Ok I have a questions. Its very confusing for a non-japanese to understand what is Japan, because all names are so much in different language. I know that Kuril and Sakahlin islands are under Russian control but where exactly does Kuril and Sakahlin lie? I mean theres so many islands in northern japan where is the boundry because russians take this land from Japanese in closing days of WWII, so why not russia hand them back because atleast under Japan they will become prosperous!

do you think russia cares?

Maybe not Russia but Japan does!

I mean theres so many islands in northern japan where is the boundry because russians take this land from Japanese in closing days of WWII, so why not russia hand them back because atleast under Japan they will become prosperous!
First of all, there is no guarantee that those territories will prosper under Japanese rule instead of Russian rule.

Second, if the world works solely in the best interest of the people on such a logical level, we would live in a VERY different world today.

I know that Kuril and Sakahlin islands are under Russian control but where exactly does Kuril and Sakahlin lie?

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7205/japanussrrel88123981246vb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Maybe not Russia but Japan does!

Japan does care, but Russia will not return the islands unless she herself cares, anyway.

Located far from the centers of civilization, the unification of Okinawa began very lately like any other small islands on Pacific Ocean. Even if Japan proper had been unified between the 4th and the 5th century, the social unit of Okinawa archipelagos had hardly surpassed that of a small island or of a village and remained isolated from large political movement of Japan and China.

This long sleep of Okinawa ended around the 12th century when local seigniors, called "Aji", began to fight one against another by building "Gusuku", a kind of fortress in blocks of stone. Around the 14th century, it remains only 3 seigniors on Okinawa island (Sanzan jidai or period of 3 Kingdoms) and finally in 1429 Okinawa was unified by Sho dynasty which had controlled the central part of the island before.

This small kingdom of Okinawa had been a very prosperous country: not only the archipelagos was on the route of exchange between Japan or North China with the south eastern Asia but also exported a great quantity of sulfur that Chinese needed to make explosive.

But this Okinawa's prosperity didn't last long because from the 16th century, the westerners began to appear in the region on the great ships, full of products more interesting such as guns and canons.

Become harden with a long civil war and a Korean campaign, Okinawa was an easy prey for Japanese samurais. In fact, Okinawa was invaded in 1609 by the musketeers of seignior Shimazu coming from the south Kyushu and surrendered after only 3 days of combat.

But instead of breaking up Okinawa Kingdom, Shimaza preferred to keep it under its protectorate in order not to offend China, because officially Okinawa had been her vassal state. The period spanning from the 12th century to 1609 is called "Ko Ryukyu" i.e. "Ancient Okinawa".

Though this Shimazu's occupation had taken away a part of its freedom, it brought a better organization on social life and suppressed old-fashioned habits like sorcery and superstitions. The famous reformer of Okinawa, Haneji Choshu, recommended a sober life style while to cultivate the people via education in order to compete with the occupants of Shimazu.

During Tokugawa reign, Japan had been completely closed to foreign visitors, excepting for Dutch, Chinese and Koreans, i.e. "Sakoku" or "National seclusion policy". In order to modify this politics, Americans sent 4 warships to Japan under the commandment of Commodore Perry in 1853, because they were looking for a commercial outlet and a naval base for their whalers.

Before going to Japan, Perry called at Okinawa with a plan to annex, it if Japan should refuse his demand to open her harbors. But Japan gave up before a threat of canons pointed to Tokyo and accepted to open 4 harbors (Kanagawa's Treaty). She signed then a similar treaty with other world powers of that period, Great Britain, France and Russia.

This visible weakness of Tokugawa regime had destabilized whole of Japanese feudal system and after a civil war not only between pro and anti Tokugawa, but also pro and anti opening of Japan, the Tokugawa family gave up all the fiefdoms in 1868 ("Taisei hokan" or "Restoration of imperial regime").

But this movement didn't stop shortly. One after another all the Japanese seigniors gave up their fiefdoms and Okinawa Kingdom was suppressed in 1879, too ("Ryukyu shobun" or "Settlement of Okinawa"). The period which spans from Shimazu's invasion in 1609 until this date when Okinawa was half independent is called "Late Okinawa".

Since the local habits were quite different from those of Japan proper, the central government tried to preserve them (law called "Kyushuonzon" or "conservation of ancient custom), but this policy has put back the modernization of Okinawa, for it favored too much old leaders.

Since 1920, Okinawa had been governed exactly as in other Japanese prefectures but its inhabitants remained poor and many preferred immigrating elsewhere, especially to Mariana islands which Japan had inheritated from defeated Germany in 1917. But the real ordeal of Okinawa arrived only from the end of the World War II.

Being afraid that Okinawa should be soon a battle field, the Japanese general staff began to organize an evacuation of noncombatant civilian population from 1944. But this decision arrived too late, for the surrounded sea had been already infested with American submarines. In fact, on August 21, 1944, Tsushimamaru which was carrying 1700 passengers, among them 800 school children from Okinawa, was sunk by an American submarine, off Kyushu coast and made more than 1500 victims.

Contrary to all expectations (Japanese had imagined a landing to Taiwan), Americans landed on March 26, 1945, on the tiny islands of Kerama, situated near the main island of Okinawa, in order to create a logistic base. Scarcely guarded, the islanders surrendered quickly. A few days later, the first April, Americans landed on Kadena beach of Okinawa island, in order to isolate the southern part where the most of population and the army troop were concentrated.

Having no supply lines, in spite of a fierce fight with the famous suicidal pilots, "Kaimkaze", Japanese defenders retreated gradually to the southern limit of the island and the organized resistance ended on June 23 with the suicide of the chief commander, General Ushijima Mitsuru.

This battle of Okinawa was a real disaster for its inhabitants, for there were not only 90,000 dead among Japanese soldiers but also 150,000 civilian dead (one quarter of the total population), besides innumerable historic buildings and cultural centers reduced to ashes like Shuri Castle.

It all depends on how one defines whether a piece of territory belongs to a nation or not.

ALL nations started out and can be traced back to just a small village or township. Heck, even the Roman Empire started in a Rome...

What is important is that if one applies a specific set of definition to one nation, he should apply the same definition to ALL nations, including his own.

For example, it would be illogical for an American to criticize Japan for "occupying" Okinawa when ALL of U.S. was taken from the Native-Americans and U.S. wasn't even formed until AFTER Japan took over Okinawa...

Joshua's spamming just explains how Okinawan history is different from that of mainland Japan. It doesn't explain how "Okinawa is not japanese territory".

I believe what only matters is how local residents themselves think. Such a definition would work against Japan in the case of Northern Territory dispute, though.

The seas around the Kurils are a rich fishery, so there's an economic benefit to Russia in hanging on to them. Plus, Russia won't give anything away without a struggle -- you don't get to be the biggest country in the world by giving away territory, no matter how small. They may need Japan to bend over for them at some stage in future and those islands are a good bargaining chip.

disclaimer: i have no official opinion on who should own the islands.

the mod leave for a few days and the spamers come out of the wood work

Okinawa was a tributary of China
In the three Ryūkyū historical annals, Chūzan Seikan (中山世鑑, Mirror of Chūzan), Chūzan Seifu (中山世譜, Genealogy of Chūzan), and Kyūyō (球陽, Chronicle of Ryūkyū), the history of Ryūkyū Kingdom began with the Tenson Dynasty (天孫王朝, Dynasty of Heavenly Descent), which lasted 17,000 years. Many historians today believe that this is a mythological legend created in the 16th or 17th century to lend more legitimacy to the ruling dynasty, the Shō family, over other local aristocratic families.

The Tenson Dynasty ended with three kings of the Shunten Line (舜天王朝), lasting from 1187 to 1259. According to Chūzan Seikan, written by Shō Shōken, the founder of the dynasty was a son of Minamoto no Tametomo, a Japanese aristocrat and relative of the Imperial family. Minamoto no Tametomo was exiled to the Izu Islands after he failed to gain power in the Kyoto court; he then fled and drifted to Ryūkyū, where his son Shunten established their own dynasty. Some Japanese and Chinese scholars claim that the Shunten dynasty was again invented by the Shō family historians, for the same reason that they created the Tenson legend.

In the 14th century, small domains scattered on Okinawa Island were unified into three principalities, Hokuzan (北山, Northern Mountain), Chūzan (中山, Central Mountain) and Nanzan (南山, Southern Mountain). This was known as the Three Kingdoms or Sanzan (三山, Three Mountains) period. These three principalities, or tribal federations led by major chieftains, battled, and Chūzan emerged victorious, receiving Chinese investiture in the early 15th century. That is to say, the leaders of Chūzan were officially recognized by China as the rightful kings over those of Nanzan and Hokuzan, thus lending great legitimacy to their claims, if not victory outright. The ruler of Chūzan passed his throne to king Hashi (he received the surname "Shō" from the Ming emperor in 1430, becoming known as Shō Hashi, 尚巴志). Hashi had already conquered Hokuzan in 1416 and Nanzan in 1429, uniting the island of Okinawa for the first time, and founding the first Shō Dynasty.

Shō Hashi adopted the Chinese hierarchical court system, built Shuri Castle and the town as his capital, and constructed Naha harbor. Several generations later, in 1469, King Shō Toku died without a male heir; a palatine servant declared he was Toku's adopted son and gained Chinese investiture. This pretender, Shō En, began the Second Shō Dynasty. Ryūkyū's golden age occurred during the reign of Shō Shin, the second king of that dynasty, who reigned from 1478-1526.

Diplomatically, the kingdom established tributary relations with China during its Ming and Qing Dynasties. It also developed trade relations with Japan, Korea and many Southeast Asian countries, including Siam, Pattani, Malacca, Champa, Huế, and Java.

Between the 15th and 16th centuries, the Ryūkyū Kingdom emerged as the main trading intermediary in Eastern Asia. Japanese products (silver, swords, fans, lacquer-ware, folding screens) and Chinese products (medicinal herbs, minted coins, glazed ceramics, brocades, textiles) were traded within the kingdom for Southeast Asian sappanwood, rhino horn, tin, sugar, iron, ambergris, Indian ivory and Arabian frankincense. Altogether, 150 voyages between the kingdom and Southeast Asia on Ryūkyūan ships were recorded, with 61 of them bound for Siam, 10 for Malacca, 10 for Pattani and 8 for Java, among others.

Commercial activities in the kingdom diminished around 1570 with the rise of Chinese merchants and the intervention of Portuguese and Spanish ships, corresponding with the start of the Red Seal Ship system in Japan.

Around 1590, Toyotomi Hideyoshi asked the Ryūkyū Kingdom to aid in his campaign to conquer Korea. If successful, Hideyoshi intended to then move against China. As the Ryūkyū kingdom was a tributary state of the Ming Dynasty, the request was refused. The Tokugawa shogunate that emerged following Hideyoshi's fall authorized the Shimazu family, feudal lords of the Satsuma domain (present-day Kagoshima prefecture), to send an expeditionary force to conquer the Ryūkyūs. The occupation of the Ryūkyūs occurred fairly quickly, with a minimum of armed resistance, and King Shō Nei was taken as a prisoner to the Satsuma domain and later to Edo (modern day Tokyo). When he was released two years later, the Ryūkyū Kingdom regained a degree of autonomy, however, the Satsuma domain did seize control over some territory of the Ryūkyū Kingdom, notably the Amami-Ōshima island group, which was incorporated into the Satsuma domain.

The Ryūkyū Kingdom found itself in a period of "dual subordination" to Japan and China, wherein Ryūkyūan tributary relations were maintained with both the Tokugawa shogunate and the Ming Chinese court. Since Ming China prohibited trade with Japan, Satsuma domain, with the blessing of the Tokugawa bakufu (shogunal government), used the trade relations of the kingdom to continue to maintain trade relations with China. Considering that Japan had previously severed ties with most of the European countries except the Dutch, such trade relations proved especially crucial to both the Tokugawa bakufu and Satsuma han which would use its power and influence, gained in this way, to help overthrow the shogunate in the 1860s.

The Ryūkyūan king was a vassal of the Satsuma daimyo, but his land was not counted as part of any han (fief); up until the formal annexation of the islands and abolition of the kingdom in 1879, the Ryūkyūs were not truly considered part of Japan, and the Ryūkyūan people not considered Japanese. Though technically under the control of Satsuma, Ryūkyū was given a great degree of autonomy, to best serve the interests of the Satsuma daimyo and those of the shogunate, in trading with China. Ryūkyū was a tributary state of China, and since Japan had no formal diplomatic relations with China, it was essential that Beijing not realize that Ryūkyū was controlled by Japan. If they did, they would end the trade. Thus, ironically, Satsuma (and the shogunate) was obliged to be mostly hands-off in terms of not visibly or forcibly occupying Ryūkyū or controlling the policies and laws there. On top of that, in a strange way, it benefited all three parties involved — the Ryūkyū royal government, the Satsuma daimyo, and the shogunate — to make Ryūkyū seem as much a distinctive and foreign country as possible. Japanese were prohibited from visiting Ryūkyū without shogunal permission, and the Ryūkyūans were forbidden from adopting Japanese names, clothes, or customs. They were even forbidden from acknowledging their knowledge of the Japanese language during their trips to Edo; the Shimazu family, daimyo of Satsuma, gained great prestige by putting on a show of parading the King, officials, and other people of Ryūkyū to and through Edo. As the only han to have a king and an entire kingdom as vassals, Satsuma gained significantly from Ryūkyū's exoticness, reinforcing that it was an entire separate kingdom.

When Commodore Matthew Calbraith Perry sailed to Japan to force Japan to open up trade relations with the United States in the 1850s, he first stopped in the Ryūkyūs, as many Western sailors had before him, and forced the Ryūkyū Kingdom to sign Unequal Treaties opening the Ryūkyūs up to American trade. From there, he continued on to Edo.

Following the Meiji Restoration, the Meiji Japanese government abolished the Ryūkyū Kingdom, formally annexing the islands to Japan as Okinawa Prefecture in 1879. The Amami-Ōshima island group which had been integrated into Satsuma domain became a part of Kagoshima prefecture. King Shō Tai, the last king of the Ryūkyūs, was moved to Tokyo and was made a Marquis (see Kazoku), as were many other Japanese aristocrats, and died there in 1901. Qing China made some diplomatic protests to the Japanese government, but these proved to have little effect.
Now,the people of Okinawa 's local language can easily be understood by the people from Taiwan,Fujian,Zhejiang China

Now,the people of Okinawa 's local language can easily be understood by the people from Taiwan,Fujian,Zhejiang China

another stupid chinese.
Old Okinawan Language (O.O.) is the root word of Modern Japanese.
It has nothing to do with Chinese local languages.
It can be understood by the Chinese? Really laughable! Try it!

That's all.

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Okinawa was a tributary of China

由韓國江陵端午祭被登錄為世界無形文化遺産，突顯中國的無能？
2006年5月30日

自稱是端午節（陰暦5月5日）的宗主國的中國，被登錄為世界無形文化遺産的韓國江陵端午祭(2005年登錄)大大的賞了一個耳光可以說是顏面盡失。顯示了中國必須藉由這件事注意到自己的傳統和無形文化遺産的重要性。 (世界無形文化遺産:世界人類口傳以及無形文化遺産傑作)



最近一期的中國經濟週刊雜誌「21世紀經濟報導」藉由韓國江陵端午祭被登錄為世界無形文化遺産，強調中國必須強化文化遺産的保護。

內容指出「韓國的江陵端午祭被登錄為世界無形文化遺産並不表示這樣的一件事剝奪了中國的端午節，但是對中國而言在情緒上有著無法忍受的痛苦」「韓國在 1962年制定了文化財保護法喚醒民族文化意識，江陵端午祭也在1967年被指定為國家文化遺産」。

另外文中也介紹了，日本不理會kimuchi(韓國泡菜)宗主國的韓國，大量的向世界市場輸出韓國泡菜這件事引起了韓國人強烈的反應，誓死要將韓國泡菜指定為文化遺産來進行保護。 　

資料出處:朝鮮日報

http://blog.yam.com/kensyu/article/6149353

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說起中國最近的「漢服熱」，還真是有趣，啥都能跟漢服扯上邊。看看亞洲的各鄰國，穿起民族傳統服飾，至少還講究章法，不管韓國、日本都一樣。中國的漢服狂熱者連cosplay的水準都談不上，只見球鞋、涼鞋、塑膠盆、塑膠袋都上場，再怎麼看都是半調子而已。至於端午節應景祭屈原，更是爆笑到不行，屈原那時候還沒「漢人」吧？還「漢服」咧～至少也該穿件楚服吧！別忘了，屈原過世之後，還發生過「楚漢相爭」，穿後世仇家的衣服去祭拜屈原，這算是隔世代嗆堵嗎？呵呵呵～怎麼看就怎麼奇怪！還有中共官方竟然容許「祭屈活動」，更是滑天下之大稽！他們只標榜屈原是愛國詩人，卻刻意忽略屈原是「楚獨」，標榜的是「分裂」，因為他抗拒當時秦國的「統一」而不得志！怎麼中共的官員都不讀歷史的嗎？
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atleast under Japan they will become prosperous!

strongly agree!!!

At least Chinese have traditional dress, your ancestors were running naked until KMT went to Taiwan and spread civilisation ^_^

okinawan language and Yamato language

there is a fact that it is derived from the Japanese language. The Okinawan language has roots in ancient Japanese, which has been recorded in Kojiki (the oldest historical work existing in Japan) and Manyoushu (the oldest anthology of poems). Therefore some say it is one of the dialects, Ryukyu dialect, though it sounds very different from the other dialects.

http://www.okinawan-shorinryu.com/okinawa/uchina.html

this is called okinawan manyousyu as ancient okinawan language

http://sea.ap.teacup.com/nikkeif/img/1153704660.jpg

Tabiya hamadouri kusanufa makura
niteinwasuraran wayanuusuba
chijiyuyahamawoite cyuruna cyuruna.....

..................ancient Ryukyu...........Yamato
1 - One ..........tii chi ..............ich or hitotsu
2 - Two.........taa chi ..............Futatu
3 - Three ........mii chi .............mitts
4 - Four .........yuu chi ...........yottu
5 - Five .........ichi chi ............itutu
6 - Six ...........muu chi ............muttsu
7 - Seven ...........nana chi .......nanattu
8 - Eight......... ..yaa chi ..........yattu
9 - Nine ............kuku nuchi ....... kokonotu
10 - Ten............. ......tuu.......... tou
100 - One Hundred ............hyaa ku ......hyaku

Okinawa was a tributary of China

And your point is...?

Now,the people of Okinawa 's local language can easily be understood by the people from Taiwan,Fujian,Zhejiang China


Then they surely can understand, for instance, what this news (http://www.podcastnavi.com/dl.php/3524/227005/14_2007_06_18_455.mp3) is about (Okinawan segment is from 0:45).

And your point is...
he is eager to allege that Okinawa, Korea, Vietnam, Mongolia, Tibet... the whole Asia should belong to china.:lol: :lol: :lol: psychosis



Then they surely can understand, for instance, what this news (http://www.podcastnavi.com/dl.php/3524/227005/14_2007_06_18_455.mp3) is about (Okinawan segment is from 0:45).

haha, well said! completely different syntax !:nuts:

flame aside, can Japanese understand Okinawan though? I don't think so.

just my impression:
It's absolutely impossible for the Japanese to undestand Korean Language, but it's quite possible (not so easy) for the people in Tokyo to understand Okinawan because Okinawa Language (whether it is old or modern) is a mere dialect.

Is the entire japanese forum just a japanese bashing forum now? Jesus christ where are the moderators? To much chinese propoganda here saying we 'ran around naked' before they came wtf??? Yes okinawa is a japanese territory, look up what territory means. And yes okinawan belongs to the japonic language family. Okinawan is just as similar to japanese as french is to spanish or italian etc. Same family it is ryukyuan, which are japonic languages.

Okinawan To read is
Yumun in japanese it is yomu
takasan-takai(tall)
atsusan-atsui(hot)
ariagatasama ryota-arigatou
etc etc, same language family.

I meant local Taiwanese. They were hunters/gathers prior to KMT's arrival and had no sophisticated culture.

just my impression:
It's absolutely impossible for the Japanese to undestand Korean Language, but it's quite possible (not so easy) for the people in Tokyo to understand Okinawan because Okinawa Language (whether it is old or modern) is a mere dialect.

As far as I know, Okinawan language is a Ryukyuan language which is not merely a dialect of the Japanese language, though the two belong to the same language family, the Japonic languages.

As far as I know, Okinawan language is a Ryukyuan language which is not merely a dialect of the Japanese language, though the two belong to the same language family, the Japonic languages

at first, it shoud distinguish today's japanese language and ancient Yamato(classic Japanese) language like Manyousyu Era.
to understand classic Japanese is also needed to study.

Ryukyu language was isolated and kept after that because of isolated islands .
Yamato language changed much .

However, i think the both origine was so similar

Ryukyu language and Yaeyama island ( ishigaki, etc) are also different.
the distance between okinawa and yaeyama is as same as between okinawa and kyusyu.

However, the relation of language is as same as okinawa's one

at first, it shoud distinguish today's japanese language and ancient Yamato(classic Japanese) language like Manyousyu Era.
to understand classic Japanese is also needed to study.

Ryukyu language was isolated and kept after that because of isolated islands .
Yamato language changed much .

However, i think the both origine was so similar

Of course Okinawan and Japanese share the same origin, both being classified as Japonic languages. However, are Okinawan and Japanese mutually intelligeable? If so, then Okinawan can be considered a dialect of Japanese, but if not, they should be considered as two different languages, though sharing the same origins.

I meant local Taiwanese. They were hunters/gathers prior to KMT's arrival and had no sophisticated culture.

i always wonder why chinese people like to concern about other countries' welfare instead of their own...
isn't that your own signature saying slavery in your own country...?
(ah... ninja editing huh...)
why not do something about it...? instead of harassing others...:ohno:

i always wonder why chinese people like to concern about other countries' welfare instead of their own...
isn't that your own signature saying slavery in your own country...?
(ah... ninja editing huh...)
why not do something about it...? instead of harassing others...:ohno:

then why are you talking about Chinese dress in Japanese forum?
because your jealous your ancestors had nothing to wear until 60 years ago?
You are not even Chinese, why are you worrying about us?
Only the Hakka and Mainlanders on Taiwan are the real Chinese, the rest are descended from uncivilised tribes who were not Chinese even when they were in Fujian.

yup...
i really don't know why these chinese people have all the time in the world,
posting good pictures of their cities in the forum,
bashing other countries in the forum,
claiming other countries, cutures belongs to china,
at the same time, don't care about what's happening in china(slavery, pollution, sand storm, human right, life organs harvest, etc)...

by the way, those pictures i posted are very much fact...
those han clothing shouldn't be used for memorial purpose for people before han time... that's just rediculous...
i am not bashing anyone, it's just the reminder for chinese people, shave your own beard before shaving others'...

look who's talking .....-.-
i always wonder why chinese people like to concern about other countries' welfare instead of their own...
Didn't you say this a while ago? Why dont you practice what you preach, why are you talking about China in a Japanese forum?
stop being a hypocrite

look who's talking .....-.-

Didn't you say this a while ago? Why dont you practice what you preach, why are you talking about China in a Japanese forum?
stop being a hypocrite

hahaha...
do you see me bashing anyone...?
if you can't handle the truth, then too bad...
i am just asking why chinese people behave like this,
i am not saying chinese people can't go to certain forums...
you are so sensitive, just sound like the famous sentance from the chinese government, "you are hurting chinese people's feeling":lol: i never know why chinese people's feeling can easily get hurted like this...
well... if you don't see anything wrong with the behavior that i mentioned, keep on doing it, that's fine... then just get into more fight with people, and of course, if you enjoy fighting with people, that's fine too...
oh well...

I meant local Taiwanese. They were hunters/gathers prior to KMT's arrival and had no sophisticated culture.

this i got to say...

before KMT flee to taiwan,
taiwan was doing very well in terms of economy and modernization.
The main rail system was finished by japanese,
the sewage system, the electricity were all well established by the japanese.
in fact, when KMT came, some of the soldiers beat up the hardware store owners because they just bought focets and thought that water could come out from the wall...:ohno:
the first expo in asia was in taiwan during japanese government,
and taiwan was a big economic power before the end of wwii...
all in all, you lied...

are Okinawan and Japanese mutually intelligeable?

http://www.okinawan-shorinryu.com/okinawa/uchina.html

this is called okinawan manyousyu as ancient okinawan language

.......................Ryukyu(shuri)language..............................Yamato
http://sea.ap.teacup.com/nikkeif/img/1153704660.jpg

Tabiya hamadouri kusanufa makura...........tabiya hamadouri kusanoha makura
niteinwasuraran wayanuusuba..........netetewasuraran wa***osoba
chijiyuyahamawoite cyuruna cyuruna.....

..................ancient Ryukyu...........Yamato
1 - One ..........tii chi ..............ich or hitotsu
2 - Two.........taa chi ..............Futatu
3 - Three ........mii chi .............mitts
4 - Four .........yuu chi ...........yottu
5 - Five .........ichi chi ............itutu
6 - Six ...........muu chi ............muttsu
7 - Seven ...........nana chi .......nanattu
8 - Eight......... ..yaa chi ..........yattu
9 - Nine ............kuku nuchi ....... kokonotu
10 - Ten............. ......tuu.......... tou
100 - One Hundred ............hyaa ku ......hyaku

it is intelligible

The phonological characteristics of the Shuri dialect as compared to standard Japanese are mainly the vowel changes of e to i and o to u. For example, the word for rain is pronounced ame in Japanese while it is pronounced ami in Shuri. In the same manner, the word for cloud is pronounced kumo in Japanese while it is pronounced kumu in Shuri. Some differences between Japanese and Shuri dialect also exist in consonants. Some of the common differences are as follows:

Differences Between Japanese
and
Uchina Guchi Japan Shuri Japan Shuri
k ...chu yuki (snow) yuchi
chi ...tsi michi (road) mitsi
mi n ...minato (port) nnatu
ri i ...odori (dance) udui
wa a ...kawa (river) kaa

At least Chinese have traditional dress, your ancestors were running naked until KMT went to Taiwan and spread civilisation ^_^

Sen, I know you're an exceptionally educated chinese.
So, could you kindly teach me about the 'civilization' which KMT brought to Taiwan?
Taiwanese had been one of the most civilized people in Asia far before KMT invaded the island.

We Japanese should talk calmly with chinese ultranationalist.
I think They are victims of Chinese Communist Party.

Chinese Communist Party is fueling the national characteristics principle.
They insist, Japanese invader is responsible for every problems in China.

Why?

The purpose is to conceal their misgovernment,
Environmental problems and human rights persecution.


Brainwashed victims...
They insist, Mongolia is a part of China. :lol:
However,
They do not apologize for Mongolian Invasion　to Japan in 1268.

They are unfair and Foolishness ppl.


You japanese should be wise.
Do not hear their stories seriously.

another japanese territory issue...

６０年間、 隠蔽された「台灣國際地位」 の真相

台灣雲林県出身で、 日本の 名城大學法學部に留學した林志昇博士は 、3 年前、　　前 總統李登輝の斡旋で、 米國人の國際戦爭法専門家、 リチャード、ハーゼル氏（台灣名、何瑞元）と共に、 謎に包まれた「台灣國際地位未定論」を究明するため、平時の國際法ではなく、 誰も研究してこなかった國際戦爭法と占領法、及び米國憲法と台灣関係法を徹底的に探究した結果、台灣は、戦後から今に至るまで 、「米國軍事政府（USMG ）管轄下の未合併領土(Unincorporated Territory) であり、グアム島と同樣に、米國の列島區（ Insular Area ）第一類の自治區に屬し、暫定狀態（Interim Status ）に置かれている」事実が判明された 。　両氏はこの「法理論述」に対する反論を期待しているが 、その真偽を疑い 、挑戦する人はいない 。
　
林、何両氏の法理論に依ると、複雑な台灣問題は、 決して中國內戦の遺留問題でもなく、 中華人民共和國の內政問題でもない。　 日米太平洋戦爭の遺留問題である。 　又、 １９５２年のサンフランシスコ平和 條約締結後から、 國際地位未定となった台灣は、 どの國の所有地でもないから、台灣獨立問題も無ければ、 中國との統一問題もあり得ない。 台灣にあるのは「建國問題」のみだ。
　
台灣歴史を遡ってみれば、 １８９５年、下関條約で清國から、 台灣は割譲され、 日本の領土となり、日本は台灣の主権を取得した。
　
１９４５年日本は太平洋戦爭で米國に敗れ、１９５２年のサンフランシスコ平和條約で日本は台灣の主権を放棄するが、その帰屬には触れていない。 その主権は、 宙に浮いた狀態で不確定割譲（Limbo cession ）と呼ぶ。 　
　
1945 年9 月、 中華民國蔣介石軍隊は、 マッカサーの第一命令で、 連合國を代表した台灣の占領軍であるが、 事実上、 米軍の委託代理である。
　
現在台灣に存在する虛構の中華民國は、 當時の主権獨立國家から１９４９年、 中國內戦に敗れて亡命國となり、 １９７１年、國連に追放されて滅亡國となった。
　
台灣を含んだ日本の敗戦は、 米國単獨の戦闘行為に依るもので、 実質的に日本を征服したのは、 米軍だけであって、重慶まで日軍に攻め込まれた戦闘能力のない中華民國は、 米國のおかげで戦勝國の仲間入りをしたのである。 従って米國は、 主要戦勝國であり且つ 、主要占領権國（ Principle Occupying Power ）でもある。
　
平和條約、 第４條ｂ項と第 ２３條に、 "米國は日本及びその植民地の主要占領國であり、その処分と支配 権を有する"と明記されている。

蔣介石軍の不法占領
　
占領國が、 占領地域の主権を取得することを禁じているのが、 １９０７年ハーグ國際公約「國際占領法」の鉄則である。 　それにもかかわらず、蔣介石が派遣した陳儀將軍は、 法を無視し、 "太平洋戦爭區域"に屬する台灣を"中國戦爭區域"に變え、 「占領記念日」であるべき10 月25 日を「台灣光復節」即ち「祖國帰還記念日」と定めた。 　又、當時日本國籍であった台灣人の同意も得ず、強制的に中華民國の國籍に帰化させた。 日本法務省が正式に台灣人民の國籍を解除したのは１９５２年4 月２８日、 平和條約が発効してからである。 　
　
更に１９４７年、228 台灣大虐殺事件を引き起こし、 數万人のエリートを殺害した。 　その後も世界最高記録３８年の戒厳令を敷き、 台灣人を非人道的な恐怖政治の支配下に置いた。 　これは、 明らかに國際法違反と國際戦爭犯罪行為である のに殘念ながら、 米國を初め、 當時の國際社會は台灣に冷たく、 何の関心も示さなかった。 尚、 戦後以來、 米國は台灣の國際地位を曖昧未定のままに現狀維持を強い、 中華民國は法的効力の無い「カイロ宣言」を用いて台灣を中華民國の領土だと勝手に主張する。　 両國とも、 國際戦時占領法を無視して「台灣の占領結束」を未だに宣言しようとしない。
　
今の民進党与党でさえ、外來政権の滅亡國、中華民國の國號を掲げ、台灣を含まぬ中華憲法に追従し、台灣人民を統治し続けているのは、 実に嘆かわしい。
　
中華民國は台灣人を弾圧、 虐殺した、 赦せない敵國である。 　且つ、 台灣を併呑しようとする中華人民共和國と同一國である。 　それを知っている筈の台灣陳總統は、 何故、「獨立建國」を主張しながら、 敵國、中華民國との縁を斷ち切る事が出來ず、 「台灣＝中華民國」と叫び、 中華民國の國歌を大聲で歌えと強いるのか。　 その矛盾した心境が、台灣人民には全く理解できない。PRC と同じChina の名が付くROC の中華民國体制を外さない限り、 中國に「 併呑台灣」 の口実を作らせ、 台灣にとって百害あって一利無しである。 　陳總統は、 台灣人のリーダーとしての責任と義務を果たしていない。
　
米國政府の曖昧過ぎるほど曖昧な対台灣政策と、 台灣政府の矛盾過ぎるほど矛盾な対內政策が、 台灣人民の頭を混亂させ、 身元未定、國籍不明となって、 何を信じてよいやら困惑している。 それに乗じて親中派と反逆者、施明徳の率いる赤軍が台灣全島で社會を攪亂し、 民心を亂して、 台灣を中國に売り渡そうとしている。
　
神の恵みか、 幸い林志昇博士が、 存亡の危機に面する台灣を救う路を見つけた。
　
台灣人が、 好むと好まざるに関わらず、 台灣の主権は今でも「米國軍事政府」に握られており、 台灣が「米國の海外未合併領地」であることは、 誰も否定できない法的事実である。　 台灣は現在、中華民國の領土でもなく、 主権獨立國家で もないことを台灣人は、 はっきり認識し、 台灣と中華民國を、 完全に切り離して「台灣國際 地位」の問題を考えるべきだ。
　
米國が「台灣占領結束」を宣言し、台灣に平民政府（Civil Government ） を成立させれば、主権は自然と台灣人の手に返還される。その後に始めて制憲、正名、建國 が実施できるのである。
　
この論述の根拠の一つに、１８５３年、米國最高裁判所でメキシコから割譲された、 カリフオー ニア內の軍事政府に対する"Gross v. Harrison" 案の判例法がある。 "軍事政府は、 占領區域の管理上の需要目的で設立されたものであり、平和條約締結が発効した後も、占領區域に 一般平民政府が成立するまで、 其の存在は消失しない"との判決が下されている。
　
この判例に基づいて、台灣も平民政府が成立するまで、 米軍事政府の管轄下にあるということだ。 米國が台灣占領を放棄せず「米國の未合併領土」として、保有するからには、 米國は米國憲法に従い、 台灣の國防と人権を保護する義務と責任があるのは當然である。
　
林、何両氏の論述は、 既に検証されており、 ハーバード大學２００４年の アジア秋季刊に掲載されている。 　又、 ２００５年９月２０日、米國ワシントンポスト紙にも"What Are You Doing "　の題で記事を載せ、 両氏が発見した法的根拠で以って米國政府に台灣主権の帰屬問題を質問し、 その責任を追及している。
　
米國首都の有力紙に「法理論」を載せるのは容易ではない。 ８回以上のEmail のやり取りと問い合わせで、 両氏が取り上げた法案や條例をワシントン、ポスト紙の法務部が検証した上で、 掲載を許\可したのである。
　
Website: http://www.taiwanadvice.com/what2do.htm

:nuts: :nuts: Taiwan?
:lol: :lol: :lol: 想吃原子彈??
我覺得臺灣人蟎可憐的
:lol: :lol: :nuts: :nuts:
今天是我來台整整四個月零七天.
昨天剛剛把MSN上的名字改成:
"這個社會病得不輕,樹也跟著遭殃:自己喪盡天良,無惡不作,卻怪是樹壞了風水,要伐樹改運.一棵樹也是生命,長了這麼多年容易嗎?簡直就是殘害生命!!!深深感受到:在大陸生活的人們真的是太幸福了...定下終極目標:努力掙錢,回鄉養老!"

是不是很長?

記得一個月前曾跟老公講過這樣一句話:老公,我以後再也不罵這些無知的人了,因為我突然真的覺得好同情他們.
老公以為我只是同情一些無知的被阿扁欺騙的台灣人,
其實我同情的是,我真的覺得,台灣人就好像是一個無父無母的孤兒,所以他們要用仇視和憎恨的心去面對這個世界.
為什麼這麼說呢?

我們大陸人,在大陸境外,可以講,中國就是我們的母親,因為這個母親日益強大起來,我們中華兒女在世界上的地位日益增高.因為近年來的改革開放,帶動的經濟增長,使得我們華人在世界上開始揚眉吐氣.因為我們的根是中國根,所以不管我們走到哪里,終有中國這個讓我們可以栖息的家.

而台灣人,我講的真正的台灣人,真正根生台灣的人,應該是台灣山地人,這些人們樸實單純.
而所謂的號稱自己是台灣人的孤兒們,就是阿扁這樣的所謂的台灣人,他們的祖輩多是清朝之前移民過來或是被流放的犯人之後,他們霸佔了真正台灣本土人的地方,就如同一個流浪兒,在天橋下畫下一個圈,自己告訴自己:這個圈里就是我的地盤,然後用仇視和憤恨的眼光死死地盯著每一個路人,叫囂著:這是我的領土,擅入者格殺勿論!
一方面他自卑著自己類似孤兒的身世,一方面他仇視和嫉恨著自己那個生活在父母保護下的血親--中國大陸,另一方面,他要用暴力的手段來掠奪山地人的土地,用暴力來控制善良純樸的台灣山地人.

老公聽了我的比喻,感嘆地說:所以才說這些人無恥不要臉啊!你沒看新聞嗎?台灣漁民出海時都挂五星紅旗,日本的海軍才不敢打他們,挂台灣的旗,就被日本人欺負啊.

在大陸時,真的不會覺得改革開放和發展經濟跟自己的生活有什麼太大區別,似乎生活水平的提高,物資的日益豐富,都是理所當然的事情,直到到了台灣,突然有一天,在家中大發感歎:鄧小平真的是太偉大了.

剛到台灣時,覺得台灣的新聞真好看,什麼人都敢罵,什麼話都敢講,而且都是追蹤報道,比連續劇還好看,可是看了兩個月下來,現在看到新聞就煩燥,所謂的立法院和國會開會,真的比我們大陸的菜市場還熱鬧.實在讓人不敢苟同台灣這些所謂政治人物的素質.中國政治人物所講求的修養廉恥形象等在這里真的是看不到的.有一天,看到立法院打架,我像看小品一樣哈哈大笑,公婆氣到大罵,公公突然冒出一句說到我心底的話:幸好大陸是集權制,要跟台灣這樣搞所謂的民主,早就垮掉啦.
未來台灣之前，我也差不多是憤青，覺得好像這社會都欠了自己的，
真正在這所謂的「民主」之地呆上幾個月，
心中無限感慨就是在中國大陸生活被集 中 制統治著真的是件幸福的事情。

現在的台灣是什麼樣子你知道嗎？！
台灣人會說：以前大陸窮，整天搞政治運動，而我們台灣人拼經濟，現在真的是倒過來了，大陸天天拼經濟，經濟飛速發展，而台灣卻進入大陸當初的文 革狀態，為什麼台灣人就不看看大陸的前車之鑒呢？

說實話，我從來對鄧小平沒什麼好感，但是短短的幾個月，看看台灣社會，真的開始對鄧小平佩服和感恩。為什麼？
我公婆1989年到大陸內地探親，他們那時印象中的大陸還是很窮，因為那時大陸的經濟剛起步，而現在？短短的十多年，大陸的經濟飛速發展，當姑姐們稱贊我的衣服好漂亮時，還會不相信的多加上一句：這真的是大陸買的嗎？我通常很輕描淡寫的一句：大陸這种衣服多了去了，這算是最普通的。

我是七十年代生的人，我還很清楚地記得，當我十歲以類，吃條黃瓜或西紅柿當水果都會覺得很開心了，1989年，因為生病才能吃得上蘋果香蕉之類的水果，而1996年，七年之後，非美國提子不吃，還來一句非常忘本的話：蘋果沒有什麼好吃的。1989年想吃一塊奶油蛋糕似乎只有生日才可以實現，而1996年開始，竟然忘本地吃蛋糕還得看心情，心情不好還不吃。
而這幾年的生活改善更是快速。

不否認，現在整個中國大陸的社會還有很多的貧困事件出現，但是大家捫心想想，當某個孤兒或是家庭貧困非常嚴重時，是不是大家都會在社會上興起捐助風潮？！為什麼？這就是一個社會的向心力和社會風氣的體現，而在台灣，多麼可笑的一個新聞：一個癌症母親 和五個子女，因為太窮，一碗牛肉面五個孩子吃。可是呢？作為總統的陳水扁只是帶著媒體去看一看，有沒有人興起捐助的念頭 ？陳水扁A掉 多少錢？他的「金孫」吃的是什麼？在大陸，作為一個普通人，經濟條件稍稍寬裕的普通人，看到這种令人心酸落淚的狀況，是不是都會自發的捐個哪怕十塊錢？哪怕給五個孩子每人買一碗牛肉面？但是在台灣，沒有，連總統只是帶著媒體去作作秀，這五個孩子的生活該 怎樣過就怎樣過。有時看著這种新聞，真的沒法不感慨：人性的沒滅。

再也不可否認，中共也會有一些貪 腐現象，可是至少從政的人，他知道在貪腐的同時，為老百姓做一些實事，如果每個從政的人都是跟台灣現在的政府局面一樣，整天除了A錢就是A錢，而什麼正事都不做的話，恐怕中國的經濟不會達到現在這种狀態。

大家印象中的大陸女孩子嫁到台灣，生活都是很受氣很苦的，不可否認，當我們大陸窮的時候，真的是這樣，因為大家希望在台灣生活會好一些。
但是現在，很多因為在工作中相識的兩地男女最終因為工作、父母等原因來到台灣生活中，縱然台灣不承認大陸妻子的學歷，但是我們的努力和自主的個性已經使得我們在台灣逐步開始擺脫受氣的免費傭人的角色，而贏得大家的尊重。來台四個月里，常有人問我：你是香港人嗎？我總是很輕視地看一眼對方，很大聲地告訴對方：我是大陸人！大陸像我這种女孩子太多了。我在大陸實在太普通了。
為什麼要這樣講：因為媒體的宣傳，沒到過大陸的台灣人始終覺得我們大陸人很無知、很鄉下。可是現在，我們讓他們都覺得原來大陸已經不同往昔！

前幾天跟幾個台灣年輕人聊天，他們講到想到大陸來工作。後來他們說到，現在台干的生活不好過，大陸人太強勢了，薪水可以比台灣人的低，但是能力卻比台灣人強，所以在大陸的台商一般等生產穩定後，都願意請大陸當地人來管理，所以台干的市場也越來越小，而更多的大陸人都在聯手排擠台干。
不掩飾地說，當時聽到這些話，我真的是心里暗笑，開心得無以言喻。為什麼？因為我很開心，我們大陸的同胞們給這些無知的井底蛙一些教訓。

前段時間為了罷扁案，在凱特格蘭大道上舉辦的一系列的JI HUI，有一次，老公帶我去了。當時還看到宋楚瑜。整個大道上的JI HUI，突然之間有种怪怪的感覺。看著這些人搖旗吶喊，將喇叭吹得山響，有時不明白，這些人究竟在做什麼啊。當時台上的一個立 委在講演，在問台下的群眾：兩岸ZHI HANG條例，如果開通兩岸直HANG，會促進台灣的發展，而民進黨卻霸占主席台，不允許修改案通過，這就是在自絕於台灣。
台下的群眾吹喇叭來表示抗議民主黨的行為，當時我真的忍不住掉淚，其實並不是所有的台灣人都那麼無知，他們都記得，他們是中國人，他們需要生活，他們要跟現在的大陸同胞一樣，有一個經濟穩定發展的生活！尤其是那句口號：要直航、拼經濟。我很高興曾經有這樣一种親歷的經歷，也才真正理解了老公一直對我講的：台獨只是民進黨愚民拉選票的賤招。

所謂的民主，現在連台灣人都說在台灣根本沒有民主，為什麼？
陳水扁是台灣人民票選的，這不假，但是其中他耍的手段也不用我多說什麼。而現在，陳水扁的民意降到多低？大家可以想象得到嗎？當陳水扁在電視上進行向全台人民答辯時，電視台的現場CALL IN 投票 ，相信他的話的只有五千多人，不相信他的話的有十多萬票。全台倒扁聲浪高，為什麼阿扁下不了台？連台灣民人都ＣＡＬＬ　ＩＮ致疑，台灣真的有民主嗎？如果真的有，為什麼現在民意都想阿扁下台，他卻不下呢？！
這究竟是不是民主？真的希望大陸的同胞們，看清楚！不要再人雲亦雲了。
現在如果哪個台灣人敢對我說：你們大陸一黨統治，不民主。我馬上反諷：你們台灣好民主啊，民主到全民反對都沒能讓阿扁下台。我們一黨統治，全民拼經濟，老百姓日子比以前好過。你們呢？帶著子女燒炭自殺的一大堆。
大陸窮的固定也有，但是大家不可否認的是，這幾年的經濟的確比以往好很多，事實大於雄辯！

再說句欠拍的話：政治不過是政治人物玩弄權術的方式罷了，真正的小老百姓又懂什麼叫政治嗎？不管是不是一黨執政，只要當權者知道要把改善人民的生活放在心中第一位，老百姓過著安居樂業的日子，難道不是我們想要的嗎？像台灣這樣的彈丸之地，現在的狀況難道還不能引起大陸現在所謂一些民主憤青的警醒嗎？！
再說到有些大陸同胞認為台灣言論自由，可以自由地罵當權者。
也許從表面上看來真的是這樣，
可是我們換一個角度來看。
一個國家就是一個大家庭，
當權者就是這個大家庭的家長。
我們的一個家庭里，多多少少都會有這樣或那樣的矛盾。
現在請大家試想一下（當然，現在八十年代的孩子們多是獨生子女，我自己也是。可能習慣了自我，但是請你們再試想一下），
當你小時候跟自己的兄弟姐妹在家為了爭一個玩具大打出手，或是因為跟兄弟姐妹發生矛盾而被父母責罵的時候，
你是不是很恨兄弟姐妹甚至父母，
但是當鄰居家的孩子打到你的兄弟姐妹時，
你是站在旁邊興災樂禍地大叫「打得好！打重點！為我剛才的奪玩具之恨報仇！」
還是一言不發，先撲上去幫自己的兄弟姐妹把鄰居打跑，再回家來算剛才的奪玩具之仇？！
同樣，像現在的台灣，如果只是大家內部罵一罵執政黨，OK，沒關系，閉上門來是自己的家事。
可是不分時間場合的大罵一氣，試想在國際上，鄰國又是如何看待你？！

在一個家庭里，如果做子女的一味在外人面前責罵自己的父母怎樣偏心，怎麼不好，這個子女可能得到外人的同情嗎？還是這种行為只會令得與他父母有矛盾的人的利用，還有外人對他這個家庭以及父母的輕視？！不尊重自己及自己家庭的人，又有什麼資格得到外人的尊重呢？
一個小家庭尚且如此，一個國家也是如何。如此簡單的道理，為什麼總有人想不明白。

大家再靜心想想，美國的民眾有沒有當著我們中國人的面來罵他們美國的總統？我不能否認他們在美國國內會罵，但是他們有當著我們中國人乃至全世界人民的面來罵他們自己的總統嗎？如果我的記憶沒有出錯，應該是沒有。
為什麼？他們要在國際面前維護他們那個大家庭的家長的形象！
如果說一定要隨時隨地不分青紅皂白不弄清事實的真相而一味的去責罵我們大陸的領導人，先不說這對他們公不公平，至少你在國際上這樣做，不會讓人家覺得你是個追求民主的進步青年，只會讓人家背後恥笑你。

人，想要讓別人尊重自己、瞧得起自己，首先就要樹立起我們的國威！只有努力地維護著自己國家的形象和利益，才能讓別人不敢小瞧你，就如同我最開始講的，我們是有國家作為後盾的中國人，現在中國日益強盛，令到美日害怕，於是挑三撥四地鼓動一些頭腦簡單的人鼓吹所謂的民主，以達到分解中國的目的。可是只有中國真正的強盛了，我們不管在哪里，都可以得到國際社會的尊重。國威，是每個身在境外的中國人最堅實的靠山和後盾！

真的很希望從未出過國門的一些憤青們，別再人雲亦雲地受到某些人的利用，好好多讀幾本歷史書，多多了解一些及時的國際諮詢，重新整理一下你們的頭腦吧。

if you are making a statment wouldnt it be better to do it in English since well the rest of the forum cant read it.

^^^
let me translate to you...

:nuts: :nuts: Taiwan?
:lol: :lol: :lol: 想吃原子彈??


Taiwan, want to eat atomic bomb??

of course, rest of it you don't need to know...
and you can see why everyone in the world hate chinese people because they behave like this...:bash:

我覺得臺灣人蟎可憐的


taiwan will not be miserable if china lets go its unreasonable obsession for taiwan...
http://blog.roodo.com/subing/archives/544022.html

another japanese territory issue...

６０年間、 隠蔽された「台灣國際地位」 の真相
......


Besides Hakka and mainlanders, there's merely 2% of people who are really Taiwanese, primitive men, original tribes before Chinese invaded there! I guess you are one of them, so, yeah, you have the right to say how Taiwan goes in future! Including being part of Japan.... :cheers:

Sen, I know you're an exceptionally educated chinese.
So, could you kindly teach me about the 'civilization' which KMT brought to Taiwan?
Taiwanese had been one of the most civilized people in Asia far before KMT invaded the island.
Invaded? LOL this is from a Japanese mouth.:lol: :lol: :nuts:

Besides Hakka and mainlanders, there's merely 2% of people who are really Taiwanese, primitive men, original tribes before Chinese invaded there! I guess you are one of them, so, yeah, you have the right to say how Taiwan goes in future! Including being part of Japan.... :cheers:
It's a shame he has a Chinese surname. Maybe his mother got fucked by a Chinese?

Yeah I totally support they change their last names to their aboriginal last names, aliguala or something..it's a shame they carry Chinese last names when they don't even have Chinese genes.

Enough.