link to last page of previous thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=338462&page=28


main points from tail end of last thread

Not the best day for it but meh.

ANZ in ya panz:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/115/pic0008cv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Mosaic:

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1076/pic0009aj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

825 Bourke:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3145/pic0010nc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ericsson:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3751/pic0011wl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/411/pic0012oc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Jewel on the dock (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21956460-2862,00.html)

By Liam Houlihan
24 June 2007

A NEGLECTED Docklands wharf the size of half a city block will be revamped as the jewel of the emerging Docklands precinct.

The Bracks Government has convened a panel of 20 of "Victoria's best minds" to envision a new icon for Central Pier.

The brains trust, which includes state architect John Denton, had their first meeting this week.

They hope a big idea for the prime location pier will see it join the MCG, Arts Centre spire and Flinders St station as a beloved Melbourne landmark.

The move follows a Sunday Herald Sun campaign asking the public for ideas on transforming the central location.

Suggested plans for the site include:

A NATIONAL gallery for Aboriginal art

A FAMILY-friendly Coney Island-style ferris wheel and fun park

A STRIKING building housing a centre of Australian popular music and culture

A GRASSY parkland hovering above the water

A SINGAPORE-style 24-hour cinema and internet centre

A GIANT sculpture or artwork such as a constantly burning flame on a big torch

NIGHT holograms simulating the Northern Lights, or

A GLASS tower offering free views of the city and bay from high platforms.

Other proposals are a waterside opera and theatre space or a shopping centre.

Major Projects Minister Theo Theophanous, who appointed the panel, said it was time to act on the water gateway to Melbourne.

"Central Pier should be a place where all Victorians can enjoy themselves and which is attractive to interstate visitors," he said.

The board will deliver their plans for the Docklands centrepiece within months and building could begin within five years.


nice day for it yesterday
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/vic20070624.jpg

Mosaic and 825 should both top out within the next couple of weeks or so. Piling for ANZ should be winding up next month. Renders for site V4 behind Dock 5 should also be released soon.

How about for the pier landmark a giant Greenhouse that features Australian only plants, not just some shabby greenhouse, something with a unique design, Melbourne does not have anything like this I believe? Isn't there one in St Kilda botanical gardens, but only a small one? Docklands needs more plants down there I know they have the nursery, but that is only temporary, there are virtually no plants there...

Could have it high, with a few levels, has animals in it as well???

^^ I rekon it should be a statue or monument of some sort.

^^ I rekon it should be a statue or monument of some sort.

Nah it has to be something that serves a "using purpose", that is something that is a landmark, but can actually be used for something, not just to take photos with.

Thanks for the pics Archi & silvermb. Getting quite dense down there.

LOL RED - that would look utterly daft - not poo pooing your thinking though but can we leave it to possibly just one or two generic players lol!! Imagine what O.S. tourists would think of that...WTF LOL!

Love your posts and contributions by the way.

How about for the pier landmark a giant Greenhouse that features Australian only plants, not just some shabby greenhouse, something with a unique design, Melbourne does not have anything like this I believe? Isn't there one in St Kilda botanical gardens, but only a small one? Docklands needs more plants down there I know they have the nursery, but that is only temporary, there are virtually no plants there...

Could have it high, with a few levels, has animals in it as well???

Maybe a hanging gardens ala Babylon?

can we leave it to possibly just one or two generic players?

I agree. It really should be the image from back a couple of years ago when Didak took that screamer over I think it was Andrew Welsh. That works wonderfully :D

Seriously, I think it will end up being an Indigenous museaum of some sort. You could do a pretty awesome statue with that I'd imagine.

I'm not a huge fan of statues as landmarks. Sculptural buildings yes but statues, you look at them once and that's it you might be ablt to go inside but the space wouldn't be very appealing or viable for anything but an observation deck ala the Statue of Liberty or a cafe.

what about statues on top of functional buildings? :)

It would shit the residents. NIMBYs, what can you do?

Space port!

I'm not a huge fan of statues as landmarks. Sculptural buildings yes but statues, you look at them once and that's it you might be ablt to go inside but the space wouldn't be very appealing or viable for anything but an observation deck ala the Statue of Liberty or a cafe.

Word. Statues should augment spaces, not be the main focus of them.

It needs to be something AWESOME and something truly Melbourne.

I wish I could think of something that answers these criteria but I can't. I keep thinking there must be some seriously wonderful solution that nobody has thought of yet.

^^^ *cough* space-port *cough*

I think it should be something like an opera house or concert hall or theatre or ampitheatre. Some kind of cultural institution which has flexible uses. That's why I don't like the cultural centre idea; if it's crap it can't change. A venue is the way to go.

i reckon what ever its going to be, it has to be b.i.g
like the monumental buildings of Dubai. it could be cultural/arts/ect

http://static.flickr.com/93/226709081_dd06649507_b.jpg

or more of iconic design like Dubais Central library

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/111/288315774_f24772eb83_b.jpg

My idea (which I've refined over the years and started out as a Museum of Australian Architecture) is for the 'Centre for the Built Environment' which would cover architecture, landscape architecture, urban design.

Well...I got to put a pic of my mighty Bombers on this thread :)....Melbourne has statues but not anything like..Statue of Liberty N.Y. or that Christ one in Rio...Brazil..come to think of it....What other architectural feature can you name for Rio de Janeiro.....There must be thousands of buildings there.....so a statue in a prominant location can put a city on the map....Sugarloaf on which it stands is also dramatic but if the statue wasn't on top it's world profile wouldn't be the same........ http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1483/129kv6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012) at 2007-06-27

Hmmmm, okay Red, the Ministry of Ideas here, howzabout ... a really giant version of this... the message is - Melbourne, World City:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/MrMukherjee/master_RG0011.jpg

It has to turn, like a Tattslotto barrell, and be ringed with pulsing laser lights. The map of Australia will be a giant screen, and each time it revolves it will show a different image of the city.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/MrMukherjee/0028-0606-0515-3948_SM1.jpg

it will be much bigger than this:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/MrMukherjee/globe196x_medium1.jpg

and more dynamic than this:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/MrMukherjee/savannah_globe1.jpg

well, you know - just a thought. Quite secular, though, isn't it?

ZH836301, Contact was a great film, but not one to inspire a landmark.

Bronteboy, sorry been done before and gimicky.

Lightning~Bolt, a good and large conservatory like Adelaide's is needed in Melbourne, but not at the end of that pier.

I think Archibomber's idea is the best. :rock: :yes:

Bronteboy....would love Melbourne to have one of those (The Biggest) But my preferred site for that was above St. Kilda Junction ! Could fix crappy focal point without disruption of present infrastructure..Imagine looking at that from the Shrine looking south or from Albert Park (GP), Dandenong Rd or as you crest Brighton Rd....heading north.

ZH836301, Contact was a great film, but not one to inspire a landmark.

Bronteboy, sorry been done before and gimicky.

Lightning~Bolt, a good and large conservatory like Adelaide's is needed in Melbourne, but not at the end of that pier.

I think Archibomber's idea is the best. :rock: :yes:

If it had a unique design would it matter what it housed? But with a green house, it means lot of glass, and there is no limit to your imagination when you are using glass, imagine all the curves, and designs you could use!

ZH836301, Contact was a great film, but not one to inspire a landmark.
But I wants to warp space and time. :lol:

http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/pics/dawn07.jpg

Even better - daa daar da dummm. Free 'trips' for all.

actually I liked the lighthouse-inspired spire that was originally designed for Lend Lease (DCM?) on this site, but can no longer find the renders.

Sugarloaf on which it stands is also dramatic but if the statue wasn't on top it's world profile wouldn't be the same........
But the statue of Christ is not located on the top of Sugarloaf. It is located on a mount called Corcovado, 704 meters high. The Sugarloaf, 396 meters high, is another mount, located on the "mouth" of Guanabara Bay, whrere is located the famous cable-cars.

My idea (which I've refined over the years and started out as a Museum of Australian Architecture) is for the 'Centre for the Built Environment' which would cover architecture, landscape architecture, urban design.
but wouldnt people from other states be pissed off they have to go to melbourne for a Museum of Australian Architecture? maybe a museum of Melbourne architecture?
I think the RAIA is located in Canberra with everything else.

Now this isn't a bad idea, but it might be very very cold during 6 months of the year.

Students plunge into city design (http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21979495-2862,00.html)
By Ian Royall
28 June 2007

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5543429,00.jpg
Radical: A public swimming pool butting against the harbour at Docklands is one idea that urban design students have come up with to transform parts of central Melbourne.

URBAN design students have come up with radical ideas to transform parts of central Melbourne.

A public swimming pool butting against the harbour at Docklands, a multi-level sporting cage in Flagstaff Gardens, and a makeover of Northbank are among seven bright ideas from RMIT architecture students.

The M:Urban project aims to encourage innovative design ideas for under-used parts of the CBD. The seven final ideas were among hundreds of entries covering all parts of the city, from older areas such as Flagstaff Gardens to developments such as Docklands and Federation Square.

Two designs seek to invigorate the waterside area near Harbour Esplanade at Docklands.

State architect John Denton will launch the exhibition tonight at Melbourne Central, on the Level 2 link bridge over Lonsdale St.

The designs will be on show until July 11.

The project is an initiative of the Committee for Melbourne's Future Focus Group.

It is hoped M:Urban will bring about real changes by putting students in touch with city leaders and decision-makers and promoting public discussion of urban design.

Admittadly, there probably should be a swimming pool SOMEWHERE in Docklands (not at that site obviously though).

I like the idea of a museum devoted to popular culture which is appropriate given Melbourne is recognised the world over as Australia's music capital....put something freaky modern at the end that will shock visitors and locals.

The idea for a Australian Museum of Architecture also makes sense in Melbourne given its well known "built" environment.

I think things like that are too inflexible, especially if they're that specific. Why architecture and pop culture, and not a museum of food, because Melbourne is known for its food? I stand by the venue idea. It's a good idea to have these cultural centres etc. but such an iconic site needs something more flexible that one can visit more than once. Or maybe something like Fed Square which combines those functions.

^^^ *cough* space-port *cough*

word!

cultural venue is nice in theory, but with a new exhibition centre, recital hall as well as symphony orchestra venue all planned for the next decade, it's not particularly necessary.

i kind of like the giant observatory, if it could be designed less traditionally and more a very large, distinctive modern sculptural form.

museum for built form is a cool idea too, but I tend to agree that something static is not the way to go.

Public space....

And redbaron - I don't think central pier is quite as spectacular location for jesus as a mountain in rio.....I see your point but it's not really applicable to this site.

AND AS FOR A PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL...........brrrrr, only if it can be frozen over in winter for a public ice skating rink! :)

Brightly lit cities aren't generally regarded as very suitable locations for observatories :)

anyone remember the giant V we were going to get where Fed Square is now? Red - grab your scrap books - you must have it.

but wouldnt people from other states be pissed off they have to go to melbourne for a Museum of Australian Architecture? maybe a museum of Melbourne architecture?
I think the RAIA is located in Canberra with everything else.

Victorian Centre for the Built Environment then. :colgate: And why wasn't I informed of this M:Urban thing at uni? And why does the article refer to them as architecture students then urban design students then architecture students again (well the one in the paper does)?

Blame LVS! :D

Rodrigo...sorry for the mistake ?? I just picture the statue atop that huge peak beside the sea above Rio....it's the image I have from TV, movies and books etc....The point being the statue is famous !!!

Because it's Jesus and is easily recognisable. As much as I love the mighty Bombers I'm not sure too many people will recognise or identify with the feats of Damian Peverill, Courtney Johns, Mal Michael and co. or players from any other team for that matter.

Hey did any of you guys read the article about the redevelopment of Central Pier in the Australian Financial Review the other day? It said something about John Tabart putting forward a proposal for a 40+ story hotel somewhere in Docklands...ill try and find it

I read that too, but I think what you wrote is out of context. I think they meant that Tabart is looking to have the hotel in Docklands, but not necessarily on the Pier.

^^ please do, 40L jumeirah hotel sounds like sama site - hope there's another 40L of office above otherwise........

This is all could get:

Property
Docklands envisions pier without peer
Mathew Dunckley
25 June 2007
Australian Financial Review (Abstracts)

A state government-commissioned panel will meet to discuss future plans for Central Pier in Melbourne's Docklands precinct. A spokeswoman for VicUrban, which administers the precinct on behalf of the state government, said it wanted a design that would 'reflect Melbourne lifestyles.' The current tenant, which finds itself sandwiched between the football stadium and developments by Lend Lease and MAB Corporation, has several years to run on their lease. Meanwhile, a hotel is being planned for the precinct. Mirvac's former development director, Simon Hilbert, may have been recruited for the project by the former head of VicUrban, John Tabart.

I thought SAMA wanted land in Batman's Hill! So they are looking to build in 2 areas of Docklands now? Or when they refer to "precinct" in the article, are they referring to the entire Docklands?

The grouped footy players going for a mark I thought was very Melbourne but agree a more generic group idea would be better....as long as it was obviously Aussie Rules with the Football at the top...and inside could be a huge multi-level pub and night club...well...it all goes together hey!

How about this for Central Pier?!

http://www.agencetaillibert.com/photos/zoom_IMG_200407201745504.jpg

Saw that architecture/urban planning thing at Melbourne Central tonight where they were still setting it up. Some good proposals to redo that terrible plaza area at Victoria Harbour.

Very interesting displays, everyone should go. :)

^Whereabouts in Melbourne Central is it, and how long will it be there for?

i hope its there tommorow, i'll take some pics with my shitty phone camera if i can get around to it.

With the population of the docklands..and city generally growing a swimming venue would be a place to get away from the hustle and bustle..and relax with friends..chat..a swim..have a pie...etc... http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4619/tokiowf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012) at 2007-06-28

^ That sure looks soothing and relaxing.

^Whereabouts in Melbourne Central is it, and how long will it be there for?

On the top level of the bridge across to Myer.

So many proposals too, we'll probably be able to devote a whole thread to the stuff that's been put forward there.

Rodrigo...sorry for the mistake ?? I just picture the statue atop that huge peak beside the sea above Rio....it's the image I have from TV, movies and books etc....The point being the statue is famous !!!
No problem! :okay: :) :) :)

More Renders of 825 Bourke Street :cheers:

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listing/photos.asp?lk=88142#

That building annoys me. The only good thing about it is that curvy cover lid, so from the other side it looks ugly. Unhappiness.

i think its pretty cool but i think everybody would MUCH rather a fifty something story tower.

^ That sure looks soothing and relaxing.

:lol: :lol:


SPIN DOCTOR: agreed. it just looks dull to me.

Don't care about height, particularly (yes, you can all shoot me). I would just prefer equally sustainable design to be achieved more creatively/spectacularly.

Don't care about height, particularly (yes, you can all shoot me). I would just prefer equally sustainable design to be achieved more creatively/spectacularly.

partly true but i would rather a tall stylish building than a short stylish building.

I think it's alright. I suppose there is only so much you can do with a box like that. It's a little bit disappointing that all the interest has been shifted to one side of the building with the other side just dull and plain.

I think it's alright. I suppose there is only so much you can do with a box like that. It's a little bit disappointing that all the interest has been shifted to one side of the building with the other side just dull and plain.

I guess my point is it doesn't have to be just a "box" - there are commercially and environmentally viable ways of maintaining good, interesting design.

It just shits me. And yes, you read it as lopsided.

I guess my point is it doesn't have to be just a "box" - there are commercially and environmentally viable ways of maintaining good, interesting design.

It just shits me. And yes, you read it as lopsided.

Agreed. Still, I guess the proof is in the pudding. Let's hope it turns out alright.

when are they going to fix the promenade between the stadium and vic harbour - its a shocker
http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/vic200707.jpg

End of 2009 I think someone quoted from a tender. The cow is staying also (w00t)

It's somewhere in the old thread.

Edit: Found it.

Vic Urban's currently seeking Expressions of Interest for the design of a 700m stretch of Harbour Esplanade from Docklands Drive to Bourke Street. Interestingly (and thankfully) they no longer refer to the project as being or mention the name Grand Plaza. The design phase is supposed to be completed by early 2008 with construction commencing later that year, to be completed by the end of 2009.

And more info from Vic Urban (http://www.vicurban.com/cs/Satellite?c=VPage&cid=1181011586403&pagename=VicUrban%2FLayout&site=VicUrban)

[Split from ANZ topic]
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Construction city! pity it's mostly small stuff D:
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4080/img4753xw4.jpg

The Mosaic looking rather plain.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2031/img4758dt0.jpg
Vic harbor, at this point i got a phonecall and went home, couldn't be bothered walking over to newquay, was getting late.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/916/img4774hd7.jpg

The Mosaic has topped out by the way.....

The Mosaic looking rather plain.
Yeah, it was always gawna be pleb-city.

Thanks for update pics Drunkill.

...

Today:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/VicHarbour20070720.jpg

Excellent updates on all threads, OzFrog. It's been a while since we've seen some Rialto shots.

825 Bourke has topped out. And they're getting close to finishing construction on Mosaic.

Just as I had foreseen...

All hail Jedi Master Archi! :master:

lol Oh Archi :lol:

Found this on Flickr. It could be put any many threads but out of laziness I'm just popping it here....The large version has the best detail...
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1093/874479621_76d90d00cb_o.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1093/874479621_76d90d00cb_o.jpg

Nice angle, lots of cranes. :cheers:

^^ Brilliant Stuff!! :banana:

Today:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/VicHarbour20070726.jpg

its amazing to see so much happening down at docklands -

safeway looks huge too, takes up a big site ! it will be great once that opens

cheers

lozza

This morning:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/VicHarbour20070804.jpg

Thanks for the updates Ozfrog. You're becoming our most important member!

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1797/myerys6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:banana: :banana:

Good to hear. But still no renders :(

Where is that site located ? it sounds like it is not on the water...great news though....:banana: :banana: :banana:

Is 800 Collins St a new development or has a building already been proposed for the site?

I think 800C should be located more or less directly across the road from ANZ.

True. I think it may run from Collins St along Docklands Park to Mosaic. Although if it ran predominantly along Collins it would probably curve, which would be cool.

Planning still needs to be approved. LL has described the design as "a square box" but with some flair !! sounds like it might be similar to NAB campus and 818 Bourke - 8 levels of 3,000 sqm each.

Whoopa! Whenever I see your name now Agent X, I think a snazzy new render will be posted :lol:

I'm hoping something will be in the Fin Rev about Myer's confirmation on this in the next day or 2.

Actually, got an AFR hard copy. On-line hadn't produced today's article previously. Anyway, may I ask or be reminded of what building is referred to in the last sentence?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Myer8AugFinRevArticleA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Myer8AugFinRevArticleB.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Myer8AugFinRevArticleC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Myer8AugFinRevArticleD.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/Myer8AugFinRevArticleE.jpg

^^ Check-out www.370.com.au

^^ Thanks, yes, I know it. Cheers.

Only 6 floors? It looks rather small.

Looks like a mini AXA building. And AXA is pretty mini itself.

Campus, boring campus.

Looks like a mini AXA building. And AXA is pretty mini itself.

Well spotted Shumway - Cox architects did AXA and 370

Thats interesting to note. AXA couldn't have gone with a more cookie cutter design if they tried.

Campus, boring campus.

Having just left NAB's campus at Docklands in the last two weeks to move to another of their city locations, I can see why organisations are heading towards the campus style buildings.

NAB is a brilliant building both inside and out IMO. Proves that just because it's campus doesn't mean it has to be shit.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x211/mjspence/146_4639.jpg

tried to fix it, problem from the source not physically typing in the address

:(

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I think 800C should be located more or less directly across the road from ANZ.

Site in question (taken Wednesday):

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/800Collins20070808.jpg

Some new crane action from Sunday arvo...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1277/1102182511_aec9758dff_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mugley/1102182511/)

Thats a massive site!

Not quite a skyscraper but always nice to see a tree on the top !

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x211/mjspence/146_4641.jpg

Oh, How ugly...more concrete walls!

At least I assume it will eventually be hidden by another building.

Today:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/VicHarbour20070814.jpg

Who's up for a seizure?
Just found these master plans by ARM for Vic Harbour.
They say its worng to fall in love with objects... damn.
http://www.a-r-m.com.au/project.php?projectID=24&categoryID=1

Nice!

Is that proposed "time square" still meant to happen?

yes

Is that proposed "time square" still meant to happen?

Actually it's been completed for decades - in New York!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_square
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/92/Times_Square_%28Tall%29.jpg/450px-Times_Square_%28Tall%29.jpg

^^ :wtf:

Qantas734 is obviously talking about a picutre i have raised numerous times from the Vic Harbour master plan...
in case you've forgotten
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7641/m011mediumfl9zo5.jpg
I was on the A-R-M (Developers of the masterplan) website today and it says that the area is due to be built in 2008, so the ideas are still possible. Just for reference that picture is of the cnr bourke and collins. the website for the master plan is http://www.a-r-m.com.au/project.php?projectID=24&categoryID=1 in case anyone wants to see other pics, details, ect.

^^ That pic is very old. Plus I vaguely recall someone saying that the plans for the "times square" had been scrapped.

Its from 2003 and all original plans are subject to change.

That masterplan has changed numerous times and will continue to do so over the next 10 years.

Today:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/VicHarbour20070823.jpg

Thanks OzFrog for the latest round of photos. IIRC Melbourne's 4 millionth square metre of CBD office space is supposedly somewhere inside that building ^.

Looks like they're working on the last floor before the curved roof.

Found these renders of the Merchant Street retail and another of The Gauge.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2807/merchantnz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.fitzroys.com.au/upload/images/716_20074x30201156.JPG

OMG! The other day i was a on the train and i was next to some corprate people in black suites guess what "central" site i heard them talking about. Didnt hear much because they got off at melb central (i got on at flinders) but they mentioned somethings happening soon...
someone knows somehing we dont but SOMEONE out there has answers!!!

First cladding has gone up on 825 Bourke.

OMG! The other day i was a on the train and i was next to some corprate people in black suites guess what "central" site i heard them talking about. Didnt hear much because they got off at melb central (i got on at flinders) but they mentioned somethings happening soon...
someone knows somehing we dont but SOMEONE out there has answers!!!

Say what? All I understood in that was something about corporate guys in suits, a train and something about Central Pier. There'll be an announcement on Central Pier before the end of the year according to Vic Urban.

I overheard some guys talking about central pier and they said that something big was happening soon

http://www.centralpier.com.au/

Well as it is i'd personally prefer the bates smart proposal....
http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/BatesSmart150.jpg
If anyone can remember there was a HUGE campain by the age to find "Melbourne's answer to the Sydney Opera House" back in '06 yet still nothing at central pier except a few sheds.

I was actually referring to the building to go at the end of Central pier.

I'd probably suggest that, as much for access reasons as anything else, the sheds will go the way of the dodo

I was actually referring to the building to go at the end of Central pier.

You mean the temporary function shed?

No, I mean the civic building that they are planning for the end of the pier.

I thought that was supposed to take up the WHOLE pier.
Oh well, as long as the final result is as good as the position i am happy.

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/vic200708.jpg

came across this vision docklands..a little old but some new perspectives nonetheless :) http://www.a-r-m.com.au/files/cv/masterplanning.pdf

re: central pier.

I am now thoroughly confused.

As I understand - Sheds 9 + 14 are currently being used as function/cultural/entertainment facilities.

I take it this will not be the final use for the pier, but if so, why are they building shit like a microbrewery there? Or will it be used for these things for say a few years, before a civic building or whatever else will be put there is designed?

The civic building will probably have little effect on the sheds themselves as it won't occupy the entire pier just a platform at the end. The uses of the sheds in that time might change and they might get another mini makeover externally but the sheds are here to stay, Vic Urban told me as much.

VicUrban may have to face facts: It will be horrendously difficult (which means expansive) to build at the end of the pier while retaining the sheds. I would even go as far to say I doubt there will be a cultural building there while the sheds remain.

CONTROVERSY!!!!!

It just seems like a waste to pour so much money into those sheds if they're destined for demolition. I like sheds personally.

Has anyone been to the new event spaces in central pier?

Looked inside - they look great. The lease to my understanding is only for 5 years anyway, so it makes sense to get organised for 5 years then build. Makes less sense to spend so much money on a mad fit out though.....

The sheds are rubbish...

Looked inside - they look great. The lease to my understanding is only for 5 years anyway, so it makes sense to get organised for 5 years then build. Makes less sense to spend so much money on a mad fit out though.....

Yeah that's what I think too. Like, microbreweries surely aren't cheap??

Keen to see inside that event thing though...I think a work-related field trip is in order.

Yeah that's what I think too. Like, microbreweries surely aren't cheap??

Keen to see inside that event thing though...I think a work-related field trip is in order.

Atlantic are pretty swish. In their old home back in the southwarf sheds (where the convention centre is being constructed) they were the fanciest function group there, the company I used to work for was always playing second fiddle. Alumbra is pretty cool too - but be warned - their door bitches are, well, bitchy!

hey guys, heres a few pix of construction in the VH@docklands area on Sunday. Was such a great weather day.

http://images3.pictiger.com/thumbs/84/ed47942037d6dd8ce2ea05f1bd783a84.th.jpg (http://server3.pictiger.com/img/1259269/picture-hosting/rimg-0991.php)

http://images3.pictiger.com/thumbs/e8/cf871ead7af614363426021498b75ae8.th.jpg (http://server3.pictiger.com/img/1259270/picture-hosting/rimg-1004.php)

http://images3.pictiger.com/thumbs/42/8387e5b30de2f20c97f6818ae4e69b42.th.jpg (http://server3.pictiger.com/img/1259271/picture-hosting/rimg-1012.php)

Hey welcome to the forum Melb_aviator, great first post!

Do you mind posting larger versions? Me peepers aren't what they used to be.

Click on them gappa

hahaha, went throught there myself on sunday. guess who forgot their camera???

Click on them gappa

I don't like pictiger, it keeps trying to do things to my computer.

I don't like pictiger, it keeps trying to do things to my computer.
I don't like chage, it keeps trying to do things to the victoria harbour masterplan

thanks for the welcome gappa.

i no idea how to make them bigger off that site

hope to take sum more soon

Mosaic, soon to be be joined by 'Montage' (to be released next month). 'Waterfront' won't be released till early to mid next year now, according to Lend Lease.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7369/pic0015km9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7748/pic0016xb2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Gauge:

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4543/pic0017ri1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9172/pic0018we5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Safeway:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6330/pic0020xr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Shot of the density:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2893/pic0028dk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Great pix Archbomber.

Thanks

Where is Montage going?

Mosaic is dismal commie block.

Lend Lease should be ashamed of building such an uninspired building on such a prominent site and Vicurban should also be ashamed of approving such a low quality design in spite of all their talk of design excellence for Docklands.

Mosaic is dismal commie block.

Lend Lease should be ashamed of building such an uninspired building on such a prominent site and Vicurban should also be ashamed of approving such a low quality design in spite of all their talk of design excellence for Docklands.

Looks good front on, but the rest is pretty bleh.

Where is Montage going?

Next door to Mosaic.

Thanks Archi, I couldn't have guessed that :nuts:
As in on the Bourke St side, or between Mosaic and Myer?

Between Mosaic and Myer. Now I don't mean to frighten anyone but, the flythroughs and renders of Vic Harbour show it as a twin of Mosaic. Although that could just be indicative.

Let's sue for negligently inflicting mental harm by poor architecture..

Who are the architects?

And yes, they looks like communist housing flats. Yay!

ericsson looking very plain in and amongst it all

http://silvermb.thehoddlegrid.net/vic200709.jpg

Mosaic is dismal commie block.

Lend Lease should be ashamed of building such an uninspired building on such a prominent site and Vicurban should also be ashamed of approving such a low quality design in spite of all their talk of design excellence for Docklands.

Have to agree Grollo a ten yearl old kid could have come up with something better - more suited to Dandenong.

Thanks SilverMB. I know it has it's detractors but I think Docklands is great! It's such an exciting development with lots of interesting architecture (and some not so interesting). I can't wait to walk around there in 2020.

^^ I couldn't agree more. social fabric takes time.

great shots silvermb.

Mosaic, soon to be be joined by 'Montage' (to be released next month). 'Waterfront' won't be released till early to mid next year now, according to Lend Lease.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7369/pic0015km9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7748/pic0016xb2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Gauge:

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/4543/pic0017ri1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9172/pic0018we5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Safeway:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6330/pic0020xr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Shot of the density:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2893/pic0028dk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Lend Lease is making this whole site into a commie block hostel group of buildings! what a shame...husge opportunity being destroyed for quick $$$ ....Mirvac & MAB are doing a much better job for the other two waterfront precincts....come on Lend Lease put some inspiring designs together.

There is construction industry talk that a residential development is about to be announced for the West end of Central Pier.

I can't see how they can build apartments on a site earmarked for an iconic public building.

Love this shot:

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2893/pic0028dk4.jpg

Thanks Archi!

What a lead of awful new buildinsg we now have at Docklands. This is very poor design.

Timeline for Harbour Esplanade:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3672/hetimelinefb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Mosaic:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1321/1431783318_53df45eba2_b.jpg

Curved roof thingo in foreground (the yellow bars will support the curved wall roof thing) and safeway behind:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1337/1431783326_dd5b0eb00e_b.jpg

Groundwork:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1059/1431783346_5cf348f014_b.jpg

Also Ericsson seems complete except for interior fitout.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1059/1431783346_5cf348f014_b.jpg



Excuse my ignorance but what's going here again?

Where? Site in the foreground will be the new Myer HQ, with Montage next door to the right, but work hasn't started on either.

sept19
melab07
FLICKR
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1245/1406889552_499cf2ba78_o.jpg

NAB, Sony Ericsson, ANZ, Myer... Not your average business park...

PAINT!

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/839/pic0017fy5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

825B with tree

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2985/pic0018cb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yes its starting to look reasonable. They have done a good job on the Bourke Street facade already.

Once the painting in white is done it will look OK especially at night with good lighting.

At this stage Docklands looks more like a giant business park, lets hope we see some more integration with the cbd when it gets closer to completion.

Vic Harour = Clayton on steroids!

uh no.

Docklands = Clayton on steroids!

Not all of Docklands....just Vic Harbour.....Lend Lease are going the cheap & nasty path...looks nothing like their visionary concept sketches....:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

^^ typo... changing it.
I completely know what you mean. The Vision:
http://www.a-r-m.com.au/images/projects/24/photos/vicharbour_point.jpg
http://www.a-r-m.com.au/images/projects/24/photos/vicharbour_night.jpg
http://www.a-r-m.com.au/images/projects/24/photos/vicharbour_bridge.jpg
http://www.a-r-m.com.au/images/projects/24/photos/vicharbour_bay.jpg

There's still plenty of development space in Victoria Harbour that's yet to be built upon. Give it time.

^^ typo... changing it.

I completely know what you mean. The Vision:It was never going to turn out like that. They're just some images ARM knocked up; the cylindrical tower was the original proposal for the HWT redevelopment. You should probably look back at the first renders of Victoria Harbour, it was nothing compared to what we have today.

And whatever concept drawing we have is probably going to be massively different to what the place will look like when it's finished in 10-15 years.

I agree that that concept sure looks interesting, but market forces dictate what is built in the end, not just what looks good. I like the NAB building, Dock 5, Vic Point so far. They have certainly brought some style to the area. ANZ will look great when its finished.

Yes, skyscrapers are more dramatic than campus style but overall from a street scape pint of view a mix of skyscrapers and campus will look good in its final product if the quality of the architecture is original and of high quality.

Give it time. As the saying dictates, Rome wasn't built in a day:)

Are there plans for anymore buildings around the same height as Dock 5? What's going to be built further west of D5 towards the Bolte?

Lend Lease are releasing a tower similar to Dock5 in the first half of next year, at this stage they've just dubbed it 'Waterfront.'

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/auboy/ANZ4.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2217/waterplazaqn6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/1007/myervheg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Disappointing.

Business Park mentality.

Would love to see how a seasoned international city would treat a waterfront precinct on the CBD's doorstep. These guys need to realise this is the heart of a major city they are toying with.

I'm afraid that in years to come other cities around the world will learn valuable lessons from this precinct. Other than throwing key words like "large floor-plate" and "campus" around, there is nothing desirable about the urban design - it is certainly not insiprational and little is being done at a human scale.

LEND LEASE - PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GIVE US SOMETHING OF WHICH WE CAN ALL BE PROUD!

I tried to scan that a few weeks ago but it didnt work
:(

The plaza looks nice but Vic Harbour looks shit in the render...agree with Favco.

If they ever decide to redevelop the West Melbourne railway yards then they shouldn't use Docklands as an example.

Sorry to go off the topic but will the Bourke St tramline be extended into Docklands/Vic Harbour or only the Collins St line?

So while Sydney powers ahead with design competitions bringing international glamour to their CBD with some of the most stunning office buildings in the country, Melbourne labours on giving the same old local architects the same old briefs to throw up the same old generic 10 story boxes in Docklands to suck the life out of the CBD office market.:ohno:
I would rather Docklands had not gone ahead at all...............

There are plenty of buildings like this in Sydney but they are located in places like Homebush and North Ryde.

The cost and complexity of building a new office tower in the Sydney CBD is putting off many companies who are moving to the burbs.

The opposite is happening in Melbourne with companies like Ericsson and Myer moving from the suburbs to Docklands.

So while Sydney powers ahead with design competitions bringing international glamour to their CBD with some of the most stunning office buildings in the country, Melbourne labours on giving the same old local architects the same old briefs to throw up the same old generic 10 story boxes in Docklands to suck the life out of the CBD office market.:ohno:
I would rather Docklands had not gone ahead at all...............

I tend to agree.

I don't know how it can become a genuine extension of the CBD if a city like London can't even achieve the street life like Mel Docklands are claiming to have.

It's just too huge a space.

So while Sydney powers ahead with design competitions bringing international glamour to their CBD with some of the most stunning office buildings in the country, Melbourne labours on giving the same old local architects the same old briefs to throw up the same old generic 10 story boxes in Docklands to suck the life out of the CBD office market.:ohno:
I would rather Docklands had not gone ahead at all...............

Yeah I'd rather we kept that unused wasteland so we can build more big shiny things in the city. Give me a break. We're getting in the CBD/Southbank: the Carlton Brewery towers with tower 4 likely to rise more than 250m, two x 200m+ towers on the powerstation, either a 140m office or 200m resi at The Foundry, Prima on Southbank, two 150m+ towers in Barton & Zen, loads more towers in the 70-100m+ range both on Southbank and in the CBD, who knows what we'll get on the Age site. Plus in Docklands a few 150m towers + a Rialto sized tower (supposedly one of the greenest in the world). What more do you want? And what does Sydney's CBD have to do with Docklands?

You say Sydney has some of the most stunning office buildings in the country, well I say Melbourne has some of the most stunning apartment towers and cultural buildings in the country. What difference does it make?

On another note, Harbour Esplanade update: Preferred submission should be announced by the end of the the month, before going on public display in November.

Yeah I'd rather we kept that unused wasteland so we can build more big shiny things in the city. Give me a break. We're getting in the CBD/Southbank: the Carlton Brewery towers with tower 4 likely to rise more than 250m, two x 200m+ towers on the powerstation, either a 140m office or 200m resi at The Foundry, Prima on Southbank, two 150m+ towers in Barton & Zen, loads more towers in the 70-100m+ range both on Southbank and in the CBD, who knows what we'll get on the Age site. Plus in Docklands a few 150m towers + a Rialto sized tower (supposedly one of the greenest in the world). What more do you want? And what does Sydney's CBD have to do with Docklands?

You say Sydney has some of the most stunning office buildings in the country, well I say Melbourne has some of the most stunning apartment towers and cultural buildings in the country. What difference does it make?



I agree with Archi on this....docklands is critical for Melbourne. However, I think that Lend Lease have let the design quality slip. It has nothing to do with height....but the quality of what is coming out...I hope they don't destroy the waterfront precinct

You're all too negative. I go to the docklands regularly and it's already starting to get busy and vibrant. I was there yesterday (for the Melbourne City Romp) and there were hundreds if not thousands of people walking around enjoying the beautiful weather. They were in the many restaurants and bars, attending the wedding expo at one of the new function centres on central pier, cleaning their yachts at one of the many marinas, and just relaxing in Melbourne's new water aspect. Imagine what it'll be like when it's complete - with all the new cultural, retail, entertainment, sporting, whatever developments finished.

Sure there may be some cheap design, but most people don't notice or care. If you ever though a site this large would get 100% A-grade design then you really were in fairy land!

^Yeah I don't quite see the problem (yet). So far, there are around 6 separate developments in Vic Harbour - 3 are pretty good quality (NAB, Dock 5, ANZ), the other 3 are mediocre to ok. Hardly a disaster. I think the key result will be in the quality of the streetscapes and street level design in the centre of the precinct.

Lets hope it's more QV than southbank.

As for people wanting it all to be high rise, the place would be windswept shady canyons. The heights they've got now will ensure that it has a similar environment to the centre of the cbd between elizabeth and russell streets. Reasonably sunny and protected from the winds.

Height in Docklands should only be south of the yarra, or batman's hill. It's important to ensure that the waterfront, Telstra dome and park areas around Vic Harbour, are not too overshadowed, otherwise they would end up like Batman park on the north bank of the yarra - empty most of the time.

It's not the same as circular quay, which is completely north facing and therefore can't be overshadowed by the tall CBD buildings.

Agree with gappa and OSJ. Those complaining about campus office need to remember that thats what tenants WANT. If they want it, then it will be built like that, its that simple. If they want a nice tall glassy tower, they'll get that too. But they all want campus.

(A serious question) Why didn't they make the subdivisions smaller? It seems the whole precinct consists of massive developments rather than the mixture of large and small lots which characterize the CBD.

Dockman's reply sort of answers that. The CBD has had time to evolve with buildings getting progressively larger and larger over time, as smaller buildings aren't as viable now for anything other than strata offices or studio apartments. Docklands has started from scratch but at a time when larger buildings are in demand. This also means that it will develop much quicker. The closest thing you will get to those smaller CBD lots are the boutique apartments at Waterfront City, Yarra's Edge and Vic Harbour and the follies. In the end it comes back to money.

Yes, I think the area adjacent to the park should have been subdivided into smaller lots with about five or six 8 to 10 storey apartment buildings by different developers and architects fronting onto the park.

This would have produced a far superior outcome to the twin Mosaic slabs.

I think that whilst it may maximise profits for lend lease and the other docklands developers, Vic urban could definately force them to mix it up a bit. Economic arguments don't stack up when you look at the simple fact that developers are having no trouble making money of smaller sites throughout the existing inner city areas.

That is one aspect where docklands lacks severely. There is either large towers, large campus buildings or faux villages such as waterfront city. There would be plenty of scope for interesting smaller buildings in areas like the western ends of Yarra's Edge and Vic Harbour, but I fear it will be a homogenous mix of more and more luxury apartments in similar designs by the same architect sitting ontop of large car parks.

It's actually Vic Urban's preference to have larger buildings so that the area develops faster. On a side note, I went and checked out the River Precinct display suite at Yarra's Edge and although it was only open by appointment, I managed to get a glimpse of the models for the lowrise, and as far as I could tell they looked for more interseting than Mosaic.

Archi you sneak! :)
The other point is, if there is so much land available for someone like Lend Lease, why would you want to buid taller but smaller buildings?

My problem is not campus style development - give the market what it wants - that is Melbourne's best advantage.

My issue is with the boring design of these buildings - aside from ANZ of course.

And my bigger issue is the lack of interest at a human scale. There are a few things we as pedestrians like - interesting facades, activated streetscapes, quality landscaping, traffic calming, undulating landscapes. We need depth and something to fancy around each corner. Long and wide streets are not fun to look at or walk down.

I think the problem with this area is it looks great from above - say 300 metres above ground level. But when you hit the surface it's not as interesting as it could be.

There is potential, they just need to think, I don't know, Globally. I hope the design at a human level evolves in time. I trust it will.

I think Harbour Esplanade will go along way in addressing those concerns.

Thanks for that answer Archi!

There will be laneways and sidestreets. There will be a few coming off Merchant Street between Bourke and Collins Street, and also Investigator Drive which will be a car-free lane to connect with Victoria Green (the new park behind Mosaic).

From Rialto today:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/VicHarbour20071021.jpg

I have faith it will improve. But looking at Harbour Esplanade at the moment - gee it's ugly.

I work in Vic Point, and have to see it every day, and yes Enrico, I agree with you.

Fujitsu to pre-commit to The Gauge instead of 818 Bourke Street !

Does that mean Fujitsu are planning to relocate from Nepean Hwy premises?

it's bye bye Cheltenham then.

Fujitsu to Docklands?

TECHNOLOGY giant Fujitsu is the latest tenant to flag Docklands as a future home for its Victorian headquarters.

Sources say Fujitsu has shortlisted Austcorp's 370 Docklands Drive office building, near Digital Harbour, and Lend Lease's 818 Bourke Street, near the ANZ Bank's new global head-quarters, as possibilities for a 5000 to 6000 square metre requirement it issued this year.

Both buildings are under construc-tion and due for completion in 2008, with Fujitsu's lease at buildings in Southbank and Cheltenham expiring in 2008-09.

Industry sources say 818 Bourke Street, known as Ericsson House, is the leading candidate, although the 9400 sq m available in the building has also attracted the interest of another unnamed IT company.

Leasing agents from both CB Rich-ard Ellis and Knight Frank, which are marketing 370 Docklands Drive, and DTZ Australia, which is marketing Ericsson House, declined to com-ment. A Fujitsu spokeswoman said a decision on the move would not be made until the end of the year.

Lend Lease's new development at 825 Bourke Street, The Gauge, repor-tedly had also been under consideration by Fujitsu. -- CHRIS VEDELAGO

thanks Agent.

So if it's in ericssons building that means no signage facing waterfront? :(

Still, good news.

it's bye bye Cheltenham then.



I'll miss the signs of global hi-tech Asian business being located in Kath & Kim country!

So if it's in ericssons building that means no signage facing waterfront? :(

Still, good news.

You mis-read, they're moving to the Gauge according to Agent X and not Ericsson House.

:nuts: Oops.

excuse my ignorance but which building is the Gauge??

The one under construction in OzFrog's pic. It's also known as 825 Bourke.

excuse my ignorance but which building is the Gauge??

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/JLL/JLL_42/300/JLL_42_88142_112555.jpg


I also found this render...
http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/JLL/JLL_42/300/JLL_42_88142_112558.jpg
Vs.
http://www.a-r-m.com.au/images/projects/24/photos/vicharbour_night.jpg

dont know about the flashy lights

that 100m+ transmission tower heritage listed?

I don't think it's a transmission tower but high tension power line? There are a couple of those behind the bolte, and they are a real blight on the skyline.

I think those transmission towers were built in 1980 when the Newport power station was built. I doubt they would have any heritage signfincance.

I think those transmission towers were built in 1980 when the Newport power station was built. I doubt they would have any heritage signfincance.

they will find a way

Oops my bad. Getting my definition of transmission towers wrong :ohno:

^oh ok. just wondering when they will be removed. look terrible. maybe replaced with underground lines?

^oh ok. just wondering when they will be removed. look terrible. maybe replaced with underground lines?

until recently (or even still ) that area is the assend of the city. They will go as Docklands spreads its claws of gentrification further west.

They add to the industrial character of the area. I don't think anybody would fight to keep them I don't see any reason why they would be removed.

I think the views into the port and industrial areas are even more interesting tahn views into residential areas, so much more variety and movement.

A month later than expected:

http://www.themontage.com.au/

From the render in the Age and Hun (which is from the rear) it looks somewhat better than Mosaic.

Dear god, more nine story apartments...

Towers will make a comeback all over Docklands in the next 6 months. Something to look forward to.

These small apartments will be taken over by larger builsing soon enough guys. Maybe the demand isn't enough to have a couple of huge high rises there just yet. Give it time it will get a few biggies soon enough.

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9151/pic0001yl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

View is from Victoria Green.

So thats in kooyong right? Not docklands?
=(

Mosaic:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9690/pic0013cl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This highlights exactly why I think Montage will be the superior of the two (I have no idea what's going on with the colour scheme):

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6418/pic0014zt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Gauge:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6862/pic0011bg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7890/pic0015nl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3152/pic0016wy7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Safeway:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6540/pic0017eu8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Other renders of The Montage from the website

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2425/montagedocklandsfu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9590/montagedocklands2pu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You proved my point. :colgate:

Gauge seems to have shot up pretty fast. Should look good.

Mosaic:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6418/pic0014zt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Someone needs to go Sony Bravia on that bitch!

This area is going to be a focal point for this part of Docklands...I hope that on the street level they succeed and bring all the activity and vibrancy from surrounding offices...this area is as important as Bourke Street and Swanstan Street in CBD area...

Someone needs to go Sony Bravia on that bitch!

Call of the day! :lol:

Other renders of The Montage from the website

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2425/montagedocklandsfu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9590/montagedocklands2pu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Gauge looks good. Montage looks ok (I wonder how it will look in 10 years time though - dated I suspect). Mosiac is very dissapointing (looks like a commission block).

I can't understand why Mosaic and Montage can't look more like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Melbourne_terrace_apartments.jpg

Yeah, I agree. It doesn't take much to move something beyond bland cliches, and it makes such a huge difference.

^^ The one and only reason: $$$$$
Cheap bastards! :ohno:

Today from Rialto...

Gauge:

http://ozfrog.thehoddlegrid.net/construction/VicHarbour20071115.jpg

According to today's AFR, IT company infosys is in advanced negotiations to take out 9,400sqm of space in 818 Bourke Street with Medibank expected to take around 3,500sqm also. At the end of the article it mentions that docklands is also on the radar for Telstra's new HQ..but i think it means its one of the options that telstra can choose.

St. Kilda Road to Docklands for InfoSys eh.