i take the vagina

:lol:

i take the vagina


dklahdkhakj ilk gördümde de .. AAAA a. lan bu dedim:D

Este no es un foro libre desde el momento que tiene un dueño y unas normas a las que atenerse, que en caso de imcumplirlas se aplicará la sanción que los moderadores y administradores estimemos oportuno.

Modera tu lenguaje o serás expulsado. Un saludo.


^^De modo que ahora soy yo el que tengo que ofrecer disculpas!. Fué el señor TRAM space que inició toda la bomba. Lo que pasa es que maneja una diplomacia que ni en los más altos circulos de la sociedad bitánica o española se ve!, primero me ataca diciendo que soy MENTIROSO, luego sostiene que soy MANIPULADOR y en uno de sus comentarios finales insinua que tengo PROBLEMAS MENTALES. y tras de eso sugieres que me quede con la boca cerrada o me expulsas del foro!!!

Se justo por favor.

Ahora porque no esté a favor de la candidatura de Madrid 2020 tengo que ser catalogado como enemigo numero uno del foro!.
No presumo de tener la verdad pero lo que escribí está basado en hechos reales. Y tampoco leo noticias basuras como lo hizo saber.

Que meta mano el (los) moderador (es) pero que sea justo!

english please

It's 3 for mine.

4 and 5 are eye-popping but too complicated. 1 looks like the British OC logo and 2 just isn't very clever IMO.

http://www.sportsfeatures.com/PressPoint/images/49559-olympic-image1.jpg

Here are the choices in question. I went with 4 :3

Voted for 2.

I voted for 5

#2

THIS IS AN ENGLISH FORUM...

Come on guys, it isn't that hard.

VOTE FOR no2~

Public To Select Istanbul 2020 Logo

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/thumbnail.php?file=Istanbul_913121495.jpg&size=article_medium

Istanbul 2020 launched a public competition to select a logo for the Candidate City phase of Turkey's bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games.

Potential logo designs have been put on the Istanbul 2020 website www.Istanbul2020.com.tr, and residents can vote for the design they feel best represents their nation's Olympic dream.

Istanbul 2020 says once the logo is selected, the overall look of the bid and supporting design for a new website and promotional materials will be developed.

Uh dude, I already posted the logo nominees on the last page xD Plus voting is closed now will be sent to the IOC for approval before revealing the winning logo to the world.

Uh dude, I already posted the logo nominees on the last page xD Plus voting is closed now will be sent to the IOC for approval before revealing the winning logo to the world.

When will they revel it?

ISTANBUL 2020 BID

http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/images/oylama-son_ing.jpg

When will they revel it?

No clue, but I'm willing to guess within a month. :dunno:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/06/20126288759114562.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/turkey-plane-shot-down-syria-warned_n_1626734.html

http://ep01.epimg.net/internacional/imagenes/2012/06/28/actualidad/1340873197_263647_1340875832_noticia_normal.png

This could be the end of Turkey in the race, the war in the middle east countries is there, and the war fear will not allow peacefull international events. It's a pity for such an interesting city.
Would the race follow with Tokyo and Madrid with real oportunities?

which war?

^^ Don't know about Syrian Civil Affair???

I don't really think there's anything to worry about that, after all Istanbul is on the other side of the country, far away from the Syria border.

Come on, are you for serious ???
IF there is going to be a war, the bid is for 2020, which means...There are 8 years left.
But only if...
And Turkey won't fight alone with Syria, because Syrians knocked down a Turkish (NATO) airplane.

Turkey won´t go for a war.


Turkey is intelligent.

Los Angeles for 2024 all the way !! :cheers:

Assad regime days are numbered. There's no way that fool can last for another 6 months.

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If Istanbul wins are there going to use ataturk olympic stadium or build a new one

I have to say that the current Ataturk stadium is an eyesore.

The Turkish government will renovate the Atatürk Olympik stadium

http://www.sporkeyfi.com/resimler/kat_buyuk/4abd66ccd7c6505c25cd3885db70a470.jpg

The Turkish government will renovate the Atatürk Olympik stadium

http://www.sporkeyfi.com/resimler/kat_buyuk/4abd66ccd7c6505c25cd3885db70a470.jpg

I love this stadium

You will hate it when you have been there :)

People, you like it or not, Istanbul is the hottest candidate to organize 2020 Olympics Games. It has really strong points making it ahead of all the rest ongoing and eliminated biddes for 2020 race. Istanbul, a city where East meets West, would be a great destination for Olympic movement and no doubt that both would benefit out of it IOC and Turkey on behalf of the city of Istanbul.

Best of luck and success to Istanbul 2020! :cheers:

People, you like it or not, Istanbul is the hottest candidate to organize 2020 Olympics Games. It has really strong points making it ahead of all the rest ongoing and eliminated biddes for 2020 race. Istanbul, a city where East meets West, would be a great destination for Olympic movement and no doubt that both would benefit out of it IOC and Turkey on behalf of the city of Istanbul.

Best of luck and success to Istanbul 2020! :cheers:

Indeed !
Thank you ! :)

For me the most amazing thing is the simbolic moment of having it hosted by two different continents.

You will hate it when you have been there :)

Ehy everyone hate it?

Yes, because its too far away. Its too cold, because its very windy. There is always a huge wind from North to South and as you see the north and south stands just have 1 tier.

^^ ... and I needn't going to there, I've already felt this stadium isn't ideal at all.

Actually north and south stand need a 2nd tier and the stadium should be inside the city.
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg12/scaled.php?server=12&filename=zwischenablage01lz.jpg&res=landing

The East stand is ok
http://www.kaliteliresimler.com/data/media/1278/Atatrk_Olimpiyat_Stad.jpg

But honestly i really like the main stand. It is really huge
http://i25.tinypic.com/j1516p.jpg

Actually north and south stand need a 2nd tier and the stadium should be inside the city.


The East stand is ok


But honestly i really like the main stand. It is really huge


well the plan for 2016 euro champ. was really good. the capacity of the stadium increased to 90000 and whole closed roof :)

http://i45.tinypic.com/s4utro.jpg

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg24/scaled.php?server=24&filename=05ataturkolimpiyatstadi.jpg&res=landing

st like that will be awesome for 2020 bid. altough i like the stadium main sturcute. open wide and ligtfull

yes, but still white elephant :)

well the plan for 2016 euro champ. was really good. the capacity of the stadium increased to 90000 and whole closed roof :)

http://i45.tinypic.com/s4utro.jpg



Do NOT ENCLOSE for an Olympic Games!! You will then have a lousy spot for the cauldron. They should leave an empty space for the cauldron.

^^ What about Cauldron tower like Turin's and Doha's Asiad Cauldron?

Do NOT ENCLOSE for an Olympic Games!! You will then have a lousy spot for the cauldron. They should leave an empty space for the cauldron.
But then you will have the wind problem :)

Beijing's Stadium had the cauldron on the roof, I don't know what's the problem with that...

What would be the capacity of Ataturk Olympic stadium if all the stands were as high and big as the main stand?

What would be the capacity of Ataturk Olympic stadium if all the stands were as high and big as the main stand?

90 000 or 100 000

But honestly i really like the main stand. It is really huge
http://i25.tinypic.com/j1516p.jpg

The whole stadium should look like the main stand, I guess this would be the biggest 3 tier stadium in the world (100,000)!
And rip the boring grey seats out, the turkish flag is red and not grey!!

If tokyo wins are they going to build new stadium or use existing one

Actually there isn't such a big difference in tersm of capacity between main and east stand.
When the capacity was 80,597 it was so:

- Main/West stand: 27,763
- East stand: 26,164
- North: 13,335
- South: 13,335


East looks smaller, because it has got just 2 tiers -> not so high.

Main stand:
- 1st: 32 rows
- Suit balcony: 3 rows
- 2nd: 32 rows
- 3rd: max. 41 rows

East stand:
- 1st: 47 rows
- 2nd: 51 rows

If tokyo wins are they going to build new stadium or use existing one

They are expending the existing one for Rugby World Cup. (80,000)

The project of a new stadium is abandoned

^^Actually, it's a new stadium on the site of the existing National Stadium.

^^ You mean rebuilding, sir?

Are they going to rebuild it even if they dont get the olympics

^^ For Tokyo, they rebuilt it for 2019 Rugby World Cup.
Madrid's Main Stadium for Atletico Madrid's new Home Ground.
Istanbul, dunno.

ISTANBUL 2020 Official logo launching / 21/07/12

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/_np/5244/17315244.jpg

http://imggaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Spor%20Foto/527/Ba%C5%9Fbakan%20Erdo%C4%9Fan'dan%20olimpiyat%20yeme%C4%9Fi/A21231246.jpg


http://imggaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Spor%20Foto/527/Ba%C5%9Fbakan%20Erdo%C4%9Fan'dan%20olimpiyat%20yeme%C4%9Fi/A212312480.jpg

I have nothing against Madrid and Istanbul, but I hope that Tokyo wins the bid!

TOKYO 2020!!!

Madrid impossible because there is the economic crisis

The Madrid bid is a bad joke considering the billions of €€€ EU countries had to spend to save spanish banks!

Madrid has the best note of the 3 candidate cities (8,08), and the Olympic Games are in 2020.

, and the Olympic Games are in 2020.

Do you want to start construction in 2019 or 2020 when the crisis is over??
Spain hosted the games just 20 years ago! It is not your turn.

Ask again in 20 or 30 years!

Madrid has the best note of the 3 candidate cities (8,08)

Who cares? The IOC doesn't for the 2016 games:
Tokyo 8,4
Madrid 8,2
Chicago 7,0
Rio 6,4

The Madrid bid is a bad joke considering the billions of €€€ EU countries had to spend to save spanish banks!

Madrid impossible because there is the economic crisis

Do you want to start construction in 2019 or 2020 when the crisis is over??


Most of the stuff is already built in Madrid, it's been said countless of times already.

Again, being so "agressive" so Madrid retires show a lot of insecurities here.

[CENTER]ISTANBUL 2020 Official logo launching / 21/07/12

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/_np/5244/17315244.jpg


Not my favourite. Looks like something from a souvenir stand in Amsterdam.

Madrid impossible because there is the economic crisis

The Olympics games are in 2020

8 years from now.

A lot of things happen in 8 years. 8 years ago Turkey has barely recovered from its own economic crisis, Spain was booming. Today, Spain is in an economic crisis, Turkey is booming. For all we know, in 8 years the roles will be reversed once more.

Si tu veux, je peux te l'expliqué en français :lol:

For me is more than logical:

2020 Istanbul
2024 Toronto
2028 Asia
2032 USA
2036 Europe

I bet that!!

Arguments in favor of the Tokyo bid:

- Tokyo has the most extensive and efficient public transport system in the world. No new trains need to be built.

- All the facilities needed for Tokyo 2020 are already built. Aside from a major renovation of the National Stadium (which will be renovated for 2019 Rugby World Cup anyway), Tokyo does not need to build any major facility.

- Tokyo has the most extensive and efficient public transport system in the world. No new trains need to be built.



Are you joking? :lol::lol:

http://www.photomichaelwolf.com/tokyo_subway_dreams/1.jpg

http://www.kawaiikakkoiisugoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tokyo-Japan-subway-crowd.jpg

Yes, the system is efficient, 3 people on a square foot...

Not my favourite. Looks like something from a souvenir stand in Amsterdam.

Yes, you are right. The logo resembles the famous dutch flower and the colours also resemble the dutch flag.

Actually the flower, tulip is also a symbol in Turkey

Are you joking? :lol::lol:

http://www.photomichaelwolf.com/tokyo_subway_dreams/1.jpg

http://www.kawaiikakkoiisugoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tokyo-Japan-subway-crowd.jpg

Yes, the system is efficient, 3 people on a square foot...

In peak hour congestion of course. ;)

I'd expect the transport problem to be alleviated with additional services as well as encouraging businesses to permit annual leave to workers, as to allow ease of congestion on the public transport network.

The Olympics games are in 2020

8 years from now.

A lot of things happen in 8 years. 8 years ago Turkey has barely recovered from its own economic crisis, Spain was booming. Today, Spain is in an economic crisis, Turkey is booming. For all we know, in 8 years the roles will be reversed once more.

Si tu veux, je peux te l'expliqué en français :lol:

But the final choose is in 1 YEAR.

And if you considering EU Money transfer with boooming :lol:

Turkey is booming with his own power.And Spain will be definately passed by 2020s.Turkeys market and population is bigger.Our export market is not only Europe,but North Africa,Middle East,Russia and Central Asia.

Fears Spain will need a full bailout: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18950896

Are you joking? :lol::lol:

http://www.photomichaelwolf.com/tokyo_subway_dreams/1.jpg

http://www.kawaiikakkoiisugoi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/tokyo-Japan-subway-crowd.jpg

Yes, the system is efficient, 3 people on a square foot...

Oshiya's are only brought in during peak hours and only in the busiest stations like Shinjuku and Tokyo.

Japan has the most extensive public transport system in the world, and most of the facilities that will be used for Tokyo 2020 are already in place.

The congestion of daily/peak travel hours are mitigable.

Well the 2nd picture is from the early 1990s when there was a problem...but the rail network in Tokyo has greatly increased its efficiency (with more trains, more lines etc) since then. In the first picture, you can see that in Shinjuku Station and Tokyo station during peak rush hour (around 30 minutes in the evening and morning). Basically if a tourist to the olympics happens to get stuck at peak evening rush hour at Shinjuku station (the busiest station in the world) and they are paranoid about being packed into the train they should just wait about 30 minutes for it to pass.

But also by 2020, there will be even more service improvements to the Tokyo network so the crowding will be even less.

Also even now, outside of peak rush hour you can usually even get a seat on the trains..and if not there'll be plenty of space to stand.

This is what Shinjuku Station is like now during rush hour (2012)

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Go to 1:56 to see the trains situation today. Nothing at all like the famous videos from 1993.

I've nothing against SOG in Tokyo, though Japan had WOG in 1998, which is just 22 years ago in 2020. I bet Tokyo will get it in 2028!
The spanish bid is insolent for several reasons, the games will go to Turkey for sure! A country with a booming economy whicht has never hosted a major sports event before!

My vote is for Instanbul
A cross section of cultures - Turkey, deserves to be rewarded for all the development achieved.

Madrid with the credit crisis should withdraw.
Tokyo is pretty clogged much like London.
Istanbul has been attempting for a while, it is time Istanbul gets selected.

All the best to ISTANBUL.
But, the logo sucks.

The logo of the WC 2006 in Germany was awful, the WC was wonderful, the BEST summer in Germany ever!

lol Tekken, why am I even bothering :lol:

It would be interesting to watch opening and closing ceremonies of Tokyo olympics. Because I think the organisators will invent some new technologies (like maybe realistic HD in-mid-air holograms) to show them to public for the first time during those ceremonies.

Tokyo has hosted before. It's time to "spread the wealth around". After letting London have the Olympics for a third time, the IOC really needs to try a fresh city. Tokyo is the largest and wealthiest city in the world. It doesn't need the Olympics again.

As others have noted, Spain is in no position to bid for 2020. The winning city will be chosen next year and Spain will still be in deep financial trouble. Also, this relatively small country has hosted in 1992. It's too soon for Spain. The Eurocentric IOC would likely want to give it Madrid, but the stars just don't line up right for 2020. 2028 or 2032? Maybe.

Istanbul is my choice by default. (This is all contingent upon would-be Islamic terrorists behaving themselves in London, of course.)

Istanbul is my choice by default. (This is all contingent upon would-be Islamic terrorists behaving themselves in London, of course.)

I highly doubt whatever happens in London, by whomever, will have an impact on Istanbul's bid.

Tokyo!

:cheers:

BTW why Tokyo and not Osaka or another japanese city?

lol Tekken, why am I even bothering :lol:

Sorry that Bulgaria have not the capacity to pass Spain´s economy even in 1000 years :lol:

Even with EU Money :)

Now that is a good economical analysis which is more real and logical :cheers:

Sorry that Bulgaria have not the capacity to pass Spain´s economy even in 1000 years :lol:

Even with EU Money :)

Sorry but I cannot continue a discussion with someone who thinks that Harun Yahya is a scientist or someone who doesn't understand what is a current account deficit. Try to keep this account to at least 30 posts, that might be your record for the past 4 years. You are more than half-way there :)

Better luck next time.

http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/images/istanbul-2020-01.jpg

Spell Of The City

Two of the symbols that come to our minds when we think of Istanbul are tulip and the silhouette of Istanbul. Our aim was to create a strong bound between Istanbul of our thoughts and the logo, as we designed Istanbul silhouette within the tulip figure. The bottom part of the tulip figure represents Asia, while the top part represents Europe. Within the logo we used orange color which reflects sunset in Istanbul and Turquoise color which is identified with Turkish culture. The ground-colors stress out the modernity of Istanbul and vibrant face, with its historical, natural and cultural features.

http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr

BTW why Tokyo and not Osaka or another japanese city?

The Japanese Olympic Committee chose Tokyo, by default actually, because Hiroshima, the other candidate city withdraw from contention.

Tokyo is bidding to show to the world that it has recovered from the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami.

who doesn't understand what is a current account deficit.


First Turkeys current acount deficit is shrinking every quarter.The goverment had a 5 year plan to make a current account PLUS.Second it is already compensated by tourism profit.

Current account deficit is mainly by energy import.Now Turkey is building three nuclear power plants and is already in the TOP 10 of Europe in terms of wind energy.About 2000 MW.For 2020 a capacity of 25.000 MW is aimed :cheers:


Now you must learn to hit the strings of the guitar :lol:

Spain, a "relatively small country"? It's the 28th most populated country in the world (out of 242 in the Wiki list), and fifth in Europe. I would say it's rather a "relatively large country" instead.

Try guess since 1996 SOG. Atlanta, Sydney, Athens, Beijing, London, Rio (future).
Europe has already become host continent for TWICE! Meanwhile else just once in last 20 years. I feel Istanbul's bid is narrow, since it's bi-continental city, between Asia and Europe.

The IOC is european-dominated, 44 of 106 members are from Europe (41 %).
From 1896 to 1936 (pre war) 10 of 11 SOG took place in Europe.
(post war: 8 Europe/9 rest of the world)

Try guess since 1996 SOG. Atlanta, Sydney, Athens, Beijing, London, Rio (future).
Europe has already become host continent for TWICE! Meanwhile else just once in last 20 years. I feel Istanbul's bid is narrow, since it's bi-continental city, between Asia and Europe.

Americas 2: Atlanta and Rio.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531167_10150953937158021_1665168509_n.jpg

totally its ISTANBUL... kind a start to love the logo

nice logo from istanbul..better than madrid or tokyo, but it not suit the website,any chance they will re brand the website?

Give it to Istanbul.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531167_10150953937158021_1665168509_n.jpg

totally its ISTANBUL... kind a start to love the logo

That is a good visual explanation of the logo.
But though the intent was good, the product could have been a lot more in sync.
Like...., the spires in the lower blue tulip petal need not have been so detail and could have been paint strokes resmbling the structures.

The white elephants that dragged Spain into the red (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18855961)

Surely they don't need more of this with yet another Olympic bid?

Madrid bid become laughing stock.

Spain is in an "unprecedented" double-dip recession and the outlook for the country remains "very difficult", says the International Monetary Fund.

Where is money for Olympics? In 2020 Olympics budget 4 times increase current London Budget. I don't think spain will spend huge money.! They will become another Greece.!

Two Bids left Istanbul vs Tokyo etc.

istanbul2020 cityplan: http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/B.pdf

http://i.imgur.com/GE4Nq.png (http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/download/B.pdf)

Once again...

As it was stated before, Madrid can afford the games... mainly because almost every single venue is already functional so it would be cheap and that's why the government of Madrid kept bidding.

The main problem now is the finantial/banking sector which has been dragging down the rest of economic activities, the cause of this problem is the real estate bubble burst, then it crossed to the public sector in two ways:

1) Many companies needed (and need) financing (for grow, make themselves more competitives, or cover promissory notes), those companies or initiatives are halted and waiting for that financing, but meanwhile that causes a lot of unemployment (producing itself more unemployment, drop in consumption and more problems to the banks)... all this produced a huge drop in tax collection.

2) At some point, some banks started to need aid from the government... it wasn't very problematic until Bankia needed that help... Bankia is very big and Spain had to ask for help to the European Union to save it.

So yes, today Spain is not in its best time... and the markets are overreacting and that doesn't help!

But as most of you probably already know... the economy tends to be cyclic...

20 years ago Spain was in a crisis comparable to the one that we are suffering right now and Barcelona organized the games that were considered the best ever at that time (and they also were cheap).

Now the unemployment in Spain is at 24,6%... in 1992 it was at 20,3% and in the peak of the 90's crisis it was at 24,3%.

But probably in 2020 we will be in another good cycle again...

P.S. Madrid's ecconomy unlike the Spanish one is not in recession... maybe stalled, for example its GDP grow 0% in the first quarter (traditionally the worst one in Spain), but +0.6% over the previous year.

^^

Don't even try. Most people have no understanding of the economic cycle.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531167_10150953937158021_1665168509_n.jpg

totally its ISTANBUL... kind a start to love the logo


Now i understand the colours.

Blue for the Bosphorus

And yellow / orange for the sky at evening.The logo also represent the TULIP.

and its nearly the view you will have from the Opening stadium on the asian side

Yeah the opening stadium will be right next to the bosphorus.

We can also make a Boat Show :lol:

They have Tower Bridge.We have Bosphorus Bridge.

It would be a great show on two continents and the element WATER. Madrid is landlocked.


Opening Stadium will be on asian side next to Haydarpasa Train Station.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2178/2021215257_270dddf651.jpg

^^ Yet Madrid and Tokyo will have Olympic Stadiums where both the ceremonies and athletics will take place. Not a pointless extravagant temporary venue (which initially was the same capacity as the athletics stadium), as well as being very close to their respective Olympic Villages.

Frankly, I'd prefer not to have the Olympics in either of these cities. Do you know how freaking hot it gets there in july?

TEAM ISTANBUL!

TOKYO ! I really hope tokyo will win the bid. It's a big country with advance technology. I hope they will use some high tech during the opening ceremony. Besides, japan been through so many years of hard time like depression, earthquake, tsunami, nuclear crisis... It's time for them to give them hope and unite ><

Yeah the opening stadium will be right next to the bosphorus.

We can also make a Boat Show :lol:

They have Tower Bridge.We have Bosphorus Bridge.

It would be a great show on two continents and the element WATER. Madrid is landlocked.


Opening Stadium will be on asian side next to Haydarpasa Train Station.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2178/2021215257_270dddf651.jpg

Project canceled.

Atatürk Olympic Stadium will be renovated this year.

Make up your mind Istanbul! It's going to this, then to that, then scrapping this. Well at least you respond to criticism and tweak your bid. But moving like the wind so to speak will not get you the games.

Leave that until after you win, where no one can take the games from you and they (critics), no matter how right they are, just have to deal with it.

Its not canceled. They just said that they will start to renovate the Olympic stadium.

Project canceled.

Atatürk Olympic Stadium will be renovated this year.

bid plan not changed.just Ataturk olympic stadium will be renovated with a shell over all stadium...

what we promise is the same with our bidbook

Make up your mind Istanbul! It's going to this, then to that, then scrapping this. Well at least you respond to criticism and tweak your bid. But moving like the wind so to speak will not get you the games.

Leave that until after you win, where no one can take the games from you and they (critics), no matter how right they are, just have to deal with it.

How about you make up your mind over what you want to criticize mate? Otherwise it looks like you're just targeting Turkey.

I think 2020 are going to Istanbul
Then 2024 ??? and 2028 Baku . I'm sure Baku will be the host of one of the upcoming Olympics.

2024 will be in Africa, 2028 in Asia!
Stop dreaming, the games won't go to such a small country with less than 10,000,000 people.
Baku should try to get the youth olympics, that's realistic!

2024 will be in Africa, 2028 in Asia!
Stop dreaming, the games won't go to such a small country with less than 10,000,000 people.
Baku should try to get the youth olympics, that's realistic!

I think Baku could host 2028 many plans will be finished by tht time
like Baku White City and Khazar Islands with few stadiums
and many infrastructure projects

How about you make up your mind over what you want to criticize mate? Otherwise it looks like you're just targeting Turkey.

Hey, I would have loved to have supported Istanbul, if they were doing everything right, but this bid race seems like they're being sloppy. Very sloppy.

Hey, I would have loved to have supported Istanbul, if they were doing everything right, but this bid race seems like they're being sloppy. Very sloppy.

Thats just BS

Hey, the bid has HUGE flaws and it's not just branding I'm talking about. It will show during the IOC vote.

A temporary stadium just for ceremonies (and marathon I suppose). Sure, the location is symbolic, but it's a logistical nightmare for athletes. Especially since the Olympic Stadium was proposed in past bids and their failed Euro 2016 bid to be expanded to over 90,000.

Also, they are bidding for Euro 2020, which definitely conflicts with their Olympic bid as the Euro would be seemed as a consolation prize. Sure, the dates will definitely not conflict, or they will not go ahead with the Euro bid if they win the Olympics bid. Which of course makes all the bidding preparation done by Turkey redundant and a waste of money.

These are 2 prime examples for their bid being sloppy.

Madrid bid become laughing stock.

Spain is in an "unprecedented" double-dip recession and the outlook for the country remains "very difficult", says the International Monetary Fund.

Where is money for Olympics? In 2020 Olympics budget 4 times increase current London Budget. I don't think spain will spend huge money.! They will become another Greece.!

Two Bids left Istanbul vs Tokyo etc.

IMO, Spain is bidding with Madrid just because of internal parochial conflict.
With Barcelona having already hosted in 1992, which is considered to be a chic mediterranean city and the capital of the autonomous Catalan area, mainland spain ppl want Madrid to get the same honor to get one up or equal to the Catalans.

Hey, the bid has HUGE flaws and it's not just branding I'm talking about. It will show during the IOC vote.

A temporary stadium just for ceremonies (and marathon I suppose). Sure, the location is symbolic, but it's a logistical nightmare for athletes. Especially since the Olympic Stadium was proposed in past bids and their failed Euro 2016 bid to be expanded to over 90,000.
....

These are 2 prime examples for their bid being sloppy.

If a temporary stadium for ceremonies and athletics and logistical issues of transport quandry could land up London the rights then it does not seem to be a blunder in the bidding process of Turkey.

Leave it to IOC to decide what is sane.

Other sloppy bid examples that can be cited are-
Gold Coast, Australia for 2018 Common wealth Games:
It will be held in 3 cities Townsville, Brisbane (82 host) and Gold Coast.
In any games events like kayaking/sailing/mountain biking are held in distant places to fit the technical and geographical needs.
An example during Gold Coast 2018, a normal indoor event like Basketball prelims will be hosted in a city 800 kms away, very funny and athletes will travel for knock stages to main city.
These cannot be called Gold coast Games but Queensland Commonwealth Games 2018.
China hosts its national games in more splendid venues and ways at the same city than the so called Gold Coast 2018.
Realy funny bid which got selected just because there were no other takers for those Games (Hambantota just put up a token bid).

IMO, Spain is bidding with Madrid just because of internal parochial conflict.
With Barcelona having already hosted in 1992, which is considered to be a chic mediterranean city and the capital of the autonomous Catalan area, mainland spain ppl want Madrid to get the same honor to get one up or equal to the Catalans.


This special spanish problem isn't the problem of the international community. Madrid can host the games - in the 2nd half of this century!

UK waited 64 years for the next summer games, France is still waiting for 88 years, Italy 52 years (both hostest winter games in 92 an 2006), Germany 40 years and Russia 32 years!
To be honest it has to be Germany's turn in Europe after Istanbul 2020!

WEB SITE

ISTANBUL : www.istanbul2020.com.tr
TOKYO : www.tokyo2020.jp
MADRID : www.madrid2020.es

i personally want to see Istanbul mayor at the handover ceremony in 2016!! From South America's beauty to The Pearl of Middle East!

I see Istambul as the perfect city for hosting the games in an idilic world, but we are not in that world.
I see the system of transport in the city is very poor with a proposal of olympic areas very dispersed, there are almost no built venues and the economic situation is bad.
I say it's bad according to the GDP per capita, the one of the country, the education level, the poverty level in the country and the existing infraestrucutres conecting the cities. Sure the country is growing, but it doesn't mean it's rich, Spain and Japan are in a crisis, a big one in Spain, but those are much more rich than Turkey, I mean, with the highest level of infraestructure ever seen, almost no poverty, a very big security level and very polite and civilized cities regardless the quartier, and the most important thing: Everything is just built, it's not necessary such a huge amount of money to build it, amount which is excessive if we compare with the level of live of Turkey and the relation of the investment of the spanish and japanese candidature with their level of life and their population.

It's important to know that Turkey is in a region which is in war, and there have been several security threats and stuff in relation with war with Syria, and the borders with Iraq and Iran are quite dangerous (seen by europeans), and specially the area of Kurdistan and Iran is strange for the western world, many things may happen in that place of the world (probably the most unsafe region of the world, and one with the biggest concentrations of military altercations and wars in a short term.
This is not like Brazil and the splendorous city of Rio, no, this is something stranger with much more risks.
It's good to remind you that Nigeria is growing a 7%, have they a good economy? partial information in this issue uses to lie.

Time will tell.

Los mismos que hicieron el ridiculo apostando por Doha y Katar defenestran a Madrid porque España....esta en la ruina...estan los bares vacios y la gente cazando gatos para comer.

Menos mal que van a venir los Japoneses y los Turcos a enseñarnos lo que es una economía bollante y lecciones de de mocracia:

Japón vive en una crisis continua desde los 80

Estambul democratas y tolerantes de toda la vida...hasta las mujeres pueden comer ya chicle por la calle!

Pero para enseñarnos como se hacen unos juegos...Londres 2012...: que ceremonia, original...entretenida, llena de novedades....y el Pebetero (cauldrom) que preciosidad, que emoción el encendido...el de la tienda de los chinos donde lo compraron tiene que estar orgulloso.

Madrid y España, en tiempos de Crisis se crece, como demostró en la Transicion, como lo demostró en el 82 con el mundia, con los Juegos del 92 y todos los eventos. Y si Madrid gana, se presupuestará y organizarán unos juegos donde el 80% de las infraestructuras estan terminadas

Ahora seguid opinando sobre japoneses y turcos y haciendo cabalas. Aún estais sin poder digerir lo de Rio 16....el tercer mundo organizando unos juegos...que barbaridad! y sobre todo..el fracaso, ridiculo y horrible organización de Londres 2012.

¿3er. mundo Brasil y Latinoamérica?

Sobre todo cuando este tercer mundo es el que le da de comer a España ahora, del que viene la mayor rentabilidad de sus empresas y al que miles de españoles están migrando e inundando América Latina como una plaga. Después de ver el material tan pobre que ha presentado Madrid en su última candidatura, realmente no merece ganar, ha hecho un mejor trabajo Estambul.

Respecto a Río, pienso que van mucho mejor que Londres, empezando por cosas tan sencillas como la develación del logotipo! Río tiene todo para dejar una huella como la que dejaron en su momento Barcelona o Sydney en un evento que será tan apasionado colorido y único como los cariocas, sus carnavales y exuberante naturaleza!

Los mismos que hicieron el ridiculo apostando por Doha y Katar defenestran a Madrid porque España....esta en la ruina...estan los bares vacios y la gente cazando gatos para comer.

Menos mal que van a venir los Japoneses y los Turcos a enseñarnos lo que es una economía bollante y lecciones de de mocracia:

Japón vive en una crisis continua desde los 80

Estambul democratas y tolerantes de toda la vida...hasta las mujeres pueden comer ya chicle por la calle!

Pero para enseñarnos como se hacen unos juegos...Londres 2012...: que ceremonia, original...entretenida, llena de novedades....y el Pebetero (cauldrom) que preciosidad, que emoción el encendido...el de la tienda de los chinos donde lo compraron tiene que estar orgulloso.

Madrid y España, en tiempos de Crisis se crece, como demostró en la Transicion, como lo demostró en el 82 con el mundia, con los Juegos del 92 y todos los eventos. Y si Madrid gana, se presupuestará y organizarán unos juegos donde el 80% de las infraestructuras estan terminadas

Ahora seguid opinando sobre japoneses y turcos y haciendo cabalas. Aún estais sin poder digerir lo de Rio 16....el tercer mundo organizando unos juegos...que barbaridad! y sobre todo..el fracaso, ridiculo y horrible organización de Londres 2012.

¿3er. mundo Brasil y Latinoamérica?

Sobre todo cuando este tercer mundo es el que le da de comer a España ahora, del que viene la mayor rentabilidad de sus empresas y al que miles de españoles están migrando e inundando América Latina como una plaga. Después de ver el material tan pobre que ha presentado Madrid en su última candidatura, realmente no merece ganar, ha hecho un mejor trabajo Estambul.

Respecto a Río, pienso que van mucho mejor que Londres, empezando por cosas tan sencillas como la develación del logotipo! Río tiene todo para dejar una huella como la que dejaron en su momento Barcelona o Sydney en un evento que será tan apasionado colorido y único como los cariocas, sus carnavales y exuberante naturaleza!

No has entendido la hironia
Mira el hilo cuando en 2008 se decidían las ciudades de la olimpiada del 16, todos los anglosajones daban por descartada a Rio porque era poco menos que el tercer mundo…Sudamérica, creían que Obama llegaría y le iban a ar los Juegos a Chicago.

Y que yo sepa las principales empresas de Argentina y Brasil son Españolas, y aquí nadie de e comer a nadie, España emigró a Argentina, Los ecuatorianos inmigraron a España, los arquitectos se van a Brasil y los sicólogos en España son argentinos y los oftarmologos peruanos…se suele llamar fraternidad. Todavía no conozco ninguna petrolera, ni telecos sudamericana que haya creado ni un puesto de trabajo en España. Al revés, tenemos que esperar el Chaves o la Evita de turno que nos de lecciones de democracia y economía.

Y Estambul es un país tan fiable…que ni la Unión Europea lo quiere como socio. Inestable políticamente, democráticamente dudoso y de capacidad organizativa nula. Si ni aceptan a las mujeres como iguales…y los mismos islamistas rechazan los juegos.

Y que el proyecto de Madrid es pobre? Que siempre ha sido primero o segundo en la puntación del COI??? Tu lo mides todo en los estadios a golpe de dinero, tipo China que puedan hacer lo Turcos a contrarreloj y tomar el ejercito las calles para que el terrorismo islámico y los propios hinchas….que no hay más que ver el futbol en Turquía nor revienten los juegos?

Turquia tiene que contruir una democracia de carton piedra de cara a los juegos, igual que las infraestructuras de Londres; si los juegos de Londres se celebraran en Madrid…los british dirían que son propios del tercer mundo, pero como lo organizan ellos…el pebetero es lo más! Aunque sea un amasijos de hierros que no saben ni donde ponerlo y ya está chamuscado.

Madrid..solo la ciudad merece los juegos, por hoteles…tener uno de los mejores metros del mundo, la mejor alta velocidad del mundo junto a Francia, y una democracia consolidada. Por no decir que el 90% de las infraestructuras están terminadas. Se que quereis ver obras caras como el nido de pajaro de Pekin...que bonito por tv...y ahora que? han tenido que comprar...la supercopa de España para poder darle algun uso...


Es que Londres ha dejado el liston taann bajo, que hasta Corea del Norte puede hacer unos juegos mejores que los de 2012.

Y basta ya de hindios resentidos con Colon y la madre patria…queda muy pasado de moda.

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No has entendido la hironia
Mira el hilo cuando en 2008 se decidían las ciudades de la olimpiada del 16, todos los anglosajones daban por descartada a Rio porque era poco menos que el tercer mundo…Sudamérica, creían que Obama llegaría y le iban a ar los Juegos a Chicago.

Y que yo sepa las principales empresas de Argentina y Brasil son Españolas, y aquí nadie de e comer a nadie, España emigró a Argentina, Los ecuatorianos inmigraron a España, los arquitectos se van a Brasil y los sicólogos en España son argentinos y los oftarmologos peruanos…se suele llamar fraternidad. Todavía no conozco ninguna petrolera, ni telecos sudamericana que haya creado ni un puesto de trabajo en España. Al revés, tenemos que esperar el Chaves o la Evita de turno que nos de lecciones de democracia y economía.

Y Estambul es un país tan fiable…que ni la Unión Europea lo quiere como socio. Inestable políticamente, democráticamente dudoso y de capacidad organizativa nula. Si ni aceptan a las mujeres como iguales…y los mismos islamistas rechazan los juegos.

Y que el proyecto de Madrid es pobre? Que siempre ha sido primero o segundo en la puntación del COI??? Tu lo mides todo en los estadios a golpe de dinero, tipo China que puedan hacer lo Turcos a contrarreloj y tomar el ejercito las calles para que el terrorismo islámico y los propios hinchas….que no hay más que ver el futbol en Turquía nor revienten los juegos?

Turquia tiene que contruir una democracia de carton piedra de cara a los juegos, igual que las infraestructuras de Londres; si los juegos de Londres se celebraran en Madrid…los british dirían que son propios del tercer mundo, pero como lo organizan ellos…el pebetero es lo más! Aunque sea un amasijos de hierros que no saben ni donde ponerlo y ya está chamuscado.

Madrid..solo la ciudad merece los juegos, por hoteles…tener uno de los mejores metros del mundo, la mejor alta velocidad del mundo junto a Francia, y una democracia consolidada. Por no decir que el 90% de las infraestructuras están terminadas. Se que quereis ver obras caras como el nido de pajaro de Pekin...que bonito por tv...y ahora que? han tenido que comprar...la supercopa de España para poder darle algun uso...


Es que Londres ha dejado el liston taann bajo, que hasta Corea del Norte puede hacer unos juegos mejores que los de 2012.

Y basta ya de hindios resentidos con Colon y la madre patria…queda muy pasado de moda.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

This is an international forum, please speak in english.

It's important to know that Turkey is in a region which is in war

Come off it. Istanbul is no less secure than London, and more so than 2018 World Cup focal point Moscow. Rio has different sorts of local threats, but there are concerns there too.

This is an international forum, please speak in english.

Well, actually skyscrapercity is translated only into two languages, english and spanish.
Spanish is the native language of almost the half of the forumers, I guess the people who area able to understand english and spanish in this website is the same. It's not a strange issue.
But probably we should speak in english in this thread because it seems there are some who don't speak spanish and it seems to be rare for them, well, nowadays it's easy to use the translator for these people.

^^ OK. That's an other subject but why not speak in french.
French is official language of the UN, the IOC and many official organisations with english...


At least, it should be better if everybody talks in English. Even me, I tried with my bad grammar :lol:

Well, actually skyscrapercity is translated only into two languages, english and spanish.
Spanish is the native language of almost the half of the forumers, I guess the people who area able to understand english and spanish in this website is the same. It's not a strange issue.
But probably we should speak in english in this thread because it seems there are some who don't speak spanish and it seems to be rare for them, well, nowadays it's easy to use the translator for these people.

ukiyo is entirely correct; in all of the International forums, English is the language used. In regional forums, all sorts of different languages can and are used. :yes:


A further note to Solopop, Sylver and others. Moderators can clearly see when trolling tags are added, so PLEASE do not do this in any thread. Thank you.

Thankyou for clarifying that Taller,Better, it still won't stop some ppl tho lol.

I'd prefer Tokyo since I have cousins and family there. But ideally, it would be Istanbul.

Istanbul's Olympic Park and Village is too far away from the center (IOC report).

Therefore IMO it will be Tokyo.

^^ You finally realized it, Mr. Secran. I've told to else about this...
MADRID but it's too soon for European Olympiad after South American Olympiad.
ISTANBUL but it has "awful" (or somewhat similar) Olympic plan.
and you've realized which city is potentially elected, mister.

Ehhm, actually i've always said that the plan is bad and the location of the stadium is wrong :)

Just look at my old post in this thread :)
I've even shown a potential new area for the park and village :)

^^ oh...! :doh: How could I forget that.
I hope the people of Istanbul doesn't look like my motherland's people, those everyone take the state's lot as their own, even branch :soapbox: (censorship due explicit issue), and ask the $$$ to the government if they build any building, such as Olympic Village, those end with the suspicious scandal, or something, and we can't afford to tell about this scandal, because they're *greedy*.

Apart from it, I wish the extreme change of the bid's plan from Istanbul, so I can make up my mind.

MADRID but it's too soon for European Olympiad after South American Olympiad.
ISTANBUL but it has "awful" (or somewhat similar) Olympic plan.
and you've realized which city is potentially elected, mister.


???? Istanbul counts as a european bid, Turkey is member of many european soprts associations and Istanbul is the only mega-city on two continents!

ukiyo is entirely correct; in all of the International forums, English is the language used. In regional forums, all sorts of different languages can and are used. :yes:


A further note to Solopop, Sylver and others. Moderators can clearly see when trolling tags are added, so PLEASE do not do this in any thread. Thank you.

lol. <3

???? Istanbul counts as a European bid, Turkey is member of many European sports associations and Istanbul is the only mega-city on two continents!

Sorry, but Turkey has been disputed as Asian states. Remember, Politics & Sports just don't mix unless you insist, then meet the fate like early 1960s Indonesian Sports Scandal.

Sorry, but Turkey has been disputed as Asian states. Remember, Politics & Sports just don't mix unless you insist, then meet the fate like early 1960s Indonesian Sports Scandal.

Istanbul is an european bid. The Turkish Olympic Comite is european.

Turkey wants the flame lighting ceromony to be moved to Antalya,
and with that they just shot themself in the foot; congrats.



In a meeting in London with Jacques Rogge, the prime minister of Turkey, Tayyip Erdogan, hereinafter called the lighting of the flame is not in Antalya and in Ancient Olympia!
The Turks argue that a short distance from Antalya, is a mountain called Mount Olympus, the ancient region of Lycia, where the ground heated by natural ways, due to the existence of methane in the subsoil and light for thousands of years now.
According to local legend, the Turks say that there is defined the origin of the Flame.
The Turkish Minister for Youth and Sport, Suat Kilic told a news conference he said: "The Prime Minister explained to Jacques Rogge that Turkey is the root of the Olympic Flame and we want our country back. Anatolia awaits the Flame" was the provocative statements.

http://www.sport.gr/Article/%CE%95%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82/Olympic-Games-2012/%CE%94%CE%B5%CE%BD-%CE%AD%CF%87%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BD-%CF%84%CE%B7...-%CE%A6%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%B1-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%82-%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%B9!/99-138743.html

Turkey wants the flame lighting ceromony to be moved to Antalya,
and with that they just shot themself in the foot; congrats.





http://www.sport.gr/Article/%CE%95%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%B9%CF%82/Olympic-Games-2012/%CE%94%CE%B5%CE%BD-%CE%AD%CF%87%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BD-%CF%84%CE%B7...-%CE%A6%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%B1-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%82-%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%8D%CF%81%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%B9!/99-138743.html

misinformation... Mount Olympus in Antalya Anatolia spreads out natural flames for 4000 years and as recorded the olympic games ( not Hellenic games todays olympics mother) in Anatolian regions fire lit from this mythical flames.

misinformation... Mount Olympus in Antalya Anatolia spreads out natural flames for 4000 years and as recorded the olympic games ( not Hellenic games todays olympics mother) in Anatolian regions fire lit from this mythical flames.

Nah he said he wants the fire to be lit there, but there should also be reports of this in Turkey then; otherwise its Greek sports Newspaper bullcrap :P

Why there's only 3 cities in the poll?

^^ because there are only 3 candidate cities...

http://www.madrid2020.es/
http://tokyo2020.jp/en/index.php
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/

Nah he said he wants the fire to be lit there, but there should also be reports of this in Turkey then; otherwise its Greek sports Newspaper bullcrap :P

I saw the article on Greek news and it was on other more reliable tv channels so i'm not sure if it's just a random newspaper's bullshit, but still i can't find anything in any other sources yet so i'm skeptical. IF the Turkish prime minister said that though, it's a totally ridiculous claim. First FYROM claiming Macedonia and Alexander the Great, then Turkey claiming the Olympic Games' history.. what's next? Switzerland claiming Sparta? :p

misinformation... Mount Olympus in Antalya Anatolia spreads out natural flames for 4000 years and as recorded the olympic games ( not Hellenic games todays olympics mother) in Anatolian regions fire lit from this mythical flames.

The Olympic Games ARE the (at first) Hellenic Games. They are the continutation of the Games that began in Olympia (not Olympus in Antalya) and that's where the Olympic flame was lit. Unless there was someone lighting the flame in Antalya and was carrying it all the way to Olympia which is laughable. Apparently someone tried to make a connection due to the similarity in the name of Mt. Olympus in Antalya and Olympia in Greece.

I saw the article on Greek news and it was on other more reliable tv channels so i'm not sure if it's just a random newspaper's bullshit, but still i can't find anything in any other sources yet so i'm skeptical. IF the Turkish prime minister said that though, it's a totally ridiculous claim. First FYROM claiming Macedonia and Alexander the Great, then Turkey claiming the Olympic Games' history.. what's next? Switzerland claiming Sparta? :p



The Olympic Games ARE the (at first) Hellenic Games. They are the continutation of the Games that began in Olympia (not Olympus in Antalya) and that's where the Olympic flame was lit. Unless there was someone lighting the flame in Antalya and was carrying it all the way to Olympia which is laughable. Apparently someone tried to make a connection due to the similarity in the name of Mt. Olympus in Antalya and Olympia in Greece.

isnt alexander macedonian? :S

ancient sports organizations is not just helding in greece, also greek cities in aegean region and anatolia ... i think thats wat pm said. İm sure someone like him and his position never gonna do that mistake without any proof or evidence or background.

isnt alexander macedonian? :S

ancient sports organizations is not just helding in greece, also greek cities in aegean region and anatolia ... i think thats wat pm said. İm sure someone like him and his position never gonna do that mistake without any proof or evidence or background.

Alexander was Macedonian which was part of the Greek kingdoms/city states.
Kinda like Leonidas was Spartan and still Greek. But let's not start this conversation in this topic :P

Obviously sports were practised in many places in the ancient world but these specific games (Olympics) started in Olympia and these are the games that became famous in Greece and that the modern Olympic Games are the continuation of so clearly there is no connection between Antalya and the Flame of the Olympic Games.
I do think that Erdogan is a smart prime minister and that's why i'm skeptical. There is no background for this and i don't know how he could have said it (i repeat, IF he said it and it's not some fake story from a random newspaper).

Other than that i think Istanbul does have the background to support such an organization and it would be nice to see it happen there with no trouble. I'm still undecided between Madrid and Istanbul though.

Why there's only 3 cities in the poll?

Because the european crisis backed the big contenders like Rome and keep it a weak Madrid bid. After Chicagos fiasco USA decided not to bid until get back to good terms with IOC (what recent happened) Baku still not good enough for the games and Dohas climate take them away.

Seems that this Turkish Minister Statement actually happened:

The chief of Greece’s London Olympics mission Isidoros Kouvelos, has hit back at Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his view that Turkey are in fact the true “owners” of the Olympic flame and by connection, the Olympic spirit itself.

The Turks argue that a short distance from Antalya, is a mountain called Mount Olympus, where the ground is heated by natural ways, due to the existence of methane in the subsoil and support a local legend, according to which, the specific area is the original source of the Olympic flame that burns in Ancient Olympia.

In Erdogan's meeting with Olympic Games chief Jacques Rogge, the Turkish prime minister said that Turkey is the root of the Olympic Flame, and asked for it to be “returned home” , in order for it to coincide with the country’s play for the Olympic Games of 2020.

Kouvelos was sharp in his released statement, inviting Erdogan to top up on his Olympic history.

"The story is based on historic facts and evidence rather than myths”, he said.

“I would cordially like to invite Mr. Erdogan and his minister Mr. Kilic to ancient Olympia, to where the Olympic Academy resides, so they can both attend some interesting lectures on Olympic history”. (AthensNews)
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/9/57505

Seems that this Turkish Minister Statement actually happened:


http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/9/57505

lol now tell me how does it feel ? reclaiming baklava coffee and karnıyarık as greek although they are turkish? :)

Even the Olympic Flame's lighting moved to Turkey, I still doubt Istanbul won this bid. They should wait for at least more four years, unless there's African bid for next Olympic bid.

lol now tell me how does it feel ? reclaiming baklava coffee and karnıyarık as greek although they are turkish? :)

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Sercan said it.

OMG. Tokyo will have the 2020 olympics, it's very good for Paris 2024 bid ! :banana:

Because the european crisis backed the big contenders like Rome and keep it a weak Madrid bid. After Chicagos fiasco USA decided not to bid until get back to good terms with IOC (what recent happened) Baku still not good enough for the games and Dohas climate take them away.

Wow. Only 3 cities in the competition... Actually I would say that's a competition between Istanbul and Tokyo only.

Wow. Only 3 cities in the competition... Actually I would say that's a competition between Istanbul and Tokyo only.
Istanbul? I doubt it, but given the fact that London is this year..... It would be tough for Madrid, so the Games would probably go to Asia again.

Wow. Only 3 cities in the competition... Actually I would say that's a competition between Istanbul and Tokyo only.

Yes, Madrids chances are little for Bids sites like gamesbids and around the rings.

^^ well, I will bet for Madrid if it is true, because I will win lot of money haha

Madrid is the best option, is a city that have been preparing for an olympic games for a long time and have the best infraestructures, a democratic stability and is in a country famous for how good are events that are organized there

The Madrid bid is a bad joke considering the billions of €€€ EU countries had to spend to save spanish banks!

it is joke for spanish, because we don't want this money, it is just an strategy to stole our money and to worse the labor conditions, health system, education, and the worst is that in the rest of europe you think that we deserve it, because you think we just do siesta :ohno: obviously, it is ridiculous, and anyone that reads a little bit( not in the ultra-capitalist media) will understand it

and remember, this €€€ are also spanish euros, because spain have put in the common fund lot of money in the past years.


yes, because, while we have to pay an interest of 7, you have to pay 1, and you are not intrested in change that speculative system, because you're getting rich at the expense of our suffering. Who were the ones that buy properties in spain with ridiculous prices?? spanish only??

the financial crisis is nothing more than theft. Banks in Spain are Spanish, but not only Spanish, are European and responsibility for what happens in them is in the government of Europe, not only in the Spanish one. All this financial problems come from the 70's, not because spanish are bad workers and just want to do the siesta, and who thinks like that is because is an ignorant

A news about today's weather. Doha and Madrid share the "equal" hot summer. Around 42+ Degree Celsius. Write it for anyone issuing the climate or weather or forecast.

Japan is regrettable, but gives it up.
I put it in Turkey of the pro-Japanese country.:D

A news about today's weather. Doha and Madrid share the "equal" hot summer. Around 42+ Degree Celsius. Write it for anyone issuing the climate or weather or forecast.

Sorry, but this information is taken out of context. These temperatures so high these days, is due to a heat wave that is suffering across Southern Europe in addition to Madrid, cities such as Rome and Athens also suffer. The average temperature in Madrid in August is 27.03 º
Obviously there are days that makes more heat than others, but to compare Madrid to Doha ...
http://www.esmadrid.com/en/portal.do?IDM=972&NM=2&TR=C&IDR=966

No country in Europe will host the Olympic Games twice in a short time - Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2020 = "just" 20 years. London waited more than 60 years.

And the economic crisis in Spain...Madrid wasting her time.

Tokyo will wait for another opportunity

I think it will be >Istanbul 2020<

No country in Europe will host the Olympic Games twice in a short time - Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2020 = "just" 20 years. London waited more than 60 years.

And the economic crisis in Spain...Madrid wasting her time.

Tokyo will wait for another opportunity

I think it will be >Istanbul 2020<

From the Olympic Games in Barcelona to Madrid 2020 will 28 years not 20 years, and for example France organized two Winter Olympic Games and two Summer Games with 24 years difference between the two editions

From the Olympic Games in Barcelona to Madrid 2020 will 28 years not 20 years, and for example France organized two Winter Olympic Games and two Summer Games with 24 years difference between the two editions

:D Calculated error 2012-1992 - 20 years.

But also 28 years is not much difference.

and winter Olympic Games No one cares,We're talking about summer games not winter games.

Madrid has built the 70% infrastructure Games before it won the bid. its not good.

no chance for Madrid In my opinion.

- Winter games are irrelevant

- You're referring to the era when tug of war was a sport.

:D Calculated error 2012-1992 - 20 years.

But also 28 years is not much difference.

and winter Olympic Games No one cares,We're talking about summer games not winter games.

Madrid has built the 70% infrastructure Games before it won the bid. its not good.

no chance for Madrid In my opinion.

Well, many people care about winter games, and they are in the same consideration when chosing the hosting countries...
So, probably Tokyo has an odd: the 2018 Winter games are in South Korea, and Tokyo already hosted the games in 1964, (and London three times, but it's another issue)
Spain would have a gap of almost 30 years, in different cities.

It's the 80% built, but actually the IOC requires built venues and pictures of them, not projects, (since what happened with the projects of London 2012), so, 2020 are the first games with this demand, built venues, not dreams on paper.

Tokyo and Madrid have almost everything built with a fantastic conditions and really suitable designs. I guess only the Olympic villa will be built, but as public housing (super demanded in both cities)
This along with the security and social situation in general makes Istambul the candidate with the fewer options in my opinion.
'The aesthetical thing of the union of two worlds, the islamic country, the strait, the country in development, etc.. befog the minds of some...'

/And Rio is something so, so, so different to Turkey, the society, the development, the peace, the culture, the richness, just in case some wanna compare both countries, it would be a joke/

So, probably Tokyo has an odd: the 2018 Winter games are in North Korea

The IOC would have a lot to answer for if the gave the games to North Korea.

The IOC would have a lot to answer for if the gave the games to North Korea.

Right, I guess, bad choice, but not many cities can host a winter games with security of snow and being in different countries with the necessary infraestructures, etc, but actually winter games need less of everything than the summer ones (Beijing is also something to ask about...)

I've been looking at the plans of the three cities, and I've seen Istambul has a very small number of rooms, 60.000, while Madrid is about 100.000 (considering that sailing will be in Valencia, and cities as BCN, Malaga... will be subsites) and Tokyo more than 100.000.

About the venues, Tokyo and Madrid have almost everything built, Istambul only few things, and a lot of stadiums planned, two different stadiums for athletics.
Tokyo has a very well organiced bid, two different blocks inside the downtown, Madrid has two lines of activity by the city center, one along the river and the parks, another on the east area and few venues in the city center like Santiago Bernabeu...

Istambul, on the contrary, has seven different areas along the metropolitan area and the sea, for example, one of the athletics stadiums with the olympic village and media, etc.. are in one piece not conected with the city (green area around) in the suburbs. There are some venues which could look really cool, like the main stadium by the sea, but the rest of areas have a very dissolved constructions, and so much to build..

About the infraestructures planned and existing, I've seen, both Tokyo and Madrid will not do anything relevant, they have amazing infraestructures, while looking at the proposal of Istambul, it seems that they are going to build the city in 6 years, dozens of km of subway, trams, roads,...
It's such a big amount of money and only 6 years... I can't believe it,
Probably the people who think Istambul will host it, have not read yet the complete plan (It's really long)
I can't find any other example of an olympic city with such an impossible proposal.

:D Calculated error 2012-1992 - 20 years.

But also 28 years is not much difference.

and winter Olympic Games No one cares,We're talking about summer games not winter games.

Madrid has built the 70% infrastructure Games before it won the bid. its not good.

no chance for Madrid In my opinion.

Not only in the Winter Olympics but also the summer Olympics, Paris hosted the games in 1900 and 1924 and the U.S. in 1984 and 1996
That Madrid has built 80% of the venues, in a context of global crisis is not only good, it is very very good

The Swedish king during handball game against brotherland Denmark. :lol:

http://pixholder.com/upload/1344532361.jpg

No country in Europe will host the Olympic Games twice in a short time - Barcelona 1992 - Madrid 2020 = "just" 20 years. London waited more than 60 years.

And the economic crisis in Spain...Madrid wasting her time.

Tokyo will wait for another opportunity

I think it will be >Istanbul 2020<

Wasting time and more important: money!! They should give up...

Well, many people care about winter games, and they are in the same consideration when chosing the hosting countries...
So, probably Tokyo has an odd: the 2018 Winter games are in North Korea, and Tokyo already hosted the games in 1964, (and London three times, but it's another issue)
Spain would have a gap of almost 30 years, in different cities.

It's the 80% built, but actually the IOC requires built venues and pictures of them, not projects, (since what happened with the projects of London 2012), so, 2020 are the first games with this demand, built venues, not dreams on paper.

Tokyo and Madrid have almost everything built with a fantastic conditions and really suitable designs. I guess only the Olympic villa will be built, but as public housing (super demanded in both cities)
This along with the security and social situation in general makes Istambul the candidate with the fewer options in my opinion.
'The aesthetical thing of the union of two worlds, the islamic country, the strait, the country in development, etc.. befog the minds of some...'

/And Rio is something so, so, so different to Turkey, the society, the development, the peace, the culture, the richness, just in case some wanna compare both countries, it would be a joke/

HAHAHAHAHA NORTH KOREA??? Its Pyongchang in South Korea, not pyongyang

HAHAHAHAHA NORTH KOREA??? Its Pyongchang in South Korea, not pyongyang

Am, so... change north to south..., I'll do it, it stays in the same region haha.

IMO it will be Tokyo

IMO it will be Tokyo

Αnd it s gonna be a very wise choice, after the crisis in south Europe (Madrid) and the ridiculous, hilarious statement about the olympic flame of Erdogan (Istanbul). Go Tokyo!

IMO it will be Tokyo

Out of curiousity, who was your early tip for 2016?

I think it was Madrid :D

Okay, mine was Rio. I think Istanbul will get 2020, continuing the IOC's pattern of spreading the games with less regard for the most 'efficient' bid.

Olympic Summer Games in major european countries:

UK - 1908 - (40 years) 1948 - (64 years) 2012
France - 1924 (now 88 years)
Spain - 1992 (20 years)
Germany - 1936 - (36 years) 1972 (40 years)
Russia - 1980 (32 years)
Turkey - 2020 (??)

To be honest, the next OSG in Europe should go to Paris and not to Madrid!!

Could be the "masterplan" of the IOC.

2024 should be in paris -> 2020 has to be in Tokyo

2020 Madrid
2024 Durban / Cape Town
2028 Paris
2032 In USA: New York City / Chicago / Los Angeles
2036 Berlin

Madrid : Europe
Tokyo : Asia

Give them to Istanbul, both Europe and Asia. Everybody will be happy.

And 2024 to Africa.

Yes, I believe Istanbul will get 2020 to tick the 'Islamic' box and 2024 will be Africa if South African can get their house in order.

I'm not convinced Durban makes a better candidate than Cape Town, it's like if Australia had mooted Brisbane before Sydney or Melbourne.

^^ Umm... we did. For 1992. Brisbane made a bid. Logically after hosting a successful Commonwealth Games in 1982. Anticipating the forthcoming World's Expo in 1988.

They lost because the bid didn't end up becoming compact as it should have been.

Madrid : Europe
Tokyo : Asia

Give them to Istanbul, both Europe and Asia. Everybody will be happy.

And 2024 to Africa.

I hate to say this. Istanbul isn't one of cities in Asia, since Turkey isn't Asian States, although geographically Asian, dude :bash:

Tokyo for 2020

Paris for 2024

Istanbul would be a good candidate but I want to see the Japanese again, I would back Istanbul for 2024 if they also went for that. Its too early for Madrid (It will be 28 years since they last hosted it).

Toronto for 2024. If Toronto bids and they propose something very similar to their compact 2008 bid, they will be extremely hard to beat.

Toronto for 2024. If Toronto bids and they propose something very similar to their compact 2008 bid, they will be extremely hard to beat.

they will win!! Because they will host a perfect 2015 panam games.

There s no chance Africa will get it if they dont host a smaller games thats why they will bid for CWG 22 in Durban, so no African bid unitl 2028.

Paris can bid for 2024 but with Istanbul winning they will just ger it in 2028.

Asia will host again just in 2032

If we were to base the winners based on medals in London 2012, Turkey would barely make it on the podium

they will win!! Because they will host a perfect 2015 panam games.

There s no chance Africa will get it if they dont host a smaller games thats why they will bid for CWG 22 in Durban, so no African bid unitl 2028.

Paris can bid for 2024 but with Istanbul winning they will just ger it in 2028.

Asia will host again just in 2032

Durban has no plans for a Commonwealth Games bid. If tasked with deciding between Commonwealth Games bid or Olympics, the city leaders have made it very clear that Olympics is the aim and that a Commonwealth games bid would only be entertained if National government made it very clear that Commonwealth was all the country would be going for.

If we were to base the winners based on medals in London 2012, Turkey would barely make it on the podium

3 of Japan's 7 golds came in women's wrestling. And another was in artistic gymnastics. From 130 million people.:cripes:

Toronto for 2024. If Toronto bids and they propose something very similar to their compact 2008 bid, they will be extremely hard to beat.

I can't see Toronto hosting the 2024 Olympics unless the USA bid flops somehow. You won't see Canada/USA host the games back to back either.

Paris, France and South Africa I see as being strong contenders for 2024.

Toronto will get the games in 2032, 2036 or 2040.

I looked in gamesbids and said that Nairobi is interested in having a shot for 2024, not sure whether they'd get to candidate stage but all the best :)

I can't see Toronto hosting the 2024 Olympics unless the USA bid flops somehow. You won't see Canada/USA host the games back to back either.

Paris, France and South Africa I see as being strong contenders for 2024.

Toronto will get the games in 2032, 2036 or 2040.

If Toronto bid alone I can see them really being in with a shot of getting it. They'res a lot of potential bids out there, if Nairobi can get to the candidature stage then I think they're in with a decent shot, if Durban bids (and not Cape Town) then I think they are less likely to draw in international support, Casablanca could also be a possibility for hosting the event (again if they can get to the candidature stage). Along with Africa, Dubai is in with a huge shot of hosting the event (less likely though should Istanbul win the rights for 2020 as expected). Paris is easily another major possibility.

To some it up! I think that at the moment an African nation is likely to win should the bids get to the candidature stage, if not then the likely odds are on Dubai, Paris and Toronto in my opinion. I see Toronto as the most likely out of those, as the African bids will unfortunately most likely struggle to reach the candidature stage. Dubai's bid will be hurt if Istanbul or Tokyo win (which is likely to happen), and Paris could struggle should Madrid or Istanbul win.

My odds at the moment!
2020 Istanbul
2024 Toronto
2028 Nairobi

I think that Baku, Dubai and Paris are likely to win events in the future as well.

Toronto 2024

New York might be the winner in 2024.

Some info from Istanbul's bid book:

- 7.08.2020-23.08.2020 (17 days)
- average temp. is 26,7 °C
- 9:00-21:00

Toronto 2024

Why are you so confident Canada has the right to host the games so soon?
Canada had 3 (1976-1988-2010)
Olympic Games in a period of time many other nations even bigger than CAN hosted none!!

Istambul 2020
Cape Town 2024
New York 2028

where on earth are some of you folks living saying that Nairobi has a good shot in any form?? have you been to Nairobi? have u seen what facilities they have? Nothing.

and then i read little further on and say that nairobi has potential but durban doesnt? wtf? guys some of you need to learn more about the world before writing off fantasy land stuff. i am not even saying Durban has the worlds best chance, but from a technical point of view, it is South Africa's best chance. and nairobi is not even in the same book let alone on the same page

But compare away to Nairobi all you want

where on earth are some of you folks living saying that Nairobi has a good shot in any form?? have you been to Nairobi? have u seen what facilities they have? Nothing.

and then i read little further on and say that nairobi has potential but durban doesnt? wtf? guys some of you need to learn more about the world before writing off fantasy land stuff. i am not even saying Durban has the worlds best chance, but from a technical point of view, it is South Africa's best chance. and nairobi is not even in the same book let alone on the same page

But compare away to Nairobi all you want

just wondering is there any shark attacks in durban? cape town shores as i know can be dangerous but i have no idea about durban

Why are you so confident Canada has the right to host the games so soon?
Canada had 3 (1976-1988-2010)
Olympic Games in a period of time many other nations even bigger than CAN hosted none!!

Bingo, the Games are becoming more and more global with every year, and Rogge has said he wants a 3rd world country to host the games sooner than later.

Canada, will get the games again in the 2030s, be it Toronto (Summer) or Quebec City (Winter)

2024 - while they may bid, I would be beyond shocked if they beat out other comparable bids like Durban, Paris, or even somewhere in the USA.

Why are you so confident Canada has the right to host the games so soon?
Canada had 3 (1976-1988-2010)
Olympic Games in a period of time many other nations even bigger than CAN hosted none!!

Because they came second in 2008, they hosted great winter games and will host panam games and north america dont get it since 96.

Winter games has almost zero effect to summer games, and what you say cant apply since USA did it: 84-96-02

The USA is the USA not other country.

The USA is the USA not other country.

So what? They have the same chance as any other

Other example: Japan 64-72-98

To the caribbean Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Jamaica.... etc....:banana2:

Tokyo seems the bookies choice for 2020 and Asia had it in 2008 not very far from there but it looks more like a retro Olympics to me, and also, why not use the Yokohama perfectly Olympic stadium than invest a billion to renovate an old stadium when you can use that money to build new venues that look like they're going to host a 2020 event, not the 60's? Not to mention that stadium has been used like 100% for football, kinda looks like the same mistake Italians did with Turin and Naples. Why should you build a stadium with big tracks when you don't have the slightest idea you would be able to host some games, just like Istanbul got surprise buttsexed with the Ataturk nobody wanted to use and the clubs built their own stadiums.
Tokyo and Yokohama are practically the same metro area, why insist with those old ruins in the Olympic park in central Tokyo?

Tokyo seems the bookies choice for 2020 and Asia had it in 2008 not very far from there but it looks more like a retro Olympics to me, and also, why not use the Yokohama perfectly Olympic stadium than invest a billion to renovate an old stadium when you can use that money to build new venues that look like they're going to host a 2020 event, not the 60's? Not to mention that stadium has been used like 100% for football, kinda looks like the same mistake Italians did with Turin and Naples. Why should you build a stadium with big tracks when you don't have the slightest idea you would be able to host some games, just like Istanbul got surprise buttsexed with the Ataturk nobody wanted to use and the clubs built their own stadiums.
Tokyo and Yokohama are practically the same metro area, why insist with those old ruins in the Olympic park in central Tokyo?

The olympic stadium MUST be in the host city

The olympic stadium MUST be in the host city


Really, who would give a damn if they would have used the bid under the name of Yokohama in this case, they did for 2008 just like they did with Tokyo for 2016 and failed.
And anyway, It's practically the same city, you mean that if Paris hosts, it can't use Stade de France because it's IN Saint-Denis not officially in Paris?

The USA is the USA not other country.

So? Times have changed, the IOC is not as US-friendly as in earlier times!
You should wait at least 50-60 years for new summer games like every other country!

^^ because there are only 3 candidate cities...

http://www.madrid2020.es/
http://tokyo2020.jp/en/index.php
http://www.istanbul2020.com.tr/

May the best city wins the 2020 Olympic/Paralympics bid...

The USA is the USA not other country.

Do you live still in the mid 80's??? Word has changed dude, 2012 here. And after Atlanta's olympic fiasco, USA is not the best option to host the Games again anytime soon. And both USA and IOC know it well.

tokyo -2020
durban-2024
new delhi-2028....

Istanbul for 2020!!

Really, who would give a damn if they would have used the bid under the name of Yokohama in this case, they did for 2008 just like they did with Tokyo for 2016 and failed.
And anyway, It's practically the same city, you mean that if Paris hosts, it can't use Stade de France because it's IN Saint-Denis not officially in Paris?

Its ioc rules not mine...

So? Times have changed, the IOC is not as US-friendly as in earlier times!
You should wait at least 50-60 years for new summer games like every other country!
Very smart from your part!! And tell me, what other countries can host such event in the Americas? :| the only countries I can think of are Argentina (Buenos Aires, but it's in South America.. so 2024 is unlikely..), Brazil (Rio, Sao Paulo but It would take decades to come back to Brazil if ever in this century..), Mexico (DF), Canada (had it in 2010, Toronto is the only one for 2024 if the US mess up) and the US, so it would be obvious that the Olympics come back to the US more often than most countries, and that's because IT IS the only country that can host the Olympic Games in many cities (Philadelphia, DC, SF, LA, NYC, CHI, Dallas, Boston, Seattle, Denver etc.) ...

Sanitago certainly, at a stretch Lima and maybe even Bogota.

Would love Montevideo

Although one of the safest cities in South America, and loaded with grand old buildings, it's very dilapidated. Would take billions in infrastructure improvements.

Santiago is sort of plastic by comparison but very modern and efficient.

I vote for the Olympics in India (second largest nation, will be the largest soon).
Also, hope there will be Olympics Riga-Tallinn-Vilnius in 2060 or so :lol:

Who said Baku sucks? Check this pic

Baku's panorama by Hans-Juergen Burkard

http://s018.radikal.ru/i528/1208/73/b0bd17f7124a.jpg

Do you live still in the mid 80's??? Word has changed dude, 2012 here. And after Atlanta's olympic fiasco, USA is not the best option to host the Games again anytime soon. And both USA and IOC know it well.

I'm 25, all I remember of the Atlanta games is Michael Johnson. Can someone fill me in on what the 'disaster' was?

I'm 25, all I remember of the Atlanta games is Michael Johnson. Can someone fill me in on what the 'disaster' was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing

Would love Montevideo

With the Americas hosting in 2016 and many other like New York, Chicago or Toronto trying, I totally doubt Montevideo will host the games anytime soon.

Let alone Atlanta's "dirty tricks" to some IOC members in order to win the bid process...

Romney for president.

http://media.salon.com/2012/07/RomneyOlympics-rect-460x307.png

Let alone Atlanta's "dirty tricks" to some IOC members in order to win the bid process...

Just like Rio in 2016..

I'm 25, all I remember of the Atlanta games is Michael Johnson. Can someone fill me in on what the 'disaster' was?

The US losing the gold medal in the men's 100m sprint (and title of world's fastest man) to Donovan Bailey of Canada. The disaster was complete when Canada beat the US men's 4 x 100 m relay team for the gold medal a few days later.

Atlanta Olympic stadium sat dazed as did the NBC commentator. :yes:

I'd like to think Istanbul, given that Tokyo did it in 1964 + East Asia did it in 2008 , and Spain is in economic crisis + W. Europe did it this year.

Who said Baku sucks?

Agreed, Baku is an amazing city, I can really see them having a shot at hosting the games some time in the future, but unfortunately considering the competition for the 2024 (and possibly 2028) games, I can see the most likely chance they have of hosting is in 2032, especially if Istanbul win the rights for the 2020 edition.

They were nowhere near the shortlist for either 2016 or 2020.

It's funny to see this worry about great europeans countries when you think that South America waited 120 years to make its first OG.

Olympic Summer Games in major european countries:

UK - 1908 - (40 years) 1948 - (64 years) 2012
France - 1924 (now 88 years)
Spain - 1992 (20 years)
Germany - 1936 - (36 years) 1972 (40 years)
Russia - 1980 (32 years)
Turkey - 2020 (??)

To be honest, the next OSG in Europe should go to Paris and not to Madrid!!

why not PUTRAJAYA, MALAYSIA host the summer olympic games 2028?... its an excellent city for sports and health life...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DPIrd_qiV1Y/S9bTBGkrfnI/AAAAAAAAAD4/CzdvFgijlxc/s1600/putrajaya.jpg
http://blog.asiahotels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Putrajaya-Government-Buildings.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/maestro_barracuda/Masjid%20Besi/20090821_1913a.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mSpDjvqhuxM/TAsqChFR0sI/AAAAAAAAAA0/4H4B1C7jqgI/s1600/Monumen_Alaf_Baru.jpg

I've voted for Tokyo but that's strategic. Indeed, if Tokyo was to host the 2020 summer Games, then Paris could bid for 2024 & have a pretty good chance to win.

But if I had to vote in a 'honest' way, I would like Istanbul or Madrid to win.

I had the chance of going to Istanbul last april for 3 days, haven't seen much of it as I wasn't on vacation but this city looks amazing. The architecture is booming over there, heaps of amazing & gigantic schemes all over the place, I was really impressed. The weather looks great, the sea is turquoise, the mosks are so beautiful. Regarding the people on the spot (way too crowded for me tbh), I can't really tell, I'd need more time to realize whether they're warm or not, but I have a feeling they are though. However, I thought their means of transport (buses in particular) were really outdated, they really need to improve that...& they drive like nuts I must say.

I love Madrid though, gorgeous city, gorgeous architecture, great food, very beautiful weather, great beaches, amazing seas, I really appreciate the spanish people & their musical & so sexy language :lol:.

We'll see what happens anyway, in case Madrid or Istanbul win, Paris will therefore be forced to bid for 2028 instead of 2024, but whatever, 4 years fly...

To sum up, may the best win.

It is ridiculous to think that Spain could host the Olympics in 2020. If EVERYBODY knew the number of spanishes who are coming to Chile and Argentina to looking for a job, u wouldnt say that. Spain has no chance!


Spain is bankrupt. The second richest province in Spain (Cataluña) are asking billions of euros to keep forward, for example.


The best choice is Istanbul!!! Rio de Janeiro, for example, do not have an excellent infrastructure and they have several problems, and the won over Tokyo and Madrid. :cheers:

I vote for the Olympics in India (second largest nation, will be the largest soon).
Also, hope there will be Olympics Riga-Tallinn-Vilnius in 2060 or so :lol:

tokyo -2020
durban-2024
new delhi-2028....

Did you follow DELHI - 2010 Commonwealth Games (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1171311&highlight=commonwealth&page=76) ?

It was quite dissapointing.

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http://www.daylife.com/photo/00icgNC5xafkE?q=Commonwealth+Games

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^^ People look so bored, no magic and excitement :nuts:


Source (http://www.daylife.com/photo/00Es6Fu1Nd6t5?q=Commonwealth+Games)

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^^

I knew it :D

http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy153/indianrockstars10/104875054.jpg

http://drop.ndtv.com/albums/SPORTS/cwgday3/15.jpg


BTW the ticket sales are rising and swimming, badminton etc were almost full. If you want to read an article on it then go to the Delhi CWG thread.

Agreed, Baku is an amazing city, I can really see them having a shot at hosting the games some time in the future, but unfortunately considering the competition for the 2024 (and possibly 2028) games, I can see the most likely chance they have of hosting is in 2032, especially if Istanbul win the rights for the 2020 edition.
Thank you for feedback. It is just city is currently under major U/C named "White City Project" which will make city extremely beautiful.

Thank you for feedback. It is just city is currently under major U/C named "White City Project" which will make city extremely beautiful.

plus the masterplan will be finished by 2030
and Khazar Islands by 2022 which will have few stadiums
so I think Baku got good chances if they bid for 2028

Toronto 2020 book it.
http://www.anuz.info/jie1.jpg

^^ um bit slow there

Right, I guess, bad choice, but not many cities can host a winter games with security of snow and being in different countries with the necessary infraestructures, etc, but actually winter games need less of everything than the summer ones (Beijing is also something to ask about...)

I've been looking at the plans of the three cities, and I've seen Istambul has a very small number of rooms, 60.000, while Madrid is about 100.000 (considering that sailing will be in Valencia, and cities as BCN, Malaga... will be subsites) and Tokyo more than 100.000.

About the venues, Tokyo and Madrid have almost everything built, Istambul only few things, and a lot of stadiums planned, two different stadiums for athletics.
Tokyo has a very well organiced bid, two different blocks inside the downtown, Madrid has two lines of activity by the city center, one along the river and the parks, another on the east area and few venues in the city center like Santiago Bernabeu...

Istambul, on the contrary, has seven different areas along the metropolitan area and the sea, for example, one of the athletics stadiums with the olympic village and media, etc.. are in one piece not conected with the city (green area around) in the suburbs. There are some venues which could look really cool, like the main stadium by the sea, but the rest of areas have a very dissolved constructions, and so much to build..

About the infraestructures planned and existing, I've seen, both Tokyo and Madrid will not do anything relevant, they have amazing infraestructures, while looking at the proposal of Istambul, it seems that they are going to build the city in 6 years, dozens of km of subway, trams, roads,...
It's such a big amount of money and only 6 years... I can't believe it,
Probably the people who think Istambul will host it, have not read yet the complete plan (It's really long)
I can't find any other example of an olympic city with such an impossible proposal.

have you been to Istanbul before?

plus the masterplan will be finished by 2030
and Khazar Islands by 2022 which will have few stadiums
so I think Baku got good chances if they bid for 2028

Baku missed the shortlist by miles for both 2016 and 2020. If, by some miricle, they do shortlist for 2028 for example, I still don't think the IOC as a whole will choose them over Paris, Berlin, New York, an African city, Istanbul or whoever else might be bidding. The applicant city report made it clear Baku has a long way to go before it even shortlists, and even if it does get to the correct technical level, it doesn't have the international profile of the cities it will be competing with, Sorry.

Baku missed the shortlist by miles for both 2016 and 2020. If, by some miricle, they do shortlist for 2028 for example, I still don't think the IOC as a whole will choose them over Paris, Berlin, New York, an African city, Istanbul or whoever else might be bidding. The applicant city report made it clear Baku has a long way to go before it even shortlists, and even if it does get to the correct technical level, it doesn't have the international profile of the cities it will be competing with, Sorry.

Baku couldnt manage to make it to the shortlist because there is too much too build
as I said Baku will be completely rebuilt by 2030
many projects to be completed
and many stadiums will be completed so I think Baku got real chances by 2028
and projects like the extension of Baku metro from 23 stations to 70 by 2030
plus major cities like New York and Paris will be bidding for 2024

Some interesting comments re: Istanbul and 2020, and maybe Turkey's plans to improve in some non-traditional sports:

What impact has the inclusion of sevens in the Olympics had on Turkish rugby and the perception of the sport in Turkey? Rio 2016 will mark rugby’s return to the games and Brazil have made strides toward fielding a competitive team. Istanbul is a strong candidate to host 2020. If you are awarded the games, do you think the government will make an effort to improve the strength of Turkish rugby?

It’s had a serious impact. As a candidate for 2020, it will be very important to be successful in sevens. The Olympic games are one of our biggest targets. And I’m sure if we’re awarded hosting rights we’ll find a way to qualify. I don’t see it as a dream, if we land the games we’ll work to make it reality. We are growing the profile of sevens already with the International Istanbul Rugby Sevens Tournament, of which Rugby Turkiye magazine is the media partner. It has been running for three years now and continues to grow in scope and profile.

everyone underestimates Madrid, ultimately won by members of the CIO mathematics. Keep dreaming cities not democratic and without ability to organize any event democratic by Islamists.

everyone underestimates Madrid, ultimately won by members of the CIO mathematics. Keep dreaming cities not democratic and without ability to organize any event democratic by Islamists.

Nobody underestimate Madrid. Madrid is a big city, beautiful city with a good infrasutructure and sport facilities. But it is better to be realistic, during the M-15 movement, when Spain is struggling with a new economic crisis (wich is so fresh and didnt show is real impect yet) when Spainish government is cutting the sallaries of the people and Madrid is full of demostrations, Olympic is a suicide for Spain and having fun with the worker class of Spain. Unemployment is real and very high, Spanish yought demostrates with he slogans of "Real Democracia Ya and Madrid is candidate for Olympics! Only last wee Spain got a new 3 billion Euro as depth and fiancial credites to the banks are not received back and it is an asthronomic number. Maybe people on the streets of Madrid lie they are really happy and everything is fine. By the way, none of the slamists dream anything. I remind you of other candidates, Istanbul and Tokyo.

Olympic Games in Madrid is not realistic at the moment.

Some interesting comments re: Istanbul and 2020, and maybe Turkey's plans to improve in some non-traditional sports:

Maybe Rugby w,ll come back to Turkey. At the begining of the 20th century Rugby was a popular sport in Turkey, instead of basketball, but later lost its importance. Now we have some university teams. University sports are amater but students have a national league. Also Inönü Stadium wich is at the heart of the city is mentioned as the venue of the Olympics Rugby tournement in 2020.