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Really great thread , I think i will study in Buenos Aires next year , maybe UCA will be the choice .

Nice pics dude, god job!

BA is very beautiful, one of the most beautiful cities in L.A.

Imprressed by the architectural quality of the new buildings, they fit well in the urban lanscape.

Great pics Teykito...

Buenos Aires, is arguably, the most European-looking and the most imposingly beautiful city in Latin America although Santiago could be a serious competitor. :yes:

The way I see it, Buenos Aires has little to no favellas unlike Mexico City, Sao Paulo, and Rio de Janeiro. And, what's more impressive is that it's surrounding metropolitan area forms the largest built-up sprawl of any Latin American city out there.

Excellent Thread!!! Buenos Aires - Argentina it's one of my favorite cities in america i love it!!!! it is a really modern city :cheers:

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Buenos Aires, is arguably, the most European-looking and the most imposingly beautiful city in Latin America although Santiago could be a serious competitor. :yes:

The way I see it, Buenos Aires has little to no favellas unlike Mexico City, Sao Paulo, and Rio de Janeiro. And, what's more impressive is that it's surrounding metropolitan area forms the largest built-up sprawl of any Latin American city out there.

:bash: Mexico City does not have favelas fool. :bash:

Poor neighborhods yes, favelas no.

Mexico City is the wealthist city in Latin America by far.

They say people in this city speak in Spanish, think in English, and want to live in Paris. ;)

I love Buenos Aires! :okay: One of my favorite cities! :yes:

Buenos Aires, is arguably, the most European-looking and the most imposingly beautiful city in Latin America although Santiago could be a serious competitor. :yes:

The way I see it, Buenos Aires has little to no favellas unlike Mexico City, Sao Paulo, and Rio de Janeiro. And, what's more impressive is that it's surrounding metropolitan area forms the largest built-up sprawl of any Latin American city out there.

You can find slums in any of the world's major cities including so-called 1st world cities like N.Y, London etc... Just because you don't see any in these pics doesn't mean they don't exist. Most posters want to focus on the best aspects of their respective cities not the worst so of course that's the sort of pics they're goint to post in these forums, pics that portray their city in the best possible light.

They say people in this city speak in Spanish, think in English, and want to live in Paris. ;)

Actually the famous quote is something like this:

Argentinians are Italians that speak Spanish with a Genevose and Neapolitanean accent.
They say French speeches and think as English.
They have left-wing views and they live like bourgeois.
They admire the Swiss order and they practice the Iraki disorder
THEY ARE A MISTERY


Ortega and Gassett, Spanish philosopher.

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Do you recognize this white building?

wZk-LJ_KCMg

I'm not completely sure it is... The thing is that I'm IN LOVE of this city, this the sexiest, glamorous, romantic city in the entire american continent!!! I don't know mexico DF, but for me the only latin american city wealthier than baires is Santiago de Chile (It's pretty modern, but it feels totally american, when you visit baires it's like being in europe: a city like paris, filled with italians, galicians and jews :lol: )

If the country wouldn't be so unstable, I'd definitily moved there a while ago :banana:

btw... Puerto Madero is growing SO fast :eek2: I visited the city in 2005, then there was only one of the twin towers built (el faro, that's the name, i guess...) and the other one was just built by half of its size... take a look at those pics now :eek2:

greetings from venezuela!! :cheers:

:bash: Mexico City does not have favelas fool. :bash:

Poor neighborhods yes, favelas no.

Mexico City is the wealthist city in Latin America by far.

What the shit! You don't have to be rude! :bash:

Sorry then...I'll call it slums instead of favelas--happy?!

Anyway, Mexico City is, indeed, the richest Latin American city but Buenos Aires seems to have less of these slums than Mexico City. That's obviously because Mexico City has some 22 million people whie Buenos Aires has only about 12 million.

Do you recognize this white building?

wZk-LJ_KCMg

I'm not completely sure it is... The thing is that I'm IN LOVE of this city, this the sexiest, glamorous, romantic city in the entire american continent!!! I don't know mexico DF, but for me the only latin american city wealthier than baires is Santiago de Chile (It's pretty modern, but it feels totally american, when you visit baires it's like being in europe: a city like paris, filled with italians, galicians and jews :lol: )


OH THE TANGO.

What a wonderful creation:

Tango was born in Buenos Aires toward the end of the XIX century. It must be said that turn-of-the-century Buenos Aires was an expanding city with an enormous demographic growth rate, sustained above all by emigration originating in several European countries. French, Spaniards, Italians, British, Swiss, Germans, Hungarians, Polish, Slavs, Russians and Jews were part of this migratory current towards Argentina. Those who lived there, European immigrants and some disadvantaged porteños (born in Buenos Aires) made up a new social class. Perhaps as a way of identifying themselves as a group and of feeling they belonged in their new home, they began to create cultural expressions derived from this mixture. This was the start of tango, characterized by its extremely closed codes, which were only accessible to the working classes. The society into which tango was born listened and danced to polkas, mazurkas, havaneras, and waltz.

Somebody said: -Tango is something else than a soft wave turned into music, it is the deepest dance in the world -, and he who spoke these words was not Argentine. The truth is that it must be acknowledged that it represents the last step in the universal dance evolution as regards dances of mixed couples. What started with dance was eventually coming of age in the expert hands of great men, who, inspired in the popular melting pot, captured the richest part of the Buenos Aires culture in their compositions. Themes always refer to the ordinary man and his problems, the city and memories. Thus, tango becomes a portrayal of Buenos Aires and its people. For this reason, undoubtedly, since the best of the Buenos Aires culture is carried in each song, tango gained ground abroad. Some tango musicians and singersare Carlos Gardel, Pdro Chemes Quartet, Anibal Troilo, Astor Piazzolla, Juan D'Arienzo, Osvaldo Pugliese and Carlos Di Sarli.

Today, if you’re looking for tango you have to visit the colorful La Boca neighborhood (the place where the tango was born) with people dancing in the streets, offering great shows. And bars and restaurants with tango shows.

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As for the GDP in Buenos Aires I think it's is still the highest in L. America along with Santiago (it has being developing in the last decades). Mexico has a big GDP but that's because its population is bigger, tho has a lower GDP per capita. Mexico DF has also a larger GDP that other cities like Rome and its GDP is similar to the one of Paris or London, but these cities have also smaller populations, tho the wealthiness is different.

My dream city...

I have no adjective to qualify it!
Thanks for sharing the photos teykito!

awesome

:bash: Mexico City does not have favelas fool. :bash:

Poor neighborhods yes, favelas no.

Mexico City is the wealthist city in Latin America by far.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :nuts:

ALL latin american countries are full of slums everywhere (few exceptions though), sometimes they're far away from the wealthy areas and sometimes they're mixed.

And, being the wealthiest city doesn't mean anything, its full of slums just like all our cities, latin american countries are lands of contrast.

Few forumers post pictures of poor areas of their cities because:
1- dont want to show them
or
2- can get their cam stolen :D

and back to the topic:
Buenos Aires is an amazing stylish big city and very vibrant!

That's just not true, I can speak about all the American countries, that's for sure.

But I know quite a few S. american cities to prove you that they don't have slums. I visit Bariloche, Ushuaia and Buenos Aires in Argentina, and Montevideo and Punta del Este in Uruguay (next to Argentina) and i didn't see slums. I live there for 10 months (i studied at college in BA for a semester) and i visit these other cities for at least two weeks each and some several times.

I don't know what you call slums but the worst i've seen was the poor neighborhood of Pompeya in Buenos Aires, which was full of immigrants anyway, and it wasn't worst that the poor neighborhoods i've seen in London with commie blocks, and dirty streets.

As for the rest of the cities I mention, the poorer neighborhood look better that some slums of cities in the United States.

Nice pics. Great arhitecture.

edt

Look, Latin America is POOR, just because there's some nice cities in there doesn't mean latin americans are close to a western european life standard.
Ushuaia and Bariloche are little towns
Punta del Este is a very wealthy city and the majority of uruguayans can't afford it!



Montevideo is where most poor people lives in Uruguay and there are no slums there!!!

Buenos Aires has just a couple of poor neighboors and I can tell you from personal experiences that there are worst slums in Chicago!! at least they look similar, and I have seen Lugano and Pompeya the poorer neighborhoods there.

Bariloche is not a town is a city with 200,000!! It's the largest in South Argentina!

AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THE ENTIRE AMERICAN CONTINENT THERE ARE LOT OF COUNTRIES IN AMERICA WITH DIFFERENT REALITIES. Argentinian gdp ppp per capita for next year is 17,000, it has a high development index (34th in the world).

Its development index and gdp (ppp)is similar to many European countries of middle income Estonia, a little higher than the one of Polonia, Lithuania and Latvia, and just a little bit lower than the one from Portugal and Hungaria (19,000). Besides it has today one of the highest growth (8,5%).

Argentina has a gdp (ppp) and human development index similar to the average of the entire

SO.. how can you compare it with other American countries like let's say Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador,or Nicaragua with pbi per capita of around 2000-4000 and medium or even low development index, their economy (pbi and development index) are similar to the one from Syria or Pakistan.

why do you think Argentina receive so many illegal immigrants from these countries?

The point is you can talk about all the countries in America, America is too diverse for that.

as you can see, you can compare the United States, Argentina, Brazil, Panama, Honduras, Euadorr, Haiti and Canada. This is nosense!!






Look, Latin America is POOR, just because there's some nice cities in there doesn't mean latin americans are close to a western european life standard.

Buenos Aires has got its tough and miserable neighborhoods, far worst than the commies you say in the UK
Ushuaia and Bariloche are little towns
Punta del Este is a very wealthy city and the majority of uruguayans can't afford it!

Look, Latin America is POOR, just because there's some nice cities in there doesn't mean latin americans are close to a western european life standard.

Buenos Aires has got its tough and miserable neighborhoods, far worst than the commies you say in the UK
Ushuaia and Bariloche are little towns
Punta del Este is a very wealthy city and the majority of uruguayans can't afford it!

edt

Very diverse, but even the richest nations are still poor in here.

There's extreme poverty everywhere, no south american countries (except Uruguay maybe?) have solved this issue.

Bariloche is a very touristic area, i doubt tourists ever visit poor areas.

Argentinian gdp ppp per capita for next year is 17,000? the GDP thing is an issue that has been widely discussed in SSC and it can be very tricky, you should know GDP doesn't accurately reflect the country's standard of living, since in most latin american countries, the GDP is taken by the richest only.

Exactly, that is the number.

"GDP is only taken for rich people"

what??how is that?? lol.


Argentina benefits from rich natural resources, a highly literate population, an export-oriented agricultural sector, and a diversified industrial base. Historically, however, its economic performance has been very uneven. At the beginning of the twentieth century it was one of the richest countries in the world, but it is now an upper-middle income country. Despite this, Argentina remains the most economically developed country in Latin America (measured in GDP per capita and HDI).





There's extreme poverty everywhere, no south american countries (except Uruguay maybe?) have solved this issue.

Bariloche is a very touristic area, i doubt tourists ever visit poor areas.

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Poverty which is about 20% in Argentina (is never extreme, maybe in the caribbean and Africa you can find extreme poverty) but really man, in Argentina i've see how even illegal immigrants (btw like most of the poeople in thir poor neighborhoods) get free health care (an a quite descent one), free education and even money help if they didn't find a job!! (plan jefes o algo asi).



Bariloche is a very touristic area, i doubt tourists ever visit poor areas.
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Actually, i visitedhe tourist area just one because my friend from college live there and she lived far from the tourist area, she was just a middle class girl (like most people in that country) and live in beautiful neighborhood imo.




I wonder how can you even compare Argentina with any western european country's standard of life, the ammount of poverty, corruption, and everything is WAY higher, its just nonsense.

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Is this a joke? right? Argentina as the entire America and Europe are the Western world!!!

The historic West originated in the Mediterranean (ancient Greece and ancient Rome), but it came to include Central and Western Europe, although some would include the whole of Europe (except in terms of Church, i.e., Eastern Christianity), as well as perhaps all of Russia (except during the U.S.S.R. era). Linguistically the frontier would run as far as India. Since Columbus the notion of the West has expanded to include North America and South America, Australia and New Zealand. Yet during the Cold War the core of the West was often confined to N.A.T.O. countries.[1] Today, in a political or economic context, perhaps the West would also include, e.g., Japan, or Israel. In a world religious context, some would include those faiths acknowledging Abraham. Generally speaking, the current consensus would locate the West in, at the least, the cultures and peoples of Europe, the two Americas, and Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world



A question: did you visit the WHOLE Buenos Aires metro area? Did you even ask where the poorest people of BA live?



Let's see yes, i think i visited all the neighborhoods (they are 24 in Buenos Aires) and i sppend at least one day in each. I visit north and south metropolitan areas (lomas de zamora, lanus, but also san isidro and others that i don't remeber the name). But both poor and rich. Most of the times I took a different bus just for fun and let the bus took me anywhere and then i took a taxi. It was fun. (good trip for travelers).

incredible photos

regardless....Buenos Aires is a grand city, Love this place , great food, Great music, world class theater, beautiful art , and great looking people( full of drama).

edt

^^
:bash:

Whops he was banned, have fun living in La-La-Land

Everybody in Argentina is riiiich and there's no poverty because they're like western Europe!

where are you from?

edt

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Chile

Era obvio, solamente quería corroborarlo

Everybody in Argentina is riiiich and there's no poverty because they're like western Europe!

Evita comentarios como este porque molestan

edt

Lovely...










But it's so far away! :cry:

Nothing personal against Argentina, i just hate it when other people thinks everything in a country is like the picts shown in SSC.

It's like if i said all Santiago is Las Condes!

Everyone knows Buenos Aires has favelas....it's impossible not to see them coming from the aiport, on the side of the road.

Everyone knows Buenos Aires has favelas....it's impossible not to see them coming from the aiport, on the side of the road.

oh man! Snowb, you had to be Chilean (what's the problem that Chileans have with Argentinians? Because they don't even have reasons for hate them. And I can say that i've seen that in many Chileans.

As, for your ironic comments, i didn't see the other user say that Argentina was now like Western Europe, but it has the same economic situation of many other European countries that are NOT considered "extremely poor" like you say at all!!

Anyway, I can say buenos aires has not favelas. Have you ever been in Brasil's cities? .... I though so... you don't even know what a favela is.

It has poor neighborhood.

And it has some very small shanty towns but they are not in Buenos Aires, they are in the suburbs, outside of Buenos Aires city.

And that's only in the poorest part of the suburbs (in the Southern suburbs near the airport). Besides, these couple of shanty towns have a non Argentinian population. Like 80% of their population are immigrants, which count for over 10% of the population in Buenos Aires metropolitan area.

the favelas you're talking about are in Brasil's cities and their big, and all their populatioon is brasilian. You're talking about two different things here.

Buenos Aires city, on the other hand has few bad neighborhoods, and they are just that, poor neighborhoods, even the ones with immigrants, are just poor neighborhood. Like 90% of Buenos Aires city is beautiful, and you can find beautiful places and architecture far from the touristic area. Even in the bad areas you can find the different cultures like in the bolivian and the korean town in the southern parts and it's quite fun, it's kind of dangerous area, but many people go there to their shops in the weekend. In fact i I'm not banned fo this first and last post probably anyways (i wonder why the other user was banned and not you, it's ridiculous, I'll post some pics when i visit, i don't live far from there. Anyways. what city doesn't have bad neighborhoods? As i said before the suburbs have some shanty towns (obviously most of them are nice anyways), but they are small, and its a quite recent situation, there weren't shanty towns 50-40 years ago, they came when the country's lost its position and fall.


As for what you have said about Western europe, well as i said before, don't worry, who compare it with the richest countries in Europe?? For god's sake!! you're assuming things anyone said. Read carefully the next time. It's far from that as it's far from Nigeria, Ivory coast, Haiti and other countries really EXTREMELY poor as you say.

But.. who knows what will happen in 50 years..... after all just 80-90 years ago, some of those countries you called the rich Western Europe, were sending millions of immigrants to Argentina (Italy, Spain, Ireland...) because they were very poor (as you said)...

BUENOS is so greeat!!!! i love to see more pictures from there.......... please give it more!!

Anyway, I can say buenos aires has not favelas. Have you ever been in Brasil's cities? .... I though so... you don't even know what a favela is.

It has poor neighborhood.

And it has some very small shanty towns but they are not in Buenos Aires, they are in the suburbs, outside of Buenos Aires city.


Argentinian "Villas" are a bit more than just poor neighborhoods, and some of them are even worse that favelas in terms of infrastructure. The only difference is size, but everything in Brazil is biger.

In fact, the most famous villa in argentina, is called "villa 31", it´very old, quite big and rigth downtown.


Argentina has a very large poor population, there is no going around it no matter how preety the one big city we have is.

And im argentinian by the way.

^^
that's the truth.

Aren't Telerman and Macri finishing with that place "villa 31" in 18 months?? That's the prject at least.

And that place is just full of immigrants 50% of their population AT LEAST are immigrants or sons of them from poor American coutries. So wouldn't it be nice if the we start controlling the borders instead of spend millions for these people??

Specially having in mind that 1 out of 3 people in Argentinian jails are immigrants from those countries (40% of the females and 25% of the men).

And when people talk just about desport the illegals that commit crimes there are a lot of controversy about it!! it's crazy!!!!

IMO countries countries with similar economies like Poland, Uruguay, Latvia or Hungary don't have thesen problems because they don't have very poor immigrants arriving from neighboor countries for millions like Argentina has.
They have many people who emigrate and no people arriving.

And i don't even want to remember the conditions of the immigrants coming (which exaplains their crimes) and the fact that their children are considered Argentintians and they are not considered by any category, (like mexican americans are). this mean that the crime rate is obviously not having in mind these people and this is going to be worst in some years when these people (with 5 or 6 children each) had adult "Argentinians" children with more family.

As for poor people here. Again there is nothing like extreme poverty in the sense of people from very poor counttries use the term, starving people and all that. Any stupid even illegal immigrants have a free salary from the govermment if they don't have job, besides of quite descent free health care and education. And free tickets for food in the supermarkets if they don't have job. Anyway the poor people is according to the govermment 25% (which is huge considering that Argentina had a pooverty similar to many developed countries just 15 years ago (7%), but is going down every year after the crisis, and economy is growing 9% per year.

But the rest (75% of the population) is middle class and rich (about 10%)

I'm not saying that all the problems are the immigrants, i'm saying that imo that's one of cause why the poverty is not going down as fast as we want considering the growth of the economy, we have ANY immigrantion control. And i'm pretty sure that the immigrants in other countries don't like 5 or 6 children like ours, it's in the bolivian and paraguayan culture they have man ykids. We? barely 1 or 2. This is gonna be such a problem in the future. But of course you can't complain in the future.... And this people consider living here and being poor better that live in their home countries and live like middle class!!

And if you even dare for asking for more requisites for legal immigration like education and work like in every other country in the world!! (even those who can absorb better than us the immigrants beacause of their economies).

Does it matter when Kirchner say that this moth there are 4000 are not poor anymore in the country when we know that 5000 illegal and very poor immigrants cross the border this month??? (and their bith rate will be higher)

Why in the US people make such a fuss for the famous "immigration bill" and we leglized over a million in a a country of 37 millio las year???

why when they are (still...) the richest country in the world and they think about it before make so many people legal?

Then you're the worst racist in the world, of course ask the opinion of people living near neighborhoods full of immigrants:


anyway, going back to the subject, yes poverty is large (25%) but that poors not even the illegal are starving or anything like that, not even the illegal immigrants!.

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking the same:

Hola, "Personal del gobierno porteño trabajaba para reubicar a las familias" Visto y considerando el proceder de estas personas la reubicación más lógica sería devolverlos a su país de origen. Saludos.

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^^ Well we are very generous people, what can we do??? :P

Beautiful city!

:eek2: BA

^^ Well we are very generous people, what can we do??? :P

Well, i think this kind of imigrations without control, without rules, only bring poor and a risk for the economy.

I don't think our country needs large immigration now. First what we are doing it's bad for the immigrants and for us, we have:

-It's emigration of people who who return to the land of their grandparents. People that has studies, education and at least a small capital for paying their cost (simply because they need all that, for have a legal status, not like here where all what immigrants only need cross the borders illegally and reach Buenos Aires and spend half an hour in an office to reach the legal status).

-On the other hand, we have millions of immigrants, thousands crossing the borders every day, just walking without any control at all!!. And they get a legal status without the education, small capital and all what other countries /(even richer that our) ask. People that just create slums because they come here without a penny!!, and our govermment don't even has this problem in their agenda!.

-Countries ask for immigrants because they need proffesionals from many areas, they give their legal immigrants points for having an especific career, and points if they are young, if they have work experince in their area. If they reach x points, they can live in that country legally, if they don't, then not.
We on the other hand... Do we have a an immigration program at all?? No! BUT we have people in the TV news or in the newspaper saying that they can find proffesionals for a certain area, and yes we have millions of immigrants but these people don't have any education at all!.


We are creating poor we are NOT being generous AT ALL. Our people need to leave the country, while there even more immigrants that the people leaving Does it make any sense at all!! Our country really is one of a kind but for the bad. It's the only in the world that reach a developed status and lost it in the last three centuries. And with this immigration (politicities?) we are having a huge problem and the worst is that anyone can protest in public because of the fast "racist" or "intolerant" label (which is imo plain stupid).

If we had a better immigration control, that would be generous, because the peole that we would receive will be peruviand or bolivians that can afford rent a house because they woiuld find a job here, because they would be the profesionals that our market ask for, we would have a better control and then any crime gang (like the ones that enter crossing the borders) wouldn't do it as easily, they would be a smaller number so we wouldn't have a overpopulated city of people without money because they can't find a good job... and our govermment wouldn't spend so many money for these people "planes de jefes" (salaries for unemployed people) and it definetely could pay more for those cientific Argentinians who left the country because the govermment don't support their projects, and of course we would have less collapsed free health systems with people that don't pay taxes and the same with education, and the same with insecurity (don't forget that one out of three of the Argentinian prisioners are immigrants -we are not even counting thei children there-).

We are not being generous, not with our people and not even eith the ones arriving because let them in without control, in the 21st economic period is denying them the chance to have a better future even when they can live better than in their coutnry,what is the price?. We are denying our national poors the right to have what the govermment can have to these people because the health care and the education system is collapsed

The same paper that yesterday said that the 25% of the people is poor, also say that over 10% of the population is immigrant we are not counting their children there. And today with our immigration control, are condeming all the immigrants to poverty. So how can this country become developed again if these people keep arriving and their 5 or 6 "Argentinian" children (because they have a very high fertility rate) will be poor as well.


Well I could go on... but I'm sleepy it's 6:42 AM here. Tomorrow (or today whatever) is Sunday of course. LOL.

bye.

Argentina is the country with a very high culturized population, but one of the worst political classes in the world :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: ^^

BUENOS AIRES IS THE MOST BEATIFUL AND FRIENDLY CITY
I AGREE ABSOLUTELY WITH aroundthesevenstates

Actually the famous quote is something like this:

Argentinians are Italians that speak Spanish with a Genevose and Neapolitanean accent.
They say French speeches and think as English.
They have left-wing views and they live like bourgeois.
They admire the Swiss order and they practice the Iraki disorder
THEY ARE A MISTERY


Ortega and Gassett, Spanish philosopher.



OH THE TANGO.

What a wonderful creation:

Tango was born in Buenos Aires toward the end of the XIX century. It must be said that turn-of-the-century Buenos Aires was an expanding city with an enormous demographic growth rate, sustained above all by emigration originating in several European countries. French, Spaniards, Italians, British, Swiss, Germans, Hungarians, Polish, Slavs, Russians and Jews were part of this migratory current towards Argentina. Those who lived there, European immigrants and some disadvantaged porteños (born in Buenos Aires) made up a new social class. Perhaps as a way of identifying themselves as a group and of feeling they belonged in their new home, they began to create cultural expressions derived from this mixture. This was the start of tango, characterized by its extremely closed codes, which were only accessible to the working classes. The society into which tango was born listened and danced to polkas, mazurkas, havaneras, and waltz.

Somebody said: -Tango is something else than a soft wave turned into music, it is the deepest dance in the world -, and he who spoke these words was not Argentine. The truth is that it must be acknowledged that it represents the last step in the universal dance evolution as regards dances of mixed couples. What started with dance was eventually coming of age in the expert hands of great men, who, inspired in the popular melting pot, captured the richest part of the Buenos Aires culture in their compositions. Themes always refer to the ordinary man and his problems, the city and memories. Thus, tango becomes a portrayal of Buenos Aires and its people. For this reason, undoubtedly, since the best of the Buenos Aires culture is carried in each song, tango gained ground abroad. Some tango musicians and singersare Carlos Gardel, Pdro Chemes Quartet, Anibal Troilo, Astor Piazzolla, Juan D'Arienzo, Osvaldo Pugliese and Carlos Di Sarli.

Today, if you’re looking for tango you have to visit the colorful La Boca neighborhood (the place where the tango was born) with people dancing in the streets, offering great shows. And bars and restaurants with tango shows.

http://cometoargentina.tripod.com/


As for the GDP in Buenos Aires I think it's is still the highest in L. America along with Santiago (it has being developing in the last decades). Mexico has a big GDP but that's because its population is bigger, tho has a lower GDP per capita. Mexico DF has also a larger GDP that other cities like Rome and its GDP is similar to the one of Paris or London, but these cities have also smaller populations, tho the wealthiness is different.



That's just not true, I can speak about all the American countries, that's for sure.

But I know quite a few S. american cities to prove you that they don't have slums. I visit Bariloche, Ushuaia and Buenos Aires in Argentina, and Montevideo and Punta del Este in Uruguay (next to Argentina) and i didn't see slums. I live there for 10 months (i studied at college in BA for a semester) and i visit these other cities for at least two weeks each and some several times.

I don't know what you call slums but the worst i've seen was the poor neighborhood of Pompeya in Buenos Aires, which was full of immigrants anyway, and it wasn't worst that the poor neighborhoods i've seen in London with commie blocks, and dirty streets.

As for the rest of the cities I mention, the poorer neighborhood look better that some slums of cities in the United States.



Montevideo is where most poor people lives in Uruguay and there are no slums there!!!

Buenos Aires has just a couple of poor neighboors and I can tell you from personal experiences that there are worst slums in Chicago!! at least they look similar, and I have seen Lugano and Pompeya the poorer neighborhoods there.

Bariloche is not a town is a city with 200,000!! It's the largest in South Argentina!

AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THE ENTIRE AMERICAN CONTINENT THERE ARE LOT OF COUNTRIES IN AMERICA WITH DIFFERENT REALITIES. Argentinian gdp ppp per capita for next year is 17,000, it has a high development index (34th in the world).

Its development index and gdp (ppp)is similar to many European countries of middle income Estonia, a little higher than the one of Polonia, Lithuania and Latvia, and just a little bit lower than the one from Portugal and Hungaria (19,000). Besides it has today one of the highest growth (8,5%).

Argentina has a gdp (ppp) and human development index similar to the average of the entire

SO.. how can you compare it with other American countries like let's say Bolivia, Paraguay, Ecuador,or Nicaragua with pbi per capita of around 2000-4000 and medium or even low development index, their economy (pbi and development index) are similar to the one from Syria or Pakistan.

why do you think Argentina receive so many illegal immigrants from these countries?

The point is you can talk about all the countries in America, America is too diverse for that.

as you can see, you can compare the United States, Argentina, Brazil, Panama, Honduras, Euadorr, Haiti and Canada. This is nosense!!



Exactly, that is the number.

"GDP is only taken for rich people"

what??how is that?? lol.


Argentina benefits from rich natural resources, a highly literate population, an export-oriented agricultural sector, and a diversified industrial base. Historically, however, its economic performance has been very uneven. At the beginning of the twentieth century it was one of the richest countries in the world, but it is now an upper-middle income country. Despite this, Argentina remains the most economically developed country in Latin America (measured in GDP per capita and HDI).







Poverty which is about 20% in Argentina (is never extreme, maybe in the caribbean and Africa you can find extreme poverty) but really man, in Argentina i've see how even illegal immigrants (btw like most of the poeople in thir poor neighborhoods) get free health care (an a quite descent one), free education and even money help if they didn't find a job!! (plan jefes o algo asi).




Actually, i visitedhe tourist area just one because my friend from college live there and she lived far from the tourist area, she was just a middle class girl (like most people in that country) and live in beautiful neighborhood imo.






Is this a joke? right? Argentina as the entire America and Europe are the Western world!!!

The historic West originated in the Mediterranean (ancient Greece and ancient Rome), but it came to include Central and Western Europe, although some would include the whole of Europe (except in terms of Church, i.e., Eastern Christianity), as well as perhaps all of Russia (except during the U.S.S.R. era). Linguistically the frontier would run as far as India. Since Columbus the notion of the West has expanded to include North America and South America, Australia and New Zealand. Yet during the Cold War the core of the West was often confined to N.A.T.O. countries.[1] Today, in a political or economic context, perhaps the West would also include, e.g., Japan, or Israel. In a world religious context, some would include those faiths acknowledging Abraham. Generally speaking, the current consensus would locate the West in, at the least, the cultures and peoples of Europe, the two Americas, and Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world





Let's see yes, i think i visited all the neighborhoods (they are 24 in Buenos Aires) and i sppend at least one day in each. I visit north and south metropolitan areas (lomas de zamora, lanus, but also san isidro and others that i don't remeber the name). But both poor and rich. Most of the times I took a different bus just for fun and let the bus took me anywhere and then i took a taxi. It was fun. (good trip for travelers).



oh man! Snowb, you had to be Chilean (what's the problem that Chileans have with Argentinians? Because they don't even have reasons for hate them. And I can say that i've seen that in many Chileans.

As, for your ironic comments, i didn't see the other user say that Argentina was now like Western Europe, but it has the same economic situation of many other European countries that are NOT considered "extremely poor" like you say at all!!

Anyway, I can say buenos aires has not favelas. Have you ever been in Brasil's cities? .... I though so... you don't even know what a favela is.

It has poor neighborhood.

And it has some very small shanty towns but they are not in Buenos Aires, they are in the suburbs, outside of Buenos Aires city.

And that's only in the poorest part of the suburbs (in the Southern suburbs near the airport). Besides, these couple of shanty towns have a non Argentinian population. Like 80% of their population are immigrants, which count for over 10% of the population in Buenos Aires metropolitan area.

the favelas you're talking about are in Brasil's cities and their big, and all their populatioon is brasilian. You're talking about two different things here.

Buenos Aires city, on the other hand has few bad neighborhoods, and they are just that, poor neighborhoods, even the ones with immigrants, are just poor neighborhood. Like 90% of Buenos Aires city is beautiful, and you can find beautiful places and architecture far from the touristic area. Even in the bad areas you can find the different cultures like in the bolivian and the korean town in the southern parts and it's quite fun, it's kind of dangerous area, but many people go there to their shops in the weekend. In fact i I'm not banned fo this first and last post probably anyways (i wonder why the other user was banned and not you, it's ridiculous, I'll post some pics when i visit, i don't live far from there. Anyways. what city doesn't have bad neighborhoods? As i said before the suburbs have some shanty towns (obviously most of them are nice anyways), but they are small, and its a quite recent situation, there weren't shanty towns 50-40 years ago, they came when the country's lost its position and fall.


As for what you have said about Western europe, well as i said before, don't worry, who compare it with the richest countries in Europe?? For god's sake!! you're assuming things anyone said. Read carefully the next time. It's far from that as it's far from Nigeria, Ivory coast, Haiti and other countries really EXTREMELY poor as you say.

But.. who knows what will happen in 50 years..... after all just 80-90 years ago, some of those countries you called the rich Western Europe, were sending millions of immigrants to Argentina (Italy, Spain, Ireland...) because they were very poor (as you said)...



Aren't Telerman and Macri finishing with that place "villa 31" in 18 months?? That's the prject at least.

And that place is just full of immigrants 50% of their population AT LEAST are immigrants or sons of them from poor American coutries. So wouldn't it be nice if the we start controlling the borders instead of spend millions for these people??

Specially having in mind that 1 out of 3 people in Argentinian jails are immigrants from those countries (40% of the females and 25% of the men).

And when people talk just about desport the illegals that commit crimes there are a lot of controversy about it!! it's crazy!!!!

IMO countries countries with similar economies like Poland, Uruguay, Latvia or Hungary don't have thesen problems because they don't have very poor immigrants arriving from neighboor countries for millions like Argentina has.
They have many people who emigrate and no people arriving.

And i don't even want to remember the conditions of the immigrants coming (which exaplains their crimes) and the fact that their children are considered Argentintians and they are not considered by any category, (like mexican americans are). this mean that the crime rate is obviously not having in mind these people and this is going to be worst in some years when these people (with 5 or 6 children each) had adult "Argentinians" children with more family.

As for poor people here. Again there is nothing like extreme poverty in the sense of people from very poor counttries use the term, starving people and all that. Any stupid even illegal immigrants have a free salary from the govermment if they don't have job, besides of quite descent free health care and education. And free tickets for food in the supermarkets if they don't have job. Anyway the poor people is according to the govermment 25% (which is huge considering that Argentina had a pooverty similar to many developed countries just 15 years ago (7%), but is going down every year after the crisis, and economy is growing 9% per year.

But the rest (75% of the population) is middle class and rich (about 10%)

I'm not saying that all the problems are the immigrants, i'm saying that imo that's one of cause why the poverty is not going down as fast as we want considering the growth of the economy, we have ANY immigrantion control. And i'm pretty sure that the immigrants in other countries don't like 5 or 6 children like ours, it's in the bolivian and paraguayan culture they have man ykids. We? barely 1 or 2. This is gonna be such a problem in the future. But of course you can't complain in the future.... And this people consider living here and being poor better that live in their home countries and live like middle class!!

And if you even dare for asking for more requisites for legal immigration like education and work like in every other country in the world!! (even those who can absorb better than us the immigrants beacause of their economies).

Does it matter when Kirchner say that this moth there are 4000 are not poor anymore in the country when we know that 5000 illegal and very poor immigrants cross the border this month??? (and their bith rate will be higher)

Why in the US people make such a fuss for the famous "immigration bill" and we leglized over a million in a a country of 37 millio las year???

why when they are (still...) the richest country in the world and they think about it before make so many people legal?

Then you're the worst racist in the world, of course ask the opinion of people living near neighborhoods full of immigrants:


anyway, going back to the subject, yes poverty is large (25%) but that poors not even the illegal are starving or anything like that, not even the illegal immigrants!.

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking the same:

Hola, "Personal del gobierno porteño trabajaba para reubicar a las familias" Visto y considerando el proceder de estas personas la reubicación más lógica sería devolverlos a su país de origen. Saludos.

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Vivo en Soldati, barrio de trabajadores donde se podia salir a cualquier hora y hasta dormir con la puerta sin llave. Desde que los politicos nos tomaron como deposito de villas quedamos SITIADOS por asentamiemtos y villas repletas de indocumentados ilegales de paises limitrofes que muchos vienen con antecedentes delictivos y llegan sabiendo que van a recibir viviendas sociales, subsidios y planes asistenciales a costa de los que pagamos impuestos, a cambio de votos. Hoy en soldati salir a la calle y esperar el colectivo es una proeza y los taxis y remises no quieren venir. Encima nos quieren instalar una villa "DE CEMENTO" en cruz y varela, por lo cual los vecinos estamos muy preocupados y ningun politico nos ayuda ni siquiera ahora que estan en campaña.Pero SI se los ve apoyando esos asentamientos con promesas de relocalizacion y viviendas sociales que despues les niegan a los ciudadanos que alquilan y pagan impuestos. Las escuelas y hospitales estan colapsados,lo mismo con otros servicios,lo que me hace pensar hasta que punto estamos en condiciones de seguir con fronteras totalmente abiertas sin politicas migratorias acordes a la situacion que vivimos. Para algunos sera facil hablar de discriminacion,pero para lo que tenemos que convivir pegados con villas y asentamientos peligrosos les aseguro que no es nada facil.Y encima tenemos que cayarnos para que no nos digan discriminadores?????
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Alo comparto tu pensamiento, en ningún país serio del mundo te van a dejar ocupar una casa y colgarte del teléfono, la luz, el gas, el cable, no pagar impuestos.Pero como no somos un país serio esas cosas pasan acá solamente.
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Hola! Perdon en otros paises "serios" estas cosas, pasan. En Holanda hace poco termino muy mal un desalojo. Lo que no se puede permitir es que no se respete la propiedad privada y encima no paguen servicios y son ilegales. Hay que deportalos!
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habría que cumplir LA LEY (¡que palabrita rara, mis queridos compatriotas!) y deportarlos, o meterlos presos.
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Basta Compatriotas!!! No quiero sonar a xenofobo pero es hora que Argentina comience a deportar a tanta Gentuza que solo viene a aprovechar cualquier tipo de posibilidades que dán los Politicos de turno para mostrarse como pala- dines de los "humildes" (??). Es hora que Nuestro Pais abra sus fronteras a ex- tranjeros que traigan cosas positivas para Nuestro Pais. Argentina no necesi- ta yá de vendedores de pimientos y limones, que llegan a desfigurar Nuestra Raza Argentina!!! Vivo en el Norte de Europa y aquí esta Gente no intereza!! Cambiemos Nuestra pasividad para cualquiera que quiera vivir en Nuestro Pais!!! 1.500.000 de Ciudadanos de un mismo Pais es mucha Gente, creo que deberian reclamar a Sus Gobiernos! En Argentina sobran!!!!!
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Bien isabpri, es verdad yo vivo en San Cristobal, y hay un monton de Peruanos recontra chorros, delincuentesssss, si estas esperando el colectivo te "afanan" hombres y mujeres por igual, yo dije que el gobierno que saque a todos esos intrusos y los deporte a su pais de origen,,, a ese lo voto!!!! El Gobierno de la Ciudad no tiene porque reubicarlos, porque ellos quieren estar en el centro asi es mas facil robar, que los mande a su pais.. saludos
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Well, i think this kind of imigrations without control, without rules, only bring poor and a risk for the economy.

I don't think our country needs large immigration now. First what we are doing it's bad for the immigrants and for us, we have:

-It's emigration of people who who return to the land of their grandparents. People that has studies, education and at least a small capital for paying their cost (simply because they need all that, for have a legal status, not like here where all what immigrants only need cross the borders illegally and reach Buenos Aires and spend half an hour in an office to reach the legal status).

-On the other hand, we have millions of immigrants, thousands crossing the borders every day, just walking without any control at all!!. And they get a legal status without the education, small capital and all what other countries /(even richer that our) ask. People that just create slums because they come here without a penny!!, and our govermment don't even has this problem in their agenda!.

-Countries ask for immigrants because they need proffesionals from many areas, they give their legal immigrants points for having an especific career, and points if they are young, if they have work experince in their area. If they reach x points, they can live in that country legally, if they don't, then not.
We on the other hand... Do we have a an immigration program at all?? No! BUT we have people in the TV news or in the newspaper saying that they can find proffesionals for a certain area, and yes we have millions of immigrants but these people don't have any education at all!.


We are creating poor we are NOT being generous AT ALL. Our people need to leave the country, while there even more immigrants that the people leaving Does it make any sense at all!! Our country really is one of a kind but for the bad. It's the only in the world that reach a developed status and lost it in the last three centuries. And with this immigration (politicities?) we are having a huge problem and the worst is that anyone can protest in public because of the fast "racist" or "intolerant" label (which is imo plain stupid).

If we had a better immigration control, that would be generous, because the peole that we would receive will be peruviand or bolivians that can afford rent a house because they woiuld find a job here, because they would be the profesionals that our market ask for, we would have a better control and then any crime gang (like the ones that enter crossing the borders) wouldn't do it as easily, they would be a smaller number so we wouldn't have a overpopulated city of people without money because they can't find a good job... and our govermment wouldn't spend so many money for these people "planes de jefes" (salaries for unemployed people) and it definetely could pay more for those cientific Argentinians who left the country because the govermment don't support their projects, and of course we would have less collapsed free health systems with people that don't pay taxes and the same with education, and the same with insecurity (don't forget that one out of three of the Argentinian prisioners are immigrants -we are not even counting thei children there-).

We are not being generous, not with our people and not even eith the ones arriving because let them in without control, in the 21st economic period is denying them the chance to have a better future even when they can live better than in their coutnry,what is the price?. We are denying our national poors the right to have what the govermment can have to these people because the health care and the education system is collapsed

The same paper that yesterday said that the 25% of the people is poor, also say that over 10% of the population is immigrant we are not counting their children there. And today with our immigration control, are condeming all the immigrants to poverty. So how can this country become developed again if these people keep arriving and their 5 or 6 "Argentinian" children (because they have a very high fertility rate) will be poor as well.


Well I could go on... but I'm sleepy it's 6:42 AM here. Tomorrow (or today whatever) is Sunday of course. LOL.

bye.




STOP ALL THIS SHIT, PLEASE!!!

Has already been (no joke!): "girl", "boy", "History senior student", "Law student", "Ads & Media student", "Sociology postgrad student", "exchange student", "researcher", "tourist", "Argentinean from Buenos Aires", "Uruguayan with an argentine aunt", "Australian from Melbourne whose friend 's once been in Argentina", "expatriated Spaniard", "English(wo)man"... - at least eighteen different user names & personalities successively registered in the last months by the same troll:


- lilili_always (24.232.226.252)
- myplayground_1900 (190.16.22.197)
- argie1985 (190.16.22.197)
- reese_ash (190.16.22.197)
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- luca_giardino_arg (201.235.38.117)
- allthemadmen (201.235.38.117)
- importanceofbeinidle (201.235.38.117)

- aroundthesevenstates (201.235.38.117)



Arkhángel,
retiring Mod

- lilili_always (24.232.226.252)
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[SIZE="4"]Arkhángel,
retiring Mod

What about you who first ban me for anythinkg at all? Assuming i was one one of this user I guess... and without no reason at all!!!! no reason specificated that's the answer I received after spends visinting this board years and the forst time I sign up... and after i spends my afternoom taking pics with all my good will... and after answered a couple of post without break any rule at all.... because i was happy because i finally had decided to dign up after all this time.. I'm banned because of that other user that I don't know what it did but whatever. oh.. and besides of the fact that i wasn't the only user that you ban just because i told him to sign up to this stupid forum that threat me awfull for no reason at all and not even ONCE give me the reason in my computer but whatever....

I was sure that guy was fake. Trying to sell Argetina so badly.

woooow :O what a wonderfull amazing country

thnks 4ur sharing and pls more :D

What an amazing city!!! I hope to visit it soon.

I was sure that guy was fake. Trying to sell Argetina so badly.



mmm He banned me because we have different indeologies (I can't find another reason i never break any rule in this forum I respect any point of view (not like some), and again.

Am I talking with someone who had no idea what western civilization means? :ohno: :lol:


Anyway, snowb, you are the one coming here with subjetive thoughts I just give hard facts, Argentinian's GDP per capita for this year is 17,100 and I just name several countries with the sme GDP and HDI (Human development index). And sorry if I don't consider a country with high development index, a upper-middle GDP per capita, and a economic growing at a 9% rate extremely poor.

what is you point? HOW do you support your facts? "the number of the world organizations are wrong"? LOL.

I'm not selling anything I'm giving you numbers the only way I can speak about a country with you, because we are from different countries. If you were Argentinian I would tell you about trivial facts about our way of life, but I can't. If you were Argentinian I would tell you were do you see people starving or anything like that if this country is so poor? I would tell you doesn't every unemployed (even immigrants) received free health care, salaries for unemployed people, a special credit card for buying food ffor free in the supermarket ebry month, and education for their kids?

that's our system, our coutnry is not rich and is not poor, things are not black and white, there are grey in the middle. We have lot of problems since decades ago, we need to reduce a poverty population of 25%, an an unemployment rate of 8%.

but why do you think that we have millions of immigrants in this country coming from Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, Romania and Ukraine?

Because this country are poorer, again there are grey colors in this world.

chile is growing and you can't compare your country with for example Haiti, Dominic Republic, or Ivory coast, as you can't compare it yet with Canada, France, or England.

Again I'm giving you hard facts (the most important facts for an economic evaluation)

Hey buddie...you should stop losing your time with such posts. Seriously, you don't have to show any proof of your development or undevelopment to the others. I never said Argentina was poor...tough also never said it was rich. Plus, I never...ever mentioned Chile.

Beautiful city!!

The aim of this thread is not to talk about Argentinian economic situation. If you want to discuss Argie's poverty, you can visit "El Quincho", our off topic forum (you have to understand spanish).

Argentinos: si alguno tiene un mapa de la diferencia entre Capital Federal y el conurvano, tráigalo así les explicamos a estos chicos la diferencia entre capital y el Gran Buenos Aires.



MORE BUENOS AIRES AMAZING... ENJOY

::: LA BOCA :::

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http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5905/img0570vt2.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7313/img0576yu4.jpg

::: ARGENTINIAN CONGRESS :::

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http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2889/img0542gd8.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2461/img0536bh6.jpg

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Confitería el Molino
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/343/img0538fd0.jpg

the clock above is very nice, isn't it?

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4479/img0543by1.jpg

Mariano Moreno Memorial

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8783/img0548ih6.jpg

In fact, the most famous villa in argentina, is called "villa 31", it´very old, quite big and rigth downtown.


http://img16.imagevenue.com/loc744/th_22214_100_0466_122_744lo.JPG (http://img16.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=22214_100_0466_122_744lo.JPG)

Here it is. Too bad such a beautiful city like BA has some not-so-nice places, but it´s what´s real and we shouldn´t hide, or deny it.

STOP ALL THIS SHIT, PLEASE!!!

Has already been (no joke!): "girl", "boy", "History senior student", "Law student", "Ads & Media student", "Sociology postgrad student", "exchange student", "researcher", "tourist", "Argentinean from Buenos Aires", "Uruguayan with an argentine aunt", "Australian from Melbourne whose friend 's once been in Argentina", "expatriated Spaniard", "English(wo)man"... - at least eighteen different user names & personalities successively registered in the last months by the same troll:[/SIZE]


- lilili_always (24.232.226.252)
- myplayground_1900 (190.16.22.197)
- argie1985 (190.16.22.197)
- reese_ash (190.16.22.197)
- annie_hall (201.235.38.117)
- youknowjustanother (201.235.38.117)
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- luca_giardino_arg (201.235.38.117)
- allthemadmen (201.235.38.117)
- importanceofbeinidle (201.235.38.117)

- aroundthesevenstates (201.235.38.117)



Arkhángel,
retiring Mod


How can i call you...aroundthesevenstates? :lol:
What's the point on promoting your country this way? Every sane person knows what you're saying is obviously false.
Plus, i dont see why would you need to lie, the country already got great things to offer, i enjoy visiting Argentina (I've been to Bariloche, San Martín de Los Andes and Buenos Aires), great experiences.
Normal people don't need reading your bs for coming to Argentina :lol:

pd: Thank you Arkhángel!

Whops he was banned, have fun living in La-La-Land

Everybody in Argentina is riiiich and there's no poverty because they're like western Europe!

This guy is from Chile, that explains everything he has said, don´t pay attention on him. We argentine konw the way they work so we don´t care. For people of the rest of the world: chileans hate argentines because they envy them. It´s a complex of inferiority. Try to understand and excuse them...

edt

[quote=teykito;14060981]The aim of this thread is not to talk about Argentinian economic situation. If you want to discuss Argie's poverty, you can visit "El Quincho", our off topic forum (you have to understand spanish).

Argentinos: si alguno tiene un mapa de la diferencia entre Capital Federal y el conurvano, tráigalo así les explicamos a estos chicos la diferencia entre capital y el Gran Buenos Aires.





:) nice photos!

edited by Taller Better:
yes they are, tricolor87, but there is no need to quote and repost all the photos that are just on the last page. This adds extra bandwidth to the picture hosting services that people use to upload photographs.

This guy is from Chile, that explains everything he has said, don´t pay attention on him. We argentine konw the way they work so we don´t care. For people of the rest of the world: chileans hate argentines because they envy them. It´s a complex of inferiority. Try to understand and excuse them...


I agree with you

Maybe if you followed the whole thread you'd understand the context of my post.

Even if i did hate the argentinians (which is a complete bullshit since i have argentinian grandparents), do i speak for all the chileans?
Get your nationalistic crap out of here.

Why is it so hard for some people to realize their country isn't all la-la-land? :ohno:

Why is it so hard four you to understand that the aim of this trhead is to show beautiful pictures of Buenos Aires, not a chance for some chilean to say bad things about Argentina as they are use on their newspapers, tv programs or every day life?? Get your chilean envy out of here!

edt

I didn't even start about Argentina duh. and i'm not even asking to post picts about Argentina's bad hoods.
Just read my 1st post.





See idiots? it didn't start with BA. But whatever, you're defending your city against? huh? nothing? Good! You did your nationalistic action of the day!

You started insulting...oh God, that is not nice...don´t be angry. Blame your grandparents who left Argentina and made you chilean...jajaja!

edt

Doh, how old are you? 5?
I guess i'm wasting words in here because you don't seem to understand anything :ohno:
Talk to you in 10 years more, bye bye.

I didn't even start about Argentina duh. and i'm not even asking to post picts about Argentina's bad hoods.
Just read my 1st post.





See idiots? it didn't start with BA. But whatever, you're defending your city against? huh? nothing? Good! You did your nationalistic action of the day!

Maybe if you followed the whole thread you'd understand the context of my post.

Even if i did hate the argentinians (which is a complete bullshit since i have argentinian grandparents), do i speak for all the chileans?
Get your nationalistic crap out of here.

Why is it so hard for some people to realize their country isn't all la-la-land? :ohno:

Look, Latin America is POOR, just because there's some nice cities in there doesn't mean latin americans are close to a western european life standard.

Buenos Aires has got its tough and miserable neighborhoods, far worst than the commies you say in the UK
Ushuaia and Bariloche are little towns
Punta del Este is a very wealthy city and the majority of uruguayans can't afford it!

Very diverse, but even the richest nations are still poor in here.

There's extreme poverty everywhere, no south american countries (except Uruguay maybe?) have solved this issue.

Bariloche is a very touristic area, i doubt tourists ever visit poor areas.

Argentinian gdp ppp per capita for next year is 17,000? the GDP thing is an issue that has been widely discussed in SSC and it can be very tricky, you should know GDP doesn't accurately reflect the country's standard of living, since in most latin american countries, the GDP is taken by the richest only. Plus, our economies are still heavily dependant on agriculture and minerals, no matter what they say, its like this, so we are still far away from developed countries.

I wonder how can you even compare Argentina with any western european country's standard of life, the ammount of poverty, corruption, and everything is WAY higher, its just nonsense.

But whatever, you can go on living in La La Land... you should volunteer to groups that help poor people in the nation you wish.

A question: did you visit the WHOLE Buenos Aires metro area? Did you even ask where the poorest people of BA live?

Just do some research on the main cities of latin america and you'll see everything isn't that great. (Santiago, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Mexico DF, etc....)

So, countries are much more than GDP's and Skylines.

Whops he was banned, have fun living in La-La-Land

**edited this comment because low CI forumers can't interpret it well.*****

:toilet:

Skyyy darling, I highly advice you to get colon cleansing ASAP ...

Empezado por Skyyy
ALL latin american countries are full of slums everywhere (few exceptions though), sometimes they're far away from the wealthy areas and sometimes they're mixed.

And, being the wealthiest city doesn't mean anything, its full of slums just like all our cities, latin american countries are lands of contrast.

Few forumers post pictures of poor areas of their cities because:
1- dont want to show them
or
2- can get their cam stolen

write the same here
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=492524

Ok i get it, its not fair for the Buenos Aires Cityscape and Skyyline thread or any to carry this type of comments even though i know i'm right.

Remember i didn't post this comments because of BA at first, but because of some mexican's comments about Mexico D.F

So i'll delete all my previous comments so this thread stays ontopic.

And for making things clear to all the idiots who think i have some sort of envy. It's bs, i'm not nationalistic at all and i hate nationalism and all that cheap crap.

Ok i get it, its not fair for the Buenos Aires Cityscape and Skyyline thread or any to carry this type of comments even though i know i'm right.

Remember i didn't post this comments because of BA at first, but because of some mexican's comments about Mexico D.F

So i'll delete all my previous comments so this thread stays ontopic.

And for making things clear to all the idiots who think i have some sort of envy. It's bs, i'm not nationalistic at all and i hate nationalism and all that cheap crap.

:okay:

Well i can only say that the Congress building in Buenos Aires to my taste is the most beautifull building of Latin American and i would even say the world!!
Buenos Aires is amazing,it only needs a Eiffel Tower and it would be a Paris with a little more spice.

I LOVE IT!!!

Argentina seems to me to be a wonderfull and betiful country,and yes slums,favelas,barrios or what ever you whant to call it exicst everywere in the world the worst ones i have seen,belive it or NOT! was in Los Angeles CA, not only is there a lot of poor areas of the city,but theres also a big concentration of homeless people that live in a few streets of downtown,the streets are close to the traffic because you cant,or will not drive thru them theres houses made of cardboard boxes in the sidewalks and dirty people everywhere,very very impresive to se such poverty in the richest state of the U.S. and the second most important city,a stunnig constrast with the rich amd famous houses of Beverly Hills and Bel air.

I plan to visit Argentina in the future,i love the food,women and many other things.

to call it exicst everywere in the world the worst ones i have seen,belive it or NOT! was in Los Angeles CA, not only is there a lot of poor areas of the city,but theres also a big concentration of homeless people that live in a few streets of downtown,the streets are close to the traffic because you cant,or will not drive thru them theres houses made of cardboard boxes in the sidewalks and dirty people everywhere,very very impresive to se such poverty in the richest state of the U.S. and the second most important city,a stunnig constrast with the rich amd famous houses of Beverly Hills and Bel air.

I plan to visit Argentina in the future,i love the food,women and many other things.


I know I've seen videos of that places in Los Angeles, it would be nice if all the world would be middle class and not seen people living in ugly slums next to the great HOllywood mansion wouldn't it?.

oh? wait that's communism and tha's a bada word isn't it?? :ohno: Anyway I don't believe in any sistem that work for everyone right know. I think we need another world system lol.

Hermosa ciudad! Buenos Aires, algun dia quiero visitarla...

wow!!!

:applause:

I'm always glad to see B.A pics on SSC, thanks for sharing .

Beautiful thread!

great thread Super!!!


Buenos Aires is a wonderfull city

Muy bueno Super..subí mas fotos!

Buenos Aires is just amazing!

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