PERTH - Perth Stadium (60,000)

[Citystyle]

The City Of Cockburn (co burn) has put forward its proposal for the new West Australian Stadium. They came out with all the guns; it has the ability to re-configure the stadium seating for AFL/ Cricket and Soccer and Rugby and will have a capacity of 70,000 seats making it Australia’s third largest Stadium.

The state government has put forward 500million dollars for a new 55,000 Seat stadium in WA. The task force set up has wanted it, near the CBD but land is hard to find and the PCC council is yet to put forward a opposing stadium, and Subiaco CC a (suburb near the city) were our current largest stadium (42,000) has limited room to expand, strict controls on times that events can be held and it yet to put forward a opposing plan.

http://www.stadiumwa.com

Unless there is a opposing stadium in the city. With 70,000 seats I want this to be built.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=305092&page=5&pp=20

[bubomb]

Cockburn might end up with some erection problems regarding this new stadium!!

[BobDaBuilder]

You would have to say a decent football stadium(as opposed to a soccer stadium) is long overdue in Perth. Considering they get 35,000 on average every weekend for 22 weeks of the year. Old Subiaco is more like a showground in comparison to modern grounds.

[CharlieP]

I'm yet to be convinced that anybody can come up with a stadium to do a decent job of hosting cricket/Aussie Rules as well as the codes of football that use a rectangular pitch. Telstra Dome was supposed to do this, but as far as I know the lower tier has never been moved, and Telstra Stadium is apparently far from optimal...

[Mephisto]

Telstra stadium works pretty well for all codes, but isn't optimal for any of them.
It's definately the best all-purpose stadium in Australia though, possibly the world.

[BobDaBuilder]

^^^^^^^^^

It is all down to the engineers and architects. If they ever bothered to move in the stadium concourse at Docklands in Melbourne it would be superb for your rectangular sports as well as football and cricket. I was looking at the movable stands on Saturday and you would be no further from the action for soccer or rugby than at the new Wembley. Unfortunately it costs $60,000 just to move those 4 pieces. Where the 60,000 comes in I have no idea. The pieces are relatively light and if you get enough people jumping up and down can feel like a see-saw.

[kingdomca]

I'm yet to be convinced that anybody can come up with a stadium to do a decent job of hosting cricket/Aussie Rules as well as the codes of football that use a rectangular pitch. Telstra Dome was supposed to do this, but as far as I know the lower tier has never been moved, and Telstra Stadium is apparently far from optimal...

Its not possible to do properly with football and athletics but just for football and cricket, it could actually be interesting.

I think may just about be possible with new stadiums where UEFA demand increased gaps between pitch and stands anyway
Also if its only to be used for big cricket games you dont need dozens of pitch positions, just put one portable pitch right in the middle with no ropes but boundaries being the stands on all sides.

Wembley cant be far from being able to stage cricket depending on what exactly the minimum cricket boundaries are?

Given that Wembleys roof can be moved back allowing light into the place, it might actually be an excellent cricket ground!

[MoreOrLess]

Its not possible to do properly with football and athletics but just for football and cricket, it could actually be interesting.

I think may just about be possible with new stadiums where UEFA demand increased gaps between pitch and stands anyway
Also if its only to be used for big cricket games you dont need dozens of pitch positions, just put one portable pitch right in the middle with no ropes but boundaries being the stands on all sides.

Wembley cant be far from being able to stage cricket depending on what exactly the minimum cricket boundaries are?

Given that Wembleys roof can be moved back allowing light into the place, it might actually be an excellent cricket ground!

Indeed, the best comparason is between the the Telstra stadium and the Stade De France....

http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/14/stadiumst_rugbyheaven__350x204.jpg

http://www.ambafrance-co.org/IMG/jpg/Stade_de_France_grand.jpg

The gap between the pitch and the stands at the sides of the Telstra in soccer/rugby mode is perfectly ok if you ask me, its only behind the goals you have much distance between the two and even then that is I'd guess a biproduct of its former athletics use. I know cricket doesnt require a rounded playing surface, what about ozzie rules?

[CharlieP]

I heard that Aussie Rules fans aren't very impressed with the width of the Telstra Stadium pitch, calling it "cigar-shaped". The end stands aren't where they are because of the athletics (they were rebuilt after the Olympics) but to leave enough space for AFL games...

[MoreOrLess]

I heard that Aussie Rules fans aren't very impressed with the width of the Telstra Stadium pitch, calling it "cigar-shaped". The end stands aren't where they are because of the athletics (they were rebuilt after the Olympics) but to leave enough space for AFL games...

Where the entire ends rebuilt or just the upper sections removed and the pitch lowered? Either way I'd say that Telstra is one of the better multiuse stadiums around.

[BaronVonChickenpants]

Where the entire ends rebuilt or just the upper sections removed and the pitch lowered? Either way I'd say that Telstra is one of the better multiuse stadiums around.

Telstra may be one of the better multi purpose staduims around,but i don't think its a good staduim.Too much of a compromise,a jack of all trades,master of none
Sydney was better off keeping the SCG as the home of Aussie rules(and as tradition,share with cricket)
Melbourne is better off keeping the MCG for the same,
and both cities would have been better off building purpose built large rectangular staduims for Football(soccer)and rugby
instead of the compromise they have now with the Telstra dome and Staduim
Build a staduim for the sport its meant for

[CharlieP]

I totally agree. The situation is worse in New Zealand, where the main stadia all have huge distances from the stands to the touchline when rugby is played, and block out the sun by about 4pm when cricket is played... I know the argument is that the size of the population doesn't justify building two separate stadia in the major cities, but it would be so much better if that happened.

[kingdomca]

I totally agree. The situation is worse in New Zealand, where the main stadia all have huge distances from the stands to the touchline when rugby is played, and block out the sun by about 4pm when cricket is played... I know the argument is that the size of the population doesn't justify building two separate stadia in the major cities, but it would be so much better if that happened.

the population is small and scattered.
Realistically they should focus on building them better.

Side stands should have their front sections made removable. this is a very simple thing, much easier and cheaper than retractable seating, no real extra cost.
This would create a baseball-like wall for cricket but actually also create superb views of the middle even if you cant see the near boundary.
They do need a wembley-style roof to let in the sun but thats the only real extra cost involved in making it excellent for both sports.

Could be interesting to see Wembley tested for a cricket game at some point. Its very different from other football stadiums as it eliminates most or all of the reasons why cricket cant normally be played in football stadiums.

[victory]

I'm yet to be convinced that anybody can come up with a stadium to do a decent job of hosting cricket/Aussie Rules as well as the codes of football that use a rectangular pitch. Telstra Dome was supposed to do this, but as far as I know the lower tier has never been moved, and Telstra Stadium is apparently far from optimal...

The Dome's seating has been configured for Rugby League on a few occasions, and it works alright. However the AFL doesn't want it's precious turf to be damaged and so uses its control over the Telstra Dome to ensure it doesn't happen. But the Grass on the wings is terrible anyway, so the seating doesn't really do any extra damage, i just think its another case of the AFL acting like a spoilt brat.

Telstra stadium doesn;t pull it off too well. The sidelines work well for rectangle config, but in the oval shape that provide horrible field dimensions. And the end areas when in rectangle mode are further away than the MCG. Though with so little seating at the ends, it hardly matters, thats another pet hate i have for TS. Still an alright venue, but far from great.

[MoreOrLess]

the population is small and scattered.
Realistically they should focus on building them better.

Side stands should have their front sections made removable. this is a very simple thing, much easier and cheaper than retractable seating, no real extra cost.
This would create a baseball-like wall for cricket but actually also create superb views of the middle even if you cant see the near boundary.
They do need a wembley-style roof to let in the sun but thats the only real extra cost involved in making it excellent for both sports.

Could be interesting to see Wembley tested for a cricket game at some point. Its very different from other football stadiums as it eliminates most or all of the reasons why cricket cant normally be played in football stadiums.

Cricket was I believe played a few times at the old Wembley stadium although there was a bit more space at the sides of the pitch then(the much larger gaps at the ends would I'd guess have made little difference).

Personally I'd like to see the new Olympic stadium retain at least a 50,000 capacity and be used for cricket(plus be big enough for decent sized athletics events). England one day internationals would I'd guess fill that fairly often if priced well as would Ashes tests plus the current open airy design of the stadium with the tall roof strikes me as more of a cricket venue than a football one.

[highburysouljah]

the only reason they want AFL is because that the only way they are gonna get approved. They cant get a 70k for a rugby and football alone. cause western force and the A league are new so it would be a massive risk but with west coast there its a sure thing.

any way cricket should not be played at the WACA

[invincible]

the population is small and scattered.
Realistically they should focus on building them better.

Side stands should have their front sections made removable. this is a very simple thing, much easier and cheaper than retractable seating, no real extra cost.
This would create a baseball-like wall for cricket but actually also create superb views of the middle even if you cant see the near boundary.
They do need a wembley-style roof to let in the sun but thats the only real extra cost involved in making it excellent for both sports.

Could be interesting to see Wembley tested for a cricket game at some point. Its very different from other football stadiums as it eliminates most or all of the reasons why cricket cant normally be played in football stadiums.

Past experience with using a football stadium for cricket (Telstra Dome) has shown that light towers are essential since lights mounted under the roof makes it very hard for players to catch a white ball in the air.

Maybe Melbourne should have just sent Waverley Park (replaced by Telstra Dome) to Perth. But instead, we decided to turn a 75,000 seater stadium into a residential development. :)

[Tancred]

I'm yet to be convinced that anybody can come up with a stadium to do a decent job of hosting cricket/Aussie Rules as well as the codes of football that use a rectangular pitch. Telstra Dome was supposed to do this, but as far as I know the lower tier has never been moved, and Telstra Stadium is apparently far from optimal...

I agree - it just done not work that well.

[BobDaBuilder]

^^^^^^^

They have moved the lower sections at Telstra Dome once apparently. For a Broncos/Storm NRL game. No pictures of it however. They do work fine I am led to believe. You can guarentee the AFL doesn't allow it to occur because of the turf problems they are having up there. They should look at putting in Astro Turf which is much better now than in the 70's and 80's.

From the rugby matches I have been to Docklands, if you are on level 2 or 3 it is fantastic. No ifs, buts or maybes there. Went with a bunch of English to World Cup in 2003 and they were very impressed with the place. The ground level needs to be moved in and it would be good too. For union in particular, lengthwise there is very little space after the ingoal area anyhow. Twickenham is further away to give you an idea. It is only the wings where there is a sizeable distance.

If I was Perth I would model the new stadium design on Melbourne with more care on allowing in light and possibly flattening the wings ala Football Park in Adelaide which then could be moved inwards to create a closer environment for rectangular sports. 70k is far too big for your city. 45 to 50k at the most.

[Bigmac1212]

I was looking at on of the PDF's of the new stadium. They have these 3 pictures of sporting venues. The left and middle I don't know, but the right picture looks too much like Giants Stadium here in the U.S. It's on page 6 on the top link in the downloads page.

It looks good. I wonder if it's big enough to hold (American) football.

P.S. Over at Wikipedia, those in Australia and New Zeland refere to (American) football as gridiron. Are they correct?

[BobDaBuilder]

^^^^^^^^

Its actually too big. You can get two gridiron fields in. The usual length in about 200 metres by 160/170 metres in Australia for new oval stadiums. In other words about a Tiger Woods 5 iron in length or a 7 iron in width.

A gridiron is only about 120 yards from memory.

p.s. from the design diagrams from the retractable seating on that WA site. It looks identical to Melbourne. The major difference is no retractable roof. Which you have no need for in WA anyhow. It hardly ever rains and is not cold out there. Save yourself 50 to 60 million.

[victory]

Maybe Melbourne should have just sent Waverley Park (replaced by Telstra Dome) to Perth. But instead, we decided to turn a 75,000 seater stadium into a residential development.
Waverly sucked, Im glad its gone. 72,000 is a good number, but it rarely, if ever weas filled. It was old, field was too large, too far out in nowhere, stands were of a bad design. Horrible stadium.

From the rugby matches I have been to Docklands, if you are on level 2 or 3 it is fantastic. No ifs, buts or maybes there. Went with a bunch of English to World Cup in 2003 and they were very impressed with the place. The ground level needs to be moved in and it would be good too. For union in particular, lengthwise there is very little space after the ingoal area anyhow. Twickenham is further away to give you an idea. It is only the wings where there is a sizeable distance.
Couldn't agree with you more.
Most of the tests and WC matches i have been to i was up top, and it was great, you are pretty much above the field.
But for the All Blacks v Boks QF (and other matches in previous years at the TD) i was in the 1st tier, and it was noweher near as good.

Its actually too big. You can get two gridiron fields in. The usual length in about 200 metres by 160/170 metres in Australia for new oval stadiums. In other words about a Tiger Woods 5 iron in length or a 7 iron in width.
No, most are about 150/170m long by about 120m wide.
Still big enough to comfortabley fit gridion (stadium australia did it in '99), but defintaly not to fit two, and thank god, the field would have to be a paddock ofr that.

[Walbanger]

Here are some pics from www.subiacooval.com.au
They are another proposal for are larger stadium for Perth by redeveloping the current one. Planned capacity is 60 000 as opposed to the 70 000 in the Cockburn plan.
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/stadium.jpg
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/southelevation-lge.jpg
South elevation
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/eastwestelevation-lge.jpg
East to West elevation
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/northelevation-lge.jpg
North elevation
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/westelevation-lge.jpg
West elevation
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/exterior-lge.jpg
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/exterior_2-lge.jpg
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/interior-lge.jpg
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/stage-steps.gif
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/football.jpg
Australian Football (Eagles and Dockers)
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/cricket.jpg
Cricket (National team One dayers and Tests)
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/rugbysoccer.jpg
Rugby and Soccer (Internationals and large Force super 14 and Glory A-League games)
http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/athletics.jpg
Athletics (Commonwealth games and World Championships)

I don't love it but Perth needs something quick.

[Citystyle]

http://www.subiacooval.com.au/gfx/3D_Stadium-V6.swf

[victory]

Notice how in that animation the plan to demolish surrounding buildings.

I just dont think the location is right for a 60000 seater, better off building elsewhere.

[Citystyle]

Government housing.

[Giorgio]

From the annimation it looks like a friggen 90k stadium to me.

[BobDaBuilder]

Why don't they just buy up those houses across the street in the outer?

Make the Perthlings "an offer they cannot refuse."

[Mo Rush]

']From the annimation it looks like a friggen 90k stadium to me.
true

[BobDaBuilder]

Good to see they have a Carlton player's image on the stadium walls.

[kichigai]

I think that may be a player from a team in the WAFL - The CFL is written in yellow.

[kota16]

The Subiaco Oval for 60,000 would be the sporting crown of WA. Public transport just like Telstra Dome in Melbourne.

[Walbanger]

I think that may be a player from a team in the WAFL - The CFL is written in yellow
Good to see they have a Carlton player's image on the stadium walls.
That is Claremont Football Club from the WAFL.

[docker]

i am all for the subiaco plan, and it is quiet neat how the development will be built while not losing more than 100 seats at any time.

[Wezza]

Pity about the one small stand on the Subiaco plan! Kinda ruins the overall look. The big stands look good though. Plus i think 60k is probably a better number. 70k is getting up there, it would probably only get filled once or twice a year!! (WC v Freo matches)

[Mo Rush]

goooo perth build big stadia!! why not just build two 70,000 seaters!!

[Giorgio]

goooo perth build big stadia!! why not just build two 70,000 seaters!!
Because that would be a massive waste of funds.
There is absoloutely no need for 2 70k stadia in Any Australian city.

[highburysouljah]

they should use a different stadia for football and rugby at leat a 35k

[invincible]

']Because that would be a massive waste of funds.
There is absoloutely no need for 2 70k stadia in Any Australian city.

Melbourne had that for almost 30 years, and they only demolished Waverley Park because it was crap and in a poorly connected location (every other AFL venue is at least close if not adjacent to a railway station). :D

[Mo Rush]

']Because that would be a massive waste of funds.
There is absoloutely no need for 2 70k stadia in Any Australian city.
i know i was kidding..they both seem pretty great..but i would support the other alternative rather...the "beijing"esque design of stadiumWA is pretty cool

[Citystyle]

Let's split that 235 million dollar Subi bill'

The $235 million cost of expanding Subiaco Oval to 60,000 seats should be met by football, state and federal governments paying one-third each, according to Wayne Bradshaw, chief executive of the WA Football Commission.

He also wants the government to sink the railway underground next to Subiaco Oval for $70 million and pay for it by selling land along the line for $80 million.

That would allow the oval to spread north about 10m and a big plaza-built for people to walk between the oval and stations, with a bridge over Haydn Bunton Drive as a major entry statement to Subiaco.

The commission is ready to pay for Homeswest to demolish flats on Subiaco Road and build again on the same site, about 50m east.

Residents would be rehoused in better accommodation, he said.

The commission wants to buy nine private properties at the western end of Subiaco Road.

Mr Bradshaw hoped to reach agreement with the owners for a fair price but would ask the government to resume them if necessary.

"We want to build Subiaco as a fine civic building - not just a concrete shelter for football," he said.

"We could have blockbuster events for other sports and no more than 10 non-football events in any year.

"The whole building would be refurbished in stages to bring it up to current standards of furniture and style."

He and other football chiefs are lobbying to get the state government to pick Subiaco Oval as the main stadium for Perth for the next 30 years - and they are playing very hard.

The commission has not hired professional lobbyists.

"We have a pretty good range of contacts we are talking to," Mr Bradshaw said.

Those contacts include Premier Alan Carpenter, who is a football enthusiast and a former player.

This week, Mr Bradshaw took aim at John Langoulant, head of the stadium taskforce set up to recommend a short list of possible sites, who had criticised the Subiaco Oval idea within hours of it being announced - and days before the shortlist was due to be declared.

It was "very surprising" and "most unusual" for the head of any committee to pre-empt the committee's work, he said.

Mr Bradshaw also attacked the task force suggestion that a stadium could be built on Mueller Park next to Subiaco Oval.

This would be hugely expensive, he said, because it included sinking the railway, buying dozens of properties along Subiaco Road, including blocks of flats, and would ultimately mean 20,000 fans leaving the ground to cram into one railway station, if the target of 50% on public transport was achieved.

Mueller Park was a beautiful space highly valued as a park with many trees that should be protected.

He also criticised the proposal for a stadium at Cockburn, which had no surrounding entertainment precinct.

It would have only one station to cope with the entire crowd and was far from home for many football fans.

He said 80% of Eagles and Dockers fans lived within 25km of Subiaco; only 38% lived within 25km of Cockburn.

[Citystyle]

You are looking at the 235million dollar version. The 700million would rock because the train station could cope with the passangers.

The stadium will be built a subiaco. There to much money and power for the WAFC.
Mr Fong who works for the government as australias best paid public servant (from government wages ;) will push it very hard and i expect get his way.

[docker]

under the redevelopment of subiaco, there woould be four big screens in place of the current two.

[Pointy Haired Boss]

I've just exchanged emails with somone from Perth who said the following....

As for the mooted Perth stadium, an interim report by the WA government appointed study group was published last week which proposes a new 60,000 stadium to be built either on land next to Subi Oval or in East Perth. However, the AFL aren’t taking that lying down and are arguing that the best option is to re-develop Subi Oval (for which by coincidence the AFL has a 99 year lease which means that it gets to say who plays there and when). The AFL (like the WACA) has had its snout in the WA government trough for years and won’t lie down easily but I don’t expect them to prevail. A final decision is due to be made by the WA government before the end of the year.

Perhaps some of the Perth based forumists would care to comment.

[docker]

the plan in east perth, has two train stations within 500m with a rail line going to the east of the metropolitan are to the east of the area heading north and a rail line going to the S.E. on the south side of the site. the east perth site is 1.5km from the centre of the CBD and is very popular and is probaly the front runner.

the site next to subiaco oval is where everyone parks their cars for current games and would also include the destruction of 100 year old trees and the resumption of a lot of houses. this idea is supported because it could carry on the history of Subiaco oval and only 2.5km from the CBD.

it appears the stadium will be built with only 60,000 seats with a retractable seats and provision for a retractable roof to be add once extensions to the stand are made to increase capacity to 75,000. the goverment said stufff the cost and want it built in ten years.

In both cases subi would probaly be destroyed and the w.a.c.a. downgraded to only 10,000 and no longer hold international cricket.

at the moment no-one realy actualy knows what will happen and all that has been said was in the government report.

[Walbanger]

Sorry for starting a new thread about this but I couldn't find the old ones.
Anyway, The West Australian state government Stadium Taskforce has completed their report. They have proposed a $1 billion AUD ($820 million USD) 60 000 seat stadium with strong considerations for expansion to 70 000.
They have narrowed the site down to 2 with their preference being next to the old East Perth Power station 1.5km from the GPO which is also being redeveloped possibly into a state museum. The other site is next to the current mess os a stadium Subiaco Oval in Kitchener Park.
http://www.thewest.com.au/getfile.aspx?Type=image&ID=45397&ObjectType=3&ObjectID=49132
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps4.jpg
View of the East Perth site, note the colours are green and red which are the colours of the state flora 'the kangaroo paw'. The stadium is copying the Allianz Arena with its changing facade. Other colours the stadium will be are royal blue and yellow of the current AFL champions the West Coast Eagles and purple, green and red for the AFL's Fremantle Dockers.
The Stadium's bottom tier will be moveable to bring 22 000 seats closer for rugby (Super 14's Western Force) and Soccer (A league Perth Glory).
More pics and a film can be seen at http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=29475
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps2.jpg
with an open end.

[||-GOB-||]

Wow that sounds great! I was starting to think it wasn't going to get built because they've been taking so long.

[Citystyle]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=29475
http://www.majorstadiataskforce.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=7

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps2.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps1.jpg

[city_thing]

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/06stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/10stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/09stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/03stadium.jpg

I love how it can change its colours depending on which team is playing ^_^
And the super modern buildings at the Eastern end, where the old power station is.

[Walbanger]

:lol: I just added those pics at the same time. I'm really happy about this plan. Lets hope they can get started so it will be finished by 2012.:banana:

[city_thing]

Perth, Australia.

60,000 capacity.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps2.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/01stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/10stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/09stadium.jpg

It changes colour depending on which team is playing.

[Wezza]

Looks pretty nice! Dunno bout those colours though..... ;)

[city_thing]

:lol: I just added those pics at the same time. I'm really happy about this plan. Lets hope they can get started so it will be finished by 2012.:banana:

I think we're all just too freakin' excited by this. No way I'm sleeping tonight :P

[Walbanger]

Looks pretty nice! Dunno bout those colours though.....
True it should just stay Blue and Yellow or the State Colors Black and Yellow.:cheers:

[Eureka!]

Sweet! Awesome design! Love the patterns and lights.

[Eureka!]

NAh. Freo's colours are awesome! They all are :D

Love the design and the roofing. And also those ultra- modern towers. One of the best stadiums ever!

[Walbanger]

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/08stadium.jpg
Cricket mode with the ends pulled in to create a more circular field than the oval of Australian Football.
http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/07stadium.jpg
And Rugby/Soccer mode. This pic must be in an exadurated perspective as the report states that when in rectangle mode the teir will be 15m from the field. Like how the pic has the Wallabies vs the All Blacks, lets bring the Bledisloe Cup to Perth:banana:

As for the 15m distance in rectangle mode. Thats 1m better than Stade de France, 3m better than Telstra Dome. 4.5m worse than Telstra Stadium's wings but far better behind the goal lines.

[Ari Gold]

Surely an international cricket or bledisloe cup game wouldnt have the dockers colours in the exteria. No-one would take us seriously.

[BobDaBuilder]

^^^^^^^^^^^

You would have thought that a state and city with all that ridiculous wealth from resources would have already had a showpiece stadium. Instead they have that dog-track at Subiaco which looks aesthetically horrid.

[Mo Rush]

love the perth stadium...so its final now? stadium WA? i wouldnt be suprised if HOK designed the stadium, ive seen the original design

[MasonsInquiries]

Perth, Australia.

60,000 capacity.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps2.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/01stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/10stadium.jpg

http://www.thewest.com.au/multimedia/WAN%20ONLINE/mm1/Galleries/stadium/images/09stadium.jpg

It changes colour depending on which team is playing.

looks nice!! looks like a pillow.......lol.:lol:

[Benn]

as opposed to the Allianz arena which looks like a matress with a hole in the middle.

[docker]

considering everyone is seeing pics of east perth and burswood, i'll put some in for kitchener

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9048/subiaco206000020dayb20aqy0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4536/subiaco206000020duskb20af3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1333/kitchparkxf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4228/internalrugbygo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4917/internalcricketql1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1674/internalaflsj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i you notice on the cricket pic, it would appear as though the retractabe seats would be moved further out then in afl mode, because of the black spaces on the end of the wickets.

[Joop20]

Actually the Burswood pics havent been posted here yet. Kitchener option is by far the most uninspired if you ask me! Good thing the report is finaly out though, I love the stadium desing! just wait and see what will happen now....

[atom]

Another awesome stadium!

[city_thing]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/stadia.jpg

The Burswood option:
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5756/bursdaysp5.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2614/bursniteig6.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9986/1traepmp6.jpg

[city_thing]

^^^^^^^^^^^

You would have thought that a state and city with all that ridiculous wealth from resources would have already had a showpiece stadium. Instead they have that dog-track at Subiaco which looks aesthetically horrid.

A very true statement. Considering the billions that pour through this city and how expensive it's become to live here, we should have the best infrastructure in Australia.

I really hope this stadium is built in East Perth. There's so many new towers being built and planned in the surrounding area, it'll suit them well.

[Wezza]

Question, does the roof open & close over the end or are they showing the options of with a roof & without a roof over the end?

[Walbanger]

Question, does the roof open & close over the end or are they showing the options of with a roof & without a roof over the end?
The later

[michał_]

guys, could you write something about the Burswwod option- on one pic there are two stadiums, on the other one is instead of another. I'm lost.

[city_thing]

The government had 4 option of where to put the new stadium:
1. East Perth
2. Burswood (where a square stadium would have had to be built as well, for some reason)
3. Kitchener Park (beside the current Subiaco oval)
4. Redevelop Subiaco oval.

Burswood is home to a big casino, the entire penninsular it's on is currently being developed and the owners of the casino wanted the stadium to be built there, as well as another square stadium for soccer and rugby. They also wanted the new Perth Arena to be built there as well, even though construction had already started on it.
Here's some of their ideas:
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/663/burswoodplanaerial2pd6.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5219/burswoodplanground2xv9.jpg

Building the stadium in Burswood would compliment their current project, which is all these towers they're building
http://www.mirvac.com.au/forsale/WA/the_peninsula/images/popup_location_new.jpg
On the other side of the freeway in Burswood, there's a planned development for a few more towers around the horse racing track -
http://img83.echo.cx/img83/2222/belmont26vv.jpg
http://img83.echo.cx/img83/9764/belmont9kv.jpg
http://www.edart.com.au/belmont.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4287/belmont26rf.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1359/belmont42hw.jpg

So basically, you can see why building the stadium there was a good option. A lot of buildings are going up, and the government wanted to turn it into Perth's 'sporting district'. The area's connected well to the city by trains and busses, so it would have been good to see it built there. But East Perth's gone through such a transformation with new buildings going up everywhere (see picture below) so it will look good there I think. The old power station's been redeveloped, now they're looking to use it for something, so if it's intergrated in to the stadium then I think it will become a sport museum.

Here's some of the building's going up in East Perth, where the stadium will be:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8164/image3qu2.jpg
1.Cinema City Prop.TBA;
2. Next Door to CC Rumoured TBA;
3.Criterion 75m/24lev U/C;
4.Condor 80m/26lev U/C;
5.Altair 62m/18lev U/C;
6.Luxxo 82m/26lev Appr.;
7.Elevation 100m/28lev U/C;
8.Peak 66m/18lev U/C;
9.MintStage2 80m/26lev Prop.;
10.Reflections 80m/24lev x 2 U/C;
11.OneOfManySmalls:p ..
12.176AdeTce 71m/24lev Prop.;
13.Westralian Completed.
14.Rise 94m24lev Appr.;
15.Sky 74m/22lev U/C;
16.Saffron 71m/22lev U/C;
17.Altus 115m/31lev Appr.;
18.Fraser Suites&Appart.65m/18lev & 70m18lev Appr.

Hope that helps.

[gappa]

Saw this on the news the other night, go WA! They should build it with 70 000 capacity straight away - what's the point of upgrading later when it'll be disruptive and much more costly? None!

[docker]

it's actualy been designed to upgrade to the 70,000, so it isn't disruptive or costly.

[Citystyle]

Saw this on the news the other night, go WA! They should build it with 70 000 capacity straight away - what's the point of upgrading later when it'll be disruptive and much more costly? None!

The Government will make the decision. But it's a smart plan, Perth is not trying to steal the GF and our Sports teams might fall a little in 5 years so we might not need 70,000 for another 25 years.

[docker]

we take another step towards this stadium.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8772/paraoxon004um8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mo Rush]

hope it gets built..its magnificent.

[Benjuk]

how big is the rectangular stadium?

[docker]

thank god its about time.

Go-ahead for new Perth stadium (http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=51490)
18th December 2007, 18:45 WST

AFL chief Andrew Demetriou has helped break a deadlock between the WA Football Commission and the State Government on the development of a new 60,000-seat multi-purpose stadium in Perth.

The Government has indicated it wants to build a new $850 million stadium at either Kitchener Park in Subiaco or East Perth, but the WAFC has said it preferred the refurbishment of Subiaco Oval.

A deal was finally brokered after a day-long meeting today that included Mr Demetriou, Sports Minister John Kobelke and WA Football Commissioner Neale Fong, ending months of stalemate.

The Football Commission agreed in principle to relinquish its lease on Subiaco Oval, clearing the way for the development of the new stadium.

Mr Demetriou and Mr Kobelke said it had been agreed the best solution was to build a new multi-purpose stadium, giving the AFL priority use.

“We all support the building of a 60,000-seat stadium in this State and we all support the fact that football won’t be worse off,” Mr Demetriou told reporters.

To alleviate the WA Football Commission’s concern that it would lose revenue if it had to relocate to a new stadium, the Government has agreed to recompense it for any losses under the deal.

“We’ve been able to assure football in Western Australia, both the clubs and the Football Commission and grassroots football, that it will not be worse off through the construction of a major stadium,” Mr Kobelke said.

The State Government will decide on the location of the new stadium.

AAP

[docker]

and we have a site selected, now for construction on KITCHENER PARK, and it also means we get a $500m museum as well

New stadium to be built in Kitchener Park (http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=57761)
8th February 2008, 12:30 WST

Premier Alan Carpenter has announced the State Government will spend $1.1 billion on a new sports stadium at Kitchener Park in Subiaco.

It is expected it will take four years to build the new stadium, with the first game of football to be played shortly afterwards in 2014.

Sports games will be able to be played before the stadium is completed and while construction is still underway. It is hoped construction will be completed by 2016.

The stadium will host AFL, Rugby, soccer and cricket matches, with the potential to host international events.

It will seat 60,000, with the option to increase the size of the stadium to 70,000.

Speaking at the Labor Business Round Table Lunch, held at the Hyatt, Mr Carpenter said the WA government would meet with Australian soccer officials next week to discuss bidding for the right to host 2018 Soccer World Cup.

The Premier said the planning phase would include the expansion of the Subiaco Redevelopment Authority boundaries and the resumption of land and re-location of affected residents from the prime Subiaco residential hub.

There will also be road and rail upgrades to facilitate access to the stadium.

Mr Carpenter said the State Government would allocate initial funding in the coming State budget to commence the planning process of what will be a major public asset.

“The progress of negotiations with football and the huge public support means we will now be able to deliver an outstanding new facility for the people of WA,” Mr Carpenter said.

Mr Carpenter also announced a new WA Museum would be built in East Perth at the old power station.

The new museum will cost $500 million with planning and design to start next year, and an anticipated completion date of 2015.

Planning and design of the new museum is expected to begin this year, with construction expected to begin in 2012.

The extensive fit-out required for the museum is scheduled to start in 2013.

Mr Carpenter said the massive infrastructure project would be a stunning cultural and social institution for WA, which would tell the amazing stories of the State and its people in a new building that would bring new life to a major heritage site.

“We have a unique opportunity to build a museum for the 21st century which showcases our history, indigenous heritage and unique environment,” Mr Carpenter said.

JESSICA STRUTT AND MICHAEL BENNETT


$1.1b sport stadium for Kitchener Park, Subiaco (http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23180266-948,00.html)
Andrea Mayes
February 08, 2008 01:00pm

PERTH'S new $1.1 billion sports stadium will be built at Kitchener Park, Premier Alan Carpenter announced today. Kitchener Park, adjacent to Subiaco Oval, is used for parking during football matches.

The 60,000-seat sports stadium will have the potential to increase to 70,000 seats and will be the home of WA football, as well as cater for rugby, soccer and possibly cricket matches. It will also be used for major concerts.

"This multi-purpose stadium will be an iconic stadium building befitting our city as well as serving the community for decades and decades to come,'' Mr Carpenter said.

Football is expected to be played on the new ground in 2014 and the ground will have an initial capacity of 40,000, but it will not be completed until 2016.
Defending the staged construction, Mr Carpenter said the project was massive and complex.

''I want people to understand this right from the outset - this project will be will not be quick or easy to deliver,'' he said.

''There will be significant disruption and inconvenience during the construction period. We have to be prepared for that.''

The $1.1 billion cost includes $800 million for the stadium and $300 million for associated infrastructure, escalation, property acquisition and transport.

Mr Carpenter said the government would be seeking federal government and private help to fund the project, but was not relying on it.

Funding for the planning stages of the stadium would be included in May's state budget.

He said Kitchener Park had been chosen ahead of East Perth because of the considerable transport inconvenience East Perth residents would have experienced.

Residents from 93 houses and units along Subiaco Road will forced to move for the new stadium development, most of them Homeswest tenants.

Sport and Recreation Minister John Kobelke said the Homeswest tenants would be relocated within the Subiaco area.
The East Perth Power Station site, which was also in the running to replace Subiaco Oval, will become the new home of the WA Museum.

The new museum, to be built at East Perth, will cost around $500 million and is expected to be completed by late 2015.

Mr Carpenter said the museum would be `a huge contributor to our state and our cultural life' and using the old power station site would allow the creation of soaring exhibition spaces.

"It'll be a showcase for the amazing stories of Western Australians, our indigenous people and rich Aboriginal culture, sporting greats, rural families, and leaders across our community,'' he said.

The museum and stadium projects will both be overseen by the Office of Strategic Projects, also announced today.

Headed by Richard Mann, who handled the city end section of the Perth to Mandurah rail line project, the offie will also oversee the Fiona Stanley Hospital, Perth Arena and the new Northbridge theatre.

PerthNow

Subiaco wins race for new 60,000 seat stadium (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/08/2158089.htm?section=wa?section=wa)
Posted 8 hours 8 minutes ago
Updated 5 hours 44 minutes ago

The Premier, Alan Carpenter, has announced Perth's long-awaited multi purpose outdoor stadium will be built at Kitchener Park in Subiaco at a cost of $1.1 billion.

The new stadium will seat 60,000 with the potential to be expanded to 70,000.

Mr Carpenter says the stadium will be able to host AFL, rugby, soccer and cricket matches and is expected to be ready for the 2014 football season, but will not be fully completed until 2016.

"This multi purpose stadium will be an iconic stadium building befitting our city serving the community for decades and decades to come," he said.

The Government will bid for the 2018 Soccer World Cup with the new stadium as the proposed venue.

The Government says it will seek funding from the Commonwealth, business and the sporting codes to help build the stadium.

The other site considered for the project, the old East Perth power station, was deemed unsuitable because of transport difficulties.

That site will be used to build the new WA Museum.

[Walbanger]

I just don't know what to think?
I'm glad the government has made a decision on the location (I prefered the other site) but construction starting in 3 years and taking another 5 to complete is an absolute joke especially when all the prelimenary sum, concepts and plans have been completed, by the time they finish building the design will be 10 years old. You can't help but be cinical in this State. I understand that the constuction industry is pushing capacity but 8 years is just not acceptable for a city like perth to have to wait while West Coast had 53,478 members last year (most in the league) and Subiaco is old and embarassing at 42 500.

I seem to remember that the stadium issue was of great importance to the Australian Rugby Union when they awarded Perth with the Super 14 franchise instead of Melbourne. Well looks like the Victorian government is delivering with contruction already started on Melbourne's Rugby/Soccer stadium. Perth is left with the below Super 14 standard Members Equity stadium and a multipurpoe venue another 8 years away.

Happy but so pissed off:nuts:

[Masters At Work]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/cdps.jpg

It's look like allianz arena !!!:eek2::eek2::eek2:
(only the picture of the outside of the stadium ,just upside that message)

[Mo Rush]

The other conceptual design for Perth stadium is horrific. Looks like strips of paper put together.

[city_thing]

Masters at work, those bottom pictures are Allianz Arena in Munich. I think they just used it to be conceptual of what could happen.

[Masters At Work]

Masters at work, those bottom pictures are Allianz Arena in Munich. I think they just used it to be conceptual of what could happen.


Ok !:bash:

[Joop20]

So, finaly a decision has been made! Congrats to Perth, too bad it'll take another 8 years before it's finished!

[city_thing]

Ok !:bash:

Actually now that I look at it, the one on the left is Allianz, but the one on the right it something else. Might be the water cube in Berlin (but that image above is pretty old, before they started building the cube I think) - maybe it's that Eden project building in Cornwall, england?

[dysan1]

8 years time??? madness. you right, the design will be far less fresh by then. I dont understand the massive back log time, esp since its been on the drawing board so long. and 5 years to build? do the builders only work 3 hours days?

[Mo Rush]

No doubt, that the design will change, and rising costs will prob see half the roof go. It happens if you plan a stadium over 8 years.

[Bobby3]

I have a friend in Melbourne who says WA is actually flushed with cash, so it may come off.

[Jim856796]

I don't know which option I prefer: redeveloping subiaco Oval or building the new WA Stadium. If I choose the latter option, it would be a cool stadium.

[Chairman]

8 years time??? madness. you right, the design will be far less fresh by then. I dont understand the massive back log time, esp since its been on the drawing board so long. and 5 years to build? do the builders only work 3 hours days?

This is Australia we're talking about, nothing gets built quickly here unless its for a specific event. Just look at Wembley.

[Joop20]

This is Australia we're talking about, nothing gets built quickly here unless its for a specific event. Just look at Wembley.

Things take ages to get build all around the world. Over here in Holland, so many reports are required and so many nimby's are moaning, that it takes forever before anything gets build...

People in Perth should be really happy that WA is actually spending it's money on projects like this, and on all the other projects that are happening in Perth at the moment!

[Ari Gold]

Don't worry. The design will be outstanding and world-class. Where spending 300mill on the design, resumption of land, logistics, etc on it. 850mill on actually building the thing.

[dysan1]

This is Australia we're talking about, nothing gets built quickly here unless its for a specific event. Just look at Wembley.

Yeah but in 8 years many revisions may need to be planned. Is there a specific reason for the delay? Granted i know the stadiums in south africa are going up mighty quick for 2010 due to the time pressures, but if we can get a 70 000 seater stadium up in durban with its monster arch in just about 3 years, this one can surely go up too?

Or is perth just a bit of a different place? we all know how isolated it is.

[Mo Rush]

Don't worry. The design will be outstanding and world-class. Where spending 300mill on the design, resumption of land, logistics, etc on it. 850mill on actually building the thing.

over an 8 year period anything can happen. the reality is that there is not an unlimited budget. estimates of what the stadium will cost are just predictions, and could be way off. it is likely that the design might suffer by 2016
1. for being outdated
2. scaling back due to a limited budget.

[Homeroids]

Don't worry, it will go ahead as a 60k expandable to 70k stadium. It's on the public record and the State opposition party is backing it in principal.

[Perth4life]

Well for one Mo.Rush, this isn't SA, its Australia, the government doesn't scale projects down once they have started, what is planned is planned, full stop.

What's with the sudden arrogance of all the South African forumers? you might have nice stadiums coming for a world cup and waterfront redevelopement but your country still has some very fucked up issues.

[Mo Rush]

Well for one Mo.Rush, this isn't SA, its Australia, the government doesn't scale projects down once they have started, what is planned is planned, full stop.

What's with the sudden arrogance of all the South African forumers? you might have nice stadiums coming for a world cup and waterfront redevelopement but your country still has some very fucked up issues.

this has nothing to do with RSA. thats beyond the point.

an 8 year period makes any project a bit shaky with or without government support, unless you are suggesting an unlimited budget? its likely that costs will almost double, and that earlier projections will be way off. will taxpayers just be expected to pour in more money as costs rise( and they will). so this has nothing to do with RSA or our issues, but simply deals with the reality of any project of this scale or nature.

im actually suprised by your response wrt to RSA. when we talk stadia we talk stadia, something some people simply cant do. now get on you high horse and ride into the real world.

[Lowie101]

Western Australia has multi billion dollar budget surplus' every year, this project along with numerous others planned for Perth will be funded by this surplus. This stadium will be amazing, yes it will take a while, yes it will probably end up costing more than what is projected, but that happens in almost every estimation. That is to be expected and if the end result is anything like those renders it will be worth it.

[Benjuk]

Well for one Mo.Rush, this isn't SA, its Australia, the government doesn't scale projects down once they have started, what is planned is planned, full stop. Not a stadium, but have you seen the finished Federation Square in Melbourne compared to the original plans? Very much scaled down.

What's with the sudden arrogance of all the South African forumers? you might have nice stadiums coming for a world cup and waterfront redevelopement but your country still has some very fucked up issues.it's a stadium forum, and they are only boasting about stadiums - and their new stadiums are worth boasting about

I see Ben Buckley is 'breaking the news' that AAMI Stadium in Perth isn't suitable for the World Cup... Who'd have guessed? Haha.

[city_thing]

AAMI stadium is in Adelaide.

[Joop20]

I see Ben Buckley is 'breaking the news' that AAMI Stadium in Perth isn't suitable for the World Cup... Who'd have guessed? Haha.

lol, what does AAMI stadium have to do with the new stadium in Perth? I assume you were talking about this: http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23188349-12428,00.html ?

[docker]

http://www.perthstadium.com.au/

[docker]

the picture is of the stadium in rectangle mode...

From last Thurs West - Super Rugby Liftout - 24-April

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/309/stadium01wo3.jpg

Rugby fans promised much better viewing at new stadium
DAVE HUGHES

Rugby spectators will be on average only 9m farther from the action at Perth's proposed $1.1 billion multipurpose stadium than fans at Brisbane's Suncorp Stadium, considered the best rugby venue in the world.

New swing-seat technology will transform the lower tier of the oval at Kitchener Park into a rectangular arena holding 22,000, with the front row of seats more than half as close to the touchline as at Subiaco Oval.

Two higher tiers of corporate facilities, holding 7500 and 880 guests respectively, will complete the stadium in a Super 14 configuration, with the 30,000 upper tier likely to be closed off to concentrate fans — and therefore atmosphere — as close as possible to the field.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6211/stadium02cq3.jpg


The operators of Suncorp Stadium used the same approach when the Western Force lost to the Queensland Reds last Friday. With only 18,000 attending the game, the upper tiers at either end were off limits to fans.
Department of Sport and Recreation boss Ron Alexander said Western Force followers would be closer to the playing field than at such notable rugby grounds as Sydney's ANZ Stadium, the Brumbies' Canberra Stadium, AMI Stadium in Christchurch and Westpac Stadium in Wellington. They would have a similar view to ticket holders at State de France in Paris, the venue for last year's World Cup final.

"The big thing for the Western Force is that the lower tier will form a complete rectangle, rather than having large gaps in the corners," Alexander said yesterday.

"That will give it the look and feel of a rugby stadium, rather than a footy oval with a block of seats pulled out."

Alexander said 80 per cent of seats would be under cover and the roof had
been designed to capture light and . sound.

"The stadium will appear more enclosed and this will enhance atmosphere," he said.

The seating tiers will be more steeply raked than at Subiaco Oval, creating better viewing, and rows will be further apart, allowing spectators easier access to seats from stairways.

The front row of seats will be a minimum 1.5m above the playing surface, giving customers an unrestricted view over advertising signage and team benches.

Although fans will not be as close to the players as at a purpose-built rectangular stadium, where the distance from the front row to the sideline is usually 5.7m — or half that at the multi-purpose arena — spectator facilities will be considerably better than at any existing stadium in Australia.

There will be two huge video screens in the arena and dozens of monitors scattered throughout the concourses behind the seating areas to enable those at food and beverage outlets to watch on-field action.

The concourses, containing food outlets, bars and toilets, will circle the ground and be built under cover.

Public and private facilities for dining are being planned and the long queues for food, drinks and toilets which fans are used to will become a thing of the past.

Construction is scheduled to start in 2011 with Super 14 to be played there from 2016.

The adjacent West Leederville railway station will also undergo a major upgrade to cater for large crowds.

[docker]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8006/document003qi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[BobDaBuilder]

Nice looking facility. But how long to build the joint? Who is going to build the place, Matthew and his only Son?

It should only take 3 years.

[Mo Rush]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8006/document003qi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

id prefer if the bowl was significantly completed before the roof is added.

[lukus]

Very nice, hi-tech roof but the construction schedule doesn't make sense. You gonna have a half built stadium next to subiaco before it gets demolished???

[BobDaBuilder]

After tonight I wouldn't be betting 50 cents that they will build anything in WA. All bets are now offically off.

There will be a cabinet meeting on Monday in Perth.

[CharlieP]

Very nice, hi-tech roof but the construction schedule doesn't make sense. You gonna have a half built stadium next to subiaco before it gets demolished???

Makes a lot more sense than having a not-at-all built stadium when Subiaco is demolished...

[Joop20]

After tonight I wouldn't be betting 50 cents that they will build anything in WA. All bets are now offically off.

There will be a cabinet meeting on Monday in Perth.

Did I miss something? I thought this stadium was given green lights by the WA gov?

[BobDaBuilder]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It was a facetious remark. The pride and joy of Perth was given a real old fashioned spanking by the mighty Navy Blues!

[docker]

Eagles lost to Carlton, and freo lost to melbourne, proboblay the bottom four teams for the year in the afl

[Weebie]

Although Perth is an AFL state ITs well knwon that in 2000-2002 When the eagles and dockers were crap the fans dropped off like flies.

I still remember in Perth a few years ago people saying we should build 100k seater.

Perth as a city its just one big joke.

MY prediction is 7 years at a cost of 3.5 Billion AUD!

[Lowie101]

Although Perth is an AFL state ITs well knwon that in 2000-2002 When the eagles and dockers were crap the fans dropped off like flies.

I still remember in Perth a few years ago people saying we should build 100k seater.

Freo have been doing poorly for a couple of years now, west coast have plummeted yet they still sell out a 42,000 seat stadium in 29 minutes. Almost all their games are sell outs, even this year when they have been diplorable.

[Weebie]

Bullsh*t.

There were 7000 empty seats at WA footballs biggest game.

It was sold out through membership...watch the drop off like i said 2000-2002

[Lowie101]

Bullshit nothing...SELL OUT.... There may very well be a drop off, teams can underperform on a yearly basis, couple of years or decades in the case of Freo (with a couple of exceptions). Yet demand still warrants a larger capacity, and don't forget this thing wont be completed till 2016 so basing it on current circumstances is pretty weak.....especially considering games can sell out/near sell out when they are doing so shit.

[docker]

Although Perth is an AFL state ITs well knwon that in 2000-2002 When the eagles and dockers were crap the fans dropped off like flies.

I still remember in Perth a few years ago people saying we should build 100k seater.

Perth as a city its just one big joke.

MY prediction is 7 years at a cost of 3.5 Billion AUD!

yes, because they definetly dropped off like flies :nuts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_Eagles#Membership_and_attendance

oh my look at how horrible those No. are...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremantle_Football_Club#Membership

freo's worse year for attendances (2001) was only 2600 less than their hieghest average year ever before it (1999)

[Joop20]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It was a facetious remark. The pride and joy of Perth was given a real old fashioned spanking by the mighty Navy Blues!

Righto, I don't follow AFL :cheers:

[aaronaugi1]

this has nothing to do with RSA. thats beyond the point.

an 8 year period makes any project a bit shaky with or without government support, unless you are suggesting an unlimited budget? its likely that costs will almost double, and that earlier projections will be way off. will taxpayers just be expected to pour in more money as costs rise( and they will). so this has nothing to do with RSA or our issues, but simply deals with the reality of any project of this scale or nature.

im actually suprised by your response wrt to RSA. when we talk stadia we talk stadia, something some people simply cant do. now get on you high horse and ride into the real world.

Actually, the Taskforce outlined the costs if the stadium was to be built at a decent rate would only be around $800million as initially stated. Yet now we know the cost will be $1.1billion to a) have it completed by 2016 to avoid time over runs, to plan the stadium costs. So i dont see it rising anymore than $1.1bn and can almost expect it to be delievered UNDERBUDGET with a decent surplus. The same strategy occured in the East Perth redovelopment...or at least Charles Johnson (the director of the project) thinks so.

WA is looking at a budget surplus of $2bn this financial year, along with a $20bn surplus federally. Will tax payers be willing to pay for this...? Yes, over 120,000 people are members of the sporting clubs expected to use the facilities and the utility (gain) for the entire state is HUGE. The media will pump the whole situation up and old grandma's will get there two cents on why they demand a new retirement village instead of a stadium but apart from that i dont think tax payers will worry too much about 1.1bn over 8years. I dont think anyones even blinked at the 300m on the new Perth Arena (except for the design) but the general cencus of Perth citizens is that we need new sports facilities. We have the cash, we have the ability and this is the RIGHT TIME.

As for members dropping off due to poor performance. So what? WCE and Freo wont be down in the pits forever. If thats an excuse not to build the stadium we'll just be in the same situation in 5-6years time when they're back at the top.

[Mo Rush]

Actually, the Taskforce outlined the costs if the stadium was to be built at a decent rate would only be around $800million as initially stated. Yet now we know the cost will be $1.1billion to a) have it completed by 2016 to avoid time over runs, to plan the stadium costs. So i dont see it rising anymore than $1.1bn and can almost expect it to be delievered UNDERBUDGET with a decent surplus. The same strategy occured in the East Perth redovelopment...or at least Charles Johnson (the director of the project) thinks so.



welcome to SSC.

[Cruise]

Although Perth is an AFL state ITs well knwon that in 2000-2002 When the eagles and dockers were crap the fans dropped off like flies.

I still remember in Perth a few years ago people saying we should build 100k seater.

Perth as a city its just one big joke.

MY prediction is 7 years at a cost of 3.5 Billion AUD!

LOL at perth ever building a 100k seater stadium

[docker]

today this got the intitial funding in the state budget for the detailed planning etc...

[docker]

Perth’s new stadium gets major cash injection
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/Perth-Stadium-Update-for-web-1.jpg

The funding commitment follows the Premier Alan Carpenter's announcement in February this year to build the stadium at Kitchener Park in Subiaco.

The State Government has allocated $336 million over the next four years and includes $27.7m for transport infrastructure, $39.6m for land acquisitions, $25.7m for social housing development and the commencement of stadium construction and planning costs 
of $243m.

Complex planning is needed before construction can begin on the outdoor stadium including: realigning the boundaries of the Subiaco Redevelopment Authority; acquiring land included in the stadium precinct area; replacing more than 60 HomesWest properties and relocating residents; realigning roads; and relocating the West Coast Eagles headquarters and training venue.

The Major Stadium Steering Committee, co-chaired by Department of Sport and Recreation Director General, Ron Alexander, and Office of Strategic Projects Executive Director, Richard Mann, will guide the delivery of the project and the associated precinct and services infrastructure.

Other members of the Steering Committee represent key State Government agencies that will be required to provide their expertise to bring the stadium to reality.

The Steering Committee will also consult extensively with the AFL, WAFC, cricket, rugby, and soccer bodies as well as the entertainment industry. The City of Subiaco and Town of Cambridge will also play a key role in the development and future operations of the stadium.

Perth's new stadium will cater 
for AFL, rugby, soccer and 
cricket and will be able to host 
major international athletics 
and concert events.

Concept design and master planning is expected to be completed later this year while site acquisition and land consolidation should be finalised by September 2009.

The new stadium will be built in two stages: Stage 1 construction of 40,000 seats due to be completed by February 2014; followed by Stage 2 completion in 2016.


http://www.perthstadium.com.au/index.php?id=67

The Major Stadium Steering Committee

Ron Alexander (Co-Chair)
Director General
Department of Sport and Recreation

Richard Mann (Co-Chair)
Executive Director, Office of Strategic Projects

Tim Marney
Under Treasurer
Department of Treasury and Finance

Eric Lumsden
Director General
Department for Planning and Infrastructure

Tim Sharp
State Solicitor
Department of the Attorney General

Reece Waldock
CEO
Public Transport Authority

Tony Morgan
CEO
Subiaco Redevelopment Authority

Paul Joyce
Principle Policy Officer
Office of the Premier

Michael Cutler
Sport and Recreation Policy Advisor
Department of Premier and Cabinet

Prof Geoffrey London
WA Government Architect


New experience in 
store for rugby and soccer fans

To get you as close to the rugby and soccer action as possible, the new stadium will incorporate a moveable lower tier of 22,000 seats.

Sitting on the sideline at a Western Force game at Subiaco Oval you are currently 31 metres from the action, but with Perth's new stadium you will be just 15 metres from the sideline and dead-ball line!

WA rugby fans will be closer to the action than crowds currently attending similar events at Sydney's Telstra Stadium and Melbourne's Telstra Dome.

What makes this system so unique is the way it works. Incorporating a system based on technology used at Sapporo in Japan and Stade de France, the four main lower stands will be rotated into place at a pivot point by large hinges connected to a central bridge.

This reduces the number of rails and trenches needed in the playing field and means, for sports like rugby and soccer, the oval will transform into a rectangular format with little effort.

The lower tier will use the latest in light-weight structural technology, reducing weight and the amount of equipment required making the operation simpler and faster.

Taking no more than eight hours to reconfigure the stands using this high-tech system, a Friday night Western Force crowd will be out celebrating while the stadium will be converted to AFL mode for the next West Coast Eagles or Fremantle Dockers home game.

Perth Stadium's reconfigurable seating will improve the technology currently in use at ANZ Stadium in Sydney and Telstra Dome in Melbourne.

When you consider the new stadium's moveable seating option it will truly provide you with the ultimate game day experience.

[BobDaBuilder]

It would want to improve what they have in Melbourne as they cannot use the thing because it is too expensive and stuffs the turf up. A white elephant in other words which is a shame because the stadiums developers made all these promises and never delivered.

[aaronaugi1]

It would want to improve what they have in Melbourne as they cannot use the thing because it is too expensive and stuffs the turf up. A white elephant in other words which is a shame because the stadiums developers made all these promises and never delivered.

um...evidence please...:nuts:

[Mo Rush]

It would want to improve what they have in Melbourne as they cannot use the thing because it is too expensive and stuffs the turf up. A white elephant in other words which is a shame because the stadiums developers made all these promises and never delivered.

It would prob deal with retractable seating in a much less damaging way but I dont think Telstra is a white elephant. is it? now that the new melbourne stadium is being built football telstra' sustainability is questionable...what will they use it for? larger football matches?

[Joop20]

It would prob deal with retractable seating in a much less damaging way but I dont think Telstra is a white elephant. is it? now that the new melbourne stadium is being built football telstra' sustainability is questionable...what will they use it for? larger football matches?

The rectangular stadium in Melb is being build for the local Rugby and Football teams. It can be expanded to 50k in the future, which is not unlikely considering the popularity of Melbourne Victory.

Telstra stadium on the other hand is mainly used for AFL, and is packed about every weekend during the AFL season, so there's no risk of Telstra ending up as a white elephant. It's just that its retractable seating won't be used much anymore once the rectangular stadium is completed.

[Mo Rush]

The rectangular stadium in Melb is being build for the local Rugby and Football teams. It can be expanded to 50k in the future, which is not unlikely considering the popularity of Melbourne Victory.

Telstra stadium on the other hand is mainly used for AFL, and is packed about every weekend during the AFL season, so there's no risk of Telstra ending up as a white elephant. It's just that its retractable seating won't be used much anymore once the rectangular stadium is completed.

oh well then its no issue.

re: telstra dome..nice interior..awful exterior. that part of melbourne has such potential(which is being realized) alongside the magnificent southern cross station((which im am extremely jealous of). teltstra dome's design is a bit of an eyesore.

[BobDaBuilder]

Docklands is a great stadium for football. But soccer and rugby not quite perfect due to the distance you are from the touchlines. It is not too bad however because it is so steep and does not go back too far like VFL Park did or the MCG.

The problem I have with it was that it was promised that it could be configured to rectangular sports which has only ever been used 2 times in history which is a laughable joke! It is 10 years old for fucks sake! That is why I reckon the rectangular bit is a white elephant and a furphy!

[aaronaugi1]

oh well then its no issue.

re: telstra dome..nice interior..awful exterior. that part of melbourne has such potential(which is being realized) alongside the magnificent southern cross station((which im am extremely jealous of). teltstra dome's design is a bit of an eyesore.

the exterior of Telstra Dome, from ground level, looks far better than what it does from the air...still, it is probably the best venue Australia has to offer as an all-round sports facility.

[Ari Gold]

Telstra Dome is an outstanding venue for AFL. Its actually quite a good place for cricket as well. Its ok for soccer but you would be struggling if you have to use that place regularly (much like the Force and Subi Oval here).

As for Docklands... it has quite some time to go yet before its fully developed.

[Benjuk]

The key difference between Telstra Dome and the new Perth venue is the roof, and the superstructure required to support it. It's very hard to get natural sunlight on the turf at the Dome, and the pitch temperature is fairly low all year round due to the constant shade - as a result the grass doesn't grow well and replaced turf struggles to bed in. The new Perth venue, judging from the renders doesn't have a roof, and also appears to have a roof/walls that will allow sunlight in for most of the day, most of the year - which will make for stronger turf, which will allow the lower tier of seating to be moved more often.

[Ari Gold]

Your right, no roof.


However when in rectangular form, 80% of the seating will be undercover though. Thats if i read correctly.



Not sure what they are doing now at the dome but the surface was a major issue when it was first opened. It was like running on sand-tracks apparently.

[aaronaugi1]

Your right, no roof.


However when in rectangular form, 80% of the seating will be undercover though. Thats if i read correctly.



Not sure what they are doing now at the dome but the surface was a major issue when it was first opened. It was like running on sand-tracks apparently.

The drastically changed the soil used a few years back when it got all the "too slippery for AFL" stuff...that was after the whole sandy stuff back when it first opened in 2001. Taking a walk on it this year there is no problems with the grass IMO.

[Calvin W]

So any recent news?

[aaronaugi1]

So any recent news?
Project guiding group has been formed. I'd expect a general masterplan to be released in 6months.

It doesn't seem to be a major rush project. I suspect when Perth Arena starts to get up and out of the gigantic hole it currently is we will start to see some more stadium developments.

With the Arena, Waterfront planning, major transport upgardes etc all going on at the moment the government may be stretched for resources...an explanation to why they dont expect it to be done until 2016.

[Calvin W]

Project guiding group has been formed. I'd expect a general masterplan to be released in 6months.

It doesn't seem to be a major rush project. I suspect when Perth Arena starts to get up and out of the gigantic hole it currently is we will start to see some more stadium developments.

With the Arena, Waterfront planning, major transport upgardes etc all going on at the moment the government may be stretched for resources...an explanation to why they dont expect it to be done until 2016.

I've driven by the arena site lately. At least some action is going on down there, but I can't believe how slow construction is in Perth in general.

[melbstud]

i like

[theespecialone]

there should be 2 spearate stadiums

rectangle-perth glory, western force, perth reds in the future

oval-afl

unless they build a convertible ground that could provide for perfect vantage points for both types fo sports

[bing222]

Have they said constrcution will start

[aaronaugi1]

there should be 2 spearate stadiums

rectangle-perth glory, western force, perth reds in the future

oval-afl

unless they build a convertible ground that could provide for perfect vantage points for both types fo sports

I think thats their intention over the next 20years.

60-70,000 seat AFL, Athletics and International Rugby/Football Stadium

30-40,000 seat Members Equity Stadium for domestic rugby, domestic football, Asian football, NRL.

My understanding is they will wait to see how well the new stadium operates as a multi-purpose stadium first before making any MAJOR moves on a rectangular venue. In the mean time, Members Equity will probably just recieve small upgrades for the next decade.

[Benjuk]

I think thats their intention over the next 20years.

60-70,000 seat AFL, Athletics and International Rugby/Football Stadium

30-40,000 seat Members Equity Stadium for domestic rugby, domestic football, Asian football, NRL.

My understanding is they will wait to see how well the new stadium operates as a multi-purpose stadium first before making any MAJOR moves on a rectangular venue. In the mean time, Members Equity will probably just recieve small upgrades for the next decade.

In terms of a World Cup bid - Perth having two 40k+ venues would be a major boost, it would give far better validity to using Perth as a venue if supporters didn't have to travel the width of this huge nation for the sake of one game every 3 or 4 days. (It would also help avoid the inevitable fight between Sydney and Melbourne about who'll be the 2 venue city!)

[aaronaugi1]

In terms of a World Cup bid - Perth having two 40k+ venues would be a major boost, it would give far better validity to using Perth as a venue if supporters didn't have to travel the width of this huge nation for the sake of one game every 3 or 4 days. (It would also help avoid the inevitable fight between Sydney and Melbourne about who'll be the 2 venue city!)

if Australia held the WC during the 90's this might have been viable (given Perth was seemingly the only "power" football city in Australia aside from Melbourne.

Now Perth is lucky to draw 10,000 to domestic games...i seriously dont think it would ever be considered for 2 stadiums.

Melbourne and Sydney....one will get 2 stadiums, the other will get the final..simple.

If Perth was included in the bid i'd imagine it would get an entire groups matches and maybe 2 R16's or a Quater final...if its possible to fit that many matches in...Would save the teams (and supporters of those teams) having to travel across the country to Adelaide and beyond...I'm sure Perth could easily handle four teams, there followers and staff.

[Benjuk]

if Australia held the WC during the 90's this might have been viable (given Perth was seemingly the only "power" football city in Australia aside from Melbourne.

Now Perth is lucky to draw 10,000 to domestic games...i seriously dont think it would ever be considered for 2 stadiums.

Melbourne and Sydney....one will get 2 stadiums, the other will get the final..simple.

If Perth was included in the bid i'd imagine it would get an entire groups matches and maybe 2 R16's or a Quater final...if its possible to fit that many matches in...Would save the teams (and supporters of those teams) having to travel across the country to Adelaide and beyond...I'm sure Perth could easily handle four teams, there followers and staff.

Can't have an entire group's matches with only one stadium - partially because FIFA likes a few days between games at any one venue, but mainly because the last games in each group have to be played simultaneously (very hard with only one pitch).

I'm pretty sure that Perth, footballing powerhouse or not, could sell out stadiums for few World Cup games (especially as many of the tickets would go to travelling fans from around the world).

For the record, I agree with you about the Sydney/Melbourne thing - but the bid would be stronger, from FIFA's point of view, if it were spread right across the country.

[krudmonk]

I know the second two color schemes are for AFL clubs, but what is that first one?

[invincible]

Colours of the state floral emblem, according to the first post.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Anigozanthos_manglesii_SMC_2007.jpg/230px-Anigozanthos_manglesii_SMC_2007.jpg

[theespecialone]

^^^^they're fremantle colours? (minus the purple)

[Benjuk]

The rectangular stadium in Melb is being build for the local Rugby and Football teams. It can be expanded to 50k in the future, which is not unlikely considering the popularity of Melbourne Victory.

A bit of a red herring this expansion to 50k business - the justification for using tax payers money was that Melbourne didn't have a 'mid-size' venue between the 10k of Bob Jane/Olympic Park, and the 55k of Tesltra Dome. Would seem rediculous to upgrade the MRS using tax payer money when Victory already have a deal in place to switch high-attendance fixtures to the Dome.

re: telstra dome..nice interior..awful exterior. that part of melbourne has such potential(which is being realized) alongside the magnificent southern cross station((which im am extremely jealous of). teltstra dome's design is a bit of an eyesore.

Would it make you extremely jealous to know that when I turn around and look out of the window in my office, I can see both Southern Cross AND Telstra Dome a couple of streets over and 30 storeys below me?

[docker]

update...

current Subiaco Oval
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/existing-.jpg

Stage 1 of new stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/Stage-1.jpg

Stage 2 of new stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/Stage-2.jpg

Final Development of new Stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/Stage-3.jpg

videos
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[bing222]

Great video

[city_thing]

A bit of a red herring this expansion to 50k business - the justification for using tax payers money was that Melbourne didn't have a 'mid-size' venue between the 10k of Bob Jane/Olympic Park, and the 55k of Tesltra Dome. Would seem rediculous to upgrade the MRS using tax payer money when Victory already have a deal in place to switch high-attendance fixtures to the Dome.



Would it make you extremely jealous to know that when I turn around and look out of the window in my office, I can see both Southern Cross AND Telstra Dome a couple of streets over and 30 storeys below me?

I can see Southern Cross from my office as well :) Only just though.

can we swap?

[theespecialone]

WEagles

[Carrerra]

Fantastic stadia! It will be pearl of Australlia.

[Benjuk]

Fantastic stadia! It will be pearl of Australlia.

Maybe the pearl, but we've still got the diamond here in Melbourne. MCG all the way.

[Benjuk]

Stage 1 of new stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/Stage-1.jpg

Stage 2 of new stadium
http://www.perthstadium.com.au/assets/images/Stage-2.jpg


I guess that finally kills off the idea of leaving Subiaco up for a few more years as a second stadium for Perth in a World Cup bid!!!

[Gherkin]

That's a great way of building the second stadia on site without interfering with the first. In the UK we'd just knock the first stadium down then wait for years whilst the new one is built...

[Vanguard]

That's a great way of building the second stadia on site without interfering with the first. In the UK we'd just knock the first stadium down then wait for years whilst the new one is built...

Interesting take on the situation.

I'd say they're only doing that way as there is no other stadium to use. If they had a 40,000 stadium across town they'd just knock it over, I can assure you.

[aaronaugi1]

Interesting take on the situation.

I'd say they're only doing that way as there is no other stadium to use. If they had a 40,000 stadium across town they'd just knock it over, I can assure you.

there is another usable 30,000ish sized stadium across town.

the reason it is built like this is becuase of the size of the site and the plans for the surrounding area.

The capacity will only go as low as 30,000 so its not like it will cause major disruptions. It will also encourage public interest in the project.

[bing222]

It will be a great stadium i can't wait until its finished

[Carrerra]

Maybe the pearl, but we've still got the diamond here in Melbourne. MCG all the way.

Personally I like pearl better than diamond. So, to me, Perth is better than MCG :lol:

[docker]

there is another usable 30,000ish sized stadium across town.

the reason it is built like this is becuase of the size of the site and the plans for the surrounding area.

The capacity will only go as low as 30,000 so its not like it will cause major disruptions. It will also encourage public interest in the project.

what do you mean, the currrent subiaco oval will not be touched, until the new stadium has a capacity equal or greater than the old stadium, so that means there will be no distruptions to spectators at either stadium...

[nazrey]

Perth To Bid For 2018 Commonwealth Games
August 05, 2008 19:01 PM

MELBOURNE, Aug 5 (Bernama) -- The West Australian government has announced a plan to bid for the 2018 Commonwealth Games to be held in Perth.

A feasibility study would be carried out by the government sports, recreation and tourism authorities to determine whether Perth could host the 2018 or 2022 games, West Australian Premier Alan Carpenter was reported by the Australian Associated Press as saying in Pderth.

"We want to actually present Perth as a city on the world map," he said adding that Melbourne attracted some 60,000 international visitors for the 2006 Commonwealth Games.

The WA government's plan for the Commonwealth Games bid coincides with its pitch to be part of Australia's bid to host the Fifa World Cup soccer event in 2018.

Bidding for the 2018 Games starts in 2010, with the deadline for formal lodgement in 2011, six months before the Commonwealth General Assembly.

The final decision is made by a vote of each of the Commonwealth Games associations.

-- BERNAMA

[Cruise]

Perth will not get the 2018 games, too soon since Melbourne was only 2 years ago

[docker]

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=98338

AFL urges Barnett to build $1.1b stadium
18th September 2008, 6:00 WST

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1549/getfilehm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5011/getfilejn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The AFL yesterday urged the incoming government to stick with plans for a new $1.1 billion outdoor stadium rather than a patch-up job on Subiaco Oval to save money.

But premier-elect Colin Barnett repeated his line yesterday that the new stadium would be reassessed in light of falling revenues and the Nationals’ demand for more money to be spent in the regions.

He said an improved stadium would go ahead in some form but the WA Football Commission’s previous $800 million plan to renovate the existing Subiaco Oval was in the mix.

AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said yesterday while it understood the government needed to re-evaluate all major projects, a new stadium would be positive for football.

“It’s our view that the case for a stadium is pretty clear because of the role of WA football in our national game but we look forward to any discussions we can have with the government in coming months,” he said.

On Tuesday, two high-profile members of the task force responsible for planning the new stadium said refurbishing Subiaco Oval would not offer a long-term solution. Task force chairman John Langoulant said if the Government was financially constrained it was better to wait until a new stadium could be afforded and maintain Subiaco Oval in the interim.

Mr Langoulant said refurbishment of Subiaco was constrained by Roberts Road. “To build a normal stadium on that southern side requires you to cantilever over Roberts Road, which by any stretch of modern design is extremely poor planning, not safe and doesn’t allow for growth beyond 55,000 seats,” he said.

Task force member Terry Budge said the $1.7 million task force report was regarded as the best ever done in Australia and had clearly established a multi-purpose stadium was the best option. He said renovating Subiaco would mean other sports such as rugby would not be able to use the venue, unlike a new stadium which could be reconfigured to suit various codes. “WA has a history of getting to these sort of decisions and then doing bits and pieces sort of jobs and you end up saying, ‘we didn’t do it right’,” he said.

WA Football Commission chairman Neale Fong has said it favoured moving to a new stadium. WA Rugby chairman Geoff Stooke said its preferred option was a dedicated rectangular stadium.

Task force estimates for a standalone rugby stadium were between $300 million and $400 million.

PETER KERR

[bing222]

Amazing find

[docker]

Grylls should not be talking about this issue, he is neither the sports minister, the infrastructure minister nor the premier so he has no jurisdiction over this issue and therefore should shut up!

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2433/image001zs4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Bobby3]

Will the Perth Glory use this or will they stay at that current stadium?

[docker]

Will the Perth Glory use this or will they stay at that current stadium?

they will stay at Members Equity Stadium, they are only getting crowds in the 8,000 region.

[Wezza]

they will stay at Members Equity Stadium, they are only getting crowds in the 8,000 region.
They won on the weekend, they might need this stadium next weekend. Will it be ready in time? :lol:

I'm not really over enthusiastic about the retractable seat stadiums, it's still not ideal for rectangular field sports. But i guess it's probably the best we can hope for over in the west.

[docker]

unbelievable, both of these gentlemen, have decided to pass commentary on the situation and the project, yet neither of them have a clue as to what has been done or is going on :ohno:

Barnett, Grylls still to read stadium task force case despite reservations
22nd October 2008, 6:00 WST

Neither Colin Barnett nor Brendon Grylls has read the $1.7 million stadium task force report, despite casting doubt on its finding that Perth needs a 60,000-seat multi-purpose venue.

Task force chairman John Langoulant confirmed yesterday no one from Mr Barnett’s Government had asked him to explain the report.

A spokesman for Mr Barnett said he was aware of its contents but had not read it. “He will, however, read the report in full and discuss the issue with John Langoulant prior to entering the decision-making process on the stadium,” he said.

Mr Barnett and Sports Minister Terry Waldron will be briefed on Perth’s stadium options tomorrow by project representatives and consultants who worked with the task force.

On Friday, the Government is due to meet AFL chief Andrew Demetriou to further discuss the issue.

Mr Langoulant described both briefings as “critical” to the future of the project.

He urged the Government to make the effort to understand the issue, because “the next generation of West Australians will have to deal with” the decision it made.

Mr Langoulant warned that trying to rebuild on the Subiaco Oval site would be more expensive than a new stadium and would not offer any solution for rectangular field sports. It would need significant housing and road resumptions.

MARK DUFFIELD

[docker]

WAFC rejects Subi rebuild bid
23rd October 2008, 6:00 WST

Colin Barnett’s bid to put a redevelopment of Subiaco Oval back on the agenda as one of WA’s stadium options suffered another blow yesterday when the WA Football Commission said it would cost as much or more than a new stadium.

The WAFC’s stadium project director Peter Abery warned that the current site had severe limitations and would be difficult and expensive to turn into a multi-purpose stadium.

His warning echoed the words of former stadium task force chairman John Langoulant and came on the eve of a critical briefing by key stadium task force consultants for the Premier and Sports Minister Terry Waldron.

Mr Barnett spoke favourably of a gradual MCG style rebuild on the current Subiaco Oval site on Perth radio on Tuesday.

“The rebuilding is not just gutting it and fixing it up, it is actually talking a whole section of the ground out, levelling the site by an eighth, re-building that eighth and then working your way around the ground,” he said.

Mr Abery said a staged redevelopment of Subiaco would cause significant interim problems because of diminished stadium capacity.

“There is an issue when you try to rebuild a redeveloped Subiaco because you end up with significantly less capacity while you rebuild it,” he said. “The MCG has 100,000 and can drop down to 70,000 or even 60,000. It wasn’t that much of a problem. The second issue, according to studies done by the WAFC, is that if you progressively build round stand by stand it costs as much as a new stadium would. When you are building over time you have far greater escalations obviously than would be the case if you are building it as a one-off.”

He added that the current site had “significant location limitations”, saying any development of the Southern Stand would overhang Roberts Road and overshadow homes.

A spokesman for Mr Barnett said that no decision had been taken on the stadium or rebuild options. “While he has stated he is finding it difficult to justify the $1 billion cost, the State Government has not yet reached the point where the options are being considered in detail to progress the decision,” he said.

But Mr Abery said the Government also had to be careful about misleading costings being used in the public debate on the stadium.

“The true current cost of the new stadium is about $700 million,” he said.

MARK DUFFIELD

[docker]

well you can say bye bye to a very beautiful stadium proposal. :gaah:

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=106784

Premier all but kills hope for new stadium
7th November 2008, 6:00 WST

Colin Barnett has all but ruled out building a totally new stadium at Subiaco, saying yesterday that it would offer no improvement for football fans until 2016.

This is despite the previous government saying that under its proposal to build a new stadium, 40,000 new seats would have been available in time for the 2014 AFL season, equal to the number contained in the existing stadium.

HAVE YOUR SAY: Should the stadium plans be scrapped? Click here (http://blogs.thewest.com.au/news/news-blog-should-stadium-plans-be-scrapped/)

The Premier told ABC radio that while a final decision had yet to be made, it was a “fair assumption” that the existing Subiaco Oval would be rebuilt progressively to a capacity of 55,000 seats rather than completely redeveloped as a 60,000-seat multi-purpose stadium capable of accommodating all football codes and cricket.

But stadium task force chairman John Langoulant warned that rebuilding the existing arena would subject sports fans to “death by a 1000 improvements” and would not offer a long-term solution to the State’s sporting needs.

He said refurbishing Subiaco Oval along the lines of the MCG would not necessarily provide improved facilities any faster than a new venue.

“We’re dealing with a stadium that is more than half the capacity of the MCG and we’re proposing to put a construction site into it (for a long time) and progressively upgrade it,” he said.

Mr Langoulant said if the current economic climate and constrained government finances meant a new stadium, designed to last at least 50 years, was not affordable, the project should be deferred.

“This is a long-term investment, not just out to 2016,” he said. “(It would be better to) put it off … stay with what we have and maybe when the next business cycle turns around in five years time we can revisit the whole question again,” he said.

Task force member Terry Budge said it was vital that a new stadium be built and it should be deferred if necessary.

Shadow sports minister Ken Travers said the Premier should recognise the efforts of the two-year, $1.7 million stadium task force, which had clearly identified a new stadium as the best option. “Mr Barnett needs to learn to take advice from experts and stop developing policy on the back of an envelope,” he said.

Sports Minister Terry Waldron said he was still seeking advice on both options and no decision had been made.

The Premier also reiterated that the WA Museum would probably be refurbished at its current location in the Northbridge cultural precinct rather than move to the old East Perth power station.

The Government is in the throes of reviewing all major projects.

PETER KERR

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this is so screwed

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this is so screwed

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I guess WA gets what it deserves for voting that guy into office...:bash: Is he also shelving other developments like the waterfront and the Northbridge link?

[city_thing]

This thread might as well be closed. There's no way Perth will be getting a new stadium within the next 10 years (unless a miracle happens, like Australia wins the right to host the WC2018 and the Perth gets threatened with not having any games).

The new conservative Government bought its way into power with the revenue for regions scheme, which fucked Perth over. Nothing of any interest will happen in Perth until the Nationals loose their stranglehold on power. I dare say WA will miss out on a lot of the Infrastructure Australia fund as well seeing as the Liberal Government can't even put together a real business plan and economic modeling.

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keep rubbing the salt in 'city_thing' it feels good! :(

/cry!

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New Subi stadium expected to be scrapped
2nd February 2009, 14:00 WST

Premier Colin Barnett is expected to announce a new Subiaco Stadium will be delayed for two years and the scrapping of redevelopment plans for the WA Museum and Perth Waterfront at a post-Cabinet press conference this afternoon.

Thewest.com.au understands Mr Barnett will announce plans to redevelop the museum on its current site, rather than the East Perth Power Station as planned by the former Carpenter government.

Plans to extend the northern suburbs rail line to Butler are expected to be re-instated following suggestions late last year the project had been scrapped.

Mr Barnett is expected to reiterate his previous preference for a foreshore development, which is for something low rise and “family friendly”.

PERTH
DANIEL HATCH

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Subi Oval too small in 10 years, Eagles say
5th February 2009, 6:00 WST

Perth needs a stadium that holds at least 52,000 people within 10 years to keep pace with the State’s growing population, West Coast chairman Mark Barnaba has warned.

As football and rugby raced to reposition themselves in the stadium debate after Premier Colin Barnett’s declaration there would be no 60,000-seat multi-purpose stadium project started for at least two years, Mr Barnaba warned that AFL clubs could not afford to wait for another stadium study to come up with another solution.

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“Life is very different to what it was 18 months ago and very different in this State,” he said. “Putting hospitals and schools ahead of museums and stadiums is the right decision in anyone’s eyes.”

But that didn’t change the facts facing football and West Coast in particular.

“The fact is that 42,000 is a small ground in this country,” Mr Barnaba said. “We are at full membership for the Eagles and lots of Dockers games are now sold out at that capacity. The population is growing at 2 to 2½ per cent per year.

“In 10 years, that means that you would need 52,000 to 55,000 seats just to maintain the status quo. Subiaco is an old stadium and it doesn’t compare to revamped stadiums in South Australia, Queensland, NSW and Victoria.”

Rugby and the Town of Vincent have launched a joint proposal for government funding of a $75 million upgrade of Members Equity Stadium, where the Western Force will play all matches from next season.

The WA Football Commission is likely to follow with a $150 million to $200 million proposal to redevelop the southern wing of Subiaco to house 8000 spectators and demolish and re-build the old three-tier stand at the western end of the ground.

Mr Barnaba said football did not have time to wait for more studies on stadia infrastructure such as the one by stadium task force.

“It took three years and we just don’t have that amount of time to follow a process which, quite frankly failed to deliver a result,” he said. “At some point we still need a solution for Subiaco Oval.”

Fremantle chairman Rick Hart said his club would be guided by the WAFC.

“From the club’s point of view we wouldn’t be entering into the debate until we were clear on what the alternatives are,” he said.

MARK DUFFIELD

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Perth is bizarre, they spend a fortune on a stadium for an exhibition tennis tournament, another small fortune for sports which are followed by a fraction of the populace. Yet the biggest sport by a mile gets to continue playing in a glorified 'showground'.

Maybe the WA pollies follow Vic clubs or are 'soccer' or 'rugby' people.