We don't even know if they'll bid yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves!

We don't even know if they'll bid yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves!

they, who?

they, who?

Well the Italian bid committee. Who else? :ohno:

Indeed, Rome.

Decision will be known Feb 15th. It's in Monti's hands.

when is the last day for the applications?

Well the Italian bid committee. Who else? :ohno:

Calm down, i didn't understand wich was the subject, that's why i asked. There is no need to use that kind of emoticons.

Indeed, Rome.

Decision will be known Feb 15th. It's in Monti's hands.

Anyway i was talking about the logo, i don't think they will present another one (if Monti will say yes).
I hope now the post is more clear.

Baku wins poll on bid to host 2020 Olympic Games



According to the forecasts of the famous sport portal GamesBid, Baku is a favorite in the fight for hosting Olympic Games 2020.
By results of the poll Baku gained the highest number of votes among six cities. 50.63% of respondents answered ‘Baku’ to the question ‘Which city do you support in the bid for hosting Olympic Games 2020?’. Our capital city gained 10,252 votes and took its place above Istanbul (16.29%), Tokyo (12.86%), Madrid (10.89), Doha (5.61) and Rome (3.72).

CEO of the Steering Committee Baku-2020 Konul Nurullayeva commented on the results of the polls as follows:

“Such results of the poll are undoubtedly encouraging. GamesBids is quite an influential website, specialized in Olympic subject. Over 50% of votes is an impressive indicator. I am sure that if we get the right to host the Olympics, 2020 Games will be among the best in history”.



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According to the forecasts of the famous sport portal GamesBid, Baku is a favorite in the fight for hosting Olympic Games 2020.

According to a public internet poll you mean. Interesting that Baku supporters are rallying online support but not indicitve of anything that will reall affect the race.

This isn't the "forecast" of Gamesbids either. The site has its own BidIndex for Olympic races which uses statistics from past races to figure out likely trends in ongoing ones. They haven't released any numbers for 2020 yet, but let's just say I seriously doubt Baku will top it.

According to a public internet poll you mean. Interesting that Baku supporters are rallying online support but not indicitve of anything that will reall affect the race.

This isn't the "forecast" of Gamesbids either. The site has its own BidIndex for Olympic races which uses statistics from past races to figure out likely trends in ongoing ones. They haven't released any numbers for 2020 yet, but let's just say I seriously doubt Baku will top it.
I know they are overrating the public poll which in fact does not affect the race at all. At the same time I didn't get some other parts of your post. That is more than clear that Baku was one of the firsts to unveil logo, launch the website, make a promo clip and provide the bid application file to IOC and is waiting February 15 in order to provide the bid book which none of us have even seen yet. Taking into consideration all above mentioned how on earth could you say "not indicitve of anything that will reall affect the race"?

RobH. Come on. What would a race be without crazy people.

love it!http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

DOHA2020 bid logo
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/doha-2020-logo-applicant-city.jpg

http://www.designtagebuch.de/doha-praesentiert-logo-2020/

IMO the Istanbul logo will have

- bosphorus or bridge
- crescent
- tulip

:ohno:

Doha's logo is weird. It doesn't symbolize anything in regard to Qatar

http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g371/Afiq_Nadzir/logo-madrid2020--644x362-1.jpg

Till now, the best logos are:

1.Doha
2.Tokyo
3.Baku
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(gap)
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4.Madrid

What I hate in all of these logos, is that they all based strictly and exclusively on the main olympic colors (and using purple instead of black in some cases). Boring. Where all imagination and ispiration has gone??? I hope Istanbul will do a better job in this issue!

In previous bids, some of the bid cities had amazing bid logos:

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But 2020 logo-race, seems very weak.

Doha's logo is weird. It doesn't symbolize anything in regard to Qatar

Well nothing to do with Qatar...

The name Doha is derived from the Arabic word ‘ad-dawha’. In English this means ‘the nurturing tree’ and has been the inspirational driver for the Doha 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games logo.

‘ad-dawha’ is also referenced in Arabic poetry as a place of generosity where all birds were free to come and be nurtured. This concept of nurturing is central to Qatar’s past, present and future. In particular, our capital city Doha has become a place for all to experience, to learn in and grow from.

http://www.doha2020.qa
the web site for Doha bid

love-qatar, thanks for the info. My fault I didn't know that.

galandar... you are more than welcome

baku logo still my favorite.. by the way the buenos aires 2004 one is uniwue.. i liked it in that time so much. also istanbuls previous ones were good to so clever yet simple but gets botring 4th time :)

im expecting st like union, getting together harmony meeting of everything logo from istanbul this time.

del

next week we will know if Rome gets the approval of the italian government or not...stay tuned

How about Thursday or Friday? 1 and 2 days after the Applicant deadline?

Surely the IOC and/or bidding committees will reveal their applicant books, even if it's just mere pictures of them sending the documents.

Or is Italy foolish enough to go ahead with (assuming it's all complete and all, just waiting government approval) their applicant book sending? After all, it's just bound to be leaked eventually...

Rome 2020 abandons Olympic dreams – Italy drops out of bid race (http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/2020_bid_news/1216136092.html)

:ohno:

Madrid!!! as we say in spanish The third time's the charm


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at this point I am bit puzzled. What is the bid that will get the games? I guess Tokyo or Istanbul.

Madrid!!! as we say in spanish The third time's the charm


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If Italy is dropping the bid for mere economic reasons Spain should have already done since a long time.....

At this point is a race beetween Istanbul and Tokyo.

If Italy is dropping the bid for mere economic reasons Spain should have already done since a long time.....

I agree.

Tomorrow is the deadline for the candidates, right? WE don't have anything official from Istanbul now. Not even a logo!

If Italy is dropping the bid for mere economic reasons Spain should have already done since a long time.....

I wouldn't discard yet that, "somehow", Madrid doesn't meet the deadline.

If Italy is dropping the bid for mere economic reasons Spain should have already done since a long time.....


The difference is that Madrid has already built almost 80% of the venues, one of the best international airports and also one of the best and most modern metro systems. Therefore, the economic reasons are not reason not to choose Madrid :)

The difference is that Madrid has already built almost 80% of the venues, one of the best international airports and also one of the best and most modern metro systems. Therefore, the economic reasons are not reason not to choose Madrid :)

It's more of a "cosmetic" and PR thing than a financial one. Investing loads of money (which still needs to be done) for the Olympics while cutting every single budget line won't probably sit very well with... well, with mostly anyone. In and outside Spain, actually.

Even if it would be quite easy to get some financial benefit from it.

It's more of a "cosmetic" and PR thing than a financial one. Investing loads of money (which still needs to be done) for the Olympics while cutting every single budget line won't probably sit very well with... well, with mostly anyone. In and outside Spain, actually.

Even if it would be quite easy to get some financial benefit from it.

Most, not to say entire the inversion of Madrid's bid comes from the private sponsor. The remaining venues for building, not pose any excessive cost to the city because some of them as the Olympic Stadium, Madrid not cost anything. Also, being the 3rd time there is a row, most investments are already made

Well... so much for my predictions:

http://www.madrid2020.es/madrid-2020-entrega-el-cuestionario-con-alegria-y-muchisima-ilusion/

They submitted the dossier about half an hour ago.

Most, not to say entire the inversion of Madrid's bid comes from the private sponsor. The remaining venues for building, not pose any excessive cost to the city because some of them as the Olympic Stadium, Madrid not cost anything. Also, being the 3rd time there is a row, most investments are already made

I'm not discussing the numbers. Just the "cosmetics", as I said. Reality and PR don't always go together (as a PR professional I should know :p).

Rome bails out. Finito.

Arrivederci, Rome for now.

Well... so much for my predictions:

http://www.madrid2020.es/madrid-2020-entrega-el-cuestionario-con-alegria-y-muchisima-ilusion/

They submitted the dossier about half an hour ago.



I'm not discussing the numbers. Just the "cosmetics", as I said. Reality and PR don't always go together (as a PR professional I should know :p).


then we speak clearly: the city that has more "friends" wins, not the best bid (as has happened so far) ...

I do not understand the "cosmetics" ....

I do not understand the "cosmetics" ....

The Spanish government is on a quest to reduce budget deficit, as requested by international investors and EU partners. When bidding for the Olympics, the national government MUST guarantee that any potential deficit (that is, any potential financial loss) will be covered by the government.

That is: the government must accept the risk of losing money with the games. Read as: the government is willing to increase deficit just to get to organise the Olympic Games.

Deficit is the key word here. And that's what made Rome back down fromt is bid: the government was not willing to risk any further deficit. Which seems sensible to me.

I'm not against Madrid bidding, by any means. And I actually think it can be quite of a boost for local economy. But we still need HUGE investments done, not all of them covered by private sponsors, mostly in infrastructure (olympic village, anyone?). And I also don't think that investing in the olympics while cutting spending in healthcare and education will be happily accepted by many people.

The Spanish government is on a quest to reduce budget deficit, as requested by international investors and EU partners. When bidding for the Olympics, the national government MUST guarantee that any potential deficit (that is, any potential financial loss) will be covered by the government.

That is: the government must accept the risk of losing money with the games. Read as: the government is willing to increase deficit just to get to organise the Olympic Games.

Deficit is the key word here. And that's what made Rome back down fromt is bid: the government was not willing to risk any further deficit. Which seems sensible to me.

I'm not against Madrid bidding, by any means. And I actually think it can be quite of a boost for local economy. But we still need HUGE investments done, not all of them covered by private sponsors, mostly in infrastructure (olympic village, anyone?). And I also don't think that investing in the olympics while cutting spending in healthcare and education will be happily accepted by many people.


I agree with you that the deficit is an important issue to consider, but the Government of Spain has given its full support to the candidacy of Madrid. As you say, be a big boost for the economy and jobs for Madrid. And the remaining infrastructure to build, compared with the other candidate cities, Madrid does not require much inversion, at a cost affordable by the city. Most citizens of both Madrid and Spain see the candidacy as very positive

If Italy is dropping the bid for mere economic reasons Spain should have already done since a long time.....

+1 !

Spain has most of its venues in place, high government support, high popular support and experience in bidding. It's also a sports mad country who would put on a great show. It's not for us to say whether they're right to be in this race, it's for the people of Spain, its government and the IOC. For what it's worth, given that Madrid has so much in place already, I can't see an Olympics being anything other than a win-win for them. It'll give their country a good boost at a time when it needs it for relatively little outlay.

That's not to say I'm supporting Spain. Again, I'll wait for the bid books to come out before I decide who I want to win. But an Olympics, especially one as economical as Madrid's will be given that a lot of their construction has taken place, is a tiny expenditure when taken against GDP, national debt etc. There is no "right" or "wrong", it's up to the people.

Italy's decision is symbolic and political as much as anything. A country with an economy as big as Italy's, even in financially difficult times, can happily absorb and host an Olympics. However, a counry with a technocrat as leader whose mission is to cut public spending, understandably, cannot. That's why Italy and Spain are in different positions.

Baku 2020 Submits Bid Application Highlighting Four-Cluster Concept

Baku 2020 CEO Konul Nurullayeva headed a delegation to submit the bid's applicant file to International Olympic Committee (IOC) headquarters in Lausanne Tuesday.

Nurullayeva said on handing over the file, "reflecting our bid's tagline 'Together we can', Baku's Applicant File stresses that it is not simply about what the Olympic Games can do for Baku and Azerbaijan, but what the city and country can offer back to the Olympic Movement".

She added, "our Applicant File outlines a Games Plan that will extend the Olympic ideals to millions of new hearts and minds and one that will embrace five continents. It says that awarding Baku the honour of hosting the 2020 Games will give people around the world a true picture of Azeri culture, while at the same time bring a new found sporting confidence to a region that has not had the opportunity to witness first-hand the greatest sporting event on earth".

Baku 2020 says its compact concept is based around four clusters that include both competition and non-competition venues that integrate existing, new, permanent and temporary venues.

The Waterfront Cluster includes three competition venues hosting seven sports, while the White City Cluster will house the Olympic Village, Media Village, IBC/MPC and Athlete Training Centre, plus three adjacent competition venues.

The Airport Cluster makes use of enhanced existing sporting venues and fits in with the city's expansion plans for the Baku Expo Centre. At Games-time the Expo will host seven sports and will be a key Paralympic venue.

All competition venues, with the exception of three venues for the preliminary football competition, are within a 25-minute travel time of the Olympic Village.

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http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/2020_bid_news/1216136096.html

@RobH: Could you please remind me the cost (public) of London 2012 ?

So, do you really think that as an EU (especially as a French) taxpayer (and believe me I pay tons of taxes :mad:) I can't give my opinion regarding a Spanish/Madrid bid, considering how in bad shape their economy is !

After Greece and Italy, I don't want to pay for Spain too, especially if it's because of very dispensable olympic games/bid, as simple as that !

If Spain gets into Greece territory with its economy it won't be because of a one-off few billion spent on an Olympics, it really won't. It'll be because of big, ongoing, cumulative government expenditures that keep mounting and endemic structural problems with their economy as a whole. Furthermore, their Olympics won't be anything like the cost of London's - which involves the complete regeneration of a former industrial superb - given that most of the construction is already done in Madrid.

You can have an opinion of course, but whether this is the right thing to do is ultimately up to Spain, its people and its government. As I said, in my opinion the (relativley) small outlay a Madrid Olympics would be could be worth the economic and morale boost it will give the country.

If Italy is dropping the bid for mere economic reasons Spain should have already done since a long time.....

Keep it up wishing. OR inform yourself before talking about what we should do or not.

Actually, WE SHOULD NOT retire taking into account the investments WE ALREADY DID.

Tomorrow is the deadline for the candidates, right? WE don't have anything official from Istanbul now. Not even a logo!

tomorrow at 10.30 Te NOC vise president will give the dossier personally to IOC.

http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.php?page=news&cod=7307&tp=n

still at race and getting much more lucky after Rome s withdraw

and dont worry for madrid... germans and french tax payers can handle it like at athens 2004 before:)

Well... so much for my predictions:

http://www.madrid2020.es/madrid-2020-entrega-el-cuestionario-con-alegria-y-muchisima-ilusion/

They submitted the dossier about half an hour ago.



I'm not discussing the numbers. Just the "cosmetics", as I said. Reality and PR don't always go together (as a PR professional I should know :p).

PR can change anything into something else.. like red santa claus of coca cola:)

and dont worry for madrid... germans and french tax payers can handle it like at athens 2004 before:)

:| I don't know why the need of some of you to troll or spread flamme baits as a way to support the bid of your city.

German and French tax payers are not paying the infraestructures for the games to Madrid. Also, our debt came from the private sector polluting the public one, not because goverment overspent on infraestructures.

Anyway, I'm personally not worried. I want either Madrid or Tokyo to get the games so I have more chances of ending up happy than those who just support 1 city. :D

One thing I do not understand much ... Olympic Games 2000 Istanbul is the last of the candidates, Olympic Games 2004 Istanbul is presented and can not missing the cut of the IOC, Olympic Games 2008 Istanbul is 4 th of 5 candidates, Olympic Games 2012 Istanbul is eliminated with the lowest note of the IOC only overcome by Havana ... Why is the favorite now without seeing the dossier has never been among the best? The choice of venue for the Olympic Games, should win the best candidate

One thing I do not understand much ... Olympic Games 2000 Istanbul is the last of the candidates, Olympic Games 2004 Istanbul is presented and can not missing the cut of the IOC, Olympic Games 2008 Istanbul is 4 th of 5 candidates, Olympic Games 2012 Istanbul is eliminated with the lowest note of the IOC only overcome by Havana ... Why is the favorite now without seeing the dossier has never been among the best? The choice of venue for the Olympic Games, should win the best candidate
It is also a great mystery for me. Does anybody knows the reason IOC didn't shortlist Istanbul right after the 2008 race where it took 4th place among 5 qualified candidates?

@RobH: Could you please remind me the cost (public) of London 2012 ?

So, do you really think that as an EU (especially as a French) taxpayer (and believe me I pay tons of taxes :mad:) I can't give my opinion regarding a Spanish/Madrid bid, considering how in bad shape their economy is !

After Greece and Italy, I don't want to pay for Spain too, especially if it's because of very dispensable olympic games/bid, as simple as that !

I didn't understand the last phrase. When have you paid for Italy? :nuts:

It is also a great mystery for me. Does anybody knows the reason IOC didn't shortlist Istanbul right after the 2008 race where it took 4th place among 5 qualified candidates?

Because in the 2012 race, the other candidates/bids were much stronger I guess: London, Paris, New York, Moscow, Madrid etc

I didn't understand the last phrase. When have you paid for Italy? :nuts:

;)
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The New York Times (May 2010)


And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

Are you serious?

;)

And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France ;) & Germany) some financial helps...

Italy has never asked for financial helps. We don't need it, don't worry ;)
Also because Europe doesn't have the money to save a big economy like Italy..so if we sink, we carry with us the entire continent.

;)
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The New York Times (May 2010)


And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

Ouch XD So glad to be living in Canada, if I were european I'd be pissing my pants in fear.

Qatar yesterday celebrated it first ever "National Sport day" !! :banana:

http://www.olympic.qa/SiteCollectionImages/News/2012/February/1/pic-sportday-31-1-2011.jpg

The second Tuesday of February is to be celebrated as National Sports Day in Qatar from the year 2012. Many series of sports events would be held through the country in both Public and Private sectors to emphasize sports among its population - national & expat.

""""Qatar becomes one of the few nations to dedicate a day for sports.""""

Activities took place Nation wide: Doha corniche, MIA Park, Aspire Park, Aspire zone, Education City(Qatar foundation), Qatar University, Katara, all sport clubs and facilities.

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National Sport Day along with other initiatives such as the Schools Olympic Program, Aspire Academy and the Women's Sport Committee are major building blocks towards a healthy sport driven society and key to Qatar's national vision or 2030 to become a knowledge based economy.

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This is why Qatar is investing heavily in sports, this is why the nation is hosting major sport events, Doha 2020 Olympics is no exception.

Qatar is hosting: 2015 IHF Handball championship, 2021 FIFA confederations cup & 2022 FIFA World Cup.

Qatar is also bidding for: 2018 FIVB Volleyball championship, 2019 IAAF & 2020 Olympics.

;)
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The New York Times (May 2010)


And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

Tell us when you understand that graphic because if you relate it with your taxes, obviously you don't understand it (and it doesn't tell the huge amount of money that UK owes Spain nor the fact that, for example, France also owes money to Spain).

The main problem of Spain is not Public Debt (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/06/19/europe.debt.explainer/index.html). Is unemployment and private debt.

And "Spain owes X€ to France" in fact means "Spain owes X€ to some french banks" so it have nothing to do with your taxes.

Baku 2020 Submits Bid Application Highlighting Four-Cluster Concept
One of those clusters will be located within the project Baku White City. As you may heard Azerbaijan has started the actual realization of BWC in 2011 so in my opinion there is a good chance that both projects will boost each other.

For additional information on Olympic Village in BWC please go to http://www.bakuwhitecity.com

And "Spain owes X€ to France" in fact means "Spain owes X€ to some french banks" so it have nothing to do with your taxes.

And when the French banks are in trouble (e.g. in 2008-2009 and later), who foots the bill according to you ?? ;)

Not to mention that the French State (i.e. the French taxpayers) owns shares in most of the large French banks.

Enough of financials and sovereign crisis. I've already got to deal with that at work everyday, so I'm not going to get into it in a forum. :D

But... don't buy too much into the notion that most of the infraestructure needed for the games is already built in Madrid. It's not. Venues are just part of the equation... and even when talking about venues, there're quite a few still needed.

And we're about to find out just how much public money will go into it. As far as I understood, the private money will pay just for the bidding process. If Madrid gets the games, I'm afraid that a huge amount of public money will be needed.

Olympic Village

Concept Materplan - ATKINS

One of the largest districts of Baku White City was designed as part of Baku city's bid to host the Olympic Games in the year 2020.

Proposed Olympic Village is planned to accommodate residential apartments for around 18000 athletes and officials, along with media and broadcasting centers, tennis stadiums, velodrome and BMX, and large areas of open space, including continuation of Waterfront Boulevard.

PROGRAM:

- The Olympic Village for a 18000 population (213000 sqm)
- The Media Village for a 16000 population (187000 sqm)
- International Broadcast Center (48700 sqm)
- A Tennis Stadium (72300 sqm)
- Velodrome and BMX track (50800 sqm)

LEGACY:

After the Games, the Olympic Village intends to be a lasting legacy of es-sential new housing for City, by transforming it into a new residences and public spaces and expanding the City towards existing developments in eastern part of Baku.

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Source: www.bakuwhitecity.com

And when the French banks are in trouble (e.g. in 2008-2009 and later), who foots the bill according to you ?? ;)

Not to mention that the French State (i.e. the French taxpayers) owns shares in most of the large French banks.

If your banks need taxpayers money to survive I think that France is in troubles (of course, also have happened in Spain, but not with any major bank). But if you think that your banks are doing us a favour buying Spanish public debt you are wrong. We both beneficiate from that. In fact the ECB had to buy some Spanish debt (and they "created" that money, it's not taxpayers money) in order to help us to decrease the interests that we were paying because they were rising very fast... and ECB got 1000 milions of € of revenues with those operations. (Of course they "deleted" that money to avoid inflation).

Again, the major problems in Spain are private debt (not public one) and unemployment. I think that the local and regional government of madrid with the help of the. central government would be able to host the games without any problem. I think that one of our main problems would be building hotels to that amount of people because we have almost every kind of infraestructure there,

It's an interesting topic but we are getting off-topic. :(

^^ Agree with your last sentence ;) ! (BTW, if you want to discuss such topics, there are several threads about that in the DLM and in the SSC global SkyBar :yes:)

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Oh, just a last thing :angel::

Europe doesn't have the money to save a big economy like Italy..so if we sink, we carry with us the entire continent.

Maybe, but the French public opinion wants more and more, regarding the EU/Eurozone, that France does exactly the same as the Costa Concordia Captain did.... if you see what I mean... :D

Yes, and now the Costa Concordia Captain is in very big troubles :lol:

ps: the French economic situation isn't that much better.. :|

^^ Agree with your last sentence ;) ! (BTW, if you want to discuss such topics, there are several threads about that in the DLM and in the SSC global SkyBar :yes:)

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Oh, just a last thing :angel::



Maybe, but the French public opinion wants more and more, regarding the EU/Eurozone, that France does exactly the same as the Costa Concordia Captain did.... if you see what I mean... :D

I agree this is off-topic, but you were one of the starters of this off-topic so now you have to accept people coming up with a rebuttal.

Or just let Spain to decide what we want to do and the same for all the other candidates and let's go back on topic.

Or just let Spain to decide what we want to do

I didn't know that I personally had a veto power !! I'm more than glad to read that my humble opinion has such a "power" over you, my dears.... :bowtie:


:|

I didn't know that I personally had a veto power !! I'm more than glad to read that my humble opinion has such a "power" over you, my dears.... :bowtie:


:|

^^ If you cut the sarcasm, you'll notice I was just talking about bringing that issue out... If you say X country should retire for the games becayse of Y, you have to expect people coming up with a rebuttal against Y... Instead crying that people should discuss that elsewhere while you are still at it (and actually started it).

That's quite cynical and what I was talking about, not that you had veto power or that I gave a shit about your opinion (Spain will do as she pleases anyway).

The Rome bid for the 2020 Summer Olympics was withdrawn on February 14, 2012, due to a lack of support from the government, stating that it would not be a responsible use of money in Italy's current condition.

Again, the major problems in Spain are private debt (not public one) and unemployment. I think that the local and regional government of madrid with the help of the. central government would be able to host the games without any problem. I think that one of our main problems would be building hotels to that amount of people because we have almost every kind of infraestructure there,

It's an interesting topic but we are getting off-topic. :(

It is exactly the opposite in Italy where the major problem is the public debt( that the new government is facing with harsh measures) while the private savings in Italy are way above the European average. And another difference is that Itay is the second manufacturing economy in Europe after Germany.

Istanbul 2020 website:http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr./index.html

I dont like the logo :ohno:

Istanbul 2020 website:http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr./index.html

I dont like the logo :ohno:


Logo will be announced at the IOC Executive Board Meeting in Quebec, Canada (23/05/2012 - 25/05/2012)!

^^ Well that's a bit silly, reveal the logo on the day (or days leading up to) in which the IOC says if you are a candidate or not.

Granted that Istanbul is highly likely to become a candidate, it seems like a very bad move. Just imagine revealing the logo in Quebec City on the 23rd, only to be told on the 25th that you are not selected as a candidate? Absurd! :P

^^ ouch :lol: i don't think it will happen though ,,.

Unemployment is 25% in Spain, is this really a good idea for Madrid ??? I think they have bigger problems to deal with first,,.

yet Madrid still stands a better chance than.... D'oh!a

^^ ouch :lol: i don't think it will happen though ,,.

Unemployment is 25% in Spain, is this really a good idea for Madrid ??? I think they have bigger problems to deal with first,,.

It's up to the people of Madrid and its government to deicde that, not us. Polls I've seen suggest there is popular support, and the government obviously thinks the Games will be good for the economy. So if they want to be considered, I don't see why it's any of our business to say otherwise.

The IOC is going to places like Brazil and China. Places with favellas and rural poverty on a massive scale. Perhaps they should have sorted out their (much) bigger problems "first" also?

yet Madrid still stands a better chance than.... D'oh!a

Tsk tsk tsk, 2022 wounds are still open :lol:

I prefer the Olympics to go to nations that never held it before, not to mention ones with better economies and no major problems, so...

Baku, Doha & Istanbul for the win !!! :banana:

He's right though. We don't even know if Doha will be shortlisted. We know Madrid will be. For now, that puts Madrid ahead.

It's up to the people of Madrid and its government to deicde that, not us. Polls I've seen suggest there is popular support, and the government obviously thinks the Games will be good for the economy. So if they want to be considered, I don't see why it's any of our business to say otherwise.

The IOC is going to places like Brazil and China. Places with favellas and rural poverty on a massive scale. Perhaps they should have sorted out their (much) bigger problems "first" also?

Remember the issues with Tibet and the human rights record of China ?
What about the struggle of finishing the venues for the 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics..

Does the IOC want to get into more problems ?

He's right though. We don't even know if Doha will be shortlisted. We know Madrid will be. For now, that puts Madrid ahead.

This is the problem with the very complicated IOC, we can have 3,4 or even 5 short listed cities. I'm hoping that all five make it through to candidate cities, but I feel it's going to be a 3 city race.

Remember the issues with Tibet and the human rights record of China ?
What about the struggle of finishing the venues for the 2014 WC and 2016 Olympics..

Does the IOC want to get into more problems ?


The IOC will get problems wherever it goes because Olympic Games are bloody complicated and unwiedly. No country doesn't have problems it couldn't sort out "first". The question is whether the country, its people and the IOC consider those problems too much for a bid to be viable, not whether you or I do.

In Spain's case, the people and the government see a bid as viable and affordable. They could, if they decided, sort out the economic issues "first" but they don't think that's necessary. Whether the IOC thinks the same is, of course, a different question but they'll never know the answer unless they bid.

I might not support Madrid, but I don't begrudge them the right to bid if that's what they want. I don't think it's necessary for a country to sort out its problems "first". If that were the case we'd never have any Olympics anywhere.

^^ ouch :lol: i don't think it will happen though ,,.

Unemployment is 25% in Spain, is this really a good idea for Madrid ??? I think they have bigger problems to deal with first,,.

You do know that the Olympic games are in 8 years?

8 years ago, Spain was in an economic boom and Turkey had just come out of its own crisis. You really think that the crisis in Spain will last for almost another decade?

From what I've read today, Madrid will need to invest around $2bln (that's something like €1.75bln) should it get to host the games. They also said that all of it will be private money... but I pretty much doubt it.

First of all, and most important, I actually think more money will be needed. The whole stadium area must be redeveloped. Loads of money need to be put in there.

And second: that's something like €250mln a year of private investment. HUGE amount of money. I don't see how anyone is going to finance that (things made worse with the terrible shape of our financial sector), at least for the first two or three years.

I'd bet that public money's going to be needed to do this. Not that I'm against it. It'd be a nice little boost to local economy, and even thoug the numbers look big, in the grand scheme of things, it's not really that much. But if there's going to be public money involved, at the very least I'd like our politicians to be clear about it.

About the shortlisted cities, I'd say that is going to be a three city race with Madrid, Istanbul and Tokio involved, and that the winner will be either Madrid or Tokyo. Nothing against Istanbul, and I think that they'll get their games in a relative short time, just not on this ocasion.

And when choosing between Madrid and Tokyo, the thing will mostly be if IOC wants to award the games to a city that never hosted them, or to the capital of a country recovering from a devastating earthquake (as some kind of symbolic "help" by the IOC).

I honestly don't know which of those arguments has the most impact among voters.

You do know that the Olympic games are in 8 years?

8 years ago, Spain was in an economic boom and Turkey had just come out of its own crisis. You really think that the crisis in Spain will last for almost another decade?

Don't worry, Alrayyan is just Qatari ! (= La Grenouille qui veut se faire aussi grosse que le Boeuf * :laugh:)



* "The Frog who aspired to become as big as the Ox"
Une Grenouille vit un Bœuf
Qui lui sembla de belle taille.
Elle qui n'était pas grosse en tout comme un œuf,
Envieuse s'étend, et s'enfle, et se travaille
Pour égaler l'animal en grosseur,
Disant : Regardez bien, ma sœur ;
Est-ce assez ? dites-moi ; n'y suis-je point encore ?
Nenni. M'y voici donc ? Point du tout. M'y voilà ?
Vous n'en approchez point. La chétive pécore
S'enfla si bien qu'elle creva.
Le monde est plein de gens qui ne sont pas plus sages :
Tout bourgeois veut bâtir comme les grands seigneurs,
Tout petit prince a des ambassadeurs,
Tout marquis veut avoir des pages.

A Frog espied an Ox that seemed to her of a noble size.
She, no bigger than an egg,
Envious, stretches, puffs up and labours
To match the animal in size,
Saying: 'Hey watch me sister;
Is this enough? tell me; am I there yet?
-No way! -How about now? -Not at all. - Is that it ?
You aren't even close.' The puny, pretentious creature
Swelled up so much that she croaked.
The world is full of people who aren't too wise:
People with some money wish to build like royalty,
Every minor prince has ambassadors,
Every marquis wants servants.

Jean de La Fontaine (around 1665)

Today it has the dossier presented the candidacy of Madrid 2020. Note that with capital investment will be 100% private therefore not cost anything to the city or the central government (at all saying that Madrid has no money, I hope not to say it again). The project is very similar to 2016.
In this news in Spanish something more detailed about the candidacy

http://www.abc.es/20120216/local-madrid/abci-jjoo-201202151917.html

Don't worry, Alrayyan is just Qatari ! (= La Grenouille qui veut se faire aussi grosse que le Boeuf * :laugh:)

* "The Frog who aspired to become as big as the Ox"

Jean de La Fontaine (around 1665)

Instead of mocking people around, be useful and state some facts that what madrid is doing sounds fine, im not against it, it just seems alarming to me.

25% unemployment and 100% private funding doesnt sound good. Did any other city in the past organise the entire olympics fully funded by the private sector? ?!

What if this socalled private funding joins the recession affected side and bails out. What then?

Instead of mocking people around, be useful and state some facts that what madrid is doing sounds fine, im not against it, it just seems alarming to me.

25% unemployment and 100% private funding doesnt sound good. Did any other city in the past organise the entire olympics fully funded by the private sector? ?!

What if this socalled private funding joins the recession affected side and bails out. What then?


It will not be a 100% private financing of the Olympic Games since the 80% of the infrastructure is already built with public money. Therefore private funding will cover 100% of the remainder to build

Good luck to Doha for when they try to buy out the IOC :)

Instead of mocking people around, be useful and state some facts that what madrid is doing sounds fine, im not against it, it just seems alarming to me.

25% unemployment and 100% private funding doesnt sound good. Did any other city in the past organise the entire olympics fully funded by the private sector? ?!

What if this socalled private funding joins the recession affected side and bails out. What then?

Los Angeles 1984 and Atlanta 1996 (Don't know about Salt Lake City).

Both of which are US cities that got a profit in the end.

Utilize as much existing venues as possible and fund the rest either by Olympics budget alone (most likely for temporary venues) and Private Sector funding for permanent ones.

The only closest Public Sector funding for say Atlanta was general infrastructure projects like their rail network.

official web page
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/

i like te turquoise colour and Seljuk patterns... soft and clear image

Baku+2020= Summer Olimpic Games

Good luck to Doha for when they try to buy out the IOC :)

Oh, don't worry. It's kinda easy.

^^ No it isn't. After the Salt Lake City bid scandal, for their 2002 Winter Olympics. The IOC has put forward a set of strict rules in regards to the acceptance of gifts, bribes etc which it will not accept under any circumstances. These rules can be found in the Candidate Acceptance Procedure Report.

^^ Are you THAT naive ? :laugh:

It's up to the people of Madrid and its government to deicde that, not us. Polls I've seen suggest there is popular support, and the government obviously thinks the Games will be good for the economy. So if they want to be considered, I don't see why it's any of our business to say otherwise.

The IOC is going to places like Brazil and China. Places with favellas and rural poverty on a massive scale. Perhaps they should have sorted out their (much) bigger problems "first" also?

Totally agree

^^ Are you THAT naive ? :laugh:

Aherm, the IOC has learned from the past. They won't be accepting bribes from anyone, especially Doha, especially since they and everyone else KNOWS that Qatar bribed FIFA to get the 2022 World Cup.

Any form of bribe from anyone will automatically get that city banned. They don't want to risk it.

Now whose naive? :banana:

the most important time of votings will be when madrid tokyo and istanbul left the last 3.
it will be the break point of 2020 race
both 3 will be around 30 to 40 votes, if madrid elliminates istanbul gets the games, if istanbul elliminate tokyo will get the games,and if tokyo elliminates i dont know but again istanbul can be the winner.

Sure...

The race for the 2017 World Athletics was probably a stronger indicator of Qatar's chances than the 2022 World Cup. Doha offered the IAAF pretty big sums in their bid (all above board) but they went with London:

The Doha bid is coming to a close, and the Big Man is ready to apply the finishing touches. Here comes Sheikh Saoud Bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani off the long run. "Our government is ready to invest heavily in your event," he says. He promises an investment of $80 million to host the 2017 championships, plus a further $120 million to redevelop the Khalifa Stadium and install state-of-the-art air cooling, plus $29 million in sponsorship for events like the Diamond Leauge and the World Series. That's not including the $7.2 million it is also committing to pay for the 2017 prize money.

Why did they choose London instead of this? Well...this from earlier in the vote was very revealing:

'Reporters are not allowed in the IAAF council room but are following events by live video feed. This has just caused a few red faces among IAAF officials because journalists started to receive an audio feed of IAAF senior vice-president Bob Hersh giving his evaluation report of the two bids, which was not meant to be for public consumption. Encouragingly for London, he raised the issue of athletics crowds in Doha emptying the stadium long before the end of the meeting, as happened at this season's Diamond League event. Alas, the audio then snapped off.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/athletics/8883611/World-Athletics-Championships-2017-vote-live.html


Doha could put up a good fight but they'll have a huge task to get the majority of the IOC behind them.

Baku applicant file is available in the link:

http://baku2020.com/applicantfile/

^^ Baku.... What A safe Bid is. Must be Spread & Like It!!! Awesomely Cool!!! :banana:

The Doha 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games Bid Committee today unveiled its plans to host one of the most accessible, ‘fan friendly’ Games in modern history, with a focus on utilizing existing and planned sports venues in five Sports Zones.

The plans include:

91% of sports venues already built or already planned and budgeted for as part of the Qatar National Vision 2030

No need for any new, permanent sports venues, or Games-related infrastructure investment, ensuring only minimal additional spending would be required to stage the 2020 Games

Average travel times for all athletes and media from the Games Centre of no more than 21 minutes to every single competition venue – these will become even faster with planned transport improvements

Opening and Closing ceremonies to take place at the new Lusail National Stadium [the venue for the opening match and final of the 2022 FIFA World Cup]

Khalifa Stadium to be upgraded to a 60,000 capacity dedicated Athletics stadium

Doha’s new $21 billion metro system will link to 78% of all sports venues

50,000 hotel rooms and serviced apartments will be within 15km of the majority of Games venues

The compact hosting plan, world class transport system and location of accommodation will ensure spectators can watch several events in a single day

Almost half of all Games tickets will be priced at less than $25

Legacy developments include the region’s first women’s High Performance Training Centre, and the only Olympic-standard Velodrome in the Middle East

Doha 2020 also confirmed that it proposes to host the Olympic Games between 2 October and 18 October, and the Paralympic Games between 4 November and 15 November, to ensure ideal conditions for athletes and spectators.

Its gonna be Cape Town South Africa if the 2010 world cup is very successful. IOC president recently visited South Africa and said the country will be perfect for an olympic game.http://www.slowliving.info/zhao3.jpghttp://www.slowliving.info/zhao2.jpghttp://www.slowliving.info/zhao4.jpg

My ranking of the 2020 Olympic applicant cities:

1. Istanbul (tie)
2. Baku (tie)
3. Tokyo
4. Madrid
5. Doha (underdog)

The Doha 2020 Olympic and Paralympic Games Bid Committee today unveiled its plans to host one of the most accessible, ‘fan friendly’ Games in modern history, with a focus on utilizing existing and planned sports venues in five Sports Zones.

The plans include:

91% of sports venues already built or already planned and budgeted for as part of the Qatar National Vision 2030

No need for any new, permanent sports venues, or Games-related infrastructure investment, ensuring only minimal additional spending would be required to stage the 2020 Games

Average travel times for all athletes and media from the Games Centre of no more than 21 minutes to every single competition venue – these will become even faster with planned transport improvements

Opening and Closing ceremonies to take place at the new Lusail National Stadium [the venue for the opening match and final of the 2022 FIFA World Cup]

Khalifa Stadium to be upgraded to a 60,000 capacity dedicated Athletics stadium

Doha’s new $21 billion metro system will link to 78% of all sports venues

50,000 hotel rooms and serviced apartments will be within 15km of the majority of Games venues

The compact hosting plan, world class transport system and location of accommodation will ensure spectators can watch several events in a single day

Almost half of all Games tickets will be priced at less than $25

Legacy developments include the region’s first women’s High Performance Training Centre, and the only Olympic-standard Velodrome in the Middle East

Doha 2020 also confirmed that it proposes to host the Olympic Games between 2 October and 18 October, and the Paralympic Games between 4 November and 15 November, to ensure ideal conditions for athletes and spectators.

The Venues' Plans remind me with Rio 2016 Venue Plan (the same main stadium for FIFA World Cup & Olympics), But, why October (as during Seoul 1988 & Tokyo 1964 Olympiad)? :?

Sorry for Double Post

According to Tokyo 2020 application file, they'll renovate or rebuild the main stadium. try compare the current map & the plan if they surely make 80k seats stadium.

The Venues' Plans remind me with Rio 2016 Venue Plan (the same main stadium for FIFA World Cup & Olympics), But, why October (as during Seoul 1988 & Tokyo 1964 Olympiad)? :?

And Don't forget Mexico City 1968. It all has to do with weather. Qatar is extremely hot during June/July/August, so they want to host the Olympics in October, where the weather is more bearable. Like their 2016 bid, they won't win on account of the dates factor, which is not ideal for the International Federations and North American broadcasters.

Aherm, the IOC has learned from the past. They won't be accepting bribes from anyone, especially Doha, especially since they and everyone else KNOWS that Qatar bribed FIFA to get the 2022 World Cup.

Any form of bribe from anyone will automatically get that city banned. They don't want to risk it.

Now whose naive? :banana:

you still don't quite get it dude...

Quite get what, you think Doha is stupid enough to give the IOC a bribe, especially since it has the dates against them?

FIFA was different as it's now what the IOC was in 1998, corrupt.

Doha will not win, of course and they can complain all they want. They'll end up bidding time and time again until the IOC gets tired of them and finally gives them the games. One of the worst in recent memory. There will be no bribes involved as that would prevent Doha from hosting ever (alternatively if Dubai decides to bid at some point, the IOC would probably award the games to them instead of Doha).

Read the acceptance report, bribes are a no go and one way to effectively kill your bid, the days of IOC corruption are over.

lol, where is Istanbul's plan?

With the IOC, where it matters.

But annoying it's not public yet.

The whole Istanbul bid process is weired. No logo, no plans. Off. website still u/c.

So when doees the IOC meet to announce the shortlist? :D

The whole Istanbul bid process is weired. No logo, no plans. Off. website still u/c.
I suppose Turkey is not interested in Olympics 2020 as much as in EURO and EXPO to be held in the same year. Perhaps it is due to the fact it is more prepared to the above-mentioned events. Moreover, in that case not only Istanbul but also the rest regions would benefit from that on an equal basis. Well, I can understand this point.

And Don't forget Mexico City 1968. It all has to do with weather. Qatar is extremely hot during June/July/August, so they want to host the Olympics in October, where the weather is more bearable. Like their 2016 bid, they won't win on account of the dates factor, which is not ideal for the International Federations and North American broadcasters.

Yeah. I've known it will be ":nuts:" plan holding it in October. What their motivitation, actually? Had never the Olympiad held in Arab States yet :?

The whole Istanbul bid process is weired. No logo, no plans. Off. website still u/c.

^^ Perfectly Agree with you, Sir. :ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::nuts:

I suppose Turkey is not interested in Olympics 2020 as much as in EURO and EXPO to be held in the same year. Perhaps it is due to the fact it is more prepared to the above-mentioned events. Moreover, in that case not only Istanbul but also the rest regions would benefit from that on an equal basis. Well, I can understand this point.

Erdogan said priority is Olympics.

Erdogan said priority is Olympics.
Let's hope so :cheers:

Baku 2020 - Be inspired!

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Good vedio for Baku

Good luck to Doha :)

Instead of displaying the image of Baku Crystal Hall, have inserted a picture of the sports venues of the Shenzhen Universiade 2011.

Instead of displaying the image of Baku Crystal Hall, have inserted a picture of the sports venues of the Shenzhen Universiade 2011.

same design

Instead of displaying the image of Baku Crystal Hall, have inserted a picture of the sports venues of the Shenzhen Universiade 2011.
I agree. Although both designs are pretty similar to each other showing renderings of arena in China was not very good idea.

same design

If I were one of the organizers of the Shenzhen Universiade, I do not sit very well that first imitate the design of sporting venues, and even less than I would like promotional videos put pictures of the stadiums of the Chinese city.

Baku as a candidate city is really growing on me...Maybe it ll be the dark horse which will win in the end!

Baku winning personally would not bother me at all as it woldnt be Doha winning :)

If Doha wins, then there's no such thing as an Olympic main stadium anymore. I will oppose Doha's bid for the 2020 Summer Olympics and support either Baku, Istanbul, or Tokyo.

^^ Doha is merely copying Rio on account that they both happen to be hosting the Olympics and World Cup 2 years apart. The idea of a separate ceremonies venue is fine, but having the same thing twice in a row may not be so great.

If I were one of the organizers of the Shenzhen Universiade, I do not sit very well that first imitate the design of sporting venues, and even less than I would like promotional videos put pictures of the stadiums of the Chinese city.

Baku Crystal Hall was designed by the same architect and yes I agree with you its not a good idea to put up a picture of a stadium in Chinese city

Dubai is awesome!http://www.poci.info/gif2

^^ Yet they're not bidding for 2020. :ohno:

Is the Lusail Iconic Stadium in Doha or in Al Daayen?
The Olympic Charter (34.1): "The Opening and Closing Ceremonies must take place in the host city itself"

An article about this point (in spanish):
http://olimpismo2007.blogspot.com/2012/02/juegos-olimpicos-2020-las-candidatas.html

^^ The Lusail Iconic Stadium is in... Lusail :D

In the case of Madrid, the information about the sporting venues is really good, for the olympics it's needed to have 36 venues, nowadays in the city there are 27 and 7 to build and 2 temporal.
In those which must be built, we find the Olympic stadium, which is being remodelated today to become the new stadium of Athletic football club (when during the games the spanish league is off), and of course they are paying this remodelation.
Other building to build is the expansion of the International fair of Madrid, one of the most succesful in the world, and it's pretty solvent, that expansion will be used for the most of indoor sports (taekwondo, fight, etc) and paid by the Fair.
The bascketball centre will be paid by Real Madrid football club (the richest club on earth) to become the headquartiers of the bascketball team in the sporting city of the Team.
The other 3 venues will be in the same way, except rowing which will be public, becoming the first rowing centre in Madrid.

So, the investment in sporting venues will be very low, just the rowing centre and the temporal buildings.
The biggest amount of money the city will invest will be in the olympic villa, but after the games it will become in social housing with very low prices, but covering the initial investment, so the spending will be 0.

Despite the fact that the city will spend almost nothing and the 90% is built, I think IOC like a lot to help develop the second and third world countries, so, Istambul is probably the best option in that case, following Beijing and Rio, but things have changed since London olympic changes and the crisis, they will choose the safest (the less investment needed), but all are suppositions.


And some pictures of the stadium (after the olympics):

http://es.globedia.com/imagenes/noticias/2011/12/5/atletico-madrid-presenta-estadio_1_997964.jpg
http://estaticos.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2011/12/05/futbol/1323117010_1.jpg
http://www.palcodeportivo.com/img/Futbol_Nacional/Nueva_Peineta/Peineta1.jpg
http://www.palcodeportivo.com/img/Futbol_Nacional/Nueva_Peineta/Peineta5.jpg
http://www.palcodeportivo.com/img/Futbol_Nacional/Nueva_Peineta/Peineta6.jpg
http://www.palcodeportivo.com/img/Futbol_Nacional/Nueva_Peineta/Peineta7.jpg

More information: www.madrid2020.es

^^ I still respecting their decision to use Estadio la Peineta. But, won't it will be the smallest Olympic Stadium since 2004 Summer Olympics?! :?
after 2000 Summer Olympics, IOC never get the main stadium smaller than 72k seats.

^^ I still respecting their decision to use Estadio la Peineta. But, won't it will be the smallest Olympic Stadium since 2004 Summer Olympics?! :?
after 2000 Summer Olympics, IOC never get the main stadium smaller than 72k seats.

Madrid can do as Rio, using the Olympic Stadium La Peineta (60,000 seats) for athletics and the Olympic ceremonies in Santiago Bernabeu Stadium (86,000 seats) and it may even expand the capacity

They're not proposing that though. Their bid document has everything at this stadium. So it'll be the smallest stadium to host an Olympic ceremony since Barcelon in 1992 should they win. For athletics it'll be the same size as Rio for years earlier.

They're not proposing that though. Their bid document has everything at this stadium. So it'll be the smallest stadium to host an Olympic ceremony since Barcelon in 1992 should they win. For athletics it'll be the same size as Rio for years earlier.


I know that all events are in the Olympic Stadium, it was a joke. My opinion is that Madrid has presented a more realistic project. During the Olympic Games only full the stadium in the two opening and closing ceremonies, the remaining days is usually half empty. And after the Olympic Games to want a mega stadium? Madrid is not needed. Therefore, to provide a stadium with a capacity that can be filled during the games and then have a fixed use is very reasonable

I know that all events are in the Olympic Stadium, it was a joke. My opinion is that Madrid has presented a more realistic project. During the Olympic Games only full the stadium in the two opening and closing ceremonies, the remaining days is usually half empty. And after the Olympic Games to want a mega stadium? Madrid is not needed. Therefore, to provide a stadium with a capacity that can be filled during the games and then have a fixed use is very reasonable

Apologies, really didn't get that you were joking.

Madrid's proposal is a double-edged sword in reality. Getting a football club to build it and use it afterwards makes things easier for a host city, but harder for a bidding city.

Previous Madrid bids had a permanant athletics legacy. This is now gone, so that may harm Madrid's chances of hosting in the first place given the powerful athletics lobby within the IOC.

BTW, watch London this summer; athletics is sold-out throughout the Games. No sessions, not even the morning ones, will have blocks of empty seats, and there'll certainly never be a half-empty stadium. The IOC will be looking to build on the ticketing success of London's Games so if Madrid is to win don't mention half-empty stadiums during the Olympic athletics! :lol:

But we must be realistic and we all know that stadiums are not filled. The Madrid Olympic Stadium will not be for athletics after it will build another smaller stage in the center of town and to leave the Olympic Stadium for football, which will use all year fixed

Out of the five bidding cities (Doha, Madrid, Tokyo, Istanbul, and Baku), only Istanbul has not submitted its application file.

Wrong, all cities have submitted their file.

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/2020_bid_news/1216136097.html

Istanbul hasn't made its public yet, that's all.

^^ Which is partly the reason why Istanbul is not necessarily the strongest in the bid race at the moment. Even if they do have a technically superior bid, the lack of proper logo, failure (as of present) to reveal their bid file publicly and the largely incomplete website, is proof of this.

You can state the the tortoise and the hare story as much as you like, but people will always remember stuff like this, even members of the IOC.

^^ Which is partly the reason why Istanbul is not necessarily the strongest in the bid race at the moment. Even if they do have a technically superior bid, the lack of proper logo, failure (as of present) to reveal their bid file publicly and the largely incomplete website, is proof of this.

You can state the the tortoise and the hare story as much as you like, but people will always remember stuff like this, even members of the IOC.

No matter ... To the IOC is not important, will win anyway...

^^ Which is partly the reason why Istanbul is not necessarily the strongest in the bid race at the moment. Even if they do have a technically superior bid, the lack of proper logo, failure (as of present) to reveal their bid file publicly and the largely incomplete website, is proof of this.

You can state the the tortoise and the hare story as much as you like, but people will always remember stuff like this, even members of the IOC.

Will they really? A credible technical plan, a strong narrative and a strong finish is what is needed; tortoise and hare is perfectly good as an analogy. Presentation a year or two out isn't going to have an effect.

Does anyone remember Barbara Cassani still (Google her if not)? Or the criticisms of some of the far-flung venues in London's applicant file?

And discussion four-years ago on forums like this and Gamesbids had Chicago as the frontrunner with lots of people questioning whether Rio would even shortlist.

I agree with a lot of your posts David, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Istanbul has big issues with regard to its venue plan if past races are anything to go by; but having a slightly naff website a year and a half out from the vote and other such trivial things won't stick in anyone's mind.

^^ If there's no need for logos and websites, then what's the point of doing such things?

It's all about the brand as well as the technical stuff, if you are selected as a Candidate, then it's mostly the brand as technically you are capable of being host at that point.

The fact that Istanbul wants to unveil their so-called logo in May during the IOC acceptance session in Quebec sort of makes a point on the unprofessional-ism of the bid.

At this stage Istanbul is being canny at best, tardy at worst. And I never said there was no need for logos and websites, just disagreeing with you that these late public reveals will be remembered in the final shake-up.

As I said, London had a fairly ineffective leader - in terms of lobbying - at this stage of their bid who was later replaced by Coe. London's applicant file was also criticised for having some venues out in the Home Counties rather than in London. Both these things were remedied and neither remembered by the time of the final vote, and both are much more vital than what you're criticising Istanbul for now.

I'd like to see their logo and applicant file now as well, but I don't think the fact that they're only letting the IOC see these things at this stage is really of any harm to their chances, nor is it neceassrily indicative or lack of professionalism.

"Winter Games in 2014. Report by the IOC Candidature Acceptance Working Group to the IOC Excecutive Board" 28.04.2006 Page 19:
"The Jaca bid states that the Opening and Closing Ceremonies would take place in the city of Zaragoza. This is contrary to the Olympic Charter which requires that these ceremonies take place in the Host City"
http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_1073.pdf
Is the same case that Doha and the Lusail Stadium in Al Daayen...

"Winter Games in 2014. Report by the IOC Candidature Acceptance Working Group to the IOC Excecutive Board" 28.04.2006 Page 19:
"The Jaca bid states that the Opening and Closing Ceremonies would take place in the city of Zaragoza. This is contrary to the Olympic Charter which requires that these ceremonies take place in the Host City"
http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_1073.pdf
Is the same case that Doha and the Lusail Stadium in Al Daayen...

There is no such city as aldaayen, there is only a minucipality and what ever built areas that are in it are adjacent to Doha, therefore part of Doha. The bid file Never stated it's going to be in "another city".

There are several negative points to pick on Doha, this is certainly not one of them.

For FIFA it's a different city, for the IOC it's apparently not. Who knows? It's only a few km from the centre of Doha anyhow, whereas the two Spanish cities are 70 miles away from one another. The comparison's a bit unfair on Doha really.

Alrayyan is right, Doha has much bigger things to worry about.

I voted for Baku :)

The rules are the same for all and can´t be twisted. Is not serious that the Lusail Stadium was in Al Daayen for the WC bid and in Doha for the Olympic bid.

Today in Marca (Spanish sport newspaper) the Lusail Stadium and the Olympic Charter:
http://olimpismo2007.blogspot.com/2012/02/el-estadio-movil-de-doha-2020-en-marca.html

Today in Marca (Spanish sport newspaper) the Lusail Stadium and the Olympic Charter:
http://olimpismo2007.blogspot.com/2012/02/el-estadio-movil-de-doha-2020-en-marca.html

I do not like the fashion that has been Rio doing the ceremonies outside the Olympic Stadium. The IOC should to force all applicant cities do in the same stadium

^^ I don't mind the whole 2 stadium deal, it's just that it should be the odd occurrence, with, logical reasoning behind it (such is the case with Rio) and not twice in a row!

:cheers:I voted for Baku :)

same

Do the Opening and Closing ceremonies have to take place within the city limits/city proper of the host city? Because the Stade de France in the Paris metropolitan area is outside the city limits/city proper of Paris.

2016 - Chicago / Paris / Moscow / Hong Kong
2020 - New York (If Chicago will not get it) / Shanghai (if Hong Kong will not get it), St. Petersburg (If Moscow will not get it) / Busan, Dubai, Warsaw
2024 - Berlin / Milan / Miami (if Chicago will not get it) / Sao Paulo / Guangzhou (if Shanghai will not get it) / Mumbaihttp://www.1000seotips.com/zhao3.jpghttp://www.1000seotips.com/zhao2.jpghttp://www.1000seotips.com/zhao4.jpg

LOL

Do the Opening and Closing ceremonies have to take place within the city limits/city proper of the host city? Because the Stade de France in the Paris metropolitan area is outside the city limits/city proper of Paris.


Stop spamming this thread.

^^I asked a non-spam question. Please stop stalking users.

^^ Yet it's still part of the Paris Region and can be considered part of the city, as it's effectively governed by the Paris Region as a whole.

For example, if an NYC Olympics wanted the Olympic Stadium (which would host Ceremonies) to be in Medowlands, New Jersey, this wouldn't work, simply because Medowlands is not governed by the State of New York even though it's supposedly part of Greater New York. Then the bid would have to be marketed as Greater New York and not New York City.

As for Doha, I'm certain that the IOC would either request a change in Ceremonies venue or make an unprecedented exception (due to how small the country is and that Lusail is probably governed and under the jurisdiction of some Doha or Capital Region entity anyways). Alternatively one could argue that Lusail is just a suburb of Doha. :P

Asking the same or similar questions countless time will be considered as spam or trolling.

Please refrain.

2016 - Chicago / Paris / Moscow / Hong Kong
2020 - New York (If Chicago will not get it) / Shanghai (if Hong Kong will not get it), St. Petersburg (If Moscow will not get it) / Busan, Dubai, Warsaw
2024 - Berlin / Milan / Miami (if Chicago will not get it) / Sao Paulo / Guangzhou (if Shanghai will not get it) / Mumbai

What's that?! :nuts:

My fav candidates on final will be Instabul 2020 and Tokyo 2020....:)

Istanbul 2020 logo r very simple...hmmmmmm compare Tokyo 2020 and Doha 2020............http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Istanbul2020logo.jpg

I think the poll should be re-run, given that Rome has dropped out. Will be interesting to see what people chose instead of Rome.....

I voted for Baku :)

Why? Istanbul would be much better and it's in the same neck of the woods.

Why? Istanbul would be much better and it's in the same neck of the woods.

why ru such a hater
Baku is a beautiful city and almost prepared for Eurovision
the arena is almost finished which took 8 month to build
and when we have 7 years to prepare Baku will accomplish so much

why ru such a hater
Baku is a beautiful city and almost prepared for Eurovision
the arena is almost finished which took 8 month to build
and when we have 7 years to prepare Baku will accomplish so much
Xahiş edirəm poxu iylətmə... Cavabını bügün vermişəm. Çox oyan buyan etsə onunla vidalaşmalı olacayıg.

Sorry for writing in Azerbaijani.

Why? Istanbul would be much better and it's in the same neck of the woods.

Remember, Istanbul has not shown it's professionalism as of late, there's a lot of catching up to do and it will surely be on the minds of people and the IOC right to the voting stage.

Rubbish, the IOC has Istanbul's applicant file, that's all that matters at this stage. Just because a few geeks like us can't see this file because they haven't made it public that doesn't means Istanbul is unprofessional, it just means they're keeping their cards close to their chest for whatever reason. That's their perogative.

If they keep this strategy up after the candidate stage then they'll have trouble building momentum, but now it really doesn't matter. The only thing that matters now is the IOC have their applicant file, and they do.

But when everyone else has revealed their Applicant File, it does. Not to mention lack of logo and a website that hardly helps with it's information. The idea is to get not only national support but global support.

I'm sure that the Turkish people may have heard bits and pieces about the bid through Turkish media, but even most of them are probably clueless with the bid and would probably need to rely on the past bids to get some clue on what Istanbul's 2020 bid is about.

As I said, it'll matter come the candidate stage if Istanbul's marketing and promotion doesn't start kicking in. Now, not really. I asked before who remember Barbara Cassani, I still think that question is relevent in demonstrating that it's the home straight that counts. At this stage all that's needed is a fairly credible plan and for the IOC to have it.

Istanbul has all this stuff ready. Do you really think if they felt is was hurting their chances, they'd not have uploaded a pdf of their applicant file as soon as they could?

But even the website is still u/c and there are no informations in the turkish media. Turkish match fixing scandal is still the biggest news here.

The only infortmation i've found.

According to the bid file:
- Opening and clsoing ceremony festival at the Bosphorus. Fireworks at both side. So for the first time at two continents such a festival. 1 Mil. will watch it.

Remember, Istanbul has not shown it's professionalism as of late, there's a lot of catching up to do and it will surely be on the minds of people and the IOC right to the voting stage.
He does not care whether it is Istanbul or any other city. His tactics is whatever but Baku and not only in this thread about Olympics. He has some problems with Azerbaijan or maybe mental problems so he is trolling in any thread or topic which is related to it. The aim is to disgrace the country and its nation.

As I said, it'll matter come the candidate stage if Istanbul's marketing and promotion doesn't start kicking in. Now, not really. I asked before who remember Barbara Cassani, I still think that question is relevent in demonstrating that it's the home straight that counts. At this stage all that's needed is a fairly credible plan and for the IOC to have it.

Istanbul has all this stuff ready. Do you really think if they felt is was hurting their chances, they'd not have uploaded a pdf of their applicant file as soon as they could?

The Applicant File is certainly digitally produced, it's not that hard to find some space in your website server to host it. Furthermore, it's equally not that hard for someone to eventually leak a link if it's there, but not linked to the main page.

If all this stuff is truly ready, then surely someone on the website team would have uploaded such relevant information for the wider community to know about it, get more global followers and so forth. No real point supporting a bid without a clear identity and brand, let alone lack of information.

He does not care whether it is Istanbul or any other city. His tactics is whatever but Baku and not only in this thread about Olympics. He has some problems with Azerbaijan or maybe mental problems so he is trolling in any thread or topic which is related to it. The aim is to disgrace the country and its nation.

Why is this directed at me? I'm not trying to disgrace Istanbul or Turkey, but surely having that break from the 2016 bid race would have gotten the strongest plan possible. I'm just surprised that Istanbul hasn't gone "all guns blazing" and so on. If anything, they should have been clearly the first to unveil their logo, website and Applicant file. After all, they technically have the most bidding experience and have drawn from 3, 3 file bid books (2000, 2004 (not a Candidate) and 2008) and 2 Applicant Files (2008 and 2012).

Lord Davıd, that is not about you so please don't tale it personal. In fact I was referring to user KiwiRob

^^ Sorry, but you quoted me, so naturally...

^^ Sorry, but you quoted me, so naturally...
Well you were answering to that KiwiRob guy so I simply explained what kind of troll he is so that you don't take his comments serious

Remember, Istanbul has not shown it's professionalism as of late, there's a lot of catching up to do and it will surely be on the minds of people and the IOC right to the voting stage.

Why should we see there applicant file, it's not a public document, just because other cities have made theirs public doesn't mean all should.

I chose Istanbul for a number of reasons:


It's too soon for another games in Europe so Madrid's out

Doha will have just had the World Cup, it's tainted by corruption, there will always be a suspicion that the games were bought and it isn't a democratic country, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?

Azerbaijan is almost a dictatorship, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?

The Olympics should go to a Muslim country, Turkey and Istanbul is the best choice IMO. Besides Istanbul is a beautiful city with a heritage and history which is hard to beat.


If it doesn't go to Istanbul, Tokyo would be my other choice.

Why should we see there applicant file, it's not a public document, just because other cities have made theirs public doesn't mean all should.

I chose Istanbul for a number of reasons:


It's too soon for another games in Europe so Madrid's out
Doha will have just had the World Cup, it's tainted by corruption, there will always be a suspicion that the games were bought and it isn't a democratic country, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?
Azerbaijan is almost a dictatorship, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?
The Olympics should go to a Muslim country, Turkey and Istanbul is the best choice IMO. Besides Istanbul is a beautiful city with a heritage and history which is hard to beat.


If it doesn't go to Istanbul, Tokyo would be my other choice.

Istanbul is in Europe. So if Madrid's out for that reason, then Istanbul's also out of it.

Azerbaijan is almost a dictatorship, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?



why u r acussing Azerbaijan everytime? whats ur problem? dictatorship or not its not ur country n u dont need to choise for the Azeris! in ur opinion its dictatorship but for many Azeris its the best system, so let us live how we want. take better care about ur country where r u from & where is discrimination, fascism & islamaphobia!

BaKuCiTy, as I replied to you in another thread there is no reason to reply to his ignorant posts. KiwiRob is no more a member of SSC forum

Why should we see there applicant file, it's not a public document, just because other cities have made theirs public doesn't mean all should.

I chose Istanbul for a number of reasons:


It's too soon for another games in Europe so Madrid's out

Doha will have just had the World Cup, it's tainted by corruption, there will always be a suspicion that the games were bought and it isn't a democratic country, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?

Azerbaijan is almost a dictatorship, do the Olympic Committee want to go there?

The Olympics should go to a Muslim country, Turkey and Istanbul is the best choice IMO. Besides Istanbul is a beautiful city with a heritage and history which is hard to beat.


If it doesn't go to Istanbul, Tokyo would be my other choice.

But the IOC allows that, provided it's after the Applicant File submission deadline, which it well and truly is. The others have willingly done so so everyone can learn about their concept. With Istanbul, we're effectively forced to rely on their past bids to have some clue on what their 2020 plan is.

So Azerbaijan is a dictatorship, but compare such to say North Korea. Just look at the difference in progress with the 2 nations. Granted North Korea is hampered with the limitations of a Communist style government, but they are both nations run by family lineages. The difference of course is that we're seeing progress in Azerbaijan, far greater than anything the Soviets did during their time there.

Just watched the turkish sports minister on TV. He explained the turkish bid.

-there will be a competition for the logo
-its not only Olyimpcs, its alos Paralympics. Therefore for us we do not wanted a bid logo which just shows the Olympics. We will present both logos.
- Atatürk Olimpiyat stadi will be refurbished.
- 36 venues, 25 will be new.

Rest was just bla bla (Two continets, metro, ....)


EDIT:
Istanbul 2020 Applicant City Bid Book
Turkish-English
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/I.2020.APPICANT.TR-ING.pdf

French-English
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/i2020.APPICANT.FR-ING.pdf

sercan thats what we tought about the location... next to the walls of istanbul and haydarpaşa:)

lol

izleniyoruz abi:D

for me, another barcelona renovation will happen here if we get the games. even itts not complex like Doha or madrid , but diverse all the sports into the cty and turn the games into an open festival not ever done before.

and the most importnat sentence for me again: Turkey wants the games and our candidate is Istanbul....
that shows the whole country backs the bid.

Yeah but the main Olympic park is till at the same place.

But the Haydarpasa thing is really a good thing. Opening and closing ceremony will be also there.

BTW Atatürk Olimpiyat stadi's capacity stays at 76,000.

EDIT:
Istanbul 2020 Applicant City Bid Book
Turkish-English
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/I.2020.APPICANT.TR-ING.pdf

French-English
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/i2020.APPICANT.FR-ING.pdf

none of them work :dunno:

^^ I managed to download the Turkish-English version after several failed French-English attempted downloads.

^^ Me too.

The new links
TR-EN
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/ist2020bidbookTR-EN.pdf

FR-EN
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/ist2020bidbookFR-ING.pdf

The Plan
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/B.pdf

WTF?

Ceremonies will be in a new stadium. Called Bosphorus Stadium. Capacity 70,000. It will be on the asian side. At the Bosporus.
The green 24.
http://s14.directupload.net/images/120302/ppsaa9vj.jpg

~~The Bosphorus Stadium, a landmark architectural legacy, to be constructed for the Olympic and Paralympic
Opening and Closing Ceremonies and Marathons

new poll added

Do other candidate cities have their bid book already ?

....

Total planned cost for the venues
4,664,400,000 USD

Do other candidate cities have their bid book already ?

Yep, ages ago, like a mere week after the deadline they put theirs up online. :banana:

Ceremonies in a neutral venue, it's not going to work Istanbul! :nuts:

Actually its quite a good idea. Its in the center of the city. At the Bosphorus and close to the historical peninsula.

As far as i understand it will be used for opening and closing ceremony. Not for medal ceremonies

BTW i do not understand why they plan to built a new 12,000 arena at the olympic village for permanent and not temporary. Nobody will used it after the olympics

They are going to build a stadium just for ceremonies? So we will have a olympic stadium (current one) for activities and new one for the ceremonies? Who's going to use that stadium later?

Since I can't download the applicant file - file seems to be doing funny things - can someone tell me from the tables in the appendix what the capacity of the stadium is both during and post-2020 stadium and what it says in the "legacy" column for this Bosphorus Stadium?

^^ The Olympic Stadium is at 76,000 (with supposed press box, sky box upgrades as proposed for their Euro 2016 bid, but not expanded to 90,000).

Without reading too much on the Ceremonies stadium, people are saying that it's 70,000. By the looks of the "green" it's a planned venue, so it mus be permanent.

There is no mention for the Ceremonies stadium in the venue chart. There's the Olympic Village, Media Village and IBC/MPC, but no mention of the Ceremonies Stadium. I haven't had a proper look through the core information, just maps and charts.

I trusted Istanbul, They made a mistake when they came up with this stupid Bosphorus stadium idea solely for Olympic ceremonies. Ceremonies are for Ataturk Stadium, and that new Bosphorus Stadium is nothing more than a needless white elephant. I mean, why did they even propose this? Their bid just lost my support. They just need to scrap that idea and put the ceremonies in Ataturk.

I trusted Istanbul, They made a mistake when they came up with this stupid Bosphorus stadium idea solely for Olympic ceremonies. Ceremonies are for Ataturk Stadium, and that new Bosphorus Stadium is nothing more than a needless white elephant. I mean, why did they even propose this? Their bid just lost my support. They just need to scrap that idea and put the ceremonies in Ataturk.

For once, I agree to an extent. Understandably they couldn't build a venue on the Bosphorus itself, as that would cost billions (though it would be nice), but at 70,000 capacity, when their Olympic Stadium is 76,000 seats and an already existing venue (not to mention the necessary skyboxes for top paying spectators, something this Ceremonies Stadium will need to end up building), is just not enough to justify it being held there, even if it is a symbolic point.

It should also be noted, that for Turkey's bid for the Euro 2016 Football Championships, the Olympic Stadium was stated to be upgraded to 90,000, a capacity touted in some of Istanbul's past bids. Why wasn't the Ceremonies Stadium considered in this capacity (which would justify it's use) and made temporary (which means it's flexible in arena floor size as it won't need to be modified for say football post Olympics or used in any state at all)?

^^Permanent or temporary, this white elephant ceremonies venue is still absolutely needless, regardless of its capacity or its location in the Istanbul area. It's gonna be an epic fail. I'm wondering if Istanbul or Doha are doing drugs with Rio.

^^ Ahem, the idea of temporary is that there is no legacy, it will be torn down. No worries about White Elephants. It would be more supportive if it were a larger capacity, with a "legacy" of it's stands and seating to be turned into small community football pitch stands post Olympics.

The IOC should to force the candidate cities to perform the ceremonies in the Olympic Stadium (Doha and Istanbul) I do not like this custom is changing

Every time I try to download their applicant file, it'll fail. An error message will come up and say "Error downloading file/opening document. File damage and could not be repaired.". Neutral ceremonies venues are for the Winter Olympics. Istanbul 2020 have turned themselves into another underdog. They'll have better luck bidding for 2032.

I will support Baku's bid now. A green, and hi-tech Olympic host city for the people, just like Beijing was in 2008.

It's just one additional stadium that's going to be built where ceremonies will take place. To be honest I don't understand how that can influence someone's support that much.

Every time I try to download their applicant file, it'll fail. An error message will come up and say "Error downloading file/opening document. File damage and could not be repaired.". Neutral ceremonies venues are for the Winter Olympics. Istanbul 2020 have turned themselves into another underdog. They'll have better luck bidding for 2032.

I will support Baku's bid now. A green, and hi-tech Olympic host city for the people, just like Beijing was in 2008.

Well technically, the Winter Olympics could have a proper Olympic Stadium if there was a requirement for ceremonies to be held at the ski jump stadium for example. But this is not the case as many have used city stadiums in the past.

I don't mind a neutral venue for the Summer Olympics, only if it's of historical significance, ease of access and above all, greater capacity than what the athletics venue is. Oh and also if it's done on the odd occasion, not an ongoing trend.

Do I have to tell you the name of the creek the Olympic Committee is up without a paddle, or its condition, or how deep it is?

Also, my ranking of the 2020 Applicant cities:

1. Baku (favorite)
2. Tokyo
3. Madrid
4. Istanbul (underdog #2)
5. Doha (underdog #1)

Every time I try to download their applicant file, it'll fail. An error message will come up and say "Error downloading file/opening document. File damage and could not be repaired.". Neutral ceremonies venues are for the Winter Olympics. Istanbul 2020 have turned themselves into another underdog. They'll have better luck bidding for 2032.

I will support Baku's bid now. A green, and hi-tech Olympic host city for the people, just like Beijing was in 2008.

Green? Beijing?

Which one will be decided first, EURO 2020 or 2020 Olympics? And is it possible to arrange both?

Istanbul may as well drop out of the 2020 race and go for Euro 2020 tournament. Doha may drop out too.

My second opinion.

Baku: Ongoing constructed venues for Olympics becomes the "pro(s)" for their bid. (1st position for that city) :cheers:

Tokyo: Existing venues mixed with new venues & rebuilt Olympic Stadium, also Olympic Village "centered" master-plan (unlike 2016 bid where it's main stadium "centered") becomes a "totally new concept" :cheers: (tie with Baku)

Madrid: Small athletics stadium??? That better if the main venue is Santiago Bernabeu Stadium. But what about English people???:bash: I hope you know what I mean. (3rd position)

Doha: Summer? Too Hot. Autumn? No Free Time. :gaah: Too confused. (4th Position)

Istanbul: Islamic? Check. Summer? Check. Venue? Oh, you've gotta be kidding. :ohno: (last position)

What about you?

my vote goes to Baku =)

^^Permanent or temporary, this white elephant ceremonies venue is still absolutely needless, regardless of its capacity or its location in the Istanbul area. It's gonna be an epic fail. I'm wondering if Istanbul or Doha are doing drugs with Rio.
dont think so..

the government and football federation will insist on euro and world cup after that. so it wont be a white elephant. its gonna be used instead of telekom arena, and national maches with entertainment too. the ones visit istanbul can understand the location of the new stadium which is unique and priceless i dont think so they gonna lock it down.
now there is turkey's second largest port which hurts our eyes and lock the bosphorus traffic. after take it anywhere like gebze or yalova the city will be safer about sea routes also.
i really like the idea as an istanbulller and its a big benefit for the city.

^^ It says that it will be an "entertainment venue" post Olympics. So it won't be part of any future Euro, as it will most likely be designed without Football in mind, but specifically for concerts and the like.

^^ It says that it will be an "entertainment venue" post Olympics. So it won't be part of any future Euro, as it will most likely be designed without Football in mind, but specifically for concerts and the like.

so ataturk was just only athletics ..? but they can change it into euro 2016 football final arena.

and sinan erdem is for basketball but using for multi purpouse.

do u really believe that a stadium in that area and a view and the heart of the center will not include for euro or worldcup applications?

dude....:D

^^ No, for the Euro 2016 bid (which btw Euro 2016 is being hosted by France), bidding organizers proposd that Istanbul's Olympic Stadium be upgraded to 90,000, partly achieved by lowering the pitch by 2.5 meters and increasing capacity to 90,000. It's been said that skyboxes will be increased to as much as 80, which appears to be the upgrade proposal that the 2020 bid is doing.

Of course I don't believe that it will be included in any future Euro proposal. After all it's not even proposed to be constructed as UEFA certified, let alone even house a proper football pitch. It's obvious that it's not any football stadium of any sort.

IMO this Bosphorus stadium will be permanent. Its at the bosphorus and historical location. Chamber of Architects and monumental comitte won't allow a permanent building there.

And why 2 stadiums? As i said, current Olimpiyat stadium and the whole village are too far away from the city. Instead of building a new complex closer to the city or like London inside the city they choose the cheaper version.


Very very bad. IMO Istanbul will be the first city to be dropped out.


BTW according to this article http://spor.milliyet.com.tr/haydarpasa-ya-100-bin-kisilik-stad/spor/spordetay/02.03.2012/1510225/default.htm
Sports minister said "the bosphorus stadium will be temporary and capacity will be 100,000" :D
BTW which browser do you sue. No problems at chrome

^^ The bid file says it's permanent at 70,000. Now they claim it's 100,000 and temporary?

I guess all this backlash has made them rethink their idea for this ceremony stadium, which is good. I hope it's official, regardless if Istanbul ends up getting the games.

Just found the same statement at the official site of the sports minister.
Yes, the Bosphorus stadiums is temporary and 100,000.
http://www.gsb.gov.tr/site/haberler.aspx?news=571&p=1&nm=%C4%B0STANBUL%202020%E2%80%99YE%20EN%20B%C3%9CY%C3%9CK%20ADAY


But still, London's plans would have been better. The turks just do not want to destroy the current Olympic stadium and leave the area.
Too much money invested there. :ohno:


But IMO after London 2012 many people will change their minds and many will suggest a same innercity Olympic village for Istanbul.

I have been checking goolge maps and I don't see any place for a inner-city olympic village in Istanbul. The only options seems to be the forestal area around TT Arena.

There are plans to destroy the whole district of Zeytinburnu due to preventive measures against a possible earthquake. It would be great to construct a new olympic stadium with a village in this area. It is coastal, it is central and it's just next to the historical peninsula.

^^ Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of a preventative earthquake measure? Granted you will try and earthquake proof any new development in this district, but imagine in several years time post Olympics where a whole park comes coming down thanks to say an 8 or 9 magnitude earthquake.

I have been checking goolge maps and I don't see any place for a inner-city olympic village in Istanbul. The only options seems to be the forestal area around TT Arena.

There are plans to destroy the whole district of Zeytinburnu due to preventive measures against a possible earthquake. It would be great to construct a new olympic stadium with a village in this area. It is coastal, it is central and it's just next to the historical peninsula.

My "dream" would be this area.
-Old industrial area. The fabrics can move to the curreny Olympic site.
-The area is surrounded by metro stations (already built)
-City gets a new park. People can use it after the Olympics. Nobody would use a park outside the city.

http://s1.directupload.net/images/120303/qlpgg3hn.jpg

http://s14.directupload.net/images/120303/jfemeag8.jpg

http://s1.directupload.net/images/120303/vqb2qyeg.jpg

^^ Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of a preventative earthquake measure? Granted you will try and earthquake proof any new development in this district, but imagine in several years time post Olympics where a whole park comes coming down thanks to say an 8 or 9 magnitude earthquake.

The measure consists of building the district from scratch with new buildings that can resist a heavy earthquake. The problem is that current buildings in that area are not built according to earthquake regulations. It is better to build an olympic park which will be probably empty during an earthquake than a densely populated district. Istanbul doesn't expect a magnitude of 8, it is rather 7-7,5 and it is possible to construct buildings which can absorb this magnitude.

Sercan I would also agree with this. Zeytinburnu is just below it (once you cross the motorway) So they could build the Olympic park in Bayrampasa and reconstruct Zeytinburnu with a new port. At the end we could have a huge area that has been rebuilt!
With the current plan not much will change in Istanbul expect some new venues outside the city.

There's a part of me which really wants Istanbul to stretch the boundaries here; go for something really bold which would be a risk but would certainly be a talking point and give this compromise solution a raison d'etre. Because at the moment it feels a bit like they've seen Rio's solution and said "well, that could get us out of a hole" more than anything else.

If the stadium is to be temporary as certain sources have suggested, or if there's not much use for it afterwards, why actually have a stadium? Why not push the concept much further, there's no reason not to other than convention? If you're going to choose not to have ceremonies in the athletics stadium why not go the whole hog. Do they need to be in a stadium at all?

Given the stunning views of Sultanahmet across the Bosphorus from Asia, Istanbul could do well to look at what Guangzhou did for the Asian Games with an open stage (just on a much bigger scale), using the City as a backdrop.

http://www.erik-nehring.de/moschee/slides/sultanahmet005.jpg

It woudn't suit everyone's tastes and I don't know how feasible it would be technically, but it'd surely be a brave and interesting thing to propose, and Istanbul most certainly has the skyline for it to be stunning. It'd also differentiate their bid from, for example, Doha's - it'll be saying "we're offering an old, historical city and we're not afraid to push the concept of the opening ceremony to interesting new limits show that". Because whatever this modern funky new Bosphorus stadium is, they're not going to out-Doha Doha.

The proposed Bosphorus stadium's location
http://s14.directupload.net/images/120303/lwdlkmoz.png

So IMO the Bosphorus stadium will have a small stand (like at Baseball Parks) to see the skyline of the historical peninsula and ships...
http://www.konuthaberleri.com/dosyalar/images/haydarpa%C5%9Fa%2050%20m.JPG

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/6612031.jpg

^^ In historical downtown of Istanbul on Asian coast? :shocked: Are they crazy or something? :bash:

It seems they won't use the Olympics as a chance to refurbish the city. It's more like "we'll need some venus, we'll build them somewhere if we get the Games". The plan Sercan and I talked on the previous page is the result of a small brainstorm on an internet forum and it makes of sense than the plan that has been developed by a huge team over a long period of time.

They just choose the cheaper version.


^^ In historical downtown of Istanbul on Asian coast? :shocked: Are they crazy or something? :bash:

Nope, the Bosphorus stadium will be on the asian side, but you will be able to see the histiorical peninsula which is on the european part

Nope, the Bosphorus stadium will be on the asian side, but you will be able to see the histiorical peninsula which is on the european part
What I know Uskudar where they are planning this 100 000 stadium is also a historical part of Istanbul but on asian coast. Plus the area is very nearby Haydarpasha Railway Station, isn't it?

Yes, it is. Therefore the veneus will be temporary

I've just seen the project of Istambul and I just can say: we have one which will not get the games in 2020, why? the plan is really bad and there are a lot of new venues to build in a very expensive areas, like the sea, very far everything, too many clusters, and bad conections with the sub-host cities, and the most important thing: so, so expensive, after London, nobody will get the games unless almost all the venues are built.

By the other hand, I see Madrid as the best option, a really good plan concentrated in two clusters, one along the river and the forest (inside the city center) and the other in paralel close to the airport, with a low amount of money to spend, almost all by private hands (clubs, fairs, etc...) and with the 90% of the infraestructure built, an excelent and super fast conection with the sub-host cities, and a super developed sanitary system, security system and the touristic venues.

Talking about Baku and Doha, I think they just have money, neither real values nor good sostenible and good plans.
About Tokyo, It's a very good choice, truly, but they had the games years ago and they have few problems, etc..

What do you think about this?

Well it's official: Doha is on steroids and Istanbul is on endo. :lol:

I will support Baku's bid now. A green, and hi-tech Olympic host city for the people, just like Beijing was in 2008.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Oh... my... god.

After Rio, it's time for a less risky choice. Madrid would be a great host, and God knows how much I love that city, but Tokyo should win so that Paris could host the 2024 games.

Talking about Baku and Doha, I think they just have money, neither real values nor good sostenible and good plans.
What is this now? What do you mean by "values"?

^^ I think the Baku bid does have values. Promoting it's youth culture and the young age of the nation of Azerbaijan. It never really identified any sort of value in it's 2016 bid, but now it is thanks to it's focus on a youth centered Olympics.

As for sustainability, Baku has far more sustainable plans than the likes of Doha for example. A good example is it's proposed Tennis venue. Already having a national tennis center meeting the needs of the city, Baku proposes a temporary venue for the Olympics, rather than attempting (at a costly rate) to expand the existing national tennis center (which would mean knocking down surrounding buildings), they propose a temporary one at White City, the location of the Athlete's Village.

I'd say it's between Madrid and Istanbul. I'd prefer to see Istanbul host, though.

I support Istanbul :)

I pray for Madrid.

After Rio, it's time for a less risky choice. Madrid would be a great host, and God knows how much I love that city, but Tokyo should win so that Paris could host the 2024 games.


What makes you say Paris is going to host the 2024 games?

Please, don't tell me it's because of 1924 host... This is nonsense.

Paris will bid, it all depends if they improve their 2012 bid and more importantly if Madrid or Istanbul don't host, or even to a certain extend Baku.

It will be marketed as the centennial bid, but will it work?

I'll go with Istambul. Give me some fresh and hot city, please.

Paris will bid, it all depends if they improve their 2012 bid and more importantly if Madrid or Istanbul don't host, or even to a certain extend Baku.

It will be marketed as the centennial bid, but will it work?


Yeah.. We've all seen how Athens performed in 1996.

The Bosphorus Stadium will be like the Singapore 2010 YOG stadium and the Guanghzou 2010 Asian Games OC stadium...overlooking the water and is meant for spectaculr pyrotechnics over the water + maybe a son et lumiere show from the Topkapi, the Haga Sophia and probably from a flotilla of boats.