I have this thing going on now... here it is

So i live in NY now and i have an israeli citzenship i m about to turn 16 and i have to make a choice in order to keep my israeli citezenship and to get my teudat zeut. the thing is i have to make a choice before i turn 17 to go to the army or lose my israeli citzenship and i dont know wat to do??

I have this thing going on now... here it is

So i live in NY now and i have an israeli citzenship i m about to turn 16 and i have to make a choice in order to keep my israeli citezenship and to get my teudat zeut. the thing is i have to make a choice before i turn 17 to go to the army or lose my israeli citzenship and i dont know wat to do??


The Israeli Citizenship is a recipe for trouble.
I say.... try to get whatever passport you want and then when you really need to get the Israeli one.

I only use my Tuedat Zeut when i go to Israel and back :D

If you have a family in Israel and want to be able to visit you will have to fulfill your obligation as a citizen. If your life is totally in the U.S. and you don't have a large family to tie you to Israel you can just give up your Israeli citizenship. I hope you have another citizenship for travel purposes

The Israeli Citizenship is a recipe for trouble.
I say.... try to get whatever passport you want and then when you really need to get the Israeli one.

I only use my Tuedat Zeut when i go to Israel and back :D

stay slovenian! (or croatian?)
u must be proud that u're an israel...recipe for trouble?stay canadian we dont need antizionist citizens

stay slovenian! (or croatian?)
u must be proud that u're an israel...recipe for trouble?stay canadian we dont need antizionist citizens

Im more Zionist than you'd ever be!

If he doesnt plan on going to Israel anytime soon, he can still keep his US passport + get another one if he is illegible. It works for his advantage.
And besides...

The Canadian one does the same as the Israeli one, plus more.
I can travel to Israel and back and i can go to more places.

Talk about Anti-Zionist..
im contemplating on renewing my passport and leaving the Born in: Bat Yam, Israel blank, or better yet...... have it say where it was issued (E.g Toronto, Canada).

This way i can get access to far off places, UAE....Iran...Pakistan...... etc...

Im sure Zohar hides alot of things behind his closet :lol: another passport other than Israel to be one...

Iran,UAE,Pakistan ?
I just wont visit countries which not respects me!

I have this thing going on now... here it is

So i live in NY now and i have an israeli citzenship i m about to turn 16 and i have to make a choice in order to keep my israeli citezenship and to get my teudat zeut. the thing is i have to make a choice before i turn 17 to go to the army or lose my israeli citzenship and i dont know wat to do??

I have been living in the US since I was very young, and I have never lost my citizenship just for not serving in the army. However, it might be the fact that I grew up in the US that makes it a choice for me, which is the same thing for Jews who come to Israel that aren't born there. Either way, the choice will be up to you and you alone. On a sidenote, since you live in the state of NY, you should come over to a NYC fourm meet or even just come with me to a Liberty game to see Shay Doron, who is the first Israeli-born WNBA player.

Iran,UAE,Pakistan ?
I just wont visit countries which not respects me!


Thats like all of em, almost :lol:
you should consider getting another passport/citizenship!

I have this thing going on now... here it is

So i live in NY now and i have an israeli citzenship i m about to turn 16 and i have to make a choice in order to keep my israeli citezenship and to get my teudat zeut. the thing is i have to make a choice before i turn 17 to go to the army or lose my israeli citzenship and i dont know wat to do??

Hmm something here seems incorrect. First of all, how old were you when you left Israel? If you weren't 16 at the time, there is no problem at all, and there is no such choice. You go to the consulate, and you fill out 2 applications for exemption of military service. You will get a document, and will be able to visit Israel for up to 120 days every year, plus you will get a one-time stay of a whole year. As far as I know, you cannot give up your Israeli citizenship, and you must use it when you enter Israel.

If, however, you were 16 at the time that you left, you are not eligible for the exemption. You will have to serve in the army when you enter Israel, and you might have problems at the border. However, it does not mean that you will lose the citizenship, you will simply not be able to enter Israel without military service.

EDIT: I didn't notice that you said "you are about to turn 16". You shouldn't have a problem at all. Go to your closest Israeli consulate to get the exemption arranged. You don't need a teudat zeut at this point - it is an internal document, and has nothing to do with your citizenship.

^^ i got that exemption and military papers.....
But the thing is..i only got like 60 days in Israel? How come its 120 now? :D still good none the less.

What do they do with Israeli born Students? Army?

u see i don#t get this.....does this mean i will have to attend university after military service?

Since I never grew up in Israel, I get to join the military voluntarily otherwise I can just sit it out w/o being arrested for refusing to serve.

^^ i got that exemption and military papers.....
But the thing is..i only got like 60 days in Israel? How come its 120 now? :D still good none the less.
No idea about the 60 days thing. It clearly says 120 on my paper. However, if the law has changed, it probably applies to you too, so you may want to check with the Israeli consulate.

What do they do with Israeli born Students? Army?
Yes - army. As an Israeli citizen you have to serve in the army, regardless of the purpose of your stay (to the best of my knowledge...). If you come to Israel for the purpose of studying and you break the conditions of your exemption paper, you will be obligated to serve the military term. EDIT: if you do decide to study/serve in the army, please beware that to the best of my knowledge, you cannot get another exemption paper. So once you break the conditions, you lose that document forever, and will have to serve in miluim (reserve service) every year as well.

u see i don#t get this.....does this mean i will have to attend university after military service?
If you plan to move to Israel, then generally, the answer is yes. There is a thing called "atuda", where you first study in university and then serve in the army. However, you will have to sign a contract with the army for an extended period (usually you'll have to serve about 7 years instead of the usual 3). You will usually be serving in a position that relates to your profession/skills gained at university, although it's not always as good as you may like it to be. Also, to be eligible for atuda, there are certain requirements, such as high marks, a good score on the psychometric test, and some others. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the atuda program has another advantage: the army pays for your education (hence the other requirements)

Since I never grew up in Israel, I get to join the military voluntarily otherwise I can just sit it out w/o being arrested for refusing to serve.
If you are a citizen of Israel, you still need to get the paper that I mentioned, and you will have to serve in the army if you break its conditions (i.e. overstaying your visit). It doesn't matter whether you grew up in Israel or not. If, however, you do not have citizenship, you are not obliged to do anything, because the obligations of an Israeli citizen do not apply to you.

PS: I am not a lawyer, nor a military specialist. To be sure, ask your questions at the Israeli consulate.

^^ thanks :)

If you are a citizen of Israel, you still need to get the paper that I mentioned, and you will have to serve in the army if you break its conditions (i.e. overstaying your visit). It doesn't matter whether you grew up in Israel or not. If, however, you do not have citizenship, you are not obliged to do anything, because the obligations of an Israeli citizen do not apply to you.

PS: I am not a lawyer, nor a military specialist. To be sure, ask your questions at the Israeli consulate.
I didn't come to Israel to dodge a draft. The reason is b/c of my father had a transfer of a job in NYC, so we had to move there. This goes back to when I was still an infant. We are fortunate enough to live near a city that does have an Israeli consulate yet alone the highest Israeli population outside of Israel.

What happens if the kid never lived in Israel like Tal and got citizen because his parents made him, but never been to Israel or have, visiting it?

I m going to be 16 on july 26th... and i already went to the embassy they told me that i have to make a choice before i turn 17 if i want to go... i didnt all that the thing is.. they told me there that if i dont go to the army i wont be able to go to israel without another citezienship.... i have only an israeli one.. i had a russian one but i didnt renew it... i dont want to get it even. so the only one i have is an israeli.

^^ russian or some other one?
Cause if you have say Latvian you can register for a EU passport too..
your ticket into the European union....
freedom of labour, freedom of trade, freedom of movement :)

yeh it's great to get EU passport...i wish i could get it

yeh it's great to get EU passport...i wish i could get it

I have EU passport :banana:

What happens if the kid never lived in Israel like Tal and got citizen because his parents made him, but never been to Israel or have, visiting it?

Your English keeps getting worse :ohno:

What happens if the kid never lived in Israel like Tal and got citizen because his parents made him, but never been to Israel or have, visiting it?

Kappa, I do go back to Israel every year to visit my family. Since I was born in Israel, I am an automatic citizen. Of course I only became an American citizen b/c my parents passed the natrailization test that allowed for both me and my brother to become citizens and be exempt from the test itself, though I can volunteer to take it myself if I wanted to. I might be living as an American, but I will always be an Israeli by birth.

I m going to be 16 on july 26th... and i already went to the embassy they told me that i have to make a choice before i turn 17 if i want to go... i didnt all that the thing is.. they told me there that if i dont go to the army i wont be able to go to israel without another citezienship.... i have only an israeli one.. i had a russian one but i didnt renew it... i dont want to get it even. so the only one i have is an israeli.
I am not gonna argue, but something here is simply strange. First of all, how can they suggest that you get another citizenship if you have an Israeli one? You cannot cancel the Israeli citizenship, nor can you enter Israel with a foreign passport if you have an Israeli one.

I do know of a law that prohibits people from renewing their passports after 10 years, but it has nothing to do with you having to serve in the army. Since you left Israel before the age of 16, you shouldn't have to.

What happens if the kid never lived in Israel like Tal and got citizen because his parents made him, but never been to Israel or have, visiting it?
Shouldn't be any difference. You are a citizen, and it doesn't mater how or when you became one. If you would like to continue visiting Israel after you turn 16-17, you should get the exemption papers.

I have went to the Israeli Consulate, which is near the UN, to fill out those papers when I was told to.

I have went to the Israeli Consulate, which is near the UN, to fill out those papers when I was told to.


Did you meet Consulate General Pinkas :D

Kappa, I do go back to Israel every year to visit my family. Since I was born in Israel, I am an automatic citizen. Of course I only became an American citizen b/c my parents passed the natrailization test that allowed for both me and my brother to become citizens and be exempt from the test itself, though I can volunteer to take it myself if I wanted to. I might be living as an American, but I will always be an Israeli by birth.

Well..a scenario....
but yea.... never knew you were an Israeli born...
thought you were a Jewish American Prince(ss) :D heheheh JAP!

I have never forgotten that I was a native of Haifa and I always keep that with me.