Jim, I would respect what you want to say only IF YOU PROVIDED A REASON.

I am trying to provide a reason. No one can let the Summer Olympics be devalued like this. The ceremonies outside the Olympics situation is fine for conntinental multi-sport events other than the Olympics, such as the Pan Ams.

agree with JIM..

Hoping Rome.

Hoping Rome.

:nuts: hope too

Oh lord, were already getting multis.

Oh lord, were already getting multis.

:lol: 2018&2022WC bidding all over again :nuts:

Anyways, I hope this thread will take a more "professional" route.

I hope the bidding won't be rigged.

Hopefully the IOC wont be enticed like FIFA was with oil money.

I mean no offense but I was wondering why people are so interested in successful bids from either Madrid or Rome? Especially considering both countries are deep in debt... Surely people would consider Baku, Istanbul, or even Doha more suitable options based on their economical stability?

..because they're both major European capitals which would host superb Olympics maybe? Economic stability helps but it isn't the be-all and end-all. I can certainly see why some people would favour them.

(This is a general question.)

What kind of Olympic cities need a Media Village? The Rio de Janeiro is building a media village before their Olympics, and I don't think London is building a media village before their Olympics next year.

Do you mean the IBC?MPC? If so, London is building one. I think its completed already too.

No, its a different facility than the Main Press Centre/International Broadcast Centre.

(This is a general question.)

What kind of Olympic cities need a Media Village? The Rio de Janeiro is building a media village before their Olympics, and I don't think London is building a media village before their Olympics next year.

That answer is simple. A city lacking in hotel numbers (or want to give the Media the same accommodation experience as the athletes and officials).

Take say a future bid from Melbourne or Brisbane, we'd be best to propose a Media Village (full capacity or less) to accommodate most of the Media, or else propose an ambitious hotel construction project that we don't really need (though cruise ships could help in accommodation problems).

The village would be turned into private housing post Olympics, much like the Media Village.

Sydney didn't have a Media Village since it proposed a much needed hotel construction project alongside the use of cruise ships to make up for accommodation shortfall.

its been a long silence. no projects no plans nothing new yet announced ...and this makes people more and more wondering.
still we have 4 runner ups. and it will be a photofinish. Istanbul Madrid Rome and Tokyo any of these can get 2020.
i never saw an olympic race like this before ..

I wanna go to Istanbul! Istanbul 2020!

Why does europe get the olympics so much? Here's hoping this one goes to Tokyo.

its been a long silence. no projects no plans nothing new yet announced ...and this makes people more and more wondering.
still we have 4 runner ups. and it will be a photofinish. Istanbul Madrid Rome and Tokyo any of these can get 2020.
i never saw an olympic race like this before ..

2012?

Why does europe get the olympics so much? Here's hoping this one goes to Tokyo.

The so-called IOC is packed with Europeans. Although the continent is small, it is full of the most developed and wealthiest individual countries so they can get away with this. (Imagine how many times North America would get the games if California and Texas and New York had individual delegations.)

Plus, I think this large European delegation views the Olympics, which started in Greece after all, as a fundamentally European thing - a gift from them to the world. From their perspective, they must bemoan the fact that some Olympics aren't held in Europe. But they accept it as a financial necessity. They spread the Olympics around only just enough to deny the world's impression of European favoritism.

I mean, what else are we to take from the fact that London has been selected 4 times for the Summer games?

The so-called IOC is packed with Europeans. Although the continent is small, it is full of the most developed and wealthiest individual countries so they can get away with this. (Imagine how many times North America would get the games if California and Texas and New York had individual delegations.)

Plus, I think this large European delegation views the Olympics, which started in Greece after all, as a fundamentally European thing - a gift from them to the world. From their perspective, they must bemoan the fact that some Olympics aren't held in Europe. But they accept it as a financial necessity. They spread the Olympics around only just enough to deny the world's impression of European favoritism.

I mean, what else are we to take from the fact that London has been selected 4 times for the Summer games?

It's actually 3 not 4 times. The overrepresentation of European cities is largely down to early years before WWII when it virtually was just a Western event and non European and North-American cities didn't even bother bid. In the post-war era there has been a marked reduction: 5 European hosts out 13 during the past 50 odd years (or 6 out of 15 if you include the next two Games).

That being said I hope there are even fewer European hosts over the next 50 years.

Why would Europe win again, especially Western Europe, after 2012? Surely it will to back to Asia. That gives Tokyo or even Istanbul (which is half in Asia) a better chance IMO.

I'm against it going back to W. Europe so soon. I'd prefer Tokyo just because that country needs a boost, and it is a city that needs to be redesigned around the focus of environmental conservation, better urban design, etc. (I hope they have a great legacy in their plan), but I feel that Istanbul will be the one just b/c all those goons love the new, rising countries. Still, after the quake, Japan might have a chance to gain some interest as a world gesture to help Japan rebuild it's confidence. I doubt it though, and feel that Istabul and the fact that it is islamic has the best chance. Actually, in my mind, it is nearly a done deal for them.

Doha no, I think they wait for Dubai b/c Dubai could do a more interesting games IMO.

I'm sickened that NYC, the only alpha+ city to never have hosted, is not interested in bidding.

It is an outrage that one of the most important and famous and rich cities in the world has never hosted. I predict NYC will be in line to get it sooner or later just because no other city in the US really has the prestige (SFO? a small city on a rock, Boston? A little provincial town). NYC should get it in 2024. By then the rebuild from 9/11 should be complete and the world will recognize a fully recovered NYC that is now focused on environmental conservation and quality of life issues. The transportation improvements and urban space improvements from a good bid would be astounding for that city if they play their cards right. NYC 2024!!

2012?

paris and london were clearly the fav. in the race that time

Why would Europe win again, especially Western Europe, after 2012? Surely it will to back to Asia. That gives Tokyo or even Istanbul (which is half in Asia) a better chance IMO.

I'm against it going back to W. Europe so soon. I'd prefer Tokyo just because that country needs a boost, and it is a city that needs to be redesigned around the focus of environmental conservation, better urban design, etc. (I hope they have a great legacy in their plan), but I feel that Istanbul will be the one just b/c all those goons love the new, rising countries. Still, after the quake, Japan might have a chance to gain some interest as a world gesture to help Japan rebuild it's confidence. I doubt it though, and feel that Istabul and the fact that it is islamic has the best chance. Actually, in my mind, it is nearly a done deal for them.

Doha no, I think they wait for Dubai b/c Dubai could do a more interesting games IMO.

I'm sickened that NYC, the only alpha+ city to never have hosted, is not interested in bidding.

It is an outrage that one of the most important and famous and rich cities in the world has never hosted. I predict NYC will be in line to get it sooner or later just because no other city in the US really has the prestige (SFO? a small city on a rock, Boston? A little provincial town). NYC should get it in 2024. By then the rebuild from 9/11 should be complete and the world will recognize a fully recovered NYC that is now focused on environmental conservation and quality of life issues. The transportation improvements and urban space improvements from a good bid would be astounding for that city if they play their cards right. NYC 2024!!

Istanbul city is area in &65 Europe &35 Asia.

Why would Europe win again, especially Western Europe, after 2012? Surely it will to back to Asia. That gives Tokyo or even Istanbul (which is half in Asia) a better chance IMO.

I'm against it going back to W. Europe so soon. I'd prefer Tokyo just because that country needs a boost, and it is a city that needs to be redesigned around the focus of environmental conservation, better urban design, etc. (I hope they have a great legacy in their plan), but I feel that Istanbul will be the one just b/c all those goons love the new, rising countries. Still, after the quake, Japan might have a chance to gain some interest as a world gesture to help Japan rebuild it's confidence. I doubt it though, and feel that Istabul and the fact that it is islamic has the best chance. Actually, in my mind, it is nearly a done deal for them.

Doha no, I think they wait for Dubai b/c Dubai could do a more interesting games IMO.

I'm sickened that NYC, the only alpha+ city to never have hosted, is not interested in bidding.

It is an outrage that one of the most important and famous and rich cities in the world has never hosted. I predict NYC will be in line to get it sooner or later just because no other city in the US really has the prestige (SFO? a small city on a rock, Boston? A little provincial town). NYC should get it in 2024. By then the rebuild from 9/11 should be complete and the world will recognize a fully recovered NYC that is now focused on environmental conservation and quality of life issues. The transportation improvements and urban space improvements from a good bid would be astounding for that city if they play their cards right. NYC 2024!!

It's not that much of an outrage. NYC has only bid once.

The elephant in the room for NYC will always be the stadium issue. It's what ultimately killed their 2012 bid, and I don't know what solution they'd come up with for a 2024 bid. The US isn't going to build a massive track and field stadium for the sake of it like Beijing did, things don't work like that over there. And haven't their football teams recently moved into a new stadium?

So, who would the tenant be?

That probably leaves a plan a lot like Chicago's or London's with a mostly temporary stadium.

The problem with NYC now is where the main stadium would be located let alone if it really needs such a major stadium.

I'd say the Meadowlands Sports Complex but that's technically in New Jersey and would be a mute location for the bid.

Staten Island has plenty of space for a potential downsized Athletics facility but there's limited options in getting there and would probably cause a bottle neck traffic wise.

Perhaps the IOC would be kind enough to let NYC slip through if the bid was marketed as New York Region? Using Meadowlands as the site of a new stadium? Nearby the Athlete's Village? Aquatics Center? Velodrome?

Do you know NY?

There are countless blighted zones such as old rail yards and industrial areas that could be converted into a new London style Olympic park. The legacy would be astounding, and would help NY clean up and redevelop these ugly and toxic areas just as London is doing.

I.e, the very large Sunnyside rail yards in Queens (a platform covering the rails could house a stadium, park and village housing + new rail station given its location on a main line), the area of toxic canals/industrial areas between Queens/Brooklyn, the area near Laguardia that is planned for redevelopment, etc. I'm sure there are blighted parts of the Bronx too that could be redeveloped.

NJ would not work, because the legacy would have to benefit NYC directly and Staten Island would not work due to location. A temporary stadium would be ideal, and could be converted/downsized into an MLS soccer stadium for a potential future NYC MLS team which is likely to happen at some point in the future.

For the US, other than NYC, I could only see SFO or DC. Chicago is not going to bid again IMO and LA has had it before.

Out of those 2, NYC has the most prestige and weight and has less NIMBY issues than SFO.

That would be brilliant if NYC could come up with something like London. I'd definitely support that bid!

I thought NYC already had an MLS team and haven't they just built a proper football stadium? The Red Bulls? Or have I got confused?

Yes, the Red Bulls are supposed to be the NYC team, but they are based near Newark in a formerly blighted area in NJ. However, the fan support leaves a lot to be desired. There is a strong interest and desire to have another MLS team placed in NYC itself to create a rivalry and derby atmosphere when they meet. Queens is the immigrant area of NYC and would be a good place for such a stadium and the current thought is putting any future stadium in flushing meadows near the baseball stadium. That is where they wanted to build the olympic stadium before. I think that is a wasted opportunity, but they could always redevelop other areas for the velodrome, village and aquatic center if they placed a temp. stadium there.

I have no idea if NYC would ever do something as amazing as London's new park due to funding issues and the lack of interest in doing major projects recently in the US, but the potential is there for many old industrial areas to be revitalized and the Queens rail yards of course if the climate every changes.

Do you know NY?

There are countless blighted zones such as old rail yards and industrial areas that could be converted into a new London style Olympic park. The legacy would be astounding, and would help NY clean up and redevelop these ugly and toxic areas just as London is doing.

I.e, the very large Sunnyside rail yards in Queens (a platform covering the rails could house a stadium, park and village housing + new rail station given its location on a main line), the area of toxic canals/industrial areas between Queens/Brooklyn, the area near Laguardia that is planned for redevelopment, etc. I'm sure there are blighted parts of the Bronx too that could be redeveloped.

NJ would not work, because the legacy would have to benefit NYC directly and Staten Island would not work due to location. A temporary stadium would be ideal, and could be converted/downsized into an MLS soccer stadium for a potential future NYC MLS team which is likely to happen at some point in the future.

For the US, other than NYC, I could only see SFO or DC. Chicago is not going to bid again IMO and LA has had it before.

Out of those 2, NYC has the most prestige and weight and has less NIMBY issues than SFO.

Love the idea .. and a great idea about the MLS stadia after olympics .. just like atlanta did after their games in 96 .. they downsized it to a Baseball stadium

^^ Atlanta was a terrible idea. It was the Centennial Olympics for crying out loud.

Okay, so they didn't need a long term legacy for a large stadium or even downsized athletics venue and it was a great opportunity to have a new home for the Braves. But surely they could have done a hybrid of Montreal's approach?

A stadium which was mostly symmetrical from the outside and inside, converted to Baseball mode via alteration of first tier seating and removing some from the outer field. Rather than one that was already configured for Baseball, needing only to demolish the "athletics" part and putting in the rest of the Baseball field.

Therefore, we'd have a stadium which remains as is on the outside, only having been altered post Olympics in the inside.

This won't help the underdog's chances and if proven true - especially if ministerial involvement is proven - will kill them off completely:

BBC Newsnight has uncovered evidence of secret payments of millions of dollars from Azerbaijan to international boxing organisation World Series Boxing (WSB).

Whistleblowers say that WSB's chief claimed the money was in return for a guarantee that Azerbaijani fighters would win two boxing gold medals at the London 2012 Olympics.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15020658

Interesting...

With the six bidding cities I can see 3 real possible cities getting the games.

Most likely

Rome Italy- Host city of the 1960 Olympics and Paralympics Games was the red hot favourite to host the 2004 Summer Olympics and was the first time that they bid since they hosted the Olympics Geopolitics in Europe its that area turn next what they are planning on a Youtube Video I seen all of the events in one area in Rome and really compact Bid plan.

Tokyo Japan- Really good plan in the 2016 Olympics Bid if they will use that plan again and use the area which was affected by the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami and rebuild that area it will be a big selling point to the IOC, The Economy of Japan is doing well and hosted the 1964 Summer Olympics.

Istanbul Turkey Turkey has a booming economy Istanbul could sell a selling point to the IOC the city and games on two continents and First Olympics in the Muslim World.
I do have some issues with Istanbul hosting the games I am not anti Turkey Bid I would love for Turkey to host the games.

Those Issues are Turkey is going for Both World Expo and the Summer Olympics Games I think they will have to decide on one and go for it.

Transportation issues its very hard to get around Istanbul and they will need to work really hard to transport to get the games.

Security the War and conflict going on in Turkey neighbours and border Iran as well how is Turkey going to address the Issues to provide a safe Games I know Istanbul is in a safe party of the country but that can change.

So manly Transport and Security are my major issues with the Turkey Bid.

Less likely.

Madrid Spain - The Economy of Spain is very week got the highest Youth unemployment rate in Europe and even some people was not happy with the cost of hosting the 2011 World Youth Day, Geopolitics in Europe for Summer it won't be there turn until the games go to Central and Eastern Europe had there turn Spain will have more luck with an Winter Olympics Bid for Barcelona because no Winter Olympics been to western Europe before and Barcelona a World Class city next to some world class ski resorts.

Doha Qatar - When they hosted the 2006 Asian Games they did not have enough room even for the Athletes with the 2011 Asian Soccer/Football World Cup final the ticket holders was not allowed to go in after FIFA gave them the 2022 FIFA World Cup I don't even think the IOC will give the games to Qatar after what is FIFA going thought right now, The FIFA World Cup will cost Qatar 70 billion dollars which will bankrupt them they only have 1.7 million people 3 million by 2020 but its not possible for Qatar to host both in 2 years of each other, They got issues with Israel no one is allowed to enter Qatar if they got an Israel stamp on there passport and no one from Israel is allowed to enter Qatar, Qatar is only 1 of 3 countries which never sent an female athlete the the games and Homosexually is forbidden in the country which totally goes against the IOC agenda on promoting Social Equality

Baku Azerbaijan – Baku lacks infrastructure and sporting history and the Azerbaijan country economy is still small and still at War with Armenia.

I think the city that will host the 2020 Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games will be Rome Italy.

Baku Azerbaijan – Baku lacks infrastructure and sporting history and the Azerbaijan country economy is still small and still at War with Armenia.
There is much prejudice and stereotypes about Baku. Please check this http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=84112748#post84112748 , see the current trend and imagine this city in 2020 ;)

With the six bidding cities I can see 3 real possible cities getting the games.

Most likely

Rome Italy- Host city of the 1960 Olympics and Paralympics Games was the red hot favourite to host the 2004 Summer Olympics and was the first time that they bid since they hosted the Olympics Geopolitics in Europe its that area turn next what they are planning on a Youtube Video I seen all of the events in one area in Rome and really compact Bid plan.

Tokyo Japan- Really good plan in the 2016 Olympics Bid if they will use that plan again and use the area which was affected by the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami and rebuild that area it will be a big selling point to the IOC, The Economy of Japan is doing well and hosted the 1964 Summer Olympics.

Istanbul Turkey Turkey has a booming economy Istanbul could sell a selling point to the IOC the city and games on two continents and First Olympics in the Muslim World.
I do have some issues with Istanbul hosting the games I am not anti Turkey Bid I would love for Turkey to host the games.

Those Issues are Turkey is going for Both World Expo and the Summer Olympics Games I think they will have to decide on one and go for it.

Transportation issues its very hard to get around Istanbul and they will need to work really hard to transport to get the games.

Security the War and conflict going on in Turkey neighbours and border Iran as well how is Turkey going to address the Issues to provide a safe Games I know Istanbul is in a safe party of the country but that can change.

So manly Transport and Security are my major issues with the Turkey Bid.

Less likely.

Madrid Spain - The Economy of Spain is very week got the highest Youth unemployment rate in Europe and even some people was not happy with the cost of hosting the 2011 World Youth Day, Geopolitics in Europe for Summer it won't be there turn until the games go to Central and Eastern Europe had there turn Spain will have more luck with an Winter Olympics Bid for Barcelona because no Winter Olympics been to western Europe before and Barcelona a World Class city next to some world class ski resorts.

Doha Qatar - When they hosted the 2006 Asian Games they did not have enough room even for the Athletes with the 2011 Asian Soccer/Football World Cup final the ticket holders was not allowed to go in after FIFA gave them the 2022 FIFA World Cup I don't even think the IOC will give the games to Qatar after what is FIFA going thought right now, The FIFA World Cup will cost Qatar 70 billion dollars which will bankrupt them they only have 1.7 million people 3 million by 2020 but its not possible for Qatar to host both in 2 years of each other, They got issues with Israel no one is allowed to enter Qatar if they got an Israel stamp on there passport and no one from Israel is allowed to enter Qatar, Qatar is only 1 of 3 countries which never sent an female athlete the the games and Homosexually is forbidden in the country which totally goes against the IOC agenda on promoting Social Equality

Baku Azerbaijan – Baku lacks infrastructure and sporting history and the Azerbaijan country economy is still small and still at War with Armenia.

I think the city that will host the 2020 Summer Olympics and Paralympics Games will be Rome Italy.

Italy had the 2006 WOG, IMHO it is too early for Italy! Rome and Tokyo (WOG in Japan 1998!) have to stuck back, the 2020 games must go to a country/city, which had never hosted a major sports event before: Istanbul!

I guess the Baku bid is a test for Azer, they have to bid 2-3 times before getting the games!
The spanish bid is ridicolous. Spain should spend the money to reduce the high debt and the unemployment!

Rome or Tokyo would be the logical choice.

There is much prejudice and stereotypes about Baku. Please check this http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=84112748#post84112748 , see the current trend and imagine this city in 2020 ;)

Don't get me wrong I love Baku and Azerbaijan it will be great to see the Summer Olympics Caucasus region they are hosting the 2014 Winter Olympics in the region in Sochi Russia. But I am a realistic person I would say 2028 at the earliest let the infrastructure projects fallow in and let the economy grow bigger then Baku will be a world class city by 2028.

Baku should be a world class city in 2020.

Their bid for 2020 will be dramatically different to that of their 2016 bid. It will offer more on the table now and propose much more to be built by 2020.

Being too soon after Sochi is merely a matter of opinion, but that shouldn't deny them the right to bid and bid well.

Armenia? Although technically still at war and definitely not recognized by each other, next year's Eurovision will determine if Armenians will compete at a prospective Olympics (despite the threats by their own government to strip them of citizenship if they are found to have visited Azerbaijan).

In the end it will end up simply as Armenians allowing to compete much as was the case for Cuba, Iran and North Korea in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics. All 3 nations don't have full diplomatic relations with the US but still competed.

The alternative. An Armenian Boycott. No big loss.

^^ +100. Armenia already took part in different competitions organised in Azerbaijan. Moreover, Armenian national boxing team confirmed their participation at World Boxing Championship 2011 to be held in Baku

Doha Qatar - When they hosted the 2006 Asian Games they did not have enough room even for the Athletes with the 2011 Asian Soccer/Football World Cup final the ticket holders was not allowed to go in after FIFA gave them the 2022 FIFA World Cup I don't even think the IOC will give the games to Qatar after what is FIFA going thought right now, The FIFA World Cup will cost Qatar 70 billion dollars which will bankrupt them they only have 1.7 million people 3 million by 2020 but its not possible for Qatar to host both in 2 years of each other, They got issues with Israel no one is allowed to enter Qatar if they got an Israel stamp on there passport and no one from Israel is allowed to enter Qatar, Qatar is only 1 of 3 countries which never sent an female athlete the the games and Homosexually is forbidden in the country which totally goes against the IOC agenda on promoting Social Equality


Although Qatar really unlikely to get 2020, saying Qatar will get bankrupt because of WC is absurb especially:

Qatar surpassed Luxembourg as the world’s richest nation in 2010 and is set to pull away with wealth that’s almost twice that of the U.S., latest estimates from the International Monetary Fund show.

The CHART OF THE DAY shows Qatar’s gross domestic product per capita at $88,221 in 2010, beating Luxembourg for the top spot, according to IMF data released Sept. 20. The figure may reach $111,963 by 2016, surpassing Luxembourg’s $94,621 and Singapore’s $70,992, the IMF said. U.S. GDP per capita is forecast at $55,622 in five years, from $46,860 in 2010.

“It’s the combination of wealth, growth and a small population,” said Paul Cooper, Dubai-based managing director at Sarasin-Alpen & Partners Ltd., which oversees more than $500 million in the Middle East.

Qatar, the host of the 2022 soccer World Cup, forecasts economic growth of about 16 percent in 2011 and projects a budget surplus of $6.1 billion this fiscal year. The IMF forecasts the Persian Gulf nation will have the world’s fastest- growing economy for a second year in 2011 and estimates the country's population at 1.7 million in 2010. Qatar, which is smaller than Connecticut, has a population of about 848,000, according to the CIA World Factbook.

The country, the world’s largest exporter of liquefied natural gas, has reached its target of 77 million tons of annual production.

To contact the reporters on this story: Zahra Hankir in Dubai at zhankir@bloomberg.net; Ilan Kolet in Ottawa at ikolet@bloomberg.net

Say no to future American boycotts of the Olympics.

^^ +100. Armenia already took part in different competitions organised in Azerbaijan. Moreover, Armenian national boxing team confirmed their participation at World Boxing Championship 2011 to be held in Baku

What about Eurovision 2012 there? :)

I hope Manila or other cities in the Philippines get to have a chance to bid.
Well maybe not in 2020 but in 2024 :cheers:

The deadline for Olympic bids for the 2020 Summer Olympics is over. Deadline was 1st of September.

Manila might not be ready for a 2024 bid either, even with that 50,000 arena being built, SM Arena and new athletics/football stadium.

A proper major Olympic sized stadium should be built well before any bid, even if it might be the only venue needed to be built. Hosting another Asian Games will help determine if Manila is ready for an Olympics. So 2028 and beyond might be their best shot.

What about Eurovision 2012 there? :)
Azerbaijan is ready to provide security for Armenian delegation at ESC 2012. Now it is up to Armenia to decide whether to participate or not.

^^ So, Azerbaijan has no formal relations with Armenia because the Armenian side refuses to acknowledge Azerbaijan's existence over border disputes?

^^ So, Azerbaijan has no formal relations with Armenia because the Armenian side refuses to acknowledge Azerbaijan's existence over border disputes?
Due to the etic reasons I do not want to go on with further political discussions in this thread. I would just clarify that Azerbaijan and Armenia have no diplomatic and economic relations. From Azerbaijani perspective the reason is the ongoing occupation of Nagorno Karabakh and 7 adjacent regions of Azerbaijan by Armenia.

Ah ok. So it's nothing personal. So I was technically correct.

Simply put: Azerbaijan might be willing to acknowledge Armenia if Armenia is willing to acknowledge Azerbaijan, which it currently does not on the grounds of border disputes.

Just look at the Baku future developments thread man I was wrong about saying lack of infrastructure they are building like mad. I think Baku should have a shot getting the games most likely places now.

1 Rome Italy
2 Tokyo Japan
3 Baku Azerbaijan (I would suggest the Baku Team to make a selling point the 1st Summer Olympics Games in the Caucasus region and at Caspian Sea linking both Europe and Asia together and the 1st Olympics Games in the Muslim World?
I would put Baku before Istanbul Turkey
4 Madrid Spain,
5 Istanbul Turkey
6 Doha Qatar

Istanbul Turkey is more Black Sea and Sochi Russia is hosting the 1st Olympics at the Black Sea.

The 2022 FIFA World Cup will bankrupted Qatar it will cost them $220 billion to host the event and they only got $194 billion by the IMF and the IMF by 2016 forecast them to have only $243 billion so it will bankrupt them. If you don't believe me about $220 billion then look at this
http://canada-goose-sale.info/qatar%E2%80%99s-220-billion-world-cup-price-tag-includes-rail-solar.html

Baku wasn't ready for 2016 in their bid during 2007/2008/2009. But they are ever growing in projects and developments.

They should propose as a minimum for their 2020 bid in 2012/2013:

At least double the hotel numbers (existing) than what was available for 2009.
Far more proposed hotels than what was offered for 2016.
New airport terminal under construction.
New transport projects underway.

The main stadium seating 64,000, under construction.
Part 1 of the Expo Center (possible expansions) already being completed last year.
The Baku Crystal Hall (largest indoor venue, possible use for Weightlifting, fencing, but most likely boxing) already complete for the 2012 Eurovision.
Their existing 2 Arenas.
Their existing main football stadium in an upgraded state.
Several existing football stadiums.
And of course proposals for the Olympics.

I hope Manila or other cities in the Philippines get to have a chance to bid.
Well maybe not in 2020 but in 2024 :cheers:

The Philippines hosting the Olympics I think I will have to agree with Lord David and host the Asian Games 1st and really improve on the infrastructure that they have been there last year and it was not very good it will be another 30 years until they will get the games 2040s is the time.

If any where the Olympics Games will be held in South East Asia then it will be in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia but they are not even going for the Asian Games because they say they are not ready and Bangkok Thailand the Thailand Economy is booming the political situation in Thailand is improving they are working mad on there infrastructure and if Thailand get the 2020 World Expo then it will give Thailand infrastructure projects a boost.

Bangkok Thailand hosted 4 Asian Games and the 2007 World University Summer Games and the country hosted six South East Asian Games and is hosting the 2014 Asian Beach Games which is a very good resume for an Olympics Bid.

Sadly, whilst Baku may be developing infrastructure that's not all that counts...

The Baku 2020 bid for the Olympic and Paralympic Games has suffered an early setback after a series of technical problems delayed the start of the International Boxing Association (AIBA) 2011 World Boxing Championships here, drawing huge criticism from officials at the world governing body for boxing.

Baku is hoping that staging a successful 2011 World Championships will show the International Olympic Committee (IOC) that the Azerbaijani capital is capable of hosting world-class sporting competition that would act as a solid platform for their 2020 bid announced last month.

However, the first day of competition at the Heydar Aliyev Sports and Exhibition Complex got off to the worst possible start as a string of problems involving the technical equipment and the logistics caused the opening bouts to be delayed by nearly an hour, infuriating the boxers who did not know whether to compete their warm-up or not.

"We are so angry with the Local Organising Committee," a senior AIBA official told insidethegames.

"In terms of organisation, this is one of the worst AIBA events in history and we are having to manage everything on our own because of their incompetence.

"The technical problems are one thing but we were also told that there was no ambulance in place and we said that if there is no ambulance, the competition will not go ahead.

"It is embarrassing for them, especially considering that they have just put forward a bid for the Olympics."

Link (http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/boxing/14372-exclusive-baku-2020-olympic-bid-suffers-early-embarrassment-after-technical-problems-at-world-boxing)

^^ Strange. The opening ceremony was kinda fine and no other media representatives were complaining about that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/8163.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/8169.jpg

There is like no one there?

What are you talking about? Granted it's not a full house, but I can see people there.

Don't go in Qatar please !

How do you add pictures? I am new

Rome Italy I am picking to Win the 2018 Winter Olympics Games are going to Pyeongchang South Korea so which leaves 2020 to go to Europe. Spain having problems with there economy and lots of people are lousing Jobs and got the worst Youth unemployment rate in Europe and people are going against the Games Bid in Spain while in Rome they have 97% support.

Today the olympic aspiration for Madrid 2020 has a bit of public support because of the economic crisis and because we are quite disappointed with the IOC. The applicant has just begun, certainly as we move through the election process will increase public support, and the Spanish understand that this event is an investment that could help to finish their crisis.

Our application does not require a great economical effort, unlike other cities, basical infrastructure are made, such as airport expansion, the expansion of subway lines, the reformation of railway stations, new highways .. . The stadiums are also nearly complete, lacking to build temporary venues and the Olympic Stadium. This will be the new stadium of Football Club Atletico de Madrid, although not hosting the games. But we don't use places used 50 years ago, all of them are new or undergo a great renovation as the Santiago Bernabeu Football Stadium.
The Olympic village is not built yet, but Spain has an area of ​​a very strong construction that currently has no job, so in case we are given the Olympics, there will be no problem to build it.


Sorry for my English

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this is logo for what/

This won't help the underdog's chances and if proven true - especially if ministerial involvement is proven - will kill them off completely:

BBC Newsnight has uncovered evidence of secret payments of millions of dollars from Azerbaijan to international boxing organisation World Series Boxing (WSB).

Whistleblowers say that WSB's chief claimed the money was in return for a guarantee that Azerbaijani fighters would win two boxing gold medals at the London 2012 Olympics.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15020658
It hasn't proved anything to me, though. It was an 'unnamed source' making the allegations of the 'guarantee of two gold medals'. If it's true why is the source 'unnamed'.

It would be virtually impossible to guarantee a boxer's route to secure Olympic gold, let alone two.

The bad timing of the Newsnight programme before the start of the World Championships reminds me of last year when England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup was dashed partly because of the BBC Panorama investigation into FIFA corruption.

Sadly, whilst Baku may be developing infrastructure that's not all that counts...

The Baku 2020 bid for the Olympic and Paralympic Games has suffered an early setback after a series of technical problems delayed the start of the International Boxing Association (AIBA) 2011 World Boxing Championships here, drawing huge criticism from officials at the world governing body for boxing.

Baku is hoping that staging a successful 2011 World Championships will show the International Olympic Committee (IOC) that the Azerbaijani capital is capable of hosting world-class sporting competition that would act as a solid platform for their 2020 bid announced last month.

However, the first day of competition at the Heydar Aliyev Sports and Exhibition Complex got off to the worst possible start as a string of problems involving the technical equipment and the logistics caused the opening bouts to be delayed by nearly an hour, infuriating the boxers who did not know whether to compete their warm-up or not.

"We are so angry with the Local Organising Committee," a senior AIBA official told insidethegames.

"In terms of organisation, this is one of the worst AIBA events in history and we are having to manage everything on our own because of their incompetence.

"The technical problems are one thing but we were also told that there was no ambulance in place and we said that if there is no ambulance, the competition will not go ahead.

"It is embarrassing for them, especially considering that they have just put forward a bid for the Olympics."

Link (http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/boxing/14372-exclusive-baku-2020-olympic-bid-suffers-early-embarrassment-after-technical-problems-at-world-boxing)
This is just black PR

It hasn't proved anything to me, though. It was an 'unnamed source' making the allegations of the 'guarantee of two gold medals'. If it's true why is the source 'unnamed'.

It would be virtually impossible to guarantee a boxer's route to secure Olympic gold, let alone two.

The bad timing of the Newsnight programme before the start of the World Championships reminds me of last year when England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup was dashed partly because of the BBC Panorama investigation into FIFA corruption.

And how right the BBC were as it turned out! Now, nearly a year on, and we're in a position where FIFA members are accusing EACH OTHER of corruption. The BBC also caught out an IOC member accepting bribes during the 2012 race. They've a rather good record in uncovering corruption in sporting bodies.

As you say, nothing is proven yet, but if anything is proven, it's bad for Baku 2020. It's certainly relevent to this thread.

As for your dismissal of the criticism of the opening day of the world boxing as "black PR", well I think you're being rather silly there. Insidethegames is a pretty well respected source when it comes to these things, they wouldn't just make it up.

And how right the BBC were as it turned out! Now, nearly a year on, and we're in a position where FIFA members are accusing EACH OTHER of corruption. The BBC also caught out an IOC member accepting bribes during the 2012 race. They've a rather good record in uncovering corruption in sporting bodies.

As you say, nothing is proven yet, but if anything is proven, it's bad for Baku 2020. It's certainly relevent to this thread.

As for your dismissal of the criticism of the opening day of the world boxing as "black PR", well I think you're being rather silly there. Insidethegames is a pretty well respected source when it comes to these things, they wouldn't just make it up.

We say again , This has not been proved. if they prove it, u can write abut it. so be relax...

Hmmm......I think the relevence ought to be clear, proven or otherwise. But I can understand why you wouldn't want the articles posted here.

So the BBC is making false claims to support the British campaign for the 2020 Olympics? Ah it all makes sense now......oh.....wait, the UK isn't bidding....

Hmmmm.....so who is the BBC helping? I know, it's part if a great Anglo conspiracy!! But Spain are not Anglo, neither are Italy, dont think Turkey is, and I'm really sure Japan isn't. Maybe this is a grand plan to help the Qatari bid in return for cheap oil......except they kinda burnt their Qatari bridges in exposing the corrupt Qatari WC bid.....

Okay, I'm stumped. If this is a rubbish report from the BBC, what is their motivation?

I saw the project of Venezia and it was not too bad. I think that must modernise the city.

And how right the BBC were as it turned out! Now, nearly a year on, and we're in a position where FIFA members are accusing EACH OTHER of corruption. The BBC also caught out an IOC member accepting bribes during the 2012 race. They've a rather good record in uncovering corruption in sporting bodies.

As you say, nothing is proven yet, but if anything is proven, it's bad for Baku 2020. It's certainly relevent to this thread.

As for your dismissal of the criticism of the opening day of the world boxing as "black PR", well I think you're being rather silly there. Insidethegames is a pretty well respected source when it comes to these things, they wouldn't just make it up.

RobH are you paid a large sum to take on the burden of all that is just and egalitarian in the increasingly defunct EU? I hope so because your constant blind support of the "old guard" proposes 2 outcomes: a) you are a sell-out or b) a genius beyond words at espousing self-aggrandizing paradigms that you defend to a point that transpires logic. Or maybe you're just using this forum to gather info for a stand-up routine because the satire would be quite hilarious.

Its always problematic when individuals of great rhetoric can find the occasion to use it.

RobH are you paid a large sum to take on the burden of all that is just and egalitarian in the increasingly defunct EU? I hope so because your constant blind support of the "old guard" proposes 2 outcomes: a) you are a sell-out or b) a genius beyond words at espousing self-aggrandizing paradigms that you defend to a point that transpires logic. Or maybe you're just using this forum to gather info for a stand-up routine because the satire would be quite hilarious.

I don't suppport any bid yet and I haven't mentioned the EU. All I've said, if I remember correctly, about the European bids is that you cannot write them off, which some people seem to be doing.

As for your style of debate, it once more leaves a lot to be desited. You seem only ever to log onto this section to throw insults at me, something your posting history shows quite clearly.

So plase go screw your increasingly dissapointed mother. I'm sure she'd enjoy your company more than we do.

So plase go screw your increasingly dissapointed mother. I'm sure she'd enjoy your company more than we do.

haaaaaan il a di "nik ta mere" :ohno:

^^ God knows what you said there. I thought RobH's comment was pretty funny.

I'm working on my stand-up routine don't ya know.

^^ God knows what you said there. I thought RobH's comment was pretty funny.

That's SMS french language.
It's use by stupid gangsta-lols ("racailles") of Paris north suburbs ;)

I see the final fight between Istambul and Tokyo.. think Istambul is the favorite though :cheers:

I have a feeling that Tokyo will snap this olympics:).

By my visual survey... :speech:

Tokyo
Pros: Recycled Olympic Venues :banana:
Cons: Cr0wd with Skyscrapers; (almost) no space for expansions :lol:

Doha
Pros: Never host Olympic Games :cheers:
Cons: Extreme hot summer :pepper:

Baku
Pros: (same with Doha)
Cons: (presumed) small Olympic main venue's capacity :rofl:

Rome
Pros: (same with Tokyo)
Cons: same 1960 Olympic venues :old:

Madrid
Pros: New Olympic Venues :dance:
Cons: (presumed almost) same with 2016 bid venues(?) :lol:

Istanbul
Pros: (same with Doha)
Cons: *Poor* Olympic main venue design (currently) :lol:

you can choose by yourself (apart from *this*)

P.S.: this all is just my opinion.

^^ Now how can a small capacity main stadium be a con? If 60,000 was deemed too small (note that Baku is offering 64,000 and Doha would most likely offer over 70,000), then that would not be the minimum required amount by the IOC.

Countries like the US offer at least 80,000 based on population of city, region and nation regardless of which city is bidding, so even a mid sized city would have to offer the USOC minimum.

A country like Azerbaijan or it's city of Baku does not need such a large capacity venue so it offers a little more than the minimum. Nor does it need to compete with recent hosts in offering a large capacity main stadium.


Baku may not make it to the Candidate stage, even with offering at least 2 times more than what was present in 2008 for their 2016 bid. They may only slip through if the IOC doesn't want them to be left out (as the lone eliminated bid).


Doha will make it to the Candidate stage as a consolation of not making it to 2016.


Rome? Same 1960 Olympic venues? Shows legacy there. Not to mention many have been modernized since 1960 and I'm sure if you look at their 2004 bid, they will offer something similar, with perhaps key projects in a new aquatics center or major arena.

Now how can Rome's pro's and con's essentially be the same? :?


Tokyo's con would most likely be the suggestion of using the 1964 Olympic Stadium as the main stadium (through modernization). It won't reach the capacity of 100,000 as proposed for their 2016 bid (I can see at most, 70,000). So why would anyone (else) want to go with less (even taking into account sustainability and the March earthquake)?


Madrid will offer mostly the same with their 2016 bid and therefore would spend much of their bid budget in marketing. Any new venues built since their 2016 bid will be taken into account and boost their 2020 bid.


Istanbul's problem has been the lack of development in their Olympic Park, in spite of their previous bids proposing as such. Even with several new major stadiums in the city, this might not be enough. They should go through to the Candidate stage though.

I have a feeling that Tokyo will snap this olympics:).

Unlikely, given that 2018 goes to PyeongChang, South Korea. Even if the head of the IOC Jacques Rogge said himself that the 2 Olympics should not be a factor with each other, it's unlikely that they will go back to back in the same continent (even if it's Summer and Winter we're talking about).

Tokyo will have to offer more then a sympathy card on account of it's loss in 2016 and the March 2011 Earthquake.

^^ Now how can a small capacity main stadium be a con? If 60,000 was deemed too small (note that Baku is offering 64,000 and Doha would most likely offer over 70,000), then that would not be the minimum required amount by the IOC.

Countries like the US offer at least 80,000 based on population of city, region and nation regardless of which city is bidding, so even a mid sized city would have to offer the USOC minimum.

A country like Azerbaijan or it's city of Baku does not need such a large capacity venue so it offers a little more than the minimum. Nor does it need to compete with recent hosts in offering a large capacity main stadium.


Baku may not make it to the Candidate stage, even with offering at least 2 times more than what was present in 2008 for their 2016 bid. They may only slip through if the IOC doesn't want them to be left out (as the lone eliminated bid).


Doha will make it to the Candidate stage as a consolation of not making it to 2016.


Rome? Same 1960 Olympic venues? Shows legacy there. Not to mention many have been modernized since 1960 and I'm sure if you look at their 2004 bid, they will offer something similar, with perhaps key projects in a new aquatics center or major arena.

Now how can Rome's pro's and con's essentially be the same? :?


Tokyo's con would most likely be the suggestion of using the 1964 Olympic Stadium as the main stadium (through modernization). It won't reach the capacity of 100,000 as proposed for their 2016 bid (I can see at most, 70,000). So why would anyone (else) want to go with less (even taking into account sustainability and the March earthquake)?


Madrid will offer mostly the same with their 2016 bid and therefore would spend much of their bid budget in marketing. Any new venues built since their 2016 bid will be taken into account and boost their 2020 bid.


Istanbul's problem has been the lack of development in their Olympic Park, in spite of their previous bids proposing as such. Even with several new major stadiums in the city, this might not be enough. They should go through to the Candidate stage though.

You're Right. I agree with your RE. Sorry about Rome bid's misconceptions. I'm still learning Italian in basic. about "same 1960 Olympic venues", I refer to my (sorry) fear if the Olympic games become less exciting.
P.S.: Olympic Stadium capacity's analysis since 2004 Olympic Games

The same way Vancouver was awarded the WOG to prevent NYC from winning, Tokyo will not get the 2020 Summer Olympic Games, even though, politically and geographically, it would be the best candidate. Europe is going back to getting every other Olympic despite their crisis.

^^ That has little to do with it. The main reason NYC lost 2012 was not because the Winter Olympics would have been held in the same continent just 2 years prior, it was mostly due to their preferred main stadium plan at Queens, being fallen out and they sloppy backup plan ending up at Manhattan itself.

That's what made the NYC plan fail, since the Olympic Village would have still been at Queens, but the main stadium would end up in Manhattan, requiring athletes to take ferry trips to and from the main stadium and Olympic Village.

^^ That has little to do with it. The main reason NYC lost 2012 was not because the Winter Olympics would have been held in the same continent just 2 years prior, it was mostly due to their preferred main stadium plan at Queens, being fallen out and they sloppy backup plan ending up at Manhattan itself.

That's what made the NYC plan fail, since the Olympic Village would have still been at Queens, but the main stadium would end up in Manhattan, requiring athletes to take ferry trips to and from the main stadium and Olympic Village.


in that case tokyo has a little chance, also we all know italys and spains economical situation. people of rome burn the streets a day ago...

that left istanbul and doha & baku.

baku i dont give dem a chance for 2020

Istanbul has the best chance seems as. and as a suprise Doha can make it even no body wants :D

http://amymaeroberts.com/images/istanbul.jpg


http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8063/istanbul2020a2.png

A group of Israel's Knesset members have launched an international campaign to prevent Istanbul from bidding for the 2020 Summer Olympics. This can be seen as a threat to the Istanbul 2020 Olympic bid because I, personally, an backing Istanbul's bid. Why have they launched that campaign, anyway?

A group of Israel's Knesset members have launched an international campaign to prevent Istanbul from bidding for the 2020 Summer Olympics. This can be seen as a threat to the Istanbul 2020 Olympic bid because I, personally, an backing Istanbul's bid. Why have they launched that campaign, anyway?

They probably think Turkey value their bidso much that in order to get Israel back in support, they will back down on their recent opposition to Israel in several major issues.

Can't see this working though. If anything it may help the Turkish bid gain greater support in the Islamic nations (over Qatar).

I for some reason really want Istanbul to get the games. It deserves it and will finally put Istanbul on the world map.

yeah..istanbul need to win this bids..i support istanbul2020!

Can you tell me what's changed? Sure Madrid put up two very technically sound bids. But they lost both. They'll put up another for 2020 I'm sure, but why won't history repeat itself?

Several things have changed. First London is not competing, because despite their bid Madrid lost to London simply because of the UK influence, you have to admit that, you have very low chances to compete and win against London and UK, even Paris lost the battle. In 2016 Madrid lost because it would be very unfair to have 2012 and 2016 in Europe. Now we can see that 2020 Games will go to Europe or Asia, because it's their turn. I don't want to underestimate other candidates but I believe that Madrid is the best choice and they deserve that.
Spain has huge portfolio, much bigger than any other competing country. Spain is a FIFA World champion, UEFA Euro 2008 champion, they are European basketball champions (2 times in a row), they were World champions in 2006 in Basketball, Spain is a tennis superpower (they won Davis cup 4 times in last 10 years, and they play in the finals this year), they have champions in motorsports, Spain is a superpower in cycling, they have a good team in water polo, in athletics they are not bad...
Really Spain currently is the most succesful nation in Europe in sports.
It would be a true shame if Madrid loses this time too, that would just confirm that in IOC they care only about money and thier own interests.

I hope that 2020 will be finally held in Madrid. I think it is almost certain, because they already had probably the best bids in 2012 and in 2016, and Madrid never hosted Games despite being of of the major cities in the World. Also, when you look at other candidates it is clear that Madrid is the best choice.

I think it is almost certain, because they already had probably the best bids in 2012 and in 2016, and Madrid never hosted Games despite being of of the major cities in the World

Can you tell me what's changed? Sure Madrid put up two very technically sound bids. But they lost both. They'll put up another for 2020 I'm sure, but why won't history repeat itself?

when you look at other candidates it is clear that Madrid is the best choice.

Have you seen every single bid book in detail and saying so?

and Madrid never hosted Games

Not a big deal. Spanish people lived already their olympic dream in Barcelona, not so many Games ago.


It would be a true shame if Madrid loses this time too, that would just confirm that in IOC they care only about money and thier own interests.

I don't see why Spain must organize again the Games for the second time in 30 years, when there are other options available and other countries without any previous olympic organization, which deserve the Games as well as Madrid. It would be a "true shame" if the Games go to Buenos Aires in 2020, for example, but not even close to "shame" if they go to Rome, Tokyo or, even better, to Istanbul.

But after all, don't forget that the best bid is maybe the most decisive factor, after the factor of the rotation. Remember how strong was Sydney's 2000 bid, Athens' 2004 -which won over Rome- and also how strong was Beijing. Obviously we cannot have Games in 2020 again in South America for sure, so may the best bid win. And even if Madrid is as good as the other bids, the Barcelona 92 is a minor, regarding tha fact that other countries never hosted the event in a lifetime.

I hope that 2020 will be finally held in Madrid. I think it is almost certain, because they already had probably the best bids in 2012 and in 2016, and Madrid never hosted Games despite being of of the major cities in the World. Also, when you look at other candidates it is clear that Madrid is the best choice.

Old man Samaranch is NO LONGER there. He was responsible for their 2nd place finish. The old members would no longer be beholden to someone who's no longer there + they already voted with him the last 2x. Time for them to give other cities a chance.

As long as Doha don't win then it does not really bother me who gets it :)

Have you seen every single bid book in detail and saying so?



Not a big deal. Spanish people lived already their olympic dream in Barcelona, not so many Games ago.



I don't see why Spain must organize again the Games for the second time in 30 years, when there are other options available and other countries without any previous olympic organization, which deserve the Games as well as Madrid. It would be a "true shame" if the Games go to Buenos Aires in 2020, for example, but not even close to "shame" if they go to Rome, Tokyo or, even better, to Istanbul.

But after all, don't forget that the best bid is maybe the most decisive factor, after the factor of the rotation. Remember how strong was Sydney's 2000 bid, Athens' 2004 -which won over Rome- and also how strong was Beijing. Obviously we cannot have Games in 2020 again in South America for sure, so may the best bid win. And even if Madrid is as good as the other bids, the Barcelona 92 is a minor, regarding tha fact that other countries never hosted the event in a lifetime.

I do not understand is why they have to organize the games have cities that hosted the 1969 and 1964 editions. Or why so many people want to get the Olympic Games to Istanbul.
If a city wants the games will struggle to compete with the other doing a good candidate, if you have not the same as above now understand why it deserves the Olympics of 2020 and not the 2012, 2008, 2004 or 2000 .
This city has presented 4 times in any of the editions has been the second ballot, twice failed to make the first cut, nor has good grades. That influence will not build an Olympic Park as they had the cities of the past editions, or have a good transportation and good security.
An athlete does not win an Olympic medal for being cute, having charisma or being of a particular place. With the candidates must pass the same, your choice should be fair and based on objective criteria of quality.

Pardon my English.

I do not understand is why they have to organize the games have cities that hosted the 1969 and 1964 editions. Or why so many people want to get the Olympic Games to Istanbul.
If a city wants the games will struggle to compete with the other doing a good candidate, if you have not the same as above now understand why it deserves the Olympics of 2020 and not the 2012, 2008, 2004 or 2000 .
This city has presented 4 times in any of the editions has been the second ballot, twice failed to make the first cut, nor has good grades. That influence will not build an Olympic Park as they had the cities of the past editions, or have a good transportation and good security.
An athlete does not win an Olympic medal for being cute, having charisma or being of a particular place. With the candidates must pass the same, your choice should be fair and based on objective criteria of quality.

Pardon my English.

Each race has a different set of dynamics. And the geo-political factor dominates.

Also, remember that the city of Detroit bid 6x consecutively in the late 50s up to the 1972 Olympics, all the while that the IOC president was an American, Avery Brundage, and it still did NOT get the Olympics. So other cities bidding 3x, 4x shouldn't complain.

I do not care that this 2 or 20, consecutive or nonconsecutive. What matters to me is that in the other 4 times did not raise any interest and is now the favorite, and everyone says "Istanbul deserves the games" when it had not submitted his offer.

It could be very painful to the choice of the Olympic venue was transformed into a Eurovision Song Contest.
If that is going to turn into that, that the IOC warns the other candidates to not lose time, money and dreams.

I do not care that this 2 or 20, consecutive or nonconsecutive. What matters to me is that in the other 4 times did not raise any interest and is now the favorite, and everyone says "Istanbul deserves the games" when it had not submitted his offer.


Cause Turkey is becoming a regional power and a key country between many things. economical situation is better thn any other Eu country or OECD one. Turkey ,Investing on Istanbul trade mark for years and to the city about 200 billion USD in 15 years.

About Istanbul offers everything that others show 1 by one. Imperial city for 3 empires, world ruled from here for a 1500 years.,its roman, its byzantium,ottoman, christian jew and muslim. the very east of the west and the west of the east, biggest and largest market in the race, rising sporting country, one of the oldest members of IOC, cultural and historical icon in the world....etc...

and the timing is so right for Istanbul.

^^If the country has developed so well, is so important and has invested so much money why have not set an Olympic Park within the city limits? Why are so dispersed sporting venues and the stadium is so far? Why not the subway is planned to reach the Olympic stadium without having to make two transfers to get downtown?

Lots of history, many economies, but what matters are the facilities, and that's not noted Istanbul

and the timing is so right for Istanbul.

I think you are right. Either 2020 or 2024 would be both perfect for a games in Istanbul. As far as I know, the Greek goverment already gave its clear support to Istanbul΄s bid.

http://amymaeroberts.com/images/istanbul.jpg


http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8063/istanbul2020a2.png

THAT'S the official logo for the Istanbul bid?

It doesn't matter. In 2024, it's PARIS !!!! :banana:

What did you say about Warsaw 2020 ? Yeah I know now this is only my dream but i hope that Poland soon will have chance to host olympics. I think we must give a chance to new countries that never host olympic games in history...

It doesn't matter. In 2024, it's PARIS !!!! :banana:

If Madrid wins I would highly doubt that.

If I weren't pushing Paris for the 2024 Olympics, I would be pushing Madrid, also.

Istanbul please!

Rome.

What did you say about Warsaw 2020 ? Yeah I know now this is only my dream but i hope that Poland soon will have chance to host olympics. I think we must give a chance to new countries that never host olympic games in history...

Sure, we'll give a chance for Warsaw. If it actually shows any interest and bids for an Olympics! But for now, it's either new frontier or capable hands.

The choices are pretty boring this time around.

Although I know almost nothing about Azerbaijan, my vote goes to Baku. All the other choices are typical and boring, Azerbaijan on the other hand is in a region that is rarely discussed in the news. I would love to see that part of the world be in the spotlight for a while.

THAT'S the official logo for the Istanbul bid?
its a fan amde logo

its a fan amde logo

I like it, but what's a 'fan amde'?

fan made. I don't know how a mosque is relevant as a symbol for olympics. Christian countries don't use churches either, do they?

If Lisa Simpson can be a symbol for the Olympics, then a mosque can be also relevant ! :lol::lol::lol:

^^If the country has developed so well, is so important and has invested so much money why have not set an Olympic Park within the city limits? Why are so dispersed sporting venues and the stadium is so far? Why not the subway is planned to reach the Olympic stadium without having to make two transfers to get downtown?

Lots of history, many economies, but what matters are the facilities, and that's not noted Istanbul

lol it was outside of the city when its first build build. but now its becoming a nother center of istanbul.. tnx to agaoglu and other residential projects :S

Baku 2020 Appoints Three Top Agencies :carrot::pepper::carrot:

In its campaign to host the 2020 Summer Olympic Games, Baku's bid committee has appointed three leading international agencies - pmplegacy, Burson-Marsteller and Adore Creative.

pmplegacy, part of the Chime Sports Marketing division of Chime Communications PLC, will lead strategic and technical advisors to the bid, responsible for brand positioning, narrative and messaging; the development of the Applicant and Candidature Files, and assisting the Baku 2020 bid committee with its interaction and presentations to the Olympic movement.

Burson-Marsteller, a leading public relations and communications firm with a worldwide network of offices in 96 countries across six continents, will provide strategic communications counsel, as well as media relations and PR services to the bid team.

Adore Creative, the agency involved in the 2014 Winter Games and the 2018 World Cup campaigns for Russia, will be responsible for producing the bid films, new media and advertising campaign.

Yaqub Eyyubov, the Deputy Prime Minister who heads Baku 2020 said, "we are delighted to have secured the services of such high quality agencies. These three agencies are the leaders in their respective fields. We know that they will do an excellent job for us as we set out our credentials to be selected as a 2020 Candidate City in May 2012".

Azad Rahimov, Minister of Youth and Sport, said, "we are very focussed, following our 2016 Applicant City campaign, to demonstrate to the IOC that Baku really does have what it takes to host the 2020 Games. Our economy is amongst the fastest growing in the world thanks to our natural reserves and our position as a transportation hub; we have extensive modern sports venues throughout the city and we will demonstrate to the IOC a genuine sporting legacy for our country, the region, and the whole Olympic Family".

November 4, 2011
GamesBids.com

About Madrid 2020: Atletico Madrid are planning to occupy the La Peineta Olympic Stadium. Work has started on the stadium's expansion by demolishing the lower tier for a new one. The problem: It could become a football-only stadium, and if it is redeveloped as a football-only stadium, especially as a rectangular one, there is a potential for derailment of any future Olympic bids by Madrid.

I doubt the 2020 Olympics will go to a european city so soon it'll be in Africa or Asia (unless a Canadian city wants to bid).

^^ Huh? But there's like 2 (or 4 if you count Baku and Istanbul) European Cities bidding, vs Doha and Tokyo.

It's HIGHLY likely it will go to a European city soon, even with the mounting debt.

Azerbaijan, Baku disserves Olympics as first post soviet republic except Russia.

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It's a great book!!

About Madrid 2020: Atletico Madrid are planning to occupy the La Peineta Olympic Stadium. Work has started on the stadium's expansion by demolishing the lower tier for a new one. The problem: It could become a football-only stadium, and if it is redeveloped as a football-only stadium, especially as a rectangular one, there is a potential for derailment of any future Olympic bids by Madrid.

Not because the stadium is planned for later transformation into Olympic stadium as Valencia CF Stadium.

The IOC will select Candidate Cities on May 23, 2012 before London 2012
choose another European city to host Olympics games 2020 is hard thing

it is only between (Tokyo & Doha) but Tokyo is more close to win it unless they choose Doha for the strong financial position and to be synchronization with World Cup 2022 in Qatar.

^^ The IOC would be wise not to choose Doha, on account of the FIFA 2022 WC win scandal (of sorts), the IOC wouldn't want to be seen as money greedy folks (again), especially since that Salt Lake City 2002 bid scandal.

Therefore, the IOC may let Doha through, but it won't win for sure.

Anyone but Doha!!!

what happened to toronto?

^^ What do you mean what happened? They never bid from the start, the only musings from them for a 2020 bid was a last minute one when they saw the favourable playing field, which never eventuated.

tokyo 2020 official bid logo
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/tokyo-1.jpg
A symbol of Japanese cherry blossoms.
Bid logo of activity in 2020,
Peace as a sign of friendship, a sense of gratitude,
Has been designed this floral motifs that have been sent all over the world.

Olympic colors of red, blue, yellow, green, and instead black
Color the "Tokyo Edo purple" is used.
、 Single increments petals, becomes one big circle to connect the world,
Lease and has created a cherry.

Eternal happiness in the lease represents a "Back Again" may mean.
Olympic and Paralympic Games held in Japan since 1964,
Courage and energy to get back to this country through sports, it
Rice was a burning desire.

。 In Japan, once again, the festival of peace.
The new bid logo, to realize the dream of 2020 Be With You connect to people around the world.

tokyo 2020 official bid logo
http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx276/afiqnadzir/tokyo-1.jpg
A symbol of Japanese cherry blossoms.
Bid logo of activity in 2020,
Peace as a sign of friendship, a sense of gratitude,
Has been designed this floral motifs that have been sent all over the world.

Olympic colors of red, blue, yellow, green, and instead black
Color the "Tokyo Edo purple" is used.
、 Single increments petals, becomes one big circle to connect the world,
Lease and has created a cherry.

Eternal happiness in the lease represents a "Back Again" may mean.
Olympic and Paralympic Games held in Japan since 1964,
Courage and energy to get back to this country through sports, it
Rice was a burning desire.

。 In Japan, once again, the festival of peace.
The new bid logo, to realize the dream of 2020 Be With You connect to people around the world.

Beautiful logo but cut the explanation crap. It's terrible English. How can they release it with such an 'awful' explanation?

Time for an Middle Eastern Country. And what better city than the one the unites Europe with Asia, Istanbul.

Beautiful logo but cut the explanation crap. It's terrible English. How can they release it with such an 'awful' explanation?

the explanation is in japanese...this is google translate from gamesbids

the explanation is in japanese...this is google translate from gamesbids

OK. But don't even put it because it only devalues the logo.

Still the best of either Istanbul or Tokyo for me.

Given their debt issues Marid and Rome should be focusing on their problems at home first

Still the best of either Istanbul or Tokyo for me.

Given their debt issues Marid and Rome should be focusing on their problems at home first

Except Madrid/Spain has 85% of its stadia in place or planned already. So just the administration costs will be incurred. That usually pays for itself and/or can be easily recovered with broadcast sales and tickets. Plus, an economic activity like this would help jumpstart at least the Madrid economy.

^^ Yet Madrid will still need to build the Aquatics Center (or maybe just the main pool), Velodrome and do a say, 70% expansion of their main stadium. Big projects they are.

The Olympic stadium, I believe, that does not cost anything to the city, but a construction company do in exchange for building land. Therefore, the cost of Madrid's bid is acceptable

Except Madrid/Spain has 85% of its stadia in place or planned already. So just the administration costs will be incurred. That usually pays for itself and/or can be easily recovered with broadcast sales and tickets. Plus, an economic activity like this would help jumpstart at least the Madrid economy.

When the credit card is maxed, and you have to borrow money from your mates just to keep the power on, you don't use the money they loan you to throw a keg party.

In coming months it's highly likely Spain and Italy will be getting help from theimf and ecb, now ain't the time to host a beer bash

When the credit card is maxed, and you have to borrow money from your mates just to keep the power on, you don't use the money they loan you to throw a keg party.

In coming months it's highly likely Spain and Italy will be getting help from theimf and ecb, now ain't the time to host a beer bash

if like athens 2004 , germany and france gonna fund the games budget, they will use thiis against dem and have an advantage for future paris munich r berlin games...

In coming months it's highly likely Spain and Italy will be getting help from theimf and ecb, now ain't the time to host a beer bash

Why, if Greece, smaller country that it is, threw a $9 billion party, why should Italy and/or Spain be denied their own party? Equal opportunity bankruptcy I say!!

^^ Yet Madrid will still need to build the Aquatics Center (or maybe just the main pool), Velodrome and do a say, 70% expansion of their main stadium. Big projects they are.

The aquatic center is half built and the velodrome will be built with prefabricated elements, if the project is the same as in 2016.

Although we are in crisis, Madrid would have no problem to hold the games even arrive in time for the Olympics in 2016. But 2020 is still long, and qudan two years for the election of the city, anything can happen.

And even if we are really in crisis, human development in Spain and Italy is still higher than that of countries such as Brazil, Turkey and other BRICS.

Why, if Greece, smaller country that it is, threw a $9 billion party, why should Italy and/or Spain be denied their own party? Equal opportunity bankruptcy I say!!

And we saw how well that games went. Poorly managed, cost a mint, barely ready, and almost universally panned. But yeah, let's use that as a template of what future games can aspire to

And we saw how well that games went. Poorly managed, cost a mint, barely ready, and almost universally panned. But yeah, let's use that as a template of what future games can aspire to

Yeah, except Madrid's template will be pretty much the opposite. They've very little to build and therefore everything to gain with little to lose, not like Greece's Games in that sense at all.

Yeah, except Madrid's template will be pretty much the opposite. They've very little to build and therefore everything to gain with little to lose, not like Greece's Games in that sense at all.

Still a lotta money to fork out though.

Right now these govts are looking at massive budget cuts across the board.

Surely keeping nurses and teachers in a job is more important right now than hosting an event someone else can more ably afford to pay?

More importantly though, both countries are asking for massive bail outs from the rest of the world. If they are that desperate for help, they should be too far gone to host an Olympics right now.

If instanbul is ready, they should get it, otherwise Tokyo.

Experts To Help Baku 2020 Bid (http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/2020_bid_news/1216135983.html)

Given that the plans for La Peineta are being revealed today, are we likely to find out more about Madrid 2020's stadium plan?

Today much will climate or environment and calls for new trials, cultures and traditions. And this is more like Istanbul and Tokyo undeniably, especially after the Rio

And I think today only win if an application offering at least $ 10 billion in its budget even more in times of crisis ...

But every one believes in something if you want to believe ..

Today much will climate or environment and calls for new trials, cultures and traditions. And this is more like Istanbul and Tokyo undeniably, especially after the Rio

And I think today only win if an application offering at least $ 10 billion in its budget even more in times of crisis ...

But every one believes in something if you want to believe ..

İstanbul will expense about 28 B. USD for 2020 games as the prime minister said. not including annual and general infrastuctural investments like metro 3 rd airport and 3 rd continental bridge..

Azerbaijan presents logo of Olympic Games ‘Baku 2020’ and for Olympiad gives climate forecast for term until 2020 :banana2:

Today, Baku has hosted a briefing devoted to the official presentation of the Olympic Games logo - Baku 2020.

Kenul Nurullayeva, executive director of the Organizing Committee of Baku 2020 Olympic Games, informs that tomorrow Baku is going to become the second city after Tokyo, which also filed an bid for the Olympic Games, that presented the logo of the Summer Olympic Games in 2020.

"Currently, the Baku 2020 Organizing Committee informs that it is preparing the bid book of Azerbaijan as a candidate country to host the Olympics in 2020. This is a first stage of obtaining the status of the host country of the Olympic Games. This 97-page book to be published in 80 copies will provide full information on Azerbaijan and cover all areas of country’s activities. Until 15 February, the book should be presented to the International Olympic Committee, and the latter will consider for two months the bid books of the candidate countries to host the Olympics in 2020 and announce the countries to pass the second stage of the competition," she emphasized.

Nurullayeva said that the bid book is the best tool for promoting the country internationally and provide information about the economic situation, geographical location, etc.

"We have significant advantages in comparison with other countries. In particular, our economic situation of the city of Baku, climatic conditions and the proposed terms of the Olympics allows us to talk about the big chance for getting the right for hosting the Olympic Games in 2020 in Baku. In the bid book we give a forecast on all indicators, including the climate ones for the period until 2020," Nurullayeva said.

Bids to host the Olympics in 2020, along with Baku have been filed by Doha, Madrid, Istanbul, Tokyo, and Rome. Baku had tried unsuccessfully to get the Olympics in 2016.

20.12.2011
Fineko/abc.az

Hollywood director shoots a film about Azerbaijan in support of a bid for Olympics 2020 :banana::pepper::banana:

A Hollywood director has been drawn for shooting a propaganda film about Azerbaijan in support of the application for the Olympic Games in 2020.

Kenul Nurullayeva, executive director of the Organizing Committee of Olympic Games 2020, says that the work is carried out within the preparation for Olympic Games in Baku in 2020.

"We have attracted both local and foreign experts to the process of preparation for the Olympic Games and propaganda for Baku. To shoot promotional videos and mini movies about Baku and Azerbaijan, we have drawn American director Rubert Veynfrayt from Hollywood. To date, shooting has been taken place in the sights of Baku and the regions of Azerbaijan," she noted.

According to Nurullayeva, the Organizing Committee has in view issues of propaganda of Azerbaijan and prepares meetings in this direction.

"This is the second time of our candidature submission to host the Olympics, and we believe that this time we have much more chances to win, as we have presented an improved model of the Olympic Games, based on past experience," she said.

20.12.2011
Fineko/abc.az

where the logo?

Baku 2020 unveiled its logo :cheers2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/SSC%202011-2012/logo.jpg

Slogan: Together We Can

The Baku 2020 Bid logo is inspired by the world-famous Azerbaijani carpets.

In particular, the Bid logo’s design is inspired by how, in these spectacular and valuable works of art, each brightly coloured individual thread is woven together with others to create something amazing, delightful, surprising and beautiful.

The logo is not only a colourful representation of a carpet, the weave itself also subtly spells out Baku’s ‘dream date’ of 2020.

Finally, the Baku 2020 logo is a visual articulation of the central proposition of our Bid: bringing things together to create something much greater and more marvellous than simply the sum of their individual parts.

The Baku 2020 Bid is not just concerned about what the Olympic Movement can do for Baku and Azerbaijan; it also cares deeply about what Baku and Azerbaijan can in turn do for the Olympic Movement.

We believe there is a close synergy between us: that Baku can offer enormous benefits back to the Olympic Movement if it is granted the honour of hosting the Games in 2020.

This concept of ‘coming together’ is at the very heart of Azeri history and culture. The logo is therefore full of local meaning and provenance. It is not mere decoration, it is a graphical articulation of the Bid’s slogan – “Together we can”.

Each individual colourful thread contributes to making the whole weave stronger and more beautiful. Likewise, we believe that, with the Olympic Movement,

together we can develop, inspire and empower millions of young sportsmen and women;
together we can accelerate the development of team sports in Azerbaijan, as well as introduce new sports into the country, so benefitting young and old, men and women;
together we can spread the values of Olympism to a region of the world that will benefit enormously from these values, putting sport and its importance at the forefront of our society;
together we can nourish new dreams, new friendships and new understandings between competitors, spectators and people that will extend far beyond Azerbaijan and the Olympic Games themselves;
together we can host a fabulous Olympic and Paralympic Games.

Source: http://www.baku2020.com

design nice..color?hurmmmm..not nice

Looks like something Microsoft would come up with.

I like it

Well from the Poll it would seem most people don't really think Doha deserves the Olympics, yet it would probably win (all they need to do is flash the cash) just like the 2022 Fifa World Cup. Don't get me wrong I think they'll be able to put on a great show but as with the World Cup there are more deserving applicants.

Well from the Poll it would seem most people don't really think Doha deserves the Olympics, yet it would probably win (all they need to do is flash the cash) just like the 2022 Fifa World Cup. Don't get me wrong I think they'll be able to put on a great show but as with the World Cup there are more deserving applicants.

same with asian games 2006... the selection of Doha was ridiculous and that the selection of Doha was influenced by Qatar's economic wealth,they play dirty

Baku 2020 unveiled its logo :cheers2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/SSC%202011-2012/logo.jpg


i don´t like...:ohno:

Baku 2020 unveiled its logo :cheers2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/SSC%202011-2012/logo.jpg

Slogan: Together We Can

The Baku 2020 Bid logo is inspired by the world-famous Azerbaijani carpets.

Source: http://www.baku2020.com

World famous what, now I've heard of Turkish & Persian carpets but never Azerbaijani. Looks like a version of the old Windows logo.

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThKywXk6rLA-Guy69lHtZDKF7SnZKCRfaCO2tIKLEUuyAp2HVX

World famous what, now I've heard of Turkish & Persian carpets but never Azerbaijani. Looks like a version of the old Windows logo.
It is never late to learn new things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_rug ;)

World famous what, now I've heard of Turkish & Persian carpets but never Azerbaijani.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_State_Carpet_Museum

Baku is building a new carpet museum
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/galpics.jpg

May not be world famous, but Azerbaijan apparently is a reasonably large carpet producer and steeped in history.

Im going for Kuala Lumpur.

Im going for Kuala Lumpur.

Aherm, they're not even bidding for 2020 and the deadline ended in September.

Hollywood director shoots a film about Azerbaijan in support of a bid for Olympics 2020 :banana::pepper::banana:

A Hollywood director has been drawn for shooting a propaganda film about Azerbaijan in support of the application for the Olympic Games in 2020.

Kenul Nurullayeva, executive director of the Organizing Committee of Olympic Games 2020, says that the work is carried out within the preparation for Olympic Games in Baku in 2020.

"We have attracted both local and foreign experts to the process of preparation for the Olympic Games and propaganda for Baku. To shoot promotional videos and mini movies about Baku and Azerbaijan, we have drawn American director Rubert Veynfrayt from Hollywood. To date, shooting has been taken place in the sights of Baku and the regions of Azerbaijan," she noted.

According to Nurullayeva, the Organizing Committee has in view issues of propaganda of Azerbaijan and prepares meetings in this direction.

"This is the second time of our candidature submission to host the Olympics, and we believe that this time we have much more chances to win, as we have presented an improved model of the Olympic Games, based on past experience," she said.

20.12.2011
Fineko/abc.az

NEVER heard of any of these "Hollywood" names. Must be wannabees.

same with asian games 2006... the selection of Doha was ridiculous and that the selection of Doha was influenced by Qatar's economic wealth,they play dirty


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lol when the issue comes to fire works well , u hve to be here at 29 october every year in republc day celebrations :) 20 min. non stop in whole bosphorus and the city.

cant find an hd one.. in a bit hurry now ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdaT46hXYgA

Madrid of course!

I actually think if Paris had decided to bid they would've got the games. Surprised however that Madrid is bidding especially with their economic situation.

lol when the issue comes to fire works well , u hve to be here at 29 october every year in republc day celebrations :) 20 min. non stop in whole bosphorus and the city.

cant find an hd one.. in a bit hurry now ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdaT46hXYgA

Qatar National Day 18,12,1878

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^^ Nice, better than any major sporting opening event....Love the inspired accompanying soundtrack...It would've been perfect if they lit up the skyline and buildings at the final moments/beat...

Qatar National Day 18,12,1878

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better than arab games closing... i really like such celebrations in city wide like we do here in Istanbul. not ina spesific location

but the date ??? 1878 ???? :S what the??? even if its islamic calender there is 600 years between the western calender why 1878

better than arab games closing... i really like such celebrations in city wide like we do here in Istanbul. not ina spesific location

but the date ??? 1878 ???? :S what the??? even if its islamic calender there is 600 years between the western calender why 1878

Qatar's unification and independence was on 18,12,1878. Founded by sheikh Jassim bin Mohammed Al-Thani :)

The date the video was taken however is 18,12,2009 :D

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ah yeah from ottomans...
why u use samarra minaret in ıraq as a torch? dont u have anything unique in qatar ???

strange..

ah yeah from ottomans...
why u use samarra minaret in ıraq as a torch? dont u have anything unique in qatar ???

strange..

The founding and unification of Qatar was on 18,12,1878 which was the time where the ottomans were around. Independence from the ottomans however was in 1913. Later independence from the British was 3,9,1971.

Its the ARAB games, not the Qatar games ;)
The top part is the "Mabkhara" which is a Khaleeji (Gulf countries) sign of hospitality. While the Arabic patterns and spiral are general Arabic concepts.

The founding and unification of Qatar was on 18,12,1878 which was the time where the ottomans were around. Independence from the ottomans however was in 1913. Later independence from the British was 3,9,1971.

Its the ARAB games, not the Qatar games ;)
The top part is the "Mabkhara" which is a Khaleeji (Gulf countries) sign of hospitality. While the Arabic patterns and spiral are general Arabic concepts.

İts the olympics not the chinese games or brazilians... :bash:
arab or not iits an int. event..if u r the host u must show your unique things, culture arts whatever....
it gives in look like nothing u have but using other arabic countries cultural items.. not so pretty..

In the city of Florianópolis in Brazil you will find most beautiful fireworks and impactful than those of Qatar and as large as, lasting about 20 min. There, in addition to the fireworks with the music coming from all its ocean coast, there are fireworks in his iconic bridge, like Sydney. With innovation that does not exist anywhere else, which are underwater fireworks !!!!!!!!!!

This to say nothing of Sao Paulo and Rio are on a larger scale. Tons per cube and lasting 30 min. Not to mention the local culture that is absurdly rich and diverse. Just rhythms are numerous and endless. Cities are exciting, warm, free and without prejudice, without any cultural imposition. U is free to want to join or not. You do not find anything parallel to this in the world, not to mention the natural question. Sporting tradition that comes from 'last many decades.

Everything is a construction. Qatar to work harder still missing in other matters. You can yes, but I think still is not the time. Try to work on the tradition and not only Paralympic sports. At least try to win an Olympic medal or two. Preferably silver or gold.

Many of these questions you will reap naturally and without pressure over time.

Just a warning: Do not be fooled thinking that the IOC is the same as FIFA, although certain approaches ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_State_Carpet_Museum

Baku is building a new carpet museum
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/galpics.jpg

May not be world famous, but Azerbaijan apparently is a reasonably large carpet producer and steeped in history.

Hopefully this will be better than the state puppet museum.

Hopefully this will be better than the state puppet museum.
What a primitive comparison :? With every and each new post of you you once more state how big troll you are :bash: State Puppet Museum is a historical building built in 1910 and actually other neutral users can evaluate it better than trolls like you

State Puppet Museum in Baku

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/bakuganja/53084881_TEATRK2.jpg

It's the content rather than the actual building, the state puppet museum is in an attractive looking building.

It's the content rather than the actual building, the state puppet museum is in an attractive looking building.

Every culture/country can boast at least 1 museum with a corny subject they'd rather not showcase. I'm sure even NZ has a museum dedicated to some corny subject, that it's caretakers are proud of but locals might be sick to death or embarrased of.

In this case, I assume Azerbaijan prides in it's rich puppetry culture.

^^Nothing corny about NZ mate, we're pretty serious people, rather like Aussies but without the silly accent :)

^^ Funny, because you are aware that NZ people (well some of them) have a distinct accent.

Most Australians have a normal accent, for an Australian that is.

Oh and boasting about how many sheep you have is pretty corny, especially when we here in Australia have far more. :P

Simply put, every country has some corny aspect to them, you just gotta look hard enough and you'll find a certain aspect of your culture or history or heck even a well known TV show or movie that would make you embarrassed to brand it as something from New Zealand.

Isn't there something called the "toothbrush fence" in new Zealand that is supposedly quite the attraction?

There you go! Something the so-called perfect peoples of NZ can be embarrassed about!

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2560/4140535640_a81853fb8f_z.jpg?zz=1

http://www.tepahu.co.nz/getfile/e24d7802-4fa6-41b0-88fb-5d7c33c76c84/tb3.aspx

Oh I get it now. Where Australia has things like the Big Pineapple or Big Merino as tourist attractions (well anything big really), NZ has everyday items placed on a long stretch of fence (well anything on a long fence really) and calls them tourist attractions!

It looks a lot more impressive on the poster than in real life, I have to say!!

The Cardrona bra fence is better.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Cardrona_bra_fence.jpg/800px-Cardrona_bra_fence.jpg

the real issue for me here is you can have stupid stuff like this in places like NZ, Aussie and most likely the vast majority of Western countries but if you tried it in a state like Azerbaijan you'd probably be in the poo, so why should we reward a country ruled by a dictator something special like an Olympic Games?

The Cardrona bra fence is better.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/Cardrona_bra_fence.jpg/800px-Cardrona_bra_fence.jpg

the real issue for me here is you can have stupid stuff like this in places like NZ, Aussie and most likely the vast majority of Western countries but if you tried it in a state like Azerbaijan you'd probably be in the poo, so why should we reward a country ruled by a dictator something special like an Olympic Games?

My suggestion you take one of your tooth brush and clean your mouth maybe then something positive will come out of your mouth.:lol: Firstfull thanks god you are not awarding this games. International comunity does. Second if it is awarded it will be awarded to the country of Azerbaijan and to its people.

The Cardrona bra fence is better.

the real issue for me here is you can have stupid stuff like this in places like NZ, Aussie and most likely the vast majority of Western countries but if you tried it in a state like Azerbaijan you'd probably be in the poo, so why should we reward a country ruled by a dictator something special like an Olympic Games?

Dictatorship? When? Azerbaijan is technically a Presidential Republic, having received independence from the USSR in 1991.

Ok, so it might not be a full democratic republic, but it's leaders are still elected by the people in a democratic voting process.

Rubber stamped you mean it's a hereditary dictatorship, the Aliyevs will remain in power until somebody kicks them out, believing Azerbaijan is a democracy is similar to believing in the tooth fairy.

KiwiRob, I hope you neer ever visit Azerbaijan again. A hater like you should be declared persona non grata.

Rubber stamped you mean it's a hereditary dictatorship, the Aliyevs will remain in power until somebody kicks them out, believing Azerbaijan is a democracy is similar to believing in the tooth fairy.

Well if this is a dictatorship, then it's certainly one that works.

Just look at all the progress and development in Azerbaijan. A real dictatorship would keep much of the country's revenues for themselves.

What we see in Azerbaijan is certainly better living conditions than the Soviet era.

I said it is (Azerbaijan) a democracy. But not a full democracy where elected officials serve like 2 terms or something. If the leadership works, then it will remain.

happy new year guys:)

^^ Thanks.

About 2020, in May we will have the short list.

Six 2020 Bid Cities Rated By Moody's

Doha, Qatar received the highest rating among the six cities, Doha, Tokyo, Rome, Spain, Istanbul and Baku, bidding to host the 2020 Summer Olympic Games, according to credit ratings published by Moody's, an agency which awards ratings that can affect the rate at which governments borrow money through ranking the level of risk of the investing environment of a country considered by the international investors.
A study conducted by Sportcal revealed Doha is rated Aa2, the third tier in Moody's long-term rating system where Aaa represents the least risky rating. Moody's also rates Qatar's outlook as "stable".

The three six cities bidding for the 2020 Games were split up into three groups of two in terms of their credit ratings, with Qatar and Japan highly rated and awarded a "stable' outlook by Moody's.

Meanwhile Italy and Spain were rated upper medium but received a negative outlook.

Although Turkey and Azerbaijan were rated relatively low, they were awarded a positive outlook.

Ratings from the other two main rating agencies, Standard & Poors, and Fitch, reportedly follow a broadly similar pattern for the six countries, although both rate Japan's outlook as "negative" (not stable), while Fitch rates Turkey's outlook as "stable", (not positive).

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/2020_bid_news/1216136029.html

Wonder how much Doha paid them...

2008 Beijing
2012 London
2016 Rio
2020 Istanbul
2024 Cape Town
2028 Doha
2032 São Paulo
2036 Paris
2040 New York
2044 Moscow or St Petrsburg
2048 Nairobi
2052 Buenos Aires or Lima
2056 Osaka
2060 Brasilia

Rubber stamped you mean it's a hereditary dictatorship, the Aliyevs will remain in power until somebody kicks them out, believing Azerbaijan is a democracy is similar to believing in the tooth fairy.
KiwiRob, if you hate this country, why the hell are you visiting all the threads related to Azerbaijan? Are you jealous? Did anybody offend you in this country? Or Your ex-girlfriend or gay friend who was from Azerbaijan dumped you? Otherwise, I don't find any logical answer for your comments.
If you are visiting Azerbaijan because of your job, then quit.
I can easily help you, If you provide me with a name of the firm who co-operates with your organization.I am definitely sure nobody in Azerbaijan or anywhere else would prefer to work with the haters and mental like you.

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha2020-1.jpg

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha2020-1.jpg

i really respect your drawings and enjoy dem.. but im an objective guy and need to say st ..

madrid one looks like a cake or a barbie crown
istanbul i dont get anything bubble bubble... could be used for alternate thiings but nothing speacil about city and candidature
doha i liked it but its just means Islam... which olympics is a union of all, using a icon like this wont be suitable
Rome dont get the circles too

im sure u r angry :/

and why doha candidate others applicant?

i really respect your drawings and enjoy dem.. but im an objective guy and need to say st ..

madrid one looks like a cake or a barbie crown
istanbul i dont get anything bubble bubble... could be used for alternate thiings but nothing speacil about city and candidature
doha i liked it but its just means Islam... which olympics is a union of all, using a icon like this wont be suitable
Rome dont get the circles too

im sure u r angry :/

and why doha candidate others applicant?

im not agry with you..:)as i said..im not design for real...and im not even a designer,lol......thanks for critic on that,really appreciate,i made it just for fun....as i know london 2012,sochi2014,nanjing 2014,rio paralimpic logo, pyeongchang 2018,they also not presenting the city or sport...what do you think on it?

another think..u cant see logo with your naked eye,..if so,you will only get simsons blowjob and rio underwear..:)

im not agry with you..:)as i said..im not design for real...and im not even a designer,lol......thanks for critic on that,really appreciate,i made it just for fun....as i know london 2012,sochi2014,nanjing 2014,rio paralimpic logo, pyeongchang 2018,they also not presenting the city or sport...what do you think on it?

another think..u cant see logo with your naked eye,..if so,you will only get simsons blowjob and rio underwear..:)
aahahahhhaahha that was sexy lol:D
london 2012 for me a disaster, my favorite of all times are, rio 2016, tokyo 64, munich 72,moscow 80 and İstanbuls previous bidding logo and rome 04... so clever simple yet meaningfull logos yet.

i really enjoy your drawings by the way ;) as a tip why dont u use imperial tiles of ottoman time for Istanbuls logo? cintemani or tulip ??

why they put such a fence ?

What was so meaningfull of Rome 2004? What Colloseum has to do with olympics???

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha2020-1.jpg

well i dont think thats the all logos

i never saw the logo of Doha app before, from where did you get the logos?

Doha did not unveil the logo yet, in my knowladge only buka and tokyo so far maybe some others but not Doha

well i dont think thats the all logos

i never saw the logo of Doha app before, from where did you get the logos?

Doha did not unveil the logo yet, in my knowladge only buka and tokyo so far maybe some others but not Doha

:)-- i already said..i just made it..:lol:

thanks for the try but u could of make better logo for Doha as i can see that you are talented in designing

Here I invite you to join the official FB page of Baku 2020 http://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/baku2020 Together we can :)

i don´t like...:ohno:

I think its brilliant mate! - you DO see the 20 - 20 interwoven in the logo right? - thats smart - and pay hommage to the rich weaving/ceramics/mosaic artistry of this nation and its neighbours. rock on Baku!!

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Just look at all the progress and development in Azerbaijan. A real dictatorship would keep much of the country's revenues for themselves.

What we see in Azerbaijan is certainly better living conditions than the Soviet era.

I said it is (Azerbaijan) a democracy. But not a full democracy where elected officials serve like 2 terms or something. If the leadership works, then it will remain.

That is an oxymoron. Any nation that denies it's citizenry basic freedom "doesn't work."

And what "basic freedoms" is Azerbaijan denying it's people anyways?

What I'm saying is that if this IS a dictatorship, well it's certainly one that works. The people of Azerbaijan are experiencing far better living conditions and even greater infrastructure development then during their whole time with the Soviet Union.

So, on paper it "doesn't work" but in reality it's getting roads, buildings and other infrastructure done to improve the lives of it's people.

What was so meaningfull of Rome 2004? What Colloseum has to do with olympics???

Um, it represented an icon of Rome and Italy? Many bid and even actual logos do that, even though the venue has nothing to do with the city hosting the Olympics.

Also it represented the sun, reaching out to everyone.

I hope Tokyo will get it :)

Baku 2020 - Together we can

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http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha2020-1.jpg
^^It reminds me too...
http://ensociedad.es/wp-content/uploads/jmj-1.jpg

Cheer for ISTANBUL,TURKEY .. .

Madrid is the best candidate

Azerbaijani population supports hosting the Olympic Games 2020 in Baku

One of the world's leading research companies, TNS Global conducted a survey according to which 95 percent of Azerbaijan's population supports hosting the Olympic and Paralympic Games in 2020 in Baku.

According to the press service of the Ministry of Youth and Sports, the survey was conducted in December. It showed that 93 percent of respondents believe that the Olympic Games in Baku will give great impetus to the development of sport in Azerbaijan.

50 percent of respondents in Baku, Ganja and Sumgayit noted that in the event the Games are held in the capital city, they will buy tickets, while 30 percent expressed willingness to be volunteers.

The official list of applicant cities will be announced in May this year. Baku contenders are Tokyo, Madrid, Istanbul, Rome and Doha. Voting is due in Buenos Aires (Argentina) on 7 September, 2013.

23 January 2012
News.Az

Baku don`t have any chanses, maybe in 2032 or later, let`s be objective.
My wishes, Turkey to host Euro 2020 and Madrid Olympics.

Baku don`t have any chanses, maybe in 2032 or later, let`s be objective.
My wishes, Turkey to host Euro 2020 and Madrid Olympics.
Has it or not, that is never bad to try chance, get experience, improve infrastructure and construct venues within bidding process.

There is no harm in trying :)

There is no harm in trying :)
Exactly :okay:

Well, apart from the £25m+ it costs to put forward a winning bid these days. Mind you, if Baku makes the shortlist it might be quite good publicity regardless as to whether they win or not.

Well, apart from the £25m+ it costs to put forward a winning bid these days. Mind you, if Baku makes the shortlist it might be quite good publicity regardless as to whether they win or not.

Of course it`s good for publicity but they should go step by step. First summer universiade, some WC, EC in some sports... To gain experience in huge events hosting, build infrastructure and improve image in world through that as a major metropolis, than bid for olympics on real basis.

Of course it`s good for publicity but they should go step by step. First summer universiade, some WC, EC in some sports... To gain experience in huge events hosting, build infrastructure and improve image in world through that as a major metropolis, than bid for olympics on real basis.
We already hosted several european and world championships with the most recent AIBA World Boxing Championship in October 2011. Further we host FIFA U-17 Women's WC and Eurovision Song Contest both in 2012. That is already a good progress yet I also think we should bid and get anything like Universiade for boosting our future bids.

Official logo of Madrid 2020 bid

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/346/1327919766e35a5c4823255.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/689/1327919766e35a5c4823255.jpg/)

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/logo-madrid2020--644x362.jpg

The worst logo of our last three Olympic applications, hopefully it fixed before it is inserted into presentations and videos of Madrid 2020.

Madrid's logo is ok yet below my expectations. The sign 20020 instead of 2020 :D

it's corny. It's like the salesman's sample of finger-nail acrylic add-ons.

compared to london's logo though....

london 2012 is better then this...overall the worst sport logo for me is toronto pan am..

Madrid's logo is ok yet below my expectations. The sign 20020 instead of 2020 :D

it must be in Spanish....

The supposed "original" logo made by that 22 year old artist and the one modified by the bidding team:
http://imagenes.publico.es/resources/archivos/2012/1/30/1327932793984MADRID-2020-ANCHOc4.jpg

Madrid 2020 website

http://www.madrid2020.es/

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Azerbaijan Submits Baku 2020 Bid Application To IOC

Ahead of a February 15 deadline, Azerbaijan has submitted a bid application file to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for Baku to host the 2020 Summer Olympic Games.
The bid file reportedly consists of 97 pages with information on the economy and culture of Baku, infrastructure projects, and stadiums - strictly following IOC guidelines.

The Candidature file will be presented in Azerbaijan February 12-13.

Other candidate cities bidding for the 2020 Games are Madrid, Rome, Tokyo, Istanbul and Doha.

The host city announcement is to be made on September 7, 2013 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

February 1, 2012
GamesBids.com

Madrid's logo is ok yet below my expectations. The sign 20020 instead of 2020 :D

I was thinking that initially but if you look at it closer it's meant to be M20 rather then 20020 or 2020.

Azerbaijan Submits Baku 2020 Bid Application To IOC

Ahead of a February 15 deadline, Azerbaijan has submitted a bid application file to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for Baku to host the 2020 Summer Olympic Games.
The bid file reportedly consists of 97 pages with information on the economy and culture of Baku, infrastructure projects, and stadiums - strictly following IOC guidelines.

The Candidature file will be presented in Azerbaijan February 12-13.

Other candidate cities bidding for the 2020 Games are Madrid, Rome, Tokyo, Istanbul and Doha.

The host city announcement is to be made on September 7, 2013 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

February 1, 2012
GamesBids.com

So Baku is being the first to submit it's Applicant file? Similar to the one for 2016? So the deadline is February 15. We'll have to wait until the end of deadline before the bidding cities can make theirs public.

15th February?
Lol i think turks will forget it :D
Turkish football scandal will destroy the 2020 dreams (Olympics and EURO)

I was thinking that initially but if you look at it closer it's meant to be M20 rather then 20020 or 2020.
Yeah I also detected it afterwards :D

So Baku is being the first to submit it's Applicant file? Similar to the one for 2016? So the deadline is February 15. We'll have to wait until the end of deadline before the bidding cities can make theirs public.
I guess it will be very different from that unprofessional one. I know they have relocated the Olympic village etc. and it will be located close to Korogly subway station where they work on such projects as Olympic Stadium, Gymnastics arena and Aquatics Complex.

15th February?
Lol i think turks will forget it :D
Turkish football scandal will destroy the 2020 dreams (Olympics and EURO)

i didn't want to mention it, but i think you're right. there is no hope.

i didn't want to mention it, but i think you're right. there is no hope.
look from the bright side, we try to clean the league and make it rigtfull.)

lol, trying to clean it? :)
They are doing everything to put the dirt under the carpet.
"Nothing happend" style

lol, trying to clean it? :)
They are doing everything to put the dirt under the carpet.
"Nothing happend" style

look at the bright side... carpet is clean :P

just the lower side :)

bythe way i passed infornt of the ataturk olympic stadium today and wtf. ???

the biggest mall building next to and many residential buildings with 20 floors .. 4 years ago there was nothing there :/

Doha logo and the offical web site will be published to the world on Friday the 10th of Feb.... Good luck to Doha

I'm rooting for either Madrid or Istanbul.

Doha logo and the offical web site will be published to the world on Friday the 10th of Feb.... Good luck to Doha

Lol, everbody is presenting their logo.
But Istanbul? Sleeping...

not official...just fan made

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha2020-4.png

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/roma2020.jpg

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/madrid2020p.jpg

not official...just fan made

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha2020-4.png

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/roma2020.jpg

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/madrid2020p.jpg

that's not fair the Roma2020 logo is the ugliest!!! i am jocking ;)

Anyway you are very talented, these logos are beautiful (ihmo), and i think u made a great great job.
just a suggestion: candidate city in italian is "Città Candidata" but in 2004 we used for the logo "candidate city" in english
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Roma2004.png
;)

I like all, especially of Rome

i am afraid the official logo of rome will be this one. It's the same logo from the begin. I really don't know if they are going to present another one (i hope so :lol:).

http://cdn.blogosfere.it/roma/images/logoroma2020.jpg