The Philippines: A Newly Industrialized Country

[Thunderflip]

If the Philippines will ever be an indusatrialized and developed nation in the future, how do you assume it to be?What do you have in mind?Will the Philippines ever gain the status as a developed country? And if yes, how will it be?Will it be highly industrialized with big companies and industrial firms that compete globally? It would be interesting to share your ideas and predictions and please explain your facts clearly.

I personally think, to achieve a developed status, the country needs a stable and healthy economy with fair and hard-working politicians who can govern properly and efficiently.The whole country must have a good infastructure and its citizens should be able to live properly.They should have access to education, earn a good cost of living, be globally aware and be cultured and disciplined. All facilities in the country should have maintenance.The media and communications should be massive.The pace of development should be spread out and not centralized and focused in one certain area.I also want the Philippines be a neutral country in terms of politics, army and war. We should not mind other countries' issues. And I am also for a Nuclear-Free Philippines. No nuclear Plants, please. Solar power and water power should be used. I also hope that someday, Metro Manila would not be so crowded and overpopulated. Hopefully, someday, people will be encouraged to move in other emerging parts of the country. I also wish that in the future, the country could be free of foreign debts. Hopefully, also toll-free and first class National Highways would come to existence.

In terms of industrialization, the Philippines could industrialize, it is very possible but not in the level of countries such as Japan, UK, USA or even Germany, which has the most industrial firms in the world in terms of number and importance. The Philippines does not have very big and prestigious big companies and firms. And if yes, then I don't think they can really compete globally. Actually, the method of industrialization the country is going through right now, is that the country is attracting foreign investors to open chains, offices and manufactories in the country, which means many Filipinos will be working for foreign firms. This is not bad at all. More offices and banks means more office highrises and jobs.

The country needs a manufacturing belt: I have the neighboring provinces of Metro Manila in mind and also the Calabarzon area. Cavite, Quezon Province, Rizal, and Laguna are ideal for manufacuries to be located. Imagine big German, Swiss and Japanese companies opening plants there. Metro Manila (Makati, Ortigas, Filinvest, BGC), Cebu and Clark are ideal places for foreign office chains and banks to locate. I also envision that Region 3, especially Pampanga with Angeles and Clark, would be a prestigous Industrial Zone. Clark should be an international meeting and happening place. Conventions and trade fairs should be put up. Science & Technology Parks, Research Centers, Laboratories and Cyber Parks etc should open.Biotechnology is also something that could be introduced. I also see Region 3 as an international hub for transportation. Clark's international aiport, Subic's Freeport and Cargo airport make it perfect. Batangas could also have a port. Hopefully, there will also be a big port in the future that faces the Pacific Ocean.

It is also obvious that the Philippines has very high potential becoming an Argo-Industrial giant. I'm sure that Tarlac, Nueva Ecija, Bulacan, Nueva Vizcaya and CAR are major producers or rice and sugarcane. These provinces could be Luzon's Agricultural Zone. As in the Visayas, Panay, Negros,Leyte and Samar are agricultural giants. The advantage over those of Luzon's is that they have coasts, which means they are abundant in seafoods. These provinces also produce a lot of mango and coconut. Abacca and tobacco is also a major product that should go global. In Mindanao, it is the Davao Region and the surrounding provinces that are the agricultural giants. As they say, this area is the country's Fruit Basket. The cultivation of coffee should be revived in the country. Today's global demand of coffee is high.

Investors should also be incouraged to invest and put up businesses in cities like Davao(could be an Ecozone), Cebu(could follow MM's success), Zamboanga(could emerge) and Iloilo(could emerge and gain more importance) and not always in Luzon.

Tourism is one of the greatest factors of boosting up the economy and income of the country. Natural resources should be preserved. Also endangered plants and animals should be preserved. Let us not pollute the sea to preserve the marine life and the beauty of our rainforests and natural landscpes.The indigenous people's culture should be financed for enrichment and international promotions so that our ancestral tribes' tradition won't die out.I've only seen old Ifugao people, never saw a younger generation.What if they die? Then no one would carry on the tradition of wearing Igorot clothes in Baguio.The architecture and other decaying monuments that pay tribute to our heritage should be financially and anually preserved. Hopefully, the industry does not destroy the natural rewsources we have.

The sectors I could recommend, where Philippine industries could do well in the global market besides agricultural products is the Music Marketing industry. I know we have incredibly talented artists and I guess it could also do very well globally and maybe even have a strong impact in the world's taste of music. Another great factor is the Film Entertainment industry. I have a fantasy of mine that ABS-CBN 2, GMA 7 and RPN 9 could team up and build the Philippines first Film Park so we can have our own Universal Studios and Hollywood. We can follow India's Bollywood success. I know, class Filipino movies could be an impact in the world too and we've got fine acting talents that can move the international audience, you know. One more sector is the Filipnio literature/book industry. I know it sounds weird but Filipino authors could also compete globally if their novels qualify for the international standard and would be published globally.Filipino authors could even gain fame and global recognition. There has never been a Filipino Nobel Prize Winner for Literature. I also personally think that many Filipinos do not know the value and importance of literature in the society but imagine, the many things about our country that could inspire them. Germany alone earns tons of money every year from the book publishing industry. Hundreds of thousands of novels are published here every year. Toy and clothing industy is also worth trying. In the future, the demand of IT experts will be high, so the Philippines should be prepared becoming an international hub for IT technology. The greatest source of our country is of course the people who give vitality and color to our own country.

What do you guys think?

[bagel]

So long as there is no social development, there is no development.

We can have all the glass and steel skyscrapers there are, but if there is no social safety-net, and if there is still such a thing as a class D or E, then we are not going to be developed. Some things should be a prerequisite for development:
social security, socialized healthcare, universal suffrage that isn't based on property-ownership, universalized education, the idea that property ownership does not affect social status, equal wages (and a living wage) for both men and women, the reigning in of globalization and its effects on local economies (fair trade vs. free trade), the cancellation of foreign debt (it won't happen, but face it.. IMF, World Bank and ADB prerequisites are holding the Philippines back)... lots of things. But certainly the number of factories or skyscrapers is an insufficient measure of development. That's why I will vote E. None of the Above.

[Thunderflip]

Is there still sexism in the Philippines?

[Rapid]

Is the Phillipes secular, because without being secular, your country wont prosper
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[renell]

Is there still sexism in the Philippines?

The President is a female, that answers half your question;)

[612bv3]

^^ And she's the second female President. Mrs. Aquino was the 1st female president of the Phil.

[bagel]

Ok so there's a female president. Ask yourself this: how many corporate chairs are female? Another question: Even at the non CEO level, how many women doing the same jobs as men earn the same amount of money? Look in the classified ads. How many service jobs look not only for women but particularly for "fair skinned women, at least 5'2"?" Look in the Pasong Tamo and Jupiter areas of Makati and along Quezon Blvd. How many establishments advertise "Help Wanted: GRO?"

We still have quite a ways to go.

Ask yourself some of these questions about northern countries. Is there still institutional sexism in the USA?
Yes.

[tiltshift]

No more jeepneys. No more tricycles.

[Dvorak]

no more pedicabs? I hate those pedicabs.. it really slows down traffic! they even enter one way streets.. I was crossing Vito Cruz once, knowing that it was a one way street.. I was looking on the side where the cars are suppose to come from.. then bang.. i was almost hit by a pedicab!

[Edmundtanso]

a government officials that cooperate with each other with the same goal-prosperity of the country

[ryanr]

wow:eek: what a long post...i could never write something that long. But it should be an interesting read. I'll read it slowly throughout the day:D

[muzic_lover2981]

Amen to that!!!come on Mabuhay Philippines...u

[pau_p1]

a developed Philippines would be at least 80% free of corruption, with speedy court trials, and heightened nationalism and love of country to it citizens

[Hawayano]

Developed in the sense of…? I feel that we need to develop infrastructure and education. Sayang—you hear so many anecdotes of the Philippines’ standard of living being close to Japan’s back in 1946 when we were both war-torn Asian island nations. What did Japan get that we didn’t? A whole package of reforms and reconstruction implemented by the occupying US forces, that’s what. Instead, the Philippines fell prey to unfair trade/military agreements with the US on the outside, and its own corrupt politicos inside! The Japanese successfully handled land reform after World War II, yet we propped up the same landed elite and kaburgisan whose scions continue to reign to this day. But back to my first point: develop the outlying areas, and effectively disperse the “Manila-centric” concentration of resources.

Great blog question, by the way!

[tiltshift]

Speaking of pedicabs my cousin's car was rammed by one of those buggers who was peddling against traffic.

[renell]

Ok so there's a female president. Ask yourself this: how many corporate chairs are female? Another question: Even at the non CEO level, how many women doing the same jobs as men earn the same amount of money? Look in the classified ads. How many service jobs look not only for women but particularly for "fair skinned women, at least 5'2"?" Look in the Pasong Tamo and Jupiter areas of Makati and along Quezon Blvd. How many establishments advertise "Help Wanted: GRO?"

We still have quite a ways to go.

Ask yourself some of these questions about northern countries. Is there still institutional sexism in the USA?
Yes.

Well my mom was in a pretty high job in this small company. And her successor was a female as well.

You can never eradicate it (ie Held Wanted GRO), unless we turn into a Taliban-like society.

[renell]

No more jeepneys. No more tricycles.

we then lose the Philippine "road culture". Just like the English double deckers, and cabs. It just has to develop over time.

If the Phils is going to be developed and industrliaised, but going to lose its identity, I don't see any progress. People who have left it (including myself) will just see a country which has lost everything that they call it's own.

a government officials that cooperate with each other with the same goal-prosperity of the country

I'd like to see that happens aswell :yes: I'd like to see a massive pay cut for everyone in the government. :cheers:

[bagel]

Well my mom was in a pretty high job in this small company. And her successor was a female as well.
Yes, that's great. More power to her and her successor. but the question remains, what is the ratio of male to female executives in the Philippines? My cousin moved to the US after she felt she reached the glass ceiling in the Philippine advertising industry. Not to say that there isn't gender discrimination in the US, because there is also the same here.

Also, what of expectations of women on the job. How many women secretaries to men secretaries? How much more challenging is it for women to gain higher powered positions? And among people who have the same jobs, women on the whole earn less than men (also the same in the US... women earn 80 cents to the men's dollar).


You can never eradicate it (ie Held Wanted GRO), unless we turn into a Taliban-like society.
You think there is no problem with having women as GRO? I know that it is an honest living, but still... Don't you think it says something about how society portrays women? And btw, a Taliban-like society is not the same as a society that treats women with respect and equal rights. There is no social justice for women in a Taliban-like society, just like there is no social justice for women in a society where they are treated as objects.

[rmb]

90% is up to politicians. Unless we have servant leaders, we will hardly achieve a developed status.

[renell]

You think there is no problem with having women as GRO? I know that it is an honest living, but still... Don't you think it says something about how society portrays women? And btw, a Taliban-like society is not the same as a society that treats women with respect and equal rights. There is no social justice for women in a Taliban-like society, just like there is no social justice for women in a society where they are treated as objects.

i was merely trying to point out that it is something that we probably cannot remove. There is a problem to it, but we haven't solved, or plan to solve all our problems have we? And what i meant by Taliban society is if we cover women so much other men outside his family cant see him, then GRO's won't happen.

[JudeD]

I actually believe that the glass ceiling is harder to pierce in the US and some countries in the EU than here in the Philippines. Our society here is more matriarchal and most men have no problem with deferring to a woman. One thing I've observed is that majority of CEOs and presidents of companies may be male, but going down to the VP level and below you see a relatively more equable distribution of genders. And the CEO/president disparity may be partly because some companies' multinational partners have more say in appointing this position, but if the Filipinos were given a choice, there'd be more females. Based on what I've gathered, the attitude here is that women are more dependable and responsible and less prone to granting favors to friends, and definitely more nurturing and with better PR skills. There are lots of very visible "dragon ladies" holding top positions in the largest corporations in the country like RCBC, ABS-CBN, & SM. Major dailies like PDI and Manila Standard have women as EICs. And I've also noticed that most Filipinos take it in stride that they're powerful women as if it's nothing very special, unlike in the US where they would be marvelled at as rare paragons of progress. I think also because a lot of American males view their female bosses as "that bossy b-t-h", while Filipino males tend to look at their female bosses as "mommy", or "ate", or "tita".

Boybaha, it's strange that your cousin believed that women had a hard time advancing in the advertising industry here. The Manila office of McCann Erickson, one of the largest ad agencies in the world and for a long time, in the country, is headed by a woman, Emily Abrera. My sister used to be creative director of another large ad agency until she semi-retired from advertising, now she heads a small agency of her own. And I've noticed that in advertising the heterosexual males are definitely outnumbered if you add together the females and the homosexuals.

In the academe, particularly in the health sciences, there are fields where females completely dominate, whereas in the U.S. they're still male bulwarks. The UP College of Medicine has had 3 female deans, one of whom even served 2 terms, and UP Manila has a female Chancellor. Dentistry and Pediatrics are totally female-controlled here. And male Obstetrician-Gynecologists are as rare as monkey-eating eagles. I always thought it was ridiculous how until only recently, the most referred to Obstetrics book by Americans, was written predominantly by males. I mean, what do they know about pregnancy and childbirth?

[Aekia]

Well, I imagine an egalitarian country, with a huge and strong middle class
that would form the majority of the population. The wealthy few who run the country would have had their power and influence greatly reduced. There would be free health care and education. (that means high taxes) The
education system would have been revamped and would be well respected.
Courruption would be reduced to low levels and the government would actually work for interest of the masses and not for the wealthy minority.
The infrastructure of the country would be modern, with high speed trains and expressways criss crossing the country. Inter-city public transportation would be excellent so that people would rely on jeepneys or tricycles that love to pollute the air. There would be Filipino companies, producing
quality cars, ships, computers, microchips, military equipment, airplanes, etc.
People wouldn't be looking for jobs abroad because there would be plenty of it in the country. ( No more OFW's away from their families)
The military would be modernized, especially the Air Force and Navy. They would be capable of defending the country. Enough of my rambling.....oh wait, all those Filipino movies stars would be fired, they suck.

[rico]

i would imagine a developed philippines to be a country specializing in three big areas: food, tourism and services.

food, both processed and raw: fastfood, tropical fruits, chicken, pork, beef, feeds.

tourism, both domestic and foreign: beaches, mountain climbing, surfing, summer sports, water sports.

services: information technology, health care services, medical services, call centers, back office operations services, entertainment.

i don't really see the philippines being an industrialized country specializing in manufacturing, automotives and heavy machineries. our culture and weather isn't made for that.

our country can still be rich and progressive if we can be among the best in at least these three areas and i really think we can.

[Bonshita]

I voted for: "The Philippines will prosper due to mass tourism and be dominated by foreign investments."

It's such a pretty country that has alot to offer. Period.

[a00556425]

Anybody remember Fidel Ramos' "Philippines 2000" plan which was to make the philippines and industrialized by the year 2000.

What happened? :sleepy:

[mhe-ann]

I remember that...but I don't think there was an economic boom. but I think before Erap took over the presidency, I think the peso is doing good (errr, months before the elections I mean).

[Thunderflip]

Enough of my rambling.....oh wait, all those Filipino movies stars would be fired, they suck.

What the heck? If Filipino movie stars suck, what are the Bollywood stars then?Maybe you've been watching awful and low quality Filipino action or drama movies from the late 80's to 90's but Philippine cinema has gone through a reformation. If you watch today's films and compare them to the early 90's, you will see a big difference. Or maybe you should look for the right Filipino film.

[Æsahættr]

Is there still sexism in the Philippines?

No - but most people do have this irrational fear of gay/les (GLBTs) people. That translates into bad treatment for those people so (most) of them lead unproductive lives because of fear of mistreatment and abuse. Studies show that 20% of the population is G/L/B/T but in the Phillippines it is <1% because if they do "come out" that they are gay/les - they will be abused in some way or another.

[renell]

What the heck? If Filipino movie stars suck, what are the Bollywood stars then?Maybe you've been watching awful and low quality Filipino action or drama movies from the late 80's to 90's but Philippine cinema has gone through a reformation. If you watch today's films and compare them to the early 90's, you will see a big difference. Or maybe you should look for the right Filipino film.

great point thunderflip. some flip films are really great, while some are only for the girls getting naked and imitating hollywood ones.

[rmb]

We will never become a developed country if we stick to the attitude of always depending on the government for change, always asking help to the government, and definitely always blaming the government. In fact we are the government and thus, we must blame ourselves.

[Thunderflip]

^Yes, we are the government. And it is also partially our fault that the country doesn't progress any further but the government also really does have a lot of power and control and they are the ones who make most decisions. I don't think all citizens should blame themselves, us forumers for example, what are we doing wrong? We all support the progress of our country.

I cannot believe "High-tech industries, ultra modern infastructure and a postmodern government like Japan" is leading the poles. It is obviou that the country will never reach the position and importance of Japan. I don't wanna debate or even type loads to explain everything again, so I won't say that much. Today's globalization has an impact on all this. Even now it is noticable what will happen in the future: Tourism promotion, call centers, IT Technology, and foreign investors coming to the country, to be industrialized, the country has to establish its own industriesand should be able to compete globally.

[renell]

I believe i haven't voted yet.. well i vote for the 3rd choice, tourism and foreign investments. both are on the move at the moment, and i don't see it stopping on its tracks anytime soon

[Thunderflip]

Anybody remember Fidel Ramos' "Philippines 2000" plan which was to make the philippines and industrialized by the year 2000.

What happened? :sleepy:


Back in the early 90's, Malaysia and Thailand were already further developed than the Philippines and they aimed to be at least developed in 2020 and they are not even quite sure if it will even happen at all. What more if the Philippines aimed to achieve this in 2000? This really was an impossible ambition.

[jbkayaker12]

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[ryanr]

I agree with you. Our population does need to be controlled. This should effectively be one of the govt. top priorities. The problem is, the Catholic Church is really tight about this issue. Imo, i am ok with family planning and the use of contraceptives to address this problem. However, nobody should turn to abortion and infanticide as it is totally wrong.

[JudeD]

According to my gynecologist friend, contraimplantation is the new contraception. Instead of being on the pill or having the guy wear a condom, women are now relying more and more on the morning-after pill (actually you have to take it for four mornings after to be sure). She's asked for a prescription for this everyday.

You'd be surprised how little the Church's teachings have any bearing on how most women decide their reproductive future. Those large families are mostly caused by a lack of education (the uneducated women don't know what their options are and who to ask for advice), lack of money (pills and some other contraceptives are not exactly cheap, and now they aren't being provided for free by the government), and pressure from their husbands (they push for a large family, or want a boy, or don't like wearing a condom because they think its a bother).

[renell]

i agree with you guys. the population should definately be controlled. i know then Secretary of Health.. small guy.. Senator Juan Flavier was very much into birth control. I don't know if some of you remember "Let's DOH it", which come to think now is a very chessy phrase :D unfortunately his good plans became only plans. shame that the Catholic Church largely opposes it, yet cannot come up with a plan for it.

[jbkayaker12]

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[tyronne]

...and yet these irresponsible people are the first ones to complain and blame the government for their misery. it's just so sad... :weird:

[renell]

abstinence is also one of the ways supported by the Catholic Church, but flip society encourages having a family. imo with our society getting westernised, abstinence will er... hard:D

[federal]

Anybody remember Fidel Ramos' "Philippines 2000" plan which was to make the philippines and industrialized by the year 2000.

What happened? :sleepy:


well, the asian financial crisis of 1997 derailed it big time...

[paulkrps]

k, while other threads are mired in the lake of discontent, i'm starting this new thread. to borrow a quote from rizal, what the pinas will be a century from now. start on!

[kiretoce]

Still a group of islands in the Pacific, unless global warming marches on unchecked and the polar ice melts, sea levels will rise, then the Philippines will become mere out croppings of rocks. Was that too gloomy an outlook?

[paulkrps]

Still a group of islands in the Pacific, unless global warming marches on unchecked and the polar ice melts, sea levels will rise, then the Philippines will become mere out croppings of rocks. Was that too gloomy an outlook?


haha, if that's the case, then fewer number of islands. then, probably the bureau of lands will be busy redefining the land titles and etc. sea routes will have to be redesigned and realigned. new beaches perhaps? lesser number of provinces? will there be a manila? i dread. :eek2:

[kiretoce]

Hmm....that got me thinking....what major city in the Philippines has the highest elevation? Baguio City perhaps? :dunno:

[marites4]

end of the world by then.

[paulkrps]

more on the positive side. a more mature voting populace and leadership perhaps?

[drfeelgood17]

a more mature voting populace? - if only paul! if only!! hopefully, no more movie star presidents ....

[KulasKusgan]

there will be more development on the countryside. people are tired of democrazy... there will be less street protests.

[KulasKusgan]

Hmm....that got me thinking....what major city in the Philippines has the highest elevation? Baguio City perhaps? :dunno:

and downtown davao will be moved to mt apo.

[ramvingar]

by then China will be the most powerful country in the world and is well on the way of realizing it's goal of creating an Asian Empire. The Philippines will only be a mere province of China along with the other ASEAN countries. :jk:

Seriously though, with more and more Filipinos becoming educated and more informed, I personally think that the Philippines will finally have a stable government with capable leaders (maybe by the year 2020?). And this will of course lead to a stronger economy. Already, it's begun. That's why FPJ did not win by a landslide as we all feared and that's also the reason why people have not been massing in the streets as predicted by the opposition. Give it sometime and Filipinos will finally have the political maturity we so covet and need. I also believe that our hope lies outside Manila. The economic growth in our provinces (soon to be states) will lead the way. :) Well hopefully I'm not being too optimistic, am I?

[dancethingy]

YOU ARE ALL SO DEFEATIST and SO NEGATIVE.

[Lili]

Manila will remain a premier city!

[lochinvar]

"by then China will be the most powerful country in the world and is well on the way of realizing it's goal of creating an Asian Empire. The Philippines will only be a mere province of China along with the other ASEAN countries."

That's is why China is hell bent on financing the construction of a port in Dingalan Bay, Quezon. Its description would be "Chinese Navy, Port of Dingalan Bay, Philippines, Greater China.

[OtAkAw]

I wouldnt want to be ruled over by chinky-eyed geeks.

[bustero]

The seat of the Roman Catholic Church is now seated in Cebu. As the largest Catholic Nation on Earth with 500 million filipinos , and specially since as a people they continously listen to their cardinals and bishops who still run the place, even if the population of earth has started stabilizing at the 10 billion to 11 billion person level, the Philippines is now the 5th largest country on earth After India, Pakistan, China and Bangladesh. Because of the numerous parishes set up to accomodate the flock, there are more filipino cardinals in proportion to the whole group and it's rumoured that the next pope would be bicolano.

The government is now run from Djakarta with the merging of ASAEAN into the SEAC (South East Asian Community) , the philippines was a key country in pushing the grouping together since they gave up on self rule after the long reign of President Chris Aquino who lowered the country's gdp per capita equal to laos. Interestingly enough the 200 million filipinos abroad who actually control 20 countries because of the enourmous migration still support the county by sending in roughly 500 billion $ a year making the gnp per capita the 4h highest in East asia.

Manila now stretches from La Union to naga and is one of the largest megametros in the world with 200 million souls, unfortunately traffic is still unsolved as it take the new fuel celled powered jeepneys, 6 hours to get from cabanatuan cbd to clark cbd.

The current president of ASEAN which rotates among the different countries is now President Gloria Aquino Marcos a scion of the two political clans from the previous century who had a high profile career as a talk show host after being a c grade actress while winning the Miss Universe contest. She never finished high school but looks good on tv anyway.

[bagel]

^ :) that's the best reply in this thread I've seen yet. But your story did not include People Power VII.

[ryanr]

The seat of the Roman Catholic Church is now seated in Cebu. As the largest Catholic Nation on Earth with 500 million filipinos , and specially since as a people they continously listen to their cardinals and bishops who still run the place, even if the population of earth has started stabilizing at the 10 billion to 11 billion person level, the Philippines is now the 5th largest country on earth After India, Pakistan, China and Bangladesh. Because of the numerous parishes set up to accomodate the flock, there are more filipino cardinals in proportion to the whole group and it's rumoured that the next pope would be bicolano.

The government is now run from Djakarta with the merging of ASAEAN into the SEAC (South East Asian Community) , the philippines was a key country in pushing the grouping together since they gave up on self rule after the long reign of President Chris Aquino who lowered the country's gdp per capita equal to laos. Interestingly enough the 200 million filipinos abroad who actually control 20 countries because of the enourmous migration still support the county by sending in roughly 500 billion $ a year making the gnp per capita the 4h highest in East asia.

Manila now stretches from La Union to naga and is one of the largest megametros in the world with 200 million souls, unfortunately traffic is still unsolved as it take the new fuel celled powered jeepneys, 6 hours to get from cabanatuan cbd to clark cbd.

The current president of ASEAN which rotates among the different countries is now President Gloria Aquino Marcos a scion of the two political clans from the previous century who had a high profile career as a talk show host after being a c grade actress while winning the Miss Universe contest. She never finished high school but looks good on tv anyway.

Yikes...sounds so believable. What happens if they are able to extract hydrogen fuel from the depths of the Philippine trench? And when most of the world's fossil fuels are depleted?

[ramvingar]

The seat of the Roman Catholic Church is now seated in Cebu. As the largest Catholic Nation on Earth with 500 million filipinos , and specially since as a people they continously listen to their cardinals and bishops who still run the place, even if the population of earth has started stabilizing at the 10 billion to 11 billion person level, the Philippines is now the 5th largest country on earth After India, Pakistan, China and Bangladesh. Because of the numerous parishes set up to accomodate the flock, there are more filipino cardinals in proportion to the whole group and it's rumoured that the next pope would be bicolano.

The government is now run from Djakarta with the merging of ASAEAN into the SEAC (South East Asian Community) , the philippines was a key country in pushing the grouping together since they gave up on self rule after the long reign of President Chris Aquino who lowered the country's gdp per capita equal to laos. Interestingly enough the 200 million filipinos abroad who actually control 20 countries because of the enourmous migration still support the county by sending in roughly 500 billion $ a year making the gnp per capita the 4h highest in East asia.

Manila now stretches from La Union to naga and is one of the largest megametros in the world with 200 million souls, unfortunately traffic is still unsolved as it take the new fuel celled powered jeepneys, 6 hours to get from cabanatuan cbd to clark cbd.

The current president of ASEAN which rotates among the different countries is now President Gloria Aquino Marcos a scion of the two political clans from the previous century who had a high profile career as a talk show host after being a c grade actress while winning the Miss Universe contest. She never finished high school but looks good on tv anyway.


:hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: that was great bustero. nothing like starting the day with a laugh!!! :)

[bustero]

hehe nothing like making a little fun with ourselves. the future is definitely unwritten for us all , the Philippines is not destined to be a basket case (maybe fruit basket of the world puede pa), believe it or not I got eh 500 million person comment from the ecnomist several years back , when they predicted the filipinos will inherit the earth! So perhaps there is method in the local churche's madness after all , as we shall conquer the world not with armies or money but one care giver, nanny and nurse at a time, then the rest of the planet cannot function as no one will mind the kids at home or lola at the old age home when we go on strike (sounds so jesica safra) and the whole world will eat :baeh3: :gaah: :cheer: :hi: adobo bagoong and putobumbong! kris aquino for president.

[paulkrps]

just imagine, adobo, sinigang and the classic pansit palabok as a major offerings of a 30,000 strong of stores worldwide. hehehe. nice, a worldwide empire of filipino food galore and a selfmade businessman from davao at the helm (no offense to the tagalogs, cebuanos, ilocanos, etc).

[Æsahættr]

I wouldnt want to be ruled over by chinky-eyed geeks.

I'm ethnically Chinese!

BITCH!

jk!

[Sinjin P.]

How will the Philippines be @ 2010? Will it still be GMA's regime? How will our economy, infrastructure, etc. do?

[bustero]

We will all be flying off in Clark as NAIA 3 is still not open and terminal 1 and 2 are too full.

[tigidig14]

sinjin ay 20 yrs old by that then. nde pa rin legal pumunta sa club at manood ng nagboborles

[paulkrps]

parliamentary elections in place?

[marites4]

How bout SinJin @ 2010? :jk:

[mysaong03]

2010? 5 yrs. isnt something so hard to predict. ganon parin, in all aspects. ballooning public debt, gabundok na problema(whether old or even a new govt system takes place), oligarchs & trapos still rule. in other words, phils will remain a feudal society

:)

[Lili]

2010 --- a lot of condo-dwellers.

[bagel]

Sino kaya presidente? Si Mar Roxas? O Prime Minister ba?

[bustero]

His Excelency Prime Minister Joe de Venecia.

I never voted for this guy. I think he's pretty corrupt but hey at least he gets things done. I think if we turn parliamentary he can get eveyone wrking together even the wanabe lonewolf pacool senators , this guys is so good at ass issing and brown nosing noone can say no to him.

[aranetacoliseum]

more skyscrapers build!!

but political crisis remain lam mo nmn mga politiko d2 puna ng puna mga KSP!

[Mango]

Sana Jueteng-free na. and wiser voting pinoy.

[Louman]

GMA will probably flee the Philippines as her immunity she had as a president will be no more. Another movie star tries to run for president or prime minister but isn't taken seriously. D. Macapagal Airport will still be closed due to legal matters, just like NAIA 3. haha.

[bustero]

wow Araneta man our fearless city2city fighter,welcome!

jueteng gone, not likely, even when the Philippines is first world and developed and the most powerful nation on earth, may jueteng pa iyan , of course it will be legal and they'll call it easy two, oh wait a minute , present pa la iyan!

[marites4]

Believe ako ke Arenetacoliseum. He can really represent.

[tigidig14]

one 200m building will be built since 2004 union bank

[marites4]

and once in while araneta humbles us by showing his presence in the PHilippine forum whenever he deems appropriate.

[dominique]

thanks sleepwalker for giving the right format...i didnt know kasi.hmmmn forumers here are ever ready to rescue..thanks

[OtAkAw]

I'm surprised that months ago Araneta was branded as a bad forumer because of his inability to control himself in city vs city threads. Well,times change and people grow up.

But in 2010 the Philippines will be the only remaining country in the world because the Anomalkans are attacking in the lead of Braguda but we have Darna to protect our country! Yey!

[tigidig14]

^:lol:

[mhe-ann]

no less than 90M Filipino population?
Telenovelas/Fantaseryes are still there.
All contests will be based on text voting. :lol:
SSC forum is still there. :)

[ryanr]

Sorry to interrupt, but i'm going to have to delete the off-topic posts in this thread.

[xDieselJockx]

I dont think Arroyo will be around as a president, that's for sure but hopefully the Philippines would be 5 folds better than today. Maybe the next emerging dragon in Asia ....

[cusket]

NAIA III will be finally open.

Hopefully, SM-KS, Sky City and Lopez Tower will be up.

[OtAkAw]

ANd the deuterium that is hidden in the Philippine Trench will be tapped and the Philippines will be in league with OPEC for bringing the world energy.

[c0kelitr0]

^^ it would only become possible if carbon nanotubes are used.

[amras]

carbon nanotubes... stronger than steel, can last forever.

hopefully the political situation in the country is stable. our GDP growth rate would be between 6-8%. Cebu already took the spot for the best island in the world. And Davao already has its first metro. There are no more illegal settlers in Metro Manila (well at least along the rails).

[bagel]

There are already no illegal squatters in Manila actually. Squatting is not a criminal act at the moment.

[amras]

oh ok... let me rephrase that with "legal settlers along the tracks" :)

[Sinjin P.]

There are already no illegal squatters in Manila actually. Squatting is not a criminal act at the moment.

What? So if it isn't obstructing the law, why do MMDA demolish the homes along the tracks? :D

[xDieselJockx]

What? So if it isn't obstructing the law, why do MMDA demolish the homes along the tracks? :D


Maybe for the safety reason also?

[marites4]

NO more rallies. no more trash on the street.

[jun_of]

By then, there is one more person added to the population --> me :cool:
kahit ano pa ang state nang 'Pinas babalik na ako. sawa na 'ko dito sa ibang bansa, hopefully tapos na rin ang binili kong condo :)

[mysaong03]

NO more rallies. no more trash on the street.

yeah, mga shitty nuissance rallyists like these:
http://www.inq7.net/archive/2005/oct/15/index_image.jpg

kung maghanap nalang cla ng trabajo, im sure mayaman na cila by then!!

[KulasKusgan]

yeah, mga shitty nuissance rallyists like these:
http://www.inq7.net/archive/2005/oct/15/index_image.jpg

kung maghanap nalang cla ng trabajo, im sure mayaman na cila by then!!

actually, yang rally mismo ang trabaho nila.

[tigidig14]

^magkano ba sweldo?

[Lili]

^^ LOL!

[Lili]

There are no more illegal settlers in Metro Manila (well at least along the rails).
There are already no illegal squatters in Manila actually. Squatting is not a criminal act at the moment.
oh ok... let me rephrase that with "legal settlers along the tracks" :)
What? So if it isn't obstructing the law, why do MMDA demolish the homes along the tracks? :D

I didn't know they decriminalized squatting. So the presidential decree on the Anti-Squatting Law was repealed already. No wonder the railroad settlers are asking for disturbance fees. There seems to be something wrong with that set-up.

In which case, I predict that in 2010 there will be more syndicates in the business of squatting to gain possessory rights over real properties and ask for exorbitant disturbance fees to leave those areas.

[simply_me]

^magkano ba sweldo?

P500/day + meals
free medical assistance
free burial.. :jk:

[bagel]

In which case, I predict that in 2010 there will be more syndicates in the business of squatting to gain possessory rights over real properties and ask for exorbitant disturbance fees to leave those areas.

They already have those now. I don't remember which law it was but if you are a property owner and have the title to the land, but have squatters on the land, you are responsible for either finding them a relocation site, or compensating them justly. This has indeed given rise to squatter syndicates or "for-profit" squatters. I don't know if we're dealing with a syndicate, but my family has been trying to get squatters off some land in Paranaque for a long time now-- it's been my grandfather's greatest headache, which he took with him to the grave. We're still dealing with them now.

[Mango]

I think there is a Joey Lina law that is pro-squatting.

[Lili]

They already have those now. I don't remember which law it was but if you are a property owner and have the title to the land, but have squatters on the land, you are responsible for either finding them a relocation site, or compensating them justly. This has indeed given rise to squatter syndicates or "for-profit" squatters. I don't know if we're dealing with a syndicate, but my family has been trying to get squatters off some land in Paranaque for a long time now-- it's been my grandfather's greatest headache, which he took with him to the grave. We're still dealing with them now.

Something is really amiss with that law. What about the eviction process? You cannot evict them anymore but you have to offer them just compensation? It really doesn't sit well with me. I want to research more on that.

[tigidig14]

^^ thats fucking scary if its true, I cant beleive we have such mindless law

[stephencua]

there is.. thats why people call it the stupid lina law... it rewards squatters for squatting in private property..

[bustero]

Lina was unfortunately a left leaning politician who had his day in the sun. As senator he enacted this law which basically does not respect property rights as he was very much for redistribution of assets to the poor and other crap like that. In any case this was a very disastrous law which basically negates people's property rights by priioritizing informal dwellers. Such imppractical notions made his term as an executive in Laguna untanable and he lost his governorship because basically he was not competent.

[tigidig14]

^how bout those people squatting underneath the bridges and public properties. apparently with this retarded law there's no way we can solve the manila's squatting problem then. huh

[Lili]

Lina was unfortunately a left leaning politician who had his day in the sun. As senator he enacted this law which basically does not respect property rights as he was very much for redistribution of assets to the poor and other crap like that. In any case this was a very disastrous law which basically negates people's property rights by priioritizing informal dwellers. Such imppractical notions made his term as an executive in Laguna untanable and he lost his governorship because basically he was not competent.

Some interested party should be questioning the constitutionality of that law since it basically deprives a person of private property without due process and just compensation. As to public property, it may be an altogether different matter. Tsk. Tsk. How problematic.

[xDieselJockx]

Some interested party should be questioning the constitutionality of that law since it basically deprives a person of private property without due process and just compensation. As to public property, it may be an altogether different matter. Tsk. Tsk. How problematic.

Holy cow!!!!There is such a law like that in the Philippines? That is just soooo wrong. Buying a property today but if you didn't build and live there right away, tomorrow when you get back someone else will live there and the worse part is, you'll have to pay them compensation to haul their arses out of your own property??? Now that's just totally Politically Incorrect. F*** that!!!

[bagel]

Being a left-leaning politician does not make a politician a bad one. But I do feel that Lina overstepped some of the boundaries as far as protecting rights to private property are concerned. For every politician who believes that private enterprise is the only way out of the Philippine economic morass, there are also those that believe that there needs to at least be some form of social safety net. Getting back to the "Lina Law" though, we have to ask why the rest of Congress approved this too? Surely somebody would have raised a ruckus about the part about compensating squatters if they are to be removed. There may have been a little pandering on the law supporters' sides (and not just Lina) to a very large VOTING populace that also happens to be squatting.

Furthermore, redistribution of land or wealth is not a bad thing either. I'm all for redistribution. But there's a difference between seizure and compensation. For me, redistribution is more about the helping hand to give people an opportunity for growth (which amounts to a whole combination of conditions-- employment/education/equal access to jobs/government services/etc.), rather than outright property seizure (which the Lina Law pretty much is). Recognizing that most of the land in the Philippines is owned by a small minority, something needs to be done to open up opportunities for more people to own land cheaply. But if land is to be redistributed, the property owners need to be justly compensated for the redistribution (and not the other way around-- compensate the squatters to get them to move off the land). There's a lot that's topsy-turvy about the Lina Law.

Now I can't find the exact text of the law on the web. Do a search for RA 7279, otherwise known as the Urban Development and Housing Act of 1992. Like most republic acts, there are many sections to this law. The entire law is not all bad as it delineates certain duties of the HLURB (HOUSING AND LAND USE REGULATORY BOARD) and also makes provisions for socialized housing as part of development projects, which I think is a duty of a responsible government. RA 7279 seems to be an equitable development law that ensures that if there is development happening, more people should be the beneficiaries of the development (even if indirectly). It seems that the part about squatters needing to be compensated is the most objectionable part of this law. I don't care about squatter decriminalization-- people should not be penalized for being homeless. Squatting SHOULD be decriminalized. But surely, property owners need to have rights to land they rightfully own.

[stephencua]

^^^ i remember reading an editorial some years back about this law.. the editor said that it was approved in the middle of the night or something.. to avoid the inevitable ruckus if it was passed during regular hours..

anyways, i hope that by 2010 the philippines would be on the way to recovering from this nightmare of a political situation..

[Lili]

Being a left-leaning politician does not make a politician a bad one. But I do feel that Lina overstepped some of the boundaries as far as protecting rights to private property are concerned. For every politician who believes that private enterprise is the only way out of the Philippine economic morass, there are also those that believe that there needs to at least be some form of social safety net. Getting back to the "Lina Law" though, we have to ask why the rest of Congress approved this too? Surely somebody would have raised a ruckus about the part about compensating squatters if they are to be removed. There may have been a little pandering on the law supporters' sides (and not just Lina) to a very large VOTING populace that also happens to be squatting.

Furthermore, redistribution of land or wealth is not a bad thing either. I'm all for redistribution. But there's a difference between seizure and compensation. For me, redistribution is more about the helping hand to give people an opportunity for growth (which amounts to a whole combination of conditions-- employment/education/equal access to jobs/government services/etc.), rather than outright property seizure (which the Lina Law pretty much is). Recognizing that most of the land in the Philippines is owned by a small minority, something needs to be done to open up opportunities for more people to own land cheaply. But if land is to be redistributed, the property owners need to be justly compensated for the redistribution (and not the other way around-- compensate the squatters to get them to move off the land). There's a lot that's topsy-turvy about the Lina Law.

Now I can't find the exact text of the law on the web. Do a search for RA 7279, otherwise known as the Urban Development and Housing Act of 1992. Like most republic acts, there are many sections to this law. The entire law is not all bad as it delineates certain duties of the HLURB (HOUSING AND LAND USE REGULATORY BOARD) and also makes provisions for socialized housing as part of development projects, which I think is a duty of a responsible government. RA 7279 seems to be an equitable development law that ensures that if there is development happening, more people should be the beneficiaries of the development (even if indirectly). It seems that the part about squatters needing to be compensated is the most objectionable part of this law. I don't care about squatter decriminalization-- people should not be penalized for being homeless. Squatting SHOULD be decriminalized. But surely, property owners need to have rights to land they rightfully own.

I support the social justice provisions of our law. I believe in giving more in law to those who have less in life. But I also think that this should be done without impinging on the property rights of individuals which is a fundamental right in a capitalist democratic state because that is basically what the Philippines is. I agree that there was not just pandering but also political self-interest that happened in the Congress when this law was passed. Perhaps it was even a rider clause in the Republic Act that Mike cited. And considering that it was a midnight approval as @Stephen mentioned, it seems the circumstances surrounding the passage of that law was shady. I also would look into the timing of the passage if it was right before elections. I'm surprised no one had asked for a declaratory relief on that law. It is really onerous on the part of rightful property owners. Isn't squatting a form of trespassing but of a graver nature since it is not just temporary but with intent to stay and also theft and usurpation of real property? Isn't that criminal especially if there is knowledge that the property is owned by another? I would qualify though if the property appears to be abandoned or public property.

We might as well be a socialist state if individual property ownership and the rights appurtenant thereto are not going to be protected.

Thanks for the law citation Mike (boybaha). Hopefully, I will be able to find time to read up on that.

[tigidig14]

^:no: very sad, when was the law made

[bagel]

Oh what I mean by "squatting should be decriminalized" means they shouldn't go to jail for setting up a house in someone else's land. They should be moved off the land but if you're trying to take care of a family and you don't have a permanent house, you shouldn't be arrested for it. Something must be done--- I know we're cash strapped and all, but I think life is hard enough for urban poor. Things shouldn't be made any harder by arresting them for putting up corrugated metal shacks on private (or public) land.

[normandb]

yeah, mga shitty nuissance rallyists like these:
http://www.inq7.net/archive/2005/oct/15/index_image.jpg

kung maghanap nalang cla ng trabajo, im sure mayaman na cila by then!!

by 2010 college pa rin ang mga ito dahil di nakagraduate dahil sa welga at marami silang back subjects or worst case senario college drop out dahil sa welga. by 2010 marerealize nila kung gaano kahalaga ang pag-aaral kaysa pag sigaw sa kalye ng "Pabagsakin si Gloria, Tuta ng Kano". by 2010, excommunicado na ng vatican ang mga pari at obispo sa pilipinas dahil sa sobrang pamumulitika. by 2010, magkapiling na si Panday at Asiong Salongga sa kabilang buhay :D. by 2010, sana Prime Minister si Fidel V. Ramos.

[tigidig14]

Oh what I mean by "squatting should be decriminalized" means they shouldn't go to jail for setting up a house in someone else's land. They should be moved off the land but if you're trying to take care of a family and you don't have a permanent house, you shouldn't be arrested for it. Something must be done--- I know we're cash strapped and all, but I think life is hard enough for urban poor. Things shouldn't be made any harder by arresting them for putting up corrugated metal shacks on private (or public) land.

how bout if someone just occupied ur house while ur on vacation what would u do. sa pnas ha-nde d2 sa state because i know u mite reason up that it will never happen here.

[bagel]

I think that would be breaking and entering. The difference is that while you are technically breaking and entering when you set up a shanty on open land is that you're technically breaking a padlock to get into that house. You can also argue that it's technically breaking and entering to squat in someone's private property. You may be despoiling property or something if you set up a shanty but you're not really hurting anybody or destroying something...Yung lupa-- pag pabayaan, mababago naman ni mother nature. Now if you cut down some trees in your quest to put up a shanty or decide to throw chemical waste while squatting, that's different.

May awa naman ako sa kapwa kong Pilipino eh at alam ko na mahirap ang buhay. Doesn't give them the right to set up houses anywhere, but sometimes your hand is forced. Like I said, you the property owner should have the right to kick them off your land if they squat, but arresting them makes things even harder... at least send them on their way and hopefully they'll find a job and a legal way to live.

Actually nangyayari din yan dito sa isteyt. There have been many anti-homeless laws here in my town of Santa Cruz that I've been against and go to public hearings about.

[Lili]

Notwithstanding the repeal of the Anti-Squatting Law, there are still provisions in the Revised Penal Code that address trespass and usurpation of rights in real property. So, it can be criminal still if the situation covers all the necessary elements to constitute a crime. Say, if it's a dwelling or if I enclose the property with a fence and the person still invades the property without permission or takes possession and resists leaving with the use of violence and intimidation. The only thing is enforcement does not have as much teeth as when there was the Anti-Squatting Law. Ang hirap maging maka-tao. Marami rin kasing umaabuso.

[Lili]

by 2010 college pa rin ang mga ito dahil di nakagraduate dahil sa welga at marami silang back subjects or worst case senario college drop out dahil sa welga. by 2010 marerealize nila kung gaano kahalaga ang pag-aaral kaysa pag sigaw sa kalye ng "Pabagsakin si Gloria, Tuta ng Kano". by 2010, excommunicado na ng vatican ang mga pari at obispo sa pilipinas dahil sa sobrang pamumulitika. by 2010, magkapiling na si Panday at Asiong Salongga sa kabilang buhay :D. by 2010, sana Prime Minister si Fidel V. Ramos.

Eh mukha ngang ang tatanda na niyan nasa picture para maging college students pa rin. Kapal na nga nang bigote nung isa at saka may middle age bilbil na. By 2010, baka pari at obispo na nang Pinas ang magpapatakbo sa Vatican dahil kakaunti na lang ang mga paring puti.

[paulkrps]

Eh mukha ngang ang tatanda na niyan nasa picture para maging college students pa rin. Kapal na nga nang bigote nung isa at saka may middle age bilbil na. By 2010, baka pari at obispo na nang Pinas ang magpapatakbo sa Vatican dahil kakaunti na lang ang mga paring puti.

baka di rin pwede dahil di papayag yung iba dahil walang paglagyan ng last supper, malalaking kutsara at tinidor ang vatican, bawal ang mga balikbayan boxes, tsaka di sanay sila ng psst.
:D :D :D :D

[tigidig14]

^there’s nothing wrong being in college in a later age at least they’re doing something fruitful in their life. im 23 still in college that was because, I guess, I made a wrong move and serve first, but still it isn’t excuse for me to stop pursuing what I wanted even though everyone in my family had finished before I did.

picture looks like theyre having fun btw :lol:, yung isa nadulas pa, yung cnasabi mong balbas alvarado

[Lili]

baka di rin pwede dahil di papayag yung iba dahil walang paglagyan ng last supper, malalaking kutsara at tinidor ang vatican, bawal ang mga balikbayan boxes, tsaka di sanay sila ng psst.
:D :D :D :D

:LOL: grabe ang humor mo! Puede rin Psst be with you! :nocrook:

[tigidig14]

nakakaintindi daw clang tawaging: POGI

[Lili]

Now I can't find the exact text of the law on the web. Do a search for RA 7279, otherwise known as the Urban Development and Housing Act of 1992. Like most republic acts, there are many sections to this law. The entire law is not all bad as it delineates certain duties of the HLURB (HOUSING AND LAND USE REGULATORY BOARD) and also makes provisions for socialized housing as part of development projects, which I think is a duty of a responsible government. RA 7279 seems to be an equitable development law that ensures that if there is development happening, more people should be the beneficiaries of the development (even if indirectly). It seems that the part about squatters needing to be compensated is the most objectionable part of this law. I don't care about squatter decriminalization-- people should not be penalized for being homeless. Squatting SHOULD be decriminalized. But surely, property owners need to have rights to land they rightfully own.

I just read the law RA 7279 and it's not as bad as I first thought. There is no unjust taking of private property since expropriation proceedings will be instituted for idle lands and there are exemptions on residential lands owned by small property-owners or those subject to litigation. There is still due process involved. Moreover, it does not condone professional squatting and squatting syndicates which remain criminal activities under its provisions. While evictions or demolitions are discouraged, there are certain exceptions such as when persons or entitities occupy danger areas as esteros, railroad tracks, garbage dumps, riverbanks, waterways, shoreline and other public places such as sidewalks, roads, park and playgrounds; when government infrastructure projects with available funding are about to be implemented, or; when there is a court order for eviction and demolition. Provision for relocation is not for the private citizen to undertake but for the local government unit concerned and the NHA.

It really pays to read the law. I have a change of heart now and believe that it is a good law with adequate protections for both the haves and the have nots.

[Lili]

^there’s nothing wrong being in college in a later age at least they’re doing something fruitful in their life. im 23 still in college that was because, I guess, I made a wrong move and serve first, but still it isn’t excuse for me to stop pursuing what I wanted even though everyone in my family had finished before I did.

picture looks like theyre having fun btw :lol:, yung isa nadulas pa, yung cnasabi mong balbas alvarado

@Tigs, where did you serve-- Munti? No kidding aside. Where Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force, Brat Camp (this one's a joke)?

[tigidig14]

Bratz camp

[bagel]

Lili-- did you read about that law on the web or did you find it elsewhere? I'd like to see the text myself.

[Lili]

I got it from the web. Let me see if I can retrace it and give you the link Mike. Wait. Here try this www.gov.ph/laws/ra7279.pdf

[xDieselJockx]

I just read the law RA 7279 and it's not as bad as I first thought. There is no unjust taking of private property since expropriation proceedings will be instituted for idle lands and there are exemptions on residential lands owned by small property-owners or those subject to litigation. There is still due process involved. Moreover, it does not condone professional squatting and squatting syndicates which remain criminal activities under its provisions. While evictions or demolitions are discouraged, there are certain exceptions such as when persons or entitities occupy danger areas as esteros, railroad tracks, garbage dumps, riverbanks, waterways, shoreline and other public places such as sidewalks, roads, park and playgrounds; when government infrastructure projects with available funding are about to be implemented, or; when there is a court order for eviction and demolition. Provision for relocation is not for the private citizen to undertake but for the local government unit concerned and the NHA.

It really pays to read the law. I have a change of heart now and believe that it is a good law with adequate protections for both the haves and the have nots.

Yep, sure do. I'm glad someone is as smart as you are lili-poo, you are the best. Too bad, I don't know if you are still available (well, i'm not either,just for teh time being..LOL) I like smart women .... :nocrook:

[bustero]

The minutae betrays the problems with Law. All sorts of unintended and intended ocnsequences occur. If you read the original energy deregulation law you would not have found anything wrong with it except for one line stating that only companies with exising franchises could operate electrical utilities. This single line negated the whole law by making only two groups capable of participating in the NPC privatization. The insertion was pushed by Aboitiz through their attack dog osmena, who sat on it through 3 administrations. Same with 7279 and with the law decriminalizing squatters.(separate law) The burden is placed on the person who did not commit any infraction. While this simple concept is seemingly benign the practical matter is that even government now spends enourmous amounts of money claiming public lands set up for utilites (e.g. simple right of way for trains or UP trying to kick out profesional squatters who come every other month). Also as can be seen in the article below, how exaclty will small landowners , get all that money and kick out a squatter.

I've had practical first hand dealings with squatters and property owners. There are some very poor property owners who really can not afford to have a case to kick a squatter out. Now I don't know about the semantics of decriminalization , one should really look more to the penalties and it's operability. e.g. bouncing checks are still criminal but not subject to a jail term. But I do not see how taking someone elses property (simple theft) is not bad (If the US will push for putting people who watch pirated videos to go to jail, which is the greater crime). This deprives people of whatever they or their parents have worked for. Now some will say that the the poor should enjoy more leniency because of their situation , but this is a wash , because in a situation where there is no incentive to have your own belongings since someone else can take it there is no point in becoming richer (the very basis of failure of communism). Hence a vicious cycle develops. I do not agree with decriminalization of squatter as can obviously be seen above,but on a practical basis the fact is nobody ever really spent a long time in jail because of squatting. Authorities recognize the situation and make adjustments for it But at least there is teeth in protecting your property. Taking it out is just one more step you need to protect your basic right to own anything. I find it absurd that someone who steals your cellphone or your video goes to jail but someone who takes your land by occupying hence takes your right to use or rent it out (remember space and time are valuable in real estate this is a real loss) or what must first be proven to be a squatter in court before you have to pay a sheriff to use the law on them! I think the simple fear of beeing label a criminal really should be a good deterent.

I'm not against redistribution per se. It's obvious that many rich people sit on property which can be used for the greater good, but squatting is not a fair way to redistribute as it is a defacto way of redistribution right now.

[ryanr]

Too bad, I don't know if you are still available (well, i'm not either,just for teh time being..LOL) I like smart women .... :nocrook:

:lol: wow...the power of SSC. Brings people together:D

Btw...i didnt know anything about that Lina Law. How pathetic...its just the dumbest law ever. How did it get passed into the legislation?

[bustero]

Can't seem to paste the article but you can link it here/
http://www.manilatimes.net/others/special/2004/oct/12/20041012spe1.html

[bustero]

:lol: wow...the power of SSC. Brings people together:D

Btw...i didnt know anything about that Lina Law. How pathetic...its just the dumbest law ever. How did it get passed into the legislation?

With the best of intentions and the most subverted of agendas...

[tigidig14]

Can't seem to paste the article but you can link it here/
http://www.manilatimes.net/others/special/2004/oct/12/20041012spe1.html

cguro c lina, taga squater dati kaya nya nai-appeal to, pero i dont get that how did it get approve. lagay lang naman kapalit sa'tin ookey na ang pamahalaan eh,

[Lili]

Hmmm... it would seem that notwithstanding all the good intentions in changing the law, it has resulted in an incongruous application where the burden has shifted to the individuals or entities who did not commit any transgression. Perhaps what the landowners are guilty of is negligence in asserting their ownership and possessory rights in a timely manner. Still, as Bustero mentioned they had lost teeth in protecting their properties.

What about the provisions of the Revised Penal Code on trespassing and usurpation of rights in real property, are those still in effect or have those been repealed also? Just the same, the burden will be on those asserting the elements of the crime/s and adjudication is still necessary to proceed with a civil case for ejectment or eviction. Very costly and litigious. Tsk. Tsk. I am hoping they did not create a Frankenstein.

Thanks for explaining the repercussions and practical implication of the law @Bustero.

[Lili]

Yep, sure do. I'm glad someone is as smart as you are lili-poo, you are the best. Too bad, I don't know if you are still available (well, i'm not either,just for teh time being..LOL) I like smart women .... :nocrook:

Thanks xDieselJockx, I'm flattered. I just don't know what the year 2010 holds for us. :nocrook:

[Sinjin P.]

2010 Revolutionary and Evolutionary Development of the Philippines

[paulkrps]

2010 Revolutionary and Evolutionary Development of the Philippines

neanderthals and katipuneros in a development summit perhaps?
:speech: :speech: :speech: :speech: :speech:

[Lili]

^ That explains it. I wanted @sinjin to elaborate.

[paulkrps]

sana naman a century hence, desidido na tayo kung parliamentary o ano.

[sedna]

2010 turnover of SOHO. :laugh::laugh:

[tigidig14]

What soho, here in state, in malaysia, or in pnas. elaborate aling sedna pls

[Sinjin P.]

^ That explains it. I wanted @sinjin to elaborate.

elaborate what? :)

[Lili]

^^This: 2010 Revolutionary and Evolutionary Development of the Philippines

But really, no need to. :)

[Sinjin P.]

@2010, I hope the exchange rate would be back to that P39-40 level or even better. :)

[kiretoce]

Bump! :colgate:

[marites4]

Well you must have a goal no matter how ambitious it is. We must aim high.

[MarkiiBoi]

libre din naman kasi mangarap. :D

[MyNameIsJonathan]

Ay naku. don't worry. Our time will come :)

[Lili]

Should the selection be one to the exclusion of the others? Can I choose all?

[kiretoce]

Bump! :colgate: Thought that this would be an appropriate thread to post this article.


The Philippines by 2040
Philippine News, Apr 12, 2006

The Philippine population is expected to hit more than 140 million by 2040, up from 76.5 million at the turn of this century, the country’s National Statistics Office said in a recent report. Best estimates place our motherland’s population at about 80 million this year.

The present figure already places the Philippines under the category of a large country, if not in area then certainly in terms of number of citizens.

But 140 million? That’s a lot of people in any language. That is roughly the population of the entire U.S. around the time of World War II.

That directly translates to 140 million mouths that need to be fed every day, who also need decent housing to live in, and sufficient clothing to protect them from the country’s fickle weather.

It can be a difficult number to fathom. One hundred forty million individuals who call themselves Filipinos, doing their best to survive in a country about the size of a typical midwestern state. How? In the mid ‘60s, there were only some 30 million Filipinos, but even with the diaspora that began in the decade that followed the population grew unabated. The term frequently used back then was “population explosion.” There were too many Filipinos being born in a country that while rich in resources still remained underdeveloped. Backward even.

For whatever reasons – its feudalistic socio-political system is as good a reason as any for the country’s lack of true progress – the per capita income was either stagnant, or worse, shrank throughout the decades that followed.

Think of it. Unless there is some global cataclysm, the nation that we call home will have a population of 140 million by 2040.

What kind of country will they be living in by then? It can be a scary thought, but it need not be. Ask any economist, ask any sociologist. Inherently, there is nothing wrong with having 140 million people living in a relatively small area. In fact, it can even be advantageous.

Look at China today, with a population in excess of one billion. A mere decade or so ago, China was still a poor country. Today, it is fast becoming an economic superpower. The quality of life of its people improves by leaps and bounds, practically every day. The country progresses because of its huge population, not inspite of it.

The same is true of India, another state with a humungous population. India, too, was dirt poor not too long ago. Today, this nation dares strive for developed world status.

A large population means two things that can be factors in speedy development. One, it is a large and potent market for goods and services created internally, or imported from outside. And two, it is a source of precious manpower so necessary for advancement, whether agriculture or industrial-based.

Seen in this light, the Philippines should be able to leapfrog to developed world status by 2040, courtesy of the huge and hopefully productive workforce culled from the 140 million population.

Only one ingredient is missing.

That missing link to a bright future is a political leadership totally committed to advance the nation’s cause. It must be a leadership that knows the strengths of the country, and takes advantage of it, and also knows the weakness of the people, and reduces this to the minimum. That collective political leadership must also willingly follow one able and selfless leader with a vision.

Such is the tragedy of the Philippines. It has never produced the equivalent of Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew, or South Korea’s Park Chung Hee, or Malaysia’s Dr. Mohamed Mahathir. All these leaders had their imperfections, to be sure, but taking care of their family’s and cronies’ needs did not take precedence to national development. The welfare of their people always came first.

Under a best-case scenario, the Philippines will finally be able to move from its present developing nation status, to developed country by 2040. The overwhelming majority of its 140 million strong populace will be living decent, productive and peaceful lives.

Worst case? We shudder to think about it. If the majority of the 140 million Filipinos by the year 2040 are poor, hopeless and depressed, then anarchy will be the order of the day. The motherland as we know it could cease to exist.

[marites4]

EVen if it's a developed country with 140 million people given its size it would still make for an uncomfortable and expensive country to live in. Just look at Japan with the pop. of 120 million and they're bigger than us. You'd be lucky if you get to live in a box.

[manileño]

does anyone have a copy of Jose Rizal's "Filipinas: Dentro de Cien Años"? (the Philippines: Within a 100 years)? It will be interesting to know all the prophecies he had made for his country and check if any of them were realized in this century.

[JAMAICUS]

^^ CHECK THIS OUT : http://www.members.tripod.com/rizalslifewritings/Writings/Other/centuryhence.htm

[manileño]

^^ hihihi. thats a long read.. Will leave it to the academicians to digest and analyze later on in this thread. :D thanks Jamaicus!

[JAMAICUS]

^^ Well, it is a 1 hour read if you will print it. Try it out. :)

[JAMAICUS]

I would like to quote from Dentro Cien Anos :

Scarcely had they been attached to the Spanish crown than they had sustained with their blood and the efforts of their sons the wars and ambitions, and conquest of the Spanish people, and in these struggles, in that terrible crisis when a people changes its form of government, its laws, usages, customs, religion and beliefs; the Philippines was depopulated, impoverished and retarded -- caught in their metamorphosis without confidence in their past, without faith in their present and with no fond home of the years to come. The former rulers who had merely endeavored to secure the fear and submission of their subjects, habituated by them to servitude, fell like leaves from a dead tree, and the people, who had no love for them nor knew what liberty was, easily changed masters, perhaps hoping to gain something by the innovation.


Then began a new era for the Filipinos. They gradually lost their ancient traditions, their recollections, -- they forgot their writings, their songs, their poetry, their laws in order to learn by heart other doctrines, which they did not understand, other ethics, other tastes, different from those inspired in their race by their climate and their way of thinking. Then there was a falling-off, they were lowered in their own eyes, they became ashamed of what was distinctively their own, in order to admire and praise that was foreign and incomprehensible; their spirit was broken and they acquiesced.

A prediction of Dr.Rizal that already happened. The American era as the new era of foreign praises!

[OtAkAw]

I'm ethnically Chinese!

BITCH!

jk!

I ain't a "she", I'm a "he"! SO call me DOG and not BITCH! jk! :)

[xDieselJockx]

Yikes...sounds so believable. What happens if they are able to extract hydrogen fuel from the depths of the Philippine trench? And when most of the world's fossil fuels are depleted?

Why hey, you can use hydrogen fuel as an alternative to gasoline. The Philippines would all a sudden be self-sufficient. If the Philippines turned into one of the wealthiest nation in the world. They will be truely proud of themselves.

[ReDeYEs]

Still a group of islands in the Pacific, unless global warming marches on unchecked and the polar ice melts, sea levels will rise, then the Philippines will become mere out croppings of rocks. Was that too gloomy an outlook?

I wonder how many islands will there be..lol 1,000? Hopefully the Philippines will still be intact in the near future. Just hope it doesn't dissolve into separate and sovereign countries/states.

[Lili]

I would like to quote from Dentro Cien Anos :



A prediction of Dr.Rizal that already happened. The American era as the new era of foreign praises!

Why are you applying that only to the "Americanization" of the Philppines? That actually pertains to the Hispanization of the Philippines.

[xDieselJockx]

hi there lili, we meet again < twisting his front hair like elvis, wearing a goofy smile
e too<

he he


that quote was really very fitting in that other thread about the revival of the spanish language...

[Lili]

This is very telling --- Rizal's twist of fate.

"Very likely the Philippines will defend with inexpressible valor the liberty secured at the price of so much blood and sacrifice. With the new men that will spring from their soil and with the recollection of their past, they will perhaps strife to enter freely upon the wide road of progress, and all will labor together to strengthen their fatherland, both internally and externally, with the same enthusiasm, with which a youth falls again to tilling the land of his ancestors who long wasted and abandoned through the neglect of those who have withheld it from him. Then the mines will be made to give up their gold for relieving distress, iron for weapons, copper, lead, and coal. Perhaps the country will revive the maritime and mercantile life for which the islanders are fitted by their nature, ability and instincts, and once more free, like the bird that leaves its cage, like the flower that unfolds to the air, will recover the pristine virtues that are gradually dying out and will again become addicted to peace -- cheerful, happy, joyous, hospitable and daring.

These and many other things may come to pass within something like a hundred years, but the most logical prognostication, the prophecy based on the best probabilities, may err through remote and insignificant causes:.... Upon what chance accidents will the destiny of the Philippines depend?.

Nevertheless, it is not well to trust to accident, for there is sometimes an imperceptible and incomprehensible logic in the workings of history. Fortunately, peoples as well as governments are subjects to it."

[Rajah_Soliman]

The current president of ASEAN which rotates among the different countries is now President Gloria Aquino Marcos a scion of the two political clans from the previous century who had a high profile career as a talk show host after being a c grade actress while winning the Miss Universe contest. She never finished high school but looks good on tv anyway.

what will happen to the Estrada and Poe's clan a hundred years hence?...pls. continue.......bitin eh!

[Lili]

hi there lili, we meet again < twisting his front hair like elvis, wearing a goofy smile
e too<

he he


that quote was really very fitting in that other thread about the revival of the spanish language...

Hi Diesel,

Yes, it is. But I don't feel like engaging the learned Señor JosePepe just yet since it's Holy Week. I am sure he will have a retort to that.

Hihi... how I'd love to see that Elvis look and goofy smile of yours. :lol:

[xDieselJockx]

me scared again!!!!! I didn't say I look like Elvis ya know?? (heck I hope not either, that's creepy, too morbid for me...)

josepepe seems to be a real wide reader and intelligent, I don't know why he won't use his gifted talent in something more constructive and productive. He thinks Spanish will move the Philippines forward, for all I know, only his bowel is moved ....ROFL

[Lili]

^^ :rofl:

By the way, I'm actually fond of Señor JosePepe, too. :)

[JAMAICUS]

Why are you applying that only to the "Americanization" of the Philppines? That actually pertains to the Hispanization of the Philippines.

Well, there are similarities. We lost some of our unique Philipo-Hisphanic culture we have.

[Lili]

Hispanism being distinctively our own? It will lead us to a roundabout discussion again that is already going on in the Spanish language and national identity discussions. Back to square one.

[JAMAICUS]

^^Ano? I was just airing my grievance of Philippine foreign praise! I don't want any academic debate.

[Lili]

Got it. No academic debate coming from me. :okay:

[marites4]

kelan?

[evangelistik]

It's all in the mentality.

The Philippines isn't ready to get rich, yet.

[tigidig14]

pagnabuksan na yung T3

[evangelistik]

Don't be so pessimistic, Tigs!

:rofl:

[Askal82]

pagnabuksan na yung T3

By the time it opens, the world already have spaceports.

[kunoL8]

By the time it opens, the world already have spaceports.

haha! :rofl:

[lochinvar]

Mayaman ang Pilipinas, kaya lamang ang yaman ay nasa bulsa ng 1% ng mga Filipino. Sila ang namamahala sa pagpapakalbo ng ating forest. Sila ang namamahala sa minahan. Sa lahat ng bagay sila ang namamahala. Pagkatapos ay bibigyan nila ng tig-sisingko ang mga mangagawa. Pagka inabutan ng erosion ang mga taong bayan ang masasabi lamang nila ay, "Manigas kayo."

[SNT1]

just get rid of nangungurakot government officals (i.e. most of them) and phils will be somewhat rich :O

[DoggMann]

out numbered lang tayo ng mga walang pakialam, gahaman, sakim, walang disiplina at mga hindi nagiisip ng kinabukasan... :D

pero kung lilinisin ang pilipinas ng mga ganitong klaseng tao... napakayaman natin! :D

[marites4]

medyo nga, pano kaya malilines ang pilipinas ng mga ganitong klaseng tao. any ideas?

[amigo32]

do a catering service in the senate, at lasunin mo sila!
my bad. hehehe

[Askal82]

^^^ :lol: I heard GMA got food poisoning or something.

[marites4]

do a catering service in the senate, at lasunin mo sila!
my bad. hehehe
pwede ka bang mag volunteer?

[c0kelitr0]

the philippines is rich...the distribution of wealth is just not even...kasi many people choose to complain all the time and rally on the streets instead of working their asses off...they're too stupid to rely on the government to work for them...tingnan nyo sa mga squatter area, umaga pa lang nag-iinuman na yung mga tao instead of working; mga walang diskarte sa buhay...ang dami kong kakilala who were really very very poor but dahil sa pagsisikap, yumaman... case in point: Henry Sy.
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if you're poor, use your talent...magsikap ka...don't buy alcohol when you can't even afford to buy food...wag mag-anak ng marami, nandamay ka pa ng mga bata... :scouserd:

[amigo32]

the philippines is rich...the distribution of wealth is just not even...kasi many people choose to complain all the time and rally on the streets instead of working their asses off...they're too stupid to rely on the government to work for them...tingnan nyo sa mga squatter area, umaga pa lang nag-iinuman na yung mga tao instead of working; mga walang diskarte sa buhay...ang dami kong kakilala who were really very very poor but dahil sa pagsisikap, yumaman... case in point: Henry Sy.
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if you're poor, use your talent...magsikap ka...don't buy alcohol when you can't even afford to buy food...wag mag-anak ng marami, nandamay ka pa ng mga bata... :scouserd:


sobrang yaman naman ng kakilala mo :)

ako meron akong high school classmate, working student sya from first year til he graduated in college, ngayon accountant na sa isang shipping company sa cebu.

[c0kelitr0]

^^ hahahaha... example lang! :lol:
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that's exactly what i am talking about...kids these days don't go to school anymore...look at the malls?? puro mga estudyante na naka uniform! jesus christ, kids should be banned from the malls during school hours...how are they suppose to prepare themselves for college...or get a scholarship kung puro lang lakwatsa? and then, they'd complain about their hardship because they have not finished school and eventually blame the government? :bash:

[amigo32]

I really like this
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do to your country" by JFK

[kunoL8]

the philippines is rich...the distribution of wealth is just not even...kasi many people choose to complain all the time and rally on the streets instead of working their asses off...they're too stupid to rely on the government to work for them...tingnan nyo sa mga squatter area, umaga pa lang nag-iinuman na yung mga tao instead of working; mga walang diskarte sa buhay...ang dami kong kakilala who were really very very poor but dahil sa pagsisikap, yumaman... case in point: Henry Sy.
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if you're poor, use your talent...magsikap ka...don't buy alcohol when you can't even afford to buy food...wag mag-anak ng marami, nandamay ka pa ng mga bata... :scouserd:

this is so true. masyadong prominent ang inequality sa wealth distribution. the rich is getting richer and the poor, well, is getting poorer. it also doesn't help na masyadong nag-popropagate and corruption sa gov't. instead of funds going to infrastructure development, education, etc. it just slips into some politician's pocket. yung mga rallysists rin. dahil rally sila ng rally, nag-dedeclare tuloy ng state of emergency which doesn't help the country's economy at all. it scares current investors from investing more and potential/future investors from bringing in money to the economy.

[marites4]

alam na natin ang problema.
so far ang solusyon para yumaman ang pilipinas
wag maganak ng madame
i ban ang mga estudyante sa malls
at lasunen ang mga senado.

[amigo32]

hehehehe, seryoso sa brainstorming si marites.

[FlowFlow]

Make tax evaders taxpayers

[qt_jhen528]

Ung mga mahihirap wag na mag anak ng marami dapat ung kaya lang nila bigyan ng desenteng buhay. Ung mayayaman namn dapat mag anak ng marami since they have the capabilty na bigyan ng magandang buhay mga anak nila. Responsible parenting ang kailangan. Para namn mag improve ang ratio ng mayayaman sa mahihirap. Tsaka kung ng Pilipino 2lad ng mga forumers d2 sigurado yayamana tau...lolzz

[tigidig14]

hwag ituon ang lahat ng oras manuod ng tsismis tungkol sa mga artista

[marites4]

sige ilista niyo pa. ilang dekada na nakadaan hindi pa ren tayo umuunlad ng nararapat sa lake ng populasyon naten.

[sandrin]

hanggang lumalaki ang populasyon, hindi uunlad ang Pilipinas.

kung talagang sincere ang Catholic Church sa moralidad ng mga Pinoy, bakit hindi nila IPASARA yung mga Motel dyan na ginagamit ng mga kadiri at "horny" na mga kabataang pinoy sa paggawa ng bata at pagtaksil sa kanilang mga asawa. Dapat SUNUGIN ang mga motel dyan sa Pinas. SUNUGIN!!!!!

[qt_jhen528]

kelangan umpisahan sa sarili, karamihan kasi sa mga Pilipino d disiplinado. Un na nga lang mga traffic regulation d natin sinusunod at ung mga simpleng kung saan tatawid sa kalsada or san mag aabang ng sasakyan d pa natin masunod. Tigan nyo na lang along edsa kung d pa babakuran ng pink fences ung sidewalk d tau tatawid sa tama, puro na lang reklamo ginagawa natin. D nmn tayo mga hayop na dapat pang bakuran, dapat magkusa tayo. Pero ang nakakapagtaka pag dating sa ibang bansa masunurin nmn tau.

[mygz14]

Mayaman ang Pilipinas...Kaso, hindi evenly distributed and wealth. Saka mayaman tayo sa mga kurakot...hahaha...

[sandrin]

mayaman din sa paggawa ng bata ang mgas unggoy

[3cr]

Pansin niyo ba that the church is always at its best/strongest in poor and suffering countries? Guess they can influence GMA kasi ang gobyerno naman ang dapat magpasara ng mga iyan hindi ang Catholic church mismo since they don't have the authority, only influence. Kaso nga lang corrupt ang ating gobyerno at kinukunsinte ng mga opisyales ang mga ito at siguro malaki ang mga kick-back nakukuha nila sa mga operators.

kung talagang sincere ang Catholic Church sa moralidad ng mga Pinoy, bakit hindi nila IPASARA yung mga Motel dyan na ginagamit ng mga kadiri at "horny" na mga kabataang pinoy sa paggawa ng bata at pagtaksil sa kanilang mga asawa. Dapat SUNUGIN ang mga motel dyan sa Pinas. SUNUGIN!!!!!

[kunoL8]

^^ hahahaha... example lang! :lol:
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that's exactly what i am talking about...kids these days don't go to school anymore...look at the malls?? puro mga estudyante na naka uniform! jesus christ, kids should be banned from the malls during school hours...how are they suppose to prepare themselves for college...or get a scholarship kung puro lang lakwatsa? and then, they'd complain about their hardship because they have not finished school and eventually blame the government? :bash:

i don't think the government's putting enough money to improve the public school system which i think factors into why kids aren't really interested in attending class and ditching it to have more fun at the mall. i seriously think that if the govt. improves the public schools and its facilities, students will think twice about ditching class. as for private schools naman, well, based on experience, there's usually a mentality na "rely-nalang-ako-kay-mommy-and-daddy" or "for-sure-naman-hire-ako-ni-daddy-sa-company-niya-so-no-worries." ewan ko, baka sa high school ko lang. :bash: :)

[kunoL8]

Pansin niyo ba that the church is always at its best/strongest in poor and suffering countries? Guess they can influence GMA kasi ang gobyerno naman ang dapat magpasara ng mga iyan hindi ang Catholic church mismo since they don't have the authority, only influence. Kaso nga lang corrupt ang ating gobyerno at kinukunsinte ng mga opisyales ang mga ito at siguro malaki ang mga kick-back nakukuha nila sa mga operators.

dapat gayahin nila america, church and state should be separated. the church shouldn't meddle into govt. affairs. they should focus on improving/maintaining the spiritual well-being of the country's citizens. as for the population issue, they should consider that this is the modern times and the birth rate is getting out of control. it isn't practical anymore to not use birth control. sure, using birth control may be against their teachings and beliefs but they should also consider that the rising birth rate isn't doing anything for the phils. except lead more people into poverty.

[_zner_]

diba sabi ni gloria by 2046, first world country na yung Pinas? or joke time lang yun ni Gloria? :lol:

[DoggMann]

hanggang lumalaki ang populasyon, hindi uunlad ang Pilipinas.

kung talagang sincere ang Catholic Church sa moralidad ng mga Pinoy, bakit hindi nila IPASARA yung mga Motel dyan na ginagamit ng mga kadiri at "horny" na mga kabataang pinoy sa paggawa ng bata at pagtaksil sa kanilang mga asawa. Dapat SUNUGIN ang mga motel dyan sa Pinas. SUNUGIN!!!!!

sandrin, bakit napapnsin ko galit ka sa horny ... galit ka ba sa 99.9% ng pinoy? :D :clown:

[richpol]

three years ago, there was a prediction saying that there will be a huge oil discovery in the Philippines by 2006 and this will make it one of the richest nations in asia. sana magkatotoo. ito nalang ang pagkakataon natin hehe. :D lalo na mataas ang presyo ng crudo.

[WawaY[625]]

naghuhukay na nga ako ngayon sa likod ng bahay namin eh..baka may oil...............

[tigidig14]

throw your own garbage on your own kaing, throw whatever garbage laying around that kaing; and then, you throw your own kaing when the garbage truck comes. secondly, you better make sure, you watch the whole session that the garbage men gets your kaing. Don't be just leaving them out there, thats not the garbage people's fault; and all of a sudden, they decided not to take your kaing. And bring your kaing back to your house when the garbage people dont take them. again, dont be leaving your kaing out there, garbage people are not psychic, they throw kaing back like a reflex. make sure you tell them if you want your kaing, back or not. furthermore, dont be taking someone elses kaing because that kaing is much cleanlier than your kaing, no one likes keeping kaing, jeez

[kim1001]

I really like this
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do to your country" by JFK

i totally agree..
that's one of my fave quotes

[kim1001]

when people would start to patronize more of our own products..
maybe the philippines would start going on to the right direction

[tigidig14]

patronizing is not the case, supply and demand. and apparently, chinese product prevails in terms of divisoria :lol:

[kunoL8]

yeah i agree with tigs. it's not that filipinos patronize foreign goods, it's just that most of the things that we need, excluding food, are from other countries. take electronics as an example. i don't think there are local companies that manufacture cameras, tv's, dvd players, etc. :)

[marites4]

then they need to start manufacturing them. household items such as rice cooker, electric fans washing machines are always made in Korea. Isn't there a conception owned company who manufacture acs.
Koreans employed this concept in the 80s of only patronizing korean products and was successful in lifting their economy .

[LordCarnal]

My opinion is,

The Philippines would really be a prosperous country if wealth is equally distributed. We can start by again going to the basic argument of decentralization not just of government but also of the concentration of the country's economy.

Power hungry politicians should also stop dividing existing cities into two smaller cities, or a small province into an even smaller provinces for the same old argument of "making the delivery of services and goods more efficient and faster".. Kulang nalang, the country would be divided into smaller countries.

An impediment also to progress is regionalism given the fact perhaps that the country speaks many languages?

In more than one year of being in SSC, I've seen how divided this country really is with so many threads in the Philippines Subforum that looks as if they were competing with each other to the point that it functions as if it were from a "separate" country. To make matters worst, some forumers also go beyond the norms by attacking other forums when in fact these just belong to a single Philippine Subforum.

Unless the country unites together, it will never be a prosperous country, not even in a hundred years.

[marites4]

bakit simpleng obeying traffic laws , disposing of garbage in proper receptacle can't be followed when sa ibang bansa this is unheard of. Tignan mo na lang everyyear me baha kase laging nababarahan ang drainage alam nila a ng cause pero every year ganon pa ren ang nangyayare. Me topak ba mga pinoy sa ulo?

[LordCarnal]

^^

you're right there... simple following of rules...

[tigidig14]

My opinion is,

The Philippines would really be a prosperous country if wealth is equally distributed..
:lol: maging left wing communist na lang

[kim1001]

then they need to start manufacturing them. household items such as rice cooker, electric fans washing machines are always made in Korea. Isn't there a conception owned company who manufacture acs.
Koreans employed this concept in the 80s of only patronizing korean products and was successful in lifting their economy .

i guess one of the reasons why the philippines is one of the third world countries is because we rely too much on other nations for manufacture since we don't (but not necessarily can't) have our own..

[tigidig14]

. Tignan mo na lang everyyear me baha kase laging nababarahan ang drainage alam nila a ng cause pero every year ganon pa ren ang nangyayare. Me topak ba mga pinoy sa ulo?
i realized that if youre closer to rivers or any water portions, your probabality of having "baha" is really high, it always happens here down south illinois and even downtown chicago regardless if their drainage is clogged up or not.

[marites4]

^ oo pero pag nakikita mo yung dinedredge ng mmda yearly, sa mga drainage at pumping station mamamangha ka.

[tigidig14]

I saw that in dateline pnas, they acquiring and proposing to get have our govn to buy those special organism that can devour poopers or any organic material in able to make our river be pleasantly smelling nature. although, they emphasize over and over that plastic and tire needs be to remove because those organism doesnt eat plastic or like rubbers :rofl:

[oz.fil]

three years ago, there was a prediction saying that there will be a huge oil discovery in the Philippines by 2006 and this will make it one of the richest nations in asia. sana magkatotoo. ito nalang ang pagkakataon natin hehe. :D lalo na mataas ang presyo ng crudo.

yehs, but remember 'Money is the root of ALL EVIL' we just need enuff to boost our economy and get our people out of the slums for good!!!

[amigo32]

when people would start to patronize more of our own products..
maybe the philippines would start going on to the right direction

Pinoy muna bago foreign. When I go to the supermarket I always check first locally made products. Example sa toothpaste meron tayong hapee toothpaste, yun ang binibili ko. okay naman ang quality eh. Iniisip ko kasi yung natutulungang empleyado pag yun ang binili ko. Kung wala saka ako mag hanap ng ibang brand pero dito pa rin gawa. Colgate kung gawang Makati, puede na.

[amigo32]

I saw that in dateline pnas, they acquiring and proposing to get have our govn to buy those special organism that can devour poopers or any organic material in able to make our river be pleasantly smelling nature. although, they emphasize over and over that plastic and tire needs be to remove because those organism doesnt eat plastic or like rubbers :rofl:

dapat may special organism din gustong kumain ng rubber at plastic :) :) :)

[jbkayaker12]

this is so true. masyadong prominent ang inequality sa wealth distribution. the rich is getting richer and the poor, well, is getting poorer. it also doesn't help na masyadong nag-popropagate and corruption sa gov't. instead of funds going to infrastructure development, education, etc. it just slips into some politician's pocket. yung mga rallysists rin. dahil rally sila ng rally, nag-dedeclare tuloy ng state of emergency which doesn't help the country's economy at all. it scares current investors from investing more and potential/future investors from bringing in money to the economy.

Alam mo pareho din dito sa America, Congress and local politicians are generous when it comes to giving themselves pay raises but when it comes to the very same people who are paying their wages, the taxpayers, they are stingy. Hehehehe! Although here in the United States, if you work hard you can be successful and rich in your lifetime. :)

[kunoL8]

^^ you have to admit though that at least even if they're also somehow corrupt here, at least they give back more than enough to their citizens . kasi sa pilipinas they also give back to the country but what they give is not enough. if you're gonna steal money from the govt., might as well be discreet right? haha.

[jbkayaker12]

^^^Filipinos in the Philippines need not depend on the government all the time. Kailangan sikap at tiyaga kasama ang disiplina it also helps to know what they want in life hindi puro anak na lang ng anak na parang mga baboy!

Parents should have the well being of their children in mind. Either be like them or better than them!

[JustHorace]

Sa observations ko lang...mukhang nag-iimprove naman ang Pinas eh. I saw an increase of the following:
a) House construction (in both middle class and upper class residential areas)
b) traffic (and newer car models...and an increase in the number of non-Japanese cars)
c) infrastructure projects (from NAIA to Northrail, SLEX to SRP, and new big airports...we're spending big-time)
d) shopping malls (SM vows to open 3 malls every year, so does Robinsons | Ayala starts to build more malls (M2, TriNoMa, Promenade at FBGC, Greenbelt 5))
e) redevelopment projects (Oh for sure, there are lots of 'em)
f) consumer spending (in connection to malls...)
and there are lots of other things out there that serve as indications that our country is indeed gettin richer

[kunoL8]

^^ i do think our country is progressing the thing is, i don't think it is progressing enough like our asian neighbors.

[SNT1]

We can wait and see, although the super-dami condos coming out arent really aimed for the not so rich peoples. I see it in TFC here in USA, they aimed at people who live here and want a cheap retirement back home in Ph.

haha, that will be funny if we discovered oil there... we will scrap all BGC plans in the middle and make a 1200m skyscraper in the middle of the circle XD /sigh.

[kunoL8]

^^ yeah i know what you mean. i keep on pressuring my mom to buy a unit at one rockwell. she's not giving in yet but eventually she will. lol. anyway, yeah, an oil discovery will be awesome! doesn't the phils. have an oil rig in palawan? is that doing any good?

[demented_pigeon]

... pag nagumpisa na ang tunay na industriyalisasyon ng mga pangunahing mabibigat na industriya at sa pagpapalawak ng siyentipiko at industriyalisadong plano para sa agrikultura.

[kunoL8]

... pag nagumpisa na ang tunay na industriyalisasyon ng mga pangunahing mabibigat na industriya at sa pagpapalawak ng siyentipiko at industriyalisadong plano para sa agrikultura.

yung una kong basa medyo nawala ako. hardcore tagalog naman kasi. :) nung high school nga, mas mataas pa grado ng mga kaklase kong koreano sa filipino kesa sa akin! haha! :lol:

anyway, ano ba ang mga pangunahing industriya ng pilipinas? ang naiisip ko lang agriculture eh.

[demented_pigeon]

"pangunahing mabibigat na industriya" primary heavy industries... such as manufacturing, electronics, shipbuilding, and textiles... sadly, namamatay o patay na ang industriya ng textile sa bansa dahil sa kawalan ng proteksyon mula sa produktong intsik dahil na rin sa kakulangan at kawalan ng kaalaman ng bansa ukol sa paghahanda sa trade liberalization. palibhasa naman, pinaghahandaan ang trade liberalization... hindi ito idenedeklara lamang. nahirapan ka sa tagalog ko? e cebuano ako e.

[WawaY[625]]

ok ok ok ...malapit na ang sagot sa tanong..6 feet na naddrill ko sa bakuran namin..mag e-export na tayo ng OIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[demented_pigeon]

tingnan mo uli... baka naman sa pozo negro mo na-drill yan. :)

[LordCarnal]

:lol: maging left wing communist na lang

No need to be communist tigs (I myself don't like the communist agenda of setting up an oppressive monarchial-dictatorial form of gov't.).

What I meant was that there should really be reforms like what is being done in socialist countries. Even Japan successfully initiated a land reform program.

Also, I guess the Philippines should start to be self-sufficient rather than rely on other countries especially the US. Sometimes we can't blame those rallyists for saying that GMA is a puppet of the US.. We can start by making an independent foreign policy, a perfect example would be like that of Malaysia other countries in Asia.

I remember in Bangkok, the tour guide told us that in the 70s the Thai gov't. sent representatives to study at the International Rice Research Institure here in the Philippines. Right now, we are importing rice from them.

Also, I think it would help if the Philippines invest in infrastructure to attract more investments since we really need capital to jumpstart some new projects like oil drilling, etc..etc.. As of now, a large amount of oil, probably the biggest in the Philippines, has been found in Tañon straight (area between Negros Oriental and Cebu). A "Japanese" will be drilling for it.

With regards to investments in infrastructure, the Philippines should also focus on just certain places, like perhaps the existing urban centers like Metro Manila, Cebu, Davao, CDO. It would really not help if the implementation of projects is "scattered" all throughout given the fact that the country doesn't have enough money to sustain such. Once these urban centers have truly grown up, then these will serve as catalysts for growth of the entire country itself.

[kunoL8]

^^ ah, may "mabibigat" pala. yung textiles siguro ang dapat gawin dyan yung mga local designers at local clothing stores dapat gamitin yung my telang sa pilipinas lang nila makukuha. sa tingin ko one step towards progress na yun. :)

ang tagalog vocab ko kasi hindi masyadong malalim. pag big tagalog words na ang ginagamit medyo kelangan dalawang beses ko yung babasahin. pano naman kasi, tuwing filipino class di ako nakikinig kasi iniisip ko na matutunan ko rin naman yung my salita na yun eventually. so now, i totally regret it. :(

[demented_pigeon]

^^ as i said, the textile industries is almost dead. bench, penshoppe, and other local big clothing lines outsource their manufacturing to China.

[kunoL8]

cheaper labor in other asian countries are really taking a big blow on our economy. i think the philippines should explore other options. although, i think that there's a good side to this. at least it vindicates the fact that filipinos don't come that cheap anymore. sign of "slight progress," perhaps? i don't know if that even make sense. sorry, for my terrible incoherence. i just had a drink. :cheers:

[WawaY[625]]

thats why i get irritated whenever i see these cheap chinese wares being sold in the streets.people buy it even if its substandard and they get less value for their money out of it

i even argued with a friend regarding this as he keeps on buying chinese nikes and stuff, what people dont realize is that its killing our economy..

[WawaY[625]]

@ demented

naku naku oil nga!!!! hahaha

[demented_pigeon]

^^ tingnan mo kung viable siya... baka axle grease lang yan.

[demented_pigeon]

thats why i get irritated whenever i see these cheap chinese wares being sold in the streets.people buy it even if its substandard and they get less value for their money out of it

i even argued with a friend regarding this as he keeps on buying chinese nikes and stuff, what people dont realize is that its killing our economy..
and agriculture as well, since our agriculture has to compete with their goods being dumped here.

[WawaY[625]]

^^ tingnan mo kung viable siya... baka axle grease lang yan.

mag hire na kog security bai... mudatu na jud ko ani..

oooopsss hang over ra diay ni..dili man gani ko kabalo mag pala, drill pa kaha.bwahahaha

[demented_pigeon]

dali ra himog crude oil... butang ug organic material sa chamber nga pirting dako ang pressure... unya butang dayun ug tubig nga superheated... naay mugawas nga mga oily formations unya ana.

[WawaY[625]]

kapuya tabon sa bangag oi..... lay oil huhu pobre japon

[DoggMann]

bakit simpleng obeying traffic laws , disposing of garbage in proper receptacle can't be followed when sa ibang bansa this is unheard of. Tignan mo na lang everyyear me baha kase laging nababarahan ang drainage alam nila a ng cause pero every year ganon pa ren ang nangyayare. Me topak ba mga pinoy sa ulo?

dapat gawa batas...
tapon basura ilog aputol akamay...
tawid hindi tama aputol apaa...
anak anak wala pera aputol a .... ouch! :D

[adverg]

Philippine will be rich in social, political and economic aspects if the whole OFW will come back and manage the whole country coz our mind is not polluted already.

[amigo32]

Philippine will be rich in social, political and economic aspects if the whole OFW will come back and manage the whole country coz our mind is not polluted already.


Paano na kaming nasa Pinas na polluted na rin?

[adverg]

Not all, but those who want you to be pollute also.............