i realise a lot of people will not like this but i think it would be a good idea to have two national stadiums. obviously wembley would be the main one without question it is the home of football but a second one, somewhere such as the one proposed in the midlands. just an idea.

No, don't think there is need to build another.

Old Trafford is the second one anyway. Building another would be a complete waste of money(enough was spend on Wembley, although its great!)

i see what you mean jozblade about OT it was just a few albion fans were talking about it on monday at wembley and thought i would see what anyone on here thought about it. i was thinking more purpose built for england with no local team playing there but i suppose if one was built in brum, brum city would always end up playing there

OT isn't the second national stadium,it was only used because Wembley was being built.

OT isn't the second national stadium,it was only used because Wembley was being built.

If there had to be one though, it would most probably be Old Trafford.

With England's plentiful supply of outstanding stadia you really dont need another purpose built stadium I reckon. Old Trafford holds more than most countries national stadiums anyway. Then you have the New Anfield coming 35 miles down the road, St James Park will probably hold 60,000 soon enough. COMS - whats that - around 48,000 seater? Sunderlands Stadium of Light 49,000 all seater. Isn't there talk of Birmingham City getting a large new stadium? Would just seem like a bit of a waste of money building another stadium when you already have plenty.

When would this stadium be used?

With England's plentiful supply of outstanding stadia you really dont need another purpose built stadium I reckon. Old Trafford holds more than most countries national stadiums anyway. Then you have the New Anfield coming 35 miles down the road, St James Park will probably hold 60,000 soon enough. COMS - whats that - around 48,000 seater? Sunderlands Stadium of Light 49,000 all seater. Isn't there talk of Birmingham City getting a large new stadium? Would just seem like a bit of a waste of money building another stadium when you already have plenty.

COMS.

It's short for 'City Of Manchester Stadium'. :)

When would this stadium be used?

general concensus mate was sharing internationals with wembley, although the more i type on the topic the more far fetched i see it becoming! the 2nd stadium could have the estonia type games while wembley has the more trendy ties like russia

Personal opinion, but I think that the national stadium should only be used for cup ties (including international tournaments) and that international friendlies should be nationwide.

Personal opinion, but I think that the national stadium should only be used for cup ties (including international tournaments) and that international friendlies should be nationwide.

a lot of people have said that mate (obviously i never speak to anyone more southern than the midlands so maybe biased) they would like us to employ a similar system to the likes of germany who tour the country for international ties

a lot of people have said that mate (obviously i never speak to anyone more southern than the midlands so maybe biased) they would like us to employ a similar system to the likes of germany who tour the country for international ties
Indeed, and it's not just from a sports perspective either. An international friendly makes literally hundreds of thousands for the local economy. Having all this poured into London is completely unfair, considering the majority of England fans don't live there. The impact of the England internationals on the area around Old Trafford was quite phenomenal.

I'm sorry but the whole 'England on the road' thing was codswallop because the FA plumped for Old Trafford 90% of the time. Hmm Higher capacity...more tickets, more money.

If they did actually share it out equally it would of been a massive success.

Now if they picked Old Trafford more often then not because of the capacity then it was clear that either Wembley or more large club stadiums were needed. How many clubs are willing to cough up the doe and tie themselves down to further debt, and how many clubs can fill 60-90k stadiums? Probably only 4 in this country. Manchester United, Liverpool, Newcastle, Arsenal.

With England's plentiful supply of outstanding stadia you really dont need another purpose built stadium I reckon. Old Trafford holds more than most countries national stadiums anyway. Then you have the New Anfield coming 35 miles down the road, St James Park will probably hold 60,000 soon enough. COMS - whats that - around 48,000 seater? Sunderlands Stadium of Light 49,000 all seater. Isn't there talk of Birmingham City getting a large new stadium? Would just seem like a bit of a waste of money building another stadium when you already have plenty.

Everton are looking at a 55,000 seater as well.

Its out for public consultation but has anyone seen any renders for Everton's new stadium?

Everton move consultation planned

Remaining at Goodison is not a financial option, the club says
A public consultation is to be carried out on plans to move Everton Football Club out of Liverpool.
The club could build a 55,000-seater ground in a development in Kirkby town centre that will also include shops, a hotel and a supermarket.

On Wednesday, Knowsley Borough Council gave the go-ahead to a major consultation on the proposals.

An event will be held in June in the town to give the public a chance to comment on the plans.

Knowsley Council said the development would create about 2,000 jobs in the town and boost the economy by up to £21.5m a year.

White flag

The consultation will focus on the community's opinions of the regeneration of Kirkby town centre.

Two options are to be given - the first of which is a gradual redevelopment in line with a unitary development plan developed 10 years ago.

The second more radical option, includes the new stadium, retail space and residential units.

Everton FC said an alternative to Goodison Park would increase capacity and improve corporate facilities.

Many fans are unhappy with the proposed move four miles out of the city centre, with one shareholder telling last year's AGM it would be like "hoisting the white flag to Liverpool FC that they can have the city".

Chairman Bill Kenwright has said he does not want to be the "guy who moves Everton away from Goodison Park", but that remaining at the club's ageing ground was not a financial option.

The club's last plan to relocate to a 55,000-seater waterfront stadium at King's Dock, Liverpool, was abandoned in 2003.

Its out for public consultation but has anyone seen any renders for Everton's new stadium?


None have been released yet,a lot of fans aren't happy with the proposed move to Kirkby because they'd prefer to stay well within the city boundaries.Everyone's waiting to see what location LCC can come up with.

i see what you mean jozblade about OT it was just a few albion fans were talking about it on monday at wembley and thought i would see what anyone on here thought about it. i was thinking more purpose built for england with no local team playing there but i suppose if one was built in brum, brum city would always end up playing there
Not a bad idea in theory. Just would be an unecessary waste of money though. Would also see clubs like Villa and Man Utd lose money from semi finals etc.

general concensus mate was sharing internationals with wembley, although the more i type on the topic the more far fetched i see it becoming! the 2nd stadium could have the estonia type games while wembley has the more trendy ties like russia
That just loses the whole point and magic of going to Wembley to watch a game.

And if it was needed(a smaller stadium), which would be rare id imagine, cos the England fan base is massive, then a smaller club venue could be used.

Save all the money and pump it into the English game, i.e training facilities to improve the countries footballers etc.

a lot of people have said that mate (obviously i never speak to anyone more southern than the midlands so maybe biased) they would like us to employ a similar system to the likes of germany who tour the country for international ties
I do agree with moving the friendlies about though:)

If Wembley isn't used its Old Trafford/Cardiff.

Cardiff everytime for me ;)

A decent long-distance rail link to Wembley would help so everyone doesn't have to trudge into London centre then squeeze onto that tube or the branch rail line.

The UK already has three national football stadiums, a national rugby stadium and soon a new olympic stadium, we don't need any more.

A decent long-distance rail link to Wembley would help so everyone doesn't have to trudge into London centre then squeeze onto that tube or the branch rail line.

The UK already has three national football stadiums, a national rugby stadium and soon a new olympic stadium, we don't need any more.



you can access Wembley without going into central London.The Branch Line that stops at Wembley staduim runs out to Birmingham(Snow Hill)
ther easiet way to get to Wembley is drive so somewhere like Pinner,park up in the town center,have a drink on one of Pinner's many pubs,then take the Met Line down to Wembley Park,which takes about 10-15 mins

Deffinatly the midlands, no questions asked.

A decent long-distance rail link to Wembley would help so everyone doesn't have to trudge into London centre then squeeze onto that tube or the branch rail line.

The UK already has three national football stadiums, a national rugby stadium and soon a new olympic stadium, we don't need any more.

err three national football stadiums?were on about england not UK

The Branch Line that stops at Wembley staduim runs out to Birmingham(Snow Hill)

I don't think you actually know what a branch line is... :)

A second national stadium will never happen:)

I think the League Cup final should be played at the Millennium Stadium, makes the cup more unique then.

That's why he said UK...
Although he is wrong. There are 4 football stadiums and 3 (not sure if you could count NI rugby as the play in Dublin) rugby stadiums.

The simple reason all games possible are being played at the new Wembley is that they need them in order to pay for construction costs. It probabley would have been even worse elsewhere as you'd get less money from the corperate side and hosting concerts outside London.

I don't think you actually know what a branch line is... :)


i'm sorry Mr Beeching..why don't you educate me....
you knew what i meant anyway mr effing picky...

yep i av always thought that a big stadium should be built in birmingham. its near enough the middle of the country and is easy for anyone from around england to reach. but wembley should have england games and another one for playoff finals and that...

Surely Old Trafford makes the most sense for a secondary role as second national stadium, it is very large, has a lot of history and is far enough away from London to make it easy for Northeners to easily access games, Birmingham imo has the problem that it is too near to London.

Surely Old Trafford makes the most sense for a secondary role as second national stadium, it is very large, has a lot of history and is far enough away from London to make it easy for Northeners to easily access games, Birmingham imo has the problem that it is too near to London.

I think Old Trafford has already taken the role as the 'second national stadium' so no need to build one.

Does Old Trafford host concerts?

^^Yes, it recently hosted Genesis....

I think it would be a good idea to build a new national stadium at the NEC site near Birmingham. What made the old Wembley so special was the fact it was a real achievement to play there, because it hosted so FEW games. Even England rarely played at Wembley in the early days. My idea would be a 80,000 ground in Birmingham similar to the Stade de France in Paris, which is capable of hosting football and athletics. The new ground could host minor England games, FA Cup Semi-finals, Play-off games as well as athletics and possibly even cricket tests.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Stade_de_France_2005.jpg/800px-Stade_de_France_2005.jpg

A stadium that costs so much needs to be used as many times as possible. Two national stadia is needless and makes no economic sense.

Wasn't Port Vale's ground once planned to be a rival to Wembley?

It has to be Wembley for financial reasons, so they should improve rail links and bring back the football special.

only by the directors of Port Vale. any large expensive stadium needs to be mutli use and in use most of the time.

A stadium that costs so much needs to be used as many times as possible. Two national stadia is needless and makes no economic sense.

You may be right about the finances but I can give two good reasons why two national stadiums ARE needed;

1) The mystique of Wembley i.e reserving Wembley for the FA Cup final and not playing the Semis there. http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/820902-harry-redknapp-fa-cup-semis-at-wembley-a-bad-idea

2) The state of the Wembley pitch through overuse. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/chelsea/5195784/Frank-Lampard-Wembley-pitch-is-overused.html

The Wembley pitch is hardly used, the problem with the pitch lies elsewhere.

The FA Cup has lost it's place in the national sporting psyche, reserving a stadium for that is a non starter

What is probably needed is a system where pitches can be slid in and out of Wembley with possibly two or three pitches available to be used.

Did you read the article I posted? The midfielder has played 12 times at the Football Association's new £757 million national stadium for both club and country over the past two years and is perplexed at the way the venue is used for so many non-footballing events.
"It wasn't good and it isn't good," said Lampard. "I don't know why they have so many events here and things like that. It just means the pitch cuts up and is bobbly. It is not the way it should be kept. It should be kept in perfect condition for England games, FA Cup games and the play-offs. At the moment it's not."
Wembley, though, needs other events to underpin the business plan of the stadium and intends to abandon the fibre rye-grass turf pitch in favour of a sand/soil combination.
All four managers criticised the pitch after the FA Cup semi-finals over the weekend, with Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, even claiming that it was handicapping the national team. England manager Fabio Capello is also understood to have concerns.
Uefa said it trusted the FA would find a solution well ahead of the 2011 Champions League final at Wembley. I just looked on wikipedia and it says Wembley hosted 12 music gigs in 2009 add that to NFL, Rugby League and now Saracens have started using it. Surely when the debt has been paid off (I think I read it's 2027) a second national stadium would be a good idea.

The old Wembley was also used for music, playoffs, Rugby League and the Welsh RU team played home games for a season.

The problems with the pitch are specific to the pitch.

The Stade de France also hosts Rugby, 3 x 6 Nations, 3 x Stade Francaise games, French Cup and League Cup finals, some but not all French national team fixtures and concerts.

That's why he said UK...
Although he is wrong. There are 4 football stadiums and 3 (not sure if you could count NI rugby as the play in Dublin) rugby stadiums.

3 of each, isn't it?

Association football: Wembley, Hampden Park, Windsor Park
Rugby football: Twickenham, Murrayfield, Millennium Stadium