One thing to look at wrt the hosting of other events is the time line, I think it is important to note that nearly every major event hosted in SA has happend in the last 15 years (due to the countries history) this at least shows a huge amount of recent expertise.

What I would find interesting on a city to city analysis is how many of the olympic sports have had a major world(continental for bigger codes/multisport events aswell) tournement in the city or country(for spread competitions) in the last 20 odd years.

lol !! This point goes in favour of Delhi again. Delhi will host 2010 games. That's just 3 years before the 2020 bidding. Apart from that India is hosting 2011 cricket world cup (including matches in Delhi). How much more recent do you expect ?

Far, far, far too early to tell anything about 2024 yet.

If India pulls off the Commonwealth Games they're in with a chance of hosting an Olympics in the future. If the problems with preparations continue into the Games then India won't be seeing an Olympics for a while and the IOC won't touch them with a barge pole.

If 2020 goes to either Cape Town or Tokyo (both cities which I think have a real chance of winning) then 2024 would look unlikely for Delhi also.

I suppose your best hope is:

1. Pulling of a great CWGs (prerequisite to an Olympic bid)
2. Hoping Cape Town and Tokyo don't bid
3. If they do bid and Delhi doesn't win, hoping a European city takes 2020 rather than either of those two, so that a 2024 repeat bid has a good chance.

Exactly !!

Similarly, South Africa currently has the world's third largest infrastructure spend.

Can you mention the source ? I seems to be too unrealistic. South Africa is 32nd largest economy of the world with a GDP of $276 billion, while India has a GDP of $1.2 trillion. India is spending $500 billion (almost double of SA's GDP) in its 11th 5-year plan (2007-2012) in infrastructure and $1 trillion in 12th 5-year plan (2012-2017). By 2017, India's annual spend on just infrastructure will be more than the current GDP of South Africa.

I've been to both Brazil & India. Here is what I've noticed:

Brazil:
--VAST differences of wealth. No middle class whatsoever. People either live in a skyscrapers or filthy slums. The rich areas of Brazilian cities are just like America, but the poor areas are just like Africa. Almost all cities have huge slum areas
-- Infrastructure is okay for now, but not much development/modernization going on.
--Beautiful culture. Beautiful people.
--Crime & Drug problems

India:
--HUGE middle class. Lots of poor people as well. Mumbai has a lot of slums, but other cities don't have too many slums (Bangalore, Hyderabad, etc.).
--Infrastructure is poor right now, but HUGE infrastructure upgrades going on. Will surely outpace Brazil in 10 yrs
--Beautiful culture & diverse people
--Huge untapped tourism market
--Very little crime
--Terrorism from Pakistan is a problem

It seems like the IOC is starting to favor developing countries hosting the games.


I think Delhi, India has a good chance of winning, given the growing India clout on the world stage. South Asia has never hosted the games. And a successful 2010 Commonwealth Games could get Delhi the Olympics bid.

Delhi has gone thru HUGE infrastructure change to prepare for the 2010 Commonwealth Games...this could help secure the bid for Delhi.

Rio De Janeiro is a beautiful city and I am SO glad that it's gotten the 2016 bid.

Brazil IS more developed than India, BUT Delhi is more developed than Rio De Janeiro.

Thats the point.............if infrastructure,appearanceand development is a criteria..then Delhi being better than Rio can get Olympics hosting!!!!!

Firstly, Olympics cannot be hosted in 2 cities. While Delhi alone has hosted big tournaments as I said. So, that point goes in favour of Delhi.

Secondly, do you think Asian games are small in any respect ? And what about commonwealth games? Delhi will have hosted 3 kinds of such Olympic like games (in terms of events, not in terms of size) by 2010 vs. 0 for any South African city. Still you believe that South Africa has an upper hand !!

I never said the Olympics will be held in both cities. I said that both cities have shown interest in bidding for the Olympics. Go have another read of what I said.

Can you mention the source ? I seems to be too unrealistic. South Africa is 32nd largest economy of the world with a GDP of $276 billion, while India has a GDP of $1.2 trillion. India is spending $500 billion (almost double of SA's GDP) in its 11th 5-year plan (2007-2012) in infrastructure and $1 trillion in 12th 5-year plan (2012-2017). By 2017, India's annual spend on just infrastructure will be more than the current GDP of South Africa.

I will locate the article in question for you when I have time later today.

Regarding the GDP of India and South Africa, you seem to be forgetting the fact that there is a MASSIVE difference between the population sizes of the two countries. It is expected that India would have a GDP that would dwarf South Africa's, but if we take a look at the GDP Per Capita of the two countries it paints a very different picture.

Furthermore, as I've mentioned in the past, due to a single city hosting the Olympics, the GDP of India or South Africa as a whole is an unimportant figure. Infrastructural spend, on the other hand, is - hence me mentioning the fact that South Africa currently has the world's third largest infrastructual spend. India is going to need to spend far, far more money on infrastructure in order to accommodate all those who intend on using it than South Africa would need to for its own citizens.

We need to take a look at the cities who plan on bidding and what their infrastructure is like. What venues are available and what transport system are or would be put into place? We also needt to look at other factors such as entertainment appeal, sporting history and previous events hosting history. A South African city is going to no doubt play heavily on the fact that it has just acted as a host city to the largest sporting event in the world should the FIFA WC go well next year, as well as the fact that it has hosted the third and fourth largest sporting tournaments within the last 15 years.

SA is great ...........it should get the hosting privilege.......but sorrowfully.......it won't lol!!!

SA is great ...........it should get the hosting privilege.......but sorrowfully.......it won't lol!!!

Fail.

I never said the Olympics will be held in both cities. I said that both cities have shown interest in bidding for the Olympics. Go have another read of what I said.

I had read it properly but you haven't understood what I said. I wanted to say that these 2 cities (or even more) have hosted different games out of those listed by you. But Delhi alone has hosted many more games. When Cape Town will bid for Olympics, you won't say that Durban, Johannesburg etc. have also hosted XYZ. You have to talk about Cape Town only. Other cities will come very late in the picture, after all Cape Town itself has to do all the preparations for the Games.

I will locate the article in question for you when I have time later today.

Regarding the GDP of India and South Africa, you seem to be forgetting the fact that there is a MASSIVE difference between the population sizes of the two countries. It is expected that India would have a GDP that would dwarf South Africa's, but if we take a look at the GDP Per Capita of the two countries it paints a very different picture.

Furthermore, as I've mentioned in the past, due to a single city hosting the Olympics, the GDP of India or South Africa as a whole is an unimportant figure. Infrastructural spend, on the other hand, is - hence me mentioning the fact that South Africa currently has the world's third largest infrastructual spend. India is going to need to spend far, far more money on infrastructure in order to accommodate all those who intend on using it than South Africa would need to for its own citizens.


Come on. I wasn't making comparisons to show that India is better than SA in infrastructure spending. I wanted to state that your fact (SA being the third highest spender on infrastructure) is wrong. I put those figures to show that India, and many other countries, spend more than SA because of their size. SA being a small country cannot spend more than India or any similar sized country. Of course, it can spend more on per capita basis, and it can be the third highest spender on per capita basis, but not in absolute terms !! I don't understand why you took these benign statements wrongly !!

Lets all calm down. Neither Delhi/ Cape Town/ Durban have confirmed bids.

Lets all calm down. Neither Delhi/ Cape Town/ Durban have confirmed bids.

Many cities haven't confirmed their bids. That does not means we should stop discussions then.

Brazil IS more developed than India, BUT Delhi is more developed than Rio De Janeiro.

Excuse me, wh-what :?

Rio de Janeiro per capita GDP (PPP): US$12,500
Delhi per capita GDP (PPP): US$1,450

Delhi HDI: 0,737
Rio de Janeiro HDI: 0,842

By the way, when would these Olympics happen?
Climate in Delhi (Average low-Average High (ºC)):
July: 27-37
August: 27-34

It's not Doha for sure, but these would be the hottest Olympics ever! Everyone complained about the heat in Atlanta and Beijing, but they are nothing compared to Delhi. I'd rather have Cape Town's cold weather, which is also far from ideal (and would also be the coldest ever, wouldn't they?)

Many cities haven't confirmed their bids. That does not means we should stop discussions then.

Continue discussion. Definitely. Just calm down before some other join the debate/discussion and inevitable happens

Excuse me, wh-what :?

Rio de Janeiro per capita GDP (PPP): US$12,500
Delhi per capita GDP (PPP): US$1,450

Delhi HDI: 0,737
Rio de Janeiro HDI: 0,842

By the way, when would these Olympics happen?
Climate in Delhi (Average low-Average High (ºC)):
July: 27-37
August: 27-34

It's not Doha for sure, but these would be the hottest Olympics ever! Everyone complained about the heat in Atlanta and Beijing, but they are nothing compared to Delhi. I'd rather have Cape Town's cold weather, which is also far from ideal (and would also be the coldest ever, wouldn't they?)

Ya Rio has world class roads(pot holed and small),world class airport(ew),world class metro system(42 km long.....gosh thats long) with High speed airport express line(dus it?)....world class housing(slums).Rio is cold (but girls are hott)..............

Sry for this joke(was it?????).........Rio is a good city and it will have a very nice infrastructure by 2016(it better!!!!)........and i m really proud that the games have gone to Rio........and frankly speaking Brazilian guys shud now take a back seat..........its not Rio vs Delhi thread...........its about 2020..you people have already got 2016.......so there is no point of justifying your claim.........!!!!!!!!!!

Istanbul Ready For Fifth Olympic Bid

Turkish government sports official Mehmet Atalay said Tuesday Istanbul Turkey has decided to launch another Olympic bid, and he believes the city's chances are much stronger this time, reports the Associated Press.

Atalay, head of the International Sports Organisation of the Turkish Republic, announced details of the bid, saying, "we strongly believe that we are going to have the best bid for 2020".

Istanbul has had four failed bids - for the 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012 Summer Games. It skipped the 2016 Games which was awarded last month to Rio de Janeiro.

Atalay said, "we didn't bid for 2016 because we were in a preparation period. It started with the Champions League final, which was a huge success. Turkey is a big country and it has much potential for host such events. But we wanted to get ready (for another Olympic bid) - completely fully ready".

Atalay says that 85 per cent of the Turkish population is already behind the bid in Istanbul, and he promised the full support of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul.

But Turkey won't give up on the Olympics if it has another failed bid. Ataly said, "we will keep on bidding until we get it. We have the history, we have the culture, we have the experience. We are the bridge between Europe and Asia: different culture, different religions - they all live in Turkey in a friendly environment". :)

But if delhi decides to bid for 2020 olympics than the turkey should back away to avoid one more disappointment of a failed bid.

I think Istanbul have a better chance of winning

Wow,there has been so much discussion about Delhi, Capetown/Durban, Rio(Don't know, Rio is discussed here, they already got the Olympics...comparison , YES)......what if none of these cities actually bid for the 2020 games.:nuts:What if Istanbul bids again and are successfull. What if another city from India bids say Bangalore(Agree, the facilities available now are not enough).....but its known to be a more global city(fact or not).!!!!

I think Istanbul have a better chance of winning

according to u even kabul as a chance against india......bias!!!!!!!!!!!!
And hey i don't think so that istanbul is a weak contender........see my top candidates list...ive place istanbul 5th.........Istanbul aka Byzantium aka Constantinople is a legendary city that joins two great contienents...........!!!!!!!!!

Wow,there has been so much discussion about Delhi, Capetown/Durban, Rio(Don't know, Rio is discussed here, they already got the Olympics...comparison , YES)......what if none of these cities actually bid for the 2020 games.:nuts:What if Istanbul bids again and are successfull. What if another city from India bids say Bangalore(Agree, the facilities available now are not enough).....but its known to be a more global city(fact or not).!!!!

They should held Olympics in Mumbai...which is more global than anyother city but mumbai is low on fashion and looks.........delhites are more fashionable(its India's fashion capital with eighty top desingers of the country calling it home compare to 35 in mumbai and a much grander fashion week)............great people......great culture....and the most important factor.........best infrastructure in the country..........but by 2020 i hope mumbai will also be good on infra scale but rite now its not upto even the Indian standards of Hyderabad,bangalore,ahmedabad and surat.and the major reason is its industrial base which demands workers from all over the country which coupled with poor urban planning results into more and more slum.......though now they are removing them but at snail pace......delhi has almost got rid of her 76% slums during games preps rest will be removed by 2011!!!!!!

Excuse me, wh-what :?

Rio de Janeiro per capita GDP (PPP): US$12,500
Delhi per capita GDP (PPP): US$1,450

Delhi HDI: 0,737
Rio de Janeiro HDI: 0,842

By the way, when would these Olympics happen?
Climate in Delhi (Average low-Average High (ºC)):
July: 27-37
August: 27-34

It's not Doha for sure, but these would be the hottest Olympics ever! Everyone complained about the heat in Atlanta and Beijing, but they are nothing compared to Delhi. I'd rather have Cape Town's cold weather, which is also far from ideal (and would also be the coldest ever, wouldn't they?)
india's percapita gdp(ppp)=$ 2,780
Delhi's per capita gdp(ppp) is 3 times of India=$ 8,340
.....You hav written per capita income and that to of 2000

does it snow in Cape town..........because just 220km north-east of delhi it does nd that to heavily and delhi is mildly warm in october with temp between 15-22 not 25-35 and in dec and jan temp even go to -.6 to 4........and with global warming temp. are actually decreasing and by 2024 it may even snow here....if to go by Roland Emmerich!!!!

Wow,there has been so much discussion about Delhi, Capetown/Durban, Rio(Don't know, Rio is discussed here, they already got the Olympics...comparison , YES)......what if none of these cities actually bid for the 2020 games.:nuts:What if Istanbul bids again and are successfull. What if another city from India bids say Bangalore(Agree, the facilities available now are not enough).....but its known to be a more global city(fact or not).!!!!

Of late, Bangalore has earned a lot of name coz of IT industry but that does not means it has become more global. There are lot of factors besides name (I suppose Baghdad is more popular than any of the Indian cities coz of wrong reasons). I somewhere read about the global cities ranks. There Delhi and Mumbai were at same level and Bangalore was at 2 hierarchies lower. And no other city from India got a place in that list.

Anyways, more important thing here would be sports and general infrastructure, which Delhi has developed quite a lot courtesy Asian games 1982 and now CWG 2010, besides more efficient state govt. Bangalore on the other has recently started booming and will take some time to have good infrastructure. In all probability, an Indian bid for 2020 games will be from Delhi. Hopefully, if India bids for other games in future, then either of Mumbai or Bangalore or Hyderabad will be strongest contenders.

Sorry, but KL isn't even going to bid. They don't want the 2020 Games. Like it was posted before, they want the 2013 IOC Session:

http://en.olympic.cn/news/olympic_news/2009-05-19/1798137.html

Exactly. The Sports Ministry already made it clear that they want to concentrate on bidding for the 2019 Asian Games first before we even think of the Olympics.

Exactly. The Sports Ministry already made it clear that they want to concentrate on bidding for the 2019 Asian Games first before we even think of the Olympics.

Seems like KL is trying the same route as Rio and Toronto. First land the continental event, then the global one. It worked for Rio, and Toronto is hoping it will work for them too.

Ya Rio has world class roads(pot holed and small),world class airport(ew),world class metro system(42 km long.....gosh thats long) with High speed airport express line(dus it?)....world class housing(slums).Rio is cold (but girls are hott)..............

Sry for this joke(was it?????).........Rio is a good city and it will have a very nice infrastructure by 2016(it better!!!!)........and i m really proud that the games have gone to Rio........and frankly speaking Brazilian guys shud now take a back seat..........its not Rio vs Delhi thread...........its about 2020..you people have already got 2016.......so there is no point of justifying your claim.........!!!!!!!!!!

I'm just calling your lie here. You're trying to diminish Rio de Janeiro to make Delhi look better. The problem is Delhi has a long way ahead of it to get to Rio's level.
1 - Rio has a 42 km subway system. Delhi has 78 km with double the population.
2 - You referred to the housing in Rio with snark, well, if you are mocking the life conditions in a city with 0,842 HDI, what to say about Delhi's 0,737? Rio was already better than that level in the 80's.

Numbers speak for themselves, and Rio de Janeiro has a US$201 billion GDP in PPP terms and is among the 30 richest cities in the world, whereas Delhi has US$70 billion GDP while having twice Rio's population.

And the city's conditions are just the beginning of Delhi's problems in order to host the games. We also have to consider lack of influence within the IOC, competition with other new frontiers and the organizational problems in the 2010 CWG.

I'm sure Delhi will become one of the most influent cities in the world in this century, but it will need a lot of work in order to even catch up with another cities of the underdeveloped world like Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Mexico City or Cape Town.

^^ No offense, but India is just plain dirty and chaotic. That could be fixed, however I doubt the place would be appealing by the time a 2020 decision is made. And the with terrible humid weather?

Tokyo's mayor wants the city to bid again for 2020. Tough challenge!
Voices in SA are going up for a SA city to bid as well. Most probably Cape Town and Durban. I'd vote for Durban, but Cape Town will probably be best because of its worldly stature.

^^ No offense, but India is just plain dirty and chaotic. That could be fixed, however I doubt the place would be appealing by the time a 2020 decision is made. And the with terrible humid weather?

ok india is dirty and chaotic...........and thats alll india is.........@!!

ok india is dirty and chaotic...........and thats alll india is.........@!!

By 2012, Delhi would be a world city for sure, Delhi must bid for 2020:)

Delhi is no more the Delhi which it used to be in 1980's. See New Delhi in CWG 2010, i hope you people change your views. And please, no one can judge any country just with a view of one city. Every place has its bad and the good points.

And please, no one can judge any country just with a view of one city.

Well, the Olympics is held in one city ;)

Not to say that I personally think Delhi is dirty/grimy etc.

1 - Rio has a 42 km subway system. Delhi has 78 km with double the population.


The right comparison would be how Delhi will by 2020 instead of right now. By 2020, Delhi will have a subway system longer than London Underground (and 190 km by 2010 CWG).

Delhi airport is being expanded at a huge scale. By 2026 (or may be even earlier, given India is now poised to grow faster than 10% per annum), its capacity would be more than 100 million passangers per annum. For a comparison, the busiest airport of the world currently handles 90 million pax.

According to claims by govt. of Delhi, by 2010 the city will have the second highest no. of grade separators, next only to Tokyo. And by 2020, you can yourself imagine.

Delhi's bus system is being upgraded at war footing. By 2010, most of the buses in Delhi will be low-floor (and by 2012, all 11,000 odd buses will be low-floor) from "zero" in 2007. Even London, I believe has 8,000 buses. So, you can imagine the investments made. By 2020, there would obviously be even more improvements. And these figures do not include the suburbs. All figures are for the core city itself.

Already there are 3 expressways in Delhi metropolitan region and by 2020, there will be many times more in number.

I agree there are problems right now, but that does not means they cannot be solved. Delhi has more than 6 million vehicles in the core city and more than 11 million in metropolitan region. No other city has so many vehicles. Now with these numbers, congestion, pollution etc. are bound to happen. But the solution has already arrived - the Metro !! It is being constructed at a rapid pace not seen before anywhere. Only Beijing and Shanghai subways are comparable in size and pace of construction.

Similarly, all other problems are being solved at a rapid pace, a pace which cannot be seen in Brazil coz it is growing at a much slower pace than India. A difference of 4-5% seems to be small but over the years it becomes enormous coz of compounding. That's why Delhi (or India) can change at a much much faster pace by 2020 as compared to other countries. You won't have to wait much to see palpable changes in India. What you have seen is the beginning. The movies has just started :)

Well, the Commonwealth Games will be the big test. So far, given the progress to-date, I don't think the IOC would want to incur such a risk for the Olympic Games. If they can pull it off next year, perhaps the world will have second thoughts on their skepticism.

Well, the Commonwealth Games will be the big test. So far, given the progress to-date, I don't think the IOC would want to incur such a risk for the Olympic Games. If they can pull it off next year, perhaps the world will have second thoughts on their skepticism.

Yes. This IS going to be the biggest test. BTW, IOC doesn't have to incur any risk as bidding will happen in 2013, good 3 years after CWG.

Seems like KL is trying the same route as Rio and Toronto. First land the continental event, then the global one. It worked for Rio, and Toronto is hoping it will work for them too.

Probably. Even though KL has hosted the Commonwealth Games in 1998 we narrowly missed the Asian Games of 2006 to Doha so I guess they want to try and land the regional one again in 2019 before going for the Olympics. I personally feel that 2020 is too soon for KL to host the games, we have other issues to iron out first. Maybe we should host it only after we achieve our aim of becoming a high-income economy.

CWG is the acid test , if Delhi can pull that off then it'll have a successful Asiad and CWG behind it, the next bigger step is surely the Olympics since India is not much of a football nation and won't hold football WC any time soon.

Probably. Even though KL has hosted the Commonwealth Games in 1998 we narrowly missed the Asian Games of 2006 to Doha so I guess they want to try and land the regional one again in 2019 before going for the Olympics. I personally feel that 2020 is too soon for KL to host the games, we have other issues to iron out first. Maybe we should host it only after we achieve our aim of becoming a high-income economy.

I agree. KL will get the games, but it's best to be patient and bid when the time is right. I wanted Toronto to win in 1996, then I wanted a winning bid in 2008. In hindsight, it's better that it didn't happen then. Toronto is transforming and growing so quickly, the city will be more of a showcase in 2020 or later than it would have been at those earlier dates.

KL's situation is slightly different, as you've eluded to income levels, but KL is best to wait too.

i think india should drop out and re bid(even though how much it develops) when rest of the world thinks that india is not the land of snake charmers and fakirs anymor.....and that day will come in infinity A.D.!!!!!!!!!lol

you think...who cares what a tribal african think.....jungle boy from rainforests.........heir of the great Tarzan.lol!!!!!!!!!!!

we have rainforests (in cape town) cool can you take me? please! I know we have an awsome mountain, pristine beaches, a world class waterfront, getting a pretty cool urban park, the most diverse floral region in the world (we have a whole kingdom) but I cant find this rainforest :( (for that you have to go to george about half a days drive but its a temprate one)

Does it snow in Cape town..........because just 220km north-east of delhi it does nd that to heavily and delhi is mildly warm in october with temp between 15-22 not 25-35 and in dec and jan temp even go to -.6 to 4........and with global warming temp. are actually decreasing and by 2024 it may even snow here....if to go by Roland Emmerich!!!!

Not normally (we get snow in ceres which is like 3 hours from CT but its very light only major snow in SA is in the drakensberg.

I'm just calling your lie here. You're trying to diminish Rio de Janeiro to make Delhi look better. The problem is Delhi has a long way ahead of it to get to Rio's level.
1 - Rio has a 42 km subway system. Delhi has 78 km with double the population.( it wiill be 190 km by 2010 .and total length of 450km by 2020)
2 - You referred to the housing in Rio with snark, well, if you are mocking the life conditions in a city with 0,842 HDI, what to say about Delhi's 0,737? Rio was already better than that level in the 80's.(delhi only has 1 million of her people in slums and they too will be displaced by 2011 while rio (with half popl)has some 2.7 million in slums.....it is written in wiki that tho it a major metropolis but still)

Numbers speak for themselves, and Rio de Janeiro has a US$201 billion GDP in PPP terms and is among the 30 richest cities in the world, whereas Delhi has US$70(city mayors website says $95 billion in 2005.now by 9.2% growth it should be $145 by now and Delhi as a city don't have much business in......its majority of trade happens in Gurgaon,Noida and other nearby cities....its more of a ceremonial type and that further increases its GDP(PPP))
billion GDP while having twice Rio's population.

And the city's conditions are just the beginning of Delhi's problems in order to host the games. We also have to consider lack of influence within the IOC, competition with other new frontiers and the organizational problems in the 2010 CWG.

I'm sure Delhi will become one of the most influent cities in the world in this century, but it will need a lot of work in order to even catch up with another cities of the underdeveloped world like Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Mexico City or Cape Town.

.well don't bother on such comments like that of this yashchauhan guy......have patience..rio is a great city........and i'll like to visit there in 2016.....go Rio!!!!

2020 OG games will probabily took place in Asia or in Africa.
I think that cities who can host are:
5*: Tokyo, Osaka
4*: Delhi, Capetown, Jo'Burg
3*: Kuala Lumpur, Cairo,
2*: Jakarta, Doha, Ankara, Teheran, Casablanca, Nairobie
1*: Saïgon, Dubaï, Manilla, Dakar, Windoek

^^ hmm Joburg is probably out because of the altitude and likwly hoos that Durban or Cape Town would get a RSA vote. Some of the lower ranked cities are also really unlikely.

Joburg hasn't shown any interest in bidding anyway.

^^ that 2

IOC members have suggested that the organization should award the Games to an African nation
the president of the ICO inspectors in Moroccan.

2020 shortlist:

Rome
Madrid
Istanbul
Japanese City
South African city

2020 shortlist:

Rome
Madrid
Istanbul
Japanese City
South African city

That would be one good race! I wish Madrid and Tokyo bid, and, if they do, I put my money that one of them will take it.

Delhi doesn't have a shot. If it's poised to be a great city in 2020 like yashchauhan said, then you'd better wait until 2020 and then bid for the 2028games. After all, preparations for the 2010 CWG don't exactly bring confidence to IOC members regarding Delhi's ability to meet deadlines.

2020 shortlist:

Rome
Madrid
Istanbul
Japanese City
South African city

That would be a race and a half particularly if the Japanese bid is techinically amazing (which it should be) because then you have a strong technical bid in japan
A completely frontier city which if cape town (as apposed to durban) has come very close before
Istanbul, which has a never say die attempt and is getting better everytime and is in some ways an expansion
and 2 european cities that dont lack experience one of which has loads of history on its side the other has the experience of 2 previous very close bids.

This is funny. Most of you seem to think that there is some sort of rhyme or reason to how these cities are picked.

There is. It's figuring it out that's the problem.

you people are funny bashing other cities even when you have not been to that place and are pretending that you know every inch and corner of it....wow

foools

talk about DELHI , its changing at a pace which you people cant even imagine.
no one is worried about there city but is busy thrashing , pointing out the negatives and all blah blah of other cities.


somebody truly said that "world is full of fools & maximum come from west"

Enjoyyyyyyyy


so you people carry on your foolish talks .

But why? You should realize that India is the time to be by 2020 in terms of pulling the Olympics off. India is bigger than the whole of Africa in terms of population, and it has a more lucrative market too. It will be a scandal if Asia does not get the 2020 Olympics.

india's population is evenm more than whole of africa put together wow wow wow.....thats a news for me:bash::nuts:

i never knew about it....thanks buddy :lol:

^^ Yup, India is not ready for an Olympics, try for an Asian Games for a proper test (i.e venue construction/upgrades), or even a Youth Olympics for a logistical test first, before you even attempt a first bid for the Olympics.

Agrees with above post and Im still guessing somewhere in Europe :)

The most powerful candidate cities will be.......Kathmandu,Timbaktu,Antarctica,Kabul and Tokyo..........lmfao!!!!!!

^^ Yes that was a joke, but a poor attempt at one, if you haven't got anything constructive to say or can't make a good joke then don't bother posting.

^^ No offense, but India is just plain dirty and chaotic. That could be fixed, however I doubt the place would be appealing by the time a 2020 decision is made. And the with terrible humid weather?

No Offense but, SA with pockets of apartheid in cities, restricted entry for a group/class of people in townships, huge disparity in the distribution of wealth between haves and have nots, is not an apt place to hold the Summer Games.

Remember: IOC does not have the Rotational policy to hand over Games on a platter to Unchalleneged Bids.

Note: Have also used NO OFFENSE here, to state the obvious about SA.

2020 shortlist:

Rome
Madrid
Istanbul
Japanese City
South African city

If RIO with dismal security and economic disparity could, then any city can even Kabul/Timbakhtu.:lol::lol::lol:

^^ Rio officials pointed out that Rio's 2007 Pan American Games went without major incident. You can't compare a city like Rio with less developed cities like Kabul or Timbuktu on the basis of dismal security or economic disparity.

2020 shortlist:

Rome
Madrid
Istanbul
Japanese City
South African city
I don't agree: there will be at least 2 Asian cities and only one European one (Madrid). Turkey shouldn't support Istambul (that is mostly European) but Ankara (that is Asian).

So, I think the short list will be:
- Japanease city (Tokyo, Osaka or maybe Hiroshima-Nagasaki)
- Ankara
- Dehli
- Madrid
- South African City (Capetown)

QUOTE=Lord David;46132189]^^ Yup, India is not ready for an Olympics, try for an Asian Games for a proper test (i.e venue construction/upgrades), or even a Youth Olympics for a logistical test first, before you even attempt a first bid for the Olympics.[/QUOTE]
The main problem with an Indian bid is that India is not very interested about sport.

^^ Rio officials pointed out that Rio's 2007 Pan American Games went without major incident. You can't compare a city like Rio with less developed cities like Kabul or Timbuktu on the basis of dismal security or economic disparity.

Don' bother. Its not worth it.

^^ Yup, India is not ready for an Olympics, try for an Asian Games for a proper test (i.e venue construction/upgrades), or even a Youth Olympics for a logistical test first, before you even attempt a first bid for the Olympics.

India has already hosed 2 editions of Asian games, latest one in 1982 which was a grand sucess, and we are also going to host Commonwealth games 2010, so if the 2010 edition become a grand sucess no problem from Indias part and u see if China can do it even India can and will, and if Rio proves it in 2016, its again green signal for NEW DELHI 2020, the year in which India will become a developed nation!!! Whole of India is U/C from the ruins of British raj!!!

India has already hosed 2 editions of Asian games, latest one in 1982 which was a grand sucess, and we are also going to host Commonwealth games 2010, ..... a developed nation!!! Whole of India is U/C from the ruins of British raj!!!

Dont worry. These are just ascerbic comments from a bunch of guys who cannot digest India's porgress.

The way BCCI (Richest Cricket/Sporting Body outside Europe & USA) dictates terms to the ICC, with the rising Indian clout in all spheres, these doomsayers will wag their tails.:)

U know ICC has accepted to India's demand, to have every III edition of the WC Cricket in the Indian Subcontinent.
We earn the right to host by our might and not on rotational mercy.

Delhi has not yet officially confirmed its bid for that matter none of these cities being discussed.

It would be nice if the forumers got to something constructive showing the available capabilties and plans than just belittling with little knowledge of the listed cities.

^^ Yup, India is not ready for an Olympics, try for an Asian Games for a proper test (i.e venue construction/upgrades), or even a Youth Olympics for a logistical test first, before you even attempt a first bid for the Olympics.

At least check your facts before blurting out anything. Delhi alone has hosted inaugural Asian Games in 1951 and then again in 1982 and is hosting 2010 CWG. India has also hosted inaugural Afro-Asian games few years back and has hosted cricket world cup twice and will host it again in 2011.

^^ Yup, India is not ready for an Olympics, try for an Asian Games for a proper test (i.e venue construction/upgrades), or even a Youth Olympics for a logistical test first, before you even attempt a first bid for the Olympics.

This comes from a Country whose CWG 2018 Gold Coast bid is a mockery of sorts.
4 major sports to be held in Brisbane ('82 host) and the rest 12 distributed in 3 more cities/towns which are as distant as 700 to 900 miles Townsville & Cairns. Two Venues for Basketball are in Townsville and Cairns in Northern Queensland. Brisbane Convetion Centre & Lawn Tennis Centre also being used in the name of Gold Coast bid.:lol::lol::lol:

For your enlightenment, Indian National Games have better sporting Infrastructure than Victoria '94 or Brisbane '82 and Singapore 2010 (or the propsed 4 city gold Coast Bid 2018).:lol:

Pls come out of the well, Frog prince.

^^ Yes that was a joke, but a poor attempt at one, if you haven't got anything constructive to say or can't make a good joke then don't bother posting.

No it wasn't!!!I was serious and I am not dumb...it for those who think that Tokya is a strong contender...

This comes from a Country whose CWG 2018 Gold Coast bid is a mockery of sorts.
4 major sports to be held in Brisbane ('82 host) and the rest 12 distributed in 3 more cities/towns which are as distant as 700 to 900 miles Townsville & Cairns. Two Venues for Basketball are in Townsville and Cairns in Northern Queensland. Brisbane Convetion Centre & Lawn Tennis Centre also being used in the name of Gold Coast bid.:lol::lol::lol:

For your enlightenment, Indian National Games have better sporting Infrastructure than Victoria '94 or Brisbane '82 and Singapore 2010 (or the propsed 4 city gold Coast Bid 2018).:lol:

Pls come out of the well, Frog prince.

a very nice answer..cheers!

Some people in this thread are deliberately trying to convey that India is either unfit for 2020 or India totally don't deserve it..without any feeling of competition or rivalry i jwant to say that the only reason that can really prevent India from winning the bid is her performance in Olympic Games..though steadily improving..India even though being a giant has got only one Olympic individual gold and that too through a shooter trained in Germany trained by a Swiss coach Gabriela Buhlmann ...he didn't even use any Indian support rather he didn't receive one..

Its a hard truth and a shame for us Indians..but anything wrong can only be mended if we accept that it is wrong and that we should make it right..it also shows that Indians can and Indians will if only if government's will is there..India as a nation is very progressive and optimistic..but sorry to say our administration system if worse than the worst...

But the silver lining is the Abhinav's gold and other bronze medals have infused a new wave of sports enthusiasm and will through the masses and surprisingly through the administration too..and a successful 2010 ..and peaceful 2011 ..and Olympics 2020 can really change the way India plays...and the way world plays...

thank you!

In a report i saw that if India is able to spend 1 crore per player and sends a versatile team of 500(thats is spending only $100 million)..then Indian players have ability and talent to get at least 10 golds and overall 50 medals...with just 5 years of training..

the only reason that can really prevent India from winning the bid is her performance in Olympic Games

Wrong. The preparations towards the 2010 CWGs, even if the Games are a reasonable success, could be reason enough for the IOC to reject Delhi and pick a different city.

There's way too many assumptions being made that Delhi will do a Rio. The 2016 race was remarkable, and shouldn't necessarily be seen as an indicator for how future races will play out.

If Cape Town, a strong European city, and Tokyo are on the shortlist as has been predicted, Delhi will really have their work cut out to persaude the IOC they're worth the risk. I'm not even 100% convinced Delhi would shortlist if there are four or five other "big" cities vying for the Games.

If RIO with dismal security and economic disparity could, then any city can even Kabul/Timbakhtu.:lol::lol::lol:


India:

"The World Bank estimates that 456 million Indians (42% of the total Indian population) now live under the global poverty line of $1.25 per day"

"Income inequality in India [...] is increasing."

"The 13 September 2008 Delhi bombings were a series of five synchronized bomb blasts that took place within a span of few minutes on 13 September 2008 at various locations in Delhi, India [...] with at least 30 people killed and over 100 injured."

Source: Wikipedia

Seriously, you guys should find another argument to defend Delhi 2020. You do not want to start playing "we are as much of a hellhole as Rio", "Rio is as bad as Timbuktu and Kabul" trust me :)

Delhi is out most likely..., why would the IOC go to new frontiers in consecutive olympics... depending on how WC 2010 goes, a South african city might be considered, but I think that the IOC will be looking at going to Daddy Warbucks for 2020. So if there is a serious bid out of the US, than I think it gets it.

Possibly Minneapolis/St. Paul or Boston or even Chicago might try again..

End of discussion. Next comment on the same track. Infraction.

Thanks

Possibly Minneapolis/St. Paul

For real?

End of discussion.

End of what discussion? Were some posts deleted?

For real?

the M/SP metro has 3,502,891 people, and they've been serious contenders in the past.

here's an article:

http://wcco.com/local/2020.Summer.Olympics.2.356584.html

and they've been serious contenders in the past.

In the 1950s, yes. Not sure that has much relevence. I'm not sure coming second to Atlanta in the domestic process is a huge feather in the city's cap either.

Besides which, even if MSP does get past the USOC's selection process (a fairly big if), they'll have to really, really punch above their weight to see off cities such as Tokyo, Paris etc. etc.

Just to be clear, being capable of hosting and being chosen are two very, very different things.

If an excellent Chicago bid can be shown the door after the first round, possibly because of chilly relations between the IOC and USOC, I'm not sure I hold out much hope for a comparatively unfamiliar US city, regardless of the quality of their bid.

India:

"The World Bank estimates that 456 million Indians (42% of the total Indian population) now live under the global poverty line of $1.25 per day"

"Income inequality in India [...] is increasing."

"The 13 September 2008 Delhi bombings were a series of five synchronized bomb blasts that took place within a span of few minutes on 13 September 2008 at various locations in Delhi, India [...] with at least 30 people killed and over 100 injured."

Source: Wikipedia

Seriously, you guys should find another argument to defend Delhi 2020. You do not want to start playing "we are as much of a hellhole as Rio", "Rio is as bad as Timbuktu and Kabul" trust me :)

That was the DUMBEST ever post on skyscrapercity. You couldn't digest India's progress and have started coming up with this. You mean to say India cannot spend on Olympics because this is no. of poor people in India?

Now Listen

* India was even poorer few decades back but still got Asian Games 1951 and 1982, Commonwealth games 2010, Cricket World cups 1987, 1996, 2011, inaugural Afro-Asian games etc.

* World's largest ever terrorist strike happened in USA, killing thousands in a single instant. So USA is out of the Olympics race forever ?


Now it's time to show something to people making foolish remarks like you.

Want to see India's poverty? See this:


This was our past

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3333/96064405.png

Source: India's rising growth potential, Goldman Sachs

India was the richest economy till 1500 AD and was joint richest till 1700 AD.


And this is our future

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/998/71071769.png

India will overtake US by 2043 in nominal GDP and much before that in terms of PPP.

Source: India's rising growth potential, Goldman Sachs


http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4494/69258667.png

India will be largest economy of the world by 2067.

Source: UN and IMF study


India is poor right now because of the imperial west, and shamefully this imperial west wants to deny India its share. Shame on you :bash:

And the biggest irony will be if "someone" decides to delete this post saying that it is out of context.

Final warning. Please move back on topic.

Final warning. Please move back on topic.



Whom are you warning BTW? If you are warning me, then let me tell you that I haven't said anything offensive or out of topic. The facts I used show why India should (/can) host Olympics. Many people here feel that due to poverty, etc. India cannot host Olympics. These facts are to dispel notions. It depends on how you take it.

What Chimbanha posted was out of topic, derogatory and with intention of defamation. And surprisingly, you didn't said anything in reply. Many people in 2010 commonwealth games thread have said that you are biased against India and you welcome anything said against India. Now, even I am feeling the same way. Even if you hate India, you have to keep your feelings with yourselves and being a moderator you need to be unbiased.

And I would like to know what actually is the "topic" for you? Is it posting the names of your favourite cities on this thread without stating why should that city host? Then for what purpose we have this poll? We are here to DISCUSS why/why not a city should host Olympics. That's what we are doing. I welcome all the negative sentiments (for India or any other country) if they are stated in right intention but I do not welcome foolish and derogatory statements posted by some people like Chimbanha.

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Thank you.

Thank you.

For what? Don't get me wrong. I don't have any bad feelings against you.

Wrong. The preparations towards the 2010 CWGs, even if the Games are a reasonable success, could be reason enough for the IOC to reject Delhi and pick a different city.

There's way too many assumptions being made that Delhi will do a Rio. The 2016 race was remarkable, and shouldn't necessarily be seen as an indicator for how future races will play out.

If Cape Town, a strong European city, and Tokyo are on the shortlist as has been predicted, Delhi will really have their work cut out to persaude the IOC they're worth the risk. I'm not even 100% convinced Delhi would shortlist if there are four or five other "big" cities vying for the Games.

First of all there is no chance for any european city or any japanese city...and the reason is that they have hosted alot and now seeing the latest trend of IOC ..secondly 2010 games preparations are nothing new..even melbourne faced some critisim over its games village..and it wiil be foolish to judge a country by her preps a decade back..Delhi has reasonably good sports and civic infrastructure compared to many of her contender thankx to two Asian and 2010 commonwealth games..so she don't have to much to host an Olympic 10 yrs forth..
The only city that can challenge Delhi is Cape Town and the only thing that can prevent Delhi is our medal tally!rest are just preceptionist comments and bias and stereotypical attitude!

What people dont get it is that is not everyone that is just bashing India, People are just saying that Delhi has close to zero chances to get it. Not because India is poor or couldnt handle it but because of some facts that goes against it. The worries about the CWG delayed venues is one of them. The other one is that India never bid before and that is a point people forget it. Rio bidded 2 times before get it. Same as Athens, Beijing... If a city of a small country or under developing wants to host the games they will have some attempts before having the perfect bid and convince the OIC members that they are capable. That´s why Cape Town, Madrid, Rome, Istambul have some advantage, because they all bidded before. Delhi for sure will not get 2020 but bidding to it will take India to have a good chance for 2024 or 2028.

What people dont get it is that is not everyone that is just bashing India, People are just saying that Delhi has close to zero chances to get it. Not because India is poor or couldnt handle it but because of some facts that goes against it. The worries about the CWG delayed venues is one of them. The other one is that India never bid before and that is a point people forget it. Rio bidded 2 times before get it. Same as Athens, Beijing... If a city of a small country or under developing wants to host the games they will have some attempts before having the perfect bid and convince the OIC members that they are capable. That´s why Cape Town, Madrid, Rome, Istambul have some advantage, because they all bidded before. Delhi for sure will not get 2020 but bidding to it will take India to have a good chance for 2024 or 2028.

though a bit sarcastic...your logic was nice!like it but still its nothing wrong to be optimistic,patriotic and jingoistic..after all we are Indians of India which is a rock solid country unlike equator or Indian ocean!

In the 1950s, yes. Not sure that has much relevence. I'm not sure coming second to Atlanta in the domestic process is a huge feather in the city's cap either.

Besides which, even if MSP does get past the USOC's selection process (a fairly big if), they'll have to really, really punch above their weight to see off cities such as Tokyo, Paris etc. etc.

Just to be clear, being capable of hosting and being chosen are two very, very different things.

If an excellent Chicago bid can be shown the door after the first round, possibly because of chilly relations between the IOC and USOC, I'm not sure I hold out much hope for a comparatively unfamiliar US city, regardless of the quality of their bid.


Right now though, I think they have to be the favorite (if they do bid) to represent the USOC and who knows, in a few years maybe the USOC and IOC will be on more friendly terms.
I don't think Chicago will bid for 2020.

Dude...first of all India has 24% poverty as provided by our stats..the 42% proverty is not according to inflation rates..second as far as delhi is concerned there is not much economic disparity here..people are genrally reich and effluent..secondly terrorism is also there in london and USA..there have een bigger event here than in delhi..thirdly rio has her own people against us..india suffer from incursions from pakistan and bangladesh which spread havoc of terror here..but rio has her home made gansters and drug dealers...indians as a people are very less criminal mined..

Brazil has intentional homicidal rate of 25.7 per 100,000
India has intentional homicidal rate of 2.88 per 100,000...you can't even compare them.!!

Yes you can, Rio went out without major incident in 2007, had it did, then that would have been a major factor in the final vote perhaps even having Rio not selected as a Candidate city.

You aught to be happy that a fellow developing nation has landed such a prestigious event and hope that in the late 2020's you will get it too.

Just admit it, even with the security woes, India is definitely not ready than Brazil when it comes to hosting such major sporting events.

What people dont get it is that is not everyone that is just bashing India, People are just saying that Delhi has close to zero chances to get it. Not because India is poor or couldnt handle it but because of some facts that goes against it. The worries about the CWG delayed venues is one of them. The other one is that India never bid before and that is a point people forget it. Rio bidded 2 times before get it. Same as Athens, Beijing... If a city of a small country or under developing wants to host the games they will have some attempts before having the perfect bid and convince the OIC members that they are capable. That´s why Cape Town, Madrid, Rome, Istambul have some advantage, because they all bidded before. Delhi for sure will not get 2020 but bidding to it will take India to have a good chance for 2024 or 2028.

Exactly, India, Delhi has never bid nor even put their hand up and their OC made a preliminary bid document. Bid first, gain experience from that bid then you will be at a better position the next time you bid.

You don't expect a city like Delhi to win the first go. Make the shortlist maybe, but not win.

Indeed, previous bidding cities have some advantage due to the fact that they know what to put in a bid book aside from simply following the questionnaire, as well as learning from past mistakes and criticism from the IOC in the evaluation reports. As for cities like Madrid and Rome, which are developed, one shouldn't expect that it should be a problem for them to make it through the Candidate phase due to the fact that they come from developed countries.
One could easily expect say first time bidders from developed countries to make it through the Candidate phase if they pass the benchmarks of the IOC (Where if say Prague, which does come from a developed nation didn't make it through due to lack of infrastructure, another first time bidder for example Vienna, Austria, would most certainly make it through due to existing infrastructure). My Vienna 2020 fantasy bid for gamesbids.com! http://www.deviantart.com/download/100313338/Vienna_2020_Bid_Book_by_LordDavid04.pdf

For such cities and nations, multiple bidding may help in experience, but may not be necessary should they wish to make the Shortlist.

First of all there is no chance for any european city or any japanese city...and the reason is that they have hosted alot and now seeing the latest trend of IOC ..secondly 2010 games preparations are nothing new..even melbourne faced some critisim over its games village..and it wiil be foolish to judge a country by her preps a decade back..Delhi has reasonably good sports and civic infrastructure compared to many of her contender thankx to two Asian and 2010 commonwealth games..so she don't have to much to host an Olympic 10 yrs forth..
The only city that can challenge Delhi is Cape Town and the only thing that can prevent Delhi is our medal tally!rest are just preceptionist comments and bias and stereotypical attitude!

Very flimsy arguments I'm afraid.

Firstly, tell me what trend the IOC is adhering to that rules out Tokyo or a European city? I can't think of one.

Why believe Rio's victory will start a trend which rules out past hosts when Beijing (another 'new frontier') was followed immediately by London - a city which had hosted twice before. Why would a Rio victory start a trend that a Beijing victory didn't? Looking at past races, all we can really say is that two cities from the same continent are unlikely to follow one another in hosting. Beyond that, any analysis is pure guesswork. Completely ruling out Tokyo (a world class city on its second bid) and Europe (did you see how far Madrid got last time out in a race they were expect to fail in?) is foolish unless you know something the rest of us don't.

Secondly, Melbourne may have faced criticism over its village, but I haven't witnessed preparations so rushed and with so much criticism aimed towards them as I have with Delhi 2010. It's the level of criticism which is shocking and if you believe that won't cross the IOC's minds at all when they consider a possible Delhi 2020 bid, then you're fooling yourself. They'll have seen the struggles the CWGF have had in dealing with politics and preparations in India, and will not want to get involved with all of that unless they feel compelled to go to India (that might be the case, but it's just as likely not to be).

Thirdly, if you're going to accuse me of resorting to stereotypes and bias I'm not going to debate with you in future, because it's pointless. I haven't read a post full of such wishful thinking in a long while on here. I have no favourites for 2020 and there is no bias in my posts which are based on realism and closely following the last two bid races from start to finish. You're underestimating the massiveness of India's task by suggesting the only thing that can harm their bid is their medal tally, and by saying the only city that can beat them is Cape Town. Neither of these suggestions are true.

^^ It should be pointed out that Melbourne faced major criticism over Southern Cross Station (Spencer Street) which was undergoing a total overhaul whereas Flinders Street Station (a major transportation hub for the games) wasn't even being considered to undertake any upgrades whatsoever in time for the Games.

Criticism was there, but not as much as the likes of Delhi and it's preparations.

once again they'll go to somewhere in Europe with the possibility of North America...

may be u r rite to say this or may be u r wrong.....after all such replies and comments and debate.....it will be really exciting to see who wins in the end....everyone has his own weightage at some point or the other...and don;t get me wrong....its just part of the debate...you should be ready to digest some hot chili pickles and sauce when eating Indian food......but should protest when some one deliberately tries to put in a whole bunch of hot green chillies dipped in conc. HCl(i refer to yashchauhan here...lol!)in you mouth

Don't get me wrong, I don't think India has no chance. If the Commonwealth Games are good despite the problematic preparations, and if the bid is run professionally and gets its message spot on, India could win an Olympic bid in the near future.

But that's a lot to get right in a short space of time. Even cities on their second or third bid can get this wrong (or to put it more accuratly, their rivals can get it more right)

A lot of factors came together at the same time for Rio's victory, factors which mightn't be at work in 2020 for Delhi


A European city was already hosting 2012 putting traditional European cities at a disadvantage - this will not be the case for 2020. Europe will be right back in the picture; talk of cities like Rome bidding is already happening, and Madrid on their 4th bid will be very, very strong. They finished second just four years after London was chosen! How much better could they do with geopolitics more in their favour?


Rio's PanAms were largely successful - whether the CWGs in 2010 are a success remains to be seen and we all know preparations have been problematic. This will be an issue for the IOC, though it mightn't be terminal if India's bid team can show they are putting processes place which will make Olympic preparations more smooth.


The race looked like it was going to the American continent from the start and the Rio bid was able to take advantage of frosty relations between the IOC and USOC to make sure it was them and not Chicago that got the nod - the 2020 race, at this very early stage, doesn't look like it'll definitely go to a particular continent. If PyeongChang 2018 wins, Asia may well be at a disadvantage. If it doesn't win, it's highly likely India will be up against a second Japanese bid for 2020, a bid which will be hard to beat.


The credit-crunch had put question-marks over private financing in other bids (particularly Chicago) - by 2013, when the 2020 host is chosen, the West will be long out of recession and a fully publically financed bid from a developing nation mightn't look quite so attractive


Rio was able to play on strong connections within the IOC. - India will have to go some to lobby as well as Brazil did.


Rio is on a continent which hasn't hosted - India isn't. And if the 'new frontier' argument is to work to its full effect for Delhi, you'd better hope Cape Town doesn't bid, because they'll have the same arguement as Rio in their arsenal.


The preparations for London were going well and Beijing was a success - by 2013 it's possible (though I wouldn't necessarily say likely) Rio could be struggling to prepare for both a world cup and an Olympics. This would put riskier bids for 2020 at a disadvantage as the IOC may choose to go with a safe pair of hands, like Madrid. Who knows what effect London 2012, only a year before the decision, could have on this race also?



See how many hurdles India (or any bid for that matter) has to overcome? Simply saying India's medal tally will be the only disadvantage is very simplistic. And the race for 2020 will, I'm sure, include strong bids from developed countries as well as the likes of Cape Town and Delhi.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think India has no chance. If the Commonwealth Games are good despite the problematic preparations, and if the bid is run professionally and gets its message spot on, India could win an Olympic bid in the near future.

But that's a lot to get right in a short space of time. Even cities on their second or third bid can get this wrong (or to put it more accuratly, their rivals can get it more right)

A lot of factors came together at the same time for Rio's victory, factors which mightn't be at work in 2020 for Delhi


A European city was already hosting 2012 putting traditional European cities at a disadvantage - this will not be the case for 2020. Europe will be right back in the picture; talk of cities like Rome bidding is already happening, and Madrid on their 4th bid will be very, very strong. They finished second just four years after London was chosen! How much better could they do with geopolitics more in their favour?


Rio's PanAms were largely successful - whether the CWGs in 2010 are a success remains to be seen and we all know preparations have been problematic. This will be an issue for the IOC, though it mightn't be terminal if India's bid team can show they are putting processes place which will make Olympic preparations more smooth.


The race looked like it was going to the American continent from the start and the Rio bid was able to take advantage of frosty relations between the IOC and USOC to make sure it was them and not Chicago that got the nod - the 2020 race, at this very early stage, doesn't look like it'll definitely go to a particular continent. If PyeongChang 2018 wins, Asia may well be at a disadvantage. If it doesn't win, it's highly likely India will be up against a second Japanese bid for 2020, a bid which will be hard to beat.


The credit-crunch had put question-marks over private financing in other bids (particularly Chicago) - by 2013, when the 2020 host is chosen, the West will be long out of recession and a fully publically financed bid from a developing nation mightn't look quite so attractive


Rio was able to play on strong connections within the IOC. - India will have to go some to lobby as well as Brazil did.


Rio is on a continent which hasn't hosted - India isn't. And if the 'new frontier' argument is to work to its full effect for Delhi, you'd better hope Cape Town doesn't bid, because they'll have the same arguement as Rio in their arsenal.


The preparations for London were going well and Beijing was a success - by 2013 it's possible (though I wouldn't necessarily say likely) Rio could be struggling to prepare for both a world cup and an Olympics. This would put riskier bids for 2020 at a disadvantage as the IOC may choose to go with a safe pair of hands, like Madrid. Who knows what effect London 2012, only a year before the decision, could have on this race?



See how many hurdles India (or any bid for that matter) has to overcome? Simply saying India's medal tally will be the only disadvantage is very simplistic. And the riace for 2020 will, I'm sure, include strong bids from developed countries as well as the likes of Cape Town and Delhi.

these hurdles are a sort of amalgametd in the two major hurdles of sports enthusiam and performance(CWG DELAY,sick attitude of Indian Olympic Associaton etc. points you have mentioned) and Cape Town(african factor+fifa success and sports enthusiam)....except European possibilty and Tokyo's bid.which I think appears quite distant even though they have great infra,great relationship witn IOC and great sport enthusiasm.....i think we better leave it on some developments that occur in this regard and then debate further...

Glad you finally agree that India's medal tally isn't the only potential disadvantage Dehli has, as you seemed to suggest earlier. Africa and the CWGs could indeed both be big factors as well (although I wouldn't say all of my above points could be amalgamated into those two factors).

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Tokyo and see how it plays out. :) Signs are they will bid (I've read their bid offices are still open in anticipation of another bid). And I think they've a very, very good chance of winning. Similarly, you can only ever rule out Europe if there's a European host four years earlier, because of the Eurocentricity of the IOC.

By the way, with all these debates we've been having, is it even certain Delhi will bid for 2020? The bidding process will officially open in 2011. Are Delhi certain to bid or is this thread based on overenthusiasm and speculation?

I don.t have much idea of the whats going on in USA but as far as media reports are cncerned it says that USA is sufferinf from economic downturn,rise of asian giants,terrorism and as a whole loosing its position in the world....uneloyement is a huge problem there....and as far as I know ur people are really patriotic and jingoistic in nautre......so an Olympic can really bring a new wave of american optimism that somewhats appears to have been weaken or lost in economical and political problems!

Not 1/10th as patriotic or jingoistic as some of the members have shown in this thread.

To whatever degree those things you listed as concenrs most Americans I beleive rightfully realize that hosting a two week sporting event will have rather miminal if any effect on such issues. Most Americans I think can remember a games being hosted in the U.S. and don't look at a games to deliver unrealistic promises.

Glad you finally agree that India's medal tally isn't the only potential disadvantage Dehli has, as you seemed to suggest earlier. Africa and the CWGs could indeed both be big factors as well (although I wouldn't say all of my above points could be amalgamated into those two factors).

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Tokyo and see how it plays out. :) Signs are they will bid (I've read their bid offices are still open in anticipation of another bid). And I think they've a very, very good chance of winning. Similarly, you can only ever rule out Europe if there's a European host four years earlier, because of the Eurocentricity of the IOC.

actually there are lots of disadvantages in the favour of India.......but we shall do a great show if and only if we get it............thats a promise!:):)

Not 1/10th as patriotic or jingoistic as some of the members have shown in this thread.

To whatever degree those things you listed as concenrs most Americans I beleive rightfully realize that hosting a two week sporting event will have rather miminal if any effect on such issues. Most Americans I think can remember a games being hosted in the U.S. and don't look at a games to deliver unrealistic promises.

O.K..but I don't think that Olympics is that small i..and you can see how much time and brains we are putting in here in this thread..!

sorry that i hurtyou......actually i m a bit short tempered.........really really sorry for ma actions............read my signature..............you will get the answer#

good to see that you realized your mistake...as of now i refer you some serious power yoga...and don't take it as a joke...i really care for you dude...you need to think about my suggestion..!:cheers::cheers::cheers:

sorry that i hurtyou......actually i m a bit short tempered.........really really sorry for ma actions

Apology accepted yashchauhan, but unfortunately, the post has already been reported to the mods.


actually there are lots of disadvantages in the favour of India.......but we shall do a great show if and only if we get it............thats a promise!

'If' is indeed the word.

A Delhi victory would be as monumentous as Rio's was but it is at the moment, in my opinion, probably fairly unlikely for the reasons I've outlined above.

I will say this though; if India bids for 2020 and wins, they'll have overcome some pretty long odds and some pretty big obstacles and will absolutely fully deserve their victory.

But that's a long, long way off and some are getting way too overexcited here.

What people dont get it is that is not everyone that is just bashing India, People are just saying that Delhi has close to zero chances to get it. Not because India is poor or couldnt handle it but because of some facts that goes against it. The worries about the CWG delayed venues is one of them. The other one is that India never bid before and that is a point people forget it. Rio bidded 2 times before get it. Same as Athens, Beijing... If a city of a small country or under developing wants to host the games they will have some attempts before having the perfect bid and convince the OIC members that they are capable. That´s why Cape Town, Madrid, Rome, Istambul have some advantage, because they all bidded before. Delhi for sure will not get 2020 but bidding to it will take India to have a good chance for 2024 or 2028.

I fully agree with this point. Everyone almost forgot it. This will actually be a problem and challenge for India. I also believe that India should bid for 2020 (not half-heartedly but with full preparations) and finally win in 2024 (hoping that Tokyo doesn't wins 2020).

^^ Not a bad idea.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think India has no chance. If the Commonwealth Games are good despite the problematic preparations, and if the bid is run professionally and gets its message spot on, India could win an Olympic bid in the near future.

But that's a lot to get right in a short space of time. Even cities on their second or third bid can get this wrong (or to put it more accuratly, their rivals can get it more right)

A lot of factors came together at the same time for Rio's victory, factors which mightn't be at work in 2020 for Delhi


A European city was already hosting 2012 putting traditional European cities at a disadvantage - this will not be the case for 2020. Europe will be right back in the picture; talk of cities like Rome bidding is already happening, and Madrid on their 4th bid will be very, very strong. They finished second just four years after London was chosen! How much better could they do with geopolitics more in their favour?


Rio's PanAms were largely successful - whether the CWGs in 2010 are a success remains to be seen and we all know preparations have been problematic. This will be an issue for the IOC, though it mightn't be terminal if India's bid team can show they are putting processes place which will make Olympic preparations more smooth.


The race looked like it was going to the American continent from the start and the Rio bid was able to take advantage of frosty relations between the IOC and USOC to make sure it was them and not Chicago that got the nod - the 2020 race, at this very early stage, doesn't look like it'll definitely go to a particular continent. If PyeongChang 2018 wins, Asia may well be at a disadvantage. If it doesn't win, it's highly likely India will be up against a second Japanese bid for 2020, a bid which will be hard to beat.


The credit-crunch had put question-marks over private financing in other bids (particularly Chicago) - by 2013, when the 2020 host is chosen, the West will be long out of recession and a fully publically financed bid from a developing nation mightn't look quite so attractive


Rio was able to play on strong connections within the IOC. - India will have to go some to lobby as well as Brazil did.


Rio is on a continent which hasn't hosted - India isn't. And if the 'new frontier' argument is to work to its full effect for Delhi, you'd better hope Cape Town doesn't bid, because they'll have the same arguement as Rio in their arsenal.


The preparations for London were going well and Beijing was a success - by 2013 it's possible (though I wouldn't necessarily say likely) Rio could be struggling to prepare for both a world cup and an Olympics. This would put riskier bids for 2020 at a disadvantage as the IOC may choose to go with a safe pair of hands, like Madrid. Who knows what effect London 2012, only a year before the decision, could have on this race also?



See how many hurdles India (or any bid for that matter) has to overcome? Simply saying India's medal tally will be the only disadvantage is very simplistic. And the race for 2020 will, I'm sure, include strong bids from developed countries as well as the likes of Cape Town and Delhi.

After such a long time on this thread I came up with such a sensible and meaningful post. Thanks for your efforts :)

I agree with all of your points except the credit-crunch point. West will just have recovered from slump by 2013, while India never went into recession. What happened here was "slowdown". Growth slowed from more than 9% in previous 3 years to 6.3%. It will again rebound to 8% next year and 9% in next to next year. India's (and China's) recovery will be earliest in world.

Most importantly, even during current slowdown, India never felt shortage of cash for CWG's preparations. Delhi is spending somewhere around $15 billion for games. Though Delhi govt. is facing shortage of funds but that's because of reduced collections because of slowdown. Whatever the shortage Delhi is facing is being met by central govt. If Delhi can spend so much in slowdown, then definitely it can spend more when the country will be growing at 10% in 2020 and India's GDP will be more than 3 times of present (such kind of growth in such a short time can not be seen in any developed country or even a developing country like Brazil or SA).

Don't see today's India hosting Olympics, just see it as India 3 times richer and 3 times more developed hosting Olympics which BTW will be more than today's China. India at 2020 will be more advanced and richer than China at 2008 (that's a simple maths, you can try it yourself). If China could do it in 2008, then India can surely do it in 2020 or 2024 (given other factors are not too much against Indian bid).

Don't get me wrong, I don't think India has no chance. If the Commonwealth Games are good despite the problematic preparations, and if the bid is run professionally and gets its message spot on, India could win an Olympic bid in the near future.

But that's a lot to get right in a short space of time. Even cities on their second or third bid can get this wrong (or to put it more accuratly, their rivals can get it more right)

A lot of factors came together at the same time for Rio's victory, factors which mightn't be at work in 2020 for Delhi


A European city was already hosting 2012 putting traditional European cities at a disadvantage - this will not be the case for 2020. Europe will be right back in the picture; talk of cities like Rome bidding is already happening, and Madrid on their 4th bid will be very, very strong. They finished second just four years after London was chosen! How much better could they do with geopolitics more in their favour?


Rio's PanAms were largely successful - whether the CWGs in 2010 are a success remains to be seen and we all know preparations have been problematic. This will be an issue for the IOC, though it mightn't be terminal if India's bid team can show they are putting processes place which will make Olympic preparations more smooth.


The race looked like it was going to the American continent from the start and the Rio bid was able to take advantage of frosty relations between the IOC and USOC to make sure it was them and not Chicago that got the nod - the 2020 race, at this very early stage, doesn't look like it'll definitely go to a particular continent. If PyeongChang 2018 wins, Asia may well be at a disadvantage. If it doesn't win, it's highly likely India will be up against a second Japanese bid for 2020, a bid which will be hard to beat.


The credit-crunch had put question-marks over private financing in other bids (particularly Chicago) - by 2013, when the 2020 host is chosen, the West will be long out of recession and a fully publically financed bid from a developing nation mightn't look quite so attractive


Rio was able to play on strong connections within the IOC. - India will have to go some to lobby as well as Brazil did.


Rio is on a continent which hasn't hosted - India isn't. And if the 'new frontier' argument is to work to its full effect for Delhi, you'd better hope Cape Town doesn't bid, because they'll have the same arguement as Rio in their arsenal.


The preparations for London were going well and Beijing was a success - by 2013 it's possible (though I wouldn't necessarily say likely) Rio could be struggling to prepare for both a world cup and an Olympics. This would put riskier bids for 2020 at a disadvantage as the IOC may choose to go with a safe pair of hands, like Madrid. Who knows what effect London 2012, only a year before the decision, could have on this race also?



See how many hurdles India (or any bid for that matter) has to overcome? Simply saying India's medal tally will be the only disadvantage is very simplistic. And the race for 2020 will, I'm sure, include strong bids from developed countries as well as the likes of Cape Town and Delhi.

May I add another point? You might be forgetting that Rio when ahead of Doha in spite of Doha scoring higher than Rio in the Candidate report. That would have always have been in the back of IOC Members' minds when the vote came.
Delhi may never get such an opportunity.

Lima, Budapest or Delhi :)

istanbul 2020:cheers:

I have serious reservations about Doha, especially after being to the Brazil-England match recently , it was mid November but the heat was too much to tolerate. The players who managed the full 90 minutes were exhausted.

Besides, the athletics season comes to an end around 1st week of October, if Doha plans to hold the games in late Nov. then it'll seriously degrade the quality of track events as athletes may not be up to required fitness levels.

istanbul 2020:cheers:

I think it has a good shot. The only thing I wonder about is if the AKP alienates some in the important European block and they sour on rewarding that which they perceive as going down the "wrong path". I don't think it would be an issue for most at this point but if there is seen to be a deterioration.....

Whom are you warning BTW? If you are warning me, then let me tell you that I haven't said anything offensive or out of topic. The facts I used show why India should (/can) host Olympics......

....... Many people in 2010 commonwealth games thread have said that you are biased against India and you welcome anything said against India. Now, even I am feeling the same way. .......

Awesome response.
Your statement about biased Mod seems true that there was nothing done to warn TEBC or Chi.. whatever in the first place.
How do we tackle such biased Mods?
Can we complain about them somewhere?

^^ Erm, he told you all to shut up and discuss the topic at hand, not India, as the latter was getting out of hand. Unfortunately the Indians were the ones intent on keeping the discussion going, hence them being warned :nuts:

Furthermore, when a large portion of some peoples' posts are utter nonsense (such as the comparisons to Melbourne), the validity of the continuation of discussion is minimal - if anything.

^^ I think the topic had become why indias d*ck is bigger than anyone else and that really wasnt the intent so the mod (mo) was trying to move the topic back to a more general discussion of possible hosts and why they are good/bad candidates rather than why everyone other than delhi could not possibly deserve the olympics. Also im pretty sure the warning was for anyone who continued that vein of discussion, ie it wasnt directed at anyone particularly until people replied (that said im not party to pm so I cant say who might have been warned particularly)

Wrong. The preparations towards the 2010 CWGs, even if the Games are a reasonable success, could be reason enough for the IOC to reject Delhi and pick a different city.

.... vying for the Games.

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I have no idea what you're on about. Nothing you mentioned above has any relevence to any points I was making. Where did I mention medal count in my post?

^^ Erm, he told you all to shut up and discuss the topic at hand, not India, as the latter was getting out of hand. Unfortunately the ..... - if anything.

Why? Should the Indians keep quiet for all non sense that you post?

So when facts are given in a comparitive manner even he could not stand the truth.
Face it, Your predujice to India is understandable from your comments.

But the fact is that Delhi has not officially bid.

BTW, would not that be better to post what each of these cities have to offer than silly, farcical allegations.

^^ I think the topic had become why indias d*ck is bigger ..... )

Isn't this worth being warned?
I don't see any action in here.

Why? Should the Indians keep quiet for all non sense that you post?

So when facts are given in a comparitive manner even he could not stand the truth.
Face it, Your predujice to India is understandable from your comments.

But the fact is that Delhi has not officially bid.

BTW, would not that be better to post what each of these cities have to offer than silly, farcical allegations.

Some Indians should keep quite because, quite frankly, they've gotten very annoying and can't seem to take a hint.

The problem is the facts HAVEN'T been given in a comparitive manner at all. Simply stating nonsense like "we have hosted the Asian Games twice!" etc. as sufficient reasoning to host a games is fine once, but that's all ya'll keep going on. It's gotten monotonous.

I find my "prejudice to India" hilarious, as it's clear that anyone who isn't drooling over Delhi is an India-hater in your books. Really...do you think the Olympics is just going to fall into Delhi's hands? I'm yet to see a sufficient reason why Delhi should host it other than "but we're big and getting better!" (which in itself isn't near good enough, in my opinion)

Exactly. Mo's warning was no doubt to everyone and as far as I'm concerned no bias has been shown by the mod. And whilst there have been some out of line comments from those quesitoning India's bid, some cheerleaders for Delhi 2020 have been wearing huge pairs of rose-tinted glasses and have ranted at anyone questioning India's ability.

Mo's right. This topic needs to calm down, especially as there aren't even any bids in place yet (the process won't officially start till 2011!)

And some of us would like the discuss the merit of other cities that haven't been extensively discussed so far :)

Really...do you think the Olympics is just going to fall into Delhi's hands?....

No doubt it would not be handed in a platter to inferior unchallenged bids as FIFA WC 2010.:lol:

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And quite ironic considering your very own country felt the need to hold the Indian Premier League in our country on an emergency basis :lol: Inferior indeed...

BTW, would not that be better to post what each of these cities have to offer than silly, farcical allegations.

I think I suggested something similar a while back but people ignored me but yeah it would be better to do that.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45942949&postcount=994

How about people compile lists of where all the events would be held in the city they are interested in seeing it hosted in, what would have to be built new, what would be temp, what exists (show pics) and what would be expanded and show anything else interesting.

Im really busy tonight but I can try tomorrow (though I know mo has very detailed lists)

^^ Good idea.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And quite ironic considering your very own country felt the need to hold the Indian Premier League in our country on an emergency basis :lol: Inferior indeed...

Note: Pls do not consider Cricket Championship hosting capabilities to be on par or a stepping stone for Olympic Sports.

If Cricket were to follow the Olympic Sports Stds or FIFA stds the plight of the spectators and that of the locals would be better.

I would not recommend flaunting Cricket Championships for Olympic bid.

Coming to IPL, General Elections in India, the World's largest Democracy made it difficult for the organisation at the same time. BCCI, the richest Sporting body outisde US & Europe can hold their Events in no time any part of the World as they rule the roost and hold a gr8 clout in the ICC. The highbrow approach of the BCCI will get them what they want from any corner of the World.

Here again IPL was served in a platter to SA due to Indian Elections.:lol::lol::lol:

The Airports investment being done by SA for FIFA 2010 is not even half the effort being spent by India on its Airport with no specific sporting reason.:nuts:

I'll try to ignore the subject of a particular city that, in my opinion, has no chance whatsoever of hosting the 2020 games and go on to ask some questions about possible contenders:

1 - To what extent do the Winter Olympics influence the outcome of the subsequent Summer Olympics election? Can we rule out Tokyo if PC wins in 2018? Can we rule out Rome if Annecy or Munich wins? Torino got the Winter Olympics two years after Athens hosted the Summer Games.

2 - Is there a maximum number of shortlisted cities, or all cities that cross the threshold may be at the final vote? I've seen a lot of people hinting that Rio only got shortlisted because Doha got dumped, but, had Doha also been selected, both cities would be in the final vote, right?

Absolute Final Warning.

Anybody provoking another party or personally attacking a forumer receives an instant infractions.

So unnecessary.

I think I suggested something similar a while back but people ignored me but yeah it would be better to do that.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45942949&postcount=994

How about people compile....

Im really busy tonight but I can try tomorrow (though I know mo has very detailed lists)
Thats Good,
For Delhi the following would be the options:
Athletics/Main Stadium : JLN 60K
Aquatics : Talkatora Aquatic Complex 6K Indoor but may be need to revisit with a bigger temporary Stadium for the Games purpose.
Hockey : National Stadium Complex, 20K

Volleyball : IGI Stadium with sound proof screen 10K one half & NOIDA U/C Indoor Stadium 4K
Basketball : IGI Stadium with sound proof screen 10K second half & IGI CWG Wrestling Hall 7K
Gymnastics : Dwarka Indoor Convention centre Telescopic Indoor Hall 12K and smaller Halls for Rhythmic Gymnastics
Handball : Thyagaraj Stadium for preliminaries 7K & Semis & Finals at Dwarka Indoor Convention centre Telescopic Indoor Hall 12K
Boxing : Yamuna Indoor Stadium 5.5K
Table Tennis, Judo
Wrestling, Taekwondo : Pragati Maidan Exhibition Centre Refurbished Indoor Halls with 4 to 5K capacity

Weightlifting : JLN Indoor Weightlifting Hall 2.5K
Fencing : Talkatora Indoor Stadium 3.5K

Lawn Tennis : DLTA with RK Khanna Stadium 6K as Court One and a new Centre Court with 10K
Shooting : Karni Singh Ranges
Archery : Feroz Shah Kotla 40K and may be at India Gate the Finals with 4K
Equestrian : Karnail Singh Stadium to be refurbished
Rugby : DU Main Stadium increase capacity with temporary setup for 40K & refurbish Chattarsal Stadium 12K.

Football : NOIDA New Football Stadium 40K, Salt Lake Kolkata 100K, Kochi JLN Stadium 55K & Trivandrum National Games Stadium 50K.
Golf : NOIDA Golf Course venue of the Delhi EPGA USD5 Million Event
Games Village : In the Sector nearer to Akshardham.
The above NOIDA Stadia along with NOIDA Indoor Stadium for Volleyball can be classified in NOIDA cluster.

Beach Volleyball, Triathlon : Delhi Yamuna Banks temporary Structure with 10K
Canoeing : Yamuna River in Delhi or Udaipur Lake
Modern Pentathlon : To be developed around Delhi Yamuna Banks area meeting the stds of the event
The above 4 can be classified as in the Yamuna River Cluster

Sailing : Mumbai Marine Drive
Ones in Green need refurbishment/are under construction and ones in red need to be built newly.

Delhi would require very few new faccilities for the Olympics.
The above can cater to 29 events.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And quite ironic considering your very own country felt the need to hold the Indian Premier League in our country on an emergency basis :lol: Inferior indeed...



The Indian Premier League was held in South Africa ONLY because of Indian Elections this year. NOT because of any security concerns

The Indian Election Committee does not allow large scale events to be held in the country during the time of elections.

The Indian Premier League was held in South Africa ONLY because of Indian Elections this year. NOT because of any security concerns

The Indian Election Committee does not allow large scale events to be held in the country during the time of elections.

I didn't say anything about security, but what part of ENOUGH did you not understand?

Mo please start warning these guys.

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S Africa starts lobbying for 2020 Olympics

By Roger Blitz and William Wallis in London

South Africa began laying the basis for a bid to host the 2020 Olympics when the most senior organiser of the 2010 World Cup dared Olympic organisers to turn down the chance to bring the games to the African continent for the first time.

Danny Jordaan, chief executive of the World Cup organising committee, drew comparisons between South Africa’s claim and Brazil’s successful appeal in September to the International Olympic Committee to award the 2016 Olympics to Rio.

“The pressure will be on the IOC,” Mr Jordaan said.

Rio made much of the absence of the Olympics from South America during its lobbying for the 2016 games. Bid organisers frequently displayed a world map showing the large number of European and north American cities that had staged the games, and comparing those continents with South America and Africa.

Mr Jordaan said: “Since 1896, no Olympics went to Africa, and it’s going to be harder to sustain the argument why Africa missed out.”

Previous arguments used to question the African continent’s ability to host one of the two main sporting events were being shot down, he added, reflecting South Africa’s increasing confidence in its preparations for next year’s showpiece event.

The World Cup would produce the best-ever revenues for Fifa, football’s world governing body, he predicted, countering the once commonly held view that the event would be a commercial disaster if it took place in Africa.

“The only question is whether a host country will have the capacity to deliver high definition television and all the new media platforms, and South Africa can and will,” said Mr Jordaan.

Sue van der Merwe, South Africa’s deputy minister for international relations and co-operation, said there had been discussions in government about launching a 2020 Olympic bid but no decision had been taken.

But she added: “The opportunity will certainly be there for South Africa and for the continent.”

Rio also made a virtue of Brazil having won the right to host the World Cup, saying this would help provide Rio with the infrastructure to stage the Olympics.

Similarly, Mr Jordaan stressed the legacy benefits of the World Cup, saying the development of roads, telecoms and technology and airport expansion had “created a systematic programme of infrastructure improvement”.

Link (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc3e7506-cd7f-11de-8162-00144feabdc0.html)

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By Roger Blitz and William Wallis in London

Mr Jordaan said: “Since 1896, no Olympics went to Africa, and it’s going to be harder to sustain the argument why Africa missed out.”



Since 1896, no Olympics went to Africa?
Does he mean Africa hosted before 1896?:lol::lol::lol:

Poor oratory skills what was his name.... Jordan!
Don't make him present the bid.

go Lisboa!

Since 1896, no Olympics went to Africa?
Does he mean Africa hosted before 1896?:lol::lol::lol:

Poor oratory skills what was his name.... Jordan!
Don't make him present the bid.

Perhaps you should start working on your own comprehension skills first :)

Since 1896, no Olympics went to Africa?
Does he mean Africa hosted before 1896?:lol::lol::lol:

Poor oratory skills what was his name.... Jordan!
Don't make him present the bid.
"Him" has been bidding for the 2010 WC since 1992. "Him" has close to two decades of experience in dealing with top sports federation officials and FIFA staff.

"Him" is part of the LOC which ensured our venues are ready and meet every FIFA requirement.

"Him" should be respected.

Miami would be a terrific Olympic host.

"Him"
"Him" should be respected.

^^:)
No doubt it took 18 yrs and rotational policy help.

India Won't Bid For 2020 Games

India won't bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games even if it organizes a successful 2010 Commonwealth Games, said sports minister Manohar Singh Gill Wednesday.

Gill was responding to a statement in Parliament by Samajwadi Party's Jaya Bachchan, who said that a well-organized Commonwealth Games would give India an opportunity to bid for the Olympics.

Gill said, "some of my colleagues (MPs) said casually that we should be bidding for Olympics. I'm not sure India should be. Look at the poverty in this country, look at our infrastructure." He added it wasn't just his personal view saying, "it's policy".

He said, "there is a certain class of us who want these great events because it's good entertainment. China spent Rs 50 billion on its Olympic Games. Think if you are ready to spend that amount".

Gill assured the MPs that the infrastructure of the October 3-14 Commonwealth Games would be ready.

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216134862.html

India Won't Bid For 2020 Games

India won't bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games even if it organizes a successful 2010 Commonwealth Games, said sports minister Manohar Singh Gill Wednesday.

Gill was responding to a statement in Parliament by Samajwadi Party's Jaya Bachchan, who said that a well-organized Commonwealth Games would give India an opportunity to bid for the Olympics.

Gill said, "some of my colleagues (MPs) said casually that we should be bidding for Olympics. I'm not sure India should be. Look at the poverty in this country, look at our infrastructure." He added it wasn't just his personal view saying, "it's policy".

He said, "there is a certain class of us who want these great events because it's good entertainment. China spent Rs 50 billion on its Olympic Games. Think if you are ready to spend that amount".

Gill assured the MPs that the infrastructure of the October 3-14 Commonwealth Games would be ready.

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216134862.html

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Party in my house today, everyone is invited.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Party in my house today, everyone is invited.

Why are you happy? Does that means Olympics are coming to your country?

You mean we had to listen to all of that rambling and they aren't even bidding?

:nuts:

You mean we had to listen to all of that rambling and they aren't even bidding?

:nuts:

Dude, nobody compels you to read that. It was always your choice to read or to ignore.

Why are you happy? Does that means Olympics are coming to your country?

Ignore him, he cannot even host the party at his home as his name suggests.
This is just an exceprt of the Article.
As I told you, IOA is not keen on 2020.
But may be a prep bid will turn up before the firm one for 2024.

You mean we had to listen to all of that rambling and they aren't even bidding?

Yes Lydon, and that's what Mo was saying all along about people getting too worked up!

Perhaps those at the top recognise, unlike a handful of people who've posted in this thread, that it poses a huge, huge challenge and would rather have some breathing space between a hopefully successful CWGs and an Olympic bid.

India will bid in one of the next few cycles I would have thought, but it's not rushing into things. That's fairly sensible.

You mean we had to listen to all of that rambling and they aren't even bidding?

:nuts:

Pls donot forget what Toronto Mayor said about SA 2008 bid.
Be pragmatic and face the truth.
Don't embarass yourself with another failed bid.:lol::lol:

Pls donot forget what Toronto Mayor said about SA 2008 bid.
Be pragmatic and face the truth.
Don't embarass yourself with another failed bid.:lol::lol:

Was that Mayor Lastman? What an embarrassment that guy was! Torontonians still cringe when they hear his name.

:)

Jacques Rogge encourages Lisbon to Olympic Games

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In Portuguese:


O presidente do Comité Olímpico Internacional (COI), Jacques Rogge, afirmou hoje, no Porto, que Portugal tem condições para organizar os Jogos Olímpicos e que Rosa Mota está em boa posição para ser membro do organismo.


À chegada ao Aeroporto Francisco Sá Carneiro, Jacques Rogge ditou os primeiros passos para uma possível candidatura de Portugal à organização dos Jogos Olímpicos.

"A primeira coisa que têm de fazer é falar com as autoridades públicas, com o movimento do desporto e o mundo económico para ver se podem existir sinergias entre todos. Portugal realizou o Euro'2004, que foi um enorme sucesso, e não há razões para não estar preparado para realizar os Jogos Olímpicos. Se a Grécia organizou... porque não Portugal", avançou.

Quanto ao nome de Rosa Mota, avançado pelo Comité Olímpico Português para substituir Fernando Lima Bello no COI, Jacques Rogge deixa a porta aberta para a antiga campeã olímpica (venceu a maratona em Seul, em 1988).

"Ela está em boa posição para ser candidata e, definitivamente, tem de ser reconhecida. É uma mulher com grande reputação, é uma grande campeã. No entanto, isso não quer dizer que entre imediatamente, mas com certeza será considerada no futuro", explicou.

O presidente do COI abordou também o recente escândalo das apostas ilegais no futebol, que estalou na Alemanha, considerando um "enorme perigo" para o desporto.

"É um enorme perigo para o desporto, tal e qual como o doping. As apostas ilegais têm vindo a crescer ao longo dos anos e é assustador. Teremos de ser muito cuidadosos com este fenómeno", alertou.

Jacques Rogge está em Portugal para receber, quinta-feira, o doutoramento "honoris causa" pela Faculdade de Desporto da Universidade do Porto, uma distinção que qualifica de honrosa.

"É uma grande honra. Eu sou um produto da universidade, já que trabalhei durante muito tempo numa. É uma grande honra, ainda para mais ser reconhecido por uma grande universidade, como é a do Porto", considerou.

Sexta-feira, Rogge viaja para Lisboa, onde participará nas comemorações do centenário do Comité Olímpico de Portugal.

O líder do COI desvalorizou o facto de o Presidente da Republica, Cavaco Silva, e o Primeiro-Ministro, José Sócrates, ainda não terem confirmado a presença na cerimónia.

"Não estou ciente disso, mas posso imaginar que se eles não estiverem presentes é por terem uma agenda muito preenchida. Se eles não vierem não será um problema", concluiu.

SAPO


In English, google translator:

The President of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge said today in Porto, Portugal is able to host the Olympic Games and Rosa Mota is well placed to become a member of the body.

Upon arrival at the Airport Francisco Sá Carneiro, Jacques Rogge dictated the first steps towards a possible candidacy of Portugal to the Olympic Games.

"The first thing you have to do is talk to the authorities, with the movement of sport and the economic world to see if there may be synergies among them. Portugal made the Euro 2004, which was a huge success, and there is no reason to be prepared to host the Olympic Games. If Greece organized... why not Portugal", advanced.

The name of Rosa Mota, advanced by the Portuguese Olympic Committee to replace Fernando Lima Bello in the IOC, Jacques Rogge leaves the door open for the former Olympic champion (he won the marathon in Seoul in 1988).

"She is well placed to be a candidate and, ultimately, must be acknowledged. It is a woman with a great reputation, is a great champion. However, this does not mean that between immediately, but will certainly be considered in the future," explained.

The IOC president also addressed the recent scandal of illegal betting in football, which broke out in Germany, considering a "huge danger" to the sport.

"It's a huge danger to the sport, just like doping. The illegal betting has grown over the years and it's scary. We must be very careful with this phenomenon," he said.

Jacques Rogge is in Portugal to receive, on Thursday, a doctorate honoris causa by the Faculty of Sport, University of Porto, a distinction that qualifies as honorable.

"It's a great honor. I am a product of the university, since I worked for a long time. It is a great honor, even for being recognized by a major university, as is the Porto" he said.

Friday, Rogge travels to Lisbon, where he will celebrate the centenary of the Olympic Committee of Portugal.

The leader of the IOC overlooked the fact that the President of the Republic, Aníbal Cavaco Silva and Prime Minister, José Sócrates, have not yet confirmed the presence at the ceremony.

"I'm not aware of it, but I can imagine that if they are not present is by having a busy schedule. If they do not come will not be a problem," he said.

He rarely says anything else when cities show an interest. It's not in their interest to scare anyone off.

The only city I think he's been less than enthusiastic about bidding, iirc, was Nairobi - even that was put very diplomatically though.

the two front-runners from this pool wont bid for the games

India Won't Bid For 2020 Games
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:36am EST GB Staff
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India won't bid for the 2020 Summer Olympic Games even if it organizes a successful 2010 Commonwealth Games, said sports minister Manohar Singh Gill Wednesday.
Gill was responding to a statement in Parliament by Samajwadi Party's Jaya Bachchan, who said that a well-organized Commonwealth Games would give India an opportunity to bid for the Olympics.

Gill said, "some of my colleagues (MPs) said casually that we should be bidding for Olympics. I'm not sure India should be. Look at the poverty in this country, look at our infrastructure." He added it wasn't just his personal view saying, "it's policy".

He said, "there is a certain class of us who want these great events because it's good entertainment. China spent Rs 50 billion on its Olympic Games. Think if you are ready to spend that amount".

Gill assured the MPs that the infrastructure of the October 3-14 Commonwealth Games would be ready.

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216134862.html

Malaysia Not Ready For Olympic Bid
Friday, November 20, 2009 11:42am EST GB Staff
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With the host city for the 2016 Summer Olympic Games elected, and several countries contemplating a future Olympic bid, Malaysia has made its intentions clear.
Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said holding the Olympic Games was a tall order for the country, reports the Straits Times.

The Prime Minister told a press conference after opening the 14th International Paralympic Committee (IPC) general assembly and conference in Kuala Lumpur Wednesday, "you have to be a strong sporting nation. In other words, you to have make an impact. You have to win medals and be a force to be reckoned with in the global sports arena. However, Malaysia is not there yet".

He made the comments when asked whether Malaysia was looking to host the Paralympic Games. He said the country would have to host the Olympics first before attempting to host the Paralympic Games.

http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216134856.html

I had no idea of how popular is Capetown outside of South Africa..
Definitely I'd love to see the games in Capetown, this city is just awesome!

So we have Istanbul, Madrid, Tokyo, and anyone else? Pretty powerful lineup if you ask me. I know that US cities will present proposals for the games but it's hard to imagine a US bid going very far given the issue of financing. Toronto would be a great way to bring the Olympics back to North America and while Africa will be on the IOC's radar, they seem to do the 'frontier' thing and then pull back to familiar turf. Also, the Athens experience might cause skepticism about the games being held by smaller cities and countries. India will obviously be as significant as China but one suggestion I have is to develop more of an interest there in olympic sports and sports participation. A strong commitment to Olympic sports could only help.

I hope is New York for 2020.

You mean we had to listen to all of that rambling and they aren't even bidding?

:nuts:

LMAO :lol:

But yeah ... it seems as if the Indian sports minister is a reasonable person.

Seeing as the poll has been closed, how about another round without the cities who have definitely said they're not interested? You could also drop the cities with the fewest votes from each continent.

I still say DC.

I still say DC.


I've always thought Washington/Baltimore could do an Olympics and do it well. You have 2 states and the District with all of their combined financial and civic might, something few other places in the US could come close to having. 2 major airports, venues aplenty, and the metro could be extended to Baltimore to connect it all. I say go for it!

^^I think DC would be better off trying a single host. There is no rule that Baltimore couldn't host a few events anyhow but I unless there is a real good reason I don't think the IOC cares much for joint bids.

Seeing as the poll has been closed, how about another round without the cities who have definitely said they're not interested? You could also drop the cities with the fewest votes from each continent.

I am guessing there will be three or four incarinations before 2020 come around. I would wait a lil' bit for some cities to make their canidates known. Within six months to a year we should know more or less who is a serious canidate.

I've always thought Washington/Baltimore could do an Olympics and do it well. You have 2 states and the District with all of their combined financial and civic might, something few other places in the US could come close to having. 2 major airports, venues aplenty, and the metro could be extended to Baltimore to connect it all. I say go for it!

Don't forget about Virginia.

DC should destroy RFK Stadium, and build a 85,000 seat Olympic Stadium. Then when the Olympics are over, move the Redskins back to DC. There you go.

Don't forget about Virginia.

I didn't. "2 states and the District"? But that gets me thinking that events could be held in Delaware and WV which would make it 4 state plus the District. That's a lot of political firepower.

Don't forget about Virginia.
DC should destroy RFK Stadium, and build a 85,000 seat Olympic Stadium. Then when the Olympics are over, move the Redskins back to DC. There you go.

That could make for a heck of a vista from the main stadium especially if the west end is left open looking out at The Capitol. I wonder if the city being such an embodiment of American power would help or hinder it with voters. Unlike Beijing I tend to think the potential could hurt.

Simlar to the case with China I personally think I would have been more intrigued by a Shanghai or Hong Kong (logistically not practical) games then a Beijing games and I would feel similar with a DC games (preferring a NYC, S.F. by comparison) but it would probably be in my top five potential US host.

I didn't. "2 states and the District"? But that gets me thinking that events could be held in Delaware and WV which would make it 4 state plus the District. That's a lot of political firepower.

I don't think that matters to much unless those states and suburbs feel like picking up some of the bill to go along with the games. I am not sure how funding would work but in fact D.C. could be at a disadvantage given that they don't have state coffers to dip into as Chicago or NYC did.

I'd love if Miami hosted it, but DC with a new stadium would be quite cool.
And that new stadium would be a natural final venue in a future WC bid.

Just saw it live on turkish TV.
Tukrish Sports minister:
"We will organize many big and small events in the Future. FIFA 2010 WC, 2001-2013 WTA Tour Championships, 2011 Blacksea Games, 2012 Winter Youth games, but our main aim is to bring the 2020 Olympics to Istanbul"


So after after a break for 2016 games, Istanbul will bid again :D

^^ FIFA 2010 WC?...

sorry
FIBA 2010 WC :)

that's time for madrid or spain a transition games between 2 "new lands" games
2016 Rio
2020 Madrid
2024 Istanbul, Durban or Cape Town

that's time for madrid or spain a transition games between 2 "new lands" games
2016 Rio
2020 Madrid
2024 Istanbul, Durban or Cape Town

I'm all for it. Barcelona was magical in my view so why would the IOC not want to do Madrid?

that's time for madrid or spain a transition games between 2 "new lands" games
2016 Rio
2020 Madrid
2024 Istanbul, Durban or Cape Town

I'm pretty sure you're right. There will be a "bridge" Olympics in 2020, just like London 2012. If it's not Madrid, it's Tokyo. If Tokyo wins, Paris x Cape Town in 2024 would be pretty epic.

It is, at this early stage, a very open "race"

It could go to any one of three, maybe four continents. 2012 felt like Western Europe's time and the final three cities standing confirmed this. 2016 always felt like it would go to the Americas, though most presumed this would mean the USA.

2020 could go to Africa, Asia, or Europe - and there'd be little surprise if any of these continents saw an Olympics in 2020. As a wild stab in the dark, I'd say Tokyo at the moment if you forced me to put my money anywhere. But I don't know really; it's too hard to call without seeing the list of applicants.

it has to go to Africa, the only continent never to host it! Durban or Capetown will do the job!

If they merit it, they'll have a good chance. I'm still not sure whether Rio's victory helps or hinders Afrcia's hopes for 2020 though.

I am sure that in 2020 the Olympics will return to Europe or Asia, because as I said earlier will be in transition between two new lands, many national committees in Europe is to present a candidate city, besides that by the IOC would be totally demagogic .

For my part I hope it finally Madrid 2020 Olympic!

Madrid, Rome or Istanbul is what Im thinking so far. Warsaw, Budapest and St Petersburg are other possibilties.

Why are so many people insisting on Madrid? I'm sure it could pull off a great games, but it seems dumb to return to Western Europe so soon after London 2012 and then keep increasing the time since a US summer games. I would like to see Istanbul since it is a bridge of largely untapped territory: Eastern Europe & Middle East. Madrid might be a safer bet, but I don't see a country of 45mil deserving two games in 18 years.

Madrid has a good chance because it has bid twice before, coming third to the two biggies in 2012, and second to Rio for 2016. They have a huge amount of bidding experience and connections within the IOC, as well as a very solid bid plan with many existing venues.

Istanbul, on the other hand, have bid several times before and haven't impressed the IOC with their plans to the same extent Madrid have.

Whether you think it should go to Madrid or not doesn't change these facts. And other people are of course entitled to their own opinions - if they support Madrid for 2020 that's their choice. :)

Why are so many people insisting on Madrid? I'm sure it could pull off a great games, but it seems dumb to return to Western Europe so soon after London 2012 and then keep increasing the time since a US summer games. I would like to see Istanbul since it is a bridge of largely untapped territory: Eastern Europe & Middle East. Madrid might be a safer bet, but I don't see a country of 45mil deserving two games in 18 years.

Don't hold your breath on the summer games ever coming back to the US...unless Paul Allen or some other multibillionaire wants to pick up the tab. The federal government doesn't spend for the Olympics so the US is persona non grata to the IOC.

Dreaming Guadalajara 2020 jejeje

its going to take place in south africa..y aint yall showing africa some love?

^^Africa can host 2028, I want to see how India host a Olympics 2020. 2024 gotta come to North America so hopefully Toronto 2024.

India has already said they're not bidding for 2020. So you might want to come up with a new list :)

^^Africa can host 2028, I want to see how India host a Olympics 2020. 2024 gotta come to North America so hopefully Toronto 2024.

keep dreaming.

africa : 2010 world cup

south america: 2014 world cup

s. america: 2016 olympics

africa: 2020 olympics

after s africa host a successful world cup in 2010, ioc rogge already said he wants the olympics in africa.

Rogge was believed to favour Paris for 2012; London won. What he wants isn't necessarily what happens in the votes. Besides which, did he say he wanted Africa to host in the future, or Africa to host specifically in 2020? I suspect the former, and if that is the case, your confidence that Africa will host is brave at best, foolhardy at worst.

As I said before, cities from any one of three of four continents could win 2020. Just because FIFA have done two "new" continents in a row (though, of course S. America wasn't new for them), doesn't mean the IOC will follow in their footsteps.

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thats one ugly logo

Better looking logo than the Lisa Simpson giving head one for london lol

its going to take place in south africa..y aint yall showing africa some love?

Capetown 2024 Believe it.

I hope they will give a chance to Istanbul, but Cape Town and Madrid would be awesome too.

First, Istanbul needs to drastically improve their bid before they would have any chance of advancing. They just keep rehasing their same old plan everytime they bid with nothing new on the table. The IOC is obviously not interested in those plans. So unless Istanbul has come up with something exceptionally new this time without just throwing out their same old relic plan, I don't give them much of a chance this next time around either.

2016 Rio, Brazil
2018 Muinch, Germany
2020 Cape Town, South Africa
2022 Reno, USA
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2026 Santigo, Chile
2028 Bangkok, Thailand
2030 Quennstown, New Zealand
2032 LA, USA

Capetown 2024 Believe it.
I Believe it but 4 years before

As much as i would like to see the Olympics in my home city of Brisbane, it wont happen in 2024...

As much as i would like to see the Olympics in my home city of Brisbane, it wont happen in 2024...

Where do you think the 2024 olympics be in

2016 Rio, Brazil
2018 Muinch, Germany
2020 Cape Town, South Africa
2022 Reno, USA
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2026 Santigo, Chile
2028 Bangkok, Thailand
2030 Quennstown, New Zealand
2032 LA, USA

That won't happen, at least with LA in 2032. If the USA hasn't gotten another summer games by 2024 you can bet all the sponsors will start yanking their money out of the American Olympic program and when the corporate sponsors go the USA will have no money to run an Olympic program. With no athletes to send it would be futile, and stupid, to bid let alone hope to win.

First, Istanbul needs to drastically improve their bid before they would have any chance of advancing. They just keep rehasing their same old plan everytime they bid with nothing new on the table. The IOC is obviously not interested in those plans. So unless Istanbul has come up with something exceptionally new this time without just throwing out their same old relic plan, I don't give them much of a chance this next time around either.

I think that was the reason why they did not bid for the 2016 games.
BTW whats so bad at the bid?

The 2018 winter olympics will be the last olympics in Europe until some time in the late 2060s Becouse the olympics has been in Europe 30 times it's time fore other continet to have more games

FIFA 2018 USA
FIFA 2022 Japan
FIFA 2026 England
FIFA 2030 Australia

CWG 2018 Gold Coast
CWG 2022 Abuja
CWG 2026 Toronto
CWG 2030 Cardiff

SYOG 2014 Guadalajara
SYOG 2018 Toulouse

WYOG 2016 Lake Placid
WYOG 2020 Sofia

PAG 2019 Lima
PAG 2023 Birmingham

ASG 2019 KL
ASG 2023 Dubai

World Fair 2017 Edmonton
World Fair 2020 Brisbane
World Fair 2023 Dubai

The 2018 winter olympics will be the last olympics in Europe until some time in the late 2060s Becouse the olympics has been in Europe 30 times it's time fore other continet to have more games

FIFA 2018 USA
FIFA 2022 Japan
FIFA 2026 England
FIFA 2030 Australia

CWG 2018 Gold Coast
CWG 2022 Abuja
CWG 2026 Toronto
CWG 2030 Cardiff

SYOG 2014 Guadalajara
SYOG 2018 Toulouse

WYOG 2016 Lake Placid
WYOG 2020 Sofia

PAG 2019 Lima
PAG 2023 Birmingham

ASG 2019 KL
ASG 2023 Dubai

World Fair 2017 Edmonton
World Fair 2020 Brisbane
World Fair 2023 Dubai

lol, ok

LOS ANGELES 2032
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Well i would like to see the olympics to be back to hollywood fore the 3rd thime and this will be the biggest one becouse the 1932 was in the Great Depression
1984 was led boycott Soviet Union LA 2032 will be the big one i was born after 1984 and it a nice city and beachs Nice weather tem ranges form 9-25c and only 28 days of rain and the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum is ready.

rio 2016 killed all aspirations of mexican cities for at least three olympic cycles

go istanbul

Warsaw should be given the chance. If not in 2020 then in 2024 ;)

Well i would like to see the olympics to be back to hollywood fore the 3rd thime and this will be the biggest one becouse the 1932 was in the Great Depression
1984 was led boycott Soviet Union LA 2032 will be the big one i was born after 1984 and it a nice city and beachs Nice weather tem ranges form 9-25c and only 28 days of rain and the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum is ready.

Are you typing in the dark?

Countries that have one or more cities considering bidding for the 2020 Olympic Games:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/2020_Olympic_bidding_nations.png/800px-2020_Olympic_bidding_nations.png

Russia?! Way too soon for them. I'd probably say the same about Canada as well.

Well, the Russian case doesn't surprise me at all. As far as I am aware they are bidding all the possible games :D

But nobody can break Istanbuls bid record :D

Los Angeles, Detroit (7 bids, no wins!), Amsterdam, Rome, Budapest, and Paris have all bid more times than Istanbul. But Istanbul is the recent bridesmaid I suppose.

Nooo. We are never a leader :)

But nobody can break Istanbuls bid record :D

Toronto is 0-2, what's Istanbul at?

Russia?! Way too soon for them. I'd probably say the same about Canada as well.

Toronto would probably prefer to bid for the 2024 OG, but is worried about a successful US or Mexican bid for the 2020 OG. If the 2020 OG went to either of those countries, Toronto will have blown its best chance in a generation to host. Competition to host is only going to get stiffer going forward as many more cities from Asia, Africa, and south America become viable host cities.

Well, the Russian case doesn't surprise me at all. As far as I am aware they are bidding all the possible games :D
Russia is one of the constant leaders in both, Summer and Winter, Olympic games. No wonder that we want to host Olympic Games, especially after incidents in Salt-Lake City (2nd gold medal to US pair) and Athens (remember Nemov?) with obvious unfair judges. Of course we want to host normal games without such incidents.

About "bidding all the possible games":
Moscow 3 (1976,1980,2012)
Sochi 1 (2014)
St. Petersburg 1 (2004)

Not so "all possible games", yeah?

St. Petersburg is bidding on 2020 and it will be great to host OG in one of the most beautiful cities in the world.

Russia is one of the constant leaders in both, Summer and Winter, Olympic games.

That's true. Besides Russia, only the United States and Germany are dominant sporting nations in both Olympics. We'll beat you in Vancouver though!

Toronto is 0-2, what's Istanbul at?


0-4 :D

2000
2004
2008
2012
-
"2020"

The reason is quite easy. We have a law. Government has to bid for the Olympics and of course has to make Istanbul "better" for the Olympics. Therefore they've already built the stadium and a sports hall.

Belgrade 2020 go go go

0-4 :D


I thought we were having bad luck, but that's obviously worse!

Do Turks believe that Istanbul would have a better chance of winning a bid if they waited? Torontonians were disappointed with losing 1996 and 2008, but in hindsight, the city will be a far more dynamic place in 2020 or 2024 than it would have been in either of those previous years.

I imagine that Instanbul is growing and transforming rapidly just like Toronto? Hosting is a once in a life time opportunity for most cities. We want Toronto to be the 'show piece' that it seems destined to become. Conventional wisdom here seems to be that we should just wait till the city comes into its own a little more.

Actually in Trkey most people do not believe that Istanbul will ever get the Olympics.
more and more people want Izmir to bid for Turkey.

Istanbul would be truly amazing though, its such a cool city - the ultimate mix between San Francisco, Rome and Damascus, with a bit of Buenos Aires thrown in too. It would be the first Islamic country (about time too), and the first with events held on two continents.

Yes, I agree. Turkey will get the summer Olympics sooner or later, but it should be Istanbul.

Turkey is at a crossroads of three continents, many religions, and an important nation. There's a lot of good will around the world towards these games going to Turkey and I'd be shocked if it didn't happen in the next 20 years. Turkey is one of those countries like Brazil or South Africa that represents fresh territory.

As much as I want it to come to Canada first, Turkey deserves a shot at this. We've already had the Games. In all likelihood, both Istanbul and Toronto will probably land the summer Olympics in the near future.

Thanks, but first of all we have to win it. And therefore we need a strong bid and of course lobby

After Rio was chosen for 2016, the 5 cities that have a sense of overdueness to host the Olympics are Istanbul, Cape Town, Tokyo, Madrid and Paris. The latter four cities have already shown they can come up with good bids, so they'll be favourites whenever they're in a race. Istanbul still needs to prove itself with a respectable position in a host election. Toronto would need to have continental rotation in its favour in order to beat those cities.

Cape Town and Istanbul are less likely to win 4 years after another new frontier is elected (e.g. 2020).

Madrid probably still resents getting so close to hosting in 2012 and 2016, so they might not want to bid again. And Paris is probably waiting for 2024. That's why I have Tokyo as favourites for 2020.

Delhi and Doha/Dubai are the next new frontiers after Cape Town and Istanbul, but they won't get their Olympics before these two.

But no one knows. Just remember London came out of nowhere and got the 2012 Olympics.

And PLEASE: The cities are overdue, not the countries (apart from the CT case, at which the continent is overdue- so Durban is acceptable). We do not want Izmir or Fukuoka. I hope the IOC feels the same.

The USA has a patten the 1904 St Louise summer 1932 lake P winter 1932 LA sum 1960 Sqaur valley win 1980 Lake P win 1984 LA sum 1996 Atlanta sum and SLC 2002 win so do yo see the patten
Summer winter Summer Winter winter summer summer winter so the US has to get the winter olympics then get summer
The next winter olympics 2022 Reno-Tahoe becouse it has the money becouse it has more then 10 casiono and more then 3 million guest, IOC is sill not happy with denver becouse thay got the 1976 games but they did not whanted so it called a biggest strian on the IOC, Bozeman, Montana no chane
Summer olympics host has a pattern St Lou LA LA Alanta so i think to celbrate the 100th ann of the LA olympics in 1932 2032 summer olympics LA
summer olympics 04 32 84 96 32 winter olympics 32 60 80 02 22
summer olympics
2012 London, UK
2016 Rio de Janerio, Brazil 1st in South armerica
2020 Cape Town, South Africa 1st in Africa
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Bangkok, Thailand 1st in south east asia
2032 LA, USA
2036 Lima, Peru
2040 Perth, Australia
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Tokyo, Japan
2052 Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
2056 Nairobi, Kenya
2060 Kingstown, Jamica 1st in the caribbean
2064 Adelaide, Australia
2068 Dubai, UAE 1st in the Middle east
2072 Caracs, Veneulea
2076 Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
2080 Moscow, Russia
2084 New York City, USA
2088 Mumbai, India
2092 Cario, Egypt
2096 Athens, Greece
2100 Dawrin, Australia
2200 Mars, 1st out of Earth
winter olympics
2010 vancover, Canada
2014 Sochi, Russia
2018 Munich, Germany 1st city to Host the Summer and winter olympics
2022 Reno-Tahoe, USA
2026 Santiago, Chile 1st in South Amercia and south Hemishper
2030 Queenstown, New Zealand 1st in oceania
2034 Ifrane, Morocco 1st in Africa
2038 Sapporo, Japan
2042 Tromso, Norway
2046 Quebec City, Canada
2050 Canberra, Australia
2054 Östersund, Sweden
2058 Almaty, Kazakhstan
2062 Anchorage, Alaska, USA
2066 Ushuaia, Argentina/Antarctica 1st at antarctica
2070 Hobart, Australia

The USA has a patten the 1904 St Louise summer 1932 lake P winter 1932 LA sum 1960 Sqaur valley win 1980 Lake P win 1984 LA sum 1996 Atlanta sum and SLC 2002 win so do yo see the patten
:?


^^ Athens again before Tokyo? 4 Summer Olympics in Australia in 64 years? Only 3 more Summer Games in Europe, IN THE CENTURY? This is the worst list I've ever seen, sorry.

PS: How can someone properly spell "Kazakhstan" and mispell "America" twice? :?

Actually in Trkey most people do not believe that Istanbul will ever get the Olympics.
more and more people want Izmir to bid for Turkey.

huh? Why do they figure that? I understand that it is easy to get complex after getting rejected to the dance a number of times but Istanbul has to many things going in its favor for it not to be a serious canidate rather soon.

[QUOTE=nomarandlee;49603709] I understand that it is easy to get complex after getting rejected to the dance a number of timesQUOTE]

Thats the point.
Typicial turkish behavior. Black or white. No grey.
Turks love to exaggerate in a positive way (just look at football forums when a turkish club beats a big club "we will win the CL etc" :D ) but also in a negative way (After 2 macthes without a point -> club will relegate although its just 4 points behind the leader)

^^ Some Turks also suggest turning their backs to the European Union everytime Turkey gets rejected, don't they? I see a pattern here.

Nuzman has already said that Rio would try again in 2020 if it had failed in 2016.

Well, well, well. India may be in the mix after all.

A bid from New Delhi for the 2020 Olympics and Paralympics will not be discussed until after this year's Commonwealth Games, Suresh Kalmadi (pictured), the President of the Indian Olympic Association (IOA), said today.

Kalmadi has long harboured ambitions for Delhi to bid for the Olympics and sees the Commonwealth Games, which are due to open on October 3, as a launchpad for a campaign to bring them to India.

With Beijing having hosted the 2008 Olympics, India, with a population of 1.1 billion, is now the most populous country in the world never to have staged the Games.

But Kalmadi, the chairman of the Commonwealth Games organising committee, wants to make sure first that this year's event passes off successfully despite the troubled build-up amid international concerns over the building of facilities and security worries.

He said: "I don't want to talk about this issue now.

"Let us first make the Commonwealth Games a huge success, then only we can think about bidding for Olympics."

Kalmadi's views appear to be at odds with those of India's Sports Minister M.S. Gill who, last November, claimed that they should scrap any plans to bid in the near future because "I do not think the common man [in India] wants an Olympic Games".

But Kalmadi believes that the infrastructure left behind by the Commonwealth Games will leave Delhi with a world-class city that could cope with the Olympics.

He said: "As far as infrastructure and development is concerned, Delhi will move ahead by five years because of the Commonwealth Games.

"It includes metro, airport terminal, roads and games venues.

"It will be a lasting legacy."

A number of cities around the world are considering launching bids for the Games, including Madrid, who have lost the last two races, to London in 2012 and Rio in 2016, and Tokyo, the hosts of the 1964 Olympics who were also beaten in the latest race.

The International Olympic Committee are due to announce the host city of the 2020 Olympics sometime in 2013.

http://insidethegames.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8682:kalmadi-refuses-to-rule-out-new-delhi-bid-for-2020-olympics&catid=1:latest-news

But no one knows. Just remember London came out of nowhere and got the 2012 Olympics.

And PLEASE: The cities are overdue, not the countries (apart from the CT case, at which the continent is overdue- so Durban is acceptable). We do not want Izmir or Fukuoka. I hope the IOC feels the same.

Actually, London was seen as the 2nd, after Paris, at being able to land the 2012 Olympics (the final ballot for 2012 was always predicted by the pundits as being between Paris & London). London knew that Paris was the bid to beat, & they did. The London bid did start out a bit sluggish at first, but to say that London 'came out of nowhere' is quite an understatement. The London bid team extremely lobbied 'til the very end & made an excellent final presentation in Singapore.

I share the same sentiment on Izmir & Fukuoka though (& it's very apparent so does the IOC). They're much smaller cities that lye in countries that have already hosted (except for Turkey) & have no real allure compared to their bigger brothers & sisters like Tokyo & Istanbul. Agreed that Cape Town & Durban are another story. Both are on a continent that has never hosted before, so the IOC may deem either appropriate since the "we're the last continent that's left to host" card may take precedence over anything else.

Toronto would probably prefer to bid for the 2024 OG, but is worried about a successful US or Mexican bid for the 2020 OG. If the 2020 OG went to either of those countries, Toronto will have blown its best chance in a generation to host. Competition to host is only going to get stiffer going forward as many more cities from Asia, Africa, and south America become viable host cities.

Well, the USOC (nor Mexico for that matter) hasn't made any noise lately about bidding for 2020. There has to be bid city visits & evaluations before a nominee can be designated & time is running out for that, since there's an IOC application deadline.

Interested U.S. cities would have to be preparing a bid right now, & other than Tulsa, OK blowing smoke out of their silly a$s, there really isn't anything noteworthy going on. I really don't think the U.S. is going to bid for 2020.

Besides, the rotation doesn't favor the "Americas'" anymore after Rio won 2016. In the IOC eyes, the Americas' have been taken care of already for at least the next couple of cycles.

Actually, London was seen as the 2nd, after Paris, at being able to land the 2012 Olympics (the final ballot for 2012 was always predicted by the pundits as being between Paris & London). London knew that Paris was the bid to beat, & they did. The London bid did start out a bit sluggish at first, but to say that London 'came out of nowhere' is quite an understatement. The London bid team extremely lobbied 'til the very end & made an excellent final presentation in Singapore.

I share the same sentiment on Izmir & Fukuoka though (& it's very apparent so does the IOC). They're much smaller cities that lye in countries that have already hosted (except for Turkey) & have no real allure compared to their bigger brothers & sisters like Tokyo & Istanbul. Agreed that Cape Town & Durban are another story. Both are on a continent that has never hosted before, so the IOC may deem either appropriate since the "we're the last continent that's left to host" card may take precedence over anything else.


I didn't mean to say London had a totally unexpected victory, or that it was considered an underdog. What I said is that England had not bid for the last 2 cycles, and definetely not with its strongest city, so the proposal of a London bid was a surprise. After it was put forth, everyone knew London could spoil Paris' party. It was unexpected just like a NY bid would be unepected for 2024, but no-one doubts they could pull it off.

Well, the IOC did send a subtle message to the BOA (British Olympic Association) several years ago, after the U.K. failed Olympic bids of Manchester & Birmingham, that if the United Kingdom was ever interested in hosting the Olympics again, that they should do so with London (that's also where the other hidden message seems to come in that the IOC is not really interested in smaller league cities). So in that sense, the London bid was no great surprise, it was just a matter of time when they actually would prepare & place a bid when they timing for another European Olympics would be appropriate. Unlike the U.S., the U.K. really only has one city that would attract the IOC, & sure enough, they did.

Well, the USOC (nor Mexico for that matter) hasn't made any noise lately about bidding for 2020. There has to be bid city visits & evaluations before a nominee can be designated & time is running out for that, since there's an IOC application deadline.

Interested U.S. cities would have to be preparing a bid right now, & other than Tulsa, OK blowing smoke out of their silly a$s, there really isn't anything noteworthy going on. I really don't think the U.S. is going to bid for 2020.

Besides, the rotation doesn't favor the "Americas'" anymore after Rio won 2016. In the IOC eyes, the Americas' have been taken care of already for at least the next couple of cycles.

Officially, the IOC says they don't rotate from continent to continent, but we all know that they do. We also know that the bid process is highly politicized. You're probably right that no country in America will get the nod in 2020.

I assumed that there would be bids in 2020 from US cities and maybe Mexico. If Tulsa is the only city that's made any mention, that bodes well for Toronto in 2024. I'd be shocked if the US won 3 summer Olympics out of 4 (1984, 1996, 2024?) when there is a viable alternative from America like Toronto. I don't believe America would have to wait till 2028 since Europe hosted the summer Olympics in 2004 and 2012.

The 5 continents symbolized by the 5 Olympic rings: America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australasia

1984 America (Los Angeles)
1988 Asia (Seoul)
1992 Europe (Barcelona)
1996 America (Atlanta)
2000 Australasia (Sydney)
2004 Europe (Athens)
2008 Asia (Beijing)
2012 Europe (London)
2016 America (Rio de Janeiro)
2020 ?
2024 America (Toronto or a US city again?)

Old Project
summer olympics
2012 London, UK
2016 Rio de Janerio, Brazil 1st in South armerica
2020 Cape Town, South Africa 1st in Africa
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Bangkok, Thailand 1st in south east asia
2032 LA, USA
2036 Lima, Peru
2040 Perth, Australia
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Tokyo, Japan
2052 Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
2056 Nairobi, Kenya
2060 Kingstown, Jamica 1st in the caribbean
2064 Adelaide, Australia
2068 Dubai, UAE 1st in the Middle east
2072 Caracs, Veneulea
2076 Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
2080 Moscow, Russia
2084 New York City, USA
2088 Mumbai, India
2092 Cario, Egypt
2096 Athens, Greece
2100 Dawrin, Australia
2200 Mars, 1st out of Earth

New Project
2012 London, UK
2016 Rio de Janerio, Brazil 1st in South america
2020 Toronto, Canada
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Bangkok, Thailand 1st in south east asia
2032 LA, USA
2036 Cape Town, South Africa 1st in Africa
2040 Tokyo, Japan
2044 Athens or Olympia, Greece
2048 Perth, Australia
2052 Honolulu, Hawaii, USA
2056 Seville, Spain
2060 Kingstown, Jamica 1st in the caribbean
2064 Dubai, UAE 1st in the Middle east
2068 Frankfurt, Germany
2072 Lima, Peru
2076 Adelaide, Australia
2080 Moscow, Russia
2084 New York City, USA
2088 Mumbai, India
2092 Cario, Egypt
2096 Athens, Greece
2100 Dawrin, Australia
2200 Mars, 1st out of Earth

Africa Need to be more Developt South Africa is 129th on the Human Development and their HDI is 0.683 and India is 134th their 0.612 in 2009 form 2006 South Africa moved up .003 and India .008 they need to help their people out more then thay can host the games china was 0.772

I assumed that there would be bids in 2020 from US cities and maybe Mexico. If Tulsa is the only city that's made any mention, that bodes well for Toronto in 2024. I'd be shocked if the US won 3 summer Olympics out of 4 (1984, 1996, 2024?) when there is a viable alternative from America like Toronto.
Or that could be spun another way and framed as "is Canada really deserving of hosting two out of the last four NA summer games (1976, 1984, 1996, 2024?)"

When you take into account market size and historical Olympic weight for the prospects of an awarded games the idea that US has been or would be over served and Canada would be getting its just desert fails the logic test IMO.

Toronto would make a good 2020 (I don't think a SA games necessarily negates a 2020 NA games) or 2024 candidate. Doing so would be effectively pushing back a US games back to 2032 or 2036 though. Forty years is a long time to not bring it back to the US. Perhaps it is not too long in IOC members eyes these days but who knows.

Or that could be spun another way and framed as "is Canada really deserving of hosting two out of the last four NA summer games (1976, 1984, 1996, 2024?)"

When you take into account market size and historical Olympic weight for the prospects of an awarded games the idea that US has been or would be over served and Canada would be getting its just desert fails the logic test IMO.

Toronto would make a good 2020 (I don't think a SA games necessarily negates a 2020 NA games) or 2024 candidate. Doing so would be effectively pushing back a US games back to 2032 or 2036 though. Forty years is a long time to not bring it back to the US. Perhaps it is not too long in IOC members eyes these days but who knows.

I suppose it boils down to whether one subscribes to the notion that nations like China and the United States 'deserve' the summer Olympics more often than nations like Canada and the United Kingdom. It's a valid argument up to a point, but people in big nations like yours take that argument too far.

It's like apportionment in politics. I'm not sure if you have such a concept in the United States (I think you do), but there are checks and balances in place to make sure smaller groups have a voice/get their chance. It's important to find a balance between the 2 solitudes.

Naturally, the United States is going to argue that they should be given the Olympics more often because they are a bigger country. The United States, throughout the modern Olympic era, has also been the biggest viable host nation around. Now China has taken that position. If we're going to adhere to this US argument, down the road your country won't get the Olympics very often either. It would go to China or India about a third of the time.

There are lots of factors beyond population that need to be taken into account. The United States needs to learn how to share or a great deal of animosity will begin to build up around much of the world. Whether Americans think it ridiculous or not, many nations around the world see their own nation on an equal footing to all others, never in a junior role.

The United States may have 9 times as many people as Canada, but I never ever view any nation as anything but an equal to my own. That includes smaller nations like New Zealand or Cuba. Smaller nations should always be dealt with as your equal. To do otherwise is arrogant. It requires altruism, something the United Nations was founded on, but it's not something that those in the position of power take to easily. Why would they, when they can just force their hand? We've all had a run in with the big kid in school.

I suppose it boils down to whether one subscribes to the notion that nations like China and the United States 'deserve' the summer Olympics more often than nations like Canada and the United Kingdom. It's a valid argument up to a point, but people in big nations like yours take that argument too far. .
It can be. However I have also argued there are limited to how soon the US should get a games. I always thought twelve years was much too soon for the US to get another games (1984, 1996). However I think a rough separation of every 20-30 years of a games in the US (and in the future China) makes some sense. I'll be blunt, I don't see why Australia or Canada should get a games for every time the US, Brazil, or Germany does (or potentially will). Just like I think Canada and Australia should probably deserve to host a games more often then say Greece, Sweden, or Switzerland.

It's like apportionment in politics. I'm not sure if you have such a concept in the United States (I think you do), but there are checks and balances in place to make sure smaller groups have a voice/get their chance. It's important to find a balance between the 2 solitudes.
Yes, most notable every state in the senate, regardless of size, has two senators. I agree their needs to be a balance struck between the two principles.

Naturally, the United States is going to argue that they should be given the Olympics more often because they are a bigger country. The United States, throughout the modern Olympic era, has also been the biggest viable host nation around. Now China has taken that position. If we're going to adhere to this US argument, down the road your country won't get the Olympics very often either. It would go to China or India about a third of the time.
When the Chinese market makes up for nearly 50% of IOC revenue and is a strong presence in the games routinely then yes I do expect a games will go to China about once every generation. Brazil and perhaps Russia also will likely get more Olympics routinely as well in the future.
There are lots of factors beyond population that need to be taken into account. The United States needs to learn how to share or a great deal of animosity will begin to build up around much of the world. Whether Americans think it ridiculous or not, many nations around the world see their own nation on an equal footing to all others, never in a junior role.

This isn't a US lacking manners compared to civilized nations issue as you insinuate. It is acknowledgement of reality by the IOC of who butters their bread and keeping their most important constituents happy. Also by tending towards the larger nations more often in fact the IOC will be pleasing more people and making the Olympic movement more popular which is ultimately what it is about. Better to make a nation of 1 billion, 400 million, 200 million happy rather then one of 40m, 20m, or 10m. It shouldn't be a decisive factor but it is and should be an important consideration.

The United States may have 9 times as many people as Canada, but I never ever view any nation as anything but an equal to my own. That includes smaller nations like New Zealand or Cuba. Smaller nations should always be dealt with as your equal. To do otherwise is arrogant. It requires altruism, something the United Nations was founded on, but it's not something that those in the position of power take to easily. Why would they, when they can just force their hand? We've all had a run in with the big kid in school
Ok, well then before Canada gets ANOTHER games and as a Canadian "sounding arrogant" you should "share" (in order not to build up anti-Canadians animosity) and suggest that smaller nations who have hosted a games or done so in a long time like Sweden, New Zealand, Chile, Panama etc. to do so before Canada gets another go.

Why does Canada deserve to host another summer games even before larger nations such as France, Germany, Turkey, Italy, and Japan have waited much longer? (I also thought that Sydney games was perhaps a tad too soon for an Aussi games too BTW).

This isn't a US lacking manners compared to civilized nations issue as you insinuate.

That wasn't what I was insinuating at all. I was commenting on the fact that larger nations often don't interact with smaller nations as their equals. It has nothing to do with manners or whether one is civilized.


Ok, well then before Canada gets ANOTHER games and as a Canadian "sounding arrogant" you should "share" (in order not to build up anti-Canadians animosity) and suggest that smaller nations who have hosted a games or done so in a long time like Sweden, New Zealand, Chile, Panama etc. to do so before Canada gets another go.

Exactly! Other nations deserve it more than Canada does. I'm not about to argue otherwise.


Why does Canada deserve to host another summer games even before larger nations such as France, Germany, Turkey, Italy, and Japan have waited much longer? (I also thought that Sydney games was perhaps a tad too soon for an Aussi games too BTW).

I'm not sure where I've said that Canada does. Perhaps you should read post #1218. :weird:

If Canada bids in 2020 or 2024, I'm not about to argue that we deserve to host twice in 44-48 years when other nations have never hosted or waited longer. That doesn't mean I'm not going to support a Canadian bid. It also doesn't mean that I'd want a Canadian bid to fail.

The whole notion of entitlement really puts my nose out of joint. That doesn't mean you can't bid on something.

I assumed that there would be bids in 2020 from US cities and maybe Mexico. If Tulsa is the only city that's made any mention, that bodes well for Toronto in 2024. I'd be shocked if the US won 3 summer Olympics out of 4 (1984, 1996, 2024?) when there is a viable alternative from America like Toronto. I don't believe America would have to wait till 2028 since Europe hosted the summer Olympics in 2004 and 2012.

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There have been a few other mid-sized/smaller U.S. cities that have played/considered or toyed with the 2020 idea (like Detroit, Minneapolis, Pittsburgh & gimme a break Birmingham), but giddy Tulsa is the only one, as of late, that has been smoking some serious whacked-out stuff & made the most babble about this lately.

After the not-so encouraging 2012, & especially 2016 IOC voting results (with a 2016 U.S. bid that was excellent, compared to any previous U.S. attempts), the USOC in-house reorganization & the low caliber of cities that have expressed some interest for 2020 (not to mention the not-so favorable rotation factor), I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the USOC were to sit this one out.

And to make matters more conflicting, Denver & Reno (Lake Tahoe) seriously want to bid for the 2022 Winter Olympics. The USOC might just give one of them their wish & give one of them a shot, after the aftermath has settled & a clearer vision is determined. Perhpas geopolitically & as a "consolation" for 2012 & 2016, the U.S.' chances at a Winter Games might be better at the moment.

You all know what is built and is U/C in Dubai... Just imagine what would their Olympic sports complex would look like... They would invest lots of money for sure...

You all know what is built and is U/C in Dubai... Just imagine what would their Olympic sports complex would look like... They would invest lots of money for sure...

With what money?

With what money?

Black money... :D

That wasn't what I was insinuating at all. I was commenting on the fact that larger nations often don't interact with smaller nations as their equals. It has nothing to do with manners or whether one is civilized.

How is the US or Americans not treating other as equals>? Is Canada or Canadians who advocate bringing the games to Canada before smaller capable nations host not treating them as equals? Yet you go to the fallback stereotype that Americans are somehow being arrogant a-holes by suggesting that the US would be a good place to bring them back to.


I'm not sure where I've said that Canada does. Perhaps you should read post #1218. :weird:

There is a lot of nations other then Turkey who deseve to go before Canada to if we are going to go by your "every nation is equal" formula.

If Canada bids in 2020 or 2024, I'm not about to argue that we deserve to host twice in 44-48 years when other nations have never hosted or waited longer. That doesn't mean I'm not going to support a Canadian bid. It also doesn't mean that I'd want a Canadian bid to fail.
I hope y0ou wouldn't put the double standard on the US or Americans that they should feel guilty for advocating for or being OK with a games coming to the US three times in 40-50 years. Why should an American want a bid to fail or say it isn't deserving?

The whole notion of entitlement really puts my nose out of joint. That doesn't mean you can't bid on something.

Who feels entitled?

I just have to laugh at some of the predictions in the list.... I read somewhere that Australia is not gonna bid for an olympics for 2024 and being realistic there wont be another one for a very long time. I think getting the soccer world cup in 2018/22 is a higher priority.

2020 Cape Town, South Africa 1st in africa
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Bangkok, Thailand 1st in south east asia
2032 LA, USA
2036 Dubai, UAE 1st in the middle east
2040 Lima, Peru
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Kingston, Jamacia 1st in the caribbean
2052 Perth, Australia 1st at the indian ocean
2056 Honolulu, United States 1st in Polynesian city
2060 Moscow, Russia
2064 Tokyo, Japan
2068 Buenos Aires, Argentina
2072 Cairo, Egypt
2076 Adelaide, Australia
2080 Seville, Spain
2084 New York City, United States
2088 Singapore
2092 Nairobi, Kenya
2096 Athens, Greece
2100 Darwin, Australia
From 2020 to 2036 most likey to be in those city from 2040 im just gesting

Predicting anything beyond 2020 is virtually impossible, let alone 20-30 years from now, since so many things globally changbe on a daily basis.

I also seriously doubt that Australia (a nation of only 20 million people) would get another Summer Olympics before the United States (a much bigger & more influential nation of over 300 million) gets to host another one.

Cheyenne,WY best city in the US to host the games.

2020 Cape Town, South Africa 1st in africa
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Bangkok, Thailand 1st in south east asia
2032 LA, USA
2036 Dubai, UAE 1st in the middle east
2040 Lima, Peru
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Kingston, Jamacia 1st in the caribbean
2052 Perth, Australia 1st at the indian ocean
2056 Honolulu, United States 1st in Polynesian city
2060 Moscow, Russia
2064 Tokyo, Japan
2068 Buenos Aires, Argentina
2072 Cairo, Egypt
2076 Adelaide, Australia
2080 Seville, Spain
2084 New York City, United States
2088 Singapore
2092 Nairobi, Kenya
2096 Athens, Greece
2100 Darwin, Australia
From 2020 to 2036 most likey to be in those city from 2040 im just gesting

Why Bangkok first then Singapore?

I think Singapore have much more capability than Bangkok.

If want make 2028 1st in Southeast Asia, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta is much more capable than Bangkok.

Why Bangkok first then Singapore?
I think Singapore have much more capability than Bangkok.
If want make 2028 1st in Southeast Asia, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta is much more capable than Bangkok.
The Olympics is a big event for such a relatively small population to be burdened with.

How is the US or Americans not treating other as equals>?

I didn't say that the US or Americans aren't treating others as equals. I said that people who argue that large nations deserve the Olympics more than small nations aren't. I'm not sure how you can argue anything but that. 'More than' by definition can't also mean 'equals'. That's a basic tenet/rule of mathematics.


Is Canada or Canadians who advocate bringing the games to Canada before smaller capable nations host not treating them as equals?

Bidding for a games doesn't mean you're not treating a smaller nation as an equal. Arguing that you deserve it over them because you are a bigger nation, is.


There is a lot of nations other then Turkey who deseve to go before Canada to if we are going to go by your "every nation is equal" formula.

That's right. Now you're starting to get it. :okay:


I hope y0ou wouldn't put the double standard on the US or Americans that they should feel guilty for advocating for or being OK with a games coming to the US three times in 40-50 years.

No, I would never argue that anyone, no matter what nation they are from, should feel guilty for advocating that the games come to their country. I would certainly say it goes too far to argue that one deserves it more than another nation due to population size or money though.


Why should an American want a bid to fail?

They shouldn't want a bid to fail. What a bizarre thing to say. You just don't seem to understand the difference between advocating for something and entitlement. Advocating for your country is a good thing, but no one is entitled to anything. Why is this a difficult concept? Arguing that a big nation deserves the Olympics more than a small nation = entitlement. I'm really at a loss as to why you don't understand that.

:weird:

You all know what is built and is U/C in Dubai... Just imagine what would their Olympic sports complex would look like... They would invest lots of money for sure...

Hopefully, Dubai will recover from its financial woes. I'd love to see a Summer Olympics there one day, but Dubai needs more time before they launch a bid.

Why Bangkok first then Singapore?

I think Singapore have much more capability than Bangkok.

If want make 2028 1st in Southeast Asia, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta is much more capable than Bangkok.



Bangkok, Thailand Hosted the asian games 4 times. In 1966, 1970, 1978 and 1998 all of them was a great. Bangkok is more the capability then singapore Jakarta or Kuala Lumpur.
Alot of bombs go off in Jakarta it's a war zone and the airport in kl airport is an 1hour drive from the city.

Bangkok, Thailand Hosted the asian games 4 times. In 1966, 1970, 1978 and 1998 all of them was a great. Bangkok is more the capability then singapore Jakarta or Kuala Lumpur.
Alot of bombs go off in Jakarta it's a war zone and the airport in kl airport is an 1hour drive from the city.


yes we 've more capbility than Singapore or Kualalumpur.