I think that infrastructure projects of Vilnius deserve a separate thread. For other projects in Vilnius visit VILNIUS - Full Summary of Projects (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=436202) ‎thread.

Lets start with the biggest question: Do we need a new type of public transport system in Vilnius? If yes then what kind of system is the best for Vilnius? Tram, metro, tram with underground parts...?
So far we made the biggest work in making tram studies and planning tram network. But with new municipality and new mayor it seems that we are fogetting what we have done and we'll now make studies for metro system in Vilnius. It seems to me that situation which we have now in Vilnius with choosing new type of public transport system is just a game of politics. Ex mayor of Vilnius supported tram and I think that his oponent current mayor of Vilnius announced that they'll make metro studies on purpose. He didn't want to support the ideas of his oponent. Ofcourse afterall maybe it's not bad to have all kind of studies and to actually see the pluses and minuses of all systems. The bad side is that we'll be discussing and "playing" for a long time. I think that we'll not start realising anything atleast before ~2010 year.
So as I mentioned, new mayor expressed his opinion that metro is a better solution for Vilnius and they'll order metro studies. The mayor was talking about metro which will go underground at the city center and oldtown, while in other places lines will be on the ground. The ex mayor replied that in tram studies there were also such posibilities foreseen for tram to go underground in sections where there will be such need.

Personally I agree that at the city center (esp. oldtown) tram/metro or whatever should be undergroud. Undergound lines will not make much harm to oldtown as overground ones and will not take space of current streets.

The company "Rentinys" (I mentioned about it earlier at VILNIUS - Full Summary of Projects (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=436202) ‎thread) keeps promoting metro. They presented their ideas at exhibition "RESTA 2007". Some photos from their website www.vilniausmetro.lt
http://www.vilniausmetro.lt/sajudzio_zinios_files/image012-184_8490.jpg

http://www.vilniausmetro.lt/sajudzio_zinios_files/image006-184_8475.jpg

http://www.vilniausmetro.lt/sajudzio_zinios_files/image002-184_8457.jpg

http://www.vilniausmetro.lt/sajudzio_zinios_files/image004-184_8466.jpg

Construction update of southern highway.
Download the map with marked infrastructure projects:
http://www.vilnius.lt/bplanas/files/files/Sprendiniai2/9_1%20tinklo%20pletra%20m50000_2.jpg (6,3 MB)

The southern highway is marked with number 1 on the map. Some data:
Lenght: 2,9km of new road, 4km of reconstructed road.
It'll have few viaducts, short tunnel under railways, viaduct for pedestrians, 5km of walls from noise, etc.
Investments: 77 mio EUR.

Photos by Mantaz from http://www.miestai.net/forumas/
Viaduct to Laisves prospect over traffic ring:
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1658.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1666.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1662.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1668.JPG

Another viaduct over Naugarduko street:
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1670.JPG

Other photos:
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1678.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1676.JPG

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070526/DSC_1671.JPG

Till 2010 water route in Neris river will be prepared and six "docks" with winter port will be built. This is small project (about 6 mio EUR + private investments) but really quite interesting and deserves to be mentioned.

Currently situation with usage of Neris river for tourism is really bad. Only one ship "Riga" is used. Photo by deepas from http://www.miestai.net/forumas/
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070601/DSC_3014.JPG

The last update for today. Viaduct at intersection of Gelezinio Vilko/Ukmerges streets. It'll have three lines and will be used for traffic from city center. In the map of infrastructure projects (which I posted above) it's marked as No 5.
Renderings:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9679/geluk23s1vu.jpg

As you'll see it's almost completed. Photos by FeO from http://www.miestai.net/forumas/
http://www.miestai.net/forumas/attachment.php?attachmentid=1480&stc=1&d=1180449634

http://www.miestai.net/forumas/attachment.php?attachmentid=1471&stc=1&d=1180449634

http://www.miestai.net/forumas/attachment.php?attachmentid=1474&stc=1&d=1180449634

http://www.miestai.net/forumas/attachment.php?attachmentid=1472&stc=1&d=1180449634

Projects in Vilnius are AMAZING!!! IMO you should built metro :)

I have some questions about metro/fast tram. How long would the lines be? How much track would be underground? What is the estimated cost for metro and for fast tram? I know studies are being made but maybe there are already some numbers...

Where is really differecne between metro or underground tram, ??


In my mind;

Underground tram too can bee 4 car train, the same as metro
Metro can bee third rail (powered) and overhead wires lik undergropund tram too.

So really Porto is enough big city but dont get metro, but underground tram, Vilnius even is smaller then Riga and wants metro ?

So where is this point, to build a one or second typ of system,


Eny way I better like full metro and also it can go overground without problems.

I houpe that Vilnius will get metro, and I tink it will bee first in Baltics.

/\ yep its kinda weird really, Vilnius is, well, not the densest capital in the baltics... it is also a centrical (i.e the city forms around the city core). Not the ideal situation for a metro...
as for Riga, riga is bigger, and much denser in the city centre.
Tallinn on the other hand is not centrical, in that its stretched along the coast, meaning it would take one line to serve alot of passengers.

not to mention Vilnius has hills here and there that would make construction of the stations a little more complicated.

Does there is some unnofical plans or was fow underground tram in Tallinn ?

Does there is some unnofical plans or was fow underground tram in Tallinn ?
In the Soviet times there was a plan to build a fast tram line to the biggest commieblock district in Tallinn. This line would have been underground in the centre of the city. But in the beginning of the 90s, a research was made which showed that building the line underground was too expensive and wouldn't be profitable.

/\ well they would have gone ahead with it if the soviet system had not collapsed.
Btw, the lasnamäe tram line that well get now is still going to be underground in some places in the city centre, theres just no way around it.

Illustration of a fast-tram(light-metro) station at todays City centre location (under the Tartu road extension basically)

http://www.etp.ee/img/uudised/DSCN8005.jpg

But does there are planned some underground stations too ?

........
not to mention Vilnius has hills here and there that would make construction of the stations a little more complicated.

Ch1le try to travel from one vilnius place to another say at 18:00 by car :D And not get your self in one hour traffic jam, and then think what is complicated after that :D

Tallin isn't too small for metro?
In Kraków we built underground tram.

http://www.miestai.net/forumas/attachment.php?attachmentid=1471&stc=1&d=1180449634
As you can see Vilnius has invented new way of building highrises :D
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/zagironas/dangisvilniuj.jpg

Ah, ok, everybody let's talk about Vilnius' infrastructure here ;)

Where is really differecne between metro or underground tram, ??
Well, when I heard more about plans by our new municipality, it seems that they plan fast tram with underground part in the city center. But they call it "metro" just to make difference from earlier tram plans by their political oponents. Well atleast I think so. The mayor said that car units will be similar to trams by size and they will go underground in city center/oldtown. Ofcourse what we'll get in reality is still unknown. Lets wait few years and we'll see. ;) Maybe we'll get just simple tram or maybe even we'll get nothing. :)

@Rebasepoiss: There are some calculations by "Rentinys" for metro but I don't think that these calculations are reliable. For tram, it was counted that one simple (without any underground parts) 10km line could cost about 450-580 mio LT (130-170 mio EUR). Ofcourse I found the data on the PR site of tram so real numbers could be bigger.

Update of Laisves prospect-Ateities street-Ukmerges street junction with new viaducts. Drawing:
Posted by Ginthus from tinkle.miestai.net
http://www.miestai.net/forumas/attachment.php?attachmentid=1048&d=1165835876

On the map (which I posted above) It's marked with number 6.

Photos by SPX from tinkle.miestai.net
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070603/PICT0015.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070603/PICT0011.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070603/PICT0012.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070603/PICT0013.jpg

Not sure if such photos are interesting for you? :) I guess some of these objects should look much more interesting when constructions will advance further.

Tallin isn't too small for metro?


not too much smaller then Vilnius... and given the shape of Tallinn, a single line would have a bigger "catchment area" then Vilnius. Therefore...

U meen from Talllins EastNorth to West South... Its quite long km's..

not too much smaller then Vilnius... and given the shape of Tallinn, a single line would have a bigger "catchment area" then Vilnius. Therefore...

But isn't the amount of metro passengers be less in Tallinn then in Vilnius ? I think "catchment area" isn't the main issue here :)

/\ ofcourse it is.

say Tallinn builds one metro line and vilnius builds one. now draw that across the city. Tallinn is narrow and long, meaning that one line would service more people, than one line in Vilnius... even though the population is smaller... Its not like metro (or any other transport planners) just look at the population of the city and say... "Yeah that can work"....

^Just that with one line, you can serve more passengers ---less money on the project but more people.

If this is so interesting subject, let's make a thread about Tallinn's infrastructure projects, shall we?

EDIT: Deamn, Ch1le was faster:D.

^Just that with one line, you can serve more passengers ---less money but more people.

If this is so interesting subject, let's make a thread about Tallinn's infrastructure projects, shall we?

we can discuss it at Tallinn dev

Ok, maybe some mod is kind enough to move this offtopic to Tallinn development thread.

Hmm I will try to show you some of my logic thinking :) on the "one metro line" project :) . Say we have this metro line in vilnius:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/869/29204219st4.jpg

and other in Tallinn:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7465/87551560cu7.jpg

Vilnius line is ~15 km, Tallinn ~ 30 km. And with populations of 600.000 and 400.000. We end up that in vilnius passengers amount should be 40.000 per km :D and in Tallinn 13.000 per km . So the end line is that no matter on lines length Vilnius metro line will earn more money after all and it shows that metro in vilnius is more needed than is Tallinn :) and that more shorter metro line is way better solution then long round throught villages Tallinn line :)

Or does my countings just plane stupid ?

And count as you wish you will end up that POPULATION SIZE DOES MATTER :D

Hmm I will try to show you some of my logic thinking :) on the "one metro line" project :) . Say we have this metro line in vilnius:

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/869/29204219st4.jpg

and other in Tallinn:

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7465/87551560cu7.jpg

Vilnius line is ~15 km, Tallinn ~ 30 km. And with populations of 600.000 and 400.000. We end up that in vilnius passengers amount should be 40.000 per km :D and in Tallinn 13.000 per km . So the end line is that no matter on lines length Vilnius metro line will earn more money after all and it shows that metro in vilnius is more needed than is Tallinn :) and that more shorter metro line is way better solution then long round throught villages Tallinn line :)

Or does my countings just plane stupid ?

And count as you wish you will end up that POPULATION SIZE DOES MATTER :D

good that you took the time to do these illustrations. But the line would never need to go like that. It would go from Lasnamäe through the centre to Mustamäe and Õismäe. The lenght would be around 15km and it would serve 60% of the population.

^^
So in other words, there will never be long lenght metro line at Tallinn. So about what we talking then ? And then what you wanted to say with this sentence : ""Tallinn is narrow and long, meaning that one line would service more people, than one line in Vilnius... even though the population is smaller..." ??

/\ 15km is quite long!

/\ 15km is quite long!

No longer then in Vilnius as you I understood wanted to say opposide statment :) But this is not that question I asked you . So now please tell me , how does Tallinn's metro line will serve more passenger with the same line length then in Vilnius. And in my understanding the people of Tallinn leaving more around center (and Tallinn is more dense around it) so there is no such big need for them drive to they jobs, as it is in Vilnius because our "sleeping" districts are situated all around center areas and there's many troubles to get to center at rush hour time :P because Vilnius have a lot's of green areas around center and distances from say my leaving district to center is around one hour of seating in a bus. So I with more pleasure would take the metro/train :D

This is what the tram network in Tallinn is really going to look like and there will never be any metro or underground tram:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6086/trammivrkzz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Orange and red lines are the new ones.

Discussion or comparisons are one thing, but it's Vilnius' inf' thread, so please, atleast no pictures of Tallinn's plans, lines or whatever... ;)


proposed metro lines in Vilnius

Green, blue and brown - till 2025
dots - till 2035

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/850/image111vu0.jpg

No longer then in Vilnius as you I understood wanted to say opposide statment :) But this is not that question I asked you . So now please tell me , how does Tallinn's metro line will serve more passenger with the same line length then in Vilnius. And in my understanding the people of Tallinn leaving more around center (and Tallinn is more dense around it) so there is no such big need for them drive to they jobs, as it is in Vilnius because our "sleeping" districts are situated all around center areas and there's many troubles to get to center at rush hour time :P because Vilnius have a lot's of green areas around center and distances from say my leaving district to center is around one hour of seating in a bus. So I with more pleasure would take the metro/train :D

ask mantaz where is the traffic problem bigger, Tallinn or Vilnius :cheers:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/850/image111vu0.jpg

that blue line seems absolutely pointless.
Green line needs double the amount of Stations
Brown line should cross the river and go parallel or under Gediminas to the Cathedral... or atleast run on the other side of the river bank!
or well the western bit of the blue line is a good idea, the eastern bit seems kinda pointless.
And i also think something should connect Antakalnis!

This is what the tram network in Tallinn is really going to look like and there will never be any metro or underground tram:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6086/trammivrkzz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Orange and red lines are the new ones.







NEVER:lol: Who will know what will be happen in Tallinns Center after 15 years.

NEVER:lol: Who will know what will be happen in Tallinns Center after 15 years.

thats for trams ;)

Ofcourse it is stupid to say never will bee that or that, city is dynamic.

I want to post some letter with excample of Vilnius metro to our Riga Mayor --- let learn from Vilniaus Council.

Otherwise Riga develoupment full of new business districts and projects while infarstructure is in really ass. I have shame that wee are plan trams while Vilnius has lot of steps before Riga and really deserves to build metro.

SHAME

NEVER:lol: Who will know what will be happen in Tallinns Center after 15 years.
Tallin will never be a big city because it's to close to Helsinki (and Petersburg) so people will emigrate, and Estonia is very small country. Even if 50% of Estonia population would live in Tallin, Tallin wouldn't be bigger than Riga. IMO they should develop their tram system because it looks so small. Metro should exist in Riga and Vilnius.

@RS, I've tried to prove to you that metro is beyond our possibilities in coming 20 years. We would stop lots of other, more necessary developments, if we would start it in nearest future. After 20 years it would be less ruinous for our economics, but most likely - still not priority.

Better don't bring that much Riga issues here - this is very interesting thread about processes in Vilnius.

Tallin will never be a big city because it's to close to Helsinki (and Petersburg) so people will emigrate, and Estonia is very small country.

You should do your homework better. In the last five or so years more people have immigrated to Estonia than left the country. By all accounts it would seem that in a couple of years Estonia will start growing again, and Tallinn will of course be the hotspot for growth as the rural population will also be moving in.

Estonia have negative birth-rate....

Estonia have negative birth-rate....

Harju county has positive birth-rate :) And has had for for a few years already.
And seriously, ST.Petersburg? Um... why in hells name would anyone from Tallinn or Estonia for that matter emigrate to St.petersburg O.o.
And the proximity of Helsinki means that not too many people will actually MOVE to Finland, they will just commute.
Now the matter of Lithuanians and Latvians moving to Ireland and UK, now thats alarming.

I think that infrastructure projects of Vilnius deserve a separate thread.
I recommend you to select all posts about Vilnius' infrastructure and to create a new thread for that. Some people don't understand the requests to stop talk OT here. So let them have and enjoy this thread.

I recommend you to select all posts about Vilnius' infrastructure and to create a new thread for that. Some people don't understand the requests to stop talk OT here. So let them have and enjoy this thread.

Oh stop being a drama queen! :nuts:

@RS, I've tried to prove to you that metro is beyond our possibilities in coming 20 years. We would stop lots of other, more necessary developments, if we would start it in nearest future. After 20 years it would be less ruinous for our economics, but most likely - still not priority.

Better don't bring that much Riga issues here - this is very interesting thread about processes in Vilnius.




Do you think Vilnius isn't other priority's :lol:




P.S. I can understund it very good that metro will be not in nearest future, but our Council even don't tolk eny vord about some underground transport, but wants to spend money for 15 tram lines, wich is real out of result, lets sey they think that tram is God for Riga, and it is very stupid.

Thats I want to sey --we should not spend money just away

But Vilnius Mayor do prioritys, but also think that tram will bee without results and dont want spend money.


Riga council just need to think to the forepart, like in chess !!


PEACE GATIS

Vilnius new Mayor Imbrasas have nothing in common with that "new looks" of transport lines. It's some people group opinion that they shouted that the better solution of traffic problems would be rather metro then some tram lines which would make some old town streets more stuffed then it is already. They created internet sites, posters, billboards about it. In general they just raised the question which is more useful thing to do. And then our ex mayor Zuokas has lost his post (you all should know that it was Zuokas office idea of tram line, they only supported this offer) , the Imbrasas just stood and announced that he just think a lot and come to final thought that metro line can be much better than tram one. and all "rewards" go to him, like an author of the idea. It just pisses me off :D The old grampa just stating all over the news that he would like to build this , to project that , in my opinion he is just searching for popularity for himself :( in final : just don't give all the credits to the mayor of vilnius about this ideas on metro line

I just have read a press in internet in Latvian site.

But about Vilnius' population. Is it growing or decreasing?

I personally prefer trams for a simple reason: metro won't pay off for a city this size.

But about Vilnius' population. Is it growing or decreasing?


2001 554.281
2002 553.373
2003 553.232
2004 552.800
2005 553.061
2006 553.528
2007 554.409

^^

Vilnius district + Trakai district

2001 - 125.880
2007 - 130.612

(c)Lithuanian statistics department


I personally prefer trams for a simple reason: metro won't pay off for a city this size

It's not only how populous the city is that matters, there are many diferent aspects that must be considered. Personally, i do believe that metro would pay off after some time in Vilnius.

If Vilnius' inhabitant would have a reliable and comfortable public trasport that would enable him to get to the city center in 5-15 min rather than sitting in his car in an annoying traffic jam for an hour or more two times a day (busses and trolleys share the same fate), he would sure leave his car in a garage and use it only when he's going somewhere outside the city.

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Survey done by the municipality last year showed that Vilnius' inhabitants and businessmen loose over half a billion euros each year due to traffic jams.

Have these people behind metro idea calculated how much would cost a ticket in it? In Riga single trip would cost around 10 EUR.

Whatever system will be chosen, ticket prices will not be too high. Municipalities usually support public transport and public transport does not have to live only from money which they get from selling tickets.

But this money does not come from space - does it? It's not very wise to build a heavily subsidized economy. And one thing is to subsidize development and running of comparatively cheap bus+trolleybus system, another - the expensive metro system.

In world economies metro systems, of course, are subsidized - by rich and developed economies (Japan, France, Great Britain) or by resource rich states (Russia). If this issue is rised up to a kind of "penis extension" for nation, it could be subsidized by smaller and less rich countries as well, but it has little to do with sound economics.

Helsinki has Metro line since the early 80's. Population of the city is around 500.000. Finnish GDP(PPP) per capita was only marginally higher then, than in the Baltic nations now. My "out-of-my-ass" bet would be not more than 22.000 international $ /capita for Finland in year 1980, in 2007 prices, while the same indicator in Latvia and Lithuania is 15000 intl. $/capita.

Exactly. Many cities of similar size to Vilnius have similar systems. So why can't we? Why do you think that it'll be "unsound economics" for us? Especially if we're talking about "metro" which is much more similar to fast trams with underground section in the city center. And don't forget that if we'll get something it'll be ~2020 year already.

One more thing, quote from other thread:
Riga badly needs metro

I know that there is difference between Riga and Vilnius but it's really not that big and especially if we'll talk about future. If Riga badly needs metro, then Vilnius just needs such system with underground part in the city center. :)

This year constructions of Vilnius western motorway should start. See it on the map which was posted on first page (marked as no. 2).
Lenght: 12 km
Investments: approx. 135 mio EUR + 45 mio EUR to buy needed land
It'll be built in three stages.
Construction dates: first two stages 2007-2010, third stage 2010-2013

Helsinki has Metro line since the early 80's. Population of the city is around 500.000. Finnish GDP(PPP) per capita was only marginally higher then, than in the Baltic nations now. My "out-of-my-ass" bet would be not more than 22.000 international $ /capita for Finland in year 1980, in 2007 prices, while the same indicator in Latvia and Lithuania is 15000 intl. $/capita.

And Oslo have had Metro since 1928, and Norway wasn`t exactly rich at the time.

metromap: red is metro now, yellow are future plans (sorry about the picture-size)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/T-bane-nett-utbygging.jpg

Helsinki has Metro line since the early 80's. Population of the city is around 500.000. Finnish GDP(PPP) per capita was only marginally higher then, than in the Baltic nations now. My "out-of-my-ass" bet would be not more than 22.000 international $ /capita for Finland in year 1980, in 2007 prices, while the same indicator in Latvia and Lithuania is 15000 intl. $/capita.
But what about Helsinki's urban population, which is around 1 million? That is a lot bigger than Vilnius'.

^^ Maybe you should better ask for population data of Oslo and Helsinki in 1928 and 1980 years? ;)

Population of Vilnius:
2005:
City 553 000
Daytime population 673 000
Metro area 800 000

2015 (prognosis):
City 576 000
Daytime population 716 000
Metro area 875 000

Source: http://www.vilnius.lt/bplanas
Of course all those predictions can be wrong, we'll see.

But what about Helsinki's urban population, which is around 1 million? That is a lot bigger than Vilnius'.

Helsinki metro region is limited in shape by the sea, while centers of Vilnius and Riga are surrounded by populous neighborhoods, I would say that Helsinki is in fact *less* suitable for Metro, however, Helsinki has still benefited from metro greatly. The entire Eastern part of the city depends on it.

In Dompcz's post above you can see that metro region of Vilnius is quite large as well. Also, greater Helsinki is polycentric. Many people living and working in Espoo or Vantaa have no reason to go to downtown or East Helsinki, where the metro runs. I don't know about Vilnius, but in Riga it's mostly so that people sleep in the suburbs and work downtown. Not the case in Helsinki, at all.

One more thing, quote from other thread:


I know that there is difference between Riga and Vilnius but it's really not that big and especially if we'll talk about future. If Riga badly needs metro, then Vilnius just needs such system with underground part in the city center. :)


So did Riga, there is no need for full underground system !

Nothing groundbraking new yet about the metro/tram debate, but anyways:


The proposed Vilnius' metro scheme
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20080105/vilniausmetro_schema-20070911.jpg


Proposed mean of financing the Justiniškės-Jeruzalė part of Antakalnis-Stotis line. That is - selling the currently empty land plots for symbolic price in the mean time having the businessmen accepting the burden of financing the construction of underground highway and metro.

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20080105/file14568736_Situacija_staneviciaus_b1.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20080105/file14568714_Situacija_Ukmerges_b1.jpg

Cool! *>*

Vilnius half a ring


http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20080820/Vilniausziedas.JPG

First stage - Southern highway (almost completed)
Second stage - First part of western highway (existing, but will be upgraded from 2 to 4 traffic lanes each side)
Third stage - Western highway (construction 2009-2012)
Fourth stage - Northern highway (planned)

First stage - Southern highway
almost completed and will be opened this autumn

Full road 2,9 km long
Full cost - 77,5 mln euro

Includes:
75m long viaduct over Naugardukas street
380m viaduct over Savanorių ring
30m tunnel under railway Vilnius-Kaunas.

More detailed map
http://foto.miestai.net//inkelti/20061021/Pietinis3.JPG

Latest photos by Zorro from http://www.miestai.net/forumas/

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Once, some 5 years ago I got lost in these dead ends of highways in Vilnius. It's good that you are going towards a ringroad, it is quite hard to drive through Vilnius.
Interesting to see that downwards arch - this is not that often used.

Are there any news about tram or metro in Vilnius? Are you still planning to build it?

Are there any news about tram or metro in Vilnius? Are you still planning to build it?

No news. And with today's economical situation it's going to remain so for a while.

The southern bypass was finally opened today.

See the video footage in the link:
http://www.delfi.lt/news/economy/automoto/article.php?id=19447627

Some photos for miestai (http://www.miestai.net/forumas) forum (by SPX):

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Congrats! :cheers:

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Why is the turning lane so wide?

The first stage of the Western bypass is set to take off. All the contracts are signed and preparation works are due to start immediately. The project:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Romas2/VLN%20gatves/VakarinioDPOslo.jpg

That includes a two and three level crossings and a 150 meters long tunnel (second in Vilnius).

The discussion about the new transport system in Vilnius is back again, with the change of central and municipal governments.

Minister of environment have met today with representatives of public movement "Metro union", as well as other officials. Nothing particularly was determined and the debate is still wide open between which new means of transport shall be chosen - weather it will be metro, metrotramway or tramway.

All parties agreed that metro is the least harm-full for the environment. The numbers that were talked about, include:

30 km of metro lines, that would
serve over 50% of the passengers, and
allow companies and residents of Vilnius to save up to 3 bln. Litas a year,
as well as attract new investment, create new jobs and increase the general mood of residents.

It was concluded, that adding the metro project to the list of projects of national importance shall be considered by strategic planning committee.

http://g.delfi.lt/images/pix/file22285582_bd35d4a16862fca05f.jpg

Few days earlier, ambassador of Spain have suggested that spanish companies specializing in construction of metro systems would carry out a feasibility study for a metro of Vilnius.

A subway to Vilnius? Congrats! That certainly makes Vilnius' mass transit the envy of the Baltics. :)

Let's hope a words to be followed by deeds :)

I think the best way to build this is to attract an investor who could build metro with 100% private money :D Whatever, have you heard something considering the financial scheme?

If wee are not talking about crisis...

Then, eny way, Vilnius is on correct wey. If you build something, build it for a long time :)

Vilnius metro? Don't think it will be built, at least not in ~20 next years. Those talks about new means of transport are continuing for quite many years already and we still don't have anything (even tram). We can't even finish National stadium.

And here comes the "Emo"...

What other process do you expect? We're not the size of Russia to finance these type of projects with ease and we're far from being as rich as Norway. It is only obvious, that decision of this magnitude takes a lot of time to mature and constantly negative people like yourself do not do good at all.

Do i expect the metro to start running by next year? Hell no, far from it. Even the metro enthusiasts from "Metro union" project that at best, the first metro line could be operational somewhere in mid 2020's.

Let's hope a words to be followed by deeds :)

I think the best way to build this is to attract an investor who could build metro with 100% private money :D Whatever, have you heard something considering the financial scheme?

Sorry to disappoint you, but i'm not an insider. I'm just quoting what the press says.

There were a few financing plans proposed, but nothing particularly serious. We should wait until the feasibility study shall be conducted. Though i believe that selling of municipal land in Vilnius in order to finance the project shall be seriously considered.

I guess it is obvious even without the study, that profitability of metro system, at least at the start, is questionable. The positive indirect influence though, i guess, is obvious to everyone.

Whatever, I've noticed that you've always too optimistic, probably on drugs or something. First of all they can't decide what Vilnius needs, many various studies were ordered and still there are no results. They don't know if it'll be metro, tram or scooters.
For some ~10 years they can't make up their mind what kind of transport Vilnius needs, so how many years we'll have to wait for realization? ~100?

Very good news - i'm happy for Vilnius.:yes:
Just keep those silly Spaniards away , they haven't exactly earned respect among Belgrade's metro enthusiasts (such as myself) by proposing we build a simple LRT system.

How can LRT solve the transport needs for a city of 2 million?:nuts:

Still I don't understand. Does LRT have smaller tunnel diameter or what, couse full metro can run overground more then LRT for example in HANNOVER

And of course, metro with 3 rd rail looks more powerfull :)

Whatever, I've noticed that you've always too optimistic, probably on drugs or something. First of all they can't decide what Vilnius needs, many various studies were ordered and still there are no results. They don't know if it'll be metro, tram or scooters.
For some ~10 years they can't make up their mind what kind of transport Vilnius needs, so how many years we'll have to wait for realization? ~100?

Neat... You should make up your mind. Once - i'm a liar, then i'm an overly optimistic drug addict. Perhaps the problem is indeed in you, sir, not me.

Am i happy with the cowardness of our politicians? definitely no! But perhaps you have noticed, that our society is still too dumb to understand some necessary things which require an excessive public spending and hence the inability of our politicians to make a decision that might affect their ratings. It will not last forever as the soviet generations are slowly dying out both in electorate and political circles and situation is changing.

Politics is far more than just black and white and i'm happy to say that the political culture in Lithuania is rocketing to the good side. I can assure you of that, as i'm more or less drowning deeper into that circle with every passing day and happen to know a few people that currently are in Seimas. The cancer that is pragmatism and individualism is dying out and morale as well as ideological values are coming back to business.

I would as well question the credibility of previously conducted studies - how much was it actually a feasibility study and how much was it just a regular money laundering.

Very good news - i'm happy for Vilnius.
Just keep those silly Spaniards away , they haven't exactly earned respect among Belgrade's metro enthusiasts (such as myself) by proposing we build a simple LRT system.

How can LRT solve the transport needs for a city of 2 million?

If LRT is the answer for Vilnius, then so be it. Objective people that are specialists in their own field should get more trust from politicians, as well as general public.

I think Dompcz is unfortunately right. We should not presume that Vilnius is getting a metro or even any kind of LRT (tram) anytime in the near future (10-15 years). One thing that we could develop further is the roads and bus transport. Even here, however, Vilnius isn't doing that good.

I really want to hope I'm wrong and that things will start to change for better...

I think Dompcz is unfortunately right. We should not presume that Vilnius is getting a metro or even any kind of LRT (tram) anytime in the near future (10-15 years). One thing that we could develop further is the roads and bus transport. Even here, however, Vilnius isn't doing that good.

I really want to hope I'm wrong and that things will start to change for better...

And no-one implied that we might be getting it sooner ;)

As for the roads - southern by-pass has been opened for some months now and the construction of western by-pass is well underway. Moletai highway is being reconstructed and a number of most troubling intersections have been fixed. It is brave to say that Vilnius isn't doing good in this case.
However, there is always some room for improvement, obviously.

This might be an interesting video for some of you - its the system that was proposed to Belgrade by a Spanish firm, INECO.

Its quite long (9 minutes) and in Serbian so you won't understand much but you will definately know more about what to expect ...

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Vilnus will have a metro ?> :eek:

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Vilnus will have a metro ?> :eek:
Maybe similar to the existing metro in Tallinn :)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=37124228&postcount=1143

Just after Finding out that Western Vilnius ring road which was on hold since 18th Decembes, just got a green light and it's Construction will resume very soon :cheers: :banana:

so, this thread is a ghost town for like 18 months, but just a quick update, that Vilnius Western Ringroad phase 1, has been opened to traffic which included in building a 3 level interchangeand a 3+3 lane 150m. long tunnel, the part that opened is only 1.1km though

Some pictutes of the new section:

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=191228&amp;s=3&amp;f=4

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=191225&amp;s=3&amp;f=4

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=191226&amp;s=3&amp;f=4

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=191229&amp;s=3&amp;f=4

http://img.lrytas.lt/show_foto/?id=191235&amp;s=3&amp;f=4

(c) V.Ščiavinskas (lrytas.lt)

It's strange, that nobody mentioned, that the construction of outer Vilnius southern bypass has started, there will be 3 phases in total, however construction of phase 1, has only started on 8th of February, which will include a reconstruction of Kirtimu street (1+1) into 2+2 and one new 2 level interchange with Lentvario street.

The remaining 2 phases will have a newly built 1+1 road

It would be great, if someone from www.miestai.net/forumas could upload some pictures with the map, if possible? :)