Freedom Tower

http://www.wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/185000-pu.jpg

Stats

Heights

Antenna/Spire: 1,776 ft (541.3 m)
Roof: 1,368 ft (417.0 m)
Top floor: 1,362 ft (415.0 m)

Technical details

Floor count: 108 floors (82 office space)
Floor area: 2,600,000 sq ft (241,548 m²)

Floor breakdown

* Sublevels - Garage/Retail/Transportation
* Ground Floor - Main Lobby
* 1st-19th Floors (Base) - Podium (Not Occupied on the base except for lobby)
* 20th-63rd Floors - Offices
* 64th Floor - Sky lobby
* 65th - 88th Floors - Offices
* 89th and 90th Floors - Transmission equipment
* 91st - 100th Floors - Mechanical
* 100th - 101st Floors - Restaurant
* 102nd Floor - Observation deck
* 103rd - 108th Floors - Mechanical (Unoccupied)
* Top of the Building - Observation deck Two (Proposed)

Timetable

Status: Under Construction
Groundbreaking: April 26, 2006
Completion: 2009
Occupancy: First Quarter 2011


Design Overview

As the first office tower to rise on the actual World Trade Center site, the Freedom Tower recaptures the New York skyline, reasserts downtown Manhattan's preeminence as a business center and establishes a new civic icon for the country. It is a memorable architectural landmark for the city and the nation; a building whose simplicity and clarity of form will remain fresh and timeless in its design. Extending the long tradition of American ingenuity in high-rise construction, the design solution is an innovative mix of architecture, structure, urban design, safety and sustainability.

The Freedom Tower is a bold and simple icon in the sky that acknowledges the memorial below. While the memorial, carved out of the earth, speaks of the past and of remembrance, the Freedom Tower speaks about the future and hope as it rises into the sky in a faceted, crystalline form filled with, and reflecting light. This tall, pointed tower, in the tradition of great New York City icons such as the Chrysler Building and Empire State Building, evokes the slender, tapering triangular forms of these two great landmarks of midtown and replaces one quarter of the World Trade Center office space lost on September 11, 2001. (Overall, downtown lost approximately 15 million square feet of office space on September 11th.)

The tower rises from a cubic base whose square plan - 200 feet by 200 feet - is the same size as the footprints of the original Twin Towers. The base is clad in more than 2000 pieces of prismatic glass; each measures 4 feet x 13 feet 4 inches with varying depths. It has been designed to draw upon the themes of motion and light; a shimmering glass surface drapes the tower's base and imparts a dynamic fluidity of form whose appearance will reflect its surroundings. Just as the rest of the building, the base will serve as a glowing beacon.

Generous open spaces - designed in collaboration with landscape architect Peter Walker - filled with trees, water and places of respite that enliven the surrounding streets, connect the tower with the adjacent neighborhoods and allow views and access into the memorial. While incorporating enhanced security measures, the building remains open and accessible. Entrances on all four sides of the buildings, each 60 feet high and ranging in width from 30 feet on the east and west sides (for access to the restaurant and observation deck, respectively) to 50 feet on the north side and 70 feet on the south for primary tenant access, activate the building at street level.

As the tower itself rises from this cubic base, its square edges are chamfered back, transforming the square into eight tall isosceles triangles in elevation. At its middle, the tower forms a perfect octagon in plan and then culminates in a glass parapet (elevation 1362 feet and 1368 feet) whose plan is a square, rotated 45 degrees from the base. A mast containing an antenna for television broadcasters - designed by a collaboration between SOM, artist Kenneth Snelson (who invented the tensegrity structure), lighting designers and engineers - and secured by a system of cables, rises from a circular support ring, similar to the Statue of Liberty's torch, to a height of 1776 feet.

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View of the site on July 13, 2007:

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source: Mn Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mnsomero/)

Freedom Tower Archive (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=78621&page=1)

people dont really visit the NYC thread anymore since all of the mega buildings have their own threads in the supertall section.

First look at Freedom Tower lobby:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070802freedomlobby.jpg

August 7 pictures on a hot, steamy and sticky day and gray 92 F/33 C degree day...

I skipped lunch to take these pictures!

Birth of a new skyline...

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z152/jackssc/e0688c82.jpg

Tower focus:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z152/jackssc/bea4de2f.jpg

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BONUS:

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From world forums...

:lol:

Anyway..from SSP:

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And this was made by Millios from SSP:

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2528/gzle5.jpg

Great pic of the outlines where everything will go!! Gives a much better detail
of where the towers will be!

the transit hub looks like a big vagina

That's a cool site layover. I haven't seen that on SSP.

the transit hub looks like a big vagina



Only YOU would think of something like that. Haha!!:lol:

the transit hub looks like a big vagina

It can even open and close!

It can even open and close!

LOL...niiice.

i really cant wait to see this when its done its kinda sad that it wont be the tallst in north america thanks to the chicago spire whitch i think is an eye sore to any city skyline

Redesign, well, slightly:

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1208/ftrelatedimages01sx3.jpg

You get a better idea of what the crown on the roof looks like with this updated picture. I also never noticed how the tower looks more angled toward the site. Not even with the west side highway like i always thought. Looks pretty sharp.

if you go back 3 years and think about what we could have been stuck with, i can't complain at all. the freedom tower and its little friends look good to me...

i mean, check out how shitty the original freedom tower redesigns look compared to what we have now:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6615/13ek.jpg

the spire and base aren't great on the current freedom tower design, but it's a definite improvement compared to those fuckin plans

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1208/ftrelatedimages01sx3.jpg

i mean, check out how shitty the original freedom tower redesigns look compared to what we have now:

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6615/13ek.jpg

the spire and base aren't great on the current freedom tower design, but it's a definite improvement compared to those fuckin plans

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1208/ftrelatedimages01sx3.jpg

i have to say im glad it got chaged the old desing looked just as bad as the chicago spire is going to look

That was Pataki's doing. AKA Who's Your Daddy.

He was stubbornly determined to have that ugly birdcage design built, even though the NYPD tried to convince him that it would be vulnerable to an attack, he ignored their concerns and pressed on.

Yes Renton12, I never noticed that either. The Twins were put there the same way - at an angle, but if you look at there footprints, you'll see that they were perfectly aligned with Church Street, while West Street had them at an angle.

That was Pataki's doing. AKA Who's Your Daddy.

He was stubbornly determined to have that ugly birdcage design built, even though the NYPD tried to convince him that it would be vulnerable to an attack, he ignored their concerns and pressed on.

Yes Renton12, I never noticed that either. The Twins were put there the same way - at an angle, but if you look at there footprints, you'll see that they were perfectly aligned with Church Street, while West Street had them at an angle.

i'm not sure what the towers were aligned with, along with the rest of the plaza. in relation to church street, it's a little off and in relation to the neighboring buildings, it's also a little off. maybe they weren't supposed to be perfectly aligned with anything but itself (if that makes sense), but positioned well enough to fit in with the angles of the surrounding streets and buildings... or something like that

by the way, the birdcage probably has the same bulk of occupied floors as the current freedom tower. taking into account this plan's number of mechanical floors and huge base, i'm sure the two aren't too far apart. the more i think about it, the more i believe the fortress base was just a convenient way for them to add height without piling on square footage, rather than to protect the lobby. of course, the only thing that matters to me is which is more aesthetically appealing (and a 1400ft observation deck, rather than 800...) and that's obviously the latter.
- i've noticed this from the day the redesign was unveiled, but i was just wondering if anyone else agrees.

Anyone else notice how in the new rendering, the top floors/portion seem to have a slightly different facade? I can't tell if it's meant to be like that or just reflecting the lighting/angle.

Anyone else notice how in the new rendering, the top floors/portion seem to have a slightly different facade? I can't tell if it's meant to be like that or just reflecting the lighting/angle.

New Jack City:) ,
My friend,
All I have to say is, " IT's BEAUTIFUL ",
now, let's get it Completed and built and Opened by
September 11th, 2011
all i ever now dream of , Is to see this Tower at 1776 Built in MY Lifetime, PLEASE !!!:cheers:

i just nodiced that the spire kinda looks a bit like a rats tail :P


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The only thing I'm bummed about is not being able to see 1WTC's progress when i look downtown from the village (6th Ave) for a few years. At least I'll have the Foster Tower, and it's better looking imo.

is it just me or does that render above have the other building next to FT at the exact same height (or pretty close) minus the spire....

Yes, it DOES look to be about the same structural height as the Freedom Tower.

I like the triangular tower, I'm not really that wowed by the others. The freedom tower itself sticks out like a sore thumb... I'm not American, but I love New York, why didn't they try to create a modern Empire State building. What is this, Dubai?

if the darn thing is the same height as FT, then why the hell didnt they just make 2 identical??? :ohno:

Yes, it DOES look to be about the same structural height as the Freedom Tower.

Daquan:), our New York Friend:banana:,
It's a lot better than the 2003 design:bash:, and really taller for the office personnel and observation deck is higher:banana::cheers::),

Thank God it's started , and
NOW it will be built, and completed by Sept . 11th, 2011 !!!:cheers:

God Bless the U.S.A. !!!

at 1776 feet, " We The People " will prevail and survive any attack :banana: !!!:cheers::)

Daquan:), our New York Friend:banana:,
It's a lot better than the 2003 design:bash:, and really taller for the office personnel and observation deck is higher:banana::cheers::),

Thank God it's started , and
NOW it will be built, and completed by Sept . 11th, 2011 !!!:cheers:

God Bless the U.S.A. !!!

at 1776 feet, " We The People " will prevail and survive any attack :banana: !!!:cheers::)



I think you got it wrong. I'm not complaining about any of the towers at all.

AirJay78 asked a question and I was trying to answer him.

Don't get me wrong, I like the NWTC, and I can't wait to see it completed. And you're right!! '03 deesign and all else before that are all crap!!!!!!! Haha!!:lol:

if u remove the spire, does the actual meat of the tower end up taller than that of the old WTC?

Acually, the structural height of the tower was slightly shortened, but it's hardly noticable, IMO.

the freedom tower has a roof hight of 1,368 ft but the spire makes it 1776 feet

and for 200 Greenwich Street its roof hight is 1,270 ft but the spire on top makes it 1,350 ft

so its shoter but not by much thats taller then the empire state building if you go by roof hight

Daquan:), our New York Friend:banana:,
It's a lot better than the 2003 design:bash:, and really taller for the office personnel and observation deck is higher:banana::cheers::),

Thank God it's started , and
NOW it will be built, and completed by Sept . 11th, 2011 !!!:cheers:

God Bless the U.S.A. !!!

at 1776 feet, " We The People " will prevail and survive any attack :banana: !!!:cheers::)


AMEN!!!!!!

What part did you miss? Huh?

I didn't complain about the tower. I'm HAPPY with it!

the freedom tower has a roof hight of 1,368 ft but the spire makes it 1776 feet

and for 200 Greenwich Street its roof hight is 1,270 ft but the spire on top makes it 1,350 ft

so its shoter but not by much thats taller then the empire state building if you go by roof hight


it may be taller than the ESB as for roof height, but is it taller than the old twins roof height?

Seeing these renderings and how the whole complex will look I must say I like it and I can't wait to see it built.

if the darn thing is the same height as FT, then why the hell didnt they just make 2 identical??? :ohno:



Because they don't want that concept any more. None of the towers look identical anyway.^^

How accurate is the markings of the old WTC from the Memorial Footprints??

The stubs from the steel columns that were driven deep into the bedrock are still visible in the ground, marking the exact location of the towers' footprints.

it may be taller than the ESB as for roof height, but is it taller than the old twins roof height?

200 Greenwich Street froof hight is few feet taller then the esb roof and the spire is counted in its hight but it is a few feet shoter then the south tower was by its spire hight

also if u removed the spire and just counted the things that have the lights on it thats about 1400 feet the roof hight is the same as the north tower and the top floor is the same hight as the south tower i believe

As for height, I went back and look at the designs released on the net. The actual roof is 1368'. Same height as the North Tower. The South Tower was 1363'. Between the roof and the spire is that round base structure that never was fully explained in most articles about the freedom tower. Which in the new pics seems to be some sort of microwave antenna base. I guess in a way, you could consider that the actual roof. Looks like that would add about to the height like the user above mentioned.

well tower 1 was 5 feet taller than 2 because they had to add the big slab of foundation on the roof for the antenna. i wonder if they're going to have the same thing on the freedom tower or the roof itself will just reach 1368'.

well tower 1 was 5 feet taller than 2 because they had to add the big slab of foundation on the roof for the antenna. i wonder if they're going to have the same thing on the freedom tower or the roof itself will just reach 1368'.

i think that thing has the lights on it idk if thats counted but if it is then the freedom tower will be 1400 by roof hight i wonder if they will let u go out on that like the south tower use to have

I am really disappointed...looks like another glass office tower with bevelled corners. Secondly, instead of replacing the twin icons, the site was developed with a mindset similar to suburban masterplanning, with only one key tower. Politics must have gotten in the way to allow for ugly corporate building to occupy such a sacred spot.

Accept it.

Accept it.

Wow, just noticed your conspicious presence on all the other WTC threads... I guess u really, really want a single tower then, oh well it's only a matter of preference. Just don't fucking tell me to 'accept it', you sound like a retard.

Wow, just noticed your conspicious presence on all the other WTC threads... I guess u really, really want a single tower then, oh well it's only a matter of preference. Just don't fucking tell me to 'accept it', you sound like a retard.

lol, daq just has this diplomatic way about him huh? :D

Wow, just noticed your conspicious presence on all the other WTC threads... I guess u really, really want a single tower then, oh well it's only a matter of preference. Just don't fucking tell me to 'accept it', you sound like a retard.



At this point, I don't care wat happens to me;

But accept it. It's the way of life and there isn't a thing you or anyone else can do about it. You're forced to anyway, whether you want it or not. Name calling and profanity won't get it either.

If you want to complain about it, then take it to one of the "I Hate the Freedom Tower threads. I'm just so sick and tired of these anti-Freedom Tower fanatics coming here to spam the thread with their ridiculous rants for wanting the former towers back. They'e gone. Move forward.:ohno:

on the flip side, an argument can be made about people from east boston coming here and adding their repeated arrogant and unwelcomed "get over it" rants for a building thats going to be built in a place they're not even from!

However, I wont make that argument in the desire for peace on earth :D

Ahhh, screw it!!!

have u noticed that when "DIFFERENT" people share their opinion, theres only ONE person that comes here and repeats the same annoying thing... THAT IS YOU!!!

So if anyone should be sick and tired, it should be all of us!

I feel better now! lol :cheers:

My post above was not directed as an argument, but you guys tend to take it that way.

There is nothing wrong at all with people voicing and sharing their opinions. I do not have a problem at all with that.

But why keep on beating up on a dead horse, crying and whining for the same thing all the time - especially when we all know what's going on?

And if it pains you, AirJay78 that I'm from Boston and voicing my opinion about something in New York, well, tough. You're making it sound like I'm commiting a crime by doing that.

My post above was not directed as an argument, but you guys tend to take it that way.

There is nothing wrong at all with people voicing and sharing their opinions. I do not have a problem at all with that..

apparently u do since u enjoy sniping at every voice in here who dislikes FT.

But why keep on beating up on a dead horse, crying and whining for the same thing all the time - especially when we all know what's going on? .

If I was beating a dead horse over and over, then u'd be right. But I dont sit here residing over and over how FT stinks.

And if it pains you, AirJay78 that I'm from Boston and voicing my opinion about something in New York, well, tough. You're making it sound like I'm commiting a crime by doing that.

u having an opinion from boston doesnt bother me. What bothers me is ur persistance in sticking urself in everyones side with ur "HAHA, GET OVER IT" attitude while not even being from here urself!

I am really disappointed...looks like another glass office tower with bevelled corners. Secondly, instead of replacing the twin icons, the site was developed with a mindset similar to suburban masterplanning, with only one key tower. Politics must have gotten in the way to allow for ugly corporate building to occupy such a sacred spot.

it may not be the best thing in the world but i find it better to have that then just a huge hole in the ground i believe alot of the famleys woudlent want to see the same buildings that were there before and i can understand why but hey its what u think and the freedom tower is being builit on were wtc 4 5 6 and were not were the twins stand the sacred spot to me was the twins and thats were there putting the park and such so theres really nothing bad about it

apparently u do since u enjoy sniping at every voice in here who dislikes FT.



If I was beating a dead horse over and over, then u'd be right. But I dont sit here residing over and over how FT stinks.



u having an opinion from boston doesnt bother me. What bothers me is ur persistance in sticking urself in everyones side with ur "HAHA, GET OVER IT" attitude while not even being from here urself!



I could give a crap less if T to the O or anyone else dislikes the FT, and that's NOT what I was complaining about.

Apparently, and again as usual, your wires are crossed. I was complaining about him rehashing the same old thing about the former towers.

And BTW, the Twins weren't really icons. The ESB was and still is, even though it wasn't as tall.

Charmedone, you're right about that one!

it may not be the best thing in the world but i find it better to have that then just a huge hole in the ground i believe alot of the famleys woudlent want to see the same buildings that were there before and i can understand why but hey its what u think and the freedom tower is being builit on were wtc 4 5 6 and were not were the twins stand the sacred spot to me was the twins and thats were there putting the park and such so theres really nothing bad about it

I actually really appreciate square holed fountains in the park proposal. There's room to stick a new pair of towers on the original site yet maintain the original footprints. Which brings me to another issue I had, which is the size of the park in such a urban site, seems like a waste of real estate. The old WTC were hideous buildings, but I just thought it would be nice to have a new and improved 21st century version that can look entirely different. Afterall, the idea for redeveloping the site is to symbolize america's resiliance to an attack on democracy. I don't know anyone related to the victims and have little attachment to the whole idea, but it seems like the current message is a bit weak with only one key tower. Anyway just voicing my opinion, I'll still be happy when the thing is done, but it could've been better. That bastard libeskind won again...

When is this all suppose to start?

It already has.

Am I the only one who hates the stinger on top of the planned Freedom Tower?

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466735/original.jpg

Much better. However, this tower should've been a lot higher to be as iconic as the twins were. Building one tower of the same height instead of the destroyed two is terrible, almost like admitting that they won :ohno:
http://i26.tinypic.com/14ki2rk.jpg

Me too!

Do you mean without stinger on top...spire....but building even taller..maybe looking more like this???? http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3356/nnnnnnwt3largexg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

Am I the only one who hates the stinger on top of the planned Freedom Tower?

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466735/original.jpg

Much better. However, this tower should've been a lot higher to be as iconic as the twins were. Building one tower of the same height instead of the destroyed two is terrible, almost like admitting that they won :ohno:
http://i26.tinypic.com/14ki2rk.jpg

The American government already won.

Do you mean without stinger on top...spire....but building even taller..maybe looking more like this???? http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3356/nnnnnnwt3largexg3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

Yes. That stinger is ugly, especially how its positioned in the center.

The American government already won.

What? :wtf:

What? :wtf:

They won by fooling everyone into thinking terrorists were responsible for 9-11.

They won by fooling everyone into thinking terrorists were responsible for 9-11.

whatever your smokin... I'll take 2!

ok buddy, thanks for telling us

Without the spire tower looks...just pointless.
But i like the tower but mostly the whole complex. It's a shame that it will not be at least one of 3top WTB.

Am I the only one who hates the stinger on top of the planned Freedom Tower?


Much better. However, this tower should've been a lot higher to be as iconic as the twins were. Building one tower of the same height instead of the destroyed two is terrible, almost like admitting that they won :ohno:

i like it as it is, don't think it should be taller

whatever your smokin... I'll take 2!

Open your eyes. The evidence is clear that is was an inside job.

I think the spire looks just fine.

We have to remember that the designers didn't build the spire just to increase the hight to get some stupid record. They did it to reach the symbolic hight of 1776. They couldn't care less how high other buildings are, they want a hight of 1776 for no other reason then because it is symbolic for the American people.

If you don't think the spire is "fair" then judge from the roof hight.

Open your eyes. The evidence is clear that is was an inside job.
You're an idiot. Go to a doctor because you need your head checked.

You're an idiot. Go to a doctor because you need your head checked.


he's probably from the same group of people who still believe in yetie :ohno:

or little green men... wait a minute, I still believe in little green men!!!

Ah, on second thought, maybe not! :nuts:

Open your eyes. The evidence is clear that is was an inside job.

Get lost dickhead. Your hate and envy for America and it's power is obvious. Go play elsewhere.

I think the spire looks just fine.

We have to remember that the designers didn't build the spire just to increase the hight to get some stupid record. They did it to reach the symbolic hight of 1776. They couldn't care less how high other buildings are, they want a hight of 1776 for no other reason then because it is symbolic for the American people.

If you don't think the spire is "fair" then judge from the roof hight.

And it would have been great if the roof was up to 1776 feet :)

Anyway, it should've been taller than the original twin towers :(

And it would have been great if the roof was up to 1776 feet :)

Anyway, it should've been taller than the original twin towers :(

What hate and envy? I love America. New York City is probably my favourite place in the whole world.
Don't just be sucked in by what the media says. Look at pictures of The Pentagon after the so called plane crashed into it. The impact on the building is more narrow than the width of the plane's wings. And where is the plane? They said it vaporised on impact. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to vaporize metal. There is no trace that a plane even hit the building. Same goes for the crash site in Pennsylvania. If a plane crashed there there would be large portions of wreckage left, which there weren't. And the World Trade Center's shaft up the middle of the buildings should have still be intact and standing over 1000 feet high. No building would collapse in such perfect fashion unless it was strategically demolished.

Watch the video in the link.

http://www.awitness.org/journal/bush_september_11_building_demolition.html

Dream Brother...without this getting too much off the thread....If you are right...where did those planes and all their passengers disappear to? Those two planes had to land somewhere and a few hundred people have vanished. If it was a US Government conspiracy it's very convenient for Al Queda to take the heat ...and those hijackers....you reckon they flew the planes into the WTC already set with explosives.Where I try and listen to your theory...I have an open mind, is how a steel building can collapse as they did??? In my mind I can accept the pancake collapse as tons of floors above built up a momentum but to know the total collapse time was just about the same time as freefall from the same height does perplex me somewhat ???....I am not here to rant and argue but ...wow..you should be a writer for a new James Bond movie???? oh ...sorry they are all on strike.....

What hate and envy? I love America. New York City is probably my favourite place in the whole world.
Don't just be sucked in by what the media says. Look at pictures of The Pentagon after the so called plane crashed into it. The impact on the building is more narrow than the width of the plane's wings. And where is the plane? They said it vaporised on impact. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to vaporize metal. There is no trace that a plane even hit the building. Same goes for the crash site in Pennsylvania. If a plane crashed there there would be large portions of wreckage left, which there weren't. And the World Trade Center's shaft up the middle of the buildings should have still be intact and standing over 1000 feet high. No building would collapse in such perfect fashion unless it was strategically demolished.

Watch the video in the link.

http://www.awitness.org/journal/bush_september_11_building_demolition.html

Of course there aren't imprints of the wings on the Pentagon, it was made of concrete. The wings blew up. And I don't know where you are getting your information, but I've seen many pictures with plane parts from both the Pentagon and Pennsylvania.

^^WTC 1 is taller than it's previous counterpart, while WTC 2 is the same height as it's previous counerpart. I don't see why you are complaining just for the sake of complaining.

What hate and envy? I love America. New York City is probably my favourite place in the whole world.
Don't just be sucked in by what the media says. Look at pictures of The Pentagon after the so called plane crashed into it. The impact on the building is more narrow than the width of the plane's wings. And where is the plane? They said it vaporised on impact. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to vaporize metal. There is no trace that a plane even hit the building. Same goes for the crash site in Pennsylvania. If a plane crashed there there would be large portions of wreckage left, which there weren't. And the World Trade Center's shaft up the middle of the buildings should have still be intact and standing over 1000 feet high. No building would collapse in such perfect fashion unless it was strategically demolished.

Watch the video in the link.

http://www.awitness.org/journal/bush_september_11_building_demolition.html

so the US government, shot some missle into the ground in PA to stage a crash... for what purpose again??? to stage a fake failed hit on the US??? LOL! then they shot a rocket into their own building (the pentagon) killing 100s of their own people in the process... but wait, the planes that hit the WTC were filled with CIA operative death squads and all air traffic controllers and military and government staff are all sworn to secrecy??? But wait, first there were secret agents that infultrated the WTC like mission impossible and planted secret explosives only to set them off at a precise time to kill 3000+ people??? DAMN! No wonder my taxes are so damn high! Someones got to pay for missions like this huh????

And wait.... All this because???? whats the motivation my friend??? Justification for IRAQ??? YEA! That arugement went really well huh????

I think u confused the bush administration for one that can actually succeed at a mission! Imagine the government were that good enough to pull something off like what ur talking about? Iraq conflict would of been over in a week!

WOOOO HOOOO!

Someone was watching x-files a little too much!

so the US government, shot some missle into the ground in PA to stage a crash... for what purpose again??? to stage a fake failed hit on the US??? LOL! then they shot a rocket into their own building (the pentagon) killing 100s of their own people in the process... but wait, the planes that hit the WTC were filled with CIA operative death squads and all air traffic controllers and military and government staff are all sworn to secrecy??? But wait, first there were secret agents that infultrated the WTC like mission impossible and planted secret explosives only to set them off at a precise time to kill 3000+ people??? DAMN! No wonder my taxes are so damn high! Someones got to pay for missions like this huh????

And wait.... All this because???? whats the motivation my friend??? Justification for IRAQ??? YEA! That arugement went really well huh????

I think u confused the bush administration for one that can actually succeed at a mission! Imagine the government were that good enough to pull something off like what ur talking about? Iraq conflict would of been over in a week!

WOOOO HOOOO!

Someone was watching x-files a little too much!

So America would have an excuse to go to war. This ongoing war in Irag isn't even over terrorism. It's a war of oil and money.


The Pentagon after 9/11

If you have eyes, you can see
There was no jetliner

http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/pentagon-aerial.jpg

A picture I bet you've never seen before
Where's the plane?

No video this time, no long article either. None needed.

When you see the Pentagon from this angle (a vantage I bet you've never seen before), the reality of the situation is undeniable. Whatever caused this section of the Pentagon to explode and catch fire was not a passenger jetliner.

That's why you've seen photos of the Pentagon from every conceivable angle - except this one which lets you see what actually happened, and what didn't happen.

thats cuz the plane is inside the building lol...

nah but Lets see... accountability for a commercial plane??? hmmmm, easy to investigate if u ask me. I doubt that a commercial airline will partake in a secret mission to kill americans to justify a future war in the middle east. Wait, they must have that secret missing plane in a hanger at maybe.... area 51??? LOL

Please man.... get real!

And yea, that justification for war went really well huh? And the cost of pulling off a stupid idea like this???? y am I even responding to this... frankly, I rather ague with daq about FT :D

thats cuz the plane is inside the building lol...

nah but Lets see... accountability for a commercial plane??? hmmmm, easy to investigate if u ask me. I doubt that a commercial airline will partake in a secret mission to kill americans to justify a future war in the middle east. Wait, they must have that secret missing plane in a hanger at maybe.... area 51??? LOL

Please man.... get real!

And yea, that justification for war went really well huh? And the cost of pulling off a stupid idea like this???? y am I even responding to this... frankly, I rather ague with daq about FT :D

There are so many loose ends. You should read up on the conspiracy theories. You'd be intrigued.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_conspiracy.html

the whole reason the story is "underground" is because people always try to druge up some sort of conspiracy about anything.. remember the face in the smoke conpsiracy and that nostrodomous (however u spell it) predicted 9/11? remember the face on mars? remember the crying mary? the Yetie! UFO abductions! Area 51? and of course WTC! Everytime theres a major event in our lives, theres always a nitch of folks that come out of the woodworks to look for a supernatural or crazy conspiracy to help engage a sort of a warped excitement that aparently they need in their dull lives!

bottom line is that a missing commercial plane and its passangers are an easy thing to account for. The media would eat that up in a second if there were any discrepicines! Thats y those stories never stuck with the general public for more than a day...

the whole reason the story is "underground" is because people always try to druge up some sort of conspiracy about anything.. remember the face in the smoke conpsiracy and that nostrodomous (however u spell it) predicted 9/11? remember the face on mars? remember the crying mary? the Yetie! UFO abductions! Area 51? and of course WTC! Everytime theres a major event in our lives, theres always a nitch of folks that come out of the woodworks to look for a supernatural or crazy conspiracy to help engage a sort of a warped excitement that aparently they need in their dull lives!

bottom line is that a missing commercial plane and its passangers are an easy thing to account for. The media would eat that up in a second if there were any discrepicines! Thats y those stories never stuck with the general public for more than a day...

This isn't just a case of people making up stories. Read into it thoroughly. I agree many times people just try to stir things up. But look at photos of the crash site of Flight 93 and The Pentagon. There is no significant wreckage. Look up photos of plain wrecks and the plane is usually split into a few large portions and scattered debris. There are no wings, rockets, tail of the plane etc... available in the Pentagon or Pennsylvania photos. And the plane isn't buried under the rubble of the Pentagon. You would at least see the tail and wings poking threw.

In response to everything you have said: No. There would not be any LARGE pieces of the planes left. What makes you think that a plane going at 500 mph is going to leave the tail or the wings behind? Sure.

I spent 5 seconds typing "pentagon wreckage" into google and I found a site with pictures.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

And after I did that I typed in "flight 93 wreckage" and this popped up:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/4904832.stm

And that's what I found in less than a minute. I've done plenty of my own research into this subject and I've come to my own conclusions.

REGARDLESS, this is a topic about the NEW Freedom Tower, not some place for you to spout your beliefs.

Open your eyes. The evidence is clear that is was an inside job.

*pained groan* Not THIS again...

This sucks..

The 1 wtc thread is not on the main supertall forum. Can all the conspiracy dip s**ts, anti wtc boobs, Dubai humpers, and euro snobs with their political BS stop ruining that thread? Why did the mods delete my attempt at a new thread? Why after so many thread locks have they not figured out that that particular construction thread needs to be checked, and checked often? Why when there were warning have there not been bannings like they said there would be?

This sucks.

So America would have an excuse to go to war. This ongoing war in Irag isn't even over terrorism. It's a war of oil and money.


The Pentagon after 9/11

If you have eyes, you can see
There was no jetliner

http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/pentagon-aerial.jpg

A picture I bet you've never seen before
Where's the plane?

No video this time, no long article either. None needed.

When you see the Pentagon from this angle (a vantage I bet you've never seen before), the reality of the situation is undeniable. Whatever caused this section of the Pentagon to explode and catch fire was not a passenger jetliner.

That's why you've seen photos of the Pentagon from every conceivable angle - except this one which lets you see what actually happened, and what didn't happen.



Yeah, Not THIS again! Not trying to get off topic, but................,

If there was no jetliner, then why were aircraft parts found, such as jet engine parts, seats and partially-burned torn fuselage sections? Hmmm?

Besides, I thought that this thread is supposed to be about the Freedom Tower. I noticed that the other FT thread got closed. I wonder why.

There is no jetliner, because it dissentigrated upon impact.

What parts of it did, but there WERE some remains of the Boeing 757 that were there.

Even with all four hijacked planes, shattered pieces of the aircraft were still found.

Now PLEASE, let's try to get back to talking about the Freedom Tower before THIS thread gets locked.

holy fuck, not this conspiracy bullshit again. why do you guys always come out of the woodwork at the most random times? hey, look what i found; look at how shitty all the early redesigns looked. see?, back on topic.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/03/opinion/20051230_oped_TOWERS.gif

isnt the latest FT design supposed to be slightly narrower as it goes up?

yeah, it's just the angle.

http://www.projectrebirth.org/albums/album008_revised_FreedomTower/model_view_southwest.jpg
http://www.projectrebirth.org/albums/album008_revised_FreedomTower/model_view_south.jpg

i dont get it! is that 2 different concepts or is it just 1 thats angled from 1 view and straight looking on the other?

i dont get it! is that 2 different concepts or is it just 1 thats angled from 1 view and straight looking on the other?

The latter, I believe.

yeah, notice the base.

No matter what the total height to top of spire. I understand symbolizes an important year in your history in feet.(What happens when you finally go metric?). The roof of Freedom Tower (WTC 1) should have been the same as the original WTC 1 and it should have had 110 floors....that would also hold some symbolic feeling.

looking at the older desings i see that it changes in hight

and more importantly the observation deck is at a much higher floor.

^^ Yeah, I believe I've read somewhere that the observation deck will be approximately at the same height as before.

So America would have an excuse to go to war. This ongoing war in Irag isn't even over terrorism. It's a war of oil and money.


The Pentagon after 9/11

If you have eyes, you can see
There was no jetliner

http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/pentagon-aerial.jpg

A picture I bet you've never seen before
Where's the plane?

No video this time, no long article either. None needed.

When you see the Pentagon from this angle (a vantage I bet you've never seen before), the reality of the situation is undeniable. Whatever caused this section of the Pentagon to explode and catch fire was not a passenger jetliner.

That's why you've seen photos of the Pentagon from every conceivable angle - except this one which lets you see what actually happened, and what didn't happen.

sorry fellas to drag the off-topic subject on conspirecies back on the Freedom Tower thread.
I wasn't there to see the the B757 slam into The Pentagon, but,
there is footage of a test fighter plane somewhere on the web that flies right into a massive slab of concrete at 500 mph. It completely attomises to vapor apart from the very wing tips that had avoided impact due to the aircraft's wingspan being a few feet wider than the block. I cannot find this footage but
I am sure some of you would have seen of it. Watching it to me in my opinion, explaines why there is nothing that in anyway resembles aircraft parts at the site as flight 175 had hit The Pentagon an extremely sturdy structure at some 570 mph.
And unless anyone can prove otherwise. Stating anything but a passanger rebelion bringing down flight 93 is beyond disrespecting the 40 men and women who were willing to fight back and would not take the suiside attack lying down...

edit

Are there families with relatives missing as a result of that plane going into the Pentagon? Try telling them there's no plane there..

So America would have an excuse to go to war. This ongoing war in Irag isn't even over terrorism. It's a war of oil and money.


The Pentagon after 9/11

If you have eyes, you can see
There was no jetliner

http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/911/pentagon-aerial.jpg

A picture I bet you've never seen before
Where's the plane?

No video this time, no long article either. None needed.

When you see the Pentagon from this angle (a vantage I bet you've never seen before), the reality of the situation is undeniable. Whatever caused this section of the Pentagon to explode and catch fire was not a passenger jetliner.

That's why you've seen photos of the Pentagon from every conceivable angle - except this one which lets you see what actually happened, and what didn't happen.

Awesome, another 9/11 truther retard.

Let me explain how your interpretation of the picture is wrong in about thirty-five different ways.

Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon in the area shown, flying at over 500 mph at little over several feet of the ground (which we are well aware of given its appearance in security footage, manner in which damage was inflicted, and the fact the plane managed to clip several lamp posts and a transformer prior to hitting the building). Now, the Flight 77 Boeing 757-223 that hit the building was constructed largely of aluminum alloy's and composite materials which, given their light weight are used to limit the planes weight, providing maximum performance for its two high-bypass turbofans. The Pentagon, built in 1943 is constructed largely out of steel-reinforced concrete and brick, given the architectural methods of the time. Flying a largely lightweight alloy plane into reinforced concrete is not really the most effective of means of causing destruction, given the strength of concrete and its natural fireproofing nature (an effect you can illustrate by crushing a can into a concrete slab); however it is most certainly not built to prevent jet-fuel laden death traps from flying through them.

The picture you posted is not "never seen before" (it was actually published in several notable newsmagazines, as well as USA Today and local Washington D.C. newspapers), nor does it magically reveal the reality of the situation unless you have the cognizance of a squirrel. The picture fully illustrates the truth of the attack; you can obviously see the initial impact on the hull of the plane on the exterior ring wall, while the scorch marks along the aligned walls resulted from the wing impacts (aircraft wings being largely empty sans for controls for flaps and electrical systems powering the landing gear and winglets and wing lights), with the puncture points for the wing's leading edge being visible to the left most noticeably.

After the initial section of Flight 77 plowed through the first ring (taking less then a fraction of a second; the entire plane was disintegrated within under a second given the speed at which it was traveling), the midsection and tail continued to be propelled by the forward motion of the nose, piecing through the two following rings of the building, again within a fraction of a second (hell, the fire damage is clearly visible in this supposedly secret picture which, given the lack of information, or anything supplied with your interpretation is actually hurting your case), with burn damage continuing along the roofing from the enormous jet-fuel driven explosion that rocked the structure.

In one sense, you are correct - this pictures does allow you to see precisely what happened, and how said plane damaged the structure.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462361/original.jpg

Initially I was disappointed with the design, thinking NY should be alot more daring in its approach to designing the Freedom Tower as it'll be the most important building in the city (imo). But now the design is warming up to me, and complements the other WTC's quite well.

I heard though that certain traders and city workers aren't comfortable about wanting to work in that area again though, saying they'd be working in the place where 3000 people got wiped out in one day? And considering the credit crunch and the slow construction time, and the fact that there's a desired deadline to get this thing built in time, surely there is pressure now in construction?

Another worry, perhaps for city workers and Manhattanites, would be that tourists would be flocking to see these towers when they open (perhaps not enter, obviously, but to be around the area that hosts these buildings, taking snaps from the outside)..unless there a policy similar in Wall Street whereby certain areas are forbidden for tourists to go to that's only accessible for traders and workers there? I don't know.

I like to go to NYC someday when the towers get done.

Does anyone know if there are any posters out now which shows the city with its new buildings that I could possibly obtain? I currently have one showing the old twin towers that I like to keep, I like to get a new one too. :banana:

I wish this project well although I miss the original....Think the name of this thread is a bit optimistic though...2009 ?

hey evryone. i've been working on the diagram, still not completely done but heres what i have done. i have to add the floors, floor no. important floors and functions.

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3952/1wtc201209.png


if anyhting is missing please notify me and i will fix it asap. i need more updates beofre i can update the drawing. once office floors are started (mid january) updates should be alot more often

Very beautiful city, it's really a world trade center! I dream to go there and sense the city!I love New York

I'm surprised ANYONE likes the current design. It's as embarrassing as it is ugly. It looks like two graves with a marker showing the world where it all happened. I've held out hope that a similar consensus would come to be and the design would be changed (yet again) so the building could be a statement of pride rather then a monument to the cowardly and despicable act that will be forever enshrined at that location. Sorry to be harsh, it's not my nature but it's the statement the building makes that as an American simply disgusts me.

/Mitch

hey mgoldman, be careful what yu say around here, they ban people for talking like that, however i must agree, i don't think that this is the best design for a memorial, its an alright design for a regular building but definitely not a memorial building especially a 911 memorial, in a way i think the original world trade centre should be rebuilt but in another perspective i evoke change and love the new design for 7wtc and 3wtc as well as the transport hub but i don't think any of the buildings look like a world memorial. i love the way 7wtc reflects the beautiful blue sky but i think with such a massive tower being built right next to it will be a major loss for the building. i also ak myself why are they building it now? why didn't they build it earlier when 7wtc was started and why they left its construction until "supposedly" the worlds biggest downturn since the great depression then suddenly start building it. i don't know at th moment whether the freedom twer and new world trade centre are a good idea but i think that if the complex turns out as good as 7wtc is and they use glass as reflective as 7wtc this will be a great achievement

Hmm .... They're slowly growing on me, but I don't like these buildings. In fact, I wish they would rebuild the original Twin Tower structure. They, I feel, were much more iconic and you were able to say 'HEY !! It's New York' whenever they came on TV.

But I guess rebuilding them would cause outrage, although wasn't there initially a plan to rebuild them, but the Freedom Tower was selected over it ??

^^^ yes there was and i think the pan was to make them taller, i think the reason freedom's design was chosen was becuse it incoporates the park and memorial/foundations for the original towers whereas in the twin towers rebuild design i only ever saw the twin towers being rebuilt on the exact same foundations/location as the original which i belive would cause a great deal of outrage. i think this design is very plain and it does not represent the technology of our time. i guess we'll have to wait and see what happens to the freedom tower and whether it will actually look good or just terrible

Yeah but ... hmm, New York just won't be the same, will it ? At the moment, it seems as if someone as punched a hole in Downtown New York's skyline. We need to replace the tooth !!

I heard more people prefer to have the original Twin Tower structure built instead of the new Freedom Tower. I understand (and can see from the plans) that they have a memorial garden sort of thing, however I think rebuilding the Twin Towers itself would be a memorial saying 'you didn't die for nothing, and America will continue as it was before'. This suggesting that America will not surrender to the terrorists, we should carry on as before. Get me ??

when will it be complete?

end of 2013

To all those who dislike the design, I suggest you read Daniel Libeskind's book... Wouldn't hurt to know some background and what the project will actually consist of, rather than looking at a rendering and dismissing it outrightly.

Than good project to the capital of te world :okay:

I personally can't wait, its supposed to be just a bit taller than the Twin Towers themsevles, so it should be exciting come 2013.

Awesome, another 9/11 truther retard.

Let me explain how your interpretation of the picture is wrong in about thirty-five different ways.

Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon in the area shown, flying at over 500 mph at little over several feet of the ground (which we are well aware of given its appearance in security footage, manner in which damage was inflicted, and the fact the plane managed to clip several lamp posts and a transformer prior to hitting the building). Now, the Flight 77 Boeing 757-223 that hit the building was constructed largely of aluminum alloy's and composite materials which, given their light weight are used to limit the planes weight, providing maximum performance for its two high-bypass turbofans. The Pentagon, built in 1943 is constructed largely out of steel-reinforced concrete and brick, given the architectural methods of the time. Flying a largely lightweight alloy plane into reinforced concrete is not really the most effective of means of causing destruction, given the strength of concrete and its natural fireproofing nature (an effect you can illustrate by crushing a can into a concrete slab); however it is most certainly not built to prevent jet-fuel laden death traps from flying through them.

The picture you posted is not "never seen before" (it was actually published in several notable newsmagazines, as well as USA Today and local Washington D.C. newspapers), nor does it magically reveal the reality of the situation unless you have the cognizance of a squirrel. The picture fully illustrates the truth of the attack; you can obviously see the initial impact on the hull of the plane on the exterior ring wall, while the scorch marks along the aligned walls resulted from the wing impacts (aircraft wings being largely empty sans for controls for flaps and electrical systems powering the landing gear and winglets and wing lights), with the puncture points for the wing's leading edge being visible to the left most noticeably.

After the initial section of Flight 77 plowed through the first ring (taking less then a fraction of a second; the entire plane was disintegrated within under a second given the speed at which it was traveling), the midsection and tail continued to be propelled by the forward motion of the nose, piecing through the two following rings of the building, again within a fraction of a second (hell, the fire damage is clearly visible in this supposedly secret picture which, given the lack of information, or anything supplied with your interpretation is actually hurting your case), with burn damage continuing along the roofing from the enormous jet-fuel driven explosion that rocked the structure.

In one sense, you are correct - this pictures does allow you to see precisely what happened, and how said plane damaged the structure.

I think you owe this guy some respect, no matter if opinions are different. Take a deep breath. There are actually many, many more people than you think that believe this act was carried out by the government, and many more join each day. I don't know who was the "terrorist" in this attack. Up to today, for me, the real truth about 9/11 remains elusive and I don't expect it to appear anytime soon. I do know, however, that all hell has broken loose after this, and that instead of building bonds with other nations and fostering peace we as a nation have allowed or gov't to spread war and hatred based on cheap stereotypes and fueled by the media. I don't think we should worry about 9/11 anymore. I think we should instead care about fixing the gigantic mess we have and the problems we (and our government, primarily) have created. As for now, let's just return to "Freedom Tower."

New Jork is not New Jork without the twin towers!

I don't think so, New York is more than a building or in this case two, but of course the twin towers were a remarkable icon.

^^You are right, but the twin towers were a lot more than a few buildings. Would New York be New York without the statue of liberty? Should Paris be Paris without the Eiffel Tower? New York has a lot of symbols, but the ruined buildings were recognizable around the world!:yes:

I can`t understand why do you not like this stinger(spire) on top of the tower!!! I think it will be looks good!!!=)

I can't wait to visit this beautiful tower!
I actually like the new WTC project, even though the old was better IMO. :)

CF221,
"I don't know who was the "terrorist" in this attack. Up to today, for me, the real truth about 9/11 remains elusive and I don't expect it to appear anytime soon."

You're a fucking idiot!

I wish the towers would taller- if not the tallest.

^^You are right, but the twin towers were a lot more than a few buildings. Would New York be New York without the statue of liberty? Should Paris be Paris without the Eiffel Tower? New York has a lot of symbols, but the ruined buildings were recognizable around the world!:yes:

yes new york would be new york without the statue of liberty and paris would be paris without the eiffel tower, just diminished, but any real city is defined by its culture.

Now ....quick, without a second to consider.......what city is this ?
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3109/111650917751adf1c2db.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/111650917751adf1c2db.jpg/)

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those buildings were not generic skyscrapers that you could see on a hundred world city skylines...just hope the new does the same job...I wonder ? just time I guess? Loved this skyline...I really did !

Even without them, NY is still instantly recognisable as NY. The new ones could lend themselves a new persona for the city, tho I wouldnt wish the reason for their being on any city.

The title has 2009 was that the original completion date?

I am sorry to inform you that the forum member that you all knew as Zensteeldude died from injuries sustained in an auto accident on April 20th, the day before his 49th birthday.

Know that his wife and three children are alive and well and coping with this tragedy as best they can. This is the LAST post from Zen. God bless us all.


Linda

:cry:


R.I.P. Zensteeldude

Hi guys,


I made some pictures of One WTC about two weeks ago.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2576/p1090980z.jpg

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/2069/p1090981.jpg

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3316/p1090998m.jpg

wonderfull project, certanly i´ll be there when everything is done.

I just dont get the dislike/criticism for this building and development. To me it is the perfect replacement for the WTCs. My only wish is that the building itself were a bit taller to make more of a "statement". It is an elegant design, far more than the originals. And a suitable replacement as a memorial. I just dont get how anyone cannot see the design as anything but a worthy replacement. The memorial grounds are also a great way to pay respect the the lost lives.

I am sorry to inform you that the forum member that you all knew as Zensteeldude died from injuries sustained in an auto accident on April 20th, the day before his 49th birthday.

Know that his wife and three children are alive and well and coping with this tragedy as best they can. This is the LAST post from Zen. God bless us all.


Linda

That is really sad. If you ever read this Linda, I hope you and your family are keeping well and loved and supported.

RIP Zensteeldude.

Makes you realise the fragility of life.

RIP Zensteeldude, life really is to short for all of us.

So there's two threads for 1WTC

Great will be the new WTC!!!

It's Beautifull!!!

greetings from argentina

Why is it that the thread title says "2009"? :?

Was it referring to the completion? A little far-fetched eh ;)

(Guess it must be construction start then, but still, looks strange)

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lookin pretty nice! hard to believe how far its come in under 2 years.. ( I visited NYC new year 2010) got to walk by n pay my respects to the towers and all who died there on my last day in town.

Amazing photos WardNL and everyone! I think the project looks amazing thus far. I remember being in New York after the attacks for the Thanksgiving holiday and I was driving in a cab going towards lower Manhattan and you could still see some of the smoke billowing from ground zero. At first I wasn't sure what to think about the project but seeing it in pictures and of the buildings and the memorial they really have done a great job so far.

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/7779/img5709pb.jpg

Greetings from Romania....i wish i was born in the USA :)

Now ....quick, without a second to consider.......what city is this ?
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3109/111650917751adf1c2db.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/111650917751adf1c2db.jpg/)

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those buildings were not generic skyscrapers that you could see on a hundred world city skylines...just hope the new does the same job...I wonder ? just time I guess? Loved this skyline...I really did !

I didn't mind the old towers, but i think the new design will be loved and appreciated just as much when its all completed. Freedom and WTC 2 will Rock The Skyline :banana::banana::banana::banana:

sessse you didn't have to be born here, you are welcome to come here anytime you want:hi:

xzmattzx


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5555/unledzjy.jpg


Took a little liberty, hope you didn't mind.

New Renders

http://cdn.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/1316089927-rising-dbox-004-1000x562.jpg

http://cdn.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/1316089933-rising-dbox-005-1000x562.jpg

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http://cdn.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/1316089922-rising-dbox-003-1000x562.jpg


Via http://www.archdaily.com/169413/update-rising-rebuilding-ground-zero-dbox/

I really like the new WTC 1, the 2002-2003 proposals were, well...yuck! this suits better the skyline of NYC, although, I don't know about you, but they look "odd" I guess is because the Twin Towers were so perfect where they were...

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg