Visiting the Csángós in Moldavia - road trip [Archive]

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 12:25 PM

Who are the Csángós, You might ask:

A small endangered hungarian minority :ohno: , with a very rich culture, living in Moldavia.

If You would like to know more about the Csángós, please visit their website:

http://www.csango.hu/en/index2.html

The trip goes through Nagyszeben/Hermannstadt/Sibiu and Transylvania, ending at a small Csángo village...

First pics are from Nagyszeben/Hermannstadt/Sibiu, this year's European Capital of Cuture, the rest from the trip, as it goes forward...

I give You the magnificent city of Nagyszeben/Sibiu...

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More photos to come...

June 4th, 2007, 12:31 PM

wow great town!

JloKyM

June 4th, 2007, 12:48 PM

Looks wonderful. 10x for sharing..:banana:

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 12:54 PM

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A traditional pharmacy in Nagyszeben... (Sorry for the bad quality...:ohno:)

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Still more to come...

cezarsab

June 4th, 2007, 01:04 PM

thanx for the photos but there is a SIBIU thread in your cities!!!
and by the way its name is Sibiu/Nagyszeben:)

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 01:07 PM

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Supercool bridge... :banana:

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Look at the trash... Why?! :ohno: :rant: :no: :cry:

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ROMAN Diesel at work...

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Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 01:08 PM

thanx for the photos but there is a SIBIU thread in your cities!!!
and by the way its name is Sibiu/Nagyszeben:)

Yeah, I know... Both, actually... :lol:
But the thread is not just about Nagyszeben, I meen Sibiu.

dewrob

June 4th, 2007, 01:10 PM

holy shit @ the bridge :uh: and those crazy stuntsmen crossing it.

nice pics :cheers:

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 01:17 PM

holy shit @ the bridge :uh: and those crazy stuntsmen crossing it.

nice pics :cheers:

Yeah!!! :lol: With a fully packed almost 2 tons Passat it was quite a stunt... :lol: :rock: :banana2: :cheer: :nocrook:

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 01:57 PM

The Csángó village is small, but tidy and ordered, the people/community are/is very-very friendly... They undeniably are poor but personaly I think much more wealthier then most of us in every other possible way... The whole thing is breathtaking and tear dripping...

Child and family...

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Romanian youth/junior champion in speedskating playing football...

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Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 02:03 PM

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On that bridge again...

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new bulgaria

June 4th, 2007, 05:14 PM

Wonderful pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Why did you go to that village specifically. Are those people your distant relatives?

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 06:56 PM

Wonderful pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Why did you go to that village specifically. Are those people your distant relatives?

Thank You! And for Your question as well!

There is a programme to help this little hungarian minority, by becoming a Csángó child's "godparent". This way my parents and I donate a monthly minmum of 4000 Fts about 20 EUR (240 EUR a year) for our "godson's" hungarian education. This is not much, but for them a lot. And the participants of this "godparent" programme try to help in every possible way. So money is just one thing.

ZimasterX

June 4th, 2007, 07:07 PM

To be a little honest, I've never heard if this place, although those are some great photos. Nagyszeben especially looks like of those charming EE towns, although in need if some renovation. Good to know there is also a classical side to Moldova.

nebunul

June 4th, 2007, 07:18 PM

Sibiu looks nice :cheers: Thank you! And I believe the country is Romania. And Moldova (where this village is located) is the region of N-E Romania?

Sibiu love you ...
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new bulgaria

June 4th, 2007, 07:46 PM

Thank You! And for Your question as well!

There is a programme to help this little hungarian minority, by becoming a Csángó child's "godparent". This way my parents and I donate a monthly minmum of 4000 Fts about 20 EUR (240 EUR a year) for our "godson's" hungarian education. This is not much, but for them a lot. And the participants of this "godparent" programme try to help in every possible way. So money is just one thing.

Very noble of you! :okay:

Ataman

June 4th, 2007, 08:38 PM

And Moldova (where this village is located) is the region of N-E Romania?

That is correct.

The architecture in Nagyszeben/Hermannstadt has a very central european charm to it, and looks very similar to Schäßburg, which I also like. :applause:

-Ataman

commodore

June 4th, 2007, 09:02 PM

That is correct.

The architecture in Nagyszeben/Hermannstadt has a very central european charm to it, and looks very similar to Schäßburg, which I also like. :applause:

-Ataman

You mean Sibiu/Hermannstadt has a very cham architecture. There is no need to call it that way as within the Sibiu area there are no hungarians.

commodore

June 4th, 2007, 09:09 PM

And BTW, those fellows are living in Bacau area and they are "Ceangai" not Csángós.
This is Romania ! Keep that in mind !:hm:

cezarsab

June 4th, 2007, 09:17 PM

i didn't know that they live in bacau thanx for info!!..
and yes the city is called SIBIU AT FIRST and then you can called what ever you want!

new bulgaria

June 4th, 2007, 09:18 PM

This is Romania ! Keep that in mind !:hm:

It's the EU! We all live in it.:)

cezarsab

June 4th, 2007, 09:24 PM

i don't care for the EU its my country!!!

pt82

June 4th, 2007, 09:30 PM

Nice place. I like Sibiu. Those hungarians are all over europe, they are even in Slovakia. Sometimes we call them gypsies.

commodore

June 4th, 2007, 09:37 PM

It's the EU! We all live in it.:)

EU has nothing to do with it.
As far as we discuss about Romanian citizens and Romanian places, lets use Romanian and not hungarian. :hm:

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 09:42 PM

And BTW, those fellows are living in Bacau area and they are "Ceangai" not Csángós.
This is Romania ! Keep that in mind !:hm:

??? I thought You live in a free country,where people can think what they want, speak any language they feel comfortabe speaking. These people call themselves Csángós, not ceangai. Please resign yourself in this...

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 09:45 PM

EU has nothing to do with it.
As far as we discuss about Romanian citizens and Romanian places, lets use Romanian and not hungarian. :hm:

Come on Mate! You are not living in the Ceauşescu era anymore, please try to remember that...

commodore

June 4th, 2007, 10:33 PM

??? I thought You live in a free country,where people can think what they want, speak any language they feel comfortabe speaking. These people call themselves Csángós, not ceangai. Please resign yourself in this...

Who said anything about those fellows rights? They are free to think, speek, feel confortable and name themselves whatever they want.

I just don't understand why you guys, which claim to be Europeans are constalntly "fire up' things in a certain way...Whats Ceuasescu has to do with this thread? Or Human rights ? Jeez...:bash: And again, there is no need to call Sibiu that way..

Qtya

June 4th, 2007, 11:08 PM

Who said anything about those fellows rights? They are free to think, speek, feel confortable and name themselves whatever they want.

I just don't understand why you guys, which claim to be Europeans are constalntly "fire up' things in a certain way...Whats Ceuasescu has to do with this thread? Or Human rights ? Jeez...:bash: And again, there is no need to call Sibiu that way..

What are you talkin' about? What was offensive in my original post? We call Sibiu - Nagyszeben, like we call cucumber - uborka, or "drum in lucru" - az út javítás alatt? Why should I call it something we NEVER use, and don't feel comfortable saying, not to mention a lot of people don't even know the name. Why are romanians always so sensitive? Is there anything to do with the fact your nation exist as the way today is only 87 years? Come on guys, why can't you move on? I only can repeat you... Jeez...

nebunul

June 4th, 2007, 11:29 PM

d29

June 4th, 2007, 11:31 PM

What a surprise: a charming little reference to Trianon! And it only took 28 posts. Must be a new abstinence record. It appears that it isn't actually us that cannot move on, but some of you folks. You're basically obsessed with that treaty.

I'm glad you enjoyed your trip though. Good luck!

Qtya

June 5th, 2007, 12:07 AM

Qtya

June 5th, 2007, 12:10 AM

:lol: There is something that amuses me big time ... :lol:
Look on www.wizzair.com (hungarian budget airline) - they do not write the name of a Romanian town as other European destinations ... Tirgu-Mures only... they write it Transylvania-Tirgu Mures ... :lol: :lol:

No offence: has anyone got a reasonable explanation for this other than frustration ?!?

Probably because Wizzair is a hungarian low-cost airline, and somehow tried to solve the problem, that we say Marosvásárhely, and not Tirgu Mures. So I think favoured both sides this way.

Anyway: I like Wizzair! :okay: :nocrook:

Ataman

June 5th, 2007, 12:23 AM

Wizzair uses Hungarian names, if you pick the language of the site in Hungarian, German names if you pick the language of the site in German, and Romanian names if you pick a language something other than Hungarian.

Imagine what would happen if an English tourist were given Hungarian city names instead of Romanian ones... it would confuse him! :dunno:

Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with using native language to label towns.

To Romanians: That means you can call Budapest it's old Roman/Dachian name: Aquincum. Of course, if you do that, most people would never know which city you are talking about, so there is no real use in calling Budapest Aquincum.

-Ataman

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 12:32 AM

Look mate. One of you guys mentioned that Nagyszeben shouldn t be called Nagyszeben, because there is no remarkable Hungarian ethnic minority there. Primo: then why do you call Szeged Seghedin, or Gyula Jula, or so on? Because it s easier to pronounciate like that for ya plus you are used to call it like that. See? But the difference is that the later has never been under your rule. I suppose you also don't prefer Kisinyov for chisinau, right? Secundo: You claimed that it shouldn t be called Nagyszeben, cuz it hasn't got Hungarian population (2%). Right. Like it hasn't got Saxon inhabitants anymore (1,6%). You all know why. But this is neither a Hungarian, nor a Rumanian city. It is a Saxon city since 1190. The saxon population had always a far-range autonomy, tell ya what, privileges under the Hungarian kingdom, rights, that minorities never had since 1920. It was the center of the Diet after 1848. Forget these, this is a homepage for engineering and process, architecture, etc. Tell ya what, The first use of electricity in present-day Romania, and the first power line in Southeastern Europe was in 1896, under the rumanian rule, right?:) It was the second city in Europe to use an electric-powered trolley, first in 1904, again under the rumanian rule:) The fact is that tha Austro-Hungarian Empire was the soil for the complishing so great process, that the whole region had never seen before. Don t get paranoid, noone wants it back, I just wanna remind you the city's ORIGIN. I HOPE YOU ALL FEEL THE CITY 100% YOURS. You feel yourself at home in it, without any bad feelings, ad absurdum complex or disrespect for the minorities. It was dropped in your hands.

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 12:33 AM

Why would call it Transilvania-Tirgu Mures and not just Tirgu Mures ?????!?!?!
Sorry I do not get it !!

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 12:36 AM

Nyuszi

June 5th, 2007, 12:39 AM

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 12:43 AM

^^ Exactly ...

Nyuszi

June 5th, 2007, 12:46 AM

Why would call it Transilvania-Tirgu Mures and not just Tirgu Mures ?????!?!?!
Sorry I do not get it !!

Because Tirgu Mures, or Marosvásárhely representing a region, and the region is Transylvania.

If you go to the homepage of Ryanair, you'll see two destinations: Budapest and Balaton

Why Balaton, you might ask? Because noone knows anything about the town Sármellék, where the FlyBalaton airport is located. Sometimes it necessary to give a much more known name. Like Balaton-Sármellék, or Transilvania-Tirgu Mures. If you ask some idiot american tourist about Marosvásárhely/Tirgu Mures, than he would probably place it somewhere to Aisa, or even Antartica, but definitely not to Romanai. But if you ask the same guy about Count Dracula, he would say, Oh! Transylvania!

Nyuszi

June 5th, 2007, 12:49 AM

Still I think Tirgu-Mures - Romania wouldn't mean anything more to the same imaginary guy...

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 12:57 AM

took it "BACK"??? Are you serious? Listen young nebulo. II. Géza founded this town in 1190, the first mentioning of vlach sheperds appeared in the 13th century. Erdély was the part of Hungary from 1003-1526. Then it was the Erdélyi Fejedelemség or Principality of Transilvania (János Zsigmond, Báthories, Székely Mózes, Bocskai, Bethlen, Katherine from Brandenburg, Kemény, Apafi, etc) from 1526 - 1699, from 1599 it was ruled by mihai vitaezul for 22months, you say, but Erdély remained under the temporary governing of Basta austrian general). Between 1704-1711 it was the Rákóczy uprising, from 1711-1848 and 1849-1867 direct Habsburg government from Vienna. After the Ausgleich it was the massive part of Hungarian Kingdom till 1918. You took back what and from who?????

Don t start usin' agressive and empty words, I don t really care about them, yet, I'll react immediately.

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 01:07 AM

Pre-emptively: after the fall of the Roman Empire's rule in 271, The former Dacia Trajana province was controlled by the Visigoths and Carpians until they were in turn displaced and subdued by the Huns in 376, under the leadership of Attila. After the disintegration of Attila's empire, the rules of Gepids of Avars succeeded. The region was also influenced during this period by massive Slavic migration. At the beginning of the 9th century Transylvania, along with eastern Pannonia, was incorporated into the First Bulgarian Empire followed by Magyar tribes linking it to the Principality of Hungary. The early 11th century was marked by the conflict between King Stephen I of Hungary and his maternal uncle Gyula, the ruler of Transylvania. After the defeat of the latter, Transylvania became part of the Kingdom of Hungary. The Transylvanian Roman Catholic bishopric and the comitatus system were organised. Then you all know, you read my brief history summary. NO DACO-RUMANIAN CONTINUITY. IRREAL. HOPELESS. FORGET IT. I said, you rule it now, take care of it. DOT.

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 01:18 AM

TAKE BACK WHAT FROM WHO you got it in 1920, and mainly soviet forces occupied it from the fascist Axis in 1944 Fall, after you suddenly "jumped out". TAKE BACK WHAT FROM WHO??????????????

Ataman

June 5th, 2007, 01:42 AM

I couldn't help but watch as this thread goes up in flames.

:runaway:

-Ataman

new bulgaria

June 5th, 2007, 03:19 AM

Whoah!!! This is a new fight: Hungarians vs. Romanians.

It's kind of refreshing. We are so tired of seeing Serbs bash Albanians, Greeks - Turks, Bulgarians - Macedonias, ect.

dewrob

June 5th, 2007, 03:29 AM

Whoah!!! This is a new fight: Hungarians vs. Romanians.

It's kind of refreshing. We are so tired of seeing Serbs bash Albanians, Greeks - Turks, Bulgarians - Macedonias, ect.

yeah this stuff is great :banana:

Qtya

June 5th, 2007, 08:01 AM

Yeah! FRADISTA is doin' great! :lol:

cezarsab

June 5th, 2007, 09:13 AM

It was probably built near a Roman settlement, one that would be known during the early Middle Ages as Caedonia, and may have been deserted at the time of the Saxons' arrival.
MAN!! check wikipedia...!!!!

d29

June 5th, 2007, 10:08 AM

We used to own these lands for more than two millenniums. Explain how do we speak a Latin language then? And how do we still have a few hundred Dacic words in the vocabulary? We all went to the Carribeans to learn such things and found you there when we arrived? We've jumped over the Danube from Bulgaria or how? You know, if we jumped over the Danube from Bulgaria, we should claim Bulgaria. :D

This discussion is going nowhere. The fact remains that we own Transylvania right now and you don't. You're free to visit it all you want; heck, you can all live there for all I care, I'll give you that. In fact, not only that, but I'm willing to part ways with other Romanian lands if you're so desperate. PM me if you're interested in Vaslui, Botosani, or parts of Oltenia.

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 10:21 AM

commodore

June 5th, 2007, 10:34 AM

Who invented this FRADISTA guy anyway ?
His only posts are on this tread. C'mon, give us a break !

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 10:36 AM

Vaslui, Botosani, or parts of Oltenia.

They're quite important if you look back in time ...

Stephen III of Moldavia or Stephen III (c. 1437 - July 2, 1504), also known as Stephen the Great (Romanian: Ştefan cel Mare; Ştefan cel Mare şi Sfânt, "Stephen the Great and Holy" in more modern versions) was Prince of Moldavia between 1457 and 1504 and the most prominent repesentative of the House of Muşat.

During his reign, he turned Moldavia into a strong state and maintained her independence against the ambitions of Hungary, Poland, and the Ottoman Empire, which all sought to subdue the land. Stephen achieved fame in Europe for his long resistance against the Ottomans. He was victorious in 34 of his 36 battles, and was the first to inflict a decisive victory over the Ottomans at the Battle of Vaslui, after which Pope Sixtus IV deemed him verus christianae fidei athleta (true Champion of Christian Faith). He was a man of religion and displayed his piety when he paid the debt of Mount Athos to the Porte, ensuring the continuity of Athos as an autonomous monastical community.

cezarsab

June 5th, 2007, 10:38 AM

d29 noroc!!!:cheers:
and yeah WTF??:blahblah:

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 10:39 AM

Whoah!!! This is a new fight: Hungarians vs. Romanians.

^^ We stoped fighting long time ago :nuts: ... coz we won it :cheers:

cezarsab

June 5th, 2007, 10:40 AM

RESPECT!!!

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 11:58 AM

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 12:10 PM

well, you still haven t refreshed my memory, you have written an irrelevant fact regarding to something else, so this post looks to me very empty, Hunyadi Mátyás was "quarter-rumanian" his father's father was rumanian (actually Cumanian!!!), his grandma named Morsinai Erzsébet, Hungarian, his mother was Szilágyi Erzsébet 100% Hungarian. Mátyás himself believed that he was the descendant of Sigmundus of Louxemburg (1387-1437), not Hunyadi János or "Magyar János" as for example the serbs called him. Mátyás believed he is the son of Sigmundus indicating his claim for the Holy Roman Emperor title, that he could never achieve. Actually Hunyadi János got the Hunyadvár feudum in case he had married a Hungarian nobless.

Matthias was born in the house currently known as "Matthias Corvinus House" in Kolozsvár/Klausenburg (present-day Cluj-Napoca), Transylvania- Romania, the second son of (Iancu de Hunedoara) John Hunyadi – a successful Vlach[citation needed] military leader, who had risen through the ranks of the nobility to become regent of Hungary – and Erzsébet Szilágyi, from a Hungarian noble family. The later epithet Corvinus was coined by Matthias' biographer, the Italian Antonio Bonfini, who claimed that the Hunyadi family (whose coat of arms depicts a raven—corvus in Latin) descended from the ancient Roman gens of the Corvini.

50/50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthias_Corvinus_of_Hungary

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 12:14 PM

d209: listen to me, man. I don t know your origin exactly, I just know that between the fall of the Roman rule, and the settlement of the Magyars there is 600 years when the lords of that territory were those who I written in the post #42. There aren t any written sources as evidence for your existence there. The names of the rivers and mountains are dominantly Bolgarian/Slavic. HELL YEAH you'll talk about Gesta Hungarorum - I ll explain it later, now I have to go. But fast I ll tell ya something, simple Math. The Roman occupation lasted 271-106= 165 years. The fierce dako-gethic population was SO EXTREMELY ROMANIZED, that they have an as similar language to latin as the Italian:) In Italia theoretical 753 B.C. - 476 lasted the Roman rule. (Here don t forget using '+' when calculating;)) The fact is that you have written Cyrillic till the 18th century. Actually, in Pannonia Inferior the Roman rule began in 9 B.C. and lasted till the end, the illyrians, who didn t resist the roman legions as hard as the fierce dacs, still haven t been romanized.

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 03:44 PM

FRADISTA firstly stop spreading your wings around here as you will have them cut off quicker than you can say "Romania". :bash:

Secondly your SF theory that Transilvania was empty when you arrived its not only silly and unfounded but stupid. If we were not called Romanians but Dacians during Roman wars and occupation does not mean that we're not their descendants.

also ...
The name of Romania (România) comes from Român (Romanian) which is a derivative of the word Romanus ("Roman") from Latin. The fact of Romanians calling themselves with a derivative of Romanus (Rom.: Român/Rumân) is scholarly mentioned as late as the 16th century by many authors among whom Italian Humanists travelling in Transylvania, Moldavia and Walachia. The oldest surviving document written in the Romanian language is a 1521 letter (known as "Neacsu's Letter from Câmpulung") which notifies the mayor of Braşov about the imminent attack of the Ottoman Turks. This document is also notable for having the first occurrence of "Rumanian" in a Romanian written text, Wallachia being here named The Rumanian Land - Ţeara Rumânească (Ţeara < Latin Terra = land). In the following centuries, Romanian documents use interchangeably two spelling forms: Român and Rumân. Socio-linguistic evolutions in the late 17th century lead to a process of semantic differentiation: the form "rumân", presumably usual among lower classes, got the meaning of "bondsman", while the form "român" kept an ethno-linguistic meaning. After the abolition of the serfage in 1746, the form "rumân" gradually disappears and the spelling definitively stabilises to the form "român", "românesc". The name "România" as common homeland of all Romanians is documented in the early 19th century. Many Romanians take pride in being the most eastern Romance people, completely surrounded by non-Latin peoples ("a Latin island in a Slavic sea").
In 1775, the Habsburg Monarchy annexed the northern part of Moldova, Bukovina, and the Ottoman Empire its south-eastern part, Budjak. In 1812 the Russian Empire annexed its eastern half, Bessarabia, which was partially returned by the 1856 Treaty of Paris after the Crimean War. At the end of the 19th century, the Habsburg Monarchy incorporated Transylvania into what later became the Austrian Empire. During the period of the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary (1867-1918), Romanians in Transylvania experienced a period of severe oppression under the Magyarization policies of the Hungarian government.[4]

The modern state of Romania was formed by the merging of the principalities of Moldavia and Wallachia in 1859 under the Moldavian domnitor Alexandru Ioan Cuza. He was replaced by Prince Karl of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen in 1866, who became known as Prince Carol of Romania. During the Russo-Turkish War, Romania fought on the Russian side; in the 1878 Treaty of Berlin, Romania was recognized as an independent state by the Great Powers. In return for ceding to Russia the three southern districts of Bessarabia that had been regained by Moldavia after the Crimean War in 1852, the Kingdom of Romania acquired Dobruja. In 1881, the principality was raised to a kingdom and Prince Carol became King Carol I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania

Greater Romania
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2954/62806079uh5.png (http://imageshack.us)

see Dacia ...
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4349/97127976qw5.png (http://imageshack.us)

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 03:45 PM

nebunul: you are right. During the middle ages, the court historicians or poets, chronicle-writers of the emperors were especially fond of having their own or their kings' origin shown as descendants of great people, to legitimize their rule, to get them accepted in the eyes of the numerous humanists in the court or just because of sympathy. This historical mistification lacked documentology. Even nowadays, Saddam claimed his ancestors were from the ahl al-bayt (the House of the Prophet). I cannot take renaissance scholars serious when Galeotto Marzio (also from the court of Mátyás) identified the Magyars with the 'pannons' who lived in Pannonia Inferior and P. Superior, thought Kassa comes from Cassius or Buda from Buddha. Zrínyi Miklós wrote from Hunyadi "had he lived in the Roman Empire, he would have been given Juppiter the God as ancestor, because noone could derive from humans, who had done such noble deeds." (my translation). The fact that Mátyás was born in Kolozsvár/Klausenburg/Cluj-Napoca doesn t mean anything, it s like if we thought Moses was an Egyptian Arab because now it belongs to Egypt, or Albert Camus as Algerian, sorry I couldn t find better examples.

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 04:06 PM

"FRADISTA firstly stop spreading your wings around here as you will have them cut off quicker than you can say "Romania"." is this a threat in a thread or what?:D:D:D I thought when I registered, this is a serious page for attributes of architecture and discussion, NOW HAVIN YOUR HAMMER-HITTIN ANIMATION SEEN, HAVIN YOUR FIRST SENTENCE READ NOW I SEE IT S A CABARET-PAGE WITH CLOWNS, OR A COMEDY OF ERRORS (Shakespeare). Threatin me via internet behind your monitor :D:D:D. But when I read your facts from daco-rumanian continuity, I felt deja vu when I had read Grimm or Andersen, or when my parents told me stories about Santa when I was 5. Actually I m grown up, and still watch 2001 Space Odissey, or Starship Troopers, Sci-Fi.
"firstly"-good word, though:D:D:D

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 04:18 PM

I won t start disprovin your fairy tale (I wonder when you'll start writin about dragons and dwarfs, though:) ) THE FACT THAT YOUR HISTORY SUMMARY's FIRST 1/12 part (3 sentences roughly) sums up 1500 years and the rest 11/12 sums up 500 years is quite entertaining and comical, it speaks for itself, send it to Hollywood as a screenplay, perhaps James Belushi will play the role of Decebal.

nebunul

June 5th, 2007, 05:00 PM

We're a civilised nation. We invite you all to visit and enjoy Romania, Transilvania. :cheers:

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 05:02 PM

FRADISTA

June 5th, 2007, 05:08 PM

Anyway could anybody tell me something about the giant Greek-Orthodoxian Basilica in Arad, has it already been finished? I saw it in the late '90-s, it hadn t been finished yet then, I would really appreciate some photos too, if ya'll peeps got some.

Dondonel

June 6th, 2007, 02:50 PM

d29 has written the overwhelming number of ancient dac words in the present Rumanian. How do you explain the total absence of german (gothic/gepida) words in the present Rumanaian although they ruled Transilvania in the 5. and 6. century??? There is a major part of Slavic words in the Hungarian, that proves the common symbiosis of the Magyars and Slavs in the 9-10th century, but NONE from (direct) vlach!!! Ultimately, one of your linguistics, Alexandru de Cihac established, that the words in Rumanian are 45,7% Slavic, 31,52% Latin, 8,4% Turkish, 7% Greek, 6% Magyar, 0,6% Albanian - you are the relatives of the balkanian aromuns.

What fine example of misinformation! Only 20% of present day Romanian words are of Slavic origin, but most of them are archaisms, that nobody understands without a dictionary. Only half of those words of slavic origin were learnt in school through literature so that an average romanian could know their meaning. Overall, around 5% of the Romanian vocabulary in everyday use is of Slavic origin, which is nowhere near the 50% you're quoting there.

Alexandru de Cihac is a linguist that lived 200 years ago, one of the pioneers in this area, with limited resources for investigation at hand. His conclusions were most likely incorrect even for the Romanian language 200 years ago, and of course they have nothing to do with the modern Romanian language. Old Slavonic was used at that time in church and had some limited use in administration, this is why Slavonic words were considered part of the Romanian language, simply because some segments of the society were using them. But they did not enter the vocabulary of the ordinary Romanians. Most of those Slavic words of limited use were replaced in mid 19th century with imports from French, Italian, German (and nowadays from English).

So forget about this nonsense the nationalists will serve you daily, learn Romanian and make some friends here, don't be a puppet in the hands of some worthless politician.

cezarsab

June 6th, 2007, 02:55 PM

some body new with info.!!!
gooood
NOROC bine ai venit si tu!
man romanian are INVADING
don't forget to vote in roll call 2007

Dondonel

June 6th, 2007, 03:15 PM

Salut Cezar, Romania trebuie sa aiba o voce si aici :) sau mai multe ;)

cezarsab

June 6th, 2007, 03:35 PM

da frate asa trebuie..peste tot in lume!

nebunul

June 7th, 2007, 02:59 PM

Tell ya what, The first use of electricity in present-day Romania, and the first power line in Southeastern Europe was in 1896, under the rumanian rule, right?:) It was the second city in Europe to use an electric-powered trolley, first in 1904, again under the rumanian rule:) The fact is that tha Austro-Hungarian Empire was the soil for the complishing so great process, that the whole region had never seen before.

^^ :bash:
When it comes to engineering (no offence) we have not got much competition ...

1906
Traian Vuia was the first to design and pilot a heavier-than-air flying machine able to take off without a catapult by entirely relying on it's own engine.

1910
on Cotroceni field, near Bucharest, Aurel Vlaicu made the first public demonstration by flying his own designed and built airplane.

1912
another young and talented Romanian engineer named Henry Coanda designed the first jet aircraft, thus anticipating by more than 30 years the first commercial applications of the jet engine.

1920
the French-Romanian Company For Air Navigation (CFRNA) was founded. Using French-built POTEZ aircraft, the company provided passenger, mail and cargo transportation, by air, from Paris to Bucharest, via Strasbourg, Prague, Vienna and Budapest. In other words, the CFRNA was the first operative Trans-continental airline in the history of aviation!

Anyway .. Arad Orthodox Cathedral as requested ...:cheers:
http://www.proarad.ro/catedrala/photos.html
^^ I do not like it :bash:

jazapp

June 7th, 2007, 03:34 PM

Wooohooo, I just wonder why every second EE thread turns into flamewar? Funny read nevertheless.:cheers:

VelesHomais

June 8th, 2007, 02:13 AM

Nice thread (initially). That city is breathtaking! Wow!

As to Hungarians and Romanians fighting here... we all feel that our version of history is right and that others are using xenophobic propaganda against us. This is how everyone in EE feels. There's no point arguing about it.

But if it gets dirty, I got your back, Romanians :D ;) no offense Hungarians

FRADISTA

June 8th, 2007, 03:29 AM

4 sure, man, you like the territorial integrity of European countries, this is why you are down with Romanians, no problem with that. But it's not about that, f**k nationalism, this thread is about something totally different - actually I m responsible too, for havin taken it that way. This thread was made by this Qtya fella-Hungarian to introduce an endangered ethnic Hungarian minotity east from the Carpathians, livin basically in-around Kóstelek, who not only have got broken away from Hungary, but from the homogene Hungarian populated Hargita- judetul (now) as well. These peole are doubly TRAPPED, because they can t even belong to the Hungarian majority Székelyföld (Harghita, Covasna, Mures), they stuck in the Rumanian majority Bacau county, doubly outside boarders, without native language education, government help, without possibilities to work, hospital or health provision, secondary school, and sh*t like these, you knowmsayin? Their only tie with the outside world is a rumanian town named Ágas (Agas) one and a half hour away to the East (!!!) from where the main road goes back to Székelyföld (the named counties above) approx. 2-2,5 hour back to the West (this is mountaineous territory). So this village and it s surrounding territory is DROWNED. The old men won t go anywhere away, the young try to find work in Székelyföld, the youngest can only learn their mother language after normal schooltime facultatively thanks to a young Hungarian couple, who do it (naturally) for free. But they still keep their traditions, still have strong identity, still want to remain on their homeland, since generations and decades.

FRADISTA

June 8th, 2007, 03:34 AM

NEBUNUL you talk about inventions and engineering, now check this one out: ballpoint pen was invented by a Hungarian, Bíró László. (safe-)firematches (Irinyi János) helicopter (Asbóth Oszkár) computer (Neumann János) C-vitamin or ascorbic acid (Szent-Györgyi Albert) automatic gearbox in cars (Bíró László) sodawater and dinamo (Jedlik Ányos) torpedo (Luppis János)
fire extinguisher (Szilvay Kornél), atomic reactor (Wigner Jenő), atomic and hidrogenic bomb (Teller Ede) wind- and watermill (Verancsics Faustus) oscilloscope (Gábor Dénes) Earth-Moon radar (Bay Zoltán)were all-all invented by Hungarians. Franz Liszt and Bartók Béla were Hungarian componists. Doe-rae-me in music was invented by Kodály. Puskás Ferenc -may God rest his soul- and the Golden Team of 1954 was Hungarian.

Ataman

June 8th, 2007, 05:33 AM

Franz Liszt and Bartók Béla were Hungarian componists. Doe-rae-me in music was invented by Kodály. Puskás Ferenc -may God rest his soul- and the Golden Team of 1954 was Hungarian.

None of these were inventors, but the rest are quite true.

-Ataman

Just M

June 8th, 2007, 09:18 AM

(without native language education, government help, without possibilities to work, hospital or health provision, secondary school, and sh*t like these) - btw those are common problems for everyone who live there (hungarians, romanians, etc), and not only there which is a verry sad thing. About native language education, let`s be serious they are free to do it and they have the legal support for that. Come on everybody knows that ethnical minorityes in Romania have soo many rights, rigts that romanians don`t have in another countryes as ethical minority.
"who not only have got broken away from Hungary" - personaly I don`t like how you sayd that. I have soo many hungarian ethnic friends , peoples I grow up with, and tis is not just my oppinion we are all equals here. It`s time to live this sh**`s behind, becouse we have a great future toghether in front of us.
Excuse my english I haven`t use it from quite a while.
Regards.

Ataman

June 8th, 2007, 05:30 PM

Qtya

June 8th, 2007, 06:12 PM

nebunul

June 8th, 2007, 07:11 PM

Obviously you did not get my point: you guys started to somehow suggest that most achievements in Romania (Transilvania ) were because of Austro-Hungary - statement which stinks. I gave you only FEW examples of technical inventions to prove the opposite: bash:

NEBUNUL you talk about inventions and engineering, now check this one out: ballpoint pen was invented by a Hungarian, Bíró László

^^
BTW 1827 - A Romanian invented the fountain pen 80 years before "your" ball pen :lol: :banana:

nebunul

June 8th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Just M,

A few months ago, I read a few interviews of both Transylvanian Romanians and Hungarians, and they share similar opinions to what you have posted. I know for a fact that Transylvanian Romanians and Hungarians are much more tolerant towards each other than those who have barely lived there. Those living outside of Transylvania on the other hand, are ignorant on how things are run, and tend to start flamewars/ultranationalistic comments.

And I have heard of a new form of patriotism rising: being Transylvanian rather than Romanian/Hungarian.

So the ethnicity problem isn't really as big as it seems. Transylvania will never become another Kosovo.

-Ataman

^^ You think you're smart in the way you twist the sentences ... :nuts: :)
There is no such think as "Transylvanian Romanians" and "Transylvanian Hungarians"; just stick it up your small brains ... and all the bulshit you've been trying in order to give the imppresion of a separate region ... well its not; its Transilvania just a part of Romania ... inhabited by Romanians only - some of them by Hungarian or German origin ... but ROMANIANS .. CAPITO ?!?!?! :lol: :nuts:

Or, sorry, maybe you're just not informed properly ... well, I've just updated you :nuts:

FRADISTA

June 9th, 2007, 12:36 AM

nebunull: Don t make me nervous, mate, you know what you are sayin is incorrect, as well as I do. 1990.03.19 Marosvásárhely was the fine example of no Transilbanian rumans and no Erdélyi magyarok, just romanians. ridiculous theory. When the 'not- Transilbanian rumans' hit the eye out of Sütő András, the author of books written in the spirit of peace, that tried to explain the two nations have to accept eachother, live on that territory peacefully because life is shorter than to live it off dissin each other. These stupid mob was like: where is that Hungarian Bolyai to hit??? The mathematics genious lived in the 19th century, we all know:):):) These aberrated IQ50 farmers were brought to Marosvásárhely to make the circus. Long after wwII, after ceausescu, after the 89 revolution (helped and co-started in Temesvár by the Hungarian bishop, Tőkés.) during Iliescu. It s you who are in advantage, you have a large Hungarian minority, you got Transilvania as territory, and still you get nervous when it s about the neutral pro-peace comments of this lonely Ataman peace-humanrights activist.. come on, man, you are drunk or what? Plus your sentence you guys started to somehow suggest that most achievements in Romania (Transilvania ) were because of Austro-Hungary - statement which stinks. I gave you only FEW examples of technical inventions to prove the opposite: bash:
BTW 1827 - A Romanian invented the fountain pen 80 years before "your" ball pen
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number one: oh, I see them, you gave me a FEW examples I'm still HARDLY WAITIN FOR ANOTHER ONE:):):) number 2: who said this, look back, wasn t this kind'a Freudic slip of tongue ?????:):):):) hihi number three which is more modern, which mechanism is used (till) nowadays dominantly, rumainain fountain pen or Bíró's ball pen?:):):) Actually, when the doctor next week subscripts you Cavinton medicine (against amnesia) with a ball pen in his/her hand, don't forget about me dude ( I know it is done via computer now, but you understand my irony), and think about this thread, and the things you have written unprovocated, don't get paranoid again.

Qtya

June 9th, 2007, 02:02 AM

mode55

June 9th, 2007, 02:14 AM

Man this is bullshit! You guys post a thread about some hungarians living in Moldavia wich by the way is Moldova and post pictures of some city with romanian people selling cheese from Transilvania, this is God damn BUllSHIt.You hungarians can't just ever stop this nonsense?You know we have a huge population of german settlers too, but we never have had any problems with them.And on the other hand we respect the hungarians in Romania, they even have their own party, and romanian people even vote for them. Also there are lots and lots of mixed marriages, so when you guys come up with crap like that you're only going to create problems.

Rascian

June 9th, 2007, 02:23 AM

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mode55

June 9th, 2007, 02:29 AM

Rascian

June 9th, 2007, 02:29 AM

^^ You think you're smart in the way you twist the sentences ... :nuts: :)
There is no such think as "Transylvanian Romanians" and "Transylvanian Hungarians"; just stick it up your small brains ... and all the bulshit you've been trying in order to give the imppresion of a separate region ... well its not; its Transilvania just a part of Romania ... inhabited by Romanians only - some of them by Hungarian or German origin ... but ROMANIANS .. CAPITO ?!?!?! :lol: :nuts:

Or, sorry, maybe you're just not informed properly ... well, I've just updated you :nuts:

I think your point is very wrong... It's called "forced assimilation"..
Hungarian living in Romania are ethnic Hungarians, and also Romanian citizens.
nothing else..

You have to make a difference between ethnic identity (cultural identity) and citizenship ( or legal identity of an indivual)..
Those are historical autochtonic minorities ( some of them were maybe even majority before in history)... They left behind them a lot of heritage and culture and were creating what's today Transilvania...
Nobody is questioning the teritorial integrity of Romania but you have to respect the past and history... that made Romania a multicultural, multiconfessional, multiethnic country...
It can't be the same case as in America... where everyone are American ( of Irish, Jewish, Italian..whatever origin)..
Romanians in Serbia are Romanian ,citizens of Serbia... having their language, churches, schools... The Romanian language is official on the teritory of Vojvodina province.. although Romanians are making just some 2 or 2.5 % of its population...
I hope it could be the same situation with Serbs living in the Romanian part of Banat...

Rascian

June 9th, 2007, 03:37 AM

^^ Yes, I agree, but you don't see the romanians in serbia claiming serbian teritory as being theirs.The only ones doing that all over eastern europe are the hugarians, including, Slovakia, having some friends who told me that.
P.S The mexicans are calling the gypsys, hungaros, anyone would know why would they do that?

The Hungarians don't want teritory, they just want an affirmation of their identity, culture and history..
Maybe some of them are dreaming of the Greater Hungary, but I'm sure it's just a minority of Hungarian people..

mode55

June 9th, 2007, 05:59 AM

The Hungarians don't want teritory, they just want an affirmation of their identity, culture and history..
Maybe some of them are dreaming of the Greater Hungary, but I'm sure it's just a minority of Hungarian people..

And you're making this stipulation becouse.... I don't know you're a fortune teller.You're swimming in deep waters.And plus "I wouldn't want to be the referee between 2 rabid dogs" (chinese proverb from the region of Chen Zu BanChi in the south east corner of China) .No , I just came up with that.:jk:

nebunul

June 9th, 2007, 10:34 AM

The Hungarians don't want teritory, they just want an affirmation of their identity, culture and history..
Maybe some of them are dreaming of the Greater Hungary, but I'm sure it's just a minority of Hungarian people..

^^ But Romania is an example for whole Europe on how its minorities are treated ... can you accept this ? Minorities in Romania have more rights than in France for instance. Ethnic Hungarians have been part of governing body since the fall of communism.

BTW I hope things have changed since I went to Gheorgieni (small town in RO) last time. I got in to a shop and asked for bread in Romanian and I was answered no (nem tudom) in Hungarian. It was not very nice : bash:

commodore

June 9th, 2007, 10:59 AM

^^ But Romania is an example for whole Europe on how its minorities are treated ... can you accept this ? Minorities in Romania have more rights than in France for instance. Ethnic Hungarians have been part of governing body since the fall of communism.

BTW I hope things have changed since I went to Gheorgieni (small town in RO) last time. I got in to a shop and asked for bread in Romanian and I was answered no (nem tudom) in Hungarian. It was not very nice : bash:

No unfortunatly nothing has changed. I had similar experience last month, in Odorheiu Secuiesc(Romania). Although they understand romanian they preffer to say "nem todom"

d29

June 9th, 2007, 01:24 PM

Not only do Hungarians get all that good stuff, but the 16 largest minorities get a member chosen by themselves in the parliament as well. Thus, even minorities with no more than a few thousand people get their voice heard out. Compare that to how Romanian minorities get treated and you'll figure it out all by yourself that we give more rights than we actually get from others. We're quite naive, I must say.

I once read this fragment from Emil Cioran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_Cioran)'s book, "History and Utopia", where he put this issue very well:

"Letter to a Faraway Friend" - opening chapter

"Born beyond the Carpathians, you could not know the Hungarian
policeman, terror of my Transylvanian childhood. When I so much as
glimpsed one from afar, I was panic-stricken and ran away: he was
the alien, the enemy; to hate was to hate HIM. Because of him, I
abhorred all Hungarians with a truly Magyar passion. In other
words, they INTERESTED me.

Subsequently, the circumstances having changed, I no longer had any
reason to hate them. But the fact remains that long afterward I
could not imagine an oppressor without evoking THEIR defects, THEIR
glories. Who rebels, who rises in arms? Rarely the slave, but
almost always the oppressor turned slave. The Hungarians know
tyranny at close range, having wielded it with an incomparable
proficiency: the minorities of the old monarchy could testify to
that. Because they were so gifted, in their past, in the role of
masters, they have been, in our own day, less disposed than any
other nation of central Europe to endure slavery; if they had a
talent for fiat, how could they fail to have one for freedom?
Strong in their tradition as per persecutors, accustomed to the
mechanism of subjugation and intolerance, they have risen against a
regime that has its similarities to the one they themselves had
reserved for other peoples.

But we, dear friend, not having had the occasion, hitherto, of being
oppressors, cannot now have that of being rebels. Deprived of this
double fortune, we bear our chains dutifully, and it would scarcely
be gracious of me to deny the virtues of our discretion, the
nobility of our servitude, while admitting nonetheless that the
excesses of our modesty impel us to disturbing extremes; so much
discretion exceeds all limits; it is so disproportionate that it
sometimes manages to discourage me. I envy, then, the arrogance of
our neighbors, I envy even their language ...."

Ataman

June 9th, 2007, 05:38 PM

But Romania is an example for whole Europe on how its minorities are treated ... can you accept this ? Minorities in Romania have more rights than in France for instance. Ethnic Hungarians have been part of governing body since the fall of communism.

Romania is doing good, but it could be better. Take a look at Helsinki... a bilingual city only because swedes make up 2% of the population.

-Ataman

nebunul

June 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM

^^
No unfortunatly nothing has changed. I had similar experience last month, in Odorheiu Secuiesc(Romania). Although they understand romanian they preffer to say "nem todom"

^^ @Ataman
Shouldn't minorities do better than this also?!

Ataman

June 9th, 2007, 06:07 PM

You cannot generalize Hungarian minority based on a few unpleasant encounters, the same way I try not to generalize Romanian forumers based on a few unpleasant posts.

-Ataman

nebunul

June 9th, 2007, 06:25 PM

^^ Yep but I can not ignore it also ...

Ataman

June 9th, 2007, 06:26 PM

It is rude of them to refuse speaking Romanian, I agree.

-Ataman

FRADISTA

June 10th, 2007, 08:08 PM

Mode55 :applause: NEXT TIME DON T GIVE ME UP THE BALL THIS HIGH (it gives evidence of dumbness) I MUST HIT IT DOWN UNMERCIFULLY. You start jokin or I don t really know what with mentioning gipsies (you are racist or what?:mad: :mad: ) mentioning gipsies WITH THA BIGGEST ROMA MINORITY POPULATION IN THE WHOLE WORLD/GLOBE/UNIVERSE. Look wikipedia right now, it s an order, you started to be silly and mentioning them, so look it up: estimated 1,800.000-2,500.000 (some sources even say 4,500.000!!!!!) gipsies in Rumania.
PLUS: you are so sensitive to word ethimology, aren't ya, then look their name officially, Rom, Romani, etc, not Hungaro:) PLUS: I didn t know gipsies were called Hungaro in Mexico, but I accept this, it s obvious that they continued their trip from the territory of the Hungarian Kingdom sometime back in the 15-16th century, this is why they have been identified as or they claimed themselves to be hungaros. Big deal.
to nebunul and commodore: please apologize these rude encounters to answer your question in Hungarian, when they make up
96.7% of the population in Székelyudvarhely, and
87.6% are Székely Hungarians (2002 census) in Gyergyószentmiklós - Gheorgheni. Perhaps it was only UNUSUAL to them hearing your question, or simply it was more comfortable for 'em to answer in Hungarian, without offense. There it is said that only the cops, force of arms and the militia are rumanian, only they speak rumanian when talking. to d29: sorry I have stereotypes against reading the chapter of this emil cioran formerly hitlerist nazi then wanna-be communist weather-cock.

FRADISTA

June 10th, 2007, 08:26 PM

"You know we have a huge population of german settlers too" - written by Mode55. This huge population is now an estimated 0,28% of the total population. 1956: 384,708. 1977: 359,109.!!! 1992: 111,301.!!!! 2002: 59,764 !!!!!. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM??? Their giant population has been reducated to the actual (only) huge population, according to your theory. Ceausescu sold them for the BDR for mark millions, like hostages, that happened.

Ataman

June 10th, 2007, 08:35 PM

Fradista, I think that is enough.

-Ataman

commodore

June 10th, 2007, 10:10 PM

I see nothing but frustration.
C'mon fradista, you seem to be the last hungarian that can't stand for reality. Even ataman has understood it's useless to argue against history. Face it. We have here some freak nationalist ,WC Tudor by his name, and believe, when I read your lines I strongly retain myself not to compare you with him.

Ataman

June 10th, 2007, 10:25 PM

C'mon fradista, you seem to be the last hungarian that can't stand for reality.

Now that is unnecessary. Posts like these ignite flamewars and hatred.

-Ataman

commodore

June 11th, 2007, 01:40 PM

Now that is unnecessary. Posts like these ignite flamewars and hatred.

-Ataman

...and post like this...

emil cioran formerly hitlerist nazi then wanna-be communist weather-cock

...brings love and harmony ! :bash:

I had enough !

Somebody should close this shit

mode55

June 12th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Can I say something despite all the insults from each side, I've been in Hungary back in the day,and I never got better treatment from anybody in any other country I've been, everyone I met was nice, I ended up in some military camp couse I crossed the border Illegally (long story) in the city of Sopron, they treated us like kings, everywere we went and I told them I was romanian, they treated me very well.So since then I do respect them very much even though I made some stupid remarks, then on the other hand I have no idea why in the hell would gypsys call themselfs romas it's TZIGANI they call themselfs romas since like 1992 or so, for I don't know what reason.And you call me a racist , well no , but there are some fact that gypsys are what they are I grew up with some of them in my neighborhood and they were filthy pigs.That's a FACT not racism.And then again the fact is that you guys wrote up there that this is about some town in Moldova and it actually is about Sibiu, Transilvania, a sensitive subject.

MasonicStage™

June 14th, 2007, 10:15 PM

nice photo thread! ;)

Qtya

June 15th, 2007, 10:54 AM

nice photo thread! ;)

Thx! :okay: ;)

FRADISTA

June 16th, 2007, 05:54 AM

f**k tha circumstances, affairs, rivals opinion.. europeace one Europe.

FRADISTA

June 16th, 2007, 05:59 AM

MINT A ZÚGÓ FERGETEG, FELTÁMAD, S FELTÖR AZ ÉGBE, ÚGY TÖR ELŐRE A FERENCVÁROS KELET-EURÓPA SZÍVÉBE, 90 PERCNYI KÜZDELEM, MEGÉRDEMELT A GYŐZELEM, ÉS A DOBOGÓ LEGTETEJÉN, A BAJNOK ZÁSZLÓ.. ZÖLD-FEHÉR!!!

Czas na Żywiec

June 16th, 2007, 05:48 PM

^^ Yes, I agree, but you don't see the romanians in serbia claiming serbian teritory as being theirs.The only ones doing that all over eastern europe are the hugarians, including, Slovakia, having some friends who told me that.
P.S The mexicans are calling the gypsys, hungaros, anyone would know why would they do that?

Nice try. The spanish word for gypsy is gitano. Hungaro doesn't exist in Spanish. :nuts:

Czas na Żywiec

June 16th, 2007, 05:50 PM

PLUS: I didn t know gipsies were called Hungaro in Mexico, but I accept this

Don't worry, they're not.

Czas na Żywiec

June 16th, 2007, 05:53 PM

I always thought Romanians and Hungarians loved each other. Sad to hear I was wrong. :ohno:

nebunul

June 16th, 2007, 05:57 PM

^^ We do love each other ... but we love them more as we're on top usually: lol:

commodore

June 16th, 2007, 06:11 PM

^^ :lol:

mode55

June 16th, 2007, 08:01 PM

^^ :cheers1: :rofl: Chiar ca esti nebun , trei' sa te inchida astia si sa arunce cheia.

Yörch

June 16th, 2007, 08:13 PM

P.S The mexicans are calling the gypsys, hungaros, anyone would know why would they do that?

Hi! We call often and mistakenly "Hungaros" (hungarians) to the gypsies because the first of them to arrive into Mexico came from Hungary. This was at the 16th century, so for a long time the only hungarians we knew were the gypsies... ;)

Czas na Żywiec

June 16th, 2007, 08:22 PM

Hi! We call often and mistakenly "Hungaros" (hungarians) to the gypsies because the first of them to arrive into Mexico came from Hungary. This was at the 16th century, so for a long time the only hungarians we knew were the gypsies... ;)

Ha, you learn something new everyday. I've only heard of gitano, never hungaro.

FRADISTA

June 25th, 2007, 03:33 PM

1/no, you do not love us. You call the native Hungarians 'bozgor' homeless, and you treat them like secondary citizens even sometimes in the present. But when it comes to sport, you all-all love Violeta Szekely, Gabriela Szabo, Ecaterina Szabo, Tibor Selymes, Ladislau Boloni, Jenei Imre for just mentioning the '90s. 2/you were "usually on top", what do you mean, please explain.

nebunul

June 25th, 2007, 04:21 PM

^^ You’ve seen too many SF movies :lol:. We treat them as no difference to others. After all they are Romanian citizens of Hungarian origins. I am Romanian of Hungarian origins myself (my surname is Hungarian). So stop your nationalistic crap.:bash: We, Romanians of all origins live in peace in our beautiful country. Full stop. :cheers:

nebunul

June 25th, 2007, 04:25 PM

2/you were "usually on top", what do you mean, please explain.

^^ I'll come and show you ... do not bother guessing :lol:

FRADISTA

June 25th, 2007, 04:33 PM

I suddenly became EVEN MORE AND MORE CURIOUS:guns1: :baeh3:

FRADISTA

June 25th, 2007, 04:34 PM

...CURIOUS AS F**K

Verso

June 25th, 2007, 06:50 PM

Be sure you show us here! :lol:

AnonymvsBeaver

July 1st, 2007, 09:57 PM

Just want to point out that you're lucky to have taken land that had been ruled by Austria-Hungary and to have a Hungarian minority.. If you only knew what minorities other Balkan countries had....:lol:

nebunul

July 1st, 2007, 10:00 PM

wyqtor

July 1st, 2007, 11:28 PM

Well it seems this thread is on fire! :bash: And it all started because people don't show enough respect for others who speak another language. Instead they insist on using place names that aren't to be found on any map (except Cartographia ones ;) ). Note: Cartographia is a geographic institute from Hungary.

I don't understand why you Hungarians insist on using names no one else knows and easily recognizes, like Nagyszében. If I were a Japanese tourist visiting this thread, I would never find it on any maps of Romania not made by Cartographia. Is it so hard to spell Sibiu (pronounced like "Szibiu" with accent on the last i)? That's what the city is officially called. The Italians bother me too in this regard: "Monaco" = München? "Augusta" = Augsburg? "Colonia" = Köln?

Someone said that we Romanians use Seghedin and Jula. FALSE! I would NEVER use such names for Hungarian cities! I live 18 km away from the border and no one I know calls them like that. They sound just fine Szeged and Gyula, not some silly invented Romanian name - I would expect the same courtesy from our Hungarian friends!

If you really want to persist in this and don't think it's wrong and unfair to us non-Hungarians, you should also say and write Új Jórk, Csíkagó, Los-Ándzselesz, Sziátel, Szídni, Melbörn, ...

As for Trianon, it is history. And we all know that, fair or not, history is written by the victors. We just happened to be on their side.

wyqtor

July 1st, 2007, 11:51 PM

Okay, that being said, I really don't know much about the Csangó minority (notice how I don't use "ceangai", because they don't exactly use that name to describe themselves - much like the inhabitants of Sibiu probably don't like to call themselves "Nagyszébeners" or something equivalent :D ). Do the Csangó speak a different dialect of Hungarian?

I really feel sorry for them and other people living in Romania's remote villages, especially in Moldova - they are probably stuck there, not being able to afford to move to the more expensive cities. I really hope things get better now that we're part of the EU.

nebunul

July 2nd, 2007, 12:03 AM

^^ bla bla bla. What has Moldova to do with this ?!

cezarsab

July 2nd, 2007, 05:45 PM

ohhhh god i left for 2 weeks and this is not over !!! god expect the reality ALL

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 02:25 PM

the funny shit is that a nation like yours, who claim even Russian-inhabited parts of Moldavia Rumanian, and - naturally - use the rumanian names for those cities and localities, get so upset when it s about the naming of some more than 1000years old Hungarian cities. How come?? The writing of Vyktor - anyway written with good intent and peaceful tone - contains errors and false parallels. Why shouldn t people call a city lwhatever want to? Hungarians call Sibiu Nagyszeben Nagyszeben so what? 1: It regards to them, and they don t care as well if somebody calls Balaton Plattensee, and yes, the German tourist will find the Lake Balaton, even though it is not written out. 2: It will not cause misunderstandings because maps are made by a nation for a nation, in their language, precisely informing due to all circumstances, plus the universal maps show all the names. 3: I actually don t get why you make so big problem when a city is named differently, how do you like it when it's written not only in another language BUT A DIFFERENT ALPHABET???:):):) SEE, your whole list and parallel comes meaningless. There you go. You wouldn t make so big problem about seeing Nagyszeben written down in Chinese or Korean calligraphy, only when it s written down in Hungarian, don t cha..:) - in contrary, disproving myself, actually you don t like Chisinau written down with Cyrillic either:)
4:Using national names for cities has been a common habit since a long time, AC Mailand, Juventus Turin, FC Cologne - you were right with your comparison here (actually not only Italians do this) even though perhaps these names have historical-related reasons, and there aren t any significant German population in Milano, nor in Torino. What if Hungarians use Hungarian names, because THERE IS Hungarian population living there, besides historical-related reasons? And yes, you can comfortably use Jula for Gyula (5% Rumanians livin there, but noone disputes Jula name), Michereci for Méhkerék or Aleac for Elek. Go on! Gheorhieni is 90% Hungarian, it should be called Hungarian. 5: In countries - where the historical conditions were better than in our region, like Finnland or Alsace-Lorraine or Alto Adige, this would NEVER BE A PROBLEM. In those places there is BILINGUALISM, not goddamned arguement about who calls a f**kin city how and when... 6:how do ya deal with common nicknames for cities, huh? The Big apple - everybody knows it s about Manhattan, or the City of Light - Paris. 7:Naming a city differently can not only stand on ethnic grounds but age, sociological factors, sometimes groups of friends, companies have their own names for territories or places as well, just for their usage. You challenge these names too, just because they are not 'official'?

As for the provocative post of nebunul, I don t want to waste time reacting again on it, I have done it on this thread earlier several times.

I do understand cezarsab attacking this thread on the same reasons why your eyes hurt when you see Nagyszeben or Nagyvárad, etc. you know why.

nebunul

July 4th, 2007, 02:44 PM

^^ Fadista ... come and visit Romania. Romanians of all backgrounds live in peace in this beautiful country. As I said it before I have got Hungarian roots and surname myself but my country is Romania and I am and always be ... Romanian :cheers:

pt82

July 4th, 2007, 02:45 PM

I hate when Hungarians call Bratislava "Pozsóny".
Why are you doing that?

nebunul

July 4th, 2007, 02:48 PM

^^ Only the Hungarian ignorants do this .. ignore them … :nuts:

Marek.kvackaj

July 4th, 2007, 03:42 PM

I hate when Hungarians call Bratislava "Pozsóny".
Why are you doing that?

btw > I find that rather funny- "Pozsóny"

pescarush

July 4th, 2007, 03:43 PM

why do hungarians speak on they re language sincronising actor voices in foreign movies?!...
i think it s a matter of respect, not to mention hungarians are too lazy to learn, speak and think! big asses hungarians:bash: :lol:

but there is a but: that s the way they are, i think every culture has it s own good and bad things.

i will always make jokes on hungarians though i live, work, having fun with them.

so just shut up and let s be good neighbours.

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 05:00 PM

pt82: mate, don t be crazy, and please write another post so I can decide whether you are nationalistic or simply dumb. Pozsony was the capital of the Hungarian Kingdom. I know, slovaks have a natural disposition to pick out events out of the context of time and space.. this makes it possible for them to select a phase from Hungarian history and create a Slovakian cycle of events out of it. For an example, the word Bratislava, which word -generally known - exists since the slovakian becoming-a-nation process started in the 19th century, is used with great fond referring to events of the Middle Ages:) The sentences like "In 1536, Bratislava (sic!!!) became the capital of the Hungarian Kingdom" or "Leopold the II. was crowned in Bratislava" are as absurd and unhistorical as saying "The history of Budapest during the Roman Empire" or "Hannibal was Tunesian" or... wait..yes, "Asterix and Obelix were French". These are kind and funny, but also dangerous. They can involve even the unbiased and friendly slovakians in statements that are insulting for hungarian ear, so this is why slovakian (like everywhere around the world) historists have a really big responsibility, when shaping the common knowledge through education.

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 05:26 PM

for nebunul- Hungary-Rumania waterpolo Worldleague, group starts in 4 minutes, let's see, who's on top:hahaha: :hahaha: :D :D
m))
(this was off-topic I know, as well as suddenly mentioning Pozsony here in this thread.)

kokpit

July 4th, 2007, 06:26 PM

True is that till 1918 there was no Bratislava but only Pressburg (in German) and Poszóny (in Hungarian), Slovaks called it usually Prešporok (derived from Pressburg) but they formed only about 10% of population there. Same with Košice (Kassa in Hungarian).
History of Bratislava is quite interesting in this regard, it was always multicultural city, Germans, German Jews and Hungarians formed majority there for centuries, but thanks to WWI it become part of Czechoslovakia when Czechoslovak legions took over it, most of its original population left the city after that (for example Albert Szent-Györgyi, Hungarian Nobel prize holder) and now it's capital of Slovakia.

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 06:49 PM

kokpit thanks for your thorough and objective historical summary:okay:
as for the match: 16-10 only:@:@ we should have won by more, 8 or 10, like usually:evil: :mad: :mad:

pt82

July 4th, 2007, 07:39 PM

^^ :)

OK. So here is the story:
I was driving on Budapest - Vienna highway and noticed that there is no Bratislava exit. There is only Pozsony exit in Hungary. I believe there are some people that dont know what Pozsony means and are trying to get to Bratislava.
:cheers:

maybe there is dual sign, not sure about it now

Qtya

July 4th, 2007, 08:02 PM

pt82

July 4th, 2007, 08:14 PM

Personaly I think 70-75% of the Hungarian populatian have no idea what Bratislava is... Noone uses that name in Hungary.

Wow, that is interesting.

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 08:19 PM

Life is full of surprises. :)

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 08:20 PM

Anyway, I think it is written out like this on the motorways: Pozsony (SK) for those, who recognize their country's car-abbrevation.

nebunul

July 4th, 2007, 08:23 PM

pt82

July 4th, 2007, 08:27 PM

^^ ...They used to rule big country, and then they lost the war in 1918. Empire was divided, 1000 years of occupation have ended...

i would be also kinda upset with that.:cheers:

Verso

July 4th, 2007, 08:33 PM

What I see in this thread, is bunch of nationalists.

I hate when Hungarians call Bratislava "Pozsóny".
Why are you doing that?Why do you call Budapest "Budapešt'"? And Vienna "Viedeň"? Or Ljubljana "L'ubl'ana"? Poor Hungarians! Is Slovenia really the only place where ethnic Hungarians live in peace and bilingualism? :nuts:

pt82

July 4th, 2007, 08:40 PM

No offence or anything. 10% of population in Slovakia are Hungarians, we are living together just fine.
Bratislava and Pozsony, it just sounds litlle different to me :cheers:

nebunul

July 4th, 2007, 08:55 PM

^^ ...They used to rule big country, and then they lost the war in 1918. Empire was divided, 1000 years of occupation have ended...

i would be also kinda upset with that.:cheers:

^^ I wouldn't if it was not my land

IvanB

July 4th, 2007, 09:32 PM

Personaly I think 70-75% of the Hungarian populatian have no idea what Bratislava is... Noone uses that name in Hungary.

sounds bit ignorant, anyway i don't mind if hungarians call Bratislava Pozsony, but
using Pozsony or Kassa instead Bratislava and Kosice on traffic signs can be a bit misleading for others than hungarians

FRADISTA

July 4th, 2007, 10:01 PM

:lol: It seems that Hungarians have not got a problem only with Romanians but with most nations that used to be part of Austro-hungarian Empire :nuts:. I smell an air of superiority ... I wonder why Austrians are not so frustrated though?!!? After all, they governed the empire and not the Hungarians. Would this be the real reason maybe ?!!?

holy shit you are sick or what? If you don t know sh*t about something, than don't talk in it too. The reason why Austrians aren't/weren't (so much) shocked (as the Hungarians) is simple as f**k. Their only (bad word) territorial loss, where Austrians lived in homogen blocs within the body of there nation was in Südtirol-Alto Adige and yes, til 1972 they resisted passively (and sometimes even actively) against the Italian rule and governing. Austria lost 215,000 austrians right next to her boarders, directly on the other side. Hungary lost about 3,5 million Hungarians, the majority of them directly on the other side of the boarder. Plus our foreign affairs, the ministry of financies and ministry of arms/defense were common with'em in the Monarchy, and Queen Elisabeth personally was very Hungarophile, so stop talkin sh*t, okay?:bash:

BND

July 4th, 2007, 10:32 PM

sounds bit ignorant, anyway i don't mind if hungarians call Bratislava Pozsony, but
using Pozsony or Kassa instead Bratislava and Kosice on traffic signs can be a bit misleading for others than hungarians

Well I hope that where only "Pozsony" is written on a traffic sign, is only a mistake and should be corrected. As far as I've experienced, the traffic signs here in Hungary indicating a city in another country, are always bilingual. On the M1 you can see "Bécs-Wien", on the M2 "Besztercebánya-Banská Bystrica", the M3 "Munkács-Mukachevo" and "Kassa-Kosice" (Mukachevo in Cyrillic), on the M5 "Belgrád-Beograd" and on the M7 "Zágráb-Zagreb", and so on written on the signs.
However it is true that many people here does not know the foreign name of towns which used to belong to Hungary. Anyway I'm holding the well-known Cartographia's World Atlas in my hands, and what I can see is that where a Hungarian name is indicated, it is always in brackets and after the original like Wien (Bécs) or Oradea (Nagyvárad)...
My suggestion is to everybody on this forum is that when you write down a name of a town or anything else, look after it's official name too, and write down both of them to avoid misunderstandings. So I hope the Romanians won't get a heart attack when reading "Nagyszeben (Sibiu)" and everybody will know what we are talking about :)
PS. thanks for Nebunul for writing down "Hungarian" with the tiniest letters possible, and avoiding the use of capital letters>(
Hope your SHIFT button will have a nice long life :D

nebunul

July 4th, 2007, 11:13 PM

holy shit you are sick or what? If you don t know sh*t about something, than don't talk in it too. The reason why Austrians aren't/weren't (so much) shocked (as the Hungarians) is simple as f**k. Their only (bad word) territorial loss, where Austrians lived in homogen blocs within the body of there nation was in Südtirol-Alto Adige and yes, til 1972 they resisted passively (and sometimes even actively) against the Italian rule and governing. Austria lost 215,000 austrians right next to her boarders, directly on the other side. Hungary lost about 3,5 million Hungarians, the majority of them directly on the other side of the boarder. Plus our foreign affairs, the ministry of financies and ministry of arms/defense were common with'em in the Monarchy, and Queen Elisabeth personally was very Hungarophile, so stop talkin sh*t, okay?:bash:

^^ ^^ you choose ...

Answer 1
Shut it dickhead. Firstly do not patronise me coz I tell you to fuck off. Secondly you did not lose anything. We just got back what you stole ... asshole.

Answer 2
I suggest you revise your words and keep your cool . Can you not agree that the empire you were part of was made of occupied territories? So what you “lost” hadn’t belong to you in the first place?!?

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 12:07 AM

you shut tha f**k up. I started losin my patience when I had seen you always intriguing from page to page, but still didn t call you names, it s the weapon of those who are not prepared, uninformed, or uneducated for an arguement and find it more easy to manifest the primitive from them. I will not take you serious from now on, you are a net-warrior

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 12:09 AM

you should back tha f**k up or YOU LL GET SMACKED THA F**K UP
WHO you think you are talkin to???

Just M

July 5th, 2007, 07:32 AM

holy shit you are sick or what? If you don t know sh*t about something, than don't talk in it too. The reason why Austrians aren't/weren't (so much) shocked (as the Hungarians) is simple as f**k. Their only (bad word) territorial loss, where Austrians lived in homogen blocs within the body of there nation was in Südtirol-Alto Adige and yes, til 1972 they resisted passively (and sometimes even actively) against the Italian rule and governing. Austria lost 215,000 austrians right next to her boarders, directly on the other side. Hungary lost about 3,5 million Hungarians, the majority of them directly on the other side of the boarder. Plus our foreign affairs, the ministry of financies and ministry of arms/defense were common with'em in the Monarchy, and Queen Elisabeth personally was very Hungarophile, so stop talkin sh*t, okay?:bash:

FRADISTA

You have your opinions and convinctions, and I respect everybody`s right to have that, but it`s time for you to wake up, times has changed. I am convicted that you suffer from the ideea that in 1918 it was a great empire. Hungary was only a part of that empire (don`t forget this) What are you doing is only ultranationalism and antisemitism, without doubt. You don't care about others, about your neighbours. Anyway the bad things will never stand up. It seems that ancestral barbaric feelings are still present . . .

Here I stop my friend because I know the limits of common sense.

Xelebes

July 5th, 2007, 08:24 AM

By page 2 this thread became like French schoolkids arguing with English schoolkids over the spelling of Winnipeg or Ouinnipeque. Hilarity.

joce23

July 5th, 2007, 08:27 AM

you should back tha f**k up or YOU LL GET SMACKED THA F**K UP
WHO you think you are talkin to???

Fradista. we all know that your a hungarian asshole ! Why you insist to convince us on something that we already know ? Paranoia ???

Guys, ignore Fradista !

stereodoping

July 5th, 2007, 09:23 AM

you should back tha f**k up or YOU LL GET SMACKED THA F**K UP
WHO you think you are talkin to???

:)) and you will smack him or us with what ? Do you have some sort of magic powers ? or you will send some hungarian royal troops to attack us :)) U'r a dangerous guy - we fear you cuz you can get so aggressive... on-line ... and that really hurts... our feelings :)))) I bet you're just a pathetic chronic masturbator that doesn't really try to benefit out of his country's good economic shape and opportunities it offers, but rather stays home and fantasies about his great hungarian empire :))) ... just as I said - pathetic. Man - you're not in EU - you're still in the DARK AGES :horse: :horse: the great hungarian knight that fights the evil romanians that not obey the royal will. " Oh great knight - you must save your holly land ", said the fairy with a pig-face, "Go fight the barbarian Romanians directly from your computer - smack them with your mighty super fantastic double-clicks"... :rofl::fiddle:(that's for your soundtrack - cuz you know - every hero gets a soundtrack) by the way - you must kiss the pig-faced fairy so she transforms into a frog - so you can make her your wife and live happily ever after :)))

kokpit

July 5th, 2007, 09:34 AM

Personaly I think 70-75% of the Hungarian populatian have no idea what Bratislava is... Noone uses that name in Hungary.

Big surprise, are you sure?

On Czech roads we use only original names of cities, e.g. Wien (Vídeň in Czech), Regensburg (Řezno), Wroclaw (Vratislav), Nürnberg (Norimberk), Dresden (Drážďany), Linz (Linec) etc.
D8
http://www.ceskedalnice.cz/foto/d8f1/slides/IMG_2058.jpg.
D11
http://www.ceskedalnice.cz/foto/d11f1/slides/d11f01.JPG.
D5
http://www.ceskedalnice.cz/foto/d5f5/slides/D5f02.jpg

pt82

July 5th, 2007, 12:44 PM

^^ It is the same here in Slovakia. (Not Viedeň but WIEN signs).

http://dialnice.info/album_pic.php?pic_id=29

Györ is Györ, not "Ďórkovce":)

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 03:32 PM

Hungary has Bécs/Wien, Zágráb/Zagreb etc., so does it for Bratislava really only have Pozsony? Anyway, some Western European countries only have their own expressions, which is really dumb, like France (Milan, Turin, Barcelone...) or Belgium and the Netherlands in many cases, I think Macedonia started changing that...

pt82

July 5th, 2007, 03:49 PM

^^ They are ignoring the name "Bratislava":)

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 03:51 PM

I really don t know, why some of you immediately charge me with xenophoby or ultranationalism (even antisemitism!!!) - I protest against these charges, and please dont let me hear actually:read such ridiculous remarks again - when some nebunul call me names and I react on these. Jeeeez, don t mix thangz up, it s not "ULTRANATIONALISM" (!!) or even "ANTISEMITISM" (!!!) when they tell you to fuck off and asshole and dickhead and you get upset, c'mon!!! And yes, I will keep on writing back primitively until they ban me, if somebody calls me like this, hiding his/her/its uninformedness or prejudice, plus writes posts containing historical nonsense perviously with nation-critic voice. But it is strictly one person against another, don t try to find nationalistic reasons beyond it, okay??? Even though you were glad to read them, having a casus belli against Hungarians, not against me. Yes, I have my own opinion in some sensitive topics, and I gladly express them without calling someone dickhead or asshole at a forum. I think it s unnecessary to reflect on opininons thinking I would like to launch a "CRUSADER ATTACK" on rumanians. I really don t hate rumanians,for example I like listening to Bug Mafia poezie de strada, I like the sound of their language, but I sometimes CANNOT AGREE with their mentality in some disputed historical questions, and their unnecessary stubbornness in tiny things like naming a city somehow.
As for the Monarchy, you shouldn t query the legitimation and the diservedness of the Hungarian crown's and Hungarian elite's power in the DUALISTIC state organization, as you can t query the strength af the Hungarian authority either - when it was the alliance of two countries' equal in rank. BTW, the Monarchy wasn't so popular among all Hungarians either, Kossuth's famous 'Cassandra-letter' previewed the fall of the Hungarian Kingdom within the Monarchy if it came to a big war favoured by the Habsburgs.
I personally think, glancing at the Monarchy from more than 120-130 years of distance, that reorganizing the Monarchy into a trialistic confederation with the Czechs could have save it in some form till nowadays as a regional very well-processing and dynamic state, but in 1870 it failed on the opposition of Count of Andrássy Gyula and mainly of the Prussian "Steelchancellor", Bismarck. I think it is anachronistic and irrelevant talkin about the Monarchy but the #143 post provocated it.
Anyway, you may continue degrading me and calling Hungarian Knight (:):)!!!) or masturbator (:):)!!!) or sh*t like these, go ahead, but it still won t help poor nebunul, who really needs to become absorbed in (Central-East-)European history.

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM

Poor Hungarians! Is Slovenia really the only place where ethnic Hungarians live in peace and bilingualism? :nuts:

I seems like it... All other nations, exept naturally Austria feel some kind of a cramped urge to proove their "importance" in the Central European region and its history. And naturaly they cant. So they instead victimize the local Hungarian minorities...

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 05:29 PM

Romanians born in Hungary have no "minority rights" as opposed to Hungarians born in Romania that have more rights than any minority in WEurope. What more do you want ?!?!
So why do not clean up your own act, sort out the mess in your country, give your minorities the rights that Romanians give to theirs … and maybe will talk

I am asking you fourth time probably: do you accept that the empire you were part of was made of occupied territories? YES or NO ?

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Verso
Poor Hungarians! Is Slovenia really the only place where ethnic Hungarians live in peace and bilingualism?

Example of respect for minotities rights in one of the best "Romanian" Universities - it isn't even named as Romanian as a sign of respect and thus to give the same rights to other minorities
more - http://www.ubbcluj.ro/en/despre/multicultural.htm

"The first has to do with the multilingual and multicultural profile of Babeş-Bolyai University . We shall not dwell here upon the relevant statistical data (they can be found in the brochure with Statistical Data Concerning Babeş-Bolyai University , 2003). Instead, we shall synthetically present (without omitting any significant detail) the results of an objective comparison between Babeş-Bolyai University and the other multicultural and multilingual universities currently operating in Europe ( Bolzano - Italy ; Helsinki and Abo-Akademy- Finland ; Tartu - Estonia ; Fribourg- Switzerland ; Tetovo- Macedonia ), taking into account their internal regulations and activity .

We shall not insist upon the comparison with the other two European universities-Strasbourg (France) and Bratislava (Slovakia)-which, together with the Cluj University, became part of other nation-states following the First World War. It must be said, however, that as opposed to Strasbourg and Bratislava , Babeş-Bolyai University provides complete studies in the mother tongue of the minorities, being, in this respect, multilingual . In its statute, the University of Bratislava presents itself as a "national university of the Republic of Slovakia ." Both the Strasbourg University and Babeş-Bolyai University provide theological studies in keeping with the denominational diversity existing in their respective regions .

It must be said that, in fact, Babeş-Bolyai University shows the same openness as the Swiss and the French universities, but within a different constitutional framework . We also see that in the case of Tartu University, studies in the mother tongue must include 40% of disciplines taught in the language of the country-Estonian. Babeş-Bolyai University differs from these universities in the sense that, by virtue of its Charter, it has introduced separate lines of study, enjoying distinct representation and decision-making autonomy at any level (department, faculty, university). In other words, Babeş-Bolyai University ensures the linguistic and cultural specificity not only when it comes to the actual training activities, but also in their administrative organisation."

^^ any similar examples in Hungary, please ?!?!
And I will say it again: Romanians of all backgrounds and origins live in peace and harmony in a beautiful and lately prosperous country.

Zanovijetalo

July 5th, 2007, 06:00 PM

I seems like it... All other nations, exept naturally Austria feel some kind of a cramped urge to proove their "importance" in the Central European region and its history. And naturaly they cant. So they instead victimize the local Hungarian minorities...

Don't think Magyars are being victimized or something here in Cro. On the contrary, think they’re doing just fine and are happy here. Otherwise not so many of them would have fought in our army during the independence war. The position of Croats in Hungary is also rather good… I guess.

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 06:36 PM

^^ I didn't know there was a Hungarian minority in Croatia. Where, for example?

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 06:50 PM

I seems like it... All other nations, exept naturally Austria feel some kind of a cramped urge to proove their "importance" in the Central European region and its history. And naturaly they cant. So they instead victimize the local Hungarian minorities...Not that no part of Hungary became part of Slovenia; Hungary's south-westernmost part became the north-easternmost part of Slovenia. Whether it was fair or not, it doesn't even matter after so many years any more. The interesting part of it, is that e.g. Romania fears from its Hungarian minority, when it's so much bigger than Hungary, whereas Slovenia is obviously the smallest of all your neighbors, and you could crash us within a few days, if you wanted to.

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 07:05 PM

:):):):):) I'm glad you are sooooo deeply concerned about the sad fate of those 14,781 yes, fourteen thousand seven hundred eighty-one ethnic Rumanians living in Hungary (that is WATCH 0,001468 of the total population of our republic), from them 8.370 speak their Rumanian mother tongue, who have their own television program (Ecranul nostru) the Hungarian voting system provides them the possibility to have minority self-government at local places (for example: http://www.romanul.hu/, and have their own liturgy at churches, and bilingual town names (Jula right under Gyula), and who are mostly have DOUBLE-IDENTITY. CLEAN UP WHAT MESS??? NO MINORITY RIGHTS??? I'm sorry for my words but I doubt you are mentally okay when there are about 110 times more Hungarians in Rumania (1992 - 1,624,959 persons, 7.1% of the population of Romania and 20.8% of the population of Transylvania) than Rumanians in Hungary, so I can t really take you serious if you comparise their circumstances of life, but let's forget these dry numbers, let s speak about the qualities of their life.
- I never heard of any Rumanian ever who suffered in his carrier proceed because of his/her nationality
- I never read a Rumanian was beaten up because of his nationaitiy
- I never heard of one Rumanian who would feel himself/herself bad in Hungary
- I don t really think (actually, being honest I don t know) if this number would show a decreasing tendency, because since that 1992 statistic shown before 250.000 ethnic Hungarians left your country, because is a so f**kin good place, with best possibilties for minorities in Europe.
- I have never heard of a Hungarian expression existing only against ethnic Rumanians, yes 'oláh' is for all Rumanians and Transilvanian gipsies, but I have heard of 'bozgor' meaning homeless for Hungarians in Transilvania.

I know and agree Rumania is doing a good job, we have parlamental representation and so on, but that not always mean it is pacticed in everyday-life.

I was glad to read your article about the Babes-Bolyai University as the great example of ethnic tolerance, however, the name Babes-Bolyai University in this side means something else.
The Hungarian University of Kolozsvár/Cluj/Klausenburg was founded by Franz Joseph in 1872, and moved to formerly Budapest, than to Szeged in 1919. The Rumanian University of Cluj was founded in 1919 and moved in 1940 to Nagyszeben/Sibiu/Hermannstadt. The 2 universities were unificated in 1959. After the fall of the Ceausescu regime, their were movements to bring the Hungarian separate Bolyai Egyetem beside the Rumanian Babes University back to life, without succeed, and even nowadays this is unsolved... BTW, the fact there are more than 50 specialisations in Hungarian language is cool and I didn t know it, just found it, it sounds somewhat better.

"2006 Hungarian lecturers controversy
In November 2006, Péter Hantz and Lehel Kovács, both lecturers at the Babeş-Bolyai University, were sacked by the university after a series of controversial actions started in October 2005, when the two lecturers organized a demonstration in front of the university's main building, campaigning for the ethnic segregation of the institution and the creation of separate Romanian and Hungarian universities. On 22 February 2006, when the segregation issue was discussed, the Senate of the University, with its Romanian, Hungarian and German members, voted against the ethnic separation of the university, with no votes for the separation being recorded.[1] The two lecturers continued the campaign for separation, with several public statements against the university. As a result, after first receiving a formal oral disciplinary warning, on 10 July 2006 they received a first written disciplinary warning and on 13 November 2006 a final written disciplinary warning from the Senate. The warning was based on two main accusations: persistent absences from lectures and public campaign and statements against the university.

On 22 November 2006 the two lecturers put up signs like "Information" and "No smoking" in Hungarian alongside those ones in Romanian.[2] Hantz and Kovács said they acted upon a decree permitting the use of multilingual signs, which had been decreed by the university but not enforced, and official claims that the university is a multicultural institution with three working languages (Romanian, German and Hungarian).[3]

On 27 November 2006, the Senate voted for exclusion of the two lecturers, with 72 for and 9 against (from 2 Romanian and 7 Hungarian members) votes. The Senate stated that the exclusion was a disciplinary action and that the vote was not ethnic based, as all German and Jewish members and the majority of the Romanian and Hungarian members voted for the exclusion.[1]

In spite of various protests, the resignation out of solidarity by several Hungarian-speaking university staff, and a call by 24 Hungarian MEPs for the reinstatement of the lecturers in the weeks after the incident, the lecturers remained unemployed.[2]

The parties in the Hungarian Parliament asked the university to reinstate the two professors and respect the rights of the Hungarian minority. The presidents of the five parties represented in the Hungarian parliament signed a statement that read as follows:[3]

"The expulsion of the two young educators tells Hungary's parliamentary representatives that there are still people in Romania who believe that in the 21st century the desires for democratic higher education of a 1.5-million-strong community can be denied."

Istvan Hiller, Education Minister of Hungary, also wrote to his Romanian counterpart Mihail Hărdău, asking for his help on the issue.[3]

The case has also been put forward in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. Göran Lindblad, from the Swedish European People’s Party, along with 24 signatories from 19 European countries, presented a motion for a resolution on the breaching the 1994 Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities by the Romanian Government.[4][5]" (-wikipedia.org)
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FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 07:15 PM

Not that no part of Hungary became part of Slovenia; Hungary's south-westernmost part became the north-easternmost part of Slovenia. Whether it was fair or not, it doesn't even matter after so many years anymore. The interesting part of it, is that e.g. Romania fears from its Hungarian minority, when it's so much bigger than Hungary, whereas Slovenia is obviously the smallest of all your neighbors, and you could crash us within a few days, if you wanted to.

I have one adventure regarding to this question. When I once travelled through Slovenia (and wanted to stop for a beer -Union and Cerveny Baron- because the panorama and the mountains were so beautiful, it seemed like a little jewel-box, with fine smell of mountainious air) so backways to Hungary at Lendva/Lendava and Muraszombat/Muravska Sobota we turned on the radio, and heard the Hungarian ethnic radio, and we heard a song sung in Hungarian but the melody sounded typical south-slavic with piano-accordion, and men-chorus, and THEN I felt that good intention towards minorities accelerates spontaneous assimilation, and thought in this country position of minorities is awesome!!!

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 07:24 PM

I have one adventure regarding to this question. When I once travelled through Slovenia (and wanted to stop for a beer -Union and Cerveny Baron- because the panorama and the mountains were so beautiful, it seemed like a little jewel-box, with fine smell of mountainious air) so backways to Hungary at Lendva/Lendava and Muraszombat/Muravska Sobota we turned on the radio, and heard the Hungarian ethnic radio, and we heard a song sung in Hungarian but the melody sounded typical south-slavic with piano-accordion, and men-chorus, and THEN I felt that good intention towards minorities accelerates spontaneous assimilation, and thought in this country position of minorities is awesome!!!Of course, if you treat them well, they will also be interested in the nation that surrounds them (Slovenians), which doesn't mean they will become Slovenians, but they won't build Berlin walls against us. If that's what you meant. :D

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 07:39 PM

Don't think Magyars are being victimized or something here in Cro. On the contrary, think they’re doing just fine and are happy here. Otherwise not so many of them would have fought in our army during the independence war. The position of Croats in Hungary is also rather good… I guess.

Sorry, I missed out Croatia. No problem with You Guys eather! :okay:

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 07:41 PM

Shameless self-promotion:D:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9820/a1a5105ki7.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2058/a1a5106oi5.jpg

Actually we're obsessed with Hungarian:D:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4377/a1a5109op8.jpg

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 07:43 PM

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 07:48 PM

I have one adventure regarding to this question. When I once travelled through Slovenia (and wanted to stop for a beer -Union and Cerveny Baron- because the panorama and the mountains were so beautiful, it seemed like a little jewel-box, with fine smell of mountainious air) so backways to Hungary at Lendva/Lendava and Muraszombat/Muravska Sobota we turned on the radio, and heard the Hungarian ethnic radio, and we heard a song sung in Hungarian but the melody sounded typical south-slavic with piano-accordion, and men-chorus, and THEN I felt that good intention towards minorities accelerates spontaneous assimilation, and thought in this country position of minorities is awesome!!!

Nice one Bro' ! :okay: And what kinda beer was that? :lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 07:53 PM

Anyway, some guys totaly ruined this thread... If I remember correctly, I wrote the city names in the original and todays way too, I think we agreed in this one... So I don't really understand why the fuzz from the rumanians...? :ohno: :dunno:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 07:58 PM

^^ The fuss wasn't from Romanians only, remember? You just trying to play innocent now ... kinda cheap try :bash:

pescarush

July 5th, 2007, 07:58 PM

Noone wants to crush anybody here, exept probably romanians (familiar size? ;) ) us...

that s why i love this thread, it s so funny!:lol: :lol: :lol:
and u know why? my hungarian friend is here near me and he s all laughs.:lol:

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 07:58 PM

Nice one Bro' ! :okay: And what kinda beer was that? :lol:

Since you're already asking (not me though), I have to correct that "Cerveny Baron", b/c actually it's Črni baron. :D Btw, "Muravska Sobota" (Muraszombat) is in fact Murska Sobota. :D A bit more shameless self-promotion:D: http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/3949/a1a5091ez6.jpg

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 07:59 PM

Noone wants to crush anybody here, exept probably romanians (familiar size? ;) ) us...

You need copyright for this … :nuts: :lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:00 PM

^^ The fuss wasn't from Romanians only, remember? You just trying to play innocent now ... kinda cheap try :bash:

Check the first questionable reply...

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 08:01 PM

Oh, ignorant me! :no: The photos are great! And that bridge is crazy! :crazy2:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:04 PM

Check the first questionable reply...

^^ done it. You upseat Slovakians by not writing their capita's name properly. Are you gonna change it in future?! Please speak to your transpot minister .... B R AT I S L A V A ... as we Romanians do:lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:06 PM

that s why i love this thread, it s so funny!:lol: :lol: :lol:
and u know why? my hungarian friend is here near me and he s all laughs.:lol:

I'm in an internet cafe in Bristol, and sitting between a Pakistanian and an Indian.,These two are shouting my head off while arguing with eachother... I'm almost dying from laughing...

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:08 PM

^^ done it. You upseat Slovakians by not writing their capita's name properly. Are you gonna change it in future?! Please speak to your transpot minister .... B R AT I S L A V A ... as we Romanians do:lol:

Sorry Mate, never voted for them, and never will... :ohno: Actually I'll never talk to them eather... :ohno:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:15 PM

I've got a Hungarian working for me. I will buy him a cup of coffee tomorrow morning ... before I'll fire him :nuts: :lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:17 PM

I've got a Hungarian working for me. I will buy him a cup of coffee tomorrow morning ... before I'll fire him :nuts: :lol:

All the romanians i know always want to wash my car's windows at red lights and beg for money... Why cant I fire them...? :ohno:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:20 PM

^^ Coz you're Hungarian ... lost your mucles in 1918, remeber?! :nuts: :cheers:

pescarush

July 5th, 2007, 08:23 PM

I'm in an internet cafe in Bristol, and sitting between a Pakistanian and an Indian.,These two are shouting my head off while arguing with eachoder... I'm almost dying from laughing...

:lol:
hope ur in safe, they might begun a fight. :lol:

pescarush

July 5th, 2007, 08:25 PM

^^ Coz you're Hungarian ... lost your mucles in 1918, remeber?! :nuts: :cheers:

:lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:25 PM

^^ Coz you're Hungarian ... lost your mucles in 1918, remeber?! :nuts: :cheers:

Ahh this shit again... You wanted to talk about present days... I just mentioned a known problem... Romanians invade Europe, and beside the people who work pretty hard and send money home, a huge percent of the homeless I see day by day comes from Romania...

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:27 PM

:lol:
hope ur in safe, they might begun a fight. :lol:

I hope they wont use the nuke threat... :lol:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:27 PM

^^ No worries!!!! I'm in London (only down the road) ... I will save a Hungarian today :nuts:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:30 PM

Ahh this shit again... You wanted to talk about present days... I just mentioned a known problem... Romanians invade Europe, and beside the people who work pretty hard and send money home, a huge percent of the homeless I see day by day comes from Romania...

^^ Romania is doing well now .. last month we overtook you (GDP I mean) :banana:

a huge percent of the homeless I see day by day comes from Romania...

And this is lie, right ?!?

pescarush

July 5th, 2007, 08:36 PM

^^ No worries!!!! I'm in London (only down the road) ... I will save a Hungarian today :nuts:

maybe i m the one in danger here, with 4 pieces of hungarians in this home:lol:
..............................
neah, maybe not, they re sleaping already, or watching tv.:lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:36 PM

^^ No worries!!!! I'm in London (only down the road) ... I will save a Hungarian today :nuts:

Let's settle this... HUNGARIAN VS ROMANIAN TOMORROW, HYDE PARK, GMT 21:00:lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:40 PM

^^ Romania is doing well now .. last month we overtook you (GDP I mean) :banana:

Good for You, and I mean it. Rumania is doin' a great job! Hungary... :ohno: F**kin' gyurcsany... He is not Basescu... :ohno:

And this is lie, right ?!? 100% true. If You are in London, ask a homeless in the underground on your language. You'll see.

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:43 PM

^^ Nope there are no Romanians "homeless" in London. Gipsies?!?! Maybe ... BTW I do not understand their language ...

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:45 PM

maybe i m the one in danger here, with 4 pieces of hungarians in this home:lol:
..............................
neah, maybe not, they re sleaping already, or watching tv.:lol:

Come on fellow Hungarians! Beat the crap out of that bastard! :lol:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Come on fellow Hungarians! Beat the crap out of that bastard! :lol:

^^ Naturaly I'm just kidding, I'm not that type a guy.

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 08:46 PM

Let's settle this... HUNGARIAN VS ROMANIAN TOMORROW, HYDE PARK, GMT 21:00:lol:

^^ Speaker’s corner ? :lol: :nuts:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:52 PM

^^ Nope there are no Romanians "homeless" in London. Gipsies?!?! Maybe ... BTW I do not understand their language ...

So you don't call gypsies romanians, why not? They have romanian passwords... In one post you write that EVERYONE BELONGS TO ROMANIA WHO LIVES BEYOND YOUR BORDERS, AND THEY ARE ROMANIANS, but now you tell me they don't... Now what's the truth?

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 08:58 PM

^^ Speaker’s corner ? :lol: :nuts:

Physical Energy Statue! After I beat you silly, I'll buy ya' a latte at Starbuck's! :lol:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:02 PM

^^ If proven from Romania they are Romanians. But only a minority also. So they’re not representative for Romania as a whole. So you can not say “Romanians”. Its like me saying that Hungarians are assholes. Which is not true: only a minority are :nuts: :cheers:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:04 PM

Physical Energy Statue! After I beat you silly :lol:

^^ Remember I (we) "love you more " ... as we're on top ?!?1 :lol: so ... put your galvanized knickers on ... :lol: :nuts:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 09:10 PM

^^ Remember I (we) "love you more " ... as we're on top ?!?1 :lol: so ... put your galvanized knickers on ... :lol: :nuts:

If I see you try to bring some of your Vaseline,or some shit like that, I won't stop beating you when you are half dead, so don't even think about anything not straight... I know what you sheperds used to do... :lol:

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:14 PM

^^ :lol: You’re unlucky today ... no vaseline used on you. You will feel my love in full :cheers:

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 09:16 PM

woah, woah, woah chill out peeps.. you are so f**kin arrogant, nebunull, my palm is itchin' , like it s said here in my town. If you are so proud of 1918, tell me, exactly which period? When k.u.k units conquered Bucuresti and we signed the peace treaty in may with territorial advantages?? Actually you retreated from the rights and minorities plus the University topic that you brought up very-very well, like you were always great diplomats:D

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 09:22 PM

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:23 PM

^^ :lol:

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 09:29 PM

what the f**k I haven t checked in for 10 minutes and it s a mudafukin ring now:) Qtya, you are cool but this you sailed to waters great for nebunull:
no facts, unintellectality, low-middleclass humor and net-warrioring.
let s solve it peacefully, like in football: 54 wins 4 draws and 2 losses:):):) with extreme differences in goal-statistics:D waterpolo or handball..uhh. I was drinkin water and thought in this latter two sports and SPIT IT OUT FROM LAUGH:):):):):) hehehihihahahuhu we always f**ked and will f**k ya up in teamsports:D you are cool in gymnastics with your 33kilo girlfrogs, fact:D:):)

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:31 PM

After all these nice discussions :nuts: … I love my countrymen even more … all Romanians of different origins ... Hungarian, German, Ukrainian, Serb etc etc ... what a lovely country we all live in harmony :cheers: Love you Romania :cheers:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 09:32 PM

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:34 PM

^^ The level is clearly under at the moment .. you may help improve it :lol: :nuts:

pescarush

July 5th, 2007, 09:36 PM

^^ i m sick of u two hungarians, a pitty for ur nation!:ohno:

pescarush

July 5th, 2007, 09:42 PM

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 09:48 PM

SO LET S GET BACK TO THE TABLE OF FACTS, I WON T DO YOU A FAVOR BY ENTERING THIS MUD-THROWING, THE BEST EXIT WAY FOR DUMBS WITHOUT SERIOUS STUFF TO TELL. This was a fine exit route for you nebunul-like rumanians, not all of you think like him, I suppose. Actually these renegades like nebunul are always the worst, who have ancestors from a nation and compensate it with unnatural hate turning against his roots. Hitler himself was Jewish 75%.
:):):):):)I'm glad you are sooooo deeply concerned about the sad fate of those 14,781 yes, fourteen thousand seven hundred eighty-one ethnic Rumanians living in Hungary (that is WATCH 0,001468 of the total population of our republic), from them 8.370 speak their Rumanian mother tongue, who have their own television program (Ecranul nostru) the Hungarian voting system provides them the possibility to have minority self-government at local places (for example: http://www.romanul.hu/, and have their own liturgy at churches, and bilingual town names (Jula right under Gyula), and who are mostly have DOUBLE-IDENTITY. CLEAN UP WHAT MESS??? NO MINORITY RIGHTS??? I'm sorry for my words but I doubt you are mentally okay when there are about 110 times more Hungarians in Rumania (1992 - 1,624,959 persons, 7.1% of the population of Romania and 20.8% of the population of Transylvania) than Rumanians in Hungary, so I can t really take you serious if you comparise their circumstances of life, but let's forget these dry numbers, let s speak about the qualities of their life.
- I never heard of any Rumanian ever who suffered in his carrier proceed because of his/her nationality
- I never read a Rumanian was beaten up because of his nationaitiy
- I never heard of one Rumanian who would feel himself/herself bad in Hungary
- I don t really think (actually, being honest I don t know) if this number would show a decreasing tendency, because since that 1992 statistic shown before 250.000 ethnic Hungarians left your country, because is a so f**kin good place, with best possibilties for minorities in Europe.
- I have never heard of a Hungarian expression existing only against ethnic Rumanians, yes 'oláh' is for all Rumanians and Transilvanian gipsies, but I have heard of 'bozgor' meaning homeless for Hungarians in Transilvania.

I know and agree Rumania is doing a good job, we have parlamental representation and so on, but that not always mean it is pacticed in everyday-life.

I was glad to read your article about the Babes-Bolyai University as the great example of ethnic tolerance, however, the name Babes-Bolyai University in this side means something else.
The Hungarian University of Kolozsvár/Cluj/Klausenburg was founded by Franz Joseph in 1872, and moved to formerly Budapest, than to Szeged in 1919. The Rumanian University of Cluj was founded in 1919 and moved in 1940 to Nagyszeben/Sibiu/Hermannstadt. The 2 universities were unificated in 1959. After the fall of the Ceausescu regime, their were movements to bring the Hungarian separate Bolyai Egyetem beside the Rumanian Babes University back to life, without succeed, and even nowadays this is unsolved... BTW, the fact there are more than 50 specialisations in Hungarian language is cool and I didn t know it, just found it, it sounds somewhat better.

"2006 Hungarian lecturers controversy
In November 2006, Péter Hantz and Lehel Kovács, both lecturers at the Babeş-Bolyai University, were sacked by the university after a series of controversial actions started in October 2005, when the two lecturers organized a demonstration in front of the university's main building, campaigning for the ethnic segregation of the institution and the creation of separate Romanian and Hungarian universities. On 22 February 2006, when the segregation issue was discussed, the Senate of the University, with its Romanian, Hungarian and German members, voted against the ethnic separation of the university, with no votes for the separation being recorded.[1] The two lecturers continued the campaign for separation, with several public statements against the university. As a result, after first receiving a formal oral disciplinary warning, on 10 July 2006 they received a first written disciplinary warning and on 13 November 2006 a final written disciplinary warning from the Senate. The warning was based on two main accusations: persistent absences from lectures and public campaign and statements against the university.

On 22 November 2006 the two lecturers put up signs like "Information" and "No smoking" in Hungarian alongside those ones in Romanian.[2] Hantz and Kovács said they acted upon a decree permitting the use of multilingual signs, which had been decreed by the university but not enforced, and official claims that the university is a multicultural institution with three working languages (Romanian, German and Hungarian).[3]

On 27 November 2006, the Senate voted for exclusion of the two lecturers, with 72 for and 9 against (from 2 Romanian and 7 Hungarian members) votes. The Senate stated that the exclusion was a disciplinary action and that the vote was not ethnic based, as all German and Jewish members and the majority of the Romanian and Hungarian members voted for the exclusion.[1]

In spite of various protests, the resignation out of solidarity by several Hungarian-speaking university staff, and a call by 24 Hungarian MEPs for the reinstatement of the lecturers in the weeks after the incident, the lecturers remained unemployed.[2]

The parties in the Hungarian Parliament asked the university to reinstate the two professors and respect the rights of the Hungarian minority. The presidents of the five parties represented in the Hungarian parliament signed a statement that read as follows:[3]

"The expulsion of the two young educators tells Hungary's parliamentary representatives that there are still people in Romania who believe that in the 21st century the desires for democratic higher education of a 1.5-million-strong community can be denied."

Istvan Hiller, Education Minister of Hungary, also wrote to his Romanian counterpart Mihail Hărdău, asking for his help on the issue.[3]

The case has also been put forward in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. Göran Lindblad, from the Swedish European People’s Party, along with 24 signatories from 19 European countries, presented a motion for a resolution on the breaching the 1994 Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities by the Romanian Government.[4][5]" (-wikipedia.org)

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyuWxEtMOYw :nuts:

FRADISTA

July 5th, 2007, 09:52 PM

anyway I m goin in town, bie. Good night for all.

nebunul

July 5th, 2007, 09:58 PM

^^ ^^ you choose ...

Answer 1
Shut it dickhead. Firstly do not patronise me coz I tell you to fuck off. Secondly you did not lose anything. We just got back what you stole ... asshole.

Answer 2
I suggest you revise your words and keep your cool . Can you not agree that the empire you were part of was made of occupied territories? So what you “lost” hadn’t belong to you in the first place?!?

I hate to repeat myself … :nuts:

Qtya

July 5th, 2007, 10:00 PM

anyway I m goin in town, bie. Good night for all.

Ok, take care and have a nice evening, but watch out for the crazy drivers running around in the city with a speed of 120-130km/s... :nuts: :lol:

Zanovijetalo

July 5th, 2007, 11:04 PM

^^ I didn't know there was a Hungarian minority in Croatia. Where, for example?

16.595 Hungarians in Cro according to Census 2001, mostly in Osijek and Vukovar county.

Hun political party:
http://www.hmdk.hr/

Hungarians are good citizens of our humble country.

Verso

July 5th, 2007, 11:50 PM

^^ I didn't know that, thanks! Do you perhaps have any photos of bilingual city limit signs?

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 12:48 AM

that s right the 2 countries relations, as far as I know, are faultless. In 2002Orbán Viktor the PM of Hungary opened the rebuilt calvinist church of Korod/Kórógy after a serb grenade destroyed it in 1991. The serbian army and the very-brave chetnik terrorist pieces of sh*t right behind them destroyed the 1000 years old village that was established in the Árpád-era, after it was held for a week by 70 badly-armed civilians pics of the rebuilt church
http://www.hhrf.org/magyarszo/arhiva/2004/nov/05/main.php?l=kozelkep.htm

Zanovijetalo

July 6th, 2007, 12:49 AM

@Verso: Have no idea, tried to find any but failed. Villages like Bilje, Laslovo, Zmajevac etc with high Hungarian ethnic presence should have them .:dunno:

Verso

July 6th, 2007, 05:42 PM

I accidentally stumbled upon a photo, depicting a Hungarian sign with Pozsony AND Bratislava, so what the hell is the problem? ;)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/6443/bratislavarm3.jpg
http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/read.php?3,78004,page=1

:cheers2:

kokpit

July 6th, 2007, 05:45 PM

^ nice find Verso, international conflict is over now I hope :D :cheers:

nebunul

July 6th, 2007, 06:06 PM

Find one with Cluj-Napoca please :nuts:

BND

July 6th, 2007, 07:00 PM

^^ Hope this one with Arad satisfies you, it is written only in Romanian :D
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/ppstevan/xtra/infrastructure-ns-bgd/043.jpg
Photo from Steva, Autoputevi & magistrale Srbije thread in the Serbian forum

nebunul

July 6th, 2007, 07:01 PM

I had that one ...:nuts: I said Cluj-Napoca :nuts:

BND

July 6th, 2007, 07:14 PM

I had that one ...:nuts: I said Cluj-Napoca :nuts:
Sorry man, Cluj Napoca may be not marked on our signs because these signs are usually indicating the first bigger city after the border, which is in this case Nagyvárad-Oradea. May be I'm wrong, if I'll travel on the road E60, I'll take a pic for you about the signs:cheers:

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 07:47 PM

if you give back the Hungarian majority of the population Kincses Kolozsvár/Cluj-Napoca/Klausenburg which disappeared in 1956: 154 723 (Romanians: 47.8%, Hungarians: 47.9%) vs. 2002: 318 027 (Romanians: 79.5%, Hungarians: 18.9%) after you brought there 100.000 highlanders from the mountaineous suceava, to make sure the city's demographic statistics overturn once and for all, I even build an ugly statue like Munitipiul Cluj next to each car sign on the soil of Republic of Hungary, showing cluj, deal??? PLUS F**K FUNAR AS WELL.

nebunul

July 6th, 2007, 08:03 PM

^^ Fradista mate ... you're on drugs .. I'm not talking with you :lol:

nebunul

July 6th, 2007, 08:04 PM

Sorry man, Cluj Napoca may be not marked on our signs because these signs are usually indicating the first bigger city after the border, which is in this case Nagyvárad-Oradea. May be I'm wrong, if I'll travel on the road E60, I'll take a pic for you about the signs:cheers:

^^ Fair point.

Can you implant some of your decency and class into Fradista's brains please ?! :cheers:

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 08:05 PM

http://www.eurotravelling.net/romania/cluj_napoca/clujpics/cath.jpg - Rumanian Orthodox cathedral built in 1920.

http://www.kulfoldiszallasok.hu/fotok/Image/Bethlenkata/07220018.jpg
Hungarian Szent-Mihály Templom, building started in 1316.

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 08:13 PM

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 08:17 PM

look, man, no need to ask BND's help to shape my mentality. Some of us thinks this way, some of us thinks that way. BND uses his mind, he approaches to this discussion rationally, I use my heart, I approach this discussion emotionally, so what??? Rumanians don't think all alike, do they? they can't, cause the NATURE OF THE MIND prevents this.

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 08:44 PM

The temple of minorites, where the 13 martyrs spent their last night before their execution, after the fall of the Independence War in 1849 and the Hungarian Baptist House of Prayers' built in 1896:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9p:Aradimahaz.JPG

The Serbian Orthodox Cathedral, built in 1716:
http://images.google.hu/imgres?imgurl=http://www.arad-bekes.ro/img/arad/arad/cbor1.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.arad-bekes.ro/ro/borto_hu.html&h=640&w=480&sz=69&hl=hu&start=128&um=1&tbnid=Hr6Zcs0XB3pOoM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3Darad%26start%3D120%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dhu%26sa%3DN

Typical Austro-Hungarian classicism, built after the Ausgleich of 1867:
http://alternativ.ro/stirea/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/arad_teatrul_de_stat_2.jpg
and:
http://images.google.hu/imgres?imgurl=http://www.poli.hu/erdely/varo_arad1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.poli.hu/erdely/varo_arad.htm&h=257&w=376&sz=14&hl=hu&start=8&um=1&tbnid=fCr4WDrPCUC0_M:&tbnh=83&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3Darad%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dhu%26sa%3DN
also in Nagyvárad/Oradea:
http://www.kulfoldiszallasok.hu/picture/Image/EliteHotelNagyvarad/nagyvarad01.jpg

and, finally, the Romanian Orthodox Basilica, finished in 2003? or 2005? please correct me:
http://www.greatestcities.com/2515pic/723/CP7723.jpg/AradCathedral.jpg
LOOK AT THE CARSIGN HERE, IN THE LEFT-RIGHT CORNER, AS A PENALTY, perhaps Helmut Ducadam couldn t save it either!!! BUDAPESTA:):):)

pt82

July 6th, 2007, 08:58 PM

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 09:07 PM

The joint chief of staffs stopped the extensive mental offensive launched at 8:05, because the successes were so unexpectedly great, that we have to wait for the backup plus the Ministry of Defence suddenly finished the military operation, in case there were intention of the rivals (not enemies) to cooperate. If there isn't any sign of cooperation to give out nebunul, the war criminal, the operations will continue with full force to increase pressure on the rival government prospectively with airstrikes even outside Transilvania.:):):) kiddin only

FRADISTA

July 6th, 2007, 09:17 PM

pt82

July 6th, 2007, 09:19 PM

Here is a nice map, be sure to check it out...

Map of Hungarian minorities (http://bp1.blogger.com/_EdtSm1CwIPA/RfKYMJ11XVI/AAAAAAAAAI0/5CZ1eJH8DKo/s1600-h/narodnosti+SVE.gif) big picture:)

Verso

July 6th, 2007, 11:45 PM

http://www.greatestcities.com/2515pic/723/CP7723.jpg/AradCathedral.jpgQuite contrary to this:http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6933/im000004ev4.jpg (http://imageshack.us):)

IvanB

July 7th, 2007, 01:45 AM

I accidentally stumbled upon a photo, depicting a Hungarian sign with Pozsony AND Bratislava, so what the hell is the problem? ;)

:cheers2:

if both names are used,then there is not problem of course..;)

@BND: thanks for an answer and clarifications ;)

FRADISTA

July 7th, 2007, 03:36 AM

f**k nationalism I had a little circus down in my town they put me down on 2 shoulders ona one on one but in countin I had won - as it said - by 12 to ...8 perhaps but i had been turned over azt the disco tikó papsziget:@ my mind and soul got stronger, cold comfort:@

FRADISTA

July 7th, 2007, 04:01 AM

Land of Hope and Glory,
Mother of the Free (Hungary)
How shall we extol thee,
Who are born of thee?
Wider still and wider
Shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty,
Make thee mightier yet
God, who made thee mighty,
Make thee mightier yet.
stay here forever, in tha slavic see, defending our European bradaz from the Mongols, tha Ottoman, got awarded with trianon, but stay here for another 1100 yearz. peace.

mode55

July 7th, 2007, 04:24 AM

^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
WCp9sT0gek0

BND

July 7th, 2007, 12:29 PM

^^ aha, my bad sorry. I am happy now:lol:
So the problem is solved, and another huge international conflict is avoided :D

This whole region will improve only with cooperation so our only future is when we try to understand each others problems, at least a bit:)
Some of us can prove to be a bit harder to convince, but if we were all perfect, this forum would be sooo boring :cheers:

nebunul

July 7th, 2007, 04:18 PM

or in Gyulafehérvár/Alba Iulia
the Hungarian Roman Catholic Cathedral of Bishops:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9p:AlbaIulia_CatedralaCatolica2.jpg
building started around 1010, was destroyed in the Vata uprising, rebuilt and finally finished in the 13th century...

...and the Rumanian Orthodox Cathedral
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagine:Alba_Iulia_cloitre_%C3%A9glise_orthodoxe.JPG
built between 1921-1923, following the project drawn by the architect D.G. Stefanescu, leaded by the engineer T. Eremia.

Alba Iulia - Dacian (Romanian) settlement more than 1000 years before Hungarians arrived in Europe

The City has been inhabited since ancient times.
There are settling traces dating from 106-107 b.C. when the existence of Dacian hovels was mentioned.
Next to them, two towns developed and later become municipia and collonia.
A bi-millenary municipality, a heart-shaped, historical city of monuments and national becoming, Alba Iulia had a very important contribution to the history of human settlings and fortified citadels.

The city is situated at an old gold and salt commercial crossroads, into the perimeter formed by the rivers Ampoi and Sebes and the crests of the Apuseni Mountains that mount mildly and lithely towards the terrace of the river Mures and the Transylvanian Hills. The gentle climate and the richness of the soil rendered this area habitable even since ancient times. Archeologists register rich vestiges of the material culture - dating since Neolithic, Bronze Era, Hallstatt, Latene and Middle Ages - undeniable proof of our continuity on these territories.
The tribe of the Dacians from "the far-off Appulus" is mentioned in "Consolatio ad Liviam - Poetae latini minores", and the geographer Ptolemaios revealed in his "Geographical Guide" (written in the first half of the second century) the coordinates of the city: 49°15' longitude - 46° 41' latitude.
The XIII Gemina Legion is to be billeted here in one of the major stoned Roman camps during the years Dacia was a Roman province. Along with the Dacians, the new comers (the Romans), "ex toto orbe romano", are the ancestors of the Romanian people, appropriating the Dacian ancient toponym Apoulon (a fortress situated at Piatra Craivii, 20 km North of Alba Iulia, which became the Roman Apulum).
Two roman cities, first municipia and later collonia, have developed near the Roman camps, into the fortress, but also nearby the Mures river, in Partos.
The settlings became two of the most wealthy and important places of Dacia - ("Chrysopolis" 251-253 d. Chr.) - outstanding in diversity and the novelty of the local civilization.
Temples and polychrome mosaics, thermae and statues, amphitheaters, porticos, the governor's palace "Daciarum Trium" - that would be in brief the synthesis of this important military-political, economic-commercial and cultural-artistic center, the miniature copy of the mother Rome.
Imperialism had irreversibly and unmistakably marked the existence and the consciousness of the Romanced popular Latin speaker inhabitants.
This was the beginning of a new world - orbs romana. The settling continuity, the pre-early and late feudal towns and graveyards, the hoards, the rotunda baptistery uncovered from the Roman-Catholic Cathedral's floor, the presence of Hyeroteos who came here straight from Constantinopol, indicate the existence of a Christian world with Byzantine background and of an important political center - the Principality of Bãlgrad.

Middle Age was earlier here, Alba being certified as a county in 1171, then as "civitas", along with Brasov, Sibiu and Rodna. The first documentary reference Alba Iulia had been made in 1276, and was then taken over and consequently translated as Bãlgrad or Gyulafehérvár.
An Episcopal citadel and an important political, military and ecclesiastic center of the province, Alba Iulia reached an important climax between 1542-1690, being the capital of the independent Principality of Transylvania and "the residence of the Transylvanian princes", as the traveler Evlia Celebi eloquently wrote. Famous rulers and voivodes, musicians and painters, ambassadors and scholars, engineers and doctors met in "the city of fine arts", endowing this "Transylvanian Heidelberg" with a new glowing.
An important commercial center, a real foundation stone of the province and of the entire South-Eastern European world, the city has gained a special cultural importance due to the notable accomplishments in the bishops Ladislau Gereb and Francis Varday's time but mostly during the prince Gabriel Bethlen's time.
The well-known Collegium Academicum, the first higher educational institution in Transylvania, which had been running since 1622, boasted for about four decades some of the most brilliant representatives of the European Humanism and Renaissance: Apaczai Csere Janos, Martin Opitz, Alstedius, Biserfeldius, Johannes Piscator, genuine titans with passion for knowledge and multilaterality. Nowadays the local universities continue the tradition of the old academic schools.
Between 1577-1702, more than 22 works, "real masterpieces of language, belief and Romanian feeling", such as Tetraevangheliarul slavon (1579), Evanghelia de invatatura (1641), Noul Testament de la Balgrad (1648), Psaltirea (1651), Bucoavna (1699) or Chiriacodromionul (1699) came out of the printing presses of Balgrad. The ample series of incunabula and rare books (such as Codex Aureus) from the Batthyaneum Library (where it is the oldest astronomic observatory in Romania) enrich through their singleness the culture of Alba Iulia. The well-known Collegium Academicum, the first higher educational institution in Transylvania, which had been running since 1622, boasted for about four decades some of the most brilliant representatives of the European Humanism and Renaissance: Apaczai Csere Janos, Martin Opitz, Alstedius, Biserfeldius, Johannes Piscator, genuine titans with passion for knowledge and multilaterality. Nowadays the local universities continue the tradition of the old academic schools.
Between 1577-1702, more than 22 works, "real masterpieces of language, belief and Romanian feeling", such as Tetraevangheliarul slavon (1579), Evanghelia de invatatura (1641), Noul Testament de la Balgrad (1648), Psaltirea (1651), Bucoavna (1699) or Chiriacodromionul (1699) came out of the printing presses of Balgrad.

The ample series of incunabula and rare books (such as Codex Aureus) from the Batthyaneum Library (where it is the oldest astronomic observatory in Romania) enrich through their singleness the culture of Alba Iulia.
On the first of November 1599, once with the voivode Michael the Brave's victorious arrival, Alba Iulia has become the capital of the first political union of all Romanians. His military, administrative, cultural and national accomplishments represent a seal-symbol of the Transylvanian map and of Romanian people's consciousness. The mitropoly that he had founded here, "our most resistant and useful establishment from this side of the Carpathians", symbolizes the integration of Transylvania into the great Romania.
Having been overtaken by the Austrian suzerainty after 1700, the city of Alba Iulia had experienced fundamental changes between 1714-1738 and therefore became a real military bulwark, a monument of baroque architecture built in Vauban style.
Alba Iulia has the greatest and best-preserved fortress of this kind in Romania, which has become an effigy of the city. The serfs revolt led by Horea, Closca and Crisan, tragically put down in February 28th 1785 on the Pitchfork Hill, makes the city a seal symbol of the fight for justice and freedom.
Eloquently defined by Nicolae Iorga as "the cultural municipality", Alba Iulia also honored its reputation through the synods organized by the Romanian priests, through public assemblies of Astra (1866, 1875, 1886) and those of the Romanian Theatre Fund Society (1878, 1909), through papers and publications, the well known names of St. Ludwig Roth, Mihai Eminescu, Nicolae Iorga, Octavian Goga, Lucian Blaga, Liviu Rebreanu, Iuliu Maniu, Constantin Daicoviciu ennobling the city.
On the 1st of December 1918 another glorious page of history was written in the citadel of martyrdom and glory, as a corollary of its millenary history. Here, in Alba Iulia, on the Field of Horea, 100,000 Romanians and 1,228 delegates have democratically, plebiscitarily and irrevocably decided the Unification of Transylvania with the mother country, accomplishing the dream of many generations.
A new historical stage came to an end, a stage also outlined on the 15th of October 1922 by "our defining in terms of history", through the crowning of the Great Romania's monarchs, the King Ferdinand the 1st, the Unificator and his queen Mary, in the People's Reunification Cathedral.
As an acknowledgement of its contribution to the history of our nation, in 1944 the Romanian Parliament has stated Alba Iulia as the "Great Unification Citadel".
http://www.apulum.ro/en/istoria.htm