Weird to think that this building is now already higher than most of the buildings in my area :nuts:

Edit: woops, I was talking about the core of the Shanghai Tower. Thought it was the thread about the Shanghai Tower for a sec.

Beautiful is not enough to say. Nice skyline.
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These towers are really fantastic, love the architecture. Somewhat simple and elegant.

IFC is really sexy!!! Love it !!!

^^I agree they look really elegant!! Cant wait to see the whole projects lighting scheme!!

^^The first picture of your previous post looks so gorgeous, too bad ifc second tower is not fully finished at the top.

^^The first picture of your previous post looks so gorgeous, too bad ifc second tower is not fully finished at the top.

Thank you!! IFC really turned out like the render images.:cheers:

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Apple is all over the place :lol: Very nice towers indeed

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Ping'An is really such an eyesore. Not only does it stand as an outcast, but also it pollutes the skyline with its dumb red shinny logo.

Wish there would be more IFC quality towers.

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New offices on British architectural firm's mainland blueprint
13 December 2010
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After five years of doing business on the mainland, Britain-based architectural firm Benoy has embarked on a major expansion drive that will see it increase staff numbers more than threefold in the next 12 months and open several new offices.

"China is a huge country, you have to get yourself into it," said Graham Cartledge, who chairs and owns the global architectural firm.

Lured by enormous opportunities in the architectural industry, and a belief that having a local presence is key to establishing a strong foothold in the market, Cartledge said Benoy planned to open new offices in western China including in Chongqing and Chengdu. It already has offices in Shanghai and Beijing.

Since its mainland foray began with the establishment of an office in Shanghai five years ago, the firm has provided design services for Hong Kong and mainland developers in 28 mainland cities. One of its first projects in China was the Shanghai IFC, a six-storey retail mall.

Benoy recently won three new deals: the Tongzhou Centre in Beijing - an office-hotel-residential development; the mixed-use Raffles City in Shenzhen; and the White Magnolia Plaza in Shanghai - a retail development connected to the city's metro system.

Founded in 1947 in Newark, Nottinghamshire, Benoy forged its reputation for designing large-scale retail and commercial developments with the contract to design the Bluewater complex in Kent and the Bull Ring in Birmingham.

Cartledge, who was awarded the CBE in 2008, said British firms wanted to do business on the mainland, which he called one of the world's most important design centres.

Benoy currently has about 60 staff members in its mainland offices in Shanghai and Beijing. Cartledge said the number in Benoy's mainland office would probably jump to "200 this time next year". This would be comparable to the present size of its staff in Hong Kong.

Benoy's Asian expansion began 10 years ago when the company was selected by the MTR Corporation to design the shopping mall - now known as Elements - at Kowloon Station.

"Hong Kong was our introduction and opening to China 10 years ago when we first took the decision to internationalise, and for many years it has been our home in Asia. Hong Kong has since acted as a springboard for us to expand into China and Asia," Cartledge said.

Architects were drawn to the region by the growth and speed of development in the mainland market, he said.

China is really hot these days!!!

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The towers are totally finished, you got to see with your own eyes to realise how amazing they actually are..

The towers are totally finished, you got to see with your own eyes to realise how amazing they actually are..

I wish i could....................Maybe next year.:cheers:

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Go on a designer spree Luxury brands are closer to home
10 December 2010
Shanghai Daily

IT used to be routine for Shanghai resident Michelle Shen to travel to Hong Kong, a "shopping paradise" less than three hours away by air, before Christmas to buy gifts - lots of them - for herself, her family and her friends.

However, this year, the 27-year-old office worker decided to stay at home. Her last shopping excursion to Hong Kong with her husband in April was "devastatingly depressing."

"You can't imagine how many people were there in the Louis Vuitton store or the Chanel store asking for the same bag," she said. "It felt like shopping in an open market rather than in a luxury store."

She ended up not getting the Chanel bag she had planned to buy before the trip, and spending a lot of cash on piles of beauty products not on her list, most of which she has yet to open.

"I feel stupid," she said. "I wanted to buy the bag in Hong Kong because it is cheaper there. However, the money I spent on the airline tickets, accommodation and all those unnecessary cosmetics far exceeded the price difference. And, I didn't even get the bag!"

Hong Kong is no longer the first choice for local residents to buy luxury goods nowadays. According to Bain & Company, a research consultant, China's consumer luxury goods market outpaced every other luxury market in the past year, with a 23 percent increase over 2009 in terms of sales. The company surveyed nearly 1,500 luxury consumers in China and found there is a continued trend of increased domestic spending.

Shen's friend, Lily Chen, said that she used to travel to Hong Kong to buy brands that are not available in Shanghai. She added she is an ardent follower of Italian fashion brand Miu Miu, which opened its first store in Shanghai this year.

"It's much easier to buy here," said the young housewife who is married to a wealthy husband. "I can get what I want immediately without having to plan a trip or waiting for friends to bring me something from their trips. The service is better, too - the shop assistants speak Shanghai dialect as I do. I sometimes have communication problems with shop assistants in Hong Kong or other countries."

Besides Miu Miu, many luxury brands including Tom Ford, Roger Vivier, Giuseppe Zanotti and Georg Jensen launched stores in Shanghai this year.

Moreover, the opening of IFC Mall in Pudong New Area, together with the recently renovated Hong Kong Plaza and Lippo Plaza on Huaihai Road, provides Shanghai shoppers a much wider choice in terms of shopping destinations.

"It seems to have happened all of a sudden," Chen said. "Shanghai now has three Chanel, three Louis Vuitton and four Tiffany stores. It's hard to imagine this even just a year ago."

Shen agreed and added that there are more product offerings in Shanghai nowadays thanks to the opening of these stores. For example, the bag she couldn't find in Hong Kong is available in two Chanel boutiques in the city.

Some fashion houses create special limited edition products to be sold only in certain stores in China. For example, when Coach opened its flagship store on Huaihai Road earlier this year, it launched a limited edition collection of purses and accessories specially designed for the store. Dior also came up with a capsule collection in a unique blue color to commemorate its store opening in Plaza 66.

To celebrate the upcoming holiday season, Chloe launched a limited edition of 78 bags in the prosperous red color for the Chinese market. Each bag comes with its own serial number.

"The shopping environment is much better too," Shen added. "The Chanel flagship store in the Peninsula Hotel is my favorite. It is never too crowded, and is decorated in an elegant, arty way. Shopping there makes me feel really good about myself."

Many luxury brands with new stores opened in Shanghai this year, including Louis Vuitton, Dior and Swarovski, invested a huge amount of money on interior decoration to offer customers a better shopping experience.

Chen added that it's really unnecessary to go to Hong Kong if one only wants to buy a bag or two, since the price gap has narrowed over the years.

For example, a Louis Vuitton Speedy 30 bag was recently priced at 5,500 yuan (US$825.28) in Shanghai while it was available for HK$5,450 (US$702) in Hong Kong. A medium-sized Chanel classic flap bag was priced at 27,900 yuan in Shanghai and HK$29,100 in Hong Kong.

Special services offered by certain brands are another reason for customers to shop Shanghai. The Ferragamo's Creations atelier in IFC Mall, for instance, is the only of its kind in China where customers are able to order recreations of the brand's most famous historical models in limited-numbered series.

Louis Vuitton's Plaza 66 store features an atelier, a workshop where a range of special services, including made-to-order, hot-stamping and painting are provided. For example, one can have his or her initials hot-stamped (a dry printing method) on a newly purchased handbag. It is also the French luxury house's first atelier located in a store anywhere in the world.

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^^Wow it turned out great!! So can we say this project is complete?

in the last picture, you can actually see the height difference between the two towers

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真是太给力了！！！！！！！

Don't think the project is complete until official opening.

^^is the official opening date set yet?? It seems like its complete already..........not sure about the interiors though.

External completion does not equal interior completion. Don't think the other tower is even open yet. They may still be fitting the pipes and wiring in right now.

^^ yes this might take from 3 to 6 months

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very impressive!!

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Shanghai retailers to benefit long term from World Expo
28 April 2010
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WORLD Expo 2010 is expected to have a long-lasting impact on Shanghai's retail sector.

With the world fair opening on Saturday, shopping malls on both sides of the Huangpu River are gearing up to take advantage of the 70 million expected visitors.

"The Expo's impact on the retail sector will last longer than the six-month increase in tourism," said Anthony Couse, managing director for Jones Lang LaSalle Shanghai. "The real legacy of the event will come from the opportunities that the new infrastructure creates across the city in all commercial as well as residential property sectors."

In the heart of Lujiazui, Pudong, Shanghai IFC mall, a top-tier retail project developed by Hong Kong-based Sun Hung Kai Properties, is scheduled to open today, three days ahead of Expo 2010.

An integral part of Shanghai IFC, Sun Hung Kai's first landmark development in Shanghai designed to replicate the success of Hong Kong IFC, is its six-story retail complex. It will join Nanjing Road W., Huaihai Road M. and the Bund area as a luxury shopping destination.

With a total gross floor area of more than 92,900 square meters, Shanghai IFC mall will house the largest collection of international luxury brands. Of these brands, 15 percent are debuting in China and 40 percent are entering Shanghai for the first time, according to Wong Chik-wing, executive director of Sun Hung Kai.

Nearly 90 percent of the mall has been leased amid robust market demand and 25 top-tier brands such as Louis Vuitton, Chanel, Hermes, Prada, Gucci, Cartier, Salvatore Ferragamo and Tiffany have already secured spaces on the ground floor.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the Huangpu River, the 300,000-square-meter SML Central Square is close to opening in downtown Luwan District. Half of the space is designated for retail, as well as food and beverage outlets.

SML Central Square, an 8 billion yuan (US$1.17 billion) development by Ding Rong Real Estate from Taiwan, will launch its retail operations - including a 50,000-square-meter department store, 60,000 square meters of F&B space and a 30,000-square-meter IT mall - within about two months.

SML Central Square is above Dapuqiao Station on Metro Line 9 and less than 2 kilometers from the Expo site in Luwan. It's the largest commercial project to be developed in downtown Shanghai in the past few years and is positioned as a trendy leisure destination.

Love the way how they are able to integrate traditional chinese element into modern design in Ritz Carlton! Thanks for the photos Vrooms

And i cant believe 40% of the brands in IFC is first time introduced to Shanghai??

Love the way how they are able to integrate traditional chinese element into modern design in Ritz Carlton! Thanks for the photos Vrooms

And i cant believe 40% of the brands in IFC is first time introduced to Shanghai??

Your welcome. I like the design of that light too...........I agree. I too can't believe that 40% of them are new to the shanghai market.:cheers:

Love the way how they are able to integrate traditional chinese element into modern design in Ritz Carlton! Thanks for the photos Vrooms

And i cant believe 40% of the brands in IFC is first time introduced to Shanghai??
I'm not surprised. Luxury goods tax is quite high in China and Shanghai doesn't have that much big new luxury malls in Pudong to begin with. So naturally IFC would be a big hit given it's in the heart of Lujiazui.

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Its so beautiful but i dont know why it doesnt give me the same feeling as plaza66 =/

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Its so beautiful but i dont know why it doesnt give me the same feeling as plaza66 =/

Plaza 66 is also nice in its own way. I would think it will take time to get use to IFC. Same story here in Singapore where the new malls look better but locals somewhat dont feel at home shopping there....................:)

Architects' success in East is an example to UK firms
5 January 2011
Nottingham Evening Post

THE best shopping centre in the whole of Asia was designed by a firm of architects based in Nottinghamshire.

Benoy, which has its headquarters in Newark, drew up IFC Shanghai, a luxury retail destination in China which has since been voted the best of its kind in the fastest-growing part of the global economy.

The award has been picked out as one of the highlights of 2010 by Benoy's chairman, Graham Cartledge CBE.

But while China has become a major money-spinner for the firm, with a major chunk of its annual revenue coming from the country, Benoy also has eyes on new markets.

Mr Cartledge said the next target on Benoy's expanding global map is South America.

"This year we will be exploring the South American markets because we believe there are some real opportunities there," he told the Post. Benoy grew out of a rural land agency and began to take off after Mr Cartledge bought it out of an unsuccessful marriage with the quoted design business Fitch in 1992.

It proved its credentials as a designer of major retail and leisure projects with Bluewater in Kent and the Bullring in Birmingham - landmark schemes which enabled it to successfully pitch for business in growing economies abroad.

Last year saw the firm bring in nearly 80 per cent of its revenue from abroad, with half of that coming from the massive Chinese market.

Mr Cartledge is a prominent member of British government trade delegations, accompanying Prime Minister David Cameron on a visit to China.

He said he believes there remain significant opportunities for British business abroad at a time when the UK economy is still subdued.

"There are huge opportunities are they are not confined to my kind of business," said Mr Cartledge.

"Manufacturing and service industries - anything which involves expertise - can do well overseas, and I think people don't always realise the level of respect that there is in these markets for British goods and services.

"Clearly you have to familiarise yourself with these markets and results will not come overnight.

"The East Midlands has done quite well at exporting. One of the reasons why the region has a strong presence in China is the University of Nottingham, where David Greenaway [the vice chancellor] has made a brilliant contribution.

"Business can use this, and examine whether engaging with the university and its student base could offer some help and some value."

As well as offices in Newark and London, Benoy also has operations in Hong Kong and Shanghai, and offices in Mumbai, Singapore, Beijing and Abu Dhabi - where its designed the Ferrari World theme park.

Mr Cartledge said: "We have a clear strategy for Benoy in the years to come and I am full of optimism and ambition."

Optimistic: Graham Cartledge, chairman of international architectural firm Benoy, based in Newark. Towering ambition: The £560m Raffles City development in Shenzhen is one of Benoy's latest projects in China. An earlier scheme in Shanghai has been voted best shopping centre in Asia.

Its so beautiful but i dont know why it doesnt give me the same feeling as plaza66 =/

I wonder whether better street-level interaction would inject some vibrancy into these elegant towers.

I wonder whether better street-level interaction would inject some vibrancy into these elegant towers.

Do you think that this street level activity (such as smaller shops and restaurants) can be added now, or do you think it's too late?

^^A bit late i think, the roads are too wide and theres no more plots.

I wonder whether better street-level interaction would inject some vibrancy into these elegant towers.

I think that is exactly why!

Do you think that this street level activity (such as smaller shops and restaurants) can be added now, or do you think it's too late?

Too late .. unless they can add some street retail, or an at-grade crossing, which will not happen.

It is possible to redo the base of the buildings like they were(are?) doing to Hong Kong Plaza on Huaihai Road, and build extentions onto streets for retail. There is a lot of space between the 3 core towers which you could pedestrianise. Then the streets could be remodelled to improve permeability. All that is physically possible, provided there is the political will, of which unfortunately there is none whatsoever.

One potential problem is that the part of the penisular west of the station isn't very accessible as the road tunnel come up to the surface east of there, well all I say is for goodness sake open up the 'sightseeing tunnel' to free public use and restore the ferry.

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I went to IFC mall today, jesus its good :p There are in fact a lot of people now, its not as empty as it seems in the picture, keep in mind that today is thursday, there should be even more people in the weekends.

I went to IFC mall today, jesus its good :p There are in fact a lot of people now, its not as empty as it seems in the picture, keep in mind that today is thursday, there should be even more people in the weekends.

Thats great to hear. I agree its a great mall.:)

It is possible to redo the base of the buildings like they were(are?) doing to Hong Kong Plaza on Huaihai Road, and build extentions onto streets for retail. There is a lot of space between the 3 core towers which you could pedestrianise. Then the streets could be remodelled to improve permeability. All that is physically possible, provided there is the political will, of which unfortunately there is none whatsoever.

One potential problem is that the part of the penisular west of the station isn't very accessible as the road tunnel come up to the surface east of there, well all I say is for goodness sake open up the 'sightseeing tunnel' to free public use and restore the ferry.
Doubt it. The moment they build an indoor shopping mall, it's going to do everything to draw people in and keep them inside.

Having shops and especially eateries at ground floor opening onto the streets do also draw customers into the mall who otherwise wouldn't be drawn.

Having shops and especially eateries at ground floor opening onto the streets do also draw customers into the mall who otherwise wouldn't be drawn.
But IFC is not designed to be like that. Do any of the stores on the sides open along the street? Even the Apple store is sunk underground, drawing people in, not keeping them outside.

But IFC is not designed to be like that. Do any of the stores on the sides open along the street? Even the Apple store is sunk underground, drawing people in, not keeping them outside.

True. It's all in the mindset of the decision makers really.

Yesterday i visited Lujiazui i found that the two ugly HSBC logos on top of the first IFC was removed, hopefully they have realised how much the white background in the logo ruins the tower.

Also there are many ropes hanging down from the towers to the podium, if you look carefully at the last picture, you can see the lines in between the towers, what are they for?

Yesterday i visited Lujiazui i found that the two ugly HSBC logos on top of the first IFC was removed, hopefully they have realised how much the white background in the logo ruins the tower.

Also there are many ropes hanging down from the towers to the podium, if you look carefully at the last picture, you can see the lines in between the towers, what are they for?

I hope they replace the HSBC sign with one without the white background. :)Anyone know the tenant of the other tower?

They already took out the logo and the building has been opened for a few months only?

^^Yea i hope they are replacing the logo like Vrooms has said :)

Anyways IFC in snow ;D

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^^Wow!! Wish i was in Shanghai.:lol:

Well, the snow is causing havoc at the airports and impacting Spring Festival train travel. It's not a good time to try to get in.

Yesterday i visited Lujiazui i found that the two ugly HSBC logos on top of the first IFC was removed, hopefully they have realised how much the white background in the logo ruins the tower.



My bad.. i think the one i saw was the new building, the old building still has the white background logo..

My bad.. i think the one i saw was the new building, the old building still has the white background logo..

Indeed...
And I'm pretty sure they are going to add another same logo to the north tower.

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Hehe...Look Ahead!!! Yeah!!!

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Yesterday i visited Lujiazui i found that the two ugly HSBC logos on top of the first IFC was removed, hopefully they have realised how much the white background in the logo ruins the tower.

Also there are many ropes hanging down from the towers to the podium, if you look carefully at the last picture, you can see the lines in between the towers, what are they for?
I want an integrated HSBC and Rits-Carlton logo, if they can do it beautifully..:)

But I think they may put an "IFC" logo??

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awesome photos

im so impressed
this city seems so amazing!
i have to visit it soon!

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Went to IFC mall again yesterday (sunday). You cant exactly say it was filled with people like SuperBrand Mall, but visitors are definitely growing exponentially. There was a couple / a person every 2 or 3 meters or so in the mall.

There was a show in the atrium of the mall, and people were gathering up aroudn the stage. Also there was dozen of others in the Gucci store with me looking around, although higher end stores like Herms and Bottega Veneta is still quite empty. Very pleased to see the growth in visitors!!

I don't think these luxury stores are designed to maximize crowds though, as they want to convey an elegant experience rather than a crowded one. That being said, their counterparts in Hong Kong and Paris are ironically even more crowded than the food markets.

Counterparts as in fake or luxury malls?

They simply serve as a gallery for people to browse around, usually Mainland people would go buy these in Hong Kong after browsing around these local stores. Or theres people like me who would browse around and buy duty free. Tiny percentage of people who visits the store actually plans to buy it there.

Counterparts as in fake or luxury malls?

They simply serve as a gallery for people to browse around, usually Mainland people would go buy these in Hong Kong after browsing around these local stores. Or theres people like me who would browse around and buy duty free. Tiny percentage of people who visits the store actually plans to buy it there.

The luxury malls being their counterparts. If they want fakes they don't need to fly out to get them. :)

Yea ahaha is it true that you can only buy one LV bag per passport in Europe? This is mad..

stunning photographs

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SHANGHAI IFC DECEMBER 2010

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Does anyone know what spot this is? Just browsed through all 80 pages of the thread and I swear I've seen more than 10 pictures from the same stunning vantage point.

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This picture will look so much nicer once the north tower is finished and lighted up. Hopefully I will be there to witness it this year.:banana:

lkiller123 its take from oriental pearl tower, probably the first ball lol

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^^ Cool, the sign of IFC has a shape that resembles the IFC building.

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Very nice pic!!!:cheers:

Simply amazing...i was here Nov 2007 and it was so different. No IFC, IFC mall, no round skybridge, no bus loop on top of the metro. The IFC is such a great addition to Pudong.

I agree, on that picture it looks really good. :)

Simply amazing...i was here Nov 2007 and it was so different. No IFC, IFC mall, no round skybridge, no bus loop on top of the metro. The IFC is such a great addition to Pudong.

Not even SWFC in 2007 :)

No 21st century building, no taiping financial center, no Ping'an building, no BEA building, no Mirae Asset in that area of Lujiazui :)

love Shanghai,

the skyline is just getting better and better.

the skyline is just getting better and better.

i agree!!:)

It looks like a really miserable place to be a person walking...

...endless expanses of monotonous paving, underground, artificially lit malls with nothing in them besides places to spend money on useless junk, long elevated walkways over boring highways, no kind of activity from buildings facing outwards, nothing going on outside....

... its like Dubai... just a giant parking lot with towers sticking out of it intersected by vast roads... hell to get around unless you drive

this is a city designed for cars and robots, not people. depressing

We should be building for people and the human scale at the bottom of these towers. We can still have towers and amazing skylines if they grow up out of a more intimate environment that fits the scale of people - narrower streets, building frontages, homes, squares surrounded by activity. We must stop designing cities that only work from a distance.

What do you think?

it is possible to build tall and dense and make streets interesting and fun for people:

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It looks like a really miserable place to be a person walking...

...endless expanses of monotonous paving, underground, artificially lit malls with nothing in them besides places to spend money on useless junk, long elevated walkways over boring highways, no kind of activity from buildings facing outwards, nothing going on outside....

... its like Dubai... just a giant parking lot with towers sticking out of it intersected by vast roads... hell to get around unless you drive

this is a city designed for cars and robots, not people. depressing

We should be building for people and the human scale at the bottom of these towers. We can still have towers and amazing skylines if they grow up out of a more intimate environment that fits the scale of people - narrower streets, building frontages, homes, squares surrounded by activity. We must stop designing cities that only work from a distance.

What do you think?

This has been discussed many times. Normally I agree with you but this area is designed as a CBD. And in this case, it also serves as a tourist attraction. At least I found it very nice to walk there but that was of course because you are walking between famous buildings. A normal CBD like this in just a random city would be horrible to walk in but this area has a very special feeling to it. And for shanghai, this area is a refreshment because everywhere else is very densely build.

Besides you have Nanjing road on the other side of the river. Only one stop with the metro and you are here:

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So, in my opinion, your story is not valid here, but would be valid in other lifeless CBD's in smaller cities. But I think you have to experience this area of Shanghai yourself.

The other side of the river (Puxi) is completely different to Lujiazui. Trust me, it's far from being 'endless expanses of monotonous paving, long elevated walkways over boring highways, no kind of activity from buildings facing outwards, nothing going on outside...'

Using Lujiazui as a representative of the whole city is like me looking at a picture of Canary Wharf area and stating that the whole of London is like that!

I do agree though that Lujiazui could do with more street level interaction - there used to be a nice outside restaurant/noodle bar area opposite the Pearl Tower but I think this was removed for Expo :(

Its really awesome to walk on the round elevated walkway, initially i thought this was going to be a failure, but i changed my mind after i have been on it. Even though it may look empty on street level, but underground or inside the malls its a different place.

IFC mall and Superbrand mall are really the only place people would go in Lujiazui (not including employees there). Since the CBD is pretty far from residential areas, people either go there by car or subway. Line 2 Lujiazui stop connects straight into IFC mall and people going to SuperBrand mall only needs to walk the distance of the skywalk. Hence you wont see awful lot of people walking outside.

Its really awesome to walk on the round elevated walkway, initially i thought this was going to be a failure, but i changed my mind after i have been on it.


I also love the elevated walkway it something different and interesting!!:cheers:

It looks like a really miserable place to be a person walking...

...endless expanses of monotonous paving, underground, artificially lit malls with nothing in them besides places to spend money on useless junk, long elevated walkways over boring highways, no kind of activity from buildings facing outwards, nothing going on outside....

... its like Dubai... just a giant parking lot with towers sticking out of it intersected by vast roads... hell to get around unless you drive

this is a city designed for cars and robots, not people. depressing

We should be building for people and the human scale at the bottom of these towers. We can still have towers and amazing skylines if they grow up out of a more intimate environment that fits the scale of people - narrower streets, building frontages, homes, squares surrounded by activity. We must stop designing cities that only work from a distance.

What do you think?Exactly. It's an urban planning disaster, and there's nothing actually along the streets to warrant people to be there, such as shops or restaurants.

Exactly. It's an urban planning disaster, and there's nothing actually along the streets to warrant people to be there, such as shops or restaurants.

Different part of the city serve different roles, I don't think it's an urban planning disaster if it's designed that way. It's a clean and modern CBD, designed to be the headquarter of businesses, so a clean, sleek, and car friendly surrounding is preferred. There are plenty of dedicated pedestrian shopping streets around Shanghai, and I think a city like this warrant a dedicated CBD as well. Again, the only people walking those walkways are tourists, and they are there precisely to see this dedicated CBD.

Different part of the city serve different roles, I don't think it's an urban planning disaster if it's designed that way. It's a clean and modern CBD, designed to be the headquarter of businesses, so a clean, sleek, and car friendly surrounding is preferred. There are plenty of dedicated pedestrian shopping streets around Shanghai, and I think a city like this warrant a dedicated CBD as well. Again, the only people walking those walkways are tourists, and they are there precisely to see this dedicated CBD.

This isn't an issue with making Lujiazui another Nanjing Road or pedestrian market. Vibrant doesn't necessarily mean pack the most number of people over a square km. The devoid grand boulevards of Pudong highlight a major urban planning dilemma - is the city for the people or for cars? What about the locals? Why would they rather spend time underground in a mall, crossing the street, than actually getting onto the street to grab a drink, get some exercise, and enjoy the weather?

We know the car-centric city does not work. That's American suburbia, which is a planning disaster of the 20th century. We know vibrant cities engage people at street-level, and it's not just tourists, but also locals. Mixed use also keeps streets alive day and night, and adds convenience as people can walk to get what they need, rather than jump into a car to do so. Lujiazui fails to engage people at street-level. Sure, it's great for cars to move around, but the city is ultimately for the people, and we need to find ways to build them so the inhabitants can enjoy a great quality of life.

Right now, there are quite a lot of barriers to even cross the street. If people can't do something as simple as that, and get sucked into malls all along the street, then I really wonder what exactly are planners trying to achieve.

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Logo looks so much like HK's IFC?

Great building. When are they going to tear down the oriental pearl tower? :nuts:

Logo looks so much like HK's IFC?

Great building. When are they going to tear down the oriental pearl tower? :nuts:

It was built by the same developer. :)

Great building. When are they going to tear down the oriental pearl tower? :nuts:

I dont think they will..............It makes the skyline more iconic and is still drawing in loads of tourists.:)

I dont think they will..............It makes the skyline more iconic and is still drawing in loads of tourists.:)

I would love them to reclad it though! The concrete is getting stained and ugly!

Different part of the city serve different roles, I don't think it's an urban planning disaster if it's designed that way. It's a clean and modern CBD, designed to be the headquarter of businesses, so a clean, sleek, and car friendly surrounding is preferred. There are plenty of dedicated pedestrian shopping streets around Shanghai, and I think a city like this warrant a dedicated CBD as well. Again, the only people walking those walkways are tourists, and they are there precisely to see this dedicated CBD.

A CBD would work even better with all other things integrated with it. In fact the other side of the river is no less of a CBD but has much more soul. If you ask office workers what they want, you'll find they actually want an environment where there's plenty of choice for lunch, after-work gatherings, where you can take a comfortable lunchtime stroll and where you can easily pick up some shopping on the way to the metro station / bus stop. A car frienly surrounding simply wouldn't work. Lastly, Pudong needs and deserves a mix-use pedestrian-friendly centre.

A CBD would work even better with all other things integrated with it. In fact the other side of the river is no less of a CBD but has much more soul. If you ask office workers what they want, you'll find they actually want an environment where there's plenty of choice for lunch, after-work gatherings, where you can take a comfortable lunchtime stroll and where you can easily pick up some shopping on the way to the metro station / bus stop. A car frienly surrounding simply wouldn't work. Lastly, Pudong needs and deserves a mix-use pedestrian-friendly centre.

Yes, but a completely fresh CBD is a complicated thing to do. Shanghai had the advantage of having farmland to build on. Building a CBD with existing infrastructure can be very very hard, especially when dealing with people who currently live in the area. The pedestrian friendly area wasn't part of the design because you can have that right across the river. The point of the Lujiazui development was to create an iconic CBD, with grand boulevards and parks, something rare to see in large cities nowadays.

From my knowledge and experience with people who work in tall buildings, few of them actually leave to eat, with the main reason being the inconvenience of having to leave the building (elevator times, transfers, signing/swiping in and out, etc). Most people that I know order and have it delivered, which allows for more time to actually eat. That and many buildings have restaurants and cafeterias built in for their workers. And even if that isn't the case in China, there are many many options in Lujiazui for lunch. Sure, not as many as there are across the river, but still a good selection.

As for your concerns about taking a lunch time stroll, look around. Lots of green space around these towers.

Actually a lot of people in Lujiazui choose Superbrand Mall to have their lunch, i see a whole bunch of employees there during noon.

But what exactly are the grand boulevards and parks for when people don't use them? So the purpose is to merely show-off and not to enjoy?

I see green but not many people taking advantage of it, and given thousands of workers reside in the office buildings in this area, I'm surprised the public spaces aren't more heavily utilized.

And since nobody lives in that part of Lujiazui, it becomes a ghost town at night, whereas mixed use would encourage people to linger around after office hours.

cool building..

But what exactly are the grand boulevards and parks for when people don't use them? So the purpose is to merely show-off and not to enjoy?

I see green but not many people taking advantage of it, and given thousands of workers reside in the office buildings in this area, I'm surprised the public spaces aren't more heavily utilized.

And since nobody lives in that part of Lujiazui, it becomes a ghost town at night, whereas mixed use would encourage people to linger around after office hours.

That is the idea behind a CBD though. Have you ever been in the financial district in NY or Boston during the weekends or later at night? They are usually deserted. Business areas are all about showing off and having the bling, as it is a way of expressing wealth, which is why the Bund is drastically different in appearance from Lujiazui. One encourages quick street level shoping and activity, where the other is a composition of spaces and negative spaces created by grand towers, parks, and boulevards, space that makes the viewer standback and look at these statues of wealth. There was a reason the Prudential Center and Hancock tower here in Boston were built where they are... there is nothing around to draw attention from them, especially the Hancock. The same idea is at play here.

That is the idea behind a CBD though. Have you ever been in the financial district in NY or Boston during the weekends or later at night? They are usually deserted. Business areas are all about showing off and having the bling, as it is a way of expressing wealth, which is why the Bund is drastically different in appearance from Lujiazui. One encourages quick street level shoping and activity, where the other is a composition of spaces and negative spaces created by grand towers, parks, and boulevards, space that makes the viewer standback and look at these statues of wealth. There was a reason the Prudential Center and Hancock tower here in Boston were built where they are... there is nothing around to draw attention from them, especially the Hancock. The same idea is at play here.
Actually, Midtown is a mixed-use area, and is still very lively at night. 42nd is quite busy and Times Square is within a short walking distance from the skyscraper office towers.

Business areas can express wealth, but they can also be lively areas where people gather. Who says they can't be both at the same time? The problem is when it comes to execution, many cities fail to achieve both.

That is the idea behind a CBD though. Have you ever been in the financial district in NY or Boston during the weekends or later at night? They are usually deserted. Business areas are all about showing off and having the bling, as it is a way of expressing wealth, which is why the Bund is drastically different in appearance from Lujiazui. One encourages quick street level shoping and activity, where the other is a composition of spaces and negative spaces created by grand towers, parks, and boulevards, space that makes the viewer standback and look at these statues of wealth. There was a reason the Prudential Center and Hancock tower here in Boston were built where they are... there is nothing around to draw attention from them, especially the Hancock. The same idea is at play here.

That's not even remotely true. The architects had to modify the design of the Hancock Tower to reduce the impact on the nearby Copley Square, churches, and Boston Public Library.

That's not even remotely true. The architects had to modify the design of the Hancock Tower to reduce the impact on the nearby Copley Square, churches, and Boston Public Library.

Yes, it had to be modified, but they picked to build there for two reasons, one being that there was nothing there to compete with it, and the other being that they wanted to make a statement against the Prudential a mile down the road.

That is the idea behind a CBD though. Have you ever been in the financial district in NY or Boston during the weekends or later at night? They are usually deserted. Business areas are all about showing off and having the bling, as it is a way of expressing wealth, which is why the Bund is drastically different in appearance from Lujiazui. One encourages quick street level shoping and activity, where the other is a composition of spaces and negative spaces created by grand towers, parks, and boulevards, space that makes the viewer standback and look at these statues of wealth. There was a reason the Prudential Center and Hancock tower here in Boston were built where they are... there is nothing around to draw attention from them, especially the Hancock. The same idea is at play here.

This kind of idea reflects precisely the worst kind of corporatism.

It may be a very sterile CBD, but thanks to the park and Oriental Pearl Tower, it attracts an abnormally high number of tourists to this area, an area which has little to none tourist attractions besides the underwater world, the park and the shopping centre and maybe a place to stare back at the Bund. Its unique towers draws a lot of tourists to this area as well, in other nations, an area like this would be disasterous

I would love them to reclad it though! The concrete is getting stained and ugly!

Yeah it could use a good paint job or like you said recladding.:cheers:

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It may be a very sterile CBD, but thanks to the park and Oriental Pearl Tower, it attracts an abnormally high number of tourists to this area, an area which has little to none tourist attractions besides the underwater world, the park and the shopping centre and maybe a place to stare back at the Bund. Its unique towers draws a lot of tourists to this area as well, in other nations, an area like this would be disasterous

A non-sterile CBD needn't have any fewer or less iconoic towers, nor would it attract fewer tourists, and in fact quite the contrary.

SWFC looks superb in that first photo! 10/10

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I expect that Guangzhou will develop differently because it is more of a manufacturing center than Beijing or Shanghai. Certainly the manufacturing activity requires some financial development, but it does not require becoming a financial hub.

Guangzhou won't be a manufacturing hub forever, maybe the Guangdong province will still remain strong on manufacturing industry (upgrade perhaps) but it's capital city won't. I think inner provinces will become a manufacturing hub. (ie, Henan, Sichuan, and etc)

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An old construction photo by 海大头 from a Chinese photography forum (http://www.photofans.cn/forum/showthread.php?forumid=40&threadyear=2011&threadid=23587&PHPSESSID=2501a5b81d3f2e8e5bfcf55cc2c54041) :

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nice photos...

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There is never enough pictures of the inside of IFC Mall!! :D

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shanghai looks out of this world! i would love to visit

I expect that Guangzhou will develop differently because it is more of a manufacturing center than Beijing or Shanghai. Certainly the manufacturing activity requires some financial development, but it does not require becoming a financial hub.

Guangzhou won't be a manufacturing hub forever, maybe the Guangdong province will still remain strong on manufacturing industry (upgrade perhaps) but it's capital city won't. I think inner provinces will become a manufacturing hub. (ie, Henan, Sichuan, and etc)

CoCoMilk says right. Local government in Guangzhou is focusing on development of tertiary industry. They will extent the Zhujiang New Town CBD in eastwards in Yuancun. Yuancun CBD will be the financial district.

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I have seen in recent pictures that the slot on top of the tower where they place the logo has turned black, now why is it turning purple in the above pictures?

I have seen in recent pictures that the slot on top of the tower where they place the logo has turned black, now why is it turning purple in the above pictures?

Because it’s an LED screen…

Oh really? so it is a LED screen on 1IFC too?

Oh really? so it is a LED screen on 1IFC too?

Oh, the one on 1IFC is just a logo.

Amazing!!

I wonder what they are gonna do with the LED display -_-

Perhaps they're waiting for someone to buy the advertising rights.

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