Just flicking throught today's paper and on page 46 is a full page of the tallest buildings proposed in the country at the moment, with a rendering of each one.. Schemes included are Brunswick Quay (Liverpool), Glass Needle (Cardiff), Leicester tower scheme, New England Square (Brighton), Obel and Aurora (Belfast), Albany and Eastgate (Manchester), Lumiere (Leeds), Elphinstone (Glasgow), V Building (Birmingham), and LBT, Pinnacle, Columbus, Leadenhall and Heron (although the image shows Roger's Heron Quays scheme but talks of Heron Tower).

anyone else seen it? I havn't a scanner so unless I visit Uni I can't scan it in...so go buy one!

Again shows how behind these newspapers are, Glass Needle in Cardiff doesnt look like its going ahead and the tallest is Bay Pointe anyway lol

Posted article in UK summary thread as well

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I don’t know about the other developments, but in Leicester the Westbridge & 2 other sister towers have planning consent.

They have been designed by the Manchester architects Ian Simpson, who have been behind many of the new great buildings in the North.

It is hoped that they will start work this year.

Why is Columbus included? It was cancelled a long time ago due to the death of the main financer.

Sheffield City Lofts is u/c and is 101m and isnt included.

Great article and good national publicity at last for the provincial cities.

Yes, that list certainly isn't the Top 16 in purely height terms - there are quite a few that have been missed out, and some that are cancelled are still in there!

Oh well, it seems like a positive story anyway.

yeah. someone has been reading skyscrapernews and not understood the concept of "cancelled". i know they have as we deliberately enter parking spaces one off to track who uses what. i wish newspapers would credit sources, but it seems they never do but still its good to see even the mirror now has cottoned on to the skyscraper boom.

Incase anyone is mislead... the decision on the Brighton tower was taken about a month ago and has been rejected by the government who chose to side with the council, so it will definately not be built. The developers will have to redesign it completely.

yeah it even says cancelled on the skyscrapernews page but they put it up then again i told the beeb about a tower that wasnt being built a couple of weeks ago for a tv prog and they featured it anyway!

Again shows how behind these newspapers are, Glass Needle in Cardiff doesnt look like its going ahead and the tallest is Bay Pointe anyway lol


MerdianQuay Swansea should have been there its 108 meters.. Bay Pointe is way off 2014, and quote western mail depends on market condtions..

Just flicking throught today's paper and on page 46 is a full page of the tallest buildings proposed in the country at the moment, with a rendering of each one.. Schemes included are Brunswick Quay (Liverpool), Glass Needle (Cardiff), Leicester tower scheme, New England Square (Brighton), Obel and Aurora (Belfast), Albany and Eastgate (Manchester), Lumiere (Leeds), Elphinstone (Glasgow), V Building (Birmingham), and LBT, Pinnacle, Columbus, Leadenhall and Heron (although the image shows Roger's Heron Quays scheme but talks of Heron Tower).

anyone else seen it? I havn't a scanner so unless I visit Uni I can't scan it in...so go buy one!


Cant beleive they did not put meridianquy swansea there its currently being built 108 meters with restrant on the top overlooking the sea/beach..it will be amazing check out the website
www.meridianquay.com

Probably because Swansea is quite a small city away from the rest of the UK. Bay pointe will go ahead in some form im sure due to the council wanting Cardiff to compete with other regional cities in terms of skyline.

Probably because Swansea is quite a small city away from the rest of the UK
That's funny, I thought it was on the mainland! :nuts:

Cant beleive they did not put meridianquy swansea there its currently being built 108 meters with restrant on the top overlooking the sea/beach..it will be amazing check out the website
www.meridianquay.com

Amazing for Swansea you mean, but not for the Mirror and most of the publics interest, its not amazing outlandish in design is it?

being away from the rest of the Uk doesnt imply its not in the UK, just away from the majority of land that makes up the UK! Not a hard concept to grasp Jim lol

Incase anyone is mislead... the decision on the Brighton tower was taken about a month ago and has been rejected by the government who chose to side with the council, so it will definately not be built. The developers will have to redesign it completely.

Same goes from Brunswick Quay in Liverpool which was rejected by Ruth Kelly and will now not be built in anywhere near that design or scale... good article for publicity but shame they didn't check their facts before going to print..

Criterion Place in Leeds wasn't mentioned and this will be around the same height as Lumiere I think depending on whether they decide to go for a height increase which is the latest rumour at the moment.

Lol...the Heron Tower has the Heron Quay render attached to it....

I dnt think anything in cardiff will compete with meridianquay becuase its overlooking the SEA,, BAY POINTE will look mover the barriage...a huge difference. I live in mumbes I enjoy all watersports including surfing and I have a high quality of life..wot am i trying to say...its all about what is right for you..i would never want to live in cardiff, becuase it can not compete with the things in life which are important to me...

Also are you aware there will also be an indoor surf centre and I indoor SKI centre built in two years....Swansea will have it all from a lesisure view point..which is what I care about...

check out their website www.meridianquay.com

Its overlooking the sea 29 stories with a restarent and cocktail bar on top.

Its also overlooks a Marina and becuase it is close to the city, it is in an exceptional spot....

the daily mirror newspaper is part of the trinity mirror group which also publishes the cardiff echo, the western mail, the wales on sunday and the metro. so in other words the daily mirror is a cardiff biased and anti swansea newspaper. they will never run a good news story about swansea let along anything that will show swansea out doing cardiff, like the fact that the meridian quay tower in swansea will be higher than every building in cardiff and that the glass needle tower in cardiff won't be built. the trinity mirror group just prints cardiff propaganda to make out that cardiff is some great big capital and swansea is just a little fishing village, even though swansea is four times bigger than cardiff and swansea bay could just swallow up cardiff. just keep emailing complaints then will eventually get the message. the cardiff tv and radio media are just as bad. swansea is closer to london and has better transport links with the m4, than most of the english towns and cities and yet the london media similarily will not acknowledge swansea even exists.

I agree with you there has always been a anti swansea campaign from Cardiff, and its typical that the user Cardiff on this forum slates swansea (saying its in the corner of the UK)...its 30 miles from Cardiff!!!!by the sea has a 6 mile BAY which is about to be developed further...Cant wait for Meridianquay to be built, as Cardiff will be truely envious...

Also i note that the User Cardiff states that Bay Pointe will be built in Cardiff BAY because it wants to create a skyline. Believe you me due to my work it will only be built if there is a market there (Bay Pointe will be 5000 flats)..at the moment cardiff bay flats are not selling, not coming in price and new developments are already discounting...i cant see it happening in the current economic climate....

I agree with you there has always been a anti swansea campaign from Cardiff, and its typical that the user Cardiff on this forum slates swansea (saying its in the corner of the UK)...its 30 miles from Cardiff!!!!by the sea has a 6 mile BAY which is about to be developed further...Cant wait for Meridianquay to be built, as Cardiff will be truely envious...

Also i note that the User Cardiff states that Bay Pointe will be built in Cardiff BAY because it wants to create a skyline. Believe you me due to my work it will only be built if there is a market there (Bay Pointe will be 5000 flats)..at the moment cardiff bay flats are not selling, not coming in price and new developments are already discounting...i cant see it happening in the current economic climate....
FACT 1 Cardiff to Swansea is 40 miles
FACT 2 Cardiff Bay has an 8 mile shoreline
FACT 3 Bay Point will have 2500 flats


can't imagine Cardiff will ever be envious of Merdian Quay. Swansea Marina and SA1 is light years behond Cardiff's docklands in terms of offer.

Saying that, this city slagging is quiet pathetic and juvenile. both have their good points, imho Cardiff does have more to offer, however it would be good to see Swansea do some catching up, after all, a little bit of inter city competition can actually benefit both

Amazing for Swansea you mean, but not for the Mirror and most of the publics interest, its not amazing outlandish in design is it?

No, to be fair, I think he has a point mentioning this project. For the size of Swansea this is a massive building. It is a bold(and no it's not outlandish but quite an attractive design IMO)move, and the article was about buildings starting to reach for the skies in our cities and I think this is one of the best, if not the best examples considering the context of the city.
It wallops projects in much bigger cities like Bristol and Cardiff and I suspect quite a few others around the uk. Nice1 Swansea.:)

I think you have taken things a little too far people from Swansea, i dont slag Swansea off, i was just saying that in most British peoples perception (In my experiance) Swansea is seen as quite a distant city from the rest of the UK and to an extent so is Cardiff. Cardiff has plenty of projects to keep it going and im not in the least bit jealouse of Meridian quay!!!!!! as i think it will be great for Swansea. Cardiff has projects like Bay Pointe which will surpass Meridian quay by quite a bit in terms of height and scale! also im sure the glass needle isnt totally dead, and outside of tall buildings there is no way Swansea can compete in terms of projects.

Cardiff bay as stated before is light years ahead of Swansea bay and SA1, your new swimming pool is rather shabby compared to the new one in the sports village (which is right next to the Bay pointe development), and also is having an indoor ski and snow center, plus an olympic white water rafting center, tennis courts etc etc. plus you can go sailing, rowing and other watersports in Cardiff bay and the rivers if you want.

Something tall will be in Cardiff bay, the council has proven itself at providing buildings that make Cardiff an international European capital and it will continue to do this with schemes like Bay Point and the new shopping center, library, sports village, Millenium center stage 2 etc. in order to increase this image and identity.

The project is big for Swansea but it definately doesnt wallop projects such as St davids 2 or cabbots circus (is that the name of the shopping center in Bristol?) which are far bigger and more significant. Even Newport is revamping its shopping center before Swansea even has any plans (which i say not to have a dig but to stop silly boasting of how far ahead Swansea is when it isnt).

My final point is that Swansea has a far better location than Cardiff and most UK cities, it really is beautifull, but the city has a long way to go before it can be called beautifull.

I cant believe you started that post by saying "i don't slag Swansea off", then proceeded to pretty much do just that for the rest of it apart from biggin' up you own city. All this post seems to be saying is 'cardiff's better than Swansea. Cardiff's great. It's got this, it's got that, it's gonna have this, it's gonna have that. It's a European International(whatever that means)capital etc etc'.

Apart from a slight backtrack at the bottom which was a pathetic attempt to look honest and impartial.

You seem to have not understood this thread when you talk about Cabot circus and St. Davids' 2.

FACT 1 Cardiff to Swansea is 40 miles
FACT 2 Cardiff Bay has an 8 mile shoreline
FACT 3 Bay Point will have 2500 flats


can't imagine Cardiff will ever be envious of Merdian Quay. Swansea Marina and SA1 is light years behond Cardiff's docklands in terms of offer.

Saying that, this city slagging is quiet pathetic and juvenile. both have their good points, imho Cardiff does have more to offer, however it would be good to see Swansea do some catching up, after all, a little bit of inter city competition can actually benefit both

Dream on, you simply cant compare Cardiff Bay Barrage to the sweeping Bay of Swansea, I beleive most of Cardiff residents would also Agree ....

Im not competing with cardiff Bay I am quoting Fact. You say you will not be jealous of Meridianquay. Well its not due for completion untill Nove 2008 so please reserve judgement. My brother is a construction site manager in cardiff Bay and works for a large construction Company. He has confirmed that the Glass Needle will not go ahead, i repeat will not go ahead due to lack of funding. Secondly the proposals for Bay Pointe are just proposals and if they do go ahead you are looking at 2014. Swansea will have the tallest and quite an iconic building in Wales for a number of years....Im not going to comment any more on this subject....

Play nicely, children.

Get your facts right mate you say swansea has no shopping plans, whiere r Newport. has already published some development plans .Are you aware of Swansea Strategic Plans for the centre of Swansea. Tenders are already in, with a multitude of companies expressing an intrest linking the city with the SEA and retail and shopping developments overlooking the sea next to Swansea Council, you can check out this info on www.swansea.gov.uk..

You only seem to know about cardiff and newport developments, yore not a cardiff football fan are you!!!!!!!

Gosh calm down, i am aware of Swanseas plans, the future looks good, but it is in the future, Newport and Cardiff are actually implementing their plans now. Meridian quay will be great for swansea but it hardly iconic, id say Bt stadium house was more iconic due to the unusual spike on it. Id rather a delayed project like the Glass needle than a slightly improved version of celestia in Swansea (aka meridian quay). To say something wont go on the Glass needle site is a bit rediculous. Views from bay pointe will be far superior to Meridian quay not least due to the geight difference but also in what you can see (views over to bristol and severn estuary, biews to the Brecon Beacons) you just have to get up 5 floors to see how good the view is in Cardiff.

Newport have demolished part fo teh old shopping center and already have a new roof, the Library is undergoing a refurb, the new footbridge is in, the new apartments are under construction at the old town dock, the city is buzzing mate! Swansea isnt.

It is a good report and a nice little summary to wet the public's appetite, visually interesting, and perhaps engender a little competition and pride for the general public's interest.

It was however a bit selective in what it missed out, there are towers of over 100m recently started construction in Sheffield and Leeds that were not in the list, and more proposed (eg. Criterion), and Beetham West in Liverpool, but the shorter Obel Tower in Belfast and various cancelled/postponed schemes were included. I suppose we can't expect too much from newspaper journalists .. to get their facts right for example.

Dream on, you simply cant compare Cardiff Bay Barrage to the sweeping Bay of Swansea, I beleive most of Cardiff residents would also Agree ....i have not attempted to...however, I also get the best of both worlds...I live in a cosmopolitan city and have, in my eyes at least, the best beach anywhere in the world about fifteen minutes away...

google southerndown beach, it really is beautiful....it may not be Cardiff but then again if it was Cardiff then Cardiff wouldn't be the city it is. can't see why you think one city is best because it has a beautiful beach next to it whereas the other has beautiful beeches within 15-20 minutes drive from the city centre

NB not putting Swansea down as it does have a lovely location to build from, but stating that Cardiff will be jealous of Meridian quay is a bit way off. It is like saying londoners are jealous of M/cr's Beetham....highly unlikely to be honest.

and people say the Welsh are divisive...

over the next few months two major leisure attractions are opening up in swansea. in september aspers casino at salibrious place in wind street is opening and in december the leisure centre is reopening after a £32m refurbishment which will have a huge indoor water fun park.

the owner of the casino reckons aspers swansea will attract 10k visitors a week which is half a million visitors a year. swansea leisure centre used to attract 200k visitors a year in the past and now with the added attraction of the new waterfront museum alongside it could become one of the biggest attractions in wales.

surely these will be a massive boost to the economy and profile of swansea and attract more visitors and generate more investment and hopefully we will see more new buildings getting built.

For people interested in the Meridian Quay Tower, I have a website on which I am going to be posting photographs of the tower throughout its construction, keeping it regularly updated. See here:

http://www.ipod.org.uk/meridianquay/

Swansea is so amazing and it's always sunny and it's a million times better than Cardiff.

Why are you guys arguing over which city is better? Both Cardiff and Swansea have their strengths and weaknesses. The Cardiff Bay developments may be further advanced but the Swansea ones are also now moving along at a nice pace and have the potential to be very successful.

For the next couple of years at least Swansea will be home to the tallest building in Wales, that's certainly not an insignificant thing and shows that there is more and more confidence in the city.

Lets not argue about this, do we want a Wales subforum to be a place where we argue about which city is better or do we want it to be a place where we have intelligent informed discussion about the future development of the country? I think it's testament to the strength of Wales' cities that there are now enough projects going on in them and enough people participating in discussions about them to make a Wales subforum viable. Please lets not fill it with bickering!

I cant believe you started that post by saying "i don't slag Swansea off", then proceeded to pretty much do just that for the rest of it apart from biggin' up you own city. All this post seems to be saying is 'cardiff's better than Swansea. Cardiff's great. It's got this, it's got that, it's gonna have this, it's gonna have that. It's a European International(whatever that means)capital etc etc'.

Apart from a slight backtrack at the bottom which was a pathetic attempt to look honest and impartial.

You seem to have not understood this thread when you talk about Cabot circus and St. Davids' 2.

yeah this he or she that calls them self cardiff thinks cardiff is the best thing since sliced bread, and we all know its not all that, always bragging youngest capital, the bay(why anyone on earth would want to live there,it just does not link with the city), opera hse etc etc....SO WHAT.

Swansea is so amazing and it's always sunny and it's a million times better than Cardiff.

your so right:cheers:

the daily mirror newspaper is part of the trinity mirror group which also publishes the cardiff echo, the western mail, the wales on sunday and the metro. so in other words the daily mirror is a cardiff biased and anti swansea newspaper. they will never run a good news story about swansea let along anything that will show swansea out doing cardiff, like the fact that the meridian quay tower in swansea will be higher than every building in cardiff and that the glass needle tower in cardiff won't be built. the trinity mirror group just prints cardiff propaganda to make out that cardiff is some great big capital and swansea is just a little fishing village, even though swansea is four times bigger than cardiff and swansea bay could just swallow up cardiff. just keep emailing complaints then will eventually get the message. the cardiff tv and radio media are just as bad. swansea is closer to london and has better transport links with the m4, than most of the english towns and cities and yet the london media similarily will not acknowledge swansea even exists.
Say no more on that matter than

Gosh calm down, i am aware of Swanseas plans, the future looks good, but it is in the future, Newport and Cardiff are actually implementing their plans now. Meridian quay will be great for swansea but it hardly iconic, id say Bt stadium house was more iconic due to the unusual spike on it. Id rather a delayed project like the Glass needle than a slightly improved version of celestia in Swansea (aka meridian quay). To say something wont go on the Glass needle site is a bit rediculous. Views from bay pointe will be far superior to Meridian quay not least due to the geight difference but also in what you can see (views over to bristol and severn estuary, biews to the Brecon Beacons) you just have to get up 5 floors to see how good the view is in Cardiff.

Newport have demolished part fo teh old shopping center and already have a new roof, the Library is undergoing a refurb, the new footbridge is in, the new apartments are under construction at the old town dock, the city is buzzing mate! Swansea isnt.
You are so sad like we all say cardiff wont beat swansea, maybe has more to offer but thats it, and as said many many times before us jacks are alot more friendly than you cardiff people(what ever you call yourself) i know its childish but you just wind me up:bash:

Christ alive is this michaelroyboy or whatever he is called for real


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Guys, guys, guys!

Comparing Swansea and Cardiff is a little pointless, both cities have their strengths and weaknesses as Andrew rightly says. Having lived in both I prefer my current residence, but some members of my family have a different take on things!

Arguably the physical setting of Swansea is more pleasant, but it is a smaller city than Cardiff and large scale regeneration is occuring several years later.

OK, Meridian Quay is only ground-breaking in the local context and apart from the height, it may have little architectural merit. But we're allowed to celebrate the fact that it will be the tallest in Wales until Bay Pointe is built, which may never happen anyway!

As for the mention of Southerndown - that's virtually halfway between Cardiff and Swansea, isn't it!? I love walking along the coast down there but I don't think it could be 'annexed' as a comparative selling point by either city.:)

Guys, guys, guys!

Comparing Swansea and Cardiff is a little pointless, both cities have their strengths and weaknesses as Andrew rightly says. Having lived in both I prefer my current residence, but some members of my family have a different take on things!

Arguably the physical setting of Swansea is more pleasant, but it is a smaller city than Cardiff and large scale regeneration is occuring several years later.

OK, Meridian Quay is only ground-breaking in the local context and apart from the height, it may have little architectural merit. But we're allowed to celebrate the fact that it will be the tallest in Wales until Bay Pointe is built, which may never happen anyway!

As for the mention of Southerndown - that's virtually halfway between Cardiff and Swansea, isn't it!? I love walking along the coast down there but I don't think it could be 'annexed' as a comparative selling point by either city.:)

Pondle

wasn't trying to Annex southerndown, just pointing out that its a beautiful beach 15-20 minutes away...some could argue parts of swansea are 15-20 minutes away from the gower or the mumbles but they're (quite correctly) still classed as being a swansea feature....

me, personally, would like to see the Taweans do a bit better, football rivalry aside, I've known the odd jack or two, and they're pretty decent folk, and I've always had a good enough time with them and their hospitality...

michaelroyBOY, you must be bored or very childish to try and start a competition between Cardiff and Swansea. You will always loose lol

Pondle

wasn't trying to Annex southerndown, just pointing out that its a beautiful beach 15-20 minutes away...some could argue parts of swansea are 15-20 minutes away from the gower or the mumbles but they're (quite correctly) still classed as being a swansea feature....

me, personally, would like to see the Taweans do a bit better, football rivalry aside, I've known the odd jack or two, and they're pretty decent folk, and I've always had a good enough time with them and their hospitality...

Fair point, but I think Southerndown is more like half an hour or more away from Cardiff... now I'm just being pedantic.:cheers:

It's true that Mumbles is about 15 mins away from Swansea city centre, but it's part of one contiguous urban area as well as being within the administrative boundary (he says, being even more pedantic).

Actually I think ONS classifies Neath and Port Talbot, as well as Pontardawe as part of the "Swansea Urban Area" (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/census2001/ks_urban_sw&w_part_11.pdf), I think, although that's stretching it a bit IMHO.

michaelroyBOY, you must be bored or very childish to try and start a competition between Cardiff and Swansea. You will always loose lol

Cardiff and Swansea aren't good comparators... there will always be quantitatively more development in Cardiff, simply because the city is larger and has a wider hinterland. Now 'more' doesn't necessarily mean 'better', which is a purely subjective judgement!

The ONS has produced a classification of "comparable local areas" (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/methodology_by_theme/area_classification/la/corresponding_las.asp). Sw3ansea is most comparable to Sefton or Wirral, Cardiff is most comparable to Bristol or Trafford.

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Cardiff and Swansea aren't good comparators... there will always be quantitatively more development in Cardiff, simply because the city is larger and has a wider hinterland. Now 'more' doesn't necessarily mean 'better', which is a purely subjective judgement!

The ONS has produced a classification of "comparable local areas" (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/about/methodology_by_theme/area_classification/la/corresponding_las.asp). Sw3ansea is most comparable to Sefton or Wirral, Cardiff is most comparable to Bristol or Trafford.

I don't trust that list. The place third most like Ipswich is .....Leeds. I can see the others, Plymouth and Lincoln, the largest centres in comparatively rural areas but Leeds, just can't see it myself.

I don't trust that list. The place third most like Ipswich is .....Leeds. I can see the others, Plymouth and Lincoln, the largest centres in comparatively rural areas but Leeds, just can't see it myself.

It's computed using a mathematical formula that assesses 42 variables.

michaelroyBOY, you must be bored or very childish to try and start a competition between Cardiff and Swansea. You will always loose lol

Cardiff what are you on about you are such a silly little person, cardiff will never beat swansea even though you say cardiff youngest capital, opera hse, better shopping centre(which i will agree with you there, it has ..oh yippy, get a life. Swansea one of the hot spots in the housing market for 2007( i think cardiff was way behind..what a shame hey) the gower, the mumbles, outstanding natural location...oh cardiff has none of that, all they can boast about is the bay, and thats not to brag about at all,surveyors are having real hard time stacking valuations on the bay every thing is getting down valued as there are so many apartments in area, however on a brighter note this is not happening in sa1 developers are acheiving very high prices( the pent house apartment at meridian quay sold for £600,000, i like to see that type of figure achieved in the bay, its just not happening cardiff, people have got wise to this area and anyway the bay is way to far out from city and really dull looking.so cardiff i dont know what your on about me having a competition between both cities because i know which one wins everytime. i think cardiff would be better if it did not have silly little people like yourself.Think you must be the board one(not me) always slating other cities apart from your own..of course. lol

Christ alive is this michaelroyboy or whatever he is called for real


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YES i am are you....:ohno: what on earth are YOU on about all ive said is true and based on fact not another cardiff little person who cant take the truth,( you stick together like glue) sad that you cant see the truth, i quite liked cardiff before but people like you and" cardiff" just make me dislike it even more. all my facts are honest and truthful, now thats not slating cardiff its just praising swansea(like u praise your city)

i believe the penthouse apartment of Watermark went for over 700,00, so prices are still high in Cardiff bay. Cardiff is close to enough beautifull countryside without needing the mumbles etc (the nicest part of swansea which isnt too dissimilar to Penarth head). Get over yourself, Swansea is not in the same leaugue as Cardiff, its not in the same leauge as Plymouth or Reading! Newport is much better, richer and has more development going on, and a nicer city center, where Swansea city center was blown away during the war.

Now stop trying to argue with 10 people that Swansea is better, because it isnt! its laughable to say it is! walk around the center and see the difference in architectural quality, look at the new buildings and see the difference in architectural quality (the pool is one fine example!). Swansea can become great, but it will never eclipse Cardiff, which is bigger, has more business, being the capital gives more incentive for development, has a more usable landscape, projects which far exceed anything in Swansea in the past, now and in the future. What is better about Swansea than Cardiff, maybe the beach is better, but there is one in Penarth and then there is southerndown 15 to 30 mins away! Apart from on e thing, nothing about Swansea is better than Cardiff

i believe the penthouse apartment of Watermark went for over 700,00, so prices are still high in Cardiff bay. Cardiff is close to enough beautifull countryside without needing the mumbles etc (the nicest part of swansea which isnt too dissimilar to Penarth head). Get over yourself, Swansea is not in the same leaugue as Cardiff, its not in the same leauge as Plymouth or Reading! Newport is much better, richer and has more development going on, and a nicer city center, where Swansea city center was blown away during the war.

Now stop trying to argue with 10 people that Swansea is better, because it isnt! its laughable to say it is! walk around the center and see the difference in architectural quality, look at the new buildings and see the difference in architectural quality (the pool is one fine example!). Swansea can become great, but it will never eclipse Cardiff, which is bigger, has more business, being the capital gives more incentive for development, has a more usable landscape, projects which far exceed anything in Swansea in the past, now and in the future. What is better about Swansea than Cardiff, maybe the beach is better, but there is one in Penarth and then there is southerndown 15 to 30 mins away! Apart from on e thing, nothing about Swansea is better than Cardiff:bash: LETS HAVE OUR LAST WORDS WITH ONE ANOTHER AND SAY SWANSEA IS SWANSEA AND CARDIFF IS CARDIFF, SHALL WE JUST LEAVE IT THERE MATE, AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE ALL WELSH AND HOPEFULLY PROUD OF IT. cARDIFF HAS PLENTY TO OFFER AND SO DOES SWANSEA(EVEN THOUGH PENARTH IS NOT ACTUALLY CARDIFF AND THE MUMBLES IS SWANSEA) IM FED UP OF OUR LITTLE BICKERING LETS MAKE FRIENDS AND I WILL SAY WALES FOREVER:-) (and cardiff is not to bad really, its all panto mate, thats all, all in good fun)lol

Christ, what the hell is going on here!!??

We should be working together, the two cities complement each other, and are both important to each others development.

MichaelRoyBoy, I like your passion for Swansea, but being loose with the facts doesnt help. An apartment at the new watermark development in cardiff bay recently went for £750,000 which is 25% higher than the £600,000price in SA1 that you claimed Cardiff couldnt get close to.
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Swansea is a decent enough place, the Gower is stunning on a national, even continental level. I'll promote the virtues of Swansea to anyone but I'm afraid on an economic and cultural level the two cities are in completely different stages of development, and on a different comparable level.

As for the rantings about people from Swansea being friendlier than people from Cardiff, well who the hell knows. I've met plenty of unfriendly people down wind street, and if Skyscraper city is anything to go by, a little more friendliness wouldnt go amiss.

Christ, what the hell is going on here!!??

We should be working together, the two cities complement each other, and are both important to each others development.

MichaelRoyBoy, I like your passion for Swansea, but being loose with the facts doesnt help. An apartment at the new watermark development in cardiff bay recently went for £750,000 which is 25% higher than the £600,000price in SA1 that you claimed Cardiff couldnt get close to.
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0300business/0100news/tm_method=full%26objectid=18882131%26siteid=50082-name_page.html

Swansea is a decent enough place, the Gower is stunning on a national, even continental level. I'll promote the virtues of Swansea to anyone but I'm afraid on an economic and cultural level the two cities are in completely different stages of development, and on a different comparable level.

As for the rantings about people from Swansea being friendlier than people from Cardiff, well who the hell knows. I've met plenty of unfriendly people down wind street, and if Skyscraper city is anything to go by, a little more friendliness wouldnt go amiss.

like i said james its all panto mate, im well aware that both cities are different and both cities have things going for it. i came on to this site to watch swansea threads not to argue with anyone, like i say we are all welsh and proud of it:-)

Sure Michaelroyboy, we can put it behind us. We are all Welsh and proud of the achievements of both Cardiff and Swansea and want to see both achieve their maximum potential. I regularly watch what is happening in the Swansea thread as well as the Newport and Cardiff one because they are all important in Wales. I guessed you were doing it for fun, makes life a bit interesting sometimes.

Sure Michaelroyboy, we can put it behind us. We are all Welsh and proud of the achievements of both Cardiff and Swansea and want to see both achieve their maximum potential. I regularly watch what is happening in the Swansea thread as well as the Newport and Cardiff one because they are all important in Wales. I guessed you were doing it for fun, makes life a bit interesting sometimes.

yeah its good to see all development in wales, no hard feelings mate. :cheers:

YES i am are you....:ohno: what on earth are YOU on about all ive said is true and based on fact not another cardiff little person who cant take the truth,( you stick together like glue) sad that you cant see the truth, i quite liked cardiff before but people like you and" cardiff" just make me dislike it even more. all my facts are honest and truthful, now thats not slating cardiff its just praising swansea(like u praise your city)

we need a gone fishing smiley

I've never insulted you, I've never insulted swansea, yet you assume I have. why?

I like Swansea, I like Newport, I'd love to see all of Wales get pulled up by its bootstraps and have stunning developments and unseen riches and benefits. I'm just a resident of Penarth who happens to love this city I live in (imho Penarth is merely a suburb of Cardiff - I can see more of Cardiff than I can of the Vale where I live). I have seen Cardiff change dramatically over the last ten or twenty years. With a bit of luck and God willing, an economically prosperous Cardiff can also have an impact on its hinterland and the wider welsh area...lets hope so