POLAND - Stadium and Arena Development News

[1.2 12V]

capacity 11000 during volleyball, basketball, hockey......concerts 7000-8000

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/Ninukiku/Spodek.jpg

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http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a8/Ninukiku/pp.jpg

[Sparks]

Any Pics from the inside?

[1.2 12V]

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Total dimenstions 60x30 m
Playing courts dimensions 40x20 m
Wysokość: Heights 16 m
Oświetlenie: Lighting: 2000 lux

[decapitated]

If nothing goes wrong the contract with the developer will be signed during the next two months and the constraction works will be finished by the end of 2009. The developer is HMB Stadien und Sportstattenbau GmbH in cooperation with Wayss und Freytag Schlusselfertingbau AG and Krupp Stahlbau Hannover GmbH. HMB has also constructed one of the world's most modern stadiums - the Arene Auf Schalke (Veltins Arena). The project provides a glass roof over the pitch, with could be opened and closed and will have a capacity of 35,000. The stadium will provide luxury boxes for VIPs, a undergroung parking for 2,500 cars and a restaurant for 1,500 guests.
The City of Warsaw will pay 178 million zloty (about 40 million Euro) out of 462 (110 million Euro) plus 22% tax. The rest of the costs will be covered up by the developer.
The stadium will be built right next to the Polish Army Stadion, the homeground of Legia Warsaw.
It will be the most modern arena in Eastern Europe.

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/3556/z3556665X.jpg

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[lukacio]

:) nice stadium :banana: :nocrook: :horse:

[Rausa]

Very good, nice clean design. A bit plain exterior but the inside looks damn good for a 35.000 seater..

[mako22]

Looks like a museum :colgate:
Anyway, I'll keep my thumbs crossed

[Mo Rush]

nice its very classic almost...

[DemoNeo]

It will be the most modern arena in Eastern Europe.

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/3556/z3556664X.jpg


You should also remember about Baltic Arena in Gdansk ;)

http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/2006_02/12438_filebig.jpg

[ZZ-II]

the new stadium looks great

[decapitated]

You should also remember about Baltic Arena in Gdansk ;)
Don't forget the roof in Warsaw;)

[Pelha]

Won…looks really cool, good news for Warsaw, the new stadium looks very good, modern and original design, I taste, congratulations for Warsaw!

[decapitated]

An old air photograph shows Legia's present ground. I've marked the place where the new stadium will be constructed

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/06.jpg

[Paulo2004]

Nice.

[crossbowman]

Looks really cool!
I like the plant cubes (if i got that right) among the parking slots :)

[Irish Blood English Heart]

Nice but does this mean the planned 60k stadium for Euro 2012 wont happen now?

[decapitated]

^^ The two projects luckily don't have anything to do with each other. This new stadium will be build by the City of Warsaw and will become the new home ground for Legia and the other stadium will be hopefully build on the other side of the river Vistula (Wisła) and is a government project. But there are still no details about the second arena. They're probably waiting for the UEFA to decide if Poland and Ukraine will host the EURO 2012 tournament.

[dysan1]

Nice looking place...as has been said, rather bland/uniform exterior, but nice from the inside

[mrk]

It would be better if they could just expand the present stadium Wojska Polskiego, it has so much history, and without the standing terraces the atmosphere won't be the same.

[decapitated]

^^ I've got no idea how you could extend the old stadium to reach the capacity of 35k. We want a new, modern arena not a cheap extention with no closing roof, no VIP boxes etc.

[Aka]

What they're goin' to do with the old one?

[decapitated]

As you can see on the renderings the old tribune (the one with the roof) will stay untouched. The other one, which has no roof looks smaller to me than in reality. I've heard that it will be destroyed, but you never know.

[mrk]

Who says that old grounds cannot be renovated, just look at bernabeu, it's more than half-century old and was upgraded multiple times, what about old trafford, or san siro. Anyways I don't think that vip boxes or roof create atmosphere to intimidate rivals. Sure the new stadium looks impressive, even more so, because you can compare it to the old one standing just beside it, but it just has this bland corporate feel about it, like most of the new stadias. I just think that when clubs move grounds they are abandoning a part of their history. Also whats the point of building a new stadium so near to the old one, even from financial point of view its more logical to just upgrade the old one.

[decapitated]

Well, I cannot agree. A renovation doesn't have be cheaper than a new construction if you want to reach the same standard at the end. The point of building the new stadium next to the old one is also to keep the tradition of Legia playing on Łazienkowska Street. As I am a fan, it would be nice to keep the Estadio WP atmosphere, but a new, modern arena seem more important to me as it is the fans who create the atmosphere and not a couple of bricks and plastic seats. And I can guarantee that the acustic in the new stadium will be much better than in the old one.

[Mo Rush]

baltic arena is super awesome u shud post the other renderings they are really wicked..

[DemoNeo]

baltic arena is super awesome u shud post the other renderings they are really wicked..

This is thread about Baltic Arena:
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=317942

[fgdf]

Baltic arena is just a dream. We hope new Legia won't be Decisions should be made in a few weeks.

[mikeeagle]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/3556/z3556665X.jpg

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I like the roofs steel structure above the pitch. If the sun is standing right, it will help the linesmen with offside decisions because it will produce a nice shadow and provide offside-lines.

It's like at the VeltinsArena auf Schalke:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/arenaaufschalke2.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/arenaaufschalke1.jpg

[Irish Blood English Heart]

Poland is going to have an impressive stadium infrastructure soon. Really hope you guys get Euro 2012 and if you dont go it alone for 2016.

[decapitated]

It was easy to predict. This project won't go into construction :sleepy:
The new project presented by the football club Legia Warsaw will be probably carrierd out and completlly financed by the city of Warsaw. The new stadium won't have a roof over the pitch :sleepy: And it will integrated the old tribune "Kryta" to the new project.
Some pics and renderings
Kryta:

http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/polen/wojska_polskiego/140.jpg

http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/polen/wojska_polskiego/180.jpg

http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/polen/wojska_polskiego/190.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/StadiumWAW2.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/StadiumWAW1.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/legia1.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/legia2.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/legia3.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/legia4.jpg

The construction works should start in March 2007 and a part of the reconstructed stadion will be ready by the middle of the following year. The final capacity will reach 32 000. The stadium will be constructed in 3 phases, after the first one the capacity will be 20 500, after the second - 26 000. The last phase will be only carried out if Poland gets to organize the EURO 2012 tournament. Than the capacity will reach 32 000 and the stadium will get the 4 star UEFA standard.
Summarized, F*uck it! Do they allway have to screw up everything?! This new project is a joke... :sleepy:

[decapitated]

The project was approved today. But you still not know for sure if it will go into construction as there will be new elections in few weeks and we'll see what the new administration in Warsaw will do.

[Simon-maly]

http://www.legia.net/fotopokaz.php?id=432&i=11

[Simon-maly]

http://www.legia.net/img/nowystadion/nowystadion11.jpg

[skaP187]

The stadium lay out looks a little bit like the Fc Groningen stadium in Holland (Euroborg) only this one is bigger. (Euroborg has a 20 000 cap, but is a fantastic stadium mop)
http://i10.tinypic.com/42s7kmo.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/332bkad.jpg
The simularity I ment is in the 'hooked' corners

[veronika]

The most modern and striking stadia in Eastern Europe will be firstly Shakhtar Donetsk in 2008 then Zenit ST Petersburg in 09. Both are funded both are going ahead no matter what off/on field politics bidding etc take place. As you know Donetsk is well underway and is starting to take shape.
Its a shame as Poland deserves a stadium of the sriking nature and quality of the above two but looking at that design its not the case, sorry.

[decapitated]

This is the final project of Legia's new stadium.

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt4.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt2.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt1.jpg

http://www.legialive.pl/zdjecia/stadion_projekt6.jpg

Hanna Gronkiewicz-Walz, the President of Warsaw

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/konf_ratusz2.jpg

[skaP187]

looking good, so when do we start?!

[decapitated]

^^ If everthing goes as planned already in fall :) And the conctruction works should be finished in fall, 2009. Total costs are estimated at 250 million zł (about 62,5 million Euro). The project is by JSK Architekten. 4 star UEFA standard, which means that the new stadium can host the UEFA Cup final.

[Mo Rush]

beautiful stadium..such a bargain for 63 million Euros.

[matherto]

the original reminded me a lot of LTU Arena, and the new one is like the MSV-Arena

very nice stadium

[michał_]

There already are some threads on stadiums emerging in specific countries, so I decided to launch one that would show the situation in Poland.

Now- as we all know Poland hasn't got even one world-class stadium, but the business got going recently. Municipal stadium in Kielce (15,5k) was actually the first reasonably big stadium opened in a decade (2006), before it it was their local rivals' stadium in Ostrowiec Swietokrzyski (7,1k). And the youngest grounds after these two are from the communist era if I recall well...

But now it is changing- not as fast as we would all wish, but it is surely going the right way, especially with the Euro 2012 stadiums. So now I will start with presentations of the stadiums (I'm placing smaller pics so that they don't upload for ages when you open the thread- bigger ones should appear later on).



IN CONSTRUCTION:

1. Municipal Stadium (Stadion Lecha), Poznan. - 46,5k (completely rebuilding in the same spot that the current stadium is, one stand after another)
timeline: 2004-2010
cost: 152mln zł (app. 40mln €), but it will surely rise. In my opinion at least double.
3 group games of Euro 2012 planned.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6605/stadionlechapoznan15gr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
there is also a chance of a retractable roof:
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4593/stadionlechapoznan01br3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
plus, recently a new vision was shown, the stadium with 5k extra to go for UEFA 5 star ranking, change bowl shape- my opinion, best so far:
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8527/dbfa7f7ff54a0be4yz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and here for current status:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6782/156ay5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(two new stands existing, the ones along goals will be demolished- starting in summer/autumn)


2. Stadion Wisly, Krakow. 32-34,5k (just as in Poznan the stadium is completely rebuilt on the same site)
timeline: 2004-2010 (for Euro 2012)
cost: some 150mln zl estimated, but should rise up to 250.

the vision (100% it will change -for the 4th time- but the final looks will be known in some 6 months, this is just to give you a clue, but propably all stands will be single-tiered):
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/434/wislakrakow01tv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

So far two stands before the goals are ready:
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9210/wisla30sg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) and another one identical to this, just without the White Star symbol

3. Stadion Zawiszy, Bydgoszcz. - 20,2k (mostly athletic use- stands remodelled and new buildings to be raised)
timeline: 2006-? (I can't recall)
cost: some 42mln zl (10mln €)

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7554/stadionwp3yw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/460/z3998645xqj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

currently:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6355/68f22550d7286097xu2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

4. Stadion Miejski, Ostrow Wlkp. -app.20k (speedway-use, stand by stand construction)
timeline: ???
cost: ???

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1024/8ed26241f9e0637f6b0abdeqw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

building construction:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9615/mainphpg2viewcorezd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



5. Stadion Polonii, Warsaw. - 16k (main stand and it's opposite to be refurbished, rest to be built)
timeline: 2007-2011
cost: 180mln zl (some 45mln €), but the cost and timeline are set for both the stadium and the sport complex around it.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7703/stadionpoloniiwarszawa0oh2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

currently the main stand is being covered, but as for the rest- sufficent funding has not yet been found and chances are relatively low.


PROPOSED:

National Stadium, Warsaw. - 60-70k (to be built in the spot of today's marketplace, once our national stadium) (for Euro 2012)
timeline: 2008-2010
cost: around 500mln zl (stadium alone, twice the amount with the planned complex)

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8108/stadionnarodowy07xb2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this vision WILL NOT be constructed, a new competition has been announced, we should know the final design in Autumn.

Stadion Slaski (Silesian Stadium), Chorzow. - app.50k (current bowl may be remodelled, surely a roof will be added)
timeline: ? (for Euro 2012)
cost: app. 150mln zl (40mln €)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8533/stadionslaski02cw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this vision MIGHT NOT be constructed, a new company is working on something different now, should be cheaper.

3. Baltic Arena, Gdansk. - 44k (brand new venue)
timeline: 2008-2010 (for Euro2012)
cost: up to 1bln zl (250mln €)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8160/arenabaltycka07rm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

4. Stadion Miejski, Wroclaw. - some 44k (brand new)
timeline: 2008-2010 (for Euro 2012)
cost: app. 400mln zl (100mln €)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9269/stadionmiejskiwewroclawva5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

(what you see is not the design, but an early view of how it should be located, design and construction competition has just started)

5. Stadion Miejski, Rzeszow. - 20-35k (brand new)
timeline: ?
costs: ?
the stadium was proposed and is still being discussed, but the information formerly given is out of date now.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9366/stadionstalirzeszow02oz1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


6. Stadion Legii, Warsaw. - 32k (to be built in the place of current stadium, with the historical main stand building facade incorporated)
timeline: 2007-2009
cost: some 360mln zl (90mln €)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3423/projekt4oj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1316/projekt2jr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

7. Stadion Hetmana, Bialystok. - 22k (brand new)
timeline: 2008-2010/11
cost: 240mln zl (60mln €)

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4680/stadionhetmanabialystokmh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9427/stadionhetmanabialystokfo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

8. Stadion Gornika, Zabrze. 15-25k
This one is a newly announced proposition since the Allianz Group started their sponsorship deal with Gornik club. They want to build it in cooperation with the municipal authorities.

9. Stadion GOS, Lubin - 20k
The design will be known in July (5th) or, if the club doesn't reach agreement with the designers, we'll have to wait for another company to start working on it. The new stadium will be incorporated in the current bowl of the stadium, just like in Leipzig, Grozny and St. Petersburg:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3447/9yiyzzgfy9ntnpnulo1nkb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The Polish industrial giant KGHM will finance it, app. 100mln zl (25mln €)

10. Stadion Ruchu, Chorzow. - 18k (rebuilding of current stadium, one stand after another)
timeline: ?
cost: up to 80mln zl (20mln €)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2237/stadionruchuchorzow06oc1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

11. Stadion Widzewa, Lodz. - 16,5k (main stand to be refurbished, others rebuilt)
timeline: ? (year or year and a half needed)
cost: up to 60mln zl (15mln €)

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2290/4z4ljqpjf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

12. Stadion Arki (GOSiR), Gdynia. -15k (completely rebuilt one stand after another)
timeline: 2007-2010 (?)
cost: ?

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7613/gosirgdynia01sw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

13. Stadion Radomiaka, Radom. -15k
nothing certain as of yet.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1508/stadionradomiaka200601nu5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

14. Stadion Miejski, Krakow. -14,5k (old stadium rebuilt stand by stand)
timeline: 2006 (one stand demolished), 2008-2010
cost: 80mln zl (propably out of date)

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6200/janapawlaii01up5.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5781/janapawlaii10ux7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

15. Stadion MOSiR Bystrzyca, Lublin. - 12,5k
timeline: ?
cost: 32,5 mln zl (8mln €)

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/472/stadionmosirbystrzyca02cr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

16. Stadion Edwarda Jancarza, Gorzów Wlkp. -10k
timeline: ?
cost: ?
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5056/stadionstaligorzow01tj4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)






This would be about it for now. I tried to choose the mst propable to be built, but Polish reality shows that there is nothing certain. Hopefully most of them will be available to take a seat and cheer our teams in the next few years, especially that most of the 1st league football team stadiums are featured here.

[fgdf]

Poznan : now capacity - 50000 planned cost ~460 mln zl ( 115 mln EURO)

[michał_]

I wouldn't be so sure. The president of Poznan said it depends on funding and that depends on government decisions. Nothing certain so far.


As for the National Stadium, the international competition for it's design was supposed to end today, but due to high interest and complicated procedures (well... some designers simply didn't send all the required documentations on time) the deadline was expanded to July 13th. So far 27 design offices have expressed their interest in participating in the competition. The final desig will be known in October, the work should start next year.

[michał_]

Maybe it's not the most popular thread... still I have some determination to make it work.

Here's some news on the new stadium for our current champions- Zaglebie Lubin. The decision on their stadium's final design (currently estmiated at "over 100mln zl", previously at 90mln tops) was postponed from July 6th to beginning of August (3rd). Yet someone found the stadium's project on one of Germany's 3D designers' website. However- THE DESIGNER ASKED ME TO REMOVE THE RENDERINGS AS THEY APPEARED TO BE SECRET :) THEREFORE THEY WILL BE POSTED BACK AROUND AUGUST 4TH.

It is to be built inside the bowl of current stadium, capacity at around 20k. There are currently 3 bidding projects from 2 companies. For sure one of them is Polish- (Bienkowski, Lis, Mierzwa Architekci), the other one is said to be from abroad.

In case of any details coming up I will edit this post.

[Jim856796]

National Stadium, Warsaw. - 60-70k (to be built in the spot of today's marketplace, once our national stadium) (for Euro 2012)
timeline: 2008-2010
cost: around 500mln zl (stadium alone, twice the amount with the planned complex)

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8108/stadionnarodowy07xb2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

this vision WILL NOT be constructed, a new competition has been announced, we should know the final design in Autumn.

Whether or not the stadium will have an athletic track surrounding the main soccer field is uncertain.

[blix]

Hi!
Today present's Champion's Hall in Wloclawek (Population: 120 000 ). Champion's Hall it is in sport centre (hotel, pool, stadium and training soccer fields, gym, sauna, small hall, tennis-courts, hall to Cryotherapy, in winter ice rink).

Champions Hall cost: ~5.830.195 EURO. Year of building: 2001. In hall play: Anwil Włocławek (great Polish team). Roof be hung on tenches!


Technical data:

Detached building, one-storey. General structural elements are 22,108 meters high (the highest point of hitch). The ground floor section on its blueprint has a shape of penetrating ellipses with dimensions 88,75x66,25m and 75,75x80,75m with protruding stair-cases and main entrances for the viewers (6,30 meters high)

Area of the building – 6058,99 m2 (the ground floor 4964,4 m2)
Area for use: 8819,89 m2 in:
Level 0.00 –4547,75 m2
Level 3,30 – 1364,10 m2
Level 3,625 – 2908,04 m2

Area of the playing field – 53,75 x 29,00 = 1558,75 m2 the floor of a type Hamberger Sportboden “Haro”

Area of the platform – 2 x 1570,92 m2

Cubature netto of the main aisle – 40 000 m3
The number of stationary sits – 3500 (maximum 4000).




Włocławek is capital city of Kujawy:
http://www.wloclawek.webd.pl/albums/wloclawek/03_bulw_noc.jpg

1.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/pl/e/e2/Halamistrzow.JPG

2. Night
http://www.wloclawek.webd.pl/albums/wloclawek/16_hala_con1.jpg

3.
http://forumwloclawek.bonusserwis.pl/galeria/data/media/2/9.jpg

4. Inside
http://www.wloclawek.webd.pl/main_page/panoramy/pn_hl.jpg

5.Air photo:

http://www.wloclawek.webd.pl/albums/w_lot/013020.jpg

6.Anwil fans:

http://www.wtkanwil.com.pl/img/big/wtkanwil-1177805556-03.jpg

7. Sport centre:
http://bip.osir.q4.pl/media/Biblioteka-1/osir.jpg

[GNU]

quite a big list.
Will they all definitely be built?

[michał_]

quite a big list.
Will they all definitely be built?

Yes the list is impressive, but we haven't had much construction going on so far :)

The ones I feel are (almost-there's always something unpredictable that may happen) going to be constructed for sure (at least partly as some of them are planned to be built stand-by-stand) are the National Stadium, Lech Poznan Stadium, Baltic Arena, Wisla Stadium, Legia Stadium, Zaglebie Lubin Stadium, stadiums in Bydgoszcz, Ostrow, Rzeszow and Bialystok.
But actually among these even there are more and less probable. I think the ones named first are more likely to be built, the ones later are less probable.

Plus- Radom city has changed plans lately- they now want to built the stadium (design may actually change sicne the plan has) as part of a huge complex in other part of the city. It would still be some 20k, plus a 7k indoor arena and other facilities. Radom is trying to be one of the training complexes for euro 2012.

[masterpaul]

I expected better from krakow... it such a wonderfull city, with lovely architecture. And then they end up build these 2 horrible stadiums.

Disgrace.

[VelesHomais]

Nice stadiums there

[michał_]

I expected better from krakow... it such a wonderfull city, with lovely architecture. And then they end up build these 2 horrible stadiums.

Disgrace.

Vice-president of Krakow announced that they are considering hiring a professional institution (read: architects from the West) to finish the stadium. Two stands too late, but always something.

[LMCA1990]

good for poland and nice stadiums. are they wanting to hold a euro cup?

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ Poland & Ukraine are holding it in 2012.:)

[Alle]

http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21531&a=866428&lid=puff_866428&lpos=lasMer
(http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21531&a=866428&lid=puff_866428&lpos=lasMer)

Auch!!! Hard punishment, gonna be restricted from European play one season.

But what the hell are they doing, why not keep the fighting outside the stadium? I understand they are upset at their team, but is this the way they show that they are not doing well? Especially when they after all isnt doing that bad apparently.

Reminds me of swedish club Hammarby IF's supporters going on the pitch when they where third in the league and had a chance on the gold, not after that incident they didnt. I mean what did they have to do that for, ive seen supporters do such things when clubs are being degraded and are generally in a bad condition (for example THIS ONE (http://brugd.ctrl-c.liu.se/~globaltifo/filmer/bajaik04.wmv) ) , even that doesnt excuse it but it does explain it.

[michał_]

http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21531&a=866428&lid=puff_866428&lpos=lasMer
(http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=21531&a=866428&lid=puff_866428&lpos=lasMer)

Auch!!! Hard punishment, gonna be restricted from European play one season.

But what the hell are they doing, why not keep the fighting outside the stadium? I understand they are upset at their team, but is this the way they show that they are not doing well? Especially when they after all isnt doing that bad apparently.

Actually that isn't about Polish stadiums too much ;)
Seriously- I don't know what exactly have you read, but can you imagine a game with 3 000 fans of Legia Warsaw with 100 policemen on board?!
I cannot excuse these guys (although I got a bit used to that kind of situations in Krakow) , but in my opinion the Lithuanian side should be held responsible as well (of course not that strictly).

I'll just recall that Roma got 3 games without home audience after Frisk had his head bleeding, Feyenoord has only one-year ban even though their fans started disorders twice and in Nancy it was pretty much similar to Vilnius. On the other hand I also rememeber Legia's game in Austria 3 years ago...

[michał_]

Fresh images of the Poznan stadium- 50k, 5 stars. The only disadvantage of this design is the already built "4th stand" which doesn't fit at all. As the stadium is constructed stand-by-stand there is no work now, but the construction of 3rd stand (2 already built, one fully, one partly- waiting for construction of others) will commence this year, around autumn.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8387/newpictureshtmlrs5.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7010/61832739ft8.jpg

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4886/z4310743xks9.jpg

[lpioe]

^^
the 4th stand is really ruining it :(

I really like the Stadion Hetmana, nice little stadium.

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8387/newpictureshtmlrs5.jpg


Nice, but the concept might need few improvements, The design resembles Alianz Arena and Warsaw's project of Stadion Narodovy too much the built stand defenetly ruins the design and finaly the metal construction above the pitch is defenetly ugly. Personaly i like the 4 stand concept, without metal carcass.

[Quintana]

I actually quite like it with that smaller stand. It makes it more unique.

[michał_]

Vampiro- I guess it is a bit matter of taste- I quite like the new roof construction. As for resemblance- I don't think the architects even hoped for comparison to Allianz Arena :) As for similarity to the Warsaw's National Stadium- don't worry, the design we know won't be completed so it might actually turn out to be completely different :)

And speaking of National Stadium- unfortunately we'll have to wait until November to know the final design, because there are serious criminal charges against 2 members of the Central Sports Center (my translation which sounds a bit absurd- owner of the National Stadium's ground) so the bidding procedures need to be checked, which will make it late one month. What makes it a bit more positive is the news that the reason for checking procedures for a month is that there was a really huuuuge interest in the competition so we might be treated to some decent designs in Autumn! I'll try and catch most of them if it will be possible and the total number may reach 30 or more...

[TwItCH]

http://stadiony.net/projects/arena_baltycka/arena_baltycka06.jpg

Will the smaller structures around the stadium as seen in this picture also get built?

[michał_]

The problem is Stadiony.net couldn't bare the transfer generated by hotlinks (or how you call it), so the photos hotlinked from there aren't showing up. :)
But yes, these smaller structures are part of the designs. Difficult however to say whether they will be done for 2012 as Poland seems to be running out of time and some procedures aren't taken good care of. Still, the stadium itself shouldn't have delays.

[TwItCH]

Yeah, Stadiony.net was the only place I found the picture of the smaller structures (but I think you know what I'm talking about, thx)

Nevertheless this will be the best looking stadium for the entire Euro 2012 soccer cup.:cheers:

[pan_tomas]

Project
http://www.uml.lodz.pl/raport/img/sport3_d.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4546/halalodz048zrzm8.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4172/halalodz065ptok1.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6528/halalodz089yuqs2.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8126/halalodz106liet8.jpg


Feb 2006
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/9260/stitched0085gz9xa.jpg

May 2006
http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/2195/pict17739tp.th.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/o/a/forum/415/2/415292.jpg

Jul 2006
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7069/stitched001ia5.jpg

Aug 2006
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7310/pan3mb1.jpg

Sep 2006
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1415/stitched001cr5.jpg

Dec 2006
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/8619/stitched002ff9.jpg

Jan 2007
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9166/stitched002dd4.jpg

Feb 2007
http://images11.fotosik.pl/50/8858e6f416a77071.jpg

Mar 2007
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2647/12gt4.jpg

Apr 2007
http://images20.fotosik.pl/281/9224fafb6e51d24b.jpg

May 2007
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7655/hala009bn9.jpg

Jul 2007
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3717/stitched005pu1.jpg

[Alle]

Running tracks around the icerink? Are they crazy, youd think the planners would have learned how catastrophic that is by now.

It would be better if they built the stadium a little higher (or lowered the pitch beyond ground level), and built the stands just by the icerink. And when used for athletics, they can just remove some of the front rows, also the result being that the ones closest will sit higher up and have yet better views for athletic events.

I see they've already started, still, they could lower the pitch more and add some rows of seats further down which can be removed for athletics events.

By the way ive never ever seen a icehockeyrink with running tracks around it before. But the result is just like in any other sports, spectators further from the game.

[michał_]

A newsflash on the euro2012 venues:

Overall it isn't looking good, because instead of forming stiff committees that would do their job we still see our government giving jobs to people by political option, not by qualifications needed. Our new sports minister.... I don't think she knows what an offside or free-kick is.

1. Warsaw
Situation is shit. Recently a man who used to be Warsaw's main architect (when Poland's current president ruled the city) and has a mixed reputation (lightly said) got a place in the Ministry of Sports. He declared that there is no chance for the National Stadium will be finished by the first deadline set by UEFA (06.2010). That wouldn't be so bad, after all bigger time slips are available, but he wants the whole design competition to be canceled after almost 30 high class design offices have submitted their bids. Pathetic.
On the bright side (which is the smaller side)- the stadium is now said to be up to 80 000 seats.
I can already imagine the Polish FA Cup (Puchar Polski) final there- 10 000 people on a 80k-seater.

2. Wroclaw/Breslau
The bidding procedure for the design of the new stadium has just ended. 26 top flight offices sent their designs. The official statement says that big names from USA, Japan Europe and even someone from Poland took part. We may well expect HOK Sport there, they're everywhere :)
The stadium will have 40 000 or even (!) 60 000 seats, as the organizers set almost no boundaries for the designers' creativity. The stadium will be conjoint with a huge retail/leisure centre. Cost between 100-130mln €. I guess they will just make it 200mln when the construction starts :)

3. Chorzow (reserve)
specialists will now check the best possibilities of saving the current design. About time :) It's been renovated since 1997, so it took them a while. Capacity may rise up to 60 000 seats. Jesus- why didn't we bid for the World Cup then?! Only Krakow will have a stadium under 40k.

4. Krakow
The architect will give his final vision (let's hope so, he won't live long enough for another one with his speed) in Winter this year. Meanwhile a new media building should be started construction on in next several weeks. Possibly in winter the construction on new East Stand may be started (demolishing current one will be the first step).

5. Gdansk
snoooooriiing. Zzzzzzz....
Actually the municipal authorities bought almost all of close to 500 private parcels that cover the new ground's territory. It's going the right way I guess/hope.



Still about Euro 2012:
Authorities of more and more cities want to express their hospitality towards the competing teams and are planning to build facilities that will be used for training. One of the biggest I've already shown (Radom), the other one is planned in Rybnik:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2702/halastadion01lz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
athletics/speedawy stadium with an indoor-sports hall next to it as part of a huge leisure complex, with a hotel, skating hall, natatorium, football school and more. For now these are only plans, but who knows.


And apart from Euro:
The stadium in Bialystok will be remodeled (design in the first post of this thread). This came as a result of social consultations. As soon as I know the effects, I will let you know.

[antigr12]

in the case of the warsaw stadium , will there be an athletic track scheduled or not ? cause it'll be the national stadium the city could want to use for hosting ol games one day , not only for football .

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ My guess would be no, because 70k today is not enough for olympic games... I think that it should be an awsome football only venue, good enough for any match... From Euro to CL final.

[antigr12]

if the stadium has 80000 seats as mentionned by michal for last estimate , no doubt they have in their mind to make their national stadium an olympic multisports venue , like so many other cases in equivalent reknown world cities ( istanbul , athens , berlin , sdf in paris , chinese cities etc.... ) , not only for football .

[michał_]

Vampiro- unluckily for both of us it will probably have an athletics track. At least the last vision shown had it and no-one declared change of plans.
Plus- Madrid is bidding for Olympics in 2016 with a stadium of 66 000. How come?

[desmo]

3. Chorzow (reserve)
specialists will now check the best possibilities of saving the current design. About time :) It's been renovated since 1997, so it took them a while. Capacity may rise up to 60 000 seats. Jesus- why didn't we bid for the World Cup then?! Only Krakow will have a stadium under 40k.

4. Krakow
The architect will give his final vision (let's hope so, he won't live long enough for another one with his speed) in Winter this year. Meanwhile a new media building should be started construction on in next several weeks. Possibly in winter the construction on new East Stand may be started (demolishing current one will be the first step).

Krakow is also a reserve venue

[michał_]

niedopatrzenie, bez podtekstów :)

[Mati-PL]

Nevertheless this will be the best looking stadium for the entire Euro 2012 soccer cup.:cheers:
I agree, but project of Baltic Arena is the best for now. We don't know how Warsaw, Wroclaw and Poznan (there isn't final project yet) stadiums will look like. Maybe they will surprise and shock us :D who knew. However, Donieck stadium will be great too.

Baltic Arena visualization
KM4VwFmUCQc

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

Vampiro- unluckily for both of us it will probably have an athletics track. At least the last vision shown had it and no-one declared change of plans.
Plus- Madrid is bidding for Olympics in 2016 with a stadium of 66 000. How come?

Still, the designs of both proposals that i have seen are very impressive (perosnaly i like the black & white one:)). And about Madrid, i am very surprised about such bid... Usually olympic stadiums are much bigger and a smaler venue might become a disadvantage to the bid.

[matherto]

These stadiums are pretty damn fantastic, would be great if they all got built as they are here.

[michał_]

Sadly, today our new sports minister announced that the competition for National Stadium will be canceled. New, more simple and clear procedures (and not so time-taking) are due to be applied for Warsaw.

But for some reason she spoke of the National Stadium as a 55000 stadium! Which is a shock of course after news adding 10k each time until we reached 80 000 two weeks ago. Still- it is supposed to be only the opening-game stadium, so who knows, this might be true.

She also said the stadiums in Wroclaw, Gdansk and Warsaw will start construction in 2009 and will be ready in late 2011. That's even stranger, cause Wroclaw was supposed to start the digging in 2008, just as was Gdansk.

But she also mentioned that it's impossible to build a stadium for 30, 40 or 50k in less than 2,5 years. That makes me pretty unsure about further developments in this country. God help these morons!

[renco]

Thouhgt it could only happen in Croatia :bash::ohno:

[Daewon]

Next time mate :cheers:

[renco]

I ment construction setbacks and delays ;)

[michał_]

I ment construction setbacks and delays ;)

I'm afraid there are even more countries :D Look at the new ever-awaited Galatasaray, Panathinaikos and more... :)

[Cidade_Branca]

2. Wroclaw/Breslau
The bidding procedure for the design of the new stadium has just ended. 26 top flight offices sent their designs. The official statement says that big names from USA, Japan Europe and even someone from Poland took part. We may well expect HOK Sport there, they're everywhere :)
The stadium will have 40 000 or even (!) 60 000 seats, as the organizers set almost no boundaries for the designers' creativity. The stadium will be conjoint with a huge retail/leisure centre. Cost between 100-130mln €. I guess they will just make it 200mln when the construction starts :)


Who win in Breslau?

Do you have the winner projects?

[michał_]

Who win in Breslau?

Do you have the winner projects?

Sorry, nothing yet. They will announce it in the middle of Autumn (around half of October) if no delays appear :)

As for now- far scepticism is over the National Stadium in Warsaw, the venue for Euro2012 opening game. Sports minister confirmed she meant it when she said it will be a 55 000-seater instead of 70 000. Plus, noone knows if it will be built replacing the hitorical 10th Anniversary Stadium or next to it. Plus, the competition already hosted was canceled and a new one will be made shortly.
So some even say the Silesian Stadium in Chorzow will replace it as opening-game-venue.

[Perun]

Zagłębie Lubin new stadium. Project it's not final, there is only proposition.

Project:

http://images24.fotosik.pl/20/3347e62ce7eb2b05.jpg

http://images28.fotosik.pl/20/32feb644a9a0a7a6.jpg

http://images30.fotosik.pl/20/539d85534e37ac34.jpg

Current status

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3447/9yiyzzgfy9ntnpnulo1nkb0.jpg

[skaP187]

This must be a Dutch design, so boring...

[michał_]

This must be a Dutch design, so boring...

Guess again. Still what have you got against Dutch stadium-design?

The new and official version of the Lubin design will be known tomorrow so we might be treated to something nice.

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ What is the planned capacity?

[Perun]

^^ 15 000 or 20 000. Tommorow will be official information and project.

[masterpaul]

In the latest conference...


Warsaws stadium will be a football only stadium with a capility of 55 000

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ Well i am a little disapointed about the capacity, however it's great that it will be a football-only venue. :)

[DemoNeo]

In the latest conference...


Warsaws stadium will be a football only stadium with a capility of 55 000

I'm a little disappointed because I counted on 70 000 seats

[michał_]

First absolutely official and final (as they say) rendering of the new Zaglebie Lubin stadium, not far at all from what some fan found at the graphic's website:

http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/upload/nowy_stadion1.jpg

They already signed a deal for constructing the stadium with PebeKa – Hochtief today! The demolition of lower parts of current stadium will start this year.

[Perun]

^^ Official capacity - 16 300 seats

And renders:

http://images21.fotosik.pl/391/1eaf1a5f68ef81ff.jpg

http://images25.fotosik.pl/71/a7b79a39d8e4d038.jpg

[DemoNeo]

More renders:
http://images13.fotosik.pl/59/08e166aad7d650bdm.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=08e166aad7d650bd) http://images29.fotosik.pl/72/1728afcfcfb30975m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=1728afcfcfb30975) http://images13.fotosik.pl/59/7dd31323fb0ddca7m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=7dd31323fb0ddca7) http://images21.fotosik.pl/391/ec171113abd5c5cfm.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=ec171113abd5c5cf)
http://images30.fotosik.pl/72/127e792b3c7550cam.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=127e792b3c7550ca) http://images21.fotosik.pl/391/a34428a97aef1583m.jpg (http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=a34428a97aef1583)

[masterpaul]

Doesnt Work... how do I make it work?

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/K4B5VZlwLlE"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/K4B5VZlwLlE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>




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Anyway... this is Zagłębia Lubin Stadium, thanks to Damin, you can view this on Youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4B5VZlwLlE


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[michał_]

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=K4B5VZlwLlE

And a movie with the presentation

[sampras]

like this:

K4B5VZlwLlE


remember not to write in < > but in [ ] on forums :)

just QUOTE my post to see how it's done - hope that will do :D

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

Guys, i am getting freaked out. Tabloids are full of crap saying that Poland might relinquish the right to host Euro. Please tell me it isn't true.:cry:

[michał_]

Guys, i am getting freaked out. Tabloids are full of crap saying that Poland might relinquish the right to host Euro. Please tell me it isn't true.:cry:

What exactly are they saying? :)
We hear about major or minor threats all the time, I got used to it, to be honest.

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

What exactly are they saying? :)


They say that Polish officials are not taking Euro seriously, and very little got done. Btw did the law about Euro finaly get approved?

[michał_]

They say that Polish officials are not taking Euro seriously, and very little got done. Btw did the law about Euro finaly get approved?

The Euro 2012 law is on it's way which honestly surprises me.
As for the government- true, they aren't treating it too seriously but for now it's all going it's way. Slowly, but forward- with many obstacles but forward :)

Actually I am shocked because yesterday a new construction at the Wisla stadium began and by the end of the year the ground will have a multimedia facility. Of course it's a reserve venue, but still.

Lech stadium may be ready in 2010 which is very good.

Wroclaw are doing their job very well preparing to built the stadium and they claim even without the Euro 2012 legislative they will have their brand new world class stadium ready at the end of 2010 (half a year after the initial date, but still better than Portugal or Switzerland...).

The only thing is Warsaw which is this government's biggest failure as for now. Hope the manage to make it work, if not Poznan or Chorzow will probably fight for the Opening Game.

There are many issues about roads, infrastructure in general, but I guess Ukraine has problems with that as well...


Actually we're not doing too bad I must say. With all of our stadiums being new (or rebuilt which is again- new), there is Dniepropietrovsk almost finished, Donetsk on it's way to be before the scheduled deadline, Krakow almost half way, Poznan similarly, Odesa soon to be started construction on, Gdansk not far behind, and detailed projects on the rest are being done.

I'd say don't worry, be patient ;)

[Mo Rush]

great stadia. really impressed.

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ Well regarding roads there are many problems, slowly but things are moving. Hotels & other infrastructure should not be a problem, investors are very keen on such investmets. Stadiums in Ukraine are on the right track. Odesa might have a setback, because they need to relocate the club into another stadium, however none in the city meet UEFA requirements. But it's not a big problem. Lviv's mayor promised a final project to be revilled on 5th september. Kyiv ("big boys" bribed someone and the construction site in front of the stadium will be removed) the problem is the second stadium that has to be built. Idiots from the local governmet still can't find the place fot it. But generaly it's going fine so i hope everything will be ok :)

[sampras]

here you have latest Poznan stadium viz:
3O9uc0vuaMM

[michał_]

Hear'ye hear'ye,

I have great honor to present the last (so far :P), most recent, most accurate, best of the best of the best- VISION OF reserve Euro 2012 stadium in Krakow.

Please post your thoughts... or don't, this is humiliating enough...

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4660/stadionwislywizualizacjdu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

From a distance it doesn't look that bad, so just look at it full size:
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/other/stadion-wisly-wizualizacja-wrzesien-2007.jpg

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

Hear'ye hear'ye,

I have great honor to present the last (so far :P), most recent, most accurate, best of the best of the best- VISION OF reserve Euro 2012 stadium in Krakow.

Please post your thoughts... or don't, this is humiliating enough...

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4660/stadionwislywizualizacjdu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

From a distance it doesn't look that bad, so just look at it full size:
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/other/stadion-wisly-wizualizacja-wrzesien-2007.jpg

It's not bad. Transparent roof, and no metal railings over the pitch. However the positioning of the lights is strange. By the way what is the current planed capacity?

[VelesHomais]

Pretty good, I like it. Looks like those medium English stadiums.

[lpioe]

Don't see what's so bad about it either.
It's nothing special but it looks decent, I like the idea of only one tier behind the goals.

[michał_]

Don't see what's so bad about it either.
It's nothing special but it looks decent, I like the idea of only one tier behind the goals.

That's not an idea really. The stands behind the goals are already standing and the 2-tier ones have to be this big to accommodate the spectators. This is if I'm not wrong the 7th vision so far.

If you see nothing bad about it please describe what you feel about the corners being uncovered, badly shaped and distanced from the one-tier stands instead of attaching them (I'm not talking about making it a ring by connecting sections, but there seem to be some 5m distance). Not to mention that the stand you see on the right will be some 20m from the pitch.

[maly1000]

According to the official news, the capacity is most likely to be around 32 000. May be a bit more, cause the last project didn't mention two double-level stands, but only one.

[michał_]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4467/z4467113X.jpg

Different view on the Krakow stadium. Your opinions now?

[TwItCH]

:puke: :ohno: Krakow deserves better.

[Gecko1989]

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwthats really gross

[VelesHomais]

Strange, but alright :)

[DemoNeo]

All in all I think that this is a change for the better, but I know that some people hate this design. It's just a question of taste :)

[VelesHomais]

It's better to accept it as a positive change from the start, otherwise you're going to hate it all your life, especially if you're from Kharkow :)

[Mo Rush]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4467/z4467113X.jpg

Different view on the Krakow stadium. Your opinions now?

awesome!

[johnz88]

its not very suited for this stadium, it blocks the view of the nice roof and also the two already built stands and it doesnt match any of the other type of construction that already is there. imo they should take of all the squares at the top and use the blue steel to hold up the roof.

[michał_]

It's better to accept it as a positive change from the start, otherwise you're going to hate it all your life, especially if you're from Kharkow :)

In Poland Kharkow is closer to Charkow (Kharkiv :P), but I guess you did mean Krakow. ;)

Guys, rendering shown today is still different from the one shown yesterday. It's all like a merry-go-round: starts spinning and then you're starting to fill dizzy. This is the one from today, shows the other side of the stadium, but you may spot some differences from the yesterday's vision.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5181/z4468785xtz7.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4468/z4468762X.jpg

[VelesHomais]

:lol: yes, I meant Krakow but typed Kharkow...

[michał_]

Finally something fresh on the new National Stadium issue.
The new venue will not be constructed in the former stadium's bowl as it was planned before. It will be raised next to the former ground. In the bowl there will be an indoor arena. First, very general renderings showing the planned area use (don't treat them as final):

http://m.onet.pl/_m/72d62d54026907105b233aaee8b9a232,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a0d18808f2c079fe2d70d35497ba54b1,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/0874d97555317c505d6d642f28068858,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a2244a1ac6cf63b1ff1f1ef24995a583,14,1.jpg

[masterpaul]

NOTE: That the above stadium, is one of many proposistions for the stadium.

In november we will hopefully know how the stadium will look like, and who will build it.

[jumping_jack]

It seems a project for Astana or some another asian former soviet republic (especially the tower...)

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ I have no idea what you mean, personally i like it, the design for roof is unique and the use of space is great. Obviously side stands are better for visibility than behind goals, as for capacity i don't see a problem, anyway Legia will have it's own stadium and as there is no athletic track 55k seems reasonable.

[michał_]

NOTE: That the above stadium, is one of many proposistions for the stadium.

In november we will hopefully know how the stadium will look like, and who will build it.

It shows how the terrain is to be arranged. The whole concept dates back to 2001 (if those bloody idiots took action then we would have a world-class stadium now) and was created by Wojciech Zablocki, a known (in our country) sports-venue architect.

Jumping_jack - get real, the Astana stadium is yet another stadium done in "modern" fashion, nothing "former soviet" about it. Just as this stadium- it has all the features you could take from normal Werstern-European or oriental stadium designs. And the tower is a big hotel/office building that does actually correspond with high-rises in the neighborhood.

[masterpaul]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4489/z4489913X.jpg

[Mo Rush]

Finally something fresh on the new National Stadium issue.
The new venue will not be constructed in the former stadium's bowl as it was planned before. It will be raised next to the former ground. In the bowl there will be an indoor arena. First, very general renderings showing the planned area use (don't treat them as final):

http://m.onet.pl/_m/72d62d54026907105b233aaee8b9a232,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a0d18808f2c079fe2d70d35497ba54b1,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/0874d97555317c505d6d642f28068858,9,1.jpg

http://m.onet.pl/_m/a2244a1ac6cf63b1ff1f1ef24995a583,14,1.jpg

weird..i designed something like that a few days ago..same shape..same tiers.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/20070909231400_2m12s.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/20070909232835_2m23s.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/20070910003939_2m26s.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/20070910005344_2m8s.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/20070910004344_2m11s.jpg

[michał_]

That means you're going the right way :)

[TwItCH]

^^ and that also means that Warsaw is going the wrong way.

[michał_]

^^ and that also means that Warsaw is going the wrong way.
And why is that?

Just for the record- we have written with Masterpaul that is no final design, but a vision of how the new complex is supposed to be located in reference to the existing stadium bowl.

[masterpaul]

Actually if you consider.. that Mo rush's stadium can not be built because of law of phisics... (no support for roof). Warsaw's stadium can be built. Apart from that both designs look good.

[www.sercan.de]

So, thats the 55.000 Warsaw national stadium?

[michał_]

^^ Yep, but not it's final shape, just a model of the complex to base on. The final one will be known in November.
By the way- construction has started on the stadium in Lubin.

[www.sercan.de]

But the pre design looks still very good
Reminds me of City of Manchester stadium
Looks like it will have many suit boxes

[michał_]

But the pre design looks still very good
Reminds me of City of Manchester stadium
Looks like it will have many suit boxes

We agree then. Still- the final one may be something completely different I'm afraid. Is it good or bad news we'll find out in winter :)

[www.sercan.de]

I don't think the final will be so different.
Look at GS stadium :D

Pre
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1774/aliprojexq1.jpg
http://www.sabah.com.tr/2007/04/12/im/ABF634149F97E9458EE67FB1r.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9409/280862122440lo1qy6.jpg


Semi-Final :D
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1700/seyrantepestadi02so3.jpg

Final
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/24846/2000439560963079123_rs.jpg

[michał_]

I don't think the final will be so different.
Look at GS stadium :D

Pre
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1774/aliprojexq1.jpg
http://www.sabah.com.tr/2007/04/12/im/ABF634149F97E9458EE67FB1r.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9409/280862122440lo1qy6.jpg


Semi-Final :D
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1700/seyrantepestadi02so3.jpg

Final
http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/24846/2000439560963079123_rs.jpg

Still, if I'm not mistaking- this is all from ASP. Meanwhile in Warsaw the idea is made by one Polish architect (and his team of course), while the final concept might be created by someone completely different. In this case it was only shown to preset the location outside the existing bowl, instead inside it as planned initially.

[www.sercan.de]

Still, if I'm not mistaking- this is all from ASP. Meanwhile in Warsaw the idea is made by one Polish architect (and his team of course), while the final concept might be created by someone completely different. In this case it was only shown to preset the location outside the existing bowl, instead inside it as planned initially.

Oh shit. Thats totaly different.
So, its just more like a masterplan etc

But capacity will be around 55.000?

[michał_]

Yes it will be 55 000, but for masterplan- I'm not sure if it isn't a word too big. Anyway- we'll have to see.

[Mo Rush]

Actually if you consider.. that Mo rush's stadium can not be built because of law of phisics... (no support for roof). Warsaw's stadium can be built. Apart from that both designs look good.

but this stadium can be built.
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/CTstadium.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/CTstadium2.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/CTstadium3.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p210/rfataar/1179659084.jpg

[sampras]

^^ where it is to be build? Is it a visualization only, or a final design anyway?

[Sponsor]

^^ where it is to be build? Is it a visualization only, or a final design anyway?

Cape Town, RSA - now in building.

[MoreOrLess]

I believe the key to stadiums like the Cape Town WC one or proposed redevolped Nou Camp is a very strong ring at the inner edge of the roof.

[Rizzato]

that looks great!
football stadiums have become truly beautiful over the years.
camp nou and st.james park are 2 of my favorites, but the one in the these pictures is incredible

[krzysiu_]

^^^^ Wrong thread :bash:

[Kuvvaci]

wonderful stadiums for Poland.

[TwItCH]

^^^^ Wrong thread :bash:

ignorant americans.....:ohno: :lol:

[Mo Rush]

I believe the key to stadiums like the Cape Town WC one or proposed redevolped Nou Camp is a very strong ring at the inner edge of the roof.

Suspended roof

-As a suspended roof plane, it focuses attention downwards onto the
playing field. At the same time, the underside of the roof surface, hovering above the spectators, operates in a way similar to the façade. The translucent mesh skin under the steel cable and truss structure will act as a luminous disc during days of sunlight and will transmit the colour and atmosphere of the day into the stadium interior. The double skin design of the roof further makes it possible to accommodate (unsightly) services therein and, for example, avoid the use of pylons for the floodlighting. It fulfils an important function as far as noise attenuation is concerned. The roof structure is designed as an acoustic “body” with its own internal volume. The principle of utilising the air space inside the body of the roof as a
noise buffer is one of the compelling simple and active design principles applied to the stadium. The key to this principle is the requirement that the “inner” (lower) and “outer” (upper) surface of the roof structure must have different densities and therefore display different acoustic performance characteristics

[michał_]

During today's presentation of the detailed project of Warsaw National Stadium by architect Zablocki (detailed version of what we have seen recently), he said that with some 55 000 seats it will have retractable roof over the pitch, most pobably mobile lower tier, allowing it to change from football-specific to athletic just like Stade de France. Also, the pitch is said to be mobile, but will it mean sliding outside the stadium structure like in Gelsenkirchen? Don't ask me :)

[masterpaul]

hmm:


It means that the pitch can slide outside the "modern, beautifull stadium". So it can grow better I think

Lets hope its not gonna look like this:

http://www.wldcup.com/Asia/stadia/sapporo/pict16.jpg


Wielofunkcyjny Stadion Narodowy z rozsuwanym dachem na linach, otoczona parkiem hala sportowa na płycie obecnego Stadionu Dziesięciolecia oraz górujący nad całością wieżowiec - tak wygląda przedstawiony w środę projekt Narodowego Centrum Sportu w Warszawie prof. Wojciecha Zabłockiego.
Stadion Narodowy ma powstać do połowy 2011 roku na błoniach Stadionu Dziesięciolecia. Według koncepcji Zabłockiego i jego współpracowników obiekt będzie przystosowany nie tylko do rozgrywania meczów piłkarskich, ale i zawodów lekkoatletycznych. Służyć mają temu wysuwane na zewnątrz dolne trybuny, co umożliwi położenie bieżni. Ruchoma będzie również sama murawa i dach z teflonowego, półprzeźroczystego materiału, zawieszony na siatce linowej.

Do architektury Stadionu Narodowego będzie nawiązywać hala sportowa, która ma powstać wewnątrz Stadionu Dziesięciolecia. Otoczy ją park rekreacyjny na tarasach powstałych z przykrytych ziemią trybun obecnego stadionu. Według Zabłockiego nieodzowne jest przerwanie korony Stadionu Dziesięciolecia, by szeroko otworzyć drogę z hali sportowej do Stadionu Narodowego i by oba obiekty mogły "nawiązać dialog".

Zabłocki zaplanował także odznaczający się lekkością wieżowiec złożony z trzech skrzydeł, galerie wystawowe i kładkę dla pieszych kibiców nad Wisłą.

Projekt spodobał się dziennikarzom i architektom, którzy nagrodzili go oklaskami. Architektom spodobał się pomysł połączenia nowego ze starym, zachowania, choć w zmienionej postaci, korony Stadionu Dziesięciolecia, który - jak powiedział jeden z uczestników dyskusji - stał się "urną prochów" Warszawy (obiekt powstał na wywożonych tysiącami furmanek gruzach stolicy).

Nie zabrakło też uwag krytycznych. Niektórzy goście konferencji twierdzili, że projekt jest zbyt skomplikowany, trudny do realizacji pod względem technicznym i podkreślali, że w dobie zmian klimatycznych i coraz częstszych w Polsce huraganowych wiatrów konstrukcję trzeba wzmocnić.

Najczęściej pojawiającym się słowem w dyskusji była "wielofunkcyjność". Słynna płotkarka Grażyna Rabsztyn obawia się, by nie zwyciężyła koncepcja czysto piłkarskiego Stadionu Narodowego, wybudowanego tylko z myślą o mistrzostwach Europy w 2012 roku. - Stadion wielofunkcyjny będzie lepiej wykorzystany - powiedziała brązowa medalistka olimpijska z Moskwy, która ma nadzieję, że na Stadionie Narodowym będzie można przeprowadzić mistrzostwa świata w lekkiej atletyce.

Wybór projektu Stadionu Narodowego ma nastąpić jeszcze w listopadzie tego roku.


The Final Project will be chosen this November.

It seems that there are different propositions [according to how it is written] for how the sport complex will look like.

[SilesianSkyscraper]

Silesia Stadium in Chorzów (Upper Silesia Metropolitan Area):
today

http://www.sekcjaspadochronowa-wawel.krakow.pl/strony/rysunki/rys_d/biezace/2005chorz2.jpg
http://bank.muratorplus.pl/images/Vol0002/23508_2.jpg
http://republika.pl/blog_jp_33006/39326/tr/helik_stadion_slaski_4.jpg

in 2010
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/4083/z4083339X.jpg

Silesia Stadium is located in the biggest city park in Europe, near the center of Katowice and Chorzów. Near the stadium lives 5 milion peoples and it is 3 internation airports (Silesia - Pyrzowice, Cracow Balice and Ostrava). Capacity toda - 50 000, in 2010 - 65 000 peoples.

[TwItCH]

During today's presentation of the detailed project of Warsaw National Stadium by architect Zablocki (detailed version of what we have seen recently), he said that with some 55 000 seats it will have retractable roof over the pitch, most pobably mobile lower tier, allowing it to change from football-specific to athletic just like Stade de France. Also, the pitch is said to be mobile, but will it mean sliding outside the stadium structure like in Gelsenkirchen? Don't ask me :)

Ewww... so baisically your saying that we're stuck with the crappy design we were presented with earlier?

[masterpaul]

No, no thats one of many designs aparantly proposed for the complex.

Wait till November...

[Kuvvaci]

are the architects of those stadiums the same as Allianz Arena?

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8108/stadionnarodowy07xb2.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8160/arenabaltycka07rm5.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9269/stadionmiejskiwewroclawva5.jpg

[Sponsor]

are the architects of those stadiums the same as Allianz Arena?

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8108/stadionnarodowy07xb2.jpg

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8160/arenabaltycka07rm5.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9269/stadionmiejskiwewroclawva5.jpg

Stop comparing every "rounded stadium" to Allianz.
btw
1. Not actual
2. Little similar but it has original gold elevation and it's better than AA for me.
3. Not actual.

[michał_]

are the architects of those stadiums the same as Allianz Arena?

No Kuuvaci.
1. Stefan Kurylowicz, one of very few names in Polish stadium architecture
2. Rhode+Kellermann+Wawrowsky (Germany)
3. Not even a design, a very early stage drawing :)


Masterpaul- no, it isn't one of many dsigns. It is the only design so far. But it will be used as kind of a masterplan for the company that will be chosen to design the stadium.
And as for the "mobile pitch" - I have no idea, because in the renderings- there is no space for the pitch to slide outside.

Twitch- I don't get your sad sarcasm, but you should be happy that the final design probably will be different than everything we've seen so far.

[TwItCH]

^^ I also understand that the ugly tower with three wings is actually a real vision that is part of the project (I was hoping that it's just there to represent a highrise) is that true?

[michał_]

^^ I also understand that the ugly tower with three wings is actually a real vision that is part of the project (I was hoping that it's just there to represent a highrise) is that true?

Well, since eveyrthing there you describe as ugly and a step in the wrong way- you shouldn't be surprised. But which part of "kind of masterplan" you don't understand? This design is ONLY a proposition that will be set as example for the company chosen to design the complex in November.

[mrk]

i really think most of these designs lack character and it's a must, especially for a club stadium. the only one i genuinly like is lech's. it may look tacky on the outside, but who really cares. inside it's top quality. let's just hope the national stadium isn't a case of much hyping up and then bringing the expectations crashing down.

[michał_]

i really think most of these designs lack character and it's a must, especially for a club stadium. the only one i genuinly like is lech's. it may look tacky on the outside, but who really cares. inside it's top quality. let's just hope the national stadium isn't a case of much hyping up and then bringing the expectations crashing down.

Just remember that most stadiums haven't got their final designs drawn yet (Chorzow, Warszawa, Wroclaw- this e should know on Oct.20th, Krakow) so really there is little chance we will have it the way presented.

As for Poznan it's funny you should say that because this stadium was all mssed up by the architect and that is why it's iregular and he stands have problem fitting. Also- the darkest nightmare of Poznan has came true today. They aid it depends on the financing from national budget whether they build a 45 or 55k stadium. The amount neededwas 218mln zl. They were just informed the national authorities plan to give them 70mln. That doesn't give them neither the more expensive, nor the smaller version. Or at least that is my understanding of the press releases and Poznan authorities words.

All the cities have heard the bad news- the cost will be subsidied by governmental money only in 1/5. Worst situation will happen in Gdansk because their stadium was announced he most expensive ( up to some 800mln zl) and the city itself cannot handle it.

On the other hand our sports minister and finance minister both said the new national stadium will cost... 3,5bln zl! That's 900mln euros or so! How come? Don't ask me, we'll wait to hear what does this number cover (maybe a seperate airport for the stadium)... Just for the record- this amount would be enough to finish all the remaining 5 stadiums in world's top class...

[mrk]

Just remember that most stadiums haven't got their final designs drawn yet (Chorzow, Warszawa, Wroclaw- this e should know on Oct.20th, Krakow) so really there is little chance we will have it the way presented.

As for Poznan it's funny you should say that because this stadium was all mssed up by the architect and that is why it's iregular and he stands have problem fitting. Also- the darkest nightmare of Poznan has came true today. They aid it depends on the financing from national budget whether they build a 45 or 55k stadium. The amount neededwas 218mln zl. They were just informed the national authorities plan to give them 70mln. That doesn't give them neither the more expensive, nor the smaller version. Or at least that is my understanding of the press releases and Poznan authorities words.

All the cities have heard the bad news- the cost will be subsidied by governmental money only in 1/5. Worst situation will happen in Gdansk because their stadium was announced he most expensive ( up to some 800mln zl) and the city itself cannot handle it.

On the other hand our sports minister and finance minister both said the new national stadium will cost... 3,5bln zl! That's 900mln euros or so! How come? Don't ask me, we'll wait to hear what does this number cover (maybe a seperate airport for the stadium)... Just for the record- this amount would be enough to finish all the remaining 5 stadiums in world's top class...

jaysus, i'd say sod the national stadium if it's going to syphon the funds from other projects. 900m euros for a 55k capacity stadium is a ludicrous amount.
are they going to put leather seats with tv screens in them or something?

as for my comment on lech's interior, what i meant by top quality was that it looks unique(like westfalenstadion or anfield) and i can see it help create good atmosphere. there are lots of stadiums in the world with lavish fittings, but they still look bland and corporate(emirates, wembley etc.), so i welcome each one that goes away from such concepts.

[Mo Rush]

Just remember that most stadiums haven't got their final designs drawn yet (Chorzow, Warszawa, Wroclaw- this e should know on Oct.20th, Krakow) so really there is little chance we will have it the way presented.

As for Poznan it's funny you should say that because this stadium was all mssed up by the architect and that is why it's iregular and he stands have problem fitting. Also- the darkest nightmare of Poznan has came true today. They aid it depends on the financing from national budget whether they build a 45 or 55k stadium. The amount neededwas 218mln zl. They were just informed the national authorities plan to give them 70mln. That doesn't give them neither the more expensive, nor the smaller version. Or at least that is my understanding of the press releases and Poznan authorities words.

All the cities have heard the bad news- the cost will be subsidied by governmental money only in 1/5. Worst situation will happen in Gdansk because their stadium was announced he most expensive ( up to some 800mln zl) and the city itself cannot handle it.

On the other hand our sports minister and finance minister both said the new national stadium will cost... 3,5bln zl! That's 900mln euros or so! How come? Don't ask me, we'll wait to hear what does this number cover (maybe a seperate airport for the stadium)... Just for the record- this amount would be enough to finish all the remaining 5 stadiums in world's top class...

enough to pay for all new and upgraded stadia for 2010

[blix]

:>

[Irish Blood English Heart]

I really like this sort of basketball arena

[DJRexxx]

WROCŁAW :cheers:

Fotos by : nitrograd


http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/60830379jz9.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/78168257xd4.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/80597016fo2.jpg

[cianobuckley]

Although the infrastructure has been much criticised the stadia for Euro 2012 will be a huge improvement (size wise) on 2008

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

I love new Wroclaw stadium :okay:, traditional European bowl shape!

[Second City]

I love all of them...really nice.

[Mo Rush]

wow thats awesome

[masterpaul]

The stadium will glow in different colours (red, white when poland is playing and green when the club team is playing).

The design was inspired by a chineese lamp.

[Mo Rush]

it really is amazing..im so happy when architects use their imagination to design a stadium rather than the designs of other existing stadia

[michał_]

initial design of Szczecin stadium. Net capacity 30 000, part of a huge commercial complex.

http://www.wszczecinie.pl/imagen.php?id=15338


Plus the stadium in Lubin has already one terrace down, the smallest one.
http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/inc/klub/nowy_stadion/budowa/27.10.2007/male/budowa1.jpg


For the record, I just remind everyone it will look like that:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5863/63206055cv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mo Rush]

initial design of Szczecin stadium. Net capacity 30 000, part of a huge commercial complex.

http://www.wszczecinie.pl/imagen.php?id=15338


Plus the stadium in Lubin has already one terrace down, the smallest one.
http://www.zaglebie-lubin.pl/www/inc/klub/nowy_stadion/budowa/27.10.2007/male/budowa1.jpg


For the record, I just remind everyone it will look like that:
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5863/63206055cv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
the final design has that cool media/vip/box above the final tier..its a great design and there are some videos on the net going though the construction process

[masterpaul]

the final design has that cool media/vip/box above the final tier..its a great design and there are some videos on the net going though the construction process

this one?

K4B5VZlwLlE

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I think Szczecin's stadium is similar to this one:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4680/stadionhetmanabialystokmh7.jpg

P.S. Michal I think we need to update the 1st Post.

[www.sercan.de]

Whats the reason for the stadium boom in poland?
Only EURO 2012?

[michał_]

Masterpaul- I think this thread is big enough not to base on the 1st post. It's date is visible, so is the time of last edition. No need to change it everytime something hapens.

Whats the reason for the stadium boom in poland?
Only EURO 2012?

It acually started a few years back. But the financial situation was visibly worse. Back in 2003 we already had several major stadium plans, but due to insufficient fundings fo most time they were only virtual. Plus, there was absolutely no previous experience, no Polish architects with designs in their portfolio. Now it started off, there are more specialists, more sponsors, the economy is still on a high and it seems we still have a few designs comming, especially with he new UEFA requirements...

[www.sercan.de]

Thanks...looks like Turkey is the only country still wainting for the boom :(
Portugal, England, Germany, Netherlands, polan, Ukraine, Russia....
Always the loosers/last :nuts:

[michał_]

Thanks...looks like Turkey is the only country still wainting for the boom :(
Portugal, England, Germany, Netherlands, polan, Ukraine, Russia....
Always the loosers/last :nuts:
Actually, with:
-Sukru Saracoglu built
-Ataturk Olympiat built
-Seyrantepe finally starting to get shape
-Kadir Has Sehir close to an end
andsmaler ones like Kasimpasa's ground
and a few other designs you're well ahead anyway.

In Poland the construction is going on only in Krakow and Lubin (football specific) + Bydgoszcz (athletic) + Ostrow Wielkopolski I think (speedway). We haven't got even one stadium able to host a CL game, while you alread hosted the final and will host another one of the UEFAC in 2 years...
You're not judging your country fair. :)

[www.sercan.de]

You do not know Turkey Michal :D

Sükrü Saracoglu isn't a very good stadium
Actually only the 2 stands behind the goals were planned (20.000->42.000)
Later they changed the plans (42.000->50.000)
There are many faults (you can't see the pitch to 100% at the edges)

"Olympic" stadium is a disaster...stands behind the goals are to low, although the area of the stadium is famous for a very strong north-south wind

Yes, new GS stadium will start, but lets be honest, it isn't a great design, just "stadium" (look at Gdansk Arena or even wroclaw)
You have/had architecture competitions -> good design
We?..no money...copy here..copy there :D

Kayseri is lucky, because a rich Man (kadis Has, died last year) donate around 30 mil $-US

Kasimpasa stadium is just a renovation and its a stadium with 2 stands :D

The rest sucks. There have been plans like in Bursa, but big debates and fights->never built

And we have silly proposed projects like new 30,000 stadium for Ankaraspor (average attendance 100) in a City near Ankara

Many plans, but no results. I mean even the proposed stadiums are mainly "cheap". Quality is very bad. Look at the renderings here in this thread and the renderings for the Kayseri, Bursa or Trabzon stadium...its like Burj Dubai vs. a village :D

money is the biggest problem here in Turkey
Sinan Erdem Dome, still u/c (started 1992)
30,000 stadiun in Sanli Urfa still u/c (started 1993)

I do not want to start with the proposed arenas for WC 2010 in Turkey...DISASTER...maybe Turkey will have to give it to another country

[sampras]

In Poland the construction is going on only in Krakow and Lubin (football specific) + Bydgoszcz (athletic) + Ostrow Wielkopolski I think (speedway).

there is also Poznan stadium, though at the moment there is nothing going on. Hopefully soon they will start rebuilding one of stands, and once it is finished two main stands and lights will be replaced.

^^ I've been in Istanbul, and must say, that your stadiums look better (at this moment at least) then ours

[www.sercan.de]

Depends on in which stadium you have been :D

[Second City]

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5863/63206055cv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is it just me or does that not look like enough parking?

[michał_]

Is it just me or does that not look like enough parking?
Hehe, I guess it's not only you :) but no idea how they will sort it out. Maybe someone from Lubin will come across and solve this mistery.

Sercan- I'd rather have the Seyrantepe than Baltic Arena really :) matter of taste I guess... But after your description I think our countries have a lot in common :D

Sampras- true, but since nothig is going on I didn't count it in.
But a news not given here: a new competition for completition of the 2nd stand (behind goal- 3rd tier adding) in Poznan is prepared. The works should begin early next year.

And info not given here before again: there are 3 companies among which the new minister of Sports will choose the designers of new National Stadium in Warsaw. Those are:

APA KA - Polish, they have designed stadiums for Bialystok and the first (Allianz'alike) design for Warsaw national. Plus they were awarded in the competition for Wroclaw design with a nice concept.

HOK Sport - do I have to write anything about them? :)

JSK- designed Wroclaw and new Legia's ground, LTU Arena.

[www.sercan.de]

Lol why?
I really like the facade
http://miejsca.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/stadiony_EURO/stadiony_euro6.jpg

http://www.fotbal.agentex.cz/gallery/1176923536_z4038096x.jpg

[michał_]

Sure it looks nice, but it's not at all that original. The idea is already old- just too many stadiums like that being planned/built. That's why I like Seyrantepe more... Plus in terms of infrastructure (retractable roof, number of boxes) ...

[www.sercan.de]

Ehhm, Seyrantepe is a copy of Amsterdam ArenA. :D
Suits are just a matter of demand (BTw, There are rumours that the no of suits will be increased from 149 to 180-max. 200)

[michał_]

Ehhm, Seyrantepe is a copy of Amsterdam ArenA. :D

Yet there are only two stadiums like that and according to me it's far more different than ArenA than Baltycka is compared to 20 other stadiums :)

[www.sercan.de]

Ok, thats true. But it looks also a lil bit cheap.
"organic" stadiums look more expensive IMO

[rediwan]

I didn`t find in this thread any good pictures of "Baltic Arena" in Gdansk so:
(located in official city web site)

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena01.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena01.tif?PHPSESSID=786f58df6a7907dbf68dc34bb40da2dc

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena02.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena02.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena03.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena03.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena04.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena04.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena05.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena05.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena06.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena06.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena07.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena07.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena08.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena08.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena09.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena09.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena10.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena10.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena11.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena11.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena12.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena12.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena13.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena13.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena14.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena14.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena16.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena16.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena17.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena17.tif

-small
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena18.jpg
-big (.tif)
http://www.e-gdansk.gov.pl/ogolne/foto/baltic_arena/foto/BalticArena18.tif




Presentation in .pps format
http://www.e2012.gdansk.gda.pl/multimedia/baltic_arena.pps



and for those who knows polish, thread in polish part of ssc forum
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=148428

[masterpaul]

What an amazing stadium

[michał_]

Something new, fresh render of the new Arka Gdynia stadium. Planned capacity 15k.
Both the level of the design and capacity have already given this stadium a lot of criticism on Polish forums. The current stadium is 12 000 and already, being one of the worst stadiums of all big cities, it is often full or close to full. So this is far from many expectations. On the other hand it won't be to painful to destroy it and build something better in 10 years :)

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/dziarskihank/wnetrze1.jpg

[Metal]

The design for the national Stadium in Warsaw has been chosen, little changes if any could be made.
At first i didn't like at all the design, but now i think it's really nice and original.
Capacity: 55.000

http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00025/wizualizacja2_25866l.jpg
http://images34.fotosik.pl/64/a02d2ce5b134ad76.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4705/z4705483X.jpg
http://www.sbp.de/en/html/photo/phpfiwarschaua.jpg

It's possible the roof will be completely closable. Someone has even started a discussion to build the stadium with a bigger capacity, but i sadly doubt that.
In a few weeks the deal will be signed.

Similar project for the World Cup 2006 in Germany of the roof and how the mecanism covers the whole pitch:

http://www.dr.dk/NR/rdonlyres/90A28AE0-87A6-4D04-8BFE-0CB30C4964F9/258526/c0504ac2b7ba46be9a19860df4854d07_800.jpg
http://www.11freunde.de/img/vereine/stadien/12_470.jpg

[michał_]

Heh, it's similar because the same people did it :)
And the same system of closable/retractable roof will be applied in Stuttgart.


And to add something more, yesterday Krakow authorities have chosen the designer of the new Cracovia Stadium (app. 15-16k). It will be Estudio Lamela's work. And it looks like that:

http://www.terazpasy.pl/var/plain_site/storage/images/media/images/stadion/lamela_04_600/29066-1-pol-PL/lamela_04_600.jpg

http://www.terazpasy.pl/var/plain_site/storage/images/media/images/stadion/lamela_03_600/29063-1-pol-PL/lamela_03_600.jpg

http://www.terazpasy.pl/var/plain_site/storage/images/media/images/stadion/lamela_02_600/29060-1-pol-PL/lamela_02_600.jpg

In my opinion it's a very nice design, will fit really smoothly with the surroundings. Cost around 115mln zl (35mln euros). It will have a hockey arena integrated.

[Mo Rush]

The design for the national Stadium in Warsaw has been chosen, little changes if any could be made.
At first i didn't like at all the design, but now i think it's really nice and original.
Capacity: 55.000

http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00025/wizualizacja2_25866l.jpg
http://images34.fotosik.pl/64/a02d2ce5b134ad76.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4705/z4705483X.jpg
http://www.sbp.de/en/html/photo/phpfiwarschaua.jpg

It's possible the roof will be completely closable. Someone has even started a discussion to build the stadium with a bigger capacity, but i sadly doubt that.
In a few weeks the deal will be signed.

Similar project for the World Cup 2006 in Germany of the roof and how the mecanism covers the whole pitch:

http://www.dr.dk/NR/rdonlyres/90A28AE0-87A6-4D04-8BFE-0CB30C4964F9/258526/c0504ac2b7ba46be9a19860df4854d07_800.jpg
http://www.11freunde.de/img/vereine/stadien/12_470.jpg

Well its a combination of designs.
The fabric roof I hope will have the retractable roof but that idea was scrapped for Cape Town's world cup stadium due to the shadows. The facade is also typical GMP architects, with its column like structures ans single layer/membrane facade.

I think the design will be modified such that the facade does not extend beyond the roof but rather intersects with the roof supporting the entire roof structure from below rather than from above.

The exact colours and/or effect of the facade would also probably change to accordingly.

[sampras]

As far as I know in Warsaw they've just choosen JSK Architects to make the design, and I am not sure if the one above is a design that will go through to next stage

[decapitated]

^^ This is the design by JSK

[sampras]

^^ I know, but is it only a visualization used for the bid and a few other conceptions are to be prepared by JSK, or what we can see above will rise soon?

BTW Poznan update thanks to mateq
http://tinypic.pl/t1/out.php/i61351_stadion.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8591/49577077lz3.jpg

3O9uc0vuaMM

[lpioe]

^^ interior looks great, but I don't really like the outside.
What's the cap?

[krzysiu_]

^^ 43 or 50 ;)

[decapitated]

^^ I know, but is it only a visualization used for the bid and a few other conceptions are to be prepared by JSK, or what we can see above will rise soon?
JSK said that they won't make any big changes.

[Locke]

I think it's cool that the national stadium reflect the flag. I wish the capacity was closer to 80k than 55k and I preferred the original concepts with the black spacey design, but at the end of the day I'm sure it will be a great stadium for its purpose.

They should have built the Wroclaw stadium in Warsaw, I hear the design was a wee bit on the pricey side to implement though:

http://wrosystem.um.wroc.pl/beta_4/webdisk/efbf1161-940a-4d61-a2d1-4a76f1169e38/stadion_1wyroznienie.jpg

[TwItCH]

Did anyone see what HOK's bid for the national look like? Are there any renders?

[sampras]

@ decapitated -> thanks mate

@ krzysiu_ -> still two options: ~45k and 50k
(stand no.2 will be expanded, but two main stands have two variants
Being honest it's all about money :D )

I still don't fancy the facade :( there have been one visualization that I like, but somehow "big balloon" roof idea is pushing hard

[michał_]

Did anyone see what HOK's bid for the national look like? Are there any renders?
nothing published yet. Guess we'll have to wait for some leaks, which fortunatelly do happen at times :)

[fgdf]

New Posnan Municipal's renders

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/197/stad1jv7.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5500/stad3li8.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3862/stad4iq3.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8128/stad2sg4.jpg

[michał_]

a bit poor quality. Here are smaller, but better ones:
http://www.mconstructions.pl/1lech.html
(the stadium's architects' website)

[michał_]

Final renders of the new National Stadium in Warsaw:
http://sport.onet.pl/0,0,77254,21,0,fotoreportaz.html (click on image to go to next photo)
55 000 as planned (860 for press, 900 VIP, 2 000 business class), construction to start in March 2009, construction end: Oct-Nov 2011.
Under the pitch 1 700 parking bays (where the current pitch is, the new one will be built 9m above), under the stands over 130 000 square meters for commercial, conference spaces etc.
Retractable roof over the pitch which is evolution of the Waldstadion (a.k.a. Commerzbank Arena)- the "needle" over the pitch will work as an umbrella, spreading the fabric to cover the whole venue.
In my opinion it's really great, simialr to other designs by JSK + SBP + GMP, but it's a really nice combination.

[TwItCH]

Poland is coming up with some very unique, original stadiums.
There is the nat'l in warsaw that has a very orignal facade representing the flag.
Gdansk's Baltic Arena with its unusual colors (suiting the name) that make it look fantastic (the name is also genius)
The Poznan stadium's shortened stand
And Wroclaw's crazy design which makes it truly distinctive

[michał_]

New official concepts of mid-class stadiums:

Bielsko-Biala (South-east of Krakow), app. 15 000 seats
team: Podbeskidzie Bielsko-Biala (middle of 2nd league)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9091/stadion1me4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9852/stadion2pv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.ts.podbeskidzie.pl/pliki/stadion3.jpg


Wodzislaw Slaski (Silesia region), app. 12 000 seats + a big mall behind one of the goals
team: Odra Wodzislaw Slaski (1st league)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8848/galeriaodra03mi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9123/galeriaodra02di6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[masterpaul]

The first stadium nice, but the construction is too heavy.

[TwItCH]

New official concepts of mid-class stadiums:

Bielsko-Biala (South-east of Krakow), app. 15 000 seats
team: Podbeskidzie Bielsko-Biala (middle of 2nd league)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9091/stadion1me4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/9852/stadion2pv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.ts.podbeskidzie.pl/pliki/stadion3.jpg


Nice!! That's where I'm from!

[masterpaul]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/3/4905/z4905103X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4905/z4905102X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/4905/z4905101X.jpg
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/4905/z4905100X.jpg

[michał_]

Today it was confirmed that the Wisla Krakow stadium will look as it was previously shown. Meaning this:

dMBoXxXhOeY

It will also have 3 Hilton hotels (!) built next to it. One will be of the Hilton Garden Inn brand (2nd in Krakow) and 2 other ones will be of the highest standard.

Terrain overview:
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/4d33058d8d1900435e82fa1214ee8b54.jpg

the stadium:
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/d96c3c24285536d0ba68fb046b7e94df.jpg

Hilton 1 (left), Hilton Garden Inn (right), new Wisla Krakow 4 500 arena (blue one) and Wisla Krakow's indoor sports main buildings (between the hotels)
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/5980b597e3a29371998f011a1be270f2.jpg

Upper left corner- Hilton 2.
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/74cc6e1df2d23972aee76f487fc27c42.jpg

some 2 years ago gossip said Hilton might want to invest in Wisla as sponsor to build a hotel near the stadium (15minutes walk from the very centre, next to Europe's biggest meadow with high leisure value), but it seems they'll get more than they wanted initially without touching the club.
Still, they will have to have really good acoustic control cause Hilton's guests might not be happy with the stadium roaring on weekends...

[sampras]

^^ not to mention hooligans ....
I hope Hilton Co is aware of that ;]

[Bandera]

Today it was confirmed that the Wisla Krakow stadium will look as it was previously shown. Meaning this:

dMBoXxXhOeY

It will also have 3 Hilton hotels (!) built next to it. One will be of the Hilton Garden Inn brand (2nd in Krakow) and 2 other ones will be of the highest standard.

Terrain overview:
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/4d33058d8d1900435e82fa1214ee8b54.jpg

the stadium:
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/d96c3c24285536d0ba68fb046b7e94df.jpg

Hilton 1 (left), Hilton Garden Inn (right), new Wisla Krakow 4 500 arena (blue one) and Wisla Krakow's indoor sports main buildings (between the hotels)
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/5980b597e3a29371998f011a1be270f2.jpg

Upper left corner- Hilton 2.
http://www.wislakrakow.com/www/picture/2008/74cc6e1df2d23972aee76f487fc27c42.jpg

some 2 years ago gossip said Hilton might want to invest in Wisla as sponsor to build a hotel near the stadium (15minutes walk from the very centre, next to Europe's biggest meadow with high leisure value), but it seems they'll get more than they wanted initially without touching the club.
Still, they will have to have really good acoustic control cause Hilton's guests might not be happy with the stadium roaring on weekends...

Looks nice, but is it going to be used for Euro?

[exclusiv]

Krakow's stadium was announced like a ''reserve'' stadium. It will maybe become an official championship stadium if one of the official cities has problems building their own stadium.

[Bandera]

What other city is a reserve city except Krakow in Poland?

[sampras]

Chorzów

[Bandera]

^^ Thanks for the info.

[krzysiu_]

Stadion Zaglebia Lubin (15 k) U/C

http://images13.fotosik.pl/59/08e166aad7d650bd.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2ztdi5j.jpg

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

Krakow is looking better than i expected, also i like Lubin's stadium.

On, and by the way do they have a final project for Poznan?:)

Thanks for all the info guys!

[krzysiu_]

Yes, here you go:

http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19693&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19694&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696
http://www.poznan.pl/mim/public/galerie/new_pictures.html?co=show2&parent=14245&instance=1080&id=19695&lang=pl&allId=19693,19694,19695,19696

Now stand II is U/C (finishing), in June/July they'll start demolish old stand I and III and, January 2009 - Counstruction of stand I and III will begin.

[El Vampiro Ucraniano]

^^ Nice, thanks, too bad it will not have the retractable roof

[Carrerra]

Stadion Zaglebia Lubin (15 k) U/C



Is 15K too small for a club like Zaglebia Lubin? As far as I know the club is one of the most successul clubs or one of the most likely clubs to compete in Champions Leaue in Polland. The new 15K Stadium will be however unable to meet UEFA requirement on capactiy. That means they will have to play CL in other venue as they do now even since its completion. I don't understand why they didn't consider at least 20K in the planning stage. Couldn't they afford to add only 5,000 seats to the original plan?

[krzysiu_]

Well, yes but Lubin (not Lublin) is a very small city, there lives 76k people...And it's not Polland but Poland...And why you think they should add 5k seats more, for who? Ofc they could build 80k stadium coz KGHM (main sponsor) is a very big company so it's not a problem but, I am asking once again, for who?

[Carrerra]

Well, yes but Lubin (not Lublin) is a very small city, there lives 76k people...And it's not Polland but Poland...And why you think they should add 5k seats more, for who? Ofc they could build 80k stadium coz KGHM (main sponsor) is a very big company so it's not a problem but, I am asking once again, for who?

For themselves. I think the investment for 5K(10 million euros or so?) would pay off much more than it cost because the prize money of CL is so huge and will get bigger and bigger year after year.

Yes, I also know that playing CL in their own home doesn't gurantee the victory but it can strongly support them to win the CL game out of sight. If that home advantage prevails in CL just a few times they will get paid for the investment.

PS) Sorry for the typing error.

[krzysiu_]

You don't understand. First of all, I doubt that Zaglebie Lubin might qualify for CL. Second of all, even if they will, don't you think they would play on National Stadium with 55k crowd, then some 15-20k...

[AUTO]

Two days ago Warsaw officially decided to build a new Legia Warszawa stadium (32k). It will cost about 107 mln €. Construction will start in second half of 2008 and will go on by 26 months (stadium will be ready in 2010).
:cheers:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6924/projekt4xv8.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt03.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt04.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt06.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt07.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt08.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt09.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt10.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt2.jpg

http://stadionlegii.pl/images/articles/projekt/projekt1.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt11.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt12.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/adecapitated/projekt1.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/4036/z4036637X.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt13.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt15.jpg

http://www.legia.com.pl/pl/inc/stadion/stadion_projekt17.jpg

[wearethefuture]

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/7/4036/z4036637X.jpg

I think the glowing guy in the middle is checking his hair.

Nice stadium by the way.

[krzysiu_]

Two days ago Warsaw officially decided to build a new Legia Warszawa stadium (32k). It will cost about 107 mln €. Construction will start in second half of 2008 and will go on by 26 months (stadium will be ready in 2010).
:cheers:Actually, construction suposse to start like...atleast year ago...But now we finnaly know for 100% that construction start in July/August 2008!

[DurczokFAN]

I think the glowing guy in the middle is checking his hair
:lol:

She is president of Warsaw :) .

[AUTO]

:lol:

She is president of Warsaw :) .

He wrote about this guy in the middle who is wathing his hand. I think he had to make a speach and he had something written on his hend :lol:

[Samacado]

propably he is looking at the bill, telling him, what the new stadium will cost :-D

and the lady - ever heard of "DON`T TOUCH THIS". She seems to break the roof

[sampras]

Now stand II is U/C (finishing), in June/July they'll start demolish old stand I and III and, January 2009 - Counstruction of stand I and III will begin.

and the progress can be seen here (http://budowa.maroonpoint.com/)

[Finne]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9890/spodekhi3.jpg

Spodek (saucer in Polish) is a multipurpose arena complex in Katowice, Poland, opened in 1971 at 35 Korfantego street, in the center of Katowice.
Spodek can hold 11,500 people.
Its name means "saucer" in Polish, because it resembles a tilted flying saucer. Spodek is a major contribution to the cultural significance of Katowice in Poland, especially for the younger generations.


It has played host to many up-and-coming bands, such as a performance by Chumbawumba in 1997 as well as dozens of world famous bands including Depeche Mode, Elton John, Genesis, Green Day, Iron Maiden, Jean-Michel Jarre, Metallica, Pearl Jam, Rammstein and many others.

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Maciej Gintowt and Maciej Krasiński, architects of Spodek, designed the Spodek as one of the first major structures to employ the principle of tensegrity. The roof uses an inclined surface held in check by a system of cables holding up its circumference.

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Pearl Jam recorded their 6/16/00 - Katowice, Poland album at Spodek

The arena will The final rounds of the EuroBasket 2009

[michał_]

You don't understand. First of all, I doubt that Zaglebie Lubin might qualify for CL. Second of all, even if they will, don't you think they would play on National Stadium with 55k crowd, then some 15-20k...

And why would they go to Warsaw if at the same time a 44000 stadium will be in the "nearby" Wroclaw?
Still, Carrerra, what you may not know- Polish clubs haven't qualified to the CL for over a decade and we seem to be making the distance even bigger every year. This year our team will have a very tough road to the CL and it seems Wisla Krakow is far too weak to go through. Unless it would be like Artmedia Petrzalka's or Fc Thun- against all odds. So nobody plans profits from the CL in their budgets as that's virtually unreachable money.

[Finne]

Zabrze (in german: Hindenburg) in Upper Silesia.

New Stadium for FC "Górnik Zabrze" ("Coal Miner Zabrze")
Capacity: 31,918
Name: Allianz Górnik Arena


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http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x202/silesia_invest/2-5.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x202/silesia_invest/5-2.jpg

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http://gornikzabrze.pl/obrazki/cms/8016.obrazki.jpg

[michał_]

The stadium above is still only 1 of 3 options. The club wants it most, the fans seem to like it as well, but it's the most expensive, the choice hasn't been made yet.

[Mo Rush]

thats done in sketchup. looks like one of my designs.

[michał_]

thats done in sketchup. looks like one of my designs.

Well, true. But I've always said you're a great designer :)

This text, although in Polish only, shows images of 2 other concepts:
http://www.wiadomosci24.pl/artykul/jak_bedzie_wygladal_nowy_stadion_gornika_zabrze_63980.html
Below it you may find a clip of the presentation of these visions.

[Mo Rush]

Well, true. But I've always said you're a great designer :)

This text, although in Polish only, shows images of 2 other concepts:
http://www.wiadomosci24.pl/artykul/jak_bedzie_wygladal_nowy_stadion_gornika_zabrze_63980.html
Below it you may find a clip of the presentation of these visions.

wannabe design u mean.

[Mo Rush]

Stadion Zaglebia Lubin (15 k) U/C

http://images13.fotosik.pl/59/08e166aad7d650bd.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2ztdi5j.jpg

saw this design a while back.
you cant see it in this image but it has this cool structure/pod for VIP's/media on the one side at the top of the tier.

[sibyl-vane]

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/index.php?folder=sites&site=news_detail&news_id=2118

interesting interview about the Danzig/Gdansk Euro 2012 stadium (in german)

[masterpaul]

Would be cool, if someone could sumerize it in english, for us who dont know german.

[Mo Rush]

Would be cool, if someone could sumerize it in english, for us who dont know german.

google translator.

[matthemod]

google translator.

I've not been around here for too long, but still been here long enough to realise you're a might stuck up aren't you...

[Mo Rush]

I've not been around here for too long, but still been here long enough to realise you're a might stuck up aren't you...

he wanted a translation and i showed him a route.

google translator translates entire websites from one language to another.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stadionwelt.de%2Fneu%2Fsw_stadien%2Findex.php%3Ffolder%3Dsites%26site%3Dnews_detail%26news_id%3D2118&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[AUTO]

Short movie about new Legia Warsaw stadium

http://www.tvn24.pl/-1,1548963,wiadomosc.html

[www.sercan.de]

Michal
What about Stadion Dziesięciolecia?
I think this was the biggest in Poland??!
Do you know the highest attendance :D

[sampras]

The highest attendance in Poland was in Poznan on Watra stadium (60 000 capacity) there was round 80k - it was in '60 or '70 , now the stadium is one big ruin and surrounded by marketplace.

[mihai_alex]

Didn't Poland have a 100 k capacity national stadium?