2000 - Sydney, Australia
2004 - Athens, Greece
2008 - Beijing, China
2012 - London, United Kingdom
2016 - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2020 - Madrid, Spain
2024 -Minnieapolis/ St Paul, United States of America
2028 - Auckland, New Zealand
2032 - Moscow, Russia
2036 - Osaka, Japan
2040 - Nairobi, Kenya
2044 - Motreal, Canada
2048 - Buenos Ares, Argentina
2052 - Chicago, United States of America
2056 - Melbourne, Australia (FIRST CITY EVER TO HAVE 100 YEARS APART)
2060 -Shanghai, China
2064 - KL, Malaysia
2068 - Cape Town - SA
2072 - Glasgow - Scotland
2076 - Perth, Australia
2080 - Pheonix, United States of America
2084 - Oslo, Norway
2088 - Athens - Greece
2092 - Hyberdad, India
2096 - Rabat - Morrocco
2100 - Sydney, Australia (100 years on)

That's was fun!

Nairobi before Cape Town?? :lol:!

Nairobi is becoming heavily established. And I love the city. :]

Is my list any good?

Nairobi is indeed making strides, but it's going to take a good long while of playing catchup to some other cities on the African continent.

2000 - Sydney, Australia
2004 - Athens, Greece
2008 - Beijing, China
2012 - London, United Kingdom
2016 - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2020 - Madrid, Spain
2024 -Minnieapolis/ St Paul, United States of America
2028 - Auckland, New Zealand
2032 - Moscow, Russia
2036 - Osaka, Japan
2040 - Nairobi, Kenya
2044 - Motreal, Canada
2048 - Buenos Ares, Argentina
2052 - Chicago, United States of America
2056 - Melbourne, Australia (FIRST CITY EVER TO HAVE 100 YEARS APART)
2060 -Shanghai, China
2064 - KL, Malaysia
2068 - Cape Town - SA
2072 - Glasgow - Scotland
2076 - Perth, Australia
2080 - Pheonix, United States of America
2084 - Oslo, Norway
2088 - Athens - Greece
2092 - Hyberdad, India
2096 - Rabat - Morrocco
2100 - Sydney, Australia (100 years on)

That's was fun!

No athens in 2044 and 2096
Nairobi, Kenya before Cape Town - SA Cape town is the Best city in africa. Nairobi has 1.5million in the slums, Right now Rio de Janeiro, Brazil has 1 million people in the slums by 2016 their will be only 5,000 in poverty.
Kenya has 30billion US Dollers the Olympics cost 20 billion dollers.
Madrid, Spain is not bidding fore the 2020 games
Whers is brisbane will host the 2024 olympics
Pheonix is to hot.
This is the worst list that i have ever seen.:bash::bash::bash:

^^ Rio with 5,000 in poverty by 2016? How do you get a figure of a couple of 100,000 in poverty down to 5,000 by 2016? How do you expect to get the million figure down to a couple of 10,000 by the 2014 World Cup?

Brazil acknowledges it's great economic divide and that there are millions of people in poverty, but don't expect to have the situation improved by the time they host such events like the World Cup and 2016 Olympics. The economic benefits from such events will help the economy and might improve the overall situation, but one can not expect such poverty figures to decrease dramatically by 2014 or 2016.

Please, spell correctly before more people think your stupid. Oh, that's right, plenty of people already do. :bash:

Once place that comes to mind with hosting in the future is Oslo Norway as they have heaps of oil up there and not sharing it and if they do $$$ right away to pull it off.

Matthew Lowry, you said you were 16. Now, seriously, how old are you?

No athens in 2044 and 2096
Nairobi, Kenya before Cape Town - SA Cape town is the Best city in africa. Nairobi has 1.5million in the slums, Right now Rio de Janeiro, Brazil has 1 million people in the slums by 2016 their will be only 5,000 in poverty.
Kenya has 30billion US Dollers the Olympics cost 20 billion dollers.
Madrid, Spain is not bidding fore the 2020 games
Whers is brisbane will host the 2024 olympics
Pheonix is to hot.
This is the worst list that i have ever seen.:bash::bash::bash:

I respect your views and all but this was my list.

I know Cape Town is but Kenya have 2030 view where they'll be a first class country and I think the IOC may see this and help Kenya? How'd you work the poverty out btw? :lol:
Madrid it said in the poll it was. :P
Brisbane I don't think is right to host the Olympic games. I'd much rather see Perth have it.
Pheonix yes is hot but I think will be capable. And all athletes should be able to compete in all environments.

No athens in 2044 and 2096
Nairobi, Kenya before Cape Town - SA Cape town is the Best city in africa. Nairobi has 1.5million in the slums, Right now Rio de Janeiro, Brazil has 1 million people in the slums by 2016 their will be only 5,000 in poverty.
Kenya has 30billion US Dollers the Olympics cost 20 billion dollers.
Madrid, Spain is not bidding fore the 2020 games
Whers is brisbane will host the 2024 olympics
Pheonix is to hot.
This is the worst list that i have ever seen.:bash::bash::bash:
Seriously, just quit being a fool.

Oh and Athens, or Grecce maybe Theso but I'm not sure.

Well english was'nt my frist language i come from Germany i moved to Australia in March 2008 SO GIVE ME A BRAKE LORD DAVID

Give us a break! You can always use spell checkers you know. Besides, your annoying us more with these silly lists.

There's nothing wrong with your first language being Deustch and English being second. It's just that if you want to be considered here seriously, then proper spelling would vastly help in that.

I reckon by the end of the century 5 new countries after 2016 that are new to hosting and have never hosted a winter games...

[QUOTE=Matthew Lowry;52211819]
Madrid, Spain is not bidding fore the 2020 games
[QUOTE]

Are you talking with somebody of Madrid about that? 'cause in Spain nobody knows about that ¬¬

I have read a lot of what ommen for cities! Whoever knows and knows the IOC to Rio not another European country comes true London 2012! There is a rotation Europe, America, Asia or Australia! I think it's great now, although Africa would come in but there are many problems there as Finaz, security, infrastructure, stability in the country.There once was a true exception to the Athens 2004! The 100-year celebration of the Olympics to the astonishment of many will not take place in Athens but in Atlanta.

Someone writes in Dubai, it is too hot? Just for info
Doha auditioned to be the first city in the Arab world to host the Olympic Games - the local organizing committee that were 86 percent of the population behind the application. Due to the high temperatures in the Persian Gulf during the summer months, the Games in Doha, 14 had only to 30 October 2016 can be implemented. 2006, there were the Asian Games held in the emirate.

http://grhomeboy.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/23-03-08_olympic_flame_lighting_ceremony.jpg

Does the summer but you play in the past!

| Moskau 1980 | Los Angeles 1984 | Seoul 1988 | Barcelona 1992 | Atlanta 1996 | Sydney 2000 | Athen 2004 | Peking 2008 | London 2012 | Rio de Janeiro 2016|Asia or Australia or Afrika 2020!!!!!


(sorry for my bad english)

tokyo 2020,kuala lumpur2020

^^ Now first of all how, can you have two hosts for 2020? Or are they just the bidders? Even that said, Kuala Lumpur has stated that it will not bid for 2020, until it becomes more of a sports powerhouse.

Only city I seen in the Olympic Games Bids website that is goin for it so far is Rome.

Tokyo Planned olympic stadia. has a capacity of 100,000 but i think it;s need bigger for a city has 35million it should have a capacity of 160,000

^^ Tokyo has 35 million? That's news to me! :P

100,000 is fine, it doesn't need a 160,000 white elephant.

Funny, stupid lists :lol:

If KL hosts the 2020 Olympic, it only can held in the Bukit Jalil Complex that is usually built for Commenwealth because we shouldn't use too much money for the Olympic or we will face financial problem just like one of the Olympics (I forgot what city).

Matthew, You should work for International Olympic Committee! :yes: :cheers:

Tokyo Planned olympic stadia. has a capacity of 100,000 but i think it;s need bigger for a city has 35million it should have a capacity of 160,000

By that logic, China should have built a 500,000 capacity stadium because it is a nation of 1.3 billion.

Recently rebuffed in its attempt to hold the 2016 Summer Games in Chicago, the U.S. Olympic Committee does not plan to enter a U.S. city in the race for the 2020 Summer Games and remains uncertain about when it will next attempt to bring a Games to U.S. soil, USOC Chief Executive Scott Blackmun said Saturday morning.

"The cold and hard reality is Chicago spent approximately $80 million on its bid," Blackmun said. "It's going to be difficult to get U.S. cities to continue to invest to that level unless they think they have a realistic chance of winning. The [International Olympic Committee] sent us a message, loud and clear, that they don't want the Games to be in the United States."

Blackmun also said, "Unless we get some signs from the IOC, I think it's highly unlikely we would mount a bid on our own initiative."

That would ensure at least 20 years between Olympics on home soil. The last U.S. Games took place in Salt Lake City in 2002....

The USOC already missed the deadline to enter a city in the field for the 2018 Winter Games; it would have to have a city ready by the next year if it wanted to contend for the 2020 Summer Games.

"There are a couple of cities interested in the Winter Games, I'm not aware of any cities pounding on the door about the Summer Games," Probst said.

^^Comes as no surprise, really. The USOC just needed to finally make it official.

Certainly does away (or should anyway) all the silly talk from cities (& their pom pom cheerleaders) like Birmingham, Minneapolis, Tulsa & others like them about wanting to mount a fruitless 'Olympic bid'.

The geopolitics just don't favor the U.S. at this time.

"The cold and hard reality is Chicago spent approximately $80 million on its bid," Blackmun said. "It's going to be difficult to get U.S. cities to continue to invest to that level unless they think they have a realistic chance of winning. The [International Olympic Committee] sent us a message, loud and clear, that they don't want the Games to be in the United States."
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I am sure the IOC will not appreciate being called out like that regardless if the allegation is true or not. Meh, oh well.

My thought as well. Very blunt analysis, and possibly an oversimplification. A shock first round exit, yes, but 2016 was about the IOC wanting Rio more than it was about them not wanting Chicago. That quote comes across as very defeatist and rather arrogant, as if they're the first city to have suffered a first round exit. They could've made this announcement in a different way.

Do we think this is the right interpretation? Is this over-simplifying things? Even if it is true, can it be extrapolated beyond the 2016 race (maybe the IOC didn't want the US for 2016 because the wanted Rio, but would be more open in future races)? Even if it can be extrapolated, is this a wise thing to come out and say so bluntly?

Lots of questions come from this quote. It's almost un-American in its attitude in some ways.

I believe it has nothing to do with IOC "not favouring USA" but "favouring new frontiers". Even European cities lost in the race, so US can't say that. Somebody had to exit in the first round and it was Chicago, as simple as that. With many countries getting ready to host Olympics for the first time, it's obvious that IOC will prefer such countries over those which have hosted multiple times (and obviously the new frontiers have to prove themselves capable of hosting the event. Just being a new frontier won't suffice).

Could it be 'oversimplifying' the quote?

It certainly doesn't/didn't help that the 2 other cities in the race got much farther when it seemed that the geopolitical factors weren't in their favor at all. Perception is everything, & whether it's right or wrong, it's still there.

Well, they didn't get much further in any real sense. They'll be hosting just as many Olympics as Chicago in 2016. When I asked, is it oversimplifying things, I meant is it really the case the IOC don't want a US Olympics? The US' poor showing of votes could just as easily be put down to a collective belief that Chicago would pass the first round easily, for example. I think the truth of Chicago's exit is a messy one, just as most Olympic bid losses are.

Rio missed the shortlist in 2012 and won 2016. Moscow went out in the first round in 2012 and Russia went on to get the winter games in 2014. The UK had two Manchester bids and a Birmingham bid rejected prior to winning London 2012. Beijing lost out to Sydney for 2000. None of these countries, as far as I'm aware, came out and said after their defeats "the IOC isn't interested in a Games in our country". Quite the contrary.

Well, again, perception is everything.

Birmingham & Manchester aren't really global cities like London is, Moscow was expected to be out first for 2012, & Beijing lost to Sydney for 2000 by just a mere 2 votes.

Had Chicago, for example, lost by 2 votes to Rio like Beijing did to Sydney, the 'perception' of the whole vote would've been very different & not appeared as 'defeatist & arrogant', & instead of the USOC saying that they're not going after 2020, we most likely be seeing the opposite & they'd be preparing for another bid instead.

Again, whether it's right or wrong, that perception of defeatist & arrogance is still there because of that first round exit, even though geopolitical, the odds were at least in favor of the American bid vs the other 2 remaining ones.

I think its Mr. Bach who always tells the bidders that "there is no silver and bronze in this race"

My thought as well. Very blunt analysis, and possibly an oversimplification. A shock first round exit, yes, but 2016 was about the IOC wanting Rio more than it was about them not wanting Chicago. That quote comes across as very defeatist and rather arrogant, as if they're the first city to have suffered a first round exit. They could've made this announcement in a different way.
Do we think this is the right interpretation? Is this over-simplifying things? Even if it is true, can it be extrapolated beyond the 2016 race (maybe the IOC didn't want the US for 2016 because the wanted Rio, but would be more open in future races)? Even if it can be extrapolated, is this a wise thing to come out and say so bluntly?
Lots of questions come from this quote. It's almost un-American in its attitude in some ways.
Well, I think the 2016 race was most about wanting to go to Rio as opposed to denying Madrid/Chicago/Tokyo. I think it is more a case of the forth place finish despite what the USOC estimated was a very good and competitive bid. Was it Chicago's right to be second or third? No, especially given that Madrid and Tokyo are terrific cities who also had good bids but it was still nonetheless a surprise and interpretation that the rejection went beyond deficiencies in the bid and was denied substantially by politics.

I think in principle he is right though in not putting forth a bid. Until there is better relations between the USOC/IOC in tandem with the abhorrent cost of bids I think it is wise to not have US cities throwing tens of millions down the incinerator.

I think they're right in not putting forward a bid as well. I don't think relations between the US and the IOC are fantastic at the moment, and by questioning the quote I'm by no means saying everything is fine and that Chicago's exit was purely bad luck (although, as I've said, I think it's also more complex than saying the IOC doesn't want the US outright).

But I don't think calling out the IOC in the way he has is the best way to announce to that there'll be no bid.

I think its Mr. Bach who always tells the bidders that "there is no silver and bronze in this race"

And Jacques Rogge said that Rio won solely on merit. Neither here nor there.

Athens was runner-up for 1996 & went on to win 2004. Beijing lost by 2 votes for 2000 & went on to win by a landslide the 2008 Games. Istanbul has always done poorly in the votes, & don't look like they're anywhere close to clinching it at the moment.

So Thomas Bach might want to reevaluate his analogy.

Australia also lost out twice before Sydney.

Ive been studing about south Africa alot in the past 5days and i did not like the fact. Did you Know that 7.2million people in SA have Aids/ HIV thats 15% percent of the poulation and 24 million live in poverty thats 50% percent of the poulation. South Africa has a high rate of murders, assaults, rapes, and other crimes compared to most countries. Many emigrants from South Africa state that crime was a big factor in their decision to leave. South Africa also has a bad record for car hijackings when compared to industrialised countries largely associated with the lower rate of car ownership. One South African insurance company, Hollard Insurance, no longer insures Volkswagen Citi Golfs as they are one of the most frequently hijacked vehicles in South Africa. In some areas there are road signs that indicate a high car-jack zone.
According to a survey for the period 1998–2000 compiled by the United Nations, South Africa was ranked first for rapes per capita. One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year. More than 25 per cent of South African men questioned in a survey published by the Medical Research Council (MRC) in June 2009 admitted to raping someone; of those, nearly half said they had raped more than one person. Three out of four who admitted rape attacked for the first time during their teens.
South Africa has some of the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world.
Their HDI is 0.683 by 2028 it will be 0.760
Travel Warning. DONT GO TO SOUTH AFRICA BY YOURSELF OR AT ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO THE FIFA WORLD CUP THIS YEAR GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW.

IOC list from 2020 to 2044
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Cape Town, South Africa
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece

My list
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Brisbane, Australia
2028 Moscow, Russia. Will host the 2018 Youth Summer Olympics
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Bangkok, Thailand. Will host the 2022 Youth Summer Olympics
2040 Nairobi, Kenya. 1st in Africa
2044 Athens, Greece

You'd better write FIFA a letter, quicksmart, and get them to change the 2010 host then!! :D

LMAO :banana:

He's hit a new level of idiocy.

OMG I forgot to lock myself in my panic room, brb!

He is eying the coveted "troll of the year" award.

Travel Warning. DONT GO TO SOUTH AFRICA BY YOURSELF OR AT ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO THE FIFA WORLD CUP THIS YEAR GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW.


Oops. You forgot to warn the 9 million tourists who visited last year.

Better stop the 100+ internatinal conferences planned over the next few years too.

Oh wait, cancel the cricket world cup, rugby world cup, confederations cup and every other successful sporting event we've hosted.

I'll tolerate any list you have but if you're trying to start some random campaign against any country then its cheers for you.

OMG Matthew you are getting worse each time you post something!!! Next thing you are gonna say is London can't host the games cos their roses aint red enough and Charles and Camilla's affair years ago will tarnish England's image....

He keeps trying to send me message saying he know where and when all the olympics are going to be help.

It's official. The U.S won't put forward a candidate city for the 2020 Olympics. Looks like the SOG will go back to Europe or Asia in 2020.

^^ Indeed, we were discussing this on the previous page till Matthew decided to rehijack the thread. I wouldn't necessarily rule out South Africa if the world cup is a massive succes this year either.

^^ Secondcity, you know, there is more to the world than the U.S, Europe and Asia...

I personally think SA has a great chance soon, but 2020 might be too soon for them. I know Durban has better weather, but Cape Town has the higher profile and we've seen how that works in a country's favour. IMO 2020 will go to Asia, although i really wouldn't be surprised if Madrid or Paris bid again and finally win.

http://www.morethanthegames.co.uk/summer-sports/229304-america-not-put-forward-host-city-2020-olympics
America not to put forward host city for 2020 Olympics
THE USA will not be bidding for the 2020 Olympic Games after being snubbed twice in eight years by the International Olympic Committee.

Chicago's bid was the first to be eliminated in the 2016 voting in Copenhagen last October while New York was beaten by London for the 2012 Games.

With Chicago spending $80m (about £52m) on its bid as well pulling out all the stops with a guest appearance from President Barack Obama as voting was about to get underway, the US Olympic Committee (USOC) believe the IOC just do not want the Olympics to be held in the US.

"We don't have to look much further than what happened in the last two bid races," said USOC spokesman Patrick Sandusky.

"We have to focus our attention elsewhere. It may mean developing stronger relationships with the IOC or having time to do other things.

"At this time there's certainly no plans for 2020. Right now our focus is on other things, not just bidding."

Relations between the USOC and IOC have been strained in recent years over plans to restructure a television and sponsor contract between the two which is largely seen to be in America's favour.

At present, the USOC receives 12.75 percent of Olympic television rights fees and 20 percent of global marketing revenues - because of the involvement of US companies - in an open-ended contract.

The IOC generates more than half of its revenues from television rights and deals with the USA. These tend to be worth more than the rest of the world combined.

But the fact that the USOC receives a larger cut than the rest of the world put together is a sore point among IOC members and tensions spilled over when Chicago were the first bid to be eliminated last year.

"The cold and hard reality is Chicago spent approximately $80 million on its bid and it's going to be difficult to get U.S. cities to continue to invest to that level unless they think they have a realistic chance of winning," added USOC Chief Executive Scott Blackmun.

"The IOC sent us a message, loud and clear, that they don't want the Games to be in the United States.

"Unless we get some signs from the IOC, I think it's highly unlikely we would mount a bid on our own initiative."

I don't think the Olympics will return to the US at least until 2028.

What signs do we think they're hoping to get from the IOC?! All bids know the risks going in and Chicago wasn't the only city to lose last October. The fact that they went out first is by the by when you consider how strong the other losing bids were.

The 'problem' the US has, apart from strained relations with the IOC, is that all their bids rely heavily on private funding. If that evapourates because of a perceived feeling, rightly or wrongly, of being hard done by the IOC, then cities won't be able to afford to bid.

I really hope the US comes back into the fold for 2024. I supported Chicago for 2016 and would like to see another strong showing from the US.

Don't get your hopes up just because Brazil did it.
They are one of the worlds fastest growing economies. SA is not.

I will love to see the Olympics in Los Angeles in 2032 theirs so many things to do.
and the Smog in LA will be gone by 2027.

Tourism

Due to L.A.'s stance as the "Entertainment Capital of the World", there is an abundance of attractions here. Consequently, the Greater L.A. Area is one of the most visited areas in the world. Here is a breakdown of some of its major attractions:
Theme parks
Sleeping Beauty Castle at Disneyland Park

* Disneyland
* Disney's California Adventure
* Knott's Berry Farm
* Pacific Park
* Six Flags Magic Mountain
* Universal Studios Hollywood

Beaches
Laguna Beach coastline is popular for sunbathers

* Malibu
* Venice Beach
* Huntington Beach
* Laguna Beach
* Dana Point
* Sunset Beach
* Bolsa Chica State Beach
* Newport Beach
* Manhattan Beach
* Hermosa Beach
* Redondo Beach
* San Clemente
* Santa Monica

Shopping
Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills

* Americana at Brand
* Bella Terra
* Beverly Center
* The Block at Orange
* Cerritos Auto Square
* Cerritos Towne Center
* Downtown Disney
* Fashion Island
* Glendale Galleria
* The Grove at Farmer's Market
* Hollywood and Highland
* Irvine Spectrum Center
* Los Cerritos Center
* Old Pasadena
* Ontario Mills
* Paseo Colorado
* Rodeo Drive
* South Coast Plaza
* Third Street Promenade
* Universal CityWalk
* Valencia Town Center
* Victoria Gardens
* Westfield Century City
* Westfield MainPlace
* Westfield Santa Anita
* Westfield Topanga
* Westside Pavilion

Motion picture studios
Warner Brothers Studios in the San Fernando Valley

* CBS Television City
* CBS Studio Center
* CBS Columbia Square
* Charlie Chaplin Studios
* Ren-Mar Studios
* Paramount Studios
* NBC Studios
* Walt Disney Studios
* Golden Oak Ranch
* Hollywood Center Studios
* Universal Studios
* The Prospect Studios
* Metromedia Square
* Santa Clarita Studios
* Nestor Studios
* 20th Century Fox
* Sony Pictures Entertainment
* Fox Television Center
* Nickelodeon Animation Studios
* Sunset Gower Studios
* Downey Studios
* Warner Brothers Studios

Waterparks

* Raging Waters
* Knott's Soak City USA
* Six Flags Hurricane Harbor
* Wild Rivers

Zoos and aquariums
Los Angeles Zoo

* Los Angeles Zoo
* Santa Ana Zoo
* Aquarium of the Pacific

Nightlife

* Hollywood
* West Hollywood
* Sunset Strip
* Santa Monica
* Huntington Beach

Museums

See also, Los Angeles City Museums
The Getty Center sits on a hill overlooking Los Angeles

* Bowers Museum
* Heritage Square Museum
* California Science Center
* Discovery Science Center
* Getty Center
* Getty Villa
* Griffith Observatory
* Huntington Library
* La Brea Tar Pits
* Los Angeles County Museum of Art
* Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County
* Norton Simon Museum
* Kidspace Children's Museum
* Museum of Contemporary Art, Los Angeles
* Museum of Latin American Art
* Museum of Tolerance
* Petersen Automotive Museum
* Toyota USA Automobile Museum

Presidential Museums

* Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum. Richard Nixon open the 1960 winter olympics in Squaw Valley
* Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. Ronald Reagan My Fav US President and He open the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

Other

* Queen Mary
* Mission Inn

Don't get your hopes up just because Brazil did it.
They are one of the worlds fastest growing economies. SA is not.

South Africa is classified as one of the world's emerging markets, along with India, Brazil etc. despite economic size and growth being smaller than the two countries in question.


Regardless, if the necessary infrastructure is there, the international appeal value, the bid is well-supported bid and it is combined with the fact that an African Olympics would be a first, a great African bid could very well win it.

I mean if Cape Town came third back for our 2004 Olympic bid with pre-World Cup infrastructure, by building on that legacy we'd have a pretty good chance of clinging it.

Don't get your hopes up just because Brazil did it.
They are one of the worlds fastest growing economies. SA is not.

These days SA is being counted along with BRIC nations. It is also a growing economy with good infrastructure. Anyways even Brazil is not witnessing exceptional growth rates, it's a clear outlier in BRIC. If Brazil can do it, then SA can also do it in near future.

London is preparing for the Games during a recession, lets not get all high and mighty with our "growing economies".

The point isn't whether an economy is growing or not, but whether it's capable or not. The UK economy until recently has been shrinking but it's shrinking from a high base and is one of the biggest in the world so the Olympics are easily doable. Whereas Mongolia has a 9% growth rate, one of the highest in the world but you wouldn't dream of sending the Games there!

If South Africa pull off a great world cup and put together a satisfactory bid that may well be good enough, as Rio proved. Or it may not be. It all depends whether the IOC are willing to risk two new frontiers in a row or not.

It's a weird situation actually. If they are enamoured by the idea of Africa a less than excellent bid may be good enough for South Africa to win. If two new frontiers in a row is seen as too big a risk, even a technically outstanding bid mightn't be good enough, however.

and...the spending to prepare for the Games has been a boost for the UK during these tough economic times.

Yes, that's certainly arguable, though I doubt if we'd bid during a recession that argument would have done down too well with the IOC :D And it's not as though it hasn't brought problems for London either; the village which during the bid was to be 100% privately funded is now 100% publically funded.

The Chicago bid, of course, was rejected during the recession in the US, and that could've been a factor in their defeat. The huge government guarantees offered by Rio only compounded the fact that private funding, relied upon by Chicago, was a more risky option than usual for a US bid because of the economic climate.

London and Vancouver were preparing and hosting in the global recession, and Chicago and Rio were bidding during it. The economic climate arguably had an impact on all four's fortunes. The 2020 race and the cities involved in it really oughtn't be affected however. The host won't be chosen till 2013, and by then we should be well out of the recession.

Los Angeles again would be so boring!!

For me, the olympics must go in the future for those cities:

Cape Town
Istanbul
Toronto
Buenos Aires
San Francisco
Budapest
Cairo

These days SA is being counted along with BRIC nations. It is also a growing economy with good infrastructure. Anyways even Brazil is not witnessing exceptional growth rates, it's a clear outlier in BRIC. If Brazil can do it, then SA can also do it in near future.

Simply because Brazil already industrialized since 80s, when China and India had an economy based in agriculture.

The host won't be chosen till 2013, and by then we should be well out of the recession.

We hope.

It does give more meaning to the government guarantees the IOC requires.

I've forgotten if the IOC requires government to underwrite shortfalls on the OV? or if it only applies to the OCOG budget.

What signs do we think they're hoping to get from the IOC?!


Perhaps the same kind of signs that Beijing got, by His Excellency himself, after their 2000 loss. :tongue2:

I hope the IOC is paying close attention to what the USOC is saying. Billions in endorsements, TV contracts and other revenue comes from the US participation in the games. The IOC can make some of it up elsewhere but why say no to the low-hanging fruit? There has to be a way around governments that won't guarantee Olympic funding...

What signs do we think they're hoping to get from the IOC?! All bids know the risks going in and Chicago wasn't the only city to lose last October. The fact that they went out first is by the by when you consider how strong the other losing bids were.

The 'problem' the US has, apart from strained relations with the IOC, is that all their bids rely heavily on private funding. If that evapourates because of a perceived feeling, rightly or wrongly, of being hard done by the IOC, then cities won't be able to afford to bid.

I really hope the US comes back into the fold for 2024. I supported Chicago for 2016 and would like to see another strong showing from the US.

Perhaps the USOC heads are concluding it is largely geo-political or internal Olympic politics because they are not really being told by the IOC a real identifiable reason of what exactly was deficient in the bid that can be pointed to as a defacto reason for failure. If it was for example a lackluster presentation, lack of legacy venues, not NYC, USOC-IOC relations, or too dependant on private entities etc. it hasn't been singled out as the reason. Perhaps it wasn't any primary reason at all and was an accumulation of a variable cross section of small deficiencies that can't be pinpointed.

Or perhaps they playing the victim in order to mask their own failings (if so a rather bad move) and they have been told a concrete reason(s) why the bid they put forth was so unexpectedly unchallenging. No reasons really have leaked though publicly like you think they would if people in the know were told so and I'm guessing there has been plenty of prodding to figure out in what precise ways the bid wasn't deemed to match up among the voters.

If the reason isn't really being substantively explained internally I could see how it could result in a looking at the political angle for a explanation.

Los Angeles again would be so boring!!

For me, the olympics must go in the future for those cities:

Cape Town
Istanbul
Toronto
Buenos Aires
San Francisco
Budapest
Cairo

I would agree that I would like to see a Cape Town, Istanbul, San Fran, and Buenos Aires games within my lifetime.

Cairo, Toronto, and Budapest not so much (though I wouldn't be against any of those hosting by any measure).

I'd love to see the games in Morrocco. It'd be more interesting than SA tbh.

I've just read on german teletext that Madrid will bid for 200 or 2024

I think done the final maths and tall to 93 IOCmembers and 45 IOC staff
Cape Town need to get rid of the townships, have better transport and better airport and More theme and water parks to get the young people age 10 to 25 to go their
and Cape Town is getting safer but sill long way to go and i got a friend in cape town and he says africa still got a long way to go 2020s he said lit bit to soon for africa by by 2036 it will be in Cape Town, South Africa 1st in africa

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Cape Town, South Africa
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece

Cape Town need to get rid of the townships, have better transport and better airport and More theme and water parks to get the young people age 10 to 25 to go their
and Cape Town is getting safer but sill long way to go and i got a friend in cape town and he says africa still got a long way to go 2020s he said lit bit to soon for africa by by 2036 it will be in Cape Town, South Africa 1st in africa

Ignorance is bliss :lol:

1. Cape Town need to get rid of the townships

2. have better transport and
3. better airport and
4. More theme and water parks



Not sure why I'm bothering...

1. Cape Town: Urban Renewal Programme (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=531108)
# Central Cape Town Renewal (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=503141)
Upgrading all informal settlements (http://www.mg.co.za/article/2007-05-23-cape-town-unveils-housingupgrade-plan)

2. R14 billion investment due to 2010
#Cape Town IRT System (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=768440) : http://www.capetown.gov.za/EN/IRT/Pages/Gallery.aspx
#Cape Town Station Redevelopment (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=441508)
Cape Town - Public Transport (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=437472)
Cape Town - Road Developments (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=647239)
#City Wide NMT Projects - Cape Town (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=918996)
#Cape Town Transport Management Centre - 6F - Goodwood (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=739210)
#Cape Town Harbour - Port Expansion (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=528903)
#Public Transport Shared Services Centre - 7F - Cape Town (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=823958)

3. Airport Capacity now doubled, new private airport complete (several awards for Best Airport in Africa)
#Cape Town International Airport - 2010 Expansion (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=415745)
#ExecuJet Private Airport - Cape Town (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=705690)

4. Major theme park already in existence, City welcomes 1.7 million tourists annually
Ratanga Junction | Function Venues | Theme Park (http://www.ratanga.co.za/)


#V&A Waterfront Updates (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=393361)

http://www.chrisjacobs.co.za/downloads/flyafrica/aerial/IMG_5561_p1.jpg

2020 Istanbul / Cape Town
2024 Cape Town / Istanbul

if IOC gonna choose again once hosted city again.. i become more curious about their "universal olympic spirit"

I'd love to see the games in Morrocco. It'd be more interesting than SA tbh.

Not really. If it was Egypt, yeah. That would be amazing. But Morocco? Nah. South Africa would also be amazing, tbh.

Not sure why I'm bothering...

He got you trapped in his BS :lol:

Is this more real list
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Dubai, UAE
2052 New York City
2056 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2060 Perth, Australia

Athens had 2004, Australia in 2000. Only in Europe there is plenty cities like Athens that want to host Olimpics... jeez... :doh:

Is this more real list
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Dubai, UAE
2052 New York City
2056 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2060 Perth, Australia

No, it isn't. Please give up on Brisbane, Perth and Bangkoc, not gonna happen. The IOC is not obligued to come back to Athens every 50 years.

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy
2040 Dubai, UAE
2044 Toronto, Canada
2048 Moscow, Russia
2052 New York City, USA
2056 Melbonrne, Australia
2060 Rio de Janerio, Brazil

To come to think about Perth, Western Australia, Australia is a very very very boring city it like liveing in a contry town NOTHEN TO DO IN PERTH. BRISBANE, SYDNEY AND MELBOUNRNE IS NICE and Perth is to Hot.

^Hey! you can only bad mouth Perth if you come from Perth;)

But seriously Perth's a little too layed back for the fast paced excitment many are accustomed too. It's slowly changing but the old brigade is still pretty strong but they will be long dead by the time the city looks into host an Olympics. It's a wealthy growing city with much potential rather than being ruined.

...but yeah, its pretty suburban and boring, nothing a few roits and murders won't fix;)

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy
2040 Dubai, UAE
2044 Toronto, Canada
2048 Moscow, Russia
2052 New York City, USA
2056 Melbonrne, Australia
2060 Rio de Janerio, Brazil

To come to think about Perth, Western Australia, Australia is a very very very boring city it like liveing in a contry town NOTHEN TO DO IN PERTH. BRISBANE, SYDNEY AND MELBOUNRNE IS NICE and Perth is to Hot.

Then why suggest them at first? Brisbane does have the edge on Perth, but Perth does have some benefits. Hosting the games in September, which is most likely means that it's not that hot in Perth.

Also, Perth has the benefit of getting a 70,000 seater AFL/Olympic size stadium out of a future Olympics.

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Toronto, Canada / New York City, USA / Washington, D.C., USA
2032 Rome, italy / Lesbon, Portugal / Madrid, Spain / Istanbul, Turkey
2036 Dubai, UAE / Doha, Qutar / Teheran, Iran
2040 Bogotá or Medellín, Colombia / Lima, Perú
2044 Moscow, Russia
2048 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia / Manila, Philipines / Yakarta, Indonesia
2052 Mumbai or Delhi, india
2056 Sydney or Melbourne / Australia
2060 Rio de Janerio, Sao Paulo, Brazil / Buenos Aires, Argentina / Santiago, Chile

Europe's next Games will be much sooner than 2032! That'll be four in a row outside Europe.

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Cape Town, South Africa
2028 Toronto, Canada / New York City, USA / Washington, D.C., USA
2032 Rome, italy / Lesbon, Portugal / Madrid, Spain / Istanbul, Turkey
2036 Dubai, UAE / Doha, Qutar / Teheran, Iran
2040 Bogotá or Medellín, Colombia / Lima, Perú
2044 Moscow, Russia
2048 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia / Manila, Philipines / Yakarta, Indonesia
2052 Mumbai or Delhi, india
2056 Sydney or Melbourne / Australia
2060 Rio de Janerio, Sao Paulo, Brazil / Buenos Aires, Argentina / Santiago, Chile

Just some observations:

Tokyo again? I say try Hiroshima, the much smaller population could work in it's favor. Just need an upgrade of their Asian Games stadium to 80,000 at the least, the site could work as an Olympic Park. Nagasaki will host football preliminaries as will the capital.

Tehran will never get it anytime soon thanks to it's current Islamic "regime". This is due to the fact that the IOC would probably not risk the potential boycotts and the possible "sexist" games, where women and men compete in separate arenas and such.
But don't be surprised if they try out for a winter games, they have the mountain ski resorts for it.

Colombia is a no chance, so is Lima, not without valuable Pan American Games experience at least.

Don't expect another Sydney, it's either Melbourne or Brisbane, and much sooner.

Why Rio for 2060? They're already hosting 2016, doubt Brazil would want to try again, unless of course Rio is a complete success.

Thinking back in 2000 how many of us knew London was gonna host for the third time and Rio would finally get them? Its too early to tell.

I read brisbane and perth plains to host the 2028 olympics Brisbane will host the games From olympics 22/9 to 8/10/2028 Paralympics 25/10 to 5/11/2028
Perth far to late olympics 10-26/11/2028 Paralympics 6-17/12/2028
Kevin Rudd will be still PM until 2030 He will give the 20billion to Brisbane and brisbane will get the next olympics and the IOC will give to the olympics to oceaina every 28 years now oceaina won't have to wait every 44 years not in the new age of the IOC
And when i talk to the IOC members in vancover they said europe wont get the summer olympic untill 2036 in Rome, Italy
Brisbane will build a 125,000 seater sadia
Perth will build a small 70,000 seater sadia

And i can bad move perth becouse i lived their from 2003 to 2009 for work
its a crap city it will never host the olympics
i live in Queensland much better

1956 Melbourne
2000 Sydney
2028 Brisbane
2056 Melbourne
2084 Brisbane
2112 Sydney

Australia is way too small tyo be getting the Games that often. Even the US would have to go some to pull that off Matthew.

Did he say 20 billion? It won't cost 20 billion to host another Australian Olympics considering half the stuff is already there, I'd say 10 billion tops for Brisbane if they want to go all out in general infrastructure and sporting infrastructure improvements, whilst Melbourne could easily do it for say 5 billion.

20 billion is a ridiculous figure, we don't want to go all out like Beijing, nor do we lack infrastructure that would warrant such a high bill.

Guadalajara or Monterrey will not be ready until at least 2028.
2020 games will go to Asia or USA.

I read brisbane and perth plains to host the 2028 olympics Brisbane will host the games From olympics 22/9 to 8/10/2028 Paralympics 25/10 to 5/11/2028
Perth far to late olympics 10-26/11/2028 Paralympics 6-17/12/2028
Kevin Rudd will be still PM until 2030 He will give the 20billion to Brisbane and brisbane will get the next olympics and the IOC will give to the olympics to oceaina every 28 years now oceaina won't have to wait every 44 years not in the new age of the IOC
And when i talk to the IOC members in vancover they said europe wont get the summer olympic untill 2036 in Rome, Italy
Brisbane will build a 125,000 seater sadia
Perth will build a small 70,000 seater sadia

And i can bad move perth becouse i lived their from 2003 to 2009 for work
its a crap city it will never host the olympics
i live in Queensland much better

1956 Melbourne
2000 Sydney
2028 Brisbane
2056 Melbourne
2084 Brisbane
2112 Sydney

:wallbash:

Oh, and I don't expect Brisbane to build a 600 million dollar 125,000 seater just to top Sydney. I would expect them to use a heavily renovated Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre at 80,000 to 90,000 tops, which will be downsized to 50,000 or so post Olympics.

>>

Brisbane arn't prepared for the Olympics. The city needs a major overfaul tbh.

India: Success of CWG will project Delhi as sporting destination
25 February 2010
The Financial Daily

New Delhi: With Commonwealth Games just a few months away, Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit today said successful hosting of the event will help the city project itself as a global destination for such sporting extravaganza.

Dikshit, who faced criticism for the city's tardy preparation for the Games, said all efforts are on to make it a "memorable event" so that Delhi could hope to host bigger sporting events in the future.

Indian Olympic Association chief Suresh Kalmadi, who is also chairman of the Organizing Committee of the Commonwealth Games, had said India could bid for the 2020 Olympics.

The Chief Minister was speaking after inaugurating the renovated Talkatora Indoor Stadium which will be the venue for boxing competitions during the Commonwealth Games to be held from October 3 to 14.

Elaborating on various infrastructure development projects, she said the city must seize the opportunity to present itself as "a major destination for the international sporting events."

The Delhi Government has undertaken several key infrastructure development projects as part of its preparation for the mega event. The total cost of the infrastructure projects has been pegged at Rs 15,000 crore.

Describing the dome-shaped arena of the stadium as a unique piece of modern sports architecture, the Chief Minister said the new sports facility block adjacent to the stadium has been built using environment-friendly materials.

Kalmadi was also present on the occasion. The stadium, having a capacity of 2,700 spectators, will also host the Commonwealth Boxing Championships to be held from March 10.

Dikshit said the stadium has been designed and constructed as per international standards.

Officials said a number of environmental-friendly material and energy efficient devices have been used in the sports facility block to make it a green building.

The stadium has been renovated at a total cost of Rs 150 crore.

Olympics: Madrid to bid for 2020 or 2024 Olympics - mayor
23 February 2010
Agence France Presse

Madrid will bid to host the Summer Olympics in 2020 or 2024 after losing out in the race to hold both the 2012 and 2016 Games, the mayor of the Spanish capital, Alberto Ruiz-Gallardon, said on Tuesday.

He said the choice of date would be made after Madrid votes in local elections during the first half of 2011 in which he will stand for re-election.

"The third time will be the charm. Madrid is an Olympic city," he told public television TVE.

Ruiz-Gallardon had said in October 2009 after Madrid was beaten by Rio de Janeiro in the final round of voting by the International Olympic Committee to decide the host of the 2016 Games that a decision on another bid would only be made in 2011.

Five years ago, Madrid lost to London for the 2012 Olympics.

Madrid spent 37.8 million euros in its bid for the 2016 Olympics but it was an outsider given the unspoken rule host cities are rotated between continents.

Ruiz-Gallardon said the city would have to decide if it would be "more intelligent" to bid for the 2020 or the 2024 Olympics.

Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre NO ROOM IDIOT Lord David. Do you use google earth it's right next to Kuraby Cemetery. the olympic park will be in Rocklea

and this is more real list
2020 Toronto, Canada. north america turn last time that Continent host a olympics was in 1996 in atlanta
2024 Tokyo, Japan 60 years anver
2028 Brisbane, Australia 240th year of australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy Europe needs some time off IOC says for summer winter in europe 2014, 2018 and 2030
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Moscow, Russia
2048 Seoul, South Korea
2052 New York City, USA
2056 Melbourne, Australia
2060 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2064 Berlin, Germany
2068 Guadalajara, Mexico
2072 Mumbai, India

I'd love to see the games in NYC, If they got in 4th place last time even when they didn't have an official stadium and with no support, and I think NYC made the cut, because it was NYC. So I think it would be easier if they goverment support them as they did with Chicago.

Matthew if you were any more full of shit you'd come with ya own sewerage system....
and haha at the surname Dikshit :D

also 12 years is the longest Europe goes without a games too and you really think the IOC with alot of Europeans are gonna allow over 20 years and no olympics either summer or winter???

Rio 2060?????
I think Rio de Janeiro will not host another Olympics before São Paulo's turn.

OMG...no vote for RABAT ..that's so discriminating i mean this city would be awesome by 2020!! all i've got to say is viva rabat ...even if i'm not sure that it'll win the bit but ANYWAY...GO MOROCCO GO RABAT!!

Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre NO ROOM IDIOT Lord David. Do you use google earth it's right next to Kuraby Cemetery. the olympic park will be in Rocklea


What about the room? There is room for the upgrade of the stadium, why that was the proposed stadium for Brisbane's 2011 and 2013 IAAF World Athletics bids.

I look at Google Earth and yes, there is potential room, just remove the warm up track, overhaul the existing bowl, and add a tier to each side of the stadium to increase it's capacity to 80,000 (The whole 2 tiers concept would be nicely temporary, each holding say 15,000 each, whilst the main bowl has 50,000).
Turning the bowl to a proper curved one will greatly boost capacity.
It can work, even if there are some limitations in room in place.
All that is needed is proper transport links, I'd say a subway going in that area would be a definite necessity, unless of course a light rail expansion can be developed somehow.

And where did you get this location for a supposed new Olympic Park? Are you part of the supposed bid team? How do you know that the bid team will chose such a site over developing an existing Athletics stadium? Hmm?

I'd love to see the games in NYC, If they got in 4th place last time even when they didn't have an official stadium and with no support, and I think NYC made the cut, because it was NYC.

NYC made the cut because it had a sound technical plan. It was only after they had been shortlisted that their plan started looking shaky with the stadium plan collapsing, for example.

Ah yep, they had to move their Stadium downtown at Manhattan, an unideal choice because it would have brought much more non needed congestion in already congested area.

Also, the proposed retractable roofed stadium would have competed heavily with Madison Square Garden, particularly for concerts, as one can easily sell more tickets at a venue with say 90,000 capacity (concert wise) than a 20,000 venue capacity (Madison Square Garden).

Naturally, NYC's hopes for another Olympic bid is gone after the Giants now have their new stadium, unless of course they decide to build a temporary stadium like Chicago's bid or go London and build a partially temporary stadium. They just need a decent Olympic Park site.

Toronto... :)

^^ Not for 2020, wait for 2024, maybe even do a whole Toronto/Vancouver deal where Toronto bid for 2008, failed then Vancouver went on to bid for 2010 and win.

This time, with Quebec 2022, should that fail, then Toronto 2024. Canada should stick to it's Winter Sports, something it's far better at than Summer Sports.

JUST FOR SOMEONE'S TO KNOW ABOUT BOGOTÁ, COLOMBIA.

THIS WAS MADE FOR BIDDING TO THE PANAM GAMES 2015

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^^ That video is just to show that they can host the Pan American Games, which they can indeed, but lost due to the fact of Altitude mainly and that Toronto had a better Legacy bid etc.

Just because you have several dozen venues doesn't make you capable as an Olympic host, you need an Olympic size stadium and several 5,000 seater minimum arenas for example.

You can propose them yes and will build once you land the games, but simply proposing what you have right now, isn't enough.

My friend is on the bid team for Brisbane

2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Toronto, Canada
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, United States
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Lima, Peru
2048 Bangkok, Thailand
2052 Berlin, Germany
2056 Melbourne, Australia
2060 New York City, United States
2064 São Paulo, Brazil
2068 Mumbai, India

^^ What bid team? There's nothing even official yet! How do you know Australia will even bid for the 2020's anyways...

Just some observations:

Tokyo again? I say try Hiroshima, the much smaller population could work in it's favor. Nagasaki will host football preliminaries as will the capital.


Why not Tokyo again? They're really the only Japanese option that could really pull it off. Even Osaka couldn't land it for '08, so Hiroshima would be up sh!t's creek without a paddle.

The IOC most likely views Japan like the viewed the U.K., nothing short of London sufficed for them (i.e. the failed Manchester & Birmingham bids), & nothing short of Tokyo would do it either. So let's see, chop liver (Hiroshima) versus filet mignon (Tokyo)? That's a no brainer.

And cities with much smaller populations aren't done any favors. Just ask Manchester, Birmingham, Lille, San Juan, Seville, Leipzig, Prague & Bari.

Does nobody bet for Madrid? I believe that these underestimating the capacity of our city.
Sorry for my English.

Bangkok has hosted the Asian Games in 1966, 1970, 1978, and 1998. On February 26, 2010, Bangkok has resolved to nominate to host the 2020 Olympics.
the IOC want to awads the Olympics to South East Asia

2020 Bangkok, Thailand
2024 Toronto, Canada
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Moscow Russia
2040 Tokyo, Japan
2044 Athens, Greece

There's nothing to say that Madrid couldn't host, they can perfectly host. It's just a matter if the IOC is ready for a 3rd Madrid bid, or will there be sympathy votes for Madrid.

Will Madrid be Summer Olympic's failed bidding Paris? Or be comparable to PeyongChang, 3 time bidder, could win or lose.

Madrid came extremely close for 2012, and did way better than expected for 2016. Spain has good connections in the IOC and the Madrid bid has always been technically excellent. If the geopolitics favours Europe (which it didn't for 2016), they just need to find that extra edge, that x-factor, that'll get them over the line before other cities. I'm certainly not ruling out Madrid israelblue, I think given past races it would be foolish to do so.

And yes, regarding Tokyo geoone has said almost exactly what I was going to say. Certain countries will only be taken seriously if their main city is put forward. We've seen that most obviously with the UK (two failed Manchester bids and a failed Birmingham bid followed by a winning London bid). Japan, I would say, is probably in a similar situation; I get the feeling it's Tokyo or bust for them and giving the IOC Hors d'œuvres when they want the main course isn't a good plan.

Does nobody bet for Madrid? I believe that these underestimating the capacity of our city.
Sorry for my English.
I am not sure of its chances but I know my personal preferences. If there is going to be another summer games in Western Europe I would rather see it in France, Germany, or Italy instead of Spain which I have already seen host the games.

And yes, regarding Tokyo geoone has said almost exactly what I was going to say. Certain countries will only be taken seriously if their main city is put forward. We've seen that most obviously with the UK (two failed Manchester bids and a failed Birmingham bid followed by a winning London bid). Japan, I would say, is probably in a similar situation; I get the feeling it's Tokyo or bust for them and giving the IOC Hors d'œuvres when they want the main course isn't a good plan.
Were bid officials in the UK told that they weren't likely to win without a London bid or what a conclusion they came to on their own?

The IOC, of course, is a body of 100+ people from all over the world. Manchester and Birmingham did get votes, so they obviously weren't considered unworthy by every member. I seem to recall one member saying he'd only support London, however, and the fact that London won and the other UK bids didn't suggests he wasn't the only one thinking this way.

-------

I've just googled it and found this from 2002, when a London bid was in its early stages. Austin Sealy, IOC member from Barbados said:


"Manchester has given Britain a glow. They did a marvellous job [hosting the Commonwealth Games]. Manchester could have ended up just as a tea party for the richer members of the Commonwealth, but it showed how such events should be staged.

"Britain's ability to stage events has always been A1."

BUT

"Previous bids by Manchester and Birmingham were not on because they were too small. I've no doubts that London, if it gets its act together, will do a first-class job."

One member's opinion. But the numbers bear it out and I think it's safe to generalise this across much of the IOC's membership.

The fate of bids from Lille, Leipzig, Osaka also show that for most countries, any city but the main city is doomed to failure. America is a little different in that its practically a continent and has many cities which could host, and Barcelona before that was an exception to the rule because of the IOC politics at the time. But generally, if you're not America, you're safest bet seems to be going, if not necessarily for the Capital (Canberra over Sydney would have been unwise), for the city everyone associates with your country.

This was my best list
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, United States
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Lima, Peru
2052 New York City, United States
2056 Melbourne, Australia
2060 Spain

How about you take a break for now?

The fate of bids from Lille, Leipzig, Osaka also show that for most countries, any city but the main city is doomed to failure. America is a little different in that its practically a continent and has many cities which could host, and Barcelona before that was an exception to the rule because of the IOC politics at the time. But generally, if you're not America, you're safest bet seems to be going, if not necessarily for the Capital (Canberra over Sydney would have been unwise), for the city everyone associates with your country.

I definitely tend to agree with your conclusion, I was just wondering if it had ever been explicitly said either overtly or behind the scenes.

this matthew lowry fellow changes his list everytime he takes a pee...

yeah he does and they get more unrealistic too

This was my best list
2020 Tokyo, Japan
2024 Rome, Italy
2028 Brisbane, Australia
2032 Los Angeles, United States
2036 Moscow, Russia
2040 Bangkok, Thailand
2044 Athens, Greece
2048 Lima, Peru
2052 New York City, United States
2056 Melbourne, Australia
2060 Spain

Ok, there you finally did it. You managed to make a country host, not just one of it's cities, but the entire country!

Kraków is planning on bidding for the 2020 Summer Olympics. They made a site and are collecting signatures to be handed over to the Polish Olympic Comittee.

http://www.krakow2020.pl/

^^
That would be interesting :D IMO Krakow is actually more recognizable city than Warsaw, of course is more beautiful than our capital city ;) and don't forget it has a large amount of hotels but I don't know nothing about the venues.... Im wondering where they would build the olympic stadium...anyway seems very promising bid if Krakow will decide. According to this articles if Krakow won't get summer olympics they want to bid for winter olympics. Tatra Mountains are just 100 km away (approximately). I think they should focus on summer olympics tho.

Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre NO ROOM IDIOT Lord David. Do you use google earth it's right next to Kuraby Cemetery. the olympic park will be in Rocklea

and this is more real list
2020 Toronto, Canada. north america turn last time that Continent host a olympics was in 1996 in atlanta
2024 Tokyo, Japan 60 years anver
2028 Brisbane, Australia 240th year of australia
2032 Los Angeles, USA
2036 Rome, Italy Europe needs some time off IOC says for summer winter in europe 2014, 2018 and 2030
2040 Cape Town, South Africa
2044 Moscow, Russia
2048 Seoul, South Korea
2052 New York City, USA
2056 Melbourne, Australia
2060 Rio de Janerio, Brazil
2064 Berlin, Germany
2068 Guadalajara, Mexico
2072 Mumbai, India


^^

I love the 2020 host city!

I definitely tend to agree with your conclusion, I was just wondering if it had ever been explicitly said either overtly or behind the scenes.

Yes, it was definitely stated by the IOC to the BOA several years ago that only London stood the best chance of any British city.

These are the only articles I could find at this time with any mention of that, considering that IOC message was given about 7-8 years ago when the BOA was preparing for their next bid (London 2012).

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/olympics-2012-the-final-countdown-752472.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-131271/Forget-London-best-Olympic-bet.html

So that does strongly suggest to deliver the message that the IOC is mainly interested in the premier cities of respective countries. And that's even more attested by the number of miserably failed bids by other countries putting forth their less than mediocre cities, i.e. Leipzig, Seville & Lille, versus actual gigantic winners in comparison like Beijing, London & Rio. Not to mention the other mammoth cities that have made it to IOC finalist stage like Paris, New York, Moscow & Tokyo.

Kraków is planning on bidding for the 2020 Summer Olympics. They made a site and are collecting signatures to be handed over to the Polish Olympic Comittee.

http://www.krakow2020.pl/

bidding for 2018 or 2022 Winter Olympics in Krakow-Zakopane or a joint bid with Slovakia (Zakopane-Poprad) is MUCH more plausible...

and it is somehow a foregone conclusion that if Summer Olympics happen to be in Poland, Warsaw will be the venue...but I don't think it will be any time soon...

Kraków is planning on bidding for the 2020 Summer Olympics. They made a site and are collecting signatures to be handed over to the Polish Olympic Comittee.

http://www.krakow2020.pl/

They should probably bid for a Winter Games, as Zakopane is nearby, I'd always expect the capital Warsaw to be Poland's first Summer Olympics city.

Matthew if you were any more full of shit you'd come with ya own sewerage system....
and haha at the surname Dikshit :D

It is pronounced with soft D and T, not like how it's written :D

Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre NO ROOM IDIOT Lord David.

You are calling others an idiot !! I mean, YOU !!

They should probably bid for a Winter Games, as Zakopane is nearby, I'd always expect the capital Warsaw to be Poland's first Summer Olympics city.

I was thinking the same thing. Warsaw should bid for the summer games while Kraków should try bidding for the winter games.

Yes Poland should attempt to get a games summer or winter :)

^^ Again with Brisbane they are not going to host! Even if they do bid, they will not win. Rio won't have it again in 2064, and Athens 2044 is just ridiculous.

Another Barcelona before a Madrid? Unlikely.

Lima, Peru? Now who's talking silliness?

Lord are you referring to Matthew or me with Brisbane??? As much as I would love to see them in Brisbane Im at least realistic to know that it will be a very very slim chance it'll ever happen :)

Lord are you referring to Matthew or me with Brisbane??? As much as I would love to see them in Brisbane Im at least realistic to know that it will be a very very slim chance it'll ever happen :)

Hmm... Matt's post seems to be removed, good riddance!

Australian Olympic Committee Opts Out Of Olympic 2024 Bid
Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:44pm EST GB Staff
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There are reports that Australian Olympic Committee head John Coates has ruled out Melbourne or Brisbane bidding for the 2024 Summer Olympic Games. Coates confirmed he had spoken to Sir Rod Eddington and Queensland Premier Anna Bligh about interest held by both cities in hosting the Games, but said 2024 was not an option.
He told SEN Radio Sunday, "a bid can't go forward unless the Australian Olympic Committee agrees. I don't think we would agree to 2024. I just don't think that that's realistic. We'd be wasting government's money".

Coates said Olympic bids cost about $75 million to run and billions more to stage, and any Australian state or territory with that kind of money should instead invest in preparing athletes for upcoming Olympics.

He added, "this is not a matter that is a priority for the Olympic committee. It is not a matter that, other than me reporting on my conversations with the Queensland Government and with Rod Eddington, is going any further that that with us".

It appears according to Coates that Brisbane would be more likely to be the next Australian city to bid for a Games because historically when countries bid, a city that has not hosted the Games before is favoured. But if Brisbane did not proceed with a bid, Melbourne would be the most likely contender, Coates said.

He added the next time the country bids for an Olympic Games is likely to be in the latter half of the 2020s, 2030s or beyond.

Meanwhile the Daily reports Queensland is focused on securing a Commonwealth Games ahead of an Olympic Games, according to Treasurer Andrew Fraser. He told reporters Sunday, "I think many people regard the (1982) Commonwealth Games that were in Brisbane as a seminal moment in the development of the city. As a government we've said we're interested in looking at a Commonwealth Games bid for the Gold Coast, that's our focus for the moment,. He added that Brisbane would host a better Olympic Games than Melbourne - "without a doubt".

Found this ages ago ^^

Brisbane, a better host for the Olympics than Melbourne?

What with close to 50% (Ok, might be less) of the venues needing to be built (Even if most are temporary arenas)?
And what about the problem of transport? Melbourne has a centralized network that only needs upgrades, not necessarily the need to build a whole new rail network or subway.

Melbourne also has recent experience what with the Commonwealth Games, the 2007 Aquatics Championships, and the 2013 Cycling Championships, as well as numerous other sporting events.

The only problem for Melbourne is availability of the MCG for September/October.
But that will be solved by moving the AFL calendar a few weeks early and hosting the Grand Final in mid August.


I wouldn't be surprised in a future Brisbane Olympic bid, if they propose say some State or National sports complex, with several interconnected arenas for most of the indoor sports. One would definitely expect a new aquatics center and a main city arena.
The problem still lies with public transport, the only solution I currently see is a subway network of 2 or more lines, supporting the existing light rail. A first for Australia no doubt.

Somebody shall tell both Australian and Canadians that they will not have SOG in their countries for a very very long time.

Australia because - even if it is a fairly small country in terms of population - it had the ones of 2000. Before SOG ever go back to Australia at least 50 years will have to elapse

Canada because it had this - disastrous - WOG and it is too a fairly small country. The record of olympic games in Canada is not crystal clear, surely it will not be considered for games for years and decades to come

Enough said

Let's get serious and talk about the REAL countries which may get 2020 and the next games

The Winter Games were not disastrous; on the whole I thought they were pretty good. But I do tend to think both Australia and Canada should not think about bidding again until after 2028. Besides which, I don't think they are thinking about it. Canada is concentrating on the PanAms in 2015, and Australia is pushing hard for the world cup.

^^

What are you on about with regards to Canada? I'm sure there's a lot people that would say Vancouver held a sound Winter Olympics, not perfect yes, what with it's problems, but nonetheless a reasonably good Olympics.

Who says they will not have a SOG for a long time? Toronto is hosting the 2015 Pan American Games, which would only boost an Olympic bid, I'd rather see Quebec City host their Winter Olympics first or bid first before Toronto.

How is the Olympic record for Canada not crystal clear? We had the financially disastrous Montreal 1976, the financially successful Calgary 1988 and the mixed blessing Vancouver 2010.

When the Olympics do come back in Canada whether it be Summer or Winter, it will be a general success. It is possible for the Canadians to host in the 2020's, as for Australia, 2030's seem more reasonable (preparation bids for say 2028 might happen).

And what countries do you class as real?

Where are you from Eddard and which countries would you want to host in the future?

^^

What are you on about with regards to Canada? I'm sure there's a lot people that would say Vancouver held a sound Winter Olympics, not perfect yes, what with it's problems, but nonetheless a reasonably good Olympics.

Who says they will not have a SOG for a long time? Toronto is hosting the 2015 Pan American Games, which would only boost an Olympic bid, I'd rather see Quebec City host their Winter Olympics first or bid first before Toronto.

How is the Olympic record for Canada not crystal clear? We had the financially disastrous Montreal 1976, the financially successful Calgary 1988 and the mixed blessing Vancouver 2010.

When the Olympics do come back in Canada whether it be Summer or Winter, it will be a general success. It is possible for the Canadians to host in the 2020's, as for Australia, 2030's seem more reasonable (preparation bids for say 2028 might happen).

Having 2 failures and one decent makes a pretty bad host record

Having 2 failures and one decent makes a pretty bad host record

I think most consider it one financial failure and two hosting successes.

I think he's from Italy? Rome are bidding for 2020 and no problem with them hosting :)

Toronto 2020! :cheers:

Vancouver 2010, Toronto 2015, Rio 2016 means any Games in the 'Americas', let alone in Canada, in 2020 is unlikely Altiusx3.

Having 2 failures and one decent makes a pretty bad host record

It was one failure, Montreal. And 1 all round success, Calgary. And Vancouver being the mixed blessing.

Vancouver was superb. Minor problems but the best winter Games ever. No doubt about that.

Seems like everybody has a different opinion about Vancouver games. Some say bad, others say mixed and some others call it nice. Is there any neutral source of information out there ;)

A few bus problems and faulty cauldron are definitely not major issues. Sydney too had bus issues and a faulty cauldron, and some previous Games had much larger problems.

Operationally and otherwise these Games were 5/6 star.

^^ I know about the death of a sportsperson, don't know whether authorities were responsible or the sportsperson himself

I think he's from Italy? Rome are bidding for 2020 and no problem with them hosting :)

Apart of having 120% debt/GDP ratio? no

It was one failure, Montreal. And 1 all round success, Calgary. And Vancouver being the mixed blessing.

There are many countries out there that never had any failure in organizing games

Of the last olympics can we agree Vancouver was one of the worst? I would say since Atlanta 1996 (another pretty ugly olympics)

We have had a dead person the day of the opening. Many many glitces in the organization. A general atmosphere of failure.

Yes it's not Munich 72' nor Montreal. But it's pretty bad

After 2 out of 3 games in Canada being bad or worse I don't think Toronto stands any chance of getting SOG any time soon. Surely for the next 20-30 years or so.

Apart of having 120% debt/GDP ratio? no

Most IOC voters dont even know this kind of information, let alone consider it a factor in their choices. Greeces situation wasnt exactly hunky-dory when they were chosen as 2004 hosts.

It was one failure, Montreal. And 1 all round success, Calgary. And Vancouver being the mixed blessing.

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Most IOC voters dont even know this kind of information, let alone consider it a factor in their choices. Greeces situation wasnt exactly hunky-dory when they were chosen as 2004 hosts.

Well it is more a problem for my own country. We got Milan 2015 world expo (a minor event compared to the olympics) and since than we have had many problems funding the plan

Now things are starting to look brighter, but I wonder what will happen if we get the olympics. We cannot afford to make more debt, that's the reason of my worry over our Debt/GDP ratio.

Anyway Rome seems to have a decent chance of getting these games... I hope we do

Of the last olympics can we agree Vancouver was one of the worst?.

I can't agree with that, although I do agree that Canada will be unlikely to host in the next 20 years.

The death of the luger will always prevent this being one of the best Games, but the other problems were not major and the atmosphere in the crowds and in the city was the best I've seen since Sydney 2000.

Not a Great Games, but a very good Olympics in my opinion.

Canada won't fail to win an Olympic race in the next 20 years because of Vancouver's performance. They'll fail to win one because for such a small nation they've already hosted many times. I can't see Canada hosting again for a couple of decades for this reason. But when they do host again, I hope the Games they put on are as good as Vancouver 2010 in many respects.

No, I can't agree with that.

The death of the luger will always prevent this being one of the best Games, but the other problems were not major and the atmosphere in the crowds was the best I've seens since Sydney 2000.

Not a Great Games, but a very good Olympics in my opinion.

Canada won't fail to win an Olympic race in the next 20 years because of Vancouver's performance. They'll fail to win won because for such a small nation they've already hosted many times. I can't see Canada hosting again for a couple of decades for this reason. But when they do host again, I hope the Games they put on are as good as Vancouver 2010 in many respects.

I hope they are as good as Sydney, Athens, Torino, Barcelona, Lillehammer...surely not Vancouver

For the rest, I agree.

Most IOC voters dont even know this kind of information, let alone consider it a factor in their choices. Greeces situation wasnt exactly hunky-dory when they were chosen as 2004 hosts.

Yes, but greek had an increase of taxes incredible. And in Italy we can't consider this possibility.

I agree with Eddard, Vancouver hasn't been an amazing edition, all italian forumers agree with my opinions. I thought Canada, about venues, could offer more than realized, only BC Plase was an olympic venue. Richmond oval and other venues were banal, seem venue of 1990s and not 2010s.

I can't agree with that, although I do agree that Canada will be unlikely to host in the next 20 years.

The death of the luger will always prevent this being one of the best Games, but the other problems were not major and the atmosphere in the crowds and in the city was the best I've seen since Sydney 2000.

Not a Great Games, but a very good Olympics in my opinion.

Canada won't fail to win an Olympic race in the next 20 years because of Vancouver's performance. They'll fail to win one because for such a small nation they've already hosted many times. I can't see Canada hosting again for a couple of decades for this reason. But when they do host again, I hope the Games they put on are as good as Vancouver 2010 in many respects.

And about the venues? Too banals, they seemed went out from 1990s.

I don't watch the Olympics for the venues. Call me odd but I watch them for the sport.

Athens was a disaster with finishing venues off on the last minute and crowd numbers down.

Evaluating 2020 chances

East Asia:

Asia will likely get the winter olympics of 2018. This may undermines the hope of an Asian contender in 2020, but not too much give the size and increased importance of the continent.

India seems that it will not bid, nor it seems south-east Asia. So it is down to Tokyo, most likely.

However Japan seems pretty spent as a country. The enormous debt and grim economic future prospect shall weight on such candidate. unlikely to win.

Muslim world:

The olympics have never been in a muslim country. The muslim world is large but at this time only two areas seem ready in terms of infrastructure and finance to organize the games. The arab peninsula and Turkey.

The arabs have however geography and weather against them. Unlikely

Turkey - Istanbul - may well be the most exciting choice for 2020. Neither Europe nor Asia, first muslim host but in a very secular country. World class infrastructure and sport arenas. If they presente a good and sturdy bid they may well grasp it and bring forward Turkey to the attention of the entire world

Africa

Of subsaharian Africa only RSA seems able to host an Olympic Games. If - as it seems now likely - the world cup will result as a success the boost for Capetown 2020 will be significant.

Weigthing on Capetown the security issue and a possible unprofessional bid. I would put it right behind Istanbul as the likely winner

South America

After Rio no chance

North America

On Mexico is weighting Rio, on Canada Vancouver. USA will not put forward a candidate. So no olympics in 2020 bar a huge surprise

Europe

Never discard Europe for an Olympics. Europe is the leading continent of CIO

Of the possible candidates, Istanbul could be seen as the "european champion". However excluding Istanbul and unlikely easter european candidates the possible wester european cities could be:

Madrid: against the past, an unlikely candidate and a more unlikely winner. Spain is preparing for a very though economic ride. They will have much more to worry about this time than they did till last year

Paris: it could try to win in 2020 to avoid surprises in 2024 (the centennary edition). Good possibility to win, only the french attitude could make them loose as for 2012

Berlin: another possible candidate, if Munich doesn't make it for 2018. A way to clear the past horrible experience of the olympics in teutonic lands. good chance

Rome: Torino is a little bit too close, but the city too fascinating (and too well-equipped for big events) to be discarded. If they put forward a good bid they may well win

What do you think? was I detailed enough?

Athens was a disaster with finishing venues off on the last minute and crowd numbers down.

I beg to defer: very well organized at the end, the venues were ALL FINISHED. They had a good flavour and very spectacular venues and ceremonies.

I remember fondly the crown given to all the athletes

Sport was good too, with no problems whatsoever during the games.

In general very good games, regardless of what happened before and after which has nothing to do with the games itself

I agree with RobH's analysis to a tee. High quality games (what qualifies as "best" is subjective and I think we tend to have biases towards the most recent games). Good vistas, generally good atmosphere, great village, and most important some real interesting sport storylines which Vancouver itself had little to do with.

I also don't tend to think that Canada isn't likely to get a games anytime soon, though if the USOC-IOC relationship remains prickly I think that ironically may increase their chances some.

I thought Canada, about venues, could offer more than realized, only BC Place was an Olympic venue. .
That is ironic, I think just the opposite if anything. Compared to the oval and skating venues I think BC Place was perhaps the least typical Olympic venue. It is by far the oldest and by NA standards now is rather pedestrian. Plus, it is grass playing field that isn't outdoors, it doesn't scream winter venue to me.

They made the roof work to their advantage for the ceremonies reasonably well by staging props from the ceiling.

I don't watch the Olympics for the venues. Call me odd but I watch them for the sport.

Odd. :lol:

Olympic games have to gift the possibility to realize fantastic venues, new transports, to renew the city and after Athens, Turin, Beijing, for Vancouver seems that city has not taken advantage of this event.

See what realized Turin and what realizaed Vancouver and Vancouver edition seems to have made a step behind tha Turin one. IMHO.

I agree with RobH's analysis to a tee. High quality games (what qualifies as "best" is subjective and I think we tend to have biases towards the most recent games). Good vistas, generally good atmosphere, great village, and most important some real interesting sport storylines which Vancouver itself had little to do with.

I also don't tend to think that Canada isn't likely to get a games anytime soon, though if the USOC-IOC relationship remains prickly I think that ironically may increase their chances some.

That is ironic, I think just the opposite if anything. Compared to the oval and skating venues I think BC Place was perhaps the least typical Olympic venue. It is by far the oldest and by NA standards now is rather pedestrian. Plus, it is grass playing field that isn't outdoors, it doesn't scream winter venue to me.

They made the roof work to their advantage for the ceremonies reasonably well by staging props from the ceiling.

Do you think Richmond oval is a typical Olympic venue for 2010? :ohno:

Odd.

Olympic games have to gift the possibility to realize fantastic venues, new transports, to renew the city and after Athens, Turin, Beijing, for Vancouver seems that city has not taken advantage of this event.

See what realized Turin and what realizaed Vancouver and Vancouver edition seems to have made a step behind tha Turin one. IMHO.

Fine, but that's an issue for Vancouver and its residents if that's the case. As a spectator or a TV viewer, it makes not a jot of difference to my enjoyment whether the city has made the most of the opportunity in terms of legacy. I'll watch for two weeks and that's it. Give me a Games with venues full of passionate fans over a city which has built everything from scratch, leaves a massive sporting legacy, but doesn't show a great level of enthuisiasm when the Games are on.

I'm not an expert on what Vancouver did and didn't build in terms of "venues, new transport, and renewing the city", but my enjoyment of Vancouver 2010 wasn't based on that. It came from the sport, and from the massively passionate crowds who FILLED all the venues; something other Games didn't manage to the same extent.

I think many have lots of opinions often not based on reality

Example: while Athens had preparation issues before the Games, the actual Games operations and organization was a great success.

Many also live in wonderland when highlighting Vancouver's bus issues. If those glitches were "major" in your eyes, then you've obviously not read about or been exposed to the many major glitches in previous Games.

Odd. :lol:

Olympic games have to gift the possibility to realize fantastic venues, new transports, to renew the city and after Athens, Turin, Beijing, for Vancouver seems that city has not taken advantage of this event.

See what realized Turin and what realizaed Vancouver and Vancouver edition seems to have made a step behind tha Turin one. IMHO.

Thats perhaps very naive to try and apply a cookie-cutter approach to what cities want, need and can deliver in terms of the Games and for the future.

Yes, some venues were bland,but I'd hardly reference Turin as the only architectural benchmark when looking at previous winter host cities.

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Fine, but that's an issue for Vancouver and its residents if that's the case. As a spectator or a TV viewer, it makes not a jot of difference to my enjoyment whether the city has made the most of the opportunity in terms of legacy. I'll watch for two weeks and that's it. Give me a Games with venues full of passionate fans over a city which has built everything from scratch, leaves a massive sporting legacy, but doesn't show a great level of enthuisiasm any day.

London too is an edition low profile. Do you see the difference of London edition to Athens and Beijing ones. Olympics in Athens and in Beijing have left to the cities venues, but above all transports and new infrastructures.

Olympic games have this aim too. They have to left a renovation to the host cities. Turin, Sydney, Beijing, Barcelona understood it, cities have changed its faces, Vancouver, London, Salt Lake and Atlanta no. I know the fans don't interest this point, but from my point of view is important to judicate the success of an edition.

So Athens, Barcelona, Turin, Sydney, Beijing OK, London, SLC, Vancouver NO.

London too is an edition low profile. Do you see the difference of London edition to Athens and Beijing ones. Olympics in Athens and in Beijing have left to the cities venues, but above all transports and new infrastructures.

Olympic games have this aim too. They have to left a renovation to the host cities. Turin, Sydney, Beijing, Barcelona understood it, cities have changed its faces, Vancouver, London, Salt Lake and Atlanta no. I know the fans don't interest this point, but from my point of view is important to judicate the success of an edition.

So Athens, Barcelona, Turin, Sydney, Beijing OK, London, SLC, Vancouver NO.

You clearly have very little idea of what London is doing then. Do some reading. :lol:


Here's a hint though:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2676595153_1b75e21de1_b.jpg

This is the area of London being redeveloped with new parkland, transport links including an international railway terminus, roads, waterways, thousands of news homes, a new school, new media facilities etc. not to mention a world class athletics stadium, velodrome, Zaha Hadid Aquatics centre, basketball arena, handball arena. Most of which is happening because of London 2012!

Still too small for your liking? Not enough regeneration going on to make you happy?

You can judge an Olympic's success as a spectator on regeneration rather than sporting success if you like (though that's a little weird in my opinion), but if you're going to do so, at least get your facts right. London's leaving behind one of the biggest Olympic legacies ever, transforming a HUGE area of the city in what is now the biggest construction site in Europe.

You clearly have very little idea of what London is doing then. Do some reading. :lol:

I think he needs to read up. and without sounding rude, probably grow up too.

How Id like to see it - I predict increasingly the Games will be used as a coming out party for up n coming countries (akin to Beijing 2008, Rio 2016, South Africa World Cup 2010), as the 'rise of the rest' of the world comes to age - a more even global representation as Westcentrism levels out. This will still be interspersed with smaller cities and Western representation still.

2020 Cape Town (first African Games, the final continent to not have held it despite the five rings representing each continent, and with a proven track record following the World Cup 2010- an even bigger event than the Olympics)
2024 Istanbul (first Islamic nation, mending the 'clash of cultures' this past decade)
2028 Delhi (coming out party, first for the subcontinent)
2032 New York City (finally! -last of the *current* World Cities not to have held it)
2034 Moscow (coming out party for Russian geopolitical region, this time round on capitalist terms)
2038 Dubai (first for the Middle East, an established major geopolitical region by then, in an age of empires)
2042 Paris
2048 Jakarta (coming out party, one of the world's richest countries by then)
2052 Melbourne
2054 Lagos (coming out party, one of the world's richest countries by then)
2058 Buenos Aires


^what would uproot this guesswork tho' is if China/ India/ US, as the largest economies win bids every decade, akin to how US and Europe has done in the past. Places like Shanghai, Hong Kong, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chicago, San Francisco.

You clearly have very little idea of what London is doing then. Do some reading. :lol:


Here's a hint though:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2676595153_1b75e21de1_b.jpg

This is the area of London being redeveloped with new parkland, transport links including an international railway terminus, roads, waterways, thousands of news homes, a new school, new media facilities etc. not to mention a world class athletics stadium, velodrome, Zaha Hadid Aquatics centre, basketball arena, handball arena.

Still too small for your liking?

You can judge an Olympic's success as a spectator on regeneration rather than sporting success if you like (though it's a little weird in my opinion), but if you're going to do so, at least get your facts right. London's leaving behind one of the biggest Olympic legacies ever, transforming a HUGE area of the city in what is now the biggest construction site in Europe.

Ok, could you make a list of permanet venues and transport that Olympic games will gift to London?

I'm very interested to know what London is realizing in transport field for 2012. Let it me know. I'm curiouse. :)

And about area I know is the biggest olympic park never realized before. But the main venues, the olimpyc stadium is temporary, and bsketball arena too. And do you compare the quality of Beijing and Sydney venues to London ones. But this is an opinion only.

Let me know what London is realizing for transport for Olympic games.

Do you think Richmond oval is a typical Olympic venue for 2010? :ohno:

What on earth is wrong with Richmond oval? It looks pretty darn high quality to me and it has substanable plan as a future venue. In fact I would say its the most modern and olympic specific venue Vancouver probably did for the games.

Africa


Weigthing on Capetown the security issue and a possible unprofessional bid. I would put it right behind Istanbul as the likely winner


huh? When has South Africa ever produced an "unprofessional" bid for any sporting event?

Even Cape Town's bid for the 2004 Games back in 1997 was of a very high quality, as highlighted by the IOC in its evaluation report.

Do remember that Cape Town was shortlisted ahead of Rio and Istanbul during the 2004 Olympic bid, based on merit.

London site at the mo - the Park alone will be larger than Central Park in NYC. Its the second most expensive Games ever
(after Beijing's $44 billion), the latest estimates in real cost to be nearly $30 billion. Right alongside the Games site
(and not included in the cost) is basically a new CBD being built, and an international transport terminus/ interchange,
coupled with a whole overrun of the London transport network ($15 billion investment programme).
On top of that and entirely separate from the Olympics is of course the $24 billion west to east Crossrail, currently u/c and
opening a year after the Games.

Basically the Games is being seen as the kickstart to a giant rengineering of the city to face East rather than west as the
population booms, and over the decades grows out to the Thames Estuary - thats $250 billion slated in public works alone over
the past decade and for the following years, much of it for that growth. The city is growing at terrific rates now, as fast as in
Victorian times, when it went from 1 million in 1800 to over 6 million a century later. Its a huge but exciting headache for the
govt,and very pricey one too.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/4104118052_6d2d74746a_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2772/4307891718_f8f9fc44c5_o.jpg

Ok, could you make a list of permanet venues and transport that Olympic games will gift to London?

I'm very interested to know what London is realizing in transport field for 2012. Let it me know. I'm curiouse. :)

And about area I know is the biggest olympic park never realized before. But the main venues, the olimpyc stadium is temporary, and bsketball arena too. And do you compare the quality of Beijing and Sydney venues to London ones. But this is an opinion only.

Let me know what London is realizing for transport for Olympic games.

As before, do some reading...lots of reading. Ever heard the term "white elephant". Like the Birds Nest.

You clearly have very little idea of what London is doing then. Do some reading. :lol:


Here's a hint though:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2676595153_1b75e21de1_b.jpg

This is the area of London being redeveloped with new parkland, transport links including an international railway terminus, roads, waterways, thousands of news homes, a new school, new media facilities etc. not to mention a world class athletics stadium, velodrome, Zaha Hadid Aquatics centre, basketball arena, handball arena. Most of which is happening because of London 2012!

Still too small for your liking? Not enough regeneration going on to make you happy?

You can judge an Olympic's success as a spectator on regeneration rather than sporting success if you like (though that's a little weird in my opinion), but if you're going to do so, at least get your facts right. London's leaving behind one of the biggest Olympic legacies ever, transforming a HUGE area of the city in what is now the biggest construction site in Europe.

I find London's plan very grand. I do not think moreover that there have to be transport improvements to make great olympic games.

And I also think we shall evaluate AFTER the event. So MrU, let's be more diplomatic about this ;)

huh? When has South Africa ever produced an "unprofessional" bid for any sporting event?

Even Cape Town's bid for the 2004 Games back in 1997 was of a very high quality, as highlighted by the IOC in its evaluation report.

Do remember that Cape Town was shortlisted ahead of Rio and Istanbul during the 2004 Olympic bid, based on merit.

you also know the word "possible" I assume.

I am saying that playing against it may be a unprofessional bid from a country that never won it. But that is only a possibility

If Capetown presents a very strong bid with no problems than it has very good chance of winning, as I wrote. You may have noticed I place it secondo only to Istanbul as likely winner

London site at the mo - the park alone is larger than Central park in NYC.
Its the seoncd most expensive Games ever (after Beijing's). Right alongside
the Games site (and not included in the cost) is basically a new CBD being built,
and an international transport terminus/ interchange:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2740/4104118052_6d2d74746a_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2772/4307891718_f8f9fc44c5_o.jpg

truly impressive. Two tumbs up

As before, do some reading...lots of reading. Ever heard the term "white elephant". Like the Birds Nest.

Yes. They have to host opera (incredibile for a stadium) also, in Bird's nest to pay the high costs.

I know, I know.

I know that velodrome costs 1 milion of € and is under used...

I find London's plan very grand. I do not think moreover that there have to be transport improvements to make great olympic games.

And I also think we shall evaluate AFTER the event. So MrU, let's be more diplomatic about this ;)

But you see BEFORE what London is realizing for 2012 about the transport. It is simple, download the bid book and read.

Beijing opened a lot of kms of metro and an olympic line, Athens a metro to airport (line 3) and renovation of line 1 to Piraeus, Turin realized its first line, and London. Crossrail will be ready for 2017 and is a project not linked to Olimpuc Games.

And btw is curiouse that we live 500 m. far and we speake in a language spoken 1500 km far from us. :lol:

London Underground already has the world's longest system - it doesnt need expansion like other cities, but they are still building one new line for the Games (which will be converted and incorporated into the new London Overground system). However reengineering the underground network to handle increased capacity alone is costing $7.6 billion, and part of a $15 billion investment programme for the transport by 2012. By then underground capacity will be able to handle 30% more, to nearly 1.4 billion passengers a year.

Neither do these include the new international rail link to the Games, which has cost $7.9 billion, but was privately funded.

For infrastructure alone, in the lead up to the Games London has so far completed:

1. a new $8.6 billion airport terminal doubling the size of the world busiest international airport, and largened the city's lead as the the worlds busiest airhub (140 million passengers p/a), alongside most internationally visited city.

2. Completed the $7.9 billion Channel Tunnel Rail Link to the Games site, alongside a new $1.5 billion terminal - total HSR development cost so far $10.9 billion.

3. DLR (light rail) refurb and extension to increase line usage to 80 million

4. Created the new London Overground network (Games site is at the start, in Stratford):

http://bnb.bpweb.net/londonoverground/London%20Overground%20as%20a%20circle.png

5. Expanded Stansted Airport from 15 million capacity to 25 million this year (and given the green light for further expansion to 35 million).

6. Opened its $1.2 billion 90,000 capacity New Wembley stadium where the soccer will be held. It joined new stadiums of 60,000 (Emirates), 80,000 (Twickenham) and 80,000 (Ascot).

7. Totally rejuvenated all major streets, tube stations, parks, museums and attractions at untold cost, in hundreds of separate projects.

8. Tore down and regenerated each of the most notorious estates in the city (Kidbrooke, Ferrier, Aylesbury, North Peckham), at $7.5 billion cost. The last, Elephant and Castle is currently undergoing a $2.3 billion masterplanning.

8. Built and added thousands of extra hotel rooms every year, with a total of 13,300 extra by 2012 (total number of hotel rooms by then 123,000).

^The thing is none of this counts as Olympic development.

Eddard_Stark, your contempt for the Vancouver WOG is astonishing. You may not have enjoyed it, but MANY people did:

Some Examples from media outlets around the world:


"In the end, these games became a testament to the resilience of both the Canadian and the Olympic spirit. A devastating athlete tragedy, diabolical weather that threatened the mountain events and early organisational glitches failed to stamp out the enthusiasm of the happy masses who thronged the streets of Vancouver, creating a carnival atmosphere that had not been seen in an Olympic city since Sydney in 2000."


( http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/vancouver-games-delivers-salvation/story-fn4vwn8v-1225835815028 )


Let me clarify that question a little. In many ways there are always two parallel Olympics which take place - the one that viewers around the world watch on TV, and the one that spectators come to a city to enjoy in person.

For example, the Beijing Olympics were considered to be a great success by the international television audience, whereas many people who witnessed the Games at first hand complained about the lack of atmosphere in the Chinese capital.
I was in Beijing, and I can assure you that you simply cannot compare the spectator experience there with the one here in Vancouver. Vancouver wins hands down.

In Beijing there was little buzz around the city. Yes, they were a fantastic Games in terms of quality of venues and competition, but not in terms of the amount of fun that people were having. Here the street party began on the opening night and it shows no signs of coming to an end just yet.

One senior official from London 2012, who's been in Vancouver, told me that she's learned more from five days in Canada than she had from three weeks in China. That's because, in terms of spectator experience, London will be looking to follow the Vancouver model.

...
And how about this for a compliment from a man who really should know what he's talking about? The IOC president Jacques Rogge told me in an interview (which you can watch here) that the people of Vancouver had "embraced the Olympic Games like no other city in the world before".

( http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jamespearce/2010/02/worst_ever_these_olympics_may.html )


The large, celebrative crowds downtown were more remindful of the Summer Games than the Winter Games. And they set Olympic records for patience, waiting in line for hours to buy exotic hot dogs and souvenir mittens.

...


( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/sports/olympics/28longman.html )


Coe, the London 2012 chairman, says he is keeping a watchful eye over Vancouver's efforts, and believes the Canadians have done an excellent job so far. "I haven't read any media while I have been here because I have been here with our observation teams and secondees, but what I witness here is that the stadiums are full, the seats are full of passionate fans, the streets are busy and there's a lot going on," he said.


( http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/feb/18/sebastian-coe-winter-olympics )


Winter Olympics 2010: London must try to capture Vancouver Games magic

( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/winter-olympics/7347308/Winter-Olympics-2010-London-must-try-to-capture-Vancouver-Games-magic.html )


Furthermore, take a brief look through newspapers, flickr, or google images, and you'll be bound to find pictures of the hundreds of thousands of people that took the streets, bars, and restaurants night after night enjoying the parties and concerts.

Anyway, I don't think Toronto will manage a 2020, bid, more likely 2028.

Toronto 2020 is too soon. Especially since you are effectively proposing using some venues from the 2015 Pan American Games which aren't even hosted yet.

Let Quebec City have it's 2022 bid and if that fails, then a 2024 Toronto bid. It happened for Toronto 2008/Vancouver 2010, so why not be fair and do it again?

Brisbane, a better host for the Olympics than Melbourne?

What with close to 50% (Ok, might be less) of the venues needing to be built (Even if most are temporary arenas)?
And what about the problem of transport? Melbourne has a centralized network that only needs upgrades, not necessarily the need to build a whole new rail network or subway.

I wouldn't be surprised in a future Brisbane Olympic bid, if they propose say some State or National sports complex, with several interconnected arenas for most of the indoor sports. One would definitely expect a new aquatics center and a main city arena.
The problem still lies with public transport, the only solution I currently see is a subway network of 2 or more lines, supporting the existing light rail. A first for Australia no doubt.

It's not like Australia is hosting again anytime soon, anyway. So why disqualify Brisbane for a "future" Olympic bid because it lacks facilities & transport 'today'.

Brisbane could look very, very different 20-30 years from now (when another Australian Olympics could very well likely be due) than it does now. The city is growing, & thus seemingly makes it Australia's next logical choice.

The complete overhaul in public transport & venues that would be needed to be done in Brisbane could be the legacy aspect (which the IOC loves to associate itself with) as part of the bid, like Beijing's. If anything, Melbourne should be the back up bid if a future Brisbane bid doesn't nicely flourish.

I think Melbourne should go first due to the fact that we're close to ready and that Brisbane got to go first when we decided to bid again for the 90's.

And we can disqualify Brisbane because it's bid during the latter 2020's will have had some transportation improvements, but no say, subway system or something like that that would be vital for an Olympics.

Yeah, Melbourne did bid back in the 90's but they lost nonetheless, finishing way back in 4th place in the '96 vote. Besides, again, Brisbane, nor Australia for that matter, ain't gonna be seeing no Olympics in the latter 2020's anyway.

The earliest Australia could realistically have a shot is somewhere along the late 2030's/early 2040's. And by then, Brisbane's landscape would be very, very different.

That is so ignorant - Sydney does NOT have a major subway network and it hosted an outstanding Olympic Games so it is doable.

Plus, Melbourne will only want to host an Olympic Games in March along with everything else they host and the IOC will never allow that. Melbourne would not need to build many new venues, I grant you, but the IOC, while mindful of costs, always wants to see an Olympic host USE the Olympic Games to build its sports infrastructure, if recent history is anything to go by. Brisbane, while not completely lacking sports facilities, will still have to build alot more stuff.

^^ Precisely.

That is where the legacy aspect comes into play that the IOC loves so much.

And besides, by the time Australia comes around due for a Games again, Melbourne's facilities would be old & dated anyway. The IOC doesn't like drab.

That is so ignorant - Sydney does NOT have a major subway network and it hosted an outstanding Olympic Games so it is doable.

Plus, Melbourne will only want to host an Olympic Games in March along with everything else they host and the IOC will never allow that. Melbourne would not need to build many new venues, I grant you, but the IOC, while mindful of costs, always wants to see an Olympic host USE the Olympic Games to build its sports infrastructure, if recent history is anything to go by. Brisbane, while not completely lacking sports facilities, will still have to build alot more stuff.

It extended it's light rail which was sufficient.

Look at Brisbane, it has light rail yes, but due to the development in the suburbs south (primarily where the Griffith University and Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre is (which is the likely choice for the Olympic Park and Athlete's Village)), it is difficult to provide some rail infrastructure development there.
Which is why I can only see a subway line or 2 being implemented in preparation for an Olympics (unless you really think buses will handle it all (or if existing infrastructure will be cleared to extend the rail network)).


Melbourne won't host in March, that was just the suitable date for the Commonwealth Games, it will be mid September/early October for sure.

^^ Precisely.

That is where the legacy aspect comes into play that the IOC loves so much.

And besides, by the time Australia comes around due for a Games again, Melbourne's facilities would be old & dated anyway. The IOC doesn't like drab.

And what about Brisbane? Will it build a new velodrome? Nope, it will just expand and roof Chandler Velodrome.

And what about a new Olympic Stadium? They're most likely to demolish much of the existing "temporary" stands and leave the original one, whilst rebuilding the whole stadium to at least 80,000.

Then you got the Brisbane Entertainment Centre, which is usable as is, only needing say an adjacent or nearby new 20,000 seater or so arena to compliment it.

Talk about old and dated? There's plenty of cities that use old and dated venues in their bid because it's readily available, only needs refurbishment and costs much cheaper to renovate/upgrade then building a new venue in scratch. Just look at Vancouver's Pacific Coliseum, they decided to use it because it was readily available, only needed renovations and was much cheaper then building a new venue for short track/figure skating.
Brisbane and Melbourne will do the same for their bids.

^^ Stop slagging off Brisbane!!! I know its not perfect from your Melbournian standard but please.

^^ I wasn't slagging Brisbane, I just keep pointing out that it will need major transport upgrades if it even wants to bid, and most definitely (for Matt Lowry) they nor will Melbourne win let alone bid for 2024 or 2028.

Ok but blame our slow government and red tape for transport as population got too big for a city of its size.

I don't think it's slagging it's more pointing out Brisbane isn't an ideal Olympic City.

I don't think Brisbane with a population of 2 million and more importantly with low density of 1000 persons/sq km really needs subway. Road transport should be enough for it for a long time to come. Building few short subway lines near downtown actually doesn't helps much.

Cape Town! We have a softball stadium and therefore should host.

http://www.acgarchitects.co.za/users/admin/Turfhall/3.jpg

Only Sydney and Melbourne can possibly host SOG among Australian cities

There are simply no other option. For today standards even Melbourne could be considered too low profile.

Just get over with.

Besides, with 2 SOG already played on the soil of a 20-million something country SOG will not come back to Australia - either in Sydney or Melbourne - for decades to come

If they ever go back to Oceania I assume it could be Auckland as a "new" country. Even though the country is way too small for a SOG


IMHO of course

Melbourne is arguably one of the worlds top 5 sports capitals. I think its profile is just fine.

Melbourne is arguably one of the worlds top 5 sports capitals. I think its profile is just fine.

Uhm, based on what? anyway it can be also the sport capital, what it matters is if it is a city large and important enough in today's world - a much larger world than the one of 50-60 years ago.

Understand me: I think it is (barely). But the IOC may still consider it too "secondary" for the most global of the world events. I know it's a big and important city, but is it big and important enough?

It's an open question I believe, without a straight answer. Yes or no

^ Well no more secondary than Atlanta.

Uhm, based on what? anyway it can be also the sport capital, what it matters is if it is a city large and important enough in today's world - a much larger world than the one of 50-60 years ago.

Understand me: I think it is (barely). But the IOC may still consider it too "secondary" for the most global of the world events. I know it's a big and important city, but is it big and important enough?

It's an open question I believe, without a straight answer. Yes or no
The IOC is made up of athletes, international federations, royalty, randoms...

Melbourne has hosted and continues to host tons of events, so its highly likely it already features in their minds as a major player.

It also consistently wins the "best sporting city" award.

A big fat YES

Uhm, based on what? anyway it can be also the sport capital, what it matters is if it is a city large and important enough in today's world - a much larger world than the one of 50-60 years ago.

Understand me: I think it is (barely). But the IOC may still consider it too "secondary" for the most global of the world events. I know it's a big and important city, but is it big and important enough?

It's an open question I believe, without a straight answer. Yes or no

Yes is undoubtedly the answer for me:


2006 Commonwealth Games
Australian Open Tennis
Formula One - Australian GP
The Melbourne Cup
2007 World Aquatics Championships
2005 World Artistic Gymnastics Championships
AFL Grand Final
Boxing Day cricket


33 facilities with a capacity of 10000+ and the only city in the world whose total stadium seating capacity is over 1,000,000 seats. If there's one city in the world whose size, population and 'importance' on the world stage oughtn't matter to the IOC, it's Melbourne. For it's size, no city even comes close as a sporting destination, and it's proven time and time again it can handle very large sporting events. The next logicial step is an Olympic bid next time Australia is in with a reasonable shot.

If it was in any other country beside Australia - a relativly small country with a recent hosting - it'd be a city I'd love to see host in the next decade. As it is, it'll probably be a couple of decades before it has a real chance. But when Australia bids seriously again, I really hope it's with Melbourne. For a city of its size to compete with the likes of London in terms of facilities is quite remarkable and deserves to be recognised.

I don't think Brisbane with a population of 2 million and more importantly with low density of 1000 persons/sq km really needs subway. Road transport should be enough for it for a long time to come. Building few short subway lines near downtown actually doesn't helps much.

Well unless rail links are extended south (which can happen if they remove existing infrastructure), then a small subway system consisting of say 2 lines, linking downtown with the suburbs south, may be sufficient.

Matt Lawry got what he wanted. I really can't believe we're actually biting the bullet and discussing Australia SOG chances. There are none until the 2040s!

They should just focus on the 2022 World Cup because they actually have a shot at that.

^^ 2040's is a little harsh, 2030's are possible too (or at least some test bidding, even 2028 at the least or some test bidding).

For a city of its size to compete with the likes of London in terms of facilities is quite remarkable and deserves to be recognised.

You meant to beat the likes of London.

Quite possibly, we had this debate in another thread and it was a close run thing. But per capita Melbourne wipes the floor with everyone.

Yes is undoubtedly the answer for me:


2006 Commonwealth Games
Australian Open Tennis
Formula One - Australian GP
The Melbourne Cup
2007 World Aquatics Championships
2005 World Artistic Gymnastics Championships
AFL Grand Final
Boxing Day cricket


33 facilities with a capacity of 10000+ and the only city in the world whose total stadium seating capacity is over 1,000,000 seats. If there's one city in the world whose size, population and 'importance' on the world stage oughtn't matter to the IOC, it's Melbourne. For it's size, no city even comes close as a sporting destination, and it's proven time and time again it can handle very large sporting events. The next logicial step is an Olympic bid next time Australia is in with a reasonable shot.

If it was in any other country beside Australia - a relativly small country with a recent hosting - it'd be a city I'd love to see host in the next decade. As it is, it'll probably be a couple of decades before it has a real chance. But when Australia bids seriously again, I really hope it's with Melbourne. For a city of its size to compete with the likes of London in terms of facilities is quite remarkable and deserves to be recognised.

This has nothing to do with the rest of what I said.

The relevance of Melbourne as a Global city (not a sport capital) is not so high. That said it's Australia itself which is not a likely host for decades to come.

But to go back at what I said before, no city in Australia outside Sydney and (maybe) Melbourne can host the games. The Brisbanes, Perths shall just fogget'out

It has complete relevence. I acknowledged that being an Australian city is a handicap for it, and said "if there's one city in the world whose size, population and 'importance' on the world stage oughtn't matter to the IOC, it's Melbourne."

In other words, I agree, being a global city is becoming more and more of a pre-requisite when Alpha cities like London, Paris, Tokyo etc. are bidding. But I think the IOC would make an exception for Melbourne because of its sporting pedigree.

Quite possibly, we had this debate in another thread and it was a close run thing. But per capita Melbourne wipes the floor with everyone.

I'm looking at variety, not how many football venues there are.

Aquatic Centre, Velodrome, Hockey Centre etc.

i.e. more "prepared" in terms of venues to host the Games than London currently is.

It has complete relevence. I acknowledged that being an Australian city is a handicap for it, and said "if there's one city in the world whose size, population and 'importance' on the world stage oughtn't matter to the IOC, it's Melbourne."

In other words, I agree, being a global city is becoming more and more of a pre-requisite when Alpha cities like London, Paris, Tokyo etc. are bidding. But I think the IOC would make an exception for Melbourne because of its sporting pedigree.

The thing is we are saying exactly the same thing but keep arguing...uhmmmm

debating

You forgot one...

http://www.dallas2020games.com/

And what about Brisbane? Will it build a new velodrome? Nope, it will just expand and roof Chandler Velodrome.

And what about a new Olympic Stadium? They're most likely to demolish much of the existing "temporary" stands and leave the original one, whilst rebuilding the whole stadium to at least 80,000.

Then you got the Brisbane Entertainment Centre, which is usable as is, only needing say an adjacent or nearby new 20,000 seater or so arena to compliment it.

Talk about old and dated? There's plenty of cities that use old and dated venues in their bid because it's readily available, only needs refurbishment and costs much cheaper to renovate/upgrade then building a new venue in scratch. Just look at Vancouver's Pacific Coliseum, they decided to use it because it was readily available, only needed renovations and was much cheaper then building a new venue for short track/figure skating.
Brisbane and Melbourne will do the same for their bids.

What about Brisbane? You talk as if they're going to bid tomorrow. Again, Australia's next realistic shot of getting another Summer Olympics at the earliest is late 2030's/early 2040's. So who knows what Brisbane could propose by then.

And yeah, there are other cities that sometimes offer up their existing infrastructure, but they usually lose lately, like Paris 2012 in favor of London's far more new development plan. Vancouver is moot because it was a WINTER Olympic city, & usally the IOC doesn't necessarily require new & shiny (other than in Sochi's case, which was politics) in the the Winter category since the topography of the Winter candidates are far more important.

^^ Actually London has offered to use much of it's existing arenas and such as opposed to building new ones for the indoor sports.

The main venues that they constructed were the Olympic Stadium, Aquatics Centre and Velodrome. There was no talk of building any new major arenas that weren't temporary.

Still, offering a sound Olympics, with the potential for big IOC bucks in return (without the big cost obviously), is just as good as offering the opportunity legacy or chance to redevelop a rundown area legacy.

By the time the 40's come around, Melbourne is (if its population growth continues as is) expected to have a population of something like 6.5-7 million. Its importance may not be up with that of New York, Chicago, London or even LA, but to the region of Oceania it is of great importance. Historically, Melbourne was an extremely important city. Look back at the 1800's, it was the richest city in the world and the second largest in the entire British Empire after London. Melbourne is again expected to overtake Sydney in terms of population, and economy and gladly would take many of the titles which come with. Melbourne will bid again, and it will win ;)

I never said London wasn't using 'any' existing facilities. What I said was, that in comparison to Paris', London's plan was/is far more ambitious.

And yes, sometimes offering a sound Olympics would be something that the IOC could be interested in, but if the legacy is somehow attributed somewhere else, like with Rio. Rio isn't offering as many new facilities & is also using already exisiting stadia for the ceremonies & track & field.

But in Rio's case, the Olympic legacy lies in the location. A huge location where the Olympic Games have never been to before & giving great pride & "self esteem" (as Lula himself said) to their people in being able to host for the very first time, & with also the big potential of touching a whole new group of youth for sport that haven't been directly touched before by the Olympic movement. A tremendous aspect that countries (& in this case, continents) that have already hosted (& especially the ones that have hosted more than once) can't offer. So the legacy for those already hosted countries would have to be in another area.

I never said London wasn't using 'any' existing facilities. What I said was, that in comparison to Paris', London's plan was/is far more ambitious.



People conveniently forget the amount of venues Paris actually had to build.

7 temporary arenas...and since we've seen what these actually cost e.g. basketball arena...80m pounds for 1
aquatic centre
velodrome
main indoor arena
the dome
and many other temporary venues

Exactly, Paris realizing that it didn't need so many indoor arenas, expo centre or sports institute proposed a lot of temporary arenas, quite an ambitious project, if not slightly more than London.

But where was Paris' Olympic legacy if they were just going to tear it all down after the Games were over? Whereas London's was/is about transforming an entire run down neighborhood into an Olympic park. That's what I meant about 'ambitious'. How can anyone "conveniently forget" when Paris' plan was all about forgetting the Olympics once they left town.

Exactly, Paris realizing that it didn't need so many indoor arenas, expo centre or sports institute proposed a lot of temporary arenas, quite an ambitious project, if not slightly more than London.

It proposed these temporary venues with ridiculous costs.

The London 2012 Basketball Arena is just one of 7 temporary venues Paris planned of the same quality and thats 80m pounds.

In addition London is using the O2 and Earls Courts where as Paris had to build new venues for gymnastics and volleyball.

But where was Paris' Olympic legacy if they were just going to tear it all down after the Games were over? Whereas London's was/is about transforming an entire run down neighborhood into an Olympic park. That's what I meant about 'ambitious'. How can anyone "conveniently forget" when Paris' plan was all about forgetting the Olympics once they left town.

The velodrome, aquatic centre, shooting centre and superdome were always defined as the legacy.

Paris has other indoor venues but instead wanted a compact bid within two major clusters.

Most cities can do this.

7 temporary arenas...

5, not 7...

main indoor arena
the dome


Actually, the Dome was the "main indoor arena" !

But you forgot the new roland Garros center court, which will be built anyway !

And btw the aquatic center and the velodrome are still planned, since they are needed for our federations/national teams !

As far I remember, in terms of existing venues, they wanted to use the Stade de France, Parc des Princes, Stade Charlety, Stade Roland Garros (tennis/French Open) and Bercy arena (+ other small existing sports halls and/or historical monuments used as sports venues)...

And I forgot to mention that the main legacy would have to be the Olympic village and park (built inside the city of Paris). After the games it would have become a residential area, including several public buildings (although the project was modified a bit, it's now u/c) !

5, not 7...



Actually, the Dome was the "main indoor arena" !

But you forgot the new roland Garros center court, which will be built anyway !

And btw the aquatic center and the velodrome are still planned, since they are needed for our federations/national teams !

As far I remember, in terms of existing venues, they wanted to use the Stade de France, Parc des Princes, Stade Charlety, Stade Roland Garros (tennis/French Open) and Bercy arena (+ other small existing sports halls and/or historical monuments used as sports venues)...

And I forgot to mention that the main legacy would have to be the Olympic village and park (built inside the city of Paris). After the games it would have become a residential area, including several public buildings (although the project was modified a bit, it's now u/c) !

I meant 7 arenas

5 temporary
1 "the dome", now the new centre court
1 the "superdome"

I'm not suggesting the plan was bad or offered no legacy.
The scope of work and amount of work Paris 2012 needed in terms of venues was not significantly different from London.

I'm not suggesting the plan was bad or offered no legacy.
The scope of work and amount of work Paris 2012 needed in terms of venues was not significantly different from London.

It terms of a bigger legacy, London obviously offered more though. i.e. the rejuvenation of the East End.

This list dosn't have all potential bidders.

Where is Hobart or Brisbane whom have expressed interest.

Hello,

I am writing a blog on Lisbon and the possibility of it hosting the 2020 Summer Olympics. I see that Budapest, Madrid, and other cities already have a video presentation (master plan) for their bids. Does Lisbon have one? Are there any proposed drawings of the venues, etc.?

I really hope Lisbon can win this bid. It would be a great host city.

Why cant South africa host Olympic so bid city is Cape Town or Durban.

I think Cape Town has a better chance of winning--especially because World Cup is in Cape Town. I'm just hoping that Lisbon gets a chance because part of my family is Portuguese. I think Cape Town could be a great host for the Games, though!

Hello,

I am writing a blog on Lisbon and the possibility of it hosting the 2020 Summer Olympics. I see that Budapest, Madrid, and other cities already have a video presentation (master plan) for their bids. Does Lisbon have one? Are there any proposed drawings of the venues, etc.?

I really hope Lisbon can win this bid. It would be a great host city.

I think Cape Town has a better chance of winning--especially because World Cup is in Cape Town. I'm just hoping that Lisbon gets a chance because part of my family is Portuguese. I think Cape Town could be a great host for the Games, though!

No, there's not even the slightest possibility of Lisbon bidding for the Olympics. Not in 2020 nor in the near future. If ever...

http://www.mmicc.org/images/to2020.jpg

:wave:

http://www.mmicc.org/images/to2020.jpg

:wave:

YEEEEES!:banana:

^^ Nooo!

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/300W/f/2010/072/d/e/Quebec_2022_Bid_Logo_by_LordDavid04.jpg

It's kinda off-topic, but here it goes:

Does Cape Town have an unusually high white population for an African city? Everytime someone posts a pic from there it's like "where's the black people?". I know the posted pics are taken from the best parts of the city and they tend to be mostly frequented by whites - but is it all there is to it?

It's kinda off-topic, but here it goes:

Does Cape Town have an unusually high white population for an African city? Everytime someone posts a pic from there it's like "where's the black people?". I know the posted pics are taken from the best parts of the city and they tend to be mostly frequented by whites - but is it all there is to it?

It is the most diverse city in the country due to a mix of many cultures.

Dutch, Portuguese, Xhosa, Malay, Indian...

its a fruit basket.

Cape Town Culture and History
Cape Town has a cosmopolitan cultural mix which has been influenced over the years mainly by the Dutch, French and British, with a significant influence also having come from Malaysia. Cape Town is home to artists and performers of every description,.
With a fascinating history going back 350 years, Cape Town offers a huge selection of museums and places of cultural interest to visit. Also to be considered are tours of the townships, a ferry trip to Robben Island or a wander through the District Six Museum.
Bo-Kaap
The so-called Malay Quarter (more correctly named the Bo-Kaap), hugs the lower slopes of Signal Hill and is a maze of narrow alleys and densely clustered flat roofed homes. The Bo-Kaap is home to a large Islamic community, many of whom are descended from slaves imported by the early European settlers from the Dutch colony of Java.
Company Gardens
The Company Gardens, located at the upper end of Adderley street, with its stately oak trees, shady paths, green lawns and lily covered ponds has a direct line of descent from the earliest settlers. When Jan Van Riebeck landed in the Cape in 1652, his first task was to plant a vegetable garden to supply the passing ships of his employers, the powerful Dutch East India Company. The modern Gardens are located at this spot and although much reduced from the original size are still a wonderful place to spend a few hours.
The Castle
Dating back to roughly the same period is the oldest European structure in South Africa, the Castle of Good Hope. The "castle" is actually a defensive fort, construction of which began barely 2 days after the arrival of the first Dutch settlers in April 1652. Although today the Castle is far away from the sea, it was originally built on the beach, Strand Street, which passes the structure is translated as "Beach Street". The area where the cape Town station now stands was originally under the ocean and has been built on land reclaimed over the years so that today the ocean is a couple of kilometres distant.
Historic Buildings
Cape Town is home to a number of historic buildings, many of them well preserved and can be visited by the public. Bertram House, in the city centre was built in the 1830's when anything much beyond Adderly Stret was farmland. The house is now a museum and gives a wonderful insight into cape Town life almost 200 years ago [Tel: 021 424 9381].
There are many more such gems to be found in and around the city, such as Koopmans De Wet House, the Groote Kerk (Big Church) in Adderley Street. Also worth a visit is the bustling open air market at Greenmarket Square, the Historic buildings and dusty book shops in Long Street (walk its length and find out how this street got its name), the huge underground Golden Acre shopping mall, the old Slave Lodge and the South African Museum [021 424 3330], to name but a few.
Website: www.museums.org.za (http://www.museums.org.za/)

^^ Nooo!

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That would be ok with me as well, Toronto is close to home, I have lots of friends in Quebec. But where will the alpine events be held? Mont Tremblant? IIRC it's the largest hill in the region, it does not have enough vertical drop.

You forgot one...

http://www.dallas2020games.com/

The USOC has said that we will not be bidding for the 2020 games, not saying that it can't change, just no American bids as of right now.

"during the Vancouver Olympics, USOC chief executive Scott Blackmun claimed there are currently no plans to bid for the 2020 games, stating "The cold and hard reality is Chicago spent approximately $80 million on its bid," Blackmun said. "It's going to be difficult to get U.S. cities to continue to invest to that level unless they think they have a realistic chance of winning. The International Olympic Committee sent us a message, loud and clear, that they don't want the Games to be in the United States...Unless we get some signs from the IOC, I think it's highly unlikely we would mount a bid on our own initiative."

It is the most diverse city in the country due to a mix of many cultures.

Dutch, Portuguese, Xhosa, Malay, Indian...

its a fruit basket.

Interesting, I've always heard about that influence back home in Malaysia. Hopefully I'll get a chance to visit it......would be great to see it

That would be ok with me as well, Toronto is close to home, I have lots of friends in Quebec. But where will the alpine events be held? Mont Tremblant? IIRC it's the largest hill in the region, it does not have enough vertical drop.

Quebec lost its last bid because IOC official feared that it would be TOO COLD. With global warming and given what we saw in Vancouver maybe they should be revising their standards.

That would be ok with me as well, Toronto is close to home, I have lots of friends in Quebec. But where will the alpine events be held? Mont Tremblant? IIRC it's the largest hill in the region, it does not have enough vertical drop.

Mont Tremblant is closer to Montreal than Quebec City, nor does it have Quebec's highest Vertical at Le Massif.

Basically one would propose what Quebec proposed in 2002, a ramp setup at either Cap du Salut (doesn't have the vertical, ramp needs to be in place, and a finishing area at/on the river) or Acropole des Draveurs (Has the vertical, but ends up in a river too).

However, with the development of far more modern techniques, it shouldn't be too difficult to increase the height of Cap du Salut (the ideal choice since it's like 50km from Quebec City, whilst Acropole des Draveurs is like 150km) to say 830 meters, then have the finishing area on land at 15 meters above sea level, providing the vertical drop of 815 meters for Men's Downhill.
This way, you have an absolute permanent ski slope that requires no ramps and can be used for championships and world cups in the future.
The only hurdles are cost (it will cost far more than 25 million, more like 100+ million) and the environmentalists (but if it passed for 2002, then it shouldn't be a problem).

It can work!

canada is never gonna host the 2020 world summer olympic games since it has jut hosted winter ones by this year.it will never happen

canada is never gonna host the 2020 world summer olympic games since it has jut hosted winter ones by this year.it will never happen

Based on what? Your ignorance? We hosted in 1996 and 2002, only 6 years apart, no reason Canada can't host 10 years apart.