Ahem...since the 70's

^^ didnt bhutto come and ruin everything in the 70s?

Thats why I said 70s.

After that, coz of Bhutto's policies did the downfall of PIA begin.

I think you guys are right.

All this started with Bhutto. He was the one who nationalize all the institution. Also with nationalization the interest of different political parties increased as they tried to put their party workers in the organization. Especially in the last decade each party tried to get their own share. And most recently the loses grew exponentially.

ISLAMABAD (February 02 2008): The caretaker cabinet threw aside PIA improvement plan, presented by its Chairman Zafar Ali Khan, saying that the management should re-consult its board to prepare a workable strategy, official sources told Business Recorder here on Friday.

The airline chief had proposed privatisation of national flag carrier, sale of precious properties owned by it for debt retirement and injection of Rs 53 billion as equity to make the airline competitive in the global market:

Zafar had proposed privatisation of national flag carrier, sale of precious properties owned by it for debt retirement and injection of Rs 53 billion as equity to make the airline competitive in the global market, justifying that there was ailing corporate culture, overburdened balance sheets, negative equity and highly oversized establishment.

Figuring out the issues confronted by the national flag carrier, Zafar outlined key initiatives and steps taken by the management which included a totally new marketing team, setting targets for the country managers, web-based complete e-ticketing, new cargo handling team and Voluntary Separation Scheme for 5,000 employees. He also suggested that the ministry of religious affairs be directed to reimburse Haj losses to the airline.

"Cabinet members expressed complete displeasure over PIA performance saying injection of financial resources will not serve the purpose. A major surgery is required," the sources quoted the members as saying.

The cabinet was of the view that the airline should look for a strategic partner and may team up with some other airline for improving its financial and technical health. According to sources, Prime Minister Muhammedmian Soomro also inquired about the dispute between Civil Aviation Authority and the airline. Zafar in his reply said that the dispute between the CAA and PIA arose in 1992 on properties and presently the matter was sub-judice.

The sources, however, said that there was another dispute between the airline and the authority involving Rs 4.3 billion, which the former says could only be settled through arbitration.

Zafar, in his presentation, a copy of which was made available to Business Recorder, suggested that the government's undue interference in PIA affairs in the past was the main reason of its declining revenue and, according to him, only solution to save the airline was to privatise the entity.

"PIA in government ownership will find it difficult to compete, its basic restructuring and privatisation must be undertaken for long-term sustainability," he argued. He also projected Rs 38.5-41.5 billion accumulated losses in 2007-08, of which Rs 11.8 billion are carryover from 2005, whereas the losses for 2006 and 2007 stood at Rs 12. 8 and Rs 13.9-16.9 billion respectively.

While giving an overview of 2007, PIA boss mentioned four key issues hitting the airline on financial and administrative side, ie, erosion of market position, high fuel price, organisational matters and over-burdened balance sheets.

"Ineffective marketing, open sky policy, increased competition, EU ban, brand damage, unable to adjust with high oil prices, failure in hedging oil prices, use of old planes, oversized establishment, leadership vacuum, ailing corporate culture, negative equity and huge debt servicing are the major reasons of PIA's bad financial health," he continued.

Giving details on actions taken in 2007, Zafar said that EU restrictions removed in quick time, 9/15 top managers were hired, eliminated several non-profitable routes, cutback on expensive foreign/overseas staff and leased aircraft, average of aircraft hangers aircraft reduced from 7 to 3.

The management also signed a contract for induction of 7 new A-320 aircraft in 2009, commenced implementation of revenue management system and started structured employees' engagement, the sources quoted the chairman as elaborating key actions taken last year.

PIA board has projected 15 percent growth in passengers, followed by overall revenue growth of 13 percent and increase in limited fixed expenses to 1.6 percent, the sources maintained. PIA has projected Rs 13.2 percent growth in revenue to 79.8 billion in 2008 against Rs 70.5 in 2007.

Operating expenses/fuel cost would increase by 6.9 percent to Rs 32.3 billion in 2008 as compared to Rs 30. 2 billion last year, whereas operating margin would decline to Rs 3.1 billion. Financial cost would increase by 15.6 percent to Rs 8.4 billion in 2008 as compared to Rs 7.3 billion in 2007 and Rs 4.8 billion in 2006 whereas there will be no other income and the chairman termed it as a 'worst case scenario'.

"threw aside PIA improvement plan"

What the hell :?

"threw aside PIA improvement plan"

What the hell :?
He probably wasn't making enough money on the deal.

KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) ended its controversial Technical Ground Services (TGS) agreement with Swissport International on Friday after it failed to comply with terms of the contract.

The Switzerland-based company was awarded the tender for taking care of cabin cleaning and related services in October 2006 at over 100 per cent the cost PIA incurred in its in-house arrangement.

Going by the year 2005 figure of schedule flights from Islamabad, Lahore and Peshawar, the annual cleaning charges as per tender submitted by Swissport was Rs43 million against PIA’s in-house cleaning cost of Rs19.4 million, documents available with The News revealed.

There was an additional expense of Rs1.1 million to Rs1.3 million on account of Hajj, Umra and extra section flights.

Besides contracted staff including engineering assistants and sanitation workers became surplus at Islamabad and Lahore. Director Commercial Audit (PIAC Circle) Karachi, Qazi Zafar Abbas, had even initiated an investigation in December 2006 and asked PIA to submit records of copies of agreement signed with Swissport and past-five year balance sheet of TGS department.

All flights including handling of foreign carriers by PIA was being done under the management supervision with Swissport. However, a month back PIA management-led by Chairman Zaffar A Khan issued a 30-day notice to Swissport to invest in the equipment as per terms of the agreement, which will be terminated otherwise.

Finally on Friday Swissport International CEO Fernand Stauffer announced termination of the contract. A PIA official said the development will help boost morale of the employees who feared that outsourcing of operations would cost them their jobs.

what can we say!

if Bhutto didn't come in 70's Pakistan would have emerged as another Asian tiger.

PIA starting weekly non-stop service from Glasgow to Lahore and Faisalabad on 2nd April 08.
Every Wed Faisalabad.
Every Sunday Lahore.

PIA is also starting non-stop service to New York. About time they let PIA non-stop to New York I mean if Canada and Britain allow it what was it's problem?

PIA is also starting non-stop service to New York. About time they let PIA non-stop to New York I mean if Canada and Britain allow it what was it's problem?

Its the US law that force Asian airlines to stop over in Europe. they are scared.

if Bhutto didn't come in 70's Pakistan would have emerged as another Asian tiger.

^^Its more like if Zia-ul-haq didn't come at all.

Updated at: 1845 PST, Thursday, February 28, 2008
KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) new Managing Director Aslam R Khan said he has set two targets for him, which are to boost morale of the employees and effective marketing policy to raise the income.

Talking to Geo News after being appointed as the new MD of PIA, Aslam Khan said an uncertain air prevails in the airline with employees more or less disheartened, adding under the present set of circumstances, no institution can make any headway.

‘PIA is in dire straits and each PIA employee is important; accordingly, the new zest and zeal of the employees can steer the national flag-carrier out of this problematic situation,’ he added.

- The News

Its the US law that force Asian airlines to stop over in Europe. they are scared.

Not true, m8. Air India flies from both Bombay and New Delhi to JFK directly (non-stop), daily. Bangalore will soon be connected to San Fransisco directly. Kingfisher Airlines will start direct (non-stop) services to the USA from the Indian cities of Bangalore, Bombay and New Delhi this year.

^^ Maybe its just for Pakistani airlines.

Its only for Pakistani airlines. US government wants more security measures by CAA Pakistan that's why PIA cant do non-stop to USA. They can do Non-stop from USA to Pakistan. But PIA is doing non-stop to Kanadaaaaa.

Updated at: 1845 PST, Thursday, February 28, 2008
KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) new Managing Director Aslam R Khan said he has set two targets for him, which are to boost morale of the employees and effective marketing policy to raise the income.

Talking to Geo News after being appointed as the new MD of PIA, Aslam Khan said an uncertain air prevails in the airline with employees more or less disheartened, adding under the present set of circumstances, no institution can make any headway.

‘PIA is in dire straits and each PIA employee is important; accordingly, the new zest and zeal of the employees can steer the national flag-carrier out of this problematic situation,’ he added.

- The News


They should fire 60% of their employees, and then give everyone thats left a 25% raise. Only keep the most productive people, and reward them for their work!

Yeah its got to do with security, I remember that you have to get down at Manchester and all your baggage and all gets security checked again :nuts:

Yeah its got to do with security, I remember that you have to get down at Manchester and all your baggage and all gets security checked again :nuts:

What is the estimate, in terms of the time the CAA will take to bring security at Pakistani airports upto speed?

What is the estimate, in terms of the time the CAA will take to bring security at Pakistani airports upto speed?

The CAA has top notch security at the airports, its just the US who has a problem (no other country).

Anyways:

Kamran Rasool appointed PIA chairman

ISLAMABAD: The caretaker government on Thursday appointed Defence Secretary Kamran Rasool as Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) chairman in place of Zafar A Khan. It is the second high profile appointment in as many days after Governor Balochistan Zulfiqar Magsi was sworn in on Thursday (yesterday). Rasool’s appointment as PIA chairman is a surprise for many in the bureaucracy as he would attain superannuation in a couple of months. “It is possible that Rasool would be asked to continue as PIA chairman after his retirement,” Defence Ministry sources said.

Rasool served as Punjab chief secretary under former chief minister Pervaiz Elahi, and is best known among his peers as “well connected” and can carve out a place of utility for himself in any setup.

He was the Cabinet Division secretary before he replaced former defence secretary Lt Gen (r) Tariq Waseem Ghazi, thus becoming the first bureaucrat to head the Defence Ministry, which, previously, was headed by retired army men for many years.

Rasool could not be reached for comments and his Personal Staff Officer Colonel Sher Khan was reluctant to talk about his appointment as PIA chairman.

- Daily Times

Another chairman? :sly:

Not true, m8. Air India flies from both Bombay and New Delhi to JFK directly (non-stop), daily. Bangalore will soon be connected to San Fransisco directly. Kingfisher Airlines will start direct (non-stop) services to the USA from the Indian cities of Bangalore, Bombay and New Delhi this year.
That's right. Basically, you have to meet a certain criteria to have flights to the US, and Pakistan doesn't meet it. There's info on it somewhere in the aviation thread. CAA needs to follow some rules and protocol.

Whats up with the chairmen? They are changing them like every few months :sly:

Tuesday, March 04, 2008
By our correspondent

KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) on Monday announced that its losses for the first half of fiscal year 2008 increased by 4.7 per cent to Rs13.3 billion from Rs12.7 billion suffered in the same period of previous year.

While net revenues for six months (July-Dec 2007) were stagnant at around Rs70.4 billion, operational cost decreased by 4.3 per cent to Rs66 billion from Rs69 billion, taking up the gross profit for the period to Rs4.2 billion from previous year’s Rs704 million.

Other expenses including administrative expenses increased by Rs1 billion to Rs11.1 billion from Rs10.1 billion, but real battering came in the shape of huge financial cost, which swelled by 51 per cent to Rs7.1 billion from Rs4.7 billion.

Current ratio worsened to 0.2 from 0.4 as current liabilities increased and current assets went down. The results have been approved by the board, chaired by outgoing Chairman Zaffar A Khan who announced his resignation last week.

Rs. 13 Bill :ohno:

What;s a huge financial cost? Interest?

PIA grounds jumbos to cut fuel bill

Sends home 80 flight engineers

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

KARACHI: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) on Monday grounded its aircraft fleet of Boeing-747 to slash a rising fuel bill as financially crippled national carrier struggles to cope with the surge in global oil prices.

In wake of the decision to stop flying six B-747 300 and two B-747 combi aircraft, the management also retrenched 80 flight engineers who were able to get a stay on the move from Sindh High Court (SHC) the same day.

Flight Engineers National Association (FENA) strongly reacted to what it said management’s overnight decision to send 80 permanent employees home in complete disregard of rules. “If PIA has permanently grounded the B 747 fleet then its pilots, co pilots, cabin crew and technicians should also have been fired,” a FENA spokesman told The News.

According to him, the decision has been taken in haste and is discriminatory in the sense that never before permanent employees have been sacked abruptly without any notice. He said: “Every time a regular employee who is not guilty of any misappropriation is removed, he is benefited with a scheme like golden handshake.”

However, a PIA spokesman said all the employees have been retrenched with full retirement benefits plus 40 months of salaries for those who are under 60 years of age. He said the fuel guzzling aircraft have been grounded because cost of fuel consumed by B 747 is $11,000 per hour whereas more advanced B-777 cost $7,000 per hour. He was not immediately able to confirm if the decision to ground the aircraft was permanent but clarified that pilots, crewmembers and technicians assigned with the B 747 fleet could be used for other aircraft.

The 433-seater B 747 300 and 240-seater B 747 200 have served PIA for Hajj and Umrah operations, the FENA spokesman said, and that has helped cut a lot of cost for the national carrier.

In 2006 the airline spent $43 million to hire aircraft on wet lease to ferry the pilgrims while it spent only $22 million in the following year when the B-747 300 fleet was used, he added. “PIA will have to bear burden of $50million if it decides to wet-lease aircraft for 2008 season,” he said adding that other large capacity B 777 could not be used as that fleet was engaged in flights to Europe.

The management of the state-owned airline has taken some vital decision including reshuffling of senior officials since the new Managing Director Aslam R Khan took office a couple of weeks back. Notwithstanding the efficacy, some PIA employees feel that these decisions should not have been taken at a time when a new government was about to take oath.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=101818

Court stops PIA from forcing flight engineers to retire

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

KARACHI: The Sindh High Court restrained on Monday the Pakistan International Airlines from taking any adverse action against flight engineers of Boeing-747 till further orders.

The interim order came in a Rs800-million lawsuit for injunction filed by Azizul Haq Suharwardy and others against PIA’s proposed forced retirement scheme for B-747 flight engineers.

Plaintiff counsel Khalid Javed contended that the proposed scheme of the defendant regarding forced retirement of flight engineers, earmarked to serve B-747, is highly arbitrary and discriminatory.

He submitted that the policy of retirement is based on mala fide, as the PIA administration propose to retire these persons and then re-employ them on contract basis just to deprive them of their service benefits. He further said PIA’s March 1 board of directors meeting had no item on the agenda regarding grounding scheme, but on instance of Deputy Managing Director of Quaid-e-Azam airport, such a proposed scheme was moved to protect the interest of some officials, including him.

The counsel said that in order to continue flight operation of eight B-747 PIA would require about eight sets of crew per aircraft and consequently 8 flight engineers per B-747 would also be required.

Plaintiffs seeking court injunction prayed for the court to direct PIA to provide full retirement benefits to affected employees, as offered by its earlier officers. The counsel also sought interim injunction restraining defendants from taking any adverse action against them.

SHC’s single bench comprising Justice Khawaja Naveed Ahmed, after hearing the preliminary arguments of counsel, observed the contentions in plaintiffs’ required consideration. Granting interim injunction the court restrained PIA authorities from taking any adverse action against plaintiffs and other flight engineers and also issued notices to PIA, Deputy Managing Director, Senior Vice President of Quaid-e-Azam International Airport (HR) and others for March 24, 2008.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=101819

I don't remember the courts from stopping PIA when it hired thrice the amount of people it should.

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has decided to increase its income through renewed marketing policy. The new policy aims to boost PIA’s income through launching new international flights, local media reported. The PIA marketing department says two new international flights from April 1 would be started from Karachi to Moscow on weekly basis. Moreover, one flight each would take place from Lahore and Faisalabad to the British city of Glasgow weekly. With the addition of these new flights, PIA would have a total of 33 international flights.

Its only for Pakistani airlines. US government wants more security measures by CAA Pakistan that's why PIA cant do non-stop to USA. They can do Non-stop from USA to Pakistan. But PIA is doing non-stop to Kanadaaaaa.

PIA has clearance for non-stop flights from New York to Pakistan now, check out the Aviation thread. Not sure what the Americans are smoking but PIA offers non-stop service to Canada and Britain, so what's up with the US?

so what's up with the US?

Do I really need to say :ohno:

I wish PIA would stop with these once a week flights - I mean, if you want to stay for any shorter period of time than an entire week, you need to take another airline. PIA must commit a minimum of two flights per week to whatever destination it flies to.

I was also thinking what purpose do once-a-week flights serve.

I was also thinking what purpose do once-a-week flights serve.

The problem is they cant fill the flights if they go for 2 or 3 per week and they don't have enough planes.

Economic progress has a profound impact on Air Travel growth. This information paper briefly assesses the current regional economic boom and its impact on aviation. It then draws parallel with the economic growth achieved by Pakistan and highlights the strategy adopted by the Civil Aviation Authority to position Pakistan into a major hub for aviation in the region.

It is now a universal fact that a strong correlation exists between the economy of a nation and its aviation industry. In several countries growth in air travel has been identified with its Gross Domestic Product. Spurred by the advances in technology the aviation sector is witnessing phenomenal growths world-wide.

AVIATION GROWTH

The economic success in Pakistan has fueled growth in the Aviation sector. There are 3 full service airlines namely Pakistan International Airlines, Airblue and Shaheen Air International providing domestic and international air services.

Pakistan has a middle class of 30 million and a growing upper class with high per capita income. Last year the total number of domestic and international travelers stood at 13.5 million. Our target is to double this figure within the next five years. Please bear in mind that although 3 local carriers are serving the market Pakistan has yet to face the onslaught of Low Cost Carriers which are knocking at its door steps.

The economic boom has also put pressure on the aviation industry. To cope with the challenges the Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority has re-structured itself into three distinct entities. These are known as The Air Navigation Services, The Regulatory Services and The Airport Services.

NEW AVIATION POLICY

Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority has also developed a new Aviation Policy aimed at fostering growth in the aviation industry and moving towards liberalization. This policy, which is presently in the final stages of approval process, will allow more access to airlines of member states thus providing the passengers choice of where they want to fly and more importantly, the flexibility on when they want to go. The new policy is geared towards serving the interest of the public and promote tourism. Pakistan has a rich heritage and culture providing great opportunities for tourism. Out of the 12 highest peaks in the world, Pakistan is home to 5 including the infamous K-2. Moenjodaro and Gandhara offer a view to one of the oldest civilizations in the world.

As you can clearly see, we are positioning ourselves to become a hub of aviation in this region. We welcome the opportunity of regional cooperation in this area.

DEVELOPMENT

To supplement the growth in the aviation industry, Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority is investing heavily in airport and related infrastructures. It is developing a new airport for the capital city, Islamabad and a new airport in the South - Gwadar. With the completion of Islamabad airport Pakistan would be in a unique position to offer the world a northern hub in Islamabad and a southern hub in Karachi. While Islamabad would serve as our hub for tourism, Karachi and Lahore would act as business hubs to the airlines.

For development of hubs, Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority has taken the initiative to develop its airports into aerotropolis or airport cities. The objective being to provide complete facilities to the users of the airport under one roof or in the same vicinity. These airport cities are currently planned at all the three major airports i.e. Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad. In the first phase, Airport Cities at Karachi and Lahore are being developed. At Karachi we have over 1000 acres of land and about 120 acres at Lahore. In the second phase, an airport city at Islamabad would be developed to complement the new airport. As in Karachi, there is over 1000 acres of land available at the New Islamabad International Airport for development of Airport City.

We have already advertised for Master Planners and Developers for the airport cities and hope to have the Master Plans ready by the end of this year. The Master Plan would include among other facilities; Hotels, Shopping Plaza’s, Hypermarkets, Convention and Leisure Centers, Cargo Complex, Logistic Centers, Industrial parks etc.

The airports would thus become a major Business District in itself competing directly with other local and regional business centers. Such venture offer excellent investment opportunities for global players. We look forward to participation by member states in our commercial ventures.

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/assembl/a36/wp/wp109_en.pdf

^^ Sorry. I realised I screwed up! This should be in the "Aviation thread". :doh:

JUST 13.5 million? That's pretty shitty.

^^ What did you expect? Most people in Pakistan travel by trains if they have to travel long distances. Flying is the least popular form of travel in Pakistan.

^^and expensive too.

PIA Head office in Blue Area - Islamabad

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PIA Head office in Blue Area - Islamabad

They should get new e-que system rather than having manual printed tokens

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Look at the roof

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The office looks decent.

yeah..its pretty good

Islamabad International Airport
Feb 22, 2008

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Islamabad International Airport
Feb 22, 2008

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Islamabad International Airport
Feb 22, 2008

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Islamabad International Airport
Feb 22, 2008

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IN flight

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Dubai International Airport
Mar 10, 2008

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Dubai International Airport
Mar 10, 2008

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Dubai International Airport
Mar 10, 2008

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PIA Head office in Blue Area - Islamabad

They should get new e-que system rather than having manual printed tokens

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Really! Or atleast in their head office.

WTH is with those big ugly pipes standing behind the counters. Hope they are not emitting anything.:nuts:

Really! Or atleast in their head office.

WTH is with those big ugly pipes standing behind the counters. Hope they are not emitting anything.:nuts:

I think these are ACs ducts

Oh that explains it. Never seen anything like that before, they are big enuff to throw a basketball into them.:lol:

PIA office outside.

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Oh that explains it. Never seen anything like that before, they are big enuff to throw a basketball into them.:lol:

PIA office outside.

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Isn't that building in Pindi?

thats the AWT plaza in rawalpindi....its not the PIA office posted by Abid which is on Fazl-e-Haq road in Blue Area.

My bad. But since the two cities are known as twins, so for local people its really the same!

But yeah that office may not be same as PIA head office posted by Abid.

My bad. But since the two cities are known as twins, so for local people its really the same!

Yeah! But we are better than those people from Pindi. ;)

Yeah! But we are better than those people from Pindi. ;)

oiye!

AWT Plaza looks awesome.

http://epaper.dawn.com/Web/Article/2008/05/25/004/25_05_2008_004_004.jpg

^^ Awesome info about PIA! :okay: Glad to see that Benazir's death resulted in something good. I.e. much more job oppourtunities for Women in PIA.

Bradford to Pak? This is new..

When will this happen.

LOL what kind of retarded a** kissing ad is that?? 'Honouring "Shaheed" BB's blah blah blah'. We all know BB did jack for women in her two corruption filled governing adventures. In fact PIA was filled to the brim with PPP jiyalas which brought it to a breaking point.

Most of the women emancipation actually took place in the last 9 years.

I'm rather sick of hearing this shit - more women in this, more women in that. Fuck that.

Anyway, I like the left part, and wish I could kill the PPP asslicking Sindhi who wrote the right part. It also means that now we'll have 1000s of PPP women in PIA who don't know jack.* The left part is good, coz for the first time there are no empty slogans like - We'll be profitable by tomorrow, Inshallah!!!!!!!!! Allah ki raza se we will be the world's best airline!!!!!!! Instead, the goal is to breakeven in 3 years. Seems like there's at least a plan. And the 3 years period shows (at least to me) that the guy is serious. Otherwise he'd not have chosen such a long period and could've just said profitable by this year's end to please anyone who would've liked to get pleased by such a message.

*It's not an anti-PPP thing. My reaction would've been the same regardless of who said it, even if it wasn't a political party. So pro-PPP guys just chill. You know I love PPP ;)

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan International Airline (PIA) managing director Wednesday held the PK-688 crew responsible for July 10, 2006 air crash in which 45 passengers were killed. The managing director, unfolding the circumstances leading to air crash before the Senate Standing Committee, Wednesday said the air crash investigation revealed that "the plane crew remained busy putting off the engine fire and did not raise the landing gear which led to the horrible crash.

^^ I heard about a few of PIA's planes crash landing. But never knew that people actually died! :eek: Where did this happen???

it was a foker plane crashed right after taking off from multan

details and pics are here (http://pakistaniat.com/2006/07/10/pictures-of-the-day-pia-plane-crash/)

^^ Thanks! :) Thats sad. :(

I think this crash made PIA ground and eventually take all the Fuckers out of service.

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan International Airline (PIA) managing director Wednesday held the PK-688 crew responsible for July 10, 2006 air crash in which 45 passengers were killed. The managing director, unfolding the circumstances leading to air crash before the Senate Standing Committee, Wednesday said the air crash investigation revealed that "the plane crew remained busy putting off the engine fire and did not raise the landing gear which led to the horrible crash.
I don't understand it. The crew INSIDE the plane was putting out engine fire?

"In August 1989, another PIA Fokker, with 54 people on board, went down in Pakistan’s Himalayan north on a domestic flight. The plane’s wreckage was never found"

This is what I found on the link above.

Wasn't the wreck eventually found some years back in, I guess, Afghanistan? I'm kind of remember it being found. Anyone knows anything?

^^Nope the wreckage was never found.

KARACHI: Pakistan Inter-national Airlines (PIA) has resumed operating its three jumbo B-747 fleets for domestic and Umra flights recently after standing 70-days idle, officials told Daily Times.

Officials told the three aircraft started providing passengers services on domestic and international routes during last couple of days subsequently after up-gradation, refurbishment and refresher course of its all crew members.

The remaining other two B747 aircraft are being repaired by the engineers and they will have to be inspected by airline regulator, Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), before rejoining the fleet. Officials added that these two aircraft will also be inspected during testing flights in this week and one of them might be ready to operate at the end of the week. These were grounded on March 19 by the previous management and it also terminated engineers who were designated to these aircraft. But, the new Managing Director has reverted this decision recently and restored all the aircraft and engineers as well. The national flag carrier is now spending on these aircraft by conducting testing flights and refresher courses for its crew members as per rules of CAA.

PIA’s six Boeing 747-367 have a capability to carry 433 passenger and two other Boeing 747-240 Combis have capacity of 264 passengers and 30 tonnes main deck cargo capacity. However, the new management has decided to utilise five of them for the current Umra and upcoming Hajj operation avoiding chartering aircraft from other foreign airlines this year. The B-747 aircraft are 12 to 15 year old aircraft and consume 27 percent more fuel as compare to new aircraft of B-777 series but, it has capacity to carry more passengers than B-777.

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WASHINGTON, July 24: During Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s forthcoming visit to Washington, the United States and Pakistan will sign an agreement to grant non-stop flight rights to PIA, sources told Dawn.

The two countries are also expected to conclude an agreement on providing US food assistance to Pakistan to help it deal with the current food crisis, the sources said.

Pakistani lobbyists are also trying to persuade US senators to at least start formal hearing on a $15 billion aid package for Pakistan during the July 28-29 visit.

The agreement for flight rights will allow PIA to operate direct, non-stop flights to and from New York. Initially, PIA will operate one flight a week from New York to Lahore, but later it may be allowed to operate non-stop flights to Karachi as well.

In October 2002, PIA purchased eight Boeing 777 long- and extended-range aircraft after a period of 10 years of no new orders.The goal was to operate nonstop flights between Pakistani and North American cities with sizeable Pakistani populations.

PIA has already started nonstop flights from Toronto, but plans for similar flights to and from US cities could not materi alise because the Department for Homeland Security refused to permit such flights.

Apparently, the Americans had no objection to direct flights from the US to Pakistan, but they refused to allow non-stop flights from Pakistan. They told Pakistani authorities that they believed Pakistan did not have adequate security arrangements at its airports to prevent terrorists from using such flights for their activities.

American officials insisted that flights originating from Pakistan must stop at an international airport for a thorough security check before proceeding to the United States.

The proposed agreement will remove this objection but before the flights begin Pakistan will have to update security arrangements at its airports.

Another agreement to be finalised during the prime minister’s visit concerns Pakistan’s request last month for 500,000 tons of wheat from the United States to help them deal with the current food crisis. While the Americans have agreed in principle to help Pakistan, it is not yet clear how much wheat they are going to give.

“It may range anywhere between 100,000 and 500,000 tons,” said a source aware of the negotiations.

I don't think they'd allow direct flights to the US without having some American agency overlooking the security arrangements here all the time.

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NAWABSHAH, July 30: The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) will establish a flying club soon in Nawabshah for training of pilots.

PIA Flight Operations Director Capt Shuja Naqvi told Dawn on Wednesday that PIA had finalised to establish PIA Flying Club (PFA) with an aim of providing state-of-the-art training facilities with ample training area in Nawabshah.

He said the land was being located for the purpose near the Nawabshah airport and the Civil Aviation Authority had also been informed about it.

He said PIA had also advertised for the posts of chief flight instructor and administrator of the club.

KARACHI: PIA Friday clarified reports appearing in various newspapers regarding start of PIA service from Hyderabad.

A PIA spokesman recalled that air service to Hyderabad was introduced in 1966 which continued until 2000.

At that time, he pointed out, Pakistan's road network was quite inadequate and improved significantly with the passage of time paving way for availability of cheap and convenient surface transport.

Resultantly, he said, the air travel decreased as passengers shifted to surface transport which resulted in a decline in PIA's revenue.

He said that even after the best sales efforts, Hyderabad could not generate sufficient air traffic for Karachi to keep the operation at sustainable level and therefore, was connected to Islamabad and Lahore in March 1989.

However, this was not a profitable route as the aircraft had to be flown almost empty for refueling at Karachi and positioned back at Hyderabad to operate to Lahore and Islamabad and this route was, therefore, discontinued in the year 2000.

According to the spokesman, Hyderabad being the second largest city in Sindh province, needs to be connected with Islamabad and Lahore.

Based on potential traffic and to fulfill the long outstanding demand of inhabitants of Hyderabad and adjoining region, twice weekly flights with ATR aircraft have been planned between Hyderabad and Islamabad and Lahore via Nawabshah where refueling is available.

http://www.regionaltimes.com/08aug2008/metro/piaawards.php

I think this crash made PIA ground and eventually take all the Fuckers out of service.
Nope. Still in there.

http://www.regionaltimes.com/08aug2008/metro/piaawards.php

Khocha Ramin Khan, you make Pakistan proud. :applause::applause::applause:

I think the report has a typo, should be UAE Dirham 1.75 million, not AED.

I think the report has a typo, should be UAE Dirham 1.75 million, not AED.

:doh:

No it doesn't! AED is the code for United Arab Emirates dirham. Just like PKR is for the Pakistani Rupee. You can think of AED as "Arab Emirates Dirham"

You're indeed right, Mr. trappy. These are 3-lettered ISO codes for currencies. USD, for example, is for the US Dollar.

PIA Head Office Islamabad hacked by PPP

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^^ Its like the plane is going to smash into BB's head.

Shameful. But that's Pakistan for you.

wht do you expect.. the govt is PPP OVERRUN... PIA is obviously gona be overrun by PPPs!

The PM has also recently allowed some 1300 or 130,000 people to become permanent in PIA, heard somewhere.

http://express.com.pk/images/NP_KHI/20081025/Sub_Images/1100507054-1.jpg

PIA will start weekly two direct flights from JHON.F.KENNEDY airport NY to ALLAMA IQBAL airport LAHORE from 26 Oct 2008http://express.com.pk/images/NP_KHI/20081025/Sub_Images/1100507058-1.gif

Didn't we already have those?

Yeah, I remember going directly to Lahore from NYC in 2000/2001, on PIA. It was a boring experience.

I think they shut that route down.. maybe because of 9/11.

Yeah it was because of security, the US wanted the flight to land somewhere else before, get the baggage and passengers checked and then proceed to US land.

So..where did they move it?

So..where did they move it?

Well the flights used to land at Manchester if you remember.

Yeah.. but PIA stopped going to NYC from Manchester too didn`t theyÉ

I believe so, not sure though.

yesterday i watched this news on some channel
PIA has decided not to provide food in NIGHt flights

I believe that was always the case? Night coach (I think that's what the call that flight - the redeye) is discounted. When I traveled it, I think I got snacks.

PIA to fly from JFK to Lahore

KARACHI: PIA will fly directly from John F Kennedy Airport to Lahore twice a week every Saturday and Wednesday for the convenience of its passengers. This will reduce their travel times by three hours. PIA has also finalised arrangements for commencing new destinations, both local and international, for the convenience of its passengers. Direct flight to Abu Dhabi from Sialkot International Airport every Sunday will commence from 26th October 2008 while direct flight for Muscat from Sialkot International Airport every Wednesday will be commencing on 29th October 2008 to facilitate the passengers and to meet the demand of business community of the region.

Source: Daily Times

I was actually on a plane flying to North America when 911 happened. They landed us in England and paid our hotel bills for 2 days and then basically said you're on your own! :laugh:

What did those people do who were in England without a visa? How'd they go somewhere else?

I have no clue, i was 11 back then, didn't know what was really happening. We didn't have a visa either and i wasn't a Canadian citizen back then either, i had immigrant status but we didn't face any problem. I think our airline (emirates) did something.

I have no clue, i was 11 back then, didn't know what was really happening. We didn't have a visa either and i wasn't a Canadian citizen back then either, i had immigrant status but we didn't face any problem. I think our airline (emirates) did something.

Your story reminds me of that Tom Hanks movie, Airport.

Waleed, that is not proper compensation.

I was playing ball in highschool, my first week there. Then some guy came and said a plane crashed into the WTC. We all told him to f*ck off and not make up such stupid lies.
He left.. we kept playing.

When 9/11 took place, I was sitting in front of the TV watching "The Siege" (with Bruce Willis) and I accidently switched channels and landed on CNN and didnt realize for a few minutes that I had switched the channels because that movie is about the 1995 WTC Bombings!!! What a coincidence right? So after 2-3 minutes, my sister comes into the room and tells me about the attacks and thats when I realized that this shit is really happening! My father was here in NJ at the time and he used to go to work in that area everyday, so naturally I started shitting my white lace panties (with a pink bow on the front) but thankfully my Father called us 5 minutes later to tell us that he is fine and he had called out that day because he had a cold!

He tried to go down there to volunteer and help the people but the police wouldnt let him and they were being racist with him too!

Seen as everyone is sharing their 9/11 story, I might aswell share mine too. :colgate:

I was playing cricket outside, when we got called in by my mum, as one of my cousins has just called, telling us to put CCN on, as some shit just happened in New York. We went in, but I was bored watching it and wanted to switch the channel or continuing playing cricket, until I saw live, the 2nd plane crashing into the 2nd tower. :eek: That got my attention.

He tried to go down there to volunteer and help the people but the police wouldnt let him and they were being racist with him too!

Same thing happened here after the 7/7. People who were helping those injured where told to "Go Back Home" and things along those lines.

The PM has also recently allowed some 1300 or 130,000 people to become permanent in PIA, heard somewhere.

:bash: These political parties specially the PPP do this all the time :bash:

First time when Benazir was elected Prime Minister in 1988, hundreds of PPP jiyalas were "inducted" into the PIA, a couple in every department, without any proper recruitment procedures, without any interviews, any vacancies or even any job description! Infact, they didnt even have any place to sit/work or anything to work on.

I heard that is when PIA started becoming unprofitable. At present, the avg. number of employees PIA has per plane or per passenger are MORE THAN TWICE the international average.

And, the PIA permanent employees have such lavish benefits unmatched anywhere else in the industry. And, they cannot be fired, even if they refuse to do any work!

It is these employees and their unions who dont even let anything get privatised. Somehow they think it is their "right" to be employed and paid by PIA/govt. regardless of whether they are needed or not or how many billions of losses by PIA are subsidised by the taxpayers.

More than 90% of Pakistanis have to earn their living through hard work in the private sector. It is the other 10% or so in the govt. and beuracracy and public sector (sarkari mulazim) who are doing a terrible job and ruining the country on top of that.

My friend in aviation told me that govt. of Pakistan doesnt even give foreign or private airlines daily or frequent slots at Pakistani airports to protect PIA from competition, leading to shitty and more expensive service for us travellers.

The govt. should not be in the business of doing business! They can barely run post offices!

:bash: These political parties specially the PPP do this all the time :bash:

First time when Benazir was elected Prime Minister in 1988, hundreds of PPP jiyalas were "inducted" into the PIA, a couple in every department, without any proper recruitment procedures, without any interviews, any vacancies or even any job description! Infact, they didnt even have any place to sit/work or anything to work on.

I heard that is when PIA started becoming unprofitable. At present, the avg. number of employees PIA has per plane or per passenger are MORE THAN TWICE the international average.

And, the PIA permanent employees have such lavish benefits unmatched anywhere else in the industry. And, they cannot be fired, even if they refuse to do any work!

It is these employees and their unions who dont even let anything get privatised. Somehow they think it is their "right" to be employed and paid by PIA/govt. regardless of whether they are needed or not or how many billions of losses by PIA are subsidised by the taxpayers.

More than 90% of Pakistanis have to earn their living through hard work in the private sector. It is the other 10% or so in the govt. and beuracracy and public sector (sarkari mulazim) who are doing a terrible job and ruining the country on top of that.

My friend in aviation told me that govt. of Pakistan doesnt even give foreign or private airlines daily or frequent slots at Pakistani airports to protect PIA from competition, leading to shitty and more expensive service for us travellers.

The govt. should not be in the business of doing business! They can barely run post offices!
What do you expect? There are Bhutto banners all over their office.

Is it true that PIA is buying 10 A380's ???

I'm sure that's not true. Where did you read it though?

It was in the news yesterday that PIA is making Rs. 3 billion loss per month since the new govt has taken over ( that is a 400% increase in the losses PIA were making before that). While companies making losses worldwide cut their expenditure and do downsizing, PIA inducted 3000-4000 people on the orders of PPP high-ups.

Can we stop talking about all this? I try not to watch the news even. I'll soon be on anti-depressants. GIVE ME SOME GOOD NEWS, BITCHES!!!

^^ well, international oil prices have come down so that should help as it was the major reason for the increase in losses.

But its still (and have been for a long time) running in a loss, so something needs to be done there.

Can we stop talking about all this? I try not to watch the news even. I'll soon be on anti-depressants. GIVE ME SOME GOOD NEWS, BITCHES!!!

Trust me mate I would love to post or hear something about Pakistan but unfortunately the climate in the world and in Pakistan is not such so struggling to find anything good to post that favours Pakistan.....

Is it true that PIA is buying 10 A380's ???

Yes. I don't know about the amount of planes they're getting, but they're getting A380s.

^^ Might be helpful during Hajj season or on ME route :dunno:

Yes. I don't know about the amount of planes they're getting, but they're getting A380s.
It was wrongly reported some time back. I'm sure PIA isn't. I'll still look into Airbus' order log tomorrow. If anyone's interested, it's on airbus.com somewhere.

Just checked. PIA hasn't ordered any. It was just a rumor started by someone.

Yes. I don't know about the amount of planes they're getting, but they're getting A380s.

I would be shocked if this was the case. PIA has, historically, only purchased/leased Boeing aircraft. In the early days the decision was techonologically driven. However, more recently the decision to contiue purchasing/leasing Boeing craft has been largely politically driven. Not least through pressure by the US government as leverage for economic assistance to Pakistan.

The aircraft industry generally, and the competition between Airbus and Boeing specifically, is highly politicised.

LIke I said, PIA isn't buying any A380's, nor is it in a position to. And AFAIK, PIA was forced to buy those 777s instead of Airbuses. Honestly, I don't know which idiot at PIA actually thought of buying the A340's. Worst. Planes. Ever. 777 on the other hand makes me drool. I always fly with the airline that's flying a 777 on that route. Love the plane.

I asked a guy whos dad is a PIA pilot, he said PIA is getting not the A380, but the A340. Dunno if that is true either.

I would be shocked if this was the case. PIA has, historically, only purchased/leased Boeing aircraft. In the early days the decision was techonologically driven. However, more recently the decision to contiue purchasing/leasing Boeing craft has been largely politically driven. Not least through pressure by the US government as leverage for economic assistance to Pakistan.

The aircraft industry generally, and the competition between Airbus and Boeing specifically, is highly politicised.

Yeah, that's exactly what the guy told me.

I asked a guy whos dad is a PIA pilot, he said PIA is getting not the A380, but the A340. Dunno if that is true either.
PIA isn't getting ANY Airbuses. I can assure you that. Also the 777 pisses all over the A340. And Pakistan would only buy Boeing coz of US pressure.

LIke I said, PIA isn't buying any A380's, nor is it in a position to. And AFAIK, PIA was forced to buy those 777s instead of Airbuses. Honestly, I don't know which idiot at PIA actually thought of buying the A340's. Worst. Planes. Ever. 777 on the other hand makes me drool. I always fly with the airline that's flying a 777 on that route. Love the plane.

While difference to companies might depend on the route the aircrafts are flying, I would prefer an Airbus over a Boeing anytime, even if i had to pay a couple of extra $ in my ticket.

To me it depends. I avoid the 737 like the plague. The other option is obviously a small Airbus - A300/310. I always end up paying more for an Airbus in that class. In fact I hate the 737 more than the A340.

KARACHI: A communication meeting of members, officials and representatives of all PIA unions and the airline’s associations was held on Friday.

According to a press release of the airline, Mohammad Aijaz Haroon, Managing Director PIA gave a detailed presentation. He informed the meeting about the past and present financial position and the proposed PIA strategic plan for the next three years.

“With expected and current fuel price at around $70 per barrel and stable exchange rate, it is anticipated that the airline would be profitable in the year 2011,” he added. He informed about the airline’s performance in 2008 with projections for the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 keeping in view the external factors affecting the airline.

He said the main reason for the airline’s loss was due to the high fuel costs and devaluation of Pakistani rupee, which were beyond the control of the airline.

With regard to PIA’s loans and lease obligations, the payments are also affected, as with a one-rupee change, there is an impact of Rs 1.4 billion, he added.

He emphasised the importance of teamwork and said PIA would be able to come out of the financial difficulties. He said the purpose of the meeting was to inform the employees of the action plan to be initiated. Ideas and suggestions from employees were also welcomed. He informed the employees of the organisation restructuring measures, besides about the short-term measures already implemented.
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\11\01\story_1-11-2008_pg5_20


nice jokes there

Everything is happening in 2011, KESC will have 1500 MW in 2011, PIA will be profitable in 2011 :lol:

Roosevelt Hotel to be sold out

ISLAMABAD: The government has finally decided to sell the famous PIA-owned Roosevelt Hotel in a bid to add some foreign exchange to the national exchequer and has asked the Privatization Commission to arrange open bidding to this end.

The commission hopes to get a minimum offer of eight hundred million US dollars as compared to two hindered million dollars the Shaukat Aziz-led government had expected for the hotel located in the busiest commercial area of Manhattan in New York.

The previous government was in haste to sell off the hotel apparently to oblige some of its blue-eyed officials but shelved its plan following the Supreme Court's ruling in the Pakistan Steel privatisation case.

In the wake of the current economic crunch, the government has decided to sell the hotel in the hope of getting handsome foreign exchange.

- The Post (http://www.thepost.com.pk/MainNewsT.aspx?fdtl_id=1306&fb_id=2&catid=14)

:ohno:

They should fire those 10,000 useless extra employees instead of selling a hotel in Manhattan!, and its only $800,000,000 (if that's true), we went from $17 Billion to $7 Billion in mere months, what's this going to do?

I just visited the PIA office in islamabad and their employees dont even smile! What kind of service can you expect from a smileless org.... and im an Awards Plus member!

KARACHI: A communication meeting of members, officials and representatives of all PIA unions and the airline’s associations was held on Friday.

According to a press release of the airline, Mohammad Aijaz Haroon, Managing Director PIA gave a detailed presentation. He informed the meeting about the past and present financial position and the proposed PIA strategic plan for the next three years.

“With expected and current fuel price at around $70 per barrel and stable exchange rate, it is anticipated that the airline would be profitable in the year 2011,” he added. He informed about the airline’s performance in 2008 with projections for the years 2009, 2010 and 2011 keeping in view the external factors affecting the airline.

He said the main reason for the airline’s loss was due to the high fuel costs and devaluation of Pakistani rupee, which were beyond the control of the airline.

With regard to PIA’s loans and lease obligations, the payments are also affected, as with a one-rupee change, there is an impact of Rs 1.4 billion, he added.

He emphasised the importance of teamwork and said PIA would be able to come out of the financial difficulties. He said the purpose of the meeting was to inform the employees of the action plan to be initiated. Ideas and suggestions from employees were also welcomed. He informed the employees of the organisation restructuring measures, besides about the short-term measures already implemented.
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\11\01\story_1-11-2008_pg5_20


nice jokes there
And we have this guy heading the airline. Yes sir, if the last few years have told us anything, it's that the price of fuel can be expected to remain at the same level for 3 YEARS, and Pakistani currency will enjoy a stable exchange rate, also for 3 YEARS. Cunt.

Roosevelt Hotel to be sold out

ISLAMABAD: The government has finally decided to sell the famous PIA-owned Roosevelt Hotel in a bid to add some foreign exchange to the national exchequer and has asked the Privatization Commission to arrange open bidding to this end.

The commission hopes to get a minimum offer of eight hundred million US dollars as compared to two hindered million dollars the Shaukat Aziz-led government had expected for the hotel located in the busiest commercial area of Manhattan in New York.

The previous government was in haste to sell off the hotel apparently to oblige some of its blue-eyed officials but shelved its plan following the Supreme Court's ruling in the Pakistan Steel privatisation case.

In the wake of the current economic crunch, the government has decided to sell the hotel in the hope of getting handsome foreign exchange.

- The Post (http://www.thepost.com.pk/MainNewsT.aspx?fdtl_id=1306&fb_id=2&catid=14)

:ohno:
Excellent news! While we're at it, let's sell all the planes too! I hated Shaukat Aziz for wanting to sell it, now it's finally been sold. Argh!

Roosevelt Hotel to be sold out

ISLAMABAD: The government has finally decided to sell the famous PIA-owned Roosevelt Hotel in a bid to add some foreign exchange to the national exchequer and has asked the Privatization Commission to arrange open bidding to this end.

The commission hopes to get a minimum offer of eight hundred million US dollars as compared to two hindered million dollars the Shaukat Aziz-led government had expected for the hotel located in the busiest commercial area of Manhattan in New York.

The previous government was in haste to sell off the hotel apparently to oblige some of its blue-eyed officials but shelved its plan following the Supreme Court's ruling in the Pakistan Steel privatisation case.

In the wake of the current economic crunch, the government has decided to sell the hotel in the hope of getting handsome foreign exchange.

- The Post (http://www.thepost.com.pk/MainNewsT.aspx?fdtl_id=1306&fb_id=2&catid=14)

:ohno:

Doesn't mention Zardari's commission. hmmm.

PIA achieves highest seat utilisation in Nov


KARACHI: PIA achieved a record seat utilisation of 78.1 percent in November 2008 on its scheduled services (excluding Hajj), the highest ever-achieved in November during last 19 years. This is comparable to industry seat utilisation of 75 percent achieved by IATA airlines in October 2008. PIA’s international scheduled seat utilisation was 78.6 percent while the domestic scheduled seat utilisation was 74.9 percent in November 2008. During November 2008, PIA achieved a 22.3 percent increase in RPKs (traffic) over November 2007 on international routes. Similarly, on domestic routes the increase in RPKs (traffic) was 8.5 percent over the same month last year. Cargo traffic recorded a growth of 12 percent during November 2008 over same month last year. Previously, during the month of October 2008 also, PIA had achieved all-time high seat utilisation for the month, 74.5 percent with a growth in traffic over same month last year of 24.8 percent. staff report

source: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?p...5-12-2008_pg5_3

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PIA landing it Leeds-Bradford Airport on Monday:
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They should fire those 10,000 useless extra employees instead of selling a hotel in Manhattan!, and its only $800,000,000 (if that's true), we went from $17 Billion to $7 Billion in mere months, what's this going to do?

$800million is a good figure for this economic downturn.

I think PIA is providing the safest flight experience ever by any other company in the world inst it?

I think PIA is providing the safest flight experience ever by any other company in the world inst it?

PIA Safest Airline in the World? Your having a laugh. ESpecially there A310-300, absoluetly crap they are.

Just heard because i know a few actually i must say rare cases of any accident happened to any international flight rather than BA they got a nice number of flight accidents thats why asked...
One more thing i heard that PIA was the first who introduce passenger entertainment system....

PIA has had a few accident. I think they also once lost a plane without a trace in late 80's or early 90's on way to Khatmandu I think. But we haven't had many recently. It's a fairly safe airline. Also, yes, PIA was the first international airline to show in in-flight movie - in 1962.

PIA has had a few accident. I think they also once lost a plane without a trace in late 80's or early 90's on way to Khatmandu I think. But we haven't had many recently. It's a fairly safe airline. Also, yes, PIA was the first international airline to show in in-flight movie - in 1962.
SO PIA is the world's most safest Air Line if we compare the accidents in the history of world Air Line Accidents.
If some one is very crazy to watch Nat Geo he ll know these things... :) :banana:

The only recent accidents were those yesteryear's Fokkers. But no large airplane has met with an accident for quite a long time :)

Watching shows like Mayday and stuff will one day prevent me from flying...

Watching shows like Mayday and stuff will one day prevent me from flying...

I have (almost) the whole set of them , and mostly I watch them before taking a flight.

PIA's Boeing 747 arriving on runway at Manchester Airport.

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Source: Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0993254)

Check the comments of the people coming from different countries.

beautiful landing picture...........:cheers:

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Love this livery of PIA ...Nice white (depicting Pak = purity) with the national Green cheatline + the awesome tale graphics depicting local heritage. Whoever designed this must have really thought well. Our Indian carriers can learn from this.

^ It sure is! Thats my fav PIA aircraft and livery.. the tail is soo stricking man! :love:

BREAKING NEWS LOL

Provincial TAILS are finished guys... PIA is returning to the flag livery. The first Airbus A310 has been repainted with the wavy flag tail livery. AP-BEB which had the blue Sindh tail has completed checks at Karachi and was repainted recently.

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lol....Boeing with BVR's

Watching shows like Mayday and stuff will one day prevent me from flying...
What a wuss. I think they should show them in planes, just for the laughs.

Also, there was this flight in the States where the nose gear got stuck so they had to do an emergency landing. So they started burning fuel by going round and round. The reporters with their cameras arrived while the plane was in the air and they started broadcasting the video, and wanted to caputre the emergency landing live. The plane had live TV, so those people were watching it unfold live in front of their eyes. You probably would've started crying had you been there. "I can't see myself dieeeeeeee".

What a wuss. I think they should show them in planes, just for the laughs.

Also, there was this flight in the States where the nose gear got stuck so they had to do an emergency landing. So they started burning fuel by going round and round. The reporters with their cameras arrived while the plane was in the air and they started broadcasting the video, and wanted to caputre the emergency landing live. The plane had live TV, so those people were watching it unfold live in front of their eyes. You probably would've started crying had you been there. "I can't see myself dieeeeeeee".

:rofl:

Im not that big of a wuss dude. Im guessing you haven't watched that show. Its not that im afraid of flying, i actually enjoy it. Last show i watched a couple of days ago was that a small light, about a centimeter long in the cockpit and it burnt out. There were four people in there, all trying to fix/replace it.

They didn't notice that the plane descended 2 thousand feet and when they did they were about 5 feet from the ground.

But i heard flying is still the safest form of transportation.

Check the comments of the people coming from different countries.

WOW! Those guys really admire Pakistani pilots.

:rofl:

Im not that big of a wuss dude. Im guessing you haven't watched that show. Its not that im afraid of flying, i actually enjoy it. Last show i watched a couple of days ago was that a small light, about a centimeter long in the cockpit and it burnt out. There were four people in there, all trying to fix/replace it.

They didn't notice that the plane descended 2 thousand feet and when they did they were about 5 feet from the ground.

But i heard flying is still the safest form of transportation.

It is nearly "impossible" not to notice that you are 6 feet above the ground. The cockpit starts shouting "too low terrain" and the "stick shaker " activates itself.

The pilots of Eastern Air Lines Flight 401, were plain deaf and dumb. And the L1011 makers stupid to have so low voice for a low terrain alarm.

Btw, any aviation/aerodynamics hobbyist here? I am referring to people to care to read about aerodynamic behavior of planes (military/civilian).

:rofl:

Im not that big of a wuss dude. Im guessing you haven't watched that show. Its not that im afraid of flying, i actually enjoy it. Last show i watched a couple of days ago was that a small light, about a centimeter long in the cockpit and it burnt out. There were four people in there, all trying to fix/replace it.

They didn't notice that the plane descended 2 thousand feet and when they did they were about 5 feet from the ground.

But i heard flying is still the safest form of transportation.
You're talking to someone who wishes everytime he gets on the plane that it either gets hijacked or has a crash landing*. Sorry, wrong person.

*I must survive in both scenarios without any bodily damage.

It is nearly "impossible" not to notice that you are 6 feet above the ground. The cockpit starts shouting "too low terrain" and the "stick shaker " activates itself.

The pilots of Eastern Air Lines Flight 401, were plain deaf and dumb. And the L1011 makers stupid to have so low voice for a low terrain alarm.
Stick shaker activates when you're about to stall on autopilot. It's there to wake up the pilots. Not sure if it also shakes when you're too close to ground.

Provincial TAILS are finished guys... PIA is returning to the flag livery. The first Airbus A310 has been repainted with the wavy flag tail livery. AP-BEB which had the blue Sindh tail has completed checks at Karachi and was repainted recently.

Why did they do that? The provincial livery looked great! :mad2:

Btw, any aviation/aerodynamics hobbyist here? I am referring to people to care to read about aerodynamic behavior of planes (military/civilian).
I know a bit, why?

I think PIA is providing the safest flight experience ever by any other company in the world inst it?

The safest airline in the world is Qantas. Only ever had 1 crash landing, and they repaired that plane at great cost just to be able to say they've never lost a plane in an accident.

You're talking to someone who wishes everytime he gets on the plane that it either gets hijacked or has a crash landing*. Sorry, wrong person.

*I must survive in both scenarios without any bodily damage.
Now, what are the chances of that happening.

Stick shaker activates when you're about to stall on autopilot. It's there to wake up the pilots. Not sure if it also shakes when you're too close to ground.

Yes you are right. My bad! I mixed up with a different scenario.

I know a bit, why?

I've been interested in that of late so I was wondering if there are others here too. We could open a thread in the gupshup.

For example, can you shed some light on the type of wing mounting and its effect on the choice of dihedral angles as well as its effect on optimization for different flight regimes?

Yes you are right. My bad! I mixed up with a different scenario.



I've been interested in that of late so I was wondering if there are others here too. We could open a thread in the gupshup.

For example, can you shed some light on the type of wing mounting and its effect on the choice of dihedral angles as well as its effect on optimization for different flight regimes?
Holy crap, no! I can however tell you that a plane has two wings! Seriously, no, my knowledge is pretty limited. I just play with NASA wing simulator app and know the basics of how wings work, and how planes maneuver. Things like pitch, yaw, etc. And control like stabilizers, ailerons, etc. That's where my knowledge ends. Maybe a few things more. Am just trying to develop an airfoil of my own. I one day hope to fly a homegrown plane. I asked brighty about the airfield to test it on, but I'm still awaiting a reply.

For example, can you shed some light on the type of wing mounting and its effect on the choice of dihedral angles as well as its effect on optimization for different flight regimes?

:lol:

^ It sure is! Thats my fav PIA aircraft and livery.. the tail is soo stricking man! :love:

BREAKING NEWS LOL

Provincial TAILS are finished guys... PIA is returning to the flag livery. The first Airbus A310 has been repainted with the wavy flag tail livery. AP-BEB which had the blue Sindh tail has completed checks at Karachi and was repainted recently.


Whoa, i had just complemeted the livery, like last week and its all end of story now :cry: ..The new one looks too unfinished (original aircraft paint) and probably its cost-cutting time for the poor tail:ohno:

huh?

Anyone know when PIA will fly back to Sri Lanka?


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Whoa, i had just complemeted the livery, like last week and its all end of story now :cry: ..The new one looks too unfinished (original aircraft paint) and probably its cost-cutting time for the poor tail:ohno:

Yes it is! The stickers applied are produced outside Pak and cost alot to maintain. So PIA decided to do the job inhouse and paint the wavy flag tail instead. Though, I have to admit if you get the chance check out the livery at nite! It makes the plan look amazing. The light illuminating the flag on the tail looks amazing! :)

Anyone know when PIA will fly back to Sri Lanka?


www.airsrilanka.org
http://www.airsrilanka.org/images/airsrilanka.bmp


Hard to say really mate? PIA did quite well out of Colombo.

Sri Lankan Airlines still services KHI.. atm! Maybe they can expand their operations to LHE too.. alot of holiday makers there that used to travel to Sri Lanka

I think PIA and Air Lanka at some point had a codeshare agreement. Anyone knows for sure?

Hard to say really mate? PIA did quite well out of Colombo. Sri Lankan Airlines still services KHI.. atm! Maybe they can expand their operations to LHE too.. alot of holiday makers there that used to travel to Sri Lanka

I am glad to hear there are passengers in Lahore to fly to Sri Lanka. In fact, Sri Lankan Airlines had a plan of flying to Lahore via New Delhi. I am not that sure, they still hold the plan of flying to Lahore. Anyways, I will inform this to the Sri Lankan Airlines Marketing Department. Lets see... Thanks.

www.airsrilanka.org
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I am glad to hear there are passengers in Lahore to fly to Sri Lanka. In fact, Sri Lankan Airlines had a plan of flying to Lahore via New Delhi. I am not that sure, they still hold the plan of flying to Lahore. Anyways, I will inform this to the Sri Lankan Airlines Marketing Department. Lets see... Thanks.

www.airsrilanka.org
http://www.airsrilanka.org/images/airsrilanka.bmp

Indeed. Thing is times have changed and the poltical climate in both countries is not very good so odds are flights are less likely or not as lucrative as they used to be. Maybe some test flights or growth of the Sri Lankan population on where they travel to could give some indication on where lankans are travelling atm.

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PIA to restart its flights to Frankfurt (in 14th June) and Stansted (in 17th June)

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i heard and read on wikipedia and other forums that KLM and lufthansa are comming to karachi?
is that true?

i heard and read on wikipedia and other forums that KLM and lufthansa are comming to karachi?
is that true?

Not sure about LUFTHANSA but KLM is operating with its code share flights in association with I think EMIRATES or EITTEHAD

For those who are interested, I have posted a video of my recent flight from Pakistan (PIA 775 ISB-LBA) and here's the the view from the PIA A310-300 as we taxied towards the runway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0tHnKsFx98

I have also posted the PIA landing video at LBA Bradford which can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0tHnKsFx98

By the way if you hear someone speaking on the videos, it wasn't me, rather the person sat next to me.

An ATR plane of the PIA, which had made a crash-landing at Allama Iqbal International Airport in May last, could not be operational even after the span of over three months, causing a loss of millions of rupees to the national exchequer, it was learnt on Saturday.
Sources in the CAA told The Nation that the plane was expected to take maximum 2 months for maintenance work but due to delay in clearance of spare parts by the customs authorities the maintenance work could not be completed.
Sources in said that presently the plane was parked at the hanger reserved for the Punjab Governor’s aircraft to avoid payment of heavy parking fee in case of its parking at other areas controlled by the CAA.
At the time of accident, there was perception among the aviation experts and PIA engineering circles that the airlines would have to spend amount on its maintenance equal to price of a new plane.
It was a brand new plane and replaced a Foker one a couple of years back after an air crash in Multan.
The ill-fated plane consisted of less than 50 seats and was used for domestic operations on shorter routes. Sources said the plane is on the final stage of its repair and it would take its test flight within ten days.
They disclosed that 6-member French experts team from Airbus company immediately arrived after the crash-landing for the assessment, who decided that repair to be accomplished by Airbus engineers. They sent spare parts of the plane to France for inspection, repair and replacement. But at their return, the Customs authorities took a lot of time at AIIAP for clearance.
An engineer said that French engineers along with two PIA’s engineers have almost completed their task, sources disclosed. When contacted, the PIA spokesman confirmed that the ATR plane had been under-operation in the past but they denied the existence of such plane at Lahore Airport at present.

PIA Managing Director Capt Mohammad Aijaz on Wednesday announced a 15 per cent raise in the pension of PIA retired employees effective from December 1, 2009.

He made the announcement at a get-together of PIA Senior Staff Association and Peoples Unity (CBA).

Speaking at the gathering, the PIA MD said with commitment and dedication of all employees, PIA can achieve profitability which will be beneficial for all employees, stakeholders and passengers.

“All employees have to work wholeheartedly for the airline,” he said.

Referring to recent increase in the salaries of PIA employees he assured that if the airline is profitable, they would be given further increase in salaries, even before a demand is made for it by Employees Associations.

But, he said, it depends on the performance of the airline for which all employees have to work hard for the betterment of the airline. He stated that PIA employees would be given 12 per cent shares owned by the government and made partners in the airline soon.

The government wants to give due share to employees and this is a step forward. He said that once the employees know the details of the scheme, they will appreciate it.

He denied rumours saying that no one would be terminated from service. However, those employees who do not work or are working against the airline will not be spared.

Not sure about LUFTHANSA but KLM is operating with its code share flights in association with I think EMIRATES or EITTEHAD

its Emirates.

A lot of airlines codeshare to Pakistan.

I hope PIA wil join One world
because its hell to come to karachi.
from amsterdam where i love its hard to come via dubai
i really miss the time when KLM came direct to karachi
and all the other big airlines hope they will come again as the old times:)

There is no chance that PIA will join One World. They have standards that PIA does not meet. The only thing PIA has accomplished is setting standards in how not to make a profit. No, PIA is too big a mess for One World.
I don't think any of the major European carriers have any interest in flying to Pakistan, or at least not while the current state of affairs continues (I mean the security situation). Besides the Gulf carriers are going put PIA out of business one day, I personally think the sooner, the better.

that sucks:(
but i read on historyofpia that cathay pacific has proposed PIA to join but they need to discuss it with other airlines in One world.
but im sure pia is much better then egypt air which is in star alliance
and other airlines in one world

A lot of airlines codeshare to Pakistan.

PIA have code share agreements with the following carriers at August 2009:

Aerosvit Airlines
Kiev, Dubai (VV)
Karachi, Dubai (PK)

China Southern Airlines
Urumqi, Islamabad (CZ)
Islamabad, Beijing (PK)

Thai Airways International
Bangkok, Islamabad / Karachi / Lahore (TG)
Islamabad, Bangkok (PK)

Turkish Airlines
Istanbul, Karachi (TK)
Islamabad, Istanbul (PK)

that sucks:(
but i read on historyofpia that cathay pacific has proposed PIA to join but they need to discuss it with other airlines in One world.
but im sure pia is much better then egypt air which is in star alliance
and other airlines in one world

Egypt Air is a good airline or atleast it was when I traveled it.

yea but im sure PIA is much better with more destination :P

http://express.com.pk/images/NP_KHI/20091027/Sub_Images/1100750797-1.gif

^^Today MD PIA was saying that all the hurdles are now removed for making PIA a world class airline.......I wonder what the hurdles were????....:?

pia's got a renewed safety certificate now they can fly to any place mashallah:)

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has reported a loss after tax of Rs 10.771 billion for nine months ending September 30, 2009.

According to financial results of the national flag carrier dispatched to Karachi Stock Exchange here Thursday, pre-tax losses fell to Rs11.403 billion compared to Rs 38.436 billion in the same period last year.

Loss per share also dropped to Rs 5.03 compared to Rs 18.41 in the corresponding period last year.

^^thats great news. btw..does PIA connect to India?

^^thats great news. btw..does PIA connect to India?

yup........to Delhi & Mumbai

PIA fly to Delhi from Lahore & to Delhi & Mumbai from Karachi.......

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When PIA fly to some city via some city i.e. Islamabad-Paris via Milan, do they reduce their price or not?

PIA is operating twice-weekly flights between Gilgit and Skardu every Monday and Thursday. The flight between Gilgit and Skardu meets the long-standing demand of the residents of this region.

More destinations would be added while increasing the frequency of flights in future keeping in view the demand, preferences of passengers and economic viability of flights. People of the area may now benefit from the new flight schedule as Islamabad has been linked to Gilgit and Skardu.

PIA now operates twice-weekly flights for the sector Islamabad–Gilgit–Skardu– Islamabad every Monday and Islamabad–Skardu–Gilgit–Islamabad on Thursday. PIA is operating ATR aircraft on the said sector.

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lol this video me and my friend made it:P

The National Assembly was informed on Saturday that the national flag carrier suffered Rs76.54 billion loss till June and the management had buttressed efforts to improve the situation.

“PIA suffered Rs76.54 billion accumulated losses till June 30, 2009 due to depreciation in Pakistani rupee value, high fuel prices, debt servicing on fleet loans and increase in financial cost of domestic loans,” Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar told the house during the Question Hour.

Answering a question from MNA Birjees Tahir, he said PIA had taken many steps to improve conditions including fleet modernisation, marketing initiatives and route rationalisation.

“PIA is upgrading its engineering department enabling it to overhaul Boeing aircraft. Some Boeing aircraft parts are also being manufactured,” he said.

Replying to a supplementary question, the minister said the Civil Aviation

Authority (CAA) had no authority to change the name of Peshawar airport or other airports. However, there were plans for upgradation and expansion of the airport. “A concept plan has been developed and CAA is making efforts to acquire land for expansion.”

Mukhtar said no new aircraft was purchased during 2008-09. Only one new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft was inducted in its fleet as part of the project of 08 B-777 family aircraft.

The minister said no PIA land at any location had been under encroachment. However, about 24 kanals land of the CCA along Benazir Bhutto International Airport, Islamabad and 80 acres in Deh Safooran district Malir, Karachi had been encroached. “The CAA is taking steps to remove the encroachers and notices have been served on them,” he added.

In response to another question, parliamentary secretary for communication Saeed Iqbal informed the house that the ministry would repair electronic toll collection system on motorways on modern lines to facilitate motorists and streamline revenue collection system. “The project would cost Rs1.2bn and international tenders will be opened on Nov 19,” he said.

High fuel prices. PIA's still buying fuel at $147 it seems.

The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) overcharged pilgrims during haj season 2008, the Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP) said on Friday. The commission also ordered the national carrier to refund the extra amount charged to the pilgrims within two months. The bench, consisting of Maleeha Mimi Bangash and Dr Joseph Wilson, also imposed a token penalty of Rs 10 million on PIA. The bench, in its decision, ordered the national carrier to make refunds to its passengers, within two month from the date of the order. The commission had found that PIA had unreasonably increased haj fares from Rs 38,500 to Rs 70,000 for South Region and from Rs 46,200 to Rs 85,000 for North Region.

The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) overcharged pilgrims during haj season 2008, the Competition Commission of Pakistan (CCP) said on Friday. The commission also ordered the national carrier to refund the extra amount charged to the pilgrims within two months. The bench, consisting of Maleeha Mimi Bangash and Dr Joseph Wilson, also imposed a token penalty of Rs 10 million on PIA. The bench, in its decision, ordered the national carrier to make refunds to its passengers, within two month from the date of the order. The commission had found that PIA had unreasonably increased haj fares from Rs 38,500 to Rs 70,000 for South Region and from Rs 46,200 to Rs 85,000 for North Region.
Saw this on the news yesterday. Almost seems unbelievable that such a thing can happen in Pakistan. Maliha-Winson 2012!

Yeah, quite hard to believe!

Debt on PIA is Rs. 150 billion.........

&

PIA is seeking Rs. 160 billion from Govt. for the purchase of new aeroplanes.........:bash:

^^
What's wrong with that?

^^
What's wrong with that?

If Govt. gives them Rs. 160 billion as a debt, then these Rs. 160 billion will go to the National debt account, from where Govt. will recieve the amount from us through taxes..........:bash:

Also, Govt. is not privitizing PIA.........:ohno:

Managing Director (MD) of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), Captain Aijaz Haroon has said this year PIA was going to have an operational profit after a lapse of four years.

The Managing Director said this while talking to media after an agreement-signing ceremony between the PIA and PC Dubai for Dubai Shopping Festival-2010 here on Saturday.

He said PIA management was moving into the right direction and as per unaudited results, PIA will be earning an operational profit after four years. He said the PIA had accumulated losses which were borne because of rupee devaluation and other factors. Captain Aijaz said visible changes will start appearing in the PIA with the launch of this package and more packages in the days to come.

To a question, he said plans were there to add more aircrafts to the PIA fleet but priority will be given to replace the 737s initially and upgrade the A-310s to increase their life-span for their further utilization.

He said we had told the government that we wanted nothing but the burden of accumulated losses on us should be taken away from us. He said the airline had improved its performance with all vendors and banks, issues remained.

He said the PIA will need pre-delivery payments while acquiring new aircrafts. Replying to a question the PIA MD said Hajj operation this year remained very successful as there were no complaints. He said problems were faced only on the Saudi Arabian side while operational delays occurred due to prolonged immigration formalities in which we are helpless. He said no one can be blamed for this as there is always a great rush for returning Hujjaj which cause traffic congestion.

^^Those who don't know what is operating profit??

Operating profit is profit before interest & tax........


PIA Zindabad........:banana:

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Why is the mom wearing a skirt?

^^ The same reason her son is wearing a bermuda. Also she is in Dubai and not in Pakistan. Or do you mean to say Paki women are not "allowed" by Sharia law to wear them?

^^yup, Islam doesnot give permission to women to wear skirt........

^^ Islam also does not give permission to look at other man's wife's bare legs. Are you a good Muslim then?

dupatta tak nahi

^^ Islam also does not give permission to look at other man's wife's bare legs. Are you a good Muslim then?

We have to admit this that we donot follow Islam fully........thats it


Anyhow, lets not start this discussion here......:)

^^We dont follow Islam fully..but ye skirt ka mamla bht zayeda barh k hai

^^ The same reason her son is wearing a bermuda. Also she is in Dubai and not in Pakistan. Or do you mean to say Paki women are not "allowed" by Sharia law to wear them?

Pakistan is not a Sharia state. The few religious laws in the books are being criticized and the government is under pressure to amend them (eventually they'll be discarded entirely), and even those are never enforced.

The only religious laws I can think of deal with blasphemy, marriage and inheritance. And India also has those.

Ohw man just let her wear what she wants dont interfrere..you know who looks at a girl like that ''oo she is wearing a skirt'' is gunna so stop looking and they will stop wearing this
i went to karachi in decemeber and i was shocked that everybody was wearing burkha i mean a few years ago everyone was wearing shalwar kamiz that's also normal and looks better then a burkha

^^ my parents tell me that karachi was almost as modern as the west in the 70s.. i didn't believe until i saw my dad's pic wid girls wearing bell bottom jeans n skirts (fairly long) not just in one foto but many of em..

Ohw man just let her wear what she wants dont interfrere..you know who looks at a girl like that ''oo she is wearing a skirt'' is gunna so stop looking and they will stop wearing this
i went to karachi in decemeber and i was shocked that everybody was wearing burkha i mean a few years ago everyone was wearing shalwar kamiz that's also normal and looks better then a burkha
More women may be wearing a burka, but you now see capris being commonplace. Just 5 years ago people would've died of shock to see half-bare calves. Now even your masi wears them.

Back to topic plz..............:smile:

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can you translate pls,
i cant read urdu

^^ now fly from Sialkot to sharjah, twice a week
starting from 18th of Feb.

Pakistan International Airlines, the national flag carrier, has projected operating loss of over Rs10 billion for the third consecutive year in 2010 with increase in operating expenses under heads of advertising, maintenance and rent.

PIA sees a cash shortfall of Rs22.91 billion this year against Rs15.06 billion last year with loan repayment of Rs16.72 billion against last year’s Rs18.03 billion, official documents of PIA show.

Like last year, the government will finance the cash shortfall through additional equity, balance financing of 2009 and additional funds.

Total revenues are estimated at Rs114.48 billion in 2010 against Rs95.36 billion last year, a growth of 20 per cent with major decline in revenue under mail and Hajj heads and significant growth in Speedex and passengers, reveals the airline’s Corporate Budget 2010 available with The News.

According to break-up of operating revenues, the document says, the PIA will earn Rs92.52 billion from passengers, Rs10.15 billion from Hajj operation, Rs5.48 billion from freight, Rs1 billion from excess baggage, Rs100 million from mail, Rs250 million from Speedex and Rs5.23 billion from others.

On the side of operating expenses, advertisement, promotion and public relation will consume Rs688 million, up 132 per cent over previous year, fuel and oil Rs43.44 billion, rent Rs1.66 billion and maintenance Rs8.24 billion.

Expenses other than fuel will be Rs56.10 billion on employees pay, allowance and benefits, aeronautical handling, maintenance, crew layover and training, passenger supplies and meals, sponsorship fee, rent, insurance, GDS, communication, office rent and utilities, MT services, hiring of legal and professional services, passenger services and other operational and general expenses.

Spending on hiring of legal and professional services will fall 6 per cent to Rs610 million while depreciation expenses will drop 14 per cent.

To overcome financial and cash shortfall and improve performance of the airline, the PIA has planned a number of improvement initiatives for strategic business units which include reduction in operation, product and economic cost and continuity of last year’s initiatives.

The air carrier’s operation improvement initiatives include successful labour negotiations, recognised engineering, cross-functional team, central control unit, smart route planning and One PIA, reveals the business strategy of the PIA.

For product improvement, the strategy proposes roll-out of new Business Class service and improvement in Business Class configuration. It also calls for aircraft deep cleaning programme and cabin upgrade.

The PIA has planned its 2010 budget based on 10 per cent cost reduction across the board excluding fuel and payroll related expenses and strategic alignments with parts’ providers for volume discounts.

Besides operational, product and cost reduction initiatives, the strategy also sticks to the earlier introduced improvement initiatives of 2009 with 100 per cent growth in maintenance, repair and overhaul at $15 million (Rs1.23 billion).

The PIA in its Vision 2020 will target capital investment of $75 million under heads of gear and engine overhaul shops, maintenance of bases, ATEC shop, ERP solution, GE 90 test facility and new wide-body maintenance hanger at Islamabad.

688 million on advertising, promo, etc. Yes fucking right. Easily around 500 million must've gone to someone's pockets. Even 20 crores seems a lot. Their ad spend (incl. PR, promos, etc.) is no more than 10 crores at MOST. And then people wonder why PIA's in the red.

They should make the dress of the air hostess a lot better because their colour of dress is really dull colour and it should be made better.......

They should make the dress of the air hostess a lot better because their colour of dress is really dull colour and it should be made better.......

Air Hostesses should be change as well.........:yes:

God don't even get me started on the air hostesses, if you think they look horrendous, I saw one without makeup once. I don't even remember what happened .. I blacked out and woke up on the sidewalk.

Air Hostesses should be change as well.........:yes:

no because when i went to the airport last week the air hostesses were looking fit and they only need a good dress...........

God don't even get me started on the air hostesses, if you think they look horrendous, I saw one without makeup once. I don't even remember what happened .. I blacked out and woke up on the sidewalk.

:rofl:

The government will complete restructuring of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) including changes in its management and reforming the board by the end of March.

The government has been in the process of restructuring the PIA, Oil and Gas Development Company, Pakistan Petroleum Ltd, Sui Northern Gas Pipelines, Sui Southern Gas Company, postal services, Faisalabad Electric Supply Company (FESCO), Hyderabad Electric Supply Company (HESCO) and Peshawar Electric Supply Company (PESCO). Advisers would be appointed by June for pushing ahead with these transactions.

Federal Privatization Minister Waqar Ahmed Khan stated this in separate meetings with the Netherlands’ envoy to Pakistan Joost Reintjes and Belgian Ambassador Kint Hans-Christian here on Tuesday.

“We will privatize public-sector enterprises according to market demand in a fair, open and transparent manner and provide a level playing field for domestic and foreign investors,” he said.

After successful operations in troubled areas, he said, the law and order situation had improved and world’s major investment banks were keen to participate in the process being undertaken for state-owned enterprises (SOEs) to assess the true potential of their assets and to offer them to potential investors.

The minister said Pakistan needed access to the markets of their respective countries and needed their technical, management, operational and socio-economic expertise to make the SOEs efficient and productive.

Ambassador Joost Reintjes said Pakistan was a large growing market and major market players in Netherlands ie Shell, Unilever and Phillips were successfully operating in Pakistan. Netherlands attached great importance to Pakistan’s economic development and efforts would be made to provide opportunities to Pakistan to reach out to the top leaders of Dutch companies for making fresh investments.

The Ambassador Kint Hans-Chiristian expressed his full support for interaction with the Belgian companies and extended invitation to the Minister to visit Belgium for meeting with the major business groups and to participate in the Business Forum being held in Brussels in October 2010.

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Another absolutely atrocious piece of work from PIA’s Marketing department.

Why is the mom wearing a skirt?

It's a free world mate, people can where what they like.

God don't even get me started on the air hostesses, if you think they look horrendous, I saw one without makeup once. I don't even remember what happened .. I blacked out and woke up on the sidewalk.

LMFAO! :rofl:

OK, mate.

Why is the mom wearing a skirt?

I'd take that any day over the ridiculous long curtain skirts that most girls wear nowadays (in Pakistan).

Pakistan International Airlines from 28APR10 is starting 2 weekly Lahore – Dhaka – Guangzhou service. This would be the airlines’ return to Guangzhou after suspending the service for over three decades.

Pakistan Int'l -does it worth a separate thread

^^ yes there are many aviation enthusiast fans here. We would love to read more news on progress abt PIA and other airlines serving Pakistan.

^^^ HA!!! Progress and PIA? Those two words don't belong in the same sentence.
The only thing that progresses in PIA is their operating loss every year!!!
PIA embodies everything that is wrong with Pakistan, and every thing that needs to change (and will change).

^^^ HA!!! Progress and PIA? Those two words don't belong in the same sentence.
The only thing that progresses in PIA is their operating loss every year!!!
PIA embodies everything that is wrong with Pakistan, and every thing that needs to change (and will change).

Because of corruption & bad management, PIA is suffering loss.....Otherwise, aviation sector is a very profitable.......

Because of corruption & bad management, PIA is suffering loss.....Otherwise, aviation sector is a very profitable.......

I agree. Airblue is a perfect example of how profitable the Aviation sector is and the potential it offers. The only solution to PIA's worries is for it to be privatised and there are plenty of buyers out there, only if there was political will.

I agree. Airblue is a perfect example of how profitable the Aviation sector is and the potential it offers. The only solution to PIA's worries is for it to be privatised and there are plenty of buyers out there, only if there was political will.

Absolutely......

I agree. Airblue is a perfect example of how profitable the Aviation sector is and the potential it offers. The only solution to PIA's worries is for it to be privatised and there are plenty of buyers out there, only if there was political will.
The only thing airblue shows is that some people are willing to fly shitty planes with an even shittier service. Having said that, if not for all the worthless Sindhis in PIA, it can become profitable today. Their fucking head office has 100 ft banners of PPP plastered all over. Heck, even their office in the airport has shit like that.

The only thing airblue shows is that some people are willing to fly shitty planes with an even shittier service. Having said that, if not for all the worthless Sindhis in PIA, it can become profitable today. Their fucking head office has 100 ft banners of PPP plastered all over. Heck, even their office in the airport has shit like that.

Not Sindhi! Chinese! :sly:


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