Please post renders with future skylines/clusters only. No single project renders unless it has got at least 3 x 100m+ highrises.

MINSK-CITY 2015

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/2947/minskcityfu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Moscow

http://*******************/gallery/d/6293-2/IBC_amp_Expocenter.jpg

Colourless render, since in this place some people seem not to understand that render made by some forumer in photoshop can not show ideal and lifelike colours.
On the picture below everything is U/C, + 3 U/C towers are not shown.
http://foto.rambler.ru/photos/jelson/Moscowhighrise/Moscow2007/Moscow2007.jpg

This place month ago:
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8917/dom5lj0.jpg

^ beautiful skyline. a lot of money is being poured out there.

At the moment there is no realistic panorama of Warsaw with whole summary of projects.

These are projects in the Wola District, visualisation from the site http://www.warszawa3d.prv.pl/indexang.html of user cichus1:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/projekty/towakol21sZ.jpg

RcowkI5r3Nw

These are visualizations of the City Center District:

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/etgergf54.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/projekty/centorvasavia2.jpg

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/yurtuy54f.jpg

Some of the proposed towers may be taller, and some won't be built finally. Both clusters eventually will create one skyline.

I guess this photo can represent a bit of Warsaw's future skyline, although it includes Libeskind tower only(photo by Pstrykacz, edit by me :) )
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7171/v12xsv2.jpg

Both clusters eventually will create one skyline.

When it happens, Warsaw will propably have the largest skyline in Europe. :cheers:

I'm not sure how much these will be best in EE, but there are some highrise complexes worth noticing.

Yekaterinburg City:
Currently its in initial phases of construction (so far work is being done on clearing land and setting up equipment).

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2276/38930329ry2.jpg

Vorota Prikamya:
A series of residential towers 42, 36 and 23 floors to be built in Perm. Construction scheduled to begin in August.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/4111/48662703wu8.jpg

Volgograd City:
Buisness/residential district to become the main cluster in Volgograd. Currently in initial phase of construction with work first being done on a 100m office building.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7689/gggbh6.jpg

Please keep it inside Eastern Europe. This isn't for asian cities like Yekaterinburg or Vladivostok

Please keep it inside Eastern Europe. This isn't for asian cities like Yekaterinburg or Vladivostok
Ekaterinburg, Perm and Volgograd are in EE ;)

^^yeah sure, why not have Astana and Ankara here as well then?

any renders with the Hines Tower in Warsaw? oh, and Wroclaw will also have a great skyline by then.

Bucharest Proposal

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8200/96342312mz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9021/81225924po7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://www.uia-architectes.org/texte/news/2a1j1a.html

http://www.uia-architectes.org/texte/news/2a1j.html

Upper Silesian Metropolitan Union - Skyline 3015

Union of 54 neighbouring cities in the Silesian Voivodeship, Poland
Its combined population as of 3015 was 18.9 million (90% chinese people)
Mayor: Piotr Han
Official languages: Chinese, Poglish, Old Polish, Silesian

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/5717/sealeveleuropemaput1.jpg

Katowice
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Coruscantsky.jpg/800px-Coruscantsky.jpg

^
Wroclaw?:bash: :bash: :bash:


Thats Katowice - I see the Spodek!!!

http://www.pictureninja.com/pages/poland/spodek.jpg

^^
edited ;)

Lithuania,

Vilnius, first of all, a crapy old and a bit incorrect render:
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/vilniusskylinepagalplana7tt.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/15_1.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/13_1.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/16_1.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/19_1.jpg

http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/17_1.jpg

Kaunas
http://foto.terpe.lt/inkelti/20070717/kaunasskyline20102qi.jpg


Klaipeda

A bit incorrect also - the highiest tower will be 30m highier than it is drawn here and reach 186m. (c)Arturas from lithuanian architecture forum (http://www.miestai.ahost.lt/forumas)
http://foto.miestai.net/inkelti/20061111/a1.jpg
http://foto.miestai.net/inkelti/20061111/a2.jpg
http://foto.miestai.net/inkelti/20061111/a3.jpg
http://foto.miestai.net/inkelti/20061111/a4.jpg
http://foto.miestai.net/inkelti/20061111/a5.jpg


Latvia, Riga:
http://www.koncertzale.lv/images/gallery/2170.png

Bratislava
not complete though, couple buldings are missing on this schema

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3415/tc1kb7.png

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/426/twincity2mb3.png

stolen from this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=434356&page=4

Wroclaw:
renderings colleagues of FPW
SKY TOWER
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3945/skytowerif1.jpg
220+110+102+78+78+78+78
now in progress
http://polskapilka.republika.pl/ssc/Poldek-rozbiorka06.JPG
demolition of Poltegor (105m)
Centrum Poludniowe:
http://www.redcordoba.com/img/noticias/278333_2.jpg
130+105+105+90+90+90
Epi centrum
http://www.bit-info.pl/gfx/epicentrum/01_epi.jpg
ab. 100m
Sikorskiego
Odra Tower
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/wroclawczyk/odratowerrs6.jpg
130m
River view ab. 80/100m
CLA Tower
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/26/30/2630.jpg
170m (probably)
EAST
Olawa Riverside
http://www.grywal.magma-net.pl/sky/olawa5.jpg
140+120m
Grunwaldzki Center
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/jakub123/grunwaldzki_center/render3_29III.jpg
ab. 55m (in left old buildings: Kredka 85m and Olowek 70m - University of Wrocław)
North
brevery center
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/browar.jpg
100m
Odra Towers
http://www.aedas.com/siteadmin/images/projects/257_fullsize_1.jpg
55+55+55
West
Kosmonaltow
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/zachd.jpg
and 1 of more visualisation of post VaderWroclaw
http://i12.tinypic.com/62rj98n.jpg
link to thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=483211

Budapest 2015 (?)
http://faky.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/7860_fotogaleria_n2gif.jpg

-Ataman

100m
Odra Towers
http://www.aedas.com/siteadmin/images/projects/257_fullsize_1.jpg


i dont think it is 100m tall:lol:

i dont think it is 100m tall:lol:
wil
:) odra towers should have 55+55+55m
100m should have tower in brawery
:) thx

3 of them are already standing, 5 already under construction, rest in planning phase.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2775/panorama1oa7.png

it wouln't be best, but looking good 4 sure :)
Zelenograd. right near the Moscow.
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/3603/65158157rd3.jpg

Damn Bratislava's future is really looking impressive! :cheers:

True, looks great, only thing spoiling the view is that huge chimney.

^
chimney is not used so it's only matter of time,when will be demolished.

3 of them are already standing, 5 already under construction, rest in planning phase.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2775/panorama1oa7.png


still missing "Zona Chalupkova" :)
http://reality.etrend.sk/images/0706/zona3_text.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=482780

"Bucharest’s Manhattan" masterplan/height approved 2 x 45 Floors, 6x30f, 5x28f, 7x20f


9. Manhattan-ul Bucurestean / 2x 45 floors, 6x30f, 5x28f, 7x20f, 12x12f
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/454609264_f028e5ed89_o.jpg

Part of a future Wroclaw skyline: new project of Sky Tower,

Height: 258m
Cost: $500 million
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/1822/skytowerqr6.jpg

Warsaw

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/muszynianka/wttwiev304.jpg

Second skyline
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4768/wpiws102007ajt8.jpg

2015

1. Moscow (if it goes on like that)
2. Istanbul (already 2x +250 u/c)
3. Warsaw (always good for surprises, could beat Istanbul simply with some tall towers in the correct location)

there aren't more skylines in EE yet.

I bet that by 2012 Warsaw will have some towers between the heights of 250-300m U/C so we will be on time for 2015. Land is so expensive that it will become unprofitable to build lower buildings in the City centre.

Ps: there are Rumours of a 250m tower for Warsaw already on the Polish forum. ONLY RUMOURS SO FAR

And yet another tower in Warsaw. Project by Ghelamco, 280m

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a6/muszynianka/280metrehoog.jpg

http://www.beursduivel.be/Pools_bouwproject_voor_Ghelamco-38389.news
http://users.pandora.be/murano/P9140109.JPG

Art Park building- 180 m
Chopin Tower- 160m

Proposed:
and:Five towers 120-180m

Others are still planing
Istanbul and Moscow are building
Stop dreaming
keep building

;) ;) ;)

^^ This is not dream. sun&sun.
Ghelamco has 300 hectare building ground in Warsaw:) .

Complex Art Park-will be in Wola district-near Hotel Hilton and Warsaw Trade Tower.330 000m2
180 m- office tower
160 m(Chopin tower)- office,residential (76250m2 resid.) tower.
architect:M.&J-M Jaspers - J. Eyers & Partners
Start planned: autumn 2007

the dreaming part was not refered to the project but in general to all proposals posted here. I can remember some people showing photoshoped pictures "my city in 2007" but what happened? Nothing! Just Moscow came out of nothing!

IMO...Bratislava is leading! ;)

^^ Yes Bratislava seems to be quite good in category of pop. 450.000 cities:cheers:

"Bucharest’s Manhattan" masterplan/height approved 2 x 45 Floors, 6x30f, 5x28f, 7x20f

^^ Approved ...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14344325&postcount=318

... and there are about 10 other highrises (100m+) approved (some U/C) in Bucharest. It is also true that approved projects does not mean that will be constructed ... 100%

^^ Approved ...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=14344325&postcount=318
... and there are about 10 other highrises (100m+) approved (some U/C) in Bucharest. It is also true that approved projects does not mean that will be constructed ... 100%
^^ good news:)
2015:
Moscov
Istanbul
Warsaw
Bucharest- Bratislava
Kyiv
Wroclaw
Vilnus
Sarajevo
Zagreb
Talinn
Ryga

seem to be the most realistic list so far.

Then again, what's the former Constantinople doing in the chart?
And no offense to B&H, but Sarajevo doesn't look very EE or European or even Balkan........

Bratislava "skyline"

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1307/1386091483_a7469ee05b_b.jpg

Just to clear up something that needs to be done every once and a while, especially about skyline contests.
Turkey is not Europe, and it's not Eastern Europe in case people are bickering.
But that aside, we have our own views on what is the EE, and we overlook Finland or Greece, for plenty of reasons, but since we overextend it to the south to the Balkans, for this kind of competitions, we don't have a problem with them, and Turkey has its place here, but for fairness sake, just like with Russia, we only accept their European parts, otherwise we would simply be crushed

And no offense to B&H, but Sarajevo doesn't look very EE or European or even Balkan........

Why not?

alright... constraction of Russia tower have started officially

alright... constraction of Russia tower have started officially
Give us a picture to see these Russia tower!

116 floors, 612 meters
some renders
http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pub/images/9682/806682188.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pub/images/9682/1289504101.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pub/images/9682/1449525163.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pub/images/9682/2085349474.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pub/images/9682/1860453435.jpg
and those who understand russian can watch that
5YO5NziEAcs

I like it! 612 m... WOW!

116 floors, 612 meters
some renders
and those who understand russian can watch that

Sir Norman Foster is the architect right?

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/content/press/306/1405_FP209838.jpg http://www.fosterandpartners.com/content/press/306/1405_FP209835.jpg

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/content/press/306/1405_FP209836.jpg

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/content/press/306/1405%20NY%20070918%20d014Pr.jpg

http://www.fosterandpartners.com/content/press/306/1405%20NY%20070918%20d019Pr.jpg

Sir Norman Foster is the architect right?
Yes:)

Jesus! They had to bring priests... figures. :lol:

^
As funny as that looks, I kind of like it.

I like it too! It's different and certainly memorable. I also find it fascinating that two of the tallest buildings on earth will have an almost identical footprint.

Didn't they cancel this piece of crap?
This tower has made me hate old dumb senile Fostfucker
I had to endure all the crap when the new designs came out, now I'll have to endure all that crap again.
Tower of Russia is on probation around the EE forum, on counts of being too ugly :D

^^ Oh come on man, there are quite a few people on SSC who do like this tower. I'd say it's a split down the middle... I think a lot of people who "hate" this tower would love to see it built in their own cities. I know for a fact that if this was being built in Sofia or Calgary, I'd be pretty happy...

Didn't they cancel this piece of crap?
This tower has made me hate old dumb senile Fostfucker
I had to endure all the crap when the new designs came out, now I'll have to endure all that crap forever.

Fixed :devil:

I'm with 3tmk, the first renderings for Russia tower were much better. Why oh why they had to go and change it...:ohno:

Why oh why they had to go and change it...:ohno:
Because it was too ugly. ;)

Then again, what's the former Constantinople doing in the chart?
And no offense to B&H, but Sarajevo doesn't look very EE or European or even Balkan........

Istanbul is there because its in europe, my friend from the former Ottoman empire. I am not trying to be rude (and im not turkish, im romanian), but im just giving my point of view.

I'm with 3tmk, the first renderings for Russia tower were much better. Why oh why they had to go and change it...:ohno:

:yes:

Istanbul is there because its in europe, my friend from the former Ottoman empire. I am not trying to be rude (and im not turkish, im romanian), but im just giving my point of view.
I am from former Bulgarian, Roman and Byzantine Empires. Ottomans are not counted because they are backward.
Welcome to the EE forum you Asia Minor supporter! :ohno:

^^ Oh come on man, there are quite a few people on SSC who do like this tower. I'd say it's a split down the middle... I think a lot of people who "hate" this tower would love to see it built in their own cities. I know for a fact that if this was being built in Sofia or Calgary, I'd be pretty happy...

That's because in Bulgaria we're desperate :D

^^ I'd hate to say it 3tmk, but we are desperate indeed. You're right about that one. Hell, we call anything over 20 stories a skyscraper... At least the Bulgarian media did once upon a time!

116 floors, 612 meters

and those who understand russian can watch that


It is quite controversial tower but I like it very much, big country = big tower. Finally Moscow gets tall and well designed tower. I'm looking forward for hearing from site...
Foster's buildings are sometimes hard to appreciate ( but always well design, iconic, with some idea in it) and people may like or dislike them, but one is true - they don't leave anyone indifferent in positive meanning of course - that's one of roles of modern architecture IMHO. Anyway, great news! Good luck!
In Poland there are priests at every construction site start too - :ohno:

By the way, what are grounds in Moscow like in terms of building tall towers? Do contractors have to avoid deep digging? What is the ground structure more or less?

Newest visualisation of Sky Tower (258m) in Wroclaw. Not bad for my taste. :cheers:

http://zapodaj.net/images/76779367.jpg

Holy shit, 1000xs improvement! I hated the whole, skybridge thing. Let them finally settle with this design and go ahead and build it. :cheers:

In the right part of the picture you can see 4 new skyscrapers planned(one is u/c) near Moscow City
http://i011.radikal.ru/0710/89/7711ac1dd6a3.jpg

by Dziki REX- Gdansk 2012 (probably :) )
http://images31.fotosik.pl/9/142b57b59ff4130d.jpg (www.fotosik.pl)

I am from former Bulgarian, Roman and Byzantine Empires. Ottomans are not counted because they are backward.
Welcome to the EE forum you Asia Minor supporter! :ohno:

Take that! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Skyscrapers under construction in Istanbul:


Diamond of Istanbul:
271m
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/107/kopyasfd20uia200095wk.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/199/dio1jx7.jpg



Sapphire Istanbul:
261m
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3300/sapphirejl6.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2396/sapphire2be7.jpg

Istanbul Flora Centre (ooopss Asian side)
120m
http://ya2005.yeniasir.com.tr/10/20/gunluk/himgs/ekon5-1.jpg

http://i21.tinypic.com/15y8xld.jpg



Istanbul Palladium (ooop asian side)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3097/palladiumtn8.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/nzkgzs.jpg

Istanbul Selenium Complex 140m
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4756/seleniumkq2.jpg



Istanbul Kempinski 127m
http://www.gnproje.com/popup/b1_big.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7751/kempiee1.jpg


Maslak Tower 135m
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5023/maslakbabyym4.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4760/maslakbaby2jm4.jpg


Istanbul Mallpark 190-200m
http://www.adnankazmaoglu.com/images/mallpark06.jpg
http://www.adnankazmaoglu.com/images/mallpark05.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/854/mallparkuj9.jpg


Mecidiyeköy Plaza 170m
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3632/01jk5vm0.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/zhjakob/Projects/03va0.jpg


Istanbul BuYaka ca 115m
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8792/buyaka2kj8.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4274/buyakatq2.jpg


Istanbul AI Tower 105m
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/BJV5/TR/IMG_5593.jpg


I am lazy to go on! I decided to talk about real facts with you since this is skyscrapercity.com and not tellmeyourcomplexes.com. So it will be Moscow or Istanbul, one of these two cities.

Take that! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Skyscrapers under construction in Istanbul:


Diamond of Istanbul:
271m
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/107/kopyasfd20uia200095wk.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/199/dio1jx7.jpg



Sapphire Istanbul:
261m
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3300/sapphirejl6.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2396/sapphire2be7.jpg

Istanbul Flora Centre (ooopss Asian side)
120m
http://ya2005.yeniasir.com.tr/10/20/gunluk/himgs/ekon5-1.jpg

http://i21.tinypic.com/15y8xld.jpg



Istanbul Palladium (ooop asian side)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3097/palladiumtn8.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/nzkgzs.jpg

Istanbul Selenium Complex 140m
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4756/seleniumkq2.jpg



Istanbul Kempinski 127m
http://www.gnproje.com/popup/b1_big.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7751/kempiee1.jpg


Maslak Tower 135m
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5023/maslakbabyym4.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4760/maslakbaby2jm4.jpg


Istanbul Mallpark 190-200m
http://www.adnankazmaoglu.com/images/mallpark06.jpg
http://www.adnankazmaoglu.com/images/mallpark05.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/854/mallparkuj9.jpg


Mecidiyeköy Plaza 170m
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3632/01jk5vm0.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/zhjakob/Projects/03va0.jpg


Istanbul BuYaka ca 115m
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8792/buyaka2kj8.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4274/buyakatq2.jpg


Istanbul AI Tower 105m
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/BJV5/TR/IMG_5593.jpg


I am lazy to go on! I decided to talk about real facts with you since this is skyscrapercity.com and not tellmeyourcomplexes.com. So it will be Moscow or Istanbul, one of these two cities.


great!
:cheers:

http://images32.fotosik.pl/9/aaefea068438039b.jpg

I really like Istanbul Mallpark & Diamond of Istanbul :okay:

Some render of the proposed 175m skyscraper near Moscow City

http://i008.radikal.ru/0710/31/220848dea70c.jpg

^^Thank you Sun&Sun. Nobody ever doubted that the modern Turkish republic is much more progressive than the Ottoman Empire. We have to thank Ataturk for that. Good job!

great!
:cheers:FFS you quote 20 pics just to write "great"? Sorry but what's your iq? :bash: :bash:

Who's the architect of that gherkin tower in Moscow?

^^Thank you Sun&Sun. Nobody ever doubted that the modern Turkish republic is much more progressive than the Ottoman Empire. We have to thank Ataturk for that. Good job!

Well nowadays being progressive means having stable economy, infrastructure and developed cities while being progressive in former times was defined differntly. When I look at a Europe that killed people because of their different religious just 70 years ago or a Europe that conquered Latin America killed the inhabitants and make the rest change their religion and language or a British Empire whose influence can be still seen over the world or A France that massacared Africans or any European nation that exploited their colonies Ottoman were quite progressive and lieberal.

Please, keep this for yourself. I wish the Ottoman empire never existed. It's worse even than the USSR's communism. At least the Russians are civilised people.

Don't fear! As long as Bulgaria reaches a certain level in economy and in general development the mentality of the population will change too. You'll lose this backward hatred mentality and one day you'll realize that Turks are as normal as any nation in this world. The more backward a country the more hatred it owns. It was the same case in Europe before the EU was astablished. Maybe you are a lost generation but the next one will have a heatly mentality.


Back to skylines:

1. Moscow or Istanbul Levent
2. Warsaw or Istanbul Maslak
3. Istanbul Sisli

I don't see any other potential in eastern Europe for a real skyline yet.

FFS you quote 20 pics just to write "great"?

:lol: My thoughts exactly.

I have nothing against Turks :) I have against the Ottoman empire :)

You see...the Greeks already reached that certain level of economic development, they are even far ahead of Turkey and they don't like the Ottoman empire too.

I have nothing against Turks :) I have against the Ottoman empire :)

You see...the Greeks already reached that certain level of economic development, they are even far ahead of Turkey and they don't like the Ottoman empire too.

No, that's not true. There are real fanatics but most of the Greeks have good realtionships with Turks. Beside this I wouldn't feel different if anyone taked Istanbul away from me :D I can understand their pain :cheers:

Yeah, you may feel very content about taking something from someone. We don't. Perhaps that's the reason we don't like the Ottoman empire and we are all glad it collapsed. Actually we helped it collapse and we're glad we did that. Anyway, that empire is no more. BTW why are we talking about the dead? You can either say something good about a dead person...or keep quiet. Let's keep quiet, cause I can't recall anything good about the Ottoman empire :)

I have nothing against Turks :) I have against the Ottoman empire :)

You see...the Greeks already reached that certain level of economic development, they are even far ahead of Turkey and they don't like the Ottoman empire too.

Ok than one day Bulgarians will see that Ottomans weren't that bad and that you influenced yourself with sensless propaganda! In former times you had to be mighty and big in order to survive. Either you conquer as much as you can and grow or you will be conquered and by someone else! The Ottomans chose the first way since they had some potential. Ottoman Empire isn't the first or only empire that conquered others.

British Empire: English is still an official language in India, Hong Kong was part of it until 2000, USA exist thanks to them but where are the Indians? What about Australia? Why do so many peoples speak english?

Spanish: Whole Latin America was exploited, inhabitans killed. The survived ones had to change religion and language. Nowadays there isn't any origin culture in Latin America. Only european, especially Spanish culture.

Portugal: The same happened here too.

German: Only 70 years ago Germans dreamed of a German world. Innocent people had to die because of their different religious background.

France+Netherland+Britain: These countires are the main factor why Africa is not developed today! I don't think we have to talk about that. Beside this you know what France did in Afrika.

Today's biggest empire: How many innocent people were killed because of the USA, how many wars did they start?

Ottoman Empire: Ruled 3 countries for 5 centuries. Did anyone has to change his culture, language or religion? We speak here about 500 years and all cultures in Ottoman Empire could survive. Is there any region where Turkish is spoken like Spanish in Latin Amerika, English in America, Austrlia or India or French in Africa? Was any people killed because he wasn't muslim? You might not like the Idea begin ruled by foreigners for 500 years but this was how things worked. You eat or you got eaten!

Ottoman Empire: Ruled 3 countries for 5 centuries. Did anyone has to change his culture, language or religion? We speak here about 500 years and all cultures in Ottoman Empire could survive. Is there any region where Turkish is spoken like Spanish in Latin Amerika, English in America, Austrlia or India or French in Africa? Was any people killed because he wasn't muslim? You might not like the Idea begin ruled by foreigners for 500 years but this was how things worked. You eat or you got eaten!

Well, before the Ottomans came, Bulgarians were slightly more than the English. Now we are 8 million and they are 80 million. That's due to countless acts of ethnic cleansing, religious cleansing, etc. Not to mention the jannisaries and such travesty. Millions of Bulgarians were killed by the Ottomans and I can't call this "liberal" and "democratic". Most of our medieval castles, old towns were completely destroyed by the Ottomans. Most of our medieval churches and monasteries too. Bulgarians had to pay times higher taxes in your so-called "liberal" empire.

I'm glad it's no more. I prefer being part of USSR than part of this uncivilized rotten empire. Anyway, not only us, but all the european countries affected by the Ottomans don't like it too. Just ask about it the Serbs, the Greeks, the Hungarians, the Austrians, etc. Noone likes that empire.

And it's not because it brought another religion. The Arabs in Spain were also muslims, but noone dislikes them. They built lots of roads, palaces, towns, etc in Spain and southern France. The Ottomans only destroyed, razed and tortured the local population. We're not guilty for hating them. They deserve nothing but despise.

How many innocent thread have you guys already killed with this bulshit?

Well, I'll be damned! It seems the devil got into the SQL code and has posessed it.http://forum.softpedia.com/uploads/post-35292-1149105424.gifhttp://forum.softpedia.com/uploads/post-35292-1149105447.gif
Otherwise I can't understand all this Ottoman pros and cons ranting on a thread called Best Future Skyline in EE - 2015. Yep, it must be an SQL fluke of some sort... :)

Well, before the Ottomans came, Bulgarians were slightly more than the English. Now we are 8 million and they are 80 million. That's due to countless acts of ethnic cleansing, religious cleansing, etc. Not to mention the jannisaries and such travesty. Millions of Bulgarians were killed by the Ottomans and I can't call this "liberal" and "democratic". Most of our medieval castles, old towns were completely destroyed by the Ottomans. Most of our medieval churches and monasteries too. Bulgarians had to pay times higher taxes in your so-called "liberal" empire.

I'm glad it's no more. I prefer being part of USSR than part of this uncivilized rotten empire. Anyway, not only us, but all the european countries affected by the Ottomans don't like it too. Just ask about it the Serbs, the Greeks, the Hungarians, the Austrians, etc. Noone likes that empire.

And it's not because it brought another religion. The Arabs in Spain were also muslims, but noone dislikes them. They built lots of roads, palaces, towns, etc in Spain and southern France. The Ottomans only destroyed, razed and tortured the local population. We're not guilty for hating them. They deserve nothing but despise.


I give up, I won't try to show you that your statements and information aren't correct. I won't blame you for this but you are a lost generation in this case. I know I won't be able to change your opinion since you were told how bad the Ottomans were when you were a child. But "some" Bulgarian forumers should really stop to show their hatred in every topic, it causes only trouble.

Well, I'll be damned! It seems the devil got into the SQL code and has posessed it.
Otherwise I can't understand all this Ottoman pros and cons ranting on a thread called Best Future Skyline in EE - 2015. Yep, it must be an SQL fluke of some sort...

Hahahhahah :)

Well...you know, the SSC uses that goddamn memcached as a SQL cache tier...blame the memcached's devs :)

Back to skylines:

1. Moscow or Istanbul Levent
2. Warsaw or Istanbul Maslak
3. Istanbul Sisli


Sorry but IMO Istanbul really has to improve the quality of its scrapers if it somehow wants to compete with Moscow! some of the buildings are real eyesores and even the best are significantly under Moscow quality-wise.

sun&sun, all I can say is WOW. Some of those skyscrapers are really awesome and have an interesting design (one of them looks like a giant USB flash drive:).
Good stuff :cheers:

Istanbul really has to improve the quality of its scrapers ! some of the buildings are real eyesores.But as far as the skyline is concerned Istanbul will have a very good one, (according to the renders)

Sorry but IMO Istanbul really has to improve the quality of its scrapers if it somehow wants to compete with Moscow! some of the buildings are real eyesores and even the best are significantly under Moscow quality-wise.

There is nothing to be sorry about but didn't you see the new projects I posted above! I agree our first skyscrapers were blue boxes but the newest projects kick ass!

^^imo their nothing special some of them are fine thats all...

Ekaterenburg. Russia.
by 2015. (more highrises could b added)
http://www.e1.ru/fun/photo/view_pic.php/o/4f6bc00fabd54356cd463df1f5aaeb8a/view.pic

and current.
http://www.e1.ru/fun/photo/view_pic.php/o/4459c501dc5ffe7ffce5d872c208a0fc/view.pic

^^ I hope Yekaterinburg will be in EE by 2015 :)

Sorry but IMO Istanbul really has to improve the quality of its scrapers if it somehow wants to compete with Moscow! some of the buildings are real eyesores and even the best are significantly under Moscow quality-wise.

Interestingly some of those Moscow skyscrapers are building by Turkish companies like Federation Tower.

On the other hand Istanbul has some ugly skyscrapers but we started to build them in early 90's so some of them outdated but they still have quality while skyscraper trend started in 2000's in other countries of EE.

Interestingly some of those Moscow skyscrapers are building by Turkish companies like Federation Tower.


I know that makes it even more difficult to understand:)

Like i explained we have outdated ones because they are old projects, old designs and built with little money while all new projects have quality look.
But believe me all Istanbul's skyscrapers look quality and great from street level maybe beause of atmosphere of the city.

^^imo their nothing special some of them are fine thats all...

I don't know how many topic you had opened if only one of these skyscrapers (for example: Diamond of Istanbul) was u/c in your city? :cheers: ;)

^^I didn't open any topic yet so propably 0 :)

maybe because there aren't any constructions ;) Just joking! You don't have to like the projects in Istanbul but in my opinion they are 10000x better than our blue boxex built in 90's.


Especially these ones are above european standarts or belong to the best ones (my opinion)

Diamond of Istanbul 271m
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/107/kopyasfd20uia200095wk.jpg

Sapphire Istanbul 261m
http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/project/uploaded_files/864_385%20Tabanlioglu%20Sapphire.jpg

Dubai Towers Istanbul 300m:
http://istanbulmetro.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/dubaitowersistanbul.jpg

Garden life Plaza:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/zhjakob/Projects/1-50.jpg

Beside this Foster designs a twin complex (2x250m) for an empty plot in Istanbul,

I personally rate Warsaw before Istanbul so dunno...these guys have quite astonishing projects and skyline. Warsaw is an amazing city IMO..

Eastern Europe?,i think Warsaw's skyline.

Istanbul!!!!

Yep, after Moscow and Warsaw.

Why are you guys "fighting" about which skyline is better? It's like you're trying to force the other people to like the skylines that you like.

Nobody has an expert opinion here, you're just stating your own opinions.



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About those Istanbul projects above... I don't really like the Diamond, but I like the other ones. Hopefully Foster will come up with some interesting towers as well.

Why are you guys "fighting" about which skyline is better? It's like you're trying to force the other people to like the skylines that you like.

Nobody has an expert opinion here, you're just stating your own opinions.



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About those Istanbul projects above... I don't really like the Diamond, but I like the other ones. Hopefully Foster will come up with some interesting towers as well.

No one is "fighting" bgrs is just trying with little afford to show Istanbul third in the ranking behind Warsaw and Moscow, that's all! I don't care what others think as long as I drive everyday through the Levent and Maslak clusters in Istanbul and see the constructions rising. I think the guys from Warsaw and Moscow don't think differently since everyone with skyscrapers is concentrated on his own skyline.

No one is "fighting" bgrs is just trying with little afford to show Istanbul third in the ranking behind Warsaw and Moscow, that's all! I don't care what others think as long as I drive everyday through the Levent and Maslak clusters in Istanbul and see the constructions rising. I think the guys from Warsaw and Moscow don't think differently since everyone with skyscrapers is concentrated on his own skyline.

A really balanced statemet. Good job!

It's the "Best future skyline" after all. I have my right to have an opinion, don't I?

^^ Well... that's what I was saying... just because it's your opinion it doesn't actually make it the best.

Anyway... I think this was a flawed topic from the beginning... the thread should have been simply called "Future EE Skylines"

For now, Warsaw has the best (IMO, of course) skyline in EE. In the future, Istanbul may surpass it. Moscow doesn't stand a chance because of... history. They can build great buildings in the area around Federation Tower, but when you'll look at the overall skyline and see the bunch of commies and stupid highrise residentials you'll not be very pleased.

For now, Warsaw has the best (IMO, of course) skyline in EE. In the future, Istanbul may surpass it. Moscow doesn't stand a chance because of... history. They can build great buildings in the area around Federation Tower, but when you'll look at the overall skyline and see the bunch of commies and stupid highrise residentials you'll not be very pleased.

So by your standards you can have a cluster of a handful of highrises a little over 100m and call it the best skyline in EE (there are probably several of those already). By far, Moscow has more buildings over 100m than any other Eastern European city.

So by your standards you can have a cluster of a handful of highrises a little over 100m and call it the best skyline in EE (there are probably several of those already)
Are you refering to Istanbul?

Are you refering to Istanbul?

No, more like to Warsaw, Bratislava, Vilnius.

of corse because Moscow or Istanbul have three or more times larger population, potential and money than these cities' countries.

Well, that's stupid. Those cities are part of the EU and the EU has much larger population and money than both Russia and Turkey together. Anyway, that's offtopic.

Oh by the way, the best skyline in EE will neither be Moscow, Warsaw, Istanbul.

Here's a sneak peak for whats to come for an EE city not much talked about here :cheers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/aleksey-kuznetsow/MM1.jpg
http://img.date.by/news/img(4040).jpg
http://www.cuubuus.at/upload/pictures_resized/1187866340_0.jpg
http://img.tut.by/n/2oblik2.jpg
http://forum.esmasoft.com/files/119_im_0002_682.jpg

EU is not a country.
I do not get what is the realition between London, Paris, Frankfurt with Bratislava(for example), Do Frenchs build skyscrapers in Sofia because it's an EU city:nuts:

So by your standards you can have a cluster of a handful of highrises a little over 100m and call it the best skyline in EE (there are probably several of those already). By far, Moscow has more buildings over 100m than any other Eastern European city.

No, but you can have a handful of 200+ skyscrapers (like Istanbul will probably have) and some other 100+ ones and an overall decent skyline and voila: a much better looking skyline than that of Moscow's.

Don't get me wrong, I love how the area around Fed Tower is developing, but the rest of the city is not that great with all the commies or stupid highrise residentials.:bash:

For now, Warsaw has the best (IMO, of course) skyline in EE. In the future, Istanbul may surpass it. Moscow doesn't stand a chance because of... history. They can build great buildings in the area around Federation Tower, but when you'll look at the overall skyline and see the bunch of commies and stupid highrise residentials you'll not be very pleased.


Sir, I do not understand you. Have you ever been in Warsaw? Or Moscow for that matter? Moscow doesn't have anything that Warsaw does not...and that goes for commies and "stupid highrise residentials". Moscow's commies are actually somewhat nicer than Warsaw's.

It seems one is not allowed to say that in his opinion Warsaw's skyline is better than Moscow's, or that Moscow may be surpassed by Istanbul. That being said, I'll keep this kind of opinions to myself, and only post when I have something good to say about Moscow (which I've said in the past).

Will this suit you?:cheers:

You don't know what you're talking about.
Think a little before saying/writing something.

Warsaw or Moscow, because Istanbul or Turkey for that matter isn't in Eastern Europe.

Well, let me put it this way:
-I said I think Warsaw's skyline is for now better than Moscow's
-I said that in the future I think Istanbul (will consider it to be in EE) will have a better skyline than Moscow
-I said this is because Moscow has a lot of (commies) and (most importantly) some ugly ass highrise residentials
-those ugly buildings will somewhat blunt the overall look of the skyline, thus allowing a city like Istanbul to "take the crown" (have a better overall skyline).

Bare in mind I very much like the area around Federation Tower, so I don't have anything against Moscow.

Anyway, I was only expressing my opinion and I have presented my point of view (twice now), so you don't really have to understand me, because it's afterall just my opinion. If I say I like Aston Martin, but you like Ferrari, do you really have to understand me? No... you have your opinion, I have mine. :)

When have I said that I do not agree with you?
I have personally said many times that Warsaw's skyline is, at least at present, better than Moscow's skyline, even with all the shiny new towers.

What I'm saying is simply that you cannot single out Moscow as the only city with a "of commies and stupid highrise residentials". Warsaw has plenty of those too, believe me.

Ok, your answer seemed a bit ambigous to me. Sorry. :)

Yes, there's no EE city without commies, though there are many without ugly highrise residentials, not talking about commies here, (like Bucharest, Budapest and from what I know and see, Warsaw). My point is that looking at Warsaw's and Moscow's skylines, the first is more "plesant to the eye", even though it doesn't have the same average height... and to me the overall look is important. Afterall, we're not talking about the tallest skylines...

But fuck the big players! :lol: What do you think will be the best skyline in EE, excluding Moscow, Warsaw and Istanbul (if we consider it to be in EE)? From what I can see, the fight will be between Bucharest, Bratislava, Wroclaw and Vilnius.

EU is not a country.
I do not get what is the realition between London, Paris, Frankfurt with Bratislava(for example), Do Frenchs build skyscrapers in Sofia because it's an EU city

And Turkey (and/or Russia) are EE/Balkan countries?

BTW Austrians and Estonians are building the first scrapers in Sofia.

But fuck the big players! :lol: What do you think will be the best skyline in EE, excluding Moscow, Warsaw and Istanbul (if we consider it to be in EE)? From what I can see, the fight will be between Bucharest, Bratislava, Wroclaw and Vilnius.

Yup, Wroclaw is defenitly a big one, and with how things are going in Warsaw
(or better said, not going) I wouldn't be suprised if Wroclaw would develop a better skyline than Warsaw by 2015

Ekaterinburg is gonna have greatone in a few years.

It depends how you would define "best skyline" for other cities ( barring Moscow, Warsaw, and Istanbul ). Mainly, I think, this would have to do with the area of the city and if we are talking clusters of just random 30+ floorers scattered around the city.

And Turkey (and/or Russia) are EE/Balkan countries?


Isn't Thrace is a region in Balkans?

Hard to say which skyline will be the best in 2015 but I think Istambul ftw, 2nd will be Warsaw and 3rd Moscow.

Could you show us future Warsaw's skyline?^^

Could you show us future Warsaw's skyline?^^

It's just few pages later...

There are tons of plans for Warsaw but nothing is currently being built. Nothing of signifficance that is. But when Warsaw explodes it will explode in style for sure.

^^ Hopefully Warsaw won't explode :lol:

:jk:

It's just few pages later...Did you mean this?

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/projekty/towakol21sZ.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j46/projekty/centorvasavia2.jpg

Well, let me put it this way:
-I said I think Warsaw's skyline is for now better than Moscow's
-I said that in the future I think Istanbul (will consider it to be in EE) will have a better skyline than Moscow
-I said this is because Moscow has a lot of (commies) and (most importantly) some ugly ass highrise residentials
-those ugly buildings will somewhat blunt the overall look of the skyline, thus allowing a city like Istanbul to "take the crown" (have a better overall skyline).
And Istanbul have many ugly ass highrise office buildings:ohno:

Excluding Moscow, Istanbul and Warsaw I think Kiev will have the best skyline in the future

Two new skyscrapers for Warsaw:

Jewish Community Tower - 207m
Hines Tower - 160m

http://www.dziennik.pl/Cache/542900.CEPCache

Very interesting !:yes:
How big is Warsaw's Jewish community today?

Around 20 thousand in whole Poland most of them in Warsaw. The number is ever increasing, because many people are only now discovering their roots, as they were kept secret for decades by older generations. According to Moses Schorr Center, there could be up to 100 thousand Jews in Poland.

Is Shalom Tower u/c already?

Another fantastic scraper will soon be built near Moscow's IBC

City Palace

Можно подумать, раньше он был не "Сити Палас", и называть его так нельзя было.

Башня:

http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/View06_Day2.jpg http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera02.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera06.jpg http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera08.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera09.jpg http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera10.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera11.jpg http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera13.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/Camera12.jpg http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/View_01.jpg


Офисы:

http://www.city-palace.ru/ofices/images/1.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/ofices/images/2.jpg

Дворец:

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/1.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/2.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/3.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/4.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/5.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/6.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/palace/images/7.jpg

Торговля:

http://www.city-palace.ru/retail/images/1.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/retail/images/2.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/retail/images/3.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/retail/images/4.jpg

Лобби:

http://www.city-palace.ru/lobby/images/1.jpg

Благоустройство:

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/1.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/2.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/3.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/4.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/5.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/6.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/7.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/8.jpg

http://www.city-palace.ru/blago/images/9.jpg


Work in progress :okay:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4708/img3974du7.jpg
Photo by Axort

Another fantastic scraper will soon be built near Moscow's IBC
Better than HSB Turning Torso. I love it! How tall is this beauty going to be?:)

It will be 250m tall :cheers:

Hard to say which skyline will be the best in 2015 but I think Istambul ftw, 2nd will be Warsaw and 3rd Moscow.
I can't imagine how much biased You must be to express such opinion. ;)
Is Shalom Tower u/c already?
No, we still waiting for the final design. Start of the construction is planned for 2008.

Moscow City gets bigger.
From here:
http://www.arxawards.su/experts/project.php?id=560

http://i041.radikal.ru/0711/b9/cacfe850a380.jpg

http://i042.radikal.ru/0711/60/bfd3349a371c.jpg

http://i028.radikal.ru/0711/ce/67ff3fa41a25.jpg

http://i040.radikal.ru/0711/27/a0474642d7f6.jpg

A view of Warsaw with two approved towers, construction start in both cases in 2008.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a212/ringu-pl/centrum.jpg

And here is Hines by itself
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/hined0533.jpg

Obviously both renderings are made by polish forumers.

And here is another official visualisation of abovementioned proposed Jewish Community Tower
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/wgz443.jpg

and how would it look in environment

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/hinesgz05673.jpg

nice projects for warsaw and AWESOME for moscow

We are definatley looking at the construction of two towers in Warsaw for 2008
Zlota 44- 192m
http://miejsca.net/place/image2/212/58675174_27a04f4a6c_o.jpg
Hines tower-160m
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/53/33/5333.jpg
however seeing as im an optimist we could be looking at the construction of a further 4 towers.
Jewish comunity tower-207m
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/visualmark/wgz443.jpg
Prosta business centre-150m
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/3971/z3971821X.jpg
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/55/71/5571.jpg
^^ The whole project but only the one tower will be built as part of faze B the low rise is already U/C
Art park tower-180m
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/49/78/4978.jpg
Lillium 200m-
no official project yet apparantly there is an internal competition between 4 or 5 of the worlds best architects so lets wait and see.

Very nice Warsaw!

http://www.city-palace.ru/bashnya/images/View06_Day2.jpg

Just WoW

yeah, new building are more stylish. It's like that.
1. At the beginning just high buildings (skyscrapers) were cool. Now they are ugly.
2. Now high and stylish buildings with good lights at night are stylish. Probably after 10 years they will be ugly because .. they are not environment friendly etc.
3. Maybe after 30 years cool buildings will be like high, stylish, well built, environment friendly, cheap, rotating (with solar connectors). Also oval buildings in mode :D All non rotating building will be ugly etc. -Just fantasy.-
So all this cities should be more careful before building something in the city center. In my eyes Zlota, Prosta and Art park are stylish. And Jewish and hines towers are not so good or even "old fashioned." Moscow has many residental buildings like hines..

Very nice Warsaw!

i don't believe:uh:

Ekaterinburg, Perm and Volgograd are in EE ;)
Yes, it is true, all 3 cities are in EE. Is it not terribly sad that some heavily biased people chose to rely on their prejudices of possibly some stinky brownish hue instead of simply checking the map before lecturing others?:bash:

^^yeah sure, why not have Astana and Ankara here as well then?

Talking about this.:ohno:^^

Warsaw is progressing rather nicely, but sometimes I feel like it's so overrated. As for best future skyline of EE I'd have to say Moscow. With their rapid economical development I'm sure we'll see many great projects being built.

Moscow 2012-2013
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5823/mibcxo7.jpg

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Ekaterinburg, Perm and Volgograd are in EE
Yes, it is true, all 3 cities are in EE. Is it not terribly sad that some heavily biased people chose to rely on their prejudices of possibly some stinky brownish hue instead of simply checking the map before lecturing others?:bash:
I doubt about Yekaterinburg...

as i sayed before, it's a matter of culture... not geography...

Ekaterinburg, Perm and Volgograd are in EE

I doubt about Yekaterinburg...

I think just the small western edge of Yekaterinburg is in Europe.

Moscow looking very impressive. I think for warsaw to contend it needs at least one 300m + tower and a few 240m+ in the central cluster obviously by renound architechts.

In future Moscow definatly numba 1
Warsaw numba 2
Istanbul numba 3

1.Moscow
..
..
2. Istanbul
3. Warsaw

Looks like Wroclaw will have good skyline too.

^^ it's true. Maybe Wroclaw will be on 4th place.

Sky Tower (258m)
http://www.investmap.pl/fotopanel/foto.php?obraz=big_1434.jpg&id=1434
now is:
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/552/img7297od2.jpg
Centrum Południowe (130+105+105+90+90+90)
http://www.redcordoba.com/img/noticias/278333_2.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2953/obraz5dx7.jpg
Epi Centrum (100m?)
http://www.bit-info.pl/gfx/epicentrum/01_epi.jpg
Odra Tower (148m)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/wroclawczyk/odratowerrs6.jpg
http://www.investmap.pl/var/3%20copy.jpg
CLA skyscraper (170m?)
http://www.urbanity.pl/photos/26/30/2630.jpg
http://wiezowce.blox.pl/resource/nowynadodra2.jpg
Angel Wings (140m+120m)
http://www.grywal.magma-net.pl/sky/olawa5.jpg
and other smaller (without names;)
http://rafin.pl/site/files/24/Sikorskiego1a.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/jakub123/grunwaldzki_center/render3_29III.jpg
http://www.aedas.com/siteadmin/images/projects/257_fullsize_1.jpg
http://www.apsz.com.pl/images/highrise/highrise_fot1.jpg
http://grzesiekko.republika.pl/g1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/1A-3Large.jpg

Wroclaw will be on 4th place.

http://www.aedas.com/siteadmin/images/projects/257_fullsize_1.jpg
http://www.apsz.com.pl/images/highrise/highrise_fot1.jpg
http://grzesiekko.republika.pl/g1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/gesah/1A-3Large.jpg

I don't argue with you, but your last photos don't help me to understand this...

^^ Yes i know there aren't skyscraper, but I present also 258m, 130+105+105+90+90+90, 100m, 148m, 170m, 140m+120m too!. Which of EE cities in Your opinion will be on 4th in 2015??

^^ Could be Kiev for example

I think that Warsaw and Moscow are going to be amazing!

Could be Kiev for example
time will show or something like that;)

Kyiv is now in the 4th place in matter of density of highrises around the city after Moscow, Warsaw and Istanbul. It even has more 100+ m highrises then Warsaw and has more 100+ m currently U/C then Warsaw. And regarding the projects, I can post here 20-30 project like in Wroclaw.
Current state, it will change dramaticaly over next 10 years:
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/foto_003/all_kiev_773.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/foto_003/all_kiev_775.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/foto_003/all_kiev_727.jpg

Kyiv looks like asia...

~Quicksilver please post a few intresting renders proposed skyscrapers and if You have image of future skyline

Kyiv looks like asia...

I agree and from some point of view it brings an image of a latin american city. If we remove the vegetation from the first picture, it seems a little bit with São Paulo. No offence for Kyiv, it is a great city ;).

~Quicksilver please post a few intresting renders proposed skyscrapers and if You have image of future skyline

Ok, I can post here the few projects U/C. There are about 20-30 approved projects so I won't post them here as it takes too much space.

I start from Mirax Plaza which is u/c right now and should be completed in 2010. The German company is doing base and constrcution is done by Turkish company:
The few month ago the height was changed to 194 m and it's now two towers 46 floors each.

http://www.archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/11/s_11_027.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/11/s_11_028.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/11/s_11_029.jpg

Center on Peremogu Avenu:
45 floors - 210 m
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/10/s_010_070.jpg
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/10/s_010_071.jpg
http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/10/s_010_072.jpg

Esplanada:
35 floors, 130 m
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb306/minerr/ESPLANADA025.jpg
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb306/minerr/ESPLANADA030.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4124/dscn4514dd1.jpg

Resedential 35-37 floors, 140 m
http://new.pjs.kiev.ua/images/obj/lum.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/4hc0sox.jpg

I will continue soon.
Unfortunately we don't have any general images of how the future skyline will look like just pictures of some part of the city. You know the size of the Kyiv territory almost like Moscow, so constructions could be in different parts of the city not just in one part.

Kyiv looks like asia...
What is bad about Asia?
For me, as someone mentioned later, it's more like San Paolu :)

Ok few more projects:

Virlytsia Mixed used. Ground works are started. Active face of construction is planned for 2008, completion for 2010. Company in listed IPO in London so has plenty of money:
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_051.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_052.jpg

Residential tower X 3: 37 floors each 140 m U/C
http://i10.tinypic.com/317dwu9.jpg
Construction
http://osnova-solsif.com/content/catalogs/rekonstruktsiya_i_zastroyka_kvartala_po_ul._predslavinskaya_1178789100.jpg


This is sort of future skyline for this area:
http://i7.tinypic.com/2ps3pe9.jpg

I didn't say it's bad...
first two projects look very european :yes:

Multi-used complex on Gorkogo 52. Ground works are started, final render is still to be confirmed but latest was as follow:
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_015.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_016.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_019.jpg
Construction:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/12-03-2007/128_2884.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/12-03-2007/128_2890.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/12-03-2007/128_2891.jpg

Office complex on Mechnicova next to Parus: 31 floor about 130 m but project can be changed to be about 40 floors, U/C:
http://www.metrika.com.ua/f/1/realty/mechnikova/03.jpg
http://www.metrika.com.ua/f/1/realty/mechnikova/04.jpg

Multi-functional complex on Zlatousivska street. Developer's web-site says it's U/C. They currently demolishing the old tabaco factory on this site. Developer is very rich company so they have money to build it.
40 floors, 168 m (200 m including technical floors)
http://i12.tinypic.com/5yth7ck.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/63c3l3c.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/63ujsc7.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/66o819s.jpg




There are about 15 U/C projects of residential towers over 30 floors but I won't list them here.
There are about 20-30 more of other different project of skycrapers all around Kyiv.

http://www.archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/11/s_11_027.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_015.jpg
^^very nice projects

but this is terrible: :ohno:
http://new.pjs.kiev.ua/images/obj/lum.jpg

The complex on Zlatousivska looks a little like Golden Terraces in Warsaw. But much more better (for now).

but this is terrible: :ohno:
http://new.pjs.kiev.ua/images/obj/lum.jpg

Not a fan of Batman? :naughty:

Those buildings would confuse Batman.

http://www.archunion.com.ua/sekcia/img-s/2007/11/s_11_027.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_015.jpg
^^very nice projects

but this is terrible: :ohno:
http://new.pjs.kiev.ua/images/obj/lum.jpg

agree 100%. hopefully majority of those projects are like the first two. and no more like the batman building please.

WOW I'm really impressed with all those skyscrapers in Kiev:applause:

agree 100%. hopefully majority of those projects are like the first two. and no more like the batman building please.

I don't understand how that building looks like batman.

This one seems more appropriate

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2005/07/s_07_093.jpg

I don't understand how that building looks like batman.

This one seems more appropriate

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2005/07/s_07_093.jpg

Ugly color, weird angles and domes, etc.

That one you posted is actually very nice. How is the progress on that one anyway?

Kiev will be 3-4 the place in EE

Belgrade

http://www.blic.co.yu/_customfiles/Image/slike/2007/maj/16/beograd/vol-strit-g1.jpg

http://www.blic.co.yu/_customfiles/Image/slike/2007/maj/16/beograd/vol-strit-g2.jpg

http://www.blic.co.yu/_customfiles/Image/slike/2007/maj/16/beograd/vol-strit-g3.jpg

http://www.blic.co.yu/_customfiles/Image/slike/2007/maj/16/beograd/vol-strit-g4.jpg

Maybe we have in Warsaw 280meters skyscraper, first vizualization:
http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika/74212,93005,9.jpg

Katowice (Poland):
http://images30.fotosik.pl/122/c956a0367524d0dc.jpg

Maybe we have in Warsaw 280meters skyscraper, first vizualization:
http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika/74212,93005,9.jpg



Almost all Warsaw upcomming towers are so world class :nuts:

unfortunately this project is very uncertain

Okay we get it, Warsaw will look great. Guys what's the point of posting thousands of pictures to prove your point?

The project was only announced today so there is no need to say its uncertain, its at an early stage, we will see how it gets on. According to the press release it will be completed by 2011. The main investor is the company one of poland richest men (approx $5bn) Jan kulczyk. However the localisation is poor and far away from the central cluster.

Hey, I personally think all these highrises - planned or complete - are quite ugly anywhere. But this is certainly an interesting thread. I'll keep checking it out.

Okay we get it, Warsaw will look great. Guys what's the point of posting thousands of pictures to prove your point?Stop trolling, please.

I would like to see another future skylines but warshaw, after 10 pictures, i have got a point of it.

Stop trolling, please.

I'm no trolling I'm stating a single fact that 10 pages of this thread there's repeated photos of Warsaw, Moscow, and Istanbul. GUYS WE GET IT. I agree with you, all these cities will have great skylines in the future. There is no need to flood this thread with thousands of photos from different angles to prove your point.

What do you expect if there are no other cities in EE?

I'm no trolling I'm stating a single fact that 10 pages of this thread there's repeated photos of Warsaw, Moscow, and Istanbul. GUYS WE GET IT. I agree with you, all these cities will have great skylines in the future. There is no need to flood this thread with thousands of photos from different angles to prove your point.
If you look at the end of this thread, you will see it was flooded with Kiev projects. So don't overreact when someone is posting ONE render of a completely NEW project.

What do you expect if there are no other cities in EE?

Are you stupid?

Okay we get it, Warsaw will look great. Guys what's the point of posting thousands of pictures to prove your point?

^^ Weirdo
The previous page has been filled with Kiev projects, and the previous of the previous page contains Wroclaw highrises. So what do u fuss over?

I'm no trolling I'm stating a single fact that 10 pages of this thread there's repeated photos of Warsaw, Moscow, and Istanbul. GUYS WE GET IT. I agree with you, all these cities will have great skylines in the future. There is no need to flood this thread with thousands of photos from different angles to prove your point.Rofl I would say. Post photos from your country/city then. Wheres the problem? "flood thred with thousends of photos" ????????? It's not about "prove your point". I guess you don't know whats this thread about...you don't need to look all of those photos, just skip it, but hey...you are not alone here...We have lots of photos from Moscow, Warsaw and Istambul, because these cities have nice (best) skyline in EE and they bulid most of all new skyscrapers.

10 pages of this thread there's repeated photos of Warsaw, Moscow, and Istanbul. GUYS WE GET IT. I agree with you, all these cities will have great skylines in the future. There is no need to flood this thread with thousands of photos from different angles to prove your point.The thread title is 'Best Future Skyline in EE - 2015. To my mind not 10, but ALL pages should be dedicated only for the cities you mentioned.
I think other cities beside Moscow , Warsaw or Istanbul are spum here. :)

Thread title and suggestions

Please post renders with future skylines/clusters only. No single project renders unless it has got at least 3 x 100m+ highrises.

:cheers:

Okay, continue with your dick measuring.

Are you stupid?

Maybe you are blind. Show any other skyline except these three cities then!

Okay, continue with your dick measuring.Thanx for the permission. But we had been doing this without your permission earlier too...

and now show us some skyline pictures from Moscow ;) Istanbul's will follow then.. :lol:

OK
If you haven't seen this pic in other threads, I'll post it here too.

The main super tall cluster in Moscow now and in 1 year. Even a wild imagination can't paint what will be in 8 years :)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/13/go131.0/0_7d6b_68a2555b_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/13/go131.0/0_817a_c904ff70_orig

^^Great!

those pink skyscrapers look disgusting

^^Women will love them.:lol:

Seriously now, the main cluster in Moscow is doing great and I can't wait for it to be finished.

http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/barcelona-e1070.jpg

women prefer this style:D

OK
If you haven't seen this pic in other threads, I'll post it here too.

The main super tall cluster in Moscow now and in 1 year. Even a wild imagination can't paint what will be in 8 years :)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/13/go131.0/0_7d6b_68a2555b_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/13/go131.0/0_8171_85803ad1_orig


If I post the cluster of 2009 from Istanbul people will have to move away from this forum after seeing Istanbul's and Moscow's future projects :D

1x ca 400m (Dubai tower 1) approved but waiting for court's decission
1x ca 280m (Dubai tower 2) approved but waiting for court's decission
2x +260 m u/c (Sapphire and Diamond of Istanbul)
2x 250 by Foster approved
1x Swiss RE like building approved
1x ca 200m annouced but no further info

and many already existing ones :cheers:

and many already existing ones :cheers:I count 6 skyscrapers from 25 ones on the first page. May be not all buildings from Istanbul are mentioned there?

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?32541681

Map of planned/approved and u/c towers for warsaw
http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika/74657,93327,9.jpg

Ps; The box towers havnt submitted final projects so we dont know what is their final design btw the map has a few minor errors in terms of localisation but all the important stuff is there.

I count 6 skyscrapers from 25 ones on the first page. May be not all buildings from Istanbul are mentioned there?

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?32541681

No they are not. We know that Trump has bought some plot and that Foster has designed 2x250m for another plot, some projects are announced for 2008. There are neough projects ;)

Warsaw section on Polish forum is looking pretty nice at the moment
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5620/wawauz1.jpg

Hopefuly all that stuff gets built. :cheers:

Zlota 44-192 m (630 ft) high, 54-storey shining high-rise
Orco Property Group receives building permit for its flagship residential tower - Złota 44
http://images4.fotosik.pl/16/ouqhgkbr64sbvoy0.jpg

Lilium 257 m-approved

Kulczyk Tower 282,4 m 68-st.
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/4740/z4740328X.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5764/dziennik1lc4.jpg
http://http://grafik.rp.pl/grafika/74212,93005,9.jpg

207m-Jewish community
http://www.emporis.com/images/6/2007/10/568896.jpg

Art Park
Tower 1-180m approved
Tower 2-160m approved

Hines Tower 160 approved
http://www.emporis.com/images/6/2007/06/541907.jpg

etc...
:cheers:

^^Congratulations.
Unfortunately, 3 last photos are not seen

PS did i undestand right the title, that 282 m will be the tallest in Europe in 2011?

Brad, you still haven't figured out how journalists think?:ohno:

Mr Karol Kobos most likely simple went over to Wikipedia, scrolled over the list and wrote that down, not taking into account that other cities might build taller skyscrapers by the time this one is finished ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Europe

yeah... probably Wikipedia was his source...

Thank you very much for the link
On the same page (just above the list of skyscrapers) I read the following
Since its inauguration in 2007, the tallest skyscraper in Europe is Moscow's 268 metre Naberezhnaya Tower block C. City of Capitals: Moscow is a tower of over 286 metres tall is currently under construction in the same city will become the tallest building in Europe in 2008. Also, Federation East Tower is currently under construction in the same city and it should become the European tallest with its 506 metres in 2009. Another tower of over 612 metres, known as the Russia Tower is currently under construction in Moscow and should become the European tallest at its inauguration planned for 2012.

:)

^^Congratulations.
Unfortunately, 3 last photos are not seen

PS did i undestand right the title, that 282 m will be the tallest in Europe in 2011?
You're Right .
There's a Mistake ;)
It's the only title...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a212/ringu-pl/widokkopiecpowstania.jpg
This is how Warsaw skyline should look in 2012.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a212/ringu-pl/widokkopiecpowstania.jpg
This is how Warsaw skyline should look in 2012.

Well ...

:dance:

looks amazing
what's the probability this will come true in 2012?
I ask this because English is not my native language and I don't understand what "should" means in this context:)
"This is how Warsaw skyline should look in 2012."

"should" means most of the towers which we are talking about on SSC polish section will be built.This isn't so precise,because there aren't all the skyscrapers, especially in the Wola district.And some of the building could ofcourse be cancelled.

There you can see skyscrapers planned to build
(by Darhet)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=16988135&postcount=525

thank you for the explanation.
I understood you like this:
The render of Warsaw's skyline in 2012 (the post 233) is the maximum we can expect from Warsaw's skyline in 2012. There is also a probability that it will look not so amazing or it will look like this not in 2012 but later...

It will most likely look even better. For me judging by the amount of projects planned CURRENTLY (40 projects - 27 in downtown and 13 in other disctricts) this picture shows the very LEAST of what Warsaw will be like in 2012.

Im assuming there will be many more projects coming on line between now and 2012.

So chances are better that Warsaw skyline will be bigger not smaller than what's shown on this picture.

thanx
I have a question to you.
How much time does it take to get a skyscraper get built from the moment it was approved/proposed? I refer to Warsaw.

Proposed and approved are two different stages.

It goes like this:

First it gets proposed (design completed/financing available/land aquired) and it goes through several stages of approvals. The whole process can last as long as 2 years. Usually it is about 1-1.5 years depending on scope and complexity.

Then it gets built usually in two years, again the duration of construction is dependent upon the scale and complexity of the project.

So if something is approved today, it will be finished sometime in 2010. If it is proposed today it will be finished in 2012 if everything goes according to plan (no psycho environmentalists or nimbys trying to derail it).

good!
I cross the fingers for all Warsaw's skyscrapers proposals :)

How does this compare to moscow??
I heard the Warsaw municipality want to make it simpler to aqquire planning permision and so on by reducing the amounts of steps and so on, ... Warsaw also has a board of architechts which decide whether or not the building is suitable for the are and the urban plan ect. The decision of whether any building is built is up to them .... is there a similar institution in Moscow

Recently there used to be just one architecht who decided this and he hated tall buildings, usually no building had a chance of getting by him unless it was lower then 5 stories and they were preferably underground, thankfully he was fired and replaced by a board of architechts and urban planners, he had to much power according to the current president of Warsaw..

New Tower for Warsaw !!!!

LILUM by Zaha Hadid - 257m

http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00034/fr_infa_nowy_wiezowi_34148g.jpg

^^
http://www.dziennik.pl/multimedia/article96735/Super_wiezowiec_Lilium_Tower.html?view=large

New Tower for Warsaw !!!!

LILUM by Zaha Hadid - 257m

http://www.dziennik.pl/files/archive/00034/fr_infa_nowy_wiezowi_34148g.jpg

^^ Awesome tower :cheers: was it approved? When is it scheduled for construction and completion?

Start 2009
Finish 2011

Damn!! Istanbul publishes a new big project and I begin to think that Istanbul is "ubeatable" but some weeks later some Russian and Polish guys post new project from their cities. Then I see a new project in Istanbul and begin again to think that Istanbul is unbeatable in the future but again some other guys post new projects... Damn damn :evil: :D :D

Check This out :)

All gonna be build in Warsaw :D

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/783LibeskindDoesWarsawSkyscraper_pi.jpg http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/912353dd476d7dbc.jpg http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/wgz443.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/930059.jpg http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/5333.jpg http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/masakla/5570.jpg

All gonna be build in Warsaw Till 2011 :cheers: