I put this thread here because I'm a Seattleite and this is what I saw... ;)

San Francisco - Summer 2007
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What do you think? :)

As a native Seattleite, I will admit that SF is a prettier city. Your shots prove it. However, on a clear day, Seattle competes!

Great job! :okay:

Beautful shots...SF is great!

San Francisco (like Vancouver or Chicago or Boston or Manhattan) seems more intensely urban than Seattle. To me, there are parts of Seattle that seem like corresponding parts of San Francisco, for instnace Belltown, Pioneer Square, Lower Queen Anne,, Capital Hill and downtown Fremont, Ballard, and Wallingford.

However, whereas most of the neighborhoods of San Francisco retain a pretty urban feel, with apartment blocks and densely packed retail, most of the Seattle neighborhoods, e.g., non-downtown Fremont, Ballard and Wallingford, are made up mostly of single-family dwellings and feel -- well not exactly suburban, but not really urban either.

I love Sf, I would move there given the opportunity......Seattle is SF's second coming...

there are a few neighborhoods that correspond very welll with Sf, capitol hill sticks out to me the most, it reminds me of nob hill in several ways....

Seattle is a scaled down version of SF, just like Portland is a scaled down version of Seattle....

San Fransisco is a great city but I don't want Seattle to "copycat" San Fransisco with urban setting or cityscape at all. Every city should have its own character period. Seattle should have its own urban setting style. In real life, Seattle is getting there, thanks to condo booms. :)

I was there a couple of weeks ago for a conference and many things struck me, but two stood out... S.F was in the most clean and beautiful condition I had ever scene it in, and that even with it's immense wealth and prosperity, on the whole, Seattle seems more prosperous. The trickle down effect has been much greater here. You see a lot more of the urban poor and lower working classes in S.F. I talked about it with some friends when I got home, and we came to the conclusion that it's the only city on the Left Coast that compares with NYC, where you see the same thing. But I also thinks that helps to make a city vibrant in a way and gives more layers. Seattle is also a very, very white place in comparison. The new de Young Museum is great (especially the "Tree House"), as is the renovated Ferry Building and the Embarcadaro. And even though there is a lot of building going on there, our building boom seems a lot bigger.

As a non-native Seattleite who moved here from San Francisco, I must say that after 8 years in SF, I'm very 'over' San Francisco as a place to live. I think it is a great American city, but the grayness of San Francisco streetscapes surpasses the grayness of Seattle skies. There is little 'green relief' in the city beyond Golden Gate Park, and claustrophobia set in after a couple of years. SF has lost it's bohemian factor because it's become a city that is so expensive that it's difficult for artists and creatives to live and thrive there.There seems to be hyper/intense/aggressive energy that has evolved I think because people are literally 'running' just to keep up. It wasn't always that way. After a mugging, a neighbor's rape, having my windshield smashed, and another neighbor's unsolved murder, constant panhandeling, impossible parking, filthy streets, and cold summers, I found my very happy urban alternative in Seattle. As a tourist I think SF is great. As a resident, unless you're really wealthy, it's not so romantic, and can really wear you down.

While SF is certainly an awesome city, I don't think Seattle should try to replicate SF. SF has a lot of issues (homelessness, unaffordability, etc.). I'm not saying Seattle doesn't have issues, as Seattle is somewhat homeless friendly and is becoming higher priced, and Seattle lacks a decent transit system. But Seattle needs to find it's own identity, and already has a great start. It's kind of like how in Charlotte we are trying to find our own identity and prevent ourselves from becoming the next Atlanta. As a non-biased outsider, I think I prefer Seattle to SF. Without looking at statistics, my perception is that Seattle has a lower crime rate, is less expensive, and is cleaner. Seattle has some cool parks (SF does too) and IMHO I think Seattle is geographically more stunning, with Mt. Rainier in the vicinity. Both cities are pretty cool, but I see myself living in Seattle before living in SF.

I agree that SF is a very gray city. The lack of greenery would drive me batty. Unless you are super wealthy,SF offers less view alternatives than the Seattle area. Only The North Shore or Twin Peaks area can compete with downtown, Magnolia, West Seattle, QA, Capitol Hill, Laurelhurst, Leshi, etc.

Do not forget that SF got really bad smog. Seattle air quality is much better than compared to SF air quality. Many times I go to SF, the sky was brown and black if you look across bay area. If you stand there and look up, its very light blue sky. It is not good. :( Seattle's sky always clean (thanks to the rainy weather!) but it can be little smoggy at summer time. It is not bad as SF or Los Angeles.

San Francisco (like Vancouver or Chicago or Boston or Manhattan) seems more intensely urban than Seattle. To me, there are parts of Seattle that seem like corresponding parts of San Francisco, for instnace Belltown, Pioneer Square, Lower Queen Anne,, Capital Hill and downtown Fremont, Ballard, and Wallingford.

However, whereas most of the neighborhoods of San Francisco retain a pretty urban feel, with apartment blocks and densely packed retail, most of the Seattle neighborhoods, e.g., non-downtown Fremont, Ballard and Wallingford, are made up mostly of single-family dwellings and feel -- well not exactly suburban, but not really urban either.




I disagree.

Compactness? Single-family houses? I've lived in both Seattle and Vancouver - Chinatown and First Hill in Seattle, and Mount Pleasant, South Cambie, and Arbutus Ridge in Vancouver. There are some very, VERY suburban parts of Vancouver--especially Arbutus Ridge (where I live), Shaughnessey, Dunbar, and Kerrisdale, all in the west side. There are almost no apartment buildings in this entire area. There are as many skunks, raccoons, and coyotes roaming about as there are people. Retail ISN'T within walking distance. It's at least a 20-minute walk away. It reminds me a little bit of Bellevue. This area is about as large as all North Seattle. Visit some time. On the other hand, almost ALL Seattle neighbourhoods have a substantial array of apartment buildings, and almost all these are within walking distance of a shopping street, such as Queen Anne Avenue, Pine Street, University Avenue, NE 45th, NW Market, 15th Ave E...need I go on? In fact, each Seattle neighbourhood is relatively compact and centred around one or two practical shopping streets that were established late in the 19th century or early in the 20th. That is one of the conveniences I appreciated about the city. I could live anywhere and walk to buy groceries. And it is chiefly the crowns of hills that have single-family houses. And Manhattan? I've visited quite a few times. It's just a BIGGER CITY. New York has 8 million people. Seattle has 600,000.

After a mugging, a neighbor's rape, having my windshield smashed, and another neighbor's unsolved murder, constant panhandeling, impossible parking, filthy streets, and cold summers, I found my very happy urban alternative in Seattle. As a tourist I think SF is great. As a resident, unless you're really wealthy, it's not so romantic, and can really wear you down.

That would do it for anyone, I think. I have to agree with you on the homeless and panhandling in SF. It was very annoying and seems to have gotten worse every year I go!

SF is nice, but not for me. :) I've been there many times when living in California while growing up.

San Francisco is my absolute favorite north american city. I love it. I'm sort of thinking about moving there within the next 12 months. Great pics RM.

San Francisco is my absolute favorite north american city. I love it. I'm sort of thinking about moving there within the next 12 months. Great pics RM.

What's wrong with Seattle? :(

^^Maybe he want to make bigger profits with real estate in San Francisco, I guess. I remember he mentioned long time ago that he's a real estate person.

^^Maybe he want to make bigger profits with real estate in San Francisco, I guess. I remember he mentioned long time ago that he's a real estate person.

Believe it or not, Seattle ranked as number one real estate market in the nation. San Francisco's real estate market isn't doing well compared to Seattle's real estate market.

Believe it or not, Seattle ranked as number one real estate market in the nation. San Francisco's real estate market isn't doing well compared to Seattle's real estate market.

i believe it.