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nebunul

July 9th, 2007, 12:54 PM

Latest (found) news ...

Contract to be signed by end of June 2007 (so it should have been signed already) and construction to start in may-june 2008

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Oportunitati de investitii in Bucuresti
Targul imobiliar international - Real Vienna, 23 mai

Prima prezentare a Bucurestiului la targul imobiliar international Real Vienna a avut loc astazi, 23 mai, timp de o ora, sub titlul "Romania: bun venit in UE! Oportunitati de investitii in Bucuresti".

Principala tema a discutiilor a fost necesitatea asigurarii unui echilibru intre proiectele publice de dezvoltare a orasului si cele private.
Primaria Municipiului Bucuresti a fost reprezentata la acest panel de discutii de Viceprimarul General Razvan Murgeanu, alaturi de care au participat partenerii municipalitatii la acest targ, care au expus impreuna in standul Orasului Bucuresti: Baneasa Developments, Real Time, River Invest si Trigranit.
Razvan Murgeanu a vorbit despre proiectul Primariei Capitalei privind refacerea retelei de apa si canal in sectoarele 1 si 6, proiect in derulare, in valoare de 130 mil. dolari, finantat prin Banca Mondiala si care urmeaza sa se finalizeze peste un an si jumatate, precum si despre intentia de a extinde acest proiect in celelalte patru sectoare: "Pentru urmatorii ani avem proiecte care depasesc 1,5 mld. euro in domeniul infrastructurii - asta insemnand utilitati publice, iluminat public, dar si penetratii si pasaje rutiere sau transport public. Primaria Municipiului Bucuresti trebuie sa mearga in acelasi ritm cu investitorii, din punctul de vedere al dezvoltarii orasului."

In continuare, au fost detaliate proiectele dezvoltatorilor imobiliari romani:
Proiectul Baneasa, din nordul Bucurestiului presupune construirea pe o suprafata de 221 ha a unei zone rezidentiale, a unui parc de afaceri si a unei zone comerciale, fiind unul din cele mai mari de acest gen din Europa. Valoarea investitiei se ridica la peste 1,2 mld. euro.
"Bucurestiul este acum recunoscut ca fiind intr-adevar o capitala europeana. In ceea ce priveste proiectul Baneasa, am participat pentru prima data impreuna cu municipalitatea la Real Vienna, reusind sa demonstram in acest fel ca nu numai dezvoltatorii, ci si orasul Bucuresti este acum pregatit sa raspunda tuturor standardelor europene din domeniul imobiliar" considera Michael Lloyd, CEO Baneasa Developments.

Proiectul Sema Parc, cel mai mare proiect de reconversie a unei platforme industriale este dezvoltat pe 43 ha, pe trei directii: parc de afaceri, zona comerciala si zona rezidentiala. Valoarea investitiei se ridica la peste 800 mil. euro, iar termenul de finalizare este 2015. "Reconversia platformelor fost industriale reprezinta un mare castig pentru Bucuresti, atat prin oferta de spatii cu functionalitate diferita, cat mai ales prin revitalizarea urbana, in termeni de mediu, arhitectura si comunitate" a declarat Larisa Dinu, Director de Marketing si Comunicare al River Invest, dezvoltatorul general al proiectului.

Proiectul Esplanada vizeaza regenerarea urbana, in parteneriat public-privat, a zonei din imediata apropiere a Pietei Unirii, prin construirea unui centru multifunctional care va contine cca 800.000 de mp construiti, incluzand cladiri cu functiuni culturale, comerciale si de birouri. Dupa 49 de ani de la inceperea lucrarilor, proiectul urmeaza sa intre in patrimoniul Primariei Capitalei.
"Daca semnam parteneriatul public-privat cu Ministerul Transporturilor la sfarsitul lunii iunie, asa cum este programat, speram ca in mai-iunie 2008 sa putem demara lucrarile" a apreciat Dan Ghibernea, Country Manager TriGranit Development Romania.

Ion Catutoiu, director general al companiei de consultanta imobiliara RealTime, a prezentat piata imobiliara din Bucuresti si dinamica acesteia, estimand o crestere a preturilor in urmatorii 3 ani cu 50%. "Raportul dintre cerere si oferta nu se va echilibra pe termen scurt, deficitul actual de oferte pentru proiectele rezidentiale, accentuandu-se si ca urmare a dorintei cetatenilor romani care muncesc peste hotare de a avea o proprietate in tara."

Audienta a maifestat un real interes fata de proiectele prezentate. Intrebarile publicului s-au referit in principal la evolutia infrastructurii orasului, la modul in care noile proiecte vor asigura functiuni sociale - gradinite, scoli, spitale si la viitoarea Zona Metropolitana Bucuresti.

pescarush

July 9th, 2007, 02:24 PM

...so we have to wait another year...
it s not so easy to make projects for skyscrapers. though, they had some years to plan Esplanada...

nebunul

July 9th, 2007, 03:02 PM

^^ In UK takes about 5 years to get one approved ...

nebunul

July 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM

Latest (found) news ...

Contract to be signed by end of June 2007 (so it should have been signed already) and construction to start in may-june 2008

link - http://www1.pmb.ro/pmb/primar/cpresa/2007/comunicate/com_2007-05-23_c.htm

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^^ and a picture from Real Vienna, 23 May 2007 where the project was presented to potential investors

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/715/01oo3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Public utility title + land transfer - emergengy ordinance signed by the PM
http://gatekeeper.mt.ro/transparenta/2007/OUG%20ESPLANADA.pdf

+ money allocated for judicial side/legal advisers etc

http://www.cdep.ro/pls/legis/legis_pck.htp_act_text?idt=66734

nebunul

July 9th, 2007, 05:18 PM

Old News ... :nuts:

Baneasa, RealTime, River Invest si TriGranit isi dau mana pentru Bucuresti

Baneasa, River Invest si TriGranit, trei dintre cei mai puternici dezvoltatori imobiliari din Romania, alaturi de compania de consultanta imobiliara RealTime isi unesc fortele pentru a sprijini Municipalitatea in prezentarea Bucurestiului la targul imobiliar dedicat tarilor din spatiu CEE - Real Vienna, 23-25 Mai 2007.

“Ne bucura nespus bunavointa companiilor participante” a spus Razvan Murgeanu, Vice-primar al Bucurestiului. “Bucurestiul se afirma cu ocazia acestui eveniment international ca un oras care creste odata cu proiectele sale si care urmeaza valorilor europene ale momentului” a adaugat el. Cei trei dezvoltatori vor prezenta vizitatorilor targului proiectele Baneasa, Sema Parc si Esplanada, cele mai mari si reprezentative dezvoltari imobiliare din Bucuresti. De asemenea, compania imobiliara RealTime va oferi o perspectiva generala asupra sectorului imobiliar romanesc.
“Participarea in cadrul targului imobiliar Real Vienna este o dovada a implicarii responsabile a proiectului Baneasa, alaturi de celelalte mari companii imobiliare, in dezvoltarea durabila a Bucurestiului”, a afirmat Michael Lloyd, reprezentant al actionarilor din cadrul Proiectului Baneasa.
“Bucurestiul s-a asezat si isi consolideaza pozitia de lider al pietei imobiliare europene, cu o rata de crestere de invidiat in contextul UE. Prezentarea pietei imobiliare din Romania si, implicit, din Bucuresti este pentru noi un rol important pe care ni l-am asumat si prin deschiderea, nu de multa vreme, a primelor birouri romanesti RealTime in afara granitelor tarii: la Madrid si Barcelona ”, a declarat Ion Catutoiu, general manager RealTime. “Sa reprezentam capitala Romaniei in cadrul acestui eveniment international intr-o formula atat de originala, reprezinta pentru noi o reconfirmare a faptului ca, dincolo de caracterul competitiv al prezentei noastre pe piata, noi, dezvoltatorii impartasim valori comune profund pozitive in ceea ce priveste viitorul Bucurestiului”, subliniaza Larisa Dinu, Marketing & Communication Marketing, River Invest.
“Mesajul nostru este ca imaginea orasului trebuie sa primeze intereselor competitionale si speram ca participarea la Real Vienna in aceasta formula, poate surprinzatoare, va fi un exemplu si pentru altii,” a adaugat Dan Ghibernea, Country Manager TriGranit Development Romania.
Targul Real Vienna, aflat in acest an la cea de-a doua editie, va aduna in capitala Austriei cele mai importante companii din domeniul imobiliar din centrul si estul Europei. Prezent pentru prima oara la un eveniment international imobiliar, Bucurestiul este cu aceasta ocazie nominalizat de organizatorii vienezi ca fiind unul dintre oaspetii de excelenta. Standul Bucurestiului va ocupa o suprafata de 120 m2 si va fi amplasat intr-un punct de maxim trafic al targului. Acolo, reprezentantii companiilor si ai municipalitatii vor oferi informatii despre proiectele lor, precum si despre piata imobiliara Bucuresteana in general.

Proiectul Baneasa este unul dintre cele mai mari proiecte de dezvoltare urbana integrata din Europa. Cu peste 1.6 milioane de m2 de construiti, intinzandu-se pe 221 de hectare, Baneasa reprezinta peste 1% din suprafata actuala a Bucurestiului. Baneasa va cuprinde o zona rezidentiala deschisa si spatioasa, un parc de afaceri modern si cea mai intinsa zona comerciala din sud-estul Europei. Reprezentand o investitie totala de peste 1.2 miliarde de euro, Baneasa va fi o zona deschisa tuturor, oferind solutii concrete pentru comunitatea locala si nu numai.

RealTime este prima companie romaneasca imobiliara care in acest an a deschis reprezentante in afara granitelor tarii: la Madrid si Barcelona. Pana la sfarsitul anului, vor fi deschise birouri RealTime si la Dublin, Atena, Lisabona si TelAviv. Infiintata in 2003, cu o echipă tânară şi dinamică de profesionişti, compania RealTime ocupă un important segment de piaţă, prin oferte rezidenţiale (apartamente şi proiecte de locuinţă, case şi vile), corporate (sedii de birouri şi spatii comerciale), terenuri şi spatii industriale.

River Invest este dezvoltatorul general al proiectului Sema Parc, cel mai mare proiect de reconversie a unei suprafete post-industriale din Bucuresti. Sema Parc este unul dintre cele mai reprezentative proiecte de dezvoltare urbana integrata ale momentului cuprinzand peste 42 hectare si reprezentand peste 1 milion mp construiti. Situat in zona de vest a Bucurestiului, pe malul drept al Dambovitei Sema Parc acopera 3 directii complementare de dezvoltare: un parc de afaceri, o zona comerciala si o zona rezidentiala.

TriGranit Development Romania este parte a holdingului multinational TriGranit, dezvoltator imobiliar activ pe 12 piete din centrul si estul Europei. Corporatia are un portofoliu de proiecte livrate si in curs de dezvoltare de peste 10 miliarde de euro. In Romania, compania pregateste in parteneriat public privat cu Primaria Municipiului Bucuresti si Guvernul Romaniei proiectul Esplanada City Center, ce va implica o investitie de peste 1,2 miliarde de euro.

www.rez.ro

Sbz2ifc

July 9th, 2007, 08:04 PM

^^ That's not news... Real Vienna was in May... it says so in the article :nuts:

giovani kun

July 9th, 2007, 08:28 PM

I didn't know that this project is right where I work :ohno: I thought that it was in another place :nuts:

nebunul

July 9th, 2007, 08:40 PM

^^ Keep an eye on it then ...:cheers:

giovani kun

July 9th, 2007, 09:03 PM

^^ we are evacuting the office building that is right in front of the future construction site in two months :cry:

Sbz2ifc

July 9th, 2007, 09:11 PM

^^ giovani, where did you think it was?? :lol:

pescarush

July 9th, 2007, 09:19 PM

:lol: :nuts:

BG_PATRIOT

July 10th, 2007, 02:05 AM

Like I have said previously, by far the best project on the Balkans for now :applause:, hope everything goes as planned and construction starts ASAP:okay:. If I remember well, I read somewhere that the Romanian Church wanted this lot of land to build a massive cathedral as a compensation for the churches that were destroyed during communism?Is this true?Because if it is, that would be really, really a big loss of money, land and energy...:bash:

Sbz2ifc

July 10th, 2007, 02:16 AM

They were planning to build the cathedral here a long time ago.

Now they want to build it right behing Casa Poporului (Parliament Palace), where there's a similar big empty land, so... it's pretty much gonna be a waste there as well. IMO even a park would be better there... anything would be better there, but there was an international competition 10 years ago that called for a master plan that includes skyscrapers there, and even though nothing happened after they picked a winner, let's hope that this will happen there instead of a big tasteless cathedral (there are some renders in the Bucharest thread).

giovani kun

July 10th, 2007, 06:23 AM

^^ well as I understand from before..the project needed some demolition...but the slot where the diagram was pointing and which is located in front of my office building is empty well not quite they do need to wipe the comunist concrete fingerprint ...but Apolodor or any other can do a great job :)

nebunul

July 11th, 2007, 01:50 PM

:okay: :bowtie:

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4765/04bi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

July 11th, 2007, 11:47 PM

nebunul

July 12th, 2007, 11:01 AM

Just to add this extra info here ...:)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7616/esplanadtf21ow4.png (http://imageshack.us)

^^ National Library to have a new look ... the one crossed with red above

Existing (2007)
http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/3238/1219954399061244061S600x600Q85.jpg (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1219954399061244061sgzQDR)

Proposed/Aproved (2010)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3272/32833126nu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5609/87245470iz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Cost 100 mil Euro

nebunul

July 17th, 2007, 04:45 PM

edit

nebunul

July 17th, 2007, 04:47 PM

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/945/01wc5.jpg
^^ could be 70 floors; the block of flats (white ones) are approx 10-11 floors

To whom doesn't know about Brancusi and the "Endless Column" that inspired the architects that designed one of the Esplanada towers ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Brancusi

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2263/28106840ud4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Brancusi's "Endless Column" - Targu-Jiu, Romania

"Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave"

nebunul

July 18th, 2007, 12:35 AM

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7375/29081479uj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Old news ... new for some :nuts:

Trigranit Romania Director Janos Pal Halasz explains in an exclusive interview for Bucharest Daily News the plans for the Esplanada project, the largest real estate investment in Romania, estimated at 1.2 billion euros.

This venture is not Trigranit's only project in Romania, as one of the company's subsidiary's, Polus, is building a commercial and entertainment center in Cluj and is considering the possibility of developing in other cities as well. The Esplanada project has encountered problems, however, as the land needs to be bought by Bucharest City Hall from current owners. Bucharest Mayor Adriean Videanu announced expropriation as a way to resolve the problem. Halasz considers such a solution a last resort but believes it would be in the interest of the inhabitants of the city. The Esplanada project will also be a cultural center and it is the intention of Trigranit to bring a Guggenheim museum to Bucharest.

According to Halasz, The Esplanada project was the main attraction of the CEPIF real estate fair in Warsaw and is a favorite to win significant real estate prizes in the future. Trigranit Development Corporation also won the FIABCI Excellence Prize in 2006 for the Palace of the Arts in the Millenium Urban Center in Budapest. The Palace of Arts was achieved through a public-private partnership, in which a cooperation is formed between the business sector and the state, creating a precedent for such partnerships in the region. The solution for the Esplanada project is also a public-private partnership. In 2006, the Palace of Arts is set to host more than 500 events and the number of its visitors is expected to reach nearly one million. Mr. Halasz believes the cultural center hosted in Esplanada will match and surpass the standards set by the Budapest Palace of Arts.

Mr. Halasz, Trigranit has won the FIABCI award for the Palace of Arts in the Budapest Millenium City Center and two awards at CEPIF this year. How do you see Romania from a real estate investment perspective compared to neighboring countries after the CEPIF experience?

Compared to Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary, Romania is the number one investment opportunity. In what way? Real estate investment can be conjunctural or durable. Surely all Central and Eastern European countries have seen opportunities, both in terms of location or type of investment - malls, modern residential areas, office buildings - and in terms of real estate profit. Initially, emerging markets see a "wild west" period compared to Western Europe. In the second stage, the return on investment goes down to five to seven percent, which is still double that of Western countries. In this second stage the market becomes attractive for investors less interested in speculation.

How was the Esplanada project seen at CEPIF?

Out of all the Trigranit projects displayed, Esplanada received the most attention. It was a great success in the press, in Poland and Western Europe alike. This was no surprise as Warsaw is also adopting a modern approach to urban development.

Real estate opportunities in Romania are a very hot subject but when it comes to particulars, opportunities seem to be located only in Bucharest. Why are investors afraid of large real estate projects in other cities?

There are large differences between Bucharest and the rest of the country. But we are already seeing development in Timisoara, Constanta, to my joy in Cluj, and, hopefully, in Brasov. Cities less courted by investors such as Iasi, Bacau, Satu Mare, Baia Mare will become interesting for companies that plan and complete serious developments. The projects in these cities will not be of the same magnitude as projects in Bucharest. I do not think a project like Esplanada could be developed in Iasi. But in ten years' time, it might be viable, as Iasi will remain the eastern gate of the European Union for a long time.

How do you see Trigranit's involvment with development in these cities?

Trigranit is in no way a real estate speculator. It simply has other principles. It tries to keep up with the criteria of the excellence awards it receives, it also tries to be a good business and have a positive social impact. Trigranit has more in mind than simply making a profit: its projects have a considerable social impact. For example, the Esplanada project will create 25,000 jobs overall. Our shareholders would not be interested in a strictly-for-profit project. In 1997, the first contract was signed in Romania with the Polus company, which, due to its shareholder structure, might be considered a part of the greater Trigranit Group. It is such a pity the project was delayed for so long, but the first stone will be placed soon and the commercial center will be on the fasttrack to completion. After Cluj, the interest of Trigranit moved toward Bucharest, but here prices are very high and it is no secret that we are looking at opportunities in other cities, Constanta being next. The Polus Group has a project for a commercial center there. We are also exploring the real estate markets in Brasov, Craiova and Pitesti and some of us have recommended the city of Iasi to shareholders. I lived many years in a neighborhood in Budapest nearby the site of the new Palace of Culture. The site, along the Danube, was empty and the people of Budapest called it "the dog racer," as people took their pets there. It is a surprise for the people of Budapest to see the revival of an area everybody thought was dead. Trigranit built there the Palace of Culture, the National Theater, just finished a residential and office building project, and has other plans. So that site became, from a place nobody cared about, one of the new centers of the city. This is the kind of impact we are interested in at Trigranit. And this is the kind of success story we could see in the Esplanada project.

The site for the Esplanada project was part of the communist urbanization plan, but was not completed after the Revolution. Only recently have authorities decided to support a real estate project there but have run into the problem of land ownership, as there are dozens of owners and some have made retrocession claims. City Hall intends to expropriate this land. How does Trigranit see the solution to the land ownership problem?

City Hall will resort to expropriation as a final solution in case it cannot reach an agreement with owners. City Hall will not give up the project. In this respect, I have two surprises: from the moment when the idea came up and the bidding took place, after 15 years of total lack of interest owners surged. It is a very interesting phenomenon and it can be easily measured looking at the starting date from which owners and interests have appeared. I wonder whether it is in the interest of the people of Bucharest to have many "For sale" signs on the empty land or for something to be built on that site. I am thinking of 2.6 million people and not of the, let's say, 100 owners. I am saying this not only as Trigranit is involved in the project but because I have lived both in Bucharest and Budapest and I can say the "dog racer" in Budapest resembles the empty site for the Esplanada project. That plot can become an elite area, a different type of neighborhood.

When do you expect the problem of expropriations to be solved, taking into account that Mayor Videanu announced June this year as the deadline for the land problems to be solved. When will construction works actually begin?

We are hoping City Hall will reach an agreement with the landowners. If I was one of the owners, I would wish to solve my problem quickly or I could just delay the whole project and cling on to some unreal ideas on the price of land and live with hopes for a barren land. Because construction authorizations will no longer be granted. So we hope this situation is solved quickly. From that point on the evolution of the project is predictible. Works could begin in five months after the urban zoning plans are finished and the final projects for Esplanada are completed - and I want to reassure Romanian architects that they will be included in the project in some way. However, the project was discussed with specialists and architects in November last year after it had been made public. So channels were opened for architects to express their opinion. I myself have a personal opinion. I re-read about the controversy stirred when the Eiffel Tower was built. Many public figures, artists and writers were revolted by the project and protested. Many of the protests I read in the Romanian press about Esplanada resemble the ones which had been directed at the Eiffel Tower. Now people instantly think of the Eiffel Tower when they think of Paris.

Many Romanian architects have criticized the Esplanada project from many points of view. How would you reply to this criticism?

I will not run from architects. But they have seen only an idea for the project, not the final blueprint. Everwhere Trigranit has made investments it has involved the inhabitants of the city, asked for their opinions and even modified the project (based on these opinions).
Moreover, the fact the Esplanada cultural center could become a more modern version of the Palace of Culture in Budapest, which won the FIABCI Excellence Price, plus (it could house) the Guggenheim museum, which is said to have placed Bilbao on the map, make the project very attractive indeed.

So there is a firm possibility that Bucharest will have a Guggenheim Museum?

H.O. Rotschild expressed his clear intent to bring the museum to Bucharest. Keep in mind our ojectives refer to barren land, and not a built-up site. What we have seen was a concrete surface covered by barren land. And we do not exclude the possibility to include the existing works on the National Library in the Esplanada project or maybe in a different project.

Will the works on the National Library begin after the Esplanada project ?

The intention of the Ministry of Culture to include the construction of the National Library in the project is firm. And this idea would be feasible. But here the investor must receive more positive signals than negative ones but because we need to make clear one thing, and I am referring to Trigranit. Offers and opportunities in Russia have begun to appear, especially in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. These are not places to neglect.

Do you believe the infrastructure of Bucharest is ready for such a project? How will the Esplanada project affect traffic?

This is a very disputed project. I have heard people say: "God, think of the traffic on Unirii Boulevard. What will happen when this Esplanada mammoth will appear?" Traffic jams happen without the Esplanada project but in all the great cities of the world underground traffic is a top priority. No traditional city can change so as to adapt to new large constructions. So the development of the subway is a possible solution to the traffic problem. But overpasses can solve many of the problems and it has not been excluded that Trigranit company would take part in the construction of such solutions, but we are not aware of such plans from City Hall at the moment. Traffic would remain a problem even if Esplanada were not built. As the Esplanada project is a public-private partnership we will discuss infrastructure problems with Romanian authorities. If the project goes well and we are asked to take part in the solving of the infrastructure problems, we will accept.

What additional foreign investments will Esplanada trigger?

Trigranit already has a "court" of investors, to speak in aristocratic terms, which follow Trigranit where it opens commercial and office space centers. Many Trigranit clients from other countries, if they have not considered coming to Romania until now, will come for the Esplanada project. The Guggenheim museum and the Palace of Arts will attract many tourists. Moreover, besides the commercial companies, investment funds and banks will invest or just open branches. The Rotschild name means a lot and is a symbol of financial power.

Esplanada will also have a cultural center. How is it different from the Palace of Arts in Budapest?
The Esplanada cultural center will be more modern, as it was designed later. It will have at least the endowments of the Budapest Palace of Arts. We have been asked why the concert hall is not larger. We have designed the hall taking into account the acoustic requirements. It will have the same facilities, it will have a concert hall, theaters, a dance hall and museums. What is original compared to other Trigranit projects is the Guggenheim museum. In addition to these, Esplanada will probably have a conference center and it will surely have entertainment facilities as part of the commercial center.

(Source: Bucharest Daily News)

nebunul

July 19th, 2007, 11:18 AM

Old render ...

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5323/42873567eh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

July 21st, 2007, 10:42 PM

"Red Bull ROmaniacs" ... on future Esplanada site :banana:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9981/95534918xj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6011/58978781if4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9918/77801283fx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

MKhB196LRyQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKhB196LRyQ

SpastiK

August 1st, 2007, 07:42 PM

Amazing project!!!!! :eek:

Congratulations! :cheers:

giovani kun

August 1st, 2007, 10:20 PM

yeah let's hope it'll start soon :)

VelesHomais

August 2nd, 2007, 12:33 AM

It's really a high quality, top notch project, one can only be jealous :)

August 2nd, 2007, 12:30 PM

Excellent project:yes:
Congratulations:applause:

3tmk

August 4th, 2007, 04:51 AM

lol, perhaps they should have made a deal with Red Bull, get people to destruct the structures for free, that way the company gets the land cleared up for free, while the people get to vandalize as much property as they can :D

nebunul

August 11th, 2007, 12:26 PM

Old new s ... March 2007
www.propertyeu.info

"In the Romanian capital the sky is the limit.

As a result, the height of the towers planned for Esplanada is not yet known, even though the project is scheduled to get under way this year. Toader: 'We will start with the so-called Forum and in the meantime we will plan the towers. The Forum will form the heart of the complex. It looks like a gigantic circus tent without walls, a huge construction of steel and glass resting on a single mast. Esplanada will be a symbol of prosperity. We expect to finish it in 2014."

^^ Do not think so ... but 2015 is good enough for me :cheers:

also ...

Trigranit seem to have improved their website lately - www.trigranit.com ;and guess what hey they got on first page ?!? :nuts: ;)

Espanada City Center - Bucharest :cheers:

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2015/e1hy3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and info ... as on the web ...

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3051/e2sm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Reshaping the city

The Esplanada Project aims the functional conversion of the site bordered by Unirii Avenue, Nerva Traian Street, Octavian Goga Avenue and Mircea Voda Avenue, on a surface of 107,140 m2 and with a direct investment of 1 billion Euro and with a related investment of 2 to 3 billion Euro. Esplanada will provide shopping, living, working and leisure functions integrated into a mixed-use urban community envisaged within a city environment of streets, plazas and gardens.
Esplanada City Center will offer a unique cultural centre in Romania involving a national concert hall, Guggenheim Museum and a multifunctional cultural space. For this project implementation, the public private partnership seemed as the ideal financing option.
The project will create thousands of construction jobs and thousands of full time employment opportunities. The Esplanada will be the new symbol of Bucharest and Romania’s future as a new city center, a place of life, 24 hours per day.

• Commencement of construction: 2008
• Project opening: 2010
• Investment in million Euro: 1,000
• Gross buildable area (m2): 880,000
• Function: retail and entertainment, office, residential, cultural
• Designer: Murphy & Jahn

nebunul

August 11th, 2007, 11:32 PM

^^ http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Darhet

August 12th, 2007, 02:05 AM

I congratulate:) . I have hope that you will have beautiful skyline in 2015 .

nebunul

August 18th, 2007, 03:07 PM

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2108/80322895wa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

August 18th, 2007, 05:18 PM

:nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2517/54402944hy5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cosmin

August 18th, 2007, 06:17 PM

That tent thingy makes for a good umbrella when raining. :lol: I like the tiny people. What do you think? Do we have any chance of seeing some new mock-ups or renderings before they start building it in 2008? :(

nebunul

August 18th, 2007, 07:00 PM

Old new s ... March 2007
www.propertyeu.info
"Toader: 'We will start with the so-called Forum and in the meantime we will plan the towers."

Should do

nebunul

August 18th, 2007, 07:41 PM

Tried to count the floors :nuts: ... IMO Max. 60F+10F(aerials)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7225/95578375lx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

giovani kun

August 19th, 2007, 04:46 PM

the most impresive project :applause:

Corneliu

August 19th, 2007, 05:15 PM

well, that tent looks like a condom to me :) I guess all of us thought of that but never dared to say it outloud :)

nebunul

August 21st, 2007, 12:16 PM

"
> Stimate Domn/Doamna,
>
> Un grup de tineri entuziasti, interesati de proiectele care se
> desfasoara in capitala, va roaga sa le dati citeva informatii (publice
> desigur) cu privire la proiectul Esplanada (Esplanada City Center).
> Puteti sa ne comunicati regimul maxim de inaltime ? Aveti detalii pe
> care le puteti face publice in legatura cu design-ul turnurilor?
>
> Link Espanada - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1
>
> Va multumim!
>
> Cu Stima,
> Nebunul

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxx@trigranit.ro [mailto:xxxxxx@trigranit.ro]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
To: Nebunul
Subject: Re: Esplanada City Center - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

> Stimate domn Nebunul,

Contractul pentru dezvoltarea proiectului Esplanada este in curs de negociere cu Autoritatea Publica. Asadar, pana la incheierea acestui contract nu putem face publice alte informatii decat cele afisate in link-ul trimis de dumneavoastra. Dupa semnarea contractului nu vom ezita in a va trimite detaliile solicitate.

Numai bine,

Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxx
Assistant to Country Manager "

Arhitectul sef al capitalei - Bold - nu a raspuns inca :nuts: :bash:

Corneliu

August 21st, 2007, 12:33 PM

Adi-Romania(Boston)

August 21st, 2007, 01:56 PM

Cred k s-a speriat de nick-ul tau si din aia n-a trimis. J/K

nebunul

August 21st, 2007, 02:08 PM

^^ Iti dai seama ca nu le-am trimis cu nick-ul asta :lol: :nuts:

commodore

August 21st, 2007, 07:12 PM

^^ Bravo colega ! Super initiativa.:applause:

Corneliu

August 21st, 2007, 07:25 PM

I don't get it. So their masterplan was'nt approved yet? is that correct. Or they just don't have a masterplan yet?

nebunul

August 21st, 2007, 07:59 PM

^^ contract has not been signed yet (still being negociated:bash: ) so they can not give us any details (public) beforehand

nebunul

August 25th, 2007, 12:05 PM

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8408/ecchn8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cosmin

August 25th, 2007, 12:23 PM

:nuts: New render!:lol:

mode55

August 25th, 2007, 05:33 PM

"Stimate domn Nebunul," :laugh:

nebunul

August 28th, 2007, 12:16 PM

Updated website - http://www.westfourth-architecture.com/

nebunul

September 3rd, 2007, 11:22 AM

One of the best "renders" IMO :cheers:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3999/77735133di3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

September 4th, 2007, 05:12 PM

^^ View from the roof of the tallest Esplanada tower :nuts: :cheers:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3367/feln0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

giovani kun

September 4th, 2007, 07:21 PM

^^ what can I say fantastic :)

commodore

September 4th, 2007, 08:12 PM

^^ merveilleux

nebunul

September 9th, 2007, 10:18 PM

^^ View from the roof of the tallest Esplanada tower :nuts: :cheers:

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3367/feln0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I took this one from 12th floor ... ^^ same ^^ tower ...:nuts: :nuts: :)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2333/14522645jb6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

September 10th, 2007, 10:16 PM

Espanada … lightening … :skull:

Ccspd5zBZ5Y

stereodoping

September 10th, 2007, 10:29 PM

I can't see the movie - can you post the link ?

stereodoping

September 10th, 2007, 10:35 PM

Sorry - i had a problem with my browser :) - it's ok

commodore

September 11th, 2007, 08:33 PM

Terenul situat in apropierea de Piata Unirii ar putea gazdui proiectul Esplanada

Terenul de 10 hectare situat in apropiere de Piata Unirii ar putea arata mai putin parasit in viitorul apropiat. Dupa ce autoritatile nu au gasit o intrebuintare specifica pentru mai bine de 17 ani, terenul mentionat ar putea gazdui unul dintre cele mai ambitioase proiecte rezidentiale ale companiei TriGranit: Esplanada, un proiect de 1 miliard Euro. Totusi, demararea proiectului Esplanada depinde de semnarea contractului dintre Primaria Municipiului Bucuresti si TriGranit, se precizeaza in revista Business Review, intr-un material transmis ziarului financiar electronic www.SMARTfinancial.ro.

In ultimul numar al saptamanalului Business Review, publicatia a obtinut in exclusivitate declaratii despre situatia existenta de la reprezentantii companiei TriGranit. In urma cu ceva timp compania ungureasca TriGranit a fost selectata ca sa reabiliteze un teren nefolosit din centrul capitalei. Compania a venit cu planul proiectului rezidential Esplanada care va include cele mai inalte cladiri din Bucuresti, cladiri de birouri si cladiri de locuinte, cel putin un hotel de 4 - 5 stele, centre comerciale, sali de concert si un muzeu.

Pentru a intra in parteneriat cu Primaria Municipiului Bucuresti pentru acest teren, TriGranit a intrat in competitie cu alte 33 de companii de constructii in anul 2004 cand a avut loc licitatia. Dupa o perioada de negocieri, reprezentantii TriGranit au reusit sa semneze memorandum-ul in mai 2006.

In unele din declaratiile pe care reprezentantii TriGranit le-au dat in exlusivitate pentru Business Review reiese ca situatia nu a fost ingrijoratoare pentru ei si ca intarzierea este justificata de valoarea terenului (1 miliard Euro):

"Dupa semnarea contractului, acesta va fi cel mai valoros parteneriat in sistem public-privat, de pe piata interna.

Daca luam in considerare intarzierile mentionate, proiectul va demara in 2009", afirma reprezentantii TriGranit.

Compania TriGranit a facut si alte investitii in Romania. Au mai fost ridicate in Romania centrele comerciale Polus Center Constanta si Polus Center Cluj-Napoca, investitii de 110 si 40 de milioane Euro.

Intre timp, acestea au fost achizitionate de Immoeast pentru 185 si respectiv, 210 miloane Euro. Proiecte asemanatoare cu Esplanada au mai fost implementate de TriGranit in Ljubljana, capitala Sloveniei.

In numarul de saptamana aceasta, Business Review propune un cover-story despre salariile top managementului din Romania: limite superioare si inferioare pe diferite domenii, cele mai bine platite sectoare economice si diferentele existente intre salarii la nivel de top management: manager, CEO si CFO. Cover-story-ul este argumentat cu opinii de la specialistii din resurse umane: George Butunoiu, Camelia Lungu, Andreea Jura si Alina Candea.

O alta analiza propusa de Business Review are ca subiect urmarile nebanuite ale crizei imobiliare din SUA pe piata locala. Business Review este un saptamanal de afaceri in limba engleza din Romania, editat de trustul Business Media Group.

http://www.smartfinancial.ro/smartestate/piata+imobiliara/terenul+situat+in+apropierea+de+piata+unirii+ar+putea+gazdui+proiectul+esplanada

lucianmx_2007

September 13th, 2007, 10:07 AM

http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_37274-Cat-costa-noul-Bucuresti.htm

nebunul

September 13th, 2007, 12:51 PM

^^ 21 Nov 2005 .. any newer ... news ?! :nuts: :lol:

lucianmx_2007

September 13th, 2007, 05:11 PM

^^ 21 Nov 2005 .. any newer ... news ?! :nuts: :lol:
nope ! unfortunately ! :(

nebunul

September 15th, 2007, 12:27 PM

2009 ... :bash: No comments ... http://www.bloombiz.ro/article--Real_Estate-Rezidential-TriGranit_semneaza_cu_Primaria_Capitalei_pentru_preluarea_unui_teren_in_valoare_de_un_miliard_de_euro--941571.html

Cosmin

September 15th, 2007, 01:03 PM

Oh bummer!:ohno: I hope they'll at least stick to their original project, if not make a better one with taller towers.

nebunul

September 17th, 2007, 11:35 AM

"
Arhitectul sef al capitalei - Bold - nu a raspuns inca :nuts: :bash:

A se citi de jos in sus :nuts:

________________________________________
From: Nebunul
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:23 AM
To: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Subject: RE: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domn XXXX,

Va multumesc pentru detalii si va doresc succes in toate proiectele si investitiile pe care le derulati in folosul public.

Cu consideratie,
Nebunul

________________________________________
From: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:09 AM
To: Nebunul
Subject: RE: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

-----Original Message-----
From: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:06 AM
To: Adrian Bold
Subject: RE: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domn,
Referitor la solicitarea Dvs. de a primii informatii publice
privind Proiectul Esplanada, va facem cunoscut urmatoarele:

In urma dezbaterilor CTUAT-PMB, documentatia de urbanism a primit
un Aviz de urbanism PRELIMINAR, CARE VA CONSTITUI SUPORTUL SOLUTIEI PROPUSE PENTRU CONSULTAREA POPULATIEI
SI A INSTITUTIILOR PUBLICE INTERESATE IN CEEA CE PRIVESTE EXTINDEREA ZONEI CENTRALE
PRECUM SI INFORMATIA NECESARA INTOCMIRII TEMEI PENTRU CONCURSUL DE URBANISM SI ARHITECTURA CE SE VA ORGANIZA PENTRU AMPLASAMENTUL ESPLANADA, SOLUTIA FINALA CASTIGATOARE STABILIND INDICATORII URBANISTICI DEFINITIVI.
PRECIZAM FAPTUL CA, CONCURSUL SE VA ORGANIZA DUPA APROBAREA IN CONSILIUL GENERAL AL MUNICIPIULUI BUCURESTI
A DOCUMENTATIEI SUS-MENTIONATE.
CU RESPECT,
ING. XXXXXX XXXXXX

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Bold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:46 AM
To: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Subject: FW: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

-----Original Message-----
From: Nebunul
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Adrian Bold
Cc: Adriean Videanu
Subject: FW: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domn Bold,
Mai incerc inca odata sa apelez la bunavointa dumneavoastra si a primarului general al capitalei in a afla detalii despre proiectul Espanada City Center. Orice informatie (publica) este bine venita.

Va Multumesc!

Cu Stima,
Nebunul

______________________________________________
From: Nebunul
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:41 PM
To'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Subject: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domnule Bold,
Un grup de tineri entuziasti si interesati de proiectele care se desfasoara in capitala va roaga sa le dati citeva informatii (publice desigur) cu privire la proiectul Esplanada (Esplanada City Center). Puteti sa ne comunicati regimul de inaltime si termenul de incepere/finalizare aproximativa a lucrarilor?
Link trigranit - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Va multumim!

Cu Stima,
Nebunul

.............

Deci “SOLUTIA FINALA” inca nu s-a stabilit?!?!?!!? :gaah: :dunno: Sper sa mentina design-ul existent. Poate ne trezim cu o alta Espanada :nono: ... iar macheta asta de sticla e doar o chestie de imagine ?!?!!? ... Nu prea cred pentru ca fost prezentata la Real Viena si alte tirguri de profil ...

COTNARI

September 17th, 2007, 11:51 AM

Deci “SOLUTIA FINALA” inca nu s-a stabilit?!?!?!!? :gaah: :dunno: Sper sa mentina design-ul existent. Poate ne trezim cu o alta Espanada :nono: ... iar macheta asta de sticla e doar o chestie de imagine ?!?!!? ... Nu prea cred pentru ca fost prezentata la Real Viena si alte tirguri de profil ...

Dar era foarte clar ca nu asta e solutia finala. Iar cea ma buna dovada e proiectul in sine. Proiectul de urbanism a fost acordat de Trigranit vestitei firme Murphy/Jahn. Daca ar fi fost solutia finala, baietii n-ar fi pus in mijlocul proiectului o creatie a lui Foster(alt gigant).

Proiectul e ceva de tipul: asta e zona si iata ce se poate construi. Cred ca o competitie va fi in avantajul bucurestiului. Avem nevoie de idei originale....
Chiar daca apare si o intarziere :bash: . Mai mult ca sigur regimul de inaltime gata aprobat va fi respectat, deci evolutia nu poate fi decat spre bine.:cheers:

pescarush

September 17th, 2007, 12:46 PM

@nebunul, niciodata nu e bine sa te atasezi de un proiect.
eu zic ca solutia finala trebuie gasita in urma unui concurs international iar apoi proiectul castigator sa fie revizuit de catre o echipa alcatuita din firma castigatoare si specialisti locali, adica arhitectii nostri bravi:) .
hoping we ll gonna get rid of that 'tent' which is hosting the mall:bash:

COTNARI

September 17th, 2007, 12:59 PM

hoping we ll gonna get rid of that 'tent' which is hosting the mall:bash:

Well I think they will remove it. It is/will be constrocted in Astana, Kazakhstan

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Projects/1438/Default.aspx

I will love to have in the city center a Foster , but for sure not a copy....

pescarush

September 17th, 2007, 01:07 PM

why would u want him, if he s not doing anything to his projects, just talking!
actualy like most of big names in architecture...

nebunul

September 17th, 2007, 01:26 PM

@nebunul, niciodata nu e bine sa te atasezi de un proiect.

IMO its one of the best projects in Europe . I hope they keep this design
Well I think they will remove it. It is/will be constrocted in Astana, Kazakhstan

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/Projects/1438/Default.aspx

I will love to have in the city center a Foster , but for sure not a copy....

Esplanada's concept (glass tent) was done before Foster's design

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14856178&postcount=51

COTNARI

September 17th, 2007, 02:03 PM

Well, Foster or not, if the glass structure was first proposed for Bucharest or for Astana, it is not really important. We need original and good ideas. I also like how it looks like now, but I still think that a competition is the solution. For a project of this magnitude we need to see the best proposal. And it will bring a good publicity to the city.....

nebunul

September 17th, 2007, 02:46 PM

^^ Yep but Trigranit was one of the 33-34 companies that competed for it ...

COTNARI

September 17th, 2007, 03:13 PM

^^ great!!! But was it an urban planning or a final architectural competition? It's still not clear for me....:ohno: On Trigranit website says: Designer: Murphy & Jahn(not architect). :bash:

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7375/29081479uj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Old news ... new for some :nuts:

Trigranit Romania Director Janos Pal Halasz explains in an exclusive interview for Bucharest Daily News the plans for the Esplanada project, the largest real estate investment in Romania, estimated at 1.2 billion euros.

Many Romanian architects have criticized the Esplanada project from many points of view. How would you reply to this criticism?

I will not run from architects. But they have seen only an idea for the project, not the final blueprint. Everwhere Trigranit has made investments it has involved the inhabitants of the city, asked for their opinions and even modified the project (based on these opinions).
Moreover, the fact the Esplanada cultural center could become a more modern version of the Palace of Culture in Budapest, which won the FIABCI Excellence Price, plus (it could house) the Guggenheim museum, which is said to have placed Bilbao on the map, make the project very attractive indeed.

(Source: Bucharest Daily News)

nebunul

September 17th, 2007, 03:40 PM

Red Bull Flugtag 2007 - near Esplanada site :cheers: :banana:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/289/rros7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1539/r4bi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2268/60746456zc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2095/r3qp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8247/r5nv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2818/r6qr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/688/lololoxu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Much more on http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=bucharest&s=rec&page=9

nebunul

September 24th, 2007, 03:25 PM

Come onnnnnnnnnnnn ... I want to see this being built :nuts: :cheers:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1858/e1cx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4935/53658586jh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/486/e2ez1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Real Viena 2007

joce23

September 29th, 2007, 09:41 AM

Esplanada project close to signing, construction to start in 2009 :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers2:
http://businessromania.ro/index.php?x=read

A 10-hectare plot close to Unirii Square that has lain deserted for more than 17 years is an oddity in a city where the battle for land is raging. If it were in the hands of an individual, the land would have been sold by now, and a lucky developer would have reaped the fruits of a mixed project already. The land, however, belongs to the state, and this could explain the present picture.

By Corina Saceanu

This particular land could host TriGranit’s Esplanada, a huge city renewal project, mixing offices with residences, retail, cultural buildings and green areas. Its history starts three years ago, when Hungarian developer TriGranit was selected as investor in the public-private partnership, meant to bring beauty and structure to a deserted area in the downtown of the capital city, and, of course, profits to both the developer and the Bucharest City Hall.

This particular land could host TriGranit’s Esplanada, a huge city renewal project, mixing offices with residences, retail, cultural buildings and green areas. Its history starts three years ago, when Hungarian developer TriGranit was selected as investor in the public-private partnership, meant to bring beauty and structure to a deserted area in the downtown of the capital city, and, of course, profits to both the developer and the Bucharest City Hall.

Romania doesn’t have a great track record in kicking off large public-private partnerships. Changing governments and hectic legislation were reasons for delaying projects which in other countries took much less time to realize. The Radio House project is one such unfortunate example. Construction works started this year, after several years in which contracts with irregularities popped up along with interchanging investors.

The construction date for Esplanada depends on the signing of the contract between the Bucharest municipality and developer TriGranit, which has been delayed year after year. But this time negotiations between the two parties seem to be close to an end, and the developing company expects to start works in 2009.

TriGranit: Long negotiations are normal

What is delaying the project? After negotiations with the state, TriGranit signed the PPP memorandum in May last year, and this has opened the way for the final round of negotiations. Pending restitution claims on more than half of the plot also put a brake on the process. The Bucharest Municipality was expecting to finalize mid-last year the restitution claims and compensate anyone who had lost out. However, no good news in this respect came from the Bucharest city hall.

On the other hand, TriGranit representatives said it was normal for the negotiations between the two parties to take so long, as the value of the project makes it the biggest PPP so far: over EUR 1 billion.

“The negotiations process for Esplanada was naturally a long one, as it was the first project at such a value, over EUR 1 billion. There are no major impediments for the negotiations, things went the normal way,” Dan Ghibernea, country manager for TriGranit Development Romania, exclusively told Business Review.

After the signing of the memorandum last year, when all the TriGranit bosses came to Romania, the negotiations involved weekly meetings, analyzing all the details in the contract up to each comma, numerous studies, analyses and estimations, “so that the contract respects both the investor’s and the state’s interest,” says Ghibernea.

The long yard seems to have shortened for Esplanada, as the contract signing moment is just around the corner.:banana: “We are close to finalization, but, I must say, we prefer to sign the agreement later, but knowing the Esplanada development will have a solid and correct ground, which could make it a positive example for other partnerships of this type,” Ghibernea said.

The need for longer negotiations may be a direct consequence of the irregularities in the Radio House PPP contract, which had to be renegotiated and which will be built with other private investors who did not feature in the initial set.

As for Esplanada, TriGranit, the lucky winner of this PPP, which had to outrun 33 other competitors in the race in 2004, will need to use all its forces to build the more than 650,000 sqm the project will feature.

The developers seem very patient, but since they won the Esplanada contract, the company has already kicked off two other projects in Romania – two Polus Center malls in Cluj – Napoca and Constanta. The project in Cluj-Napoca is actually very close to opening.

“We have waited in some cases as long as seven years to identify opportunities, but I hope we won’t have to wait that long in Romania, because we prefer to work and make money. TriGranit has powerful shareholders, and this allows us to focus on projects which don’t necessarily have an immediate end in sight. Our main project now is Esplanada,” Lorant Varga, CEO of Trigranit International, said last year. Five years will have passed by 2009, the latest announced date for start of project.

Pedal to the metal for similar size private projects

While Esplanada is awaiting signature on legal papers, two other projects of similar investment sizes are already underway. Baneasa project, a EUR 1.2 billion project built in north Bucharest on some 224 hectares, started in 2005, four years after its founders came up with the idea. Baneasa is not a public-private partnership but it has a somewhat similar structure. The 224-hectare land on which the project is being built doesn’t belong to the investor, but to the University of Agricultural Studies, which gets a share for its contribution.

Another project close in investment size to EUR 1 billion is Sema Parc, a mixed development built by local River Invest. The project, started last year, is currently underway, but its situation is different, as this is an entirely private project. The land belongs to the developer, and so do the funds.

Esplanada may become crown jewelry for TriGranit

Esplanada is in fact one of the biggest, if not the biggest such project in TriGranit’s portfolio. The company has built similar projects in the neighboring countries, but none this size of built area or investment. The Palace of Arts in Budapest, Hungary, was also a PPP, the first PPP of its kind in Central Europe. Its development cost reached EUR 130 million and it was opened in 2005.

Emonika City Center in Ljubljana, Slovenia, is closer in concept to the future Esplanada. The project, supposed to kick off in 2007 and open in 2010, requires EUR 250 million in investment for a 120,000-sqm total built area, featuring retail and entertainment, residential, offices and a hotel.

BG_PATRIOT

September 29th, 2007, 11:55 AM

^^ :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

hariskec

September 29th, 2007, 03:12 PM

Wonderful news! This is the best project in Eastern Europe by far! Good luck with it! :banana:

BG_PATRIOT

September 29th, 2007, 03:16 PM

Btw do we have any news about the height of the buildings yet?

nebunul

October 16th, 2007, 10:37 AM

^^ No news yet ...

Romanian only - OAR meeting http://www.oar-bucuresti.ro/documente/sedinte_ctuat/CTUAT-2007-05-08.pdf

commodore

October 22nd, 2007, 07:28 PM

Esplanada project could be approved in december.

http://www.zf.ro/articol_146473/proiectul_esplanada_ar_putea_fi_aprobat_in_decembrie__lucrarile_vor_incepe_cu_intarziere__in_2009_.html

Proiectul Esplanada ar putea fi aprobat in decembrie, lucrarile vor incepe cu intarziere, in 2009
Contractul pentru realizarea proiectului imobiliar Esplanada din zona centrala a Bucurestiului cu compania ungara TriGranit ar putea fi aprobat pana la sfarsitul anului, iar lucrarile de constructie vor incepe in 2009, cu o intarziere de doi ani,determinata de problemele cu retrocedarea terenurilor, informeaza Mediafax.

"Am primit saptamana trecuta de la Executiv un ultim mandat pentru a finaliza negocierile cu TriGranit si sper ca in luna decembrie sa prezentam Guvernului actul normativ prin care sa definitivam acest contract", a declarat, astazi, ministrul Dezvoltarii, Lucrarilor Publice si Locuintelor, Laszlo Borbely

Cosmin

October 22nd, 2007, 10:26 PM

Better later than never. I wish that Esplanada gets +10 floors on each building as a bonus for this delay, but I know in reality, we'll be lucky if they stick with the current height. :)

I so want to see this built.

nebunul

October 22nd, 2007, 10:35 PM

:lol:
Come onnnnnnnnnnnn ... I want to see this being built :nuts: :cheers: http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1858/e1cx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4935/53658586jh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/486/e2ez1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^ Real Viena 2007

Corneliu

October 22nd, 2007, 11:43 PM

Proiectul Esplanada demareaza in 2009, cu doi ani intarziere
23 Octombrie 2007
Ana Batca

Contractul autoritatilor cu compania ungara TriGranit pentru realizarea proiectului imobiliar Esplanada, ce urmeaza a fi ridicat in centrul Capitalei, are toate sansele sa fie aprobat pana la sfarsitul acestui an.

Cu toate acestea, lucrarile de constructie vor incepe, cel mai probabil, in 2009, cu doi ani intarziere fata de data stabilita initial, din cauza revendicarilor care trebuie solutionate.

„Saptamana trecuta am primit un ultim mandat de la guvern pentru a finaliza negocierea contractului. Speram ca, pana in decembrie, sa venim cu legea necesara”, a declarat ministrul dezvoltarii, lucrarilor publice si locuintelor, Laszlo Borbely. Dupa ce va fi semnat, contractul va fi predat catre Primaria Capitalei.

Lucrarile la proiectul Esplanada, estimat la o valoare cuprinsa intre 800 de milioane si un miliard de euro, erau prevazute sa inceapa in cursul acestui an, printr-un parteneriat public-privat.

Investitia vizeaza constructia unui ansamblu de spatii de birouri, locuinte si spatii comerciale, pe o suprafata de teren de peste 10,7 hectare.

Conform proiectului, constructiile vor avea o suprafata desfasurata de 800.000 de metri patrati. Pentru derularea investitiei, autoritatile romane au incheiat, in anul 2006, un memorandum de colaborare cu reprezentantii companiei TriGranit.

3tmk

October 23rd, 2007, 12:07 AM

About Esplanada, are all the tower designs finalized?
I have a feeling that most of them might get redrawn, from the way most other megaprojects in the world change their individual towers little here and there

nebunul

October 27th, 2007, 05:41 PM

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7743/espgk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=327821#

giovani kun

October 28th, 2007, 10:05 AM

I hope they'll make the two towers 300m tall and not 250m :)

Ventilator_BGD

October 29th, 2007, 05:26 AM

Very nice project, on very bad location. Urbanisticly, this location should be preserved with regulations, Bucharest is a type of city like Paris (in its undeveloped version), it should have straight regulation in centre, around boulevards, and around the centre should be formed a few buckets of skyline clusters. Mine oppinion...

nebunul

October 29th, 2007, 11:52 AM

^^ What to preserve here?! :lol::lol:
Esplanada site:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5918/eslx9.jpg

Ventilator_BGD

October 29th, 2007, 03:15 PM

This bouleverd has a nice structure, straight regulation. I just talked about type of the city, with this small peace of land u cannot concentrate some greater skyline. On this picture its ovbioust that all surrounding is full, and its horizontal... Doesnt it speak about something?! This should be kept with horizontal buildings with nuber of floors just like the surrounding buildings. And the skyline?! I dont know, i have never been in Bucharest, and i dont know exactly the structure, but, it would be nice to walk by boulevard from the parliament to the circle square, and to have a vizure of skyline beware the circle square...

One more thing, as i can see on theese photos, i can concluse that projects in all cities of Balcan including Bucharest and this project, were not made with sistematic research and exploration of space and capability, there are no urbanistic institutions that have enough power (and ofcourse knowldge, and wilth) to fight commercial mafia. Its extreeme in Belgrade and Serbian cities, but as i can see, the situation is not much better in other cities of Balcanes.

nebunul

October 29th, 2007, 04:48 PM

This bouleverd has a nice structure, straight regulation.

Well IMO Esplanada would not affect but improve the general look of this commie boulevard

Ventilator_BGD

October 30th, 2007, 03:10 AM

Actually, i like this "commie" look, its nice. otherwise anything could improve the look, its just a question about urbanistic issues, and analicity in projecting the future look of the city. On this way it will be chaotic... Thats all i try to explane... This kind of projects could be somewhere else made, dont know where... As i see Bucharest doesnt have problems with investors, all that could be done.

Cosmin

October 30th, 2007, 10:23 AM

joce23

October 30th, 2007, 10:40 AM

^^
Bucharest is stifled by own growth
http://www.zf.ro/articol_147429/bucharest_is_stifled_by_own_growth.html

Lacking a long-term urban development plan for the last few decades, Romanian cities have developed haphazardly, around industrial or commercial centres, with whole neighbourhoods being replicated, and streets devised to accommodate one car per every twenty inhabitants. Bucharest is the "best" example of a lack of strategy, :bash: according to experts in urban development. Responsible for almost one third of Romania's gross domestic product, the Capital is stifled by its own growth. New residential areas appear in areas where the basic infrastructure is not yet in place, which is the case in Pipera, where villas are delivered with septic tanks and a drilled well, but without sewage and running water, while the large intersections in Bucharest are only traffic-free at night.

"We never really had a concrete long term plan of urban development in Romania, in Bucharest or in the provinces and the problem is we still don't," :bash: Sandu Alexandru, dean of the Faculty of Urbanism within the Ion Mincu Architecture University, and president of the Romanian Urban Planners Register, told ZF. Several projects end up languishing on the table of the administrative authorities, which seldom hold an open and constructive dialogue with representatives of the civil society, or the projects take very long time to develop.

nebunul

October 30th, 2007, 11:57 AM

I agree with Ventilator, and as I said many times, we need an area just for skyscrapers, a sort of Romanian La Defense, but we know that's not going to happen, so I'm quite happy with building Esplanada on that site. I don't like how the boulevard looks now, however, even though I agree that Esplanada will kinda break the uniformity of it.

What uniformity Cosmin? Uniformity of commies lined up for 2km?! Lets be serious ... I do agree that Bucharest will need a place like La Defence for SS … but this will not happen in our life time … so keeping it real and taking in consideration the existing disastrous situation – especially around and behind(West) Esplanada - and U/C/ proposed projects, this will do much more good than bad to Bucharest. Bucharest has got the chance for a real cultural center combined with real SS ... thanks god for that :cheers:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8590/eeti7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cosmin

October 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM

Yes, uniformity of commie blocks.:) I understand what Ventilator is trying to say, it doesn't mean I like this stupid uniformity. I'd like to see Esplanada built in a special district, just for skyscrapers, but like I said, considering that this will not happen, I'm fine with it's current location. Ventilator is only looking at it from the architectural perspective... and I think he's right from that perspective only.

nebunul

October 30th, 2007, 12:36 PM

Agree with "perspective only" ... but we all know the reality of that area. And from this point of view I welcome Esplanada :cheers:

pescarush

October 30th, 2007, 01:12 PM

people, there s no architecture in the area, except those houses hidden behind comunist uglyness.
urbanisticaly thinking, the project is corect:
-vertical points creates a proportion to unirii square, which is a large one.
-destroy the masivity of people s house from some angles
-perspective point from dambovita river and splaiul unirii
-the site is surrounded by wide boulevards and wide green spaces, splaiul unirii could become this way one of bucharest s promenade.

not to mention that from architecturaly point of view will destroy the concrete image of the neighbouring buildings...that we re not so proud of.

cris24s

October 31st, 2007, 03:02 PM

I like the projects Esplanada.... Unfortunely we don´t have any other space close to the city center for a project like this. The Boulevard is not so bad but the last buildings were built differnt so this alterate a little the arhitecture.
I don´t know if in Bucharest the old commie buildings will change the look very soon. We need a lot of money to give a new face to our capital. Hope that things will change faster than we aspect.

nebunul

October 31st, 2007, 03:05 PM

What uniformity Cosmin? Uniformity of commies lined up for 2km?! Lets be serious ... I do agree that Bucharest will need a place like La Defence for SS … but this will not happen in our life time … so keeping it real and taking in consideration the existing disastrous situation – especially around and behind(West) Esplanada - and U/C/ proposed projects, this will do much more good than bad to Bucharest. Bucharest has got the chance for a real cultural center combined with real SS ... thanks god for that :cheers:

Just make it even clearer …

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8590/eeti7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5918/eeka7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
^^ ^^ reality ... Esplanada site and surroundings :bash:

Ventilator_BGD

October 31st, 2007, 05:10 PM

Ventilator_BGD

October 31st, 2007, 05:12 PM

can somebody shows me on the map where is the old center of the city in relation with boulevard?

nebunul

October 31st, 2007, 05:15 PM

You do not need to destroy anything as Esplanada in itself is a cluster – 6 buildings over 100m ...

One of the best "renders" IMO :cheers:

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3999/77735133di3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

October 31st, 2007, 05:18 PM

can somebody shows me on the map where is the old center of the city in relation with boulevard?

Old center its quite far away ... it would not really be affected ...

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7633/ccbn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pescarush

October 31st, 2007, 06:12 PM

If the things stands like this, than i would destroy the block on the other side of the bouldvard and make some cluster in downtown. Boulevard is simetric, so it would be very ugly to see only one side of it built with highrise. U can elevate all that zone...

man, we re not talking about some sci fi here, it s about a plot of land that has to be regiven to the town, by making this kind of project. actualy will solve many problems, as i said before!
i don t think Bucharest will have one big cluster ever, there will be some highrise aglomerations in some spots ot the town. i think Bucharest will have the configuration of London, i m afraid, as specialists always been criticises it s urbanist development.
and yes, Esplanada will be the highest point of Bucharest in this hole urbanistic aglomeration, only if the government won t decide to transform Izvor Park the main cluster of Bucharest with some 300m+ buildings which i would totaly agreed.

nebunul

October 31st, 2007, 06:17 PM

BTW Ventilator_BGD have a look at this ...

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6807/eemh6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

From(A)8.25” … to (B)7.00” … to (C) 5.50”

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cezarsab

October 31st, 2007, 08:33 PM

a lot of wrong informtion are in this vedio!!
who made it???

Sbz2ifc

November 1st, 2007, 12:56 AM

I don't think I've said it before, but I'd prefer something like this for Esplanada: http://www.cac.es/home?languageId=1

...and that would bring tourists here. Let's face it... skyscrapers are just skyscrapers. We like them, but 3 skyscrapers aren't going to increase the number of tourists that come to Bucharest by much.

Adi-Romania(Boston)

November 1st, 2007, 01:34 AM

That's funny that that's posted, I don't I ever posted it here. I made the vid, what's wrong info in it? I did it for fun, never really intended it to be proper or what not. I can make a proper video when I get back in December if I have the time.

BTW, that traffic there is very light if anyone is interested, almost non existant compared to busy days. It was during summer when everyone is at the sea-side.

...took a look at the vid again, I said that's the tallest building, well it was....back then. I did this video in june 2006 and there wasn't anything taller then, the BRD tower is about the same or smaller.

Cosmin

November 1st, 2007, 11:08 AM

BRD Tower is 84-86 m tall (don't remeber exactly), while Intercontinental is 77 m tall. I like your vid, btw. :)

nebunul

November 6th, 2007, 12:22 PM

:lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esplanada_City_Center

The entire project is visioned like a small city with shopping, living, working and leisure functions integrated into one enormous complex developed on an area of 107,140 sq m.

The project includes 8 skyscrapers from 30 to 70 floors, a Guggenheim Museum, a shopping mall and many green areas.

The tallest of the skyscrapers will have a roof height of 210 m (250 with the spire). There will be also an unique building shaped in the form of the romanian sculptor Constantin Brâncuşi's Endless Column

The whole building complex including the mall will have a price tag of around US$ 4.2 billion and it will be paid by the developer hungaryan company TriGránit and the Rothschild family.

nebunul

November 13th, 2007, 11:24 AM

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/3228/eeaa6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

COTNARI

November 16th, 2007, 10:00 PM

http://www.sergiubrega.com/wp-content/uploads/poze/2007/iun_14_2007/IMG_5955.jpg

Ventilator_BGD

November 21st, 2007, 02:23 PM

nebunul

November 21st, 2007, 02:37 PM

There is nothing else there … what you’re saying is to change/demolish whole area first … aren’t these pictures clear enough?! There is nothing to preserve there for god’s sake …

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8590/eeti7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5918/eeka7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

joce23

November 21st, 2007, 02:39 PM

People, all of us on Balcanes have experience about wrong urbanistic movements, that can provoke unrepaired mistakes in future, which is the main fact in our transition period. The example is esplanada, they made this project because the city needs it, but personally this kind of locations should be kept for some more reasonable urbanistic-architectonic solution, for about i dont know, 10, 15 years?!

I completely disagree with you !

1. IMO Esplanada is more than a reasonable project. It is one of the best projects in Europe ! :cheers:

2. IMO keeping a shitty empty place in the middle of Bucharest for another 10-15 years it is out of any normal reasons !

nebunul

November 21st, 2007, 02:44 PM

It will be one of the best cultural centers in Europe :cheers:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2108/80322895wa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And national library (2010) will be next/part to/of it

Just to add this extra info here ...:)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7616/esplanadtf21ow4.png (http://imageshack.us)

^^ National Library to have a new look ... the one crossed with red above

Existing (2007)
http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/3238/1219954399061244061S600x600Q85.jpg (http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1219954399061244061sgzQDR)

Proposed/Aproved (2010)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3272/32833126nu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

COTNARI

November 21st, 2007, 02:53 PM

BTW nothing grows there! You can't have even a park there. The concrete....:( . It will be cool to see the hole (fundations) when they will start

nebunul

November 21st, 2007, 02:57 PM

^^ ^^ :) http://wikimapia.org/#lat=44.425222&lon=26.115199&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2

COTNARI

November 21st, 2007, 03:17 PM

^^ ^^ :) http://wikimapia.org/#lat=44.425222&lon=26.115199&z=17&l=0&m=a&v=2

yes! that area is a nightmare!

Ventilator_BGD

November 21st, 2007, 03:48 PM

Le Clerk

November 21st, 2007, 04:25 PM

Does anybody have a gound picture of that desaster area of the city?! On this map its just an old bad "commie", which doesnt exist anywhere in europe, so automaticly its ugly. For me its nice, its diferend, and maybe it is not clean, and active, but this area can transform into a good center of the city, with inputing new ellements, trees, squares, and walk zones, if urbanists were clever it would happen. Its just about imagination. I dont like this project esplanada at all, but if u like all, have nothing against it. I talk about real urbanism, and we dont have it. Face it...

Ventilator, the Esplanada willl have trees, walking zones, entertainment, residential, and office functions etc. What is not urbanistic about this? I do not understand. If you talk about the surrounding area, maybe you have a point, but was built 25 years ago! One cannot change that. However, this Esplanada project willl change it radically.

Do you have abnother solution? I'd be curious to learn it. :cheers:

nebunul

November 21st, 2007, 05:03 PM

Esplanada willl have trees, walking zones, entertainment, residential, and office functions etc.

^^ Good point. I forgot about this ... Esplanada even got I prize for landscaping in 2006 ...

1. prize (2006):
Esplanada City Center, Bucharest, Romania

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3442/eeers1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Sbz2ifc's “stitch up” :lol: ^^

http://www.schmidt-landschaftsarchitekten.de/aktuelles_news.php?id=40

... one more angle ... inside the tent :cheers:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3248/11111uh7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

commodore

November 22nd, 2007, 07:30 PM

I barely wait for the towers to be rised over this swampy place...

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9816/esplno7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

November 22nd, 2007, 08:08 PM

BTW I was told by ZA good fairy :nuts::lol: that the contract has not been signed yet ... but it should happen ASAP :cheers: I hope she'll bring out some more fairy tales when the time comes :) ...

commodore

November 22nd, 2007, 08:14 PM

can you share with us who's ZA fairy :cheers:

BTW I was told by ZA good fairy :nuts::lol: that the contract has not been signed yet ... but it should happen ASAP :cheers: I hope she'll bring out some more fairy tales when the time comes :) ...

nebunul

November 22nd, 2007, 08:21 PM

:dunno: :angel:

Dulgeroff

November 22nd, 2007, 11:30 PM

^^I also talked to ZA good fairy. She told me that GE is planning on buying a controlling share in the Esplanada project.

pescarush

November 23rd, 2007, 08:35 AM

what is GE?

joce23

November 23rd, 2007, 08:43 AM

^^
General Electric !

nebunul

November 24th, 2007, 05:34 PM

You forgot this one guys :nuts: :lol: ...

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6857/espqq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

nebunul

November 28th, 2007, 05:30 PM

One from ZA good fairy ...

TriGranit looks for residential opportunities in Romania
www.business-review.ro

TriGranit will invest up to EUR 3 billion in Romania in the next five to seven years. The developer plans to expand the Polus retail chain, now present in Cluj-Napoca and Constanta, to other cities, the next target being Brasov where the company already owns 24 hectares of land. Residential is another segment in which TriGranit is likely to invest in Romania and is now looking for such an opportunity, the company told BR
With its Esplanada project in the final negotiation stages, with Polus Center Cluj up and running, and Polus Constanta under construction, TriGranit Development Corporation is now looking at expanding its Polus Center chain around Romania. The developer is working on a new project in Brasov, having a similar scheme to the two Polus Centers, Arpad Torok, chief leasing officer and development director for Romania with TriGranit told Business Review.

The project in Brasov will be developed on a plot of approximately 24 hectares, close to the exit of the city towards Ghimbav. The future Polus in Brasov, now in its planning and approval stage, will require a similar investment as the existing Polus centers in Romania.
The developer's estimated investment in each of the two Polus centers has reached EUR 140 million. The value of investment for Polus Center Cluj was of EUR 300 million including tenants' investments, according to Torok. Both Polus Cluj and Constanta were bought by Austrian investment fund Immoeast in record transactions: EUR 210 million and EUR 185 million, respectively, according to data from Immoeast.
"Also, we have two- three other projects in other big Romanian cities, which are currently in planning phase," Torok told BR.
Overall, TriGranit's existing and planned developments for Romania will be worth between EUR 2 to 3 billion, says Torok. The amount will be invested in the next five to seven years.
TriGranit usually develops projects involving investments of minimum EUR 100 million. The ones in Romania target cities of approximately 200,000 inhabitants, according to the company. Arad and Craiova have been recently mentioned by company's officials as targets for two other Polus centers.
The construction works for Polus Center Constanta have started at the end of July and are expected to finalize in the first part of 2009. Up to now, more than 50 percent of the gross lettable area has been secured with tenants. "Around 60 to 70 percent of the brands which opened stores in our project in Cluj, have stated their intention to join us in Constanta as well," says Torok. "Also, just during our attendance at this year's MAPIC, we agreed terms with 12 large chains," he goes on.
TriGranit has added office buildings to some of the other Polus centers in other countries.
In Romania, TriGranit started with retail and will build offices and residential as part of Esplanada project, once it kicks off. But the company is also interested in standalone opportunities on the residential market. "TriGranit's current portfolio includes several successful residential projects in Croatia, Poland, Hungary and in the Seychelles. We would definitely consider a new project in Romania and we are now looking into finding the right opportunity," explains Arpad Torok.
Of the projects announced so far the biggest investment is required by Esplanada - a little more than EUR 1 billion. Each of the three mentioned Polus developments require around EUR 140 million, according to company data. This means TriGranit has up to around EUR 1.5 billion to spend on other projects in Romania besides the ones already disclosed.
Officials of TriGranit have recently announced plans to invest up to EUR 5 billion in Russia. In the last ten years, the developer has spent more than EUR 1.5 billion in Eastern Europe and its investment planned for the following years envisages another EUR 8 billion in investments. These numbers reflect the fact that Romania and Russia are for the moment TriGranit's focus in the region.
TriGranit operates in 11 countries in Central and Eastern Europe, and has a pipeline of over EUR 8 billion of mixed-use developments.

cernoch

November 28th, 2007, 07:55 PM

Esplanada site:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5918/eslx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This avenue doesn't need such a huge project to be fascinating enough!

Cosmin

November 28th, 2007, 08:58 PM

Maybe, but it doesn't need a huge hole in the middle neither.:)

Ventilator_BGD

December 4th, 2007, 02:47 AM

This avenue doesn't need such a huge project to be fascinating enough!

think the same.:bash:

nebunul

December 4th, 2007, 10:55 AM

I don't ... Let’s say it will be not just “fascinating” but truly amazing avenue when Esplanada will be completed and that “huge hole” will be Bucharest’s new cultural city center :cheers:

nebunul

January 11th, 2008, 07:49 PM

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1079/zzzwn0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.cancan.ro/2007-11-07/Roata-de-la-Dambovita-Center-copiata-dupa-proiectul-Esplanada.html

Paruiala. Un scandal care sta sa izbucneasca pe piata constructiilor imobiliare are ca punct de pornire un posibil plagiat intre doua firme de cel mai mare calibru

Firma israeliana Plaza Center, care construieste celebrul Dambovita Center, pe locul fostei Case Radio si-a anuntat intentia de a include in proiect si un scranciob gigantic, "Roata Bucurestiului", inspirat, spun ei, de celebrul London Eye, care va avea o inaltime de 90 de metri si va asigura o vedere panoramica a intregului oras. Problema este ca, acum doi ani, o intentie identica a fost anuntata (si pusa pe hartie) de catre o alta firma multinationala, Trigranit, care are si ea propriul megaproiect, renumitul "Esplanada City Center". Conform unor surse din mediul de afaceri, investitorii de la Trigranit bombanesc tot mai nervosi ca cei de la Dambovita Center le-au furat cu nerusinare ideea, o roata uriasa, inspirata, in cazul lor, de cea din vestitul parc vienez Prater. Culmea e ca, desi proiectul Trigranit e mult mai vechi, cei de la Dambovita Center au sanse sa il realizeze primii, ei demarand constructia pe locul fostei Case Radio fara sa aiba Planul urbanistic zonal, si fara sa mai astepte obtinerea autorizatiei de constructie si a certificatului de urbanism. In plus, arhitectul-sef al Capitalei, Adrian Bold, i-a acuzat deja pe cei la Plaza Center ca trateaza Bucurestiul ca pe un parc de distractii, proiectul fiind deja respins de comisia tehnica de urbanism.

old interview ...

Dan Ghibernea
Country Manager TriGranit Development Corporation

What will Romania's biggest contribution to the European Union be?

As an EU member, Romania brings along several benefits: first of all, you should consider its size. It is quite a large country with about 22 million people, many of whom are highly educated. Secondly, but not less important is the fact that Romania is still virgin in some areas, so there are a lot of markets to invest in, as opposed to Czech Republic, Poland or Hungary. They are a bit more developed, which is a benefit from many points of view, but if you look at things from an investor's perspective, Romania can be better. In many fields, the demand is much bigger than the supply, which makes the country very attractive for companies who want to come here and invest.

Which investment areas in Romania would you highlight?
The sectors that are currently booming are real estate and energy.

With Romania's accession to the European Union, many trade barriers are going to collapse. Would you say that Romania and Romanian companies are ready for European competition?

If they are not ready, they will disappear. They have to do their best to keep up with EU standards in terms of product/service quality but also try to care more about the people working for them. And with this I am pointing mostly at the level of salaries. What we are facing now is quite a big problem - the labor force is leaving the country. You should take into consideration the fact that unemployment here is very low, at only 5%. Sooner or later, Romania will have to import labor force especially in the construction and textile industries. Construction workers are now going to different parts of Europe: Italy, Spain, France, Germany and even Great Britain to work for big companies there. In the textile industry, we are now even importing workers from China. We need a couple of years for things to settle down and to fall into place.

What brought TriGranit Group to Romania? What are Romania's competitive advantages compared to other countries?
TriGranit has investments in 12 countries, all of them in the South-Eastern European area, thus we have in-depth knowledge of the real estate market. The team's positive experiences in countries which are often compared to Romania, such as Poland, made it clear for them that Romania is a place with huge potential. It was obvious, even years ago, that Romania's property market was going to boom. Even though it's been almost two years now since the country started being seen as the new real estate El Dorado, the market is still in great need of residential buildings, offices, shopping malls etc. If you go to Budapest or London there is not even one hundred square meters of space to build on while Romania still has a lot to offer.

Is there an opportunity for other international investors to participate in this project?
I think we are a strong enough company to be able to handle the project ourselves. This doesn't mean we will not collaborate with subcontractors for construction or for any other development stages, but this is to be thought about later on.

And these partnerships have not yet been formed?
No, they have not been formed. It is too early.

What is the advantage of this project compared to Baneasa, which has a similar investment?
I'd rather not make a comparison but just mention Esplanada's strengths: first of all, this project is located in a very populated area of Bucharest, meant to become, through Esplanada's construction, the new downtown. Secondly, access is very easy; people wanting to get there will not necessarily need a car. One of the main advantages, not only for the project but also for the entire city, is the fact that there will be a new, designated metro station, just like Canary Wharf in London, right by Esplanada. And of course, there are many bus lines which go by the land where the project is to be built. And maybe one of the most important aspects is the Guggenheim Museum, which will make the project not only a commercial destination but also a cultural one. With all these advantages, I am pretty sure people will want to go to Esplanada, since it is expected to become the new hot spot of the city.

Where do you see the revenues coming from-retail space or office space?
I see it coming from both retail space and office space. Both of them have a future. Although, in the long-term, retail has more potential. While there is a high demand for office spaces (million of square meters every year), the prices have gone down.

How will the market be affected once all of these developments are constructed?
The prices will be more or less similar to offices in older blocks. Tenants will look for higher quality, for real class A offices. They will not settle for anything as they do now, just because the demand is double the supply. But this will not be an issue for our project, since we are positive that our buildings will satisfy even the most demanding client's needs in terms of quality. As for the people of Bucharest, they'll find in Esplanada everything they' need and that will save them some precious time.

Being the leading development in the city really gives this big project added value. And all the companies coming to Bucharest from all over the world will want to be part of it.

We want to bring the biggest, most valuable tenants here, for both offices but also for retail. As I said before, we will not cut corners in quality, since Esplanada is meant to become a symbol for the city, and I am sure that the companies who care about their image will appreciate that and they'll do their best to be part of it.

About the financing, some reports say it is 850 million, others say it is around 1.2 or 1.3 billion. Can you shed some light on this?
I can only say that it is between 850 million to 1.5 billion. When you start a project like this, 200 million, plus or minus, is nothing. We are prepared to spend even more, if necessary. As I said before, the quality is our primary goal. And if I were to be more pragmatic, who can tell today the exact price of concrete in about 3 to 4 years from now? No one. Our estimations were made considering today's' prices. But since the development will take 7 to 10 years, it is really difficult to forecast the exact figure.

With regards to management, who will handle the retail sector of this mammoth project?
We will use companies that specialize on such matters. There are hundreds of companies that specialize in renting out and managing malls, both foreign and local.

Where will the 1 billion Euros in cash come from?
Around 20 to 30 % will be our investment while about 70 to 80% will come from banks. This is the usual way in real estate developments.

Are these Romanian banks or foreign banks?
I cannot tell you where the cash will come from, because I do not know the state of the negotiations with the banks at this point.

What challenges did you face in TriGranit with regards to your visit to London?
Romania lacks good image. I realize that our country is not perfect, but I would have liked to have it represented with both the good parts and the bad parts, as they are; not sensationalized or exaggerated. Right now, our country is badly perceived abroad. This is partly our own fault. We did not know and we did not spend the time to present Romania as it is.

A good country image appeals to investors because they are confident that if they do decide to put their money in a particular project, it can be relied on.

My struggle in London was to convince the Romanian governments to put some money into improving our image. Bulgaria's image in London has improved. They have been working with two PR agencies for the last three to four years. This has attracted investments to Bulgaria.

If I had an interview with BBC or CNN, and I said that Romania is great, I wouldn't be credible, because they would think that it is a biased opinion. But if international media comes here and does a feature on us, highlighting either good or bad, then it is different. It is from a reliable and unbiased source.

What achievement are you most proud of?
I think I did a pretty good job in trying to restore our country's credibility in England. England is not a very friendly place. It was quite difficult to convince them.

I saw the interviews in broadsheets, both locally and abroad, and I heard the feedback which was good. It is all about how you present yourselves and how you deal with the prime ministers, who are very nice people. You have to put something on the table, in order to be credible, and in order to excite them.

We hear that Romania is embarking on a global communication campaign.

We should do that. It is still very weak.

What would you propose?
I would propose hiring one or two big and good PR companies to have hours and hours of briefings with them. I would ask them to come here for three months to understand what is going on in this country. The rest is their job. And they are able to do that. They are very good at it because they are professionals. I have met them all. It all boils down to stability, good image, and laws that do not change every three months.

What is your message to the readers of International Herald Tribune?
If they come to Romania, they will be surprised at what they see here, including the quality of people. They speak English fluently and have lots of potential. Not only that, they are also patient and generous. Romania is a very profitable country to invest in. I have seen investors coming in with a pessimistic mindset and leaving with more hope, returning years after to reap what they have sown. Romania is a country that people can trust.

Thank you very much.

giovani kun

January 12th, 2008, 10:27 PM

nebunul

January 13th, 2008, 12:04 PM

Ipotentii astia din guvernE (mai intii) si apoi din administratie ... vai de mama lor (mai intii a lor - da' nu-si dau seama) si apoi vai de a noastra ...

commodore

January 24th, 2008, 09:10 PM

Towers still missing here :ohno:

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj115/commodoressc/espl1.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj115/commodoressc/es.jpg

giovani kun

January 24th, 2008, 09:12 PM

^^ not only there but we would need much many 50f+ buildings in our capital :ohno:

nebunul

January 24th, 2008, 09:14 PM

BTW I was told by ZA good fairy :nuts::lol: that the contract has not been signed yet ... but it should happen ASAP :cheers: I hope she'll bring out some more fairy tales when the time comes :) ...

I am loosing my patience :nuts: :lol: . I have to give her a buzz

commodore

January 24th, 2008, 09:36 PM

I am loosing my patience :nuts: :lol: . I have to give her a buzz

buzz is not enough. We need to shake her well :lol:

joce23

January 24th, 2008, 09:49 PM

buzz is not enough. We need to shake her well :lol:

Mais non ! C'est mieux avec des bisous ! :lol:

nebunul

January 28th, 2008, 10:51 PM

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3552/mpat3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Le Clerk

January 29th, 2008, 03:27 PM

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3552/mpat3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Any updates on Esplanada in this issue? :cheers:

nebunul

January 29th, 2008, 03:58 PM

^^ 2005 issue :lol: :cheers:

emilianmg

January 29th, 2008, 06:28 PM

probably old news ....Romania Libera 5 Decembrie 2007 (http://www.romanialibera.ro/a112873/terenuri-furate-de-ministere.html)

........
Ministerul Dezvoltarii detine terenul pe care se va construi Esplanada si a si anuntat inceperea lucrarilor, desi ministrul Borbely nu a efectuat nici un studiu de circulatie. Ministerul Apararii, care detine peste 140 de hectare de teren in jurul stadionului Ghencea, nu vrea sa le cedeze
..................
Berceanu a anuntat ca da drumul la Casa Radio, desi reprezentatii ministerului nu au venit la municipalitate sa ceara un aviz de specialitate. Borbely a anuntat si el ca incepe lucrarile la Esplanada, desi i-am explicat ca nu va obtine nici o aprobare pentru proiect pana nu se realizeaza un studiu de circulatie. Daca aducem 30.000 de oameni zilnic la acest viitor centru financiar-bancar fara a avea metrou in zona, o sa fie un dezastru. Noi am lansat un studiu referitor la linia de metrou care pleaca de la Piata Izvor, pe langa Palatul Parlamentului, acopera tot ce inseamna Unirii, pana la Piata Alba Iulia si apoi merge spre Basarabia, dar aceasta linie trebuie facuta inainte de a incepe lucrarile la Esplanada. Daca ei incep constructia, apoi municipalitatea vine din spate gafaind ca sa rezolve cu toate utilitatile, desi asta ar trebui facuta inainte.
Alta absurditate, ministrul Athanasiu a anuntat ca desfiinteaza unitatile militare si construieste locuinte, in conditiile in care la nivelul Capitalei este o cerere atat de mare de case pentru actualii chiriasi ce vor fi dati afara de proprietari. In jurul stadionul Ghencea sunt peste 140 de hectare de teren care apartin Ministerului Apararii. I-am spus ministrului sa lase municipalitatea sa construiasca 20.000 de locuinte pe acele terenuri, dar a motivat ca vor blocuri pentru armata. I-am promis ca ii dau 30% din locuinte, dar degeaba, asa ca municipalitatea a inceput sa achizitioneze locuinte de pe piata, atatea cate a putut
...................................
800 milioane euro pentru metrou, pierdute

"Puteam primi de la guvernul japonez un credit de aproape 800 milioane euro, cel mai mare acordat vreodata de ei, pentru proiectul referitor la extinderea metroului de la Piata Victoriei la Otopeni. Piata Victoriei devenea un mare centru internodal, cu check-in facut chiar acolo. Dar Orban a anuntat ca vrea sa faca o cale ferata spre Otopeni, ca este mai ieftin. Ceea ce nu stie Orban este ca institutia lui – Autoritatea Aeronautica – nu ii va da voie sa faca acest metrou la suprafata, pentru ca afecteaza siguranta aeronautica. Am cerut de doi ani si jumatate ca responsabilitatea pentru extinderea metroului sa revina municipalitatii. Ministerul Transporturilor nu va avea vreodata grija de metrou si de centura Capitalei, are alte prioritati. De acum doi ani, am dat drumul la studiile de fezabilitate ca sa stimulam extinderea metroului pe trei directii importante: Calea Rahovei-Colentina, Drumul Taberei-Pantelimon si Piata Victoriei-Otopeni, iar apoi spre sudul Capitalei. Mijlocul de mare capacitate este metroul, daca nu il extindem nu vom fluidiza in veci traficul. Transportul in comun trebuie sa se bazeze in principal pe metrou, mijloacele de transport de suprafata fiind complementare, trebuie sa indesim statiile de metrou (acum sunt la 1,2-1,4 km fata de 600-800 metri media europeana)", a declarat primarul Videanu.
.................

Sbz2ifc

January 29th, 2008, 08:52 PM

:rant:

The distance from Piata Victoriei to Otopeni is about 14km.

Most of the current efforts of Madrid provincial government are channeled towards the enlargement of the Metro network. Just in the recently finished 2003-2007 term, President Esperanza Aguirre has funded a multi-billion dollar project, which has added, joined, or extended almost all of the metro lines. The project included the addition of 64.5 new miles of track (90 km) and the construction of 80 new stations.Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_metro)

How many years ago did they announce the Otopeni metro line?
And how long have they been working on M4? ...and it's still not ready.

Nothing gets done here. And it's the same with Esplanada. They have announced they're gonna start work so many times, it's getting old. It will probably happen at some point, but until then I think this thread should be closed because it's pointless.

:lock:

nebunul

January 31st, 2008, 11:03 AM

Interesting ... Looks like the Esplanada site is destined to high-rises anyway :cheers:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5715/espiv7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Some nice stuff about what kind of changes could be brought to Bucharest in terms of planing... http://lehre.afg.hs-anhalt.de/dia/projects_studio_bucharest.htm

commodore

February 4th, 2008, 07:02 PM

04.02.2008 http://www.business-review.ro/Blog/editor1/art/1724/TriGranit-the-next-two-years-will-be-decisive-in-Romania.html
:cheers:
Esplanada plus office and residential on the cards for Bucharest
In spite of fears Bucharest might soon become too crowded on the real estate market, Torok thinks there would be more room for mixed projects, combining offices with residential and a little retail. It is actually the kind of project TriGranit would go for in Bucharest, where it is already planning to build the Esplanada project.
The number of existing projects in a city is not as relevant as location and concept when it comes to judging the chances of success of a new project on that market. "Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, they all have 10 to 15 shopping centers each, but only four or five of them are successful. So there can be 10 shopping centers in Bucharest, and only four or five will actually be successful," explains Torok. The rest will stagnate or go bankrupt.
Land prices going up so rapidly and sometimes unjustifiedly seems to be the only surprise Romania has reserved for TriGranit. "It was a bit surprising how land prices have changed in the last couple of years, and they keep going up, sometimes unjustifiedly. We didn't experience anything similar in any other country," says Torok.
Despite frequent comparison between Romania's real estate evolution and countries like Hungary and Poland, Torok thinks the country is moving faster than its peers in the region and in two-three years the market will be saturated. While it took Hungary 10 to 12 years to go from nothing to market saturation, Romania needs only five to eight years to do that. It is now in its 4th to 5th year, he says.

nebunul

February 6th, 2008, 11:31 AM

Wasteland ...

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7793/bbbhn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

_sasha

February 16th, 2008, 06:41 PM

it is for sure, za good fairy told me

04.02.2008 http://www.business-review.ro/Blog/editor1/art/1724/TriGranit-the-next-two-years-will-be-decisive-in-Romania.html
:cheers:
Esplanada plus office and residential on the cards for Bucharest
In spite of fears Bucharest might soon become too crowded on the real estate market, Torok thinks there would be more room for mixed projects, combining offices with residential and a little retail. It is actually the kind of project TriGranit would go for in Bucharest, where it is already planning to build the Esplanada project.
The number of existing projects in a city is not as relevant as location and concept when it comes to judging the chances of success of a new project on that market. "Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, they all have 10 to 15 shopping centers each, but only four or five of them are successful. So there can be 10 shopping centers in Bucharest, and only four or five will actually be successful," explains Torok. The rest will stagnate or go bankrupt.
Land prices going up so rapidly and sometimes unjustifiedly seems to be the only surprise Romania has reserved for TriGranit. "It was a bit surprising how land prices have changed in the last couple of years, and they keep going up, sometimes unjustifiedly. We didn't experience anything similar in any other country," says Torok.
Despite frequent comparison between Romania's real estate evolution and countries like Hungary and Poland, Torok thinks the country is moving faster than its peers in the region and in two-three years the market will be saturated. While it took Hungary 10 to 12 years to go from nothing to market saturation, Romania needs only five to eight years to do that. It is now in its 4th to 5th year, he says.

nebunul

February 16th, 2008, 08:41 PM

it is for sure, za good fairy told me

The same fairy ... I know :cheers: She promised me a picture. Please get it for me :naughty:

giovani kun

February 17th, 2008, 01:19 AM

so what did za good fairy said ? :)

nebunul

February 17th, 2008, 01:24 AM

be patient ...

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 01:30 PM

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5141/mainviewmicyv2.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainviewmicyv2.jpg)

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 01:35 PM

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6368/picture2oj6.th.png (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2oj6.png)

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 01:40 PM

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8630/towerqe6.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=towerqe6.jpg)

joce23

February 17th, 2008, 01:47 PM

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 02:52 PM

Oh, ya ! The show must go on ! Post all that you know from za good fairy, please ! :lol: :cheers:

Thanks for the new renders ! It seems that we have something original instead of that "Brancusi style" skyscraper ! :cheers:

FYI: http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=hirek&id=226&page=1

TriGranit ranks No. 3 among the top 100 European Developers

February 14, 2008, Budapest. Listing the largest European property developers in its latest issue, PropertyEU magazine ranked the Budapest-based TriGranit the 3rd largest developer in Europe.

During its more then 10 years successful operation, TriGranit has established itself as one of the major players in the Central-Eastern European market. We are happy to acknowledge the listing of PropertyEU, one of the leading trade publications of the property business. Being among the top 3 gives us the international recognition and responsibility. Leading the property industry players underlines our corporate efforts and long-term commitments toward excellence.

„The PropertyEu ranking recognizes our successful TriGranit philosophy: we’ve been aiming at being a leading Pan-European property developer. We would rather be the No. 1 in Central-Eastern Europe than heading the lists in each country of the region. The pipeline of over € 8,5 billion of major mixed-use developments positions TriGranit to the top 3, confirming the success of our strategy – commented the ranking Mr. Lorant Varga, CEO of TriGranit.

TriGranit is a fully integrated real estate investment, development and management company. With operations in 10 countries in Central and Eastern Europe, a large portfolio of completed trophy assets, as well as a number of public private partnership (PPP) investments, TriGranit is
well positioned in the growing Central & Eastern European real estate markets.

...and Esplanada was the star of their stand at last year's Real Vienna

[img=http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1262/realviennastandcorporatfi5.th.jpg] (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=realviennastandcorporatfi5.jpg)

sanasa1

February 17th, 2008, 02:54 PM

so esplanada is going to be built?

Corneliu

February 17th, 2008, 02:56 PM

you know you can post all the pictures in ONE post. It's not that we are running out of space here :), it would be just easier for all of us. ONE set of pictures, ONE post.

giovani kun

February 17th, 2008, 03:01 PM

za fairy was kind with us :)

Cosmin

February 17th, 2008, 03:02 PM

You bunch of moaşte lovers, there's no fairy! You've been lied to!:lol:

(Just renders... no news:()

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 03:26 PM

you know you can post all the pictures in ONE post. It's not that we are running out of space here :), it would be just easier for all of us. ONE set of pictures, ONE post.

I'm a dedicated reader of this thread but wasn't much of an active member... and, as obvious, I'm not really talented with computers :p

commodore

February 17th, 2008, 05:59 PM

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8630/towerqe6.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=towerqe6.jpg)

looks better this one. Cheers for sharing sasha :cheers:

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8630/towerqe6.jpg (http://imageshack.us?s=1)

Corneliu

February 17th, 2008, 06:01 PM

I'm a dedicated reader of this thread but wasn't much of an active member... and, as obvious, I'm not really talented with computers :p

it wasn't a criticism.

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 06:20 PM

it wasn't a criticism.

Even if it would have been, I wouldn't have minded it... You live and learn...

Cosmin

February 17th, 2008, 06:25 PM

Hey, sasha, welcome to the forum (forgot about this:D)! Are you from Bucharest? Boy or girl?
Anyway... :cheers:

danim83

February 17th, 2008, 06:34 PM

Oh, ya ! The show must go on ! Post all that you know from za good fairy, please ! :lol: :cheers:

Thanks for the new renders ! It seems that we have something original instead of that "Brancusi style" skyscraper ! :cheers:

not really. in the render with all the buildings, you can see the brancusi building on the other side of the tent (to the left)

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 06:55 PM

Hey, sasha, welcome to the forum (forgot about this:D)! Are you from Bucharest? Boy or girl?
Anyway... :cheers:

Bucharest, female.

giovani kun

February 17th, 2008, 07:32 PM

donno what to say about the design..but the tallest building it looks unimpresive and that's too nice to say :ohno:

Corneliu

February 17th, 2008, 08:28 PM

Bucharest, female.

Hooray to our first Bucharest girl:cheers:

Cosmin

February 17th, 2008, 08:40 PM

^^Indeed!:cheers: Second Romanian girl on this forum that I know of.:)

_sasha

February 17th, 2008, 08:55 PM

Hooray to our first Bucharest girl:cheers:

thanks! very flattering :) .

As per the project, don't be too disappointed or too excited about its design. Consider Murphy and Jahn's concept just the basis for an upcoming detailed architectural proposal. Indeed, the position and functions of the buildings will be as already announced (office, shopping center, cultural, residential and hotel) and the overall GBA will remain unchanged. But, according to some reliable sources, the looks of the buildings could be subject of further changes, in order to integrate the modern design into the speciffics of the city.

emilianmg

February 18th, 2008, 11:59 AM

joce23

February 18th, 2008, 03:29 PM

not really. in the render with all the buildings, you can see the brancusi building on the other side of the tent (to the left)

Yes, but in the new renders the brancusi building looks completely different :

old
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/872/56808821ch0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

new (it looks like two twins together)
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5141/mainviewmicyv2.jpg

nebunul

February 18th, 2008, 04:17 PM

Only different angle …

pescarush

February 18th, 2008, 05:02 PM

same model.

_sasha

February 18th, 2008, 05:22 PM

a picture from condominium I think...I found it here (http://www.standard.ro/articol_30375/bucurestenii_sunt_dezamagiti_de_preturile_piperate_ale_locuintelor_si_de_ofertele_de_pe_piata.html)
http://media2.gruprc.ro/photo/thumbs/300_/112007/107b1e8a85b594f160a77b1b730cc2a5.jpg

The author of the text "recycled" a picture to illustrate the article. The Esplanada model was not exhibited at the residential fair this weekend. I'm sure I would have noticed it.

Darhet

February 19th, 2008, 02:32 AM

Bucharest, female.

Welcome to the forum . HI from Poland!

Very nice one
The facade reminds me Sky tower in Wroclaw ( U/C)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8630/towerqe6.jpg

RODINVEST

February 19th, 2008, 01:36 PM

You forget that all that area was full of houses 25 years ago. those people want their land back or the money for the land(real price). I do not see this project starting in the next 5 years. And personally I would build a park there. Another flaw for this project is the lack of a subway station, Unirii is to far so it needs it's own station.

Le Clerk

February 19th, 2008, 01:38 PM

Another flaw for this project is the lack of a subway station, Unirii is to far so it needs it's own station.

^^ Right!

joce23

February 19th, 2008, 01:42 PM

It`ll SURELY have its own station ! C`mon, this is a serious project ! :cheers:

Le Clerk

February 19th, 2008, 01:43 PM

It`ll SURELY have its own station ! C`mon, this is a serious project ! :cheers:

^^ Is there a proposed subway line I do not know? :cheers:

joce23

February 19th, 2008, 01:48 PM

^^ Et Voila! :cheers:

Do you believe the infrastructure of Bucharest is ready for such a project? How will the Esplanada project affect traffic?

This is a very disputed project. I have heard people say: "God, think of the traffic on Unirii Boulevard. What will happen when this Esplanada mammoth will appear?" Traffic jams happen without the Esplanada project but in all the great cities of the world underground traffic is a top priority. No traditional city can change so as to adapt to new large constructions. So the development of the subway is a possible solution to the traffic problem. But overpasses can solve many of the problems and it has not been excluded that Trigranit company would take part in the construction of such solutions, but we are not aware of such plans from City Hall at the moment. Traffic would remain a problem even if Esplanada were not built. As the Esplanada project is a public-private partnership we will discuss infrastructure problems with Romanian authorities. If the project goes well and we are asked to take part in the solving of the infrastructure problems, we will accept.
(Source: Bucharest Daily News)

* ar fi culmea ridicolului ca la un asemenea proiect sa se ignore problemele de infrastructura ! Sigur se vor gasi solutii !

Le Clerk

February 19th, 2008, 01:49 PM

^^ Thanks, That's good news...and a sign of responsible developers. :cheers:

RODINVEST

February 19th, 2008, 01:56 PM

I am eagerly awaiting the ellection it is becoming imposible to get a permit. Everyone is affraid to sign or stamp even the most insignificant paper. I belive that this project depends on the future mayor.

joce23

February 19th, 2008, 02:01 PM

They should move this project to another city (Constanta, Timisoara, Cluj ...) ! :lol:

Corneliu

February 19th, 2008, 03:56 PM

Commencement of construction: 2008 Project opening: 2010
Investment in million Euro: 1,000
Gross buildable area (m2): 880,000
Function: retail and entertainment, office, residential, cultural
Designer: Murphy & Jahn

That's what it says on Trigranit website, which seems to be regularly updated.

It is also ranked as their no. 1 project., which I guess they're very proud of.

Giuseppe87

February 19th, 2008, 04:06 PM

So we're actually going to get this project? 'cause so far it seems nothing more than an overgrown soap-bubble :lol:

RODINVEST

February 19th, 2008, 06:56 PM

From my point of view I hope they make it a park. :)
It's just competition to me.

Corneliu

February 19th, 2008, 07:52 PM

From my point of view I hope they make it a park. :)
It's just competition to me.

Building a park on the hottest piece of the real estate on the market would be stupid...

RODINVEST

February 20th, 2008, 08:49 AM

I know, but if the city wants to make life better this would be the best option.
I like this project a lot but I do not see it happen.

nebunul

February 20th, 2008, 02:51 PM

A se citi de jos in sus :nuts:

________________________________________
From: Nebunul
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:23 AM
To: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Subject: RE: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domn XXXX,

Va multumesc pentru detalii si va doresc succes in toate proiectele si investitiile pe care le derulati in folosul public.

Cu consideratie,
Nebunul

________________________________________
From: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:09 AM
To: Nebunul
Subject: RE: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

-----Original Message-----
From: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:06 AM
To: Adrian Bold
Subject: RE: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domn,
Referitor la solicitarea Dvs. de a primii informatii publice
privind Proiectul Esplanada, va facem cunoscut urmatoarele:

In urma dezbaterilor CTUAT-PMB, documentatia de urbanism a primit
un Aviz de urbanism PRELIMINAR, CARE VA CONSTITUI SUPORTUL SOLUTIEI PROPUSE PENTRU CONSULTAREA POPULATIEI
SI A INSTITUTIILOR PUBLICE INTERESATE IN CEEA CE PRIVESTE EXTINDEREA ZONEI CENTRALE
PRECUM SI INFORMATIA NECESARA INTOCMIRII TEMEI PENTRU CONCURSUL DE URBANISM SI ARHITECTURA CE SE VA ORGANIZA PENTRU AMPLASAMENTUL ESPLANADA, SOLUTIA FINALA CASTIGATOARE STABILIND INDICATORII URBANISTICI DEFINITIVI.
PRECIZAM FAPTUL CA, CONCURSUL SE VA ORGANIZA DUPA APROBAREA IN CONSILIUL GENERAL AL MUNICIPIULUI BUCURESTI
A DOCUMENTATIEI SUS-MENTIONATE.
CU RESPECT,
ING. XXXXXX XXXXXX

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Bold
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:46 AM
To: 'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Subject: FW: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

-----Original Message-----
From: Nebunul
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Adrian Bold
Cc: Adriean Videanu
Subject: FW: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domn Bold,
Mai incerc inca odata sa apelez la bunavointa dumneavoastra si a primarului general al capitalei in a afla detalii despre proiectul Espanada City Center. Orice informatie (publica) este bine venita.

Va Multumesc!

Cu Stima,
Nebunul

______________________________________________
From: Nebunul
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 12:41 PM
To'xxx@baietii de la primarie .ro'
Subject: Esplanada City Center - Bucuresti - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Stimate Domnule Bold,
Un grup de tineri entuziasti si interesati de proiectele care se desfasoara in capitala va roaga sa le dati citeva informatii (publice desigur) cu privire la proiectul Esplanada (Esplanada City Center). Puteti sa ne comunicati regimul de inaltime si termenul de incepere/finalizare aproximativa a lucrarilor?
Link trigranit - http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=project&id=24&page=1

Va multumim!

Cu Stima,
Nebunul

.............

Deci “SOLUTIA FINALA” inca nu s-a stabilit?!?!?!!? :gaah: :dunno: Sper sa mentina design-ul existent. Poate ne trezim cu o alta Espanada :nono: ... iar macheta asta de sticla e doar o chestie de imagine ?!?!!? ... Nu prea cred pentru ca fost prezentata la Real Viena si alte tirguri de profil ...

^^ ^^

thanks! very flattering :) .

As per the project, don't be too disappointed or too excited about its design. Consider Murphy and Jahn's concept just the basis for an upcoming detailed architectural proposal. Indeed, the position and functions of the buildings will be as already announced (office, shopping center, cultural, residential and hotel) and the overall GBA will remain unchanged. But, according to some reliable sources, the looks of the buildings could be subject of further changes, in order to integrate the modern design into the speciffics of the city.

What about the height?!

RODINVEST

February 20th, 2008, 04:57 PM

My opinion is that esplanada will not get started for at least 5 years. There are many projects in development all of them belong to wealthy romanians/ holy etc. This influential people will not let this project start in this almost perfect location location. When they will have their malls built and sold mabey then this project will start.

nebunul

February 20th, 2008, 05:04 PM

IMO Esplanada will start next year. Why? Because of RothschildS...
My concern is its height :nuts: I can count 55/60F +antenna. But I doubt this somehow...

tomis3

February 20th, 2008, 05:24 PM

IMO Esplanada will start next year. Why? Because of RothschildS...
My concern is its height :nuts: I can count 55/60F +antenna. But I doubt this somehow...

what's wrong with that?

nebunul

February 20th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Nothing ... I hope they'll stick to it but somehow I doubt it ...

emilianmg

February 20th, 2008, 06:14 PM

IMO Esplanada will start next year. Why? Because of RothschildS...
My concern is its height :nuts: I can count 55/60F +antenna. But I doubt this somehow...

Why are you show sure?!:) they are saying that this will start next year for 2 or 3 years...:bash:

nebunul

February 20th, 2008, 10:21 PM

Got my sources. 2009 - they'll start digging :soon:

Cosmin

February 20th, 2008, 10:36 PM

^^Tooth fairy again.:shifty: I damn hope you're right, nebunul. I'm tired of waiting.

commodore

February 21st, 2008, 09:23 PM

Evenimentul zilei, vineri 22 feb 2008 (http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/792980/Avalansa-de-malluri/)
.....
Esplanada. Este un proiect mult dezbătut de autorităţi şi compania Trigranit. Centrul comercial va avea o suprafaţă de 40.000 mp şi va găzdui magazine de lux, cafenele şi un cinematograf. În mijlocul centrului va fi amplasată o staţie de metrou. Finalizare: necunoscut.

tomis3

February 21st, 2008, 10:46 PM

^^^^

Stie cineva ce suprafata are terenul respectiv?

Cosmin

February 21st, 2008, 10:56 PM

Masurat pe Google Earth are cam 106.000 mp, dar considerat dreptunghi, desi nu e chiar dreptunghi. Probabil ca in realitate are vreo 110-112.000 mp.

Klausenburg

February 22nd, 2008, 01:03 AM

^^^^

Stie cineva ce suprafata are terenul respectiv?

In comunicatele de presa ale TriGranit, aparea 107.000 mp

joce23

February 22nd, 2008, 07:47 AM

@_sasha & nebunul: What do you know about this:

TriGranit also plans to establish a five-star resort at Constanta but no further details on the project were made public.
http://www.trigranit.com/index.php?p=hirek&id=166&page=5

* nu cred ca vor face ceva in Constanta. Cel mult poate se vor alatura celor de la Neocity in proiectele de pe bordul lacului Siutghiol.

emilianmg

February 22nd, 2008, 11:37 AM

the new satellite image of Esplanada place from November probably from updated GoogleEarth maps

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/530/esplanadagoogleearthni2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

_sasha

February 22nd, 2008, 01:29 PM

In comunicatele de presa ale TriGranit, aparea 107.000 mp

10,7 hectars

nebunul

February 22nd, 2008, 04:47 PM

@_sasha & nebunul: What do you know about this:

* nu cred ca vor face ceva in Constanta. Cel mult poate se vor alatura celor de la Neocity in proiectele de pe bordul lacului Siutghiol.

:dunno:

nebunul

February 29th, 2008, 02:25 PM

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7743/espgk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://www.evz.ro/article.php?artid=327821#

^^
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5908/esplanadauz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

emilianmg

March 3rd, 2008, 11:18 AM

TriGranit, proiect de 500 mil. euro but not in Romania :ohno:
Standard (http://www.standard.ro/articol_32757/trigranit__proiect_de_500_mil__euro.html)

Dezvoltatorul ungar TriGranit, care dezvolta in Romania proiectul Esplanada, a inceput constructia unui centru comercial de 500 mil. euro in Cracovia, Polonia, potrivit Portfolio. Bonarka City Center (foto) va fi construit pe o fosta platforma industriala in suprafata de 19 hectare. Proiectul va fi dezvoltat in trei faze. Prima faza va cuprinde un centru de retail, servicii si divertisment in valoare de 300 mil. euro, ce va fi finalizat in 2009. (A.U.)

emilianmg

March 13th, 2008, 06:09 PM

Undă verde pentru Esplanada

http://www.capital.ro/usr/imagini/thumb_art_0-11627-capital0021.jpg
Compania maghiara de dezvoltare imobiliara TriGranit a finalizat negocierile cu autoritatile de la Bucuresti in ceea ce priveste semnarea contractului de parteneriat pentru dezvoltarea proiectului imobiliar mixt Esplanada.

Potrivit lui Lorant Varga, CEO al TriGranit Development se mai asteapta doar ca Ministerul Dezvoltarii, Lucrarilor Publice si Locuintei sa-si dea acordul pentru dezvoltarea proiectului gigant ce va fi amplasat in apropierea Pietei Unirii.

"Esplanada este bijuteria de pe coroana noastra, categoric cel mai important proiect pe care TriGranit il va dezvolta", spune acesta.

Investitia necesara pentru acest proiect este de circa un miliard de euro, iar Primaria Capitalei va participa asigurand terenul necesar constructiei. Negocierile pentru parteneriatul cu primaria au inceput in urma cu circa patru ani.

Compania TriGranit este cel mai mare developer imobiliar din Ungaria si unul dintre cei mai mari din Europa de Est, avand proiecte in Ungaria, Croatia, Polonia, Rusia, Slovacia, Slovenia si Romania.

Data: 13 martie 2008

source : capital (http://www.capital.ro/index.php?section=articole&screen=index&id=107701&rss_link=1)

Trigranit a incheiat negocierile cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii pentru proiectul Esplanada

Autor: Ziarul Financiar | Data: 13 Mar 2008

Compania imobiliara Trigranit, unul dintre cei mai mari dezvoltatori din Europa Centrala si de Est, a incheiat negocierile cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii pentru realizarea proiectului Esplanada din Capitala, care va fi realizat in urma unei investitii de circa 800 mil. euro, dupa trei ani de la inceperea discutiilor.

"Negocierea proiectului cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii s-a incheiat. Contractul negociat se afla in faza de avizare la Ministerul Justitiei si Ministerul Economiei si Finantelor. Dupa finalizarea acestor proceduri , putem spera la semnarea acestui contract", a declarat pentru ZF Dan Ghibernea, country manager al companiei Trigranit. Potrivit lui, s-a facut un pas important pentru realizarea proiectului, dar este dintr-un sir mai lung de demersuri care trebuie urmate.
Faptul ca s-au incheiat negocierile cu Ministerul Dezvolatrii inseamna ca mai este o chestiune de cateva saptamani pana va fi semnat contractul. Imediat dupa ce va semna Ministerul Dezvoltarii, vom prelua managementul proiectului la primarie", spune Adriean Videanu, primarul Capitalei.

source ZF (http://www.zf.ro/articol_164802/trigranit_a_incheiat_negocierile_cu_ministerul_dezvoltarii_pentru_proiectul_trigranit.html)

Cosmin

March 13th, 2008, 06:41 PM

OMG! They just took a huge step forward towards actually building Esplanada. I can't believe.:banana::cheers: I'll keep my fingers crossed.:D

pescarush

March 13th, 2008, 06:59 PM

these steps had to be done, i m not surprised. it is a question of time.
meanwhile the project can continue with details phase. or will be organised a contest about it.:nuts:

Le Clerk

March 13th, 2008, 07:11 PM

OMG! They just took a huge step forward towards actually building Esplanada. I can't believe.:banana::cheers: I'll keep my fingers crossed.:D

^^:banana::banana: Imagine going to the site in a few months and taking pictures of cleaning, digging, and finally building works. :dance2::rock::horse:

commodore

March 13th, 2008, 07:33 PM

Undă verde pentru Esplanada

:master::master::master::master::master:

nebunul

March 13th, 2008, 07:44 PM

OMG ... makes me laugh (the nice way) ... we're so excited about this project ... :lol::cheers:
:dance:

OMG! :banana::cheers: :D

^^:banana::banana: :dance2::rock::horse:

:master::master::master::master::master:

Got my sources. 2009 - they'll start digging :soon:

Cosmin

March 13th, 2008, 09:23 PM

^^nebunul, tell your tooth fairy I'll buy her a beer/pizza/juice... wtv she wants.:lol::cheers:

giovani kun

March 13th, 2008, 09:37 PM

^^ I personaly do not see the green light for this project ..where is the signed contract ??..The contract has not been signed yet @!!!!! so we still have to wait :ohno:

Sbz2ifc

March 13th, 2008, 11:10 PM

Investitia necesara pentru acest proiect este de circa un miliard de euro, iar Primaria Capitalei va participa asigurand terenul necesar constructiei. Negocierile pentru parteneriatul cu primaria au inceput in urma cu circa patru ani.

Primaria va asigura terenul? Parca terenul nici nu era al primariei... cand a facut rost de el? ...despre asta nu se mai spune nimic vad.

Oricum aceeasi stire in legatura cu posibila semnare a contractului apare in fiecare an.

Le Clerk

March 13th, 2008, 11:30 PM

Business Review
3/13/2008

TriGranit’s long-awaited Esplanada project downtown Bucharest is just weeks away from signing, after three years of negotiations between the development company and the Romanian state.

“The contract is now analyzed by the Romanian ministry of Justice and by the Ministry of Finances,” Dan Ghibernea, country manager with TriGranit in Romania told Business Review.

Bucharest mayor Adriean Videanu, present at the MIPIM real estate fair in Cannes, confirmed the upcoming signing of the contract. Ghibernea expects two more years to go by until the project can be actually started, however, as the Bucharest City Council still needs to approve it, an architecture contest to be organized as to include Romanian architects and solve the legal issues of the land.

Sbz2ifc

March 14th, 2008, 12:02 AM

^^ Cu alte cuvinte in ultimii trei ani nu s-a intamplat mai nimic.

...iar aceasta unda verde ar putea fi doar o unda electorala... de fapt asa a aparut si proiectul.

giovani kun

March 14th, 2008, 07:52 AM

I can bet that they woun't sign anything this year :ohno: it's just :blahblah:

tomis3

March 14th, 2008, 08:56 AM

I can bet that they woun't sign anything this year :ohno: it's just :blahblah:

Videanu: Contractul pentru proiectul Esplanada va fi semnat in cateva saptamani

Compania imobiliara Trigranit, unul dintre cei mai mari dezvoltatori din Europa Central si de Est, a incheiat negocierile cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii pentru realizarea proiectului Esplanada (foto macheta) din Capitala, care va fi realizat in urma unei investitii cuprinse intre 800 mil. euro si un miliard de euro, dupa trei ani de la inceperea discutiilor.

"Negocierea proiectului cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii

s-a incheiat. Contractul negociat se afla in faza de avizare la Ministerul Justitiei si Ministerul Economiei si Finantelor. Dupa finalizarea acestor proceduri, putem spera la semnarea acestui contract", a declarat pentru ZF Dan Ghibernea, country manager al companiei Trigranit, in cadrul targului imobiliar MIPIM de la Cannes.

otrivit lui Ghibernea, s-a facut un pas important pentru realizarea proiectului, dar este doar unul dintr-un sir mai lung de demersuri care trebuie urmate.

"Faptul ca s-au incheiat negocierile cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii inseamna ca mai este o chestiune de cateva saptamani pana va fi semnat contractul. Imediat dupa ce va semna Ministerul Dezvoltarii, vom prelua managementul proiectului la Primarie", a spus Adriean Videanu, primarul Capitalei.

Primaria va prelua toate drepturile si obligatiile Ministerului Dezvoltarii aferente proiectului de parteneriat public - privat Esplanada, actele si documentele rezultate de la lansarea proiectului pana in prezent, precum si contractele de consultanta, evaluare, in curs de executare, potrivit unui proiect de ordonanta de urgenta a Guvernului, elaborat de institutie si lansat spre dezbatere publica.

Ministerul Dezvoltarii a propus Guvernului sa aprobe transmiterea imobilelor amplasate pe terenul necesar constructiei proiectului Esplanada in administrarea Consiliului General al Municipiului Bucuresti (CGMB), dupa ce vor fi declarate ca fiind de utilitate publica.

Transferul va fi realizat in baza unui protocol care va fi incheiat intre Ministerul Dezvoltarii si CGMB si in termen de 30 de zile de la intrarea in vigoare a ordonantei de urgenta.

In urma acestui transfer, Primaria va finaliza procedurile de parteneriat public-privat si va clarifica situatia terenurilor revendicate in instanta de fostii proprietari.

Trigranit a semnat un memorandum de colaborare in 2006 cu Ministerul Dezvoltarii, care expira in luna iunie a anului curent.

"Dupa ce va fi eliberata ordonanta de urgenta, vom face un concurs de arhitectura pentru proiect impreuna cu Ordinul Arhitectilor din Romania, iar ulterior va trebui sa asteptam ca Primaria sa revolve situatia juridica a terenurilor", spune Ghibernea.

Proiectul Esplanada din zona Unirii din Capitala - unul dintre cele mai mari de pe piata imobiliara - include constructia unui ansamblu de spatii de birouri, locuinte si spatii comerciale, pe o suprafata de teren de peste 10,7 hectare.

Suprafata construita a proiectului este de circa 800.000 de metri patrati.