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Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 12:09 PM

Here is the French bid :) :

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Transportations & Infrastructures: (existing ones)
None investment in transportations and infrastructures is needed here, for hosting UEFA Euro.

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Railways

France has the largest high speed network in Europe (one of the largest in the world), French high speed lines allow TGV to have a commercial speed over 300Km/h (320km/h on newest lines).
New connections (especially with Spain, Germany and Italy) and extensions are projected in the near future. The AGV-Alstom trains (future successor of TGV-Alstom trains, from 2014) will have a commercial speed up to 360km/h on the existing TGV network.

TGV trains carry over 100 million passengers per year !

TGV-Alstom high speed national and international network:
-TGV Atlantique
-TGV (duplex) Méditerrannée
-TGV Nord & Nord-Europe (France-Belgium)
-TGV Est-Europe (France-Luxembourg-Germany) + ICE-Siemens (France-Germany)
-TGV Lyria aka TGV Ligne de Coeur (France-Switzerland)
-Eurostar (France-UK-Belgium)
-Thalys (France-Belgium-Netherlands-Germany)

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(the whole electrified network is approx: 18,000 km; 62% of journeys between candidate cities will last less than 4 hours)

Motorway network

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International Airports & Hotel infrastructures

The airports of the 12 candidate cities have an annual total traffic over 160 million passengers.
Some airports such as Lyon-St Exupery or Paris-CDG have their own TGV stations with services toward large French cities (including most of Euro candidate cities) and also toward some European Capitals/cities.

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France is the first tourist destination in the world with approx. 80 million visitors per year. So, the hotel capacities of all candidate cities are good, in each category (including hotels with training facilities for the 24 teams).

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Cities (9+3 reserve)

Paris & St-Denis, population: 11,769,433

St-Denis:
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http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1678/garererblaplainestadede.jpghttp://img696.imageshack.us/img696/16/pml.jpghttp://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5069/138stdenismetrostationj.jpg

Free bike system (Velcom: 450 bikes & 50 stations) :
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8930/maintenancesurlereseauv.pnghttp://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8312/velcom005.jpg

Paris:
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3129/14935jpg.jpghttp://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6025/fotoreiseparis16232cmjn.jpghttp://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1295/image8wjpg.jpg
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5480/champselysesvuedelaconc.jpghttp://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3702/pontalexandreiiijpg.jpghttp://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8089/paristramsfinallyinserv.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2742/37442statueoflibertyjpg.jpghttp://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7/l1408bibliotheque07jpg.jpghttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1737/328807721008c5173b8cjpg.jpg
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5114/image10ijpg.jpghttp://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9388/26687347153cef56ef06bjp.jpghttp://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7256/226hjjpg.jpg

Transports (suburban trains, RER, Métro & Tram; new lines and extensions planned) :
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/889/planrersncfparisidf.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/5383/metroparis.gif

Free bike system (Vélib': 20,600 bikes & 1,451 stations) :
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/566/346269006561803846d7b.jpghttp://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6470/2434913396a7343d4d4co.jpghttp://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1497/2105034099a9dc594b76b.jpg

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Marseille, population: 1,623,720

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http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4025/34609614.jpghttp://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5734/1255422553tramwaymarsei.jpghttp://img513.imageshack.us/img513/871/dfgn.jpg
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Transports (Métro & Tram, extensions planned) :
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6930/620pxmarseillespnvnetzp.png

Free bike system (Le Vélo: 1,000 bikes & 130 stations) :
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7225/3511843001f4f96aaa5fb.jpghttp://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7326/155323145695a5053312.jpghttp://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3268/2722891014ec18285568.jpg

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Lyon, population: 1,748,271

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Transports (Métro & Tram, extensions planned) :
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Free bike system (Vélo'v: 4,000 bikes & 340 stations) :
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Lille, population: 1,164,716 (Lille is an important European crossroads)

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Transports (Métro & Tram, extensions planned) :
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Bordeaux, population: 1,010,000 (Well known for its wines and its monuments)

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Transports (Tram, extensions planned) :
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Free bike system (vCUB: 1,545 bikes & 139 stations) :
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Lens, population: 552,694 (city: 35,583)

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Transports (Tram-Train, opening 2014) :
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Toulouse, population: 1,102,882 (Hometown of Airbus & the home base of the European aerospace industry)

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Transports (Métro & Tram, extensions planned) :
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Free bike system (VélôToulouse: 2,400 bikes & 246 stations) :
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St-Etienne, population: 392,041

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Transports (Tram) :
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Free bike system (opening in june 2010: 300 bikes) :
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Strasbourg, population: 638,670 (known as the European capital: EU Parliament, Council of Europe, European Court of Human Rights etc)

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Transports (Tram, new lines and extensions planned) :
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Free bike system (opening in september 2010: 2,000 bikes)

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Nice, population: 991,903 (Côte d'Azur/French Riviera: Cannes, Monaco Monte-Carlo, Antibes, St-Tropez etc :cheers:)

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Transports (Tram, new lines and extensions planned) :
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Free bike system (Vélobleu: 900 bikes & 90 stations) :
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Nancy, population: 415,765 (Nancy's region is the homeland of Michel Platini :yes:)

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Transports (Tram, new lines and extensions planned) :
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Free bike system (VélOstan-lib: 1,050 bikes & 105 stations) :
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Stadiums : (9+3 reserve)

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1. Paris/St-Denis (Stade de France) 81,338 (76,474 during Euro), Renovations
2. Marseille 65/75,000 (65,000 minimum (?) during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension
3. Lyon (Ol Land) 61,556 (57,628 during Euro), New
4. Paris (Parc des Princes) 50/53,000 + Retractable roof ? (40,058 minimum (?) during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension
5. Lille 50,283 + Retractable roof & movable pitch (47,882 during Euro), New
6. Bordeaux 43/45,000 (42,566 during Euro), New
7. Lens 44,000 (40,113 during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension
8. Toulouse 40/43,000 (37,050 during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension
9. St-Etienne 42,000 (39,327 during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension
10. Strasbourg 36/40,000 (36,645 during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension
11. Nice 35/38,000 (33,470 during Euro), New
12. Nancy 35,000 + Retractable roof (31,973 during Euro), Refurbishment and Extension

Most of projects include renewable energy (photovoltaics, thermal panels and/or wind turbines + rainwater collection systems)

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Paris (St-Denis)

Stade de France (81,338 ￨ built ￨ renovations from now to 2016 ￨ approved ￨ cost: €100M, 100% private)

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Marseille

Stade Vélodrome (65/75K ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €150M, private-public partnership ￨ opening: 2014)

Current stadium:
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4043/marseille60031copie.jpg http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8915/25290527454c3fc5f112bco.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7131/3567england.jpg

Illustration:
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9379/velodromecopie.jpg

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Lyon

"OL Land" (61,556 ￨ new ￨ approved ￨ cost: €450M, 100% private ￨ opening: December 2013)

Project:
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http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4536/16bollandprojet2011copi.jpg http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2674/capturedcran20100223112.jpg

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Paris

Parc des Princes (50/53K + retractable roof (?) ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €75-100M, 100% private ￨ opening: 2014)

Current stadium:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9144/154272660470d62fe61doco.jpg http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4425/455713618bmnzacfs.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3777/13655375728ac0a7c342o.jpg

Proposals:
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2527/parcfiche26copie.gif http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1739/sanstitre4iucopie.png

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Lille

"Grand Stade" (50,283 + retractable roof + movable pitch ￨ new ￨ under construction ￨ cost: €620-700M, private-public partnership ￨ opening: July 2012)

Project:
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/695/image1iki.jpg http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9314/157783.gif

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/594/16grandstadeprojet2011c.jpg http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8362/15grandstadeprojet2011c.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6646/17grandstadeprojet2011c.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4049/6ac5d837ac0078fc12f93b7.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3042/image8iz.jpg

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Bordeaux

"Grand Stade" (43/45K ￨ new ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €165-200M, 50% public + 50% payed by the club ￨ opening: 2014)

Illustration:
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Lens

Stade Félix-Bollaert (44K ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ approved ￨ cost: €111M, 50% public + 50% payed by the club ￨ opening: February 2014)

Current stadium:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5951/12rclensfaadetribunepri.jpg http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/776/capturedcran20100224121.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/416/31rclensinterieurwc1998.jpg

Project:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3624/3357280130d6047af12db.jpg http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5766/10stadeflixbollaertproj.jpg

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5383/bollaert2014brclensfrco.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5506/15stadeflixbollaertproj.jpg

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Toulouse

Stadium Municipal (40/43K ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €54M, 100% public with certainly a part payed by the rugby and football clubs of the city ￨ opening: summer 2014)

Current stadium:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4825/1stadiumrwc2007copie.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9426/12stadiumfaadetribunepr.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4129/30cstadiumintrieurcopie.jpg http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/3563/37stadiumintrieurrwc200.jpg

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No rendering yet ! They will extend the second ring all around the stadium and change all the seats.

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St-Etienne

Stade Geoffroy-Guichard (42K ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €75M, 100% public ￨ opening: 2014)

Current stadium:
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8158/2stadegeoffroyguichardc.jpg http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7996/12stadegeoffroyguichard.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9940/31stadegeoffroyguichard.jpg

No rendering yet, but they are going to close the corners (with stands & suites) and remove the current roofs in order to add a new one over the whole "new" stadium.

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Strasbourg

Stade de la Meinau (36/40K ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €160M, private-public partnership ￨ opening: 2014)

Current stadium:
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http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/889/221863775be7cd814ebocop.jpg

Illustration:
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Nice

"Grand Stade" (35/38K ￨ new ￨ bidding in progress ￨ cost: €158M, private-public partnership ￨ opening: June 2013)

Illustration: (former project)
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Nancy

Stade Marcel-Picot (35K + retractable roof ￨ refurbishment & extension ￨ approved ￨ cost: €60-70M, 100% private ￨ opening: late 2012)

Current stadium:
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http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/641/32890112581465857836b.jpg http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/7886/imgp1806jpg.jpg

Project:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6939/picot2012.jpg http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8602/capturedcran20100516003.jpg

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6594/94126397.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5096/67737741.jpg

the book
France (http://www.fff.fr/common/bib_res/ressources/420000/6500/100217145131_synthese.PDF)

Italy (http://www.figc.it/other/MB_2016_ita.pdf)

Turkey (http://euro2016adayiturkiye.com/publishDocument.php?id=532)

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There are just three bids left for EURO 2012. What I was thinking, almost all West-European hosted a EURO. Since almost no change has happened in Eastern Europe in football terms, why not change the EURO thing, and also allowing it for regions or multiple countries to host? Here you can dicuss the most beautiful and/or impossible EURO's.

How bout: EURO 2016: London?!

Wembley - 90.000
Twickenham - 82.000 (I'm sure they'd co-operate on this unique operation)
Emirates - 60.000
Stamford Bridge - 43.000 (At the time it would be probably 60.000 or something, thanks to Abramovich)
The New Valley - 40.000
White Hart Lane - 36.000
Boleyn - 35.000
Selhurst - 26.000

You'd have eight stadiums, of which two need slight expansion. The beautiful thing is; everything is happening in one city. Not across the country where people need to travel 700 km to the next stadium, they just need to travel a couple of kilometres (or miles, whatever you prefer)

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 12:20 PM

Or EURO 2016: Nordrhein-Westfalen

Westfalenstadion - 66.000 (81.000 using stands)
Schalke Arena - 54.000 (61.000 using stands)
LTU Arena - 52.000 (all seater)
Borussia Park - 46.000 (53.000 using stands)
Müngersdorfer Stadion - 46.000 (51.000 using stands)
Ruhrstadion - 24.000 (33.000 using stands)
Grotenburg Stadion - 35.000 using stands
BayArena - 22.500 (all seater)

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 12:44 PM

Or EURO 2016: Euskadi (Basque Country)

San Mamés - Bilbao - 40.000
Anoeta - San Sebastian - 32.000
El Sardinero - Santader - 22.500
Mendizorroza - Vitória - 20.000
El Sadar - Pamplona - 20.000
Gobela - Gexto - 15.000
Hameau - Pau - 14.000
Parc des Sports d'Aguiléra - Biarritz - 13.500

Needs a lot of expansion, but hey, is a nice set of stadia.

skaP187

June 28th, 2006, 12:47 PM

This list was on the WHL thread

1) wembley: 90,000
2) twickenham: 82,000
3) olympic stadium: 80,000
4) emirates: 60,000
5) stamford bridge: 42,449, with plans to expand/relocate to 50,000+
6) white hart lane: 36,214, with plans to expand/relocate above 50,000+
7) upton park: 35,647, with plans to expand up to 40,500
8) the valley: 27,111, with plans to expand up to 40,600

Not bad no? would be a new thing and I prefer London try it out!

skaP187

June 28th, 2006, 12:48 PM

def. good Idea , only thing is there won't be nothing left of London or whoever after this tournament.

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 12:48 PM

Or EURO 2016: Comunidad Valenciana

New Valencia Stadium - Valencia - 70.000
Mestalla - Valencia - 53.000
Martinez Valero - Elche/Elx - 39.000
José Rico Perez - Alicante - 30.000
Ciudad de Valencia - Valencia - 28.000
El Madrigal - Villarreal - 23.000
Nuevo Estadio Castalia - Castellón - 18.000
Los Silos - Burjassot - 13.000

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 12:49 PM

@ skap; doens't matter :P it would be a nice tournament

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 12:53 PM

EURO 2016: Andalucía

La Cartuja - Sevilla - 70.000
Manuel Ruiz de Lopera - Sevilla - 56.000
Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán - Sevilla - 55.000
La Rosaleda - Malaga - 33.000
Ramon de Carranza - Cadiz - 22.000
Nuevo Colombino - Huelva - 20.000
Mediterráneo - Alméria - 20.000
Municipal de La Linea - La Linea - 20.000

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 01:11 PM

EURO 2016: Scandinavia

New Råsunda - 50.000
Nya Ullevi - 43.000
Parken - København - 42.000
Olympiastadion - Helsinki - 42.000
Brøndby - København - 29.000
Malmö - Malmö - 27.000
Ullevaal - Oslo - 26.000
Lerkendal - Trondheim - 21.000

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 01:21 PM

EURO 2016: The Netherlands

Amsterdam Arena - Amsterdam - 52.000
De Kuip - Rotterdam - 51.000
Philips Stadion - 37.000
Gelredome - Arnhem - 30.000
KooimeerplAZa - Alkmaar - 30.000 (under construction)
Olympic Stadion - Amsterdam - 30.000
Abe Lenstra Stadion - 28.000
Arke Stadion - Enschede - 27.000 (being expanded at the moment)

EURO 2016: Netherlands / Belgium
I've read somewhere that Brugge and Anderlecht are going to build new stadium / expand the current one, both to about 40.000 In that case:
Amsterdam Arena - Amsterdam - 52.000
De Kuip - Rotterdam - 51.000
Koning Boudewijn - Brussel - 50.000
New Stadium - Brugge - 40.000
Constant Vanden Stock - Brussel - 40.000
Philips Stadion - 37.000
Gelredome - Arnhem - 30.000
Olympisch Stadion - Amsterdam - 30.000

Quintana

June 28th, 2006, 01:26 PM

skaP187

June 28th, 2006, 01:38 PM

Maybe a simelar thing is posseble in the
Manchester Liverpool area (North West England)

Manchester United
cap 76.000

Manchester City,
cap. 46.000

Liverpool FC,
Cap. today 45.000

Cap future 60.000

Liverpool Everton FC,
cap. 40.2000

Blackburn
cap. 31.367

Bolton
cap. 28.723

Wigan (easely expendable by filling the corners)
cap 25.000

Preston
cap 23.500 (easely expendable by filling the corners)

SimLim

June 28th, 2006, 01:42 PM

Rubbish idea. Would never happen.

Aka

June 28th, 2006, 02:34 PM

No, no and no.

By the way, Holland and Belgium again? Jeez...

Sparks

June 28th, 2006, 02:52 PM

England will be focused on the 2018 World Cup.

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 07:31 PM

No, no and no.

Why, why and why not?

Rubbish idea. Would never happen.

There are enough things in the world that won't happen. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about it on this forum in this topic.

The two of you are just like the UEFA. Not open to new things which could improve the tournament.

Santander is Cantabrian which is definately not Basque :)
My bad.

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 07:41 PM

Gaelic EURO?

Croke Park IRL - 83.000
Millennium WAL - 73.000
Murrayfield SCO - 68.000
Celtic Park SCO - 61.000
Hampden SCO - 52.000
Ibrox SCO - 51.000
New Landsdowne Road IRL- 50.000
Austin Stack Park IRL - 25.000 (newly built 30.000 seater or something - this one's falling apart.)

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 07:58 PM

Former DDR EURO:

Olympiastadion Berlin - 76.000 (recently built)
Zentralstadion Leipzig - 44.000 (recently built)
Ostseestadion Rostock - 30.000
Rudolf Harbig Stadion Dresden - 29.000
Stadion Magdeburg - 28.000 (new)
Stadion der Freundschaft Cottbus - 21.000
Kurt Wabbel Stadion Halle - 24.000
An der Alten Försterei Berlin - 18.000 (new)

Aka

June 28th, 2006, 08:12 PM

Why, why and why not?

Because, because, because an european championship is a competition held by a country and not a region or a city.
And... are you forgetting that there must be an home national team automatically qualified? You're giving the home advantage to the same countries over and over again: Spain, Germany, England, Netherlands, Spain, Germany, England, Netherlands, Spain, Germany, bla bla bla.

There are many european countries - specially eastern europeans - that wish to host an european championship, to improve their facilities and to be heard around the world... and you're thinking in regions from countries that don't really need it.

Giving an european championship to Euskadi could be seen as an UEFA statement supporting Euskadi's independence.

SimLim

June 28th, 2006, 08:13 PM

No. Its a rubbish idea. Plain and simple. I didnt say you could'nt talk about it. I just put my two cents in.

One it would'nt benefit a nation as a whole, and considering countries in Europe are no bigger then certain states in America there is no point cramming 16 teams into a single city.

The whole point of having a nation holidgg such an event is for a once in a life time oppurtunity. If England were to host the Euro championships just in London imagine the hoo hah.

Sorry. You can start threads on whatever you want. But this is a ridiculous idea. My point of view. :)

eomer

June 28th, 2006, 08:21 PM

Or EURO 2016: Euskadi (Basque Country)
Hameau - Pau - 14.000

Pau is in Bearn, not in Basque country.

cphdude

June 28th, 2006, 09:20 PM

Though I get the point of trying to move away from the same hosts again and again, I like others, have my doubts that this is a good idea or that it will work. Whenever a country is chosen to host a tournement of any kind, one of the most importent thing, underlined by everyone, is that the whole country is behind the idea. That the whole country is willing to pay for a project that only bennifits a small group of people. It is hard enough to get that kind of support for an olympic, which does have many sports, but to get it for a single tournement may be tough. And how many capitals or regions could do this? Not many im guessing. And the once you mention (germany, spain, england) are already capeble of doing it nationwide...So insted of spreading it out more, you in fact risk increasing the number of times big countries like england, germany, spain and france will host. And if suddenly London can host, smaller countries may never get a chance.

There is also, as someone else mentioned the problem with the host countries being pre-qualified, but I supose they could take away that right, even if it will be a big risk..

There are stil plenty of countries that have not hosted, both in east and north, outside the big 5 (eng, france, germany, span, italy) so insted maybe UEFA just need to relax the rules a bit or help other countries financially withe loans for stadiums....God know thay can spare the money and besides it may be seen as an investment in football's future...

I do like the idea of naighbouring countries hosting together, as we will already see next time, so maybe we will see of that in the future, for smaller countries... as long as it doesnt get to far away...

Martuh

June 28th, 2006, 11:01 PM

tv123

June 28th, 2006, 11:26 PM

2012 Croatia and Hungary :nocrook:
:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Enzo911

June 29th, 2006, 12:20 AM

Enzo911

June 29th, 2006, 12:21 AM

Aka

June 29th, 2006, 12:25 AM

In Middle and Eastern Europe there are enough countries who have not hosted yet but the main problem is; they're still too crappy in football because they're still switching between a plan economy to a market economy. Nothing wrong with that but I just don't think they're ready yet.

That's why they host Euros. For... "crappy" footballing countries one day have the chance to be... less "crappy" in football and even on their economy.

cphdude

June 29th, 2006, 05:06 AM

That's why they host Euros. For... "crappy" footballing countries one day have the chance to be... less "crappy" in football and even on their economy.
Exacty. If Uefa wanted to take a chance on some of the smaller countries, it might work. Also, there is no reason countries like, spain, italy or france, cant host again. It has been many years so why not...?

AndyKane

July 7th, 2006, 07:55 PM

Euro 2016: SCOTLAND

Glasgow - Parkhead and Hampden Park
Edinburgh - Murrayfield and Tynecastle*
Aberdeen - Pittodrie
Dunfermline - East End Park*
Dundee - Tannadice Park* and Dens Park*
Perth - McDiarmid Park*
Inverness - Caledonian Stadium*
Ayr - Somerset Park*
Gretna - Proposed new Stadium or Motherwell - Fir Park*

* = More seats needed

alfista159

July 8th, 2006, 03:55 PM

2012 Croatia and Hungary :nocrook:
:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Has it won the host?

crossbowman

July 8th, 2006, 04:41 PM

^^ not yet and actually i'm not quite sure they will win it :D

alfista159

July 9th, 2006, 01:45 AM

Oh too bad if they don't...

Anthony

July 9th, 2006, 12:42 PM

Euro 2016 : France

80000 Stade de France
80000 Expansion of OM stadium
65000 New OL stadium
55000 Parc des Princes
50000 New LOSC staduim
48000 Expansion of RCLens stadium
38000 Nantes
35000 Bordeaux (Maybe a new stadium)

8 stadiums
2 more than 80000
3 more than 50000
4 more than 30000

Martuh

July 9th, 2006, 02:33 PM

Martuh

July 9th, 2006, 02:41 PM

TU - Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi - 82.000 (2005 UEFA CL final host)
GR - Olympic Stadium - 74.000 (2007 UEFA CL final host)
TU - Izmir Atatürk - 63.000
TU - Sükrü Saraçoglu - 50.000
GR - Votanikos Arena - 40.000
GR - Karaiskaki Stadium - 33.000
TU - Besiktas Inönü Stadi - 33.000
TU - Kayseri Atatürk - 30.000
GR - Toumba Stadium - 29.000
GR - Kaftantzoglio Stadium - 28.000

10 stadiums/ 5-5 divided

Mo Rush

July 9th, 2006, 02:47 PM

euro south africa...lol neutral venue

Martuh

July 9th, 2006, 02:54 PM

Camp Nou - 98.000
Wembley - 90.000
San Siro - 86.000
Stadio Olimpico - 82.000
Westfalenstadion - 82.000
Stade de France - 80.000
Santiago Bernabeu - 80.000
Old Trafford - 76.000
Olympiastadion - 76.000
Allianz Arena - 70.000

10 stadiums, all 70.000+

JP_Neptune

July 9th, 2006, 03:01 PM

Martuh: about this last poast, you're forgetting that the host country is always automatically qualified. If the Euro Cup is held over 5 or 6 countries, that would leave only 10 spots open for other countries.

I remember that there was some proposal for the Euro 2008 to be held by Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland, but that was put aside (probably by UEFA) since it's not practical and also it would guarantee the 4 hosts a place in the tournament and only 12 spots would be open for qualifying.

Another thing that UEFA has in mind when attributing these tournaments is the importance of football in the candidate countries. It is true that football is popular all over Europe, but there's big differences between the popularity of football in Sweden and in Finland, for example.

So, imagine, between a country with very good infrastructures but less football enthusiasm and a country with strong football enthusiasm but not so good infrastructures, it would be a complicated decision.

Oh, and te stadiums must have at least 30 000 seats.

virg

July 9th, 2006, 03:14 PM

EURO 2016: SOUTH OF FRANCE

MARSEILLE:-----80'500 (expansion of OM stadium)
LYON:----------70'000 (new OL stadium)
LYON:----------42'000 (stade de Gerland)
TOULOUSE:-----37'000 (Stadium)
SAINT-ETIENNE:-36'000 (stade Geoffroy-Guichard)
BORDEAUX:------35'000 (stade Chaban-Delmas)
NICE:------------35'000 (new stade du Ray)
MONTPELLIER:---32'000 (stade de la Mosson)

eomer

July 9th, 2006, 03:28 PM

But I'll tell you who've hosted the EURO's.
1976: Yugoslavia
1972: Belgium
1968: Italy
1964: Spain
1960: France

You can forget all of theses: that were not an Euro but only 2 semi-finals, a 3rd place match and a final.

daniel322

July 9th, 2006, 03:46 PM

in my opinion: spain..

why not Denmark? they had never hosted before.. or Norway...

MoreOrLess

July 9th, 2006, 04:01 PM

But I'll tell you who've hosted the EURO's.

2008: Austria and Switzerland
2004: Portugal
2000: Netherlands and Belgium
1996: England
1992: Sweden
1988: West-Germany
1984: France
1980: Italy
1976: Yugoslavia
1972: Belgium
1968: Italy
1964: Spain
1960: France

That is all major European countries including former Yugoslavia. France, Italy and Belgium (co)-hosted twice. That's almost all West-European countries, except for Denmark, Norway, Luxemburg, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Eastern Germany, Iceland and Finland. In Middle and Eastern Europe there are enough countries who have not hosted yet but the main problem is; they're still too crappy in football because they're still switching between a plan economy to a market economy. Nothing wrong with that but I just don't think they're ready yet.

I would not be at all supprized if we start seeing UEFA use the european champions in a similar way to FIFA with the world cup though. Pre 96 they were not espeically big events and by en large football there wasnt that much room for devolpment of the game. The modern 16 team european championship thats just a step below the WC(I'd argue a step above in terms of match quality in the last decade) has great potential to devolp the game on the other hand and many nations to devolp in eastern europe.

toulousain

July 9th, 2006, 04:18 PM

Tomek_No

July 10th, 2006, 12:38 PM

Euro 2016: Poland
Warsaw National Stadium 80 000
Silesia Stadium Chorzow 60 000
Amica Arena Poznan 48 000
Baltic Arena Gdansk 45 000
Olympic Stadium Wroclaw 45 000
Wisla Krakow Stadium 35 000
Legia Warsaw Stadium 35 000

www.e2012.org --- Poland and Ukraine candidate for Euro 2012

Demetrius

July 10th, 2006, 12:55 PM

Euro 2016: Greece

Athens Olympic Stadium: 74.000
New Panathinaikos Arena (approved 2006):45.000
Karaiskaki (Olympiacos) Ground:33.000

New Toumba (PAOK Salonica) Ground (planned):30-40.000
Caftazoglion (Hercules Salonica) Stadium: 28.000 (expandable)

New AEL (Larissa) Ground (approved 2006): 22.000 (eaisly expandable with filling the corners)

Pancretion (OFI & Ergotelis Heraclion Crete) Stadium:28.000 (easily expandable)

Panthessalian (Volos) Stadium: 22.000 (easily expandable)

Panpelloponese (Patras) Stadium: 22.000 (easily expandable)

New PAS Ioannina (Ioannina) Ground (proposed): 30.000 (that could be reduced after the Euro to 20.000 as in some Portugal Stadiums).

Main Disadvantage: 50% are stadiums with tracks around the pitch

Giorgio

July 10th, 2006, 01:23 PM

Durbsboi

July 10th, 2006, 01:28 PM

Isnt Greece been banned by FIFA? for some politics thing? that even bans them from taking part in UEFA games.

Giorgio

July 10th, 2006, 01:29 PM

Isnt Greece been banned by FIFA? for some politics thing? that even bans them from taking part in UEFA games.
Greece have until July 15 to rectify the issue and it has more or less been resolved.

Which government in the world would allow itself to be banned from International football :crazy:

It just took 2 years for Greece to change its laws. FIFA are control freaks.

cphdude

July 10th, 2006, 02:21 PM

in my opinion: spain..

why not Denmark? they had never hosted before..
Because at the moment the biggest stadium is parken with 42.000 seats...With some investment we would, I guess, be able to create a 50.000 stadium and 1 or 2 40.000 seat places and the rest 30.000T - though most would have to be expanded and it would be expensive - but that is still a pretty low number and UEFA might not go for that....

Martuh

July 11th, 2006, 12:39 AM

in my opinion: spain..

why not Denmark? they had never hosted before.. or Norway...

Denmark only has 2 stadiums at the moment which have the minimum size: Parken (42.000 or something) and Brondby (29.000).

Mo Rush

July 11th, 2006, 01:04 AM

']Greece have until July 15 to rectify the issue and it has more or less been resolved.

Which government in the world would allow itself to be banned from International football :crazy:

It just took 2 years for Greece to change its laws. FIFA are control freaks.
wont this ban damper FIFA's relation with the hellenic football federation and affect a possible euro bid by greece?

cphdude

July 11th, 2006, 03:32 AM

Denmark only has 2 stadiums at the moment which have the minimum size: Parken (42.000 or something) and Brondby (29.000).
wasnt that pretty much what I just said...?? :scouserd:

Aka

July 11th, 2006, 06:16 AM

An Euro needs a 60.000 for the final and two 50.000 for the semi-finals (one of them could be the same of the final).

Aka

July 11th, 2006, 06:17 AM

Denmark only has 2 stadiums at the moment which have the minimum size: Parken (42.000 or something) and Brondby (29.000).

How many had Portugal? (Well, we had, but they were dated)

Giorgio

July 11th, 2006, 07:45 AM

wont this ban damper FIFA's relation with the hellenic football federation and affect a possible euro bid by greece?
Not at all.
This is the fault of the Government not the EPO (Hellenic Football Fed.).

This will have no effect what so ever.

www.sercan.de

July 11th, 2006, 12:37 PM

An Euro needs a 60.000 for the final and two 50.000 for the semi-finals (one of them could be the same of the final).
no
i think 50,000 for Final

Martuh

July 11th, 2006, 01:15 PM

How many had Portugal? (Well, we had, but they were dated)

As far as I know, Portugal had:
Da Luz - 78.000
José Alvalade - 53.000
Das Antas - 50.000
Nacional - 39.000
Do Restelo - 33.000

wasnt that pretty much what I just said...?? :scouserd:
Kinda, you forgot Brondby :scouserd:

Quintana

July 11th, 2006, 01:16 PM

How many had Portugal? (Well, we had, but they were dated)

Denmark doesn't seem like a country willing to spend millions on stadiums that are way to big (or they have no use for at all) once the tournament is over...

Martuh

July 11th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Wembley - 90.000
Twickenham - 82.000
Old Trafford - 76.000
Millennium - 75.000
Murrayfield - 68.000
Celtic - 61.000
Emirates - 60.000
Stanley - 60.000

cphdude

July 11th, 2006, 04:51 PM

Kinda, you forgot Brondby :scouserd:

Ah, that was totaly implied....I swear....

Denmark doesn't seem like a country willing to spend millions on stadiums that are way to big (or they have no use for at all) once the tournament is over...

That is true. At least for the moment. However the temparary selutions get better and better all the time, so maybe...But you wont see Denmark build 8 brand new 50.000 seat stadiums...

Parken could be 50.000 though more likely a new one would be build. Brøndby could be 40.000 and 2 30.000 stadiums could be build....The rest would be renovation and expantion to around the 31.000 minimun...But I guess a 50.000 and 2 40.000 and the rest 30.000 could work. It would meat the demands, but as I said, other could easily do bigger....

Reptilikus

September 24th, 2006, 01:40 PM

FRANCE candidate cities, twelve will be chosen.

1-Paris (St-Denis)
Stade de France
81,338 seats

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3581/3285793073_bdf4abd74d_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3568/3286255190_441af2eeef_o.jpg

2-Marseille
Stade Vélodrome
60,031 seats (refurbishment with a roof and extension)
70,000 to 76,000 seats (20??)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3658/3286252006_7a933f58c4_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3286611482_775b004b84_o.jpg

3-Lyon
OL Land
61,556 seats (2014)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3357278972_cb3279e5cc_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3427/3357279748_a481541713_b.jpg

4-Lens
Stade Félix Bollaert
41,223 seats (refurbishment and extension)
50,200 seats (2012/13)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3552/3357280130_d6047af12d_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3575/3285432037_b5da1e7fe8_o.jpg

5-Lille
"Grand Stade"
50,186 seats (2012)
Retractable roof
Mobile half pitch (there is an indoor arena under the pitch)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3488/3298380011_ce9185f17e_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3357278516_5b4b53d2da_b.jpg

6-Saint-Etienne
Stade Geoffroy Guichard
35,616 seats (refurbishment and extension or new stadium)
50,000 seats (20??)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3126/3285791831_1738f5a629_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3437/3285436299_155aa43fbe_o.jpg

7-Paris
Parc des Princes
48,712 seats (refurbishment)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3286611000_1e296d2710_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3286252208_afa74620d5_o.jpg

8-Nantes
Stade de la Beaujoire-Louis Fonteneau
38,285 seats (refurbishment and extension)
45,000 seats (20??)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/3285790975_0889ef325d_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3295/3285432445_d998ec8bd5_o.jpg

9-Strasbourg
Eurostadium
42,710 seats (2014)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/3357279992_de98e163b8_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3356461565_c8a674231f_o.jpg

10-Nice
"Grand Stade"
41,000 seats (2014/15)
Retractable roof

(no pics yet)

11-Toulouse
Stadium Municipal
36,508 seats (refurbishment and maybe extension)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3325/3285791505_51e642a6ec_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3558/3285433195_01fc7375f2_b.jpg

12-Rennes
Stade de la Route de Lorient
30,778 seats (Extension)
35,000 seats (20??)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3285793405_51f751d04a_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/3285433565_9e794a2f49_o.jpg

13-Bordeaux
Stade Chaban-Delmas
34,462 seats (refurbishment)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3472/3285792239_47ab4e7301_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3286255766_ff61d5a7b7_b.jpg

14-Nancy
Stade Marcel Picot
20,087 seats (Extension)
33,000 seats (2013)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3004/3286610754_67679c8c61_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3541/3357338168_fa50445f49_o.jpg

15-Montpellier
Stade de la Mosson
32,939 seats (refurbishment)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3285792589_2a5825dcfb_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3321/3285437335_df56e712c6_b.jpg

16-Paris (Nanterre)
"Stade des Bouvets"
32,000 seats (Rugby stadium-2013)
Retractable roof

(No pics yet)

TURKEY
1a. Istanbul
Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi (built)
76,092 (they could at a 2nd tier at the goal stands. 85,000-90,000)
http://www.ataturkolimpiyatstadi.net/tr/images/tribun1.jpg

1b. Istanbul
Sükrü Saracolu Stadi (built)
53,586 (will be expanded this year to +55k)
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8242/mustafakumbarfbstadi.jpg

1c. Istanbul
Türk Telekom Arena (u/c - 2010)
52,647
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/24846/2000439560963079123_rs.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=528206

3. Ankara
New Stadium (pro)
50,000
Will be build at current old stadium area.

4. Izmir
IMO new 40-50k Stadium
Current one
Izmir Atatürk
54,960
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/TUR/Izmir_Ataturk2.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/TUR/Ataturk_Izmir.html

5. Antalya
New Stadium (u/c- 2010 or 2011)
31,500
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9164/antalya2yq0.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=662372

6. Kayseri
Kadir Has Şehir Stadı (u/c- Will be opened next month)
32,864
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/840/gokhanerdogankadirhas19qs6.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=406936

7. Konya
New Stadium (pro - 2012)
33,000
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3862/mutemutemutekonya7b.jpg

8. Bursa
New Stadium (pro)
A new 33,000-44,000 is planned.

9. Gaziantep
35,000
http://www.asimguzelbey.com.tr/files/ganteparena.jpg

or Eskisehir (33,500, pro), Adana, Trabzon (40,000, pro) etc

Quintana

September 24th, 2006, 02:59 PM

There is no way UEFA is going to give the tournament to three countries. Pick one or two or don't bid at all.

Rausa

September 24th, 2006, 03:13 PM

Sweden and Norway are "planning" a joint bid. But i'd rather see Sweden and Denmark hosting because the distance would be smaller and overall capacity would be higher..

cphdude

September 24th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Well, there was, as you may know, a joint nordic bid for the 2008 euros. The project was to include 4 countries I believe, and was pretty much the laugh of the town. Totaly impossible.

I know that sweden is currently looking into a bit for the euro 2016, and I agree it does look like the likely partner wil be Norway and not Denmark. It is worth noting that Norway is also looking into hosting the Winter Olympic Games in 2018...Maybe they wont spend the money on both...On the other hand they are pretty rich in Norway, and the big costs would probably be in infrastructure that would be done for the WG anyways, so....

Reptilikus

September 24th, 2006, 05:01 PM

Why did Sweden go to Norway?
Denmark has the biggest stadiums!

Then what about a Danish - Swedish bit?
The stadium list isn't much different.

Denmark:
Parken, Copenhagen, cap. 42500 (semifinal)
http://www.dbu.dk/data/dbu/imagedb/4261.jpg

Brøndby Stadium; cap. 29.000 (only 23.400 seats), expansion needed
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/daenemark/brondby_stadion/190.jpg

NRGi Park (former Århus Stadium), cap. 21000 expansion needed
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/denmark/aarhus_idraetspark1.jpg

Either Aalborg Stadium cap. 16.000 (Big expansion needed!)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/daenemark/aalborg_stadion/170.jpg

or Fionia Park (former Odense Stadium), cap. 15.633 (Big expansion needed!)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/daenemark/odense_stadion/100.jpg
Both stadium are relative new or has been renovated a few years ago, so it would be stupid to build new. They are both easy to expand!

Sweden:
New Stockholm stadium, cap 50.000. (Final)
http://www.bergark.se/bergark/images/projekt/storbilder/national1_1.jpg
Nya Ullevi, 43.200 (semifinal)
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/schweden/nya_ullevi/150.jpg
New Malmø stadium, 24.000, expansion needed
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9774/malmost9sp.jpg
New olympiastadion stadion in Stockholm Capacity: ca 24 000 (expansion needed)
http://www.skolproj.se/Stadion_OIP/Alt_01.jpg
Or maybe a new stadium built my Helsingborg IF.

The big issue is then, that the expansions will demand a lot of money, so the governments has to put a lot of money into the project!

cphdude

September 24th, 2006, 05:46 PM

Why did Sweden go to Norway?
Denmark has the biggest stadiums!

I didnt say that they did, but at the moment they have been speaking, as I understand it, extemcively with the Norwigian Football Association and they have yet to even inform the Danish side about the plans. I dont know why, but in my mind it looks like they have chosen at least their prfered pertner country.

The big issue is then, that the expansions will demand a lot of money, so the governments has to put a lot of money into the project!
Exactly. When the nordic joint bid demanded a renovation of Brøndby Stadium the state refused to pay the 50 million kroner and they have said seevral times, latest with the multiarena issue, that sports facileties are not the responsebility of the state....So maybe it will be easier to make it in Norway....

Reptilikus

September 24th, 2006, 07:39 PM

It's just so lame!

I just found out that the only western europe contries that hasn't hosted, or will host a EURO cup or World cup is:

Denmark
Norway
Finland
Island
Wales
Scotland
Ireland
Luxenburg
Greece (But they hosted the olympics!)

Why is it that the scandinavian countries, except Sweden, can't get together and host such an event, when they say that we are some of the richest countries in the world. Almost everybody else apparently can!

Rausa

September 24th, 2006, 08:04 PM

Yes hopefully, Swedish FA decides to do it with Denmark instead. It would be the best bid without a doubt, we could easily get it then.

They should build temporary stands at the ends in ullevi so it becomes a "football stadium", if they build them big it could easily be 50-60k..

cphdude

September 24th, 2006, 08:20 PM

One of the leading politicians have suggested building a new football stadium in Copenhagen, that could be used for a joint bid with Sweden. That was also suggested in the official olympic report.

A few years ago the city talked about building a new superliga standard stadium in Valby Idrætspark. I guess that could be build for a euro, 31.000 and then maybe downgraded later.

There is also always talk af an expantion of Parken, but there are som great problems with that...

Reptilikus

September 24th, 2006, 08:35 PM

It think It would be unfair to have three out of four EURO stadiums in and near Copenhagen.
Then it wouldn't be a joint Denmark - Sweden bit, but a Copenhagen - Sweden bit.
I know that FIFA doesn't accept that a city has more than 2 host stadiums, and I think that UEFA feels the same.

Parken is going to be expanded, when they put the old D-tribune down and replace it. I going to happen and will be done by 2008, so time isn't a problem here. But it only gives Parken 500 more seats, so there isn't any big cap. change.

cphdude

September 24th, 2006, 08:45 PM

It think It would be unfair to have three out of four EURO stadiums in and near Copenhagen.
Then it wouldn't be a joint Denmark - Sweden bit, but a Copenhagen - Sweden bit.
I know that FIFA doesn't accept that a city has more than 2 host stadiums, and I think that UEFA feels the same.
I know. But Brøndby is not copenhagen, and i think one could argue that.

Or perhaps we could just do it ourselves.

Parken
Brøndby
Valby/Amager (Tårnby - also talked about) or a totaly new in ørestaden
Køge or elsewhere on sjælland
Odense
Arhus
Aalborg
Esbjerg/Herning or somewhere on Fyn...

Would probably be a bit expencive, but dueable....

cphdude

September 24th, 2006, 08:49 PM

skaP187

September 25th, 2006, 09:32 PM

Sweden and Denmark are two countries with a big Football tradition so I hope they get there act together... I doubt it though

cphdude

September 26th, 2006, 09:19 PM

Sweden and Denmark are two countries with a big Football tradition so I hope they get there act together... I doubt it though
well, the two countries dont exactly love eachother, but still it should be possible...

ØlandDK

September 27th, 2006, 05:59 PM

^^
what do mean by that?

...and since when is Brøndby not a part of Copenhagen?

cphdude

September 28th, 2006, 11:34 PM

^^
what do mean by that?

That the 2 countries arent always the best of friends. And that the succes of even a joint bid, let alone a hosting, has a lot to do with politics. And that will be dificult with 2 countries. So as I said in many ways it will be easier to do it ourselfs.

...and since when is Brøndby not a part of Copenhagen?
Since about the same time we decided that Lyngby was not a part of Copenhagen either... :) Nah, all I am saying is that an argument could be made for it. It is only because there are so few people living here that it feels so close. Technicly it is not copenhagen. Not the same city, not the same council. So I think you could get away with it, especially since we are such a small country. But it doesnt really matter anyways. If we do a joint host, only 2 stadiums are needed in the capital. (Parken + either a new or brøndby)If we ever tried it alone, well. I doubt we ever would, but lets cross that bridge if we ever get there...

Lostboy

October 1st, 2006, 05:09 PM

Nothing would please me more to have my Nordic Kin bag a European Championships, especially if you beat one of those awful, ill thought out, Celt Bids. However a three way bid is on the road to disaster. Don't do it! Work out a bid between two countries (most likely Sweden and Denmark) with equal distribution and then start planning.

mrtocsin

October 2nd, 2006, 01:40 AM

Why not have a Sweden, Greece bid?

Honestly this two countries part of trying to host the European championship is just not on anymore. Just accept that you are small countries and will not hold a major tournament. Switzerland and Austria might be a success might not, I doubt it as the Swiss are horrible people but maybe they will try to be different.

Enough of joint bids, just let the proper footballing nations hold the European Championships, and the next one should be Spain.

Reptilikus

October 2nd, 2006, 04:00 PM

Rausa

October 2nd, 2006, 05:16 PM

Enough of joint bids, just let the proper footballing nations hold the European Championships, and the next one should be Spain.

Please, describe what a "proper football nation" is. Is it all about population or history? Imo Sweden, Denmark and Norway are all "proper football nations", all have alot of football passion/history.

I see nothing bad with joint bids if the nations hosting it have infrastructure and stadiums good enough.

cphdude

October 5th, 2006, 05:16 PM

^^The problem is that FIFA or UEFA or whoever it is, does. When the nordic bid was announced we became the laugh of the town and it would have been horrible. I agree that maybe a joint bid with Denmark and Sweden would be great, but at the moments it is just not in the cards...And there are big problems with it. Why should people in one country pay for something that takes place in another country. Should the country that hosts the final pay more. Who gets to be the leader? Not to mention whos rules do we use...All a major headege...

So far every studdy ever made had focused on a joint hosting with sweden or a nordic bid. I would personaly like to see a serious studdy into the cost and benifits of a single country bid. What exactly would it cost, what would we get out of it, and how does it tie in with the other things already planed, if Denmark decided to try and present a bid. And what could the facileties be used for after the euro.

Some clubsstadiums would only need a small bust and must of the extra seeting could be temperary. Though I imagen both Odense, Århus and Aalborg would probably be happy staying with an extended stadium of 31.000, Both for football and for other things. And I know brøndby would have no problem keeping their stadium at 40.000. For the really big games against FCK or eurocup games they could fill that...

The real dipper would be the cost of infrastructure, but as always there are many project that are just waiting to be build and we could use this as a chance to do some of that. At the moment Copenhagen is about to build more Metro, the bussiest highways is being expanded and the tracks and signals of the entire train system is about to be renovated over the next 5-10 years. So there is already a lot of projects being planed...

cphdude

November 6th, 2006, 02:23 AM

^^

...and since when is Brøndby not a part of Copenhagen?

I should of couse explain that a little better. I didnt mean to diss brøndby, only to suggest a way of getting around the UEFA rule.

It think It would be unfair to have three out of four EURO stadiums in and near Copenhagen.
Then it wouldn't be a joint Denmark - Sweden bit, but a Copenhagen - Sweden bit.
I know that FIFA doesn't accept that a city has more than 2 host stadiums, and I think that UEFA feels the same.

Right, that is the rule. However I read that France bypassed that rule with one of their stadiums in the world cup in 1998. It was located in paris, though a subberb and they used that name and apparently that was okay. That is what I sugested with brøndby.

The other problem is worse, but I dont really see what can be done about it. The big stadiums are in the Copenhagen area an if they, as there has been talks about, decides to build a new national stadium, that will also be in the capital area. So if we are planing a cross country bid, that is simply what we will have to accept and one of the many reasons why I hate cross country bids.

The good news is that both kolding, Horsens and Århus are planing new arenas/stadiums with 35-40000 capasity, though lower for football, but if you could put even 30.000 into them (asuming they all get build) the overall problem is close to being solved...

Parken is going to be expanded, when they put the old D-tribune down and replace it. I going to happen and will be done by 2008, so time isn't a problem here. But it only gives Parken 500 more seats, so there isn't any big cap. change.

Well, lets hope so. They pulled out of the 2009 uefa cup final hosting, because they warent sure they would be ready due to problems with the city.

Kobo

June 23rd, 2007, 04:15 AM

I hadn't seen this posted anywhere so apologies if it has.
Obviously some of these stadiums need renovations or are too small or may not get selected at all, but it gives you an idea of the countires that have mentioned an interest so far.

NORWAY & SWEDEN (JOINT BID)

Sweden. Gothenburg, Ullevi Stadium: 43,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/sweden/goteborg_nye_ullevi1.jpg

Sweden. Solna, National Stadium: 50,000. Built by 2010.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/solna_rasunda1.jpg

Sweden. Malmo, Nya Malmo Stadion: 24,000. Built by 2009.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/malmo_nya_stadion2.jpg

Sweden. Helsingborg, Olympia Stadion: 16,673. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/sweden/helsingborg_olympia1.jpg

Sweden. Boras, Boras Arena: 16,894. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/sweden/boras_arena1.jpg

Norway. Oslo, Ullevaal Stadion: 25,572. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/norway/oslo_ullevaal2.jpg

Norway. Trondheim, Lerkendal Stadion: 21,166. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/norway/trondheim_lerkendal1.jpg

Norway. Bergen, Bran Stadion: 21,000. Redeveloped by 2008.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/norway/bergen_brann1.jpg

Norway. Stavanger, Viking Stadion: 16,400. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/norway/stavanger_viking1.jpg

SCOTLAND & WALES (JOINT BID)

Scotland. Glasgow, Hapden Park: 50,670. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/scotland/glasgow_hampden2.jpg

Scotland. Glasgow, Celtic Park: 60,506. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/scotland/glasgow_celtic1.jpg

Scotland. Edinburgh, Muryfield: 67,500. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/scotland/edinburgh_murrayfield2.jpg

Scotland. Edinburgh, Tynecastle: 40,000. Built by ?
http://www.stadiumguide.com/tynecastlenew1.jpg

Scotland. Aberdeen, Pittodrie Park: 22,200. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/scotland/aberdeen_pittodrie1.jpg

Scotland. Dundee, Tannadice Park: 14,200. Already built.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/tannadice1.jpg

Wales. Cardiff, Millennium Stadium: 74,500. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/wales/cardiff_millennium2.jpg

Wales. Cardiff, St David's Stadium: 27,000. Built by 2008.
http://www.cardiffcityfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/39/dc/0,,10335~2939961,00.jpg

Wales. Swansea, Liberty Stadium: 20,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/wales/swansea_stadium1.jpg

Wales. Wrexham, Racecourse Ground: 15,891. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/wales/wrexham_racecourse1.jpg

FRANCE

Saint Denis. Stade de France: 79,959. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/ile_de_france/saint_denis1.jpg

Marseille. Noveau Stade Velodrome: 80,000. Redeveloped by ?
http://www.stadiumguide.com/marseillenew3.jpg

Nice. Nouveau Stade du Ray: 32,000. Built by 2008.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/nice_nouveau_ray2.jpg

Lille. Stade Grimonprez-Jooris II: 33,300. Built by 2010.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/grimonprez21.jpg

Clermont. Stade Gabriel Montpied: 30,100. Built by ?
http://www.stadiumguide.com/clermont2.jpg

Lens. Stade Felix Bollaert: 41,810. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/nord_pas_de_calais/lens_bollaert2.jpg

Paris. Parc de Princes: 48,712. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/ile_de_france/paris_princes1.jpg

Lyon. Stade de Gerland: 41,044. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/rhone_alpes/lyon_gerland1.jpg

Nantes. Stade de la Beaujoire: 38,285. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/pays_de_la_loire/nantes_beaujoire1.jpg

Toulouse. Stade Municipal: 36,550. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/midi_pyrenees/toulouse_municipal2.jpg

Montpellier. Stade de la Mosson: 35,500. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/languedoc_roussillion/montpellier_mosson1.jpg

Bordeaux. Stade Chaban-Delmas: 34,462. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/aquitaine/bordeaux_delmas1.jpg

Kobo

June 23rd, 2007, 04:26 AM

Unfortunatley some of the images have not shown up after appearing in the preview thread (bloody internet). But you can see them at www.stadiumguide.com website and then click on the future stadiums option.

VelesHomais

June 23rd, 2007, 07:35 AM

2016: Ukraine and Romania

MasEl

June 23rd, 2007, 08:19 AM

^^ No way

2016: Poland and Belarus or Poland and Russia (Kaliningrad Oblast) :lol:

But seriously...My vote goes to Sweden and Norway. The 2012 Olympic Games will be held in London...I think it's enough for whole Great Britain for about..mhm..20 years ?? ;)

VelesHomais

June 23rd, 2007, 08:30 AM

Ukrainian oligarchs already bribed all the necessary officials, so every Euro will be with a new neighbor :)

Anyway, I want Scotland to get it

cinosanap

June 23rd, 2007, 02:51 PM

I think it is sometimes necessary to have multiple countries hosting it as, otherwise, only the largest nations can host these events so there is a lack of variety.

Obviously I want Scotland to get it. :)

Komandant MarkC

June 23rd, 2007, 02:52 PM

2016: Croatia & Serbia

This time, let the professionals handle it:yes:

z00ey

June 23rd, 2007, 03:00 PM

2016: Croatia & Serbia

This time, let the professionals handle it:yes:

I just wanted to post this an hour ago - if not 2016 (as it's east europe 2012) then in 2020 for sure...

Also, there's a possible triple play that could not be dissmised - Croatia, Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina... whoa blam!!!

www.sercan.de

June 23rd, 2007, 03:43 PM

there were rumours for Turkey 2016
But after 2012 POL&UKR (east europe) and Frances (west europe and 1st big country after euro 96 in england) bid for 2016 it looks like Turkey won't bid

El Vampiro Ucraniano

June 23rd, 2007, 03:52 PM

You know i seriously doubt a joint bid beeing chosen for 2016 as both 2008 and 2012 are joined, so my vote goes to France, however i would like to see Euro in the Balkans, many of those nations have decent national leagues and good natonal teams.

Vilak

June 23rd, 2007, 04:45 PM

Don't forget that Lyon will have a 50/60K retractable roof new stadium.
Lille project is not 33.300 but also 50k five star stadium.

France won't have serious competition unless germany, england, spain or italia enter the bid.

Komandant MarkC

June 23rd, 2007, 04:58 PM

Another thing is, if Russia doesn't win the right to host Winter Olympics 2014 (Sochi) , it could be awarded the EURO 2016.

With the current stadium boom over there and the present economy/finances of Russian clubs & football association, it wouldn't be too hard for Russia to host it:yes:

canarywondergod

June 23rd, 2007, 05:00 PM

you missed off ibrox (51,000 and a uefa 5* rating) from the scotland bid and both the hibbs and hearts grounds (hearts with easy expansion that could take it to around 25,000) which are both bigger than the dundee ground

www.sercan.de

June 23rd, 2007, 05:05 PM

VelesHomais

June 23rd, 2007, 05:12 PM

Can Scotland host it by itself?

Vilak

June 23rd, 2007, 05:13 PM

any pics of Lille and Lyon?
i thought Lyon wants a 75000 arena?

No pix yet.

About Lyon, a lot of things changed with years
First Lyon boss wanted a 70k stadium.
The first serious project was a 60/65K open stadium
And now the project which seems definitive is to have a 50/60K retractable roof arena.

Kobo

June 23rd, 2007, 05:16 PM

Here are some further bids that might happen. Again some of these stadiums need renovations or are to small for the minimum 30,000 seat capacity or may not get selected at all.

BULGARIA & ROMANIA (JOINT BID)

Bulgaria. Sofia, Vassil Levski Stadion: 43,384. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/bulgaria/sofia_vassil_levski2.jpg

Bulgaria. Sofia, Bulgarska Armiya: Capacity ?. Built by 2009.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/cskanew1.jpg

Bulgaria. Varna, Ticha Stadium: 30,000. Built by ?.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/tichanew3.jpg

Bulgaria. Plovdiv, Plovdiv Stadion: 48,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/bulgaria/plovdiv_stadium.jpg

Bulgaria. Vratza, Hristo Botev Stadion: 32,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/bulgaria/vratza_botev.jpg

Romainia. Bucharest, Stadionul Lia Manoliu: 53,000. Redevelpoed by 2009.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/romania/bucarest_national2.jpg

Romainia. Craiova, Stadionul Lon Oblemenco: 27,915. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/romania/craiova_oblemenco.jpg

Romainia. Medgidia, Stadionul Municipal: 32,700. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/romania/medgidia_municipal.jpg

Romainia. Timisoara, Stadionul Dan Paltinisanu: 32,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/romania/timisoara_paltinisanu.jpg

GREECE

Athens, Votanikos Areana: 40,000. Built by 2008.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/athens_panathinaikos1.jpg

Athens, A.E.K Areana: 30,000. Built by 2010.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/athens_goumas.jpg

Athens, Olympic Stadium: 74,443. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_spiros_louis2.jpg

Pireas, Karaiskaki Stadium: 33,343. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/piraes_karaiskakis1.jpg

Thessaloniki, Kaftanzoglio Stadium: 28,028. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/thessaloniki_kaftanzoglio1.jpg

Iraklio, Pankritio Stadium: 26,400. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/heraklion_pankritiko.jpg

Larisa, AEL Areana: 21,000. Built by 2007.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/larisa_arena1.jpg

Patras, Panpeloponisiako Stadium: 23,588. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/patras_panpel.jpg

Volos, Panthessaliko Stadium: 22,700. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/volos_panthessalian.jpg

TURKEY

Istanbul, Ataturk Stadium: 81,653. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ataturk1.jpg

Istanbul, Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saracoglu Stadi: 50,530. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_fenerbahce1.jpg

Istanbul, New Ali Sami Yen: 41,000. Built by 2008.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/alisamiyennew3.jpg

Kayseri, Kayseri Stadion: 30,000. Built ?.
http://www.stadiumguide.com/kayserinew1.jpg

Ankara, 19 Mayis Stadi: 21,250. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/central_anatolia/ankara_19_mayis1.jpg

Izmir, Izmir Atatürk Stadi: 63,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/aegean/izmir_ataturk.jpg

Trabzon, Hüseyin Avni Aker Stadi: 21,000. Already bult.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/black_sea/trabzon_avni_aker1.jpg

Bursa, Bursa Atatürk Stadi: 19,700. Already bult.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/bursa_ataturk1.jpg

Denizli, Denizli Atatürk Stadi: 15,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/aegean/denizli_ataturk.jpg

Gaziantep, Kamil Ocak Stadi: 19,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/southern_east_anatolia/gaziantep_kamil_ocak.jpg

RUSSIA

Moscow, Olimpiyskiy Kompleks Luzhniki Stadion: 84,745. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/moscow_luzniki2.jpg

Moscow, Stadion Spartak: 35,000. Built by 2009.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/moscow_spartak1.jpg

St Petersburg, Zenit Stadium: 62,167. Built by 2009.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/st_peterburg_zenit1.jpg

Samara, Metallurg Stadion: 35,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/samara_metallurg.jpg

Rostov-na-Donu, SKA SKVO Stadion: 33,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/rostov_donu_ska.jpg

Kemerovo, Khimik Stadion: 33,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/kemerovo_khimik.jpg

Vladikavkaz, Republikan Spartak Stadion: 32,500. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/vladikavkas_spartak.jpg

Volgograd, Tsentralnyi Stadion: 32,100. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/volgograd_tsentralnyi.jpg

Voronezh, Tsentralnyi Profsoyuz Stadion: 31,700. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/voronezh_profsoyuz.jpg

Astrakhan, Tsentralnyi Stadion: 30,500. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/astrakhan_tsentralnyi.jpg

ISRAEL

Haifa, Haifa Stadium: 30,000. Built by 2009.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/haifa_stadium.jpg

Netanya, Netanya Stadium :24,000. Built by 2008.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/netanya_stadium.jpg

Ramat-Gan, Ramat-Gan Stadium: 41,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/israel/ramat_gan.jpg

Jerusalem, Teddi Malha Stadium: 21,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/israel/jerusalem_teddi1.jpg

Tel-Aviv, Bloomfield Stadium: 15,700. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/israel/tel_aviv_bloomfield1.jpg

Rishon-Letsion, Superland Stadium:15,000. Already built.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/israel/rishon_letsion_stadium.jpg

For the images that might not show go to www.stadiumguide.com and click on the appropriate country or on future stadiums. KOBO.

www.sercan.de

June 23rd, 2007, 05:36 PM

some for turkey are wrong

-Istanbul, Atatürk Olimpiyat 75.486 (possible expansionto 94.000-118.000)

-Istanbul, New Galatasaray Stadium +52.500 (2010)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1700/seyrantepestadi02so3.jpg

- Istanbul, Sükrü Saracoglu, 52.530

-Istanbul, Besiktas, 36.000 (proposed)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5267/bjk57wp.jpg

- Kayseri, Kadir Hasir, 32.864, Dec. 2007
http://www.lamglas.com.tr/Editor/assets/std1.jpg

-Bursa, 33.000-40.000, still not clear
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/710/akinalanstad21qt5nr0.jpg
or
http://medya.zaman.com.tr/2007/06/13/bursa.jpg

-Trabzon, 28.000-33.000
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3662/tsstadsc5.jpg

-Denizli, 30.000 (proposed)

-Konya, 35.000 (proposed)

-Ankara, 33.000 (proposed)
http://www.ankarahaber.com/pictures/1176902442.jpg

-Antalya, 30.000 (proposed)

-Izmir, 50.000 (was proposed in the EURO 2012 bid)

matherto

June 23rd, 2007, 05:36 PM

You'd have to say that the majority of stadiums here wouldn't be used

MasEl

June 23rd, 2007, 05:40 PM

cinosanap

June 23rd, 2007, 05:52 PM

Can Scotland host it by itself?

Yes, we could, but it would be pointless.
We would have a few stadiums that are oo large for the clubs that play in them as UEFA would probably not want 3 stadiums in Glasgow (stupid).

MasEl

June 23rd, 2007, 05:56 PM

CarlosBlueDragon

June 23rd, 2007, 05:59 PM

Euro 2000 : Belgium + Netherlands
Euro 2004 : Portugal
Euro 2008 : Austria + Switzerland
Euro 2012 : Poland + Ukraine
Euro 2016 : Italy or Russia or Turkey or Hungary + Czech Rep or Greece or Spain or Romaina + Bulgaria?? I think choose Spain or Greece!! hehe :D

Kobo

June 23rd, 2007, 05:59 PM

krzysiu_

June 23rd, 2007, 06:07 PM

France !

www.sercan.de

June 23rd, 2007, 07:12 PM

Istanbul won't bid for 2016
Maybe 2020. But as i said, looks like Turkish Football Federation do not believe to get 2016 (after 2012 went to eastern europe country POL&UKR and Frances bid for 2016).

So, IMO they want to have 2020. But on the other hand i do not believe that UEFA would give 2020 to Turkey, if the 2020 Olympics would held up in istanbul.
Yeah, i know, its IOC and UEFA, but i don't believe, that they would give 2 big organisations to Turkey in the same year.

As MasEl said, stadiums aren't the problem. The rest is more important.
Looks like the Kayseri and Bursa stadium can be expandend in 10-15 years for example. The same you can say about the Istanbulian stadiums.

EURO should't be such a big problem for Turkey.
Highspeedrailway lines, highways, Hotels etc..everything is u/c or finished

Boards

June 23rd, 2007, 09:15 PM

My money would be on France or Italy.

z00ey

June 24th, 2007, 01:09 PM

What I can say for sure after 18.IV.2007 ;) is that current stadiums infrastructure doesn't count when it comes to choose a winning bid. What's more important: potential to improve infrastructure condition, enthusiasm for football, even population and economic strength (more people with money -> more fans able to buy a ticket) and last but not least - Russian mafia if Russia will join the competition :lol:

nope, this was the LAST winning bid ever that had no stadium infrastructure... from now on UEFA will first ask for the majority of the stadium infrastructure, otherwise the nations will not even qualify into the final bid.

this will of course give enormous advantage to west and north europe, but although i'm croatian i think it is prudent and wise...

about the majority of stadia in eastern europe (especially romania bulgaria and russia) - the facilities are STADIUMS (olympic/athletic), not ARENAS. The same goes for a lot of turkish and greek stadia.

This is definitely a great disadvantage, as there usually is no easy way to adapt: you'd have to dig the pitch down and use existing tribines as upper tier, but that usually destroys the visure lines. Also the distance from the north and south semicircle tribines to the football pitch is vaste.

ie the zagreb stadium will mostly be redesigned, with major tribines torn down and new tribines erected.

i can frankly state that most of the mentioned stadia are actually just waste for any serious euro bid - not only that it's more expensive (cause of demolition works prior to building), but is usually seen as great public expense. the public will more easily allow money for a brand new arena than a tearing down of an old stadia...

eomer

June 24th, 2007, 01:20 PM

France won't have serious competition unless germany, england, spain or italia enter the bid.
1- No way for France.
France already hosted WC 1998. I think that there are 5 European countries that can host a WC alone: France, Italy, Spain, England, Germany. They should let Euro to smaller countries like Belgium-Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland-Austria, Poland-Ukraine...

2- No way for Sweden that allready hosted Euro 1992: Norway should bid with Denmark instead of Sweden.

3- Scotland-Wales looks good. But I think that Scotland, Wales and Ireland will host Rugby World Cup in 2015 (I assume that England will host WC 2018 and will not bid for RWC 2015). A UK bid for WC 2018 could be more interesting for both Scotland and Wales.

4- Why not a Greece-Turkey bid ?

www.sercan.de

June 24th, 2007, 01:48 PM

nope, this was the LAST winning bid ever that had no stadium infrastructure... from now on UEFA will first ask for the majority of the stadium infrastructure, otherwise the nations will not even qualify into the final bid.

Do you have an article for that?

IMO Turkey can host a Euro alone.
After 2008 disaster i do not believe to a GRE/TUR bid.

IMO 2016 will go to France.
-1st EURO in a "big" country after EURO 96 in England.
-2008 Western Eruope, 2012 eastern Europe POL/UKR, so IMO 2016 again Western Europe
-After 2004 again a tournament in 1 country

2018 WC will go to England

benek_gda

June 24th, 2007, 02:05 PM

But lots of these stadiums that you are showing us here, are useless for Euro because of their capiacty;] It should be for 35.000 at least, or something like that.

Kobo

June 24th, 2007, 03:27 PM

But lots of these stadiums that you are showing us here, are useless for Euro because of their capiacty;] It should be for 35.000 at least, or something like that.

Yeah I know quite a lot of them are too small. Some countires are building new stadiums like France, Russia and Sweden. But you would assume that any bidding country would put forward the 30,000 minimum size stadium.

I personally feel that the Euro 2016 will be in the West of Europe. Would have thought France to be favouites. However I am impressed with both the Greek and Turkish Stadiums built and planned. I am not sure if Italy will bid again after their defeat for 2012. Anybody know anything about this?

With the Scottish / Welsh bid it does look very strong. But its going to be a tricky one, as there are a lot of sporting tournaments either happening in UK, or the UK is considering to bid for in the next decade or so:

England Twenty20 cricket world championships 2009. Confirmed host.
London 2012 Olympics. Confirmed host.
Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth games. Competing against Abuja to host.
Scotland 2015 Rugby World Cup. Considering bid.
Scotland & Wales Euro 2016. Considering bid.
England 2018 World Cup. Considering bid.
England 2019 Cricket World Cup. Confirmed host.

michał_

June 24th, 2007, 03:28 PM

I would most hope for it to go to Turkey (definatelly!), but after what Sercan said I sadly hand it over to the Balkans :)

If not: Russia's bid will look very strong with the stadium boom starting (although after Pol&Ukr) they won't be to hopeful I guess.

So that leaves us with western Europe. I just hope France won't get it!!! That's why I'd say my beloved Scotland will have it :) Someone mentionned their candidacy bfore, but forgot completely about Murrayfield- now don' tell me it cannot host an event like that!

Qatar Son 333

June 24th, 2007, 04:39 PM

i dont think any european city could host the olympics at 2016 since london will host it on 2012 so sorry if you dont get it

www.sercan.de

June 24th, 2007, 05:36 PM

its about EURO

MasEl

June 24th, 2007, 07:02 PM

VelesHomais

June 24th, 2007, 07:18 PM

Ukraine is the largest European country, not that small :)

eomer

June 24th, 2007, 07:22 PM

Ukraine is the largest European country, not that small :)
You are right: the shame on me.

bumdingo

June 25th, 2007, 08:15 AM

Combining this thread with the best stadium infrastructure surely Turkey has the worst considering population and love of football/soccer. One decent football stadium, Sukru Saracoglu. Surprised Turkey could stage their own league never mind a Euro Championships

www.sercan.de

June 25th, 2007, 11:14 AM

So we hope that all projects will be built :D

gincan

June 25th, 2007, 01:32 PM

CarlosBlueDragon

June 25th, 2007, 04:50 PM

1- No way for France.
France already hosted WC 1998. I think that there are 5 European countries that can host a WC alone: France, Italy, Spain, England, Germany. They should let Euro to smaller countries like Belgium-Netherlands, Portugal, Switzerland-Austria, Poland-Ukraine...

2- No way for Sweden that allready hosted Euro 1992: Norway should bid with Denmark instead of Sweden.

3- Scotland-Wales looks good. But I think that Scotland, Wales and Ireland will host Rugby World Cup in 2015 (I assume that England will host WC 2018 and will not bid for RWC 2015). A UK bid for WC 2018 could be more interesting for both Scotland and Wales.

4- Why not a Greece-Turkey bid ?

YES see!!
I think so ok...
I want vote : Euro 2016 = Scotland + Northern Ireland + Wales + England(1996 hosted but want one again) :lol:

4 country for hosts!!
ASIAN 2007
Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia!!
if...look like Euro 2016
England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland of united kingdom!! :D

cphdude

June 25th, 2007, 10:48 PM

2- No way for Sweden that allready hosted Euro 1992: Norway should bid with Denmark instead of Sweden.

Highly unlikely. Denmark has 1 or maybe 1 stadiums that could be used and as you can see Norway has none...So no i dont really buy the idea.

CharlieP

June 26th, 2007, 01:32 PM

Denmark has 1 or maybe 1 stadiums that could be used

Well, which is it?

bumdingo

June 26th, 2007, 01:58 PM

European championships should be done like this: England, Germany, France, England, Germany, Italy, England, Germany, Spain, England, Germany, Holland/Belgium, England, Germany, Russia/Estonia/Latvia, England, Germany, and so on. That way we get 2 decent tournaments in decent stadiums every 12 years. Simple

legslikeaspider

June 26th, 2007, 02:55 PM

growingup

June 26th, 2007, 03:10 PM

My vote goes to either Spain, Italy or Turkey. Spain has the edge of stadia and infrastructure, but Italy and Turkey are more passionate soccer nations. However they need to build a lot of infrastructure (especially Turkey) and their stadias are way behind (will be even more by 2016 if nothing is done) the spanish ones.

Isn't Spain as passionate as Italy or Turkey when it comes to soccer?. Then you don't know how much importance is given to the LFP (Spain's Premiere League or "La Liga") in the media. On weekends, in Spain, football matches gather thousands of people in stadiums all around the country. So I wouldn't say Spain isn't passionate about football.

European championships should be done like this: England, Germany, France, England, Germany, Italy, England, Germany, Spain, England, Germany, Holland/Belgium, England, Germany, Russia/Estonia/Latvia, England, Germany, and so on. That way we get 2 decent tournaments in decent stadiums every 12 years. Simple

I find this completely pointless. Following your idea, why don't just England and Germany host the EuroCup?. The answer is quite simple, first of all, England and Germany aren't the only ones who have good stadiums, as so do France, Italy and Spain; and secondly, as it is an european cup, every country, should have the same opportunities to organize one tournament, taking in consideration its limitations. EuroCup is also a good way to improve the quality of the stadiums or crate new ones to improve the overall quality of them.

bumdingo

June 26th, 2007, 03:35 PM

JamesWales

June 26th, 2007, 04:16 PM

Well bumdingo's idea is an utter non-starter. For a start it is completely unjust to have every other tournament in either England or Germany and secondly, how are other footballing nations to improve their grounds without the carrot of hosting a large tournament hanging over them. Thirdly other countries have stadia equally as good as England and Germany.

I'm sure a formula could be worked out for this:

Modern economy IMPORTANT
High population IMPORTANT
good stadia/funding to achieve good stadia VERY IMPORTANT
good transport infrastructure VERY IMPORTANT
History of hosting semi-large events IMPORTANT
Not having hosted a tournament recently IMPORTANT

The last two factors are seemingly contradictory, but are important factors to consider. ie, looking at the Wales/Scotland bid. Both countries have experience in hosting large events; FA Cup finals, Scottish cup finals, International matches, Uefa/Champions league finals, 6 Nations rugby, Rugby world cup etc, but neither have hosted a major international football tournament before. Therefore the perfect combination of experience and offering the opportunity to take the tournament somewhere new.

bumdingo

June 26th, 2007, 04:55 PM

growingup

June 26th, 2007, 05:05 PM

Not sure giving someone the right to host a Euro Championships means their stadiums will suddenly improve. You seemed to have missed out planning permission, funding, getting most of southern europes builders to not nap between midday and 5pm, infrastructure etc. I also don't hold with the fact Italy, France and to a certain extent Spains stadiums are as good as they think they are. I will agree though that the Portugese stadiums are probably the best you'll find in a "second tier" Euro country.

Well, you seemed to have missed out the fact that since a country/region/city becomes choosen to host a major event, it has around 5-6 years to develop, build or complete its facilities. Let's take for example The Summer Olympic Games. In June-July 2006, London was awarded to host 2012 Summer Olympic Games. Not a lot of the stadiums and arenas, I would say most of them, included in the British project are already built; and London 2012 was a very interesting project since it was planned to recover and vastly improve some areas of London. So, I believe 6 years it's enough time for any country in europe to succeed organizing such events, and what's more, the great effort put on developing these plans in any country which has been choosen makes carrying out them a lot easier and faster than usually.
You have lost a lot of credit when you said "getting most of southern europes builders to not nap between midday and 5pm". Since I associate "nap" with Spain, I think you must haven't heard about Madrid Metro Expansion (80Km in 4 years; many cities in EU or USA will need decades to do that.), Madrid Calle 30 works (completely built in 4 years and considered by Discovery Channel a "Megabuilder"), the fast expension of motorways, freeways (Spain has already the largest network) and high speed lines for trains all around Southern-Europe (TAV, AVE and TGV). So, those are good examples to demonstrate Southern-Europe is as qualified as England or Germany to host these events.

JamesWales

June 26th, 2007, 06:05 PM

Which countries in Europe have stadiums asgood as in England and Germany? This is a fair question & I will answer with no silliness attatched to it. Many of Europes other major nations have very "tired" facilities. I'm talking Nou Camp, San Siro, Mastaella, Vincente Calderon, Alpi, Velodrome, Parc de Princes etc etc. As it stands and not in 5 years time when some shiny new stadiums appear England and Germanys are streets ahead. Just because some of these stadiums have large capacities ie Nou Camp it no longer makes them worthy of top tier status. If we went on your beliefs Milton Keynes Bowl would 1 of Europes premier venues

Scotland/Wales: Mill stad,liberty, new ccfc, increased wrexham, Hampden, Iborx, celtic park, increased aberdeen/hearts/hibs

Portugal: Proven

Holland/Belgium: Proven

Switzerland/Austria: Proven next year

France: All France '98 stadiums are perfectly adequate. Yes slightly older than England/germany stadiums. Yes less roofs etc, but this is an environmental factor. For minimal costs France could easily host the Euros.

Spain: Nou camp, Mestella (are you serious saying they are not good enough!!??) Beunabau, Seville athletics stadium, Betis, Barcelona Olympic stadium, new planned Bilbao stadium, Las Palmas, Depo La Coruna....

Italy: Would need substantial but affordable investment to upgrade stadia

Russia/Poland/Ukraine etc etc etc. Could comfortably host the championships in the future as stadia develop and evolve (there are already many plans for new stadia in these countries

Turkey: Many large stadiums. Outside of Istanbul would need investment.

I'm not saying England & Germany dont have terrific stadia (especially Germany with all that terracing) but it's madness to suggest that they should host two thirds of all championships between them.

Lostboy

June 26th, 2007, 06:10 PM

The reason Europe is prosperous and peaceful today is because of Germanic Countries. Hosting Football Tournaments is pretty minor league compared to that gift.

MasonicStage™

June 26th, 2007, 06:21 PM

2016: Croatia & Serbia

This time, let the professionals handle it:yes:

YES! I'm still angry Croatia lost this organization in 2012, but 2016 must be in Croatia and some other neighbour country! ;) So...Croatia & Serbia, Croatia & BiH, and Croatia & Slovenia....one of these 3 must win. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Bahnsteig4

June 27th, 2007, 12:24 AM

I doubt that any of the "bigger" nations (except FRA or GER) would be interested in the EURO, since they all could host a WC. A EURO would definitely reduce their chances for a WC bid, so I wouldn't put my money on ENG or ESP and perhaps even ITA.

cphdude

June 27th, 2007, 03:51 AM

Well, which is it?

Hmmm....1...I think....:)

Komandant MarkD

June 27th, 2007, 03:53 AM

YES! I'm still angry Croatia lost this organization in 2012, but 2016 must be in Croatia and some other neighbour country! ;) So...Croatia & Serbia, Croatia & BiH, and Croatia & Slovenia....one of these 3 must win. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

CRO/BIH/SRB maybe?

Stadiums in Zagreb, Split, Rijeka, Osijek, Sarajevo, Banja Luka, Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis and Kragujevac?

El Vampiro Ucraniano

June 27th, 2007, 02:38 PM

^^ I think that it would be good, and those countries could menage it, however the leagues of those countries need a bit bigger boost, because the only known clubs are, Hajduk, Dinamo Zagreb, Crvena Zvezda and Partizan.

MasonicStage™

June 27th, 2007, 03:03 PM

CRO/BIH/SRB maybe?

Stadiums in Zagreb, Split, Rijeka, Osijek, Sarajevo, Banja Luka, Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis and Kragujevac?

Perfect! :applause:
I think that would be good even from the politic side coz it would be nice to start a new future of our countries rather than to live in a some kind of hate and bad relation like now. :)

cinosanap

June 27th, 2007, 04:55 PM

3 automatic qualification spots. No chance.

MasonicStage™

June 27th, 2007, 05:16 PM

3 automatic qualification spots. No chance.

hm...yes, you're right! ...:nuts:

Mekky II

June 27th, 2007, 07:21 PM

Paris
80.000
60.000

Marseille
80.000

Lyon :
70.000

Lille
60.000

Lens
50.000

Bordeaux
50.000

Toulouse
50.000

Rennes
40.000

Nantes
40.000

Saint-Etienne
35.000

Nice
35.000

Alle

June 28th, 2007, 04:03 PM

When it comes to Sweden/norway i want to elucidate that the olympia stadium in Helsingborg will be rebuilt/a new stadium will be built with a capacity of ~22 000.

Also the new stadium in Göteborg is a poteital candidate with ~20 000, as well as Hammarby's new söderstadion at 20 000 - 30 000.

About new ullevi it totally maximus extremius recordius unbelivius suxorcius! For football that it, what does a 45000 capacity matter if only 30 000 have a decent view.

Anyhow i think it depend on what happens with scandinavian football footballwise the next decade. The swedish league is expanded next season and lots of new stadiums coming up. I can imagine a bit better chances to compete in Europe, but we'l se. Also the taxes here are very high which is not beneficial. Read more about swedish stadiumdevelopement here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=393626

Komandant MarkD

June 29th, 2007, 12:08 AM

hm...yes, you're right! ...:nuts:

Who's right? Don't listen to him:D

Austria & Switzerland....hosts of EURO 2008.

Lets take a look at their footballing "history":lol:

Austria
European Championship record
1960 to 2004 - Did not qualify
2008 - Qualified automatically as co-host

Switzerland
European Championship record
1960 to 1992 - Did not qualify
1996 - Round 1
2000 - Did not qualify
2004 - Round 1
2008 - Qualified automatically as co-host

If these two states can get two spots at the EURO, surely then countries like Bosnia, Croatia & Serbia could as well:D

krudmonk

June 29th, 2007, 04:58 AM

This thread makes me glad I live in a country that doesn't place such an emphasis on track and field...

EllasOle

June 30th, 2007, 03:55 AM

With proper organization Greece would probably be considered as one of the favorites. Unfortunately our football association is run by morons. :bash: :bash: :ohno: :ohno:

z00ey

July 1st, 2007, 11:14 PM

3 automatic qualification spots. No chance.

naah, we croatians, and methinks serbs too, don't need the automatic qualification spot :)

we both kick butt in quali anyway :banana:

CRO/BiH/SRB it must be, 2020 most likely, with BiH qualifiying automatically, CRO kicking Germany and Italy out in quali, and SRB kicking Spain and Netherlands in quali...

finals: CRO vs SRB, 3:2 in Belgrade !!! whoaaa CRO in your face

now, this is just a proposition, I'd allow people to have other opinions of course ;) /no flame intended, just having innocent fun/

skaP187

July 2nd, 2007, 12:59 AM

Holland could do it on it´s own by then maybe. If roumers become reality...
This list is all roumer based.:D
Feyenoord 75 000
Ajax 65 000
PSV 35 000 *
SC Heerenveen 35/ 40 000
FC Twente 36 000
AZ Alkmaar 36 000
FC Groningen 34 000
Vitesse Arnhem 30 000 *

* Allready excisting are realy easely confertable.

MoreOrLess

July 2nd, 2007, 01:09 PM

Demetrius

July 2nd, 2007, 01:57 PM

With proper organization Greece would probably be considered as one of the favorites. Unfortunately our football association is run by morons. :bash: :bash: :ohno: :ohno:

There, you said it all quite fairly in just 2 lines...So damn right...If only we could have someone really capable at our F.A. we could even surpass Portugal (which IMO was a great tournament in some of the finest stadia ever....).

ChrisDVD

July 2nd, 2007, 02:56 PM

France should host it.... they already have big stadiums! but they should built a new one in Paris, like a 100k one. :D

masterpaul

July 3rd, 2007, 03:41 PM

The Totally Expected Bid:

Greece

(Athens Alone will have 4 modern stadiums... Olympic. Votanikos, Karaskakis, Aek Arena)

The Totally Unexpected Bid:

Greece and Turkey

www.sercan.de

July 3rd, 2007, 03:48 PM

But only max 2 stadiums/city are allowed

bumdingo

July 3rd, 2007, 04:07 PM

Paris
80.000
60.000

Marseille
80.000

Lyon :
70.000

Lille
60.000

Lens
50.000

Bordeaux
50.000

Toulouse
50.000

Rennes
40.000

Nantes
40.000

Saint-Etienne
35.000

Nice
35.000

Shows how far France lags behind the big 5 nations, Germany, England, Italy and Spain when you see that all these capacities are pie in the sky. It seems to me (and I stress me) that stadium development in particular England, Germay and Spain that capacities are with a view to the club tenant whereas in France and other nations its with a view to a World Cup or Euro Championships. Liverpool require a 70 - 80k stadium due to fan demand, Lille for instance would be solely for the tournament.

skaP187

July 6th, 2007, 09:32 AM

Shows how far France lags behind the big 5 nations, Germany, England, Italy and Spain when you see that all these capacities are pie in the sky.

Italy? Italy is a joke/mess concerning stadiums, they only have about 4 which are wurth mentioning at this moment.

Milan
Sampdoria
Palermo/ Messina
and ? (new Juventus stadium?)

Atleast France has all footballstadiums...

* keep in mind that I don´t like stadiums with runningtracks for football. Change my mind if you can. I am open for surprises.

bumdingo

July 6th, 2007, 08:09 PM

I was feeling generous when I included Italy. Italian fans get what they deserve as far as facilities go. Italian stadiums have running tracks so Italian fans can practice running away, something they tend to do when the odds start evening up.

bobo_greek

July 7th, 2007, 10:10 AM

The Totally Expected Bid:

Greece

(Athens Alone will have 4 modern stadiums... Olympic. Votanikos, Karaskakis, Aek Arena)

The Totally Unexpected Bid:

Greece and Turkey

only votanikos and aek arena will be used!!! if aek have a great season and win the title expect talks for a stadium 50,000+ seats. they already are close to having 30,000 members!!!

bumdingo

July 7th, 2007, 06:15 PM

No Greek club needs a 50k stadium. The only time the big 3 get respectable gates is derby games and European ties

www.sercan.de

December 5th, 2007, 01:21 PM

So we have till now France, Scotland&Ireland and Nordic bid?

cinosanap

December 5th, 2007, 04:20 PM

I think a Scottish/Welsh bid is more liekly than with Ireland but, who knows, nothing is concrete yet?

chilespain

December 5th, 2007, 04:35 PM

Possible candidates:

Russia
Sweden
Italy
France
Scotland-Wales

Kuvvaci

December 5th, 2007, 04:51 PM

Thanks www.sercan.de I had no idea about these new Turkish stadiums. If these were to happen and a bid put forward Turkey would be a strong candidate. However is Istanbul still putting itself forward as a future Olympic games host? Or have they given up and want to focus on other sport tournaments?

Actually Türkish bid could be like this

Istanbul Olympic stadium 81.000 alreadiy built
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9682/stad11kk0.jpg

Istanbul New Ali Sami Yen (Seyrentepe stadium) 52.500 (u/c)
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/24846/2000439560963079123_rs.jpg

Kayseri 32.000 (stadium is under construction?
http://www.lamglas.com.tr/Editor/assets/std1.jpg

Antalya 30.000 (aproved- constrution will start witht he new year)
http://www.antalyasporum.com/images/haber/2007-2008/yeni_stad_salon/stadyum.jpg

Ankara, Izmir, Bursa and Konya will have new stadiums.

Maybe Izmir can try to renovated this 60.000 k stadium wich was the vanue of Mediteranean games 1971 and Universiade 2005
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6868/zmratatrkstadyumu3ipy3.jpg

cphdude

December 5th, 2007, 11:28 PM

Possible candidates:

Russia
Sweden
Italy
France
Scotland-Wales

At the very least it will be Sweden plus another country,probably Norway. But I havent heard anything for a long time now, so I dont know what is happening with that....

Delmat

December 6th, 2007, 01:08 AM

Possible candidates:

Russia
Sweden
Italy
France
Scotland-Wales

Croatia/Hungary also

Delmat

December 6th, 2007, 01:11 AM

Croatia/Serbia would be a very strong bid image wise if it could be worked out properly.

it wouldn't be strong bid, 'cause we were in war against each other just 12 years ago
croats and serbs (lightly said) hate each other

Croatia will try to host Euro only with Hungary :cheers:

Kuvvaci

December 6th, 2007, 12:35 PM

Does Croatia want try again for sure?

Delmat

December 6th, 2007, 05:20 PM

well, I'm not sure that it is sure :D

but it's sure that if we candidate once again, we'll candidate only with Hungary

Masters At Work

December 7th, 2007, 01:11 PM

Lyon new stadium ( 2010 ): 60000 seat
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1749/14548tp1.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5076/14541hq3.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9993/14546qw3.jpg

Other Stadiums :

Paris
80.000 Stade de France
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/ile_de_france/saint_denis1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/ile_de_france/saint_denis2.jpg

55.000 ( Parc des Princes )
http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/11/68/94/95/parcfi12.gif

Marseille
80.000
http://www.stadiumguide.com/marseillenew3.jpg

Lille
50.000 (2010 ?)
http://www.stadiumguide.com/grimonprez21.jpg

Lens
42.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/nord_pas_de_calais/lens_bollaert2.jpg

Bordeaux
35.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/aquitaine/bordeaux_delmas1.jpg

Toulouse
36.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/midi_pyrenees/toulouse_municipal2.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/midi_pyrenees/toulouse_municipal1.jpg

Rennes
30.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/bretagne/rennes_lorient.jpg

Nantes
40.000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/pays_de_la_loire/nantes_beaujoire1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/pays_de_la_loire/nantes_beaujoire2.jpg

Saint-Etienne
35.000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/rhone_alpes/st_etienne_guichard1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/france/rhone_alpes/st_etienne_guichard2.jpg

Nice
35.000 (2010 ?)

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nicenew1.jpg
http://www.stadiumguide.com/nicenew2.jpg

www.sercan.de

December 10th, 2007, 06:09 PM

Sports Minister of Turkey said last week that Turkey plans to bid for the EURO 2016
To have better chance most of the stadiums will be built before 2011.

Kobo

December 10th, 2007, 09:40 PM

Sports Minister of Turkey said last week that Turkey plans to bid for the EURO 2016
To have better chance most of the stadiums will be built before 2011.

Although I would like Turkey to get a European Championship, I don't think they should bid for 2016 as its more likely going to go to a Western European country. Maybe Euro 2020 for Turkey.

Kobo

December 11th, 2007, 12:51 PM

France shall bid for Euro 2016
Here is the link: http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-7143085,00.html

www.sercan.de

December 11th, 2007, 12:53 PM

Although I would like Turkey to get a European Championship, I don't think they should bid for 2016 as its more likely going to go to a Western European country. Maybe Euro 2020 for Turkey.
Yes, as i said some post ago in this thread
I am sure that EURO 2016 will be in western big football country like France or Spain

runi

December 11th, 2007, 01:06 PM

I am sure that EURO 2016 will be in western big football country like France or Spain

France staged the Euro in 1984 and also hosted the World Cup in 1998. I think another country (such as Spain) would deserve it more :)

www.sercan.de

December 11th, 2007, 01:27 PM

France off. announced there EURO2016 bid.
Spain is still quiet

Kuvvaci

December 11th, 2007, 04:43 PM

Spain wants World Cup.

I don't think there is a rule that one torunement will be at the west one at the east. 1996 was in England, 2000 was Nederlands&Belgium, 2004 was Portugal. So, all of them were western countries.

www.sercan.de

December 11th, 2007, 04:48 PM

Kuvvaci

December 11th, 2007, 04:53 PM

do they Spain) want for EURO?

did France announce their possible bid?

masterpaul

December 11th, 2007, 05:00 PM

UEFA said that if Poland will have the extra venues ready, Euro 2012 will be expanded to 24 teams from 16, thus more stadiums will be used.

So any county hosting after 2012/2016 will need 10-12 high standard stadiums I think.

eomer

December 11th, 2007, 05:25 PM

France staged the Euro in 1984 and also hosted the World Cup in 1998. I think another country (such as Spain) would deserve it more :)
You are right: Spain 2016 (Euro) and England 2018 (WC)

www.sercan.de

December 11th, 2007, 05:52 PM

masterpaul

December 11th, 2007, 06:48 PM

Reserve venues also

Gherkin

December 11th, 2007, 07:03 PM

Why would France waste it's time bidding for the European Championships? The tournament is for smaller nations to join together and host them. France could quite easily hold a World Cup tomorrow with it's current stadia, and 1998 wasn't that long ago.

www.sercan.de

December 11th, 2007, 07:04 PM

And France already hosted EURO 1960 and EURO 1984

Kuvvaci

December 11th, 2007, 07:35 PM

Kuvvaci

December 11th, 2007, 07:37 PM

I would say 10 stadiums

16 teams = 8stadiums
24 teams = 10 stadiums
32 teams = 12 stadiums

correct

Joop20

December 11th, 2007, 08:21 PM

Reserve venues also

There's no rule that reserve venues have to be included in a bid I think? And why would reserve venues be needed, the chance of a stadium blowing up or disappearing is quite slim?

Gherkin

December 11th, 2007, 09:32 PM

current stadia? EURO is for smaller nations???

you must be funny or ignorant about this issue.

I'm sorry if I come across as ignorant, but generally the bigger European footballing nations host World Cups and the smaller ones host European Championships.

France, England, Spain, Italy, Germany (etc) are huge footballing countries that FIFA would love to give World Cups to. Smaller countries like Austria and Switzerland had no hope of being awarded a World Cup so bidded instead for the Euros. It's unlikely that Croatia, Poland, Turkey (etc) would win the rights to host a World Cup so The European Championships give them a better chance of hosting a tournament :)

Gherkin

December 11th, 2007, 09:34 PM

There's no rule that reserve venues have to be included in a bid I think? And why would reserve venues be needed, the chance of a stadium blowing up or disappearing is quite slim?

Fire or vandalism might be more of a problem. Severe weather conditions or poor pitch quality may also lead to the need for a reserve venue to be used instead.

The problem is that reserve venues are usually smaller than the main venues so inevitably some people will lose their seats.

runi

December 12th, 2007, 12:10 PM

You are right: Spain 2016 (Euro) and England 2018 (WC)

That wouldn't be a bad idea at all! :cheers:

A World Cup in England would be really nice with all those great stadia and wonderful ambiance. Also an Euro in Spain sounds very interesting! When did they last host it? :uh:

SkyLerm

December 12th, 2007, 12:44 PM

^^1964 i think.

eomer

December 12th, 2007, 01:09 PM

^^1964 i think.
1964 doesn't really count as "hosting an Euro". The first "real" Euro took place in 1980 (Italy).

Until 1976, it was a cup played during two years with KO matchs (2 games). The 4 teams qualified for semi-finals chosed themselves with UEFA whish one of them will host the 4 last games (semi-finals, bronze final, final). The 4 games were played in the same stadium.

You can say that France hosted Euro 1984 and WC 1998 when Spain hosted WC 1982 only. According to French Neewspaper "L'Equipe", Spain lost Euro 2004 because it's bid was "too perfect" (LOL) and because Spain hosted several main events very recently. UEFA wanted to give a chance to Portugal.

So, I think that Spain should bid for Euro 2016: as it is written in this thread, this one will probabilly be hosted by "only one big western European Country" (it has never happened since England 1996) and will welcome more teams (20 or even 24).
If Spain decide to bid, France and Italy won't get it: that's very easy to understand.

Quintana

December 12th, 2007, 01:25 PM

1964 doesn't really count as "hosting an Euro". The first "real" Euro took place in 1980 (Italy).

Until 1976, it was a cup played during two years with KO matchs (2 games). The 4 teams qualified for semi-finals chosed themselves with UEFA whish one of them will host the 4 last games (semi-finals, bronze final, final). The 4 games were played in the same stadium.

You can say that France hosted Euro 1984 and WC 1998 when Spain hosted WC 1982 only. According to French Neewspaper "L'Equipe", Spain lost Euro 2004 because it's bid was "too perfect" (LOL) and because Spain hosted several main events very recently. UEFA wanted to give a chance to Portugal.

So, I think that Spain should bid for Euro 2016: as it is written in this thread, this one will probabilly be hosted by "only one big western European Country" (it has never happened since England 1996) and will welcome more teams (20 or even 24).
If Spain decide to bid, France and Italy won't get it: that's very easy to understand.

I believe the real reason why Spain lost against Portugal for the hosting rights of Euro 2004 was because the Spanish FA had supported Blatter and not Johansson (like all the other major UEFA members did) in the election of the FIFA presidency.

SkyLerm

December 12th, 2007, 01:35 PM

www.sercan.de

January 9th, 2008, 11:15 PM

Today the turkish sports minister said that they want to bid for the EURO. Therefore they need 12 new stadiums (12 modern stadiums)

So maybe EURO2016 will be with 24 or 32 nations?

Tarzan

January 10th, 2008, 04:26 AM

it wouldn't be strong bid, 'cause we were in war against each other just 12 years ago
croats and serbs (lightly said) hate each other

Croatia will try to host Euro only with Hungary :cheers:
I think Croatia will get the EURO tournament only if they try to host it with Serbia or Bosnia.

If we get the tournament it will have a good impulse on the politics!

Delmat

January 10th, 2008, 10:28 PM

It might have good impact on the politics, but nations hate each other.

Croatia goes only with Hungary.

lpioe

January 11th, 2008, 05:42 PM

Stadiawise I think France and Turkey have the best chances.
Turkey has the advantage that it never hosted it but the disadvantage that many people would like to see it in Western Europe.
I think Spain would have the best chances if they decid to bid. They haven't hosted an Euro since the sixties and as eomer said it was a much smaller tournament back then.

I don't see Greece or Scotland hosting it alone with the 'only 1 city with 2 stadiums' limit.

I was pretty surprised to read the capacities of current irish stadia at Wikipedia. They might have a chance too with the help of another country (Northern Ireland and/or Wales). The problem is of course that most of the stadiums are not primarily built for football. Is there a big difference between the dimesions of a GAA and a football field?

www.sercan.de

January 11th, 2008, 05:44 PM

Kuvvaci

January 11th, 2008, 06:00 PM

Beşiktaş has no project

lorevi

January 11th, 2008, 06:40 PM

UEFA intendeds idea, it is to have stadiums of 40.000 places minimum for first round, then at least 50.000 for the semi-finals and 60.000 minimum for finale.

The possible stadiums in France are:

Paris stadium of France ( 80000 )
Paris Parc of Princes (54000)
Marseille Stade velodrome (80000)
Lyon new stadium (LG stadium?) (60/65000)
Lille new stadium (50/55000)
Strasbourg new stadium (40000)
Nantes or Rennes (40000)
Bordeaux or Toulouse (40000)
There is also a project for extension to 56000 seats in lens with a roof.

If we can host Euro 2016 I hope that this time the frenchstadiums will be really updated not as in 1998.

masterpaul

January 11th, 2008, 07:16 PM

Turkey and greece have a chance if they co-host with eachother.

It would also help with political relations between the 2 countries.

www.sercan.de

January 11th, 2008, 07:58 PM

Now thats big shit for Turkey if thats gonna happen with the +40.000 rule.
Any sources about it?

Tarzan

January 12th, 2008, 01:03 AM

It might have good impact on the politics, but nations hate each other.

Croatia goes only with Hungary.
That's not true, I don't hate anybody, maby you do, but I don't! I just love mine nation, don't hate other nations.

How hard it is, we should give it a try to get this tournament and host it with another Slavic country on the Balkans.

Ton-Tille

January 12th, 2008, 09:30 PM

It would be great if Euro 2016 would be in Sweden & Norway

SkyLerm

January 12th, 2008, 10:01 PM

Euro '92 was already in sweden...

lpioe

January 12th, 2008, 11:26 PM

Now thats big shit for Turkey if thats gonna happen with the +40.000 rule.
Any sources about it?

I don't believe it, it would rule out all of the current contenders except France maybe.

VelesHomais

January 12th, 2008, 11:29 PM

What about Estonia-Finland?

www.sercan.de

January 13th, 2008, 12:47 AM

I don't believe it, it would rule out all of the current contenders except France maybe.

Actually maybe only Turkey is building already "EURO 2016" stadia :D

lpioe

January 13th, 2008, 12:55 PM

^^ How many possible Euro 2016 are u/c in Turkey right now?

I just think many of the possible candidates would drop their bid if the minimum is 40k, because the majority of the stadiums in these countries would not even be half full after the Euro.
Only France could use 8-10 40k stadiums after the event.

What about Estonia-Finland?

I think these countries are are too small together, not even 7 million inhabitants. And they would have to build nearly all stadiums new, most of them would be of little use after the Euro.

www.sercan.de

January 13th, 2008, 01:12 PM

lpioe

January 13th, 2008, 01:52 PM

Do you think these stadia would also be built if Turkey didn't bid for the Euro?

The one in Antalya looks pretty nice. Do you have some exterior renders?

www.sercan.de

January 13th, 2008, 01:57 PM

Actually all will be built. EURO 2016 isn't the main reason :D
Exterior pic. A 10.000 Arena will be alo built (FIBA 2010 WC venue)
http://www.antalyasporum.com/images/haber/2007-2008/yeni_stad_salon/stadyum-salon.jpg

Kuvvaci

January 13th, 2008, 02:28 PM

Kayseri: 33.000. Will be finshed this year.
Antalya: 30.000. construction will start this year. Maybe it can reach +40.000by ading 2nd tier at the stands behind the goals.
http://www.antalyasporum.com/images/haber/2007-2008/yeni_stad_salon/stadyum.jpg (yeah i know ugly render :D)

Konya: 33.000. Proposed, but construction will start this year. There are already some proposals. I hope it can be expaned. So a curved 2nd tier wouldn't be great

Bursa: 35.000. Proposed.

You forgot the Galatasaray's new stadium. 52.500 and underconstruction now. Bursa and Konya is just a story foır now. Just people wants that's all. But Galatasaray's new, Kayseri and Antalya are for real.

And Main reason is not EURO 2016 bid. Reason is football is a sector and current stadiums were so old and it was to time to build new stadiums. Evenm Rize is building a new modern small stadium now.

www.sercan.de

January 13th, 2008, 02:38 PM

Yeah, but GS stadium wouldn't be a problem, becuase it is +40.000 :D

Sagaris

January 14th, 2008, 12:46 AM

Id like to see a bid from Czechy and Slovakia. I would also back Croatia-Hungary this time around. And Turkey, it would be a new and big step for UEFA. The West and North has already hosted it many times already, plus Spain and Italy should be looking to host the WC instead.

VelesHomais

January 14th, 2008, 11:38 PM

As a Ukrainian I'll be cheering for Croatia-Hungary in 2016.

Another interesting bid would be four countries: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland.

www.sercan.de

January 22nd, 2008, 03:39 PM

Actually would be really cool without such a limit:D
Istanbul would have 4 venues :D
1. Olympic stadium 75.000 (maybe expansion to 94.000 or new stadium :D)
2. New GS stadium 52.500
3. Fenerbahce stadium 50.509
4. New Besiktas stadium 45.000-50.000 (yes, last news says now 45.000-50.000 and not 36.000)

Beşiktaş has no project

According to the latest news they got the permission.
Only the old stand at the Bosphorus side will stay. The whole new stadium will be built a lil bit more in the North. And the capacity will be 50.000.

I still can't understand how they gonna built a 50.000 stadium with a small endzone stand in that plot.
Even the ASp project had a capacity of only 36.000.

dudu24

January 22nd, 2008, 04:13 PM

Does Croatia want try again for sure?

Yes, but 2020, we will skip next bid and take a long break to prepare for this.

skaP187

January 22nd, 2008, 07:35 PM

Good news Beşiktaş won´t move from there current place. It´s so nice there!

www.sercan.de

January 22nd, 2008, 07:41 PM

But thats the problem
1. small area, how do they want to built a new 50.000 seater stadium there?
2. histirocal area, modern building won't be allowed IMO
3. Municipality and the government do not allowed GS to built his stadium in th city centre. As the other new stadiums projects in Turley the stadiums will be located in suburbs.
4. Because of no 3 the current location will have a bad infrastructure. You can only reach it by car (huge traffic) boat (when you come from asia :D ) or you hae to walk a lot

So i still can't believe the last news.

this project had a capacity of 36.000
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5267/bjk57wp.jpg
http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/41907/2001746604228913322_rs.jpg

lorevi

January 22nd, 2008, 11:32 PM

from:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9702/inonu3ih2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9333/besiktasatlas2qr5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

to:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5466/102rm2.png (http://imageshack.us)http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2421/106ad9.png (http://imageshack.us)

These update is not so old.

why they can complete third tiers all around the stadium i think the capacity will be around 40/45000 perhaps more

www.sercan.de

January 23rd, 2008, 12:56 AM

The Bosphorus stand (the wall/gate behind it) can't be touched.
And BJK needs a modern stadium with suites to compete with his rivals.
Even Trabzonspoir will get a modern 50.000 seater stadium

clyde built

January 23rd, 2008, 04:21 AM

BeestonLad

January 23rd, 2008, 03:12 PM

parkhead would be more than 62k wouldnt it? its 60k already

clyde built

January 23rd, 2008, 08:15 PM

Red85

January 23rd, 2008, 11:46 PM

57 000 ish I think 60 000 is it's maximum seat number 57 000 is what i think after crowd control and obstructed view seats anyways They will not be building any new stands giving there current crowds are looking way down than what they once were.

how come they have a seoson average of 59500 then?
60506 it is following http://www.worldstadiums.com/europe/countries/united_kingdom/scotland.shtml

Vilak

February 3rd, 2008, 12:59 AM

I'm french so I will support the more that possible bid from my country :
If we only count the stadiums that will be build/expanded for sure we will have :
one 80.000 stadium (stade de france)
four 50 to 60.000 stadium (Lens . Lille . Lyon . Marseille)
and a half dozen 35 to 48 stadiums.

The bid will also surely show an upgrade
From 60.000 to 80.000 for Marseille
From 48.000 to 54.000 for Paris.

To be honest, I must admit that Spain and england will be serious competition for our bid.

lpioe

February 3rd, 2008, 01:16 AM

^^ England won't bid, they bid for WC 2018.
Don't know about Spain, but they might go for the WC too.

Vilak

February 3rd, 2008, 01:41 AM

Thanks for the info Ipioe.
I must admit England deserves the World cup.

AndyKane

February 3rd, 2008, 04:49 AM

Scotland could hold one easy if we done away with Hampden witch is a very poor stadium and Murryfeild then built a new National Stadium in central Scotland for football and rugby.

New national stadium (on M8 corridor) 80 000
Ibrox (new) 70 000
parkhead 62 000 If the bowl was finished
Tynecastle 30 000 - 40 000
Easter Road 30 000
New Dundee 30 000
New Aberdeen 30 000 - 35 000
Highland Stadium in Inverness 30 000

All thats needed relly is a new national Stadium which is needed anyways and the inverness one all other stadiums are half proposed idea's anyways.

I'm Scottish (Glaswegian actually), and I can safely say that is a load of nonsense.

I doubt Celtic or Rangers will expand in the future. Even so if such expansion was to take place Rangers would most likely move up to around 57-60000 (see my post in the 'New Ibrox' thread for reasons), whereas completion of the bowl at Celtic Park would potentially increase capacity from 60,832 to around 72-75000.

There is no demand for a new 30,000 seater stadium in the Highlands. Tulloch Caledonian Stadium is barely full with a capacity of 6-10000. Plus, the two uncompleted sides there could be built on to create the minimum capacity of 20,000.

A joint stadium in Dundee would also be at the most 20-25,000. A new National Stadium in an area like Stirling is not going to happen any time soon.

lpioe

February 3rd, 2008, 01:06 PM

Thanks for the info Ipioe.
I must admit England deserves the World cup.

I think the hardest official competitor so far is Turkey. They have some nice new stadiums and the advantage that they have never hosted it.

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February 3rd, 2008, 01:23 PM

Maye Italy, because this week i read it in a german newspaper.
According to the italian sportsminister () they want to bid for Euro 2016.

cphdude

February 5th, 2008, 06:17 PM

Sweden

Triceratops

February 5th, 2008, 06:37 PM

It would be very good if the championship will be moved to North-East Europe, to the Baltic countries.

lpioe

February 5th, 2008, 08:23 PM

Maye Italy, because this week i read it in a german newspaper.
According to the italian sportsminister () they want to bid for Euro 2016.

I think Turkey or France would still be ahead even if Italy bids.
They just lack modern stadiums without tracks and there are not many projects at the moment as far as I know (I only know of Juve and Lazio, are there more?).

It would be very good if the championship will be moved to North-East Europe, to the Baltic countries.

Won't happen any time soon, the Baltic countries are just too small. None of their leagues has an average of more than 1000 spectators.

Axelferis

February 6th, 2008, 01:07 AM

favourites will be Turkey, Spain and france for 2016 bids.

italy has too bad reputation in their stadiums now.

www.sercan.de

February 6th, 2008, 01:11 AM

Spain won't bid and IMO France will be the biiiiiig favourite

Axelferis

February 6th, 2008, 01:14 AM

Turkey has solid candidature!! i saw turkish stadiums and very very good!!

masterpaul

February 6th, 2008, 02:11 AM

Greece Bid

Due to the upgrade to more stadiums needed, a 1 city should be allowed more then 2 host venues.

Oaka,
Aek Arena
Panathinaikos Arena

(karaiskaki)

New Poak stadium/ Or fully fully rebuilt aris stadium

Larrisa Athletic Stadium or Larrisa Football Arena

Iraklio Stadium

3 more extra venues needed (because of the number of qualifing teams will increase. Unless they abolish the number of stadiums per city rule)

www.sercan.de

February 6th, 2008, 01:50 PM

Turkey has solid candidature!! i saw turkish stadiums and very very good!!
But lets be honest,
France will have bigger ones + West Europe + "big football" nation

Demetrius

February 6th, 2008, 01:50 PM

No way Greece would bid for Euro2016 under present political, economic & demographic circumstances!

In addition to all the delays due to bureaucracy, which is currenty plaguing even small, privately funded projects (Larissa-20K, Tripoli 13K), there is the 40K limit from UEFA and the 2 venues/city limit.
Even if the minimum required stadia would be 8 venues of 40k cap. each, that would mean at least 4 stadia of 40K cap. outside Athens & Thessaloniki! Simply put, that would not be feasible for any project in Greece private or public!
And I mean, apart from the metrpolitan areas of Athens (5 mil.) and Salonica (1,5 mil.) the third biggest metropolitan area is that of Patra with a population of 300k-350k max., closely followed by Heracleion Crete, which cannot be more than 250k inhabitants max.! (the metropolitan area of the City of Heracleion).
There is no way these cities would need or could support stadia more than 30-35k max., especially taking into account the poor achivements of their football clubs and the attendancies these clubs have, even when they were reaching their peak performances! No way!

Quintana

February 6th, 2008, 01:59 PM

^^ UEFA uses a 30k minimum as far as I know.

www.sercan.de

February 6th, 2008, 02:18 PM

Yes, its 30,000. I do not think that UEFA will rise it to 40,000 after EURO 2012

masterpaul

February 6th, 2008, 03:55 PM

Actually, larrisas football stadium will be expandalble to 40 000 + and the athletic one is expandable to 30 000 something

And football clubs arnt anderachieving in greece for overacheiving. They just havnt reached the level of the big three in greece, but i bet larisa and tripolis will soon reach it.

CANIBALY

February 7th, 2008, 04:59 PM

2016 Sweden/Norway
2020 Lithuania/Latvia/Estonia

EllasOle

February 7th, 2008, 07:32 PM

2016 France
2020 Turkey or Greece
2024 Sweden & Norway or Sweden & Denmark
2028 Russia or Hungary/Croatia

I can't see UEFA giving a joint bid with 3 host countries. It's already hard enough to qualify with 15 or 14 available spots. Imagine just 13. Even if they make it a 24 team tournament 3 hosts is too much.

cphdude

February 7th, 2008, 10:45 PM

^^Yeah, i agree on the 3 country thing...

www.sercan.de

February 8th, 2008, 12:50 AM

IMO
2016 France
2020 Turkey (:D)
2024 Italy
2028 joint bid