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nazrey

August 27th, 2009, 09:17 PM

Kedutaan Malaysia gesa media Indonesia lebih peka
Jumaat, 28 Ogos 2009
http://bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Thursday/Mutakhir/20090827211953/Article

JAKARTA: Kedutaan Besar Malaysia di sini menggesa semua pihak, khususnya media massa di Indonesia, lebih peka dan memahami sensitiviti rakyat kedua-dua negara supaya pemberitaan yang dibuat tidak menyinggung perasaan kedua-dua pihak.

Kedutaan Besar Malaysia menyuarakan rasa kesal kerana kekeliruan dan tuduhan yang dibuat oleh media massa tempatan kononnya Kerajaan Malaysia mencuri tarian Pendet yang berasal dari Bali untuk promosi pelancongan Malaysia dalam satu klip video, telah dibangkitkan sebagai isu hubungan dua hala.

"Kedutaan Besar Malaysia ingin menegaskan bahawa telah terdapat kekeliruan dan salah faham serius terhadap produksi dan penayangan klip video komersial itu dan dakwaan penglibatan kerajaan Malaysia," kata Kedutaan Besar Malaysia menerusi satu kenyataan hari ini.

Menurut kenyataan itu, klip video komersial berkenaan adalah inisiatif kreatif Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific sendiri dan tidak sekali-kali membabitkan campur tangan sebarang pihak di Malaysia.

"Tidak ada pihak di Malaysia yang mendakwa bahawa tarian Pendet adalah tarian dari Malaysia.

"Seharusnya pihak yang berkenaan di Republik Indonesia terlebih dahulu menyelidik hal ini sebelum membuat kesimpulan mengenainya," tegas kenyataan itu.

Beberapa penjelasan telah dibuat mengenai pembikinan klip video 30 saat itu, termasuk pengakuan oleh syarikat swasta berpejabat di Singapura itu yang membuatnya tanpa campur tangan kerajaan mahu pun pihak lain di Malaysia.

Namun media massa di sini seperti menutup mata terhadap hakikat dan penjelasan yang dibuat, sebaliknya terus memainkan isu itu dan melemparkan tuduhan keras, malah mengaitkannya dengan isu-isu serupa sebelum ini yang menuding bahawa Malaysia mencuri kebudayaan Indonesia. - Bernama

silverian86

August 27th, 2009, 09:50 PM

u see..whatever happen between both of the country...most of malaysian still rational...we never burn indonesia's flag...we never do demonstrate against indonesian and its government...and our media never try to provoke malaysian against indonesia

^^ yeah...we never do such things...even during ganyang Malaysia era, our Prime Minister at that time do not permit all such thing happen (as report in our national newspaper recently in the commentar section).

As I remember, the only flag we had burn was Israel flag :cheers: in a really peaceful demonstration :nuts:

KelvinKoh

August 28th, 2009, 03:24 AM

Namun media massa di sini seperti menutup mata terhadap hakikat dan penjelasan yang dibuat, sebaliknya terus memainkan isu itu dan melemparkan tuduhan keras, malah mengaitkannya dengan isu-isu serupa sebelum ini yang menuding bahawa Malaysia mencuri kebudayaan Indonesia. - Bernama

ini namanya media kurang ajar. they truly got hidden evil agenda to distablise Indonesia-Malaysia relationship.

free media my arse!

dcOhiney

August 28th, 2009, 04:01 AM

from what i know, anything that are related to malaysia's 'arrogants' surely can make their paper laku.

arepull87

August 28th, 2009, 05:02 AM

^^ clarifying issues is part of 'tourism campaign' too ;)

:lol:...ya....it is part tourism campaign and it is our responsibility...to clear Malaysia image.....:)

Dr Jake

August 28th, 2009, 07:29 AM

Instead moving forward they choose to move backward, and for that they will never get modernized anytime soon. This is what happened when you're too focusing on irrelevant things like claiming kunyit, rendang, batik, wayang kulit, etc. I've seen an indon's series claiming kunyit as theirs, OMG this is funny.

arepull87

August 28th, 2009, 07:57 AM

I've seen an indon's series claiming kunyit as theirs, OMG this is funny.

:rofl:

World 2 World

August 28th, 2009, 10:28 AM

Instead moving forward they choose to move backward

^^Let them move backward and let us move forward:)...I only can think one solution how to sort things out between Malaysian vs Indonesian especially SCC forumer over here:
"Just don't bother or answer them when they say/ask something stupid thing or try to provoke us. Guys, we know that whatever we say or try to explain they won't listen to us. Look what has happenend to tarian pendet, even the air is cleared that their media made a mistake, but they still hold the ground saying that we are the thief.
We, Malaysian are muture enough:)."

KelvinKoh

August 28th, 2009, 12:34 PM

hey guys, Universiti Deponegoro now bans Malaysian from entering their university.

how pathetic it is....

imagine if academicians there got no brains....what about non-educated one? :ohno:

KelvinKoh

August 28th, 2009, 12:38 PM

We, Malaysian are muture enough:)

:okay: second to that.

arepull87

August 28th, 2009, 02:45 PM

can u imagine if our university ban indonesian student here...?..im sure our local university are not stupid like that....we are very rational....let them with their way...we with our way..

Dr Jake

August 28th, 2009, 05:19 PM

It's their loss, not ours.

nazrey

August 28th, 2009, 08:12 PM

Malaysia's Pavilion To Promote Tourism And Trade
August 29, 2009 00:10 AM

SHANGHAI, Aug 28 (Bernama) -- Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen and Shanghai's City Council deputy secretary-general Hong Hao on Friday performed the ground-breaking ceremony for Malaysia's pavilion at the 2010 Shanghai World Expo (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=678884&page=16) here.

The pavilion, with the theme of "1Malaysia: Harmonised City Living" will be completed by the year end.

Dr Ng said Malaysia's theme was in tune with the expo theme, "Better City, Better Living", as it showcased the strengths of Malaysia's city living.

"When it comes to city living, people want good quality of life. Therefore, the concept of the pavilion portrays Malaysia's harmonious multicultural society, elements of nature, modern facilities and the nation's achievements," she told Malaysian reporters after the ground-breaking ceremony.

Dr Ng said Malaysia's pavilion would also showcase the country's various tourist attractions, services and products, as the aim was not just to promote its tourism industry but also as a destination for trade and investment.

As such, she said, the Malaysia External Trade Development Corporation (Matrade) would take charge of showcasing the latest developments of Malaysian products such as palm oil, rubber, electronic goods and timber.

Dr Ng said the design of the pavilion combined cultural and heritage elements, including Negeri Sembilan's architectural design, with modernity.

The 3,000-square metre Malaysia Pavilion is expected to receive 10,000 to 15,000 visitors daily, during the World Expo to be held from May 1 to Oct 31 next year.

-- BERNAMA

Dr Jake

August 28th, 2009, 11:57 PM

BTW y'all, our Embassy in Indonesia had received a bomb threat. Giler ahhh!!!

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/36274-our-embassy-in-jakarta-receives-bomb-threat

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 05:18 AM

one thing i can see is, to promote Malaysia, we should emphasis culture which unique to Malaysia. not the one which Indonesia has it. eventho the culture belong to the Malay society (Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Brunei) as those peoples there are less educated and can easily get twisted by the central power in Jakarta, controlled by Javanese.

like Kuda Kepang, Wayang Kulit, Tarian Piring, Gamelan, Caklempung dan sebagainya. (Malaysia and Indonesia shares those things as peoples in Malaysia for centuries play those, ever since Indonesia and Malaysia still doesn't exist!). but they are too GOBLOK! :D (nah, that one is Indonesian, they can claim that). they fail to understand CULTURE and how it evolves!

and our Tourism Malaysia also stupid. seriously. can't they even search any beautiful cultures which are unique to Malaysia? seriously they are stupid+lazy. :ohno:

this is Mak Yong

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-m8OtzGwbwA/SXCCPzYdq2I/AAAAAAAAB84/RN0i79903Kk/s400/raja2.jpg

why don't they promote this, instead?

Ulek Mayang

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3464756583_1219ba863d.jpg?v=0

Gasing

http://travelblog.bcaa.com/wp-content/gasing_1593.jpg

i think the don't study the culture around the world and do some reading and observation (which i think they are not). Take TURKEY sebagai contoh.

Turkey ialah negara yang pertemuan 2 budaya. budaya timur (arab) and budaya barat (mediterranean).

take this mevlevi religious dance

http://img1.loadtr.com/b-407172-Mevlevi_%C3%87alg%C4%B1lar%C4%B1.jpg

the whole world saying this is Turkish! which is true but throughout history it is related to persia and syria, with many arab influence. i never heard arab or persian claim Turkey as 'maling'.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 05:30 AM

ok, the world saying this is from JAPAN.

Ramen

http://www.tastingmenu.com/media/2003/20030909-taishoken/images/10-ramen.jpg

Tempura

http://www.cateringspecialist.com/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2F5%2Ftempura.jpg

Yakiniku

http://www.tastyisland.net/images/camellia_fullgrill.jpg

Japanese Temple (architecture)

http://www.openbuddha.com/images/japanese-temple.jpg

Kabuki

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/kabuki1.jpg

^^ those are all cultures either originated or shared with the mainlanders (China). except for temura which is from Portugese! have we heard chinese says japanese are 'maling'?

or have we heard Portugese cursing japanese for totally 'maling' their dish?

well, truly educated people who learn history and culture can understand. while those who are less educated, non-educated, ultranationalist, weak-minded simply cant understand this.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 05:45 AM

Sepak Takraw

http://ahmedt.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/sepak_takraw1.jpg

we share this culture with Thailand. but we never heard Thailand calling us 'maling' for this...

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:01 AM

i just hope that in the near future my javanese uncle can speak the language of his ansester as well as play kuda kepang without the other side who are not even a javanese condemning him of steeling their culture..

and if you re an indonesian but you are not a javanese stop claiming the javanese culture as you own... tak malu ke?

@daeng,

My uncle is dalang, my nephew is a bedaya dancer, my parents from jogja, near Prambanan temple, now i life in jogja...so yes i am JAVANESE...and i has to be a dalang....so you understand why i am not comfortable if wayang is used by malaysia only as tourism object, for my family or javanese people..wayang is part of our philosophy...we don't play wayang just for TOURISM.....this is part of our live....so pls respect that....

thanks&Regards
HONAS

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:06 AM

@daeng,

My uncle is dalang, my nephew is a bedaya dancer, my parents from jogja, near Prambanan temple, now i life in jogja...so yes i am JAVANESE...and i has to be a dalang....so you understand why i am not comfortable if wayang is used by malaysia only as tourism object, for my family or javanese people..wayang is part of our philosophy...we don't play wayang just for TOURISM.....this is part of our live....so pls respect that....

thanks&Regards
HONAS

same with Kelantanese (malaysian) who plays wayang kulit as part of their long historical culture.....

http://imajication.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/wayangkulitkelantangj1.jpg

^^ nah, itu wayang kulit kelantan

http://ikatkata.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/wayang-kulit1.jpg

^^ dan ini adalah Wayang Jawa

---------------

beda benar deh!...so pls understand that....

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:09 AM

If you could tell me the history of Wayang Jawa and know the philosophy of Wayang Jawa..oklah you could said that Wayang Jawa is exist in Malaysia, because its nothing if you play wayang jawa but you don't know the essence and the meaning of wayang jawa.

thanks&regards
HONAS

nb: you could googling or use wikipedia if you don't know the answer

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:09 AM

Danang, tiket maskapal AirAsia begitu murah loh, andai bisa Danang keluar ke seluruh asia tenggara dan belajar budaya setiap etnik...

terima kasih. salam dari Malaysia....

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:11 AM

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:16 AM

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:21 AM

Dear kelvin....

as i explain before...i refer to malaysia tourism promotion.
And you answer that in malaysia they don't play wayang jawa...why malaysia used Wayang Jawa as their tourism promotion?
Not used Wayang from kelantan for their tourism promotion??

This is the point...

Thsnks&Regards
HONAS

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:25 AM

Dear Kelvin,

Thanks for your explanation, but this is not about Wayang Kelantan, this is about Wayang Jawa.

Why malaysia used Wayang Jawa as their tourism promotion?

And if malaysia used Wayang Jawa for promotion, they should be mention where its come from...

And why malaysia not used Wayang from kelantan for their tourism promotion???

Previously you already answer that, i just to clarify that i don't claim that wayang is only from indonesia...just claim wayang jawa

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

of god, now i have to repeat the explaination.

the advertisement in DISCOVERY CHANNEL was made by discovery channel themselves, Malaysian Government DOES NOT involve in that.

so, the mistake was done by DISCOVERY CHANNEL. not from Tourism Malaysia.

maybe the reason of the mistake is....they know that wyang (wayang kulit kelantan) is also exist in Malaysia. but the CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE it with javanese wayang.

same like you, you also can't differentiate that.....

so the mistake was not from us!

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:27 AM

kalimantanku

August 29th, 2009, 06:28 AM

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:31 AM

DISCOVERY CHANNEL is an American owned company. nothing to do with Malaysia.

http://adshunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/discovery-rebranding.jpg

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:32 AM

Pendet Dance, Batik Cloth, Reog Dance, Angklung Music is Indonesian Culture..Not Malaysia.You can enjoying thats culture in our country.Only in Indonesia.

Jutaan warga dunia pernah mengunjungi Bali,,mereka semua tahu kalau tari Pendet adalah milik budaya Bali.lahir dan berkembang di Bali.
kenapa tiba-tiba muncul di iklan wisata Malaysia??????

pasti warga dunia semua tertawa,, kok bisa tari Pendet ada di Malaysia...:ohno:

satu lagi makhluk bodoh tak sekolah, tak membaca datang menyibuk...:ohno:

kalimantanku

August 29th, 2009, 06:33 AM

the promotion was done by DISCOVERY CHANNEL.

not from TOURISM MALAYSIA.

that is the point.....

i don't believe it..
pasti ada persetujuan/ijin pemerintah malay soal isi iklan.
tidak mungkin Discovery tidak ijin terhadap pemerintah malay..

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Tari Pendet, Angklung, Reog, Batik etc,, is pure Indonesian Culture..
we have 17.000 islands, a million traditional language, best diving spot, 95 % Dayak lives in Kalimantan, best tourism island in the world (Bali, Lombok, Bunaken etc)

kalimantanku

August 29th, 2009, 06:37 AM

satu lagi makhluk bodoh tak sekolah, tak membaca datang menyibuk...:ohno:

aku kuliah di Jogja,kota pendidikan di Indonesia.
warga malay juga banyak sekolah di Jogja.
kamu terlalu bodoh, telah menyatakan aku bodoh.

Jogja juga adalah kota wisata & budaya.warga dunia pasti mengunjungi Jogja setelah Bali.jadi kesimpulannya, Indonesia punya banyak destinasi wisata & budaya. kalian aja yang iri sama kekayaan wisata & budaya Indonesia.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:40 AM

i don't believe it..
pasti ada persetujuan/ijin pemerintah malay soal isi iklan.
tidak mungkin Discovery tidak ijin terhadap pemerintah malay..

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Tari Pendet, Angklung, Reog, Batik etc,, is pure Indonesian Culture..
we have 17.000 islands, a million traditional language, best diving spot, 95 % Dayak lives in Kalimantan, best tourism island in the world (Bali, Lombok, Bunaken etc)

it is up to u either to believe it or not to believe it.

the documentary was made sempena Kemerdekaan Malaysia kali ke 52. andai mungkin pemerintah malaysia membayar mereka untuk membuat dokumentari, tetapi kerja-kerja teknikal dilakukan oleh mereka!

bukan pemerintah. and studio mereka di Singapore. bukan Malaysia. that's why i said u tak pergi sekolah, kerna tidak mengkaji sebab musabab kasus sebegini terjadi...

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:42 AM

aku kuliah di Jogja,kota pendidikan di Indonesia.
warga malay juga banyak sekolah di Jogja.
kamu terlalu bodoh, telah menyatakan aku bodoh.

Jogja juga adalah kota wisata & budaya.warga dunia pasti mengunjungi Jogja setelah Bali.jadi kesimpulannya, Indonesia punya banyak destinasi wisata & budaya. kalian aja yang iri sama kekayaan wisata & budaya Indonesia.

jadi, sistem persekolahan di indonesia itu banyak cacat celanya....

kerna gagal melahirkan insan yang celik sejarah dan celik budaya. juga gagal melahirkan seseorang yang bisa mengkaji sebab musabab sesuatu kontroversi.

kalimantanku

August 29th, 2009, 06:48 AM

it is up to u either to believe it or not to believe it.

the documentary was made sempena Kemerdekaan Malaysia kali ke 52. andai mungkin pemerintah malaysia membayar mereka untuk membuat dokumentari, tetapi kerja-kerja teknikal dilakukan oleh mereka!

bukan pemerintah. and studio mereka di Singapore. bukan Malaysia. that's why i said u tak pergi sekolah, kerna tidak mengkaji sebab musabab kasus sebegini terjadi...

kami rakyat Indonesia tidak percaya begitu saja.
we don't believe it.
malay sangat sering menyinggung rakyat Indonesia.

kenapa pemerintah malay tidak lekas/cepat to stoping that's documentary???
kenapa tidak dari permulaan???saat iklan itu pertama di tayangkan kepada pemerintah malay???kalau muncul Tari Pendet dalam iklan,, seharusnya pemerintah malay lekas/cepat mengubah/edit isi iklan..

kenapa harus menunggu reaksi/protes warga Indonesia dulu, baru iklan nya di edit?kenapa????????

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:58 AM

^^ suka hati kamu lah....:sleepy:

Indonesia believe in 'Freedom of Speech'. but they are fastly evolved...into 'Freedom of Hatred'

silahkan...

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 07:02 AM

kalimantanku

August 29th, 2009, 07:06 AM

^^ suka hati kamu lah....:sleepy:

Indonesia believe in 'Freedom of Speech'. but they are fastly evolved...into 'Freedom of Hatred'

silahkan...

sudah kehabisan akal untuk ber argumen dengan aku?

pada inti nya,,, kami memiliki banyak jenis wisata & budaya.
a million culture,, art & unique places..

do you know floating market???
we have that place..!
in Banjarmasin City, South Kalimantan.

floating market is the one of attractive place for tourism.di dunia hanya ada di Indonesia & Thailand (Thailand is one of country in southeast asia, i must go there before die,not malay).

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs148.snc1/5493_1127334456292_1015088921_30327964_1364187_n.jpg

Indonesian Floating Market,, jangan di klaim lagi ya malay..

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 07:09 AM

Dear Kelvin and Kalimantan..

There a lot of misunderstanding between malaysian people and indonesian people.

I hope with this forum we could discus without feel of hatred.

Sometime malaysia is wrong....sometime indonesia is wrong...

There are no perfect government, or country or people...

So if we make mistake..we will admit it....vese versa

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

kalimantanku

August 29th, 2009, 07:11 AM

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 07:17 AM

Sebel sih bole saja...but be cool...dont be harsh..

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 07:19 AM

Dear Kelvin,

Thanks for your feedback, i accept your explanation about that the ads is create by Discovery Channel, so the Malysian Goevernment cannot take the responsibility.

But..i also agree with Kalimantanku...that after see the ads...and see that the ads is wrong...the malaysian government should edit or cancel the ads before indonesian people protest.

And pls don't underestimate our education, remember, years ago until now there a many malaysian people study in indonesia. I never underestimate your country...

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

to explain a little bit more, Kelantan is just one of 14 states in Malaysia. and the truth is, peoples outside Kelantan can't differentiate the Kelantanese Wayang Kulit and Javanese Wayang.

that's the truth.

there might be a possibility that peoples in Kuala Lumpur thought that the Javanese Wayang is Kelantanese which is wrong.

regarding on education quality, i just use that argument as i see many Indonesians get easily influenced by media's propagation. and yes, many malaysians studying in indonesia especially in medical study.

but i have to tell you that Malaysian tourist to Indonesia is one of the largest. making provocation will not help your tourism either. as many malaysians cancel visiting indonesia due to deep hatred from locals.

and how about ethnic Malay in Indonesia? in Palembang, Riau....what do they feel when Javanese mocking Malay culture? i'm afraid one day they will retaliate and seperate themselve from oppressive javanese-led governmnet. just as what happen to Gerakan Acheh Merdeka

Lastresorter

August 29th, 2009, 07:35 AM

of god, now i have to repeat the explaination.

the advertisement in DISCOVERY CHANNEL was made by discovery channel themselves, Malaysian Government DOES NOT involve in that.

so, the mistake was done by DISCOVERY CHANNEL. not from Tourism Malaysia.

maybe the reason of the mistake is....they know that wyang (wayang kulit kelantan) is also exist in Malaysia. but the CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE it with javanese wayang.

same like you, you also can't differentiate that.....

so the mistake was not from us!

:lol: Kelvin, save your effort in typing :) Becoz these people will not understand that IT WAS NOT OUR MISTAKE (god knows why?) and that we have our own wayang kulit. They think that wayang kulit only exist in Java. It's just like how the ancient Chinese were ignorant and never knew that there were Europeans and thus calling those with blond hair and blue eyes a "ghost" :lol: You should go visit the world forum and see that they never understand our simple language.

Lastresorter

August 29th, 2009, 07:37 AM

Pendet Dance, Batik Cloth, Reog Dance, Angklung Music is Indonesian Culture..Not Malaysia.You can enjoying thats culture in our country.Only in Indonesia.

Jutaan warga dunia pernah mengunjungi Bali,,mereka semua tahu kalau tari Pendet adalah milik budaya Bali.lahir dan berkembang di Bali.
kenapa tiba-tiba muncul di iklan wisata Malaysia??????

pasti warga dunia semua tertawa,, kok bisa tari Pendet ada di Malaysia...:ohno:

This is what I meant by people who will not understand simple language. Ohh by the way, I agree with many others - Hinduism is from India, not Bali. If India protested, I'm sure the world will laugh at it harder than laughing at Bali for alleged stealing of culture.

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 08:23 AM

same with Kelantanese (malaysian) who plays wayang kulit as part of their long historical culture.....

http://imajication.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/wayangkulitkelantangj1.jpg

^^ nah, itu wayang kulit kelantan

http://ikatkata.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/wayang-kulit1.jpg

^^ dan ini adalah Wayang Jawa

This is true!!!
see at 0.46...

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Ternyata itu wayang kelantan bukan wayang jawa yang ada di tourism ad ini!!!!

http://imajication.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/wayangkulitkelantangj1.jpg

If you could tell me the history of Wayang Jawa and know the philosophy of Wayang Jawa..oklah you could said that Wayang Jawa is exist in Malaysia, because its nothing if you play wayang jawa but you don't know the essence and the meaning of wayang jawa.

thanks&regards
HONAS

nb: you could googling or use wikipedia if you don't know the answer

Then what you know the philosophy of Wayang Kelantan! :)

WE DON'T PLAY WAYANG JAWA!!!!!!!

WE PLAY WAYANG KULIT KELANTAN, FOR GOD SAKE!!

why is that hard for u to understand this?

>>> ushanya lagi kata...

Dear Kelvin,

Thanks for your explanation, but this is not about Wayang Kelantan, this is about Wayang Jawa.

Why malaysia used Wayang Jawa as their tourism promotion?

And if malaysia used Wayang Jawa for promotion, they should be mention where its come from...

And why malaysia not used Wayang from kelantan for their tourism promotion???

Previously you already answer that, i just to clarify that i don't claim that wayang is only from indonesia...just claim wayang jawa

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

Payah faham lagi kah? :ohno: lihat sekali lagi di toursiam ad itu
tak lain tak bukan dengan apa yang Kelvin kata (WE DON'T PLAY WAYANG JAWA!!!!!!!)...:)

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 08:33 AM

I think I can not find another Asian tourism ad that can promote to combine Asian/Malay culture altogether (which all truly happens in Malaysia)
We know that tarian kuda kepang (0.07) berasal dari Jawa! tapi masih ada khusus di antaranya...
http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuda_kepang

QHwAcpq6hvE

Experience the Culture & Heritage : A multi-cultural harmony
can you name it sejak Malaysia (Peninsula+Borneo) = Indonesia + Chinese + India CULTURES!
Yet music was played by traditional Malay music!

Itu pun sudah ada seseorang malaysian yang berkata...

that true nazrey...why indonesia perlu mempertikaikan apabila malaysia memperkenalkan budaya nusantara kepada dunia?...sukurang-kurangnya rakyat malaysia masih lagi menghargai budaya mereka...sepatutnya kerajaan indonesia perlu berusha memperkenalkn budya ini..mereka lebih besar, etnik lagi ramai dan mereka sngt kaya dengn budaya..tetapi kenapa mereka tak perkenalkan pada dunia?...mereka patut bersyukur sebagai stau bngsa yng sama dan serumpun malaysia telah memperkenalkn budaya ini kepada dunia..sekiranya masyarakat dunia mengenali budaya ini sebagai budaya malaysia kenapa kita perlu disalhkan? kita yg berusaha memperkenalknya..so kita yng patut dapt penghormatan....skali lagi sebuah negara tidk berhak mengtkn budaya itu milik mereka..budya itu adlah milik bangsa..xkira di mana, di indonesia, di malaysia, di singapura..selagi mereka mengamalkan budya mereka selagi itu budaya itu milik mereka.....:)

untuk kebaikan bersama, indonesia dan malaysia patut bergabung tenaga untuk mempernalkn budaya nusantara yang indah ini kepada masyrakt dunia...bukn bergaduh sesama sendiri mengtakn budaya itu milik mereka...there are no boundaries in culture....

PEACE!

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 08:46 AM

LET GO!

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nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 08:48 AM

Malaysia Truly Asia : CAN YOU REMEMBER HER!

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Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Does anyone have the Malaysia Truly Asia 2007 Campaign Ad? I think the tittle of that song is everything i wanted. Such a beautiful song. Tapi I takle nak dptkan download link dier lar.

arepull87

August 29th, 2009, 09:12 AM

oh god...why they are so dull...sorry i have to said this..there a lot of explanation and they never and ever want to admit it...

susah nak faham ka...that the video show tarian pendet(im sure almost all malaysian never heard this dance),wayang kulit jawa....in what u call as Malaysian tourism campaign are made by discovery channel and nothing related with malaysian government!!!
once again...NOTHING RELATED WITH MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT AND WE NEVER MALING OR CLAIM THAT THE CULTURE IS FROM MALAYSIA....

U ALL NEVER READ NEWSPAPER?, NEVER KNOW DISCOVERY CHANNEL HAS SENT APPOLOGIZE LETTER TO INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT AND MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT?

sekarang ni anda faham? can u read?:bash:

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 09:12 AM

OMG this is funny. They wanna claim KUNYIT and RENDANG as theirs. Giler aper???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsF_10V4Z9s

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 09:14 AM

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 09:21 AM

Does anyone have the Malaysia Truly Asia 2007 Campaign Ad? I think the tittle of that song is everything i wanted. Such a beautiful song. Tapi I takle nak dptkan download link dier lar.

Experience Malaysia
Click Advertising Campaign (http://www.tourism.gov.my/en/experiencemalaysia/campaign.asp?mydisc=insight90s&type=tvs08&segment=oceania#player)

Malaysia Truly Asia

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Everything I've wanted,all that I've asked of you
Everything I've dreamed of,it's all coming true
So stay with me (with me), as we walk hand in hand
Malaysia, Truly Asia,The mountains and the sea
Malaysia, Truly Asia,It's calling out, to you and me.
Malaysia, Truly Asia.

A little different rhythm

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dcOhiney

August 29th, 2009, 09:23 AM

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 09:25 AM

dcOhiney

August 29th, 2009, 09:28 AM

They will never understand dude. Just take a look at their HDI index 0.726. The way of their thinking is just too inferior than ours.

wow, i wont say that they are inferior, but it is more on ego.they just dont want to admit that it was just a mistake. they still want to point their fingers to malaysia. even with all the explanation and all. 'Sudah terang, lagi bersuluh'.

World 2 World

August 29th, 2009, 09:43 AM

as I said before, don't bother or not to answer them. no point to explain if they can't understand or try not to understand. don't waste our time.. lets move on..

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 09:44 AM

you shoud beri sumber lah..buat orang keliru!!
http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Oopps, my bad:hahano:

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 09:45 AM

Ok Ppl. Let's move one to something more relevant.:yes::yes:

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 09:52 AM

They will never understand dude. Just take a look at their HDI index 0.726. The way of their thinking is just too inferior than ours.

you shoud beri sumber lah..buat orang keliru!!
http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

as I said before, don't bother or not to answer them. no point to explain if they can't understand or try not to understand. don't waste our time.. lets move on..

^^Let them move backward and let us move forward:)...I only can think one solution how to sort things out between Malaysian vs Indonesian especially SCC forumer over here:
"Just don't bother or answer them when they say/ask something stupid thing or try to provoke us. Guys, we know that whatever we say or try to explain they won't listen to us. Look what has happenend to tarian pendet, even the air is cleared that their media made a mistake, but they still hold the ground saying that we are the thief.

We, Malaysian are muture enough:)."

:okay: second to that.

Third!!....:cheers:

arepull87

August 29th, 2009, 10:05 AM

sudah kehabisan akal untuk ber argumen dengan aku?

pada inti nya,,, kami memiliki banyak jenis wisata & budaya.
a million culture,, art & unique places..

do you know floating market???
we have that place..!
in Banjarmasin City, South Kalimantan.

floating market is the one of attractive place for tourism.di dunia hanya ada di Indonesia & Thailand (Thailand is one of country in southeast asia, i must go there before die,not malay).

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs148.snc1/5493_1127334456292_1015088921_30327964_1364187_n.jpg

Indonesian Floating Market,, jangan di klaim lagi ya malay..

hey bodoh...ko tau x floating market tu bukan ada kt indonesia ngn thailand je...kat venice pn ade..kat vietnam pn ade...aku tau la ko bodoh tapi tolong la jng tunjukkn kebodohan ko tu kat sini ok...

nanti ko suruh ko punye media buat report yang venice and vietnam telah claim floating market kebudayaan indonesia...dont forget to tell ur media ok.....

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2093/scotland20051130865000i.jpg

venice floating market

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2241/dsc00055small.jpg

mekong floating market (vietnam part)

World 2 World

August 29th, 2009, 10:08 AM

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 10:11 AM

i think this is the best "Malaysia Truly Asia" tvc and i love the song too:)

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Forgot about this song. Yeah, it's kinda nice actually. Hehehe another theme song that I really like is Cuti Cuti Malaysia, by Siti. Hahahaha Siti forever. Eventhough I'm not a fan of Malay's songs.

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 10:26 AM

i think this is the best "Malaysia Truly Asia" tvc and i love the song too:)

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Becareful nanti ada org kata gunung Konabalu bukan highest peak di rantau ini..the truth that we can not simpan too...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southeast_Asian_mountains

http://www.tourism.gov.my/en/print/new/destination_adventure_01.jpg
but really best theme song I must say :cheers:

arepull87

August 29th, 2009, 10:27 AM

as I said before, don't bother or not to answer them. no point to explain if they can't understand or try not to understand. don't waste our time.. lets move on..

ya la...u r right..dont bother them..i try to do that but sometimes...their arrogant and stupidity make me want to kick their $%$ :wallbash:

Johson

August 29th, 2009, 10:40 AM

sudah kehabisan akal untuk ber argumen dengan aku?

pada inti nya,,, kami memiliki banyak jenis wisata & budaya.
a million culture,, art & unique places..

do you know floating market???
we have that place..!
in Banjarmasin City, South Kalimantan.

floating market is the one of attractive place for tourism.di dunia hanya ada di Indonesia & Thailand (Thailand is one of country in southeast asia, i must go there before die,not malay).

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs148.snc1/5493_1127334456292_1015088921_30327964_1364187_n.jpg

Indonesian Floating Market,, jangan di klaim lagi ya malay..

Stupid Indonesian , this floating market in Thailand and vietnam also got . Not only in you country . You know . Thailand got their floating market especially at Bangkok . That place is very famous to tourism who are visit Bangkok . :cheers:

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 10:52 AM

Malaysia Truly Asia : CAN YOU REMEMBER HER!

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^^ this video is produced by Tourim Malaysia

actually Nazrey, they (indonesian) are not referring to this ad about the tarian pendet and wayang. but this one ......

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^^ this is the controversial video actually, nazrey. Produced by Discovery Channel.

i don't know either those who make the video are culture blind or simply stupid.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 10:54 AM

Stupid Indonesian , this floating market in Thailand and vietnam also got . Not only in you country . You know . Thailand got their floating market especially at Bangkok . That place is very famous to tourism who are visit Bangkok . :cheers:

not Bangkok actually, quite far from Bangkok...i've been there.

that's why i suggest dear fellow Indonesians to visit other countries in SEA to learn about culture...and differences.

jangan jadi katak bawah tempurung.

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 10:56 AM

oh..ya saya bukan nak tunjuk tarian pendet kat tourism ad presenter, Michell Yeoh !
Tpi hanya ada kaitan dengan MALAYSIA culture tourism ad yang telah post sebelum pada tu :)

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 10:58 AM

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2241/dsc00055small.jpg

mekong floating market (vietnam part)

^^ im going to Ho Chi Minh City this October for 5-day trip. and i'll go Mekong Delta as well. ;)

who wanna follow me? hehe...

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 11:00 AM

OMG this is funny. They wanna claim KUNYIT and RENDANG as theirs. Giler aper???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsF_10V4Z9s

they are also claming the Rafflesia as theirs! i think they are just crazy....

http://tymask.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/rafflesiaarnflw1.jpg

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 11:31 AM

not Bangkok actually, quite far from Bangkok...i've been there.

that's why i suggest dear fellow Indonesians to visit other countries in SEA to learn about culture...and differences.

jangan jadi katak bawah tempurung.

Malaysian is really mature here...!! :okay:
ya u right..Actually there are a lot of floating market in Thailand (Songkhla, Kanchanaburi, Ratchaburi)..That's ancient thai culture too!..The most famous floating market in Thailand is in Ratchaburi Province.

It is Damnoen Saduak Floating Market which located at Damnoen Saduak District, Ratchaburi Province, about 105 kms from Bangkok.
http://www.bangkoksite.com/Ratchaburi/FloatingMarket/FloatingMarket1.htm

http://www.thaimtb.com/webboard/334/167404-317.jpg

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 11:39 AM

^^ too many tourist causing 'traffic jam' ! :lol:

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 11:51 AM

World 2 World

August 29th, 2009, 12:09 PM

I love this "Sarawak Welcome You" tvc:)

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nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 12:26 PM

I saw it here before too >http://www.bcck.com.my/ (Borneo Convention Centre Kuching)
Truly world class! let see another Malaysian tourism ad here..kita ada dalam topic as well!

http://www.bcck.com.my/modules/bcck/admin/1_filemanager/file_folder/sub_banner/content_pic_destination05.jpg

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 12:40 PM

Sarawak More Than a Paradise Theme Song
best one!!!

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nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 12:56 PM

Visit Terengganu

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nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 12:58 PM

VISIT TERENGGANU THEME SONG

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nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 01:24 PM

DISCOVERY CHANNEL is an American owned company. nothing to do with Malaysia.

http://adshunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/discovery-rebranding.jpg

2008

An Eye on Malaysia
Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific and Finas (http://www.finas.gov.my/index.php) have combined
efforts again to produce another series of half-hour documentaries
Sun, 14 Sep 2008 by S. Indra Sathiabalan TheSun

http://www.sun2surf.com/images/sun2surf/articles/25570/25a1-DISCOVERY%2001.jpg

Mohd Mahyidin (left) and Dickie shaking hands on the deal with Unity,
Culture, Arts and Heritage Minister Datuk Shafie Apdal.

FOLLOWING the success of the 2006 First Time Filmmakers Malaysia (FTFM) initiative, Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific and Finas (National Film Development Corporation) have joined forces again to come out with another series – the Eye on Malaysia.

While FTFM emphasised on novice filmmakers, Eye on Malaysia is open to all filmmakers irregardless of whether they are experienced filmmakers or not.

"Eye on Malaysia will help consolidate expertise in the local film and television industry and take documentary filmmaking in Malaysia to the next level," says Kevin Dickie, senior vice-president and general manager, Southeast Asia, of Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific, at the recent launch of Eye of Malaysia.

"This initiative further reinforces Discovery’s commitment to supporting the local filmmaking industry and enables talented Malaysian filmmakers to gain recognition on an international platform."

Some US$250,000 (RM862,233) have been allocated for the making of the five documentaries.

Director-general of Finas Mohd Mahyidin Mustakin adds: "Our partnership with an internationally-renowned media company like Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific is a strategic one, chosen to develop the best talents and production values in line with our objective of taking the Malaysian film industry successfully into the global arena."

The five half-hour documentaries from the first joint initiative, done in cooperation with the Ministry of Unity, Culture, Arts & Heritage, were screened last year in conjunction with Malaysia’s 50th year of independence.

One of the documentaries from the FTFM initiative, Making the Cut by Ahmad Yazid Puad, took home the best documentary film award at the recent Malaysian Film Festival.

The documentaries produced under the Eye on Malaysia initiative will also be aired on National Day next year.

The films for FTFM were broadcast on the Discovery Channel throughout the Asia-Pacific region to more than 154 million households.

"The initial broadcast was in Asia-Pacific, and then we built on that and broadcast it on a lot of networks in Europe, Latin America and North America," says Dickie. The same will apply to the Eye on Malaysia documentaries.

Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific vice-president of content Vikram Channa adds: "We will look for strong characters; we will look for stories which have an element of contradictions, conflict as well as a global comment.

"For the FTFM, we had a wide canvas and we hope to get a wide canvas this time around as well but in a different way."

Over 100 entries were received for the FTFM and they expect a bigger number of entries for Eye on Malaysia. From the entries, 12 will be shortlisted for a chance to pitch their ideas before five will be selected to produce their documentaries.

The organisers are looking for real-life tales into the heart and soul of Malaysia as told through the eyes of strong, inspiring and engaging characters, groups, organisations, places, buildings and even events. Applicants for the Eye on Malaysia need to submit a story outline or treatment of not more than three A4 pages long for a half-hour documentary programme that explores issues and events relating to the series theme.

Proposals have to be in English or Bahasa Malaysia though proposals in Bahasa Malaysia must be accompanied by a summary proposal in English.

Applications should be sent to Discovery Channel Eye on Malaysia, c/o Compass Communications, 47-10, The Boulevard, Mid Valley City, Lingkaran Syed Putra, Kuala Lumpur 59200, Malaysia.

Deadline for entries is Oct 13, 2008, at 5pm. For details, log on to www.discoverychannelasia.com

2009

A birthday gift for Malaysia
Amir Hafizi Thursday, August 27th, 2009 03:32:00

http://www.mmail.com.my/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/1m_0.jpg

EYE ON MALAYSIA: The filmmakers with FINAS and Discovery Channel
representatives. (From left) Aida Fitri Buyong, executive producer of Pesona
Productions (representing Shuhaimi Baba), Chew, FINAS director general
Mohd Mayhidin Mustakim, FINAS chairman Datuk Wong Kam Hoong, Tom
Keaveny, Abdul Hamid and Ikhwan

It must be a birthday gift for Malaysia as more world-class documentaries on us are produced. Discovery Networks Asia, in collaboration with the National Film Development Corporation (FINAS) and the Ministry of Culture, Arts and Heritage of Malaysia, officially unveiled the four Eye on Malaysia documentaries which will premiere on Discovery Channel (Astro 551) on Saturday, Aug 29, in conjunction with Malaysia's 52nd Merdeka celebrations.

"With Eye on Malaysia, we are giving our global audience a window to Malaysia and bringing uniquely Malaysian stories to the world," said Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific executive vice president and managing director Tom Keaveny.

The Malaysian filmmakers Shuhaimi Baba, Ikhwan Rivai, Chew Han Tah and Abdul Hamid Abdullah were selected out of over 60 applicants to produce a 30-minute documentary each, showcasing Malaysia's rich culture, history and heritage.

Their stories are told through the eyes of strong, inspiring and engaging characters, places and events. The documentaries are The Joss Stick Maker (Chew Han Tah), Honey Hunters (Abdul Hamid Abdullah), The Seasmiths (Ikhwan Rivai) and Wind Chucker (Shuhaimi Baba).

Eye on Malaysia is the second partnership between Networks Asia-Pacific and FINAS, with support from the Ministry of Information, Communication and Culture, following the success of First Time Filmmakers (FTFM) Malaysia initiative in 2006. Eye on Malaysia is designed to support the local documentary filmmaking industry and provide opportunities for non-fiction filmmakers to showcase Malaysia to the world Eye on Malaysia premieres in back-to-back episodes this Saturday, starting at 6pm. Encores air on Merdeka Day, Aug 31 at 8pm and 8.30pm, and Sept 7 at 8pm and 8.30pm.

SYNOPSES OF THE DOCUMENTARIES >> http://www.mmail.com.my/content/11699-birthday-gift-malaysia

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 01:56 PM

kalau malaysia nak buat sebagai new tourist destination pun boleh lah..tak salah..! negara lain pun bleh buat...
(selagi budaya westerners pun dah melimpah setiap negara di abad ini)
what about kat Melaka River (:lol:) ..kadang kala tak layak kot!!!

^^ that's FAKING, nazrey. i hate faking. a made up thing is so ugly! and i believe tourist will curse us of doing FAKE thing.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 02:00 PM

http://www.sun2surf.com/images/sun2surf/articles/25570/25a1-DISCOVERY%2001.jpg

Mohd Mahyidin (left) and Dickie shaking hands on the deal with Unity,
Culture, Arts and Heritage Minister Datuk Shafie Apdal.

under this program, so far discovery channel has produced 3 short documentaries:

Becoming a King (Agong Coronation)
Smart Tunnel
Fight Master : Silat

and by end of this year : Great Apes of Asia (about Orang Utan if not mistaken)

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 02:02 PM

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 04:06 PM

to explain a little bit more, Kelantan is just one of 14 states in Malaysia. and the truth is, peoples outside Kelantan can't differentiate the Kelantanese Wayang Kulit and Javanese Wayang.

that's the truth.

there might be a possibility that peoples in Kuala Lumpur thought that the Javanese Wayang is Kelantanese which is wrong.

regarding on education quality, i just use that argument as i see many Indonesians get easily influenced by media's propagation. and yes, many malaysians studying in indonesia especially in medical study.

but i have to tell you that Malaysian tourist to Indonesia is one of the largest. making provocation will not help your tourism either. as many malaysians cancel visiting indonesia due to deep hatred from locals.

and how about ethnic Malay in Indonesia? in Palembang, Riau....what do they feel when Javanese mocking Malay culture? i'm afraid one day they will retaliate and seperate themselve from oppressive javanese-led governmnet. just as what happen to Gerakan Acheh Merdeka

Dear Kevin..

Javanese never mocking malay culture...i never mocking malysian culture, i fans of siti nurhaliza you know...so pls don't make racism issue.
We in indonesia, never mocking each other...GAM its not about culture issue, this is human right issue since soeharto era, but now, thanks god its already settle....

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 05:14 PM

Dear Danang,

i want to reveal some finding which might be shocking for you. it is about historical thing which show how culture move from point to point as hundred of years ago, numbers of empire exist in the nusantara and present-day thailand as well

this is a Srivijayan malay dance (srivijayan are malay by ethnic, based in Palembang-Jambi)

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and this is Javanese i guess, looking at the headgear (arjuna. note that arjuna also originated from India) and the batik.

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both dances has been 'Siaminized' throughout time...

feel free to call Siam people as 'maling' if you dare...;)

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 05:37 PM

sudah kehabisan akal untuk ber argumen dengan aku?
floating market is the one of attractive place for tourism.di dunia hanya ada di Indonesia & Thailand (Thailand is one of country in southeast asia, i must go there before die,not malay).

Indonesian Floating Market,, jangan di klaim lagi ya malay..

I'm waiting someone would say wanna go to Thailand before die not Malaysia again :lol:

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 05:47 PM

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 05:52 PM

^^ but the term 'Malingsia' is widely used in Indonesia....;)

you said the Siam's Javanese dance (the youtube video i've posted) is different based on its costumes and style, so it is ok?

but Malaysian batik also totally different style and color and pattern as well. but not ok, because everything from Malaysia is considered 'maling'?

Thailand is ok, while Malaysia is not ok. that's double standard...

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 05:57 PM

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/354201/2/istockphoto_354201_batik_of_malaysia.jpg

http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news_images/1470batik-model2.jpg

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/EOS-1n/credit-images/Philip_Chong/Fashion_show.JPG

http://suterasongket.com/sutera/BE13-16.jpg

^^ batik malaysia. originated from State of Terengganu.....

totally different style and color. but it's still considered 'Maling' by Indonesian....

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:14 PM

i don't double standar....if we talk about batik...is only batik motif parang rusak??not batik from terengganu..
Cos is similar with from java....so we complaint...

Thanks&Regards

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:17 PM

i don't double standar....if we talk about batik...is only batik motif parang rusak??not batik from terengganu..
Cos is similar with from java....so we complaint...

Thanks&Regards

batik parang rusak? apa itu?

di malingsia...opps...:D...di malaysia, batik terengganu lebih popular. dan kami hanya menggunakan batik terengganu sebagai promosi wisata. we never use batik jawa.

who told u we take batik jawa as tourism campaign?

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Yes some people called malysia as malingsia...but not...they called malingsia because malysian people called us "indon"....is similar as niger for afro america...

But for i don't really care you call me indon or not....

we or i don't protest siam dancer cos...diff costume...diff style..diff philosophy..etc...

For me...until i only protest for batik parang rusak...wayang jawa...and tari pendet...
I don't about another indonesian people..

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:31 PM

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:42 PM

And for information, we complaint and protest just for the motif (like a parang rusak)...not for the batik itself.

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:45 PM

Or keris....we don't protest or complaint because your keris is different...

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 06:54 PM

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:54 PM

Dear Kelvin...

Yes, i know....now malaysia don't used as tourist promotion.....but in 2000...,malaysia claim batik parang rusak as your culture...and registered.

That make us complaint and protest. We know malaysia have batik, and many years we don't protest....we start complain in 2000 when malaysia claim parang rusak...

You should read newspaper.

Your case is similar with wayang...we only protest in wayang java...same as batik

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

which newspaper? indonesian newspaper? please....:lol:

ok, here is the Registered Malaysian Heritage (Daftar Warisan Kebangsaan)

http://www.warisan.gov.my/images/stories/statistik/statistik.pdf

http://www.warisan.gov.my/

note that Batik Parang Rusak, Wayang Jawa or Tari Pendet ARE NOT in the list .

saya fikir apa yang kamu percayai itu hanya fitnah rekaan media Indonesia...:yes:

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 06:59 PM

For reog....we a little bit suprised when saw Reog Ponorogo claimed as your culture...because many years ago we never heard that malaysia have type of dance like reog ponorogo...

And we never protest your "baju kurung" also or Dayak tribe...because we Know that we share culture in melayu and island of borneo...but if talk about java...bali...or another culture from tribe which is not melayu, we need explanation from you..

i hope u understand, we not always complaint about your culture

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

refer back to the link that i gave (the official Daftar Warisan Kebangsaan)

reog ponorogo is also NOT IN THE LIST. but the fact is, in Johor it is still shown in wedding ceremony since many javanese settled in Johor for centuries...

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 06:59 PM

batik parang rusak? apa itu?

di malingsia...opps...:D...di malaysia, batik terengganu lebih popular. dan kami hanya menggunakan batik terengganu sebagai promosi wisata. we never use batik jawa.

who told u we take batik jawa as tourism campaign?

Dear Mr Kelvin, further conversation with these idiots will bring you more aspirins and panadols. Just let them be. At least we have other things to do kan, like managing our country. Let us move forward and them backward. I'm so glad that we've don't give a fuck at these so called "thieving budaya orang" in Malaysia, instead we're focusing on moving our HDI rank (0.823) further away from Indon (0.726). The next HDI will be published soon, I am so excited.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 07:02 PM

^^ sorry Dr Jake, don't call him that way. i'm having a good conversation with him, and i enjoy it! and try not to use the word 'indon'. i'm trying my best to create harmony and peace. fighting each other is not the solution....

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 29th, 2009, 07:05 PM

Dear Kelvin,,

Yes maybe is my mistake only read from indonesia newspaper...
Thanks for your explanation.
So now for me is clear.

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

Dr Jake

August 29th, 2009, 07:06 PM

I don't really get this because we malays like to simplify lengthy names. I don't think that word is pretty offensive. Anyway, I just called them indonesians k - panjangyer susah nak sebut.

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 07:12 PM

Dear Kelvin,,

Yes maybe is my mistake only read from indonesia newspaper...
Thanks for your explanation.
So now for me is clear.

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

thank you.

good to know you ;) as i also has a javanese fren now staying in Bogor.

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 07:29 PM

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

Kedutaan Malaysia gesa media Indonesia lebih peka
Jumaat, 28 Ogos 2009
http://bharian.com.my/Current_News/BH/Thursday/Mutakhir/20090827211953/Article

JAKARTA: Kedutaan Besar Malaysia di sini menggesa semua pihak, khususnya media massa di Indonesia, lebih peka dan memahami sensitiviti rakyat kedua-dua negara supaya pemberitaan yang dibuat tidak menyinggung perasaan kedua-dua pihak.

Kedutaan Besar Malaysia menyuarakan rasa kesal kerana kekeliruan dan tuduhan yang dibuat oleh media massa tempatan kononnya Kerajaan Malaysia mencuri tarian Pendet yang berasal dari Bali untuk promosi pelancongan Malaysia dalam satu klip video, telah dibangkitkan sebagai isu hubungan dua hala.

"Kedutaan Besar Malaysia ingin menegaskan bahawa telah terdapat kekeliruan dan salah faham serius terhadap produksi dan penayangan klip video komersial itu dan dakwaan penglibatan kerajaan Malaysia," kata Kedutaan Besar Malaysia menerusi satu kenyataan hari ini.

Menurut kenyataan itu, klip video komersial berkenaan adalah inisiatif kreatif Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific sendiri dan tidak sekali-kali membabitkan campur tangan sebarang pihak di Malaysia.

"Tidak ada pihak di Malaysia yang mendakwa bahawa tarian Pendet adalah tarian dari Malaysia.

"Seharusnya pihak yang berkenaan di Republik Indonesia terlebih dahulu menyelidik hal ini sebelum membuat kesimpulan mengenainya," tegas kenyataan itu.

Beberapa penjelasan telah dibuat mengenai pembikinan klip video 30 saat itu, termasuk pengakuan oleh syarikat swasta berpejabat di Singapura itu yang membuatnya tanpa campur tangan kerajaan mahu pun pihak lain di Malaysia.

Namun media massa di sini seperti menutup mata terhadap hakikat dan penjelasan yang dibuat, sebaliknya terus memainkan isu itu dan melemparkan tuduhan keras, malah mengaitkannya dengan isu-isu serupa sebelum ini yang menuding bahawa Malaysia mencuri kebudayaan Indonesia. - Bernama

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 07:34 PM

Malaysia tidak miskin budaya....

here is the traditional architecture of terengganu....the Tanjung Jara Resort.

http://www.tanjongjararesort.com/images/TJR_landing_01.jpg

http://www.kuantan-hotels.com/tanjong-jara/images/hotel00.jpg

http://www6.worldisround.com/photos/3/440/589.jpg

nazrey

August 29th, 2009, 07:39 PM

Here's more rich Malaysian architecture >> setting in the world forum since 2007! :)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=443431
Istana Melawati, Putrajaya

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/nazrey/Putrajaya/11.jpg

KelvinKoh

August 29th, 2009, 08:01 PM

^^ yup, we are not 'miskin budaya'

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3607904872_86fc3254ee_b.jpg

Pullman Putrajaya

arepull87

August 30th, 2009, 12:17 AM

Dear Kelvin,,

Yes maybe is my mistake only read from indonesia newspaper...
Thanks for your explanation.
So now for me is clear.

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

i hope u will do research first before...just believe whatever indonesian paper has write about my country....now u know the truth...and my hope if u can explain to other indonesian....we never hate indonesian, we never claim ur culture...we just want ur country please respect us..we have a lot of similarity, why we have fight each other?

thanks for all ur question and thanks to kelvin for great job:)

Lastresorter

August 30th, 2009, 05:04 AM

^^ yup, we are not 'miskin budaya'

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3607904872_86fc3254ee_b.jpg

Pullman Putrajaya

Thanks for the pic, Kelvin - Chinese dragonboats with Malay architecture in the background. That actually shows what Malaysia is all about - multi-racial and truly Asia...

I don't really care if Indonesia claims that Batik is solely theirs. For all I know, Malaysian Batik is much more elegant and innovative, and more importantly, it's more accepted and recognised in the international market.

It's just how when some claim that the floating market is theirs, people will usually just relate to Bangkok's floating market, because it is more recognised internationally, whether or not that concept originated from Thailand.

Lastresorter

August 30th, 2009, 05:38 AM

Our ties with Indonesia took another sour hit today....

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/36359-jakarta-kl-ties-hit-another-sour-note-

I propose that we compose a new national anthem and archive "Negaraku" as part of our heritage. Sejahtera Malaysia or Demi Negara sound like good options.

By the way, I was doing a search on Terang Bulan in wikipedia and guess what I found:

Terang Bulan ia a song adopted from a famous song during the late 19th century in the French occupied territories in the Indian Ocean.

The song was composed by Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857), a French lyricist. It became a popular French melody, and was prominent on the island of Mahé in Seychelles. The song's popularity spread across the Indian Ocean and reached as far as the Malay Archipelago early in the 20th century. In 1901, it was presented as Perak State Anthem during installation ceremony of King Edward VII. In 1920s, an Indonesian Bangsawan made the first debut of the song while performing in Singapore. The melody soon became very popular among the the people and was given the name Terang Bulan (Bright Moon), becoming a Malay 'evergreen', playing at parties, in cabarets and sung by almost everybody in the 1920s and 1930s. Today, of course, since independence, it is not played as a popular melody, and any such use is proscribed by statute.

Now who is stealing whose culture?

Rizpunk

August 30th, 2009, 06:55 AM

hey guys, Universiti Deponegoro now bans Malaysian from entering their university.

how pathetic it is....

imagine if academicians there got no brains....what about non-educated one? :ohno:

hahaha..I think there's sumthing teribbly wrong with these Indonesians. First, who wants to go study there in the first place? Our local universities and private colleges are way better than them, and ironically, thousands of Indons are studying in Malaysia. Oh God, why do I even bother...

dcOhiney

August 30th, 2009, 07:22 AM

KelvinKoh

August 30th, 2009, 08:01 AM

dcOhiney

August 30th, 2009, 08:14 AM

hey, hear the latest news? now those indonesian 'klaim' negaraku as Terang Bulan... aiyoo

adiyon84

August 30th, 2009, 08:21 AM

hey, hear the latest news? now those indonesian 'klaim' negaraku as Terang Bulan... aiyoo

actually not by them (mostly).. but by their MASS MEDIA.. :bash: :bash:

arepull87

August 30th, 2009, 08:37 AM

after this.. what else they will claim?..baju kurung?...sate?,keris?, baju melayu?

mari kita teka ramai2...hehe...:banana:

maybe ca be a new tread also...:lol:

ladee luck

August 30th, 2009, 09:08 AM

They claim "ikan Arwana'

http://hendrasiry.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/indonesia-perlu-patenkan-ikan-arwana-super-red/

Dr Jake

August 30th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Buat tak tau jer. Tapi kalu dah teruk sgt. Kiter hantar jer balik sumer pendatang haram Indonesia kat sini.

Lastresorter

August 30th, 2009, 09:52 AM

May be those govt. agencies should patent their HAZE too... but that's something we don't want, it's not our cultural heritage or practice.

Dr Jake

August 30th, 2009, 09:58 AM

May be those govt. agencies should patent their HAZE too... but that's something we don't want, it's not our cultural heritage or practice.

Hahahaha, yeah. They should.

World 2 World

August 30th, 2009, 11:32 AM

Dr Jake

August 30th, 2009, 12:15 PM

^^^^^^ Yeah let's

Let's keep promoting our country instead.

Lastresorter

August 30th, 2009, 04:31 PM

Ditto ;) That said, I'll be back for Raya holiday by Firefly. Will update my experience with the airline and also Subang Skypark (my first time with Firefly!).

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 30th, 2009, 04:47 PM

Dear Malaysian forumers:) i can see the arguments between us and the indonesians over here and on their thread is getting worse. Why do we have to waste our time to answer or explain to them with all their nonsense subjects/views? You know that they will not listen to us even though we show them the facts/truths/explainations etc. It will not solve the problems that way, because of their attitudes and its gettting worse. They rather listen to their media/people etc, not to us. So let them be. There are a lot of other things that we can learn/discuss that really benefit to us. :)
Let's Move On Guys

I listen to you....all of time mostly people indonesia only hear or know from our media if any issue regarding indonesia-malaysia relationship. So we hear just from one side only, i believe every story have two side...so i am very thankful for explanation from kelvin. Frankly i not comfort with this "confrontation" between us...so if any issue between us is good if we could discus it, right???

BTW: yes we no that terang bulan is adopt from french song....its just media who blow this issue...

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 30th, 2009, 04:55 PM

after this.. what else they will claim?..baju kurung?...sate?,keris?, baju melayu?

mari kita teka ramai2...hehe...:banana:

maybe ca be a new tread also...:lol:

Dear arep...

Don't worry bro...we will never claim those all...as melayu people...we share culture right...if you read my discussion with kelvin you will know the reason why the claim culture issue is happened..

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

ethan

August 31st, 2009, 01:25 AM

Ditto ;) That said, I'll be back for Raya holiday by Firefly. Will update my experience with the airline and also Subang Skypark (my first time with Firefly!).

Hope you enjoy your flight. I did!!!

KelvinKoh

August 31st, 2009, 07:33 AM

Dear arep...

Don't worry bro...we will never claim those all...as melayu people...we share culture right...if you read my discussion with kelvin you will know the reason why the claim culture issue is happened..

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

Dear Danang,

we have to look back at history to understand the differences of nations in SEA. i'm referring to Siam, Khmer (Cambodian), Malay and Javanese.

those 4 races had adopted Hinduism as religion and way of life, which influent their culture as well. the story of Ramayana and Hanuman (and garuda) that becoming the core of SEA's culture came from India. the land Hinduism was born.

http://www.comm.unt.edu/histofperf/KNoteboom/Ramayana%20Dancers.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/2363465224_72806c7765_b.jpg

^^ can u differentiate which one is Khmer and which one is Siam, Danang?

i guess not. bcoz they are too close culturally. they share the culture and history. series of war happen between Siam and Khmer throughout history even until now they hate each other. cambodian claming siam 'maling' their culture and vice versa.

http://www.fortunatur.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ramayana-prambanan-yogyakarta.jpg

^^ javanese version of ramayana.

.........so, if Siam, Khmer and Javanese has their own version of Ramayana, how about Malay? where is Malay's?

the answer is...IT WAS DISSAPPERED!

how?

from a massive Islamization

yes.

Malay people experienced Islamization for so long, much longer than javanese.

Kesultanan Melaka dan kemudian Kesultanan Johor-Riau adalah kesultanan yang besar di kepulauan nusantara. Kesultanan-kesultanan ini adalah kesultanan Islam.

bagaimanapula di kepulauan Jawa?

Selepas jatuhnya kerajaan Majapahit (Hindu), masyarakat jawa sudah tidak ada kerajaan yang besar. Kerajaan Mataram adan Banten yang Islam itu terlalu kecil untuk mempengaruhi budaya masyarakat jawa.

hasilnya, pengaruh kebudayaan yang masih Hindu itu kekal di Jawa.

KelvinKoh

August 31st, 2009, 07:50 AM

apa bukti masyarakat melayu dahulu kala turut mempunyai kisah ramayana?

buktinya melalui naskah purba HIKAYAT MERONG MAHAWANGSA which was written in 12th century. juga naskah SEJARAH MELAYU yang ditulis sekitar 1600.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6G2Z67ReQ54/SgGWDVYkSEI/AAAAAAAAAjE/GO1iuvt5uzY/s320/huikayat+merong+mahawangsa+pic.jpg

di dalam naskah tersebut penuh dengan kisah-kisah ramayana, sita dan garuda.

even the first King of Srivijaya (Hindu Malay) turut disembah dan dijadikan bahan puja oleh masyarakat hindu di sekitar nusantara.

tetapi kisah2 tersebut telah hilang kerna proses Islamisasi yang bermula di Melaka dan Johor.

hasilnya, lahir dalam masyarakat melayu budaya yang 'Islamic' dan bercirikan kebudayaan timur tengah.

contoh: Musik Gambus dan tarian Zapin

6N1HR4iM42U

itu adalah sebahagian daripada 'budaya baru' yang wujud selepas Islam...

KelvinKoh

August 31st, 2009, 08:19 AM

Kelantan Wayang Kulit. speaking kelantanese...

iJJH1SqWBmE

VuahfpF_LJA

------------------------------------------------------------
dan yang ini pula wayang jawa di indonesia.

perhatikan perbedaannya.

yang jawa tidak ada warna, yang di kelantan mempunyai warna. selain dari bunyian, bahasa dan gaya penceritaan yang beda.

NsdlIcjFqzk

selain dari rupa watak yang berbeza, musik iringan wayang jawa adalah GAMELAN manakala di kelantan adalah musik GENDANG

silverian86

August 31st, 2009, 08:20 AM

I propose that we compose a new national anthem and archive "Negaraku" as part of our heritage. Sejahtera Malaysia or Demi Negara sound like good options.

By the way, I was doing a search on Terang Bulan in wikipedia and guess what I found:

Terang Bulan ia a song adopted from a famous song during the late 19th century in the French occupied territories in the Indian Ocean.

The song was composed by Pierre-Jean de Béranger (1780-1857), a French lyricist. It became a popular French melody, and was prominent on the island of Mahé in Seychelles. The song's popularity spread across the Indian Ocean and reached as far as the Malay Archipelago early in the 20th century. In 1901, it was presented as Perak State Anthem during installation ceremony of King Edward VII. In 1920s, an Indonesian Bangsawan made the first debut of the song while performing in Singapore. The melody soon became very popular among the the people and was given the name Terang Bulan (Bright Moon), becoming a Malay 'evergreen', playing at parties, in cabarets and sung by almost everybody in the 1920s and 1930s. Today, of course, since independence, it is not played as a popular melody, and any such use is proscribed by statute.

Now who is stealing whose culture?

I heard this before...and I already post this fact (in Malay) and they suddenly make stupid debate about this. Without giving any support fact, they jus keep arguing and make another issuue there
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=42138022#post42138022

silverian86

August 31st, 2009, 08:24 AM

sometimes i dont understand why indonesian so hate malaysian..we are same race why we have to fight each other?....

they never want to admit..that we have our own culture too..they always said we stole, we claim their culture...but hv u guys heard our leader has claim their culture?

they think orng melayu, jawa, bugis, minang only in indonesia...:bash:

They hate Malaysia because they not get our country to make super bigger Indonesia raya. Thanks god we are not part of their country :cheers:

nazrey

August 31st, 2009, 08:38 AM

contoh: Musik Gambus dan tarian Zapin

6N1HR4iM42U

itu adalah sebahagian daripada 'budaya baru' yang wujud selepas Islam...

I like it so much...many thanks bro!! :cheers:

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 31st, 2009, 09:07 AM

Dear Kelvin...

Good observations..
Yeah i do belive that Malaysia have a root of hindus culture...
base on history...in the past malaysia is part of a great srivijaya kingdom (hindus kingdom)...they exist for many century...so there should be a hindus culture in malaysia...you should investigate it..i think it will be a good discovery..right??? just for scientific inquiry...

If Kingdom Of Melaka doing masive islamization...different think happened in javanese with Kingdom Of Mataram...
Kingdom Of Mataram doing islam aculturization ... a combined culture between islam with hindus culture...so Mataram not crush out the hindu culture...tapi mereka memasukan nilai2 islam dalam budaya hindu...not the religion or ritual...just the culture object...like the architecture…

example...masjid with hindus architecture...or wayang jawa... ETC...

pls see: www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=26949...

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

DanangSuthoWijoyo

August 31st, 2009, 09:13 AM

They hate Malaysia because they not get our country to make super bigger Indonesia raya. Thanks god we are not part of their country :cheers:

No...not like that bro...

In my opinion, its just a misunderstanding...miscomunication...and MEDIA OVER BLOW UP...

especially misunderstanding about TKI, culture claim, illegal loging in kalimantan, and border issue..

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

arepull87

August 31st, 2009, 10:58 AM

No...not like that bro...

In my opinion, its just a misunderstanding...miscomunication...and MEDIA OVER BLOW UP...

especially misunderstanding about TKI, culture claim, illegal loging in kalimantan, and border issue..

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

dear danang,

since u already know the truth behind all this controversial issue that made by ur media...why not u try to explain to ur fellow friend in ssc indonesia?...

poor them..they never know the truth...they never read other source except ur media..u can see the way they thinking....u can see they never admit their mistake...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=705696

Lastresorter

August 31st, 2009, 11:03 AM

^^ Danang, based on what I saw from the Indonesia warteg thread, it has been super duper overblown... as if a mammoth stomping the ground to kill anything around it.

nazrey

August 31st, 2009, 11:06 AM

Only Danang is such good improve his mind here!! :) Thank god!

arepull87

August 31st, 2009, 11:26 AM

i really hope most indonesian still rational toward the issue that provoke by their media....i think only those who are blind culture, blind history, blind knowledge, close minded will continue to argue this matter....

XNeo

August 31st, 2009, 11:42 AM

They claim "ikan Arwana'

http://hendrasiry.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/indonesia-perlu-patenkan-ikan-arwana-super-red/

of course super red..banjar arowana origin from indonesia and arowana's fan knows that. if they really crazy about 'klaim' then they shud patent these fish oso.:) .

BUT anyway..malaysia do have its superb arowana species which is cross back golden based arowana and blue base arowana..originated from sungai pahang n bukit merah perak .for me..this arowana paling cantek. ..and the best :cheers:..but yet the most expensive huhu.

malaysia no need to patent this fish since aro's fan worldwide knows its originated from malaysia derived by malaysian established aro's business.

http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/arowana/asian.php

XNeo

August 31st, 2009, 01:15 PM

Yes some people called malysia as malingsia...but not...they called malingsia because malysian people called us "indon"....is similar as niger for afro america...

But for i don't really care you call me indon or not....

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

from wikipedia :
Indon is a short term for Indonesia and Indonesian, similar to Brit for Briton or British, that was used widely in Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei and The Philippines [1] to refer Indonesia or Indonesian for short. Some Indonesian media has formerly used the term,[2] however it is no longer in usage.

not only Malaysia called indonesian- Indon...

and its has been for many years with no objection from Indonesia govern until hot issue arise between both country.
and as usual always malaysia being hatred for calling indonesian - indon.

XNeo

August 31st, 2009, 04:25 PM

del

arepull87

August 31st, 2009, 05:31 PM

I heard this before...and I already post this fact (in Malay) and they suddenly make stupid debate about this. Without giving any support fact, they jus keep arguing and make another issuue there
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=42138022#post42138022

ya they always make other issue...they never give any fact or source that support their statement....what they know just arguing..arguing..and arguing...no fact, no evidence just stupid referent from their 'trusted' smart media...

look at their warteg ssc..there are still some of them play the issue tarian pendet..sometimes i think they never read older post...how many explanation already given but there are still stupid person continue arguing this matter....:bash:

Lastresorter

August 31st, 2009, 06:13 PM

^^ That's why let's just leave that thread back to their own ranting. Like I said earlier, it doesnt really matter 'coz the world still recognise Malaysia's effort more when it comes to promoting these cultural heritage. If we failed, I don't think that would ever become an issue to them. It's because they are made famous by Malaysia that draws all these unnecessary attention.

Remember how "lah" made it into an English dictionary but they call it Singaporean instead of Malaysian? Most Malaysians would have that "sour" feeling because "lah" was used widely in Malaysia and we thought it was supposed to be Malaysian. The difference is, we didnt have any massive protest or word war or place a bomb threat in Singapore High Commission. We did have some sensible and intellectual debates on that matter in our various media though :) We somehow accepted the fact that it was Singapore who made "lah" popular in the global arena, and we never tried to stop Singaporean from using "lah".

By the way, is Indonesian media going to claim "lah" as well if they knew this?

XNeo

August 31st, 2009, 06:43 PM

sometimes i tried to ignored them but when they keep debating nonsense....its keep me (and others fellow members here) to defend malaysia..in cyber world :).

its annoying when some of them still keep claiming Sipadan and Ligitan (developed by malaysian) belong to them even after the ICJ have decided (or perhaps their media not telling this to them :) ...

not like Pulau Batu Putih (developed by Singaporean) issue between Malaysia n Singapore.Singapore wins and there are no fights ....

arepull87

August 31st, 2009, 07:45 PM

ya la...i try to ignored them..but they are very rude and insult country's dignity....they speak like our country is really bad neighbor,no cultural, no heritage and we are bad people...and surprisingly so many among of them believe their media report...that why sometimes me and some malaysian forumer here try to defend our country....

it very hurt when country's name worsened by those irresponsible, stupid people there..they such as those people who has no knowledgeable, having thought old-fashioned and very rude....their language also symbolizing their level of thought so low....so sad when a country that should be our friend..having malicious and jealous feeling towards its own neighbor....:ohno:

Lastresorter

August 31st, 2009, 08:05 PM

^^ It's ok you know... do you realise that everytime when some forumers here talk bad about Singapore, no Singaporean forumers would come in and debate with them? and that makes Sg forumers look much more civilised while these forumers look like crooks. It's just like an elegant Prada lady who would go, "ohh, I so dowan to bring myself down to quarrel with the pasar aunty".

And really, when you are good, you won't have to defend yourself because reality will, and others will (see the skybar in worldforum - how many non-malaysian forumers actually speak up for us). The more you have to defend, the more it shows you are actually not that good (becoz no one wants to defend you but you yourself).

arepull87

September 1st, 2009, 02:03 AM

maybe u are right..why must waste energy, to provide information on those would are not likely to accept it...give anything reason, evidence, they would still denied it....

Their level of thought is very different...hatred and revenge be their basis of discussion..anything evidence would be rejected..for them all is belong to Indonesia, anything..the culture, heritage, even plant and animal also...difficult to have a too ego neighbor and think immature....

better we move forward and let them further with their revenge and hatred...as long as their mind is unchanged, as long as they will be permanently hate us....

this is the result having extreme media freedom....

'selamat hari ulang tahun ke 52 malaysia'...

i like indonesia actually, they have very beautiful country..and i still remember my trip to bali last year...:)

KelvinKoh

September 1st, 2009, 02:33 AM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Bp0Z6KCtBKI/R1oqfREUSOI/AAAAAAAAABM/Qy_jcvqSxSk/s1600/KOTA%2BW%2Baerial%2Bvisual.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Bp0Z6KCtBKI/R1oy3BEUSQI/AAAAAAAAABc/PxXsUDAi62k/s1600/kota%2Bwarisan%2Bfortress%2Bexterior.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Bp0Z6KCtBKI/R1ozOxEUSRI/AAAAAAAAABk/fiaEX0QBYuE/s1600/kota%2Bw%2Bkampung%2Bscene.jpg

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^^ Projek KOTA WARISAN - on going in planning stage. should start construction by next year. the project under collaboration between Culture and Heritage Ministry and Enfinity Production (Tiara Jacquelina's)

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A MALAYSIAN CULTURAL VILLAGE IN KUALA LUMPUR

Visitors to Malaysia will be introduced to another major attraction that will make their holiday in Malaysia an unforgettable one.

KOTA WARISAN Kuala Lumpur will be an authentic Malaysian Cultural Village, right in the heart of the city,in Jalan Davis.

A CULTURAL VILLAGE WITH A DIFFERENCE:

The difference will be the EXPERIENCE. A visit to KOTA WARISAN will be an interactive experience where guests are put into the environment and participate in activities at the Village rather than just,for instance, watching a passive display of culture on stage in a hotel lobby.

THE CONCEPT:

Drawing on our experience and strength in theatre and particularly in musicals, KOTA WARISAN will be presented in the form of a combination of ENVIRONMENTAL and PROMENADE THEATRE, which immerses and involves the audience in the performance; where all the villagers are performers, the action happens around the audience and the audience follows the performers around the space.

THE EXPERIENCE:

KOTA WARISAN is a fortified village that comes to life with traditional songs, dances and activities daily from 5.00 pm. It is an authentic traditional village where one can witness the experience of folklore and legends shared from the hearts of the old through the lives of the young.

Before entering the gateway, visitors are greeted by the Bendahara or Prime Minister and visitors are briefed on Malaysian village customs as well as palace protocol.

OUR AIM:

Our aim is for each visitor to leave the village with a authentic, deeper and more spiritual experience, an understanding of what it is that makes us unique as Malaysia; how our history, traditions, customs and rituals form a big part of our lives even today, how we lived, what we ate, and more importantly, a lasting memory of “living” amongst the people of Malaysia for the day!

At this point, several tour leaders will be introduced in the form of costumed characters from Malay folklore, e.g Pak Pandir, Si Luncai etc. These bi-lingual costumed characters will play the roles of teacher, comedian and host, providing information on our culture and traditions as visitors encounter and experience it, and advising on the protocol that is expected throughout their tour of KOTA WARISAN; all the while injecting their commentary with generous doses of humour. Female Visitors are then given a “selendang”, Male visitors are given a Sarong to wear over their clothes.

They are now ready to be a part of the set and the experience.

WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE VILLAGE?

Within the village, there are re-enactments of everyday life and the activities of our people, including food preparation, weaponry, weaving, and even Malay customs and traditions such as a Malay Wedding, the Cukur Jambul Ceremony…

…and even a Circumcision ceremony!

Once again education is mixed with humour, and the entire crowd becomes involved in the dancing, singing, food preparation, and will even experience kampung-style “gotong-royong” spirit as they help out in wedding preparations.

Visitors to KOTA WARISAN will get a taste of both the village spirit as well as experience the grandeur of the highest rung of our culture and society, when their tour ends with an invitation to the Malay Royal Palace. Here, the finest of Malay Architecture, a stage performance and a dinner fit for a Sultan will crown the day’s journey.

Rizpunk

September 1st, 2009, 07:19 AM

that's harsh and insulting, dude. let them insult us, but never show this attitude towards them. show them that we can behave in a very matured manner.

btw, you should support ur statement with fact. don't just simply make a baseless assumption.

Dear Mr KelvinKoh

Pls Read this :-

The Star
Saturday,

Malaysia ranked 11th most preferred study destination
By RICHARD LIM

PUTRAJAYA: Malaysia is currently the world’s 11th most preferred study destination.

The conclusion was based on the fact that 69,154 international students from more than 150 countries have chosen Malaysia as the country they wanted to study in.

With THE MAJORITY OF STUDENTS coming from INDONESIA, China and the Middle East, the new figure was a 26.5% increase from the old count of 50,788, which was recorded on March 31 last year. The ranking was obtained from the Institute of International Education.

Higher Education Minister Datuk Seri Mohamed Khaled Nordin said the rise indicated that the ministry’s target to have 80,000 international students by 2010 was achievable.

“We’re happy to have 2% of the world’s international student population,” he told reporters yesterday after announcing the National Higher Education Strategic Plan’s progress report.

“Malaysia is now regarded as an emerging contender to attract international students and we will improve our efforts as there will be an estimated eight million international students by 2025.”

The percentage was taken from the Unesco Institute for Statistics.

Mohamed Khaled said the ministry’s drive to liberalise higher education would not result in an influx of foreign institutions.

“Liberalisation does not mean any foreign university can come to Malaysia.

“Rather, it is co-ordinated regulation that encourages healthy competition amongst private institutions.”

The ministry has already given the green light for Newcastle University of Medicine to set up a branch campus at Iskandar Malaysia’s Educity in Nusajaya, Johor.

It is understood that local conglomerates are negotiating with the Korean Maritime Univer-sity, Southampton University, Royal Holloway University, King’s College London, the Univer-sity of Birmingham and Murdoch University to set up branch campuses in Malaysia.

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 1st, 2009, 07:49 AM

Dear all...

Recently in Indonesia have a theory about Indonesia-Malaysia relationship…
This is very harsh theory because very provocative, and I still cannot believe about this theory. But some people in Indonesia believed with this theory…this is the reason why some people is very sensitive or maybe emotional recently if talking about Malaysia.

I hope you understand that this only theory by some people in indonesia, no hard feeling and not try to judge malaysia.
Because i am personaly not believe about this theory. Because stil not proven and just base on asumption.

Teror Indonesia

Otak dibelakang semua teror ini adalah Dr Azzahari Husein, Noordin M Top, yang keduany adalah warga negara malaysia. Lalu kenapa mereka tidak melakukan pengeboman di Malaysia kalau alasannya ingin melenyapkan Amerika dan kaum kafir ? Di Malaysia ada pusat perjudian Genting highlands, di Malaysia banyak turis asing sejak mereka gencar berpromosi dengan Truly Asianya. Semua yang dijadikan sasaran teroris, Hotel JW Marriott, Hotel Ritz Carlton dan Kedutaan Amerika serta Australia, semuanya juga memiliki cabang di Malaysia, kenapa Indonesia yang di bom ?
Ketika bom Bali pada Oktober 2005 dan bom di Kedutaan Australia pada September 2004. Bali dipilih, karena salah satu lokasi wisata yang paling terkenal di Dunia, setiap tahunnya kunjungan turis asing ke Bali mengalahkan kunjungan turis asing ke Malaysia. Merasa tidak bisa bersaing, maka Malaysia membom Bali. Jumlah turis ke Bali menjadi sepi dan hampir semua berpindah ke Malaysia, yang kemudian gencar promosi dengan Malaysia Truly Asianya.

Sekedar informasi bahwa Malaysia terobsesi menjadikan Negaranya Pusat Kebudayaan se-Asia. Saat Malaysia merebut sipadan dan Ligitan dari Indonesia, dimaksudkan untuk menandingi Bali ? kenapa kedutaan Australia di Indonesia yang di Bom? mengapa bukan Amerika? Karena hubungan antara Indonesia dan Australia yang kurang akur, tetapi walaupun sering terjadi konflik kunjungan wisatawan asing ke Indonesia-Bali banyak yang berasal dari Australia dan korban Bom Bali terbanyak adalah warga Australia, dengan mengebom kedutaan Australia di Indonesia, Malaysia berharap akan terjadi konflik antara Indonesia dengan Australia, Malaysia berharap bisa meraup wisatawan dari Australia yang mengeluarkan Travel warning dan mengalihkan wisatanya dari Indonesia.

Dari sejumlah korban yang berjatuhan akibat teror bom di Indonesia tidak ada satu orangpun warga negara Malaysia yang menjadi korban.
Negara yang selamat dari Resesi Global di Asia hanya 3 negara (Indonesia, China & India). Malaysia anjlok dengan pertumbuhan ekonomi minus 6%!. Produk andalan mereka (Kelapa sawit dan karet harganya anjlok di pasar dunia. mereka harus mencari sumber baru). sumber baru itu bernama Ambalat. Lepas pantai ambalat menyimpan banyak cadangan minyak bumi yang nilainya luar biasa. Karena berada di Indonesia, maka malaysia mencoba melakukan provokasi kepada Indonesia dengan harapan Indonesia merespon dan menyerang terlebih dahulu, kalau sudah demikian dan terjadi perang terbuka, maka Malaysia akan mengadukannya kepada Mahkamah Internasional.
Malaysia gagal memprovokasi Indonesia di Ambalat maka Malaysia melakukan terror bom. Disaat Indonesia baru selesai Pemilu dengan kisruh DPT dan bersiap menyambut MU, ditambah dengan kepercayaan dunia Internasional yang tinggi yaitu: konferensi berskala internasional banyak dilakukan di Indonesia. Malaysia membom Hotel Ritz Carlton dan JW Marriot dengan harapan pengeboman terjadi karena orang yang tidak puas dengan Pemilu.

Mengapa di lakukan 17 Juli? mengapa tidak tanggal 19/20 ketika MU sudah berada di Hotel Ritz Carlton ? mengapa dilakukan di saat pagi hari ? karena yang diincar adalah kegiatan CEO Breakfast meeting yang berlangsung. Meeting itu merupakn pertemuan rutin yang dihadiri oleh para petinggi perusahaan TAMBANG yang ada di Indonesia, tujuannya memberikan image kepada dunia bahwa Indonesia bukan tempat yang aman untuk berinvestasi dan berharap pengerjaan blok Ambalat pertambangan, akan jatuh ke tangan mereka.

Malaysia juga melakukan tindakan2 yang berpeluang menimbulkan konfrontasi:

1. Puluhan kali kapal-kapal perang milik Malaysia masuk ke wilayah perairan Indonesia, diantaranya wilayah Ambalat dan perbatasan di Kalimantan. Meskipun Pemerintah Indonesia sudah berpuluh-puluh kali melayang nota protes diplomatic, kejadian pelanggaran wilayah tetap saja dilakukan oleh pihak Malaysia.
2. Beberapa wilayah Indonesia sudah diklaim dan akan diklaim sebagai wilayah Malaysia. Salah satu wilayah yang sudah menjadi milik Malaysia yakni pulau Sipadan yang dimenangkan Malaysia dalam sidang Arbitrase Internasional.
3. Beberapa tapal batas antara Malaysia dan Indonesia yang berada di wilayah Kalimantan bergeser kedalam wilayah Indonesia yang mengakibatkan luas wilayah Malaysia bertambah. Pergeseran ini diduga dilakukan oleh oknum-oknum Malaysia untuk menguasai produksi kayu yang ada diwilayah Kalimantan.
4. Perusakan hutan dan pencurian kayu diwilayah perbatasan Kalimantan hampir seluruhnya di otaki oleh pengusaha-pengusaha Malaysia dengan memanfaatkan masyarakat setempat sebagai pelaku lapangan.
5. Pemerintah Malaysia jauh lebih takut dengan keberadaan TKI di negeri Jiran tersebut dibandingkan dengan keberadaan teroris. Hal ini dibuktikan dengan kerapnya Pemerintah Malaysia melakukan rahasia-rahasia terhadap warga Negara Indonesia yang berada di Malaysia, meskipun masyarakat Indonesia yang berada di Malaysia mempunyai dokumen lengkap, banyak juga dari mereka yang tetap dianggap pendatang illegal dan terpaksa dibui.
6. Puluhan bahkan ratusan kasus penganiyaan TKI dan TKW di Malaysia tidak mendapat perlindungan dan kepastian hukum, banyak dari mereka yang pulang ke Indonesia cacat seumur hidup dan bahkan sudah menjadi mayat.
7. Hasil kebudayaan dan seni Indonesia banyak sekali yang diklaim oleh Malaysia, dan secara terang-terangan mereka mengakui semuanya merupakan hasil karya bangsa Malaysia.
8. Hampir semua pelaku terror bom di Indonesia diotaki oleh teroris berkebangsaan Malaysia, dan sampai saat ini belum ada kebijakan tegas dari Pemerintah Malaysia untuk bekerjasama menangkap pelaku yang sampai saat ini berkeliaran di Indonesia.
Tak cuma sering mengklaim budaya Indonesia seperti tari pendet, wayang, angklung, keris dan sebagainya, Malaysia ternyata sudah membeli semua karya sastra dan budaya dari Kepulauan Riau dan Mentawai. Hal ini diungkapkan oleh pegiat masyarakat nusantara Bondan Gunawan Sabtu 29 Agustus kemarin dalam sebuah acara diskusi. Bondan menilai, langkah Malaysia yang membeli karya sastra dan budaya Indonesia dapat dikategorikan teror budaya. Malaysia telah mendeklarasikan perang budaya terhadap Indonesia.

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I hope this theory is not true...

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

bagak

September 1st, 2009, 07:49 AM

hahaha..I think there's sumthing teribbly wrong with these Indonesians. First, who wants to go study there in the first place? Our local universities and private colleges are way better than them, and ironically, thousands of Indons are studying in Malaysia. Oh God, why do I even bother...

Dear Mr pUNK
Pls Read this :-
University World News

INDONESIA: Dispute over foreign students
David Jardine
17 May 2009
http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=2009051511111633

An inter-ministerial battle has broken out over the number of foreign students taking up places in the country's university medical faculties. The row involves the Ministry of National Education and the Heath Ministry with the Health Minister claiming the number of foreign medical students disadvantages Indonesians.

Siti Fadilah Supari is no stranger to controversy as it was she who refused to participate in international research into the H5N1 bird flu virus by blocking the release of tissue from Indonesian virus fatalities. She claimed at the time that the only beneficiaries would the big pharmaceutical firms.

In her latest intervention, Supari claimed the number of foreign medical students was disadvantageous to Indonesians. She has urged universities admitting foreign students to review their policies so more places are available for local would-be medics.

A spokeswoman for the minister asked the media, "Why are our lecturers so enthusiastic about teaching foreigners while Indonesia is still in desperate need of doctors?"

Critics say that this is something of a red herring because one of the major factors restricting the number of Indonesian medical students is the cost of admission. Equally, completing the courses is prohibitively expensive.

The spokeswoman, Lily Sulistyowati, said: "The minister is concerned that foreign students will outnumber Indonesian students."

But, the Education Ministry noted that only 13 of the 60 medical faculties at some 2,800 state and private universities accepted foreign students. The majority of these were from neighbouring Malaysia.

The pro-active Director-General for Higher Education, Fasli Jalal, who has been noted here several times, said the Education Ministry limited foreigners to 10% of placements and that no university had broken the rule. Jalal stressed that foreign students paid 10 times as much as their Indonesian counterparts and that the income thus generated could be used for the benefit of the locals.

In fact, it is difficult to see how Indonesian medical faculties would draw in large numbers of medical students anyway, as the local medical schools do not enjoy a strong reputation abroad. Still, Supari is likely to be unrepentant.

bagak

September 1st, 2009, 07:53 AM

Dear all...

Recently in Indonesia have a theory about Indonesia-Malaysia relationship…

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

Mana teorinya oom/mas/pak/bang...? tu artikel gak jelas panjang lebar mau ngasih tau apa...?

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 1st, 2009, 08:16 AM

Mana teorinya oom/mas/pak/bang...? tu artikel gak jelas panjang lebar mau ngasih tau apa...?

Dibacalah bos...sorry kl kepanjangan..sumbernya lebih panjang lagi soale...
Ya aku singkat deh:

Adanya teori bahwa Malaysia sengaja ingin berkonfrontasi dengan Indonesia, ini yang membuat warga indonesia benci dengan Malaysia, yaitu:

1. Puluhan kali kapal-kapal perang milik Malaysia masuk ke wilayah perairan Indonesia, diantaranya wilayah Ambalat dan perbatasan di Kalimantan. Meskipun Pemerintah Indonesia sudah berpuluh-puluh kali melayang nota protes diplomatic, kejadian pelanggaran wilayah tetap saja dilakukan oleh pihak Malaysia.

2. Beberapa wilayah Indonesia sudah diklaim dan akan diklaim sebagai wilayah Malaysia. Salah satu wilayah yang sudah menjadi milik Malaysia yakni pulau Sipadan yang dimenangkan Malaysia dalam sidang Arbitrase Internasional.

3. Beberapa tapal batas antara Malaysia dan Indonesia yang berada di wilayah Kalimantan bergeser kedalam wilayah Indonesia yang mengakibatkan luas wilayah Malaysia bertambah. Pergeseran ini diduga dilakukan oleh oknum-oknum Malaysia untuk menguasai produksi kayu yang ada diwilayah Kalimantan.

4. Perusakan hutan dan pencurian kayu diwilayah perbatasan Kalimantan hampir seluruhnya di otaki oleh pengusaha-pengusaha Malaysia dengan memanfaatkan masyarakat setempat sebagai pelaku lapangan.

5. Pemerintah Malaysia jauh lebih takut dengan keberadaan TKI di negeri Jiran tersebut dibandingkan dengan keberadaan teroris. Hal ini dibuktikan dengan kerapnya Pemerintah Malaysia melakukan rahasia-rahasia terhadap warga Negara Indonesia yang berada di Malaysia, meskipun masyarakat Indonesia yang berada di Malaysia mempunyai dokumen lengkap, banyak juga dari mereka yang tetap dianggap pendatang illegal dan terpaksa dibui.

6. Puluhan bahkan ratusan kasus penganiyaan TKI dan TKW di Malaysia tidak mendapat perlindungan dan kepastian hukum, banyak dari mereka yang pulang ke Indonesia cacat seumur hidup dan bahkan sudah menjadi mayat.

7. Hasil kebudayaan dan seni Indonesia banyak sekali yang diklaim oleh Malaysia, dan secara terang-terangan mereka mengakui semuanya merupakan hasil karya bangsa Malaysia.

8. Hampir semua pelaku terror bom di Indonesia diotaki oleh teroris berkebangsaan Malaysia, dan sampai saat ini belum ada kebijakan tegas dari Pemerintah Malaysia untuk bekerjasama menangkap pelaku yang sampai saat ini berkeliaran di Indonesia.

Sehingga ada teori bahwa...teror bom di indonesia di otaki oleh malaysia...alasannya persaingan wisata...malaysia merasa ga bisa menyaingi bali makanya bali di bom supaya wisatawan pada lari ke malaysia, untuk mengesankan bahwa Indonesia bukan negara yang aman.

tapi sekali lagi ini hanya teori....karena aku percaya tidak ada negara yang sejahat itu kecuali Israel dan Amerika...

Lebih jelasnya baca:

http://public.kompasiana.com/2009/09/01/malaysia-of-the-nation-terror-for-indonesia/

KelvinKoh

September 1st, 2009, 08:21 AM

Dear Danang,

teori itu ternyata fitnah dan berniat buruk.

tetapi andai perkara tersebut berlaku di Malaysia dan yang melakukan teror tersebut adalah warga Indonesia, saya tidak menolak yang malaysia juga akan menuduh perkara yang sama.

sebenarnya yang memulakan permusuhan Indonesia-Malaysia ialah Soekarno. dia yang pertama mengajar org indonesia untuk 'Ganyang Malaysia'...dan istilah tersebut kekal hingga ke hari ini.

mengapa aksi teror banyak dilakukan di indonesia? simple reason. population! bumi indonesia yang berpenduduk 250 million memudahkan teroris bersembunyi. selain itu indonesia tidak ada satu undang-undang kayak ISA (internal security act) di Malaysia dan Singapore yang mencegah aktiviti teror.

bukti jelas. Mas Selamat yang melarikan diri dari penjara singapura akhirnya ditemui di Johor, Malaysia. di malaysia, penduduk cuma 26 million. lebih mudah untuk mengesan penjenayah.

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 1st, 2009, 08:34 AM

Dear Kelvin,

Like i said before..this is still theory.
But soon or later Govt of Malaysia need to make clarify or explanation about this theory...if not....i worried is geting worse and worse...and as my president said.."indonesia and malaysia is neighbour until end of days...did we want confrotation every day???"....i am prefer no...

So need very intencive dialog between our govt tho clarify all issue...this is my opinion..

Every story have to side, who start confrontation between Indonesia-Malaysia in Soekarno era??
Malaysia said indonesia...
Indonesia said Malaysia...

Thanks&Regards

Dr Jake

September 1st, 2009, 08:42 AM

World 2 World

September 1st, 2009, 08:54 AM

as I said before:

^^Let them move backward and let us move forward:)...I only can think one solution how to sort things out between Malaysian vs Indonesian especially SCC forumer over here:
"Just don't bother or answer them when they say/ask something stupid thing or try to provoke us. Guys, we know that whatever we say or try to explain they won't listen to us. Look what has happenend to tarian pendet, even the air is cleared that their media made a mistake, but they still hold the ground saying that we are the thief.
We, Malaysian are muture enough:)."

KelvinKoh

September 1st, 2009, 09:32 AM

Dibacalah bos...sorry kl kepanjangan..sumbernya lebih panjang lagi soale...
Ya aku singkat deh:

Adanya teori bahwa Malaysia sengaja ingin berkonfrontasi dengan Indonesia, ini yang membuat warga indonesia benci dengan Malaysia, yaitu:

1. Puluhan kali kapal-kapal perang milik Malaysia masuk ke wilayah perairan Indonesia, diantaranya wilayah Ambalat dan perbatasan di Kalimantan. Meskipun Pemerintah Indonesia sudah berpuluh-puluh kali melayang nota protes diplomatic, kejadian pelanggaran wilayah tetap saja dilakukan oleh pihak Malaysia.

2. Beberapa wilayah Indonesia sudah diklaim dan akan diklaim sebagai wilayah Malaysia. Salah satu wilayah yang sudah menjadi milik Malaysia yakni pulau Sipadan yang dimenangkan Malaysia dalam sidang Arbitrase Internasional.

perebutan wilayah adalah perkara biasa untuk mana-mana negara di seluruh dunia. antara Jepun dengan Korea, China dengan Vietnam, India dengan Pakistan, Thailand dengan Burma, UK dengan Ireland......

itu bukan sebab untuk RAKYAT bermusuhan. kerana itu adalah persoalan antara PEMERINTAH sama PEMERINTAH. melainkan jika media turut mengajak rakyat turut sama terlibat kerana ingin melariskan jualan koran.

kalo begitu, lebih baik malaysia mengclaim pulau natuna dan pulau anambas di laut china selatan..;) kerana lebih dekat dengan wilayah malaysia berbanding indonesia.

P.S : having discussion doesn't mean we are having fight. unless if the intention is to have fight.

bagak

September 1st, 2009, 03:18 PM

Kerja Sama Paket Wisata Yogyakarta-Malaysia Jalan Terus

http://regional.kompas.com/read/xml/2009/09/01/2001333/Kerja.Sama.Paket.Wisata.Yogyakarta-Malaysia.Jalan.Terus
Laporan wartawan KOMPAS Idha Saraswati W Sejati

YOGYAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - Meskipun protes terhadap penggunaan produk budaya Indonesia dalam iklan pariwisata Malaysia masih muncul, kerja sama di bidang pariwisata antara Dinas Pariwisata Yogyakarta dengan Malaysian Tourism Board akan terus berlanjut. Program paket wisata dengan tujuan Borobudur (Indonesia) serta Penang dan Malaka (Malaysia) tersebut diharapkan bisa mendongkrak kunjungan wisatawan di kedua negara.
Kepala Dinas Pariwisata DIY Tazbir mengatakan, program kerjasama yang dinamai Unesco World Heritage 1-2-3 Package (satu paket perjalanan, dua negara, dan tiga lokasi wisata) yang disepakati awal Agustus lalu akan segera terealisasi. "Saat ini, total sudah ada 20 agen perjalanan wisata dari Indonesia dan Malaysia siap mendukung program tersebut. Maskapai Malaysian Airlines juga berkomitmen memberi harga khusus untuk paket wisata tersebut," jelasnya, Selasa (1/9).

Menanggapi protes masyarakat terhadap Malaysia, menurut Tazbir, harus ada pembedaan yang tegas antara mempromosikan lokasi wisata dengan atraksi wisata. Atraksi wisata seperti pertunjukkan wayang maupun tari-tarian bisa diadakan di Malaysia, namun lokasi wisata yang ada di Indonesia tidak mungkin dipindahkan. "Candi Borobudur kan tidak mungkin dipindahkan ke sana," ujarnya.

Candi Borobudur berada di Jawa Tengah. Namun lokasinya dianggap dekat Yogyakarta sehingga kerja sama dilakukan antara Malaysia dengan Yogyakarta. Paket Borobudur, Penang dan Malaka dibuat bagi wisatawan yang ingin mengunjungi situs heritage dunia. Target program ini adalah wisatawan asing dari luar kedua negara. Dari program ini, tingkat kunjungan wisatawan asing diharapkan bisa naik antara lima sampai sepuluh persen.

Tazbir menambahkan, Candi Borobudur memang lebih dikenal dunia dibanding Penang dan Malaka. Namun, promosi untuk menarik wisatawan perlu terus dilakukan. Melalui program paket wisata bersama tersebut, jangkauan promosi tentang Candi Borobudur akan semakin meluas. Sebab harus diakui, Malaysia memiliki dana yang lebih besar guna memajukan pariwisata di negaranya sehingga bisa lebih gencar dalam mempromosikan produk wisata.

Secara terpisah, Ketua Umum Asosiasi Perusahaan Perjalanan Indonesia (Asita) DIY MA Desky mengatakan, Malaysia terbukti lebih aktif berpromosi sehingga bisa mendatangkan wisataw an asing hingga 18 juta setahun. Melalui program ini, wisatawan asing yang datang ke Malaysia diharapkan bisa ditarik ke Indonesia.

arepull87

September 1st, 2009, 03:35 PM

bagak

September 1st, 2009, 03:52 PM

kan bagus kalo berita positif macamni ni...:)

ya elah kayak gak tau orang melayu aja, berantem bentar trus baikan lagi hihihihi.....

arepull87

September 1st, 2009, 04:37 PM

ya elah kayak gak tau orang melayu aja, berantem bentar trus baikan lagi hihihihi.....

bagak are u minang?...im minangkabau..u know negeri sembilan one of the state in malaysia has a lot of minangkabau people here...kajang a city in malaysia also has a lot of minang...my father said our grand-grand father come from bukit tinggi sumatera....currently Tuanku Muhriz Ibni Almarhum Tuanku Munawir is the yang dipertuan besar negeri sembilan and he is the leader of state ( other state the leader we call sultan or raja in perlis, yang dipertuan negeri in penang, malacca, sabah and sarawak)..and he is minangkabau of course...:)

to be yang dipertuan besar negeri sembialan u must come from royal family and u must a minangkabau.....^^

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 1st, 2009, 04:39 PM

P.S : having discussion doesn't mean we are having fight. unless if the intention is to have fight.

Yeah i agree with you....

Peace...

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 1st, 2009, 04:41 PM

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 1st, 2009, 04:44 PM

ya elah kayak gak tau orang melayu aja, berantem bentar trus baikan lagi hihihihi.....

Namanya juga sodara bang...biasalah kalo berantem...hehehehe

bagak

September 1st, 2009, 04:52 PM

bagak are u minang?...im minangkabau..u know negeri sembilan one of the state in malaysia has a lot of minangkabau people here...kajang a city in malaysia also has a lot of minang...my father said our grand-grand father come from bukit tinggi sumatera....currently Tuanku Muhriz Ibni Almarhum Tuanku Munawir is the yang dipertuan besar negeri sembilan and he is the leader of state ( other state the leader we call sultan or raja in perlis, yang dipertuan negeri in penang, malacca, sabah and sarawak)..and he is minangkabau of course...:)

to be yang dipertuan besar negeri sembialan u must come from royal family and u must a minangkabau.....^^

Iya, and I know there's lot of Minang people in Negeri sembilan, bahkan kalau di Sumatra Barat ada upacara "batagak gadang" semacam upacara pengukuhan datuk besar, para datuk dan penghulu dari Negeri Sembilan pasti datang...

KelvinKoh

September 1st, 2009, 06:18 PM

So kelvin...do you interesting visit Yogyakarta??:)

thanks&regards
HONAS

sure! love to see all Kraton raja-raja jawa...

but not now lah. kalau saya pergi sekarang, pasti akan diganyang oleh orang2 jogja...

atau nanti akan dituduh 'agen pemerintah malaysia untuk mencuri budaya indonesia' :lol:

nazrey

September 1st, 2009, 08:55 PM

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Located on the East Coast of Peninsular Malaysia, Tanjong Jara Resort is a sanctuary of luxury and well-being steeped in age-old Malay traditions. Designed to reflect the elegance and grandeur of 17th century Malay palaces, Tanjong Jara is a 99-room resort with an authentic taste of the region's spirit and an enduring embodiment of the gentle Malay art of service and hospitality.

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At Tanjong Jara you can choose from a wide variety of possible experiences - lazy and languid, energetic and outdoors, indulgent and regenerative, cultural and enlightening - it is your choice whether you fold them into a single visit, or you craft each visit differently to meet your needs.

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24-Hour Room Service: Elegance and luxury in an idyllic setting
By Sholto Byrnes Saturday, 29 August 2009
Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/asia/24hour-room-service-elegance-and-luxury-in-an-idyllic-setting-1778693.html

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Tanjong Jara, Malaysia
The east coast of the Malaysian peninsula is washed by some of the most pristine waters in the region, containing spectacular marine parks, turtle hatcheries and coral reefs. Tanjong Jara, the jewel in the crown of the luxury YTL Resorts group, is the only hotel for hundreds of miles to match natural with man-made splendour – the quiet state of Terengganu has not yet made it onto the mass-market tourist map.

First opened in 1979, Tanjong Jara was bought, then comprehensively refurbished and renovated by YTL a decade ago, its design based on the 17th-century palaces of the Malay sultans. It was way ahead of the trend for incorporating local rather than international style into its design and won an Aga Khan Award for Architecture.

Although the steep pitched roofs, gables and intricately carved fretwork echo the heyday of the Malay rulers, it is doubtful that they ever lived as sumptuously as guests at the hotel do now, especially so after the resort opened its award-winning Spa Village. Here, traditional Malay treatments all begin with being bathed and blessed seven times with Mandi Bunga water, which is paraded to the spa in jars with trays of flowers each morning, accompanied by a slow drum beat which was originally part of a sultan's coronation ceremony.

This procession happens just around the time late-risers finish breakfast, and is about the only sound to break the silence of a resort where the tempo is determinedly slow, the evening lights are dimmed, and the only drama comes from the occasional tropical storm.

Visitors (such as the actor Sam Neill, who was there when I stayed) who are content to laze at such a pace may have to stir themselves from the shade of a beach-front sofa or pool-side lounger, so beguilingly calm is the atmosphere. Watersports, a gym and tennis courts are there for the active, although few availed themselves of these on my visit. Most took it easy with a book by the two pools, the larger of which has a built-in Jacuzzi and easy access to the fresh catches and grilled meats served at Nelayan (Malay for fisherman) restaurant.

At the other end of the sprawling site, by the main entrance, Di Atas Sungei is built over a river channel. Here you discuss your dining requirements with a "talking menu" waiter (you can have pretty much anything you like, cooked however you want it) as the sound of the gamelan drifts over from the poolside Teratai Terrace bar. The only slight annoyance is the lack of a proper room service menu for those too relaxed to walk to a restaurant.

Location

Tanjong Jara is eight kilometres from the coastal town of Dungun and one hour's drive south of Kuala Terengganu airport, which is a 45-minute flight from Kuala Lumpur. Set between tropical rainforest and the South China Sea, the resort has no neighbours; sandy beaches stretch to the horizon to the south, while a small promontory marks its limit to the north. For those who choose to explore, there are plenty of diversions: the chef accompanies visitors to the morning fish market in Dungun, a nature cruise travels up the nearby Marang river, and trips are available to the 200m-high Chemerung Waterfall, to the traditional artisans and shipyard in Kuala Terengganu and to the fabulous coral gardens at Tenggol Island, 45 minutes away by speedboat.

Comfort

The low-lit rooms echo the colonnades of the main reception, with a series of dark wood arched panels covering the white walls of the main bedroom. A large double bed faces a TV and sound system built into a wooden pillar. Behind that, almost separating the room into two, is a lightly draped four-poster day bed, desk and chair. The wardrobe is a room in itself and the bathroom is enormous, fitted out with two washbasins, separate shower and large bath. Most of the hotel's 99 rooms are in two storey wooden chalets. Serambi rooms come with private verandas, Bambung without; single storey Anjung rooms have sunken baths and their own garden and the vast Anjung Suite has a bar and powder room.

Tanjong Jara, Batu 8, Off Jalan Dungun, Dungun, Terengganu, Malaysia (00 609 845 1100; tanjongjararesort.com )

khosim

September 2nd, 2009, 05:42 AM

Bangunan usang, restoran dan pantai kotor

PULAU PINANG 1 Sept. - Keindahan bangunan warisan yang nilai sejarahnya begitu tinggi dan menjadi salah satu produk pelancongan terpenting di negeri ini juga dicemari dengan bangunan usang terbiar yang boleh dilihat di mana-mana sahaja di sekitar bandar Georgetown.

Keadaan bangunan terbiar dan menyakitkan pandangan itu ditambah dengan keadaan persekitarannya yang 'menakutkan.'

Tinjauan yang dibuat menyusuri jalan-jalan utama di sekitar Lebuh Gereja, Lebuh Pantai dan Lebuh Carnarvon menyaksikan bangunan-bangunan lama ibarat 'hidup segan mati tak mahu.'

Deretan rumah kedai yang satu ketika dahulu berdiri megah menjalankan perniagaan kini bertukar wajah dan terbiar kaku ditelan usia menunggu masa untuk runtuh.

Ruang kosongnya sudah tentu tidak sesuai untuk dimanfaatkan apatah lagi untuk didiami tetapi ia menjadi syurga penagih dadah melepaskan 'hajat songsang.'

Bangunan usang ini bukan sahaja mencacatkan pemandangan dan membahayakan pejalan kaki malah boleh mengundang kebakaran.

Memang tidak dapat dinafikan kerajaan negeri sedang berusaha memelihara warisan silam yang tentunya memerlukan perancangan teliti dan kos yang bukan sedikit.

Namun, sampai bila 'teratak buruk' ini harus sabar menunggu giliran untuk 'didandan' semula atau hanya menanti masa untuk berkubur?

Selain itu, tabiat para penjaja yang kurang menitikberatkan kebersihan turut mencemari imej Pulau Pinang sebagai 'syurga makanan.'

Keadaan para penjaja tepi jalan atau di pusat-pusat penjaja yang menjadi tumpuan para pelancong seperti di Pesiaran Gurney dan Padang Kota sudah boleh membuat orang berfikir dua tiga kali untuk singgah menjamu selera.

Keadaan yang sama dapat dilihat di beberapa restoran di sekitar pusat bandar yang masih menjalankan kerja-kerja mencuci pinggan mangkuk di kaki lima selain mencampakkan sisa-sisa makanan ke tepi-tepi jalan raya.

Begitu juga dengan keadaan pantai peranginan dan laut di sekitar negeri yang terus dicemari sampah dan sisa kumbahan.

Tin, plastik, botol, kayu, ranting pokok dan lain-lain lagi adalah antara sampah sarap yang boleh dilihat dengan banyaknya sama ada terdampar di pantai dan terapung di laut Pulau Pinang terutama sekitar Padang Kota Lama dan Batu Feringghi.

Perkara yang dikesalkan ialah Padang Kota Lama contohnya menjadi tumpuan orang ramai serta pelancong untuk melihat peninggalan sejarah dan keindahan alam bukannya warisan sampah sarap.

Pembangunan berhampiran kawasan pantai juga menyebabkan penurunan kualiti alam yang membawa kepada pencemaran selain kehadiran obor-obor dan ular berbisa memburukkan lagi masalah.

Keadaan sebegini sebenarnya sudah lama berlarutan. Soalnya sampai bila akan terus sedemikian.

Kerajaan negeri perlu memulakan usaha pembersihan Pulau Pinang secara menyeluruh mengikut pendekatan bersepadu bagi memulihkan imej dan mewujudkan persekitaran bersih dan sihat di seluruh negeri.

Tindakan segera itu perlu diterajui oleh pihak berkuasa tempatan dan kajian menyeluruh perlu diambil dengan memberi keutamaan terhadap kemajuan rakyat dan pembangunan ekonomi.

Sektor pelancongan yang masih sinonim dengan keadaan di negeri ini mungkin sukar dikekalkan jika langkah berkesan dan drastik tidak diambil bagi memulihkan keadaan.

khosim

September 2nd, 2009, 05:49 AM

Bersihkan Pulau Pinang

Oleh ROKIAH ABDULLAH
rokiah.abdullah@utusan.com.my

bangunan usang yang mencacatkan pemandangan ini masih lagi kelihatan di sekitar Georgetown, Pulau Pinang. - UTUSAN/Zhafaran Nasib

PULAU PINANG 1 Sept. - Pulau Mutiara memang tersohor dengan feri, keindahan pantainya, bangunan-bangunan warisan, makanan yang enak serta kemudahan lain termasuk hotel dan aneka premis syurga membeli-belah.

Langkah kerajaan negeri mengindahkan lokasi tumpuan pelancong terutama di kawasan pesisir pantai dengan membangunkan hotel-hotel terkemuka, kondominium pencakar langit serta ruang gerai makanan menjadi bonus kepada Pulau Pinang.

Namun, tinjauan Utusan Malaysia di sekitar bandar baru-baru ini memperlihatkan pemandangan yang 'indah khabar dari rupa' dengan masalah sampah serta 'rumah berhantu' sesungguhnya memerlukan perhatian serius.

Pulau Pinang yang menjadi pusat tumpuan pelancong bertaraf dunia masih dibelenggu imej kotor sama ada di persekitaran bandarnya mahupun tabiat segelintir penjaja makanan yang dilihat boleh menjejaskan masa depan sektor pelancongan di negeri tersebut.

Negeri yang selama ini dikenali sebagai destinasi pelancongan popular dan dikenali sebagai Pulau Mutiara, mungkin boleh melupakan gelaran itu sekiranya aspek kebersihan masih terus menghantui pengunjungnya.

Kualiti kebersihan di negeri ini semakin merosot kerana dicemari dengan persekitaran yang kotor khususnya di kawasan sungai, belakang bangunan dan sistem perparitan.

Ia diburukkan dengan tabiat penjaja tepi jalan dan pengusaha restoran yang kurang menitik beratkan kebersihan selain bangunan usang terbiar tinggalan pra Perang Dunia Kedua.

Banyak isu alam sekitar di Pulau Pinang juga belum terjawab dan masih berlegar-legar dalam fikiran.

Sungai Pinang di Georgetown sebagai contohnya kekal sebagai sungai paling kotor di Malaysia walaupun sudah sekian banyak program pemulihan sungai itu diperkatakan ekoran sikap pihak berkuasa dan orang ramai yang tidak mempunyai kesedaran memulihara alam sekitar.

Kerja-kerja pembersihan Sungai Pinang sepanjang 3.6 kilometer sedang giat dijalankan sehingga mungkin mencecah RM500 juta kosnya dan ada pihak pernah memasang angan-angan, yakin ia bakal berubah menjadi bersih seperti Sungai Thames di London.

Namun sehingga kini, masih banyak lagi sampah sarap yang terapung di permukaan sungai, selain kualiti air yang begitu teruk tercemar.

Demikian juga longkang dan saliran di kawasan tengah bandar, kebanyakannya berbau busuk yang menyengat hidung dan paling malang di situlah terletak gerai-gerai makanan yang menjual pelbagai jenis makanan yang enak-enak.

Persoalannya apakah sikap pengotor penduduk ini ada kaitannya dengan kekurangan tong sampah awam yang tidak disediakan oleh pihak berkuasa tempatan (PBT) negeri ini?

rizalhakim

September 2nd, 2009, 05:58 AM

Perak trip an eye-opener
By ALICIA MUN

WHILE most people were still finding their way into a new weekend, bloggers from the All Malaysian Bloggers Project (AMBP) were geared up for a journey to Perak to explore the hidden treasures of Kinta Valley.

The ride to Papan was scenic with huge shady trees along the winding stream, mining ponds, a hill slope dotted with Chinese graves, a Kuan Yin temple, and, almost in the middle of nowhere, a brick and mortar streetscape of a ghost town – the remains of a nineteenth century mining town.

Today, Papan is a one-road small town with two seemingly desolate rows of shop houses, some barely standing, along the street aptly called Main Road.

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Interesting find . . . Bloggers chanced upon a Rafflesia in full bloom during a hike.

Perak Heritage Society president Law Siak Hong took the bloggers around Papan to soak up the historical memories of the quaint town. One that was particularly fascinating was the story of Sybil Karthigasu.

During World War II, the then Malaya was occupied by the Japanese and Sybil Karthigasu, a mid-wife based in Ipoh, together with her husband, Dr A.C. Karthigasu, set up a clinic in a shop house in Papan. There, Sybil risked her life by secretly helping the anti-Japanese guerillas. She gave them medical treatment and intelligence.

Despite being iterrogated and tortured by the Japanese military police, Sybil persisted in her efforts and was thrown in Batu Gajah jail. She survived the war and received the George Medal for Gallantry several months before her death in June, 1948.

Today, the shop house at 74, Main Road, Papan, serves as a memorial to Sybil and her efforts.

The bloggers were also taken to look at the house of Raja Bilah. The remarkable career of Raja Bilah as a miner-trader-adventurer gained the Sumatran nobleman respect as the leader of the Mandailings and headman of Papan.

The magnificent house on the edge of Papan is set in a mysterious environment shrouded by forested hills and has been used as a set for various films. It was used by Oscar-winning production designer Luciana Arrighi for the movie Anna and the King (1999).

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Bloggers also visited Raja Bilah's house.

Freelance photojournalist Joyce Tedoen, who blogs at http://joyce-tedoen.com and participated in the trip, said he loved snapping pictures of historical sites and sharing his memories with others. In fact, his blog posts are often accompanied by mesmerising photographs of the places that he visits.

The bloggers also went to the Gopeng Museum, which is a shop house that has been transformed into a thematic museum depicting the history of the small town. Gopeng was once home to the largest tin mining industry in the world until the collapse of the tin empire in the 1980s.

Today, the museum is home to many artefacts that have been rescued and retrieved from the people of the town. There are over 2,000 old photographs that show how Gopeng used to be a busy town during its glory days as part of the tin mining industry in Perak. Machines used to process rubber are also displayed at the museum together with tin mining materials.

“The purpose of this museum is to revive the heritage value of Gopeng,” Gopeng Museum Management Society ad hoc committee secretary Phang See Kong said.

“The artefacts of the museum serve their purpose of telling the visitors the history of Gopeng.”

The shop house itself has its own interesting story. It once belonged to Eu Kong, the founder of Eu Yan Sang, a renowned chain of herbal stores. In fact, the shop house was the very first Eu Yan Sang store.

Music student Joanna Marie Gough, who was on the trip, said it was her first time in Papan and Gopeng despite the fact that she was from Ipoh. An avid blogger at http://thegentle-snail.blogspot.com, Gough is also a big fan of history as she believes that different people have different perceptions of what they see and feel.

Fellow blogger Nigel Tee added that the experience in Perak had been educational as he had learnt a lot. Being a photography enthu-siast, he documents all his adventures at http://blog.flymenigel.com.

“This journey has actually shown me that there are still many places with rich historical memories in Malaysia just waiting to be discovered,” he said.

The project was organised by Travel Tales (http://www.traveltales.biz/), a local travel agency for travellers seeking meaningful experiences in Asia, in collaboration with AMBP by The Star Online and AllMalaysia.info, a program-me that aims to bring the blogging community together by organising various projects both online and in the real world.

rizalhakim

September 2nd, 2009, 07:04 AM

Pelancong Jepun makin ramai ke Pahang

RAUB 1 Sept. - Rakyat Jepun kini semakin berminat untuk berkunjung ke Malaysia terutama Pahang berikutan peningkatan jumlah kedatangan mereka ke negeri ini setiap tahun, kata Presiden Persatuan Inap Desa Malaysia, Sahariman Hamdan.

Menurutnya, statistik mencatatkan jumlah pelancong dari 'negara matahari terbit' itu dari Januari hingga Julai tahun ini ialah seramai 216,680 orang.

Kata beliau, rakyat Jepun lebih gemar melancong mengikuti pakej pelancongan inap desa kerana mereka dapat menyelami keadaan hidup masyarakat tempatan dengan lebih dekat.

''Kami sangat menghargai sokongan kerajaan yang komited mempromosi industri inap desa negara ini untuk menarik pelancong luar,'' katanya kepada Utusan Malaysia selepas majlis perjanjian persefahaman (MoU) Persatuan Pengusaha Inap Desa Malaysia dengan Persatuan Pengusaha Pelancongan Jepun di Sungai Pasu dekat sini, baru-baru ini.

Shariman berkata, berikutan peningkatan bilangan pelancong itu, pengusaha inap desa perlu meningkatkan lagi kemudahan prasarana, kebersihan dan memastikan pakej yang ditawarkan dipatuhi.

Tegasnya, peserta inap desa itu merupakan 'duta kecil' yang boleh mempromosikan kebaikan atau keburukan negara apabila pulang ke tanah air mereka.

Sementara itu, Setiausaha Agung Persatuan Jepun Malaysia, Arai Takuji mengakui Pahang menjadi destinasi pilihan utama pelancong Jepun termasuk pelajar sekolah dan mahasiswa.

Katanya, kebanyakan sekolah menengah di Jepun dan mahasiswa memilih Malaysia sebagai destinasi utama pelancongan mereka berikutan keunikan negara ini.

Tambah beliau, peluang pelancong Jepun bermalam bersama keluarga tempatan mendedahkan mereka dengan pelbagai pengalaman baru.

Takuji yang fasih berbahasa Melayu itu mengakui program inap desa merupakan pemangkin untuk mengeratkan lagi persahabatan antara rakyat Jepun dan Malaysia yang boleh dikembangkan dalam bidang ekonomi.

''Pengalaman baru yang diperoleh peserta inap desa di Sungai Pasu mendorong mereka menanam azam untuk kembali lagi melancong ke Malaysia dan tinggal di sini,'' katanya.

Pengetua Sekolah Tinggi Hojo Prefectural, Shinjiro Tsunemi pula berkata, rakyat Jepun 'jatuh cinta' dengan keindahan alam semulajadi di negara ini.

Kepelbagaian etnik di Malaysia seperti Melayu, Cina, India dan Orang Asli yang mempunyai keunikan bahasa dan budaya yang tidak terdapat di negara lain, ujarnya.

''Ia berbeza dengan Jepun yang hanya mempunyai satu bangsa dan budaya berbanding Malaysia yang memiliki kepelbagaian yang semakin dikenali di peringkat antarabangsa,'' katanya yang fasih berbahasa Melayu.

Katanya, kedatangan pertamanya ke negara ini adalah pada 1972 sebagai tenaga pengajar seni mempertahankan diri Judo kepada anggota Polis Diraja Malaysia (PDRM).

Seorang lagi pelancong Jepun, Chikako Tamura, 26, berasa bertuah dapat melancong dan tinggal bersama keluarga Melayu di Malaysia kerana dapat menimba banyak pengalaman baru.

Katanya, orang Melayu sangat menghormati tetamu dan lemah lembut yang selari dengan jiwa orang Jepun.

''Saya berhasrat untuk datang lagi ke Malaysia dengan membawa lebih ramai pelancong Jepun supaya mereka dapat menikmati pelbagai pengalaman baru dan keunikan di negara ini,'' katanya.

Chikako mengakui sangat menggemari sate dan ikan bakar kerana cita rasa makanan itu hampir sama dengan makanan Jepun yang mengutamakan makanan segera dan berkhasiat.

Rakannya Naho Yamamoto, 27, mengakui Malaysia sebuah negara yang istimewa yang patut dikunjungi rakyat Jepun kerana aman dan maju tetapi mengekalkan amalan tradisi yang unik.

''Saya sangat menggemari tarian dan kebudayaan Melayu yang lemah lembut tetapi tangkas yang melambangkan ciri-ciri budaya bangsa itu dalam menjalani kehidupan," jelasnya.

Tambah beliau, keistimewaan yang terdapat di negara ini perlu dipromosikan di Jepun supaya lebih ramai golongan usahawan dan pelajar di negara itu melancong ke Malaysia pada masa hadapan.

''Program dan pakej yang ditawarkan oleh pengusaha inap desa di Malaysia sangat menarik dan berbaloi kerana kemampuan mereka mempamerkan kepelbagaian budaya seperti tarian dan makanan rakyat tempatan,'' katanya.

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 2nd, 2009, 06:03 PM

sure! love to see all Kraton raja-raja jawa...

but not now lah. kalau saya pergi sekarang, pasti akan diganyang oleh orang2 jogja...

atau nanti akan dituduh 'agen pemerintah malaysia untuk mencuri budaya indonesia' :lol:

Hahahaha...don't be scared lah.....if you don't make mistake why you should scared...right??

khosim

September 2nd, 2009, 06:24 PM

Hahahaha...don't be scared lah.....if you don't make mistake why you should scared...right??

Published: Wednesday September 2, 2009 MYT 3:13:00 PM

Indonesian students pelt M’sian embassy with rotten eggs
By ZALINAH NOORDIN

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PETALING JAYA: About 30 Indonesian students pelted the Malaysian Embassy in Jakarta with rotten eggs and attempted to raise an Indonesian flag at the gate on Tuesday.

The attack, believed spurred by allegations that the Malaysian national anthem Negara Ku had been copied from the Indonesian song Terang Bulan, came a day after Malaysia celebrated its 52nd National Day.

The Indonesian flag was raised from the embassy gate after a tug-of-war between police and students.

The attack was also reportedly triggered by allegations that a Balinese dance had been used to promote a television show about Malaysia, although it was revealed that no Malaysian government agency had a role in the advertisement.

An embassy official in Jakarta told The Star that nobody was hurt in the incident but added that there have been regular demonstrations at the Embassy over the last few months, especially during the Ambalat issue.

That issue came up after Indonesia claimed that Malaysian warships had entered the Ambalat area in the Sulawesi sea in early June.

“The still ongoing demonstration here is being heavily monitored by the police, but no demonstrators have been stopped or arrested,” said the embassy official.

He said that everything was under control at the embassy, adding that the demonstration would not affect ties between the two countries.

Local media quoted a demonstrator as saying that the protest was a symbolic act to demand that the Indonesian government break off diplomatic ties with Malaysia and evict the Malaysian ambassador.

^^^^^^^^^^

we should be afraid if this is what happening..judging from this report, the situation will be worsen if there's no appropriate action taken from both governments...the hatred will be continue to blow :ohno:

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 2nd, 2009, 06:35 PM

Published: Wednesday September 2, 2009 MYT 3:13:00 PM

we should be afraid if this is what happening..judging from this report, the situation will be worsen if there's no appropriate action taken from both governments...the hatred will be continue to blow :ohno:

Our govt should open dialog urgently...and published the meeting result.....
I would to know about Malaysia govt action about this issue...

Thanks&Regards

arepull87

September 2nd, 2009, 07:15 PM

World 2 World

September 2nd, 2009, 08:26 PM

Pendet dance to be performed at Malaysia's tourism event:)

www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/09/02/pendet-dance-be-performed-malaysia039s-tourism-event.html

Indonesian dancers will perform the controversial Balinese Pendet dance at one of the biggest tourism events in Malaysia later this week, an official said Wednesday.

"We will present an Indonesian cultural performance, that is, the Pendet dance at the Matta Fair 2009," Chrismiastutie, an official at the Indonesian Cultural and Tourism Ministry, told Antara news agency.

Malaysian Association of Tour and Travel Agents (Matta) Fair 2009 will run from Sept. 4 to Sept. 6.

The Pendet dance has drawn controversy following Malaysia's use of the dance in its tourism promotion ads. Indonesia has protested this use of the Pendet dance by Malaysia.

"We can use this forum [Matta Fair] to clarify [the ownership of] our Pendet dance," Chrismiastutie added.

In addition to Pendet, Indonesia will present other traditional dances, including Legong (also from Bali) and a Betawi dance.

Through tourism promotion in Malaysia, Chrismiastutie said that Indonesia should attract more tourists from Malaysia.

Last year, a total of 818,000 Malaysians visited Indonesia. As of July this year, 450,134 Malaysian tourists had visited Indonesia. This year, the number of Malaysian tourists visiting Indonesia is expected to reach 930,000.

KelvinKoh

September 3rd, 2009, 02:40 AM

"We can use this forum [Matta Fair] to clarify [the ownership of] our Pendet dance," Chrismiastutie added.

Through tourism promotion in Malaysia, Chrismiastutie said that Indonesia should attract more tourists from Malaysia.

no one here says Pendet is from Malaysia lah u stupid farking arse hole!! GAWD....!!

damn, this stupid peoples keep coming and coming...

u want us to come yet u back stabbing our country? shit hole!

ni aku betul betul marah ni....!!

KelvinKoh

September 3rd, 2009, 03:04 AM

who has facebook do u notice that there a group called indonesia malaysia damai created by some indonesian and malaysian users who love peace between two great nation in nusantara....

join this group....

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=109824115623

interesting fact on Facebook:

MALAYSIA-INDONESIA DAMAI - 2,541 members

ANTI MALAYSIA (MALINGSIA) - 247,466 members :lol:

khosim

September 3rd, 2009, 07:04 AM

no one here says Pendet is from Malaysia lah u stupid farking arse hole!! GAWD....!!

damn, this stupid peoples keep coming and coming...

u want us to come yet u back stabbing our country? shit hole!

ni aku betul betul marah ni....!!

sabar kelvin..bulan puasa ni kena byk2 sabar..biarkan mereka..sampai bila2 pon they won't understand:cheer::cheer:

Mospeada

September 3rd, 2009, 07:39 AM

interesting fact on Facebook:

MALAYSIA-INDONESIA DAMAI - 2,541 members

ANTI MALAYSIA (MALINGSIA) - 247,466 members :lol:

let me guess...

MALAYSIA-INDONESIA DAMAI - 2,541 members , 90% is malaysian

ANTI MALAYSIA (MALINGSIA) - 247,466 members , 100% is indonesian

:lol:

kidding.

nazrey

September 3rd, 2009, 08:10 AM

Thursday September 3, 2009
Indonesian govt not involved in protests, says Najib :)
By MAZWIN NIK ANIS
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/9/3/nation/20090903071128&sec=nation

nazrey

September 3rd, 2009, 08:11 AM

Globalisation brings more Africans to Malaysia
Published: Thursday September 3, 2009 MYT 12:38:00 PM

KUALA LUMPUR: If you had walked down the streets of Kuala Lumpur some 10 years ago, the chances of bumping into an African were quite slim.

But now with the advent of globalisation, Africans are making their way to Malaysia as businessmen, tourists and students, as they become more familiar with the country’s potential.

According to Senegal’s Ambassador to Malaysia Abdel Kader Pierre Fall, with globalisation, Africans are now more knowledgeable of the new potentials in Asia and as such more and more are making their way to Asia including Malaysia.

Africans have been coming to Malaysia also for “medical tourism” because it is cheaper to seek treatment in this country rather than Europe where they used to go previously.

Malaysia, he said had the medical tourism advantage “where one could get more mileage out of one’s money,” said the ambassador, who is also the vice-dean of the African Diplomatic Group here. Abdel Kader also expects more and more Africans to visit Malaysia’s tourism spots as they are now more familiar with Malaysia as a tourist destination, apart from an educational hub.

The ambassador said that besides tourism, Africa has been looking forward to diversifying partnerships with Malaysia be it in trade, technical cooperation or even politics.

Describing the ties between Africa and Malaysia as very “promising”, he pointed out that at the recent Malaysia International Halal Showcase (MIHAs) organised by Malaysia External Trade Development Corporation (MATRADE) here, almost 30% of Senegal’s delegation bought “some containers to send back home.”

“Trade with Malaysia is definitely going forward and we see more Africans coming to Malaysia to buy products and more Malaysians going to Senegal and other African countries as well for partnerships in trade,” the ambassador said.

And when Africa celebrated the 46th anniversary of Africa Day here in May, he said it was not only a joyous occasion for the continent but also a celebration of the friendship between Africa and Malaysia.

Besides, most of the African countries are members of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and even at this level there is a “perfect relationship” with Malaysia.

Senegal President Abdulaye Wade is the current chairman of the 57-member OIC after taking over from Malaysia’s former prime minister Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi last year.

Abdel Kader said Africans celebrate the anniversary of Africa Day on May 25 in order to reinforce their commitment to achieving African unity and to ensure no African is deprived of liberty.

The day is also a commitment of Africa in striving for economic development and achieving better quality of life for all its citizens, the ambassador said.

He said that in Malaysia, Africa Day has been celebrated since the last four or fives years so as to make Malaysians more aware of Africa in general, its economy as well as its political and social situation.

Abdel Kader noted that events like Africa Day and cultural activities would allow for more interaction between Malaysians and Africans.

The ambassador is also very keen in having some kind of “cultural tourism.”

“Given the fact that there are a lot of Muslims in Africa and Malaysia is predominantly made up of Muslims, you would see more exchange (of tourists) at that level too, so I foresee in the near future of a exponential grown in the tourism sector between Malaysia and African countries,” he said.

Indeed, “mysterious Africa” also has huge potential in attracting tourists from Malaysia with its “energetic” culture, exotic tourism spots and the renowned safaris. For Senegal the ambassador said its beautiful beaches are some of the country’s attractions.

Located in the western most part of the African continent, Senegal is home to some of the most beautiful beaches in the world while Dakar, its capital is one of the busiest cruise ship ports in Africa.

On trade opportunities in Africa, Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin has acknowledged that African nations provide a range of investment opportunities, which Malaysian businessmen should look into and explore.

He made this remark at the three-day Global Smart Partnership Dialogue from July 26 to July 28 in Kampala, Uganda.

Indeed with a population that is reportedly reaching almost one billion, Africa is a land of opportunities for investors and tourists alike. -- BERNAMA

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 3rd, 2009, 08:14 AM

interesting fact on Facebook:

MALAYSIA-INDONESIA DAMAI - 2,541 members

ANTI MALAYSIA (MALINGSIA) - 247,466 members :lol:

Now or never....sedikit lebih baik daripada tidak sama sekali

Dr Jake

September 3rd, 2009, 09:13 AM

nazrey

September 3rd, 2009, 10:00 AM

He's totally right that really no one says Pendet is from Malaysia!! :)
speak frequency to point the right is maybe good at sometime...
Ingat! jangan lepas k'orang main isu2 yang tak betul!

KelvinKoh

September 3rd, 2009, 10:43 AM

Thursday September 3, 2009
Indonesian govt not involved in protests, says Najib :)
By MAZWIN NIK ANIS
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/9/3/nation/20090903071128&sec=nation

don't be too soft, Najib:sleepy:.....burning flag must be condemned!

KelvinKoh

September 3rd, 2009, 10:50 AM

nazrey

September 3rd, 2009, 10:50 AM

pelik gilerr jugak..banyak kan orang membakar bendera yahudi!
tapi negara yang sama beragama islam terus membakar2...mereka itu memang penyakit Jiwa!

rizalhakim

September 3rd, 2009, 11:02 AM

from jakarta post

Riyadi Suparno , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 08/27/2009 12:52 PM | Headlines

We Indonesians are simply overreacting in our response to Malaysia's use of the Balinese Pendet dance in promotional TV spots. We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother. And such responses will not help us become a better nation.

First, it was a small protest from a group of Balinese people, the rightful owner of the dance, then unfortunately it grew into a nationwide condemnation of Malaysia.

Just read the comments posted at www.thejakartapost.com or many other Internet forums discussing the issue, and you will easily find many condemnations from Indonesians against Malaysia, some even urging the government to ganyang (invade) Malaysia, invoking memories of the time Indonesia was in confrontation with Malaysia.

Unwisely, the government responded in the same way, with the tourism minister summoning the Malaysian embassy's top official and sending a letter of protest to his counterpart in Kuala Lumpur.

But it did not stop there. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono joined the fray, calling on the Malaysian government to deal more carefully with "sensitive" cultural issues between the two countries.

Our responses have really gone too far. Just read this news from Antara: Diponegoro University (Undip), one of Indonesia's leading institutes of higher learning, has stopped admitting Malaysian students for the 2009-2010 academic year in an expression of "nationalism".

"We have done it as a concrete expression of our sense of nationalism," Undip rector Susilo Wibowo said Tuesday as quoted by Antara, after attending a ceremony to mark the induction of new students.

But we don't know the real reasons behind it. It could be because there were no Malaysian students applying to study at the university this academic year, which begins in July.

The point here is that we just overreacted to this issue, or worse, we tried to bully one of our closest neighbors.

Malaysia uses various Asian cultural expressions, especially Chinese and Indian, in its tourism campaign "Malaysia Truly Asia". China and India have never protested Malaysia's use of their cultural heritage in its tourism campaigns.

Why then are we so angry whenever Malaysia uses our cultural heritage, including the Pendet, batik and wayang in their tourism campaigns? In reality, though, Malaysia has never claimed the Pendet as their dance, batik as their craft or wayang as their performance.

These are Indonesian cultural expressions brought to Malaysia by the millions of Indonesians who moved there, mostly as migrant workers.

If it's an issue of rights, we don't have copyrights for most of our cultural products. Much, if not the majority of our cultural heritage, was created by our ancestors for the good of society and mankind.

For instance, many of our best classical Javanese gamelan compositions were written by anonymous composers. They were composed for the kings and the people, and the composers deliberately did not put their names there, much less copyrighted them.

Before Indonesia existed, anyone could play these compositions, even people from outside the Javanese kingdom. Now that Indonesia exists, does it mean nobody outside Indonesia can play and use them in their tourism campaigns, even if they have gamelan groups in their own countries?

Currently, hundreds of gamelan groups exist outside Indonesia. If they wish to promote their groups or if their country wishes to use these gamelan groups to promote tourism, they have every right to use gamelan images in their campaign.

Thus instead of getting angry or sending letter of protests or stopping admitting Malaysian students, we should be more positive and collaborate with the Malaysian government to promote our culture in that country.

When there are more Malaysians dancing the Pendet and playing the gamelan and to Indonesian pop songs, it will only mean more benefits, and not losses, to Indonesia. It will mean more commerce and tourism between the two countries.

Not only that, it would also strengthen cultural ties between the two nations.

Similarly, if Malaysia advertises more Indonesian cultural heritage, it would bring more benefits than losses to us.

Let says, Malaysia advertises the Pendet, and tourists go there because of the advertisement. There is a great chance these tourists will continue on to Bali to see the Pendet at its source. So it not only saves us precious advertising dollars - which we rarely ever spend anyway - but also brings in dollar from more tourist visits.

So let Malaysians dance our Pendet and play our wayang and advertise them. It will only do good things for us in Indonesia.

khosim

September 3rd, 2009, 11:13 AM

arepull87

September 3rd, 2009, 01:50 PM

don't be too soft, Najib:sleepy:.....burning flag must be condemned!

believe it or not...most of malaysian never know there are so much hatred....in their 'big brother' neighbor....

nazrey

September 3rd, 2009, 01:59 PM

Believe there's NO DOUBT!

silverian86

September 3rd, 2009, 04:07 PM

pelik gilerr jugak..banyak kan orang membakar bendera yahudi!
tapi negara yang sama beragama islam terus membakar2...mereka itu memang penyakit Jiwa!

itu namanya manusia2 penganut fahaman nasionalisme:lol:

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 3rd, 2009, 04:48 PM

believe it or not...most of malaysian never know there are so much hatred....in their 'big brother' neighbor....

Hei we never hate malaysian...its just angry...like brother..sometimes we angry each other......right?

My girl friends is fans of mike miller...
And most of girl in indonesia love ashraf sinclair...
And myself...is big fan of siti nurhaliza....

KelvinKoh

September 3rd, 2009, 05:42 PM

^^ what's the relation between Mike Miller and Malaysia?

KelvinKoh

September 3rd, 2009, 05:50 PM

itu namanya manusia2 penganut fahaman nasionalisme:lol:

fahaman nationalisme jugalah yang memecah belahkan dunia ni...fahaman melampau. yang dianuti oleh orang2 arab, afrika dan di indonesia sana...

yang menariknya, eropah yang berperang dan berpecah belah berabad-abad lamanya, boleh bersatu dalam persatuan yang kukuh. EUROPEAN UNION (EU). wujud matawang sama, standard sama, undang-undang sama...

tapi ASEAN....satu persatuan 'useless'. kerjasama ekonomi? i don't think so. masing2 mahu MENDAHULUI yang lain. bukannya MELENGKAPI yang lain.

.....bubarkan saja ASEAN ni....i hate malaysia being part of it (except for visa-free entrance)

XNeo

September 3rd, 2009, 06:15 PM

indonesian wants malaysia stop claiming their 'cultures', 'plants',etc.

and malaysian on the other side want and will promote their very own culture
that belong and practiced by its citizen.do they need to mentioned it from Indonesia?.no need.

look like this issue has no ending :ohno:.. no doubt.

why not each country just promote their culture.

indonesia promote its own indonesian batik, wayang...etc...
and malaysia promote malaysian batik,wayang ,etc...
which is different in term of performance,drawing/motif...etc.

batik malaysia dan batik indonesia boleh dibezakan...begitu juga wayang kulit.

is there any problem??.

its look like u have an apple tree..and i have one too.u can sale the apples ..but i can't.

...who shud Indonesian blame for their 'leak' of culture and accused malaysia stole it.

arepull87

September 3rd, 2009, 06:41 PM

Hei we never hate malaysian...its just angry...like brother..sometimes we angry each other......right?

My girl friends is fans of mike miller...
And most of girl in indonesia love ashraf sinclair...
And myself...is big fan of siti nurhaliza....

i know...but sometimes too much anger can break a long relationship ,special and full with nostalgic between two relative country....:ohno:

malaysia always look indonesia as their big brother...indonesia relatively much bigger than malaysia..no one can denied indonesia big potential will become one of the superpower in asia in the next 50 years...indonesia is one of the country in asia that does not badly affected during this economy crisis...

the tension ties between malaysia and indonesia will not benefit any party both malaysia and indonesia...indonesia will look malaysia as an arrogant country...kacang lupakan kulit, that never appreciate the brother's help....and malaysia will look indonesia as a brother with full of jealous feeling toward his more successful little brother...

and as long as this perception continuously as long as the interrelationship between both countries will become worse day by day...indonesia will lost it's big potential because too much efforts is done to improve the relationship that already badly damaged because of excess feeling and emotion...and malaysia will be lost the big opportunity..Indonesian emerging market...too much hatred will not help malaysia company to extend their bussiness there...currently there are some of indonesian start to campaign to boycott any company there that are related with malaysia such as XL ( indonesia 3rd biggest mobile operator) majority own by AXIATA ( malaysia company formerly known as TM international), air asia, Bii and so on....

nazrey

September 3rd, 2009, 07:48 PM

Hei we never hate malaysian...its just angry...like brother..sometimes we angry each other......right?

My girl friends is fans of mike miller...
And most of girl in indonesia love ashraf sinclair...
And myself...is big fan of siti nurhaliza....

I know not all of you hate Malaysia...but barisan yang BERJUMLAH protest itu bukan sedikit2...mereka itu beragama apa? dan mereka itu adakah MENGUNA otak belum protest..atau pengarut like gangster saja...

Tunjuk kan keadaan yang betul...
"kami (mereka itu) benci malaysia karena lo mencuri budaya kami" macam tu...
kalau fikiran macam ni memang makin teruk...Ingat! SAMPAI BILA pun iratan di antaranya TAK BOLEH PUTUS pada sesuatu! Itu adalah kenyataan yang malaysia pun tak boleh hindari juga! ya..we're brother!

ethan

September 4th, 2009, 03:55 AM

^^ what's the relation between Mike Miller and Malaysia?

Mike Miller is actually a Malaysian...Although I think his name is Sam Miller

XNeo

September 4th, 2009, 03:58 AM

......and malaysia will be lost the big opportunity..Indonesian emerging market...too much hatred will not help malaysia company to extend their bussiness there...currently there are some of indonesian start to campaign to boycott any company there that are related with malaysia such as XL ( indonesia 3rd biggest mobile operator) majority own by AXIATA ( malaysia company formerly known as TM international), air asia, Bii and so on....

and Indonesian ppl will lost their job too..if they banned malaysian company.
pekerja2 di perusahaan malaysia di indonesia sana tuh kan orang Indonesia juga...laginya mereka butuh pekerjaan.meningkatkan ekonomi.kerajaan Indonesia juga dapat hasil dalam bentuk cukai..etc.

My experience travel to Indonesia naik Air Asia...pilotnya Indonesion, begitu juga cabin crew.

Malaysia tidak sekejam Israel-membunuh orang sampe mereka mau banned kita.
capek deh aku dengan orang sebegini.

ethan

September 4th, 2009, 04:00 AM

Hei we never hate malaysian...its just angry...like brother..sometimes we angry each other......right?

My girl friends is fans of mike miller...
And most of girl in indonesia love ashraf sinclair...
And myself...is big fan of siti nurhaliza....

Maybe you do not hate us. But in the Indonesian Forum and even the Asian Forum, many of indonesians cursing us with Maling, Malon etc.

Even, in the news today, Indonesians threw rotten eggs to our embassy in Indonesia.

P/S: ...most of girl in indonesia love ashraf sinclair...are you sure??? He is not that famous in Malaysia

rizalhakim

September 4th, 2009, 04:02 AM

hmm siapa itu Mike Miller??? doktor??? aktor?? tuan presiden?? :nuts:

rizalhakim

September 4th, 2009, 04:31 AM

Blame Discovery Channel, Indonesians told
By DHARMENDER SINGH

PUTRAJAYA: Stop blaming Malaysia. It was Discovery Channel which wrongly included a Balinese dance in a clip to promote a documentary series on the country.

Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin said the channel had clarified that it was the maker of the clip and apologised for wrongly showing the dance.

He added that the Tourism Ministry and Tourism Malaysia were in no way involved in the production of the promotional video that was aired by the Discovery Channel and they were unaware that the traditional dance from Indonesia had been used.

“The explanation by the Discovery Channel should be accepted and I hope the matter (protests against Malaysia for the use of the dance in the video) will not drag on,” he told a press conference after chairing the Cabinet committee meeting on tourism here yesterday.

http://thestar.com.my/archives/2009/9/4/nation/n_14muhyiddin.jpg
Stressing a point: Muhyiddin responding to questions from the media at the press conference in Putrajaya yesterday. With him is Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen.

Protests in Indonesia had reportedly been triggered by allegations that a Balinese dance had been used to promote a television show about Malaysia.

The protests included an incident on Tuesday where some 30 students pelted the Malaysian Embassy in Indonesia with rotten eggs and attempted to raise an Indonesian flag at the gate.

Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen, who was also at the press conference, said her ministry had contacted the Discovery Channel on the same day the video was aired requesting it set the record straight and the channel had acted promptly.

“Discovery sent a letter explaining the whole matter and apologising for the mistake to both the Malaysia and Indonesia’s tourism ministries,” she said.

On the outcome of the Cabinet committee meeting, Muhyiddin said among the decisions made was to create better coordination between the various tourism-related ministries and agencies to ensure promotions highlighted correct information while programmes reached the intended audience.

A committee comprising representatives from ministries, agencies and the private sector would be set up for this purpose.

rizalhakim

September 4th, 2009, 05:32 AM

'End the Pendet controversy'
2009/09/04

PUTRAJAYA: Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin wants an end to the Pendet Balinese dance issue as Discovery Channel has explained and apologised over the matter.

The dance was included in a video put up by Discovery Channel as a form of promotion for Malaysia.

"There is nothing in our records to show that the Tourism Ministry or Tourism Malaysia was involved at any stage of the production of the video. We did not do it.

"Discovery Channel had done it as a promotion of Malaysia," Muhyiddin said after chairing a cabinet committee meeting on tourism here yesterday.

Muhyiddin said he was informed that Discovery Channel had apologised and explained the actual situation.

"They have explained the matter (to Indonesia) and I hope the whole episode will stop here. We should not be at fault. The explanation should be accepted and we hope this will put an end to this uproar."

Muhyiddin added that Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen had received the letter sent by her Indonesian tourism counterpart.

The latest controversy is not the first time Indonesians have been up in arms over perceived theft of their cultural icons.

A similar spat erupted a few years ago over the use of the folk song, Rasa Sayang, claimed by Indonesians as their own, in another Malaysian tourism advertisement.

Last Thursday, Bernama reported that the Malaysian Embassy in Jakarta had expressed regret over misunderstandings and accusations levelled by the Indonesian media.

The next day, it received a bomb threat from an unidentified caller, who claimed that a bomb had been planted in the building and was set to explode at 11am.

However, the deadline passed without incident.

Protesters also threw rotten eggs and burned a Malaysian flag to express their anger.

On yesterday's tourism meeting, Muhyiddin said various issues were discussed, ranging from cooperation between ministries and agencies to ensure effective promotions, new tourism targets and niche markets, and appointment of tourism ambassadors.

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 4th, 2009, 05:34 AM

Maybe you do not hate us. But in the Indonesian Forum and even the Asian Forum, many of indonesians cursing us with Maling, Malon etc.

Even, in the news today, Indonesians threw rotten eggs to our embassy in Indonesia.

P/S: ...most of girl in indonesia love ashraf sinclair...are you sure??? He is not that famous in Malaysia

Yeah...you should come here to see it....

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 4th, 2009, 05:39 AM

hmm siapa itu Mike Miller??? doktor??? aktor?? tuan presiden?? :nuts:

he is actor for indonesian movie or tv series in indonesia.....and stay in indonesia...until know...no one people in indonesia hate him...

The point is......indonesian people not hate malaysia..

Could 250,000 people in facebook compare with 200 million people population of indonesia? i think not...

Lastresorter

September 4th, 2009, 05:41 AM

Let's all just move on :)

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 4th, 2009, 05:42 AM

fahaman nationalisme jugalah yang memecah belahkan dunia ni...fahaman melampau. yang dianuti oleh orang2 arab, afrika dan di indonesia sana...

yang menariknya, eropah yang berperang dan berpecah belah berabad-abad lamanya, boleh bersatu dalam persatuan yang kukuh. EUROPEAN UNION (EU). wujud matawang sama, standard sama, undang-undang sama...

tapi ASEAN....satu persatuan 'useless'. kerjasama ekonomi? i don't think so. masing2 mahu MENDAHULUI yang lain. bukannya MELENGKAPI yang lain.

.....bubarkan saja ASEAN ni....i hate malaysia being part of it (except for visa-free entrance)

I agree with you.....but i think Bubarkan ASEAN is not the solution bro...

Thanks

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 4th, 2009, 05:44 AM

indonesian wants malaysia stop claiming their 'cultures', 'plants',etc.

and malaysian on the other side want and will promote their very own culture
that belong and practiced by its citizen.do they need to mentioned it from Indonesia?.no need.

.

I think we still need to mentioned where a culture is belong....for ethic and for respect....this is my opinion

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 4th, 2009, 05:46 AM

why not each country just promote their culture.

indonesia promote its own indonesian batik, wayang...etc...
and malaysia promote malaysian batik,wayang ,etc...
which is different in term of performance,drawing/motif...etc.

batik malaysia dan batik indonesia boleh dibezakan...begitu juga wayang kulit.

is there any problem??.

.

Good idea....lets do it....

XNeo

September 4th, 2009, 06:11 AM

I think we still need to mentioned where a culture is belong....for ethic and for respect....this is my opinion

i respect your opinion and perhaps it is also the most indonesian opini.
but my opinion is otherwise :) heh.

because ...long2 time ago there are no such 'agreement' to say malaysian must mentioned the culture where they originated.
everyone freely migrate to others country (not only from indonesia)...and bring along their culture and later adapt , mix here and there...and now u can see a quite different culture but still look like the same.
we SHARED the culture...not only indonesia, juga china..india..portugese..etc.

so my opini..both of us just promote our best culture... dari berantem aje.

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 4th, 2009, 10:30 AM

yes there no such agreement....but like a said before..this is for ethic and respect...
Respect the culture come from...and respect who create it....respect my ancestor...

nazrey

September 4th, 2009, 12:17 PM

khosim

September 4th, 2009, 08:21 PM

Tourist Arrivals Increasing Despite H1N1 Pandemic
September 04, 2009 17:40 PM

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 4 (Bernama) -- Tourist arrivals in the country increased by 3.6 per cent in the first seven months of this year from 12.89 million arrivals registered in the same period last year, despite the global Influenza A(H1N1) pandemic and economic downturn.

Tourism Minister Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen said there were 13.35 million tourist arrivals from January to July this year.

"The arrival figures are a testament that despite the global H1N1 pandemic, people still can enjoy a holiday and at the same time take precautions to avoid being infected," she said in her speech at the launching of the Malaysian Association of Tour and Travel Agents (Matta) Fair, here, Friday.

Her speech was read out by Tourism Malaysia director-general Datuk Mirza Mohammad Taiyab.

Dr Ng said: "Even though the current situation discourages people from being in any crowded area, there are still places we can go to release stress from our hectic daily life.

"The influenza pandemic should not be the reason to halt all travelling, especially for those who are healthy and not among the high-risk groups," she said.

Dr Ng hoped the Matta Fair would continue to play an important role in stimulating more domestic travel and promoting the Cuti-Cuti Malaysia travel packages.

"This is very important as it is in line with the goverment's objective of promoting more domestic travel. From past experience, we have found that it is the domestic travellers who have really helped to sustain our tourism industry, especially in times of crises," she said.

Dr Ng also urged travel operators to look at the possibility of promoting the homestay programme in every state, and the government had been very committed in this area, with a special fund having been allocated for the upgrading of facilities at these homes.

The five-day Matta Fair which kicked off today, showcases 830 booths of 170 exhibitors comprising airlines, hotels, resorts, tour operators, travel agencies and other tourism-related companies at the Putra World Trade Centre here.

-- BERNAMA

Kedatangan pelancong ke Malaysia terus meningkat

KUALA LUMPUR: Walaupun dalam keadaan ekonomi dunia yang lembab dan pandemik Influenza A (H1N1), jumlah kedatangan pelancong ke negara ini meningkat sebanyak 3.6 peratus dalam tempoh Januari hingga Julai tahun ini.

Jumlah kedatangan pelancong yang dicatat dalam tempoh yang sama tahun lalu ialah 12.89 juta orang.

Menteri Pelancongan, Datuk Seri Dr Ng Yen Yen dalam ucapan pada perasmian pameran Persatuan Ejen-Ejen Pelancongan dan Pengembaraan Malaysia (Matta) di sini hari ini, berkata daripada Januari hingga Julai tahun ini, ketibaan pelancong yang dicatat ialah 13.35 juta orang.

"Jumlah ketibaan itu adalah bukti bahawa walaupun dunia menghadapi pandemik H1N1, orang ramai masih boleh menikmati percutian dan pada masa yang sama mengambil langkah berjaga-jaga untuk mengelak daripada dijangkiti," katanya dalam teks ucapannya yang dibacakan Ketua Pengarah Tourism Malaysia, Datuk Mirza Mohammad Taiyab.

Ng berkata walaupun situasi semasa tidak menggalakkan orang ramai berada di kawasan sesak, masih ada tempat yang mereka boleh pergi untuk berehat dan menghilangkan tekanan daripada kesibukan harian.

"Influenza tidak sepatutnya menjadi sebab untuk menghalang mereka yang ingin melancong terutama mereka yang sihat dan tidak termasuk dalam kalangan kumpulan berisiko tinggi," katanya.

Sementara itu, Ng berharap pameran Matta akan terus memainkan peranan penting dalam merangsang pelancongan tempatan dan mempromosikan pakej pelancongan Cuti-Cuti Malaysia.

"Ini sangat penting kerana ia selaras dengan objektif kerajaan untuk mempromosi pelancongan dalam negeri.

"Daripada pengalaman lepas, kita dapati pelancong dalam negeri yang membantu mengekalkan idustri pelancongan kita terutama pada masa krisis," katanya.

Beliau turut menggesa pengusaha pelancongan untuk melihat kemungkinan mempromosi program inapan desa di semua negeri, dan kerajaan sangat komited dalam membangunkan inapan desa dengan tabung khas telah diperuntukan untuk menaiktaraf kemudahan rumah-rumah terlibat.

Sebanyak 170 peserta pameran terdiri daripada syarikat penerbangan, hotel, resort, pengusaha pelancongan, agensi pelancongan dan syarikat berkaitan pelancongan mengambil bahagian pada pameran Matta yang berlangsung selama lima hari mulai hari ini.

Sebanyak 830 gerai pameran disediakan pada pameran yang diadakan di Pusat Dagangan Dunia Putra (PWTC), di sini. - Bernama

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 5th, 2009, 07:08 AM

the wonder of indonesia...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=803042

KelvinKoh

September 5th, 2009, 07:42 AM

the wonder of indonesia...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=803042

:lol: i wanna laugh. bcoz i found some funny thing...

some cultures are belong to malay culture and even originated from the peninsular (songket) but then 'claimed' by indonesian just becoz small part of their citizen has that....

not that the photos there are 'Keris Pekaka' and 'Keris Semenanjung' which originated from Peninsular and Pattani (Thailand). even gasing kelantan is also there.

but i believe we never burn flag or throw rotten eggs into Indonesian Embassy, or ban student from entering university just bcoz of that...;)

we are matured and rational society....that's what make malaysian proud. eventho we have much 'miskin' in culture...:D

arepull87

September 5th, 2009, 02:03 PM

u know some of the culture is not belong to malaysia or indonesia...the culture is belong to nusantara region!....so many culture that u can found in indonesia it can found in malaysia too..such as songket, keris, batik, wayang, minang culture, gamelan, angklong, gasing and more..the difference is the culture may be evolved and experience assimilation with other local culture until produce slightly different culture than those original culture...

some culture yes..non of malaysian practice it such as tarian pendet that true u can only found in bali indonesia....

maybe both of the government should discuss this matter deeply..im sure this can be next big issue in the future...both of the government need to clarify it...before another volcano exploded...^^

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 6th, 2009, 12:36 PM

:lol: i wanna laugh. bcoz i found some funny thing...

some cultures are belong to malay culture and even originated from the peninsular (songket) but then 'claimed' by indonesian just becoz small part of their citizen has that....

not that the photos there are 'Keris Pekaka' and 'Keris Semenanjung' which originated from Peninsular and Pattani (Thailand). even gasing kelantan is also there.

but i believe we never burn flag or throw rotten eggs into Indonesian Embassy, or ban student from entering university just bcoz of that...;)

we are matured and rational society....that's what make malaysian proud. eventho we have much 'miskin' in culture...:D

Let i said bro....we share culture in malay culture...

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM

KelvinKoh

September 6th, 2009, 04:24 PM

Let i said bro....we share culture in malay culture...

when u take from other peoples...it's 'SHAAAARING'. but when those javanese in johor plays reog...it's 'MAAAAALING'...;)

it's ok. :cheers: :lol:

KelvinKoh

September 6th, 2009, 04:29 PM

nazrey

September 6th, 2009, 05:06 PM

Arkib Negara terima anugerah UNESCO

06/09/2009 8:10pm

SEPANG 6 Sept. — Arkib Negara Malaysia buat pertama kali menerima anugerah Jikji Memory of The World Prize 2009 oleh Pertubuhan Pendidikan, Saintifik dan Kebudayaan Pertubuhan Bangsa Bersatu (UNESCO).

Pemilihan itu dibuat semasa Mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Penasihat Antarabangsa UNESCO pada 31 Julai lepas di Bridgetown, Barbados.

Ketua Pengarah Arkib Negara, Datuk Sidek Jamil berkata, pemilihan adalah berdasarkan kepada sumbangan arkib khusus dalam program pengembangan, pendidikan dan latihan dalam pemeliharaan bahan khazanah warisan di rantau Asia.

“Daripada 29 buah negara yang bertanding, Malaysia berjaya dipilih pemenang dan ini merupakan satu penganugerahan yang besar buat negara kita. “ katanya kepada pemberita sejurus tiba di Lapangan Terbang Antarabangsa Kuala Lumpur (KLIA) di sini hari ini. - Bernama

National Archives Of Malaysia Wins Unesco/Jikji Award
September 06, 2009 20:05 PM

SEPANG, Sept 6 (Bernama) -- The National Archives of Malaysia has been named winner of the Unesco/Jikji Memory of The World Prize 2009.

The decision was made at Unesco's International Advisory Committee meeting on July 31 in Bridgetown, Barbados.

National Archives director-general Datuk Sidek Jamil said the award was given in recognition of its outreach, educational and training programmes in the area of preservation within the Asian region.

"Malaysia was judged the winner from among 29 countries. The award is an honour for the country," he said on arrival at KL International Airport (KLIA) here Sunday.

The award comes with a certificate and prize money of USD30,000.

The Jikji Memory of The World Prize is in memory of the Jikji registration, the world's oldest metal printed book printed in 1377 in Cheongju, Korea.

Given biennially, the award is given to individuals or organisations.

Past winners include Phonogrammarchiv, Austrian Academy of Sciences in 2007 and the National Library of Czech Republic in 2005.

-- BERNAMA

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 03:45 AM

when u take from other peoples...it's 'SHAAAARING'. but when those javanese in johor plays reog...it's 'MAAAAALING'...;)

it's ok. :cheers: :lol:

Javanese and Malay is different you know....
Javanese is refer to tribe in Java Island (indonesia)...excluded Sunda Tribe..
Malay is refer to...Sumatra...Malacca...or Malay Peninsula..(Indonesia, malaysia, singapura, brunei)
So..Java is not Malay...so culture from Java is different from Malay...Malaysia have some Java culture is not because share culture base on one root of culture (Malay culture)...but cos people from Java is bring it to Malaysia.

So reog is from Java (indonesia
Songket and gasing is Malay (indonesia and malaysia)

Its differents...

Thanks

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 03:55 AM

:lol: i wanna laugh. bcoz i found some funny thing...

some cultures are belong to malay culture and even originated from the peninsular (songket) but then 'claimed' by indonesian just becoz small part of their citizen has that....

For songket...

Songket adalah jenis kain tenunan tradisional Melayu yang berasal dari Indonesia dan Malaysia. Songket biasanya ditenun dengan tangan dengan benang emas dan perak dan pada umumnya dikenakan pada acara-acara resmi.

Asal-usul kain songket adalah dari perdagangan zaman dahulu di antara Tiongkok dan India. Orang Tionghoa menyediakan sutera sedangkan orang India menyumbang benang emas dan perak. Akibatnya, jadilah songket.

Kain songket ditenun pada mesin tenun bingkai Melayu. Pola-pola rumit diciptakan dengan memperkenalkan benang-benang emas atau perak ekstra dengan penggunaan sehelai jarum leper.

Songket harus melalui delapan peringkat sebelum menjadi sepotong kain dan masih ditenun secara tradisional. Karena penenun biasanya dari desa, tidak mengherankan bahwa motif-motifnya pun dipolakan dengan flora dan fauna lokal. Motif ini juga dinamai dengan kue lokal Melayu seperti seri kaya, wajik, dan tepung talam, yang diduga merupakan favorit raja.

Because Songket is Malay culture...so Indonesia as Malay country have it..
And for your info...a lot of type of songket is exist in Indonesia...not just from small part of indonesia citizen as you said..

Songket type: songket padang, songket palembang, songket taruntung, songket kalimantan, songket bali, songket bali, songket pandai singkek, songket silungkang, etc....see?????

Thanks&Regards

XNeo

September 7th, 2009, 04:17 AM

yes there no such agreement....but like a said before..this is for ethic and respect...
Respect the culture come from...and respect who create it....respect my ancestor...

then u have to do research and proved that the culture is 100% originated
from your country.

some of malaysian culture that have similar to Indonesian culture are from east cost malaysia where there no javanese speaking ppl.

and if you want to show such respect....
than start it with yurself.
everyting u used and get benefit from it which not belong to your country u have to mentioned where it is from ..get permission 1st.this scc...kfc foods..etc.

its crazy.:)

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 04:18 AM

A few type of songket...

Bali
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6544/bali2.jpg

Pandaisikek
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6007/pandaisikek.jpg

Padang
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/362/pdg2.jpg
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3103/pdg.jpg

Palembang
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/293/plm2.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3521/plmg.jpg

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 04:25 AM

then u have to do research and proved that the culture is 100% originated
from your country.

Wayang Jawa is 1000% from Java, Indonesia...not wayang...but Wayang Jawa

For batik...this issue is the motif...not the batik...

Reog is 1000% from Ponorogo, East Java, Indonesia..

Pendet is 1000% from Bali, Indonesia

then u have to do research and proved that the culture is 100% originated
from your country.

some of malaysian culture that have similar to Indonesian culture are from east cost malaysia where there no javanese speaking ppl.

and if you want to show such respect....
than start it with yurself.
everyting u used and get benefit from it which not belong to your country u have to mentioned where it is from ..get permission 1st.this scc...kfc foods..etc.

its crazy.:)

i always respect another culture bro...and i hate KFC...lebih enak GUDEG

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 04:42 AM

As i know about hipotesis of keris...

Keris termasuk salah satu senjata tradisional asli Indonesia. Senjata ini diperkirakan berawal dari Pulau Jawa pada abad ke-6, kemudian menyebar ke seluruh wilayah Nusantara. Ketika Majapahit berkuasa pada abad ke-14, keris menyebar hingga ke wilayah jajahannya, seperti Malaysia, Filipina selatan, Kamboja, dan Thailand selatan.

Istilah keris ditemukan pada prasasti lempengan perunggu Karangtengah bertuliskan angka tahun 748 Saka atau 824 Masehi. Sementara keris tertua ditemukan di Desa Dawuku, Kecamatan Grabag, Kabupaten Magelang, dibuat sekitar tahun 500 Masehi.

This is a Nusantara culuture...

Thanks&Regards
HONAS

dcOhiney

September 7th, 2009, 07:47 AM

Javanese and Malay is different you know....
Javanese is refer to tribe in Java Island (indonesia)...excluded Sunda Tribe..
Malay is refer to...Sumatra...Malacca...or Malay Peninsula..(Indonesia, malaysia, singapura, brunei)
So..Java is not Malay...so culture from Java is different from Malay...Malaysia have some Java culture is not because share culture base on one root of culture (Malay culture)...but cos people from Java is bring it to Malaysia.

So reog is from Java (indonesia
Songket and gasing is Malay (indonesia and malaysia)

Its differents...

Thanks

tapi mas, yang memainkan reog itu orang jawa johor, bukannya orang melayu (melayu asli) johor. jadi salahkah mereka?

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 08:14 AM

tapi mas, yang memainkan reog itu orang jawa johor, bukannya orang melayu (melayu asli) johor. jadi salahkah mereka?

Ga salah....

Budaya Jawa pasti adalah dari pulau jawa..dan pulau jawa adalah bagian dari negara Indonesia...seluruh dunia juga tau....jadi jangan di permasalahkan...

Orang jawa melestarikan budayanya di negeri orang tidak akan menjadi masalah...kita tidak bisa melarang orang jawa yang tinggal di malaysia untuk melestarikan budayanya...

yang jadi masalah jika itu di klaim sebagai budaya dimana org itu tinggal...dalam kasus ini di Malaysia..

Tapi sampai saat ini tidak ada bukti bahwa malaysia mematenkannya, jadi tidak ada masalah.

Cuma, banyak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia yang menggunakan budaya jawa untuk promosi...nah ini yang harus menjadi point penting....
Seharusnya dalam mempromosikan suatu budaya...harus mengatakan darimana budaya itu berasal....sedangkan pihak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia tidak melakukan hal itu....itu adalah kode etik dalam berbudaya dan sikap menghargai budaya itu sendiri.

Seharusnya Pemerintah Malaysia menegur mereka itu...selama ini cuma membiarkan...mungkin seperti cuci tangan.. kalo ga dipermasalahkan....malaysia untung....kalo dipermasalahkan Malaysia bisa cuci tangan.....dan menyalahkan pihak ketiga...

Seharusnya tidak boleh begini...

silverian86

September 7th, 2009, 08:50 AM

^^ dan seharusnya pemerintah Indonesia menegur media-media di Indonesia yang sering melaporkan berita-berita yang negatif dan terlalu kontroversi serta menghasut rakyatnya untuk membenci Malaysia

arepull87

September 7th, 2009, 09:51 AM

Cuma, banyak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia yang menggunakan budaya jawa untuk promosi...nah ini yang harus menjadi point penting....
Seharusnya dalam mempromosikan suatu budaya...harus mengatakan darimana budaya itu berasal....sedangkan pihak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia tidak melakukan hal itu....itu adalah kode etik dalam berbudaya dan sikap menghargai budaya itu sendiri.

Seharusnya Pemerintah Malaysia menegur mereka itu...selama ini cuma membiarkan...mungkin seperti cuci tangan.. kalo ga dipermasalahkan....malaysia untung....kalo dipermasalahkan Malaysia bisa cuci tangan.....dan menyalahkan pihak ketiga...

Seharusnya tidak boleh begini...

i respect ur opinion:)...tetapi bagi saya, kerajaan malaysia atau pihak swasta, tidak semestinya perlu memberitahu asal usul budaya tersebut dari negara mana...kerajaan malaysia turut mempromasikan budaya cina dan india seperti, tarian naga, tarian singa, Cantonese opera, ghost festival, thaipusam, some indian dance...dan semua budaya ini berasal dari tanah besar cina dan india tentunya...tetapi kerajaan kami tidak pula menyebut asal usul budaya ini semasa melakukan tourism campaign...kerajaan china dan india pula tidak pernah mengatakan kami mengklaim budaya ini...dan mereka tidak pernah memaksa kami memberitahu masyarakat dunia asal usul budaya ini dari negara mereka...

dan untuk pengetahuan mas danang, budaya jawa ,minang, bugis yang malaysia paparkan dalam iklan tourism kami bukanlah objek untuk tujuan komersial, untuk menarik wisata semata-mata...tetapi budaya ini turut diamalkan secara meluas di kalangan masyarakat tersebut seperti reog dance yang anda boleh lihat di johor batu pahat terutamanya.. manakala budaya minang mas boleh lihat secara meluas d negeri sembilan...

seharusnya isu ini tidak timbul...indonesia sepatutnya berbanga apabila budaya mereka tersebar luas dan masih lagi diamalkan walaupun sudah beratus tahun masyarakat jawa, bugis, melayu atau mana2 etnik dari indonesia sudah berhijrah ke malaysia bukanya berasa benci dan marah apabila malaysia mempopularkan budya ini di masyrakat dunia....

adakah kerana malaysia yang memperkenalkan kepada dunia budaya nusantara ini dan bukanya indonesia maka masyarakat di negara kamu berasa marah dan benci pada kami?..this is just my opinion..and once again danang..i really appreciate ur opinion..:)

arepull87

September 7th, 2009, 10:47 AM

-double post-

KelvinKoh

September 7th, 2009, 12:12 PM

sayang seribu kali sayang.

indonesia mungkin lebih kaya budaya tari dan budaya seni nya, tetapi miskin sekali budaya sopan santun, menghormati jiran dan budaya berbaik sangka sesama saudara....

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 06:20 PM

sayang seribu kali sayang.

indonesia mungkin lebih kaya budaya tari dan budaya seni nya, tetapi miskin sekali budaya sopan santun, menghormati jiran dan budaya berbaik sangka sesama saudara....

We respect malaysia........we do....

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 06:23 PM

i respect ur opinion:)...tetapi bagi saya, kerajaan malaysia atau pihak swasta, tidak semestinya perlu memberitahu asal usul budaya tersebut dari negara mana...kerajaan malaysia turut mempromasikan budaya cina dan india seperti, tarian naga, tarian singa, Cantonese opera, ghost festival, thaipusam, some indian dance...dan semua budaya ini berasal dari tanah besar cina dan india tentunya...tetapi kerajaan kami tidak pula menyebut asal usul budaya ini semasa melakukan tourism campaign...kerajaan china dan india pula tidak pernah mengatakan kami mengklaim budaya ini...dan mereka tidak pernah memaksa kami memberitahu masyarakat dunia asal usul budaya ini dari negara mereka...

dan untuk pengetahuan mas danang, budaya jawa ,minang, bugis yang malaysia paparkan dalam iklan tourism kami bukanlah objek untuk tujuan komersial, untuk menarik wisata semata-mata...tetapi budaya ini turut diamalkan secara meluas di kalangan masyarakat tersebut seperti reog dance yang anda boleh lihat di johor batu pahat terutamanya.. manakala budaya minang mas boleh lihat secara meluas d negeri sembilan...

seharusnya isu ini tidak timbul...indonesia sepatutnya berbanga apabila budaya mereka tersebar luas dan masih lagi diamalkan walaupun sudah beratus tahun masyarakat jawa, bugis, melayu atau mana2 etnik dari indonesia sudah berhijrah ke malaysia bukanya berasa benci dan marah apabila malaysia mempopularkan budya ini di masyrakat dunia....

adakah kerana malaysia yang memperkenalkan kepada dunia budaya nusantara ini dan bukanya indonesia maka masyarakat di negara kamu berasa marah dan benci pada kami?..this is just my opinion..and once again danang..i really appreciate ur opinion..:)

Every people have own opinion right??? this is democrazy...
Yeah let our govt settle this issue...

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 7th, 2009, 06:32 PM

^^ dan seharusnya pemerintah Indonesia menegur media-media di Indonesia yang sering melaporkan berita-berita yang negatif dan terlalu kontroversi serta menghasut rakyatnya untuk membenci Malaysia

Ini yang susah.....we can't control media....govt can't control media...
Semua di atur oleh undang-undang press....freedom of speech...
For information...not only for Malaysia-Indonesia issue our media go to far like this...but all issue...
from infotainment like manohara...corruption....killer...election president....everything...
they always dig and dig for search news....
make opinion..make conclusion...yeah..i admit..that power of media in indonesi is very2 strong...

i don't know this is wrong or not....

KelvinKoh

September 7th, 2009, 07:02 PM

Ini yang susah.....we can't control media....govt can't control media...
Semua di atur oleh undang-undang press....freedom of speech...
For information...not only for Malaysia-Indonesia issue our media go to far like this...but all issue...
from infotainment like manohara...corruption....killer...election president....everything...
they always dig and dig for search news....
make opinion..make conclusion...yeah..i admit..that power of media in indonesi is very2 strong...

i don't know this is wrong or not....

saya sentiasa akan ingat kata-kata Lee Kuan Yew bahawa Pemerintah itu yang dipilih oleh rakyat. maka pemerintah lah yang diberi kepercayaan untuk melakukan yang terbaik untuk rakyat.

sebaliknya bukan rakyat yang memilih Kepala atau Ketua atau Pemilik media. maka mengapa perlu tugas yang diberikan rakyat kepada pemerintah diberikan pula kepada media? dan tujuan utama media ialah untuk keuntungan.

nah, kerna terpengaruh dengan budaya barat yang medianya bebas, adakah kita mahu menggadaikan negara untuk pihak yang mengejar keuntungan?

seperti juga manusia yang walaupun merdeka, tetapi perlu dikawal tingkah lakunya melalui undang-undang...

arief_malaysia96

September 8th, 2009, 02:05 AM

rizalhakim

September 8th, 2009, 04:34 AM

Malacca to focus on educational tourism to boost forex earnings
Published: 2009/09/08

THE Malacca government will focus on the potentials of educational tourism as a new market segment to boost foreign exchange earnings.

Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam said the state government would grab this opportunity in view of the federal government's move to promote Malaysia as a regional centre for educational excellence.

"In this context, tourist arrivals to Malaysia are expected to increase at an average rate of 8.4 per cent annually and reach 24.6 million visitors by the year 2010.

"Thus, revenue from the tourism sector is expected to increase at an average rate of 13.9 per cent to RM59.4 billion in 2010 for the whole tourism products," Mohd Ali said at the Monthly Gathering of the Malacca Government Administration organised by the Universiti Teknikal Malay-sia Melaka (UTeM) at the Dataran Seri Negeri, Ayer Keroh, Ma-lacca, yesterday.

Mohd Ali said over the last 10 years since 1999, Malacca had received 40.1 million visitors comprising 29.5 million domestic tourists and 10.5 million foreigners.

Following the rise in tourist arrivals, Malacca had recorded an increase in tourism revenue from RM1.2 billion in 1999 to RM3.6 billion last year. - Bernama

Mospeada

September 8th, 2009, 04:55 AM

Ini yang susah.....we can't control media....govt can't control media...
Semua di atur oleh undang-undang press....freedom of speech...
For information...not only for Malaysia-Indonesia issue our media go to far like this...but all issue...
from infotainment like manohara...corruption....killer...election president....everything...
they always dig and dig for search news....
make opinion..make conclusion...yeah..i admit..that power of media in indonesi is very2 strong...

i don't know this is wrong or not....

look like your media dig a s***t.

for ex. manohara case...which make this plump gurl becoming a star/famous just because her marriage problem with malaysian...and because she is pretty and adorable to indonesian (indonesian always adore to cute...mix..pretty...fair..charming ppl, such as their actor/actress ).

do you know there a case where malaysian women married to an indonesian men and get abused in your country?.
and i do believe in indonesia itself there are many more serious cases abuse in marriage.
..and unfortunately those women are not pretty like mano-huru hara :lol:

and u still dunno it is wrong or not?.logical thinking bro...

its just shown your media is unfair...profit oriented and have power to manipulate those who lazy to find the truth.

rizalhakim

September 8th, 2009, 06:07 AM

http://www.utusan.com.my/pix/2009/0908/Utusan_Malaysia/Sabah_&_Sarawak/wb_01.1.jpg
SEBUAH jeti yang disediakan bagi kemudahan orang ramai untuk melakukan aktiviti memancing di kawasan Tasik Biru di pekan kecil Bau di Kuching.

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2009&dt=0908&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Sabah_%26_Sarawak&pg=wb_01.htm

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2009&dt=0908&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Sabah_%26_Sarawak&pg=wb_02.htm

rizalhakim

September 8th, 2009, 06:34 AM

http://www.smarttravelasia.com/images/POLLHoliday.jpg
http://www.smarttravelasia.com/travelpoll.htm#Holiday

6.Langkawi
10.Penang

http://www.smarttravelasia.com/images/POLLShopping.jpg
http://www.smarttravelasia.com/travelpoll.htm#Shopping
4.Kuala Lumpur

http://www.smarttravelasia.com/images/POLLBizCity.jpg
http://www.smarttravelasia.com/travelpoll.htm#BizCity
3.Kuala Lumpur

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 8th, 2009, 07:18 AM

look like your media dig a s***t.

and u still dunno it is wrong or not?.logical thinking bro...

its just shown your media is unfair...profit oriented and have power to manipulate those who lazy to find the truth.

What i mean is...did free of speech is wrong or not????
Maybe my media is gone to far....but unfair??? i don't think so....
Every issue always have pro-contra...every issue...

Like manohara...not all media believe her statement...
About malaysia-indonesia relationship....not all media blame malaysia..

My media is provocative?? yes...blow up issue?? yes....but unfair??? no...

Thanks

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 8th, 2009, 07:19 AM

seperti juga manusia yang walaupun merdeka, tetapi perlu dikawal tingkah lakunya melalui undang-undang...

i agree 100%

DanangSuthoWijoyo

September 8th, 2009, 07:29 AM

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This is from Jakarta Post
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Riyadi Suparno , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 08/27/2009 12:52 PM | Headlines

We Indonesians are simply overreacting in our response to Malaysia's use of the Balinese Pendet dance in promotional TV spots. We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother. And such responses will not help us become a better nation.

First, it was a small protest from a group of Balinese people, the rightful owner of the dance, then unfortunately it grew into a nationwide condemnation of Malaysia.

Just read the comments posted at www.thejakartapost.com or many other Internet forums discussing the issue, and you will easily find many condemnations from Indonesians against Malaysia, some even urging the government to ganyang (invade) Malaysia, invoking memories of the time Indonesia was in confrontation with Malaysia.

Unwisely, the government responded in the same way, with the tourism minister summoning the Malaysian embassy's top official and sending a letter of protest to his counterpart in Kuala Lumpur.

But it did not stop there. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono joined the fray, calling on the Malaysian government to deal more carefully with "sensitive" cultural issues between the two countries.

Our responses have really gone too far. Just read this news from Antara: Diponegoro University (Undip), one of Indonesia's leading institutes of higher learning, has stopped admitting Malaysian students for the 2009-2010 academic year in an expression of "nationalism".

"We have done it as a concrete expression of our sense of nationalism," Undip rector Susilo Wibowo said Tuesday as quoted by Antara, after attending a ceremony to mark the induction of new students.

But we don't know the real reasons behind it. It could be because there were no Malaysian students applying to study at the university this academic year, which begins in July.

The point here is that we just overreacted to this issue, or worse, we tried to bully one of our closest neighbors.

Malaysia uses various Asian cultural expressions, especially Chinese and Indian, in its tourism campaign "Malaysia Truly Asia". China and India have never protested Malaysia's use of their cultural heritage in its tourism campaigns.

Why then are we so angry whenever Malaysia uses our cultural heritage, including the Pendet, batik and wayang in their tourism campaigns? In reality, though, Malaysia has never claimed the Pendet as their dance, batik as their craft or wayang as their performance.

These are Indonesian cultural expressions brought to Malaysia by the millions of Indonesians who moved there, mostly as migrant workers.

If it's an issue of rights, we don't have copyrights for most of our cultural products. Much, if not the majority of our cultural heritage, was created by our ancestors for the good of society and mankind.

For instance, many of our best classical Javanese gamelan compositions were written by anonymous composers. They were composed for the kings and the people, and the composers deliberately did not put their names there, much less copyrighted them.

Before Indonesia existed, anyone could play these compositions, even people from outside the Javanese kingdom. Now that Indonesia exists, does it mean nobody outside Indonesia can play and use them in their tourism campaigns, even if they have gamelan groups in their own countries?

Currently, hundreds of gamelan groups exist outside Indonesia. If they wish to promote their groups or if their country wishes to use these gamelan groups to promote tourism, they have every right to use gamelan images in their campaign.

Thus instead of getting angry or sending letter of protests or stopping admitting Malaysian students, we should be more positive and collaborate with the Malaysian government to promote our culture in that country.

When there are more Malaysians dancing the Pendet and playing the gamelan and to Indonesian pop songs, it will only mean more benefits, and not losses, to Indonesia. It will mean more commerce and tourism between the two countries.

Not only that, it would also strengthen cultural ties between the two nations.

Similarly, if Malaysia advertises more Indonesian cultural heritage, it would bring more benefits than losses to us.

Let says, Malaysia advertises the Pendet, and tourists go there because of the advertisement. There is a great chance these tourists will continue on to Bali to see the Pendet at its source. So it not only saves us precious advertising dollars - which we rarely ever spend anyway - but also brings in dollar from more tourist visits.

So let Malaysians dance our Pendet and play our wayang and advertise them. It will only do good things for us in Indonesia.

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