FRANKFURT, Germany | Skyline Plaza


Renderings:

Overview
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6576/110526europaviertelluft.jpg

At night
http://i54.************/fbvyuh.jpg
Source (http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/immobilien/objekte/europaviertel-frankfurt-am-main/skyline-plaza-frankfurt-am-main-europaviertel/fotos_und_plaene.html) --- Full resolution (http://i54.************/wchg02.jpg)

Hotel tower (Grand Hyatt) & Congress center near the trade fair
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1862/110513skylineplazakongr.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6435/090518tower2grandhyattu.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6435/090518tower2grandhyattu.jpg
Source: Vivico Real Estate / UN Studio Architects

Shopping mall
http://i55.************/33mbmaf.jpg
Source: ECE / Vivico Real Estate


Plans:

Whole area of the Skyline Plaza
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4346/32699040.jpg
Source: Vivico

Upper floor of the mall, a roofgarden open to the public
http://i55.************/28aky8l.jpg
Source: http://www.skylineplaza.de/skyline_plaza/skyline_plaza.html


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Initial old post:

FRANKFURT: URBAN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER (UEC)

Facts:

· Shopping and entertainment center
· One office tower with 212m (52 floors) by Jean Nouvel
· One hotel tower with 160m (40 floors)
· Several residential buildings
· Located next to the - for skyscraper ethusiasts - world famous MesseTurm
· Centerpiece of a new innercity redevelopment project called Europaviertel (European Quarter) replacing former cargo rail terminal and tracks
· Project has faced several years of delay due to a dispute between the developer and the city
· According to latest news (May 31st) the dispute has been resolved, construction is due to start in 2008, the site is cleared and ready for construction
· Developer is Vivico and ECE (shopping center)





Pics:

The proposed office tower (212m):
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4898/uec10va2.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/364/uec1or9.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2006/y1si2.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8186/y2gk5.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1858/y3ks5.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9296/y4va8.jpg
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9492/y5wz6.jpg

little pic of the hotel tower
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4800/y6oa1.jpg

Cute towers, great addition!

finally a 200+, c'mon guys, pull him up as fast as you can :D

I doubt Vivico will built the office tower spaculatively. they will look for a anchor tenant first - this could happen sooner then later, if you look at the current boom in Frankfurt and what happenend to other projects like the OpernTurm (where the highrise element was supposed to start later, but then Tishman Speyer found an anchor tenant and now the entire development is u/c in one go). this won't effect the rest of the project though - they can build the shopping center and the hotel tower and wait with the office tower until an anchor tenant is found..

I wonder why Vivico and Deutsche Bahn don't come together on this - Deutsche Bahn wants to build a new 200m skyscraper in Frankfurt - why don't they just take the office tower of the UEC?

or maybe Deutsche Bahn found another solution and the decide to build their tower on the site next door, which was demolished recently and also belongs to Vivico.

unfortunately, in the printed edition of the newspaper they say that the Tower 1 has been put on hold, and for Tower 2, there are some promising dialogues about. the obnly thing that seems to be absolutely sure is the entertainment complex/cinema/shopping center

Very nice renders, although the hotel tower is highly doubtful (maybe Hyatt?) and the 200m building is highly dependent on what the Deutsche Bahn wants to do.

It's good to hear that construction of the UEC that was previously written off will already begin next year. It could be the "kiss of death" for the already struggling Bockenheim neighborhood but it is, nonetheless, a shopping addition that can be used by the millions of Messe-visitors. Hopefully there will be shops that have presently not existed in Frankfurt (Virgin Megastore par exemple) and have an international flair.

The one thing that is missing imo is a musical theater. This should be built instead of another movie multiplex. Also, Frankfurt is really missing a big convention center, an aquarium and a planetarium. Investors unite!!!

T1 is postboned, unfortunatly, but I aggree with HD. In the current situation this could change within days.
On the other hand, nobody would have expected that the hotel tower is that close to be build.

As there is nothing to prepare and building permissions have been granted I wouldn't be surprised seeing the whole complex under construction by next year.

This is a very nice tower. I like those smooth rounded corners.

very nice compilation HD, thx.
I have no doubt that sooner or later also the office tower will be built.

The Hotel Tower has very good chances due its proximity to the fair area, which will give the possible hotel a nearly 100% capacity utilization.
I wonder with whom vivico is talking (Hyatt?)...

Here is another render of the area:

http://hometown.aol.de/Schlagerforum1/Rendering+UEC.jpg

patrick: the office tower has been put on hold until a tenant has been found. that means the tower could still be built with the rest of the project in one go - it is still some time till the construction starts and plenty of time to find an anchor tenant.

anyway, it's great to see, that this project is finally happening. the hotel market is booming like never before. and there are many international brands that want a new hotel in the city. but until we don't know who they're talking to about the hotel tower, we can only speculate. we can also only speculate about the urban entertainment center itself, until more information hasn't been published.

golden age: this project has nothing to do with deutsche bahn. deutsche bahn wants a separate 200m tower - but I think too it would be perfect, if deutsche bahn would drop their plans for their tower and go for the UEC instead.




btw. there are some nice renderings of the tower on the jean nouvel website ... unfortunately it's a flash-website ...

Wow, nice tower! Would be great if they build it. I never liked that the Messeturm stand alone and away form the cluster. But this one creates a connection. And the Hoteltower looks great too. Build it! :)

ok, so the situation is not as bad as it looks like in my post above ;);)

fine that they always increase the height from 180m to 195m to 210m to now 212m :D (as I am remembering right)

this project has nothing to do with deutsche bahn. deutsche bahn wants a separate 200m tower - but I think too it would be perfect, if deutsche bahn would drop their plans for their tower and go for the UEC instead.

It is not unlikely that the Bahn simply retreated from their plans to build a tower. Recently they have cut fundings and effectively killed spectacular new constructions of train stations in Dortmund, Stuttgart and Munich.

Looking through my harddrive i found another render of the hoteltower:

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/8021/tower2uecfb0.jpg

Very nice. And I was already afraid that they will build some parking lots there. Cant wait for 2008 and hopefully with tower1!

it's very good to have a well-organised archive on a hard-disk :okay:

I hope they won't change the current design of Tower 2 a lot, I like it how it is, esp. the colors!

If Deutsche Bahn defers from building an own tower, it could still make a lot of sense to consolidate their offices currently spreaded in many different locations all over the city into a place like Tower 1...

And agree with you, Patrick, I really like the design as in the render provided by newfvgffm.

geil,geil,geil......gestern der turm in berlin und jetzt das. wenn nächste woche noch der bau vom millenium tower angekündigt wird hauts mich total vom stangerl schätz ich :lol:

regarding deutsche bahn: I know from a pretty good source, that the company still wants to concentrate their countless city offices in one big building - the 200m tower project ist still on ...

@ newfvgffm

thanks for posting the rendering of the hotel tower and the latest rendering of the UEC.

now I understand, why vivico demolished the neighbouring site of the former deutsche bahn offices so quickly. according to frankfurter allgemeine zeitung the multiplex-cinema won't be part of the shopping centre complex, but will be built across the street on/near that recently demolished site.

I made a little drawing which explains all:

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/5074/euzb4.jpg

A: UEC office tower (212m)
B: UEC hotel tower (160-165m)
C: that's where the multiplex cinema is coming
D: the site of the future millennium tower (360-389m)
E: site of future turm185 project (185m, site has recently been cleared) - potential site of future 200m deutsche bahn tower ?
F: location of messeturm
G: location of the castor & pollux towers
H: location of recently completed mövenpick hotel
I: the future Europaviertel (boulevard already existing, first buildings starting in 2008)
J: future site of güterplatz-tower (165m) and the euro-park residential complex (u/c)

:banana: what do we call this? New art deco? Looks great. The design of the towers aint striking but they will improve Frankfurt.

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1858/y3ks5.jpg

@BMXican
isn't there another project missing on your drawing? i refer to the project "hochhaus am europagarten"
or is it more west so its not on your drawing?

it is more west and the western end of the boulevard. i think the europagarten-hochhaus has been replaced by 4 x 90m highrises in the current highrise-masterplan? and on the emserbrücke, in this drawing left of the boulevard, there are according to the masterplan 5 midrises from 50-90m planned.

btw, nice drawing you did!

I think the EUROPAVIERTEL project is the best project in Frankfurt.

patrick is partially right. there are four new midrises plannend for the europaviertel, but they're not on the site of the hochhaus am europagarten - they're to the left and to the right of the s-bahn tracks - I forgot to add them in my drawing. the proposed hochhaus am europagarten is indeed further to the west. my rendering only shows the eastern half of the europaviertel project.

there are four new midrises plannend for the europaviertel, but they're not on the site of the hochhaus am europagarten - they're to the left and to the right of the s-bahn tracks - I forgot to add them in my drawing. the proposed hochhaus am europagarten is indeed further to the west. my rendering only shows the eastern half of the europaviertel project.

I guess that you mean here the 5 midrises I mentioned in my edited reply (Hochhäuser an der Emserbrücke) ;)?

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3638643466383931.jpg
Scan from the print edition of Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung by CYstillFI

oh you're right. I didn't realize there were 9 towers planned there - I just thought there were 4 towers at emser brücke. so it looks like the hochhaus am europagarten was dropped in favour of 4 x 90m towers.

@ BMXican: good job, your drawing!

@ Patrick: Please mention the source (FAZ) explicitly. (this scan is residing on one my my webspaces, and I don't want to get into trouble :) thx!)

Regarding the Bahntower Tower185 could also be a real good alternative, as it would strengthen the Messecluster. As seen with this development, it was good that the city didn't concede the requirements of the investors side.


Edit: The visualization as seen in newfvgffm's post #9 seems to be outdated, as it is showing the old version of the UEC with extended retail area. So, hopefully, soon we will see some new stuff about this project...

An article in a local newspaper said that it might be that they build it without the office tower first, but Mr. Schwarz, the construction supervisor for Frankfurt, said that he is sure that they build it at once because the investors would be interested in doing so.

So its going to be a roulette :)




Here is another render of the construction dimensions showing the UEC, the 2 Towers and a part of the new Europaviertel (mainly residential)...more at www.vivico.de

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2080.jpg

So it's clear that the smaller tower will be built?

interesting article newfvgffm. I hope they don't go for the old 195m version though. I wonder when vivico will present new official info on the project.

i read in another forum that they will publish officially at that time when everything is clear and ready. No speculations anymore.

renders of Tower 2:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8784/tower22mi1.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3687/tower21lg2.jpg

floor plan of the apartement areas:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5572/tower2wohnenhj3.jpg

Floor Plan of the Hotel:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7347/tower2hotelxj9.jpg

Looks very nice in my opinion...

Love the design! Love the curves ;)

also i found a little corp. video from 2006 showing the hotel tower on a totally different location???

http://www.tocinfilm.de/corp.php?media=UEC.swf&id=2

I wouldn't take that video too serious, newfvgffm, as it is still playing with the musical theatre idea...

But the other renders are really interesting. Would be a great addition for Frankfurt when being built like this!

i am not taking it serious, it should not make that impression. with that project, meanwhile, everything is possible.

great find, newfvgffm. it's almost more interesting than the office tower by nouvel.

looks like the hotel will have serviced apartments too - four seasons has something like that - part of the building would be a hotel and the rest would be serviced apartments operated by the hotel chain

interesting article newfvgffm. I hope they don't go for the old 195m version though...

The building permission is for 195m, but I remember somehow, that this height limit is not related to the roof, it has to do with the highest floor. For sure it is not including necessary technical installations and floors. The following picture from the HD's first post of this thread shows quite good that huge studio like top floor area.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/364/uec1or9.jpg

This could easily be 15 and more meters. This explains the discrepancy between the different figures mentioned at various occasions.

according to a floor plan I got from nouvel the roof of the top office floor (52nd, including ground floor) is at 194.85m, which is probably the approved 195m. then there is one huge mechanical floor with an option for a second mechanical floor (making a total of 53 floors) - the roof of the building ends at 211.85m

there is also a roof garden at the 49th floor (183.90m).

wouldn't the roof garden fit as a public area? ;) in this case, frankfurt has not so much to offer (Main Tower and (?)Japan Center; TV Tower and Henninger are so closed)

love this project !!

What a huge surprise! I already almost gave up the faith in the advancement of this project … :) Excellent that it'll now be finally realized!

I think I'll be the first person that enters this complex the day it's finished! :drunk:

A (german) up-to-date article from the FAZ about the construction of UEC:

FrankfurterAllgemeineZeitung about the proposed UEC (http://www.faz.net/s/RubFAE83B7DDEFD4F2882ED5B3C15AC43E2/Doc~EB3350D573D844FA4B16CE30AA5968A2F~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html) :cheers:

And according to another article of the same newspaper where Mr. Schwarz, Frankfurt cities planning supervisor was interviewed, there is a real gold rush upcomming in Frankfurt regarding new scyscrapers. I think we have to expect quite some additional projects here...

freakin' good tower! :applause:

wouldn't the roof garden fit as a public area? ;) in this case, frankfurt has not so much to offer (Main Tower and (?)Japan Center; TV Tower and Henninger are so closed)


I have no idea if it's going to be a public garden.

btw. there are several public or semi-public spaces in the upper floors of skyscrapers in frankfurt. the main tower of course, but also japan tower, eurotheum, the inter-continental, marriott, the holiday inn, etc ... you don't have to be a quest to visit them ;) oh and I bet the new UEC hotel tower will also have something public on the top floors...

Beautifull tower!

which one ? ;)

Both! :D

An interesting Render of the future UEC with! the proposed Millenium Tower, which would be the new highlight for Frankfurt if Built.

From: http://www.buenck.fehse.com

http://www.hostpix.de/071228/leq3ZWsw.jpg

The Messeturm looks like toy next to the Millenium Tower... :lol:

almost everything in europe looks like a toy compared to the mt, even the federation towers :lol:

and this is just the 365m version - during the symbolic foundation stone ceremony there were figures between 385 and 389m in the news

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?28335941



anyway ... nice rendering. I had no idea the hotel tower will be so close to the proposed tower at guterplatz (the green space to the right of the smaller tower).

Great finding :okay:

Comparing it with Tower 1 there are two possibilities, either this the old Tower 1 version with 180 meters or MT is here more like 400 meters. But never mind, main thing is that we will see it being built asap.

great render, the millenium tower would fit the skyline very good i think :)

^^ it will dwarf everything

^
Yes, the rest of the skyline would look like a midrise cluster. I rather have a two 200-250m towers than one 370m tower.

Depends. If they change the design of the MT into something worth of a landmark building, reduce the width and so on it could be a fantastic addition to the skyline.

if the MT will be built ... a dream <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

That entrance looks great. Nice project :okay:

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1858/y3ks5.jpg

the Millenium Tower would be awesome.
Does somebody know when a decision is going to be made if the tower will be built?

I'd guess after UEC I will be built, because this one has priority. So IMO they won't debate that tower until UEC I will stand.

the Millenium Tower would be awesome.
Does somebody know when a decision is going to be made if the tower will be built?

it would have been built for sure, but got cancelled because of 9/11 ...
the project is neither dead nor alive. :ohno:

cancelled because of 9/11?????
For what reason?

uh ... it was not cancelled because of 9/11. there were potential investors after 9/11 too...

there is simply no anchor tenant for this huge building. that's all. apart from that the site owner has other priorities - like the UEC. I don't think anything will happen with the MT before all the other projects in the vicinity are completed.

Der Bau des Millennium Tower sollte bereits 2002 im Europaviertel, Güterplatz 3-7, beginnen, wurde aber durch die Ungewissheit nach den Terroranschlägen am 11.September 2001 in den USA bis auf unbestimmte Zeit verschoben. Obwohl die Planungen große Fortschritte gemacht haben, ist die Verwirklichung zurzeit sehr ungewiss bzw. eher unwahrscheinlich. Vor einigen Jahren gab es Gerüchte, dass der New Yorker Immobilien-Tycoon Donald Trump Interesse an dem Projekt habe, konkret wurde dies aber nicht.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_%28Frankfurt%29

wikipedia is not a good source. everybody can write something there.

it's not an official source.

wikipedia is not a good source. everybody can write something there.

it's not an official source.

true

The MT would be a dream!

But for the moment I would just be happy when they actually start with the whole UEC complex including the two towers next year. Even if I'm confident I don't like the question marks actually remaining on this.

I’ve been wondering about this project for quite some time. Glad to see it’s possibly underway soon.

Does anyone know anything about the mysterious Shopping Mall? This is quite a significant development as it may turn out to be the first modern suburban shopping mall in Frankfurt. The new one in the city will be the first modern one, but in the suburbs Frankfurt doesn’t have any yet, only two small older malls. Hessen Center, which is so old fashioned and small it really doesn’t count, and the better, but still unimpressive NordWest Centrum. Recently renovated to make it okish, but I am really interested in what this will turn out like.

the nordwestzentrum is the biggest shopping mall in germany (retail square meters) ... I would hardly call it small.

[incidentaly I had a visit of two women from melbourne before last christmas, and they loved the nordwestzentrum - admitingly it was more beautiful with all the christmas deco than usual, but they said they have nothing like it in australia and that the fashion (especially shoes) is so much better here (well in europe in general) than anything you can find in australia (where - according to them - everybody dresses rather "tasteless") - they payed 1600 € for excess baggage because they bought so much stuff there]

anyway, it is not the intention of the developer to create yet another suburban mall (which frankly frankfurt doesn't need - who wants to have another main taunus zentrum ... urgh) but to extend the city center to the messe area and create a focal point of the new center. construction is starting next spring, finally.

and together with the recently announced FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) and al the other projects this has good chances of becoming a worthy downtown extension.

and if this wasn't enough another new tower for the area was announced to today: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14922559&postcount=31

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9320/xxcss0.jpg

the nordwestzentrum is the biggest shopping mall in germany (retail square meters) ... I would hardly call it small.

[incidentaly I had a visit of two women from melbourne before last christmas, and they loved the nordwestzentrum - admitingly it was more beautiful with all the christmas deco than usual, but they said they have nothing like it in australia and that the fashion (especially shoes) is so much better here (well in europe in general) than anything you can find in australia (where - according to them - everybody dresses rather "tasteless") - they payed 1600 € for excess baggage because they bought so much stuff there]


I hardly believe it is the biggest in Germany, and if it is, then it is still tiny. And please don't compare against Melbourne from what this woman says. Chadstone Mall in Melbourne (one of the many large malls) has nearly 400 stores compared to the 150 in Nordwestzentrum and 138,000m² compared to the 90,000m" of Frankfurt's. Chadstone isn't even the biggest in Melbourne with 142,000m² and 350 stores and Fountain Gate with over 138,000m" (increasing to 150,000m" next year). Trust me, Nordwestzentrum is not that big ;O)

But I will not doubt her taste in clothing and shoes. I also prefer European style, so I think she may know a little bit more about fashion than maybe construction and architecture.


anyway, it is not the intention of the developer to create yet another suburban mall (which frankly frankfurt doesn't need - who wants to have another main taunus zentrum ... urgh) but to extend the city center to the messe area and create a focal point of the new center. construction is starting next spring, finally.

and together with the recently announced FRANKFURT | PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower | 185m | Pro (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636) and al the other projects this has good chances of becoming a worthy downtown extension.

and if this wasn't enough another new tower for the area was announced to today: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14922559&postcount=31


I agree with you that it is very close to the city, but I'd refer to it as inner suburbs rather than an extension of the city center. It is still too far out. Maybe with the new skyscrapers complete it could be, but still...

And yes, this project does excite me. The skyscrapers will be something I can look at and enjoy, but the shopping will really add a new feature to the city and be somewhere I can experience and visit.

I hope the architecture is as interesting as the new mall on the Zeil, and yes, I do hope it's larger than the small Nordwestzentrum ;O) At least as large as the Melbourne Malls I mentioned.

Frankfurt is booming very hard for real :carrot:

Very nice project and the design of the tower is also great.

A Frankfurt newspaper (http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/list.php?page=fnp2_news_article&id=4276877) reports that a main tenant for the hotel tower has been found. Contract will be signed on Monday. Construction start will still be within 2008, so this year.

good news :cheers:
2008 is going to be a great year for frankfurt!!

2008 will be a very good year for Frankfurt. Lots of new towers.

somehow i'm not happy. it's like you drive a Porsche with 100HP. i want breathtaking projects.

go to dubai then.

i am happy for every project we can get :okay:

right patrick, i'm also happy with ervery highrise project that becomes reality.

A Frankfurt newspaper (http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/list.php?page=fnp2_news_article&id=4276877) reports that a main tenant for the hotel tower has been found. Contract will be signed on Monday. Construction start will still be within 2008, so this year.

2008 is going to be great

great building

Today's press release from Vivico Real Estate:

Vivico and Hyatt conclude agreement for Europaviertel


Frankfurt, 28 January 2008 Vivico and Hyatt International today signed a management agreement for a Grand Hyatt Hotel in the 5 star-plus category. The hotel will take the form of a tower around 150 metres high on the Osloer Strasse in Frankfurt's Europaviertel.

Bernhard H. Hansen, Chief Executive Officer of Vivico, emphasized the following points on signing the agreement: "Vivico is proud of acquiring the highly renowned global operator Hyatt for the prestigious location of Frankfurt and the Europaviertel." Hansen believes Hyatt's investment underscores the quality of the regenerating district and highlights the significance of the Europaviertel for Frankfurt.

"We are delighted that our new hotel will secure a foothold for us in the important banking and conference centre of Frankfurt", said Gebhard Rainer, Managing Director Hyatt International Europe, Africa, Middle East. "Our innovative and modern product which meets the highest international standards is eminently suited to Frankfurt. The Grand Hyatt Frankfurt will form the ideal complement to our existing range of successful hotels in Cologne, Hamburg, Berlin, Mainz, as well as the one due for completion in Düsseldorf in 2010, and will strengthen our position in the German market." To date, the Hyatt Group has only had one premium-brand "Grand Hyatt" hotel in Germany, notably in Berlin.

The conclusion of the agreement was initiated by Viador, a joint venture between the Feuring Group and Vivico, established as recently as 2007. Viador will continue to supervise the project and operations. Vivico will be in charge of constructing the hotel until it is ready for handover in turnkey condition. The next step will be the architectural design; the building application is to be submitted before the end of 2008. The hotel tower is scheduled for completion in 2011/2012.

The tower will cover a gross floor area of approx. 54,300 square metres. Facilities including around 405 rooms, restaurants, bars and a fitness and wellness area put the hotel firmly in the premium category. There are also plans to build a publicly accessible visitor centre offering views of Frankfurt's skyline.


There we go - once again! :banana::banana::banana:

Nice to get a new Grand Hyatt in Frankfurt. :cheers:

:cheers:

here are some (old) renderings of the hyatt hotel uec2 tower...dont know if posted here yet.. hope the design won`t get changed...

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6058/71t25grossxk6.jpg

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/5813/41t24grosskl5.jpg

i also made a quick&dirty map, showing all proposals of this area

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1759/europaviertelsj2.jpg

The ABB design from 2000 was already shown on the second page of this thread, but it couldn't harm. Hopefully they will not change it too much.

Nice visualization, really not bad for q&d. From that angle PwC and MattheusChurch towers would be appear much higher. PwC would alomost cover Tower 1. :okay:

Just good, that they canceled the Grand Hyatt project in the city centre. It wouldn't have been a scyscraper! Hopefully the mentioned visitors centre will be on the top. At least the last sentence of the release implies that.

Yep, it does. Let's see!

Another real good news out of that release is, that this project will not change the office market which is still scarce of high quality office space in skyscrapers. And last not least, this can only mean that the rest of UEC is also built.

As this project will be hand over to Hyatt at completion, it is probably worth to put it in a separate thread.

another step taken, i hope it ain't so much more steps till we see the rise of the Millennium Tower! :)

Really good news, but the best is it will have an publik observasion deck, must be a great view over to the banking district !!!

Excellent news.

any idea how tall it is going to be? I heard 150, 160 and 165m so far ...

notthing special ^^

article from Skyscrapernews:

Frankfurt Approves 212m Tall Jean Nouvel Tower
Published on 2008-01-29 by Skyscrapernews.com


After several years of arguments, approval has finally been given to a new project for Frankfurt.

Named the Urban Entertainment Centre or to save time, words and delay the onset of carpel tunnel syndrome, UEC, it will comprise of two towers and several smaller residential buildings.

The towers designed by French architect Jean Nouvel will stand at 212 metres and 160 metres the tallest allocated to office space and the second housing a hotel. This will be a Grand Hyatt hotel and offer patrons five star luxury along with 450 rooms, fitness and well being centre as well as restaurants and bars. A visitors centre open to the public is also under consideration to allow the average Joe to enjoy the spectacular views from the top of the tower.

The towers will stand amongst smaller buildings that will provide accommodation, entertainment and shopping facilities for the site. Located next door to the famous post-modern Messe Turm, it will be the centrepiece of the inner-city redevelopment project called Europaviertel ( European Quarter) which will replace old cargo rail terminals and tracks.

The towers are quite simple in design, seemingly slim looking from the front they taper outwards at the back creating a sort of rounded off slim triangle. Both sport the ever popular sleek glass facades which are clearly not modelled on Germany's most popular and hairy superstar David Hasselhoff but rather on Nouvel's love of glass.

The facades will allow passers-by to have a snoop at what is going on in the building whilst giving workers of the office tower and patrons of the hotel lovely views of the surrounding city.

Developers Vivico hope to begin construction in spring of this year, although the office tower may not start until a main tenant can be hooked and landed.


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=1335

wow!some really great news for frankfurt..lets hope the ofice tower will be built too,but it looks good for frankfurt definetily:cheers:

@ derUlukai

Great visualization, thanks for that. I would, however, add the text for the "Urban Entertainment Center (UEC)" to the picture as the developer Vivico has confirmed that the Grand Hyatt tower and the shopping center will be built simultaneously.

The UEC was most likely employed as a major incentive to get Grand Hyatt to build its tower. Also, PriceWaterHouseCoopers may have waited for the positive news on the UEC in order to sign on to their new neighboring tower.

I'm very much looking forward to the official renders. I'm sure the Grand Hyatt will get a renowned architect/memorable architecture while PWC is likely to prefer a stone clad building instead of the standard (bland) glass facade.

All in all, this is great news given the fact that the global economy is showing signs of a "soft landing" (only 10 days ago the construction of the new Kaiserkaree tower was confirmed, as well). This shows that investors have confidence in Frankfurt's staying power and financial prowess in spite of challenging times.

wow!some really great news for frankfurt..lets hope the ofice tower will be built too,but it looks good for frankfurt definetily:cheers:

frankfurt definitely needs a new 200m + tower

Id rather see many midrises to fill the gaps between the existing towers.

according to hyatt the tower will be 165m tall

http://www.hyattpressroom.com/DisplayPR.asp?compID=2842226&ar=

@ derUlukai

Great visualization, thanks for that. I would, however, add the text for the "Urban Entertainment Center (UEC)" to the picture as the developer Vivico has confirmed that the Grand Hyatt tower and the shopping center will be built simultaneously.

The UEC was most likely employed as a major incentive to get Grand Hyatt to build its tower. Also, PriceWaterHouseCoopers may have waited for the positive news on the UEC in order to sign on to their new neighboring tower.

I'm very much looking forward to the official renders. I'm sure the Grand Hyatt will get a renowned architect/memorable architecture while PWC is likely to prefer a stone clad building instead of the standard (bland) glass facade.

All in all, this is great news given the fact that the global economy is showing signs of a "soft landing" (only 10 days ago the construction of the new Kaiserkaree tower was confirmed, as well). This shows that investors have confidence in Frankfurt's staying power and financial prowess in spite of challenging times.

I am very much looking forward to this development as well. I hope the UEC will be suitably impressive for this site.

good news guys

Heute wurde auf der MIPIM in Cannes der Durchbruch geschafft: Frankfurts Oberbürgermeisterin Petra Roth, Baudezernent Edwin Schwarz, Vivico-Geschäftsführer Gerhard Hansen, ECE-Chef Alexander Otto sowie der Geschäftsführer der Frankfurter Messe Michael v. Zitzewitz haben am Frankfurt-Stand den endgültigen Start für das UEC-Projekt verkündet. Statt des ursprünglich geplanten Kinokomplexes wird es nun neben dem Shopping Center ein Kongreßzentrum geben. Betreiber des Kongreßzentrums wird die Messe Frankfurt GmbH. ECE-Chef Alexander Otto präsentierte erstmals den neuen Namen für das Großprojekt: "Skyline Plaza".

"Noch im Herbst dieses Jahres soll der Baustart für die neue Attraktion in der Frankfurter City erfolgen", so Oberbürgermeisterin Petra Roth. "In unseren Köpfen ist der Grundstein schon gelegt", bekräftigte Stadtrat Schwarz; der bereits vor Monaten von den Projektpartnern eingereichte Bauvorbescheidsantrag werde nun umgehend positiv beschieden. Schwarz gab ein klares "Ja!" zu den Plänen des Architekten Jordan.

Das als "Urban Entertainment Center" gestartete Projekt hat eine lange und bewegte Geschichte hinter sich. Vivico und ECE wollen ein einzigartiges Kongress- und Erlebniszentrum errichten. "Es wird Einrichtungen für Wellness und Freizeit geben, einen Dachgarten mit Amphitheater sowie Außengastronomie", so Gerd Seitz vom ECE-Beirat. Das Investitionsvolumen beträgt rund 330 Millionen Euro. Teil des Plans ist auch der Bau eines Grand Hyatt Hotels - neben Berlin das zweite und größte in Deutschland.

Die nun gefundene Lösung wurde in den vergangenen Wochen gemeinsam mit der Frankfurter Messegesellschaft entwickelt. Die Verbindung von Einkaufszentrum, Hotel und Kongresszentrum verspricht erhebliche Synergieeffekte, von denen alle Nutzungen profitieren.

Quelle: Presse- und Informationsamt Stadt Frankfurt am Main


so the new name is "skyline plaza"

In short form and in english:
UEC will be built.
They start in autumn 2008.

Jubilee post - UEC will be built!
And they start in autumn 2008!

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In short form and in english:
UEC will be built.
They start in autumn 2008.

i didn't read that the office tower will be built. terrible pussy frankfurt, acting like it's ruled by commies.

Calm down. This means much more than it sounds like. The UEC was the last show stopper for the Grand Haytt tower and the PwC tower. Now with this being built those two towers are absolutly save now. Also, I cannot imagine that the office towwer will be built after all of before mentioned is finished. It does not make sense in many aspects. You will see. :):)

Btw., before I forget: :cheer::banana::pepper::cucumber::banana2::cheer:

exactly. with the skyline plaza frankfurt will get the office tower for pricewaterhouse coopers and the hyatt tower. thats already two skyscrapers. the uec office tower will follow when they find an anchor tenant. the way things go right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they find the anchor tenant before construction starts...so right now we get 2 skyscrapers, instead of 3 ... big deal ..

hope the MT will follow also :D

Skyline plaza implies the ambitions connected with this project. Now with this being started I am really confident to see the rest being realized in reasonable period of time (included MT). :okay:

HD, the deal is even better. 2 of 4 scyscrapers being started instead of nothing... :D

Even if this development of things had to be expected, these are still fantastic news!

4? do you count the millennium tower too?

I do, the distance from Skyline Plaza to PwC tower (Tower 185) is bigger than to Millenium Tower, though we are talking about a few meters. Both are officially and physically not part of this project. Both are cut by a street in between. Though the parking for the PwC tower will be placed within the Skyline Plaza. As you see it is hard to say were the borders are, especially when all of it is developed and built by the same company and on their ground.

I didn't think of MT because I doubt anything will happen there before skyline plaza and T185 are built, but yes - we should count it in. MT is the next step ...

FRANKFURT: URBAN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER (UEC)

Facts:

· Shopping and entertainment center
· One office tower with 212m (52 floors) by Jean Nouvel
· One hotel tower with 160m (40 floors)
· Several residential buildings
· Located next to the world famous MesseTurm
· Centerpiece of a new innercity redevelopment project called

Great that this may start to go ahead this year. But please, why the "world famous" statement above? The MesseTurm is not in the slightest account world famous. I doubt you could find a single person walking down the street in any country outside of Germany that has heard of it.

fine, Ill change that to Located next to the - for skyscraper enthusiasts - world famous MesseTurm

happy? :|

(btw. - MesseTurm IS world famous when it comes to skyscrapers. it is probably the most famous skyscraper in europe ... gee - how much time do you need to have to make comments like that)

great news!lets hope this is just the start and that T185,MT and possibly the Matthäus tower will follow soon!

fine, Ill change that to Located next to the - for skyscraper enthusiasts - world famous MesseTurm

happy? :|

(btw. - MesseTurm IS world famous when it comes to skyscrapers. it is probably the most famous skyscraper in europe ... gee - how much time do you need to have to make comments like that)

I'm sorry if that post bothered you, but when I find something obviously wrong, I comment on it. And this had no basis with truth.

That said, This is a great thread and thanks for starting it :cheers:

i want renders of the T185, i bet they suck.

The project has now been renamed to Skyline Plaza and the cinema complex and office tower will not be a part of this revised concept. The height of the hotel tower will now be 135 metre instead of 160 metres.

135m??? do you have a source?

I found that out on Emporis.

Emporis still says: 150m

http://www.emporis.com/ge/wm/bu/?id=urbanentertainmentcenter2-frankfurt-germany

but emporis is NOT an official source, we have had heights from 150m to more than 165m.

so lets see what comes out finally, its sure that it will be at least 150m.

The project has now been renamed to Skyline Plaza and the cinema complex and office tower will not be a part of this revised concept. The height of the hotel tower will now be 135 metre instead of 160 metres.

The name change info has already been posted before. ;)
Plus I agree with the others. Doubt the height will be reduced.


Anyways, absolutely splendid news for Frankfurt!

I found that out on Emporis.

don't believe emporis ^^

Did we already have these interior renders of the offices?

Just found them on the Vivico homepage (http://www.vivico.de/deutsch/Immobilien/Objekte/Europaviertel/Skyline_Plaza/Fotos_und_Plaene/index.php#).

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6718/img258eq8.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1212/img244uq8.jpg


Anyway, this project is called "Skyline Plaza" now. Some mod should change the title (I can't do so) ;)

Did we already have those renders around?
They seem pretty old, but post-worthy nonetheless.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8827/ffmtowerez8.jpg

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4496/20080314wygodaueceinganft9.jpg
Source: Vivico

^^ What's this exactly and is it just proposed or actually under construction soon?

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4496/20080314wygodaueceinganft9.jpg

it`s approved and will (hopefully) be under construction soon :banana:

^ Thanks. Are there any renderings of the Shopping Mall?

only the old ones already posted in this thread.. i think they currently redesign the mall and add the conference center to it, but i guess they will publish some new renderings before construction starts.

any news about the tower?
i thought construction should start early 2009 !?

yeh, it will start early 2009...but at the moment we've the end of 2008 ^^

yes, they'll start will the smaller tower first after the "frost period". we still don't know if it will be 150m, 160m or 165m high, also the final design is still unpublished (if already decided).

veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery beautiful! OMG :O

Can't wait to see the big one go up, and I've loved it since the first time I saw it.

Let's hope we'll see some construction soon. :)

yeh, it will start early 2009...but at the moment we've the end of 2008 ^^
Hmm.... sorry , i haven't noticed that, i thought it was early 2009!
But thank you , you made it plain to me that it currently is the end of 2008! :nuts: :P lool ^^

anyways... so they will start with the hotel first?
hope we will see construction process soon !

By the way... i might move to Frankfurt next month. Is Frankfurt an exciting City or is it boring? Is there a great amount of public facilities?
I need some info. !

best regards

i wouldn`t call it boring, but you just cannot compare it to other cities with such skylines. its only about 700k citizens small, but since its center of rhein-main metropolitan region it has a lot of public-facilities, like famous museums, opera, theatre, zoo, and an expensive nightlife with some famous clubs (cocoon, kingkamehameha) and of course eintracht frankfurt (more or less famous bundesliga club)

how is frankfurt compared to munich ?
because ive visited munich bevor and i really like the city.

Great skyline, looks crisp, clean and deliberate, must go there sometime....

how is frankfurt compared to munich ?
because ive visited munich bevor and i really like the city.

Frankfurt is very different, Munich still has most of its old city left and has a certain southern german aura. its also a lot more posh of a city and has a distinctive bavarian charm to it.
Frankfurt on the other hand is the financial capital of germany. much more modern and americanized

how is frankfurt compared to munich ?
because ive visited munich bevor and i really like the city.

Munich is a lot more conservative than Frankfurt for a start. It has much more history in it's central city, which also has more facilities. Frankfurt itself is rather dull actually. It's a pleasant enough place, but being a banking/business city more than anything else, the best way to describe it is "functional". There is nothing grand in Frankfurt. No real landmarks (of international value) and very very few tourist attractions - at least for an international tourists. About the only thing worth visiting here if travelling from another country is the Main Tower to give a view over the city.

Architecturally, besides the skyscrapers which do look impressive on a local or European scale, though nothing special internationally, the city is quite bland. Most central city architecture is cheap post war constructions, though it does improve in the surrounding neighbourhoods and suburbs, and in the metro area.

To live though it is pleasant enough. Only a couple of small rough area's, and a fair amount to do in the wider metropolitan area. But it is never a city I would recommend anyone to visit. When friends come to visit me from overseas, it takes about a half day for them to see the main sights and they are never impressed.

Munich, although it is a city I could never live in due to it's rather conservative nature, does have a bit more of interest for tourists. Though my favourite German cities are Hamburg and Berlin which I recommend to anyone.

Please stop ze entbehrliche city comparison. Thanks.


Anything new regarding the UEC? Didn't somebody promise we'll have new renderings by the end of 2008?

Well? :dunno:


(What about the renders a.s.o.?)

There's nothing happening at the site. I hope they start soon. still no renders?

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7637/p1060389.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8340/p1060387.jpg

^^ I didn't realize that the Frankfurt downtown area was so spread out in terms of skyscrapers.

this isn´t actually the downtown area. you can see bits of downtown in the distance. this area is near the trade fair grounds and with a couple of skyscrapers under construction and planned there this area will become the second major skyscraper cluster after the banking district.

nice-lookin' tower....

There's nothing happening at the site. I hope they start soon. still no renders?

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7637/p1060389.jpg

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8340/p1060387.jpg

the building on the left reminds me of the "Torre Mayor" in Mexico City...

Updated masterplan for the area (Skyline Plaza, Tower 365, T185, Europaviertel):

By Vivico

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/588/080918masterplanmitmdov.jpg

And finally ..drumroll.. Renderings of the Grand Hyatt Hotel Tower! :cheers1:

Grand Hyatt Tower 110m


New Renders:cheers:

UN Studio (Amsterdam)

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6435/090518tower2grandhyattu.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6435/090518tower2grandhyattu.jpg

Kohn, Pedersen, Fox (New York)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5120/090518grandhyattkohnped.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5120/090518grandhyattkohnped.jpg
Alle Bilder: Vivico Real Estate
www.vivico.de



Thread of the Hotel Tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=36918786)

First real rendering of the Skyline Plaza shopping center.
There will be some redesign though, according to Vivico.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7866/sk1jpgy.jpg
Source: Vivico

Aerial of skyline plaza with T185 tower and Grand Hyatt hotel
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3973/vicco.jpg
Vivico

Hanging out for the interior views. I really hope this will be unique inside and not just another run of the mill mall.

The render above is making me sweat heavily:

_does it mean that the 212m tower is canceled?
_does it mean that the Millennium Tower is canceled?

WFT?!

No, they're just going to be built later.

Hum... Really doesn't look like there will be much space left for either tower but if you say so.

^^ Sure hope they're gonna stick to the design of the tower. It's one of my favorite projects in Europe. :)

Hum... Really doesn't look like there will be much space left for either tower but if you say so.

T365 is going behind the skyline plaza and the grand hyatt congress center (some buildings need to be demolished first).

the skyline plaza won't cover the entire site - space for T1 will be left (you can see it in other skyline plaza renderings, I post one, when I find it again).

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4346/32699040.jpg (http://img641.imageshack.us/i/32699040.jpg/)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2995/0810europaviertelmontag.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/0810europaviertelmontag.jpg/)



here you can see a model photographed by beggi from the german forum. you can see there is plenty of room for both: T1 and T365:

http://www.abload.de/img/a1030583rtzg.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/a1030581ch2h.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/a1030582bits.jpg

The Skyline Plaza looks too conventional compared to the other new Frankfurt shopping mall, MyZeil. In fact, I strongly hope that it will not be built the way it is shown. Without a differentiating factor (theater, swimming, movies, aquarium, museum), this mall will fail to attract needed customers. Overall, pretty disappointing!

^^ Very good point. Actually though, I find the exterior to be very elegant and even nicer than the exterior of MyZeil. (And I like the exterior of MyZeil).

The key will be inside, and as you say, if it is bland and conventional it would be a great disappointment. This area is so close to downtown that if it is not something special, this mall will be doomed to fail.

Too bad they are cutting off the pedestrian way to the city after rebuilding the Europaallee... Everybody who wants to go from his new flat out there to the Westend will end up shopping in the mall.
Doesn't we have Democracy ? We need an open and public walkway for everybody from Europaalee to Castor & Pollux to the Westend, otherwise people will be forced to enter a mall and that should be impossible in a society like ours.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/shake.gif

the way around the skyline plaza is not that long, if you don't want to use the mall.


there is a new website for this development. not many infos yet, but some interesting plans of the mall - including first plans of the spectacular public roof.

http://www.skylineplaza.de/

We need an open and public walkway for everybody from Europaalee to Castor & Pollux to the Westend, otherwise people will be forced to enter a mall and that should be impossible in a society like ours.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/shake.gif

i don`t see the problem here.. as i heard, the direct walkway through the mall will be open 24hours a day, and they cant force you to buy something there everytime you walk through... additionally you won`t get wet while walking there when it rains.. so whats the problem?

I don't see the problem either. And who has a fundamental problem with this kind of semipublic space can always walk around the mall. Its not like people have a right to walk directly through a building.

http://www.gib-bussi.de/gfx/start.jpg

I think the floor plan and the entrance looks like a mouth that might give you a kiss - like the image on the gib bussi drinks ! But I think you will get as much bussi in the skyline Plaza as you get, when you drink the bussi drink : --- NO BUSSI ! --- It is just a lie to make the people go there shopping.

I think it's great to have the mall as a means of passage. As said above, people can easily walk around if they prefer, but why not something different. One thing I always missed in Frankfurt was the lack of arcades that other cities have. Year, we have a couple, but not many and nothing special architecturally. I always loved walking through arcades regardless of shopping or not. It was just a nice change in scenery and has many advantages during extreme weather.

the way around the skyline plaza is not that long, if you don't want to use the mall.


there is a new website for this development. not many infos yet, but some interesting plans of the mall - including first plans of the spectacular public roof.

http://www.skylineplaza.de/

Thanks for the link. As you say, a pity that details are limited and no large rendering of the interior. But from what I do see I think this is going to be a great addition to Frankfurt.

One question though. What are those U-bahn stations shown on the right hand plan? There seems to be two that don't exist. I haven't heard of such plans.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.skylineplaza.de/lage/stadt_in_stadt.html&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&usg=ALkJrhg4pjy9iSiiN1WWJfOZIAa8t1DRTQ

So, when would constructions for the mall start?

good news, the construction of the mall will start this summer! :banana:

here's an german article which confirms it:

http://www.immobilien-zeitung.de/1000002697/bau-des-frankfurter-skyline-plaza-beginnt-im-sommer


quick translation with Google translator:


The building permit for the shopping and entertainment center Skyline Plaza in central Frankfurt is received on Tuesday at the Frankfurt yesterday landowners Vivico Real Estate. In summer, it is the construction going on-ge-Hen. Vivico and project developer and operator of ECE, Hamburg, for a project in a joint venture.
The plans can go: the Frankfurt supervision has given the green light for the digging of the excavation of the planned shopping center Skyline Plaza. More important is for Vivico claims to process safety, however, connected with the building permit. Meaning: The project is approved. To complete building permit, according to a spokesman Vivico still have a few outstanding issues as building inspectorate or fire protection issues are resolved. However, one thing is certain: "Construction work is in the summer."


Today the building site of the Skyline Plaza will be used as temporary parking. Image: api
Then a five-story shopping center with 38,000 square meters created retail space and about 170 stores. It offers 8,000 square restaurant space and a 7,000 square meter roof garden. In the third and fourth floors of 9,000 square meters is a fitness and wellness center of MeridianSpa, Hamburg, operated.

The building application for the convention center, which is another part of the Skyline Plaza complex, is the end of December last year was filed. "The test is," said the spokesman Vivico. Open is also the one that will operate the center. Run it "productive discussions with the Frankfurt fair society". The convention center will be completed along with the Skyline Plaza in autumn 2013.

When the opening of the 110-meter high tower Grand Hyatt Hotel, the third part of the Skyline Plaza project can be celebrated, Vivico will not want to reveal. Initially, the company would focus on plans for the shopping center.

great building

good news but I hope that they will start to build the 110m Grand Hyatt hotel tower as fast as possible too! :)

Great news and yes it would be perfect if the Grand Hyatt came up soon

looks like they are first completing the mall,then the tower will rise,it's a pity,but better than never :)

I am more excited about the the mall anyway. The tower comes as a bonus.

the whole complex (mall + tower) kicks ass ♥

now imagine Office Tower One and Millenium Tower into the scene = orgasm ............

anyone have any news on this? i hope they start it. Let's go to the mall today :p

There indeed are news. The groundbreaking ceremony for the complex will take place tomorrow (1st of June 2011) at 12 PM!

German source: http://www.property-magazine.de/baustart-fuer-einkaufs-und-freizeitzentrum-skyline-plaza-35450.html

nice very nice good for frankfurt.

News about funding?

news?

there is a developer with funding secured.


about the grand hyatt: the completion of the hotel will be coordinated with the completion of the shopping center ...

time to change the title.

Great. But change the title into what?

Since this project clearly is under construction now, I moved the Skyline Plaza thread to the skyscraper forum.

And besides, I updated the initial post of the thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=13470668#post13470668) to show recent renderings etc. :cool:

Photos of the hole in the ground?

Amazing building

Since this project clearly is under construction now, I moved the Skyline Plaza thread to the skyscraper forum.

And besides, I updated the initial post of the thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=13470668#post13470668) to show recent renderings etc. :cool:

it would be nice to have some update pics. :)

there isn't much to see, really. a giant hole, a handful of diggers, some piling.

the grand hyatt will have 30 floors btw. the height is 113.3m ...

From the tower 185 thread:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8526/25343126.jpg

update von gestern:

Straßenumbau

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8523/64335039.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9942/68837718.jpg

Baustelle

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/932/70135464.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4602/34688487.jpg

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8371/34973640.jpg

Einige Spundwände sind schon eingertrieben worden

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/236/84447042.jpg

Bereits Pfahlbohrungen?

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6182/91311201.jpg

from german thread, pics from monday

Fantastic, thank you for all the updates man :okay:


Finally something's going on at the site. It was about time this desert at the trade fair fades away.

I still would have preferred if they had put the retailers inside the ground floors along Europa-Boulevard.
Then the Skyline Plaza site could have been used for an event hall or something and urbanity of the whole quarter would have increased by far.
Malls actually should be a thing of the past. But we'll see how the whole area develops.

I still would have preferred if they had put the retailers inside the ground floors along Europa-Boulevard.
Then the Skyline Plaza site could have been used for an event hall or something and urbanity of the whole quarter would have increased by far.
Malls actually should be a thing of the past. But we'll see how the whole area develops.

I 100% agree with you.

And thanks for the photo update the man from k-town

The tower isn't U/C. Why is this in the U/C section of the skyscraper forum (200m+)?

Because the main complex is under construction. We won't separate this into several threads.

Fair enough, should have thought of that myself.

Manchmal sollte ich erstmal nachdenken, bevor ich die Klappe aufreisse. :)

standing in an automobile fair under the messeturm made me love skyscrapers even more some years ago. nice to remember that :)

It's good to see the former "Urban Entertainment Centre" becoming reality after a redesign and the dead site disappear. Even if there'll be "only" an indoors mall plus the hotel tower, smaller than originally planned. :)

But where's the 212m tower? On the new panorama renderings, there's only the mall near Castor/Pollux. Would be so much greater if the skyscraper got built, too... especially with the elegant glass design by Jean Nouvel. If there'll be no tall tower, the "silly" question of lianli makes sense in this context: why is this thread under "skyscrapers" and not "highrises"?

no updates for two months?? time to change that...:lol: (pictures by me, please excuse the quality...)

October 10, 2011

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/cimg117597knlmh5af.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/cimg1177dujtvl6a41.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/cimg1179ok92yvp8ef.jpg (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

Thank you :)

When can we expect concrete rising from the ground there?

But where's the 212m tower? On the new panorama renderings, there's only the mall near Castor/Pollux. Would be so much greater if the skyscraper got built, too... especially with the elegant glass design by Jean Nouvel. If there'll be no tall tower, the "silly" question of lianli makes sense in this context: why is this thread under "skyscrapers" and not "highrises"?

the 212m office tower will get built. the responsible company is still on a tenant search and market the tower. :)


standing in an automobile fair under the messeturm made me love skyscrapers even more some years ago. nice to remember that :)

my love for skyscrapers began there too ... :drool:

Thank you :)

When can we expect concrete rising from the ground there?

from what i saw, they still have to excavate a lot of dirt first :D i expect to see some concrete pouring in early 2012, but that's just my guess...

Hm I thought the 212m tower is U/C?

Some webcam photos from today:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5816/59630714.152/0_6c48b_15679e9c_XXXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/443531/)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5310/59630714.152/0_6c48d_410170f6_XXXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/443533/)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4711/59630714.152/0_6c4ab_47aed365_XXXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/443563/)

Source: http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/fileadmin/webcams/51/current.jpg

Start of Liebherr tower cranes erection.
Screens from webcam http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/fileadmin/webcams/51/current.jpg :

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4416/59630714.152/0_6ca71_ac94a1e4_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/445041/)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4613/59630714.152/0_6ca72_f9a137e_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/445042/)

Large mobile crane LTM1500 arrived to construction site.
Also there is assistant of above large crane - mobile Demag AC120-1. Probably today they will start of the second tower crane erection.
Some screens from webcam http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/fileadmin/webcams/51/current.jpg :

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4710/59630714.154/0_6d738_64fc4911_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448312/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448312/

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5816/59630714.154/0_6d750_adcaf4aa_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448336/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448336/

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5816/59630714.154/0_6d750_adcaf4aa_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448336/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448336/


http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4416/59630714.154/0_6d7ab_3cd95eb0_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448427/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448427/

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5817/59630714.154/0_6d7bc_2b928639_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448444/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448444/

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5816/59630714.155/0_6d7ff_968eb9da_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448511/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448511/

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4710/59630714.155/0_6d801_11c2e1cd_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448513/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/448513/

So ugly, little and out dated ...



http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6435/090518tower2grandhyattu.jpg

I like it! :cheer:

Well it could be taller of course but I like it too

So ugly, little and out dated ...



http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6435/090518tower2grandhyattu.jpg

are you kiddin!?!?!?!??! this tower is outstanding :cheers:

Webscreens video:
qXrulAORGRo&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXrulAORGRo&feature=feedu

Video from bauma24:
V3yzgTtXkCQ&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3yzgTtXkCQ&feature=channel_video_title

And just screen from http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/fileadmin/webcams/51/current.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5817/59630714.158/0_6de01_300d3151_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/450049/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/bohdan-astro/view/450049/

Any updates?

December:

Der Himmel ist voll geworden über der Baustelle.
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5314/img5119f.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1706/img5117l.jpg


U/C!

Webcam:

http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/fileadmin/webcams/52/current.jpg

Not Max Bögl! :ohno:

They just screwed up badly in Vienna; like freaking amateurs...

^ What are you talking about?

Contractor? DC Towers?

It´s really fantastic your city friend´s. Excuse me for tipping in English, I don´t know in your language.
I´m writte from Chile, South America.........
An once again, your city it´s wonderfull....


Saludos desde Antofagasta, Chile (in Spanish)

We're in the international section amigo, so you're supposed to write in English. :|


Frankfurt is geil of course, but this is a specified thread for a project, so only project-related posts please. Gracias.

^ What are you talking about?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=87713309&postcount=2905

Wow, didin´t know about this project! Very nice and the height is impressive, too!

:applause:

A Feb pic:
Von gestern
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9044/img6972zw.jpg

one more from the official webcam, taken some minutes ago..
http://s7.directupload.net/images/120313/ppitle2r.jpg

^ And where exactly will the 212m tower rise?

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9087/27453026.jpg

What are those 'twins' under construction^^ please?:)

^^

This awesome building:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=185988

http://www.dafmap.de/d/serve.py?2012/nd7_3589.jpg

^ And where exactly will the 212m tower rise?

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/4346/32699040.jpg

it's the northern tower which is also marked in dark red

Thank you "the man from k-town" very much, but I ment acctualy on the picture from the post #215.
I can't see any work concerning the Tower 212!

^^ because it's not U/C, yet.

^^ because it's not U/C, yet.

And i don't think it will be U/C in the near future

Yep. The threads name is sort of misleading because Tower 1 is not under construction. There's not even a signed contract. A tower which could be under construction within 2 years is the Grand Hyatt or also Tower 2. (113m)

it looks nice

Great renders, not a fan of the drive leading up to the main structure, it seems a little detrimental from the rest of the city grid. But otherwise beautiful project.

So the thread title should say proposed I guess..

No, since parts of the project are U/C already.

I'm not sure, perhaps we should divide the different projects into separate threads.
But after all, it's a masterplan project which was planned as a whole.

The skyscrapers section is about skyscrapers only, you know this. Most projects here are part of masterplans and the rule is that the thread is only shown in this section when the skyscraper part of the whole masterplan is U/C, which right now isn't the case. We're not going to make half of Skyscrapercity believe that they're working on a skyscraper while they're actually working on a mall or a swimming pool. It's misleading. Putting different parts of the masterplan into separate threads could be a solution.

We could also just move it to the General Urban Developments forum, until the construction of the towers starts.

ni3ls is right about this, except that the thread-title should not be proposed since the towers are approved already ;)

new pics of the mall site from yesterday:

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6357/img2229ga.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6915/img2235md.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6050/img2236si.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7482/img2238f.jpg

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4540/img2239yk.jpg

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6896/img2240fq.jpg

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5621/img2241z.jpg
this round concrete shapes are for cars?

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/553/img2242y.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2494/img2243es.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2929/img2244t.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/43/img2245an.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1111/img2247po.jpg

they are already pouring the roof of ground floor

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9646/img2248rq.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9437/img2250be.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7223/img2251dt.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2735/img2252m.jpg

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9004/img2253i.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4318/img2254u.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3226/img2255nn.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9029/img2262i.jpg

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/1131/img2263ml.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/70/img2272b.jpg

pics taken by me!

^^ good update. Those round concrete could well be the ramps for the garage.

News from the congress center which will be called "Kap Europa"

The construction has already been started and it will be opened summer 2014.

capacity: 1000

CgrYkkD_P4Q

http://s1.directupload.net/images/120412/rc2bewd6.jpg

http://s14.directupload.net/images/120412/bootiuau.jpg

http://s14.directupload.net/images/120412/ihhp9v2n.jpg

pics: ECE, Messe Frankfurt

Looks almost a bit like Dubai.:cheers1:
Thanks for sharing these pictures. Is it true that the proposals about the Grand Hyatt are cancelled ?

Is it true that the proposals about the Grand Hyatt are cancelled ?

Not True

current webcam picture of skyline plaza, seen from Pullux:

http://www.caimmo-deutschland.de/fileadmin/webcams/52/current.jpg

I like that tower next to the KAP Europa. :)

Could someone post those fantastic news including the renders in the German thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=874040), please? I can't right now. Thanks. :)

done! ;)

Danke! :okay:


(No idea why quoting doesn't seem to work on my smartphone...)

newest webcam picture...it´s a massive construction site...

http://s14.directupload.net/images/120610/kkyub725.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

Fantastic project! :cheers:

It is huge. :cool:

wow . what a speed. when i was there in april they were just pouring ground floor walls

newest webcam picture...it´s a massive construction site...

http://s14.directupload.net/images/120610/kkyub725.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

Are those two cylinders the cores of 212m and 113m towers?

no. they are car park ramps

wow . what a speed. when i was there in april they were just pouring ground floor walls
Pretty much there was nothing to see. Now all of the sudden, after almost 3 months it's all alive. (Although I was there on easter period).

here you can see it u/c on the lower left.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wpkmann/7467033154/sizes/h/in/photostream/

looks quite big, almost as big as the central station.

damn,i hope to visit Frankfurt one day...Franfurt will pass quickly in the near future Paris and London,meybe who know.

no. they are car park ramps

FRANKFURT | Skyline Plaza | 212m | 52 fl | 113m | 29 fl | U/C

???????