1. Warsaw Trade Tower,208m,43flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

2.Złota 44,192 m,54flrs,2010,POLAND (WARSAW)

3.Twin City (Ružinov),170m,42floors,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

4.InterContinental Warszawa,164 m,45flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

5.Rondo 1-B [Rondo 1],159 m,40flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

6.Eurovea Phase II (Ružinov),150m,?,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

7.Warsaw Financial Center,144 m,35flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

8.CISS Tower,140(or152m),40flrs,SLOVAKIA (ZILINA)

9.Lipový Park I (Staré Mesto),141m,39flrs,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

10.Centrum Lim,140 m,43flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

11.Oxford Tower,139 m,42flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

12.Panorama City Twins,135m,39flrs,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)



P.S-Palace of Culture and Science ain"t really a skyscraper:-))

P.S2-Can somebody fix EMPORIS.COM for Bratislava"s skyscrapers(They know s..t about projects in BA,ZA etc).

Cvernovka project from Sekyra group situated in Ruzinov, Bratislava will have at least 140m (from visualisations)

I"ve read "only" 120.Can you sen here some pixs?I couldn"t find anything around 140m

Nice. Just dont forget there are planned 2 new towers in Warsaw over 200m.
(they will be completed probably in 2011):)

It seems this thread should be named TOP 12 skyscrapers in Poland and Slovakia.:D

I"m grabbing all information from EMPORIS.COm,If you"re sure about more skyscrapers in Warsaw,give me some information or pictures.
That"s because in Czech Republic and Hungary aren"t any skyscrapers.Thats why.If I"ll go under 100 metres,then you can see buildings even in Hungary and
Czech Republic.That"s not my bad,that in Czech and Hungary in a near future
will not construct any SKYSCRAPER!!!:lol:

If you mean-
European Trade Center ,260 m ,58 -never built
Tower of European Unity,200meters-never built
or even Wieża Jedności(by the way-thats really impressive vision)..

I"m grabbing all information from EMPORIS.COm,If you"re sure about more skyscrapers in Warsaw,give me some information or pictures.
That"s because in Czech Republic and Hungary aren"t any skyscrapers.Thats why.If I"ll go under 100 metres,then you can see buildings even in Hungary and
Czech Republic.That"s not my bad,that in Czech and Hungary in a near future
will not construct any SKYSCRAPER!!!:lol:

hope no skyscrapers will be built here, we are country of many historical and nature monuments and we are also the richest country in CE, so we CAN build smaller buildings, but often more luxurious, and skyscrapers just doesn't fit in here.

Skyscrapers are good maybe for Dubai, America or Eastern parts of Asia.. ;-)

My 100 post! Hey I'm so good! :D

watch out man, in Prague there is Empiria Tower with 104m and City tower with 109m. But you are right with Budapest, no buildings over 100m there.

hope no skyscrapers will be built here, we are country of many historical and nature monuments and we are also the richest country in CE, so we CAN build smaller buildings, but often more luxurious, and skyscrapers just doesn't fit in here.

Skyscrapers are good maybe for Dubai, America or Eastern parts of Asia.. ;-)

My 100 post! Hey I'm so good! :D

Well... I always thought that skyscrapers are built, because companies wanted prestigious locations corresponding with their wealth, and height reflecting their power and possibilities, I also thought that the other thing that puts scraper on the ground are the prices of ground. Nowadays we have got a skyscraper boom in Europe, mayby your comment is just a way to reduce cognitive dissonance connected with the fact that noone is building scrapers in your country.
;)
grats on yo 100 post

hope no skyscrapers will be built here, we are country of many historical and nature monuments and we are also the richest country in CE, so we CAN build smaller buildings, but often more luxurious, and skyscrapers just doesn't fit in here.

Skyscrapers are good maybe for Dubai, America or Eastern parts of Asia.. ;-)

My 100 post! Hey I'm so good! :D

Czech Republic is the richest country in Visegrad, not CE

Central Europe comprises Germany, Austria, Slovenia, ... as well.

http://www.matuska.org/jan/skyscrapercity/jn.png

2012

1.Sky tower,220 m POLAND (WROCłAW)

2. Warsaw Trade Tower,208m,43flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

3.Lilium - Marriott II, 200m, >flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

4.Złota 44,192 m,54flrs,2010,POLAND (WARSAW)

5 Wieża Wolności (Freedom tower) I ,182 m,POLAND (GDANSK(TRICITY))

6.Twin City (Ružinov),170m,42floors,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

7.InterContinental Warszawa,164 m,45flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

8.Hines tower 160 m ,POLAND (WARSAW)

9.Wieża Wolności (Freedom tower) II ,160 m,POLAND (GDANSK(TRICITY))

10.Rondo 1-B [Rondo 1],159 m,40flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

11.Eurovea Phase II (Ružinov),150m,?,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

12.Wolska Tower,150 m POLAND (WARSAW)
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13.Warsaw Financial Center,144 m,35flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

14.CISS Tower,140(or152m),40flrs,SLOVAKIA (ZILINA)

15.Lipový Park I (Staré Mesto),141m,39flrs,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

16.Centrum Lim,140 m,43flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

17.Oxford Tower,139 m,42flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

18.See Towers,138 m, POLAND (GDYNIA(TRICITY))

But i think will be more towers, especially in Warsaw.Where boom is starting already ,after changing the mayors.

Thanks-kiryl65.More information,good for us.
Im gonna check it out.Anyway-good for Poland.I really love skyscrapers.

To all czech habitats-Do not saying,you wouldn"t like to see any skyscraper
in your town.Of course,monuments and historical buildings have also Warsaw,Bratislava and Zilina...etc.You can not fit skyscraper anywhere you
want,but where is place and fitting skyscraper at that place and even doesn"t look bad like this in Londonhttp://www.globalphotos.org/london/20041226/DSCN4579.jpg

to slowake.
I know,We are talking about highrises,at least 120-140metres.

watch out man, in Prague there is Empiria Tower with 104m and City tower with 109m. But you are right with Budapest, no buildings over 100m there.

Thank goodness! I don't like the skyscrapers! Budapest isn't New York! Fortunately !!!!!!!!44:)

Palace of Culture is also a skyscraper

"Palace of Police" Teve Street (Budapest) 93m :puke:

http://www.fotav.hu/..%5C..%5C..%5Cletoltheto%5CReferencia%5C27.gif

Pff... I hate police :down:

But Budapest is looks better without skyscrapers...this is a historical city...:)

Czech Republic is the richest country in Visegrad, not CE

Central Europe comprises Germany, Austria, Slovenia, ... as well.

http://www.matuska.org/jan/skyscrapercity/jn.png

But in 15/20 year time :D:cheers:

"Palace of Police" Teve Street (Budapest) 93m :puke:

What´s wrong with that?

you are blind, oreo? :)

Butch83
Well... I always thought that skyscrapers are built, because companies wanted prestigious locations corresponding with their wealth, and height reflecting their power and possibilities, I also thought that the other thing that puts scraper on the ground are the prices of ground..

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
Typically for "someone around"-You dont have it,so you dont need it.If you have it,of course is perfect idea and only "no-rich" countries don"t have it.That"s typical-don"t get me wrong,mate:)

Again-skyscrapers are built, because companies wanted prestigious locations corresponding with their wealth, and height reflecting to show their power and possibilities of country and economic.
And economic stability as well...

you are blind, oreo? :)

yes, I need further explanation so go on...;)

Budapest:
High limit inside Hungaria Boulevard 45 m
outside: 65 m

But in 15/20 year time :D:cheers:

heh... of course slovakia will be the richest country in CE :-)))) :cheers: :nuts:

It is quite impossible to build hi-rise buildings in Prague. The city is really protective about its current skyline. Prague inhabitants are very proud of its history(well may be they are just uneducated, so they do not know, that Prague is nothing special, thus Europe is full of historical cities) and they are very conservative about any changes.

I think Warszaw is the only progressive and modern city in CE. Well, may be some other postcommunist cities in Germany are also quite interesting. For example Dresden(but not with hi-rises..they do not build them)

I think Warszaw is the only progressive and modern city in CE. Well, may be some other postcommunist cities in Germany are also quite interesting. For example Dresden(but not with hi-rises..they do not build them)

Probably If Warsaw wouldnt have been vaporized, the attitude of Warsovians would be similar to inhabitants of Prague, neverhteless in every city one can find good place for a decent scyscraper complex without spoilong the historical views and locations.

I lived in Prague for few years and I can not remember any suitable location for skyscrapers in there. I think, no company will build it on periphery and in central parts of city is not any acceptable place I know if(may be someone else knows). Few hirises are on Pankrac, but further development of hi-rises here is quite unrealistic.

I would like to have skyscrapers in big cities in Czech Republic like Praha, Brno ...

I hate current office architecture style in CZ, almost all of this new buildings are the same, they have 4 or 6 floors, they are square and covered by glass and they are shit.
Do you remember one of this buildings? Will you remember one of this building after 15 years?

I dont know Prague too good, but I think, there must be some newer areas with modern(also communistic) architecture suitable for 100-150m scrapers. Its not like Prague stopped developing 100years ago

I would like to have skyscrapers in big cities in Czech Republic like Praha, Brno ...

I hate current office architecture style in CZ, almost all of this new buildings are the same, they have 4 or 6 floors, they are square and covered by glass and they are shit.
Do you remember one of this buildings? Will you remember one of this building after 15 years?

Yes, it is a shame. Most new commercial buildings are just glass boxes autogenerated with some freeware cad program:)

I think skyscapers can fit to every city in the world. It depends only on they architecture and location. Prague and Budapest are not exceptions. Of course noone wants to build them on Staromestské square or on Andrasy boulevard. There is plenty of appropriate locations in both cities.

I know Prague better then Budapest and I can say the view from the castle is certainly not damaged by the highrises in Pankrác. There should be even more highrises and it would be breathtaking scenery with old and new architecture.

There is no such thing as historical city. Cities must live, not fall asleep in one style. Gothic, renaissance, baroque, classicisme and even eclecticism were nice but all citites should give a chance to modern architecture sa well. Skyscraper is for modern architecture something like cathedral for gothic. Don't you like cathedrals?

Czechs..bla,bla,bla..
You can construct and build any skyscraper,but Bratislava has a town-architect.Praque does not.That"s the problem..........Look at this thread.-http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438515
So,If you live in modern and historical city as well..Man,we are in 21century..

No comment :lol:

DO NOT FORGET,WHERE YOU ARE GUYS!!!THIS IS FORUM ABOUT SKYSCRAPERS,NOT ABOUT SOME HISTORIC CITIES LIKE NEAPOL ETC..WE"RE Talking about DyNAMIC CITIES.
GO TO historicalcitity.com...AND DO NOT TALK ABOUT THESE BU...S IN HERE:banana:

Regarding Prague...

There will be no significant skyscrapers built because of one simple reason and that is because UNESCO has already threatend to take the city of their list if any new skyscrapers are built that will be visibel from the old center and the castle. The city gets funding from UNESCO and more importantly can use the fact that their on the UNESCO list in their marketing campaign which is priceless. Infact there have been numerous proposals for skyscrapers around Pankrac i think that have been shot down every singel time not by Prague but by UNESCO. So in reality there is realy no comparison between Prague, Warsaw, Bratislava and Budapest because Prague is in a very different situation. as far as the rest of Czechia is concerend then there realy are no other cities with the critical mass to warant the building of skyscrapers. So in the end we probably wont see any significant skyscrapers being built within our lifetimes in Cazech republic...all because of one reason and that is because its more profitabel for Prague to not alow them then be taken of the UNESCO list.

Unesco:
Historic Centre of Warsaw (1980)
Historic Centre of Prague (1992)
Are You trying to say that Unesco decides what is built in Prague?:lol:

It is not only Prague. Look at Rome, City with three times bigger population. In Rome you can hardly find building higher than 80m.

But it is true, that we are not living in history and good vibrating metropolis needs new architecture. Urban areas must evolve, being places where human creativity plays big role in creating new architectural and urbanistic visions. Reflecting changes in our understanding of the world..and the universe...and whatever:)

Pankrác is not district protected by UNESCO so I can't see any reason why they ban construction there. Is it visible from the castle? Who cares? It's like if they ban construction of La Defense in Paris because it's visible from Eiffel tower. Tourists in Prague know they are not in 19th century and they are expecting they will see some modern architectur too.

Unesco:
Historic Centre of Warsaw (1980)
Historic Centre of Prague (1992)
Are You trying to say that Unesco decides what is built in Prague?:lol:

No I never said they decide what is built but they have a huge influence on what is built. Though to be honest the situation in Prague is a bit more complex then just the UNESCO factor.

On a another note Historic center of Warsaw and Prague are to different things mainly because in Warsaw there are no significant views or panaromas to protect like in Prague.

Now everyone can have their own opinion on what they think is right for Prague and personaly im not necesesarly against skyscrapers so long as their not over imposing and their architecture is top notch. In any case there are several areas well suited for them that are risk free such as across the river from Palmovka station...I think there are two towers there already from what I remeber when I was there last time and tons of redevelopabel land.

Here is a couple articles regarding the situation.

Culture Ministry to follow UNESCO advice over Pankrac skyscrapers

The Culture Ministry has postponed a decision on whether or not to allow the building of two new skyscrapers in Prague's Pankrac district. The ministry says it will follow the recommendations of a UNESCO committee which is looking into the matter. Some conservationists say a 31-storey office building and a 21-storey hotel would be a blot on the city's horizon. There are already three tall buildings on Pankrac Plain, including a Czech Radio building which was never completed.

Skyscrapers can threaten Prague's UNESCO listing - associations
PRAGUE, March 2 (CTK) - Prague could be deleted from the prestigious list of UNESCO world cultural heritage due to the planned skyscrapers in Prague-Pankrac, representatives of several civic association have told reporters. The associations criticise the investors' building plans and some of them have asked UNESCO representatives to pay attentionto this matter.

picture-skyscraper.jpgJan Knezinek, head of the Prague City Hall heritage protection section, said that Prague's UNESCO listing is not threatened in connection with the planned construction of skyscrapers. "This is absolute nonsense," Knezinek told CTK. He noted that the Prague City Hall heritage protectors, as well as the National Heritage Institute and the municipal group of experts have issued a positive expert opinion about the construction study of skyscrapers.

The association said that two new skyscrapers are to complete the current high buildings in Pankrac, but they should not exceed the level of the City Empiria complex (104 m). According to original plans, the new skyscrapers were to be much higher than the currently highest building in Prague, City Tower (109 m).

Martin Skalsky from the Arnika association said that the new skyscrapers would harm Prague's panorama. Josef Stulc, head of the Czech committee of the UNESCO International Council of Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), also expressed fears in connection with the skyscrapers. Stulc recalled that UNESCO representatives solved two very similar problems in Vienna and Cologne, Germany. In Vienna the plans for skyscrapers were probably scrapped, while Cologne was listed among threatened heritage, Stulc added. He stressed that Prague now faces the same threat.

Knezinek on his part said that this is just Stulc's personalopinion. Several associations have opposed the plans of the investor, ECM company, for many years. Part of the associations turned to UNESCO, saying that in the Czech Republic they have used all possible means of preventing the construction. Other associations prepare a similar letter toUNESCO.


PRAHA (Arnika - Centrum pro podporu občanů) - March 1, 2006
The Czech Republic breaks the obligations it undertook in the time when the UNESCO organisation inscribed Prague on the World Cultural Heritage List. This is claimed by Arnika, Ateliér pro životní prostředí (Studio for the Environment), Občanská iniciativa Pankráce (Citizens Initiative of Pankrác), and several other citizens associations which have filed a complaint, which is now heading for the UNESCO headquarters (1). In the complaint, they draw attention to the project „City“ (2) of the developer company ECM, planning construction of two new skyscrapers in the Pankrác plain, in the protective zone of the Prague conservation area. According to the citizens associations, the skyscrapers could result in deletion of Prague from the UNESCO list, and endangering of international reputation of the Czech Republic. This fear is shared also by experts on urban conservation.

„One of the reasons why Prague was inscribed on the World Cultural Heritage List was its preserved historic panorama. While the greater part of the European metropolises is dominated by new buildings made of glass and concrete, Prague is, even after centuries, still the city of towers,“ says Martin Skalský, head of the Centre for Citizens Support of the Arnika Association. „According to the international agreement, the Czech Republic is obliged to discuss all projects, which could change the Prague panorama, with the UNESCO headquarters. This was not done in the case of the skyscrapers. Preparation of the project of the Pankrác „City“ is carried out on the sly. Because of that, we considered necessary to inform the Paris UNESCO headquarters about the impending devastation of identity of our city ,“ explains Skalský.

According to Doc. Josef Štulc, president of the Czech National Committee of the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), and, until quite recently, the main conservator of the National Conservation Institute, the threat of deletion of Prague from the UNESCO list is very serious for the Czech Republic. „Not long ago, Vienna was facing a similar international scandal (3). The city applied for inscription on the UNESCO list, and, simultaneously, it permitted construction of high-rise buildings near the railway station Wien Mitte. The town hall had to spent huge financial means on compensation of investors and cancellation of the project. Only after that, the World Heritage Committee agreed with granting of the status of a UNESCO monument. At the present time, a completely identical situation exists in Cologne (4), which was included in the list of endangered UNESCO monuments because of construction of skyscrapers in optical contact with the famous cathedral,“ said Štulc, according to whom the situation requires a quick action. „If discussions about deletion of Prague from the UNESCO list are started, it will seriously damage reputation of the Czech Republic in the world. By that, we would send a signal that we are not able to take care of our cultural heritage, and that we do not comply with voluntarily undertaken international obligations.“

The citizens associations contacted the UNESCO headquarters only after they had exhausted all possibilities at the level of the Czech Republic. „We have tried to defend protection of historic cultural values of Prague in administrative proceedings, but unfortunately, completely unsuccessfully so far,“ said Judr. Ondřej Tošner, lawyer of Ateliér pro životní prostředí. „The Department of Protection of Monuments of the Prague Metropolitan Authority is conducting administrative proceedings concerning the both Epoque high-rise buildings, but it did not inform the citizens associations about it at all. Thus, we do not even know whether a decision was made, and, if so, what the decision was. Ateliér pro životní prostředí filed an appeal against the procedures of the Metropolitan Authority to the Ministry of Culture. From that time, more than four months have passed already, and within this whole period the Metropolitan Authority has not handed over the administration file to the Ministry, although the deadline of one month is set for this by the law. The new management of the Ministry of Culture has begun to solve the problem, but we are afraid that it could be too late. The investor aims already to obtain issuance of the planning permission,“ said the lawyer.

Chairwoman of Občanská iniciativa Pankráce, Marie Janoušková, says that the aim of the complaint of the citizens associations to UNESCO is not to disable completion of development of the Pankrác plain. „Naturally, we do not wish that the Pankrác plain remains in its present state. Now, it is a shame of the city. Moreover, one of the most lucrative plots of land in the whole Prague are located here. However, the new buildings must respect Prague standards and qualities. In an ideal case, they should also meet the needs of local inhabitants. Unfortunately, the investors offered only projects of second-class architectural quality as yet, the only motive of which is quick financial profit and effort to be visible from wide surroundings. If the skyscrapers are constructed, a few companies will make a big profit. However, the whole Prague, including us, who live in Pankrác, will pay for their profit,“ explained Janoušková the standpoint of her association.

According to architect Vlado Milunić, author of, for example, the famous Dancing House, there exists a universally acceptable solution, but management of the city has not paid attention to such proposals as yet. „Construction of high-rise buildings on the plateau of the Pankrác plain was an obvious town planning mistake of the 1970s. Today, we can rectify it, for example, by construction of new buildings optically heightening the horizon. If buildings having a half, or, at most, two thirds of height of the three existing high-rise buildings were constructed in the space among them, the mass of the skyscrapers will not make such adverse impression any more.“ Milunić is afraid that if the two new „Epoque“ skyscrapers were constructed in Pankrác, it would create a dangerous precedent for other investors. „Within the following decade, further high-rise building could appear on the Prague horizon, and, thus, the unique Prague identity would be lost forever.“

Very interresting article about hisotory and future of skycrapers in the world and especially in Slovakia, only in Slovak: http://reality.etrend.sk/102832/realitny-biznis/veziaky-signalizuju-moc-a-vplyv

This is part about future in Slovakia:

Prvý po mraky

Chystá sa však niečo, čo dá zabudnúť na všetko, čo tu bolo doteraz. Twin City na Mlynských nivách nahradí starú autobusovú stanicu, ako aj opustenú káblovku. Budú tu byty, kancelárie, obrovské nákupné a zábavné centrum a – hotelový vežiak so 42 poschodiami. Výška by mala dosiahnuť 160 až 170 metrov. Teda dve VÚB-ky alebo Incheby na sebe. Keďže nová budova bude prvou nad 150-metrovou hranicou, ktorá sa vo svete pokladá za prah pre mrakodrapy, pôjde aj o historicky prvý slovenský mrakodrap. Celý komplex za 17 mld. Sk by mal byť zrelý na nasťahovanie v roku 2011. Bude to jeden z najväčších realitných projektov v strednej Európe.

Ostatní developeri sa však s druhou priečkou určite nadlho nezmieria. Už teraz presakujú informácie o vežiakoch, ktoré sa chystajú na petržalskej strane mosta Apollo, okolo Bajkalskej ulice či vedľa NBS. Chystá sa výstavba okolo budúcej trasy rýchlo- električky v Petržalke. Priestory pre výškové budovy majú byť napríklad v súčasnom areáli Istrochemu okolo Vajnorskej ulice či na zvyšku bývalej rafinérie Apollo okolo Košickej. Dôvodov je dosť. Na jednej strane čoraz drahšie pozemky, záujem ľudí o výškové byty, úspora pri výstavbe na strane investorov. Pod kotol prikladá aj súťaž o prestíž.

Podľa bratislavského primátora Andreja Ďurkovského sú výškové budovy celosvetovým trendom, treba však zvážiť, do akého priestoru ich umiestňovať. „Nesúhlasím s tým, aby stáli v historickom centre, v novovznikajúcich štvrtiach to však nie je problém,“ vysvetľuje primátor. Bratislava sa teda mrakodrapom brániť nebude.

Jej príklad budú nasledovať aj iné mestá. V Žiline už začali stavať 22-poschodový vežiak Amfiteater, v Banskej Bystrici rastie Europa Business Center s rovnakým množstvom podlaží. Výšková budova sa plánuje aj v košickom komplexe Cassovar či ďalších mestách. Pozerať sa na svet z výšky je lákavé. S rastom ekonomického bohatstva Slovenska to bude lákať čoraz viac.

Ilustračné foto - SITA/AP, vizualizácia Lipa Investment, HB Reavis Group

Very interresting article about hisotory and future of skycrapers in the world and especially in Slovakia, only in Slovak: http://reality.etrend.sk/102832/realitny-biznis/veziaky-signalizuju-moc-a-vplyv

This is part about future in Slovakia:

Czech and Slovak sounds funny;):)

Ok.Small update than.

2012

1.Sky tower,220 m POLAND (WROCłAW)

2. Warsaw Trade Tower,208m,43flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

3.Big Boy Building,202m,POLAND,(GDANSK(TRICITY))

4.Lilium - Marriott II, 200m, >flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

5.Złota 44,192 m,54flrs,2010,POLAND (WARSAW)

6 Wieża Wolności (Freedom tower) I ,182 m,POLAND (GDANSK(TRICITY))

7.Twin City (Ružinov),170m,42floors,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

8.InterContinental Warszawa,164 m,45flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

9.Hines tower 160 m ,POLAND (WARSAW)

10.Wieża Wolności (Freedom tower) II ,160 m,POLAND (GDANSK(TRICITY))

11.Rondo 1-B [Rondo 1],159 m,40flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

12.Eurovea Phase II (Ružinov),150m,?,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)
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13.Wolska Tower,150 m POLAND (WARSAW)

14.Warsaw Financial Center,144 m,35flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

15.CISS Tower,140(or152m),40flrs,SLOVAKIA (ZILINA)

16.Lipový Park I (Staré Mesto),141m,39flrs,SLOVAKIA (BRATISLAVA)

17.Centrum Lim,140 m,43flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

18.Oxford Tower,139 m,42flrs,POLAND (WARSAW)

19.Sea Towers,138 m, POLAND (GDYNIA(TRICITY))

Big Boy
http://img2.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/8200/z8284.jpg
:cheers:

I think that you should include Austrian and German skyscrapers as well or rename the topic from Central Europe to Visegrad... what do you think?

Besides, to my mind, Warsaw is a natural agglomeration center and will be one of the fastest growing European regions in the following years

http://www.matuska.org/jan/skyscrapercity/jn.png

Czech and Slovak sounds funny;):)

You can hear what you read? Or how you know how sounds Czech and Slovak language from short Slovak article?:nuts:

BTW, to me was funny when I heard the date of bird of one person in Polish. I heard only something like řščpšřššščřprš.

I have heard Czech many times, been there few time either. Actually it wasnt supposed to be any insult;) Czech and Slovak are very similar, not to say almost identical, I also watched czech tv programme few times. Polish and Czech/Slovak is also similar, so sometimes words have the same/similar meaning, but in the different context. Probably it works vice versa, so enjoy;)
I also believe that Polish G is H in Czech/Slovak, Been to Czerna Hora which means Czarna Góra in polish, black mountain in english if anyones interested;)

It wasn't an offence. It was funny because that person didn't wante to let me and my friends now how old she is so she decided to tell us it in Polish and so we didn't understand a word.

Czech and Slovak have many similar or the same words however they have different accent. I don't know if foreigners can notice it but for Slovaks and Czech it's fact. It's also interresting that if some Slovak speaks Czech you are almost not able to hear the difference between him and original Czech speaker. But, when a Czech speaks Slovak you know it after one or two words. Polish language has even more dofferent accent. To me it's more similar to Czech than Slovak.

"Palace of Police" Teve Street (Budapest) 93m :puke:

http://www.fotav.hu/..%5C..%5C..%5Cletoltheto%5CReferencia%5C27.gif

come on...it's not so bad! only antenna is a bit shitty, but everything else is okay! ;)

Big Boy
http://img2.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/8200/z8284.jpg
:cheers:

and...whooa! this is nice! :okay: :applause:

Big Boy
http://img2.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/8200/z8284.jpg
:cheers:

nice falic symbol.... :lol:

nice falic symbol.... :lol:

Every skyscraper is...some say that´s because of presence of male architects in history of architecture..anyway there are definitely connections with psychology.

Every skyscraper is...some say that´s because of presence of male architects in history of architecture..anyway there are definitely connections with psychology.

yeah, i know... but this one is definitely like a d.i.c.k.... :cheers: i dont know why, but that´s the first what came to my mind when i saw that pic :-))))))

^^Probably it came to your mind mainly because of its name - "big boy"

yeah its probably because of the name, its too cubist to look like a dick. In my opinion, this is probably the biggest dick in the world:

http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/barcelona/kvesp1023s.jpg

^^Probably it came to your mind mainly because of its name - "big boy"

yeah... big boy... and shape :cheers: so why big boy?

yeah its probably because of the name, its too cubist to look like a dick. In my opinion, this is probably the biggest dick in the world:

http://www.aviewoncities.com/img/barcelona/kvesp1023s.jpg

where is this?

^^ Torre Agbar of Barcelona, 142m in height, supposed to resemble a "geyser." :hilarious

I think this is the most falic scraper ever...but never built:)

http://tekket.webz.cz/greenbird.jpg

info at
http://www.future-systems.com/architecture/architecture_21.html

hope no skyscrapers will be built here, we are country of many historical and nature monuments and we are also the richest country in CE, so we CAN build smaller buildings, but often more luxurious, and skyscrapers just doesn't fit in here.


I concur.

I concur.

thanx.

Note: I didn't wanted to say all skycrapers are bad, I obviously agree with building new skyscrapers, in plains with no hills or in places highly affected by commie architecture it can look amazingly. I can't imagine building it 4 example in Karlovy Vary, Liberec or Prague. On the other side, there is more cities where they can match more ;)

^^ If Paris have one of the biggest skylines in europe I can't see why Prague shouldnt have any...

Because Prague is not Paris?

-Ataman

Because Prague is not Paris?

-Ataman

Damn dude! U certainly have some arguments!:lol:

Damn dude! U certainly have some arguments!:lol:

yeah its quite funny, London is not Frankfurt and they both have skyscrapers.

Every city is different. If Prague had built its own skyscraper district in 70s like Paris, then maybe it should have different approach today. Besides, there are quite many cities in europe with the same conservative view on building skyscrapers...like most German cities or Rome...or Budapest

Besides, there are quite many cities in europe with the same conservative view on building skyscrapers...

And there are more cities around the world (especially developing countries) which have a liberal view on building glass and steel than what you just said.

The lack of skyscrapers and the abundance of spires and domes is what makes Prague special.

And people tend to forget that progress can exist without skyscrapers.

-Ataman

Regarding highrisers in Prague, there was competition organized by the city in 1998 about what to do with Pankrác and this urban plan had won.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6955/file0001aht2.jpg.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5040/file0002azn0.jpg.

Were not for this UNESCO organization, it is already part of Prague's official city plan.
But never say never, tomorrow is another day... ;)
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1543/p1100517lf0.jpg

Something similar to London's "Swiss Re" wouldn't look too bad in Prague, though.

http://www.gardenvisit.com/landscape/london/lguide/images/swiss-re-building2.jpg

But not boxes, please.

-Ataman

BA wrote, that Autoker is planning a min 200 m building in Budapest... Is that true?

The lack of skyscrapers and the abundance of spires and domes is what makes Prague special.
Not really... not in europe at least

On this list of skyscrapers, there are seA towers, not seE towers in Gdynia (TriCity).

And someone has a question why in Gdansk (TriCity) the newest tower have a curious name... Big Boy Building (202 m) - BBB Tower has definetly strange name, because his name are other, strange and probably fine to remember it :) That is positive. This building are big too, then big Boy ;)
:banana: Is true, that is a great tower and 100 meters to Baltic coast :cheers:
http://img2.trojmiasto.pl/zdj/fotki_duze/8200/z8284.jpg

Some more news regarding skyscrapers in Pakrac Prague.
Personaly im not even sure if im against skyscrapers in Pancrac or for them. The safest thing to do is to not build them but if you do build them there is the posibility that it will only enhance the views and the feel of Prague...though on the other hand it could have the opisit effect which Prague would be stuck with for a long time.

UNESCO recommendation gives hope to opponents of new skyscrapers
[10-07-2007] By Ruth Frankova

Experts from UNESCO's World Heritage Committee, meeting in New Zealand last week, suggested Prague should reconsider the planned construction of several new skyscrapers in the district of Pankrac. The Committee said plans should respect the skyline of Prague's historic centre, which was one of the main reasons Prague was included on UNESCO's list of World Heritage Sites.
Pankrac Pankrac

With its thousands of square metres of potential building ground, Pankrac Plain has always attracted builders and investors. During the socialist era, it was to become an administrative and leisure centre for people from the nearby housing estates, but in the end, three individually standing skyscrapers is all that has been left from those times. The buildings were nicknamed "vykotlane zuby" ("hollow teeth"), which they resemble when you look at the skyline from Prague Castle. One of those buildings is the shell of what was to become the main centre of the former Czechoslovak Radio. Its construction started in 1976 but the building has never been finished. At 109 metres, it remains the highest building in the Czech Republic.

In recent years, skyscrapers have become a hot issue again. An investor presented a radical plan to develop Pankrac Plain; this includes completion of the abandoned Radio centre, and building, among other things, the two skyscrapers which prompted the present dispute with UNESCO. Investors argue that with three high-rise buildings already standing on the horizon, it doesn't really matter if they are joined by a few more. But many conservationists and a number of civic associations disagree. Martin Skalsky is the chairman of the Centre for Citizen Support of the Arnika environmental NGO.

"We follow the case since we were established about six years ago and from our point of view it's a kind of model case of Prague because the construction of Pankrac Plain violates the urban plan of Prague and it causes environmental problems in the city and it also impacts the citizen in the area of Prague 4 so we are trying to solve it because there are a lot of similar cases like this so we would like to show the broader problem of the city."
Pankrac Pankrac

With a popular and cheap market place already razed to the ground to be replaced with a modern shopping centre with thousands of parking places, and dozens of administrative buildings cropping up in the surrounding area, the historical skyline may not be the main concern of the people who live in Pankrac. Vit Janousek, vice-chairman of the Obcanska iniciativa Pankrace civic association believes that offices are not what people from the neighbourhood really need.
Martin Skalsky Martin Skalsky

"We think that our inhabitants need civil services and small shops and they need not only high-rise buildings with offices. Because these offices can only bring the high volume of transport and we think this volume of transport will have impact to air pollution situation and high acoustic level."
If the investors go ahead with their plan, Prague risks being included on UNESCO's World Heritage in Danger list or being deleted from the list of World Heritage Sites. Vienna faced a similar problem in 2004 when it planned a construction of skyscrapers near the city's main railway station. Its inscription on the World Heritage site was held up and it was renewed only after changes to the building plan were made. With the latest news from New Zealand, civil activists, like Martin Skalsky, finally have a reason to believe that their appeal to UNESCO may bear some fruit after all:
"In last five years or six years we had negotiations with all the governmental authorities and the city of Prague and ministry of culture and none of them was interested to solve the problem and to really do something in this case. So we believe that UNESCO is the last authority that we could address with this problem. It is most likely they will issue some statement that will criticize the project and we hope that it will really stop it but so far it is not really clear."

Whatever the final word from UNESCO will be, one thing is clear. It will definitely take a few more years before the people from Pankrac will live to see some silence. With prices of real estate steadily rising, it is unlikely that investors will miss a chance to make the best of the vast building grounds just within eyeshot from the historical centre of Prague.

^^
bullshit!

Interesting discussion here guys. I work in heritage in Sydney, Australia. The news about UNESCO and Prague is also here in Australia. Prague is a much admired city here - very popular with Australians (we even have a few Czech restaurants here!). In Australian cites we have nineteenth century areas alongside mini-Manhattans in city centres. In Sydney for example we have a nationally significant port town, Millers Point, and behind it is a wall of skyscrapers in the CBD. Not much "setting" here!

But of course not only is everybody visiting Prague's history but all the movie makers go there because they can get undamaged historical settings. In Sydney it is impossible to make an historical movie because the camera operator has to lie on their stomach to screen out the backdrop of skyscrapers!

I think Czech Republic (Don't call it Czechia - horrible English!!!) has to address this issue in Prague. Prague is the centre of a booming economy and the nation's capital. It is impossible to dictate that commerce cannot operate effectively in such a city. It is necessary only to visually separate such a district from the historic centre (which is what UNESCO has listed). I don't see a great problem in schemes such as in post 67 above but the height of the skyscrapers needs to be restricted. But Pankrac plateau might not be the best location. Perhaps such development needs to be on low ground - away from the centre and away from the Vltava valley. Perhaps screened altogether from Prague by high ground (e.g. south-west of Barrandov). Then the transport system etc will need to be redesigned so that such a centre can operate effectively separate from the centre of the capital.

The distances are not actually great and commerce does not have to operate from the city centre nowadays. Sydney spreads over 30 km each way and we have major CBDs with skyscrapers in the suburbs 10 or 20 km out from the city centre. Prague ends less than 10 km from the centre!! These are all theories but I think it is possible if more thinking is applied. The Czechs need to get their eyes away from Pankrac and think more widely - but on the other hand they shouldn't just take the UNESCO line and do nothing. This will ultimately discourage investment.

^ Yes, but what to do with Pankrác, there are already 3 skyscrapers, should we leave them as they are?
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1543/p1100517lf0.jpg
You suggest to built commercial district somewhere else, but that's quite impossible, Pankrác has metro station and will get new metro line soon, has great motorway connection, is close to city centre and so on. Pankrác will be main commercial district for sure, the only question is: will we build there more skyscrapers to form harmonic cluster and fill in the decayed teeth or will we build there only low-rise and leave there those 3 solitary skyscrapers as a remembrance of former abandoned plans?

Regarding film locations, it is impossible to see current skyscrapers in Pankrác from Old Town streets. Anyway, what happens if we built 10 skyscrapers instead of three?

kokpit it is a difficult question. When I first visited Prague I was pleased that the existing skyscrapers were so far from the vista from Prague Castle but when I look at the possibilities in your post #67 I'm not so sure. Even 10 low scrapers starts to challenge Vysehrad. Perhaps too much has been invested in Pankrac without thinking it through. I would rather see somewhere not so elevated and a little further away. And would it stop at 10? Capitalism has great momentum - soon you might see another New York on Pankrac! I really think a commercial centre further away is better.

Prague really is quite precious internationally - you can't afford to lose those vistas. It just needs to be moved down into a valley away from the river. A good communist example of what not to do is that sea of panelaks north of Prague!

I think Vyšehrad is quite far from Pankrác, this picture http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5040/file0002azn0.jpg was taken from Petřín, not the Castle so it looks bit different.

And yes, number of skyscrapers would certainly stop at 7, regulative plan is mandatory, city is able to regulate height of houses and so on.

Moving of commercial centre somewhere else is impossible as I've already stated, the only question is: decayed teeth or harmonic cluster?

My opinion is: if three skyscrapers don't bother UNESCO, why ten skyscrapers cluster should do so?

I am starting to see your viewpoint kokpit. It is a pity Pankrac is on such a hill though. There are also a couple of high buildings that seem to be near Nuselky Most that seem to be a bit close. Apart from this I agree a small cluster (but not too high) is going to be better than some broken teeth.

I hope Prague's regulatory abilities are strong as you say. The problem in Australia is that there is no political will to resist development and city councils allow almost uncontrolled development. Whoever has the big money wins and financial contributions are made to political parties. This is the danger that has to be resisted.

Which district is the television tower in? I always see it in the distance but I've never located it on a map.

Thank you for writing here your opinions, I'm still quite surprised someone in Sydney is interested in Prague developement which is on the other side of the Globe.

Imo Sydney and Prague are bit different cases, Sydney is modern city so there's not so need (less need) to regulate developement. On the contrary developement in Prague is very regulated, especially in the centre and surroundings. You can see that discussions about these few skyscrapers run for years and even decades. Though there are few examples of "money power" too, for example there is plan to build another skyscraper district quite near city centre, which is imo much more inconsiderate than Pankrác. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=448372
Pankrác is on the hill, but enough far away from hills in city centre (6 kms) so those 100m heigh buildings don't intrude general view impression.
You can see at this pano photo I took from Letná park that those highrises in Pankrác look quite tiny.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9168/stitched001mbv9.jpg
(detailed views in this thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438543&page=2)

Television tower is in Žižkov district, look here http://www.mapy.cz/?query=%C5%BEi%C5%BEkov&portWidth=452&portHeight=316&zoom=5&mapType=base&centerX=135549861&centerY=134989697#centerX=133143024@centerY=135930000@typ=ophoto@zoom=16@vizType=none@vizIds=none

Prague has international significance, that's why the other side of the globe is interested! "Most beautiful city in the world"? So now some lobby group has got in the ear of UNESCO what will the reaction in Czech Republic be to this "threat"?

After seeing the scheme for Holešovice I am fully in support of Pankrác!

I think in Budapest's case, the height limitation is a must. Some international " I-think-this-will-fit-because-i'm-well-known" architects even trying to build a giant soap in the middle of the city centre, and there are plans for 2 giant giraffes. Do you think thats normal? You sould be glad that normal highrises are planned there(substitute Prague,Bratislava,Warsaw,etc).:D They would even look great on Csepel-island..Mainly because the Gellért hill blocks their sights from the Castle Hill.:)

I was going to post this a few months ago but forgot. In any case I lost the original article but im sure there are more and im sure someone can find one.

Prague decided to allow the construction of highrises in the Pankrac neighborhood, against the wishes of the residents and UNESCO. So in the not to distant future there will be some towers sprouting up in that area. This was announced as far as I know in the sumer by the way.

It wasn't an offence. It was funny because that person didn't wante to let me and my friends now how old she is so she decided to tell us it in Polish and so we didn't understand a word.

Czech and Slovak have many similar or the same words however they have different accent. I don't know if foreigners can notice it but for Slovaks and Czech it's fact. It's also interresting that if some Slovak speaks Czech you are almost not able to hear the difference between him and original Czech speaker. But, when a Czech speaks Slovak you know it after one or two words. Polish language has even more dofferent accent. To me it's more similar to Czech than Slovak.

Sorry for stepping in your conversation, but it is funny that Slovakian is quite understandable to us Slovenes (much more than Czech and Polish).

Some theories even say that Slovaks and Slovenes were same nation, but now we are split because of Hungary:lol:

It is also funny that in Slovenian language we say that we speak Slovensko, we call our country Slovenska Republika, and womans are Slovenka, which is the same for Slovakia as far as i know:lol:

And when i was in Krakow for 3 days i meet Slovakian guy, and he spoke slowly Slovakian and I spoke slowly Slovenian, and we could understand each other fine:cheers:

Sorry for stepping in your conversation, but it is funny that Slovakian is quite understandable to us Slovenes (much more than Czech and Polish).

Some theories even say that Slovaks and Slovenes were same nation, but now we are split because of Hungary:lol:

It is also funny that in Slovenian language we say that we speak Slovensko, we call our country Slovenska Republika, and womans are Slovenka, which is the same for Slovakia as far as i know:lol:

And when i was in Krakow for 3 days i meet Slovakian guy, and he spoke slowly Slovakian and I spoke slowly Slovenian, and we could understand each other fine:cheers:

Yes, one theory says that people in presnet Moravia, Slovakia, Hungary, part of Austria and also Slovenia and north Croatia were all one nation which was a bit dfferent from Western Slavs and also from Southern Slavs. They are called "Slovieni," however it's modern term. Those Sloviens in Morava and Nitra principality created so called Great Moravia which annexed almost whole territory of those Sloviens and also whole Bohemia and large parts of Poland.
However, in that ages there were only marginal difference between Western, Southern and Eastern Slavs. For example glagolica was created using language of Macedonian Slavs but it was perfectly usable in Great Moravia as well.
Those people which are direct ancestors of us called themselves simply Slavs (in English). Other Slavic nations use different names because we were the first Slavic state and they wanted to differentiate themselves from us. But, we are not sure how this name sounded in that ages. Maybe Sloveni (singular Sloven), Slovani (s. Slovan) or something between it - Sloväni (s. Slovän). Slovaks called them in early midlle ages "Slovani" (Slavs in English) then the suffix -an changed on -ák. For example Moravan on Moravák (Moravian), Poľan on Poliak (Pole), Slovan on Slovák (Slovak).

That's not my theory so if somebody have different opinion, please don't bother me.;)

Another theory says: What does it mean word SLAVE

Slovan => Slav => Slave

( it is only speculation, because the ancient Slovans, were very strong and genial barbar figthers.Old roman empire deals about unknow nation named Venedi.)

Back to the topic. Very interesting information coming from russian chronicler Nestor. He specify, the origin old root of Slavs is represented by Slovakia Slovans.
It is Autochtónna teory.It comes to this, that ancient Slavs were created in Eastern Europe, especially in Slovakia and Hungary. This teory dislake Hungary and German historics :D

Source:
http://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poves%C5%A5_d%C3%A1vnych_liet

Another theory says: What does it mean word SLAVE

Slovan => Slav => Slave

( it is only speculation, because the ancient Slovans, were very strong and genial barbar figthers.Old roman empire deals about unknow nation named Venedi.)

Back to the topic. Very interesting information coming from russian chronicler Nestor. He specify, the origin old root of Slavs is represented by Slovakia Slovans.
It is Autochtónna teory.It comes to this, that ancient Slavs were created in Eastern Europe, especially in Slovakia and Hungary. This teory dislake Hungary and German historics :D

Source:
http://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poves%C5%A5_d%C3%A1vnych_liet

Slave in English menaing of that word is not correct. Slavs didn't known English simply because English hadn't existed in that times. In Slovak is slave "otrok," in old Slavic it was "rab." In latin language slave is "servus." No seriuos scientists agree with this "theory."

Yes, "Povesť dávnch liet" or Primary chronicle in English is important and valuable source of information from that ages. For us is very interresting the part of text: "Slavs captured by Uhors." Which are named separately from the other Slavic nations. This text is one of the funadaments of the theory which says Slovaks are the nearest descendants of original Slavs who even still use name Slavs. For example American prophesor John D. Price said Slovak is key to all Slavic languages, it's the oldest and the most original language. Up to 19th century Slovaks call themsleves Slavs. For example famous Rudnay's: "Slavus sum et si in catedra Petri forem, Slavus ero."

In Slovak is slave "otrok,"In Slovenian that's child. :D

In Slovenian that's child. :D

Does it mean in Slovenia is often used children labour?:lol:

^ It was my first thought too. :lol:

Slave in English menaing of that word is not correct. Slavs didn't known English simply because English hadn't existed in that times. In Slovak is slave "otrok," in old Slavic it was "rab." In latin language slave is "servus." No seriuos scientists agree with this "theory."

Yes, "Povesť dávnch liet" or Primary chronicle in English is important and valuable source of information from that ages. For us is very interresting the part of text: "Slavs captured by Uhors." Which are named separately from the other Slavic nations. This text is one of the funadaments of the theory which says Slovaks are the nearest descendants of original Slavs who even still use name Slavs. For example American prophesor John D. Price said Slovak is key to all Slavic languages, it's the oldest and the most original language. Up to 19th century Slovaks call themsleves Slavs. For example famous Rudnay's: "Slavus sum et si in catedra Petri forem, Slavus ero."

[Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages); see Slav.]
Word History: The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, "Slav, slave," first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklävs) "Slav," which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the Slovnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in 1538. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. By the 12th century stabilization had given way to wars of expansion and extermination that did not end until the Poles crushed the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald in 1410.·As far as the Slavs' own self-designation goes, its meaning is, understandably, better than "slave"; it comes from the Indo-European root *kleu-, whose basic meaning is "to hear" and occurs in many derivatives meaning "renown, fame." The Slavs are thus "the famous people." Slavic names ending in -slav incorporate the same word, such as Czech Bohu-slav, "God's fame," Russian Msti-slav, "vengeful fame," and Polish Stani-slaw, "famous for withstanding (enemies)."

[Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages); see Slav.]
Word History: The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, "Slav, slave," first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklävs) "Slav," which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the Slovnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in 1538. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. By the 12th century stabilization had given way to wars of expansion and extermination that did not end until the Poles crushed the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald in 1410.·As far as the Slavs' own self-designation goes, its meaning is, understandably, better than "slave"; it comes from the Indo-European root *kleu-, whose basic meaning is "to hear" and occurs in many derivatives meaning "renown, fame." The Slavs are thus "the famous people." Slavic names ending in -slav incorporate the same word, such as Czech Bohu-slav, "God's fame," Russian Msti-slav, "vengeful fame," and Polish Stani-slaw, "famous for withstanding (enemies)."

If two words sound similar it doesn't mean they mean the same. Even in on language you have plenty of words which sounds the same or similar but they mean absolutely different things. But, OK it's one of the theories.

If your name would truly derive from "slave",than IMO it would derive from hungarian or german. I cant speak for german,but in hungarian, its "rabszolga",which is not even remotely similar to slave,so I suspect some paranoid scientist made it up.

If your name would truly derive from "slave",than IMO it would derive from hungarian or german. I cant speak for german,but in hungarian, its "rabszolga",which is not even remotely similar to slave,so I suspect some paranoid scientist made it up.

Problem is that Hungarians (or Old Hungarians, I'm not sure which term should I use) hadn't enslaved Slovaks or any other nation. Slovaks were equal to Hungarians, many aristocratic families had Slovak origin on the other hand also serviles were everywhere poor. Well, Hungarian kingdom was feudal state so in this meaning all its inhabitants were close to slaves but all Europeans countries in that ages were so that cannot be the origin of that name.

^^Thats the historical explanation,but the topic was the source of the word "slav" or "Slovak",which I tried to contribute to.

^^Thats the historical explanation,but the topic was the source of the word "slav" or "Slovak",which I tried to contribute to.

Yes, but maybe we should rather return to the very original topic Top 12 Skyscrapers in Central Europe.:lol:

^^does a basilica count?:)

^^does a basilica count?:)

Somewhere in Central Europe is basilica which is high enough that it can compete with modern skyscrapers? Or how do you mean it?

The basilica of Esztergom from the crypt to the top is 100m high.

The basilica of Esztergom from the crypt to the top is 100m high.

In competition of churches' height in CE this basilica is certainly the winner. But, in comparation with skyscrapers it's too low. On the other hand, it's nicer than many of those skyscrapers.;)

In competition of churches' height in CE this basilica is certainly the winner. But, in comparation with skyscrapers it's too low. On the other hand, it's nicer than many of those skyscrapers.;)

And what about aerials. Don't they count? Not really kick ass, but in the 30s our Lakihegy Radio transmitter was a real pioneer... (314m high) :nuts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakihegy_Tower

The basilica of Esztergom from the crypt to the top is 100m high.

It doesn't seem to be 100m high.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5076/basilikaostihomzd1.jpg

And what about aerials. Don't they count? Not really kick ass, but in the 30s our Lakihegy Radio transmitter was a real pioneer... (314m high) :nuts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakihegy_Tower

In flat Hungary it's certainly needed but this thread is about skyscrapers. But, we have another CE champion now in cathegory aerials.;)

It doesn't seem to be 100m high.

http://www.hungaromax.com/jpg/esztbaz.jpg
Compare it to the size of the cars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esztergom_Basilica:
"As a building, it is the largest church in Hungary and the third largest in Europe. Its inner area is 56,000 m². It is 118 m long and 49 m wide. It has a reverberation time of more than 9 seconds. Its dome, forming a semi-sphere, is situated in the middle, and it has 12 windows. It is 71.5 m high inside, with a diameter of 33.5 metres, and is 100 m high from outside, counted from the crypt, thus it is the tallest building in Hungary."

And what about aerials. Don't they count? Not really kick ass, but in the 30s our Lakihegy Radio transmitter was a real pioneer... (314m high) :nuts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakihegy_Tower

Then you should see 361 m high chimney in Trbovlje, Slovenia :lol::lol:

http://www.lenarcic.net/admin/galerija/14/1574_ElektTrbovlje0001.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Trboveljski_dimnik.jpg

^^ :omg:

I think we need here the definition of high-rises. I prefer this one (offered by Emporis Standards Committee):
"A high-rise building is a multi-story structure with at least 12 floors or 35 meters (115 feet) in height."[1] All skyscrapers are highrises, but only the tallest highrises are skyscrapers. Habitability separates skyscrapers from towers and masts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper

Using this definition, the basilica and chimney are not high-rise buildings.

^^ :omg:

Still better than the chimney in Bratislava.:ohno:

In competition of churches' height in CE this basilica is certainly the winner. But, in comparation with skyscrapers it's too low. On the other hand, it's nicer than many of those skyscrapers.;)Nope.
The Basilica in Lichen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_of_Our_Lady_of_Liche%C5%84) (Sanctuary of Our Lady of Licheń) is 142m high.
AFAIK it's still higher than Sagrada Familia in Barcelona (but not too long I think).

(Here list of the highest completed churches in Europe (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?31908491), but without Lichen).

Then you should see 361 m high chimney in Trbovlje, Slovenia :lol::lol:
[...]^^ The first European supertall? :lol:


BTW, Slav comes from Latin equivalent of English "slave", as the territories ruled by Polish (ruling regions of what today is Poland) dukes 1000 years ago were known as good source of slaves (the dukes were selling people from conquered territories).

Projects >150m for Poland (to be completed before 2011 or 2012):
in Wroclaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=483211):
Sky Tower (258m) - u/c

in Warsaw (>=160m):
Zlota 44 aka Libeskind Tower (192m) - "almost u/c" :D
Hines Tower, ex "Shalom Tower" (160m) - I hope they will start next year
Jewish Community Tower (207m?) - as above

in Gdansk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=454878):
Big Boy Building, BBB (202m with spire) - completion planned for 2011
Freedom Towers - tower I (182-220m) - as above
Freedom Towers - tower II (165-175m) - as above

Nope.
The Basilica in Lichen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_of_Our_Lady_of_Liche%C5%84) (Sanctuary of Our Lady of Licheń) is 142m high.
AFAIK it's still higher than Sagrada Familia in Barcelona (but not too long I think).

(Here list of the highest completed churches in Europe (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?31908491), but without Lichen).

Thanks for info.

^^ The first European supertall? :lol:

We have really tall chimney as well, but I don't know exact height, however, it's tall. Aluminium producing plant in Žiar nad Hronom:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/%C5%BDiar_nad_Hronom2.JPG/800px-%C5%BDiar_nad_Hronom2.JPG

BTW, Slav comes from Latin equivalent of English "slave", as the territories ruled by Polish (ruling regions of what today is Poland) dukes 1000 years ago were known as good source of slaves (the dukes were selling people from conquered territories).

Another theory. IMO not very reliable (there was no English before 1000 years), but it's theory...;)

Another theory. IMO not very reliable (there was no English before 1000 years), but it's theory...;)

Yes, probably.... wiki liers !!!!! :bash: (ironic)

just read..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

Yes, probably.... wiki liers !!!!! :bash: (ironic)

just read..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information. Don't trust it in everything. But, as I've said, it's theory, it's possible, but there is more possible theories. Nobody knows for sure what is the origin of the words Slav and Slovan. Try this, there is more theories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples, but again, be aware, it's Wikipedia.

Czechs..bla,bla,bla..
You can construct and build any skyscraper,but Bratislava has a town-architect.Praque does not.That"s the problem..........Look at this thread.-http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438515
So,If you live in modern and historical city as well..Man,we are in 21century..

What an egoism...
I feel sick when i saw the lot of skyscrapers in the city center ( in Bratislava,Warsaw).. its terrible. I like. No i adore skyscrapers. But not in a historical city.. or in a farther place from the city center.

Look this pic.. Where would you like build a skyscraper in Budapest? Its destroy the whole panorama...
http://www.tropicalisland.de/hungary/budapest/budapest_castle_hill/images/04%2001%20DSC_0161.jpg

or next to the royal castle?
http://www.tropicalisland.de/hungary/budapest/budapest_gellert_hill/images/03%2001%20DSC_0072.jpg

ooor next to the parliment?
http://www.tropicalisland.de/hungary/budapest/budapest_parliament_area/images/02%2001%20DSC_0048.jpg

This city is cool without any skyscrapers.. we dont need them. Or very far from the center.
http://www.tropicalisland.de/hungary/budapest/budapest_bridges_and_danube_river/images/BUD%20Budapest%20-%20Elizabeth%20Bridge%20%28Erzsebet%20hid%29%2004%203008x2000.jpg

There are modern bulindings. but not tall. for eg. :
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/609/img8412resize.jpg
http://www.owl.hu/owl/3gallery/gownpic2009/2009_41_01q2.jpg

Last but not least: The tourists won't come to watch some skyscrapers/higrises..
Because they find them everywhere. But you couldn't build up a Royal Castle everywhere... this is the reason. Why dont we build skyscrapers. And Budapest has more Tourist than Bratislava..maybe in this case?

see yu next time ...

^^Ur a digger dude..
btw last pic looks like ghelamco's crap.

Vikusz, did you seriously reply to a post made in 2007? :ohno: