These images were posted at WiredNewYork today (thread (http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14441)). They are for a proposed office tower on the west side of Midtown, not too far away from the skyscrapers that are supposed to rise around Penn Station. Sounds speculative for now.

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looks nice but by the looks of that render^^ it kinda domintes the Empire state building a bit to much...but anyway looks nice!

must of the buildings in midtown arent that tall...even 1 penn plaza stands out!

That's a pretty nice looking tower. I like it's simplicity but at the same time seems to have some intricate items about it also.

I like that, especially the night time render.

Looks sleeking hot!!

i LOVE that night time render... wooohoooo go nyc :)

An extra high building near The Empire State Building! Nice!

wonderful!!

Is this that 90-story hotel for the Javits Center? It says this is office. How cool. If I recall correctly, the older version had a setback which was half the size of the bottom half and it emitted a beam of light into the sky.

It looks like 2WTC and 3WTC had a kid.

ok so the corner between 34th and 10th is free or needs something to be demolished there ???

must of the buildings in midtown arent that tall...even 1 penn plaza stands out!

Excuse me? Did you mean the whole midtown or just midtown south? if you're talking about the whole midtown, you must rethink your life.

Will make a great background building.

very nice

It looks good.I love the green cladding.

looks nice but by the looks of that render^^ it kinda domintes the Empire state building a bit to much...but anyway looks nice!

Well from that angle it will, but from other angles it won't look that big.


Anyways, a fairly simple design, but nice. Hope it gets approved as they really need to fill in the midtown gap. This would at least begin to help with that. Would love to see the midtown to downtown gap start to fill in as well.

NYC is back in the super supertall skyscraper game :) How tall will this one be? I like it alot because no spire.

So WTC complex...the midtown towers, and now this! :banana:

And all of that's only the start.

It's hard to believe that, after 80 years, the Empire State Building will lose its dominance.

It looks like 2WTC and 3WTC had a kid.

Indeed, it has elements of both towers :) Nice building though.

it looks great!!

How tall will this one be?

They haven't said yet, but estimating the day shot, and my own survey of the block in Google Earth, it looks to me like it will be right around 1,000 ft. tall (986' was my measurment). I count 66 floors, assuming some of those floors closer to the base really are extra tall floors.

The block is about 195 ft. across N-S, not including the existing sidewalks. I estimated the building at about 170 ft. wide at the base there, as it looks like they widened the one side walk along 34th street in the render.

The New Yorker Hotel behind it is 470 ft. tall, but its also about 1,600 ft. further away from the camera in the night render.

Also, the night rendering is a bit inaccurate as far as building placement. It should block out most of the New Yorker Hotel from that perspective (unless the map here is wrong) as that hotel is also in between 34th and 35th streets.

great proposal, can't wait to see it rising :)

but, why is that thread in the Supertall-section, have we any evidence that it'll be over 300m?

Great design!

but, why is that thread in the Supertall-section, have we any evidence that it'll be over 300m?

If my calculation turns out to be about right (~1,000ft.), that will put it at 304 meters.

wow omg. is taller than the EMpire States building..

nice of tower...with great location...like to off-set...designs resembles that of the WTC tower 3...like to look of steel

Would love to see the midtown to downtown gap start to fill in as well.

Not me. The gap between Midtown and Downtown is filled with mile after mile of magnificent, old buildings. If those are ever destroyed, NY will look like Chicago, Houston or Tokyo.

I really like the new, tree-lined avenue, Hudson Blvd., that the city is building between 10th and 11th Ave. This area will be transformed from a den of junk yards and mechanics shops to a stunning, green area.
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Not me. The gap between Midtown and Downtown is filled with mile after mile of magnificent, old buildings. If those are ever destroyed, NY will look like Chicago, Houston or Tokyo.

Don't get me wrong. Nice looking (by design, not condition) historic buildings in good (or at least rehabilitable) shape should definately be preserved. I'm just saying that really useless decrepit buildings should be replaced. I'm sure that part of Manhattan has a good number of buildings that qualify. More green spaces (small parks) would also benefit that part of town.

I was pissed when they tore down some very historic buildings here where I live. The original Ricks College Spori building, and the old hospital annex building. Both were some of the oldest buildings in town.

Don't get me wrong. Nice looking (by design, not condition) historic buildings in good (or at least rehabilitable) shape should definately be preserved. I'm just saying that really useless decrepit buildings should be replaced. I'm sure that part of Manhattan has a good number of buildings that qualify. More green spaces (small parks) would also benefit that part of town.

I was pissed when they tore down some very historic buildings here where I live. The original Ricks College Spori building, and the old hospital annex building. Both were some of the oldest buildings in town.

I agree with your comments, but there are very few decripit buildings in the gap. That area has some of the best architecture in the whole city.

Nice building, very nice located!

wow omg. is taller than the EMpire States building..

Hardly, if it's quoted at 304 metres at a rough estimate, it'll still be shorter than the ESB. The ESB will still be a good 77 metres taller.
Still, good project for NYC.

definitely would be a nice addition to the skyline, but it dominates the ESB a little too much. could just be the rendering though...

simple, but modern. i like it. its good to see new york getting a little skyscraper face lift.

When I estimated the night render, I got 1,200-1,300 ft., so it was a bit exaggerated (not to mention in the wrong spot).

awesome, wow!

pretty exciting, and I have a feeling that this isn't even going to be the hallmark of the west side once the transformation is complete

I don't think it will dominate ESB, obviously from that perspective the viewer is much nearer that building than ESB, therefore the appearance.

did the new york times tower come to mind for anyone from the second render?

Great addition!

/Mats

If my calculation turns out to be about right (~1,000ft.), that will put it at 304 meters.

Where did you come up with that figure? Sixty-six story buildings normally don't approach 1,000ft without the aid of a spire. And I don't see a spire.

Where did you come up with that figure? Sixty-six story buildings normally don't approach 1,000ft without the aid of a spire. And I don't see a spire.

psst look at the buildings 60-69fl... i only went back a page and a half but the only one that had a spire type thing was the dubai lake hotel... and they were all at 300m+

very exciting news. I can't wait for all these proposals to be approved!

Judging from the neighboring Westyards Center building, the tower must be about 220-250 meters tall.

Nice boxy filler!! NY is coming up to a new age of scrapers!! :nuts: :nuts:

I see now this building might not be a super tall...since the empire state is in the background while this one is in the fore front, it seems the ESB will still be taller.

agree Maki-chan, this one looks more like ~250m

Until we have more definitive, reliable evidence as to the height of this one, I think it belongs in the Highrises sub-forum, where I've moved it.

Yay for another supertall for NYC! I really like this rendering. Very modern looking building.

If the Penn Station project goes thru with this one, this is a totally new cluster and neighborhood we're talkng about here!!

Sweet change :-)

Where did you come up with that figure? Sixty-six story buildings normally don't approach 1,000ft without the aid of a spire. And I don't see a spire.


Modern office buildings in NYC tend to be 14 feet, floor to floor (if not more). There's also several double height floors. 66 floors at 14 feet each is 962 ft., and that's not including the double height of some floors, nor is it counting the roof, which goes beyond the top floor by 70 or so feet.

So quite frankly, if it does have 66 floors, and they are at the 14 foot standard, this building will be over 1,000 feet. That means it does belong in the Supertall section.

They haven't said yet, but estimating the day shot, and my own survey of the block in Google Earth, it looks to me like it will be right around 1,000 ft. tall (986' was my measurment). I count 66 floors, assuming some of those floors closer to the base really are extra tall floors.

The block is about 195 ft. across N-S, not including the existing sidewalks. I estimated the building at about 170 ft. wide at the base there, as it looks like they widened the one side walk along 34th street in the render.

The New Yorker Hotel behind it is 470 ft. tall, but its also about 1,600 ft. further away from the camera in the night render.

Also, the night rendering is a bit inaccurate as far as building placement. It should block out most of the New Yorker Hotel from that perspective (unless the map here is wrong) as that hotel is also in between 34th and 35th streets.


Well at 986', it would be almost 200' taller than 1 Penn plaza, and 250'+ shorter than Empire state, and i also agree that it needs no spire, i also like the fact that it rivals the ESB but does not dominate it. I would very much like to see this one go up in its present form.

I really like this building, I just hope it's not too tall, because then it will draw attention away from Empire State! and I don't think any building in midtown should be taller or more attention-grabbing than Empire State.

THis thread doesn't belong to this fub-forum.. :sleepy:

I'm 100% sure this baby is at least 900'.

Grade A NYC architecture. :cheers:

It looks like 2WTC and 3WTC had a kid.


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to true!!

I hope it becomes a supertall and becomes passed. there are so many specualtions of supertalls on the westside taller then FT.

Big fan of this design. don't care if its 1000 ft, as long as it's over 800.

Keep in mind that this baby has about as much office space as 1WTC.

This building looks sleek and stunning. I like it.

I think another massive tower is under design near this one. There was a small massing of it. It looked like it was well over 1,000 feet tall and had 3 or 4 setbacks. NY seems to be the king of speculative supertalls. Foster and Childs get around.

Would that be the Foster/Childs project at MSG that was just canned?

Would that be the Foster/Childs project at MSG that was just canned?

It was not canned nor was it one i believe hes talking about. I am sure there are other tall proposals in the area soon to be unveiled.

http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/content_display/regions/northeast/new-york/e3i92f7e9c5878a1a8becba853eb4335c33

Sherwood Announces Hudson Yards Plans

Oct 9, 2007
Adam Perrotta, News Writer

Sherwood Equities has revealed development plans for two parcels of land within the much-talked-about Hudson Yards section of Manhattan.

The firm will build a multi-family property on one of the sites--on 10th Ave. between 35th and 36th Streets. The project will contain 200 rental apartments housed in a 35-story tower.

The other parcel, located on the west side of 10th Ave. between 34th and 35th Streets, will house either a 2,500-room hotel or a 2.5 million-square-foot office complex, complete with parking facilities.

The Hudson Yards, a train yard located on Manhattan's Far West Side, have been the object of much speculation recently, given the rapid expansion of development throughout the borough as the real estate market continues to hum along there. As one of the few remaining large tracts available for new projects, the area is seen as one of the most valuable and noteworthy sites in the city.

The area will no doubt further benefit from the upgrading of nearby Penn Station, the Farley Post Office and Madison Square Garden, as well as the extension of the number 7 subway line into the area. In 2005, the city rezoned the area, allowing for expanded commercial development.

"Hudson Yards is the hottest development area in New York City," noted Sherwood CEO Jeffrey Katz, in a release today. Katz's firm has owned each of the parcels for more than 15 years. "Even back then, we believed that the Hudson Yards had great potential," he said. "It's exciting to finally proceed with the development of these properties, knowing that whatever paths we take, we can expect textbook cases of high return on investment."

Katz said that both the hotel and the office options for the 34th St. site had distinct advantages. He noted that the hotel would benefit from the large number of rooms it could contain, as well as its proximity to the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center. An office, meanwhile, could take advantage of from the overall development of the area and the increasing number of companies that would likely want to establish a footprint in the area.

Indeed, just yesterday, Conde Nast Publications announced its intention to move at least a portion of its offices to the Hudson Yards sometime in the future.

Sherwood currently owns several Manhattan properties, including 1 and 2 Times Square, 1600 Broadway, The Coronado and The Saratoga.

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Location in relation to other developments:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86781190/original.jpg

nice layout of the development, its going to start to get crazy over there.

Out of every tower, I want this one done the most.

any news on this one? has it been approved? or did we loose it in the maze of burocracy?

lol, the last news are from october 9th...and the news tell that it just has been announced. it is not approved until now of course ^^

http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/content_display/regions/northeast/new-york/e3i92f7e9c5878a1a8becba853eb4335c33
Location in relation to other developments:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/86781190/original.jpg

I never took time to study this until now. It will all be amazing.

This building should be in the SUPERTALL THREAD people. It may be 400 meters tall and certainly is over 300 meters.

^ I agree. And if it isn't a supertall, it's only a few feet away from being one.


Edit: Yes, after seeing the rendering of that reisdential tower that's over 1,000 feet tall in the same place and comparing it to this, this almost has to be a supertall.

I'm sure that it's safe to move this thread to the supertall section.


Over 305m or 1,000 feet tall (no exact height yet):
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Unknown height:
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I counted over 65 floors in both towers. They both have 65 to about 70 floors depending on which renderings you look at.

Since we know what the residential tower is over 1,000 feet tall and that residential towers have floors that are spaced together closer than office towers, it's safe to assume that the Sherwood Tower is over 1,000 feet tall too because it's all office.

Don't forget that this is a 2.5 million square foot office skyscraper in NY. This is almost certainly a supertall. In fact, I'd bet money that it is. If you took the Freedom Tower and and removed all of the non-office floors, the base, and the spire, it would still be over 1,000 feet tall.

Yes, lets just get on with it and BUILD IT.....................

Why isn't this thread in the supertall section?

^^ one could argue to wait until supertall height has been confirmed. :)

not bad, but looks a little dull and uncreative, and also will block the Empire State Building from the west. Not bad tho

the ESB is massive I can see it from Brownville all the way in brooklyn. I doubt if this building going to block it's view.

I wonder how it would look like if the ESB was sorrounded by skyscrapers. It's so allone in this area.