What have you guys been smoking !!

The same thing you smoke in Qatar apparently :| ! (=Doha Olympic city 2020 or 2024 + Qatar FIFA WC 2022.....)

Cape Town is already ready damn! Just some minor upgrades. Cape Town 2020. Durban 2022 Commonwealth Games. 2017 Iaaf Durban. Rugby World Cup 2023. African Cup of Nations and All Africa games to in 2030's. :cheers::banana:

2020 Cape town
2024 Paris
2028 tokyo
2030 New York

2020 Cape town
2024 Paris
2028 tokyo
2030 New York
All good except there won't be any olympics in 2030 :lol:

That's your opinion, and that's fine. I think Cape Town stands out just fine along with Rio, Vancouver ...as some of the most beautiful cities on earth.

Correct. Every Olympic city needs a key selling point these days.

Rio - First in South America, beautiful setting
London - A global city with a strong legacy from its Games
Beijing - A symbol of China's rise to global importance
Athens - A "homecoming" for the Games
Sydney - Plans for Homebush Bay, beautiful setting

Cape Town is strong in a number of these aspects. It has the natural beauty, the potential to be the first African Games, and could be symbolic (perhaps more so than the World Cup) of South Africa's growth to a modern country.

There are a lot of technical hurdles to overcome when it comes to Cape Town and South Africa as a whole but nothing that would prove fatal to a CT bid; even as early as 2020. That is of course, not to say CT has it in the bag should they bid anytime soon either; I'm just saying the city already has a strong position.

From what I've read accommodation seems to be the biggest issue facing any South African bid. It'll be interesting to see, if they do bid, how they work this out.

2020 Olympics will probably be in US, if not there in Europe then, and that is the reality.

From what I've read accommodation seems to be the biggest issue facing any South African bid. It'll be interesting to see, if they do bid, how they work this out.

Correct. In the 3-5 star category.

Johannesburg 14,500 rooms
Cape Town 10,600 rooms
Durban 6,500 rooms.

This however, is an oversupply of rooms, so no new hotel rooms will be built.

The alternative would be villages which would be good quality housing for various income groups.

There is the possibility of 20,000 beds on cruise ships in Cape Town, something not on offer in Jhb.

There are also over 10,000 residence rooms in Cape Town.

2020-Saint Petersburg
2024-Manila
2028-Madrid
2032-Miami
2036-Yekaterinburg
2040-Auckland
2044-Jakarta
2048-Tallin
2052-Nairobi
2056-Vladivostok :D
Spain and Russiaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Worst list ever Saint Petersburg 6 years after Sochi no way The USA can do it but Russia is no USA Moscow will host the Games in Russia.
Ive been to Manlia. My Step Mum is from their no way That Manila is going to host the Games to Soon i pobely be 104 when Manilla will host the Games in 2088.
Miami weather is Crap to host the Games.

2020 - Delhi
2024 - Delhi
2028 - Delhi
2032 - Delhi
2036 - Delhi
2040 - Delhi

2020 Istanbul
2024 Cape Town
2028 Kuala Lumpur
2032 Rome
2036 Chicago
2040 Moscow

The same thing you smoke in Qatar apparently :| ! (=Doha Olympic city 2020 or 2024 + Qatar FIFA WC 2022.....)

But Haiti.. i mean that sarcasm is not even funny :bash:

Aquatic Complex: The pic is quite funny with 10000 and sketch of people. Are there any stands for spectators or will it be closed doors?:lol:
Equestrian: Is there any Pavillion or any structure or is it a children's playground?
Hockey: Vow, One single side of the pitch with a stand!
Badminton: Is that an Olympic Std training Hall? Does not seem to be of Competition Venue for Gymnastics.
Gr8 imagination though a la Lords for Archery

Mo...
We understand you passion for Capetown to host the SUmmer Games.
Pls post decent pix and hopefully SA Olympic Committee does not post these pix in the bid Document either.:lol:

Antriksh, This is just an evaluation of existing facilities (however, no spectator seat numberw were written....) for a "serious" list we should wait for the bid file. the bid file has maps, plans, numbers, fact and everything else.

Expecting such intelligence from him is hoping for too much.

But Haiti..

huh ??
Haiti ???????

Is it a kind of bashing ????
If so: I thought (thanks to your brilliant Qatari education) you already knew that Haïti is not a French Colony anymore.... since 1804...... !!!

??? :dunno: Sorry, but I didn't understand......

Correct. In the 3-5 star category.

Johannesburg 14,500 rooms
Cape Town 10,600 rooms
Durban 6,500 rooms.

This however, is an oversupply of rooms, so no new hotel rooms will be built.

The alternative would be villages which would be good quality housing for various income groups.

There is the possibility of 20,000 beds on cruise ships in Cape Town, something not on offer in Jhb.

There are also over 10,000 residence rooms in Cape Town.

It would be nice to see how the cruise ship idea works out in Rio as a precedent. It has been done a few times in the U.S. for major events in the U.S. A few years ago Jacksonville, Florida had a few ships while hosting the Super Bowl and it seemed to work out OK.

From what I've read accommodation seems to be the biggest issue facing any South African bid. It'll be interesting to see, if they do bid, how they work this out.

+ 1.
If the WC were to be followed with Summer Games; Paris would not have lost the Summer Games.

huh ??
Haiti ???????

Is it a kind of bashing ????
If so: I thought (thanks to your brilliant Qatari education) you already knew that Haïti is not a French Colony anymore.... since 1804...... !!!

??? :dunno: Sorry, but I didn't understand......

What does French colonialism have anything to do with this :ohno:

Correct. In the 3-5 star category.

Johannesburg 14,500 rooms
Cape Town 10,600 rooms
Durban 6,500 rooms.

This however, is an oversupply of rooms, so no new hotel rooms will be built.

The alternative would be villages which would be good quality housing for various income groups.

There is the possibility of 20,000 beds on cruise ships in Cape Town, something not on offer in Jhb.

There are also over 10,000 residence rooms in Cape Town.

A bit out of topic, How much accommodation is available in SOUTH AFRICA at the moment (Wc 2010)... ??

Expecting such intelligence from him is hoping for too much.

Well,
Do you realy think posting pics from various sources authenticates the faccilties?

Was there any mention in that Pic posting that the Aquatic Centre was going to be anew one with 10K capacity?
Was there any interior pix of the Badminton/Gymnastic arena in the first set of pic posting?
Clarify further, it is one venue with 6K capcity that is mentioned and stated Gymnastics/Badminton. Isn't it childish to claim?
Moreover there is no mention of the Main Stadium either. Surely Green Point is not capable of.

And when people question about such logistical blunder, you are up with swords & spears.
Grow Up.

Antriksh, This is just an evaluation of existing facilities (however, no spectator seat numberw were written....) for a "serious" list we should wait for the bid file. the bid file has maps, plans, numbers, fact and everything else.

A total of 32 venues are proposed.

Three permanent venues will be required if the proposed Aquatic Centre is based as Newlands. Only Two permanent venues will be required if this venue is relocated to a site to allow for a Olympic/World Championship capacity expansion.

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2009/07/31/07/04/4658245_783x1386.JPG

Notes:

1. Renovations planned for the Good Hope Centre will determine its final capacity. Currently its maximum seating capacity is 6,000.

2. Newlands Olympic Arena(s) refers to Newlands Rugby Stadium. A proposal exists which allows a temporary roof cover to be installed, temporarily transforming the venue into an indoor space. Along with temporary seating, two indoors arenas can be created significantly reducing the cost of providing two 15,000 seat indoor venues elsewhere.

3. This venue was designed to accommodate an expansion of up to 10,000 seats. The timber side walls will allow for a temporary expansion from 2,000 to 6,000 seats.

4. The Olympic Velocentre refers to the Bellville Velodrome and Bellville Athletics Stadium which are connected.

5. The Table Mountain Mountain Bike Circuit is used during the Absa Cape Epic competition and consists of a 19km mountain bike route. For the Games, a 6km route is required.

6. The Newlands Olympic Waterpolo centre refers to the Newlands Aquatic Centre proposed by Swimming South Africa. Since the site cannot accommodate large events it cannot act as the main Aquatic Centre. If the Newlands site is not approved and replaced with a larger site, the aquatic centre would thenl replace the additional aquatic centre proposed above.

7. Cape Town Arena refers to the Grand West Arena.

8. Newlands Olympic Archery Centre refers to Newlands Cricket Stadium. The London 2012 Archery competition will be staged as Lords Cricket Ground.

9. The "Olympic Green" refers to the cluster of venues at the Green Point Urban Park.

10. The Berg River is to be renamed after the 17th century Khoi leader Autshumato. The extent of the permanent works required depends on Olympic Rowing Course and Tourism hub currently planned by CnDV and TCTA.

11. The Green Point Tennis centre will be developed using private funds (sale of Rondebosch site) by WP tennis. Extensive use will be made of existing courts refurbished during 2009/2010. This venue will undergo its own planning and environmental approval process.

12. Atlantis Olympic Shooting Centre currently refers to the existing WP Shooting Union facility, the largest shooting range in the Western Cape. The venue has environmental approval to accommodate expansions.

13. Camps Bay Beach has previously hosted FIVB events.

What does French colonialism have anything to do with this :ohno:

As I said, I didn't understand why you mentioned Haïti ???

Well,
Do you realy think posting pics from various sources authenticates the faccilties?

Was there any mention in that Pic posting that the Aquatic Centre was going to be anew one with 10K capacity?
Was there any interior pix of the Badminton/Gymnastic arena in the first set of pic posting?
Clarify further, it is one venue with 6K capcity that is mentioned and stated Gymnastics/Badminton. Isn't it childish to claim?

And when people question about such logistical blunder, you are up with swords & spears.
Grow Up.


1. A few of those images are from Google Street View. Feel free to "authenticate" yourself. In addition most, if not all have hosted International events hosted by the International Federation of that sport.

2. Visit the relevant Aquatic centre link. I will be sure to keep everyone updated. At this stage, an agreement will be signed between Swimming South Africa, and the City of Cape Town. Here are the terms:

Conditions of collaborative agreement

1. SSA to cover costs of rezoning, EIA and other applications required
2. Based on the outcome of the EIA and rezoning process, a full viability study be presented to the City
3. If the project is viable, the city will make the required land available
4. That the City and SSA in conjunction source private developers for the commercial, residential and mixed-use elements of the site, NOT the aquatic centre
5. SSA and the City in conjunction appoint consultants to carry out the detailed design and construction plans for the aquatic centre
6. That an operator/developed be sourced and secured to operate and maintain the aquatic centre
7. A proportion of the income sourced through private development of the site be directed to the aquatic centre
8. A requirement included such that the developer of the private properties on the site
(i) contributes towards the cost of the aquatic centre
(ii) contributes towards the maintenance and operational costs of the aquatic centre

9. Additional costs still required to construction and maintain the aquatic centre be sourced by SSA from National, Provincial government and private donors.

10. Potential income of R75m received by the city through this development be directed to the construction of the aquatic centre.

3. Yes, an interior image was made available. This venue was proposed to host Table Tennis as part of the 2004 Olympic bid and has hosted Table Tennis Federation events.

4. As per IOC recommendations, the sports of Badminton and Rhythmic gymnastics have schedules that allow for venue sharing, lowering the number of new venues required for the Games.

See 2012, 2016 IOC applicant phase report.

Well,
Do you realy think posting pics from various sources authenticates the faccilties?

Was there any mention in that Pic posting that the Aquatic Centre was going to be anew one with 10K capacity?
Was there any interior pix of the Badminton/Gymnastic arena in the first set of pic posting?
Clarify further, it is one venue with 6K capcity that is mentioned and stated Gymnastics/Badminton. Isn't it childish to claim?

And when people question about such logistical blunder, you are up with swords & spears.
Grow Up.

Oh please, you aren't fooling anyone. It's so blatantly obvious that you're intent on bashing anything South African for God knows what reason. I assume it's sour grapes over the fact that both are developing countries, yet South Africa is being granted the privilege of hosting major sporting events, whilst India is not.

As was previously said, Mo posted a brief overview of possible Olympic venues. Anyone of average mental capacity would possess the intelligence to work out the fact that it wasn't meant as an in-depth overview of Cape Town's bid - of which compilation hasn't even started yet. You're on your high horse complaining here when he put in far more effort than you and most other posters have about their potential bid cities.

You didn't ask a question, you came out all guns-a-blazing mocking the venues, but only ended up getting egg on your face in the end. If you'd spent more than a second looking at the proposed Equestrian venue, for example, you would have noticed the sizeable grand stand.

So don't be lecturing others about being up with "swords & spears," as I suggest you remove the forest from your own eye before telling others to take the splinters out of theirs.

A bit out of topic, How much accommodation is available in SOUTH AFRICA at the moment (Wc 2010)... ??
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4388120656_ed52b06c7b_o.jpg

Unless there is a conspiracy, I assume Google Street View is a suitable way of "authenticating venues" in Cape Town.

It would be nice to see how the cruise ship idea works out in Rio as a precedent. It has been done a few times in the U.S. for major events in the U.S. A few years ago Jacksonville, Florida had a few ships while hosting the Super Bowl and it seemed to work out OK.

Cape Town: Cruise ship proposal 1997

http://www.picamatic.com/show/2009/07/16/07/25/4464129_1200x799.JPG

That accommodation level is good (I don't see where the issue is..) Qatar 2022 committee mentioned that there will be 110,000 for the 2022 WC. But for the Olympics I however i think its 40,000 as a minimum... so Cape Town has 29,865 now (way higher than Durban) It would be easy to reach the minimum of 40K and go even higher. BTW i cant see that picture of the cruise ship proposal...

As I said, I didn't understand why you mentioned Haïti ???

go to post 2213 :ohno:

But Haiti.. i mean that sarcasm is not even funny :bash:



Antriksh, This is just an evaluation of existing facilities (however, no spectator seat numberw were written....) for a "serious" list we should wait for the bid file. the bid file has maps, plans, numbers, fact and everything else.

I understand that.
But there has to be some authenticity to the claims.
If such pics are to be posted, every city in the world can post their municipal and school grounds.

go to post 2213 :ohno:

Ahh, ok !

But Haiti.. i mean that sarcasm is not even funny :bash:

Now I get it....Indeed it's as funny as Port-au-Princes 2040 or 2044 + Haïti FIFA WC 2042 :hilarious (:|)

Oh please, you .l........ of theirs.

There you go again.
You cannot take cricitcism or sarcasm to the tiniest extent.
It is like "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions"

And the 50 Km radius of the city accomodation is questionable too....
You know what enjoy in your wonderland.

That accommodation level is good (I don't see where the issue is..) Qatar 2022 committee mentioned that there will be 110,000 for the 2022 WC. But for the Olympics I however i think its 40,000 as a minimum... so Cape Town has 29,865 now (way higher than Durban) It would be easy to reach the minimum of 40K and go even higher. BTW i cant see that picture of the cruise ship proposal...



go to post 2213 :ohno:

29,865 includes rooms across all categories and accommodation types.

The IOC requires 3-5 star rooms, or at least mostly, 3-5 star rooms to meet the 40,000 requirement. This will have to be met by University residennces, cruise ships and a media village(s)

Cape Town only has about 12,000 rooms in 3-5 star.

There you go again.
You cannot take cricitcism or sarcasm to the tiniest extent.
It is like "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions"

And the 50 Km radius of the city accomodation is questionable too....
You know what enjoy in your wonderland.

There's a very, very big difference between criticism and stupidity. Your comments unfortunately belong solely to the latter category.

But of course you with your heightened knowledge of Cape Town and all things Olympic would know how many beds with have within 50km of Cape Town, or whether venues are suitable for the Olympics. Pathetic.

And the 50 Km radius of the city accomodation is questionable too....
You know what enjoy in your wonderland.

IOC applicant phase report:

The assessment took into consideration existing and planned hotel rooms within a radius of 50km of the city centre, planned media villages and cruise ship utilisation.

The Working Group noted that media accommodation represents an important proportion of the total needs, as the benchmark provides for between 15,000 and 17,000 rooms for media (broadcasters, written press and photographers), which is by far the largest constituent group.

The 3-5 star room rates provided by each city were evaluated against a benchmark which the Working Group based on the room rates provided by the Beijing bid in 2000, adjusted for inflation to 2003 (3 star = USD 149; 4 star = USD 214; 5 star = USD 274). However, hotel rates have not been taken into account in the grades

THE SUMMER OLYMPICS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAT THOSE OF SUMMER FOR WHAT RUSSIA CAN GET THEM AFTER SOCHI

Tokyo Have 87,000 Hotel Rooms
Madrid have 70,000 Hotel Rooms

DOHA 2020http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3889/qatar.gif (http://img249.imageshack.us/i/qatar.gif/)

Previous sport events hosted

Gulf Cup of Nations 1976 (8 teams)
AFC U-17/16 Championship 1985, 1986, 1994 & 1998 (16 Teams)
AFC Youth Championship 1988
AFC Asian Cup 1988 (10 Teams)
FIFA World Youth Championship 1995 (16 Teams)
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7164/fifawyc1995.gif

Asian Men's Volleyball Championship 1997 (17 Teams)
ABC Under-20 Championship 2000 (14 Teams)
AFC Youth Championship 2002 (12 Teams)
Asian Men's Handball Championship 2004 (9 Teams)
World Team Table Tennis Championships 2004
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3505/2004b.jpg

Gulf Cup of Nations 2004 (8 teams)
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2245/gulfcup2004lg.gif

Asian Junior Men's Volleyball Championship 2004 (16 Teams)
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2500/240px2004asianjuniormen.png

World Weightlifting Championships 2005
FIBA Asia Championship 2005 (16 Teams)
Men's Youth World Handball Championship 2005 (10 Teams)
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9555/2005worldyouthhandball.png

West Asian Games 2005 (13 Nations, 1200 Athletes, 11 Sports)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9519/3rdwestasiangames.png

Asian Games 2006 (45 Nations, 13000 Athletes, 39 Sports)
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1533/img212057940.jpg

Asian Indoor Athletics Championships 2008 (29 Nations)
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6636/200px2008asianindoorath.png

FIVB Men's Club World Volleyball Championship 2009 (8 Teams)
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7003/180px2009fivbmen27sclub.png

Qatar Exxonmobil Open (1993-Present)
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9798/qatarexxonmobilopenlogo.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/qatarexxonmobilopenlogo.jpg/)

Qatar Total Open (2001-2008)
WTA Tour Championships (2008-2010)
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3396/secd.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/secd.jpg/)

IAAF Indoor Championships 2010 (146 Nations, 585 Athletes)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2576/55579fulllnd.jpg

FIBA Asia Champions Cup 2010 (10 Teams)
http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/231/doha2010logo.jpg

IHF Super Globe (2002 & 2010)
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9114/201020superglobe20logo2.jpg

World 9-Ball Championship 2010
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8959/w9bc.png


And in the near future :

AFC Asian Cup 2011 (16 Teams)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/2361/180px2011afcasiancupcre.png

Pan Arab Games 2011 (22 Nations)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/113/114219.jpg

Asian Indoor & Martial Arts 2013

There are more sport not mentioned above such as, Tour of Qatar (2002-present), Qatar Masters (1998-present), Qatar Motorcycle Grand Prix (2004-present) and more....

Also Bidding for:

2011 FIBA World Club Championship

2020 Summer Olympics

2022 FIFA World Cup
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5829/qatar2022bidlogo.jpg


Previous Olympic bids:

Doha 2016 Applicant city
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1916/20071026doha2016.jpg

wow very interesant :) :) :)

Doha is one of the most aggressive cities when it comes to bidding for sports events.

It would be better if we had individual threads rather than one big thread with everything mixed up in here... but i am not sure if its the right time. maybe after the 2018 & 2022 World Cup hosts is announced ?

Doha is one of the most aggressive cities when it comes to bidding for sports events.

Certainly.. But Paris is even more aggressive... and hosted/hosts many world competitions...... (i mean "world scale" competitions)

:runaway:


PARIS 2020 or 2024 !!!!!

Certainly.. But Paris is even more aggressive... and hosted/hosts many world competitions...... (i mean "world scale" competitions)

:runaway:



weather that was true or not, Mo did say "one of the most"

^^ And I said: "Certainly" ! ;)

It's all great that Doha got those events but did anyone acctualy hear about them? I for one know I didn't hear about, Asian Indoor Athletics Championships 2008.

weather that was true or not, Mo did say "one of the most"

Well its very different. Paris has decades of know-how, a major market, experience in hosting events that only a handful of cities could compare with. There is no point in trying to make any comparisons with Paris.


This is very different to a "newer" city like Doha, hosting various regional and international events to boost its profile and make use of its venues.

Well its very different. Paris has decades of know-how, a major market, experience in hosting events that only a handful of cities could compare with. There is no point in trying to make any comparisons with Paris.

IMO, you're right.. but when I try to compare MY city with London (where I lived)... or NYC (where I've been several times) or even Tokyo... Then my city can't support the comparison :( (except with London :horse:)

So, please, feel free to post a list of cities which are comparable with my big village.... :)

It's all great that Doha got those events but did anyone acctualy hear about them? I for one know I didn't hear about, Asian Indoor Athletics Championships 2008.

The point is that they happened :)

IMO, you're right.. but when I try to compare MY city with London (where I lived)... or NYC (where I've been several times) or even Tokyo... Then my city can't support the comparison :( (except with London :horse:)

So, please, feel free to post a list of cities which are comparable with my big village.... :)

SSC tends to dislike the City vs City & Country vs Country posts....

There you go again.
You cannot take cricitcism or sarcasm to the tiniest extent.
It is like "A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions"

And the 50 Km radius of the city accomodation is questionable too....
You know what enjoy in your wonderland.
As Lydon said, there's criticism and there's stupidity.
Remind me what stage Delhi's bid for 2020 is at...oh yeah, they cancelled it...
You're so obviously jealous that Cape Town does not only have a good chance of hosting the olympics before Delhi, but is also hosting the WC as we speak.
I understand what Mo and Lydon would be thinking, if you said those sorts of things about London 2012, just because you were jealous, then I wouldn't be too happy.
Shut it, before the mods get to you...

Cape Town Fan Walk: Germany vs. Argentina

(Click on image to view larger version)
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The point is that they happened :)
SSC tends to dislike the City vs City & Country vs Country posts....

It "tends" indeed.. but, actually, it does anyway (starting with your own propaganda, which implies some answers imho) !

go to post 2213 :ohno:

Haiti wants to bid for the 2216 Olympics! :bash:

DAVID OWEN: Mega events
Published: 2010/06/25 08:44:56 AM

GOOD news: I think I have seen Africa’s first Olympic city. Bad news (for Gauteng): it is not Johannesburg. Now that SA has hosted the “Big Three” team-sport World Cups of rugby, cricket and football, there remains only one more milestone when it comes to putting on major sports events: the Olympic Games.

It is a daunting proposition. Unlike World Cups, responsibility falls squarely on a single city. And, whereas the Fifa World Cup schedules at most four matches in a single day, the Olympic Games can have a dozen, maybe 15 sports taking place simultaneously. The Games, moreover, are literally global, including competitors from more than 200 countries, as opposed to the 32 that have been vying for the 2010 World Cup.

Staging a successful Olympics requires great discipline, top-notch organisational skills and the best technology. Aspirant hosts also need to acquaint themselves with a litany of quirkier, more Olympic-specific preferences and values. These tend to shift with the times. At the moment, they include strong “green” credentials, first-rate amenities for the disabled, an aversion to “white elephants” (venues with no hope of ever paying for themselves) and compactness — the location of as many venues as possible in as small an area as possible. Oh, and it must also look good on television.

There is one South African city I have visited in the past three thrilling weeks that has the potential to deliver this demanding Olympic shopping list almost to the letter.

As I have said, it is not Johannesburg, which besides overcoming the daunting logistical challenges we all know about, would have to persuade the International Olympic Committee (IOC) that its relatively high altitude would not unacceptably inconvenience the athletes. Nor is it picturesque Cape Town, which mounted an unsuccessful challenge for the 2004 Games . It is Durban.

Strolling to Moses Mabhida Stadium for the first time from my beachfront hotel to watch Switzerland upset Spain, I was struck by how the environs might have been created by Olympic Central Casting in Lausanne.

First, there was the glorious, largely pedestrianised beachfront itself, consisting of a range of hotels and a vibrant restaurant and casino complex. Then there were the other sporting amenities close to hand: an Olympic- sized swimming pool, a top-notch rugby stadium, a cycling track, world-class golf courses…. Finally, of course, there was the new stadium, with its signature arch, its designed capability of being expanded to the required Olympic capacity (about 80000) and, crucially, enough space in the arena for an Olympic athletics track. I should also mention the brand new airport that should prove a big factor in putting this city of 3,5-million ever more firmly on the international map.

What I didn’t know was whether Durban’s movers and shakers were aware of the city’s potential Olympic destiny.

“It will be the tightest Olympics ever.” In his architecture firm’s offices on the 18th floor of a Durban tower block, Ruben Reddy has sketched out for me a neat oblong. At one end is the city centre, at the other the Umgeni river. His point is that just about everything you would need to lay on for an Olympics, including water and equestrian events that are often a long way from the host city, can be accommodated within the oblong. As a senior adviser to Cape Town’s bid, this is a subject on which Reddy speaks with authority.
Barely a block away in his office in Durban’s City Hall, Michael Sutcliffe, city manager, fills in the detail. He even marks on my map where Durban’s Olympic Village might be situated, on the site of a former drive-in cinema. “We believe Durban is best placed as the African city for the Summer Olympics,” he tells me.

Like the gestation cycle of elephants, winning an Olympic Games is a long-drawn- out process. The 2016 Games have already been awarded to Rio de Janeiro — just two years after Brazil hosts the next Fifa World Cup. So the first Summer Olympics on offer is 2020 — a whole decade away. Knowing something about the way this process works, moreover, I would not expect Durban’s best chance to come until 2024.

But to strengthen the prospects of an African Olympics in 14 years’ time, a 2020 bid needs to be mounted. And with selection of Olympic host cities taking place seven years before the event, preparations must start almost the minute the World Cup trophy is lifted in the Calabash on July 11.

When I reached Gideon Sam, president of SA’s Olympic governing body, Sascoc, this week, he confirmed that the clock on a possible South African bid is about to start ticking. As early as August or September, he told me, consultations are to start with a “very broad spectrum” of interest groups, including government and business, as well as the IOC itself, to gauge whether there is an appetite for a South African bid.

If that process turns up a positive result — and I would be amazed if it doesn’t, given that President Jacob Zuma already sounds keen — Sam confirms that an internal competition between South African cities would be staged. “In all probability it would be next year.”

With so many expensive new stadiums in the country — every one of which will be crying out for events once the cream of the world’s footballers have gone home — I would expect competition to be fierce, with Durban, Johannesburg and Cape Town all likely to press their claims. And while I am in no position to judge how local politics might affect the outcome, if the contest is judged on pure sporting and infrastructural merit, I would expect Durban to win.

SA has two further important assets when it comes to making a convincing pitch to Olympic power brokers. One is a simple fact: the Olympic Games — like the Fifa World Cup until this year — has never been staged in Africa. The same argument applied to South America was successfully deployed by Rio in beating off the likes of Madrid, Tokyo and Chicago, Obama factor and all, to win the 2016 Games.

Utili sed in the right way, this would be a powerful argument in the armoury of any South African bidder. Util ised the wrong way — that is, presuming that this argument alone will win the day for Africa — would be disastrous and could set the continent’s Olympic cause back a long way.

The reason I am confident that a South African candidate city would not make this mistake, lies in the other key asset SA can draw on. This is Durban-born Sam Ramsamy, an IOC member since 1995, and a man who knows the Olympic Movement like few others on the planet. Ramsamy, 72, is an unassuming man. Yet I would think he must have been the prime mover behind another initiative by Durban that I would characterise as a potential masterstroke.

A year from now, the IOC’s 123rd Session, in effect its annual meeting, is to be held in Durban. This means that pretty much all 100- plus IOC members — the electorate for the purposes of choosing an Olympic host — will visit the city, most of them accompanied by their spouses.

With all manner of restrictions applied to member visits to candidate cities once their names are officially in the frame, this is an out-and-out coup. It is one of the reasons why I believe this once rather sleepy and neglected port city has established a commanding lead in SA’s coming Olympic race. As for Durban’s prospective rivals, it seems to me they are in grave peril of being left at the starting gate.

* Owen is a former Sports Editor of the London Financial Times, spending two decades with the paper in the UK, US, Canada and France.

SOURCE: http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=112933

Durban 0_o !! I hope NOT...

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Some of the venues proposed by the Doha 2016 bid (changes might be done for 2020 bid)

Al-Shaqab Equestrian Centre

Equestrian venue (Dressage, Jumping & Eventing).
Gross seating capacity: 12,000

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Almost complete now
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Aspire Dome

Indoor Hall #1
Basketball venue
Gross seating capacity: 15,000

Indoor Hall #2
Handball venue
Gross seating capacity: 10,000

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Hamad Aquatic Center

Aquatics venue (Water polo)
Gross seating capacity: 4,000

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Aspire Arena

Weightlifting venue
Gross seating capacity: 3,000

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Khalifa Tennis Center

Tennis venue
Gross seating capacity: 12,000

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AlSadd Stadium

Hockey venue
Gross seating capacity: 12,000

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Al-Gharrafa Sports Hall

Badminton venue
Gross seating capacity: 5,000

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Did you know during the 2016 bidding process, 70% of the needed Olympic venues in Doha are already complete ?

DOHA 2020Hockey venue
Gross seating capacity: 12,000

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Did you know during the 2016 bidding process, 70% of the needed Olympic venues in Doha are already complete ?

You have posted a natural turf football stadium instead of the Synthetic turf requirement for Hockey.
Weightlifting venue is like an arena but not an auditorium type.This does not fit the bill.
You should rather propose some indoor auditorium with spectators facing the field of play from front.
The facility shown by you can be used as a Fencing venue with additional temporary seats totalling to >4K.



By Oct 2010 even Delhi would be ready with 65% and by 2014 80% ready with the new Stadia coming up at the F1 Track Sports City.
It would have an 100K (By 2011 40K) outdoor stadium, 5 to 6K indoor Stadium acting as competition venues; along with Astroturf for Hockey, Synthetic track for athletics, Olympic Size swimming pools as possible practice venues.

These would be in addition to the infrastructure that would be ready for CWG 2010.
Would restrain from posting pix till most are ready by Oct 2010.

Delhi & Doha are prepared or preparing themselves unlike some meritricrious city claims.
what if 2020 were to be an all "D" bid city?
Delhi, Doha, Durban....

As Lydon said, there's criticism and there's stupidity.
Remind me what stage ..... to you...

Has any SAn city officially submitted the bid or has IOC started accepting the bids?
Your despise just portrays your envy.
The rest you explained yourself.

Why should India even worry about WC Football if they know there is not much following?
Why should resources/time be wasted on something which leaves a white elephant after the event, just for the heck of it that, we too hosted?

Delhi/India does not want to waste money on such issues.
If there comes a consensus, Delhi can go for a strong bid.
Just remember, Hamilton in 2003 was offering USD 25000 as preparatory grant to all CW member OCs to win votes.
Delhi out bid by putting up 100K per nation.

Hope you are watching the billboards on the sidelines of this World Cup.
You see Emirates, Continental & Mahindra Satyam - an Indian conglomerate.
I hope you understand how much money is to be poured in to reach there.
Watch Cricket WC or Hockey Champions trophy/WC you will how much Indian Sponsors can pour in for these events.

The whole Europe came into the Mortgage/Insurance Economic debacle which happened back in America as their Insurance/Banking sector just blindly followed the US.
A cautious approach by India totally buffered India from this impact even though other Asian Economies Japan, Korea suffered.
India was even undettered by the 1998 - 2000 South East Asian Economic crisis also.

If a resolve does come up to host, don't you worry Delhi will post a strong bid.
The legacy and logistics need to be thoruoghly reviewed before undertaking such a massive event.
Otherwise Montreal/Athens repeats can be more often witnessed.

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That is a good post.

I'm really curious, does someone have an idea of what components would be a part of a Delhi Olympic Bid? I understand that unless the bid is in that there is no solid reference (same with other potential bid cities), but I am really interested to see what components a Delhi bid would include (as far as venues, ideas for the "spirit of the games", transportation, hotels, and legacy).

I checked GamesBids.com but I couldn't find anything...

Thanks all :)

I'm really curious, does someone have an idea of what components would be a part of a Delhi Olympic Bid? I understand that unless the bid is in that there is no solid reference (same with other potential bid cities), but I am really interested to see what components a Delhi bid would include (as far as venues, ideas for the "spirit of the games", transportation, hotels, and legacy).

I checked GamesBids.com but I couldn't find anything...

Thanks all :)

I shall try post those by August once the official pics are released of the various projects being completed, would realy help authenticate the post.

A gist..... if Delhi does bid
Main/athletics Stadium : JL Nehru Stadium 65K
Aquatic Complex : SPM Complex Indoor 6K
New Constructions: They may even propose a new bigger Aquatic complex.
Otherwise can follow what Barcelona & Athens did.
Hockey : National Stadium 20 K (3 Astro Turfs)
Football : New Stadium - Construction under FIFA auspices from 2011. Few more across the country for prelims.
Volleyball/Basketball : Indira Gandhi Indoor Stadium with sound proof separation screen 10K in either half with such a configuration.
Prelims Volleyball : NOIDA Indoor Stadium to be completed by 2014 - >5K
Prelims Basketball : IGI II Indoor Hall - 7K

Handball Prelims/Rhythmic Gymanstics: Thygaraja Indoor Stadium - >5K for Summer OG
Gymnastics/Handball Knockout: Refurbished/New Indoor Hall at Pragati Maidan Exhibiton Centre - >14K
Wrestling/Judo/Taekwondo : Refurbished Pragati Exhibition Centre Indoor Halls - 5K Capacity

Weightlifting : JLN Indoor Weightlifting Hall - 2.5K
Badminton : Siri Fort Indoor Stadium - 5K for Summer OG
Boxing : Yamuna Indoor Stadium - 6K for Summer OG
Fencing : Talkatora Stadium >4K for Summer OG
Table Tennis : New Indoor Hall with temporary capacity of 5K

Cycling : IGI velodrome 4K
Shooting : Karni Singh Ranges
Archery : India Gate Central Vista
Equestrian : Refurbished Karnail Singh Stadium - 20K
Lawn Tennis : DLTA Complex, II Court 5K ready, centre Court >10K to be built.

Golf : NOIDA Golf Course - European PGA Indian Open Host
Rugby : Feroz Shah Kotla/Delhi University Stadium

Temporary Venues
Canoeing/Kayaking : Yamuna River, Delhi Temporary venue.
Sailing : Goa Beach
Beach Volleyball : Temporary Venue Delhi/Goa
Triathlon : Delhi Yamuna Banks or Goa Temporary venue
Modern Pentathlon : Delhi outskirts

In addition, 100K Cricket stadium at F1 Track is coming up near to CWG Village, to be complete by 2014 irrepsective of the Olympic Games.
Delhi can do what Rio did, Maracana Cermonies/Football and Joao Havelange for Athletics. Similarly, the new Cricket stadium for ceremonies and JL Nehru stadium for Athletics can be used.
So effectively a maximum of 4 new stadia need to be constructed.

In addition there are 3 Synthetic tracks, 2 Football grounds, 1 with 6K at Shivaji stadium astrotuf for Hockey turf, 2 Rugby grounds, 4 indoor Halls etc... as practice venues already for CWG.
The Colleges/Universities in Delhi can be used for furthering up the practice infrastructure.
The completed/existing project pics shall be posted later.

Other infrastructure Delhi has more than 25K rooms within 50K radius.

For transport you can check the DMRC website, which shall have > 360KM metro train service, >150 Km of BRTS service by 2020 irrespective of the OG. Presently the Metro is > 180 KM and BRTS around >30KM.

The ever expanding Delhi airport opened the 34 Million capacity T3 last week which was praised by BBC to be better than what Heathrow got for the money spent for T5. It shall be expanding to > 70 Million by 2020 irrespective of the OG.

RIO claimed World Military Games & Pan American Games hosting to be an asset.
Hyderabad, India hosted the 2003 Afro Asian games (>4.5K atheltes and 80 countries) and World Military Games in 2007.
India, knows what needs to be done at what time and are just waiting for an opportune moment to declare Delhi's willingness to bid.

Thanks antriksh sfo! I really appreciate the concise overview. :)

What about Dhyan Chand?

Has any SAn city officially submitted the bid or has IOC started accepting the bids?
Your despise just portrays your envy.
The rest you explained yourself.

Why should India even worry about WC Football if they know there is not much following?
Why should resources/time be wasted on something which leaves a white elephant after the event, just for the heck of it that, we too hosted?

Delhi/India does not want to waste money on such issues.
If there comes a consensus, Delhi can go for a strong bid.
Just remember, Hamilton in 2003 was offering USD 25000 as preparatory grant to all CW member OCs to win votes.
Delhi out bid by putting up 100K per nation.

Hope you are watching the billboards on the sidelines of this World Cup.
You see Emirates, Continental & Mahindra Satyam - an Indian conglomerate.
I hope you understand how much money is to be poured in to reach there.
Watch Cricket WC or Hockey Champions trophy/WC you will how much Indian Sponsors can pour in for these events.

The whole Europe came into the Mortgage/Insurance Economic debacle which happened back in America as their Insurance/Banking sector just blindly followed the US.
A cautious approach by India totally buffered India from this impact even though other Asian Economies Japan, Korea suffered.
India was even undettered by the 1998 - 2000 South East Asian Economic crisis also.

If a resolve does come up to host, don't you worry Delhi will post a strong bid.
The legacy and logistics need to be thoruoghly reviewed before undertaking such a massive event.
Otherwise Montreal/Athens repeats can be more often witnessed.
Why would I be envious? I'm not South African, Im British. We are a developed nation with the worlds financial capital and second biggest tourist destination, who are hosting the olympics in 2012, preparations for which are going very well, ahead of time, in fact, which will be our third Olympic games, and we are one of the main contenders to host the 2018 World Cup. We've hosted 5 Commonwealth games, with Glasgow set to host in 2014. And yet you say that Im envious because you are hosting your first big event this year.
Yeah, Im sure Delhi would put in a good bid when the time comes, but that time won't come for decades yet.

Thanks antriksh sfo! I really appreciate the concise overview. :)

What about Dhyan Chand?

Dhyan Chand Stadium is the Natonal Hockey Stadium

Why would I be envious? I'm not.... decades yet.
Hopefully before or around the time UK gets to host WC Football.

^^
Shame, we hosted it in 1966, unless you can go back in time and make Delhi host the 1964 games, I doubt that'll happen.

^^
Shame, we hosted it in 1966, unless you can go back in time and make Delhi host the 1964 games, I doubt that'll happen.

December is far and your spirits are already low.

You have posted a natural turf football stadium instead of the Synthetic turf requirement for Hockey.
Weightlifting venue is like an arena but not an auditorium type.This does not fit the bill.
You should rather propose some indoor auditorium with spectators facing the field of play from front.
The facility shown by you can be used as a Fencing venue with additional temporary seats totalling to >4K.


You know i got these from the Doha 2016 bid, I didn't just choose randomly, I think the officials that have put the bid together know what they are doing... :)

You know i got these from the Doha 2016 bid, I didn't just choose randomly, I think the officials that have put the bid together know what they are doing... :)

No. antriksh_sfo knows better.

It's like 47-50 Celcius in the Gulf this week, right? An Olympics in that region will be disastrous, no doubt.

:banana:i like TOKYO, JAPAN to host the 2020 Summer Olympic Games

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It's like 47-50 Celcius in the Gulf this week, right? An Olympics in that region will be disastrous, no doubt.

nonsense, 42 Celsius is about right. Have you heard about outdoor air-conditioning ? Thats the "new thing" in Doha. other than that, many events will be indoors, not to mention having events at night. It can "work". hosting events at night is not new, Tennis and Moto Gp (motor sport racing) are already held at night in Doha.

Money and the miracles it could do :|

Has any SAn city officially submitted the bid or has IOC started accepting the bids?
Your despise just portrays your envy.
The rest you explained yourself.

Why should India even worry about WC Football if they know there is not much following?
Why should resources/time be wasted on something which leaves a white elephant after the event, just for the heck of it that, we too hosted?

Delhi/India does not want to waste money on such issues.
If there comes a consensus, Delhi can go for a strong bid.
Just remember, Hamilton in 2003 was offering USD 25000 as preparatory grant to all CW member OCs to win votes.
Delhi out bid by putting up 100K per nation.

Hope you are watching the billboards on the sidelines of this World Cup.
You see Emirates, Continental & Mahindra Satyam - an Indian conglomerate.
I hope you understand how much money is to be poured in to reach there.
Watch Cricket WC or Hockey Champions trophy/WC you will how much Indian Sponsors can pour in for these events.

The whole Europe came into the Mortgage/Insurance Economic debacle which happened back in America as their Insurance/Banking sector just blindly followed the US.
A cautious approach by India totally buffered India from this impact even though other Asian Economies Japan, Korea suffered.
India was even undettered by the 1998 - 2000 South East Asian Economic crisis also.

If a resolve does come up to host, don't you worry Delhi will post a strong bid.
The legacy and logistics need to be thoruoghly reviewed before undertaking such a massive event.
Otherwise Montreal/Athens repeats can be more often witnessed.

Congratulations on perhaps the biggest nonsensical rant I've seen in a long time. What half of that has to do with sport is beyond me :hilarious

Congratulations on perhaps the biggest nonsensical rant I've seen in a long time. What half of that has to do with sport is beyond me :hilarious

As expected, some things are beyond your level.

You know i got these from the Doha 2016 bid, I didn't just choose randomly, I think the officials that have put the bid together know what they are doing... :)

So you are saying you just quoted from the official book.
Dont you know Hockey is played on astro turf and not natural turf?
Field of play have lines that of a football ground.

2020-EUROPE
2024-ASIA OR AFRICA

So you are saying you just quoted from the official book.
Dont you know Hockey is played on astro turf and not natural turf?
Field of play have lines that of a football ground.

And don't you know i just said it was the venue ? they could easily change the ground if they wanted.....

CAPE TOWN WOULD BE THE ONE GETTING THE 2020, BUT NEW ORLEANS MAY BID FOR 2024 OLYMPIC

And don't you know i just said it was the venue ? they could easily change the ground if they wanted.....

Just like Atlanta.

A small 10-20,000 football venue makes all the sense in the world for hockey.

London's temporary venue is disappearing after the Games with a 3-5,000 permanent venue at Eton Manor.

Sydney's venue like Cape Town, has a grandstand and an additional warm-up field.

Beijing's venue was like Sydney, 3/4 temporary.

So if you have a small permanent football venue, why put up scaffolding when you can just use the existing facility.

Why build an "archery" stadium when you can use an existing cricket venue. or any other small to medium stadium.

So you are saying you just quoted from the official book.
Dont you know Hockey is played on astro turf and not natural turf?
Field of play have lines that of a football ground.

if Qatar can master the art of air conditioning a five a side outdoor soccer stadium, I reckon they can master the art of:

1) dig up grass
2) replace with new pitch and astro turf

then again, it does sound complicated....

if Qatar can master the art of air conditioning a five a side outdoor soccer stadium, I reckon they can master the art of:

1) dig up grass
2) replace with new pitch and astro turf

then again, it does sound complicated....

But then again, Money sounds cha ching... a new turf is coming :lol:

As expected, some things are beyond your level.

Yes, like the concept of replacing grass with an astroturf. Higher grade stuff! :lol:

Interesting small comparison using Wikipedia.

Doha 2006 Asian Games:

Nations: 45
Athletes: 13,000
Sports: 39

Beijing 2008 Summer Olympics:

Nations: 204
Athletes: 11,028
Sports: 28

So Doha had more athletes and sports being played during the Doha Asian games than the 2008 Olympics ! :nuts:

Interesting small comparison using Wikipedia.

Doha 2006 Asian Games:

Nations: 45
Athletes: 13,000
Sports: 39

Beijing 2008 Summer Olympics:

Nations: 204
Athletes: 11,028
Sports: 28

So Doha had more athletes and sports being played during the Doha Asian games than the 2008 Olympics ! :nuts:

Cape Town wants to bid for the World Gymnaestrada in 2019 with 20,000!

Our annual cycle race has 38,000 cyclists, over 1 day, the world's largest timed cycle race.

December is far and your spirits are already low.
What low spirits? How did you deduce that from what I said? You said Delhi should get the Olympic Games before England ever gets the chance to host the World Cup, I said we hosted in 1966, so unless time travel has been invented, you are wrong. In what way does that mean I don't have high hopes for 2018? Sure, we'll have a fight on our hands with the Russians, who are now probably favourites, but we came from behind to beat Paris in 2012, who says we can't do it again? Spirits are certainly high for 2018 over here, despite the sh*t the tabloids say.

If Delhi fail during the 2010 Commonwealth games, which, for the sake of the sane Indian posters on here, I hope it doesn't, you will end up with so much egg on your face you will suffocate. I'd keep your whining mouth shut until afterwards, all well and good saying that South Africans are over patriotic idiots who can't host big sporting events and Qatari's don't understand field hockey, when you don't even know how well your country will handle these things.

All you're achieving at the moment is making yourself look like the spiteful, two-faced brat you probably are.

Qatar just give up you not getting the Games Dubai, UAE will be the Only city in the Middle east will get the Games.
Cape Town needs to do a lot more Work to get the Olympics when going up cities like Rome, Italy. Madrid, Spain. Tokyo, Japan and Toronto, Canada.
It wont be easy for Cape Town.
Rome and Tokyo has all readly to host the Games.
Toronto hosted the 1976 Paralympics and 2015 Pan American Games.
Madrid a booming city in Western Europe and if Choseing then the Games would be going for the memory to Jaun antio Samaranch .
It is going to be Hard for Cape Town.
it took Rio de Janeiro 5 Trys to get the Games and the Reason why they got the 2016 Games becouse they put on the Best ever Pan American Games in 2007.
Cape Town hosted 8 Games of the FIFA this Year But Cape Town needs to host 1 more thing to get the Olympics and that is the Commonwealth Games iver the 2022 or 2026 Games.

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Madrid, Spain
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Bangkok, Thailand
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Paris, France or Athens, Greece
2048 Toronto, Canada

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nonsense, 42 Celsius is about right. Have you heard about outdoor air-conditioning ? Thats the "new thing" in Doha. other than that, many events will be indoors, not to mention having events at night. It can "work". hosting events at night is not new, Tennis and Moto Gp (motor sport racing) are already held at night in Doha.

Money and the miracles it could do :|

Qatar Son, as most of us would be aware of the eco Outdoor Airconditioning systems being developed by your country. Has there been any discussion into how to manage some of the Olympic sports that are played out in less than "closed" zones such as Marathon, Mountain Biking, Walking, Golf, Road Cycling?

It would be interesting to hear the solutions to keeping a runner cool when I believe you or another Qatari mentioned on the 2022 World Cup thread that the temperature can lingure in the 40's well past sunset during summer.

Obviously some of those sports would have been in the Asian Games Qatar hosted, how was it handled then?

NEW ORLEANS GOING TO BID FOR 2024 OLYMPIC. CAPE TOWN IS GONNA WIN FOR 2020 BY MAJORITY VOTE

Qatar Son, as most of us would be aware of the eco Outdoor Airconditioning systems being developed by your country. Has there been any discussion into to how manage some of the Olympic sports that are played out in less than "closed" zones such as Marathon, Mountain Biking, Walking, Golf, Road Cycling?

It would be interesting to hear the solutions to keeping a runner cool when I believe you or another Qatari mentioned on the 2022 World Cup thread that the temperature can lingure in the 40's well past sunset during summer.

Obviously some of those sports would have been in the Asian Games Qatar hosted, how was it handled then?

Well Asian Games were held in December second half, habitable climatic conditions.

2020-EUROPE(MADRID,LISBON,ST.PETERSBURG,ROME OR ISTANBUL)
2024-AMERICA,ASIA OR AFRICA

Well Asian Games were held in December second half, habitable climatic conditions.

Ah, thanks, so Doha will have some technical challenges for a "Summer" games

Qatar just give up you not getting the Games Dubai, UAE will be the Only city in the Middle east will get the Games.


If there will be anyone around that has to give up its you, i wonder why your not banned, and who are you to tell me to give up ? coming from a guy that believes the soviet union still exists, you don't know anything, your a kid, grow up !

Ah, thanks, so Doha will have some technical challenges for a "Summer" games

If not for technical challenges, do you think DOHA is a seriously considered candidate by IOC?
I suppose Doha may face same troubles as Istanbul.
Qatar is pitching for a strong 2018/2022 WC bid so that even if they loose despite the effort; they may get some International Sympathy for garnering votes for the Summer Games.

If not for technical challenges, do you think DOHA is a seriously considered candidate by IOC?
I suppose Doha may face same troubles as Istanbul.
Qatar is pitching for a strong 2018/2022 WC bid so that even if they loose despite the effort; they may get some International Sympathy for garnering votes for the Summer Games.

Well if Doha will be as large as the Qatari's say it will be by 2020 (something around 3 million) it will be large enough as far as the IOC is concerned. They are certainly building complex infrastructure in the new airport and Metro system etc.

Jacques Rogge has said that he doesn't want to see bids from cities with populations under 2 million. I don't know how much of that was his own opinion or that that of the wider IOC but this was said before Doha expressed interest in hosting 2016. The Qatari's either didn't notice or didn't care. Their World Cup bid shows they have no issue with breaking convention.

My personal opinions about Doha and Qatar are mixed. I've been vocal on the Qatar WC 2022 thread about how I feel about their labour conditions which I feel strongly about but I'm also very aware that my opinion's mean nothing and I certainly won't be making the decision on their WC and Olympic bids.

I also have a pragmatic side which is in full agreement with Jacques Rogge, with these events being a drain on Smaller cities. Size is my first and main reason for questioning their WC Bid, an Olympics is a massive undertaking but still one for one city.

I seriously believe it was Doha's small size which didn't see it progress for the 2016 bid. Though we know they ranked higher than Rio according to the IOC in the initial stages. I don't think highly of the IOC but I cetainly hold them higher than FIFA (there are certainly more transparent). The IOC were left red faced by China after many promises of liberalisation were broken and / or ignored. They may not be prepared to recieve lip service from another country that ranks so lowly on the freedom index.

All that being said I do consider Doha a serious candidate like I do with Qatar and their WC 2022 bid because I have absolutley no idea what the IOC and FIFA really care about. Qatar may fall down on size or social/political issues but they can certainly provide the facilities. So without knowing what the IOC and FIFA's real values are, I have to take Doha and Qatar seriously.

...as for "the same troubles as Istanbul", I'm not familiar with what happened.

Well if Doha will be as large as the Qatari's say it will be by 2020 (something around 3 million) it will be large enough as far as the IOC is concerned.........as for "the same troubles as Istanbul", I'm not familiar with what happened.

An impressive comprehenssive assessment.
I cannot disagree a bit.

When I mentioned about Istanbul's problem; the surreptitous political disagreement over Turkey among some member nations that partially resulted in Turkey's failure.
The very fact that some Gulf nations due to same reasons are averse, can weigh against Qatar.
The camraderie as seen btwn Holland/Belgium & Spain/Portugal(Despite portugal's financial crisis) is not to be seen. Else if the motto to bring Middle east on to the centrestage World Sporting map were real, such indifferences should have been decimated by a joint bid.

As evident, IOC host city selection is attended by Head of the States and has always been the stage to ascertain political supremacy/mileage either by the powers themselves or puppet regime of the host city, be it Moscow, Seoul, Sarajevo or the loss of Beijing 2000.

Mo Rush hit the nail on the head when talking about use of small-to-medium format stadia for archery and hockey events. Its only makes perfect sense, especially since most potential host cities have scores of these stadiums that would not be useable for any other events during the games.

@ antriksh_sfo-

Just to clarify because I'm a touch slower than others here, is Dhyan Chand the stadium you were referring to when you said Hockey events will be in the 20k capacity National Stadium?

@ antriksh_sfo-

Just to clarify because I'm a touch slower than others here, is Dhyan Chand the stadium you were referring to when you said Hockey events will be in the 20k capacity National Stadium?

Dhyan Chand Stadium and National Stadium are one and the same.
The National Stadium was built in 1930s and was a multipurpose venue and the main one for the inaugural Asian Games in 1951.
During 1982 Asian Games, this was used as the Men's Hockey venue and was much bigger 30k as a circular field.

Dhyan Chand, Ex Indian Hockey captian is conisdered to be a Hockey Legend and was offered gifts by Hitler after watching his skills during the 1936 Berlin Olympics. But he turned those all down and returned back to India gently displaying his displeasure to the Nazis.
Hockey is India's National Sport having won 8 Golds in olympics, 1 World Cup; bunch of silver/bronze in WC and Olympics; and Dhyan Chand a reverred figure among hockey followers.
Hence the Govt of India renamed the National Stadium as Dhyan Chand Stadium during his Birth Centenary Celebrations.

Coming to India's hockey Infrastructure, India has hosted Champions Trophy Hockey, Asian Hockey Championship 2 times each in the last decade.
These are just the recent memories.
Chennai - 12k, Delhi - 20K, 6K, 2K; Hyderabad 5K, 2K, 5K; Chandigarh 20K, 2K have FIH standard hockey infrstructure capable of hosting Champions trophy/WC at any given time.
Though Cricket rules the roost in India; the 20 K stadia are full during the Premier Hockey league featuring stars from World over which shall be resumed come 2012.

Interesting small comparison using Wikipedia.

Doha 2006 Asian Games:

Nations: 45
Athletes: 13,000
Sports: 39

Beijing 2008 Summer Olympics:

Nations: 204
Athletes: 11,028
Sports: 28

So Doha had more athletes and sports being played during the Doha Asian games than the 2008 Olympics ! :nuts:

Those 39 included: Chess, Billiards, Snooker, Ten Pin Bowling - Private Club Sports which could be held in Indoor Halls or Private Clubs.
Even Wushu, Kabbadi etc... which are not Olympic Sports.
So these numbers do not make any major difference.
As everyone knows that during the Doha Asiad, the smaller spport atheletes were given II rung faccilities liek far off dorms from cafeteria/ lesser practice hrs in indoor halls etc..; still it was better than what they got back home at their national championships.

After OCA saw that the new bidding cities were just adding non Olympic movement sports for a silly tall claim; starting 2019, they have restricted the number of events to:
Either 32 or 35 (Not sure)
25 or 28 Olympic Events
7 Non Olympic - Squash, Wushu, Karate, Sepak Thakraw, Kabbadi etc...
There by reducing the burden on the host city.

Another reason for more number of athletes, every Continental Olympic Association/ NOC lays std qualifying norms for Summer Games like:
In India for Athletics : It is last edition's 8th to 10th place performance
Boxing: Following the IBF Qualifying Championships
Football: U -23 qualification by FIFA with restricted number of teams for quality of performance.
Hockey: Auto qualifying teams and 2 qualification tournaments.

Whereas in Asian Games; the number of teams are just filled up reducing the ultimate quality of the event.
If Football/Volleyball is restricted to 12 or 16 teams, Hockey to 6 or 8 teams there would be good competition and gr8er crowd presence.
If you can go back, 2006 Doha Football prelims involving minnows, had almost empty stadia.
It is not the mistake of the Host NOC but OCA. Atleast by reducing the number of events they are moving in the right direction.

Well, this is not the thread to discuss the remedy to the sick Asian Games.
The point here is, though the particpation is high, there are few quality Olympic Sports in the Asian Games and hence the dearth of developed infrastructure for Summer OG.

Screw Qatar with their fake air conditioning bull crap. Sports are supposed to be outside. They wont win the Olympics and the world cup!

As evident, IOC host city selection is attended by Head of the States and has always been the stage to ascertain political supremacy/mileage either by the powers themselves or puppet regime of the host city, be it Moscow, Seoul, Sarajevo or the loss of Beijing 2000.

Fantastic statement. Many a nation uses the likes of the Olympics to state their legitimacy, we can only guess how the IOC feel about being thrown around like a political ragdoll.

2008- Beijing
2012- London
2016- Rio
2020- Cape Town
2024- Monterrey

Well if Doha will be as large as the Qatari's say it will be by 2020 (something around 3 million) it will be large enough as far as the IOC is concerned. They are certainly building complex infrastructure in the new airport and Metro system etc.

Not to mention roads, bridges, tunnels being built all the time. infact the highway in front of my house is due to be expanded next month :nuts:.

Jacques Rogge has said that he doesn't want to see bids from cities with populations under 2 million. I don't know how much of that was his own opinion or that that of the wider IOC but this was said before Doha expressed interest in hosting 2016. The Qatari's either didn't notice or didn't care. Their World Cup bid shows they have no issue with breaking convention.

According to the 2016 Bid, the population will be 2.6 by 2016... thats appropriate for the Olympics. :cheers:

Not to mention roads, bridges, tunnels being built all the time. infact the highway in front of my house is due to be expanded next month :nuts:.

Yes that's why I wrote etc or Et Cetera


According to the 2016 Bid, the population will be 2.6 by 2016... thats appropriate for the Olympics.

It is indeed if Doha reaches projection and if what Jacques Rogge said is now an informal requirment.

:cheers:
I wouldn't have thought you drink ;)

Qatar Son 333, any chance of answering my question about coordinating some of the sports which can't be effectively air conditioned, remembering that its still too hot at night in Doha's summer for legitimante elite level competition.

I wouldn't have thought you drink ;)

Qatar Son 333, any chance of answering my question about coordinating some of the sports which can't be effectively air conditioned, remembering that its still too hot at night in Doha's summer for legitimante elite level competition.

Its coca cola :tongue4:

Its not too hot, the temperature change between day and night is around 20 degrees !! so at night temperatures are actually quite pleasant. and Air-conditioning will assist in cooling temperatures even lower. So weather events are held at day or night the best solutions would be Indoor, Shading & air conditioning. However events such as sailing will benefit from the natural cool sea breeze. There are the events that cannot be air-conditioned...

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9088/dohatemp.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/dohatemp.jpg/)

Cape Town declared Africa’s top travel destination for third consecutive year

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Cape Town has won another major travel industry award, reaffirming the city’s status as one of the world’s top tourism destinations.

The city was declared Africa’s Best Travel Destination by World Travel Awards at a gala dinner held in Johannesburg yesterday, 7 July 2010. This is the third consecutive year that the city has won this prestigious award.

In November last year, Cape Town won the 2009 Virgin Holidays Responsible Tourism Award in the Best Destination category.

The World Travel Awards, which were established in 1993, are seen as the travel industry’s ‘Oscars’. The awards are regarded as one of the best endorsements for a travel product.

Alderman Felicity Purchase, the City of Cape Town’s Mayoral Committee Member for Economic Development and Tourism and Mansoor Mohamed, the City’s Executive Director: Economic, Social Development and Tourism received the award on behalf of the city.

“This recognition is very important as it reaffirms Cape Town’s global positioning as a highly attractive tourism destination. The city boasts one of the highest concentration of major events on the African continent which includes the Cape Town International Jazz Festival, the Argus Cycle Tour, the Two Oceans Marathon and Design Indaba. The City of Cape Town will continue to use major events to attract visitors to Cape Town. Mega events such as the 2010 FIFA World Cup are valuable for legacy projects whereas major events provide the annual recurring benefits,” said Mohamed.

Alderman Purchase said: “Cape Town is reaping the benefits of establishing and maintaining an excellent tourism infrastructure. The City of Cape Town is constantly enhancing the city’s tourism assets and we are building skills and improving opportunities in our tourism sector. All of these efforts support the City’s key strategy of infrastructure-led economic growth.”


Published by Martin Pollack 2010/07/08

Its coca cola :tongue4:
Ahaha, well played.:)

Its not too hot, the temperature change between day and night is around 20 degrees !! so at night temperatures are actually quite pleasant. and Air-conditioning will assist in cooling temperatures even lower. So weather events are held at day or night the best solutions would be Indoor, Shading & air conditioning. However events such as sailing will benefit from the natural cool sea breeze. There are the events that cannot be air-conditioned...

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9088/dohatemp.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/dohatemp.jpg/)
Fair enough, a night Marathon with city lights could be very cool.

^ Remember that's a low!

Ahaha, well played.:)


Fair enough, a night Marathon with city lights could be very cool.

or a day time marathon in Cape Town running between a mountain and the Atlantic?

http://www.mondosport-travel.com/sport-travel/uploads/route/j4_-_to.jpg

Fair enough, a night Marathon with city lights could be very cool.

We already have Moto GP races held at night in Doha.

This is an Ariel image of the racing circuit.
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Before the start of a race.
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^ Remember that's a low!

Yes, An average low, means it could also be lower than these figures, i am sure a country that could offer outdoor carbon-neutral air-conditioning could also supply athletes with water and provide fans / coolers around at the venues...

NEW ORLEANS 2024!!!!!!!!!!

NEW ORLEANS 2024!!!!!!!!!!

First of all TROLL !! second of all whats the situation of New Orleans after hurrican Katrina ?? I think the effects are still in place....

First of all TROLL !! second of all whats the situation of New Orleans after hurrican Katrina ?? I think the effects are still in place....

As a forumer favouring a city, this guy wants Noleens for 2024.
You do not need to ridicule that.
Norleens does have a better sports following and massive stadia for Summer Games in relation to Qatar and is a natural HABITABLE city.
Coming to Katrina, it is recovering pretty well and were the Super Bowl champions, the spirit is always there.
Moreover there is plenty of time for 2024.

^

For once I agree with you!

Its coca cola :tongue4:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9088/dohatemp.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/dohatemp.jpg/)

Even from an Australian background (where tempretures are hot by American and European standards) having an average temperature above 40 and a night time temperature above 25 (remember that's at the coldest point of the night) is just ridiculous.

Even having events during prime time night slots (say 7pm-9pm) the temperature would still be hovering between 30-35. Day time events with temperature perhaps between 38-42 is absurd.

Air conditioning entire venues isn't exactly in fitting with the whole environmentally sensitive design movement within Olympic bid cities.

Even from an Australian background (where tempretures are hot by American and European standards) having an average temperature above 40 and a night time temperature above 25 (remember that's at the coldest point of the night) is just ridiculous.

Even having events during prime time night slots (say 7pm-9pm) the temperature would still be hovering between 30-35. Day time events with temperature perhaps between 38-42 is absurd.

Air conditioning entire venues isn't exactly in fitting with the whole environmentally sensitive design movement within Olympic bid cities.

It is exactly fitting to the environmentally sensitive movement !! Its going to be carbon-neutral air conditioning using solar power cooling techniques. trials will be done this September for the new technology.

Cape Town (Part 1)



Sailing - Table Bay Harbour

http://www.uct-cmc.co.za/File_Uploads/images/Yacht%20club_1.jpg



Other events staged here
- Volvo Ocean Race
- Velux Ocean Race
- National championships
- Lipton Cup

Cape-to-Rio Title Sponsor announced

International brewing giant, Heineken, has announced that they will once again be the Title Sponsor of the Royal Cape Yacht Club's premier South Atlantic race, the Heineken Cape-to-Rio, which will take place in January 2011.

'The Heineken Cape to Rio is a jewel in the crown of Heineken’s global partnership with the premium sport of sailing. As Title Sponsor for the third Trans-Atlantic race in a row, we have certainly consolidated our brand ownership of one of South Africa’s iconic sporting challenges,' said Franco Maria Maggi, National Brand Manager, Heineken.

'We are extremely pleased to welcome Heineken back onboard once again and are equally pleased to be taking the Race back to its roots in Rio de Janerio, site of the finish of the first race forty years ago.' said John Martin, Commodore of Royal Cape Yacht Club. 'Ever since then, the event has maintained its status as the top Trans-Atlantic race on the ocean racing calendar.'

'The Heineken Cape to Rio - and its partner destinations, Cape Town and Rio de Janerio, Brazil- embodies the glamour and excitement which is central to the Heineken brand promise. Heineken is proud to support and be associated with the unique spirit of friendship, adventure and achievement which is epitomized by this Race.

'We wish best of luck and fair winds to all the yachtsmen competing in the event' said Maggi.

The 2011 Heineken Cape to Rio Race will see the introduction of a special class for racing multi-hulls in recognition of their increasing presence in ocean racing.

The IRC Mono-hull class will start on the 15th of January 2011 along with the cruising mono-hulls and cruising multi-hulls, with the racing multi-hulls starting on the 22nd of January.

The festivities will culminate with the grand Prize-Giving and the awarding of the much sought-after South Atlantic Trophy, just prior to Rio Carnival which commences on the 3rd March.

http://www.rcyc.co.za

As a forumer favouring a city, this guy wants Noleens for 2024.
You do not need to ridicule that.
Norleens does have a better sports following and massive stadia for Summer Games in relation to Qatar and is a natural HABITABLE city.
Coming to Katrina, it is recovering pretty well and were the Super Bowl champions, the spirit is always there.
Moreover there is plenty of time for 2024.

Thanks for the support. NEW ORLEANS still has some venues to built like the olympic stadium and aquatic center, but the rest of the stadiums and arena are renovating.

Even from an Australian background (where tempretures are hot by American and European standards) having an average temperature above 40 and a night time temperature above 25 (remember that's at the coldest point of the night) is just ridiculous.

Even having events during prime time night slots (say 7pm-9pm) the temperature would still be hovering between 30-35. Day time events with temperature perhaps between 38-42 is absurd.

Air conditioning entire venues isn't exactly in fitting with the whole environmentally sensitive design movement within Olympic bid cities.

Guys,
Pls do not get mislead by these tables, just check the weather channel report for July 6, it was soaring 47 deg C (117 Deg F).

It is not jsut the Marathons, the simple events like; Triathlon, 20 km walk, Lawn tennis (hundreds of matches within 10 days), Golf over 3 to 5 days.... the list goes on that need to be considered.
It is not how Doha gives a solution?
It is about the performance levels of the athletes/spirit of the Games - Summer Games not hell's kitchen.
Not just the athletes, even the officials, who need to be in sun running for the football games/scrutinizing the line calls for Tennis/Track & Field events.
Would you want Sebastian Coe to start living in middle east for 1 yr bfor the Games to retain his title?
The performance levels of the athletes would surely go down due to such adverse weather conditions, God forbid any fatalities.

If going indoors is the solution for everything, Doha can rather bid for Asian Indoor Games.
Arriving at a middle path for Doha will be a difficlut task.

@antriksh_sfo- Thanks for explaining Dhyan Chand! Very interesting :) good to see some really strong sporting culture!

It's interesting that people are bringing up a bid for New Orleans. Me and some colleagues did a hypothetical "New Orleans 2040" bid for our Professional Project.

It went surprisingly well. We found that our with the venue plan that we had created, more than 78% of venues were already existing, the largest venue investments would be an aquatics center and major renovations.

Additionally, New Orleans came in strong with accomodation capabilities, culture and identity, and we had a VERY strong legacy statement.

What proved to be the most difficult issue for NO (not surprisingly) was infrastructure. I think we all have some idea about NO's massive infrastructure woes, so no need to elaborate. However, our "bid" included upgrades to the airport and extensions to the streetcar systems.

The most impressive part of our project was the public-involvement charette and planning that we did. Truly involved process a-la-Sherry Arnstein. We found public, private/corporate, and government support of a NO 2040 bid to veeeery strong. Wow...we were all surprised!

We pitched the "bid" to members of the city government, CVB, and a bunch of neighborhood citizens. Imagine how they reacted when we had to tell them for the BILLIONTH time that NO was actually NOT bidding as of yet and this was a graduation project by University Planning Students. LOL....I think they would have sent us to the IOC if they could have!

@antriksh_sfo- Thanks for explaining Dhyan Chand! Very interesting :) good to see some really strong sporting culture!

It's interesting that people are bringing up a bid for New Orleans. Me and some colleagues did a hypothetical "New Orleans 2040" bid for our Professional Project.

It went surprisingly well. We found that our with the venue plan that we had created, more than 78% of venues were already existing, the largest venue investments would be an aquatics center and major renovations.

Additionally, New Orleans came in strong with accomodation capabilities, culture and identity, and we had a VERY strong legacy statement.

What proved to be the most difficult issue for NO (not surprisingly) was infrastructure. I think we all have some idea about NO's massive infrastructure woes, so no need to elaborate. However, our "bid" included upgrades to the airport and extensions to the streetcar systems.

The most impressive part of our project was the public-involvement charette and planning that we did. Truly involved process a-la-Sherry Arnstein. We found public, private/corporate, and government support of a NO 2040 bid to veeeery strong. Wow...we were all surprised!

We pitched the "bid" to members of the city government, CVB, and a bunch of neighborhood citizens. Imagine how they reacted when we had to tell them for the BILLIONTH time that NO was actually NOT bidding as of yet and this was a graduation project by University Planning Students. LOL....I think they would have sent us to the IOC if they could have!

Also thanks for pulling the airport up and streetcar. The airport could hold more passenger with the major expansion and renovation. The city has a lot of infrastructure, but we have most of the venues and also letting some of the gulf coast city to host some of the game, its a great plan and several stadiums are renovation. The Olympic stadium and Aquatic Center are the only ones that needed. NEW ORLEANS CAN PLACE A BID!!! but people are being negative and not being positive.

Blatter behind Durban 2020 bid

Whoa! Stop the press: Blatter has made a significant endorsement...

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Blatter behind 2020 bid
Jul 8, 2010
By SALLY EVANS

South Africa has received Fifa president Sepp Blatter's vote of confidence in its bid to host the 2020 Olympics.

Blatter told media at a briefing in Sandton yesterday: "I think the International Olympic Committee president made a good move after he witnessed the success of the World Cup in South Africa in the first week. It is also time that Africa, specifically South Africa, organises the Olympic games. It is very positive. If a country is able to organise Fifa's World Cup, it can also organise the Olympic summer games."

Blatter said that next year's IOC session, which will be hosted in Durban, was "the first step towards the opening of South Africa, in this case, to the Olympic movement. I will fully support Durban to host the Olympic games in 2020".

Local Organising Committee chairman Irvin Khoza said hosting the World Cup was a "moment of glory" for South Africa.

"South Africa has got the capability to host events of this magnitude. The impact on the people in this country has been great and so has the confidence it has generated. The world knows we can do these things, and that is very important," Khoza said.

However, both Blatter and Khoza were hesitant to stamp their final seal of approval with two World Cup matches still left to be played.

"Sepp indicated he is reserving his judgment because there are still two games to go. I want to be very careful in passing judgment, but we are very satisfied," Khoza said.


http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article540882.ece/Blatter-behind-2020-bid

cross post from the SA Olympics thread... last year or so i'm sure blatter said he did not think we would host the Olympics any time soon... seems SA govt has done some canvassing - to get such a global bigwig to - give this sort of influential backing... Methinks the SA gove has made its mind up - that Durban will be the SA city for 2020...
besides Zuma and the strong showing of KZN ppl in national gov - I think the realise DBN needs this more than CT or JHB and - and is also better placed from a Olympic precinct and weather perspective....

Durban or Cape Town, I support :cheers:

Two wonderful cities.

First of all TROLL !! second of all whats the situation of New Orleans after hurrican Katrina ?? I think the effects are still in place....

:ohno: !!!

Have you ever put a foot in La Nouvelle Orléans (before and/or after Katrina) ???? :ohno:
Believe me, it's a wonderful city (culture, architecture, music of course, history, tourist destination, fiesta: Mardi Gras, its location: lovely region, etc etc etc etc)

I really wonder who is the troll here ???


P.S Anyway: PARIS 2024 !!!! :D

:ohno: !!!

Have you ever put a foot in La Nouvelle Orléans (before and/or after Katrina) ???? :ohno:
Believe me, it's a wonderful city (culture, architecture, music of course, history, tourist destination, fiesta: Mardi Gras, its location: lovely region, etc etc etc etc)

I really wonder who is the troll here ???


P.S Anyway: PARIS 2024 !!!! :D

NEW ORLEANS IS AN AWESOME CITY WITH RICH HISTORY!!!!! WE HAVE THE VENUES (xcept few venues), TRANSPORTATION IS EXPANDING, AND SOME OF THE GULF COAST CITY COULD HOST SOME SPORTS. (BEACH VOLLEYBALL, SAILING, ROWIN,etc.) WE HAVE ALL JUST THE PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEING THE POINT

NEW ORLEANS IS AN AWESOME CITY WITH RICH HISTORY!!!!! WE HAVE THE VENUES (xcept few venues), TRANSPORTATION IS EXPANDING, AND SOME OF THE GULF COAST CITY COULD HOST SOME SPORTS. (BEACH VOLLEYBALL, SAILING, ROWIN,etc.) WE HAVE ALL JUST THE PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEING THE POINT

I believe we are agree !! (But.. please: you have to forget the caps lock ;))

@antriksh_sfo- Thanks for explaining Dhyan Chand! Very interesting :) good to see some really strong sporting culture!

It's interesting that people are bringing ..... IOC if they could have!

It msut have been an exciting assignment.
How I wish I could be in one such task for any city...... Not doha though... Just kidding.
But why 2040? Why not 2024 or 2028.
It would be almost >30 yrs since Atlanta by then and USA would rightfully need the occassion.

Other events staged here
- Volvo Ocean Race
- Velux Ocean Race


Kochi Volvo Ocean Race leg
http://www.bhavik.com/7oceans/library/images/081215_cochin-port2.jpg
Race Village, Fort Cochin
http://www.bhavik.com/7oceans/library/images/081215_cochin-port.jpg
Start of Leg 3 of the Volvo Ocean Race, Cochin to Singapore, 1200 miles

Why did Delhi not host?:ohno:
'Cos Delhi is not on the sea front and had Mumbai host the Sailing events for the 1982 Asian Games.

Then, Why is Mumbai not hosting the race?
Mumbai is too big for such a race and hence Cochin (A smaller metropolis) - The pearl of the Arbian Sea given a chance and moreover Indian cities do not flaunt much about such petty events.:)

Shame, then clearly the Olympics are "beneath" wondrous Delhi :lol:

Pathetic. Neeeeext!

@ antriksh_sfo-

It wasn't necessarily a timing issue for our "Olympic Bid". It was more of a question of financing and infrastructure development. Although I love New Orleans, it still has a long way to go before it's even completely recovered from Katrina (not New Orleans fault, itreally was a major disaster). So 2040 was given as a frame of reference to allow economies to hypothetically stabilise and to allow the Gulf to get their shit together as far as environmental relations go.

A major component of the New Orleans bid was a major seaworks project, similar to the types of development they did in the Netherlands. The engineering department was involved with this hypothetical infrastructure improvement.

For New Orleans, I just dont think 2024 would be feasible.


Great news about Blatter's endorsement. My feeling is that a South African city will make it to the final round in the race for 2020, but probably face some very stiff competition? In my mind, I had always thought it was going to be Cape Town bidding for 2020, but all these suggestions about Durban makes me wonder what the SAOC has planned.


Also people keep talking about how Johannesburg will never host because of the elevation. Clearly professional international athletes play in Jozi, as was shown by 2010FIFA, Rugby World Cup etc.

LOL do fencers, swimmers and table-tennis players really have that much clout with the IOC that the fact that soccer, rugby, cricket and other athletes have played in Johannesburg wont matter to the IOC?

Johannesburg has about the same elevation as my city Albuquerque ( a major Olympic training center) and Denver (potential bid candidate, was already awarded them once etc.). Not only that, but there is a HUGE difference in elevation between Johannesburg and Mexico City. I wonder if Johannesburg ever put in a very strong bid, if the elevation would really matter that much.

@ antriksh_sfo-

It wasn't necessarily a timing issue for our "Olympic Bid". It was more of a question of financing and infrastructure development. Although I love New Orleans, it still has a long way to go before it's even completely recovered from Katrina (not New Orleans fault, itreally was a major disaster). So 2040 was given as a frame of reference to allow economies to hypothetically stabilise and to allow the Gulf to get their shit together as far as environmental relations go.

A major component of the New Orleans bid was a major seaworks project, similar to the types of development they did in the Netherlands. The engineering department was involved with this hypothetical infrastructure improvement.

For New Orleans, I just dont think 2024 would be feasible.


Great news about Blatter's endorsement. My feeling is that a South African city will make it to the final round in the race for 2020, but probably face some very stiff competition? In my mind, I had always thought it was going to be Cape Town bidding for 2020, but all these suggestions about Durban makes me wonder what the SAOC has planned.


Also people keep talking about how Johannesburg will never host because of the elevation. Clearly professional international athletes play in Jozi, as was shown by 2010FIFA, Rugby World Cup etc.

LOL do fencers, swimmers and table-tennis players really have that much clout with the IOC that the fact that soccer, rugby, cricket and other athletes have played in Johannesburg wont matter to the IOC?

Johannesburg has about the same elevation as my city Albuquerque ( a major Olympic training center) and Denver (potential bid candidate, was already awarded them once etc.). Not only that, but there is a HUGE difference in elevation between Johannesburg and Mexico City. I wonder if Johannesburg ever put in a very strong bid, if the elevation would really matter that much.

Well depends!! we have 7 years for our economy, business, and tourism to grow. With all the attention, New Orleans is fighting every day to grow internationally. well see during those 7 years before the 2024 bid deadline.

Indianapolis 2024! Because why not!?!?!

Honestly, I like a lot of the cities people are saying for 2020. Should be a good bid. I always like to see cities like Delhi, Doha, and Cape Town where there hasn't been an Olympics anywhere close. I've seen enough from Europe.

Indianapolis 2024! Because why not!?!?!

Honestly, I like a lot of the cities people are saying for 2020. Should be a good bid. I always like to see cities like Delhi, Doha, and Cape Town where there hasn't been an Olympics anywhere close. I've seen enough from Europe.

Same But in the regin of Doha the Olympics will be in Dubai not Doha
India theirs to much poverty in India. India 1st Olympics will be in the 2100s.
In India theirs 470million people in poverty + they are running late for this years Commonwealth Games. + in the Regin the Olympics will be in Almaty, Kazakhstan for the Winter Games. Singapore this years Youth Olympics Games in 1 mounth Time and Bangkok, Thailand and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

Im sick of Europe hosting the Games
theirs been 30 Games in Europe
12 Games in A. America
5 Games in Asia
2 Games in Australia
1 Game in South America in 2016 in Rio de Janeiro
0 Games in Africa

12+5+2+1=20
20 in the Rest of the World
30 in Europe
Its competily unfair Avery Brundage was thinking of stopping the Winter Games becouse is was always in Europe apart from 2 Games in 1932 and 1960
And it was unfair on New York City Side in the 2012 bid It should of been Madrid and NYC becouse London, Paris and Moscow had already hosted the Games.

Indianapolis Could host the Games they hosted the 1987 Pan American Games.

Their needs to be more North and South Amercian, Asian, Afrians and Australian Games and Way less Europen Games

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy sorry Madrid but Barcelona will host the Games in Spain
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Bangkok, Thailand
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 New York City, USA

Another expert tip lol

In India theirs 470million people in poverty + they are running late for this years Commonwealth Games.

have you examined income distribution in China recently?

If it was not an issue for China, it will not be an issue for India

China got the Games becouse Juan Antonio Samaranch was telling the Other members where to held the Games like his Home town Barcelona 1992. Atlanta 1996 and Beijing 2008 he Tried to get the 2000 Games to be held in Beijing, China but he failed Juan Antonio Samaranch was very corruped man but the corruption in the IOC has now gone

Cape Town awards R3 billion tender to develop Bellville Velodrome Precinct

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At a Council meeting on 28 October, approval was given for the City of Cape Town to award a R3 billion tender to establish retail, business, residential, hotel and conference facilities on an 11.5 ha property in the Bellville Velodrome precinct.

The site is located on a portion of Erf 21750, Bellville, in Tyger Valley abutting Carl Cronje Drive. It includes the Velodrome, athletic stadium and the adjacent public parking area.
The decision to award the tender was taken after a two-stage public tender process that started in September 2007.
The tender was won by Devmet Property Developments, a consortium of Devmark Property Group (Pty) Limited and Mettle Property Group (Pty) Limited, through a competitive bidding process that lasted more than two years. Mettle Property Group is 49% owned by Metropolitan Capital, an associated company of the Metropolitan Group, and is a level eight contributor in terms of Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment (BBBEE).



Mansoor Mohamed, the City’s Executive Director for Economic, Social Development and Tourism, said: “Despite current global economic challenges, Cape Town has yet again proved to be an attractive investment destination. The City of Cape Town has put together a strategy of infrastructure-led, economic development which is starting to bear fruit. The tender for the Velodrome is one of the biggest and most complex property transactions ever to be awarded on municipal land in Cape Town and it is the result of tremendous team work of several departments, led by the Property Management Department. This development will enhance Cape Town’s positioning as a globally competitive business and leisure destination. The City will continue to use its land resources to stimulate socio-economic development.”


Besides an estimated R2.2 billion development that will take place on the property, Mohamed indicated that “an additional R800 million is expected to accrue to the City in rates and service charges, proceeds on the disposal of land, enhancements to the Velodrome and athletic track, (which will remain Council assets), infrastructure levies and revenue sharing in event management. Devmet Property Developments will also take over the management of the Velodrome and athletic stadium. An estimated 26 000 direct and indirect jobs will be created by this development.


“This is a best-practice example of how the City, in partnership with the private sector, can enhance and utilise its property assets to achieve key strategic objectives and benefit the people of Cape Town,” Mohamed said.


Alderman Felicity Purchase, Mayoral Committee Member for Economic Development and Tourism, said: "The City recognises the importance of using municipal land as a mechanism for creating economic growth and jobs and has started employing more staff in the Property Management Department to facilitate more projects like this.”


Ruby Gelderbloem, the City’s Director: Property Management, said: "Devmet Property Developments submitted a development proposal that will enhance the area between the existing Tyger Valley Shopping Centre and the Parc Du Cap office park in terms of its design, form and urban fit. The design recognises the site constraints and incorporates the opportunities into a concept that will provide a balanced blend of retail, business, residential, hotel and conference facilities. In addition to the existing sporting facilities, the Velodrome will be remodelled to complement the conference facilities with the staging of concerts, shows, trade affairs and exhibitions. A high performance sport centre will be incorporated into the sport and athletic facilities and will be used to provide specialised training to athletes.

“The development is based on a spine ‘Galleria’ that will provide the circulation and connection to all the facilities. Parking with entrances at various levels and locations will be provided to connect the hotel, conference and sporting facilities with the retail, business and residential components.
“Devmet Property Developments has put together a group of companies and management models that offer a suitable range of skills and experience in property development, property management, financial oversight, facilities management and events management. They incorporate and provide local and international experience, strategic partnerships and networks, and innovative technologies, designs and processes. The group includes Devmet, Big Concerts, the High Performance Sports Centre and several smaller, specialist firms,” Gelderbloem added.

Members of the public and interested and affected parties will be given the opportunity to comment on the development as part of the land use planning process that will follow the successful conclusion of the legal agreements between the City and Devmet Property Developments.

The City is represented in this project by Andre Human and Pieter Matthysen from the Property Management Department.

It is envisaged that the development will be completed by 2014.



Martin Pollack
http://www.devmark.co.za/images/velodrome2_lg.jpg

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy sorry Madrid but Barcelona will host the Games in Spain
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Bangkok, Thailand
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 New York City, USA

PLEASE, stop your lists!!

1) 2044 Athens - never ever, they'll pay in 2044 still for the 2004 games! The

next gemaes in Athens will be in 2096!

2) Two SOG in the USA within 16 years????? 2032 LA is a good idea, but scratch NY 2048 from your list!

3) Africa will get the games sooner than late, 2020 or 2024 - Casablanca 2024!!!


@ archbishop

Isn't Idianapolis too small for the games? Isn't the minimum 3,000,000 inh. in the met area?

. I've seen enough from Europe.

From the beginning of the new olympics, only Europe was interested in the games!
1896 Athen and Paris 1900 were quite well attended games - the first time in overseas in St. Louis (1904)was a big disapointment for the young olympic movement. The "Olympic Stadium" wasn't a stadium at all!!

Until 1932 was NO INTERESTS for the Olympic Games in the world except Europe! You can't blame our continent for this!

Pre- war SOG's:
Europe 8
USA 2

post war:
Europe 7
America: 3
Asia: 3
Australia: 2

btw.
members of IOC:


Continent Members Population (2008) Population per member

Europe 45 731.000.000 16.244.444
Asia 26 3.879.000.000 149.192.308
Africa 14 922.000.000 65.857.143
North America 12 528.000.000 44.000.000
South America 6 382.000.000 63.666.667
Australia 5 32.000.000 6.400.000


source: wikipedia

EUROPE 2020
FOR ME THE BEST CONTINENT INCLUDED THE WHOLE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA
AND MADEIRA,CEUTA,MELILLA AND CANARY ISLANDS

I've seen enough from Europe.

And it's your right !

But, why don't you create your own "Olympic" system/movement ????
I mean, since Greece created the Olympics and since a "crazy" Frenchman created the modern Olympics...... Pierre de Coubertin didn't force countries to be part of his crazy dream.....
So, please, go complain elsewhere about "Europe, Europe, Europe" ! ;)

I love what is going on in Cape Town im a city planner their but i will leave Mo Rush to put things up about Cape Town i know he love to do that.
Casablanca won't host the Games soon but later on maybe the 2080s or 2100s
Sweew the Commonwealth Games Cape Town dosent need them they are now a International Sports City.
yehr Cape Town Could Host the 2024 Summer Olympics.

And it's your right !

But, why don't you create your own "Olympic" system/movement ????
I mean, since Greece created the Olympics and since a "crazy" Frenchman created the modern Olympics...... Pierre de Coubertin didn't force countries to be part of his crazy dream.....
So, please, go complain elsewhere about "Europe, Europe, Europe" ! ;)

^^ +1 !

Europe, the craddle of culture and modern civilization!!!

For the most part of the Olympic history, Europe and N America was the only place where Olympics could take place. Even if they wanted them elsewhere it was impossible. Saying you fed up with Europe is not fair. The Olympics are not a human right to demand them. There is no law that says where to take place. If Europe always has the best bids, they'll be always in Europe. And bear in mind the games are not a dick measuring contest or a way for a country to advertise. They are a movement to promote the values of Athleticism. If they continue to head towards commercialization, I would suggest banning them, or permanently holding them in Greece in a far simpler format, 2004 style, to continue their symbolic purpose. Because without it they are just another world championship for sports that already have world championships of their own. End of story.

Cape Town wants to bid for the World Gymnaestrada in 2019 with 20,000!

Mo, every World Gymnaestrada event has been held in Europe and not one event has been held outside that continent.

Mo, every World Gymnaestrada event has been held in Europe and not one event has been held outside that continent.

Yes, they told us to bid for Gym for life, which we will now host in 2013, as preparation to host 2019.
It has about 4,000 participants. The provisional numbers for the 2011 Gymnaestrada event stands at 23,000!

Cape Town awarded opportunity to host 2013 Gym for Life Championship
MEDIA RELEASE
NO. 355 / 2010
24 MAY 2010


The South African Gymnastics Federation (SAGF) and the City of Cape Town have been awarded the opportunity to host the Gym for Life Championship in Cape Town in 2013, which will see thousands of people from across the world come to Cape Town to take part in the popular event.

This World Gym for Life Championship is very similar to the World Gymnaestrada, the largest general gymnastics event in the world that is held every four years in a different country. The World Gymnaestrada event, as well as the Gym for Life Championship, is all about group performances. Any gender, age and size group can participate and showcase their country’s talent and culture.

Owing to the growing popularity of the World Gymnaestrada worldwide (more than 20 000 people from 60 different countries participated in the World Gymnaestrada in the past), the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG) decided to hold a similar event also every four years, but in between the World Gymnaestrada events. The World Gym for Life Championship was therefore founded and held for the first time in Austria last year in July with great success.

The SAGF and the City made a presentation to FIG at their recent meeting in Japan in a bid to host the second Gym for Life Championship in Cape Town in 2013. Thanks to the City and SAGF’s successful lobbying and bidding process, this opportunity was awarded to Cape Town.

According to Cllr Brett Herron, Mayoral Committee Member for Community Services, this event is a great opportunity to promote the sport of gymnastics in South Africa and amongst the youth in particular. “The hosting of this event in partnership with SAGF is in line with the vision of the City's Sport, Recreation and Amenities Department to promote mass participation in recreational activities. The discipline of group gymnastics does not focus on the elite gymnasts, but is rather an activity which allows ordinary people to partake on a mass level without strenuous training and skills being required.”

At the recent U/20 Cape Town International Challenge held at the Newlands rugby Stadium and the Cape Town Stadium the performance of a group of 600 local youth and adults was the highlight of the event. These participants were drawn from communities and trained at the City's community centres across the city.

In preparation for the Gym for Life Challenge in 2013 and as part of the City’s partnership with the SAGF, the City is promoting and facilitating these activities at its community centres. Because this activity is similar to free play and is focussed on movement, it does not require expensive equipment. “We will therefore be able to involve our youth and adults from disadvantaged communities in particular in the training for this event,” said Herron.

Herron added that besides the benefits that this event will hold for the communities of Cape Town, the Gym for Life Championship will also bring economic benefits. “This event will attract participants from throughout Europe, America and the rest of Africa in particular. At this stage it is envisaged that at least 5 000 participants will be involved in the Gym for Life Challenge 2013. With their families accompanying them there would also be economic benefits for the City given the fact that the event takes place in June/July, which is the low tourist season in Cape Town.”

The SAGF and the City of Cape Town hope to eventually, after successfully hosting the Gym for Life Challenge, also bring the major World Gymnaestrada event to Cape Town.


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have you examined income distribution in China recently?

If it was not an issue for China, it will not be an issue for India

Thanks for chugging in.
But do we really need to respond to Crazy Lowry quotes?
Let us just ignore Crazy Lowry.

[SIZE=4][B]Cape Town awards R3 billion tender to develop Bellville Velodrome Precinct

....... At a Council meeting on 28 October, approval was given for the City of Cape Town to award a R3 billion tender to establish retail, business, residential, hotel and conference facilities on an 11.5 ha property in the Bellville Velodrome precinct.

...... It is envisaged that the development will be completed by 20

Vow, ~ USD 400 Million....
Is it worth it just for a Velodrome in the guise of redevelopment?:ohno:

Vow, ~ USD 400 Million....
Is it worth it just for a Velodrome in the guise of redevelopment?:ohno:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Velodrome_Panorama1_resize.jpg

The velodrome is existing, and the athletics stadium is existing, built in 1997.

The velodrome upgrade will now ensure it has ample seating for the Olympic requirements of 5,000 and will be used a major concert/exhibition venue.

The surrounding office, residential, commercial development is there to ensure that the funds are available to maintain and operate the venue. It will also act as a high performance centre for athletes.

As the city owns the land, the developer will pay to operate and maintain the venue.

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The velodrome is existing, and the athletics stadium is existing, built in 1997.

The velodrome upgrade will now ensure it has ample seating for the Olympic requirements of 5,000 ......

So it is more of a revenue generating real estate model than Sporting infrastructure development.
But even after a 30 yr period the return is way too low to the actual expenditure.
The nett value accruebale to the city is also paltry after such big investment.

The Velodrome is good though.
Is that a concrete track?

Jealousy makes you nasty :hilarious

Shame, then clearly the Olympics are "beneath" wondrous Delhi :lol:

Pathetic. Neeeeext!

Oh God,
Beijing managed it 900Km away at Qingdao.
Tip of the day for Mr. Lydon :)

How's that 2020 bid coming along? You know, since the IOC does not hand over the Games on a rotation platter? :lol:

.... IOC does not hand over the Games on a rotation platter? :lol:

Grow Up Kiddo!:smug:

Avoiding the question again :lol:

Avoiding the question again :lol:

Well, This should be enough for your insatiable greed for a squabble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Summer_Olympics

Meanwhile, A bid from New Delhi for the 2020 Olympics and Paralympics will not be discussed until after this year's Commonwealth Games, Suresh Kalmadi, the President of the Indian Olympic Association (IOA), said in January 2010. But Kalmadi believes that the infrastructure left behind by the Commonwealth Games will leave Delhi with a world-class city that could cope with the Olympics......

http://www.morethanthegames.co.uk/121st-ioc-session/036511-politicking-starts-already-host-city-race-2020-olympics

South Africa will make a decision about proposed bids from Durban and Cape Town after next year's World Cup. :dizzy:

No final bid has been made by SA either. So calm down baby...

Funny that, I couldn't see what you had quoted about Delhi anywhere in the article - instead, I found this under the Cancelled Bids section:
Anticipating success in hosting large scale events such as the 2010 Commonwealth Games, the Indian Olympic Association (IOA) stated that "Delhi would bid for the 2020 Olympics." Sports minister Manohar Singh Gill later stated that funding infrastructure would come before a 2020 bid.
I also found this in the proposed bids section:
Cape Town will most likely bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games, and plans on building onto the foundation of the 2010 FIFA World Cup. The planned bid is supported by the president of South Africa, Jacob Zuma and the Cape Chamber of Commerce, as well as FIFA President Sepp Blatter
:lol:

WARSAW ?? what country??

acutally Toronto might bid for 2020 if Chicago looses 2016. So TORONTO 2020!

Funny that, I couldn't see what you had quoted about Delhi anywhere in the article - instead, I found this under the Cancelled Bids.....

The funny thing about the source stating that India won't bid for the games is that it is the only source stating it when searching for it on Google so an India hater probably wrote the article.

Source stating that India won't bid: http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216134862.html

When searching for "India won't bid for 2020 Summer Olympics" on Google: http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=India+won%27t+bid+for+2020+Olympics&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=5b99030fe9d74f8d

It is exactly fitting to the environmentally sensitive movement !! Its going to be carbon-neutral air conditioning using solar power cooling techniques. trials will be done this September for the new technology.

Unfortunately, you can't air condition a marathon, road cycling or shooting. Nor athletics walks, triathlon, equestrian, rowing or sailing.... and I guess it's preferable to have events like beach volleyball and tennis outside too.

Again, Doha is simply too hot during the period when hosting the Games is desirable....even with a number of large, air-conditioned venues.

The funny thing about the source stating that India won't bid for the games is that it is the only source stating it when searching for it on Google so an India hater probably wrote the article.

Source stating that India won't bid: http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216134862.html

When searching for "India won't bid for 2020 Summer Olympics" on Google: http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&source=hp&q=India+won%27t+bid+for+2020+Olympics&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=5b99030fe9d74f8d


Search 'manohar singh gill Delhi 2020' - you'll find these:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/sport/08-india-rules-out-2020-olympics-bid-ts-04

http://news.oneindia.in/2009/11/26/india-s-olympic-bid-country-too-poor-ms-gill.html

http://www.sportsbizasia.com/news/india-poor-olympic-bid-sports-minister/

Search 'manohar singh gill Delhi 2020' - you'll find these:

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/sport/08-india-rules-out-2020-olympics-bid-ts-04

http://news.oneindia.in/2009/11/26/india-s-olympic-bid-country-too-poor-ms-gill.html

http://www.sportsbizasia.com/news/india-poor-olympic-bid-sports-minister/

Would his opinion affect them bidding though?

Would his opinion affect them bidding though?

Not actually, it seems. President of Indian Olympic Association has said that they will bid for the 2020 Olympics. Albeit the process will start after CWG.

So it is more of a revenue generating real estate model than Sporting infrastructure development.
But even after a 30 yr period the return is way too low to the actual expenditure.
The nett value accruebale to the city is also paltry after such big investment.

The Velodrome is good though.
Is that a concrete track?

The sporting infrastructure is there, it is used, it has hosted world UCI events BUT it needs to be maintained and this revenue model allows for that for the next 10 or 20 years.

The concrete track will only be replaced once a major world championship is staged or the Olympic Games.

Its a creative solution to ensure the venue does not fall into disrepair and can continue its role as a community, sports, event and cultural event venue.

Its hosted a crazy variety of events from major concerts to cycling to gymnastics to exhibitions to markets...the list is endless.

BUT ITS GOING TO AFRICA!!!

Isn't Idianapolis too small for the games? Isn't the minimum 3,000,000 inh. in the met area?

Haha I don't know. I was just joking since everyone was just suggesting their hometown to host a game. Indianapolis couldn't afford an Olympics.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Assets-will-be-legacy-of-progressive-Delhi/Article1-563215.aspx

Thanks to Commonwealth Games, Delhi is getting infrastructure worth a whopping Rs 18,000 crore. Union urban development minister Jaipal Reddy said his department was spending this amount to create assets in the Capital that would become a legacy and would be "remembered for decades to come". This
is first time the Union government has given a number to the money being spent on Delhi for the preparations for the Games.

"We are often criticised that a lot of money has been wasted. The CWG is a big peg for big infrastructure projects, which are needed for Delhi anyway. All assets would remain a legacy of productive and progressive Delhi," Reddy said.

The central government has provided financial assistance to Delhi to buy 1,600 low-floor semi-luxury buses and sanctioned schemes for sewerage interceptors, renovation of Connaught Place and 13 big road and flyover projects.

The Union government has also invested Rs. 10,000 crore in Delhi Metro Rail Corporation for creation of 190-km of Metro network by October this year.

"The Metro cannot run on just commuter fares. We at Government of India have been generous enough to provide huge swathes of land to allow the Metro to raise money through advertising," he said.

With the government eyeing to bid for Olympic Games 2020, Reddy said the Commonwealth Games were just a trial run for the Olympics.

The creation of world-class sports infrastructure had to be made even without the Games, he added. "We have to look at long-term infrastructure gains."

Well, as Sports Minister quotes "the funding needs to be discussed".
It is the whims and fancies of a handful that can drive a nation to econmic bankruptcy with overzealous imagination of expenditure unworthy.
the guys in charge know what they are doing and shall address when necessary be it 2020 or 2024.
The wisdom of Indian Economic frugality is appreciated worldover with G8 handing the Indian PM the responsibilty of managing and directing World Economy via G20 forum.
Then again such economic realties, funding structure, planning, legacy..... are too complex for small kids.

Moreover no one wants to record the worst performance by host aka SA in 2010 FIFA WC ..... Billions spent, but performance, the worst in the history by a host or if England gets 2018, USA gets 2022, OZ/(China?) 2026 still this feat will remain unparalleled till 2030. What an ignominy to live with another 20 yrs despite spending billions of dollars? If logical investment were done in actually developing football in SA, then South Africa would have at least qualified for 2010 African Nations Cup. Hopefully, some sanity prevails before the SAn Olympic bid.

If people think Doha is too small, New Orleans & Indianapolis definitely are as well. At least Doha could have the money for one. But in reality, all 3 R non-Olympic hopefuls, for various respective reasons.

I think the year 2020 should be considered a "high-tech" year, and the 2020 Summer Olympics should be a high-tech Olympics, no matter where they are awarded. (Beijing had already promised this while they were hosting the 2008 Olympics).

If people think Doha is too small, New Orleans & Indianapolis definitely are as well. At least Doha could have the money for one. But in reality, all 3 R non-Olympic hopefuls, for various respective reasons.

various respective reasons??????
Good english to end with.

Indianapolis/new orleans are small for you???? Are you from Mars?

I think the year 2020 should be considered a "high-tech" year, and the 2020 Summer Olympics should be a high-tech Olympics, no matter where they are awarded. (Beijing had already promised this while they were hosting the 2008 Olympics).

Beijing promised free press and relaxed regime.....
But they did not deliver those. Let us not get political.

You are right. Considering Japan 2022 bid, If those high tech transmissions etc as claimed happen, then it would be gr8.

various respective reasons??????
Good english to end with.

Indianapolis/new orleans are small for you???? Are you from Mars?

Is English not your primary language? It very apparent that it's not, or you're a 5 year old, or both. What's there not to understand. :|

And yes, for a SUMMER Olympic Games, Indianapolis & New Orleans are too small. Put things into perspective first, instead of spouting off like a brat.

I think the year 2020 should be considered a "high-tech" year, and the 2020 Summer Olympics should be a high-tech Olympics, no matter where they are awarded. (Beijing had already promised this while they were hosting the 2008 Olympics).

If theirs any city that is bidding for the Olympics which is high-tech Then it have to be Tokyo, Japan.

Toronto needs to host the Commonwealth Games then Olympics im putting then 2022 commonwealth games Toronto.

Cape Town will iver get 2024 or 2028 Games theirs is still lots of poverty in the South East area but by 2024 it will be 68% of the Slums will be gone and by 2028 it will be 84% Gone.

So Matthew you are currently in Tokyo untill oct 2012 and you will be living in Cape Town from oct 2012 untill 2022??? Whats after that?

2020 olympic will be somewhere in Africa & Middle East

2020 olympic will be somewhere in Africa & Middle East

No way in Africa in 2020. It would bee 2024 or 2028 in Africa.
And in the Middle east no way until the have Same women and gay rights in those counties.
Future Games in Asia Tokyo, Japan 2020. Bangkok, Thailand 2040. Dubai, UAE 2064.

^^
Are you gay or something?

Yes i am Thats why i hate the middle east my boyfriend and i got in to trobble in Dubai for kissing each other then i went to my lawer and its ever counties in the Middle East apart from Turkey and Isreal that have the Same rights. I love Isreal.

maybe you and lydon should hook up lol.

Lol at all the Mattew Lowry tags!

OMG I dont think Lydon is gay lol.

I thought you had a girlfriend Matt Lowry? Or maybe you have a girlfriend AND a boyfriend?

Matt Lowry is a player.

I honestly think Africa will get an Olympic Games sooner rather than later. To be totally honest I was surprised to see Rio win over Chicago, and I've been looking at their bid book and they had a really strong bid! I imagine we'll see a similar situation coming out of Africa for 2020.

If people think Doha is too small, New Orleans & Indianapolis definitely are as well. At least Doha could have the money for one. But in reality, all 3 R non-Olympic hopefuls, for various respective reasons.
Yeah, but they are in a country of over 310 million people and probably 335 million people in 2024.

OMG I dont think Lydon is gay lol.

I thought you had a girlfriend Matt Lowry? Or maybe you have a girlfriend AND a boyfriend?

Matt Lowry is a player.
haha :lol:
Isn't she the one that's apparently secretary for a major IOC figure?
Player indeed :rofl:

I was joking about Indianapolis just because people were suggesting their hometowns. I don't see where we could afford to build an Olympic Stadium or Olympic Village. Hosting the Super Bowl and Final Four seems like what we will max out at.

Well, This should be enough for your insatiable greed for a squabble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Summer_Olympics

Meanwhile, A bid from New Delhi for the 2020 Olympics and Paralympics will not be discussed until after this year's Commonwealth Games, Suresh Kalmadi, the President of the Indian Olympic Association (IOA), said in January 2010. But Kalmadi believes that the infrastructure left behind by the Commonwealth Games will leave Delhi with a world-class city that could cope with the Olympics......

Wikipedia? Wikipedia? Oh my :|

maybe you and lydon should hook up lol.

Lol at all the Mattew Lowry tags!

I'd rather live in one of our "many slums" :hilarious

OMG I dont think Lydon is gay lol.

http://rikzricci.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/lightbulb-idea.jpg

:D

Is English not your primary language? It very apparent that it's not, or you're a 5 year old, or both. What's there not to understand. :|

And yes, for a SUMMER Olympic Games, Indianapolis & New Orleans are too small. Put things into perspective first, instead of spouting off like a brat.

YES NEW ORLEANS IS A SMALL CITY BUT STILL CAN HANDLE BIG EVENTS!!!! BUT ITS GOING TO BE ALSO THE GULF COAST FOR THE 2024 OLYMPIC

@ Lydon-

I'm raaaather blond. I don't get it.... the lightbulb! LMAO :D


@Archbishop- Well, things to keep in mind (especially for the future) are that funding sources come from all sorts of places, and the more creative cities are with carving up the pie, the more successful and sustainable they are to potentially host the Olympics!

I honestly don't see why it wouldn't be feasible in the future for Indy to host.

That being said, I dont see it happening for the longest time, especially if they dont bother trying to build a bid. The Superbowl and Final Four are great events for Indy to host!

BTW- I've been to Indy multiple times and I must honestly say I love that city! By far it is one of the friendliest cities I've ever been to. It made quite an impression on me, one particular time, I was involved in a tornado not far from Terre Haute, and when I got to indy, everyone was so nice, helpful and very neighborly. They made me feel ok and safe, even though I had just had my arm ripped off (not literally, but you know what I mean). :)

@ Lydon-

I'm raaaather blond. I don't get it.... the lightbulb! LMAO :D

AKA you've just been enlightened ;)

Gonna be so funny if Tokyo, South Africa or anywhere in the Middle East dont bid!!! All this online rating and raving for nothing lol..

^^ Don't worry guys:

PARIS 2020 or 2024 !!!! (our mayor is gay and socialist..I am straight and conservative, but I love him :yes:)

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2183/actupcapote.jpg http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1786/gayprideparis20091.jpg

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5597/gayprideparis2009.jpg http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5215/pasttatgaypride2005.jpg

^^ Lol at Paris's 300 000 gay pride parade. Toronto has 1 million plus attendance.

^^ :ohno: (if you want to play that silly game: lol at Toronto :nuts:) : The first "Marche des Fiertés" held in Paris, was in 1971!!!

PS: despite your new avatar, You're still as uneducated as you were !!!

If people think Doha is too small, New Orleans & Indianapolis definitely are as well. At least Doha could have the money for one. But in reality, all 3 R non-Olympic hopefuls, for various respective reasons.

It has been mentioned in the past that approximately 2million is the "minimum" population needed by an Olympic city and a population over 3million is desirable.

While New Orlenas and Indianapolis do not meet these targets inherently, their surrounding and adjacent population centres give them populations well in excess of these two figures. They're also well above the 3 million when you consider each cities regional (state) population.

Given the size of Qatar and that its population is centred on Doha, one would assume it is in a weaker position with regards to population compared to the two American cities.

In saying that, smaller US cities like NO and Indianapolis struggle compared to Doha when it comes to financial and government support. When it comes to the US only larger cities (New York, Chicago, Los Angeles) are real contenders without strong private/commercial support; like what we saw with Delta/Coke in Atlanta. The only city(s) in the US that comes to mind other than those mentioned would be Dallas or Houston.

The Qatari government's huge capability when it comes to financially supporting a Games is its biggest asset.

Yeah, but they are in a country of over 310 million people and probably 335 million people in 2024.

Countries don't host the Olympics though. *Cities* do.

That's like suggesting Enfield, CT can host simply because it's located in a country of 300 million + people. It doesn't work that way.

There are a multiple of prerequisites to meet, like infrastructure, logistics & a huge venue plan (just to even get started) that much smaller cities just can't deliver.

It has been mentioned in the past that approximately 2million is the "minimum" population needed by an Olympic city and a population over 3million is desirable.

While New Orlenas and Indianapolis do not meet these targets inherently, their surrounding and adjacent population centres give them populations well in excess of these two figures. They're also well above the 3 million when you consider each cities regional (state) population.



That is correct. That is a statement that Jacques Rogge, IOC President, made 6 years ago when small cities like Leipzig, Germany were cut from the 2012 short-list. The region surrounding Leipzig certainly reached well over 3 million (& the big population base of Berlin was only a 150 miles away), but it was the CORE (in this case, Leipzig) that was 'too small'.

Like I was mentioning to another poster, *cities* host the Olympic Games, not countries, not states nor even regions (hence, why Olympic hosts are always named after cities & not countries nor regions like the World Cup). The critical critiria, for starters, of a host city is to have at least 40k 3-5 star hotel rooms within a 30-mile radius of the host city. Indianapolis & New Orleans just don't meet this single critical criteria, no matter how you slice it.

Then there's the issue of having the venues, usually for the 25 of the 28 sports, in the host city itself. The massive infrastructure needed to transport the athletes, the spectators, the media & not to mention the IOC brass themselves. Small cities just can't cope with the huge demand. Why else do you think only big cities like Beijing, London & Rio are hosting this thing today. If Atlanta struggled back in '96 (& they were much bigger then, than Indy & New Orleans even are today), there's virtually no hope for very small cities at this stage of the game.

And in the Middle east no way until the have Same women and gay rights in those counties.

Islam is actually very protective of women and that is the reason why they wear Burqas, Hijabs and Niqabs and others... Most countries in the Middle East is also making progress in eradicating gender inequality and empowering women and there is only 2 countries, Saudi Arabia and Iran that is not making progress according to the western world.

Oh yeah and my opinion about gay rights: why can't you reproduce when you are gay? - Because it is not natuaral. I don’t think Gay rights should be approved but the WORLD should rather try to improve the way in which people treat each other because the Gay feelings is most likely caused by their circumstances.

NB. I condole to people who feels that they don't like or feel comfortable with their opposite sex and I can understand if they find compassion and love from somebody who is the same sex as them but I don’t approve of them participating in any sexual activities.

Islam is actually very protective of women and that is the reason why they wear Burqas, Hijabs and Niqabs and others... Most countries in the Middle East is also making progress in eradicating gender inequality and empowering women and there is only 2 countries, Saudi Arabia and Iran that is not making progress according to the western world.

Oh yeah and my opinion about gay rights: why can't you reproduce when you are gay? - Because it is not natuaral. I don’t think Gay rights should be approved but the WORLD should rather try to improve the way in which people treat each other because the Gay feelings is most likely caused by their circumstances.

NB. I condole to people who feels that they don't like or feel comfortable with their opposite sex and I can understand if they find compassion and love from somebody who is the same sex as them but I don’t approve of them participating in any sexual activities.

This guy should be in charge of the United Nations based on that diplomatic comment.

@Archbishop- Well, things to keep in mind (especially for the future) are that funding sources come from all sorts of places, and the more creative cities are with carving up the pie, the more successful and sustainable they are to potentially host the Olympics!

I honestly don't see why it wouldn't be feasible in the future for Indy to host.

That being said, I dont see it happening for the longest time, especially if they dont bother trying to build a bid. The Superbowl and Final Four are great events for Indy to host!

BTW- I've been to Indy multiple times and I must honestly say I love that city! By far it is one of the friendliest cities I've ever been to. It made quite an impression on me, one particular time, I was involved in a tornado not far from Terre Haute, and when I got to indy, everyone was so nice, helpful and very neighborly. They made me feel ok and safe, even though I had just had my arm ripped off (not literally, but you know what I mean). :)

Good! I'm glad to hear we helped after your unfortunate accident. I love this city a lot. Lilly and other big companies would have to fund a lot of it though. It would be really cool to have an Indianapolis Olympics.

That is correct. That is a statement that Jacques Rogge, IOC President, made 6 years ago when small cities like Leipzig, Germany were cut from the 2012 short-list. The region surrounding Leipzig certainly reached well over 3 million (& the big population base of Berlin was only a 150 miles away), but it was the CORE (in this case, Leipzig) that was 'too small'.

Like I was mentioning to another poster, *cities* host the Olympic Games, not countries, not states nor even regions (hence, why Olympic hosts are always named after cities & not countries nor regions like the World Cup). The critical critiria, for starters, of a host city is to have at least 40k 3-5 star hotel rooms within a 30-mile radius of the host city. Indianapolis & New Orleans just don't meet this single critical criteria, no matter how you slice it.

Then there's the issue of having the venues, usually for the 25 of the 28 sports, in the host city itself. The massive infrastructure needed to transport the athletes, the spectators, the media & not to mention the IOC brass themselves. Small cities just can't cope with the huge demand. Why else do you think only big cities like Beijing, London & Rio are hosting this thing today. If Atlanta struggled back in '96 (& they were much bigger then, than Indy & New Orleans even are today), there's virtually no hope for very small cities at this stage of the game.

I most certainly agree. Cities like New Orleans and Indianapolis do not have the capability of hosting the Games. Like Liepzig, while they meet a regional population standard, they aren't of sufficient size at the core (where most the action takes place) to handle such a large influx and movement of people. Like I've said, despite their populations, most US cities don't have the capacity (due to low involvement of government) to handle the Games. This of course differs to places like the Middle East, Europe and Asia.

If the US is going to have a Mid-West Games, it'll most likely be in Chicago.

Top 3 Cities in the 2020 Bid are.

Cape Town, South Africa. Prime tourist loction in Africa and Most likely bid aand Africa hasent hosted the Olympics games.
Tokyo, Japan. Great infrastructure gots lots of money and the only thing needs to be doing is build the Olympic sadia and update the old ones.
Toronto, Canada. Will host the Pan American Games in 2015 and last time that North America was in 1996 in Atlanta 24 years ago.

No Europe in 2020 becouse of 2012 London, UK. 2014 Sochi, Russia. 2018 Munich, Germany.

I need some help from indy forumers (or others) to even see what a 2020 bid would look like.

Actually, this goes for any of the cities whose names have been tossed in the hat. I understand that the judges are nowhere close to deciding on final bids, but I think we should have at least some sort of inkling about what these 2020 bids will consist of, or else we are all arguing on even MORE speculation.

Indy is kinda short on venues.... but not necessarily shorter than Tulsa 2020, which is almost certainly not going to win.

Synchronised Swimming and Water Polo at IU Natatorium- 4,200

Conseco Fieldhouse for Artistic Gymnastics and Basketball Finals- 18,000

Field Hockey at Butler Bowl- 7,500

Volleyball at Hinkle Fieldhouse- 11,000

Handball at Pepsi Coliseum- 8,200

Archery at Kuntz Stadium- 5,000

Lucas Oil Stadium for the opening and closing ceremonies- 63,000

here's where things get tricky...

Potentially Athletics at IU Carroll Stadium (although I imagine I will get ripped for this because it is too small) 12,500 capacity...also for Rugby potentially

There is also 15,000 seat Victory Field, a beautiful venue, what could be held there? Rugby?

2,200 IUPUI Gymnasium (for maybe Fencing?) also on the small side....

There is the Convention Center...with bleachers for Weightlifting in the Exhibition Space...

2,500 seat Murat Shrine...Beautiful venue...for what event I'm not sure...maybe nothing because of the size..

Golf at some golf course in Indy
Sailing in Gary (LMAO)

that only leaves...oh approximately 20 sports that would need a venue...unless someone can help me out.

So it might be hard for Indy to pull it off in 2020....maybe long into the future. The base is there.

Also, I obviously chose to ignore the transport and accomodation issues, focusing only on potential sporting venues.

Top 2 Cities are
Cape Town, South Africa and Tokyo, Japan.

Its going to to close If Cape Town Lost the 2020 Bid then it would get the 2024 Summer Olympics.

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece. They wont have to pay much for these games becouse they have all the sadia but they may need to upgrard by then.
2048 Toronto, Canada
2052 Some where in Brazil like Brasilia or Sao Paulo or BH or maybe Rio de Janerio again
2056 Berlin, Germany
2060 Perth, Australia
2064 Osaka, Japan

I need some help from indy forumers (or others) to even see what a 2020 bid would look like.

Actually, this goes for any of the cities whose names have been tossed in the hat. I understand that the judges are nowhere close to deciding on final bids, but I think we should have at least some sort of inkling about what these 2020 bids will consist of, or else we are all arguing on even MORE speculation.

Indy is kinda short on venues.... but not necessarily shorter than Tulsa 2020, which is almost certainly not going to win.

Synchronised Swimming and Water Polo at IU Natatorium- 4,200

Conseco Fieldhouse for Artistic Gymnastics and Basketball Finals- 18,000

Field Hockey at Butler Bowl- 7,500

Volleyball at Hinkle Fieldhouse- 11,000

Handball at Pepsi Coliseum- 8,200

Archery at Kuntz Stadium- 5,000

Lucas Oil Stadium for the opening and closing ceremonies- 63,000

here's where things get tricky...

Potentially Athletics at IU Carroll Stadium (although I imagine I will get ripped for this because it is too small) 12,500 capacity...also for Rugby potentially

There is also 15,000 seat Victory Field, a beautiful venue, what could be held there? Rugby?

2,200 IUPUI Gymnasium (for maybe Fencing?) also on the small side....

There is the Convention Center...with bleachers for Weightlifting in the Exhibition Space...

2,500 seat Murat Shrine...Beautiful venue...for what event I'm not sure...maybe nothing because of the size..

Golf at some golf course in Indy
Sailing in Gary (LMAO)

that only leaves...oh approximately 20 sports that would need a venue...unless someone can help me out.

So it might be hard for Indy to pull it off in 2020....maybe long into the future. The base is there.

Also, I obviously chose to ignore the transport and accomodation issues, focusing only on potential sporting venues.

I think a city like Indianapolis could only realistically host an Olympic Games with the construction of the following venues:

1. A major 80,000 athletics stadium that could also host the ceremonies and be downsized moderately to 65,000 for the Colts. Given the relatively young nature and expense of Lucas Oil Stadium this is an unlikely proposition for a minimum of say 30-40 years, I would think. Expanding Carroll Stadium has some merit but smacks of the proposal to downsize the proposed Chicago Olympic Stadium. I'm not sure what kind of work it would require to build what amounts to 70,000 temporary seats but I could guess it would be massive and potentially ridiculously expensive.

2. A replacement for the IU Natatorium that would could temporarily seat something like 17,000 and then downsized afterwards.

3. A second major arena to take some of the load off of the Fieldhouse given that basketball and gymnastics each need around 15,000 seats and are pretty much in use every night.

4. Further convention space and possibly even an additional facility. When one considers all of the so-called big box type sports (table tennis, judo, weightlifting, etc) that can be accommodated in locations such as convention centers that only require square footage and temporary seating and playing installations, as well as the need for a huge amount of space for the IBC and MPC it probably runs into the millions of square feet. If a location has an abundance of small, gymnasium type facilities that could theoretically counter this thinking.

5. More specialty-type venues that you or I are drawing a blank on at present time.

It's the beginning of a bid, but probably not one that could seriously be entertained for a period of at least 20 years. Perhaps a location like Indianapolis would be better served to consider another attempt at hosting a Pan Am Games as the infrastructure and venue plans is probably more in line with that for the foreseeable future.

In all honesty, I don't see any American city, with the exception of a place like Los Angeles (or maybe New York) having a chance of any kind to host the Summer Olympics any time in the next 20 years. As long as the IOC continues to do as well as they do with the television money as they currently are there really is no need to come to the States all that often, save for a token appearance here and there.

2044 Athens, Greece. They wont have to pay much for these games becouse they have all the sadia but they may need to upgrard by then.


you seriously think 40 year old stadium will not need much of an upgrade?

Over the last decade, the city of Dubai is one of the fastest growing in the world and major construction projects constantly add to its impressive array of skyscrapers and high-tech buildings. The urban heat island (UHI) is a contiguous built-up area which is significantly warmer than its surrounding rural areas.

The main cause of the urban heat island is modification of the land surface by urban development which uses materials which effectively retain heat. Waste heat generated by energy usage is a secondary contributor. As population centers grow they tend to modify a greater and greater area of land and have a corresponding increase in average temperature.

With Dubai Municipality being committed to promote sustainable development, the Environment Department in association with Geographical Information System (GIS) launched the Dubai Areal Thermal Survey study with a contract from COWI, UK in October 2009 to map thermal data of the city to understand the prevalence of Urban Heat Island (UHI) and to identify the objects being heated and emitting heat to the surroundings. The aerial collection of thermal data was made in the 1st week December 2009 over the 600 sq. km area of urban environment.

Based on the thermal mapping data, the report provides an overview of the UHI phenomenon in Dubai. The temperatures are higher in more densely built up areas, and lower near parks or more open areas. The temperatures are particularly sensitive to surface conditions such as during daytime, dry, dark surfaces that strongly absorb sunlight become very hot, while lighter and/or moist surfaces are much cooler

Urban Heat Islands has far reaching environmental sustainability and implications for people's health and quality of life. Summer heat islands can increase the demand for energy for air conditioning, which releases more heat into the air as well as greenhouse gas emissions, degrading local air quality. Higher urban temperatures in the daytime may increase the formation of urban smog, because both emissions of precursor pollutants and the atmospheric photo-chemical reaction rates increase. Heat islands may also directly impact human health by exacerbating heat stress during heat waves, even in temperate areas, and by providing conditions suitable for the spread of vector-borne diseases.

The issue of Urban Heat Islands in Dubai needs to be addressed strategically at various levels involving various public and private stakeholders to mitigate the UHI effect. Over the years, a vast number of initiatives have been implemented around the world to decrease the temperature of urban heat islands in big cities especially in United States, Europe, Australia, Japan and others.

As the first step, the Dubai Municipality has to established UHI mitigation task force to identify stakeholders' roles and responsibilities, short and long term goals, mitigation measures that could be develop based on the condition of this region, implementation period and budget frame including barriers and solutions for program implementation. Currently the Environment Department is verifying the identified hot spots indicated in the thermal map through actual site visits to ascertain the veracity of the report which is an important tool in the actual implementation of mitigation measures.

http://www.ameinfo.com/237628.html


I am just posting this to show that Dubai is doing something to try and adress climate issues for their possible bid for the 2020 Olympics Games...

you seriously think 40 year old stadium will not need much of an upgrade?

I said may i never said will learn to read.
+ the next Athens Games wont cost much as the 2004 games. The Athens games in 2004 cost 14billion US$

Like Sarajevo, Bosnia and Herzegovina they dont have much money but after the War in the Bosina war from 1992 to 1996 the USA, EU, Coke and the IOC rebuild the sadia but the Tourism industry is booming in Bosnia and Herzegovina

South Africans can be proud of themselves after the country staged one of the most successful World Cup tournaments in history. I support Cape Town for 2020!

My favourites:

1- Cape Town
2- Hiroshima
3- Rome
4- Paris

Other amazing cities to host the games:

Chicago, San Francisco, New York, Dubai and Durban.

I need some help from indy forumers (or others) to even see what a 2020 bid would look like.

Actually, this goes for any of the cities whose names have been tossed in the hat. I understand that the judges are nowhere close to deciding on final bids, but I think we should have at least some sort of inkling about what these 2020 bids will consist of, or else we are all arguing on even MORE speculation.

Indy is kinda short on venues.... but not necessarily shorter than Tulsa 2020, which is almost certainly not going to win.

Synchronised Swimming and Water Polo at IU Natatorium- 4,200

Conseco Fieldhouse for Artistic Gymnastics and Basketball Finals- 18,000

Field Hockey at Butler Bowl- 7,500

Volleyball at Hinkle Fieldhouse- 11,000

Handball at Pepsi Coliseum- 8,200

Archery at Kuntz Stadium- 5,000

Lucas Oil Stadium for the opening and closing ceremonies- 63,000

here's where things get tricky...

Potentially Athletics at IU Carroll Stadium (although I imagine I will get ripped for this because it is too small) 12,500 capacity...also for Rugby potentially

There is also 15,000 seat Victory Field, a beautiful venue, what could be held there? Rugby?

2,200 IUPUI Gymnasium (for maybe Fencing?) also on the small side....

There is the Convention Center...with bleachers for Weightlifting in the Exhibition Space...

2,500 seat Murat Shrine...Beautiful venue...for what event I'm not sure...maybe nothing because of the size..

Golf at some golf course in Indy
Sailing in Gary (LMAO)

that only leaves...oh approximately 20 sports that would need a venue...unless someone can help me out.

So it might be hard for Indy to pull it off in 2020....maybe long into the future. The base is there.

Also, I obviously chose to ignore the transport and accomodation issues, focusing only on potential sporting venues.

I think it would have to look like this:

Track & Field, soccer final, opening and closing ceremonies: Indianapolis Olympic Stadium (capacity around 80K, to be reduced down for an Indy MLB or MLS team)

Swimming, Diving, Synchronized Swimming: IU Natatorium (renovated to seat around 17,000, would be very expensive)

Basketball, Handball: Conseco Fieldhouse

Field Hockey: Victory Field (renovated to fit a field)

Volleyball: Hinkle Fieldhouse

Weightlifting, Table Tennis, Shooting, Badminton, Wrestling: Convention Center

Gymnastics, some soccer: Lucas Oil Stadium

Tennis: Rebuilt tennis center

Rugby: Carroll Stadium

Beach volleyball: Temporary stadium

Golf: Brickyard golf course (whatever it's called) or Crooked Stick

Archery: Butler Bowl or Kuntz

That's all I've got right now but it covers a lot. Clearly this would be horrendously expensive, and building the Olympic Village would be one of the most expensive.

I have a question.

Hypothetically speaking, could any of the following American cities be put together a good Olympic plan? As in, what would it look like?

-Philadelphia
-Detroit
-Houston
-San Francisco
-Seattle
-Miami
-Dallas
-Boston
-Minneapolis
-Washington D.C.

Not necessarily in 2020

Thanks to both Archbishop and broncoempire! :)


I clearly stated that a bid from Indy would not be feasible soon, but at least it got us thinking what a bid might actually compose of! Good Stuff! I didn't even think about having gymnastics in Lucas Oil....

Also, I didn't think about having an Olympic Stadium scaled back after the games for an MLB team. Isn't that what Atlanta did?

I have a question.

Hypothetically speaking, could any of the following American cities be put together a good Olympic plan? As in, what would it look like?

-Philadelphia
-Detroit
-Houston
-San Francisco
-Seattle
-Miami
-Dallas
-Boston
-Minneapolis
-Washington D.C.

Not necessarily in 2020

San Francisco and Dallas would probably be too spread out. I don't think Detroit could afford it. Out of that list Washington DC would be my favorite.


Thanks to both Archbishop and broncoempire! :)


I clearly stated that a bid from Indy would not be feasible soon, but at least it got us thinking what a bid might actually compose of! Good Stuff! I didn't even think about having gymnastics in Lucas Oil....

Also, I didn't think about having an Olympic Stadium scaled back after the games for an MLB team. Isn't that what Atlanta did?

Lucas Oil Stadium would be a great venue because it could basically host anything that can fit on a rectangular field. It could be the smaller, half field version like this

http://www.ticketmastervip.com/cached/_images/native/500x500/93ac76081c88ca3831c33b2ed99b5c3c/lucas-oil-stadium-basketball-5726.jpg

Like it was set up for a Gonzaga-IU and Notre Dame-Ohio State basketball gameday or it could be the field for a sport like soccer or if they wanted to have a lot of people in there they could go to the Final Four set up.

You need a first class athletic stadium. You can't get around that no matter what. And London's "temporary" one costs as much as a permanent. (and might end up as one)

An Indianapolis bid could host some indoor events in local high school gymnasiums. In Indiana, a lot of them seat more than 3000.

^^ :ohno: (if you want to play that silly game: lol at Toronto :nuts:) : The first "Marche des Fiertés" held in Paris, was in 1971!!!

PS: despite your new avatar, You're still as uneducated as you were !!!

Hopefully France in 2014 is as wasteful as they were in this world cup. It brings great reality T.V!!!

I have a question.

Hypothetically speaking, could any of the following American cities be put together a good Olympic plan? As in, what would it look like?

-Philadelphia
-Detroit, hmm i dont think so, too poor.
-Houston
-San Francisco, if the Games come to the US, SF would be a perfect setting, or maybe San Diego would be a perfect option.
-Seattle
-Miami, no, and no. Miami doesn't even have a good public transportation.
-Dallas
-Boston
-Minneapolis
-Washington D.C., It would be a good idea.

Not necessarily in 2020
..............

Now for the Olympics, says man who brought World Cup to South Africa
Danny Jordaan says the image makeover his country has undergone may pave way for Games bid

Owen Gibson
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 11 July 2010 16.48 BST
Article history

The man who worked for 16 years to deliver the World Cup in South Africa has claimed it achieved an "image makeover" for the country and pointed the way towards a possible bid for the Olympics.

Danny Jordaan, chief executive of the 2010 organising committee, said that South Africa's widely commended hosting of the tournament, despite doubts in the years leading up to it, had changed international perceptions of the country.

"This World Cup has helped change the image of South Africa, achieved an image makeover of the country, almost a rebranding of the country. And also a demonstration of the capacity of the country," he said.

The infrastructure investment required to deliver Africa's first World Cup was the subject of intense argument, but organisers consistently claimed that changing perceptions of potential investors and tourists would be a key benefit.

Jordaan said that more than 3 million people watched the 64 matches live, making it the third best attended World Cup. Another 3 million watched in fan parks in South Africa and 4 million more in international fan parks, an innovation that saw large crowds watching on big screens in Berlin, Sydney, Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City and elsewhere.

Jordaan paid tribute to the South African public for embracing the tournament and backing other teams once Bafana Bafana narrowly went out in the group stages.

"The South African team dropped out in the first round and they started supporting every other nation – they supported England, Brazil, Argentina," he said.

"Every South African, if you walk in the street and talk to them, feels an immense sense of pride. "They are very proud of what has been achieved and very happy with the infrastructure that has been delivered for the purpose of this World Cup. Overall, there's a very, very positive spirit in the country."

Jordaan said it was disappointing that England, which had one of the largest groups of travelling supporters as well as the backing of many South Africans, failed to progress further.

"It was incredible to see how the South Africans supported the event. We were all hoping England would stay the course and be in the later stages of the competition, but we all agreed in the end it was not the England we had hoped for. England are back to the drawing board for 2014 and 2018."

Not everything has run smoothly. There were empty seats at many games and criticism of the ticketing sales process. After the tournament, attention will turn to whether the impressive stadiums built for the World Cup have a viable future.

Jordaan said that the focus must turn to attracting white, middle-class fans who had attended matches for the first time, or were fans of the English Premier League, to domestic football.

He was confident that rugby clubs could be persuaded to move into the stadiums, predicting that their sponsors and backers would put pressure on them to do so once they saw the enhanced facilities.

Many of the empty seats were the result of ticket holders failing to turn up, as well as a slump in hospitality sales. These issues will be tackled this week at a debriefing session.

The World Cup ticket sales process is overseen by Fifa, which has already said there will be changes for the 2014 tournament in Brazil.

It subcontracts the hospitality sales to a company called Match, which also has the service contract for accommodation and transport.

Much of the pre-tournament fears centred around crime and security, but these proved unfounded due to 41,000 dedicated police and diligent planning.

"In every situation it's important that everyone knows what is expected from each individual," Jordaan said. "That means we had drills in every one of our World Cup venues, we had security drills, we had scenario planning. We prepared for every possible scenario.

"It's like football, you drill over and over and over until you perfect it. That is what we've done."

Jordaan said that in proving it could successfully host the World Cup, South Africa had boosted its chances of being chosen to host the Olympics. After the 2016 games in Rio, Africa will be the only major continent not to have hosted the Olympics.

The International Olympic Committee president, Jacques Rogge, was at the final and was expected to discuss the issue with government officials and potential bidding cities. Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg have all been linked with a potential bid for the 2020 games.

The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, has backed the idea.

"If there is any country in Africa that can host the Olympics it is South Africa. I can tell you that if a country can host a Fifa World Cup successfully then that country can definitely organise the Olympics," he said.

"South Africa has shown what it can do ... if South Africa wants to host the Olympics I would fully support such a candidature."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jul/11/worldcup2010-southafrica

^^
Yeah!!!! :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

South Africa now! Cape Town now!

One of the most beautiful cities in the world, Table Mountain... I Love :cheers:

I have a question.

Hypothetically speaking, could any of the following American cities be put together a good Olympic plan? As in, what would it look like?

-Philadelphia
-Detroit
-Houston
-San Francisco
-Seattle
-Miami
-Dallas
-Boston
-Minneapolis
-Washington D.C.

Not necessarily in 2020

Houston, San Francisco and Washington all made bids for the US 2012 bid city (which was eventually won by NYC). So I would assume all these cities are capable.

Cities like Boston, Philli, Miami, Seattle, Minneapolis and Dallas could have the capability now and into the future. Detroit has it's financial issues but has bid for the Olympic Games on several occasions in the past.

In the modern era, the US has been represented at the Games by two cities, Atlanta and Los Angeles. I would think that any push for the Games from herein would come from other US regions like the North-East (New York, Philli, Washington, Boston), Midewest (Chicago, Minneapolis) or upper west coast (Seattle).

Texas is really an unknown at this point.

You need a first class athletic stadium. You can't get around that no matter what. And London's "temporary" one costs as much as a permanent. (and might end up as one)

+1. Agree 150%.
London temporary seems farcical. If not for the future maintenance cost, teh initial cost is same as any permanent one.

London isn't exactly synonymous with value for money when it comes to construction. Wembley did, after all, cost a good 4/5 times more than Cape Town Stadium did :lol:

In the Final round Tokyo and Cape Town.
The winner could be won by a single vote like the 1956bid.
This is going to be close.
But i think after beijing 2008 and rio de janerio 2016 i think the IOC is going to go to a safe city like Tokyo or Rome.
But if Cape Town lost the bid then they will win the 2024 Olympics.

Cape Town is safer then Rio de Janerio the only Crime i ever run into in the 5 months that ive been the city was done by a monkey pinch my lunch on Table Mountain.

Im a city planner in Cape Town and in the next 7 years we will be fixing up and impoveing the people living to like uss rich people in the west in Cape Town. We will be fixing up theirs placers are Blue Downs and Khayelitsha. In the area where the boxing will take place at Oliver Tambo Sports Centre if we get the Games.

London isn't exactly synonymous with value for money when it comes to construction. Wembley did, after all, cost a good 4/5 times more than Cape Town Stadium did :lol:

and almost as much as all our venues combined.

You need a first class athletic stadium. You can't get around that no matter what. And London's "temporary" one costs as much as a permanent. (and might end up as one)

Because London was ripped off.

Vancouver just had a 27,000 seat temporary stadium put in place in 3 months for $15 million.

The Olympics these days a burden for any city that has them. The aount of venues needed that will never make a profit in the future is really just throwing away cash.

Is there a concern in SA that after spending nearly $6 billion on the WC that another similar amount will be needed to try and host an Olympics?

The Olympics these days a burden for any city that has them. The aount of venues needed that will never make a profit in the future is really just throwing away cash.

Is there a concern in SA that after spending nearly $6 billion on the WC that another similar amount will be needed to try and host an Olympics?

The Olympic Games will cost double or triple that.

As much that i love Brazil and Rio de Janerio i think that they got the games litle bit soon before oct 2009 before i joined SSC and moved to Cape Town this was my list.
Becouse Rio got 6.1 million people in poverty and thats a lot of people to get a job and out of poverty in 7 years


2016 Chicago, USA
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Athens, Greece..

Well Cape Town needs some more done to impove the citys poor. but Cape Town by 2028 will be a advance city like the Australian citys.

Now its.
2016 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy
2028 Cape Town, South Africa
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Perth or Brisbane, Australia
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece

Well Perth is Closer to Asia, Europe and Africa.
The Internatianal Airport is being 5 times bigger then it is today by 2024.
Perth will have longer shooping hours by 2014 and wondefull weather in Perth.

^^^^ I still dont understand why this guy hasnt been banned. It's clear to everyone with an average sized brain that this guy is making stuff up left right and centre. How can someone know absolutely everything about every city on this planet? I dont blame him for his stupidity, rather blame the moderators for not doing anything about it. He ruined this thread a long time ago with his stupid lists :ohno:

South Africa is officially bidding for the 2020 Olympics! :cheers:

SA will bid for 2020 Olympics
2010-07-13 16:07

Johannesburg - South Africa’s governing Olympic body, SASCOC, today announced that it would formally oversee a bid for the 2020 Games and encouraged potential host cities to state their intention of being involved in the process.

The dramatic news was announced by the chief executive officer of SASCOC, Tubby Reddy, and comes in the wake of resounding international acclaim for the manner in which South Africa staged the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

Africa’s first soccer World Cup drew to a close on Sunday, 11 July, and has been hailed far and wide as an overwhelming advertisement for the country and the continent.

No African city has staged the Olympic Games, but after President Jacob Zuma had publicly declared the World Cup a success he then expressed confidence that South Africa could do a similarly excellent job in 2020.

“For our eyes to be on 2020, we are not weary,” President Zuma said “because we have the facilities.”

Enthused by the president’s endorsement, the SASCOC board met today (Tuesday) to discuss the possibility of overseeing a 2020 bid process. “I can confirm that in light of President Zuma’s comments we met today,” said the SASCOC CEO, Tubby Reddy.

“We have decided that the way forward would be to engage government and key stakeholders on the way forward, but our intention is to provide a world-class city capable of hosting Africa’s first Olympic Games in 2020.”

Mr Reddy added that any city that wanted to be involved in the bidding process would need to contact him directly, as SASCOC CEO, and he would provide them with the procedure as to what’s required to bid for the Games.

South Africa lost out in the race for the 2004 Olympics, when Cape Town won the internal race ahead of Durban and Johannesburg, with the International Olympic Committee awarding the Games to Athens.

However, the president of the IOC, Jacques Rogge, in the country to attend the final of the World Cup, had said on Monday: “From the start, when South Africa were named as World Cup hosts, we all knew the country would be able to organise the tournament. Now it is up to you as a nation to decide if you want to host this (2020 Olympics) event.”

SASCOC, also thanks to President Zuma’s encouragement and endorsement, has now taken the first steps towards that 2020 commitment.

Source: News24 (http://www.sport24.co.za/OtherSport/SA-will-bid-for-2020-Olympics-20100713)

As much that i love Brazil and Rio de Janerio i think that they got the games litle bit soon before oct 2009 before i joined SSC and moved to Cape Town this was my list.
Becouse Rio got 6.1 million people in poverty and thats a lot of people to get a job and out of poverty in 7 years


2016 Chicago, USA
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Athens, Greece..

Well Cape Town needs some more done to impove the citys poor. but Cape Town by 2028 will be a advance city like the Australian citys.

Now its.
2016 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy
2028 Cape Town, South Africa
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Perth or Brisbane, Australia
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece

Well Perth is Closer to Asia, Europe and Africa.
The Internatianal Airport is being 5 times bigger then it is today by 2024.
Perth will have longer shooping hours by 2014 and wondefull weather in Perth.

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As much that i love Brazil and Rio de Janerio i think that they got the games litle bit soon before oct 2009 before i joined SSC and moved to Cape Town this was my list.
Becouse Rio got 6.1 million people in poverty and thats a lot of people to get a job and out of poverty in 7 years


2016 Chicago, USA
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Athens, Greece..

Well Cape Town needs some more done to impove the citys poor. but Cape Town by 2028 will be a advance city like the Australian citys.

Now its.
2016 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy
2028 Cape Town, South Africa
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Perth or Brisbane, Australia
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece

Well Perth is Closer to Asia, Europe and Africa.
The Internatianal Airport is being 5 times bigger then it is today by 2024.
Perth will have longer shooping hours by 2014 and wondefull weather in Perth.

This is the most unfortunate lie :omg::omg::omg::omg::omg:

6.1 million people is the total population of Rio. The number of poverty is much lower. The Rio de Janeiro IDH is 0.842 – high :mad:

South Africa will officially bid for the 2020 Summer Olympics, which means the war is on between Johannesburg, Cape Town, and Durban.

I have a question.

Hypothetically speaking, could any of the following American cities be put together a good Olympic plan? As in, what would it look like?

-Philadelphia
-Detroit
-Houston
-San Francisco
-Seattle
-Miami
-Dallas
-Boston
-Minneapolis
-Washington D.C.

Not necessarily in 2020

Realistically speaking, only 'some' of the cities on your list could be able to put up a 'good' Olympic plan. Cities like Detroit, Minneapolis & Houston would never survive the international competition.

The IOC generally awards the Summer Games these days to Alpha world cities, & usually the massive venue plan that they offer up, smaller cities just wouldn't be able to deliver, since the huge cost of doing so would put the general public in those smaller localities in an uproar.

Mounting an Olympic bid is not something cities should take for granted. It's not like hosting a Superbowl. It's like hosting 10 Superbowls, at least, at the same time in the same city, for 2 1/2 weeks straight. Not an easy task, by any means.

seattle/vancouver for 2028 Olympics :D

Well Perth is Closer to Asia, Europe and Africa.The Internatianal Airport is being 5 times bigger then it is today by 2024.
Perth will have longer shooping hours by 2014 and wondefull weather in Perth.

Mate, there just isn't the will to get the Games to Perth that early. Sure Perth may be one of the only Cities in the World that can put an Athletics sized stadium to full use before and after but we just don't need the added venues. Perth isn't exactly know for its value for money, even the temporary things would cost huge sums.

Perth can provide and Australian Football stadium for Athlietics, 70 000 / 80 000. One point Perth has over Brisbane but we don't have Dry winters like them.
A central arena, boosted from 13500 to 18000 by enlcosing the horse shoe of the current arena under construction by building over the railtracks.
Rowing, Canoeing and Sailing facilities etc
... this list goes on but we don't at least for the next generation have need for all the secondary venues in the 8000 to 10 000 seat range.

I'd say Perth's best chance is mid century by the earliest but by then even more cities form around the world (especially the developing world) would have reached sufficient modernisation and would be more desperate to host the Olympics as a "Coming Out" party.

Mate, there just isn't the will to get the Games to Perth that early. Sure Perth may be one of the only Cities in the World that can put an Athletics sized stadium to full use before and after but we just don't need the added venues. Perth isn't exactly know for its value for money, even the temporary things would cost huge sums.

Perth can provide and Australian Football stadium for Athlietics, 70 000 / 80 000. One point Perth has over Brisbane but we don't have Dry winters like them.
A central arena, boosted from 13500 to 18000 by enlcosing the horse shoe of the current arena under construction by building over the railtracks.
Rowing, Canoeing and Sailing facilities etc
... this list goes on but we don't at least for the next generation have need for all the secondary venues in the 8000 to 10 000 seat range.

I'd say Perth's best chance is mid century by the earliest but by then even more cities form around the world (especially the developing world) would have reached sufficient modernisation and would be more desperate to host the Olympics as a "Coming Out" party.

Agree Harvey

If WA cannot even agree 100% to fund the expansion of Subiaco - a stadium primarily for AFL which WA is mad about and they fill out every week - getting them to fund stadium for usage which is going to be much less will be like pushing the preverbial up hill.

Perth will happen, but not for a little while yet.

Perth will happen, but not for a little while yet.

What the new Football Stadium or an Olympics?

Football Stadium; Yes, during this decade.

Summer Olympics; Probably never, Australia has be been incredibly fortunate to have hosted 2 SOG's. I imagine most people overseas would feel that Australia has been very well represented considering its population, at least for the next generation. If Australia is to host another SOG's in the distant future, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will probably be more popular choices than Perth as they will still be larger. If Perth were to host in the future, no current facility would be in use.

South Africa will officially bid for the 2020 Summer Olympics, which means the war is on between Johannesburg, Cape Town, and Durban.

Dont think Johannesburg is in the running. Joburg is too "industrial" and lacks the natural beauty of Cape Town and Durban in my opinion. Would be a mistake to take it there...

What the new Football Stadium or an Olympics?

Football Stadium; Yes, during this decade.

Summer Olympics; Probably never, Australia has be been incredibly fortunate to have hosted 2 SOG's. I imagine most people overseas would feel that Australia has been very well represented considering its population, at least for the next generation. If Australia is to host another SOG's in the distant future, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane will probably be more popular choices than Perth as they will still be larger. If Perth were to host in the future, no current facility would be in use.

the stadium will happen, and sooner rather than later, but the pain to get there is baffling

on an Olympic bid, I agree AU is a fair drink away from hosting a third, but our success of doing it makes it more viable than some other nations.

as for Perth, in 30+ I reckon they will be a stronger candidate than Brisbane (given the growth of Perth, and my own personal preferences)

My list to the SOG

2020 - Cape Town
2024 - Paris
2028 - Toronto
2032 - Some asia pacific city (From Dubai to Auckland)
2036 - Berlin

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Thanks

But we will still get matthew's shitty lists so yeah we still lose lol

But we will still get matthew's shitty lists so yeah we still lose lol

So in the end, no one wins, I guess.

My list to the SOG

2020 - Cape Town
2024 - Paris
2028 - Toronto
2032 - Some asia pacific city (From Dubai to Auckland)
2036 - Berlin

2020 - Durban (1st bid)
2024 - Durban/Chicago
2028 - Paris/Tokyo
2032 - hopefully an Indian city

Here's another telling sign/comment of how strong a South African 2020 Olympic Games bid would be...

OLYMPICS
JOC chief wary of S Africa in bid race for 2020 OlympicsThursday 15th July, 03:35 AM JST

TOKYO —
Japanese Olympic Committee chief Tsunekazu Takeda expressed wariness Wednesday after South Africa emerged as a new rival in Japan’s bid to host the 2020 Summer Olympics.
‘‘We kind of had expected this but South Africa is definitely a strong contender nevertheless,’’ said Takeda following Tuesday’s announcement that the ‘‘Rainbow Nation’’ will now try to host the 2020 Olympics after its success in staging the World Cup finals.
‘‘We need to carefully analyze how and in which city South Africa is planning to host the Olympics,’’ the JOC president added.

From Japan, Tokyo and Hiroshima are considering bidding for the 2020 Olympics. Tokyo lost in its bid to host the 2016 Olympics to Rio de Janeiro last year.

‘‘We must decide on our next course of action and act quickly,’’ JOC Secretary General Noriyuki Ichihara said. ‘‘Just as Rio won the right for it being the first South American city to host the Olympics, a favorable wind may blow to the continent of Africa.’‘

South Africa has stressed that it would be the first venue of the Olympics in Africa. Among other contenders, Rome has already announced its bid, while Istanbul and Doha have shown interest. The host city of the 2020 Games will be decided in 2013.

Source: http://www.japantoday.com/category/sports/view/joc-chief-wary-of-s-africa-in-bid-race-for-2020-olympics

hopefully we will have a japanese bid for 2020

I have a question.

Hypothetically speaking, could any of the following American cities be put together a good Olympic plan? As in, what would it look like?

-Philadelphia
-Detroit
-Houston
-San Francisco
-Seattle
-Miami
-Dallas
-Boston
-Minneapolis
-Washington D.C.

Not necessarily in 2020

Have you forgotten NYC.

From my european point of view I would go to see an Olympic game in USA only if the host city would be New York or San Francisco.

No european would come from Europe to Minneapolis or Detroit.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nSDYiLHBA4I/SH6vQmFd6DI/AAAAAAAAAmg/hdpjAoJmBMY/s320/MANILA-T.JPG

how about this

^^ Why don't you put the venues that you have? And about public tranport how is Manila's condition?

But in Asia continent there are many cities that I prefer than Manila, starting from Tokyo to Dubai, Doha, Singapore or Kuala Lumpur.

dubai has great facility and the city is trully amazing

dubai has great facility and the city is trully amazing

but its too hot..the reason why doha rejected for bid 2016 is becoz the same reason..

Have you forgotten NYC.

From my european point of view I would go to see an Olympic game in USA only if the host city would be New York or San Francisco.

Or so we thought in 2005.

but its too hot..the reason why doha rejected for bid 2016 is becoz the same reason..

+1
I think the Games Village is ready on the Dubai CBD highway....., those dozens of skyscrapers with "To Let Conatct Telephone Number: 971NNNNNNN" 40 or 50 floor Banners. :lol::lol:

Rome