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cmc
October 15th, 2005, 08:04 PM
MEXICO - Stadium and Arena Development News
UPDATE...


Under Construction

Estadio Chivas-Chivas Stadium-45,000
Guadalajara
C.D. Guadalajara Chivas

http://www.footballpictures.net/data/thumbnails/16/chivas-logo.jpg
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6901/grfico2l.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2991/estadio.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/473/ch031yr.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/3671/ch045iv.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/8154/ch057li.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/2015/ch073dm.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2323/ch177na.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/1933/ch192mg.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/3189/ch183yn.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/7167/ch205gc.jpg
(Pictures by Enrique MX)
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8832/75548741.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8847/13955608.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3803/13035846.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9608/67372281.jpg


Arena Indios-36,000+
Ciudad Juarez
C.F. Indios
http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portalv2/aspx/SIID_ImagenLogo.aspx?id=28|1
(Pictures from MedioTiempo.com)
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7995/1048101050a2re5.jpghttp://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8567/10481f015ejq3.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5803/10482f2a43ec9.jpghttp://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6683/10483f4abbdf3.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1791/10484f77b7wq1.jpghttp://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8629/10485f97d2mo9.jpg


Estadio Corona-Territorio Santos Laguna-28,000+
Torreon
Club Santos Laguna
http://www.gmodelo.com.mx/images/logo_santos_laguna.gif
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3131/estadiogrande1lu8.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3177/tsmcollage3pr0.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8898/tsmi.jpg


Estadio Caliente-33,000+
Tijuana
Club Tijuana-Xoloitzcuintles-Primera Division A
http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portalv2/aspx/SIID_ImagenLogo.aspx?id=1779|1
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2219/picture10wq1.png
http://blogs.mediotiempo.com/wp-content/uploads/6.jpg


EB Arena Cora-22,000
Tepic
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6378/fotonayaritca04j8z5gf3.jpg

Arena Ciudad de Mexico-22,000
Mexico City
https://6qdzrw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1mnfEvRWFd2yW6trWjtk8Lz3tqhA2ZiK2ced5-EhKCDSoHq42LNh8G38kDM11hHr-EKvxECUZr_L4caYTIaspW86Isoz0vC5CS1r7Hj1gq7roSMwx7NW0nsXq0jkk5XPbw5LDS73m2voTLqbAUxOYwmw/arena-ciudad-de-mexico%5B8%5D.jpghttp://alconcierto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/interior-arena-ciudad-de-mexico.jpg
http://www.imagefreak.net/p17/5mailsxx.jpghttp://eleconomista.com.mx/files/imagecache/400x300/files/arena_df.jpg



Proposed

Estadio de Futbol Monterrey-50,000
Monterrey
CF Monterrey
http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portalv2/aspx/SIID_ImagenLogo.aspx?id=12|1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/antgar/WP_1024x768_9.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3702/estadiointeriorrp0.jpg
http://zonarayada.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/estadio_futbol_monterrey_02.jpg
http://zonarayada.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/estadio_futbol_monterrey.jpg

hngcm
October 16th, 2005, 04:48 AM
nice :)

ARRIVA LAS CHIVAS!!!!

stardust
October 26th, 2005, 11:00 PM
One of the architectural, most impressive proyects of Latin america... I wish this dream will be true

dewback
November 20th, 2005, 03:58 AM
I love the JVC Center, it looks very vanguardist. The Chivas Stadium is a little bit simple, but it is very sleek.

ROYU
November 20th, 2005, 04:38 AM
Yes you are right the, stadium isn't impressive but th JVC Center is very modern and futurist.

gugasounds
June 22nd, 2007, 09:06 PM
Could someone put pictures of mexican stadiums, it does not matter the sport.
Mexico has the best stadiums in latin america, for example the Arena Monterrey, Azteca stadium, Estadio Victoria, and new proyects like the Estadio Chivas.

cañerito
June 23rd, 2007, 09:42 AM
México City

Azteca stadium-114 465

http://www.kochweb.de/omex/image/albums/dfaire/Azteca.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/519203872_a6cc541de5_b.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/JuegodeSoccer.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8826/63133141fo4.jpg


Olympic stadium-72 449

http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/412CU.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/CU.jpg


Plaza México-40 000

http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/LaMexico.jpg

http://p.vtourist.com/2460372-The_largest_bullring_in_the_world_Plaza_Mexico_s-Mexico_City.jpg


Azul stadium-39 000

http://es.geocities.com/mextokiak/Lugar_Estadio_Azul.jpg

http://www.senorgol.nu/images/estadioazul.jpg

remodelation

http://www.adrianns.com/images/estadio/est002.jpg

http://www.adrianns.com/images/estadio/est001.jpg


Foro sol-26 000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/mexico_city_foro_sol.jpg

http://www.adtec.com.mx/foto_foro%20sol.jpg

http://sheridan.geog.kent.edu/photos/mexico/Dsc00063.jpg

palacio de los deportes-22 000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/mexico_city_palacio1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/mexico_city_palacio2.jpg


autodromo hermanos rodriguez-¿ ?

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/mexico_city_autodromo1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/mexico_city_autodromo2.jpg




Monterrey

fundidora park- ¿ ?

http://www.autoracing1.com/Images/2002/CART/Monterrey/CrowdSunday2.jpg

http://www.autoracing1.com/Images/2004/CART/Monterrey/levitt_sebgreen.sized.jpg

http://www.tvazteca.com/deportes/automovilismo/2006/09/119200.jpg


estadio universitario-45000

http://www.geocities.com/hseldon10/estadio_uanl.jpg

http://orbita.starmedia.com/~cyrano_7/images1/w_0029.jpg


estadio tecnologico-39 000

http://static.flickr.com/77/177336665_fd7d681d6f_o.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/northern_mexico/monterrey_tecnologico.jpg


estadio monterrey-27 000

http://static.flickr.com/45/177332553_b93802aa59_o.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/northern_mexico/monterrey_estadio.jpg


arena monterrey-18 000

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/piloordonez/Monterrey%20Deportes/arena02.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/piloordonez/Monterrey%20Deportes/arena2.bmp

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y219/piloordonez/Monterrey%20Deportes/arena5.bmp

new stadium

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5972/estadioc4lu.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/715/estadiod2fl.jpg






Guadalajara, México

estadio jalisco-63 163

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/pacific_coast/guadalajara_jalisco.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Jalisco.jpg

estadio 3 de marzo-30 000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/pacific_coast/guadalajara_3_de_marzo.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/3_de_Marzo.jpg


new stadium

http://www.triadamedia.com/data/oliver/info/templo-mayor.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/guadalajara_chivas1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/guadalajara_chivas2.jpg






queretaro

estadio la corregidora-50 000

http://www.fotosqueretaro.com/albums/QroAereas/qromis009.jpg

http://www.gallos-blancos.com/Estadio/Corre5.JPG






Puebla, México

estadio cuahutemoc-42 649

http://stadiony.net/pictures/mex/estadio_cuauhtemoc/estadio_cuauhtemoc01.jpg


http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9735/elestadiocuauhtmoc882e6zy4.jpg








Morelia, México

estadio morelos-38 000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Morelos_A.jpg

http://www.chessbase.com/espanola/images/2006/Morelia/21Feb_Futbol/DSC06816.JPG

http://www.fotosdeestadios.hpg.ig.com.br/Mexico/estadio_morelos.jpg







Leon, México

Nou Camp-34 000

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7828/estadio11fa4.jpg

http://www.leon-no-oficial.com/noucamp.jpg







Irapuato, México

Estadio Sergio León Chavez-31 000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Sergio_Leon_Chavez_A.gif

http://www.projardy.com.mx/Center/Estadio/Estadio.jpg








Toluca, México

Estadio Nemesio Diez-26 000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Don_Nemesio_Diez6.jpg

http://www.mediotiempo.com/images/noticias/29932.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/110/258179253_5e614b55bb_m.jpg









Aguascalientes, México

estadio victoria

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/aguascalientes_victoria1.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/victoria1.jpg

http://www.clubnecaxa.com/V8/images/stories/Estadio/estadio.jpg

Aguascalientes, México

plaza monumental aguascalientes

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/8871/dsc010190rb.jpg

http://www.esmexico.com/fotografias/estados/01_aguascalientes/aguascalientes/01_aguascalientes_plaza_toros_monumental_1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/aguascalientes_plaza1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/aguascalientes_plaza2.jpg









Veracruz, México

Luis Pirata Fuente-45 000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/istmo_gulf_mexico/veracruz_fuente2.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/istmo_gulf_mexico/veracruz_fuente1.jpg

http://www.tiburonesrojos.net/i/estadio.jpg










Pachuca, México

Estadio Miguel Hidalgo-30 000

http://www.mediotiempo.com/images/noticias/32552.jpg

http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/upload/foto/7/7/6/pachuca.jpg http://www.espectador.com/media/notas_imagenes/85283_1166033783_3.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/248/519220319_3653a6ec50_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/222/519196374_0d7c3499af_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/248/519220319_3653a6ec50_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/109752991_a6807538fa.jpg

larsul
July 15th, 2007, 11:16 AM
Very beatiful stadiums, i love the atmosphere created.
I think Leon shouls have a new stadium, even in 2nd division they have pretty decent attendance, more than 30,000 per game.
The most modern stadiums now are Aguascalientes, Pachuca, maybe Morelia.
Of course when the new Chivas Stadiums is finished will be the best in Latinamerica and one of the best in the World.

larsul
July 15th, 2007, 11:17 AM
By any chance, does anyone have renders from new Atlante Stadium in Cancun?

lpioe
July 15th, 2007, 11:50 AM
Some impressive stadiums, Azteca is one of my favourites in the world.
Is the Olympic Stadium in Mexico used by a football club?
How often do bullfights take place in Plaza Mexico?

larsul
July 16th, 2007, 12:55 AM
Some impressive stadiums, Azteca is one of my favourites in the world.
Is the Olympic Stadium in Mexico used by a football club?
How often do bullfights take place in Plaza Mexico?

Yes, it is used by UNAM (National Autonomus University of Mexico), they play in the first division.

The bullfights take place every year in a special season, normally on sundays.
Greetings from Mexico

Dreamlıneя
July 16th, 2007, 05:38 AM
Azteca Stadium is my favorite!.. I like Arena Monterrey too :)

new stadium

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5972/estadioc4lu.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/715/estadiod2fl.jpg

What Stadium is this? It will be in Monterrey? Never heard of this one before! looks nice

larsul
July 16th, 2007, 06:25 AM
Azteca Stadium is my favorite!.. I like Arena Monterrey too :)



What Stadium is this? It will be in Monterrey? Never heard of this one before! looks nice

Well that stadium WAS a project from Tigres UANL and Monterrey FC to have one stadium in Monterrey for both teams , but it will not be constructed. Monterrey now is trying to build another one but they are still looking for options. So this stadium project is cancelled.
greetings

CORLEONE
July 16th, 2007, 10:23 AM
Really nice Stadiums, congratulations!!!! I like the new one, is that newstadium in construction? Where?

larsul
July 16th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Really nice Stadiums, congratulations!!!! I like the new one, is that newstadium in construction? Where?

The chivas stadium? that one is build here in Guadalajara, it will hav 45,000 capacity.
Its one of the most modern complex in the world containing movie theate, hair saloon, restaurant, climbing wall. And besides that, it will be build an hotel, convention center, university, sports club, a tower and more.
More info at: www.centrojvc.com

Greetings from Mexico

hngcm
July 17th, 2007, 08:18 AM
The new Chivas stadium should have a bigger capacity...

larsul
July 18th, 2007, 08:23 PM
The new Chivas stadium should have a bigger capacity...

I think the capacity is fine. The team normally draw 40,000 per game except when playing against America and Atlas.
So basically you will build a stadium for two games plus liguilla (final and semifinal) if they reach that phase?

lpioe
July 18th, 2007, 10:01 PM
^^ attendances usually increase with a new stadium

Jayskyline
July 31st, 2007, 12:04 AM
Please feel free to post your pictures.
Estadio Azteca in Mexico City used for Soccer. Tenants: America (club) and Mexican National Team.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/Estadioaztecainside.jpg
http://images.world66.com/es/ta/di/estadio_azteca_on_galleryfull
http://primates.ximian.com/~gorozco/mygallery/google-earth/lq/img-2.jpg
http://www.williams.edu/Chemistry/epeacock/GRAPHICS/AztecaAME.jpg

MORE TO COME...

Chimaera
July 31st, 2007, 12:22 AM
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=489805

bumdingo
July 31st, 2007, 07:48 AM
That is 1 tired stadium

larsul
August 1st, 2007, 04:28 AM
^^ attendances usually increase with a new stadium

Well, they are expecting to have the stadium full all the time.
That is the idea.

señor cara de papa
August 14th, 2007, 05:00 PM
they´re not really new but look pretty good!

la corregidora stadiumm:
city: Querétaro
teams: Querétaro F.C
http://www.hotelesdemexico.com.mx/Imagenes/Queretaro/estadio_corregidora.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Corregidora2.jpg
http://www.gallos-blancos.com/Resis.JPG
http://resistencia.com.mx/en%20la%20a%20mando%20yo.jpg


estadio azteca
city: mexico city

teams: america FC, mexico national team

http://images.world66.com/es/ta/di/estadio_azteca_on_galleryfull
http://usuarios.lycos.es/catolicoayalense/hpbimg/estadio%20azteca%202.GIF

estadio victoria:
city: aguas calientes
team:necaxa

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/aguascalientes_victoria1.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Victoria.jpg

estadio huracan/miguel hidalgo:
city: Pachuca
Team: Pachuca F.C

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/mexico/central_mexico/pachuca_hidalgo.jpg


estadio olimpico C.U:
city: mexico city
team: Pumas U.N.A.M

http://www.centrodeejecutivos.com.mx/imagenes/cu3.jpg
http://chilangabanda.com/picts/estadio_CU.jpg

estadio jalisco:
city:Guadalajara
teams: Chivas, Atlas

http://www.wsoccer.com/espanol/ligas_copas/mexico/guadalajara/estadio/estadio_jalisco4.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Jalisco.jpg

http://mx.geocities.com/proletariosrst/Jalisco_A2.jpg

IHaveNoLegs
August 15th, 2007, 06:49 AM
just a question, but do you know how many mexican stadium threads there are on here?

señor cara de papa
August 16th, 2007, 08:40 PM
just a question, but do you know how many mexican stadium threads there are on here?

hahaha no sorry, i´m new, i´ll check them

Marcos M.S.
August 16th, 2007, 10:16 PM
No bad!!

7/10

larsul
August 26th, 2007, 08:03 PM
The chivas stadium is taking form now, as well as the Atlante Stadium
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=401394

In the link you guys can see the development of the stadium.

GO CHIVAS!

larsul
August 30th, 2007, 03:15 AM
here is the picture of the new CHIVAS Stadium

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4240/sinttulo1vd5lz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

as you can see, the site has amazing, a very nice forrest in the back.
hope you like the update.

hngcm
August 31st, 2007, 07:16 AM
that's in the middle of nowhere

larsul
August 31st, 2007, 08:15 PM
that's in the middle of nowhere

not quite right.
that area is protected so only mountains can be there. However if you take a look at the other side, theres a lot of houses and fabrics.
next to the stadium its planned 10 more buildings, including an hotel, expo center, shopping mall, movie theaters, sports club, offices, etc.

you can take a look at the project

www.centrojvc.com

larsul
September 2nd, 2007, 06:34 AM
Hello everybody, here are some picture of the development of the Chivas Stadium. I will try to send a picture of the New atlante Stadium.



http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4346/estadiogeneralyv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3929/estadio2cq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4828/estadio3nz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2426/estadio4vu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1489/estadio5fh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ton-Tille
September 4th, 2007, 05:42 PM
Azteca stadium looks awesome

larsul
September 4th, 2007, 09:44 PM
It is a great stadium. For me if Mexico wants to have another worldcup, Aztec stadium should be renovated completely. Is not that modern as you think. It is big though..
Greetings

Plogs
September 5th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Love Azteca. The bull ring !!! never seen anything like it before...
Why the fu*k anyone would want to watch bull fighting is beyond me though.

larsul
September 6th, 2007, 01:49 AM
Yes, Aztec Stadium is Huge, however is not that modern.
About the bullfights, let me remind you that we have that spanish custom for centuries. So a lot of people like it here in Mexico and some countries in LatinAmerica. I believe its like a custom or habit.. well, something like that.

MannyGlez
September 6th, 2007, 06:06 AM
:cheers: The new Chivas stadium is going to be the most funtional and modern in Latin America and one of the top in the whole world. I hope the design will allow to expand in the future, I am sure Chivas will drag at least 15 to 25% more fans to the new stadium. :cheers:

Manny

LMCA1990
September 6th, 2007, 06:55 AM
Mexico has great stadia.

If I were a bullfighter, I'd feel small in the plaza Mexico:

http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/LaMexico.jpg

larsul
September 9th, 2007, 09:23 PM
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9245/estadioatlantekb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6657/estadioatlante1gl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These are the pictures of the first phase. The stadium built in Cancun, Mexico will host 20,000 fans. The next phase in a couple of years will hold 40,000

larsul
September 9th, 2007, 09:25 PM
Well, i dont think there was a picture of Stadium Monterrey, the most modern beisball stadium in Latinoamerica. It holds 27,000 fans.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7060/estadiobeisbolmonterreyri4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

skaP187
September 10th, 2007, 08:47 AM
Love Azteca. The bull ring !!! never seen anything like it before...
Why the fu*k anyone would want to watch bull fighting is beyond me though.

I presume you are vegaterian, otherwise shut up, you don´t know anyting about it.

larsul
September 10th, 2007, 07:53 PM
Ska, just to remind you that a lot of people doesnt understand Corridas de toros. It is quite normal that is shocking for them to be or see one.

gugasounds
November 6th, 2007, 10:57 PM
Here are some baseball stadiums of Mexico:

Foro Sol(Mexico city)

Opened:2000
Capacity:25,000
Surface:Artificial turf
Team: Diablos Rojos

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/857/mexicogeeceprfields036wl2.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/186/dsc00063xz7.jpg
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9972/diablosforosolph1.jpg

Estadio Monterrey (Monterrey)

Opened:1990
Capacity:27,000
Surface:grass
Team:Sultanes

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3662/beis20220copy01iv9dc8.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7359/beismonteoo8wr1.jpg

Estadio Casas GEO(Mexicali)

Opened:1972 reopened: 2006
Capacity:17,000
Surface:Grass
Team:Aguilas Blancas

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4359/64334ml7.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7001/panoramicatq5.jpg

rantanamo
November 7th, 2007, 07:50 AM
Is Foro Sol the stadium that the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez course runs through?

radoner
November 7th, 2007, 04:19 PM
^^ Yes it is, in fact Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez crosses between the Foro Sol when car races are held

gugasounds
November 7th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Not always, that is an alternate course designed for special raceas like NASCAR, or for the champ car series.

larsul
March 30th, 2008, 01:34 AM
Hi, here is a couple of pictures regarding new stadiums in Mexico.

Estadio Nuevo Azul

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9003/cruzazuljh0.png (http://imageshack.us)

City: Mexico City
Capacity: around 40,000
Details: Underground parking
Team: Cruz Azul

larsul
March 30th, 2008, 01:38 AM
Estadio de Ciudad Juarez

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5500/cdjuarez1ve9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9051/ciudadjuarez2ef7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

City: Ciudad Juarez
Capacity: around 30,000 thousand.
Details: open roof or closed if rain or sand storm.
Team: Indios de Ciudad Juarez

larsul
March 30th, 2008, 01:39 AM
Estadio Torreon

[URL=http://imageshack.us]http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8269/coronastadiuminternalzngv9.jpg[/

City: Torreon
Capacity: 29,000
Details: Hotel in stadium.
Team: Santos Laguna

larsul
March 30th, 2008, 01:40 AM
Estadio Caliente

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/500/tijuanatx7.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7501/tijuana2er3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

City: Tijuana
Capacity: 33,333
Details: non
Team: Xoloitcuintles

elbart089
March 30th, 2008, 01:46 AM
I presume you are vegaterian, otherwise shut up, you don´t know anyting about it.
Wow, that was very rude, but you're from Spain right?

hngcm
March 31st, 2008, 11:25 AM
i thought Cruz Azul was putting a roof over their stadium instead of a new one?

And I didn't know about the new stadiums in Ciudad Juarez/Tijuana!

CJ's is impressive, although i wish it would be a bit bigger for a possible WC bid.

Tijuana's looks ugly though...especially with those palcos.

Carrerra
March 31st, 2008, 12:04 PM
Estadio de Ciudad Juarez

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5500/cdjuarez1ve9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9051/ciudadjuarez2ef7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

City: Ciudad Juarez
Capacity: around 30,000 thousand.
Details: open roof or closed if rain or sand storm.
Team: Indios de Ciudad Juarez

What a surprise a club which was founded just 3 years ago in Mexico will have this brand new 30K estadio with a retractable roof! Maybe the owner is a Roman Abramovich of Mexico?

But to be frank, I don't think this will happen soon because the club is not old euough to have a state of the art stadium like this. Is there anyone who has a rough idea when the constrcution will start?

Bobby3
March 31st, 2008, 04:18 PM
I think Estadio Juarez looks like an aircraft hangar from the outside :(

The new Chivas stadium will be the best in Mexico, and among the best in the World.

larsul
March 31st, 2008, 08:55 PM
What a surprise a club which was founded just 3 years ago in Mexico will have this brand new 30K estadio with a retractable roof! Maybe the owner is a Roman Abramovich of Mexico?

But to be frank, I don't think this will happen soon because the club is not old euough to have a state of the art stadium like this. Is there anyone who has a rough idea when the constrcution will start?

the 2nd of april we are supposed to have news.

elbart089
March 31st, 2008, 09:00 PM
I think Estadio Juarez looks like an aircraft hangar from the outside :(

The new Chivas stadium will be the best in Mexico, and among the best in the World.
Yes I agree, it looks bad on the outside but if you consider that that team is not even in the first division then is not so bad.

lpioe
March 31st, 2008, 10:11 PM
Thanks for summing up the projects in Mexico larsul.
I like Estadio Caliente and Estadio Nuevo Azul looks quite interesting too although it's quite difficult to judge by the pic.

Bobby3
March 31st, 2008, 11:37 PM
Yes I agree, it looks bad on the outside but if you consider that that team is not even in the first division then is not so bad.

Yes, it's extraordinary for a team of that size.

Carrerra
April 1st, 2008, 12:27 AM
From other sources I found on internet, the estimated cost for Indios de Ciudad Juarez is 800M peso - a little short of 80M USD. Considering it has a retractable roof, I think it's really cheap...

larsul
April 2nd, 2008, 12:25 AM
Thanks for summing up the projects in Mexico larsul.
I like Estadio Caliente and Estadio Nuevo Azul looks quite interesting too although it's quite difficult to judge by the pic.

You are welcome man.. everytime i have info ill post it.

larsul
April 2nd, 2008, 12:38 AM
From other sources I found on internet, the estimated cost for Indios de Ciudad Juarez is 800M peso - a little short of 80M USD. Considering it has a retractable roof, I think it's really cheap...

It is not bad at all.. the owners are contructors.. maybe that is why..

Protteus
April 2nd, 2008, 07:39 AM
yeah, many people might think that some of this stadiums could be quite ugly,
specially Estadio Caliente, maybe it doesn't have a very good desing, but, as well
as Arena Indios (ciudad Juarez Stadium), the team that plays there is not very old,
in fact, it was founded in 2007, and both teams don't belong to Primera Division.

larsul
April 2nd, 2008, 07:11 PM
yeah, many people might think that some of this stadiums could be quite ugly,
specially Estadio Caliente, maybe it doesn't have a very good desing, but, as well
as Arena Indios (ciudad Juarez Stadium), the team that plays there is not very old,
in fact, it was founded in 2007, and the both teams don't belong to Primera Division.

I believe is quite good.. A team founded in 2007 and get a new stadium is real nice.. take a look at the teams in argentina.. they are maybe 50 years or older and they have shitty stadiums except for maybe 5 or 6..

larsul
April 3rd, 2008, 06:43 AM
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9921/estadiochivasfy1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The stadium have 20% in advance..

cinquante
April 14th, 2008, 05:44 PM
Here are some other stadiums not mentioned at the beginning...

San Luis Potosí
Alfonso Lastras Capacity: 25,000 (poyected 30,000)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Estadio_SLP.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Alfonso_Lastras2.jpg


Culiacán
Banorte Stadium Capacity: 21,000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Banorte2.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Banorte4.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Banorte_A.jpg

Tuxtla Gutierrez
Victor Manuel Reyna Capacity: 25,000

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Victor_Manuel_Reyna.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/concacaf/MEX/Victor_Manuel_Reyna5.jpg

fortcali
April 15th, 2008, 09:52 AM
Mexico isthe latinamerica country with better stadiums in this moment followed by 2. venezuela,3. brazil, 4.argentina and 5.Colombia

Carrerra
April 15th, 2008, 08:44 PM
What's the average attendance in Mexican 1 division?

larsul
April 16th, 2008, 01:19 AM
What's the average attendance in Mexican 1 division?

a specific team or the whole league?

Carrerra
April 16th, 2008, 08:19 AM
a specific team or the whole league?

Top 5 teams and the whole league.

larsul
April 16th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Top 5 teams and the whole league.

Hi Carrera
the average of of the top 5 teams is around 40,000 per game.

The average of the teams in first division is between 25,000 to 30,000
Greetings

Carrerra
April 16th, 2008, 04:16 PM
Hi Carrera
the average of of the top 5 teams is around 40,000 per game.

The average of the teams in first division is between 25,000 to 30,000
Greetings

Thank you, larsul. The attendance is much higher than I thought! It's really surprising Mexican Primera attracts as many people as Spanish Primera :nuts::nuts::nuts:

I think a series of new stadiums being under construction or planned in Mexico will draw much more people to stadiums than now. Let's go for 40K in average attendance like German Bundesliga. Cheers to Mexican Primera Liga :cheers:

lpioe
April 16th, 2008, 05:18 PM
I'm also quite surprised its that high.
That makes it the football league with highest attendance in whole America, right?

Larsul, can you tell me average attendance of Club América?

larsul
April 16th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Thank you, larsul. The attendance is much higher than I thought! It's really surprising Mexican Primera attracts as many people as Spanish Primera :nuts::nuts::nuts:

I think a series of new stadiums being under construction or planned in Mexico will draw much more people to stadiums than now. Let's go for 40K in average attendance like German Bundesliga. Cheers to Mexican Primera Liga :cheers:

Well i dont know that, however I know that we have a lot of population, over 100 millions and we have clubs in basically all the major cities and only 3 in our capital city (25 million).. so that pretty much explains it..
plus our clubs are owned by companies so theres a lot of money involved..
America: Televisa
Guadalajara FC: Omnilife
Monterrey FC: FEMSA (owner of Sol beer)
Tigres UANL: CEMEX (second biggest company of cement).
Cruz azul: Large cement company
UNAM: Represnts the biggest and oldest university in Latinoamerica.
Toluca: Owners of Corona Beer.
and so on..

Dont forget that the ticket prices are low here so people can go to the stadiums... very different range than spain or europe..

Carrerra
April 16th, 2008, 07:56 PM
Well i dont know that, however I know that we have a lot of population, over 100 millions and we have clubs in basically all the major cities and only 3 in our capital city (25 million).. so that pretty much explains it..
plus our clubs are owned by companies so theres a lot of money involved..
America: Televisa
Guadalajara FC: Omnilife
Monterrey FC: FEMSA (owner of Sol beer)
Tigres UANL: CEMEX (second biggest company of cement).
Cruz azul: Large cement company
UNAM: Represnts the biggest and oldest university in Latinoamerica.
Toluca: Owners of Corona Beer.
and so on..

Dont forget that the ticket prices are low here so people can go to the stadiums... very different range than spain or europe..

Considering per capita GDP of Mexico is much lower than those of European countries, you can never say the ticket price is cheap. Mexican people feel burdened economically for going to watch football as much as Europeans do.

larsul
April 16th, 2008, 10:24 PM
I'm also quite surprised its that high.
That makes it the football league with highest attendance in whole America, right?

Larsul, can you tell me average attendance of Club América?

This year 42,000.. they are having a bad year.. thank god.. :D

miguelon
April 17th, 2008, 09:14 PM
club america attendances, are very volatile,, againts the 4 most popular teams (Guadalajara, UNAM and Cruz Azulyou get a sell out or near sell out (105,000) or at least a +80,000 crowd, but against smaller teams,, you get in the range of 30,000 to 45,000.

larsul
April 17th, 2008, 11:16 PM
club america attendances, are very volatile,, againts the 4 most popular teams (Guadalajara, UNAM and Cruz Azulyou get a sell out or near sell out (105,000) or at least a +80,000 crowd, but against smaller teams,, you get in the range of 30,000 to 45,000.

exactly.. the thing is that they didnt played against a good team this year so far.. thats why they have that attendance

larsul
April 18th, 2008, 02:18 AM
Latest render for the new Chivas stadium from GUadalajara..


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7386/estadiochivfh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

larsul
April 22nd, 2008, 05:53 PM
forgot to say theres a river around the stadium..

HUSKER
April 24th, 2008, 01:31 AM
Here's the new Estadio Corona, of Torreon's Santos Laguna:
cap: 28,914., including a hotel with view to the field.
Groundbreaking date: 20 april, 2008
Completion date: 2009
Cost: 100 million USD
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7578/fc7c308730ec3f970e45f2cen1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

larsul
April 24th, 2008, 05:07 AM
Here's the new Estadio Corona, of Torreon's Santos Laguna:
cap: 28,914., including a hotel with view to the field.
Groundbreaking date: 20 april, 2008
Completion date: 2009
Cost: 100 million USD
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7578/fc7c308730ec3f970e45f2cen1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nice render..
It looks like the stadium of Ciudad Juarez, no?

Carrerra
April 24th, 2008, 08:45 AM
Here's the new Estadio Corona, of Torreon's Santos Laguna:
cap: 28,914., including a hotel with view to the field.
Groundbreaking date: 20 april, 2008
Completion date: 2009
Cost: 100 million USD
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7578/fc7c308730ec3f970e45f2cen1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is a really nice stadium! Maybe do you have more renderings?

PS) According to wikipedia, construction started on 22 Feb, 2008. You said they broke ground on 20 Apr, 2008. Which is true????????????????

thaproducer
April 24th, 2008, 06:27 PM
impresionante el del chivas.. le da un buen ambiente el cerro k tiene de cercas.. lo hace mas natural... amazing chivas stadium

larsul
April 24th, 2008, 07:13 PM
This is a really nice stadium! Maybe do you have more renderings?

PS) According to wikipedia, construction started on 22 Feb, 2008. You said they broke ground on 20 Apr, 2008. Which is true????????????????

They broke ground the 20 of april

larsul
April 25th, 2008, 12:14 AM
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9531/estadiomonterreywf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

larsul
April 25th, 2008, 12:15 AM
THe stadium projected for 75,000 in monterrey, this was presented today!!

Protteus
April 25th, 2008, 12:25 AM
I think you shouldn't post the new stadium of Monterrey,
this is not the official render, it's only a proposal.

Carrerra
April 25th, 2008, 12:45 AM
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9531/estadiomonterreywf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So fantastic! Btw does this stadium have running tracks around the field? I feel like it will have, judging from the overall design...

And who will pay for building the stadium? The clubs or the municipality or cost sharing of both parties?

Carrerra
April 25th, 2008, 12:53 AM
I think you shouldn't post the new stadium of Monterrey,
this is not the official render, it's only a proposal.

A mere proposal gives good information to forum users. I think there shouldn't be a limit in posting unofficial proposal or rendering.

larsul
April 25th, 2008, 01:00 AM
exactly, i agree with carrera..sometimes there are some changes in the concept and doesnt change that much..

larsul
April 25th, 2008, 01:01 AM
Presentan proyecto de estadio en NL


César Esparza (der.), director ejecutivo del proyecto, y Barry Lowe, director de HOK Sport, presentaron el proyecto junto a otras personalidades.
Foto: Antonio Ordaz


Está proyectado para construirse en el lecho del Río Santa Catarina y su construcción culminaría en el 2011

Óscar Sánchez


Monterrey, México (24 abril 2008).- El proyecto del estadio internacional Monterrey fue presentado esta tarde en las instalaciones del Club Industrial.

Un inmueble de clase mundial con capacidad para 75 mil espectadores está proyectado para construirse en el lecho del Río Santa Catarina y su construcción culminaría en el 2011.

El dicho inmueble estaría proyectado para albergar los partidos de Tigres y Rayados, además de otros eventos deportivos.

César Esparza, director ejecutivo del proyecto y Barry Lowe, director de la empresa HOK Sport, presentaron el proyecto junto a otras personalidades involucradas en la que sería la construcción de este inmueble.

El estadio estará construido sobre un puente para que el Río Santa Catarina tuviera su cauce, contaría con estacionamiento para nueve mil autos y tendría techo retráctil.

Este proyecto es diferente al del estadio de Rayados que se construiría en la Ciudad y por la misma empresa, HOK Sport.

Carrerra
April 25th, 2008, 01:08 AM
exactly, i agree with carrera..sometimes there are some changes in the concept and doesnt change that much..

I'm not carrera but Carrerra. Maybe it's the only one in the world which is pronounced carrera but has four r's in the name. :lol::lol::lol:

Protteus
April 25th, 2008, 01:10 AM
This is a really nice stadium! Maybe do you have more renderings?

PS) According to wikipedia, construction started on 22 Feb, 2008. You said they broke ground on 20 Apr, 2008. Which is true????????????????

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/170/estadiooy1.png

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9538/coronarender1pg9.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4251/coronarender2ll4.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/6rluyv.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/300xtl5.jpg

Carrerra
April 25th, 2008, 01:19 AM
Thank you, protteus. The front facade is a fantasy itself. It reminds me of a luxury department store.

HUSKER
April 25th, 2008, 01:55 AM
Nice render..
It looks like the stadium of Ciudad Juarez, no?

It has more resemblance to the Home Depot Center of LA

LIL J
April 25th, 2008, 03:24 AM
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9531/estadiomonterreywf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

april fools

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
not seriously , these people are going to built this thing , i mean that's a amazing stadium , in less words world class , doesn't or does anyone disagree with my own opinion .

but i have one question, does this stadium is goin to be the same as tecnologico , you know with those tracks around the field ?

Bobby3
April 26th, 2008, 03:33 AM
Isn't Monterrey considering an Olympic bid? That could be the Olympic Stadium.

Mr.Burn
April 26th, 2008, 09:24 AM
to small for an olympic stadium these days no?

larsul
April 26th, 2008, 11:52 PM
I guess, dont know the rules of the olympics now..

Carrerra
June 1st, 2008, 11:46 PM
Here's the new Estadio Corona, of Torreon's Santos Laguna:
cap: 28,914., including a hotel with view to the field.
Groundbreaking date: 20 april, 2008
Completion date: 2009
Cost: 100 million USD
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7578/fc7c308730ec3f970e45f2cen1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Where is the hotel? Maybe the left one of the facade?

larsul
June 2nd, 2008, 02:32 AM
I think the hotel is in the right, in the bulding right there..

Carrerra
June 2nd, 2008, 05:11 AM
I think the hotel is in the right, in the bulding right there..

In the rendering it doesn't seem that the building is tall enough for guests to watch the game.

Nikkodemo
June 2nd, 2008, 05:39 AM
Wonderful thread compañeros!!!

larsul
June 2nd, 2008, 06:27 AM
What happened with the project of Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez for a new stadium? how is that going?

hngcm
June 3rd, 2008, 08:09 AM
Isn't Monterrey considering an Olympic bid? That could be the Olympic Stadium.

so it'll have running tracks?

ewwww

Carrerra
June 3rd, 2008, 08:32 AM
so it'll have running tracks?

ewwww

Mexico already has sufficient football-only arenas so it's not that bad to have a multi-use stadium with athletics tracks this time.

markoz_antonio
June 29th, 2008, 04:41 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Monterrey.PNG
CF Monterrey

2x Champion:
1986, 2003

1x Cup Winner:
1992

1x CONCACAF Cup Winners Cup:
1993


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/c/cf/UANL_Tigres.svg/150px-UANL_Tigres.svg.png
UANL Tigres

2x Champion:
1978, 1982

2x Cup Winner:
1976, 1996


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3162/estadiomonterreyxj8.jpg

http://sp5.fotologs.net/photo/37/24/49/hcaballero/1209136519_f.jpg

Lowdy79
June 29th, 2008, 06:49 AM
That stadium looks like what were getting in Perth,Western Australia.Also our stadium outside skin changes colour depending on which team is playing.

@markoz_antonio mate tells us about the stadium we don't all understand spainish.

tazmaneaK
June 29th, 2008, 07:51 AM
The Monterrey International Stadium is the masterpiece of Rod Sheard, an architect of the best stadiums in the world.

The proposed design is based on a "rehilete", a symbol of Mexican fiesta.
http://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/rehilete-recortado.jpg



The texture outside the stadium, resembles a basket woven by natives of our land, which evokes the roots of our pre-hispanic culture.
http://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/tejedora.jpghttp://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/tejido-estadio.jpg


Rehilete or the basket are formed by eight layered so fluid that symbolize the movement of the fans doing the "Mexican Wave" released to the world in 1984 the University Stadium in a friendly game between Mexico and Argentina.

http://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/ola-porra.jpghttp://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/ola-estadio.jpg


The facade of the stadium can be illuminated in blue, green and yellow colors adapting the identity of "Rayados", Mexico and "Tigres" respectively. (Rayados & Trigres are the soccer teams of the city)

http://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/colores-porra.jpghttp://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/colores-estadio.jpg



http://www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com/images/eim/estadio_aerea_rayados_gigante.jpg


It looks similar to the New Perth Stadium, isn't?

markoz_antonio
June 29th, 2008, 08:20 AM
This stadium is not official, is only a proposal for hok.

No monterrey built stadium but apparently will not be this.

excuse my English, not much.

pompeyfan
June 29th, 2008, 09:24 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/EIM1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/EIM.jpg

A few more images of it

Carrerra
June 29th, 2008, 10:15 AM
Aren't there any renders about the interior of the stadium? I wonder whether it has running tracks inside or not but I guess it will have. Browsing around the site, it looks like they are planning to host Olympics with the stadium though I'm not sure because it was written in Spanish.

www.sercan.de
June 29th, 2008, 10:47 AM
capacity?

Quintana
June 29th, 2008, 10:50 AM
And how many palcos :D

www.sercan.de
June 29th, 2008, 10:51 AM
yeah, good questtion :D

its a mexican one
so IMO +400 :D

theespecialone
June 29th, 2008, 11:15 AM
looks like valencias stadum

krudmonk
June 29th, 2008, 08:18 PM
looks like valencias stadum
except nice

Jim856796
June 29th, 2008, 08:59 PM
i thought this Estadio International Monterrey was an April Fool's joke. I also thought we were supposed to upgrade the Estadio Universitario to a 72,000 capacity.

HUSKER
June 30th, 2008, 03:45 AM
Please close this thread. This stadium is not going to be built., it's a joke from the promoter of it., Neither Monterrey FC or Tigres have agreed to participate in the construction and it does not have any funding $$$$ from nowone. Insted Monterrey FC is going to build Tecate Stadium and Tigres is going to upgrade their Universitario Stadium., In the Mexican forum this trhead was closed because of the uncertainty of the "project".

markoz_antonio
June 30th, 2008, 04:34 AM
Please close this thread. This stadium is not going to be built., it's a joke from the promoter of it., Neither Monterrey FC or Tigres have agreed to participate in the construction and it does not have any funding $$$$ from nowone. Insted Monterrey FC is going to build Tecate Stadium and Tigres is going to upgrade their Universitario Stadium., In the Mexican forum this trhead was closed because of the uncertainty of the "project".

jajaja
liar, you do not have anything to do with monterrey, I said that was not official

tu trabajas para hok o que??

parece que tu eres el encargado del proyecto.

bing222
June 30th, 2008, 08:28 AM
One of the best stadiums i have ever seen

Carrerra
June 30th, 2008, 08:53 AM
Mexican Nou Mestalla!

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d56276470d345178ad8abd806e1708e12cf310ef776a2b7e8cbe019c8831c42ac552207deeef12c66d5594203efeaf29056ebdabb1849073e8&f_no=3fb8c32fffd73c9943b0d8a113c33638a2b449e8a4

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d56276470d345178ad8abd806e1708e12cf310ef776a2b7e8cbe0194d8649321c8097f7deeef12c66d9f5460a06530&f_no=3fb8c32fffd73ce8448ff1

hngcm
June 30th, 2008, 11:59 AM
Why is the stadium on a plate?

The "plate" even goes over part of the road...

Benjuk
July 14th, 2008, 12:09 AM
Head of the Mexican FA Decio De Maria reckons Mexico are one of the three back-up plans Sepp Blatter mentioned last week...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=554922&sec=worldcup2010&cc=9999

Near as I can tell they have 7 suitable stadiums spread over 6 cities. Next best is a 39k stadium in Mexico City (which already has 2 other venues). None of these stadia are under 20 years old. Completion of the Jorge Vergara Cabrera will bring them another, but it will be in Guadalajara which already has a venue. So, at best it's 8 or 9 over 6 cities.

Seems bizarre that FIFA would lower standards for a back-up when the USA could step in with a multitude of venues at 6 months notice!

(and yes, I know, this will only in the event of a natural disaster in SA, which won't happen - touch wood)

PoLy_MX
July 14th, 2008, 12:31 AM
i hope so :lol: but i think SA deserved this WC :D

elbart089
July 14th, 2008, 12:34 AM
lol, that's how we stole our second World Cup to Colombia and became the first country to host it twice, if it happens again then we would be the first country to host it 3 times. :)

BTW the Chivas Stadium will be complete by the end of this year.
http://img302.imageshack.us/img302/6650/116uj.jpg

Benn
July 14th, 2008, 01:11 AM
I think there would be more infrastructure work needed than Mexico would like to deal with in the next two years, the new Chivas stadium would be great, and if they build the new Monterrey proposal that would be another. But the other 8-10 likely venues would need work. Some like the Azteca would probably just need new seats, and maybe expanded media areas, some extra bathrooms. But other spots would need serious expansion or replacement.

It seems that if South Africa is unable to pull it together (which would be kind of suprising) I would figure Spain, the US and England would be the short list, but who knows for sure.

Kobo
July 14th, 2008, 01:18 AM
Who are the other 2 nations that will step in if there is a problem with South Africa? And what natural disasters are likely to strike South Africa?

elbart089
July 14th, 2008, 01:31 AM
Yeah, the Estadio Azteca is quite old now, but still looks good. Even though all Mexican stadiums are clean and functional we wouldn't have enough time (1 1/2 years??) to build new espectacular stadiums, I mean they would've had to told us at least 4 years before so we could build them, but oh well let's see if South Africa can solve its problems on time.

Estadio Azteca
http://homepage.mac.com/helipilot/.Pictures/vistasaereas/JuegodeSoccer.jpg

dande
July 14th, 2008, 01:49 AM
I think it´s more due to SA inability to organize the event rather than natural disaster.

BobDaBuilder
July 14th, 2008, 01:50 AM
Been to Mexico, it is too dangerous for travellers.

As a back up to S.A. You have to pick a 1st world nation.

Canada, Oz, England, etc.. (not the USA, I was shocked at how many poor people they have and had trouble distinguishing it from Mexico). For a nation that harps on about how religious it is, I think they have trouble distinguishing their worship of money to that of a God.

Personally I don't think somewhere like S.A. should be hosting World Cups and spending valuable resources when they should be spending the money on housing projects, education and welfare.

To give you an idea how nasty things are in S.A. The British Army sends their doctors there in order to get 'battle prepared.'

It is purely political having it in S.A.

en1044
July 14th, 2008, 01:55 AM
Been to Mexico, it is too dangerous for travellers.

As a back up to S.A. You have to pick a 1st world nation.

Canada, Oz, England, etc.. (not the USA, I was shocked at how many poor people they have and had trouble distinguishing it from Mexico). For a nation that harps on about how religious it is, I think they have trouble distinguishing their worship of money to that of a God.

Personally I don't think somewhere like S.A. should be hosting World Cups and spending valuable resources when they should be spending the money on housing projects, education and welfare.

To give you an idea how nasty things are in S.A. The British Army sends their doctors there in order to get 'battle prepared.'

It is purely political having it in S.A.


Wow, um... your comments about the US are pretty inaccurate. There are poor people here, but just as many as any other country (proportionally). Dont even think about comparing us to Mexico in that category.

Iain1974
July 14th, 2008, 01:58 AM
Theres not much notice between July 08 and June 2010 so you've realistically got to go with a European nation (England/France/Germany/Spain) or the USA.

How could Mexico be a backup? Their facilities are second rate at best.

PoLy_MX
July 14th, 2008, 02:11 AM
Been to Mexico, it is too dangerous for travellers.

As a back up to S.A. You have to pick a 1st world nation.

Canada, Oz, England, etc.. (not the USA, I was shocked at how many poor people they have and had trouble distinguishing it from Mexico). For a nation that harps on about how religious it is, I think they have trouble distinguishing their worship of money to that of a God.

Personally I don't think somewhere like S.A. should be hosting World Cups and spending valuable resources when they should be spending the money on housing projects, education and welfare.

To give you an idea how nasty things are in S.A. The British Army sends their doctors there in order to get 'battle prepared.'

It is purely political having it in S.A.

WTF???????!!!

BobDaBuilder
July 14th, 2008, 02:17 AM
^^^^^^^^^^

You are obviously a strong supporter of the old Caeser theory of just giving the people circuses and they won't need bread etc..

woozoo
July 14th, 2008, 03:03 AM
To give you an idea how nasty things are in S.A. The British Army sends their doctors there in order to get 'battle prepared.'
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Where did you read this? Do you really believe it?

There are poor people here, but just as many as any other country (proportionally). Dont even think about comparing us to Mexico in that category.

Aha:
Poverty by percentage by country:
http://www.raisethehammer.org/images/unicef_relative_income_poverty.jpg

Despite this, I think the US would be best capable of hosting the cup at such short notice. They have as good facilities as anywhere in the world, pretty much.
The only thing is that it's going to Brazil in 2014, so two world cups side by side in western hemisphere? Probably not, but due to the fact its a hosting by default, maybe they will allow it.

Benn
July 14th, 2008, 03:36 AM
Been to Mexico, it is too dangerous for travellers.

As a back up to S.A. You have to pick a 1st world nation.

Canada, Oz, England, etc.. (not the USA, I was shocked at how many poor people they have and had trouble distinguishing it from Mexico). For a nation that harps on about how religious it is, I think they have trouble distinguishing their worship of money to that of a God.

Personally I don't think somewhere like S.A. should be hosting World Cups and spending valuable resources when they should be spending the money on housing projects, education and welfare.

To give you an idea how nasty things are in S.A. The British Army sends their doctors there in order to get 'battle prepared.'

It is purely political having it in S.A.

Where in the US were you? That description might fit a few trailer parks in Missouri, but I have never seen part of the country like that. Now the dollar is down, but you're talking like we're a 3rd world country. Granted some of the major cities have alot of homeless people (LA, San Fran, Houston ect), but so do cities like Berlin, Prague, Paris ect. if you saw a 2nd or 3rd world country in the US you are either blind or lying. I guess since I am American you're going to tell me that I must be a Bible thumping gun nut talking about how we need to get rid of all the foreigners. Wanna hear something crazy? I don't even own a single gun, I take the LRT to work and am not a Christian fundementalist! What a shock. I also don't think we should have invaded Iraq (doesn't England have troops there too), I want universal healthcare and I think Bush is probably the worst President in our history. I'll agree we're too obsessed with money, but that isn't just an American problem. My city doesn't have bad homeless problem, and we have 3 million people in the area. I have spent a summer in Germany and it was great, (great mass transit, more history, really good schools) but it really wasn't that much different).

With a line like that I doubt you have actually been to this country.

Iain1974
July 14th, 2008, 03:44 AM
I hate to agree with Bob here but...........

Many of the larger US cities, especially in my experience, Chicago/Detroit and New Orleans (pre-Katrina) have large tracts of poor housing with very high levels of unemployment that can understandably be equated to the 3rd world.

I don't think for a second that the extrapolation Bob is making is viable, but there really are some shocking levels of poverty in the large cities. Poverty in Berlin/Paris doesn't compare to these places.

BobDaBuilder
July 14th, 2008, 03:57 AM
Where did I get the thing about the British Army doctors using South African violence as a way of training up it's quacks. Well I spent time in South Africa and met a lot of army surgeons from the UK getting trained up in 'battle scenarios'.

Johanesburg has more weapon related injuries and deaths than you get in war zones.

As for parts of the US which had staggeringly poor persons which shocked me as I thought the US was a wealthy nation, obviously some people do not share. I saw it in most major cities. LA shocked be the most. It was the closest I had seen to what you get in Soweto, just near Johanesburg in S.A. It left me very shaken and disgusted. I'd never want to live in America, a country that discards it's own like that is outrageous. It reminded me of that Blade Runner city.

What I don't get about Americans, is they are always 'praising God', and 'thanking God for making me win this Oscar...' or 'scoring in some game' yet they have this fuck-you attitude to the down and outers.

Iain1974
July 14th, 2008, 04:04 AM
It's not such a surprise. They use to train army medics in Northern Ireland. The hospital get some extra security and the medics get valuable training.

en1044
July 14th, 2008, 04:27 AM
Where did I get the thing about the British Army doctors using South African violence as a way of training up it's quacks. Well I spent time in South Africa and met a lot of army surgeons from the UK getting trained up in 'battle scenarios'.

Johanesburg has more weapon related injuries and deaths than you get in war zones.

As for parts of the US which had staggeringly poor persons which shocked me as I thought the US was a wealthy nation, obviously some people do not share. I saw it in most major cities. LA shocked be the most. It was the closest I had seen to what you get in Soweto, just near Johanesburg in S.A. It left me very shaken and disgusted. I'd never want to live in America, a country that discards it's own like that is outrageous. It reminded me of that Blade Runner city.

What I don't get about Americans, is they are always 'praising God', and 'thanking God for making me win this Oscar...' or 'scoring in some game' yet they have this fuck-you attitude to the down and outers.

You have a very distorted view of this country my friend. The only people you see who are all about God are the people who are newsworthy. Example: The Westboro Baptist Church. Just because they thank GOd for scoring in a game or winning some award doesnt mean that they are Bible thumpers. As a wealthy nation you will experience a gap between the rich and poor, its only natural that it happens. Im not saying that its good, just that theres not much to stop it. Dont say that we discard our own, we dont. The problem is that the people who CAN do anything about it (the very wealthy) are a VERY small proportion and dont care. The fact that you think that we have a fuck you attitude towards lesser people just shows your ignorance towards this country. Dont judge a book by its cover. Ever look to see how much money is donated to charity every year?

Benjuk
July 14th, 2008, 04:40 AM
Poverty by percentage by country:
http://www.raisethehammer.org/images/unicef_relative_income_poverty.jpg

Out of interest, do you have similar figures that include South Africa, Brazil and Mexico - it would make an interesting comparrison. Also, how are they defining 'poverty' on that graph. I used to visit people in England who were classified as living below the poverty line but still had enough money to buy alcohol, smoke, and have satelite tv, had free(ish) healthcare and education for their kids, etc.

theespecialone
July 14th, 2008, 05:20 AM
johannesburg has an appalling crime rate and i've heard that there is discrimination against white due to a transformation policy

that said, the world cup will hopefully clean some of thees things up as well as expedite economic growth..

hngcm
July 14th, 2008, 05:40 AM
Poverty by percentage by country:
http://www.raisethehammer.org/images/unicef_relative_income_poverty.jpg



The "poor" in the USA are very different from poor people in Mexico, South Africa, Brazil, etc;

The USA's "poor" make about 30,000 a year, have their own home, have a car, have cable tv and actually have some disposable income.

The poor in the other countries struggle day to day just to survive.

Most of my life I lived below the "poverty" level, but yet I never had to worry about having enough food and water.

Benn
July 14th, 2008, 07:02 AM
Where did I get the thing about the British Army doctors using South African violence as a way of training up it's quacks. Well I spent time in South Africa and met a lot of army surgeons from the UK getting trained up in 'battle scenarios'.

Johanesburg has more weapon related injuries and deaths than you get in war zones.

As for parts of the US which had staggeringly poor persons which shocked me as I thought the US was a wealthy nation, obviously some people do not share. I saw it in most major cities. LA shocked be the most. It was the closest I had seen to what you get in Soweto, just near Johanesburg in S.A. It left me very shaken and disgusted. I'd never want to live in America, a country that discards it's own like that is outrageous. It reminded me of that Blade Runner city.

What I don't get about Americans, is they are always 'praising God', and 'thanking God for making me win this Oscar...' or 'scoring in some game' yet they have this fuck-you attitude to the down and outers.

I wouldn't Judge the whole US be LA. That would be like summing up all of Europe by a broke neighborhood in Moscow. That city has issues, highest homeless rate in the country, big crime issues, Hollywood, ect.
If you're in California go to San Diego or San Fransisco.

As for the whole praise god for making me win this thing, that bothers alot of us (me included) too. I don't know if it happens much in other countries (especially the more religious ones outside of Europe?) But for alot of athletes it seems to be lip service, and sort of what you say during the interview, almost like they were coached, or practiced it. Also the US tends to be more religious than western Europe, not saying thats good or bad, but statistically speaking most black, latino, and rural white Americans are practicing members of a religion (typically Christian).
I also Have the feeling that some churches (especially the megachurches) have very distorted view of the bible, a very individualistic, me first sort of view, with millionaire preachers and only deal with abortion gay marriage and prayer in school, while disregarding the important parts of the bible's message charity, caring for those in need, caring for the planet ect. It's not many churches, but it's a number of the big evangelical protestant ones.

Anyway maybe you get the chance you could try going to places like Seattle, Portland, New York, Austin tx, Boston, ect and see if your perception of the US doesn't change a little. And hey with the exchange rate as bad (or in your case good) as it is, why not:cheers:

BobDaBuilder
July 14th, 2008, 07:29 AM
^^^^^^^^^^

The problem in San Diego is nobody hablo en anglaise(or however you say it)!

Benn
July 14th, 2008, 07:43 AM
Englais I think. Anyway back to the thread it's probably too short notice for Australia to get enough venues above the requisite 40,000, good at the top issues at the bottom. I'll still say Spain, England and the US for the three likely back ups, but no one really knows what is going on in Sepp Blatter's mind.

en1044
July 14th, 2008, 08:04 AM
^^^^^^^^^^

The problem in San Diego is nobody hablo en anglaise(or however you say it)!

...what?

and its inglés

GunnerJacket
July 14th, 2008, 06:52 PM
Note: I'm threadjacking to clarify information.

Aha:
Poverty by percentage by country:
http://www.raisethehammer.org/images/unicef_relative_income_poverty.jpg

So, you're using an arbitrary table with no proper identification or measurables, without substantiating it's source or authenticity, and citing that as the basis for your argument? Remind me not to use you as my lawyer.

Unless you properly qualify your evidence I could just as easily take the same table and call it "Total Volume of Peanut Butter Consumed, by Country" and it would read just as valid. Come to think of it, based on the information I've seen (see below) my definition might even prove more correct for this table. ;)

What I don't get about Americans, is they are always 'praising God', and 'thanking God for making me win this Oscar...' or 'scoring in some game' yet they have this fuck-you attitude to the down and outers.I think you're mistaking the celebrity culture for that of the average American. Julia Roberts' reactions to winning an Oscar are hardly a fair barometer for how the remaining 300+ million residents regard the less fortunate. Consider that, when including religious institutions, the US gives THE most money (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19409188/) to charitable organizations in the world, both in volume and as a % of GNP.

Also, please don't forget the blending of ideologies at work. Americans are for the most part still capitalistic, so charity will only be allowed to go so far before society turns to the individual and expects them to fulfill some level of accountability. True, some households still persist on welfare, but hardly to the excessive levels available in other countries. Thus, while poverty is not a communal goal, neither is socialism. If you fail to contribute by choice, you run the risk of falling behind.

Many of the larger US cities, especially in my experience, Chicago/Detroit and New Orleans (pre-Katrina) have large tracts of poor housing with very high levels of unemployment that can understandably be equated to the 3rd world.The impoverished will gather in cities for obvious reasons: Access to most charity organizations, welfare and medicare support, etc. And as participants of this forum should know social forces will see the bulk of a community seek to live apart from the poor (suburban flight), thus leading to default concentrations poor people. There are ghettos and bleak areas in most major cities, but suggestions this is a majority, or even a disproportionate minority of the US population would be incorrect. According to the US Census Bureau (http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/p60-233.pdf) the poverty rate in the US has mostly risen since 9/11 to a 2006 measure of 12.3%. This includes a notable volume of illegal aliens and single-elderly on fixed incomes, which, to put it bluntly, is not indicative of the "average US household."

Are there poor in the US? Absolutely, and we're trying to do a great deal about it. But the nation is still among the global leaders in terms of GNP and standards of living, and despite current tax policy is unlikely to ever sink dangerously low in that regard.

Iain1974
July 14th, 2008, 10:26 PM
Does anyone else wonder what this has to do with the topic?

Mo Rush
July 14th, 2008, 11:26 PM
I think it´s more due to SA inability to organize the event rather than natural disaster.

We've suddenly become an incapable nation. Even if we hosted the rugby world cup as a new democracy in 1995. Hosted the best cricket world cup ever and the african cup of nations in 1996. The entire aggressive and strategic bidding plan was put in place towards hosting a mega-event of this scale.

South Africa hosts major rugby and football teams regularly without incident. Organizes major conferences and events. Next week Manchster United play in the country. Our security blueprint is used at all UN summits.

The one moment we're good enough and the next we've suddenly
collapsed.

Unfortunately the rumours and headlines won't end until 11 June 2010 BUT I'd rather we have our stadia ready 1 year before the event along with airports and infrastructure. It is after all the reality that counts.

Nobody seemed to moan that Beijing had its Olympic stadium ready only 4 months before the opening. 9 out of 10 stadia in South Africa will be ready 1 year before the 2010 kick off.

Mo Rush
July 14th, 2008, 11:27 PM
I don't mind back up proposals but at least be sensible enough to propose back up countries that have 8 40,000 seat venues ready tomorrow. Please don't propose dairy farmers hicks village stadium in townsville and expect anybody to take you seriously. If South Africa needs back up venues, it has Newlands, Kings Park and others already in existence

Mexico as a back up is laughable. Ideally the back up host should have venues that meet FIFA requirements.

FIFA's back ups are Germany, England and USA, even if Blatter has not even had the decency to contact these nations to discuss being a back up.

GunnerJacket
July 14th, 2008, 11:47 PM
We've suddenly become an incapable nation. I agree, the hype has been rather silly. I'm betting it's mainly a publicity ploy to get the contractors back on track. I wonder if there are any money-squabbles going on right now that we're not privvy to?

Hosted the best cricket world cup ever...I'm not sure this is something to be proud of...

JK :banana:
Nobody seemed to moan that Beijing had its Olympic stadium ready only 4 months before the opening. *raises hand*

I also didn't think it should go there to begin with, but apparently FIFA and the IOC don't rate my opinion very highly. Pity. :nuts:
I don't mind back up proposals but at least be sensible enough to propose back up countries that have 8 40,000 seat venues ready tomorrow. Agree. The precedence for these things is to return to a recent host, if the scheduling permits. Again, I suspect this is publicity playing out, and presumably hype from the fine folks in Mexico.
Mexico as a back up is laughable. Careful. Seeing as we're trying to deflect the critical comments away from SA, it'd be impolite to do so by simply launching criticisms at someone else.

Mo Rush
July 15th, 2008, 12:01 AM
I'm not sure this is something to be proud of...


England were the hosts in 1999. It is something to be proud of, considering it was still the best after Windies 2007.

The criticizm regarding Mexican stadia not meeting FIFA requirements is fact not impolite.

GunnerJacket
July 15th, 2008, 12:11 AM
England were the hosts in 1999. It is something to be proud of, considering it was still the best after Windies 2007.My sarcasm was directed towards cricket in general, not SA. Just trying to add some levity.

The criticizm regarding Mexican stadia not meeting FIFA requirements is fact not impolite.Using the term "laughable" comes off as impolite when one could simply say they don't meet all the criteria. You're painting a picture that every venue will be inadequate when in reality they'll simply lack the volume of necessary 40k facilities.

Just saying, what's good for the goose...

Cheers. :cheers:

Mo Rush
July 15th, 2008, 12:14 AM
My sarcasm was directed towards cricket in general, not SA. Just trying to add some levity.

Using the term "laughable" comes off as impolite when one could simply say they don't meet all the criteria. You're painting a picture that every venue will be inadequate when in reality they'll simply lack the volume of necessary 40k facilities.

Just saying, what's good for the goose...

Cheers. :cheers:

Well I apologize.

I just think that being a back up host is a serious serious serious thing especially if its organizing the worlds greatest sporting event in a year or less.Thats certainly no laughing matter.

good luck to Mexico on a 2018 bid.

Gherkin
July 15th, 2008, 01:06 AM
South Africa's stadia will wipe the floor with Mexico's by 2010. The country doesn't need another World Cup. USA will get the WC before it without doubt.

rover3
July 15th, 2008, 01:39 AM
uhmhhh, shouldn't this thread be changed to: Our poor is better than your poor!!?

STICK TO THE TOPIC OF STADIA, girls!!! :nuts:

rover3
July 15th, 2008, 01:44 AM
Nobody seemed to moan that Beijing had its Olympic stadium ready only 4 months before the opening.

Actually, that is perfect timing for a new stadium. That way, it can be ready for the national trials, get into Ceremonies rehearsals, and then BAM!! straight into the Games without the need for refurbishment or a new coat of paint.

Dominican2dacore
July 15th, 2008, 04:35 AM
Well I apologize.

I just think that being a back up host is a serious serious serious thing especially if its organizing the worlds greatest sporting event in a year or less.Thats certainly no laughing matter.

good luck to Mexico on a 2018 bid.

They've managed to do it on short notice before in '86 despite suffering from a major earthquake just a year prior. They've hosted in my opinion 2 of the greatest world cups (1970 with Pele and 1986 with Maradonna ), have a lucrative domestic league. adequete stadiums, stability, a great soccer culture, and decent infrastructure. In fact I'd say they're in a much better position to host it then SA. And besides 2018 is going to England and 2022 to the US:)

Dominican2dacore
July 15th, 2008, 04:40 AM
Been to Mexico, it is too dangerous for travellers.

As a back up to S.A. You have to pick a 1st world nation.

Canada, Oz, England, etc.. (not the USA, I was shocked at how many poor people they have and had trouble distinguishing it from Mexico). For a nation that harps on about how religious it is, I think they have trouble distinguishing their worship of money to that of a God.

Personally I don't think somewhere like S.A. should be hosting World Cups and spending valuable resources when they should be spending the money on housing projects, education and welfare.

To give you an idea how nasty things are in S.A. The British Army sends their doctors there in order to get 'battle prepared.'

It is purely political having it in S.A.
If the US isn't a first world nation then I dk what the hell your definition of one is.:nuts:

IHaveNoLegs
July 15th, 2008, 05:06 AM
bob the builder ruins another thread, fantastic.
agree with mo's comments. mexico simply wouldn't be ready in 2010, could make a good bid for 2018.

elgoyo
July 15th, 2008, 05:18 AM
I don't mind back up proposals but at least be sensible enough to propose back up countries that have 8 40,000 seat venues ready tomorrow. Please don't propose dairy farmers hicks village stadium in townsville and expect anybody to take you seriously. If South Africa needs back up venues, it has Newlands, Kings Park and others already in existence

Mexico as a back up is laughable. Ideally the back up host should have venues that meet FIFA requirements.

FIFA's back ups are Germany, England and USA, even if Blatter has not even had the decency to contact these nations to discuss being a back up.

Mexico has way better stadiums, soccer leagues and tourism infrastructure then South Africa, so why the laugh??

Benjuk
July 15th, 2008, 05:34 AM
What cracks me up the most is the hysteria about one of the stadiums being so far behind schedule that it won't be ready in time (then, in a very small, throwaway comment, the note that it won't be ready for the Confederations Cup ONE YEAR BEFORE the finals).

Some people don't want to hear the truth. South Africa appears likely to have every they said they would have by the time the finals come round. The only worry that really remains is the law and order issue - and frankly, I don't recall tales of cricket and/or rugby fans being mugged, raped or murdered en-mass over the last decades worth of tournaments and tours.

Benn
July 15th, 2008, 05:50 AM
Well it's all very hypothetical at this point, and I for one expect South Africa to host, and do a good job of it. But it is good to have a plan B just in case at any rate.

HUSKER
July 15th, 2008, 06:21 AM
Mexico is not, and will not, be ready to host a WC anytime soon., Many folks here in Mexico have the crazy idea that our stadium infraestrucure is still one of the best in the world, when in reallity we are 2nd tier., many over 20 years old., The only new stadiums with construction under way are the 45 k chivas stadium and the 29 k (expandible to 38 k) New santos laguna stadium., Im mexican but I have a neutral opinion because i've seen what other countries have donde with many new stadiums.

hngcm
July 15th, 2008, 07:03 AM
Mexico has way better stadiums, soccer leagues and tourism infrastructure then South Africa, so why the laugh??

Soccer league?

Yes.

Tourism infrastructure?

Maybe.

Stadiums?

Hell no.

I'm sorry but besides Azteca and the new Chivas stadium, the rest of the stadiums don't really compare to the brand new stadiums in South Africa.

theespecialone
July 15th, 2008, 07:51 AM
mexico hosting for a 3rd time is just unfair

BobDaBuilder
July 15th, 2008, 08:27 AM
It would be a Mexican standoff if they got it.

Mo Rush
July 15th, 2008, 08:48 AM
Mexico has way better stadiums

I disagree. We have a set of high capacity world class existing venues that aren't even being used for 2010 and have been used to host major events from world cups to manchester united matches to major concerts. Im not saying that Mexico doesn't have this, just that many are not aware of the wide range of venues South Africa already has.

We have two world class venues in Newlands and Kings Park, that aren't being used for the world cup. Both have 50,000 capacity.

theespecialone
July 15th, 2008, 09:23 AM
south africa will host a great world cup

Durbsboi
July 15th, 2008, 10:39 AM
Ah Jeez, not one of these threads again.
Squabble all you want, but come next year Feb, I will purchase my tickets for the WC in SA for 2010, then will wait in anticipation for the opening ceremony at Soccer City, Soweto, which at the time will be the best football stadium in the world. :cheers2:

If you really think we that far behind I encourage you to click on the link of my signature, add it to your favourite on you explorer, everytime you log onto the internet, just visit the link, look at the progress being made day by day on these stadiums. Its astonishing to say the least.

MoreOrLess
July 15th, 2008, 03:35 PM
I disagree. We have a set of high capacity world class existing venues that aren't even being used for 2010 and have been used to host major events from world cups to manchester united matches to major concerts. Im not saying that Mexico doesn't have this, just that many are not aware of the wide range of venues South Africa already has.

We have two world class venues in Newlands and Kings Park, that aren't being used for the world cup. Both have 50,000 capacity.

Whats more those stadiums mean that if there is some problem with other venues you have an obvious fallback. Granted it would break some guidelines unless the Durban and Capetown stadiums where the ones behind sedual but FIFA is not going to take away a WC that they have so much invested in politically or finanically because of that.

Benjuk
July 16th, 2008, 12:10 AM
Ah Jeez, not one of these threads again.
Squabble all you want, but come next year Feb, I will purchase my tickets for the WC in SA for 2010, then will wait in anticipation for the opening ceremony at Soccer City, Soweto, which at the time will be the best football stadium in the world. :cheers2:

If you really think we that far behind I encourage you to click on the link of my signature, add it to your favourite on you explorer, everytime you log onto the internet, just visit the link, look at the progress being made day by day on these stadiums. Its astonishing to say the least.

I don't think anyone doubts that SA can and will host a great finals tournament - I started this thread because I found it amusing to see the head of the Mexican FA suggesting that they are a back-up, when they don't currently have facilities that match up to FIFA's minimum standards. Most of the rest of the thread appears to be arguing about whether they do or don't rather than SA's ability to host.

For the record, as previously stated, I'll be in SA for the finals in 2010 as well... Can't wait.

Benjuk
July 16th, 2008, 12:19 AM
I disagree. We have a set of high capacity world class existing venues that aren't even being used for 2010 and have been used to host major events from world cups to manchester united matches to major concerts. Im not saying that Mexico doesn't have this, just that many are not aware of the wide range of venues South Africa already has.

We have two world class venues in Newlands and Kings Park, that aren't being used for the world cup. Both have 50,000 capacity.

A comment, and a fact, that many supporters of prospective bids should pay attention to. Looking around the existing SA stadiums on WorldStadiums.com and noting the number of large-scale venues that aren't being used - you realise that nations like England (for example) will have to do a lot more than just plod out the existing stadia and a couple of upgrades to match what is happening down there for 2010.

woozoo
July 16th, 2008, 12:25 AM
So, you're using an arbitrary table with no proper identification or measurables, without substantiating it's source or authenticity, and citing that as the basis for your argument? Remind me not to use you as my lawyer.
Sorry. It's from a UNICEF report into world poverty and the well being of children.
http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.raisethehammer.org/images/unicef_relative_income_poverty.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.raisethehammer.org/blog/494/&h=378&w=400&sz=52&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=eKLu4-w4r8vUsM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpoverty%2Bby%2Bcountry%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
By the way I'm not saying that the US would host a bad world cup. I think they would host a very good world cup. The country has the best stadiums and infrastructure and is well organized so could stage a fantastic event.

IF something happens in South Africa which would prevent it hosting the cup, then I would be happy for USA to host it. In fact USA would be my first pick since Europe had the cup in 2006 and Japan in 2002 (I think it should go to another confederation).

However I don't see why South Africa would not be able to host the cup. I still haven't read anything which makes me think there will be a problem, at all.




I found it amusing to see the head of the Mexican FA suggesting that they are a back-up, when they don't currently have facilities that match up to FIFA's minimum standards.
I agree. I don't see how Mexico could host the cup, let alone with competition from the US, European countries, Japan.

theespecialone
July 16th, 2008, 04:45 AM
south africa has proven it can host major tournaments and it will be more than capable of hosting the biggest event in the world.

Inaki Vazquez
July 24th, 2008, 08:32 PM
Well the Tijuana Stadium is already finish in it first "etapa" ... for 13,300 fans .. !!!

if you want to watch imagen of the stadium go to www.xolos.com.mx

Harkeb
July 25th, 2008, 12:57 PM
^thanks. Blatter is going senile ;) Plan B is good, but only when plan A had collapsed.
Also very strange how Mexico has suddenly replaced Australia as Plan B.
Jeez, even Plan B isnt Plan B anymore!

What does the old sinew reckon SA should do with these
very well progressed stadia... vv

Durban
http://i38.tinypic.com/s6qi6q.jpg

Cape Town
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3186/2696283809_ea44364c31_o.jpg

Johannesburg #1
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f119/Puleza/Johannesburg/P1090516.jpg

Johannesburg #2
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/2010%20General/ellisprogress1.jpg

Port Elizabeth
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd197/lukekbentley/DSCN2577.jpg

Pretoria
http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/tournament/loc/b08gfada03%5f57237%5ffull-lnd.jpg

That's besides the billions spent on new hotels,
a new Airport & the upgrading of all other airports in anticipation?

annman
July 25th, 2008, 01:34 PM
Anyone that argues that South Africa will not be ready is just ignorant, that's all. They haven't done their homework and looked at the construction progress, the upgraded tourism infrastructure, fan park plans, stadia construction, airport upgrades, hotel developments etc.

Here in South Africa there is generally a feel that after June 2010 the world will blow-up; cease to exist!!! Almost every single project here, even malls, hotels, apartments, offices, road and freeway works, all have a 2010 deadline. This country is currently a forest of cranes, come 2010 all will be in place...

Anyone with doubts... go to our forums in South Africa first, look at the developments, look at the progress, then only post a comment once you can make an informed opinion.

JohanSA
July 25th, 2008, 01:55 PM
And people dont ever again say that we should have used the money for houses and whatever. To put the worldcup cost in perspective :

Worldcup cost ( stadia and other worldcup related things ) - around R20 billion
Gautrain - R25 billion
Power supply expansion program - R1 trillion +
Other infrastructure projects - R500 billion
BRT systems for cpt pta jhb - R2.5 billion + R1.5 billion + R2 billion
Contingency savings fund in budget - R20 billion

Housing and health and crime problems you dont solve with just money . Throwing a R100 note at a baby with HIV wont cure him neither will money suddenly spawn engineers!

annman
July 25th, 2008, 02:00 PM
^^ I think what you're trying to say Johan, just so that people don't over-respond to your comment... is that the 2010 FIFA WC is an investment in the country to receive a positive return on that investment. Better infrastructure, more global visibility, better national marketing and increased tourism turns into more Foreign Direct Investment, more development, more money in the country's coffers in the long-term and thus more in the long-run for poverty alleviation, than just throwing the money currently used for the 2010 FIFA WC at government departments.

Lydon
July 25th, 2008, 04:23 PM
To those who think we won't be ready come 2010 - enjoy wherever you plan on being, because I will most definitely be over here enjoying the WC with thousands of other people.

6-6-6
July 25th, 2008, 11:07 PM
i hope mexico doesnt host the world cup with SA. if they dont finish the proyects in time, thats their problem, but just dont ask for help to other countries to co-host the cup.

Lydon
July 25th, 2008, 11:17 PM
i hope mexico doesnt host the world cup with SA. if they dont finish the proyects in time, thats their problem, but just dont ask for help to other countries to co-host the cup.

We aren't asking for help, they're offering it where it isn't needed :lol:

Benjuk
July 26th, 2008, 12:55 AM
i hope mexico doesnt host the world cup with SA. if they dont finish the proyects in time, thats their problem, but just dont ask for help to other countries to co-host the cup.

It's not going to happen. As said before - the worries about the stadiums not being ready on time are a joke - the only one that is significantly behind schedule was due for completion a year before the finals... So it's safe to say that it will be ready for 2010.

I don't know whether it's public knowledge, but Nurenburg's stadium didn't have a safety certificate a month before the finals in 2006 and there never seemed to be any panic there.

theespecialone
July 26th, 2008, 09:47 AM
i hope mexico doesnt host the world cup with SA. if they dont finish the proyects in time, thats their problem, but just dont ask for help to other countries to co-host the cup.

of course-south africa and mexico will co-host the world's biggest event

annman
July 27th, 2008, 10:16 PM
of course-south africa and mexico will co-host the world's biggest event
Huh?!!! Hope that's sarcasm... :)

Rizzato
July 27th, 2008, 10:33 PM
So let me get this straight, its going to be a joint World Cup, South Africa-Mexico 2010??
with proper wind conditions Ive heard a plane can do Cape Town to Mex City in more than 1.5 hours, but less than 3.2 hours

JohanSA
July 28th, 2008, 10:06 AM
Cape Town to Johannesburg is 1.5 hours flight. Cpt Mexico is around 10 - 12 hours.

For those who didnt catch that theespecialone was being sarcastic - no no shared worldcup .

theespecialone
July 28th, 2008, 01:53 PM
So let me get this straight, its going to be a joint World Cup, South Africa-Mexico 2010??
with proper wind conditions Ive heard a plane can do Cape Town to Mex City in more than 1.5 hours, but less than 3.2 hours

if you travel by whale it takes 45 minutes

annman
July 28th, 2008, 02:28 PM
^^ HEHE! SuperSonic Southern Right Jet Whale Express!

Guys who do not get it yet... The World Cup in 2010 is ONLY in South Africa and will not be moved, unless an asteroid hits southern Africa!

dysan1
July 29th, 2008, 05:09 PM
^^ ya then i think the whole world will be no more...eish

Demetrius
July 30th, 2008, 10:07 AM
Where's "Mexio"? :D

Durbsboi
July 30th, 2008, 10:18 AM
since the basic topic of this thread was missed, I suggest for it to be closed.

Thank you very much

www.sercan.de
July 30th, 2008, 11:27 AM
Exactly.
2010 FIFA World Cup will be in SOUTH AFRICA!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/7/79/Logo_Fifa_World_Cup_2010_South_Africa.svg/525px-Logo_Fifa_World_Cup_2010_South_Africa.svg.png

berkshire royal
September 10th, 2008, 02:43 PM
Can someone please put up some photos and updates on some of the new stadiums that are being built such as

Arena Indios, which I read broke ground in December 2007.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Arena_Indios.PNG

Estadio Caliente, which I know the first phase was finished in late 2007 and from what I have read construction of the second phase is now under construction apparently.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Estadio_Caliente.PNG

Nueva Azul I haven't heard much or seen many pictures of the new stadium so can someone update me on that. This is the only pic I found which isn't of great quality

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/NEsAz.PNG

Nuevo Estadio Corona which I know is expected to be finished in 1 years time so should be pretty far ahead in the stadiums construction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/TSM.PNG

And Nuevo Estadio Mérida which broke ground just recently in June but I couldn't find any pics of the stadium so would like to see what this will look like.
I'm sure I have missed something so I would be very interested to hear of any other stadium project I forgot to mention excluding the new stadiums in Monterray that is.
Mexico is going through a stadium boom clearly and these projects are all very impressive and what I like is that each and every one is very different from the other proposals in Mexico, which isn't common when there is a load of new stadiums in 1 country.

Kuvvaci
September 10th, 2008, 04:12 PM
I hope one day Mexico will host World Cup again.

gugasounds
September 10th, 2008, 10:51 PM
I hope one day Mexico will host World Cup again.

for sure, Mexico will bid for world cup soon, all these new projects will help a lot

building demolisher
September 11th, 2008, 12:13 AM
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/170/estadiooy1.png



:lol: looks like the "auditorio telmex" in Guadalajara, only on the part that say "corona"

very nice stadium :cheers:, Torreon deserve it

HUSKER
September 11th, 2008, 12:50 AM
Updates from "Estadio Nuevo Corona"., Torreon, Coah. Cap: 28914 (After expansion 38,000).

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1609/215276409jomccdiesepvlvzd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/5808/255164343lifqnmqqegbmoqyv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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larsul
September 11th, 2008, 01:53 AM
Somebody got the photos from the new proyect of Monterrey new stadium?
Thanks

Protteus
September 11th, 2008, 05:41 AM
Can someone please put up some photos and updates on some of the new stadiums that are being built such as

Arena Indios, which I read broke ground in December 2007.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Arena_Indios.PNG

Estadio Caliente, which I know the first phase was finished in late 2007 and from what I have read construction of the second phase is now under construction apparently.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79/Estadio_Caliente.PNG

Nueva Azul I haven't heard much or seen many pictures of the new stadium so can someone update me on that. This is the only pic I found which isn't of great quality

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/NEsAz.PNG

Nuevo Estadio Corona which I know is expected to be finished in 1 years time so should be pretty far ahead in the stadiums construction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/61/TSM.PNG

And Nuevo Estadio Mérida which broke ground just recently in June but I couldn't find any pics of the stadium so would like to see what this will look like.
I'm sure I have missed something so I would be very interested to hear of any other stadium project I forgot to mention excluding the new stadiums in Monterray that is.
Mexico is going through a stadium boom clearly and these projects are all very impressive and what I like is that each and every one is very different from the other proposals in Mexico, which isn't common when there is a load of new stadiums in 1 country.

-Arena Indios begins its construction this end of the year.
-Estadio Caliente started its second constrution phase this august
-Estadio Azul, well, there's a newer render, but the club have'nt make it oficial
-New Estadio Corona, Husker posted recently updates

larsul
September 12th, 2008, 09:04 PM
We will have a worldcup sooner than you think.
We will have the 2011 Worldcup sub-17..
it's a starter dont you think?

larsul
November 20th, 2008, 07:24 PM
There are rumors about a stadium in Veracruz, any news about that?
thanks

jmlagunebrio
November 21st, 2008, 01:24 AM
maybe in 2018, i think mexico is more attractive than the us

hngcm
November 21st, 2008, 12:01 PM
maybe in 2018, i think mexico is more attractive than the us

hahha...

HUSKER
November 21st, 2008, 08:55 PM
There are rumors about a stadium in Veracruz, any news about that?
thanks

Only rumors.. Veracruz is a longshot for a new stadium, their team is in dire straits because of the failed ownership.- And also they do not have any money.- The state government has failed in more than two ocasions having part ownership in "los tiburones rojos" and they will NOT invest another peso in that team.

larsul
November 21st, 2008, 09:28 PM
Only rumors.. Veracruz is a longshot for a new stadium, their team is in dire straits because of the failed ownership.- And also they do not have any money.- The state government has failed in more than two ocasions having part ownership in "los tiburones rojos" and they will NOT invest another peso in that team.

It is a shame though.. they had good attendances and it is between the 5 major cities in Mexico..

Don Omar
December 7th, 2008, 06:14 AM
HOK Sport reveal glowing windmill design
HOK Sport unveils designs for the Estadio Internacional Monterrey, Mexico

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/10814_1_estadio1big.jpg

Tuesday 02 Dec 2008
worldarchitecturenews.com (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=10814)

Initial concept designs for the new 80,000 seat international stadium in Monterrey, Mexico, have been released by the designers HOK Sport. The design for the multi‐purpose venue situated close to the centre of Monterrey has been inspired by traditional Mexican themes and the stadium will accommodate soccer and NFL, as well as a capability for an international standard athletics track using a raised platform concept.

The design was inspired by a symbol of Mexican festivities – the ‘rehilete’ – a windmill that is given to children each year to celebrate National Day in Mexico. The windmill form has informed the overall composition of the stadium, with the design based on eight translucent overlapping leaves and which, by the use of variable lighting, can be made to appear to turn like a fan. The leaves will be constructed of steel mesh which will provide sun shading in a ‘weave’ based on traditional Mexican basket knitting by native Mexicans.

The stadium is to be constructed on a circular land bridge over the dry Santa Catarina River, creating both a physical and symbolic link between the northern and southern parts of the city.

Rod Sheard of HOK Sport said ‘’Mexico has so many wonderful traditions and a love of sport which is infectious; their ‘Ola Mexicana’, the Mexican Wave, has been adopted all over the world as a statement of people having fun, celebrating life. The wave originated in Mexico in 1984 from the University Stadium in an exhibition game between Mexico and Argentina. We were enthusiastic to design a stadium that possessed something of that magic, fun loving spirit and evoking the roots of the Mexican pre Hispanic culture’’.

César Esparza, CEO of Estadio Internacional Monterrey, said "We have been blessed by working with Rod Sheard’s team at HOK Sport. They have exceeded our very ambitious expectations and have developed a true global icon that will boost Monterrey’s image as a world class city. This stadium will put Monterrey on the world map".


--> en azul y verde también
http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/10814_2_Estadio2big.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/10814_3_estadio3big.jpg

HUSKER
December 7th, 2008, 07:14 AM
^^^^^^That stadium will not be built.- Its just a very longshot project with no financial viability.

jmlagunebrio
December 8th, 2008, 12:04 AM
I agree with you Husker, also there were a lot of arguments against this stadium because of its location, the design is really good

larsul
December 8th, 2008, 06:25 AM
Why did they put this stadium? that will no be constructed...

larsul
January 20th, 2009, 02:56 AM
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838128_estadio_int2_tiro_de_esq.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838211_estadio_ext3a.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838371_estadio_detalle2.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838462_estadio_esquina_arriba1.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838522_estadio_ext1.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838603_estadio_int1.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213838745_estadio_noche1.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213839002_estadio_puente1a.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/palomo_19/1213839181_estadio_ext2.jpg

Bobby3
January 20th, 2009, 03:47 AM
What team would use that?

Carrerra
January 20th, 2009, 03:59 AM
Capacity?

www.sercan.de
January 20th, 2009, 03:33 PM
you have so many palcos in every stadium
its insane :)

Carrerra
January 20th, 2009, 04:29 PM
Indeed. It has palcos in every direction

larsul
January 21st, 2009, 02:39 AM
It will be used for Venados de Yucatan or Merida FC.
OF course it has palcos or boxes, that is a good financing tool here in Latinoamerica, the capacity will be around 30,000 thousand.
Greetings.

velazquez
January 22nd, 2009, 03:03 AM
chivas stadium updates
pictures by prub

hola,
Tengo un buen rato siguiendo el foro y aproveche mi viaje a guadalajara para tomar unas fotos al estadio.

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memoboy
February 18th, 2009, 02:08 AM
Divide opiniones Estadio Internacional de Monterrey



Monterrey,NL.- Inversionistas privados insisten en la construcción del “Estadio Internacional Monterrey” sobre el lecho del río Santa Catarina que tendrá una inversión de 350 millones de dólares.

Un grupo de diputados locales, encabezados por el presidente del Congreso, Gregorio Hurtado Leija, se reunieron con el arquitecto Rod Sheard para conocer mas detalles del proyecto.

El equipo de trabajo de los inversionistas encabezado por el experto australiano realizó una presentación de la sede deportiva que estaría ubicado en la zona del estacionamiento del Parque Fundidora en el lecho del río Santa Catarina.

Entre las obras de Sheard, se incluyen el estadio olímpico de Sidney, el Emirates Stadium y el nuevo estadio de Wembley, considerado la “Catedral del Futbol, según el portal www.estadiointernacionalmonterrey.com.

Destacaron que con esta innovadora obra se pretende aprovechar tanto la infraestructura actual de estacionamientos en la zona asi como la oportunidad que brinda el Río Santa Catarina para crear un sistema de estacionamientos remotos conectados por un tren de calle como sucede en los parques de Disney.

La inversión estimada solamente del estadio, sería de por lo menos 350 millones de dólares, recuperando la inversión en 25 años, o incluso menor tiempo, dependiendo de los eventos a realizarse.

Asimismo se contempla otra inversión vial de 150 millones de dólares, misma que ha sido solicitada al Gobierno Federal.

Al final de la presentación hubo opiniones divididas de los legisladores pues mientras unos ven positiva la inversión para atraer mas turismo y generación de empleos, otros lo ven casi imposible ya que está en marcha la construcción de otro inmueble similar como lo es de los Rayados en los terrenos del Parque La Pastora.

“Efectivamente hablaban de un poco más de 350 millones de dólares que costaría posiblemente la construcción del propio estadio más infraestructura que se requeriría como algunas vialidades que pudieran requerirse”, comentó el presidente del Congreso, Gregorio Hurtado Leija.

Debido a que la ubicación es en terreno federal, no necesitan un permiso del Congreso, agregó, pero si del gobierno federal y probablemente ya lo tienen.

“Propiamente por encontrarse en la zona del Río Santa Catarina según el proyecto que nos comentaron lo que se requiere es permiso federales, que posiblemente ya los tienen listos y en eso no intervendríamos nosotros, en lo que pudiéramos nosotros participar sería para infraestructura como una vialidad de que tendríamos que autorizar alguna partido para ello, pero ellos ya tienen la mayor parte de la inversión”..

Rod Sheard, quien radica en Londres, es miembro del Royal Institute of British Architects (Real Instituto de Arquitectos británicos), fue el director y accionista principal de la empresa LOBB Sports Architecture hasta su fusión con HOK en 1998 para formar la firma líder en diseño de infraestructura deportiva del mundo. Cabe señalar que el estadio que FEMSA pretende construir en los terrenos del Parque La Pastora, tendría un consto de 200 millones de dólares a recuperarse en 60 años, tiempo que coincide con la vida promedio de una estructura deportiva, mientras que la vialidad sería aportada por el Gobierno del Estado.

Fuente: Divide opiniones Estadio Internacional Monterrey (http://www.mnoticias.com.mx/id.pl?id=15628&relax=estadio%20internacinal%20%20de%20monterrey&mensub=Noticias&pub=Congreso%20Estatal&portal=MNOTICIAS)

:cheers:

La nota en elnorte.com

Afirman que revive plan de estadio


Rod Sheard, senior principal de la firma HOK, presentó ayer el proyecto del Estadio Internacional Monterrey a los legisladores del Estado.
Foto: Édgar Montelongo


De acuerdo a los directivos del EIM, los tres niveles del Gobierno han sido informados y han participado en etapas preliminares

Jaime Garza


Monterrey, México (17 febrero 2009).- El proyecto del Estadio Internacional Monterrey, diseñado por HOK Sport Architecture y que se pretende construir en el Río Santa Catarina, entre los Parques Fundidora y España, fue revivido ayer por sus impulsores.

En un comunicado enviado por FWD Consultores, a nombre del Consejo del Estadio Internacional Monterrey (EIM), inmueble diseñado por el australiano Rod Sheard, senior principal de la firma HOK, dieron a conocer los planes de lo que sería el primer estadio de quinta generación en América Latina.

El escrito señala que el inmueble podría albergar diversos deportes, además de eventos de nivel mundial como los Juegos Olímpicos, el Súper Tazón de la NFL o un Mundial. También podría alojar eventos culturales o de otra índole, como conciertos.

El comunicado detalla que el financiamiento del estadio, cuyo costo ronda poco más de los 300 millones de dólares y que contaría con una capacidad para más de 70 mil personas, estaría a cargo de la empresa International Stadia Group (ISG), que ha confirmado la disponibilidad de recursos y su interés por iniciar el proyecto lo antes posible.

"Este es el proyecto que más me entusiasma, ya que revolucionará la arquitectura de este tipo de construcciones, no sólo en México, sino en toda América Latina", dice Sheard.

De acuerdo a los directivos del EIM, los tres niveles del Gobierno han sido informados y han participado en etapas preliminares. Además, anuncian que dentro de los planes de Sheard está reunirse con el Gobernador del Estado, José Natividad González Parás.

Presentan proyecto a diputados

Ayer por la tarde, Sheard y su grupo de trabajo sostuvieron una reunión abierta a los medios, que en principio iba a ser privada, con legisladores del Congreso del Estado, quienes hicieron cuestionamientos sobre la vialidad y seguridad que se necesita, al estar ubicado sobre el Río Santa Catarina.

El Diputado Ángel Valle de la O, del PAN, preguntó sobre las vialidades que se requerirán, a lo que el empresario Jorge Chapa, impulsor del proyecto, contestó que serán 150 millones de dólares de recursos federales para infraestructura vial a ejecutar en los alrededores del estadio.

"Es un terreno donde no hay vecinos, nadie se opone y no se utiliza. Estamos pidiendo apoyo federal por 150 millones de dólares por adecuaciones viales; ya estuvimos en la Presidencia (de la República) para que no sea haga sólo un esfuerzo estatal, sino que tengamos un apoyo federal", contestó Chapa a los diputados.

"Porque esto es algo que le conviene a México. Nuestro país no puede aspirar a una Olimpiada o a una sede del Mundial con los estadios que actualmente tiene. Los últimos estadios grandes con estándares internacionales los hizo el Presidente (Gustavo) Díaz Ordaz en el 66: el Azteca y el Universitario".

El legislador Gilberto Treviño Aguirre, del grupo legislativo del PRI, cuestionó sobre la seguridad del estadio sobre el Río Santa Catarina, a lo que Paul Westbury, senior principal de Buro Happol, señaló que el proyecto será construido sobre una estructura similar a puentes, por lo que será completamente confiable.

"La estructura que sostiene al estadio es como cualquier otra estructura de cualquier puente: lo suficientemente robusta para albergar el estadio en forma segura", aclaró Westbury.

El estadio estaría sobre 250 metros de diámetro en 4 hectáreas, superficie que representa los espacios que une al Parque España con el Parque Fundidora.

Gregorio Hurtado Leija, presidente del Congreso del Estado, afirmó que el Consejo del Estadio Internacional Monterrey ya tiene los permisos federales.

En el evento no detallaron qué otros inversionistas están detrás del proyecto.

Finalizada la reunión, cerca de las 19:00 horas, ni Sheard, ni Chapa aceptaron dar entrevistas, pues afirmaron que tenían que cumplir con la presentación de su proyecto en el Teatro de la Ciudad para público en general.

17-Febrero-2009
Presumen planes de estadio en Monterrey
De la redacción

http://i39.tinypic.com/t9f907.jpg
Los planes para construir un nuevo estadio en la ciudad de Monterrey se han reactivado.

El arquitecto australiano Rod Sheard presentó una conferencia ante autoridades de Nuevo León, legisladores, inversionistas y representantes de la sociedad regiomontana, para detallar los beneficios que podría generar la edificación del Estadio Internacional Monterrey (EIM).

“Éste es el proyecto que más me entusiasma, ya que revolucionará la arquitectura de este tipo de construcciones, no sólo en México sino en toda América Latina”, comentó Sheard, quien explicó que sería el primer estadio de quinta generación en América Latina.

Con el fin de convencer a los presentes, el experto agregó que la empresa International Stadia Group (ISG) está en posibilidades de financiar los más de 300 millones de dólares que se necesitarían para llevar a cabo la edificación del inmueble.

Mencionó que la crisis económica que afecta al mundo entero no sería factor para que la obra no llegara a buen término.

Se tiene contemplado que el estadio cuente con una capacidad para más de 70 mil personas. Sólo el estadio Azteca lo superaría en el rubro.

De acuerdo con los directivos del EIM, el gobierno local ha mostrando gran interés por los beneficios sociales y económicos que este proyecto llevará a la ciudad.

En los próximos días, Sheard planea reunirse con el gobernador de la entidad, Natividad González Parás, con el fin de expresarle su interés en que el proyecto se desarrolle.
http://www.exonline.com.mx/diario/noticia/adrenalina/futbolsoccer/presumen_planes_de_estadio_en_monterrey/509951

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9518/34htbszlj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/34htbszlj6.jpg/1/w700.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img403/34htbszlj6.jpg/1/)

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7910/frankensteiniamaliveox6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

HE IS ALIVE!.....

Alemanniafan
February 18th, 2009, 02:23 AM
HOK Sport reveal glowing windmill design
HOK Sport unveils designs for the Estadio Internacional Monterrey, Mexico
...
What a lovely little fairytale... If only it were somewhat realistic.
I really missed the chapter where the Windmillstadium starts rotating to take off and fly from city to city...

But seriously... who in the world is gonna be rich, generous and stupid enough to finance a construction of an entire stadium on top of a river???

larsul
February 18th, 2009, 02:52 AM
^^ I agree jajaja
That joke made my day.. jajaja

memoboy
February 18th, 2009, 03:10 AM
What a lovely little fairytale... If only it were somewhat realistic.
I really missed the chapter where the Windmillstadium starts rotating to take off and fly from city to city...

But seriously... who in the world is gonna be rich, generous and stupid enough to finance a construction of an entire stadium on top of a river???

the same rich, generous and stupid people who finance a construction of an entire river on top a another river!:lol:

in germany
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1649/puente1ym3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/puente1ym3.jpg/1/w400.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img18/puente1ym3.jpg/1/)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8107/puente2cy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/puente2cy9.jpg/1/w400.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img253/puente2cy9.jpg/1/)

Alemanniafan
February 18th, 2009, 04:55 AM
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1649/puente1ym3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/puente1ym3.jpg/1/w400.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img18/puente1ym3.jpg/1/)

:lol: Now that's what I call a truely wonderfull spot for a nice futuristic 200k+ stadium to be built on. :cheers:

F-ian
February 18th, 2009, 08:19 AM
Awesome Stadias! :okay:

larsul
February 21st, 2009, 07:54 PM
Thanks man, we try to do our best.. :D

JYDA
March 8th, 2009, 05:51 AM
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9245/estadioatlantekb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6657/estadioatlante1gl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

These are the pictures of the first phase. The stadium built in Cancun, Mexico will host 20,000 fans. The next phase in a couple of years will hold 40,000

Very disappointing stadium. Cheap design and the athletics track is AWFUL!

One more thing.... has there been any talk of a new stadium for Pumas?? Have they ever been able to fill the Olympic Stadium??

cmc
May 15th, 2009, 07:51 AM
MEXICO - Stadium and Arena Development News
UPDATE...1st Page UPDATE


Under Construction

Estadio Chivas-Chivas Stadium-45,000
Guadalajara
C.D. Guadalajara Chivas

http://www.footballpictures.net/data/thumbnails/16/chivas-logo.jpg
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/6901/grfico2l.jpg
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2991/estadio.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/473/ch031yr.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/3671/ch045iv.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/8154/ch057li.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/2015/ch073dm.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/2323/ch177na.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/1933/ch192mg.jpg
http://img213.echo.cx/img213/3189/ch183yn.jpghttp://img213.echo.cx/img213/7167/ch205gc.jpg
(Pictures by Enrique MX)
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8832/75548741.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8847/13955608.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3803/13035846.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9608/67372281.jpg


Arena Indios-36,000+
Ciudad Juarez
C.F. Indios
http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portalv2/aspx/SIID_ImagenLogo.aspx?id=28|1
(Pictures from MedioTiempo.com)
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7995/1048101050a2re5.jpghttp://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8567/10481f015ejq3.jpg
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5803/10482f2a43ec9.jpghttp://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6683/10483f4abbdf3.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1791/10484f77b7wq1.jpghttp://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8629/10485f97d2mo9.jpg


Estadio Corona-Territorio Santos Laguna-28,000+
Torreon
Club Santos Laguna
http://www.gmodelo.com.mx/images/logo_santos_laguna.gif
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3131/estadiogrande1lu8.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3177/tsmcollage3pr0.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8898/tsmi.jpg


Estadio Caliente-33,000+
Tijuana
Club Tijuana-Xoloitzcuintles-Primera Division A
http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portalv2/aspx/SIID_ImagenLogo.aspx?id=1779|1
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2219/picture10wq1.png
http://blogs.mediotiempo.com/wp-content/uploads/6.jpg


EB Arena Cora-22,000
Tepic
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6378/fotonayaritca04j8z5gf3.jpg

Arena Ciudad de Mexico-22,000
Mexico City
https://6qdzrw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1mnfEvRWFd2yW6trWjtk8Lz3tqhA2ZiK2ced5-EhKCDSoHq42LNh8G38kDM11hHr-EKvxECUZr_L4caYTIaspW86Isoz0vC5CS1r7Hj1gq7roSMwx7NW0nsXq0jkk5XPbw5LDS73m2voTLqbAUxOYwmw/arena-ciudad-de-mexico%5B8%5D.jpghttp://alconcierto.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/interior-arena-ciudad-de-mexico.jpg
http://www.imagefreak.net/p17/5mailsxx.jpghttp://eleconomista.com.mx/files/imagecache/400x300/files/arena_df.jpg



Proposed

Estadio de Futbol Monterrey-50,000
Monterrey
CF Monterrey
http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portalv2/aspx/SIID_ImagenLogo.aspx?id=12|1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/antgar/WP_1024x768_9.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3702/estadiointeriorrp0.jpg
http://zonarayada.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/estadio_futbol_monterrey_02.jpg
http://zonarayada.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/estadio_futbol_monterrey.jpg

SIC
May 15th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Very disappointing stadium. Cheap design and the athletics track is AWFUL!

One more thing.... has there been any talk of a new stadium for Pumas?? Have they ever been able to fill the Olympic Stadium??

If you removed the track and put in field turf, it would look just like BMO field. :cheers:

JYDA
May 15th, 2009, 08:33 PM
^^^ zing!

salaverryo
May 15th, 2009, 10:02 PM
Los estadios de Tijuana y de Ciudad Juarez que los financeen los pinches narcos, que tienen chingo de billetes. A ver si asi los bueyes de perdido sirven para algo bueno, no?

gugasounds
May 16th, 2009, 12:38 AM
What team would use that?

Venados de Mérida
Mérida Bucks

gugasounds
May 16th, 2009, 12:47 AM
Very disappointing stadium. Cheap design and the athletics track is AWFUL!

One more thing.... has there been any talk of a new stadium for Pumas?? Have they ever been able to fill the Olympic Stadium??

No, I really don´t think Pumas will move to a new stadium in the next 20 years.
Actually Olympic stadium is always 60% of its capacity on every Pumas game.
Also I don´t think Olympic stadium can be redeveloped or updated, because is considered an historic place by local government and unesco, they can´t even paint the stadium without special permission, that sucks.
About five or four years ago they installed a new jumbotron screen to replace old scoreboard, that´s the only update the stadim has recived in years.:ohno:

Inaki Vazquez
June 4th, 2009, 04:34 PM
This is the new soccer stadium in TJ under construction

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8977/tijstadium3.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tijstadium3.jpg)

www.sercan.de
June 4th, 2009, 04:57 PM
whats the capacity?

JimB
June 4th, 2009, 05:01 PM
This is the new soccer stadium in TJ under construction

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8977/tijstadium3.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tijstadium3.jpg)

It looks a bit small.

larsul
June 4th, 2009, 07:32 PM
It is small because it is a small team..
no more than 30,000 people..the stadium is still in construction.

Inaki Vazquez
June 4th, 2009, 09:11 PM
It is small because it is a small team..
no more than 30,000 people..the stadium is still in construction.


Now its a 13,333, but it already started the construction of the second phase and when its finish it will be a 33,333 stadium ...

Inaki Vazquez
June 4th, 2009, 09:13 PM
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/610/tijstadium2.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tijstadium2.jpg)

A picture taken 2 months ago ..

Inaki Vazquez
June 4th, 2009, 09:20 PM
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/610/tijstadium2.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tijstadium2.jpg)

A picture taken 2 months ago ..

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4951/tijstadium4.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tijstadium4.jpg)

This is the main entrance of the Caliente facilities.. and Caliente Stadium ..

NMAISTER007
June 5th, 2009, 04:56 PM
Wow, nice design ;D

JimB
June 5th, 2009, 06:37 PM
It is small because it is a small team..
no more than 30,000 people..the stadium is still in construction.

Haha!

Sorry, mate. My post wasn't meant to be serious.

It was just that the original poster said "this is the new soccer stadium in TJ under construction" and then added a picture of a miniature model!

sauronbcn
June 8th, 2009, 10:23 AM
edit....

tiocesar
June 8th, 2009, 10:36 PM
No, I really don´t think Pumas will move to a new stadium in the next 20 years.
Actually Olympic stadium is always 60% of its capacity on every Pumas game.
Also I don´t think Olympic stadium can be redeveloped or updated, because is considered an historic place by local government and unesco, they can´t even paint the stadium without special permission, that sucks.
About five or four years ago they installed a new jumbotron screen to replace old scoreboard, that´s the only update the stadim has recived in years.:ohno:

And the stronger fan base of Pumas is in CU (Ciudad Universitaria - University City), that means, the students of UNAM and the local area of Mexico City. Besides, there´s no other uses for the stadium out of Pumas and UNAM's College Football teams. And no words about a new stadium.

wicman
June 23rd, 2009, 05:37 AM
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/889/estadiomorelos.jpg

http://images.snapfish.com/345%3B2338%3B%7Ffp338%3Enu%3D3274%3E646%3E988%3EWSNRCG%3D32334843%3B%3B5%3B%3Bnu0mrj

and the capacity is about 41500... not 38 000.

its the only stadium in México and all latin america with the iso9000

wicman
June 23rd, 2009, 05:42 AM
http://www.futboltotal.com.mx/logosclubes/Estadios/Morelos.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3263571059_d178b003a7.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/99/313741443_62fc8226b5.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3373/3557003510_b6978f53d9.jpg?v=0

orgullosamente michoacano, mexicano y en castellano...:cheers:

hngcm
June 23rd, 2009, 08:04 AM
what's the iso9000

gugasounds
June 24th, 2009, 02:24 AM
^^^^
it´s like a quality standard certification given to restaurants, hotels, stores, etc.

larsul
June 24th, 2009, 11:53 PM
Yes, but still with the ISO9000, it is not even close to the best stadiums in Mexico..

wicman
June 25th, 2009, 02:42 AM
cuales son los mejores estadios de futbol en México?? según tu?

El azteca??
el jalisco?? jajajajaja
cual de todos los vejestorios??
el de Toluca???

el de c.u.?? jajajajaja
tal vez cuando se construya el nuevo estadio de chivas o de santos o del Monterrey, pero aún no...

salu2