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2004 - Athens
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2012 - London
2016 - Rio Der Jannaro
2020 - Bangkok

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I gonna see Thailand bid summer olympic 2020

^^ go thailand! We know your ladies are good at the ping pong

^^ go thailand! We know your ladies are good at the ping pong

:lol:

i love your sarcasm :D

Im sure their ping pong skills would be the highlight of the games :P

Yeah！We will use all your mothers to show in our Ping Pong..

Thank you everyone = =!!

Why not go to thai forum??

There are interesting bids regarding these olympics. Either Durban or Istanbul I say

Cape Town Out Of 2020 Summer Olympic Games Bid

Primedia Broadcasting reports the City of Cape Town has pulled out of the race for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games.
Cape Town and Durban were the two cities in the lead as possible South African candidates for the 2020 Games.

City of Cape Town spokesperson Pieter Cronje said although Cape Town was now regarded as a leading international sports destination, it simply costs too much to host the event.

He said, "preparations for the event will require a huge investment in public transport and other infrastructure and we do not think that now is the appropriate time".

whats the yearly budget of Durban city? and Romes? also cape towns? anyone knows?

I hope Tokyo gets it but Rome and Istanbul have great chances as well.

Durban is $4.5billion - yes small by global standards.

Doha shouldn't be allowed to bid by the IOC. They already got the world cup.

In the Middle East, the best candidate so far should be Dubai. That city deserves it!

I would have also advocated either Morocco - Rabat or Egypt - Cairo to host the olympics in 2020 but sadly Egypt have far more things to care about right now. They need to shape up their country's corruption before anything else. Morocco, probably the same?

So it leaves Dubai out in the open. They should get it.

If it doesn't go to a Middle Eastern destination (that includes Istanbul), then I hope it goes to South Africa, maybe Durban. They already hosted the football world cup, cricket world cup, rugby world cup, etc. I think they also hosted the commonwealth games. So they can sure host the olympics too.

Scratch that, they didnt host the commonwealth games. But they should host the olympics in my opinion.

Durban is $4.5billion - yes small by global standards.

hmm i was expecting a bit more

what about other candidates yearly budgets? anyone has an information about it?

i find istanbuls 2011 . about 25 billion TL ( nearly 20 b. USD)

SA probably has the infrastructure in Durban. Who knows where budget allocations for Istanbul are going to go? Maybe they need to extensively rebuild some transports networks, etc. Durban's 4.5 billion dollar budget might sound the most reasonable since they already built good groundworks for the football world cup in 2010. In terms of transparency, it could also mean less chance of corruption in 'where the money ends up'. Not that I'm accusing other candidate cities of that. But 4.5 might be more than enough for Durban.

Istanbul has to invest a lot into infrastructure

Many plans but less money :D
(3 tunnels under the bosphorus etc)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4777282770_cc5cb2ba41_o.jpg

And i stil think that we should destroy Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi and built a new Olympic park iat Maltepe industrial park. The factory can be located at the current Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi location.

whats the yearly budget of Durban city? and Romes? also cape towns? anyone knows?

Rome is about 5 billion €

But in Italy most investments are not made by the city Budget but with the region (Lazio) and state funding

Italy has a GDP of 1200 billion€ (more or less) so accomodating 7-8 billion € for Olympics spent in 7-8 years shall not be a too hard thing to accomplish.

Nevertheless, we do not have the money for lavish display (ie: spend more than the forecasted 8 billion €) since our national debt, at 120 Debt/GDP ratio, is already too high

Istanbul has to invest a lot into infrastructure

Many plans but less money :D
(3 tunnels under the bosphorus etc)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4777282770_cc5cb2ba41_o.jpg

And i stil think that we should destroy Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi and built a new Olympic park iat Maltepe industrial park. The factory can be located at the current Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi location.

maltepe???? :S

common sercan... im not so happy about the location of the olympic stadium also but if they can rebuild all the area including the çekmece lake area which is empty grassland now it could be a very functional sport center . altough the stadium can be upgrade too and i like its architecture :D . and its closer to the new planned marina and the 3rd airport.

but like to have a olympic park and a stadium next to bosphorus anyway:D

I mean this area

Blue: current Olympic Stadium and proposed Park
Red: New one
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3873/26230573.jpg

Red: Venues
Yellow: Olympic Village
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8152/48332678.jpg

I mean this area

Blue: current Olympic Stadium and proposed Park
Red: New one


aahhh ok Maltepe ın europe:) i get it as maltepe in asia

ok.. but it will cost a lot to demolish all buildings and make a new park there. we already have a one better to replan and make it costs less i guess.
also there is a plan for Kucukcekmece lake lagoon with Ken Yeang and they can combine the olympic park plan with this project. ( my tought)

http://www.mimarizm.com/V_Images/2007/Kentin_Tozu/kentseldonusum/kucukcekmece01.jpg

http://www.ibb.gov.tr/tr-TR/SiteImages/Haber/cekmece_donusum4.jpg

But why should we connect it :)

Its just a project for the Kücükcekmece area and the distance Olympiy Park - Kücükcekmce project is 10km.

At "my project" the city would get
-a new park inside the city (close to the historical island)
-sports complex inside the city
-new safe houses at that area
- factories would be outside the city
- a new Olympic stadium with a post-olympic cap. of ~20,000. So many small clubs can use it (small and not so far away) -> stadium would not make depft like Atatürk olimpiyat

But why should we connect it :)

Its just a project for the Kücükcekmece area and the distance Olympiy Park - Kücükcekmce project is 10km.

At "my project" the city would get
-a new park inside the city (close to the historical island)
-sports complex inside the city
-new safe houses at that area
- factories would be outside the city
- a new Olympic stadium with a post-olympic cap. of ~20,000. So many small clubs can use it (small and not so far away) -> stadium would not make depft like Atatürk olimpiyat

i like olympic stadium :(

its wide open and not like other stadiums in istanbul so dont demolish it :).. just give me 5 b USD and will make the area like Rivendell of sports :P with a waterfall and a botanic park next to the park in that rocky cliff with full of gecekondu :D

and as an istanbuller neither i want to see a stadium nor a factory inside the city.especially the old one. the traffic kills me every time in Kadıkoy when i try to go to home to caddebostan from europe. and at the center of the city it will be chaotic.

but as i said i really like to have an olympic park at Halic or bosphorus. there is a huge area next to Golden horn that can be used for an olympic park.

whatever we say we have a stadium and they wont change the parks location:D

But you don't need a park or waterfall etc at Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi,
Its already out of the city.

You need green parks inside the city. Peopme around the Olympic park can use it. Just look at Munih Olympic park. Its not just Olympic park. Its a city park

Who will use the Park at Atatürk Olimpiyat stadi?
Nobody.

While a park inside the city will be used everyday.

Which traffic? As i said only small clubs can use the post Olympic Stadium (25,000).
And mostly only 1,000-15,000 will be there.
The other venues (veledrome etc) are small (max. 10,000).
And don't forget the connection is very good there. You have already a metro line.

Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi is a white elephant and it cost mil of tax money every year.

But you don't need a park or waterfall etc at Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi,
Its already out of the city.

You need green parks inside the city. Peopme around the Olympic park can use it. Just look at Munih Olympic park. Its not just Olympic park. Its a city park

Who will use the Park at Atatürk Olimpiyat stadi?
Nobody.

While a park inside the city will be used everyday.

Which traffic? As i said only small clubs can use the post Olympic Stadium (25,000).
And mostly only 1,000-15,000 will be there.
The other venues (veledrome etc) are small (max. 10,000).
And don't forget the connection is very good there. You have already a metro line.

Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi is a white elephant and it cost mil of tax money every year.

ok then lets think a bit bigger with a scale... what about this one?
out of the great walls of Istanbul, from Golden Horn to Marmara sea transfrom into a huge sporting park with green area and new old style residential areas including Hipodrom and marina. ? :)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8127/adszkwh.jpg

by the way i really wonder new plan of candidature. if i have time will go to Turkish Olympic Comittee and talk about it and have the plans ..:D

this one is huge, but the area is not so bad.
Many new residential buildings are u/c there.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4903/hyphavavaziyet2.jpg
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/294/hype14.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3227/skrmklipp.png

hmm i was expecting a bit more

what about other candidates yearly budgets? anyone has an information about it?

i find istanbuls 2011 . about 25 billion TL ( nearly 20 b. USD)

But Istanbul is a much larger city in terms of population

Rome is about 5 billion €

But in Italy most investments are not made by the city Budget but with the region (Lazio) and state funding

Italy has a GDP of 1200 billion€ (more or less) so accomodating 7-8 billion € for Olympics spent in 7-8 years shall not be a too hard thing to accomplish.

Nevertheless, we do not have the money for lavish display (ie: spend more than the forecasted 8 billion €) since our national debt, at 120 Debt/GDP ratio, is already too high

Italy and Rome would be do better to save their magnificent ancient roman heritage.......... The Amphitheatrum Flavium and the ancient city of Pompeii are in a bad condition.

NOT Turkey would be my guess....

I'd say Durban.

Italy and Rome would be do better to save their magnificent ancient roman heritage.......... The Amphitheatrum Flavium and the ancient city of Pompeii are in a bad condition.

I mean, I think we dont need inputs from the outside. If Rome presents a good bid, it will challenge like the others.....plus with magnifency of our history and monumental heritage, not only the ancient roman one of course.

Durban's budget is somewhat irrelevant. Olympic Games cost billions and will be funded largely by government.

this one is huge, but the area is not so bad.
Many new residential buildings are u/c there.
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4903/hyphavavaziyet2.jpg
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/294/hype14.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3227/skrmklipp.png

it will cost tens of billions dollars to the goverment to buy back all these areas..

Italy and Rome would be do better to save their magnificent ancient roman heritage.......... The Amphitheatrum Flavium and the ancient city of Pompeii are in a bad condition.

Colosseum will be restored soon thanks to sponsorship

Pompei has enough funds - if well managed - to stand on its own feet

Italy has the world largest historical heritage. Not everything can be all the time in perfect condition, however we do manage to keep most stuff decent/good conditions

sorry for the OT

Tokyo is the best option , and Japan deserve olympics :P

Istanbul's plan looks ambitious and serious. I wish them good luck.

My dream is to see it in Dubai but seriously I think all athletes would die in the August summer heat, especially the marathons and all.

Istanbul sounds more reasonable for a location. But also Durban and I'd like to see South Africa attempting to host their own first African Olympic games. They've got football, cricket and rugby world cup experience. Add Olympics too and they're a complete sporting nation. :D

Colosseum will be restored soon thanks to sponsorship

Pompei has enough funds - if well managed - to stand on its own feet

Italy has the world largest historical heritage. Not everything can be all the time in perfect condition, however we do manage to keep most stuff decent/good conditions

sorry for the OT

It would be great, if the Colosseum will be restored in the shape of 87 A.D.:banana: to serve as a venue for the games in Rome!

Istanbul's plan looks ambitious and serious. I wish them good luck.

My dream is to see it in Dubai but seriously I think all athletes would die in the August summer heat, especially the marathons and all.

Istanbul sounds more reasonable for a location. But also Durban and I'd like to see South Africa attempting to host their own first African Olympic games. They've got football, cricket and rugby world cup experience. Add Olympics too and they're a complete sporting nation. :D

cricket and rugby are not olympic sports ;) so not a reference like FİFA or Uefa or FINA or athletics champ.

Durban is the best venue for the summer olympics....the first games in africa after the first world cup in africa.....Europe and asia have hosted the games before...so africa will definately get the next bid after south america.

With all these muslim protests I don't think hosting in Turkey is a good idea.

cricket and rugby are not olympic sports ;) so not a reference like FİFA or Uefa or FINA or athletics champ.

Rugby is a an Olympic sport or it will be starting in 2016 I think is the first year that Rugby will be back in the olympics.

With all these muslim protests I don't think hosting in Turkey is a good idea.

why? with all thesse tibetian protests and hard pressure on Uigurs in china they host 2008?

cricket and rugby are not olympic sports ;) so not a reference like FİFA or Uefa or FINA or athletics champ.
Rugby world cup is the third largest sporting event behind Olympic games and Fifa world cup. :)

Cricket world cup is also very big in the world level.

Hosting these 2 gigantic sporting events, in addition to the Fifa world cup, gives South Africa a very nice résumé.

Rugby sevens is now also an olympic sport. :banana:

it will cost tens of billions dollars to the goverment to buy back all these areas..

I just mean the factories. THey will be located at Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi.
So ots more an exchange.

@Kuwaiti
Which plan :D


BTW IMO 2020 will go to Durban. Maybe 2024 could be Istanbul. But maybe :D

Rugby world cup is the third largest sporting event behind Olympic games and Fifa world cup. :)

Cricket world cup is also very big in the world level.

Hosting these 2 gigantic sporting events, in addition to the Fifa world cup, gives South Africa a very nice résumé.

Rugby sevens is now also an olympic sport. :banana:

i know UEFA champ is the third biggest org., then athletics world champ, world basketball champ... etc :)

dude may be in your country they love rugby and cricket but rest of the world not that much :) may be rugby could be populer with the help of Dieux du Stade calenders but.... if it was that much populer they already added to olympics before.. ;)

i dont underestimate hosting 2 world champs. but olympics is st different. even hosting 2 non olympic world champs doesnt atrract IOC members as i guess. but FIFA is a big +

if it was that much populer they already added to olympics before.. ;)

Hey, rugby union was an Olympic sport in the early beginnings of the olympic movement !


http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6155/capturedcran20110205132.jpg


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i know UEFA champ is the third biggest org., then athletics world champ, world basketball champ... etc :)


:nono:

The 2007 Rugby World Cup is now the world's third-largest sporting event, behind only the FIFA World Cup and the Summer Olympic Games. Two million tickets have been sold for the tournament with an expected television audience of four billion in over 200 countries.

By comparison, the NFL estimated its worldwide TV audience for Super Bowl XLI at approximately one billion.

University of California, Berkeley.

Rugby World Cup Will Be Largest Global Sports Event This Year
The Rugby World Cup, which begins September 7, will be the “most popular global sporting event of the year,” as it drew a worldwide TV audience of over 3 billion people when it was last held four years ago, according to a cover story by Kemp & Szalai of the HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. The event ranks third among the most-watched sporting events worldwide, behind the FIFA World Cup and Summer Olympics. The Int’l Rugby Board (IRB) holds world TV and marketing rights, reportedly worth over $200M. Setanta Sports holds the exclusive rights to live games in the U.S. and Canada, and the net is offering PPV games and broadband subscriptions via Setanta.com. In Demand is offering 23 live matches for $24.95 per game (the final will cost $29.95), or a package for all its coverage for $199.95. Versus will also air some of the tournament.

SPONSOR DEALS: The IRB has signed EDF Energy and Peugeot as its main sponsors for the event, and also has deals with financial service provider Societe Generale, Visa, Heineken, Toshiba, Emirates Airline, telecom firm Orange and consulting firm CapGemini. Meanwhile, the U.S. national team recently signed a deal with Sony to promote its Bravia line of TVs, and England national team member Jonny Wilkinson has been featured alongside Galaxy MF David Beckham in TV ads for adidas.
The Hollywood Reporter, 8/24/2007

Yes, for some to write off the Rugby and Cricket World Cups simply because they dont watch or play those sports is like me writing off the SuperBowl or baseball WC's simply because i have never watched either sport in my life and that they do not feature hugely on any of the sports channels in my country due to lack of interest in them

Yes, for some to write off the Rugby and Cricket World Cups simply because they dont watch or play those sports is like me writing off the SuperBowl or baseball WC's simply because i have never watched either sport in my life and that they do not feature hugely on any of the sports channels in my country due to lack of interest in them

definetly

even in my country people watch swimming athletics tennis or even winter sports or F1 live from tvs and talk about it, we dont have any attention for rugby or cricket.... especially cricket is an english game and mostly commonwealth countries play it.

considering 1.2 billion indians and 200m pakis its sure has a huge audience for cricket.

but not so populer in the world like swimming or tennis ( in whole world) i mean.

altough wrestling, boxing,weight lifting or other olympic martial art sports is very populer here and we host many many times of euro and world champ. i cant compare it with Fifa world cup or world athletics champ. they only cant be a reference for olympic games hosting.

^^i think u misinterpreted what i said. Swimming and tennis get big audiences, but only for the grand slams or in swimmings case only really in the olympics/commonwealth games or world champs.

Cricket and rugby get far bigger continuous audiences. That being said this is all generally topic. The key is, hosting a massive event like the rugby or cricket world cup will have far more sway on a countries potential than hosting some lame wrestling or other obsure olympic sport. Heck i'd even say the logistics of hosting the rugby and cricket world cups far surpasses hosting the Swimming or Athletics world champs and hence is more valuable from a hosting perspective than those two events are.

You cannot have it both ways.

You acknowledge India has a large population, but then say cricket is not popular in the world.

The sub-continent has a population of around 1.5 billion, which is more than 20% of the world population. It may not be of much interest elsewhere, but by having such a core of obsessed fans makes cricket huge.

Athletics and swimming may get more interest from the number of countries, but when you line up those who will watch every day of a world champs against each other, cricket would leave them in it's dust only because of the numbers from the sub continent.

I see Rome as the big favorite.

I'm sad for Cape Town :(

ok ok... again i start another arguement....

first about popularty of a sport i mean; too few family teach their children cricket but football basketball or volleyball.. i mean popularity with this... not considering how much population a country has and that makes a sport populer. its ridiciolus to saying a sport brach populer cause its a favorite sport ina huge populated country ..at least we can rate it how many clubs and federations and licensed players around the world, TV shares is st more marketing...

about the audience and people rugby and cricket can reach on a tournament, sure its... cause in many countries these sport branchs hass teams like BArcelona , Manchester United..etc. so people addicted to these sports like fans ( rugby i mean )

if i misunderstand u sorry for that. having world cups champ. is very important to a city to apply and host the olympics. but what i try to say is; olympics spine is "Athletics". and then 4 other sports ( most watched most loved most played whatever u can named as ) swimming, gymnastics , volleyball+basketball comes after that in the games.

so having a world athletics champ in a city/country is the biggest + (may be) before applying as a candidate to the games for me in this circumstances ...

You are massively under estimating participation rates at club level in India, it's not just a tv sport over there.

The infrastructure needed for a swimming world cup isn't that big either. Crowds are small, and it's basically done in one, maybe two venues. Even an athletics world champs, while in front of huge crowds, is at one venue.

Rugby and cricket WCs need multiple stadium that can hold between 30k to 100k. Much more infrastructure an support services to host than required for the swimming.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think rugby should be at the olympics, and I think cricket is killing itself to turn inti something that would be popular outside it's traditional base. That being said, it's wrong to dismiss the current size and magnitude of these events

I see Rome as the big favorite.

I'm sad for Cape Town :(

They chose not to be involved

ok ok... again i start another arguement....

first about popularty of a sport i mean; too few family teach their children cricket but football basketball or volleyball.. i mean popularity with this... not considering how much population a country has and that makes a sport populer. its ridiciolus to saying a sport brach populer cause its a favorite sport ina huge populated country ..at least we can rate it how many clubs and federations and licensed players around the world, TV shares is st more marketing...

about the audience and people rugby and cricket can reach on a tournament, sure its... cause in many countries these sport branchs hass teams like BArcelona , Manchester United..etc. so people addicted to these sports like fans ( rugby i mean )

if i misunderstand u sorry for that. having world cups champ. is very important to a city to apply and host the olympics. but what i try to say is; olympics spine is "Athletics". and then 4 other sports ( most watched most loved most played whatever u can named as ) swimming, gymnastics , volleyball+basketball comes after that in the games.

so having a world athletics champ in a city/country is the biggest + (may be) before applying as a candidate to the games for me in this circumstances ...

I still disagree. Yes Athletics and Swimming are two key events for the Olympics (and probably the only two events that get decent viewership besides the gymnastics), but the World Champs of these two events are minor logistical events in comparisson to cricket and rugby world cup events. I am only looking at things from a logistical and organisational experiene point of view. Therefore IMO those two events will count much more from an experience perspective than a "simple" world athletics or swimming champs. Hosting both of those is great and of course will count nicely towards an Olympics, but in reality are simpler to organise.

In my opinion, I think the IOC would look at previous hostings and look for the following, in this order:

1. A successful second-tier multi-sport event e.g. Commonwealth Games, PanAms, Asian Games. This ranks higher than a World Cup simply because its the closest one can get to hosting an Olympics without actually hosting one. Rio's change in fortunes between 2012 (failed to shortlist) and 2016 (winning bid) was, I suspect, in large part due to the PanAm Games in 2007.

2. A successul World Cup or Rugby World Cup (or even cricket world cup to a lesser extent). Shows a country can pull off a massive logistical challenge. Shows the infrastructure is at a pretty developed stage, and the structures are in place to co-ordinate things.

3. Success in hosting individual world championships in particular Olympic sports. Wouldn't do any harm, particularly for the bigger Olympic sports like athletics, swimming and gymnastics, but not as important as the previous two types of events. London actually pulled out of hosting the 2005 World Athletics Championships but still won their Olympic bid.

^^ Following your criteria:

1. :yes:: Paris successfully hosted, among others, the IAAF World Championships in Athletics (2003). :bowtie:
2. :yes:: France successfully hosted the FIFA World Cup (1998) and the IRB Rugby World Cup (2007). :bowtie:
3. :yes:: Paris hosts annually, among other sports/competitions, one of the four Tennis Grand Slams + a Masters 1000 tournament. :bowtie:

Paris, Paris , Paris, Paris :cheer:




But, apparently the IOC thinks differently :(..... Because the homeland of Pierre de Coubertin, a country who never stopped to defend the values of the Olympic Movement, didn't host the summer games since almost a century now !!! (and, it's just a shame..imho :mad:)

I never said previous event hostings are the only factor or even the most important. All I meant was, when they are considered that's the order of importance I think they'd be ranked by the IOC.

I never said previous event hostings are the only factor or even the most important. All I meant was, when they are considered that's the order of importance I think they'd be ranked by the IOC.

apologise for my ignorance. i dont know rugby or cricket is that populer and hosting is complicated as a world cup.. ( but still i believe world basketball or volleyball champ is more appealing :D )

but i agree with u st. to handle a championship is easy but a complicated one like panam commonwealth or even universiade is st HUGE ...
all these are a + for application. but having a panam or st multisport event in the reference is a key to get the games.

also the countries economical situation and if they can able to carry the games cost and the love of sports of its citizens is the major things.

everything starts and ends with one word this age ; MONEY :)

Volleyball all you is a beach and bikini's

Is it a sure thing that only these 4 cities bid? No Madrid, Paris or even Lisbon, Budapest, St. Petersburg or other cities from outside Europe?
Deadline is almost 7 months away.

Is it a sure thing that only these 4 cities bid? No Madrid, Paris or even Lisbon, Budapest, St. Petersburg or other cities from outside Europe?
Deadline is almost 7 months away.

Lisbon? Madrid? Belonging to countries who have very bad credit ratings--and they're (again) going to bid? I don't think so.

St. Petersburg? No way. They have Sochi 2014 on their plate.

Paris is probably waiting for 2024 since Annecy is taking up their attention for the next few months.

They chose not to be involved

I hope to see Durban as candidate-city. South Africa has a real chance, I believe.


^^ Following your criteria:

1. :yes:: Paris successfully hosted, among others, the IAAF World Championships in Athletics (2003). :bowtie:
2. :yes:: France successfully hosted the FIFA World Cup (1998) and the IRB Rugby World Cup (2007). :bowtie:
3. :yes:: Paris hosts annually, among other sports/competitions, one of the four Tennis Grand Slams + a Masters 1000 tournament. :bowtie:

Paris, Paris , Paris, Paris :cheer:




But, apparently the IOC thinks differently :(..... Because the homeland of Pierre de Coubertin, a country who never stopped to defend the values of the Olympic Movement, didn't host the summer games since almost a century now !!! (and, it's just a shame..imho :mad:)

Paris is... Paris :drool:

Everybody loves Paris.

A lot of interesting opinons here.

I wonder how people would feel if Dubai throws its hat in to the ring for 2020 as well?

Would it be well received????? :)

Dubai has a high powered team behind it already, including former IOC communications person/spokesperson.

Dubai has a high powered team behind it already, including form IOC communications person/spokesperson.

I did not know they had the support of the IOC spokesperson. Have you read anything / seen anything online?

I did not know they had the support of the IOC spokesperson. Have you read anything / seen anything online?


Former IOC comms chief to head new Dubai company


http://insidethegames.biz/images/stories/old/Giselle_2520Davies_2520in_2520Beijing.1.jpgJuly 6 - Giselle Davies (pictured), the former communications director of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), is to head a new company overseeing a study to decide whether Dubai should bid for the 2020 Olympics.

Davies is to be chief executive of Falcon and Associates, who are leading a United Arab Emirates Government feasability study into a possible bid by Dubai to host the 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games,

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the Vice-President and Prime Minister of the UAE and ruler of Dubai, issued a new law last week establishing the company.

Maktoum announced the city’s plans to consider hosting the Games and the World Expo, and Falcon and Associates’ managing role last month.

It will also focus on helping Dubai achieve social, economic and trade-related goals.

Ahmad Abdullah Al Shaikh, the media escort of Maktoum and managing director of his media offiice, has been appointed chairman of Falcon and Associates.

Davies resigned from the IOC last September and has since spent much of her time in Dubai.

The Cambridge University graduate joined the IOC in 2002 from Formula One team Jordan.

She took over at a difficult time when the scars of the Salt Lake City bidding bribery scandal were still raw and the IOC was struggling to overcome its poor reputation.

^^Oh yes, I have read about that.

I thought you meant there was some new support / info :)

dubai 2020 ... qatar 2018...

hope IOC wont make another auction for the games like FIFA

Gays are welcome in Dubai?

dubai 2020 ... qatar 2018...

hope IOC wont make another auction for the games like FIFA

I hope not!!!

Durban! Durban! Durban!!!!!

lol.... no rumors no news from any cities... it s a bit soooo quite.... Rome is official and just that...
no other city announced their candidature yet.

hmmmmmm strange...

Durban! Durban! Durban!!!!!

It will be Turban, Turban, Turban 2020!! :lol:

perhaps the less-than-universally-well-recieved allocation of Qatar for 2018, and the winds of change sweeping through the Muslim world will mean a break for a wee bit from the risks involved in that region, and a chance for Africa! You really have to see Durban to believe it. there ARE cities out there that rock, but that through no fault of their own, are not often thought about:
San Diego
Atlanta
Perth
Calgary
Welington
etc

the important thing is that the criteria are met. Inside the British - English/ commonwealth speaking world, Durban is known as a beach paradise, and a sports mecca!

perhaps the less-than-universally-well-recieved allocation of Qatar for 2018, and the winds of change sweeping through the Muslim world will mean a break for a wee bit from the risks involved in that region,

winds of chance?
:)

what will change?

Egypt will be a Scandinavian country or saudi king will give up his all rights and chnge to parlementer democracy ... sorry but show me a arap country that has a working real democracy. not kingdom or father to son passing ruling system. just lebanon. but its also becoming like others.

the important thing is that the criteria are met. Inside the British - English/ commonwealth speaking world, Durban is known as a beach paradise, and a sports mecca!


:hilarious Say's who??? LOL

That has to be one of the funniest thing's I've ever read.... EVER!!! :lol:

Gee Gosh lemme see here ...
-Durban has some of the finest Golf Courses in SA, and a few in the top 500 worldwide.
-They host major, major Surfing competitions, and have for decades.
-Through the widely followed Super 14 Rugby format with teams from SA, Oz, and NZ, Durbans Kingsmead stadium ( the SharkTank - Home to the Natal Sharks ) is widely renound as one of the best , most intimidating arenas for Rugby, with arguably the most passionat supporters ( and the HOTTEST cheerleaders ).
-Kingsmead Cricket Stadium is always packed to the rafters - especially over summer holiday times ( when millions from inland provinces flood into Durdan to enjoy the coast) when playing india or Pakistan. ( Durban has more folk from the indian sub-continent outside of india than anywhere else on Earth ) We also stood in in 2009 to host the Indian Premier League cricket competion, with barely a few months notice ( due to security concerns ) - and rocked it hardcore - especially barmy, riotously atmospheric Durban !
Durban is also becomming a major film and advertising location, prized for its "neutral" feel, so chances are youve seen it before mate lol
-Durban has a massive anual horse race( similar is size and stature to the Melbourne Cup ) that attract loads of glitterati and fashionistas ( the beatiful people )
-Durban is the home of swimming for SA, and has an awesome pool - which has hosted Fina Short Course competitions.
-Durban hosts the Lipton Cup, and other sailing competitions, and had an afinity to the sea which other sites lack - consider if you will how many sailing events, and water based events there are at the modern olymppics.

In short, Durban rocks, and folk from Oz, NZ, India, UK, Ireland, Canada, and loads more know that Durbs kicks ass :D

In short, Durban rocks, and folk from Oz, NZ, India, UK, Ireland, Canada, and loads more know that Durbs kicks ass :D

^^ Half the sports you mentioned are not even Olympic sports. But that's besides the point.

REALLY not sure where you get your info, dude.

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^^ Half the sports you mentioned are not even Olympic sports. But that's besides the point.

REALLY not sure where you get your info, dude.

no no, I was mearly trying illustrate that Durban has a vibe about it that is Sports hungry :D
and my references to sports and events that take place there are accurate mate

comparing Durban with rome and istanbul is like oranges and apples.. not a match to these cities sorry to saying that.

but Sa can get the games.

I agree, nothing can compare to the history, and majesty of those destinations, but i guess in my humble opinion, cities that look to the future, and with aspirations, and have room to grow and make a compact games area and capture new vibes.. well i hope Durban get it for those reasons 0:)

I agree, nothing can compare to the history, and majesty of those destinations, but i guess in my humble opinion, cities that look to the future, and with aspirations, and have room to grow and make a compact games area and capture new vibes.. well i hope Durban get it for those reasons 0:)

i see SA will be an olympic country but not sure its gonna be Durban but cape town ;)

Durban could be a good destination excellent climate magnificent beaches and sea sport facilities but in basics can she carry the adjective of Olympic city at 2020... i dont think so.

transportation is fine people say but for now . what about 2020?. and accomodation ? 4 million tourists and citizens will travel like bees from city center to the park every hour? need at least 60 000 beds and it is about 1000 hotels at least need to built. international airport(S) whats the capacity? its not like hosting a FİFA cup match. the city gonna be an ant nest for 30 days, and nothing should go wrong or collapse. altough she hasnt any experience about olympics before.so few cities get the games at their first attend and they were world wide known cities. be realistic people.

im very optimistic about SA games, but Durban in my opinion can do her best at 2020 race and open the road for first african olympics in future, may be 2024.

under these circumstances Tokyo and Istanbul are my favorites and Rome following. but Durban can kick one of these in the first round with african votes if she quallified.

Emrearas your perpetual focus on Cape Town is becoming somewhat tedious. Cape Town is hands down the most beautiful city in South Africa in fact arguably one of the most beautiful in the world. This said, if you've actually been there - which I hope you haven't as your comments would be peppered with unjustified ignorance - it has something called TABLE MOUNTAIN which whilst beautiful is a chronic inconvenience in many respects. An example of this would be a recent study showing that CT is not far behind Joburg in a survey measuring lost productivity due to traffic delays... and it is substantially smaller which makes the statistic more poignant. Getting around the big rock is not an easy task though I imagine based on pictures I've seen of Istanbul and its geographic position relative to the bay/cove area you would understand what I mean. That poses a substantial problem vis-a-vis your nagging focus on transport.

(And FYI why Istanbul and not Ankara? I mean that is your capital right?)

Following on this point, Cape Town is to my knowledge and Mo might correct me, not capable of hosting the games in such a concentrated space which should further dull your transport fixation. The aim of any major sporting event, to my knowledge, is to try and accommodate as many disciplines in as small a space as possible. The Kings Park precinct is beyond perfect for this. Do some research and you'll see.

Continuing with your apparent transport issue addiction, talking about airports in terms of what traffic they can manage is to me a really irrelevant point as we have over 9 years to go so if there is the need for an increase then as South African's do best, we'll make a plan. To my knowledge they are planning to double there current tourist volume as due to the new airport Durban now has direct flights to major international hubs meaning they can bypass Joburg which used to be mandatory.

Your accommodation conundrum has been raised already and again, to my knowledge, the plan would be to use cruise liners as temporary "hotels". Moreover, if you have a look at the greater Durban area - ie: from Balitto to Amanzimtoti - I would be surprised if there were a major gridlock. Chances are a lot of Durbanites would rent out their houses and bugger off to Joburg or CT for that matter so thats another option.

Your assertion that Durban has a better chance in 2024 is in my opinion absurd. Why would there be more of an incentive then? Can you predict the future? If anything the IOC appears to be adopting a FIFA-esque policy of continental rotation and considering London is having the 2016 games it is to me unlikely that another European city be chosen directly afterward - even though Italy is continental so that is debatable.

After the debacle that lead to England winning the games - ie: some Paris vs Madrid conspiracy - I can't see either of those cities planning to run for 2020 which to my mind means they will focus on 2024 ergo ensuring they do not vote for Rome as a triple hosting in Europe would be a PR nightmare for the IOC. I can see France and Spain teaming up against Rome though what leverage they have is beyond me. Spain will probably be particularly enthusiastic about an SA bid as they won the world cup here. You really should brush up on your realpolitik.

Speaking of which, Tokyo to me is a complete no go. Their government appears to be in a perpetual state of quasi anarchistic limbo due primarily to grave economic decisions the country has made over the last few decades. You want to talk about the economics of funding the games? Be that the case then Tokyo is last on the list. Im not saying SA doesnt have its political crap (Malema) but currently the economic foundation is quite stable and as much as government is its usual inefficient self, its somewhat par for the course so to speak. It will be interesting to see what impact all of Berlasconi's indiscretions will have on Italy's bid. Equally interesting will be the question of whether or not the substantially richer Northern cities such as Milan will throw their support to the southern areas that they are forced to support financially. LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

And as a final note, to me not knowing the existence of either cricket or rugby is bizarre seeing as both are amongst the most popular sports in the world. If Istanbul wishes to exhibit a worldly, cosmopolitan quality then surely it is flagrant naivety to be unaware of sports that billions of people consider important. This said I am merely basing this statement on you so I cannot speak for your people.

Emrearas your perpetual focus on Cape Town is becoming somewhat tedious. Cape Town is hands down the most beautiful city in South Africa in fact arguably one of the most beautiful in the world. This said, if you've actually been there - which I hope you haven't as your comments would be peppered with unjustified ignorance - it has something called TABLE MOUNTAIN which whilst beautiful is a chronic inconvenience in many respects. An example of this would be a recent study showing that CT is not far behind Joburg in a survey measuring lost productivity due to traffic delays... and it is substantially smaller which makes the statistic more poignant. Getting around the big rock is not an easy task though I imagine based on pictures I've seen of Istanbul and its geographic position relative to the bay/cove area you would understand what I mean. That poses a substantial problem vis-a-vis your nagging focus on transport.

(And FYI why Istanbul and not Ankara? I mean that is your capital right?)

Following on this point, Cape Town is to my knowledge and Mo might correct me, not capable of hosting the games in such a concentrated space which should further dull your transport fixation. The aim of any major sporting event, to my knowledge, is to try and accommodate as many disciplines in as small a space as possible. The Kings Park precinct is beyond perfect for this. Do some research and you'll see.

Continuing with your apparent transport issue addiction, talking about airports in terms of what traffic they can manage is to me a really irrelevant point as we have over 9 years to go so if there is the need for an increase then as South African's do best, we'll make a plan. To my knowledge they are planning to double there current tourist volume as due to the new airport Durban now has direct flights to major international hubs meaning they can bypass Joburg which used to be mandatory.

Your accommodation conundrum has been raised already and again, to my knowledge, the plan would be to use cruise liners as temporary "hotels". Moreover, if you have a look at the greater Durban area - ie: from Balitto to Amanzimtoti - I would be surprised if there were a major gridlock. Chances are a lot of Durbanites would rent out their houses and bugger off to Joburg or CT for that matter so thats another option.

Your assertion that Durban has a better chance in 2024 is in my opinion absurd. Why would there be more of an incentive then? Can you predict the future? If anything the IOC appears to be adopting a FIFA-esque policy of continental rotation and considering London is having the 2016 games it is to me unlikely that another European city be chosen directly afterward - even though Italy is continental so that is debatable.

After the debacle that lead to England winning the games - ie: some Paris vs Madrid conspiracy - I can't see either of those cities planning to run for 2020 which to my mind means they will focus on 2024 ergo ensuring they do not vote for Rome as a triple hosting in Europe would be a PR nightmare for the IOC. I can see France and Spain teaming up against Rome though what leverage they have is beyond me. Spain will probably be particularly enthusiastic about an SA bid as they won the world cup here. You really should brush up on your realpolitik.

Speaking of which, Tokyo to me is a complete no go. Their government appears to be in a perpetual state of quasi anarchistic limbo due primarily to grave economic decisions the country has made over the last few decades. You want to talk about the economics of funding the games? Be that the case then Tokyo is last on the list. Im not saying SA doesnt have its political crap (Malema) but currently the economic foundation is quite stable and as much as government is its usual inefficient self, its somewhat par for the course so to speak. It will be interesting to see what impact all of Berlasconi's indiscretions will have on Italy's bid. Equally interesting will be the question of whether or not the substantially richer Northern cities such as Milan will throw their support to the southern areas that they are forced to support financially. LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

And as a final note, to me not knowing the existence of either cricket or rugby is bizarre seeing as both are amongst the most popular sports in the world. If Istanbul wishes to exhibit a worldly, cosmopolitan quality then surely it is flagrant naivety to be unaware of sports that billions of people consider important. This said I am merely basing this statement on you so I cannot speak for your people.

ok slow mate slowly... i dont know the capability of Durban City so i asked the questions. and never been there and in near future not in my visiting list .

lets make it step by step then

about ankara istanbul; ankara is like milan and istanbul is rome. ankara is a boring bureaucratic city with full of grey brown giant buildings and not a touristic place nothing much to see. on the other hand Istanbul is a unique historical city and means a lot for not only turks but many people in her hinterland and neighbor countries. İzmir the 3rd biggest city of Turkey is another option for olympics which hosted universiade games 2005. but ankara .. ı ıh... the best thing in ankara is the way back to Istanbul we say here..

also dont know the geo of the cape town but they attend once and really had a high vote before. so if they did once why they cant it again? and i m sure its a very very beautiful city with an amazing landscape.

there is nothing clear about the candidates yet. just Rome is officially candidate and Tokyo Durban Istanbul rumored. and every government will try to do their best at these applications. Spain can act warm to SA bid , but also she is the other head of Alliance of civilizations like Turkey and in int. relations & politics there is no such melancholy or emotions. ( what i mean how some african countries support SA cause they have economical and social connections with , Spain can react like that like Latin america supporting Spain any time). so they can say SA but at the end they can vote for Rome or Istanbul.. could be...?

about transport and accomodation and 9 years to go... remember athens . even they had a better transportation system and more touristic then any SA city. they had a big crises in these issues. last week before the games start they finished many facilities, with the aid of EU fons.

.. im thinking the same with u in many points. Rome has no chance it seems. but if i were u i wont underestimate Tokyo this time. japanese never forget when they fail and try to make t better every time as u know. madness of perfection. but about finance .. yes developing countries are more stable then d8 ones. altough we can see that in the world arena. SA Brazil Russia Qatar fıfa cups, big int. congress , other sport events are mostly changing their locations to developing ones.
cricket and Rugby; we have rugby teams and a federation here too. but they are not so populer like basketball and volleyball or swimming in the world. how many int federations they have? 118 rugby -104 cricket on the other hand 220 volleyball 213 basketball... 100 countries at least in IOC doesnt have any federation in their lands ... thats what i mean about being populer. its a culture and taste of sports. so u cant ignore anyone that doesnt like or know Cricket... its st like do u know grease wrestling??? oldest continuously running
sport event since 1300s. and in middle east and balkans its very populer which means at least 500 million people . u know ?? dont u??? shame on you... :D see... thats the difference between sports culture and regions. u cant judge other countries if a sport is not so populer. altough Turkey is not good at winter sports but we just hosted winter universaide a week ago.or qatar with fifa champ.hosting.

we are just talking here and sharing opinions. and i never been to Durban as i said before so i wonder and asking questions like if u have questions about Istanbul and Turkey i answer. and i try to be more realistic. Its their first time in olympic arena and to be honest they are not Sydney that can get the games at the first time they try to. even beijing cant do that. how can Durban do?

im not here to start arguments or fight with others just saying what i think and if i was wrong i m ready to apologise and appericate the people who teach me and make learn more about st new in my life.

what ever...
just be logical and say me the what u really see and think. do u think durban can get 2020? with 2 giants on the race and a unpredictable dark horse?

dont answer me sure yes quickly.. measure the cities , look at their balances economical, historical and with all other segments... say me... what u really think about 2020 race.

:hilarious Say's who??? LOL

That has to be one of the funniest thing's I've ever read.... EVER!!! :lol:

Could arrive a bid from Dubai?

Emrearas your perpetual focus on Cape Town is becoming somewhat tedious. Cape Town is hands down the most beautiful city in South Africa in fact arguably one of the most beautiful in the world.

Bum!

ok slow mate slowly... i dont know the capability of Durban City so i asked the questions. and never been there and in near future not in my visiting list .

lets make it step by step then

about ankara istanbul; ankara is like milan and istanbul is rome. ankara is a boring bureaucratic city with full of grey brown giant buildings and not a touristic place nothing much to see. on the other hand Istanbul is a unique historical city and means a lot for not only turks but many people in her hinterland and neighbor countries. İzmir the 3rd biggest city of Turkey is another option for olympics which hosted universiade games 2005. but ankara .. ı ıh... the best thing in ankara is the way back to Istanbul we say here..

also dont know the geo of the cape town but they attend once and really had a high vote before. so if they did once why they cant it again? and i m sure its a very very beautiful city with an amazing landscape.

there is nothing clear about the candidates yet. just Rome is officially candidate and Tokyo Durban Istanbul rumored. and every government will try to do their best at these applications. Spain can act warm to SA bid , but also she is the other head of Alliance of civilizations like Turkey and in int. relations & politics there is no such melancholy or emotions. ( what i mean how some african countries support SA cause they have economical and social connections with , Spain can react like that like Latin america supporting Spain any time). so they can say SA but at the end they can vote for Rome or Istanbul.. could be...?

about transport and accomodation and 9 years to go... remember athens . even they had a better transportation system and more touristic then any SA city. they had a big crises in these issues. last week before the games start they finished many facilities, with the aid of EU fons.

.. im thinking the same with u in many points. Rome has no chance it seems. but if i were u i wont underestimate Tokyo this time. japanese never forget when they fail and try to make t better every time as u know. madness of perfection. but about finance .. yes developing countries are more stable then d8 ones. altough we can see that in the world arena. SA Brazil Russia Qatar fıfa cups, big int. congress , other sport events are mostly changing their locations to developing ones.
cricket and Rugby; we have rugby teams and a federation here too. but they are not so populer like basketball and volleyball or swimming in the world. how many int federations they have? 118 rugby -104 cricket on the other hand 220 volleyball 213 basketball... 100 countries at least in IOC doesnt have any federation in their lands ... thats what i mean about being populer. its a culture and taste of sports. so u cant ignore anyone that doesnt like or know Cricket... its st like do u know grease wrestling??? oldest continuously running
sport event since 1300s. and in middle east and balkans its very populer which means at least 500 million people . u know ?? dont u??? shame on you... :D see... thats the difference between sports culture and regions. u cant judge other countries if a sport is not so populer. altough Turkey is not good at winter sports but we just hosted winter universaide a week ago.or qatar with fifa champ.hosting.

we are just talking here and sharing opinions. and i never been to Durban as i said before so i wonder and asking questions like if u have questions about Istanbul and Turkey i answer. and i try to be more realistic. Its their first time in olympic arena and to be honest they are not Sydney that can get the games at the first time they try to. even beijing cant do that. how can Durban do?

im not here to start arguments or fight with others just saying what i think and if i was wrong i m ready to apologise and appericate the people who teach me and make learn more about st new in my life.

what ever...
just be logical and say me the what u really see and think. do u think durban can get 2020? with 2 giants on the race and a unpredictable dark horse?

dont answer me sure yes quickly.. measure the cities , look at their balances economical, historical and with all other segments... say me... what u really think about 2020 race.

Interesting comments there, if that is how you feel, then you should tone down your completely ANTI Durban stance. Know a place and what it offers before you toss it aside.

You bring up Cape Town because it has bid once before, but thats just it, it has bid only once before and i am sure most of the votes behind it were for the Africa factor, and SA being newly back on the global stage after years of Apartheid, so not imo really a view that Cape Town is the best choice. With its good global image (and the state Durban was in those 15 years ago) it was most definately the best choice for a SA bid then.

But this is 2011 and things have changed alot since 1997. Realistically from a logistics, atmosphere and image perspective, plus weather and facilties clusters no other city in SA comes close to providing what Durban could for a games. Cape Town is arguably prettier with its mountain and Joburg is a bigger city with more infrastructure (but is massively spread out, is too high altitude wise and really would not project the right image for the games).

If the internet existed in its current form, i would not hazard a bet that people would be ripping the possibility of a Barcelona bid to pieces back in the 1980s. And imo thats what most of the comments here feel like. "Durban must not bother trying to compete with the old daddies of the old world"....but Dubai, Turkey and Doha can???

I would never compare Durban to those old world cities, they are historic and offer alot of world history on their doorstep. Thats nice for some people, for others it does not mean much. I live in a relatively young city that is only 160 odd years old. So things are obviously going to be more young, more fresh, more centred around striving for greatness and attention than ancient city which (rightly or wrongly) thinks it is superior to the new upstarts. Does that make the younger city less likely to win or offer a better package for the Olympics movement? Not at all. But the way alot of people here speak you would think there is no chance.

So to answer your loaded and rather sarcastically asked question on if Durban could realistically win the 2020 games,my short answer is yes.

My long answer is more about why should it not? To say it is currently at a distant maybe make the final stages smacks of either ignorance or bias

If the internet existed in its current form, i would not hazard a bet that people would be ripping the possibility of a Barcelona bid to pieces back in the 1980s. And imo thats what most of the comments here feel like. "Durban must not bother trying to compete with the old daddies of the old world"....but Dubai, Turkey and Doha can???


So to answer your loaded and rather sarcastically asked question on if Durban could realistically win the 2020 games,my short answer is yes.

My long answer is more about why should it not? To say it is currently at a distant maybe make the final stages smacks of either ignorance or bias


istanbul is one of those oldest daddies. so yes:D

i dont say durban should not try... if she cant try how she can get it? its like learning ride a biyc. u attend to ride at first but crush the second better or u ride it. if not the 3rd time u rule the roads...
what i said is if SA wants the games at 2020 why she didnt use more global and known city like cape town , rather than durban. thats my point. durban didnt kick myass or its not st like i had a bad relationship with a girl in Durban so i never like the city...i have no intention with her or even interest.

listen. my job is PR & marketing. the point that i still cannot make u understand is; if u have a better option to serve at the arena, why you choose the 3rd better option rather than tht. its so risky to succeed at the end. its st like not using London but try Manchester or Birmingham as the candidate first. but at the end London gets it..

but done is done... Durban is the candidate we cant change or judge the SA olympic commitee or the city government... so bonne chance hope if not Istanbul gets she will be the winner ;)

and yes im sarcastic a bit...

peace?:D

Its technically not Durban yet. But for our purposes here, its Durban.

They're busy "creating a process" currently

Paris could enter 2020 bid

French sports minister Chantal Jouanno believes France had learned from the failure of Paris' bid for the 2012 Summer Games, saying "we were too proud and too sure that we were going to win". She hinted that if Annecy loses, a French city would bid for the 2020 Summer Olympics, reports The Associated Press.

Jouanno said, "nothing is granted today. If we win the Games we won't bid. If we don't, probably. It's been too long that France has not organized the Games".

^^ OK, so I was totally wrong ! :wallbash: :wallbash:

But that's good news because the 2020 games race seems to be quite open... :cheers:



PS: Could you add Paris (or Marseille) in the poll please ???? :D

istanbul is one of those oldest daddies. so yes:D

i dont say durban should not try... if she cant try how she can get it? its like learning ride a biyc. u attend to ride at first but crush the second better or u ride it. if not the 3rd time u rule the roads...
what i said is if SA wants the games at 2020 why she didnt use more global and known city like cape town , rather than durban. thats my point. durban didnt kick myass or its not st like i had a bad relationship with a girl in Durban so i never like the city...i have no intention with her or even interest.

listen. my job is PR & marketing. the point that i still cannot make u understand is; if u have a better option to serve at the arena, why you choose the 3rd better option rather than tht. its so risky to succeed at the end. its st like not using London but try Manchester or Birmingham as the candidate first. but at the end London gets it..

but done is done... Durban is the candidate we cant change or judge the SA olympic commitee or the city government... so bonne chance hope if not Istanbul gets she will be the winner ;)

and yes im sarcastic a bit...

peace?:D

Mate I'm in marketing too so don't give me the marketing speech, Durban would be our best candidate. Maybe instead of lecturing you speak to your Istanbul team as it seems they need your help, this would be your 6th bid unluucky? Hmmm...

Mate I'm in marketing too so don't give me the marketing speech, Durban would be our best candidate. Maybe instead of lecturing you speak to your Istanbul team as it seems they need your help, this would be your 6th bid unluucky? Hmmm...

5th not 6th so what ? at least we are not living in a dream world that we can get the games in first time. trying till we succeed

if u say so .. bonne chance to durban .

Can you please guys add Manila city on the Poll!!? because Im sure Manila will be a good as place in 2020

Paris could enter 2020 bid

French sports minister Chantal Jouanno believes France had learned from the failure of Paris' bid for the 2012 Summer Games, saying "we were too proud and too sure that we were going to win".

Perhaps she's correct in terms of behind the scenes lobbying, I don't know. But I really don't think, final presentation aside, France did much wrong in the 2012 race. They were very careful not to come across as arrogant, worked out a superb technical bid and were rightly favourites for a long time. In a way, that bid reminds me very much of England 2018's failure (though England got the final presentation right, Paris didn't). Both superb bids leading the field technically, both not trying to come across as arrogant after previous failed bids (Paris' 2008 bid and England's 2006 world cup bid are also spookily similar) but both finding out, ultimately, it wasn't their time.

I'm convinced (so long as FIFA cleans itself up) that if England were to put the same bid forward again without a glitzy new frontier as an opponenet it'd have a great chance. Same point goes for Paris' 2012 plan - though of course they'll have to find a new site for the village and work out a snazzier final presentation.

In other words, they really oughtn't be beating themselves up over the 2012 loss. Another bid won and it wasn't their time, it was as simple as that. Be great if they did enter the 2020 fold, it'd certainly spice things up! :cheers:

5th not 6th so what ? at least we are not living in a dream world that we can get the games in first time. trying till we succeed

if u say so .. bonne chance to durban .

Thats one way of looking at it...the other is never going to get there?

And we never one said we were going to get it first time, only you have.

If by some miracle they do enter the 2020 race, its a big blow to other bids.

Perhaps she's correct in terms of behind the scenes lobbying, I don't know. But I really don't think, final presentation aside, France did much wrong in the 2012 race. They were very careful not to come across as arrogant, worked out a superb technical bid and were rightly favourites for a long time. In a way, that bid reminds me very much of England 2018's failure (though England got the final presentation right, Paris didn't). Both superb bids leading the field technically, both not trying to come across as arrogant after previous failed bids (Paris' 2008 bid and England's 2006 world cup bid are also spookily similar) but both finding out, ultimately, it wasn't their time.

I'm convinced (so long as FIFA cleans itself up) that if England were to put the same bid forward again without a glitzy new frontier as an opponenet it'd have a great chance. Same point goes for Paris' 2012 plan - though of course they'll have to find a new site for the village and work out a snazzier final presentation.

In other words, they really oughtn't be beating themselves up over the 2012 loss. Another bid won and it wasn't their time, it was as simple as that. Be great if they did enter the 2020 fold, it'd certainly spice things up! :cheers:

I tend to agree with your analysis, and I'd add another important point which was our successful campaign in the Euro 2016 race (against two very strong bids: Italy and Turkey) because It restored the confidence in our capability to win again bidding process for big international events.

Being French, I think we have less chance to win in 2020 than in 2024! I don't really see Roma winning a bid for 2020 but rather South Africa or Tokyo!
If it goes as I said Paris would be Heavy favourite for 2024! 100 years after 1924 Olympics in Paris!

I get a feeling that the rest of the world is watching Africa very closely. The fact that other countries are even considering Durban to have a chance of winning first time out, says that everyone knows that its time the IOC brought the games to continent. Im not sure if a bid city has ever won the games first time out?? If Durbs can get their priorities straight....roll on 2020-they can take it and wow AFRICA !!! Istanbul, Turkey, watch your review mirror, there is a black sheep possibly coming to haunt you!!

Could arrive a bid from Dubai?

They announced the intention to study a potential bid, but there has been no official news so far.

I hope they bid! :cheers:

Being French, I think we have less chance to win in 2020 than in 2024! I don't really see Roma winning a bid for 2020 but rather South Africa or Tokyo!
If it goes as I said Paris would be Heavy favourite for 2024! 100 years after 1924 Olympics in Paris!

I hope all you french think the same and stay clear of 2020

So we can easily win with Rome :)

They announced the intention to study a potential bid, but there has been no official news so far.

I hope they bid! :cheers:

The fear, here in Italy, that Dubai is going to an economic crack and so all project (see tramway lines e.g.) and event (see swimming w.c.) are the beginning of the fail of this incredibil city.

I mean this area

Blue: current Olympic Stadium and proposed Park
Red: New one
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3873/26230573.jpg

Red: Venues
Yellow: Olympic Village
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8152/48332678.jpg

Do you use Olympiat in case of Games like Olympic stadium or do you think will be realized a new one?

The fear, here in Italy, that Dubai is going to an economic crack and so all project (see tramway lines e.g.) and event (see swimming w.c.) are the beginning of the fail of this incredibil city.

Not sure I follow?

The tram project is back on track after a temporary delay caused by a change of contractor.....

If Dubai puts in a successful bid for 2020, it will be one of the best things to ever happen to Dubai.

I would not write them off just yet. There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that the global media is not privy to. And besides, this recession was a joke compared the more serious ones in the past. Not many people in the world are even aware of this....

http://i55.tinypic.com/29f71mv.jpg

Mr.Underground

They plan to use Olimpiyat Stadi.

I hear Cairo is going to also go for 2020!!

I hear Cairo is going to also go for 2020!!

????

I hear Cairo is going to also go for 2020!!

behave.

I hear Cairo is going to also go for 2020!!

Highly unlikely!!

Dubai, Cairo, what next? lets throw in Baghdad, i mean come on they REALLY have the opportunity to show a changed world society with an Olympics that Egypt could only dream of.

I'd like to see Tokyo 2020. Last bid was a good bid, interesting the idea to realize the Olympic stadium on an artificial island in the heart of the port.

I'd like to see Tokyo 2020. Last bid was a good bid, interesting the idea to realize the Olympic stadium on an artificial island in the heart of the port.

Tokyo would put on a great show!! :cheers:

I'm typing on my BlackBerry which is a pain in the ass. I will however say to Emrearas that I too have a marketing degree as well as economics so your point is moot. More to follow but again stop shouting your mouth off like some omniscient politician... It just sounds pathetic and ignorant. Nobody here is peacocking their laurels because this is supposed to be an intelligent and primarily objective forum. Get my point?

Dubai, Cairo, what next? lets throw in Baghdad, i mean come on they REALLY have the opportunity to show a changed world society with an Olympics that Egypt could only dream of.

Cairo made a bid for 2008 and has plenty of existing mostly ready to use stadiums and arenas in place. It would be a logical place in the Arab world to host, perhaps more so than Doha, Qatar.

I'd like to see Tokyo 2020. Last bid was a good bid, interesting the idea to realize the Olympic stadium on an artificial island in the heart of the port.

Tokyo would put on a great show!! :cheers:

At the end I think they will not bid

Japan has - in the next 2 years - face a fiscal crisis.

I'm typing on my BlackBerry which is a pain in the ass. I will however say to Emrearas that I too have a marketing degree as well as economics so your point is moot. More to follow but again stop shouting your mouth off like some omniscient politician... It just sounds pathetic and ignorant. Nobody here is peacocking their laurels because this is supposed to be an intelligent and primarily objective forum. Get my point?


yeah so objective, sure....

by the way tokyo is out

I would consider Istanbul.

a new olympic park, and stad for istanbul 2020 candidature officials announce. but they keep it as a secret

New stadium for 2020 for Istanbul? What's the problem with the Ataturk?

New stadium for 2020 for Istanbul? What's the problem with the Ataturk?

there is a Q&A i found on the web site of a sport magazine with sport ministry of Istanbul.

" the stadium will be 20 30 years old at 2020 and it wont be suitable anymore for the games. altough its location and open wide structure makes it windy. we can renovate the stadium or as another stadium can be made. also the olympic parks location is not suitable it will change too"

st lke that...

http://fanatik.ekolay.net/Default.aspx?aType=Detail&KategoriID=27&ArticleID=212738&Page=2

A new main stadium cannot be built for a future Istanbul Olympic bid. The Ataturk Stadium has worked fine for Istanbul. I refuse to give Istanbul any white elephants. A brand-new Olympic Stadium will spell doom for any legacy an Istanbul Olympic Games may provide.

It is a intruiging development. The IOC obviously weren't enamoured with Istanbul's previous plan given that they rejected it time after time so you feel something has to change. It seems like a barmy suggestion, but a new stadium could be an interesting new way forward. What would you say the options are emrearas? A few I can think of:

1. No new stadium. Bid with the Ataturk as before.

2. Create a new stadium (either permanant like Beijing or partially temporary like London) as a new home for athletics and convert the Ataturk to football or other uses.

3. Put together a bid like Atlanta's or Sydney's where the new stadium can be converted to a different sport afterwards; and leave the Ataturk as the main athletics stadium in Istanbul post-2020.

4. Create a new athletics stadium in the Olympic Park (either permanant like Beijing or partially temporary like London), and keep Ataturk as it is. This would leave two athletics stadiums in Istanbul.

5. Create a new stadium and demolish the Ataturk (!)


?????

Tokyo or Istanbul... but no Rome...

It is a intruiging development. The IOC obviously weren't enamoured with Istanbul's previous plan given that they rejected it time after time so you feel something has to change. It seems like a barmy suggestion, but a new stadium could be an interesting new way forward. What would you say the options are emrearas? A few I can think of:

1. No new stadium. Bid with the Ataturk as before.

2. Create a new stadium (either permanant like Beijing or partially temporary like London) as a new home for athletics and convert the Ataturk to football or other uses.

3. Put together a bid like Atlanta's or Sydney's where the new stadium can be converted to a different sport afterwards; and leave the Ataturk as the main athletics stadium in Istanbul post-2020.

4. Create a new athletics stadium in the Olympic Park (either permanant like Beijing or partially temporary like London), and keep Ataturk as it is. This would leave two athletics stadiums in Istanbul.

5. Create a new stadium and demolish the Ataturk (!)


?????

neah we are Turks remember? we just have 2 options use it or leave it :D

most probably if an official saying this they gonna make another olympic park plan inother area if the government will afford ( sure they will cause we have a law about it), also its another conspiracy theory im thinking is ; the area of the olympic park is more valuable it was 10 years ago. new residential areas growing like mushrooms from the ground everywhere close. so they can use the area for that and use another area for the new park.

another cons. theory is :D, our government is a kind that like to proud everything they made built or else.. the bigger the better the expensive also bigger is more better ... so they can be thinking about " we bring the games to istanbul" or " we make the park" i wont be suprise if they give the new stadiums ( if they gonna built a new one) Recep Tayyip Stadium.

i really not sure what will happen. but st is clear with that Q&A is, Istanbul is IN

It is a intruiging development. The IOC obviously weren't enamoured with Istanbul's previous plan given that they rejected it time after time so you feel something has to change. It seems like a barmy suggestion, but a new stadium could be an interesting new way forward. What would you say the options are emrearas? A few I can think of:

1. No new stadium. Bid with the Ataturk as before.

2. Create a new stadium (either permanant like Beijing or partially temporary like London) as a new home for athletics and convert the Ataturk to football or other uses.

3. Put together a bid like Atlanta's or Sydney's where the new stadium can be converted to a different sport afterwards; and leave the Ataturk as the main athletics stadium in Istanbul post-2020.

4. Create a new athletics stadium in the Olympic Park (either permanant like Beijing or partially temporary like London), and keep Ataturk as it is. This would leave two athletics stadiums in Istanbul.

5. Create a new stadium and demolish the Ataturk (!)


?????

Automatically, I would choose option #1. It'd be foolish of the committee to build a brand-new stadium for their summer Olympics while a good stadium exists for the event. I say if there is any serious proposal regarding a new Olympics Stadium for Istanbul, it needs to be dropped now. GThat's probably why the good large track stadiums are bring thrown away.

I think it will go to Durban SA.

I think it will go to Durban SA.

^^
Yeah, it's time to have the Olympics held in Africa!

Japan looks all but out now....

Japan's chances to host 2020 Games look slim to none

Japan's hopes to host the 2020 Summer Olympics looks bleak.

Hiroshima Mayor Tadatoshi Akiba, who was initially energetic about his city hosting the Games, suddenly announced his plans to step down when his current term expires in April. And Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara, who is considering another bid for the capital after failing to get the 2016 Olympics, hasn't clarified whether he will run for another term.

The Japanese Olympic Committee will be closely watching to see how things play out in April.

The idea for Hiroshima and Nagasaki to jointly host the Olympics began with Akiba in September 2008

"The Olympics are the only global festival that can celebrate the realization of a nuclear-free world," said Akiba, who wanted the Olympics for the only two cities to have suffered atomic bombings.

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are pushing for all nuclear weapons worldwide to be eliminated by 2020.

Akiba's plan for co-hosting the Games hit a roadblock before even getting out of the starting gate as the International Olympic Committee said its rules prohibit the co-hosting of any Olympics.

With Nagasaki now out of the picture, in September 2010 Akiba announced a basic plan that insisted on not building new stadiums or transport infrastructures due to the Hiroshima's tight budget. This ignited heated opposition and Akiba was criticized for his "unrealistic" plan to fund almost 100 billion yen of the total of more than 400 billion yen in costs by collecting donations from around the world.

According to polls conducted by numerous media outlets last fall, opponents largely outnumbered supporters of Akiba's plan.

Regarding his reason for stepping down as mayor this April, Akiba has only said in videos uploaded to a video-sharing website that, "It was time for me to leave."

Some analysts say Akiba was getting sick of the growing opposition to his idea for an Olympic bid. He is not expected to designate a successor, which means the idea of an Olympic bid for Hiroshima will probably fade away.

The JOC has effectively given up on Hiroshima and now focusing on Tokyo.

The JOC has invited IOC President Jacques Rogge to the JOC and Japan Sports Association's 100th anniversary ceremony to be held in Tokyo in July. It also invited the General Assembly of the Olympic Committee of Asia. The JOC seems prepared to present Tokyo as a prime candidate to IOC officials.

But there is fierce competition surrounding the hosting of the 2020 Olympic Games. South Africa is showing interest since its successful hosting soccer's World Cup last year. Rome, which aims to host an Olympic Games for the first time in 60 years, has already expressed its intention to place a bid. If Pyeongchang, South Korea, is picked to host the 2018 Winter Olympics (to be determined in July), chances of another East Asian nation hosting the Olympics will be slim.

But Hiroshima is not completely out of the picture just yet.

"It's better for Hiroshima if other cities place bids," said one JOC offcial. "This is a time for not Tokyo, but for Japan to place an Olympic bid."

Within JOC, there is a "Plan B" to allow Tokyo to host most of the Games and have Hiroshima co-host some competitions.

But the main player in this scenario--Tokyo--is less than enthusiastic.

Governor Ishihara said it would be difficult for Tokyo to successfully win a bid even it tried again. In a Jan. 23 interview on TV Asahi, Ishihara said of the 2020 summer Olympic bid, "I would like to try it. But it's not possible considering Japan's attitude. We can't make an all-out effort (if) citizens have no strong interest on this matter."

Ishihara added that the decision on whether to place another Olympic bid was, "the next governor's decision."

Meanwhile, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government has appointed a person in charge of the Olympic bid within its Bureau of Sports.

"We want to be prepared to respond in case the next governor decides to take on the challenge again," said a senior official at the Tokyo Metropolitan Government.


(This article was written by Yasufumi Kado, Yuichiro Oka and Hideaki Yuri.)



Source (http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201102170298.html)

rome istanbul durban....

too few ...

OMG, good news (possible new stadium for Istanbul)

But we have to hope that the new park will be inside the city.


Istanbul does not need a big stadium with a track.
The clubs have their own stadiums
Galatasaray SK: 52,695
Fenerbahçe SK: 50,530
Besiktas JK: 42,000 pro
Kasimpasa SK: 14,000
Istanbul BB SK: 12,000 pro
Other small clubs have stadiums around 8,000-15,000.

London's project is the best for Istanbul.
Built a 80,000-100,000 for the Olympics.
Reduce the cap. to 25,000 after the Olympics. A 25,000 is big enough for Athletics.

^^ And what about the 90K project for Atatürk presented in your Euro 2016 bid ??? Is it dead ?? ('cause I liked it, and if you want to host the Euro/WC you need to have a large stadium like Atatürk)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8485/e6b38af026c94f6aa9e43eb.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5649/bbb4acd1da62427da0ed0c3.jpg

i think they probably gonna plan st for Both Uefa champ, olympics and possible world cup .. thinking st like that makes me excited :D

rome istanbul durban....

too few ...

I think we need to be patient... More announcements will come before the deadline in April. I'm sure! :)

If they built a new 80,000-100,000 for the 2020 Olympics they can use it for EURO 2020 :D

Guys, maybe you like Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi, but this stadium is closer to Athens as to Istanbul

If they built a new 80,000-100,000 for the 2020 Olympics they can use it for EURO 2020 :D

Guys, maybe you like Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi, but this stadium is closer to Athens as to Istanbul

common...:)
it was an urban legend when it built.. now its at the center of başakşehir, bahçeşehir... quite valuable area...:D

Istanbul is huge, but its still far away.
Stadium - center are 17km.
As far as i know the longest distance between center and "Olympic" stadium

I've said it before and will say it again, any Istanbul bid, like the Rio 2016 bid, must begin with a complete rethink of the Games concept if its to progress to candidate stage or to win.

Istanbul cannot afford any negative sentiment or views regarding its technical plan. The flaws in its previous bid were clearly documented including the lack of progress between the 2004, 2008 and 2012 bid.

In this case the, keeping it simple, and low risk would put Istanbul in a strong position.

So now Dallas wants to bid too? :tongue2:


From Super Bowl To 2020 Summer Games?

http://i56.tinypic.com/afki6q.jpg
Arlington, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, will host Super Bowl XLV at Cowboys Stadium (above) on Feb. 6. Dallas hopes its existing sports infrastructure will help the city win the bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games.
Ronald Martinez/Getty Images



February 2, 2011
Even as the Dallas area bursts its buttons, hosting the Super Bowl for the first time in Jerry Jones' new American coliseum, the city has developed an even greater itch it wants to scratch.

OK, here we go again.

The International Olympic Committee has dismissively rejected New York City and Chicago in recent Olympic competitions, and soccer's organization, FIFA, chose little Qatar over the U.S. for the 2022 World Cup. But Dallas is growing ever more determined to declare its candidacy for the 2020 games.

Is that masochistic? Are we just the giant sugar daddy nobody in sports loves? When the vote is taken in 2013, will Dallas even have a chance against such other presumed contenders as old world classics like Rome and Madrid; or Istanbul — especially now that Turkey is sort of the "it" country; or Dubai, the luxurious Oz of the Persian Gulf?

The fact is that the IOC's Europhile members prefer to take our musty television money but give the glamorous games themselves to somebody else. While the U.S. has four times hosted the Summer Olympics, on three of those occasions — St. Louis in 1904 and Los Angeles in '32 and '84 — no foreign city bid. The IOC just had to hold its nose and let its precious show go to America. Then, when Atlanta did win in 1996, foreigners found it by far the most unattractive of all modern Olympics.

Poor Salt Lake City won the 2002 Winter Games and then was caught up in a scandal that embarrassed the IOC. Never mind that Olympic corruption was endemic, and Salt Lake City just happened to get caught in a rare moment of Olympic honesty.

For all that Dallas has going for it — a vibrantly growing city, the nation's fourth-largest metropolitan area, one that is already jam-packed with existing stadium and arena facilities — and given the fact that Asia, Europe and South America all will have held the Summer Games in the 21st century and it's sort of North America's turn, Dallas has to fight not only the bias against the United States and the ugly memory of Atlanta's so-called T-shirt Games and the fact that our U.S. Olympic Committee has been both a dope and a patsy, but its own disastrously torrid summer climate. To hold the Olympics in the relatively milder period around the beginning of June, Dallas would need a dispensation from the IOC, which lists a weather window from July 15 to August 31.

So, Dallas has so much to overcome in what seems almost a quixotic quest to try to make the United States a sports destination again. Well, anyway, we can be grateful that one of our cities hasn't given up the ghost — and if the woebegone Cowboys can't be America's team anymore, at least Dallas can be our last forlorn hope, America's dream.








Source (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/02/133399829/from-super-bowl-to-summer-games)

So now Dallas wants to bid too? :tongue2:




Source (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/02/133399829/from-super-bowl-to-summer-games)

i read it 3 weeks ago... but couldnt get whats "it country " named for turkey..

lol at least they can show us who shoot j.R at the series in the opening ceremony :P

USOC have said there'll be no 2020 bid. What makes Dallas think they'll change their minds?

When the vote is taken in 2013
Huh, 2013.
Istanbul has got nothing. I think we will lose again.
We should bid for 2024 :D

Huh, 2013.
Istanbul has got nothing. I think we will lose again.
We should bid for 2024 :D
which city has everything before they get the games?
7 years will enough for built and making the city prepare. if athens mexico city and rio did and will do. istanbul hayli hayli can do:D

Huh, 2013.
Istanbul has got nothing. I think we will lose again.
We should bid for 2024 :D

Against Paris 2024? 100 years since Paris last hosted.

eesh, thats asking a bit much,

Olee 2028 Istanbul :D

^^ So..2020 Rome, 2024 Paris and 2028 Istanbul... Although I'd be glad to see 3 European cities in a row..I think that's not gonna happen !

:(
Viva 2032 Istanbul :D

So now Dallas wants to bid too? :tongue2:




Source (http://www.npr.org/2011/02/02/133399829/from-super-bowl-to-summer-games)

lol lol lol ! well i wouldn't mind the chance for my city to host the games but i'd much rather prefer Dallas bid for something like the PanAmerican Games or IAAF Championship. Perhaps WAYYYYYYYY down the future the SOG could come here, at least before Houston ever gets a shot :P

but in the meantime Istanbul 2020 sounds lovely :)

Be interesting to see if the IOC will go back to back new countries.

Last year World Cup South Africa was done really well, so I would like to see Durban SA host an upcoming Olympic maybe 2020.

I give my voice in favor of Tokyo, the capital of Japan. The city once held the Olympic Games. But then, Tokyo has been developing a post-war city. Today Tokyo - is the most developed city in the world, while Japan is one of the developed nations in the world. He rightfully should host the Olympics for the second time in 2020. So be it! Amen.

:(
Viva 2032 Istanbul :D

2020 ;) by the way i dont understand that centennial games shit... every game is centennial for a city. so what ? no cities will bid for the gmes? it becomes like a routin chart .. 2024 paris 2028 amsterdam 32 la 36 berlin...??? will it go like this.

its so stupid to say o chance to other cities for 2024 but paris...

Against Paris 2024? 100 years since Paris last hosted.

eesh, thats asking a bit much,

everyone keeps going on about Paris 2024 in godly tones. Who says they will get it? Who has ever got the so called century anniversary? The way alot of people here speak you would think that 50/100 year anniversaries are a def win for a city, when in reality it is just another year - athens didnt get theirs

everyone keeps going on about Paris 2024 in godly tones. Who says they will get it? Who has ever got the so called century anniversary? The way alot of people here speak you would think that 50/100 year anniversaries are a def win for a city, when in reality it is just another year - athens didnt get theirs

All must be considered within context Dysan. With context you will understand better why Paris 2024 as a centenary bid would be strong.

Strong not unbeatable. Athens in 1989/1990 is different to Paris of 2017 or even Paris of 2005 for a bundle of reasons.

I'd go as far as saying Paris even has a real chance at 2024 even if Munich and/or Rome win in 2018 and 2020 respectively, and will certainly be the immediate favourite if it enters the 2020 race.

Why do they keep mentioning Dubai even though there has been no official news for 2020? :dunno: Do they know something we don't??

Di Montezemolo turns down 2020 Olympic position


Mon, 21 Feb 17:00:55 2011

The mayor of Rome has revealed that Luca di Montezemolo has turned down the chance to lead the city’s bid to host the 2020 Olympic Games.

The Ferrari president, who helped to organise the 1990 football World Cup, had been put forward as potential leader of the Olympic bid – thanks in no small part to the success he enjoyed when putting Italia 90 together.

However, despite the approach, di Montezemolo has elected to turn down the position, with Reuters reporting that he had only been interested in the job is certain levels of financial and government support could be provided.

"I'm sorry that Luca di Montezemolo has decided there are not the conditions to accept the role," mayor Gianni Alemanno told reporters.

Rome is going up against rivals from the likes of Dubai and Japan to try and secure the games.



Source (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21022011/23/di-montezemolo-turns-olympic-position.html)

Last year World Cup South Africa was done really well, so I would like to see Durban SA host an upcoming Olympic maybe 2020.

Thanks Bro - it was the making of our nation - crime levels dropped, people came together, and the world paid attention to us as a dynamic, beautiful place, not an african slum or a depressing backwater. We will do the same for Durban if we get the chance!!!

I give my voice in favor of Tokyo, the capital of Japan. The city once held the Olympic Games. But then, Tokyo has been developing a post-war city.

Uhmmm....yeah...except Japan's credit rating has been downgraded to NEGATIVE.

http://topnews360.tmcnet.com/topics/associated-press/articles/2011/02/25/148331-moodys-cuts-outlook-japan-credit-rating.htm

So for the next year or 2 at least, Japan joins the disreputable creditor nations of Greece, Spain and Ireland.

I know that the bid processing isn't started yat, but is there anyone that could make a list of the possible bidders?

According to the rumors the cities could be:

- ROME
- ISTANBUL
- TOKYO
- DUBAI
- DURBAN
- PARIS (2020 or 2024, after the defeat of Annecy for 2018)
- MADRID (Maybe)

Any other possible bidders or cities interested to 2020 Games?

I think Tokyo has the best chance to win this 2020 bid, especially after the 2016 olympics and worldcup 2022 turndowns.
Also tokyo currently is the most futuristic high tech city in the world. With the best infrasructure currently (By 2020 will be even larger than today), and the great facilities around tokyo. Hence i see a huge chance for Japan to hold again the olympics for the first time since 1964.

^^ If they bid. We're still hearing talk about Hisroshima; nothing from the Japanese capital for 2020 yet...

after the defeat of Munich could Berlin or any other german city try to bid for 2020?

Any city from s-e Asia?

by the way i dont understand that centennial games shit... every game is centennial for a city. so what ?
...
its so stupid to say o chance to other cities for 2024 but paris...

I fully agree, but France created the modern Olympics... remember ?? :bowtie:
And the founding country of the Olympic Movement didn't host the summer games since 1924 !!! (=an eternity)....

So, now it's our turn (soon :mad:) !!! :horse:

(and BTW, Paris is a strong candidate indeed, but Lyon, Marseille ou Nice could be perfect hosts too...)

^^ If they bid. We're still hearing talk about Hisroshima; nothing from the Japanese capital for 2020 yet...

Let Hiroshima bid, and see how it goes. Then if or when it fails go back to the safety of Tokyo. Even if it does fail it would give lots of worldwide exposure to Hiroshima.

Actually Competition between candidates is very hard, it hurts that Toronto is not a candidate, but I bet it is between Durban and Tokyo, but at the wins I wish him well.

It doesn't hurt that Toronto isn't a candidate, it's more logical for Toronto to try for 2024, as it's probably been pointed out how silly it would seem to be proposing an 80,000 seater Athletics stadium just 2-3 years prior to the 2015 Pan American Games.

I suppose Quebec 2022 might be a threat, but if it worked for Vancouver 2010 (in which Toronto had bid and failed for 2008) then I suppose a failed Quebec 2022 bid would strengthen Toronto 2024.

It doesn't hurt that Toronto isn't a candidate, it's more logical for Toronto to try for 2024, as it's probably been pointed out how silly it would seem to be proposing an 80,000 seater Athletics stadium just 2-3 years prior to the 2015 Pan American Games.

I suppose Quebec 2022 might be a threat, but if it worked for Vancouver 2010 (in which Toronto had bid and failed for 2008) then I suppose a failed Quebec 2022 bid would strengthen Toronto 2024.

^^^^^^
Oh, True! Toronto will be a head office of Pan American 2015, but toronto might aspire for the Olympian some after these sports jousts and that good would be to be able to attend them here, thanks for your clarification Lord David.

:(
Viva 2032 Istanbul :D

LOOOOLLLL i just died reading your post throughout the thread :D

^^^^^^
Oh, True! Toronto will be a head office of Pan American 2015, but toronto might aspire for the Olympian some after these sports jousts and that good would be to be able to attend them here, thanks for your clarification Lord David.

Indeed, it just seemed silly to me. If Toronto was the surefire bid of 2020, then why not propose an athletics stadium for the 2015 Pan American Games that could be expanded for an Olympics. 2024, seems the logical option. You look at how successful 2015 becomes (if it does) then look at the site where you'd have the Olympic Stadium built.

Ok, Lord David, insurance would manage to have the stages adapted for The Olympics if probably Toronto was throwing himself as candidate for this time (2020), and if it is good that were extending the stages that were staying in Toronto after the Pan-American ones to attend to the offers and demands of the COI for the achievement of the Olympian jousts if toronto it is thrown as candidate, again thank you Lord David for his Clarification and affirmation.

I fully agree, but France created the modern Olympics... remember ?? :bowtie:
And the founding country of the Olympic Movement didn't host the summer games since 1924 !!! (=an eternity)....

So, now it's our turn (soon :mad:) !!! :horse:

True


(and BTW, Paris is a strong candidate indeed, but Lyon, Marseille ou Nice could be perfect hosts too...)

faulse: no other french city can host the SOG, they are too small and provincial for such an event.

2020 - I can see Rome getting it, they're just the logical choice.

2024 - Paris or Istanbul.

2028 - Somewhere in the US or Africa.

I'm sorry solopop, but it's so unlikely we'll have two Euro hosts in a row. The IOC generally don't award to the same continent consecutively; they haven't done since I think the 1950s. That's why there has been talk of Paris bidding for 2020. If they really want the Games, they can't afford for Rome to snatch 2020. For the sake of the Olympics Turkey is considered European, so they would also be virtually out of the running for 2024 if a Euro city snatched 2020.

And I think Eddard Stark is right. It's Paris or bust for France, just as it was London or bust for the UK. Manchester, Birmingham and Lille all went by the wayside. OK, these cities might make "perfect hosts" in some people's opinions and they may be able to pull off a good Games, but the IOC just aren't interested. If a time comes where major world cities aren't interested anymore, perhaps such cities will have a chance, but there's no sign of that happening.

Siegen should host the Olympics LOL

hmm seems like istanbul in.. but not officialy announced from the turkish olympic committe.

youth and sport minister had a interview about 2013 mersin mediterenean games and said " Istanbul gonna host 2020 games, in previous applications we just show models on papers but today Istanbul has magnificent sport arenas and hosting many int. organisations.now we are ready"

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=1099195&title=mersinde-olimpiyat-provasi-yapilacak

:ohno:
Wow,
We have a windy stadium 20km away from center.
Nothing around the stadium.

Basketball:
Sinan Erdem. But just 16,000.
Ülker Arena 12,500
Abdi Ipekci 10,550

Gymnastics: We need a nee arena

Voleyball:
Ülker Arena 12,500
Abdi Ipekci 10,550
Burhan Felek 7.000

Swimming etc:
Current one has to be expanded and needs a roof

Judo, wrestling, boxing etc.:
We need at least 2 new 7,000+ arenas

I believe the games should be awarded primarily to countries which have not hosted them yet. As a Pole I'd love Warsaw to get the games in 2024 or 2028 but Prague or Budapest would also be nice. I also heard about Kazakhstan intending to bid which is great.

I believe the games should be awarded primarily to countries which have not hosted them yet. As a Pole I'd love Warsaw to get the games in 2024 or 2028 but Prague or Budapest would also be nice. I also heard about Kazakhstan intending to bid which is great.

Yep, but winter games.

About Warsaw should realize a good transport netwwork before running for Olympic Games. We know that Warsaw has a good tram network, but metro system is far from occidental level.

What I appreciated in my polish trip was to see many buses on service for all the night.

:ohno:
Wow,
We have a windy stadium 20km away from center.
Nothing around the stadium.

Basketball:
Sinan Erdem. But just 16,000.
Ülker Arena 12,500
Abdi Ipekci 10,550

Gymnastics: We need a nee arena

Voleyball:
Ülker Arena 12,500
Abdi Ipekci 10,550
Burhan Felek 7.000

Swimming etc:
Current one has to be expanded and needs a roof

Judo, wrestling, boxing etc.:
We need at least 2 new 7,000+ arenas

lol.. whats with u and ataturk olympic stadium i dont get ? u have to be happy .. they gonna make new one :)
altough the arenas u named are far away from each other and most probably just sinan erdem will be used if the olympics will host here. altough i dont know how many candidates have 4 35000+ stadiums, and 4 10000 + arenas with tens of 3000+ capacity sport venues.?

we need to be patient for the new olympic park plan.

Yep, but winter games.

About Warsaw should realize a good transport netwwork before running for Olympic Games. We know that Warsaw has a good tram network, but metro system is far from occidental level.

What I appreciated in my polish trip was to see many buses on service for all the night.
Well, I admit Warsaw's subway is not very impressive but construction works on the second line have already started (the first part is supposed to be finished by 2013, I think). I think that by the time Warsaw is even eligible to bid (2024? 2028?) it will have a more developed subway, a full ring road and a high-speed rail link to at least the city of Poznań (not far from Germany so it's possible to extend and connect it to the German network)). A motorway link to Germany is being constructed right now and should be ready next year. Motorways and expressways are constructed in the whole country so it should be easier to travel. The national stadium that's under construction now should get boring in about 15 years ;) , so a redesign or redevelopment is possible. Warsaw 2028 sounds nice to me :)

I 'd see Budapest or Prague a more interesting choice for central Europe.

I know that Warsaw is realizing the second line, general contractor is italian, Astaldi.

As far as i know you need more tha just 2 10,000+ Arenas?!!

New Stadium is still not clear. And if they built a new one, where will it be?.
IMO not closer to the city

I 'd see Budapest or Prague a more interesting choice for central Europe.

I know that Warsaw is realizing the second line, general contractor is italian, Astaldi.

In EE only Warsaw has the city dimension and the size of the country fit for Olympics, however this will not happen for many more years.

As far as i know you need more tha just 2 10,000+ Arenas?!!

New Stadium is still not clear. And if they built a new one, where will it be?.
IMO not closer to the city

i dont know.. wondering too..

about arenas, i mean even the candidates for 2020 hasnt got as much capacity as istanbul has for now.

as i know rome has just 1 indoor arena more thn 10.000 capacity. ( if im wrong please correct me)

and durban hasnt got either...

lol.. whats with u and ataturk olympic stadium i dont get ? u have to be happy .. they gonna make new one :)
altough the arenas u named are far away from each other and most probably just sinan erdem will be used if the olympics will host here. altough i dont know how many candidates have 4 35000+ stadiums, and 4 10000 + arenas with tens of 3000+ capacity sport venues.?

we need to be patient for the new olympic park plan.

Forget it, Istanbul is not going to build a new while elephant Olympic Stadium. They already have one in Ataturk Stadium, so do not even think about building a brand-new stadium. I think whoever thought about the new Olympic Stadium for Istanbul must be smoking something or is probably drunk.

Forget it, Istanbul is not going to build a new while elephant Olympic Stadium. They already have one in Ataturk Stadium, so do not even think about building a brand-new stadium. I think whoever thought about the new Olympic Stadium for Istanbul must be smoking something or is probably drunk.

sport and youth minister he is :S

i dont know.. wondering too..

about arenas, i mean even the candidates for 2020 hasnt got as much capacity as istanbul has for now.

as i know rome has just 1 indoor arena more thn 10.000 capacity. ( if im wrong please correct me)

and durban hasnt got either...

Durbans current largest indoor arena has seating for 8000 people if the central area is used for events. (i.e not in concert mode).

Plans are well advanced for a second indoor arena as part of a sports science institute development within the Kings Park sports zone, this was stipulated to be 11,000 capacity. Any extra arena development will be the improvement of the cities existing Indoor Arenas at the Universities which will be a better legacy project

Durbans current largest indoor arena has seating for 8000 people if the central area is used for events. (i.e not in concert mode).

Plans are well advanced for a second indoor arena as part of a sports science institute development within the Kings Park sports zone, this was stipulated to be 11,000 capacity. Any extra arena development will be the improvement of the cities existing Indoor Arenas at the Universities which will be a better legacy project

8000 is enough for Durban i guess

by the way the olympic park situated around the FİFA cup stadium? or another stadium gonna built? any ideas?

You can't take arena size as a measure of capability. Durban like any other city must build what it needs. It doesn't need as many areans as per the IOC technical manual on sports venue requirement as will simply need to build temporary structures for those venues it doesn'tneed.

There is no demand in Durban for a 20,000 seat indoor arena, and it should not be forced to build one.

You can't take arena size as a measure of capability. Durban like any other city must build what it needs. It doesn't need as many areans as per the IOC technical manual on sports venue requirement as will simply need to build temporary structures for those venues it doesn'tneed.

There is no demand in Durban for a 20,000 seat indoor arena, and it should not be forced to build one.


sure but it can be measure as the licensed athletes and teams per capacity. Istanbul needs big arenas cause we have 3 volleyball teams in euro arena ( in final fours) and 3 basketball teams and huge fans coming to matches and it means big money for the clubs like football stadiums

but its not st IOC want at the cities for sure.

Voleyball clubs do not need a new Arena.

Currently nearly all Istanbulian Voleyball Clubs play at the new Burhan Felek Hall (7,000)

(Women's Volleyball)
Fenerbahçe
Eczacıbaşı Zentiva
VakıfBank Güneş Sigorta Türk Telekom
Galatasaray SK

(Men's Volleyball)
Fenerbahçe
Galatasaray


The rest plays is smaler Halls. (1,000-2,500).

At Basketball we will have 3 10,000+ Arenas.
But don't we need more Arenas?

At the 2008 bid they proposed just 1 new arena. Rest was temporary

Voleyball clubs do not need a new Arena.

Currently nearly all Istanbulian Voleyball Clubs play at the new Burhan Felek Hall (7,000)

(Women's Volleyball)
Fenerbahçe
Eczacıbaşı Zentiva
VakıfBank Güneş Sigorta Türk Telekom
Galatasaray SK

(Men's Volleyball)
Fenerbahçe
Galatasaray


The rest plays is smaler Halls. (1,000-2,500).

At Basketball we will have 3 10,000+ Arenas.
But don't we need more Arenas?

At the 2008 bid they proposed just 1 new arena. Rest was temporary

yes... its like soccer. every team has its own stadium arena...and ulker efes gs fb or bjk needs more thn 10000 capacity cause the supporters really interest in their int. matchs

Actually the arenas are just full, because there are free tickets for EL matches and its EL.

League or Eurocup very poor attendance

yes... its like soccer. every team has its own stadium arena...and ulker efes gs fb or bjk needs more thn 10000 capacity cause the supporters really interest in their int. matchs

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

it's not called SOCCER! it's called FOOTBALL!

:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

The proposed arenas at the 2008 Bid.

Temporary
Actually they planned to built a exhibition center
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7162/sergipc2.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5305/sergipc.jpg

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/402/sergi.jpg

6 Halls and 5 of them would have been formed into arenas

Hall 1: 5,000
fencing
http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3324/sergi15000.jpg

Hall 2: 5,000
Taekwando and tabletennis
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7016/sergi25000.jpg

Hall 3: 10,000
Boxing
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3519/sergi310000.jpg

Hall 4: 12,000
Wrestling and Judo
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8163/sergi412000.jpg

Hall 5: 18,000
Gymnastics
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5676/sergi518000.jpg


Existing:
Sinan Erdem Dome (22,500)
Abdi Ipekci (10,550)

New:
Kazlicesme (15,000).

So for 2020 Istanbul will have:
Sinan Erdem (16,000)
Ülker Arena (12,500)
Abdi Ipekci (10,550)
New GS Arena (10,000)

So we need 2 temporary 10,000+ arenas??!

sure but it can be measure as the licensed athletes and teams per capacity. Istanbul needs big arenas cause we have 3 volleyball teams in euro arena ( in final fours) and 3 basketball teams and huge fans coming to matches and it means big money for the clubs like football stadiums

but its not st IOC want at the cities for sure.

If they are needed so much, why have they not been built regardless? hmmm

If they are needed so much, why have they not been built regardless? hmmm
Hmmm but they already built years ago and new arenas planing to built followung years by clubs. Like fenerbahce arena and galatasaray too.

istanbul and rome is nice!

Wow so much fodder to digest. I think what baffles me the most about this debate is that everyone seems to be blissfully unaware of geopolitical and economic affairs and are solely focused on what their cities can build and how and where etc. Planning is very important... but its useless without any political leverage... fact.

Regardless of the truth, Istanbul's ambitions will have been severely impaired by the nonsense going on in the middle east (Bahrain, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt) because it is perceived as a Muslim country and even though it is miles from these areas of unrest, the western world will be concerned... be it for convenient reasons or otherwise. Having lived in France during the European vote as to whether Turkey be included in the EU I can say categorically that the French will look for any excuse to throw Turkey into the same heap as the aforementioned country's and in so doing question its place in the extended EU. Its political and economical. From that position Spain will probably jump on the bandwagon, I remember Belgium being against and I don't feel like checking the statistics but to my knowledge most Germans were anti as well. All that the EU needs is for one spark of Islamic unrest and they will ensure that Istanbul's bid goes down in flames due to their prejudice. I may be wrong but I doubt it. Its not fair but thats how the world works.

Furthermore, if anyone was paying attention, South Africa just gave the French the rights to build nuclear plants in the country which is going to cost South Africa a fortune. That said, aside from nuclear power being a fairly sound solution to the country's energy needs, would it not make sense that the French would want to somehow "pay back" South Africa for their investment? It would appear self-evident.

Now lets throw Rome into the picture. It is a given that Paris will try to host the games in 2024. Not a maybe. A given. How they lost to London for 2016 is beyond me but anyway... it is highly unlikely that they will bid for 2020. So if Rome were to win the 2020 bid per se, and Paris won the 2024 bid, then that would mean 2 European Olympics in a row and 3 out of the past 4 with Brazil being the only exception. There is no way the IOC will let Europe monopolise the games to that extent and therefore it would appear logical that the French in particular would not support a Rome bid for 2020 as they would know it would kill their bid for 2024. So who does their vote swing towards and who else do they drag with them? The only reason I can see them going for Istanbul is due to proximity as for the 2010 world cup some European countries wanted Morocco to host it as it was far more convenient to get there. Maybe they will consider the same logic again though I find it unlikely that this would be the definitive aspect.

In summation, I think this thread would be a lot more productive if everyone stopped focusing solely on what arenas are going to be built and what city has the best airport or tallest building etc. and considered that there are many many more factors to consider than a bunch of pretty drawings and "mine's bigger than yours" talk.

^^^ Noob? (apologies) Turkey, well Istanbul probably made the logical choice of not bidding for 2016. If they do bid for 2020, expect them to be one of the favorites.

The nonsense in the Middle East? That's just temporary, you don't seriously expect protests lasting well into 2013 now do you? Once these dictatorships and kingdoms abdicate and whatever, and things go back to normal, then most people wouldn't associate Turkey with the current trouble in the Middle East.

They may be considered an Islamic nation (by sheer numbers), but in reality, the government considers itself secular, permitting freedom of religion as per their constitution.

Expect a significantly strong Turkish bid for 2020, learning from past mistakes and proposing a workable, financially responsible Olympics that would benefit everyone involved.

In summation, I think this thread would be a lot more productive if everyone stopped focusing solely on what arenas are going to be built and what city has the best airport or tallest building etc. and considered that there are many many more factors to consider than a bunch of pretty drawings and "mine's bigger than yours" talk.

I appreciate your comments but there is a larger context to the discussion which includes looking at the plans each city may represent, which e.g. directly links to Durban's eye-catching stadium as a centrepiece or the proposals that each city may present.

On the other hand this thread is for all topics related to the 2020 Games, and if you have may have noticed, these forums are related to architecture and urban developments, and as such this thread should probably focus on those. So it's no surprise that such discussions are raised in this thread, or even suggested as a means of winning. Perhaps within a different environment or context, but the London Athletics legacy was a key part of its bid proposal/promise, hence the fuss related to West Ham/Tottenham.

Nobody is suggesting new arenas in Istanbul will seal the deal, but believe it or not pretty pictures and the legacy message of London 2012, outside of geo-politics played a large role in how London won over Paris, which you suggest is "beyond me".

Suggesting that Paris 2024 as a bid, is a given, is as up in the air as suggesting any other city is a given.

These races run based on their own dynamics within a "wow factor" and "geo-politics" context. All things must and can be considered including arenas.

In the context of Durban and Istanbul, both cities which may straddle the 6 rating benchmark , and given the potential quality of the remainder of the field, may not become candidates at all, every bit helps.

Yes, to a degree...

BUT the vast majority of the chat in here is far from based in realities

Finally, some news on Dubai's potential bid.... :D

Might not be 2020, but it's coming!! :D

Redgrave backs Dubai Olympic bid


Five-time gold medallist feels nation top contender to stage showpiece in region

By Alaric Gomes, Senior Reporter Published: 00:00 March 8, 2011

Dubai: Great Britain's greatest Olympian, Sir Steve Redgrave, has touted the UAE as being the first Middle East nation in successfully bidding for an Olympic Games.

"The main thing would be to try and understand what exactly the IOC [International Olympic Committee] wants. As a nation, you need to gauge the mood of the IOC and for this, you need to be a visionary to ensure that sport is supported and enhanced at the same time," Redgrave told top officials from the various sports associations and federations from the UAE at the Leadership Centre here yesterday.

"I sincerely hope you do bid for an Olympic Games here as an event like this would be fantastic for the entire region," he added.

Redgrave is in the UAE to highlight ‘500 Days to Go' on the journey to the 2012 London Olympic and Paralympics Games. During his two-day stay here, Redgrave was also scheduled to meet top officials from the Dubai Sports Council and members from the tourism and investment sectors.

Accompanied by UK Consul General Guy Warrington, Redgrave addressed presidents and vice-presidents from various UAE sports associations and federations before proceeding to the Dubai International Marine Club (DIMC) for a test drive on a Victory Team boat poised alongside a traditional wooden dhow.

"We have been directed by His Highness Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice-President and Prime Minister of the UAE and Ruler of Dubai to bid for the Olympics.

"We have been working on the bid process, but we don't know when we will be bidding to host the Games," UAE National Olympic Committee official Abdul Rahman Falaknaz told the audience.

"I think this place ought to be the first to bid or else it will be a long, long time before the Olympic Games return to the region," Redgrave observed.

However, Redgrave — one of only four Olympians to have won a gold medal at five consecutive Olympic Games — threw in a few words of caution to be exercised while preparing a solid bid for an Olympic Games.

"You need the government on board and you need the backing of the people on the promise that you will leave behind a solid legacy for the future," Redgrave said.

Among the early sportspersons involved in the bidding process for London 2012, Redgrave recalled how they had a tough time either getting then London Mayor Ken Livingstone on board to back them or for that matter getting the support from a Tony Blair-led Labour government.




[Source (http://gulfnews.com/sport/other-sports/redgrave-backs-uae-olympic-bid-1.772953)

Mo I agree with your assertion that this discussion should be architectural and infrastructure centric but as Dysan pointed out there is a flagrant tendency for certain people to continually digress from this ergo the need to put things in context. Furthermore using bold text to prove your point is a little inflamatory but Barcelona won so I'm in a polite enough mood to not take offence.

Because if it's all about beautiful, exciting new buildings, then Doha-Dubai would win hands down. But then again, this is a site for fan-bois and aspiring architectural students...

Mo I agree with your assertion that this discussion should be architectural and infrastructure centric but as Dysan pointed out there is a flagrant tendency for certain people to continually digress from this ergo the need to put things in context. Furthermore using bold text to prove your point is a little inflamatory but Barcelona won so I'm in a polite enough mood to not take offence.

Bold Part 1: important part of post
Bold Part 2: we don't yet know which other cities will bid.

Wow so much fodder to digest. I think what baffles me the most about this debate is that everyone seems to be blissfully unaware of geopolitical and economic affairs and are solely focused on what their cities can build and how and where etc. Planning is very important... but its useless without any political leverage... fact.

Regardless of the truth, Istanbul's ambitions will have been severely impaired by the nonsense going on in the middle east (Bahrain, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt) because it is perceived as a Muslim country and even though it is miles from these areas of unrest, the western world will be concerned... be it for convenient reasons or otherwise. Having lived in France during the European vote as to whether Turkey be included in the EU I can say categorically that the French will look for any excuse to throw Turkey into the same heap as the aforementioned country's and in so doing question its place in the extended EU. Its political and economical. From that position Spain will probably jump on the bandwagon, I remember Belgium being against and I don't feel like checking the statistics but to my knowledge most Germans were anti as well. All that the EU needs is for one spark of Islamic unrest and they will ensure that Istanbul's bid goes down in flames due to their prejudice. I may be wrong but I doubt it. Its not fair but thats how the world works.

Furthermore, if anyone was paying attention, South Africa just gave the French the rights to build nuclear plants in the country which is going to cost South Africa a fortune. That said, aside from nuclear power being a fairly sound solution to the country's energy needs, would it not make sense that the French would want to somehow "pay back" South Africa for their investment? It would appear self-evident.

Now lets throw Rome into the picture. It is a given that Paris will try to host the games in 2024. Not a maybe. A given. How they lost to London for 2016 is beyond me but anyway... it is highly unlikely that they will bid for 2020. So if Rome were to win the 2020 bid per se, and Paris won the 2024 bid, then that would mean 2 European Olympics in a row and 3 out of the past 4 with Brazil being the only exception. There is no way the IOC will let Europe monopolise the games to that extent and therefore it would appear logical that the French in particular would not support a Rome bid for 2020 as they would know it would kill their bid for 2024. So who does their vote swing towards and who else do they drag with them? The only reason I can see them going for Istanbul is due to proximity as for the 2010 world cup some European countries wanted Morocco to host it as it was far more convenient to get there. Maybe they will consider the same logic again though I find it unlikely that this would be the definitive aspect.

In summation, I think this thread would be a lot more productive if everyone stopped focusing solely on what arenas are going to be built and what city has the best airport or tallest building etc. and considered that there are many many more factors to consider than a bunch of pretty drawings and "mine's bigger than yours" talk.

Are we a little bit French-centric?

Your attitude (and the one of your compatriots) shall help you understand better why Paris lost 2012 (not 2016, you are mistaken even on that)

I do not comment on the tons of nonsense in the entire post

My apologies Edward indeed 2012. Silly mistake. Being "French-centric" is a misnomer. Yes I was pieved that London won despite most evidence suggesting their successful bid was based more on the politics of Sebastian Cole and Gordon Brown and Paris losing due to the supposed indifference of its political elite. Though I am not French so that is not a correct observation. Vis-a-vis your "I do not comment on the tons of nonsense in your post"... Well not to be pedantic but that is a comment and moreover it would be fantastic if you did because as of this juncture when you do comment you succeed merely in highlighting your own ignorance ergo I urge you to express your opinion so that I nay interpret it with the simultaneous pleasure of both humour and derision.

Why is Cape Town Western Cape South Africa not bidding for the 2020 Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games?

We wont be ready by 2020 to do it nor other cities in South Africa Johannesburg, Durban or Port Elizabeth. I made some trips to those cites Cape Town infrastructure beats the other Cities we got the most Hotel Rooms in the Whole of Africa. The Tourism industry in the Western Cape is set to boom. South Africa tourism gets 9.1 Million International Visit every year and by 2020 it will be forecast by the Ministry of Tourism in South Africa to be 20 Million international visit.

Cape Town will be the first city in Africa to host the Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games. We are now looking to bid for the 2028 Games. By 2014 we will have 70% of the Venus in place to host the games we are aiming to have 85% by 2020.

Cape Town is the leading city for Sport's and Tourism in Africa we are the most visited city in Africa.

We are working on the Transport and Road systems and will be up for the IOC requirements for the host city by 2026. The Transport is the biggest issue for Cape Town but we still ahead of the other cities in Africa.

South Africa is the superpower of Africa but we still need to do lot's of work to get the Olympics and Paralympics Games. The earliest that we can get the Olympics and Paralympics Games is 2028. Cape Town will be the first Place in Africa to get the Games.

Durban can host the Commonwealth Games maybe in 2026 or 2030. But leave Cape Town to host the Olympics and Paralympics Games. We are the most capable city in Africa to do it.

Cape Town 2028.

^^ LOL, welcome back we were wondering what happened to you and ya trolling ways.

Mathew, you are in CT? let's meet?

My apologies Edward indeed 2012. Silly mistake. Being "French-centric" is a misnomer. Yes I was pieved that London won despite most evidence suggesting their successful bid was based more on the politics of Sebastian Cole and Gordon Brown

:lol:

I assume you mean Sebastian Coe and Tony Blair, but never mind.

London's successful bid won partly because of IOC politics of course, partly because London put forward a much better presentation than any of the other bids on the final day (did you watch Paris' snorefest?!), partly because of what London was offering the IOC (a brand new 500 acre Olympic Park in the centre of one of the world's great cities - a multi-billion pound investment spurred by Olympic sport), partly because the legacy was to give London a new athletics facility, partly because it boosted the IOC's ego to see a huge area of industrial wasteland cleared up because of them and a new city district created (they love that kind of thing in Lausanne), partly because on top of the shiny new park London promised an Olympics utilisinig venues like Wembley, Wimbledon, the O2, Lords, partly because of the promise to reach out to a new generation and inspire Olympism amongst young people around the world (google 'International Inspiration' to see how this is being realised)

I could go on and on and on.....London's bid was VERY good and won on its own merits, and the city is proving to the IOC right now what a good decision they made. Everything being built well on time, upper limits of sponsorship estimates exceeded, the promised Olympic Park looking good already a year out etc etc. The biggest argument so far has been about legacy, not deliverance, which makes a refreshing change after Athens, for example, which was a real rush and other international sporting events like last year's CWGs.

I'm not saying Paris' bid wasn't very good either because it was, but there were three excellent bids in that race and only one could win. You do London's bid a great disservice by claiming our success was only down to politics, as if that's the only conceivable way Paris could have lost! To say "how Paris lost to London for 2012 is beyond me" shows to me you didn't really follow this race closely. And furthermore, the fact that you got the names of both our bid leader and PM wrong suggests you don't know half as much as you pretend to on this subject. Or, to quote your last post - "when you do comment you succeed merely in highlighting your own ignorance". :D

Anyway, back on topic; the 2012 race was six years ago after all...

One would think that an Olympic bid from Japan is at best unlikely now, and the last thing on their minds at the moment, espeically given that the deadline for applications is 1st September.

One would think that an Olympic bid from Japan is at best unlikely now, and the last thing on their minds at the moment, espeically given that the deadline for applications is 1st September.

Indeed ! :( (not to mention their Olympic stadium which is planned to be built on a reclaimed area... :D.. Ok, sorry, it's not funny..)


Anyway, I start to believe that Paris could have a real chance for 2020...

2020 is too early for Paris :D

It's been while but i'm back now been super busy in the past mouths my last post was about why Cape Town not bidding for the 2020 Games.

For the 2020 Race is see it a race up against Toronto Canada and Busan South Korea. Busan Korea was the host of the 2002 Asian Games and Toronto is hosting the 2015 Pan American Games Toronto mayor Rob Ford Policy is to build up Toronto Transport systems and make the the city capable for the Games. Toronto is the only city in North America bidding for the games in 2020. They are at an advantage because the games have not been to North America since 1996 in Atlanta.

Why Busan?
Busan is the fifth busiest seaport in the world
Busan was the host city of the 2002 Asian Games and APEC 2005 Korea. It was also one of the host cities for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, and is a center for international conventions in Korea. On November 14, 2005, the city officially announced its bid to host the 2020 Summer Olympics Games.
Busan is home to the world's largest department store, the Shinsegae Centum City and is pursuing a large number of multi-skyscraper projects.

Iver Busan South Korea or Toronto Canada. But I think the IOC will give it to Toronto Canada get the Games back to North America after 24 years.

Busan toronto??? Did i miss anything??? When they decide to race for 20?

Toronto is extremely unlikely to bid for the Olympics anytime soon. There seems to be very little support for it within the city itself and on a national level, the priority seems to be Winter Olympics 2022 or 2026 for Quebec City.

I still feel either Rome or Istanbul has strongest chances, thats all :)

Toronto is extremely unlikely to bid for the Olympics anytime soon. There seems to be very little support for it within the city itself and on a national level, the priority seems to be Winter Olympics 2022 or 2026 for Quebec City.

It appears to be Quebec only wanting that Olympics for 2022. Assuming they get the support of the COC, the government etc, and bid using their own money, then I suppose.

I think Dubai can make an awesome bid for the 2020 games ...it would become a poweful boost for the region knowing the Qatar just won the world cup

I still feel either Rome or Istanbul has strongest chances, thats all :)

Same here I think Istanbul 2020 a muslim asian european games. :)

Why Busan?
Busan is the fifth busiest seaport in the world
Busan was the host city of the 2002 Asian Games and APEC 2005 Korea. It was also one of the host cities for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, and is a center for international conventions in Korea. On November 14, 2005, the city officially announced its bid to host the 2020 Summer Olympics Games.
Busan is home to the world's largest department store, the Shinsegae Centum City and is pursuing a large number of multi-skyscraper projects.

Iver Busan South Korea or Toronto Canada. But I think the IOC will give it to Toronto Canada get the Games back to North America after 24 years.

Busan? R u crazy? South Korea is concentrating all its efforts on PyongChang's 2018 bid. They have as much as 33.4% chance to win it. When they do, that automatically kills Busan or ANY OTHER Northeast Asian bid for the next 10 years at least. Which makes 2028 the next best chance for another Asian bid.

Similarly, Toronto? Canada just hostede Vancouver 2010? They're certainly NOT going to get 2020!! Whakindda Koolaid have you been drinking? :ohno:

Forget Vancouver 2010 for a moment. Toronto won't get 2020 for all the absurdities mentioned before, if they weren't currently set to host the 2015 Pan American games, then I would respect any bid for 2020. But since they are, and are making no indication of what venue the Pan American or Olympic Stadium would be (which would surely be a separate venue setup as opposed to an upgrade deal), then no for Toronto 2020.

Hmm a bit full schedule for istanbul following years
2012 european capital of sports
2012 iaaf world indoor athletics champ
2012 fiNa short course world champ
2011-2013 wta sony ericsson Cup
And annual f1 , motoGP, Fia world touring car, GP2 world champ, le mans world series, f1 boatrace istanbul. ..

And now 2014 women World basketball champ is on its way too
Good good. Nice timings also

+ hosting TA Euroleague Final four in 2013.

Now with Istanbul hosting the games yes I think it will be the next city in Europe after London to host the games. Istanbul will need to improve their Transport to host the Games but I think 2028 Games at the earliest.


Toronto is having a lot going for it for 2020. They are hosting the 2015 Pan American Games. The only problem that they were having is at one venue / city Hamilton. Now they got that problem gone Rob Ford is doing a good job with planning for the Olympic bid. 2015-2020 5 years is enough time to build the venues needed for the Olympics which is not much work for Toronto.

Africa is not ready for 2020 Games. Durban no chance If a bid City hosting the IOC meeting that will Work against them like it did for Moscow 2001 IOC meeting 2012 Olympic bid. A city like Durban is not ok to handle the Olympic and Paralympics Games. They could host the Commonwealth Games in Durban their is only one City in Africa that is Capable of hosting the Games and that's is Cape Town Western Cape South Africa and even Cape Town is not ready yet but we will be ready by 2028 to host the Games. After Cape Town I Can see it of going to Nairobi Kenya the 2nd City in Africa to host the Games.

Matthew - You and that French nutter from Lille are the official international forum trolls.

Thanks for your effort in extolling the greatness of Cape Town, but frankly if you had been around in the SA forum for the last year, you would see why it is that Durban is the better candidate,which has been discussed of 30 pages worth, and be like the rest of us true Saffers, and back the bid based on our nation winning, not any particular city.
Cape Town will get some other more suitable event. CT doesnt have a brand new glossy architecturally stunning atletics stadium within a designated Sports Precinct slap bang on the beach - Durban does already. Simples

Matthew - You and that French nutter from Lille are the official international forum trolls.

Thanks for your effort in extolling the greatness of Cape Town, but frankly if you had been around in the SA forum for the last year, you would see why it is that Durban is the better candidate,which has been discussed of 30 pages worth, and be like the rest of us true Saffers, and back the bid based on our nation winning, not any particular city.
Cape Town will get some other more suitable event. CT doesnt have a brand new glossy architecturally stunning atletics stadium within a designated Sports Precinct slap bang on the beach - Durban does already. Simples

Well Marsupalami by 2020 Cape Town will 85% of the Venues in place for the Olympics. In January and February this Year I done some work in Durban, Johannesburg, Port Elizabeth and Cape Town. My Assignment was Who would be the best City in South Africa to host the Olympics. Durban comed 3rd place they are lacking on Hotel Rooms, Transport and is one of the most Violent Cities in the Country. Port Elizabeth was 4th place and Johannesburg was 2nd and Cape Town is 1st. Cape Twon is Africa's Leading City for Sport's and is Africa's most visited city. Cape Town comed 3rd place in the 2004 Bid race.

Cape Town will be the 1st City in Africa to host the Olympics and Paralympics Games we are bidding for the 2028 Games. Durban can host the Commonwealth Games not the Olympic and Paralympics Games Durban is too small for the Games.

Matthew you are full of shit anyways, make yaself out to be some big shot town planner and I actually saw you on facebook in the Rio fan page telling them that they were the worst organised committee as they had not brought out the Paralympics logo yet. What was more funny was your profile pic, you were either 2 of the nerdy teenage looking dudes lol.

I agree, so what if Cape Town is bidding for 2028? Durban clearly put it's hand up want wants to bid for 2020, if they win, well that's another question. But if they do, then that easily eliminates a Cape Town Olympics for decades to come.

Simply put, if Cape Town is the ideal choice for a South African Olympics, then why not put your hands up now? We've only seen Durban do such things and they're the likeliest to bid.

Do you think Tokyo is planning its bid after the terrible earthquake?

Given that the deadline for expressions of interest is September, I think it extremely unlikely.

Cape Town is not bidding Matthew, get over it.

Rio winning 2016 seems to send alot of posuitive signals that Durban would have a good chance, both used existing stadiums with 60K capacities and both have high crime rates.

Matthew you are full of shit anyways, make yaself out to be some big shot town planner and I actually saw you on facebook in the Rio fan page telling them that they were the worst organised committee as they had not brought out the Paralympics logo yet. What was more funny was your profile pic, you were either 2 of the nerdy teenage looking dudes lol.

well said! lol
THe fact that Matthews love love loves Cape Town is adorable - I am from there, and it is an amazing place - lemme tell you!
The fact has excaped him that the city is pragmatic, and wants to concentrate on its mass transport system and housing solutions as well as heathcare and creating jobs and investment, and growing its CDB and attracting certain key financial and creative industries etc
They have looked long and hard and wont make a bid soon - we just have to deal with that I guess.
Its the same as say San Francisco, its amazing, but they have never/ dont want an olympics even though it would be kick-ass - its just they way its gotta be.
Durban will benefit much more from it, and will have a high speed rail connection to the heatrtland of SA - Joburg - by then, so bums on chairs might be more assured than Cape Town due to its relative distance away from other SA cities, as well as anywhere else on the globe for that matter.
He should trust in the collective wisdom of majority of the SA forumers who are happy with Durban as the candidate.

Do you think Tokyo is planning its bid after the terrible earthquake?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the right time for Hiroshima to make a bid, based of course on the fact that the southern part of Japan is mostly left undamaged by the earthquake.

It would commemorate the 75th anniversary of the dropping of the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima.

It would also celebrate 40 years since Hiroshima becoming a designated city and if successful, be the highlight of the Mayors for Peace 2020 Vision Campaign.

The Olympics could be held on the 7th of August (the day after the first bomb was dropped with ceremonies on Friday evening), running for 17 days ending on the 23rd (a Sunday), with the Paralympics starting on the 2nd of September (the day Japan surrendered, signaling the end of World War 2), running for 12 days ending on the 13th (a Sunday).

Hiroshima would actually be pretty sweet ! - i guess it will lend poignancy and reflection to the Olympics, and allow us to celebrate revival and fighting spirit through sports.

Why isn't Toronto an option? Isn't it bidding?

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the right time for Hiroshima to make a bid, based of course on the fact that the southern part of Japan is mostly left undamaged by the earthquake.

It would commemorate the 75th anniversary of the dropping of the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima.

Well, it's a symbolic gesture but - and call me shallow and superficial if you like - the ocean of Durban, or the lights of Tokyo, or the history and architecture of Rome have far more appeal to me, and no doubt would for most of the IOC as well.

Beyond this, is it even appropriate? Fireworks in Hiroshima 75 years to the day after the bomb - that would put me off voting for the city if I were an IOC member. It seems almost grotesque actually. And besides, the IOC prefer to focus on the future these days rather than dwell on the past; Hiroshima's core message so far seems almost opposite to the kind of messages places like Rio and Beijing were focussing on.

Exclusive: Casablanca could bid for 2020 Olympics

March 20 - Casablanca could be set to launch a bid for the 2020 Olympics and Paralympics, Morocco's Sports Minister Moncef Belkhayat has revealed.

The country's largest city, with a population of three million, has long been touted as a possible candidate to be the first in Africa to host the Games.

Belkhayat has now confirmed that serious planning has already taken place about a possible bid.

"Morocco has committed itself to becoming a great sport nation that stages great sporting events," Belkhayat said during the Africa International Sports Convention (CISA) here.

"Casablanca has a very good chance of positioning itself as a great sports city and organising the Olympic Games.

"One day Casablanca will be organising the Olympic Games."

Belkhayat refused to commit Morocco to a bid for the 2020 Games but left the possibility very much open.

"We will bid for the Olympics soon - whether that it is 2020, 2024 or 2028," he said.

National Olympic Committees (NOCs) have until May 16 to let the International Olympic Committee (IOC) if they are interested in bidding with a final deadline of September 1 to name an applicant city.

Work has already started on a new $300 million (£185 million) state-of-the-art stadium in Casablanca to host the final of the 2015 African Nations Cup, which Morocco was awarded earlier this year.

The Grand Stade de Casablanca is being built in an old quarry and will feature passive solar design with concrete fin-like blades that promote natural ventilation.

Casablanca_Stadfium
Construction on the 80,000 seat stadium is expected to begin shortly and then be completed some time in 2013.

The new stadium is due to replace the Stade Mohamed V, which hosted the 1983 Mediterranean Games.

Belkhayat, a former senior executive with Olympic sponsors Proctor & Gamble before entering politics, wants Morocco to try to host more major events.

They bid for the 2010 FIFA World Cup, losing by only four votes to South Africa.

If Morocco does decide to put forward Casablanca, which is located on the Atlantic Ocean, for the 2020 Olympics then South Africa could again pose an obstacle.

Durban are widely expected to put in a bid but Sam Ramsamy, the South African who is a member of the IOC's ruling Executive Board, said here that if Africa decides to bid for 2020 then the whole continent should get behind one candidate.

Belkhayat, who replaced International Olympic Committee member Nawal El Moutawakel as Morocco's Sports Minister in July 2009, has a big vision for Morocco.

"The sky is the limit," he said.

http://insidethegames.biz/summer-olympics/2020/12285-exclusive-casablanca-could-bid-for-2020-olympics

CASABLANCA - Grand Stadium (80,000) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1091125&page=7) winner for construction will be designed on april, 2011

Stadium will be ready for Afican Cup of Nations 2015

Stadium in Casablanca: Architects shortlisted

The Admission Committee of applications for prequalification of architectural firms expected to achieve the design stage of the Grand Casablanca met Monday, January 17 at the headquarters of the Sonarges in Casablanca.
The screening phase should lead to the screening of seven firms. As a reminder, the Grand Casablanca stadium will be erected in the town of Lahraouyine on a land area of over 64 ha.
It will host events for football, rugby and athletics. It will have a 400m track lanes at 9 and will also host shows. Its capacity will be 80,000 seats with 100 boxes and 8,000 seats in business and reception rooms

System for stand up track (like Stade de France) :

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7672/3346360021fda93a0146o.gif (http://img687.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3346360021fda93a0146o.gif)

Why isn't Toronto an option? Isn't it bidding?

Yes Toronto is bidding the Canadian Olympic Committee been working on the bid for 2020 since 2007. Toronto can win 2020 because no games been in North America for 24 Years.

Toronto Canada needs to be added to the poll.

http://insidethegames.biz/summer-olympics/2020/12285-exclusive-casablanca-could-bid-for-2020-olympics

CASABLANCA - Grand Stadium (80,000) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1091125&page=7) winner for construction will be designed on april, 2011

Stadium will be ready for Afican Cup of Nations 2015



System for stand up track (like Stade de France) :

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7672/3346360021fda93a0146o.gif (http://img687.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3346360021fda93a0146o.gif)

Dear Rabat....

Rio winning 2016 seems to send alot of posuitive signals that Durban would have a good chance, both used existing stadiums with 60K capacities and both have high crime rates.

The city's new Moses Mabhida Stadium, built for the World Cup, can be easily converted into an 85 000 seater athletics venue

http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/original700/moses-mabhida-2011-1-9-10-10-10.jpg

Its about time the IOC starts looking elsewhere instead of the typical europe....durban or any city morocco chooses should be the first cities in africa to host it....look at 2010 world cup it was splendid....although i wished cape town had a bid :bash:

Confirmation of the inevitable: :(

Tokyo will bow out of a bid for the 2020 Olympic Games allowing Japan to fully focus on rebuilding efforts to recover from the devastating earthquake and tsunami earlier this month, according to reports.

On Sunday, the Japanese Ambassador to Italy told International Olympic Committee (IOC) Vice President Mario Pescante that a bid would not move forward.

Pescante, in an interview on Italian radio said "the Japanese Ambassador was with me at the start of the Rome Marathon and told me with great regret that his country could not continue with Tokyo's bid."

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/1216135620.html

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I really hope Japan feels it's in a position to bid for 2024. In the meantime, they've got far more important things to be dealing with and they deserve all our thoughts as they rebuild their nation.

So, it's definetely gonna be Istanbul!

Hiroshima would actually be pretty sweet ! - i guess it will lend poignancy and reflection to the Olympics, and allow us to celebrate revival and fighting spirit through sports.

I think there better chance that Sendai will apply for Olympics than Hiroshima.
Hiroshima is famous of having no money.

Their Baseball team were the last of the pro clubs in Japan to be modernised because of no money in city, The football club has fought for years for a new stadium without success.

Besides Hiroshima has with Kitakyushu the worst public transportation system compared to the other older designated cities.

So, it's definetely gonna be Istanbul!

There is even Rome, don't forget ;)

I know,but Greece already gave officially its support to Istanbul!:)

Wow who let nutter out of his padded cell?

Toronto is not a slam dunk just because "north america is due" Matt

Toronto, New York, and Chicago have all failed in recent years, and until they address the reasons why north america keeps falling at the final hurdle, they will keep failing.

Sad decision on Tokyo, but inevitable