Proposed Sangley Point International Airport-Seaport Development Project

[Alo]

COSCO to develop Sangley Point as int’l airport, seaport, logistics hub



By BERNIE CAHILES–MAGKILAT

Malacañang has issued Executive Order 629 allowing China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO), the world’s second biggest shipping company in terms of carrying capacity, to convert Sangley Point in Cavite City into an international logistics hub with modern seaport and airport at a cost of billion to billion.


Trade and Industry Secretary Peter B. Favila announced the COSCO investment after President Gloria Arroyo signed the EO just recently and COSCO chief executive office Capt. Wei Jiafu is coming here next week.

Favila said the President has acquiesced to the request of Senator Ramon Revilla, during the latter’s birthday party celebration, for the administration not to forget Cavite in all the infrastructure projects that are being undertaken by the government.

It so happened also that COSCO already did its homework by going around the country to scout for possible location and has decided to take on Sangley Point, Favila said.

Revilla then sought for Arroyo’s issuance of an EO to allow the conversion of Sangley Point into a fully operational international logistics hub.

As a result, the President through EO 629 has created the executive committee for the development of Sangley Point.

The president also directed the Philippine Reclamation Authority (PRA) to develop the Sangley Point into an international logistic hubs with container port and airport complex and an economic processing zone with cyberparks through a private sector joint venture under a build-operate-transfer scheme. An inter-agency technical committee was also created to assist the PRA.

COSCO will reclaim 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point because the COSCO project is not supposed to displace the Philippine Navy, which is headquartered in Sangley Point.

"The Chinese wants to do it yesterday," Favila said.

"Senator Revilla has to work with his constituents in Cavite to realize this project," Favila said. A smooth sailing project implementation is expected because Bacoor, where some of the land reclamation would be undertaken, is now under Mayor Edwin Revilla, the brother of Senator Revilla.

Based on the EO, provision of an international container port complex that would include an airport and seaport in Sangley Point is necessary to maximize the use of the R-I Expressway Extension now undergoing construction.

The viability of the project would be enhanced by undertaking reclamation work in the portions of Bacoor and Canaco Bays as this would provide a significant expansion district to the limited land area of Cavite City.

Sangley Point, is a former U.S, Naval Base Port located on the northernmost tip of Cavite City Peninsula is presently being used by the Philippine Navy for ship repair and dry docking purposes. It juts 6 kilometers into the sea.

This facility has the following comparative advantages and potentials for growth: A bay location that provides potential for sea transport, existing air and port facilities which could be upgraded and improved, it has a military airport which has a concrete runway of 229 x 22 meters, and road links, which provide access to Manila and CALABARZON growth corridors.

Aside from Sangley Point terminal, no other terminal in Cavite was developed particularly for the purpose of commercial ferry services.

The commercial ferry services from Cavite City to Roxas Boulevard in Manila and from Cavite City to Corregidor Island which had been using Sangley Point terminal since 1967 had been stopped in September 2001 for security reasons.

Exactly a month ago, COSCO officials led by Capt. Wei had a meeting with the President for its project in the country.

At that time, COSCO was just awaiting for the President’s instruction where to pour its investments in the country.

In a speech before the local business community led by Malacanang Special envoy on trade and investments to China Francis Chua, the COSCO president stressed that the economic growth in Southeast Asia today has also brought about transportation bottlenecks in the region.

"I believe we need to find an area where the transshipment would be reasonable, convenient and efficient. We are now in the process of re-identifying this area," Wei said.

"We want to look into the terminal, logistics, shipbuilding and repair and maintenance facilities," Wei told reporters.

Wei further urged the Philippines to stay competitive with other countries, which are also offering the same transshipment hub concept.

"We are hopeful, in line with the National Economic and Development Authority’s vision of developing the domestic logistics system, that the Philippines will become another logistics center in Asia," Wei added.

With a fleet of 770 ships and a combined tonnage of more than 47 million deadweight tons, Wei said that COSCO is now in the best position to make investments in the region. Its vessels call on 1,300 ports in 160 countries.

Among countries in the region, Wei cited the rapid growth of trade between the Philippines and China from only $ 5.2billion in 2002 to $ 10 billion in 2004. Last year, two-way trade reached $ 23.41 billion making the Philippines China’s fourth largest trading partner in Southeast Asia.

Aside from the logistics and shipping business, COSCO is also engaged in financing, real estate, information technology and soon in the mining business.

The COSCO group owns almost 1,000 companies all over the world employing a total of 80,000 people.

[Alo]

Cosco ups Sangley investment

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

THE China Ocean Shipping Group Company (Cosco) has increased its committed investments for the company’s proposed logistics hub in Sangley Point, Cavite, to $4 billion to $5 billion from the original $3 billion.

Trade Secretary Peter Favila said Cosco’s management made the decision after the government officially made available to the company a big part of the naval station through the issuance of Executive Order 629 late last month.

EO 629 directs the Philippine Reclamation Authority to convert Sangley Point into an international logistics hub with modern seaport and airport through an enabling reclamation component.

Favila said the president and CEO of Cosco, Wei Jia Fu, will be coming back to Manila soon to finalize plans for the project.

“The Cosco CEO said he is willing to pump in $4 billion to $5 billion to convert Sangley Point to a modern port facility,” Favila told reporters Wednesday.

With the issuance of the EO, Favila said the national government has done its part to make the project happen and it is now up to the local government of Cavite to do its share.

At this time, Favila said it will still take some convincing for the province of Cavite to help Cosco speed up the process.

Favila said he was assured by Cosco officials that the part of the Sangley Point that is being used by the Philippines Navy will not be affected by the Cosco operations.

Earlier, Cosco announced it will pour in $3 billion to convert Sangley Point to its Southeast Asian logistics hub.

The Cosco CEO and his team personally informed President Arroyo of their plan when they visited the country in June.

Favila said he told Cosco officials then to look for a place where they can set up operations and he was informed that the Chinese have already chosen Sangley Point.

Before the Cosco officials came over, Favila said the company had quietly searched for prospective sites and found Sangley Point the most suitable, especially with its deep waters near the shore.

[kalbongdad]

that is good news.....really...it seems the philippines is busy these with lots of economic activities these days....galing talaga ni GMA small but terrible....kahit dami galit sa kanya...way to go man....

[Alo]

Business
Cosco plan to invest in RP will dislocate Navy

By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Thursday, July 19, 2007

The Philippine Navy is considering relocating its headquarters in Sangley Point as Chinese shipping giant China Ocean Shipping Co. (Cosco) firms up its plan to invest up to $5 billion to convert the naval base into a modern seaport.

“We are conducting a study wherein we are considering relocating our Sangley naval station to Zambales,” Navy spokesman Commodore Giovanni Bacordo told The Star in a telephone interview.

According to Bacordo, they are looking at moving to the San Miguel Naval Station in Zambales should Sangley Point in Cavite be reclaimed. However, he conceded that the Zambales base needs a lot of developing.

Bacordo refused to say how much is needed to refurbish the Zambales naval station.

Bacordo said the study to relocate the 140-hectare naval station in Sangley Point is being conducted by the Navy’s plans and programs committee.

The study started June 21, the same time President Arroyo signed Executive Order (EO) 629 that orders the conversion of Sangley.

Under EO 629, the Philippine Reclamation Authority was ordered by the Palace to convert Sangley Point into an international logistics hub with modern seaport and airport thru an enabling reclamation component.

It will likewise be an economic processing zone with cyber or technoparks through a private sector joint venture or a build-operate-transfer scheme.

Bacordo said the signed EO is not clear as to which part of Sangley will be converted into a seaport and an airport. “There are a lot of gray areas in the EO.”

In a separate interview, Trade Secretary Peter B. Favila said Cosco has already committed to infuse $4 billion to $5 billion for the conversion of Sangley Point.

The Chinese liked Sangley Point. They considered other locations but they chose to develop Sangley into a fully operational commercial port,” Favila said at the sidelines of yesterday’s National Competitiveness Council conference at the Renaissance Hotel in Makati.

Favila announced that Wei Jia Fu, Cosco president and chief executive officer, will visit the country to finalize the deal.

The secretary said they are hopeful the multi-billion investment will come in before the end of the year but said Cosco may encounter problems with the local government units.

“We in the national government have done our part already. It is up to them to issue the necessary permits and licenses,” Favila said.

In a previous interview, Francis Chua, special Philippine envoy on China trade and investments, said Cosco’s initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors. There will be a repairing ships and building ships.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

[manileño]

this is good news. although it will require another massive redevelopment of the vicinity and roads leading to this new ecozone. and expect a new branch of south rail extending from fort boni to cavite city. the sm mall of asia ferry would also be fully utilised with this development. :cheers:

and in addition, the chinese like Sangley Point because it was named after them by the Spanish for this is where they used to dock their junks and do trade with hispanic philippines.

[LordCarnal]

I've noticed that we have too many international airports already.

Within reach from NAIA are Subic, Clark, and the one proposed in Sangley. Here in the Visayas, there's Mactan and another one proposed in Bohol. The new airports in Iloilo and Bacolod would soon be international airports.

Wouldn't it be better if the investor would invest in building a terminal in Clark instead? Or perhaps invest it on more highways, roads, railroads, more power plants for stable electric supply, and more dams and reservoir for stable water supply, etc.?



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[lochinvar]

Is there a possibility that Ternate will also build a port and will be managed by the Indonesians. The first inhabitants of the said towns were from the original and much bigger Ternate in Indonesia.

[Alo]

@lochinvar

indonesians?

@arnold carl

i dont agree with that, these are the new times..many more airports and logistics hubs to rise, all over the country. watch out!

they are also building roads and all the things you mentioned.

and yes, just wait a few more months, they will build a huge terminal at DMIA, as soon as the feasibility study is done, the chinese consortium will publish its study, soon after, they will start to build.

its a fantastic news! this are FIVE BILLION US-DOLLAR...man, how cool is that????

DMIA in the north, then subic and now sangley point. thats what it needs to move the philippines forward.

[manileño]

^ NAIA will soon be torn down to give way for decongestion and more real estate developments in the metro as fort boni and villamor expand. as i see it, future travels to manila will be served by 3 major airports. (as is the case for NYC at present.) Clark-DMIA [NY's JFK], Subic Bay IA [NY's Newark Intl] and Sangley [NY's La Guardia].

And I dont think we have too many airports already. For an archipelago of 7,107 islands we're the ones who need them the most. and we should be having lots of them. And notice how public infrastructure and roads are also improved when airports get built.

[pau_p1]

hmmm... so it seems that if this pushes through I don't there is a need for NAIA3 anymore.... except of course NAIA remains as the main terminal while Clark and Sangley are secondary international airports to NAIA...

yeah I agree that we don't have enough international airports with the number of islands that we have.... having more of international airports will help us open up more routes in and out of the country rather than relying on Manila, Cebu and Davao international airports...

[Alo]

Sangley port project OKd
By Elaine Ruzul S. Ramos

Malacañang has issued an executive order converting Cavite City’s Sangley Point, home of the Philippine Navy, into a fully operational commercial port.

Trade and Industry Secretary Peter Favila told reporters yesterday the directive would facilitate the proposed multi-billion dollar investment in the country of China Ocean Shipping Co., the world’s second-largest shipping company.

Executive Order 629, signed by President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo on June 21, 2007, ordered the Philippine Reclamation Authority to convert Sangley Point in Cavite City into an international logistics hub with modern seaport and airport through an enabling reclamation component.

Favila said President Arroyo issued the directive following the request of Senator Ramon Revilla Jr. for a speedier development of infrastructure in his home province.

President Arroyo directed the Philippine Reclamation Authority to develop the Sangley Point into an international logistics hub with container port and airport complex and an economic processing zone with cyber or technoparks through a private sector joint venture, or build-operate-transfer scheme.

She created an executive committee to oversee the planning and implementation of the project, composed of the PRA, representative of the Office of the Mayor of Cavite City and various government agencies.

Favila said the chief executive of Cosco had committed to invest between $4 billion and $5 billion to develop Sangley Point into a commercial port.

Captain Wei Jiafu, chief executive and executive president of the Cosco Group, came to the Philippines a month ago to seek audience with Malacañang for the company’s plans to put up an integrated logistics hub in the country.

Favila said the company, after doing a study on its own, had finally chosen Sangley Point as the location for its proposed hub.

“To convert Sangley Point into a fully commercial port, they have to do some reclamation. Cosco will co-exist with the Navy,” said Favila.

He said the company had yet to disclose details but Cosco officials were flying in next week to firm up investment plans in the country.

“The Chinese want to do it yesterday,” Favila said when asked when Cosco plans to begin with the development of the port.

The Cosco Group owns and operates a fleet of 770 vessels with a combined tonnage of more than 47 million deadweight tons. It is involved in global logistics, shipbuilding, ship repair, terminal operations, trade, financing, real estate and information technology.

The President as early as 2002 had approved the creation of an inter-agency committee for the preparation of a pre-feasibility study on the economic viability, environmental impact, and social and political acceptability of the Sangley Point Development Project in Cavite.

The development involves the reclamation of some 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point for mixed-use development. It features a modern naval and air base, regional hub seaport capable of servicing giant super panamax container ships, an international airport, housing and livelihood facilities, commercial and industrial areas, schools, hospitals and other institutional facilities, parks, playgrounds and other amenities and roads and rail system.

[el_dasik_oo1]

Nabasa ko itong article nung isang araw.. wow! this will bring more investment sa Cavite and possibly Batangas area.. ayus yan! :D

[midwestguy1]

^ NAIA will soon be torn down to give way for decongestion and more real estate developments in the metro as fort boni and villamor expand. as i see it, future travels to manila will be served by 3 major airports. (as is the case for NYC at present.) Clark-DMIA [NY's JFK], Subic Bay IA [NY's Newark Intl] and Sangley [NY's La Guardia].

And I dont think we have too many airports already. For an archipelago of 7,107 islands we're the ones who need them the most. and we should be having lots of them. And notice how public infrastructure and roads are also improved when airports get built.

Not a bad idea if they move NAIA to sangley and still develop DMIA. DMIA is really far from the capital region but it will help decongest air traffic in Manila area. With Sangley Point, there are alot of area for expansion. I just hope they carefully plan these so that in the future there would be more space for expansion without compromising safety and such when they reclaim the land.

[manileño]

im excited about this project too.
IMO this will also develop the whole coastal line along Manila Bay, and the northern Cavite towns of Bacoor, Imus, Kawit, Cavite City will be linked to Metro Manila. The metropolis is sure to expand south as a result of this.

[anonymous_filipino]

i can see a possible scenario:

Sangley Point - domestic airport of Manila

DMIA - international airport with tourist-frequented domestic routes of Manila

the two airports will be link be a high speed railway and Sangley Point will be connected to Manila via the Manila-Cavite Coastal Expressway.

[Alo]

@midwestguy1 / anonymous_filipino


dont you think the project is more about shipping and so on? of course there will be an airport component to this project, but dont you think it will be more focused on cargo and logisticsrelated need of COSCO?? coz i think DMIA will really be the main gateway for the phils.

and @ manileno

tearing down naia? i dont think so! since prez arroyo is serious about that project (opening of NAIA T3 or else...) and the builder Takenaka already declared they will take care of it, so they can open it at the end of this year. i really think NAIA T3 will be operational and will go into full business in summer 08.

and then they will start to develop DMIA. if you look at all the airport projects in the country, i dont see any crowded airport anymore in the phils.


Opening of Terminal 3 at Naia and building a new huge international Terminal at DMIA , and several other airports in the country, will really make NAIA....ahmmm..:lol: ...a quiet place...or rather anything elst but crowded.

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ eh di dapat cargo airport lang gawin... kasi sabi sa article na international airport eh..

[midwestguy1]

@midwestguy1 / anonymous_filipino


dont you think the project is more about shipping and so on? of course there will be an airport component to this project, but dont you think it will be more focused on cargo and logisticsrelated need of COSCO?? coz i think DMIA will really be the main gateway for the phils.

and @ manileno

tearing down naia? i dont think so! since prez arroyo is serious about that project (opening of NAIA T3 or else...) and the builder Takenaka already declared they will take care of it, so they can open it at the end of this year. i really think NAIA T3 will be operational and will go into full business in summer 08.

and then they will start to develop DMIA. if you look at all the airport projects in the country, i dont see any crowded airport anymore in the phils.


Opening of Terminal 3 at Naia and building a new huge international Terminal at DMIA , and several other airports in the country, will really make NAIA....ahmmm..:lol: ...a quiet place...or rather anything elst but crowded.

You know what? It's not really clear if they really mean an actual "airport complex" or air cargo complex. Ofcourse they do have alot of publicity on this and that projects but who knows which ones of these would actually materialize? The idea of transfering NAIA to sangley point isn't so bad don't you think? coupled with DMIA development would still be a favorable project that needs pursued.

DMIA as a hub or a modern international airport comparable to the neighboring asian countries IMO would still be far flung as it seems like that they are more focus on LCC type of airport at this point. Once the government is able to open the new NAIA T3 by the year end hopefully, it will help ease out all the inconviniences in T1 for atleast up to 20 maybe 30 years. ( yeah right LOL, maybe if the Philippine population explotion started to slow down)

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ i beg to differ... right now PAL is going to purchase a $ 50M, 30 hectare land inside the DMIA to be use for their maintenance and catering services. their primary reason, according to their president Mr. Jose Bautista, is they are going make DMIA as their new hub in line of DMIA becoming the future international gateway of Manila. Cebu Pacific also plans to follow suit.

[midwestguy1]

^^^ yeah, thats their vision for the future...what? might take 20 years or so? and if they want to turn DMIA as their hub they should build their own terminal buildings as well and not rely on the government to provide it for them.

Knowing PAL themselves, they do have lots of publicities but not every single one of them actually happen, just wait and see. They are just now recovering from a near bankruptcy not too long ago so, just play it by ears...

[Alo]

@midwestguy1 / anonymous_filipino

yes, to transfer NAIA to sangley point is not a bad idea, if there would be an international airport down there, that has the capacity to take over services of the magnitude of NAIA, means they will build a bigger terminal down there than NAIA T3, and i dont think that will happen, coz DMIA is meant to take over the NAIA-Job , being the main gateway.

what they are going to build there is more a subic bay-style international airport, thats what i think, using it for cargo and some tourists and thats it. i think its really more a shipping port-investment. but we will find out pretty soon.

on dmia, i totally i agree with anonymous_filipino, they will build a new and huge terminal up there, i dont think it will just be for LCC, coz thats what it is now. but midwestguy1, the time frame you gave, about 20yrs or so, i really dont think that way, i think construction of the main projects up there will start before 2010, well within the term of prez arroyo. the chinese consortium that is undertaking a study now on the dmia will probably also be the one who will build the airport. and i dont think a one billion + us-dollar terminal will just be LCC. and dont forget, its the phase 1 of the three phases. they are really working hard on this, expect something big in a few months, when they will reveal the findings of that study. soon after they will decide, all the indications point to this. the foreign chambers calling for it , PAL setting up a 50 million us-dollar investment there, Lucio Tan being excited about it, about the fact that the government wants to set up an international gateway there.

we will see soon.

[midwestguy1]

"If there would be international airport with the same capacity of NAIA airport?" @alo?

They said they will reclaim that area just like they did in Roxas blvd area where the new MOA is currently erected as well as the old cultural center and PICC. I think that is exactly what they are planning to do in addition to current Sangley point.

You don't build an airport just to cater SOME tourist only considering there aren't that many tourist coming in and out of the Philippines yet, if there are, they all usually go to Cebu or Boracay. It won't be able to sustain maintaining a passenger terminal building with a very little passenger activities. If it's purely for cargo, I can understand it because they would only need storage building for cargoes where they can process their cargo for their Philippine clients. FedEx pulled out of Subic and chose China instead,the used a philippine company to carry out their business in the Philippines for them so there is a bit loss on the Philippine side there.

On DMIA issue you have mentioned. They won't just start building a huge terminal building in that area considering there is a pending T3 openning sometime which will address the congestion issue in manila, once it is openned, it will take care of the problem for atleast 20 to 30 years. DMIA doesn't have the pax movements that is more than 3 million passenger activities per year YET to consider building a humongous terminal building in Clark area that is comparable to Tokyo, Icheon, changi, HK airports, enough to hastily building the airport starting the year 2010? These aforementioned airports runs around over 30 million to 50 million pax activities yearly while NAIA alone combined domestic and international pax is less than 20 million passengers yearly. I believe it's a total of 17 million only as of this date. You can check the previous thread or Philippine airport statistics on this one.

I'm sure DMIA will work it's way up one way or another.

[tigidig14]

many jobs coming to us
thats indeed a great news :)

[Alo]

@midwestguy1

Cosco wants to build an integrated logistics hub at Sangley point, therefore one of the components of this project would be an international airport, i just dont think that airport would be meant for taking in a lot of tourists or "help out" NAIA.

All i am saying is, i dont think a chinese shipping company will be the main driving force to set up a new international gateway down there at Sangley point.

Back to the DMIA-thing. Why do you think, that the opening of Terminal 3 in Naia is so important to the expansion plans of DMIA, i dont think they really care if T3 opens or not, and even if it does, which is only a question of time, why do you think it will take 20 yrs or so til they wil build the main gateway to the phils up there?

As far as i know, DMIA went into biz in the year 2003 and is doing good, i find it very unrealistic to wait for 20 yrs to develop it.

Why all these masterplans? Why the expansion? Building an expressway and railway link to connect DMIA with Manila and so on? Just for it to remain a LCC- airport? for the next 20 yrs?

Of course i am well aware of the fact, that the passenger demand is just not there for building a new big international terminal at DMIA, but i dont think thats a reason to wait for them to develop DMIA, but rather downgrade the use of NAIA T3 and transfer all of the services currently done in manila to DMIA, instead of waiting until T3 in manila is crowded again.

Since DMIA is located in a industrial and biz-area, it needs a huge international terminal, of course not one like in Hk or icheon or tokyo, but the DMIA-officials know that, thats why the development will take place in several phases. but as i mentioned before, phase one would mean having a new and large international terminal, handling around 15 million passenger a year. just check out the DMIA-threads here, thats the latest talk in town.

[mygz14]

COSCO to develop Sangley Point as int’l airport, seaport, logistics hub
By BERNIE CAHILES–MAGKILAT

Malacañang has issued Executive Order 629 allowing China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO), the world’s second biggest shipping company in terms of carrying capacity, to convert Sangley Point in Cavite City into an international logistics hub with modern seaport and airport at a cost of billion to billion.

Trade and Industry Secretary Peter B. Favila announced the COSCO investment after President Gloria Arroyo signed the EO just recently and COSCO chief executive office Capt. Wei Jiafu is coming here next week.

Favila said the President has acquiesced to the request of Senator Ramon Revilla, during the latter’s birthday party celebration, for the administration not to forget Cavite in all the infrastructure projects that are being undertaken by the government.

It so happened also that COSCO already did its homework by going around the country to scout for possible location and has decided to take on Sangley Point, Favila said.

Revilla then sought for Arroyo’s issuance of an EO to allow the conversion of Sangley Point into a fully operational international logistics hub.

As a result, the President through EO 629 has created the executive committee for the development of Sangley Point.

The president also directed the Philippine Reclamation Authority (PRA) to develop the Sangley Point into an international logistic hubs with container port and airport complex and an economic processing zone with cyberparks through a private sector joint venture under a build-operate-transfer scheme. An inter-agency technical committee was also created to assist the PRA.

COSCO will reclaim 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point because the COSCO project is not supposed to displace the Philippine Navy, which is headquartered in Sangley Point.

"The Chinese wants to do it yesterday," Favila said.

"Senator Revilla has to work with his constituents in Cavite to realize this project," Favila said. A smooth sailing project implementation is expected because Bacoor, where some of the land reclamation would be undertaken, is now under Mayor Edwin Revilla, the brother of Senator Revilla.

Based on the EO, provision of an international container port complex that would include an airport and seaport in Sangley Point is necessary to maximize the use of the R-I Expressway Extension now undergoing construction.

The viability of the project would be enhanced by undertaking reclamation work in the portions of Bacoor and Canaco Bays as this would provide a significant expansion district to the limited land area of Cavite City.

Sangley Point, is a former U.S, Naval Base Port located on the northernmost tip of Cavite City Peninsula is presently being used by the Philippine Navy for ship repair and dry docking purposes. It juts 6 kilometers into the sea.

This facility has the following comparative advantages and potentials for growth: A bay location that provides potential for sea transport, existing air and port facilities which could be upgraded and improved, it has a military airport which has a concrete runway of 229 x 22 meters, and road links, which provide access to Manila and CALABARZON growth corridors.

Aside from Sangley Point terminal, no other terminal in Cavite was developed particularly for the purpose of commercial ferry services.

The commercial ferry services from Cavite City to Roxas Boulevard in Manila and from Cavite City to Corregidor Island which had been using Sangley Point terminal since 1967 had been stopped in September 2001 for security reasons.

Exactly a month ago, COSCO officials led by Capt. Wei had a meeting with the President for its project in the country.

At that time, COSCO was just awaiting for the President’s instruction where to pour its investments in the country.

In a speech before the local business community led by Malacanang Special envoy on trade and investments to China Francis Chua, the COSCO president stressed that the economic growth in Southeast Asia today has also brought about transportation bottlenecks in the region.

"I believe we need to find an area where the transshipment would be reasonable, convenient and efficient. We are now in the process of re-identifying this area," Wei said.

"We want to look into the terminal, logistics, shipbuilding and repair and maintenance facilities," Wei told reporters.

Wei further urged the Philippines to stay competitive with other countries, which are also offering the same transshipment hub concept.

"We are hopeful, in line with the National Economic and Development Authority’s vision of developing the domestic logistics system, that the Philippines will become another logistics center in Asia," Wei added.

With a fleet of 770 ships and a combined tonnage of more than 47 million deadweight tons, Wei said that COSCO is now in the best position to make investments in the region. Its vessels call on 1,300 ports in 160 countries.

Among countries in the region, Wei cited the rapid growth of trade between the Philippines and China from only $ 5.2billion in 2002 to $ 10 billion in 2004. Last year, two-way trade reached $ 23.41 billion making the Philippines China’s fourth largest trading partner in Southeast Asia.

Aside from the logistics and shipping business, COSCO is also engaged in financing, real estate, information technology and soon in the mining business.

The COSCO group owns almost 1,000 companies all over the world employing a total of 80,000 people.

http://www.mb.com.ph/BSNS2007071998088.html

[midwestguy1]

@midwestguy1

Cosco wants to build an integrated logistics hub at Sangley point, therefore one of the components of this project would be an international airport, i just dont think that airport would be meant for taking in a lot of tourists or "help out" NAIA.

All i am saying is, i dont think a chinese shipping company will be the main driving force to set up a new international gateway down there at Sangley point.

Back to the DMIA-thing. Why do you think, that the opening of Terminal 3 in Naia is so important to the expansion plans of DMIA, i dont think they really care if T3 opens or not, and even if it does, which is only a question of time, why do you think it will take 20 yrs or so til they wil build the main gateway to the phils up there?

As far as i know, DMIA went into biz in the year 2003 and is doing good, i find it very unrealistic to wait for 20 yrs to develop it.

Why all these masterplans? Why the expansion? Building an expressway and railway link to connect DMIA with Manila and so on? Just for it to remain a LCC- airport? for the next 20 yrs?

Of course i am well aware of the fact, that the passenger demand is just not there for building a new big international terminal at DMIA, but i dont think thats a reason to wait for them to develop DMIA, but rather downgrade the use of NAIA T3 and transfer all of the services currently done in manila to DMIA, instead of waiting until T3 in manila is crowded again.

Since DMIA is located in a industrial and biz-area, it needs a huge international terminal, of course not one like in Hk or icheon or tokyo, but the DMIA-officials know that, thats why the development will take place in several phases. but as i mentioned before, phase one would mean having a new and large international terminal, handling around 15 million passenger a year. just check out the DMIA-threads here, thats the latest talk in town.

I am not sure how I will react to your Sangley Point comment. All I know is that Arroyo approved and encouraged the building of an airport in Sangley, it's kind of stupid when she plans to turn DMIA as the main and major hub in the country. The Philippines government is good in starting a project here and there without thinking of the long term effect when you have all these international airport sitting all over the country considering the total landmass of the whole Philippine archepelago is approximately about the same size of the State of Arizona only. Just like the very many airports in the Philippines that is being built and is geared towards turning into an international gateway.

Whether there are plans and masterplans of a certain projects in the Philippine does not necessarily mean it will automatically push through. Many has been sacked, idled and so forth...

The openning of T3 is also important because first of all, the congestion in NAIA is the main reason in transfering NAIA to DMIA. T3 is still good for atleast 20 years if ever it is openned. That is why right now they are just expanding DMIA only to accomodate the LCC airlines that is serving clark. 2010 is just too soon to build another terminal building designed for 20 to 30 mil pax per year. Funding is another problem, The Philippine govt is still trying to think of a way to compensate the builder of T3 which happens to be a foreign investor went sour. The Philippines doesn't have the money for extra luxury.... Down the line, i'm sure DMIA will be turned into a major airport. But now that they are talking about Sangley with a willing chinese investor? Will it ever materialize for DMIA? we dont have the real answer for it right now.

Building an expressway in NLEX is vital for economic growth in the region, it should have been addressed centuries ago. The rail transit is still in the talking stage. Again, it will need another investor to start buiding the highspeed rail way which might possibly affect populated areas, Philippines is already over populated comparing to Malaysia and such, we all know these.

Like I said. Why built a terminal building in DMIA that is designed for 20 mil pax/yr when the current pax activities just recently marked to I believe 1 or 2 million yearly? Before it reached to 20 mil pax, would take more than 10 years, besides HK JAPAN Singapore Korea and the likes are all transit hubs for different international airlines as well as their own flag carriers who owns more than just 40 aircrafts comparing to PAL and 5j that has less. CLark and the Philippines in general are more of an final destination so a 20 mil pax activities can't be achieve in even 10 years time. UNLESS?? NAIA is closed and transfered to DMIA, but? now there is a Sangley threatening the DMIA plan? Will it still happen? I don't know the answer either ...

Just imagine how costly it is to maintain a terminal building good for 20 mil passenger yearly when the current pax activities in DMIA is only 1 million. They are building an expansion to DMIA terminal currently but hopefully that terminal building is designed to have enough room for future expansions

[cruizer333444]

to midwestguy1---- your right the philippines is the size of arizona if you put all the land together. the reason the philippines needs all this airports because its an island country.

[midwestguy1]

to midwestguy1---- your right the philippines is the size of arizona if you put all the land together. the reason the philippines needs all this airports because its an island country.

No question about it but I am talking about putting that very many international airport all over the country is just rediculous!!!! Domestic airport yes, very understandable.... OR? ever think about bridges and rail systems?? they can build more bridges and rail services that will connect north to south. Rail and land are a cheaper way to transport goods and cargoes than airplanes unless these are same day required.

[anonymous_filipino]

Maybe it will just be a Subic Bay Airport-type of airport....

[dancethingy]

There are ten million OFWs and growing, im assuming that these airports will serve them all. Add to that ten million the growing influx of tourists and business to the country. These airports are infrastructure and they are what the international community tell us we need in order to attract big time business.

[Alo]

it's not AIRPORTS vs. ROADS AND BRIDGES, it needs both and the phils is taking care of both , airports and roads, it's just that airport projects figure more prominently in the media.



i just found this article ten minutes ago, i agree with cruizer and dancethingy, the phils needs airports, ofw-population, and being an island nation, are two main reasons, but let me add this article below, which i just found ten minutes ago at the abs-cbn news site. it really explains why there is a need for a big international terminal at DMIA, not in 20 yrs, but asap.

here we go:

DEMAND AND SUPPLY By BOO CHANCO

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Now that our own domestic airline industry has invested heavily in about 20 new Airbus 320s, I can just imagine the strain in the capability of NAIA to handle all that increased air traffic. That’s why flights are now almost always delayed, according to the airlines


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The crash of an Airbus 320 in the congested airport of Congonhas in the Brazilian city of Sao Paolo has been described by a number of news reports as a tragedy that had been waiting to happen. That reminded me of NAIA. All the elements are there… less than adequate runway, congestion and third world airport management.

Consider this excerpt from that LA Times report: "Others said that when Congonhas was built in the early part of the 20th century, the surrounding area was mainly open land. Today, the airport is surrounded by high rises, adding another challenge for pilots."

Now that our own domestic airline industry has invested heavily in about 20 new Airbus 320s, I can just imagine the strain in the capability of NAIA to handle all that increased air traffic. That’s why flights are now almost always delayed, according to the airlines.

By sheer serendipity, the foreign chambers of commerce two weeks ago, came up with a well researched position paper calling government’s attention to the inadequacies of our airports, principally NAIA. If Ate Glue is really into infrastructure building and really wants to impress tourists and investors, she need not go further than our airports.

The foreign chambers worry that "NAIA suffers from two very serious constraints: (a) runway safety and capacity and (b) antiquated terminal facilities." More specifically, "Runway restrictions limit its capacity to handle flights (now allowed to land 22 hours each day from 4 a.m. to 2 a.m.)."

All three of NAIA’s operating terminals are being used beyond original design capacity, the foreign chambers observe. The old domestic terminal handled three million passengers in 2006, above its design capacity of 2.5 million passengers. There are peak periods when the three operating terminals at NAIA are extremely crowded, creating negative impressions for travelers who are used to the modern, efficient facilities built in most Asian cities over the last decade.

The foreign chambers however assert that more problematic than the passenger terminals are serious and immediate constraints to runway capacity and safety. The runways’ design is now well below standards for new generation aircraft, creating serious potential safety concerns. For example, distances between the centerline of runways and centerlines of taxiways do not meet the new International Civil Aviation Organization criteria, the UN body that supervises international aviation regulation and standards.

"The International Runway (called 06-24) was built in the 1940s when the biggest aircraft carried no more than 50 tons. Today an average B747 weighs 350 to 400 tons. With a single runway carrying the entire burden of all international flights, the runway requires heavy maintenance, which affects airline schedules and airport revenue.

"At the best-managed airports such as Hong Kong, Heathrow and JFK, planes can land at a rate of every 3 minutes or 20 an hour during any weather or light conditions. Based on current arrivals and departures, NAIA’s International Runway can accommodate only 15 flights per hour (taking off or landing) during bad weather or at night.

"With current annual growth in total passenger throughput above 10 percent, the runway capacity will reach its limits about the same time that all NAIA terminals including NAIA 3 reach their combined full capacity. In other words, very soon and as early as 2010 NAIA will probably not be able to take additional flights."

As for the terminals, the foreign chambers echoed what I have been saying in this column about the horrible condition of the domestic terminal. " The ‘old’ domestic terminal is totally out of date, with only one passenger entrance, two security machines and no air bridges. There are often long lines of departing and arriving passengers outside the terminal exposed to the elements, while passengers bump into each other and their baggage in security, check-in and terminal fee lines inside. Most tourists traveling to the popular tourist destination of Boracay must experience the quite negative experience of going through this completely retrograde facility which should have been closed when Terminal 2 opened."

As for Terminal 1… it "is almost 30 years old and is a growing maintenance challenge. At peak hours, it experiences severe traffic and overcrowding with long delays while cars inch through departure and arrival areas."

The foreign chambers see little hope for NAIA. "New runways cannot be added at NAIA nor can the airport be closed to allow construction of an international runway meeting current international weight standards. When the airport’s runway capacity is met in three years (at current growth rates) it will be important that an alternative airport to NAIA is available for air travelers in Central Luzon."

This is why, as I wrote here the other week, government should speed up plans to make the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark the new main airport to service the National Capital Region. This means upgrading its terminal and also most importantly, getting serious about putting up a high speed rail connection to Metro Manila.

As the foreign chambers noted, "Clark lacks adequate domestic and international terminals and its ground transportation links to Manila are subject to congestion. Clark is about the same distance from the capital as the expensive new international airports and terminals built in recent years in Korea and Malaysia at some distance from city centers, which have highly efficient ground transportation links. For example, the high-speed train connecting Kuala Lumpur to its new international airport travels 57 kilometers in 30 minutes."

The foreign chambers feel "a high-speed rail connection between Metro Manila and Clark will be essential. There will be many challenges, such as design, routing, terminal locations, technology, funding and construction, but such a multi-billion project is essential for future development and needs to be a core element in the Central Luzon Air and Sea Logistics Hub Master Plan. Extending the MRT-3 and LRT-1 up to NLEX must also be considered in order to allow efficient access to the NCR light rail system."

The foreign chambers also see the need to construct another runway at Clark. "Runway 02 R/20 L needs an additional parallel runway as an alternative runway as well as to allow eventual dual simultaneous operations. Runway 02 L/20 R can not be used by any aircraft because of the "crocodile cracks" which appeared on it after the Mt. Pinatubo eruption. The construction of a runway takes two to three years, after a planning and bidding period of two to three years."

If all that Ate Glue ends up doing in her last three years to make sure we have these basic airport facilities, she would already leave very concrete accomplishments behind. If she sees no urgency and we end up having our own Cogonhas tragedy at NAIA, she could well be blamed for doing nothing much to prevent a tragedy that was clearly just waiting to happen.

[midwestguy1]

yeah, I don't disagree with having more decent airports "alo" especially upgrading the ones already there, it's vital to progress, commerce , trade and tourism. The point being is, DOES IT HAS TO BE an international airport in EVERY single city and islands in the Philippines???? Even Japan and china just have international airports at a certain point and they are even way progressive country than the Philippines. Japan may not have OFW in and out of that country aside from OFW or other nationalities that works IN AND AROUND JAPAN but their people can very much well afford to fly leisurely from one point to another, not to mention overseas... the filipinos can now much afford to fly thanks to low coast fare 5j has been offering but it still not warranted to build a huge international airport within close proximity of each other.

[kalbongdad]

yeah, I don't disagree with having more decent airports "alo" especially upgrading the ones already there, it's vital to progress, commerce , trade and tourism. The point being is, DOES IT HAS TO BE an international airport in EVERY single city and islands in the Philippines???? Even Japan and china just have international airports at a certain point and they are even way progressive country than the Philippines. Japan may not have OFW in and out of that country aside from OFW or other nationalities that works IN AND AROUND JAPAN but their people can very much well afford to fly leisurely from one point to another, not to mention overseas... the filipinos can now much afford to fly thanks to low coast fare 5j has been offering but it still not warranted to build a huge international airport within close proximity of each other.

i disagree...we don't have lots of international airport...what we currently have are domiestic airports....being upgraded to international airports to meet current demands......what the gov't is doing at present is upgrading the existing airports...by making the runways longer...and upgrading the delapidated terminals....to meet international standards.....the government should continue to build airports... comparing the philippines with other nation of the same size....we have fewer airports...both domestic and internatinal as to the huge international terminal.....it is already after the fact coz we have already built one... all we have to do is open it..... huge international terminals are the in-thing....for asian countries....if u have noticed malaysia, thailand, p.i., china, korea and singapore are building new terminals.... .that is to show the world that they have arrived...that is to showcase their countries and put pride to its people...

[TheAvenger]

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I remembered that a couple of years ago a chinese corporation also wants to
manage Panama Canal and a pier in Los Angeles, CA. But many peoples in those places objected to that plans for reasons of national security.

If a mainland Chinese company will take over Sangley Points which is a former
U.S. Naval and Air Station and now a base of the Philippine Navy and the Philippine Air Force, don't you think it will be bad for our national security especially if in the future China flexes it's military muscle. I reckoned COSCO is owned by Peoples Republic of China.

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Re: Chicoms want Sangley Point
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2007, 09:17:17 pm »

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I have to say that I am suspicious of this deal as well. What possible benefit is China looking at as far as establishing a shipping hub at Sangley Point? Is the port of Manila over crowded and unsuitable for their purposes? China has thousands of miles of coastline. Why not find a nice spot somewhere along that coast? Looking at a map, it makes no sense economically. A hub is usually designed as an intermediate point where goods will go to different directions (think FedEx). The sea lanes from China to ports all over asia are not that long and a hub going to the Americas and Europe can just as easily be constructed in China providing shorter distance for goods to reach such a hub (as opposed to transporting all that stuff to a port only to tranfer them on another port).

Will the project benefit the Philippines? I am sure it will. Having someone else pay for such a massive infrastructure project is certainly beneficial. It will create jobs along the way, which will certainly benefit local economies and possibly increase the tax base. What we do not have a clear understanding of is the accompanying adverse impact - usually not readily apparent (especially in light of the fact that the company in question already has baggage associated with it).

As far as Chinese intelligence ops; I think they are already well settled in various parts of Filipino society (government, business, and the military). It is to PRC's advantage that the Philippines remains barely viable. I would not be surprised that in its view having a weak Philippines prevents encirclement from the sea via Japan, Korea, and Tiawan. It is worth noting that the PLAN has been working on its blue water capability for some time now. A country develops such capabilities if it feels threatened, has intentions to expand, or both.

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Re: Sangley port project OK'd
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COSCO the same company caught by US authorities redhanded distributing firearms to gangs in the US?

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Re: Sangley port project OK'd
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Quote from: brev on July 20, 2007, 03:37:04 pm
COSCO the same company caught by US authorities redhanded distributing firearms to gangs in the US?


with this and so many other info's regarding the true nature of cosco's business here and elsewhere..the government should and always check them out..I was against this but since only a part of the base will be use for this development, so its ok..But, the facility should be run,much like the way they run subic..filipinos overlooking on every aspect of the port - (just assuming,anyone here have any info to suport my assumptions? )

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[Alo]

@TheAvenger

you know what, the point you've raised about the chinese investment, i was also thinking abou that, when i first did some research on that company, and when i found out, that it is a chinese-government owned company i was really thinking, why do they really invest at sangley point?

from a business perspective , ok, its a good deal, to invest at sangley point makes sense, but there are other good places in the ASEAN region, and then i was thinking this:

since the philippines increased security cooperation in the last few years with the united states, and since the us forces in the pacific are relocating and so on, and this region is fast becoming very important, the chinese would want the philippines not to offer any permanent military basing rights to the us- forces here in the pacific.

how could they do that?...getting into every former base! putting up their own businesses in critical areas! financing big ticket projects at sangley point, and also in clark now. financing some big projects in the phils, to make it harder for the phils to decide something which could go against chinese interests in the region.

i am not sure about that! i dont want to get into this china-threat-paranoia, but turning sangley point into a big chinese biz-port does create jobs and economic activity there, and its good, but it also prevents the possiblity to let the americans set up a naval base there in the future.

[TheAvenger]

The airport built by the US military is a strategic base for our armed forces,
I don't know the reason why our govt should let the Chinese State corporation to take over Sangley point.

Our government should have nominated to COSCO other place or island in the Philippines which is not develop yet and not a strategic place, and not the former US Naval Air / Station now used as base by Phil Navy and PAF. Sangley, Clark,and Subic were strategic places and should not be leased
to countries who were potential enemy in any war in the future.

Our Navy and Airforce is also using the american-built airport runway in Sangley point. Also funny if in the future our planes who will patrol our Kalayaan Islands Group in the south china sea is based in the Airport / Airbase shared both by our Armed Forces and the Chinese state corporation COSCO.

:nuts: :bash: :bash:

[midwestguy1]

i disagree...we don't have lots of international airport...what we currently have are domiestic airports....being upgraded to international airports to meet current demands......what the gov't is doing at present is upgrading the existing airports...by making the runways longer...and upgrading the delapidated terminals....to meet international standards.....the government should continue to build airports... comparing the philippines with other nation of the same size....we have fewer airports...both domestic and internatinal as to the huge international terminal.....it is already after the fact coz we have already built one... all we have to do is open it..... huge international terminals are the in-thing....for asian countries....if u have noticed malaysia, thailand, p.i., china, korea and singapore are building new terminals.... .that is to show the world that they have arrived...that is to showcase their countries and put pride to its people...


You don't build a HUGE international airport in many area of the Philippines because it's "THE IN THING"... that is being irresposible and unwise governing. The neighboring countries with the exception of Indonesia is ahead of the Philippines economically otherwise, why don't they have OFC and Indonesia foreign workers in the Middleast, even in Malaysia we send out skilled workers to work there. You build an airport because of the necessity and a requirement for growth. I will repeat this again, it would be very expensive to maintain a huge airport that is already designed for 20 to 30 million pax a year. Take for instance that DMIA is only reaching to this date a 1 mil pax mark this year with Asianna airlines. MCIA has only a capacity of atleast 5 mill pax per year. Where would be the Philippine government get the money to maintain these huge airports if the they built the new airport that big? Lets take DMIA for instance when OLO suggested that by 2010, DMIA should have an airport with a capacity of atleast 20 million. Well NAIA still have T3 and the governent is really looking for a way to open the airport because whether the Philippines like it or not, whether t3 opens or not, The philippines still needs to pay Frapport some compensation? Where are they getting all these? Tax money ...... that's right folks, from your own pocket ... Does Central Bank of the Philippines have that kind of money? NO, that's why the Philippine government has been hunting on who would sponsor the funding and once these airports are operational, it will pay on its own...

[midwestguy1]

@ TheAvenger and ALO

What national security? What is in Sangley? The Philippines can't even defend itself incase there would be an invasion from another country?? Why we should be worried about? US is our ally, we now have some military presence in the Philippines, Japan and Korea where the US bases are just close by? What national security are we afraid of? The Chinese are just trying to start some business that will generate income to themselves with the returns of their investments. I don't want to sound like I'm putting the Philippines down when it comes to self defense, it's already a known fact that we don't have enough to arm ourselves, just human shield is what we can afford right now to fight their hightech gadgetry....

[Alo]

@midwestguy

exactly, the US is our ally, and thats exactly the reason why there is some concern on this!!!!

as i mentioned earlier, the chinese are setting up a logistics hub in a very critical area, means, this area in sangley point could easily be used by the us-naval forces if tensions in the south china sea erupt anew.

well i dont really agree with your point of view on this. sangley point is strategically very important.

on dmia, again, there is a need for a huge internatioanal terminal, a huge aviation complex. and what kalbongdad meant with IN-THING is, that other countries are building huge terminals, because it is a requirement to have them in this region.

of course we will not get the passenger traffic and cargo traffic into the phils if we dont have the facilities in place.

you need to build the facilities first, then the business comes in, if you wait to long, others in the region will position their aviation complexes to take in more of the expected rise in this kind of activities in the asia-pacific region.

i think you heavily underestimate the potential of the philippines. and you dont take into account other developments going on in the region, that will tremendously benefit the philippines, building an integrated ASEAN community, freer flow of goods and services troughout the region, the high demand for ofw's around the world, and the ever increasing touristpool in chinas growing middle class. the retiring northeast-asians, just look at the korean "invasion" of tourists in the phils.

you are saying, that the opening of t3 will take care of all the problems in manila? i really think otherwise, in 20 yrs, when this region will become the most important region in the world, being a country that will have a population of more than 100 million people, ASEAN community, East Asia integration, and many more developments, will make it a major requirement to have international airports all over the country. and a huge main gateway at DMIA. to have all these things in place, will also require the philippines to have them in place well before the year 2025.

construction and development should start now. why elst is the united foreign chambers in the phils calling for a large and modern DMIA-terminal, AND even the construction of a second runway, AFTER they already openend T3 in manila?

but tell me? you say, its not really necessary to build that much airports?..

so which of these airpor projects is a waste of money then?

again, its not airports versus roads and bridges. actually these airports create a lot of economic activity in the region they are built. roads to connect them with the areas surrounding these airports are also constructed.

and on the t3-compensation thing you mentioned. yes, the government will sooner or later have to pay fraport a certain amount of compensation, thats very likely, but this will not prevent the government to halt all other projects in the country coz they dont have the money to spend it for infraprojects.

but obviously they got the money to do it. and its money spent wisely.

[anonymous_filipino]

maybe COSCO should cancel the airport plan. we don't need 2 international airports to serve Metro Manila. we only need 1 international airport w/ tourist-frequented domestic routes which should be far from Metro Manila and connected by expressway and a high speed railway, and 1 domestic airport near the city center....

[cruizer333444]

the u.s is not developing our terminal. our country is starving for developement and jobs. if the chinese are willing to do it, more power to them. seems like only the chinese are willing to invest in our country in this big time projects. i welcome them with open arms.

[midwestguy1]

@ ALO <<<exactly, the US is our ally, and thats exactly the reason why there is some concern on this!!!!

as i mentioned earlier, the chinese are setting up a logistics hub in a very critical area, means, this area in sangley point could easily be used by the us-naval forces if tensions in the south china sea erupt anew.<<<<

----ME: Like they can use a free port for cargo and hide their amunition without being noticed? It's not a toy gun you can hide in your pocket and setting up a naval force without the Philippine government permission is a violation of the Philippine Law and the international treaty via geneva convention. I don't think they Philippine government is that stupid.. Just like you oppose the chinese forces to set up their naval base there in the Philippines being a communist regime would be opposed by the whole citizenry. IF that happens, UN will interfere.

@ALO >>on dmia, again, there is a need for a huge internatioanal terminal, a huge aviation complex. and what kalbongdad meant with IN-THING is, that other countries are building huge terminals, because it is a requirement to have them in this region<<<<

----ME: What requirement? Who set imposeda law that it is a MUST TO SET up a huge airport because it's the "IN-THING" you built an airport because of the necessity. DMIA hasn't reached its mark yet and that Arroyo is still trying her best to open T3. If T3 didn't open, chances are DMIA will push through easlier than expected.

@ALO >>>of course we will not get the passenger traffic and cargo traffic into the phils if we dont have the facilities in place.

you need to build the facilities first, then the business comes in, if you wait to long, others in the region will position their aviation complexes to take in more of the expected rise in this kind of activities in the asia-pacific region.<<


-----ME: what the heck is this???? You think building an airport is like building another Mall Of Asia where retailers will come in and patrons would come in and buy or use the facility? It does not work that way... First of,Tourism in the Philippines is just now starting, however? it is being hampered by insurgents and political instability. Where do you get the business you are talking about?? yes OFW but considering there are many OFW, the PAX activites in NAIA 1 & 2 on international side doesn't reach more than 15 million, combine international and local travels only reached barely 20 million. So why build an gigantic airport when it is NOT YET NEEDED? Just start from the appropriate size that can be expanded in the future. WHERE THE HECK CAN THE PHIL govt afford to build an airport like that? THROUGH foreign investors, not from it's own pocket or internal financing...

[midwestguy1]

@@ ALO>>

think you heavily underestimate the potential of the philippines. and you dont take into account other developments going on in the region, that will tremendously benefit the philippines, building an integrated ASEAN community, freer flow of goods and services troughout the region, the high demand for ofw's around the world, and the ever increasing touristpool in chinas growing middle class. the retiring northeast-asians, just look at the korean "invasion" of tourists in the phils.

you are saying, that the opening of t3 will take care of all the problems in manila? i really think otherwise, in 20 yrs, when this region will become the most important region in the world, being a country that will have a population of more than 100 million people, ASEAN community, East Asia integration, and many more developments, will make it a major requirement to have international airports all over the country. and a huge main gateway at DMIA. to have all these things in place, will also require the philippines to have them in place well before the year 2025.<<<<


---Me--You expect to have 100 million filipinos in less than 20 years?? Dude??? do you know what that means? population explotion to a much more critical porportion. More people, less jobs means poverty... We have to get rid of the image of the Philippines first with a bad image of being "unsafe" by controlling insurgent and having more political stability. There is still a stigma hunting us with all these political killings with journalist and muslim insurgents. After they resolve these, investment will start to flow freely and it will run its own course.

I don't disagree in having more airports around the Philippines. It's a good thing but we shouldn't hastily act on it just because other countries are building these and that airport about the size of the whole visiyan province. IT's called Step planning. An appropriate size right now just like they are planning on DMIA, expand a little bit, then hopefully, when they plan it, they have the future in mind so that if expansion is necessary, it is planned ahead of time. Not build an airport big when the demand is not even there yet..

[midwestguy1]

@alo --- and on the t3-compensation thing you mentioned. yes, the government will sooner or later have to pay fraport a certain amount of compensation, thats very likely, but this will not prevent the government to halt all other projects in the country coz they dont have the money to spend it for infraprojects.

but obviously they got the money to do it. and its money spent wisely. <<

----Me-- This is another problem in the Philippines. Lack of careful planning. It's like one of those old people are saying " paran boxer, suntok suntok kulang sa planno" They see something needs to be done but then nobody is planning it carefully. But, I can't point fingers on just one group on this one, because once a current administrator is planning something, it will be haunted with alot of critism and suspecions already.

This is exactly my point with Sangley international airport, DMIA is a plan and is in the making. T3 problems isn't solved yet, here comes another dealing with Cosco on building an airport. It's like Arroyo is like nodding on anything just to shut this and that governor, senators and such so she can get their approval. I mean any Philippine presidents not just Arroya. That is very typical filipino, they want to please everybody that in the end, they end up being the bad guy.

[Alo]

@ midwestguy

you are wrong on almost everything you are posting here. sorry but, thats how it is. on DMIA, on the COSCO thing. let us not make it to complicated


let me correct you on these things. let me start with the "small" things:

1. i welcome the COSCO investment, its a good thing, all i am saying is, BUSINESS might not be the only thing the chinese got in mind when they decided to come to SANGLEY point.

you really dont get my point on this, COSCO will "OCCUPY" the sangley point, by setting up a logistics hub there. by doing that, that area will not be usefull anymore to any future american base. thats all i am saying.

2. COSCO will build a small international airport. you'll see. there is no need to look at it as if they are building an airport to help out NAIA. they are not! why are you mixing up things here, NAIA TERMINAL 3 with the COSCO plan to set up an airport there. there is no connection in this, its COSCOs plan to have an logistics hub with an airport component in it. end of story.

3. NAIA IS NEARING its saturation point. even with the opening of T3, NAIA can not be expanded anymore. read the findings of the experts on this. and therefore

4. it needs DMIA, a large modern terminal. again the experts agree on this. funding will come from foreign investors.

5. sorry dude. OF COURSE i expect the philippine population to be more than 100 million in less than 20 yrs. THE POPULATION today is ALREADY 87 OR more million.

you know what, it will be close to a HUNDRED MILLION already in a FEW YEARS.

poverty is declining, not fast enough, but its declining, those living in poverty, their number in percentage will go down, not up. given the fast aging western nations, i think its a good chance to build pinoy communities all over the world. for example canada. pinoy community is fast becoming bigger and bigger. thats a good development. same in europe.

sorry, but, just based on the way you reacted when i mentioned i expect the philippines population to be well more than a hundred million in 20 years. your reaction is really like..as if its not going to happen or totally unrealistic.

the philippines population will rise to more than 140 million in the year 2040

just take a look here:

http://www.census.gov.ph/data/sectordata/popproj_tab2r.html

http://www.census.gov.ph/data/pressrelease/2006/pr0620tx.html

[3cr]

China's Cosco to invest $5B in RP logistics hub


China Ocean Shipping (Group) Co. (Cosco), China's biggest shipping firm, will invest $5 billion in the Philippines for the construction of a logistics hub in a province south of Manila, Trade Secretary Peter Favila said on Wednesday.

Favila said Cosco officials led by Captain Wei Jiafu, chief executive officer and executive vice president, would be in Manila next week to firm up the investment plans.

"Cosco said it would need between $4 billion and $5 billion just to convert Sangley Point into a fully operational commercial port," Favila said.

Favila said Cosco chose Sangley Point for its deep harbor but said the plan would require some reclamation to accommodate the land requirement.

Favila added that the Philippine Navy, most of whose fleet is headquartered in Sangley Point, was assured by Cosco that they would co-exist in the area.

Sangley Point occupies the northern portion of the Cavite City peninsula.

The base has a two-kilometer-long airstrip (part of the Danilo Atienza Air Base), which is the home of the Philippine Air Force's 15th Strike Wing.

After the conversion, Sangley Point would be home to a big seaport that could service giant "super panamax" container ships and to an international airport.

Sangley Point used to be a major ship-

Political intrusions mar Cosco major plan
By Ayen Infante
http://www.tribune.net.ph/business/20070724bus2.html

Giant China shipmaker Ocean Shipping Co. (Cosco), world’s second largest shipping firm, is seriously considering to skip Sangley Point, a military naval base in Cavite, from its plan for a major hub due to confusions caused by the presence of political personalities in the multibillion-dollar project, according to a top businessman privy to the negotiations.

The possibility to drop the original project site in Cavite which was the same location being pushed by President Arroyo when Cosco top executives went to Manila early last month, was reportedly being considered to appease the China-owned shipping company when the said political personalities and government officials started to intrude in the project apparently to solicit participation, sources said.

The official even recalled that when the Chinese group was supposed to meet the economic managers and some government officials including chief of the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) Romulo Neri, former secretary of Budget and Management, newly appointed Energy Secretary Angelo Reyes and Trade and Industry head Peter Favila who was assigned as the point man in-charge of the group in that welcome dinner held in Malacañang, Favila reportedly snubbed the Chinese team by not attending the event.

The official confirmed that even before the story on President Arroy’s issuance of Executive Order (EO) 629 came out, the Cosco group and Favila had not even had a chance to discuss the details of the said project.

What was quite strange, he said, was when Favila was quoted in newspapers that he had a meeting with the Cosco officials when in fact it was only lately that the DTI chief had been requesting to arrange a meeting with the Cosco group. “I don’t know where he (Favila) was getting his information.”

“Maybe it was only later he (Favila) realized the magnitude of the project when a news article on Cosco investments plan in the Philippines came out in the London Financial Times,” the official added.

But Favila, when interviewed by business reporters in a sidelights of an event in Makati City last week, announced Malacañang’s issuance of EO 629 and discussed other important details of the proposed project. “All I know is that he (Favila) has never met the group yet.”

EO 629 signed by Mrs. Arroyo on June 21, 2007, calls for the Philippine Reclamation Authority (PRA) to transform Sangley Point into an international logistics hub complete with an operational port under the Sangley Point Development project which was proposed as early as 2002.

The proposed project involves the reclamation of some 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point for mixed-use development that will feature a modern naval and air base, regional hub seaport capable of servicing giant super panamax container ships, an international airport, housing and livelihood facilities, commercial and industrial areas, schools, hospitals and other institutional facilities, parks, playgrounds and other amenities and roads and rail system.

The EO was said to be promised by Mrs. Arroyo to former Sen. Ramon Revilla Jr. who was appointed as the chair of PRA. Malacañang wants to develop the former military camp but needs foreign investors to fund the project.

But in the process of negotiations, the senior Revilla recommended the participation of his son-in-law, former Sen. Robert Jaworski. Apart from them, there was also the close involvement of former Bureau of Immigration head Andrea Domingo.The scenario has forced Cosco to negotiate for another business site, the official added.

He added the government may present new business sites to the Chinese company when its officials visits the country once more before the end of the month. This week, the group is scheduled to arrive here and visit Subic on 25th, and may also see Sangley on the 24th.

Prior to that meeting, the official said he has already asked Neda, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources, now headed by former Manila Mayor Lito Atienza, and the DTI to “agree among themselves” what should be presented and offered to the China-owned company.

_____________________

^^ Ay naku baka mabulilyaso pa to. Itong mga politiko talaga oh! :bash:

[lochinvar]

I fear the Greeks bearing gift. Poor Troy.

[Alo]

@midwestguy

another question, you always say, the need to have a big huge terminal at DMIA is not there, the passenger demand is not there.

the need, wheter its passenger or cargo is just not there,

so tell me, why did thailand build suvarnabhumi airport? thailand got of course a lot more tourists, around 13 million a year. the phils around 3 million.

but if you really only go by this. why that HUGE airport built for 45 MILLION PASSENGER a year, and they want to expand it til 2015 to handle 100 MILLION PASSENGER A YEAR.

AGAIN! 100 MILLION IN A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND 45 MILLION NOW!

so, even if the tourist numbers will explode and thailand would start to send its citizens abroad to take up jobs, what would it be then? 20 million passengers? maybe 25 million?

going by this numbers, why would they build an airport like that? nearly double the size they really need??? and the old airport is still in business. and already they are planning expanding it? can you explain that to me, using your logic?

and to your comment, where will the government get the money?..from taxes , from the expanded VAT. from international investors. they got the money thanks to prez arroyo's fiscal reforms.

just read this, its all about infrastructure, and they are doing it, right now.

http://www.gov.ph/news/?i=18246

[papi_chulo]

the u.s is not developing our terminal. our country is starving for developement and jobs. if the chinese are willing to do it, more power to them. seems like only the chinese are willing to invest in our country in this big time projects. i welcome them with open arms.
U-S tops list of RP investors

American businessmen topped the list of foreign investors in the first semester this year with P26.3-billion worth of projects followed by Japanese with P12.7 billion.

http://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/docs/biz_progress/current/us_top_investor.html

[cruizer333444]

tp papi_chulo-----can you tell me what big time projects the americans have in our country?

[Alo]

@cruizer

ever heard about the 1 billion texas instruments investment in clark? i would call that a big time project.

[midwestguy1]

hayyyy alo, I don't think you understand my point. To make it simple.. DMIA do need a new facility because there is an increase in pax activities from then on.. YES, BUt BuILDING an international airport that is about the size of CHangi or HK or even the new china airport isn't warranted YET. They need to build an airport according to current needs that has allowable space for expansion. For instance, since they are building a new terminal building that will accomodate the LCC airline companies, if the current pAX actvts is about 1 million a year, they need to start with an airport that is about the size of an airport initially for let's say 5 to 10 million pax year, but the plan should have substantial room for further more expansion til it reach let's say 100 million pax yearly. That is more appropriate. Mactan airport has been there for years and with the tourism in that region is booming, they hasn't made the 10 mil pax mark most especially the international passengers. What more with DMIA??? then if T3 open by next year then for atleast 10 The philippines gov wouldn't have to worry about expanding right away and will give enough time to start expanding DMIA little by little until NAIA is totally relieved by DMIA.

With Sangley?? You are getting waaayyyyyyyyyy too excited about it and we don't even know how far this would really push through. Besides considering the proximity of Sangley to manila itself and a room for building road via coastal road is just perfect. It would make it so much easier to plan it there since COSCO is planning to reclaim the land in that area. There is someone sponsoring it already, with DMIA, there are plans but they would still be looking for a foreign investor to fund the mega plan for future DMIA. There is nothing wrong to aspire and dream for this but the reality is, the Philippines can't afford to fund these on it's own, not with the billions of dollars the Philippines incure before Marcos time up to the current administration. Don't forget that the Philippines is very much in debt still.

The Philippine government isn't that stupid to allow the chinese to set up a naval base there even if the greedy politicians are unstable and are constantly fighting on who wants to sit in the number one office in the Philippines. I'm sure the Philippine government will seek help from the US or the US will not allow to have a chinese military build-up anywhere. Wait the minute? What gave you an idea that the chinese will just or automatically set up a naval base in SANGLEY?? Do you know of any other chinese naval installations elsewhere in the world outside china? as far as I know nowhere, even in Vietnam they don't even have one???

[JustHorace]

Wonderful project! I just hope politicking would leave this alone. Ang kulit talaga ng mga Pinoy!

[Alo]

@midwestguy

i am not saying the chinese are building a naval station in the phils. :lol: :lol:

in the last few years china became more cooperative when it comes to the south china sea problem, spratly island. the philippines increased its security cooperation , and the ASEAN countries are pursuing their integration, acting more and more as one group versus china.

the chinese are using softpower and investments to allay fears in south east asia that their rising nation will pose a threat in the future to the national security of the surrounding countries.

its a well known and often described technique the chinese use, to make friends in south east asia. coming from this thought, i looked at the sangley point investment from that point of view.

why did the philippines sign the visiting forces agreement with the usa? one reason was the occupation of islets in the south china sea by the chinese. it became quiet in the last few years, but just a couple of weeks ago, the chinese navy shot at a vietnamese fishing vessel. i read about this in an japanese newspaper.

but its a fact, that china is using is new wealth to convince asian neighbours, that the rise of china is good, that it is something all asian countries can profit. the question is, how will they behave in the future.

nowadays its only japan and the usa that are worried, every other nations seems to be very enthusiastic about the opportunities rather than the threats or challenges a rising china poses to them.

about DMIA, i just got a different opinion on this, now that we are talking about the chinese, its a chinese consortium doing a study, and probably they will also be the ones who will build a terminal at DMIA. who knows.

there are already rumors that the chinese are looking for another site for the cosco-investment, so i think nothing is final yet.

[midwestguy1]

ALO>> 3. NAIA IS NEARING its saturation point. even with the opening of T3, NAIA can not be expanded anymore. read the findings of the experts on this. and therefore<<<

Once T3 is openned, congestion in naia will be relieved for the time being. They should not tear t1 down because it will help with the decongestion in NAIA, they can do some remodelling inside and upgrade. The government do need to address the 2 runways, both can still be used if they tickenned the aspalt layer to withhold the insult from the newer and heavier aircrafts. If the old domestic terminal is removed, the 2ndary runways can be widenned and somehow extended just from point where there are marking on where the planes needs to position before take off. The filipino traffic controlers are talented enough to handle these take off and landings. so there are 2 runways in NAIA already. NAIA isn't the only busiest and major airport in the world where runway is crossing each other, I used to have a picture in canada where it is bigger airport than NAIA but they have only 2 runway which crosses each other just like in NAIA , it is very much functional and so far is safe. If I am not mistaken it's the one in Vancouver Canada, but I have to check it again.

Yes, I read the article about NAIA is at it's near saturation point.

[wheel of steel]

COSCO will definitely construct a railway that will pass the Cavite Province all the way to PNR Grand Terminal in FTI Taguig...definitely....all the way to Mauban in Quezon....(LABART Project)...WOW!!

[wheel of steel]

^^ $1B from Texas Instruments.....NICE!!! Thanks a lot TI...:banana:

[papi_chulo]

tp papi_chulo-----can you tell me what big time projects the americans have in our country?
well sa sobrang dami baka d ko ma lista...well click d link and read, this news is from DTI...ill give you some investment from the u.s.a...$1B from Texas Instruments, Offshore investment, check your computer and most microchip there is from philippines;) even your processor(if its a pentiume), software companies...dami kaya nga sabi pinakamataas na nag invest is america next is japan...

http://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/docs/biz_progress/current/us_top_investor.html

[papi_chulo]

tp papi_chulo-----can you tell me what big time projects the americans have in our country?
U-S firm commits more RP investments

NASDAQ-listed Lawson Software has committed to invest some $6 million in the next two to three months, in addition to the $15 million it has already sunk into its Philippine facilities in less than two years.

http://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/docs/biz_progress/current/lawson_commits_more_investment.html

[midwestguy1]

@midwestguy

i am not saying the chinese are building a naval station in the phils. :lol: :lol:

in the last few years china became more cooperative when it comes to the south china sea problem, spratly island. the philippines increased its security cooperation , and the ASEAN countries are pursuing their integration, acting more and more as one group versus china.

the chinese are using softpower and investments to allay fears in south east asia that their rising nation will pose a threat in the future to the national security of the surrounding countries.

its a well known and often described technique the chinese use, to make friends in south east asia. coming from this thought, i looked at the sangley point investment from that point of view.

why did the philippines sign the visiting forces agreement with the usa? one reason was the occupation of islets in the south china sea by the chinese. it became quiet in the last few years, but just a couple of weeks ago, the chinese navy shot at a vietnamese fishing vessel. i read about this in an japanese newspaper.

but its a fact, that china is using is new wealth to convince asian neighbours, that the rise of china is good, that it is something all asian countries can profit. the question is, how will they behave in the future.

nowadays its only japan and the usa that are worried, every other nations seems to be very enthusiastic about the opportunities rather than the threats or challenges a rising china poses to them.

about DMIA, i just got a different opinion on this, now that we are talking about the chinese, its a chinese consortium doing a study, and probably they will also be the ones who will build a terminal at DMIA. who knows.

there are already rumors that the chinese are looking for another site for the cosco-investment, so i think nothing is final yet.


Well, that was your concern about the chinese investing and setting up a port in Sangley, you said " you are concern with it for security reason that the US is a close ally of the Philippine gov, that THEY MIGHT SET UP A NAVAL BASE" using the port as a front. That came from you and not me. That is why I asked you if you know of any military installations the chinese government is setting up else where in the world outside China. Read your own previous post.

[midwestguy1]

@midwestguy

i am not saying the chinese are building a naval station in the phils. :lol: :lol:

why did the philippines sign the visiting forces agreement with the usa? one reason was the occupation of islets in the south china sea by the chinese. it became quiet in the last few years, but just a couple of weeks ago, the chinese navy shot at a vietnamese fishing vessel. i read about this in an japanese newspaper.

Like I said, you were the one who brought up that the chinese will use this port in Sangley to establish a naval base there. That came from you..

The main reason why the Philippines sign an agreement with the US is that the philippines can't control the Abu Sayaf from spreading terrorism in form of bombing and the increasing case of tourist of foreign kidnappings in the Philippines for ransom. Spratley Issue is being addressed in the UN council long time ago even before the US Visiting forces. You mentioned that chinese shot a vietnamese vessel from a japanese newspaper? It looks like the vietnamese are fishing in the area where the chinese has claim in a chain of Islands down that area in Spratly, not the Islands already occupied by the Philippine forces...

[Alo]

@midwestguy

no, i did not say the chinese will built a naval base. i said, a logistics hub, a shipping port, FOR COMMERCIAL USE, of course not a MILITARY NAVAL BASE.

about VFA, sorry, i could post hundreds of sites which will explain to you why the phils signed the VFA and how they used the abu sayyaf or the fight against terrorism in the phils for covering up the true nature why the phils and the usa increased security cooperation, there has been terrorism in the philippine south for decades, the vfa is not related to that, also not the MLSA , mutual logistics and services agreement.

and the shooting at the viet vessel is subject to an investigation right now, done by the viet government, nobody knows what really happened. just in the south china sea, where exactly they did not reveal it.

you say they adressed the spratly issue in the united nations? thats not the case, read the ASEAN-CHINA declaration of the SOUTH CHINA SEA, the CODE OF CONDUCT, and google SPRATLY islands , and you'll see what is going on. the chinese even preferred to settle this in bilateral talks, but changed their attitude. now its asean-china doing it.

the chinese, together with the phils and vietnam are currently undertaking a seismic study on the area, its possible they will turn it into a tripartite agreement, but this is still up for discussions.

you really missed my point on this, about the cosco thing. setting up a BUSINESS, whatever it is, WHETER a LOGISTICS HUB or a THEME park, or even a huge CALL center or whatever, in areas that are critical to national security, or with other words, in AREAS THAT COULD BE used for letting the US forces set up a naval base, or military base in the future, could be what the chinese got in mind.

setting up a business in those areas will make the chances a lot smaller for the usa- forces and the philippine government to let the americans set up a base there. nothing elst.

nobody knows how china will behave, and its possible the philippines will decide to let the americans have permanent bases in the country again, but having chinese companies, occupying all the areas which could be sites for these bases, and in the same time having huge investments in the phils, will make it harder for the phils to let the americans set up base in the phils again, more of a balancing act . thats the point i raised.

you said i am waaayyyyyy to excited about this project, yes i am, but its nothing compared to a possible announcement of a HUUUGE AND LARGE DMIA-TERMINAL...i would start to bleed out of my nose sooooo excited i would be abou that.. lol


just found this article in Business Mirror:

Sangley or Subic for Cosco?

By Max V. de Leon
Reporter

EXECUTIVES of China’s shipping giant China Ocean Shipping Group Co. (Cosco) are in Manila to look into the possibility of making the area between Subic and Clark an alternative location for its multibillion-dollar logistics hub project if its original choice, Sangley Point in Cavite, proves to be unsuitable.

Francis Chua, special trade and investment envoy to China, said the Cosco delegation led by its executive vice president, Li Jianhong, has scheduled separate trips to Sangley Point and the Subic Bay Freeport—the sites that are now vying for the huge investment.

The Cosco team has also set a meeting with the Navy to inquire into the possible extent of the Sangley Point area, which hosts a naval base, that the company can use for its transshipment facility should it choose Cavite over Subic.

Chua said these are parts of the final stages of the feasibility study that Cosco is doing before pushing through with the project. In two days, Chua added, Cosco would have probably decided which site is more suitable.

He added the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA) came knocking on Cosco’s doors and offered the free port and the areas from Subic to Clark at a time when Cosco was hesitating on its choice of Sangley Point. “Right now Subic is still in the running because the SBMA said that corridor could still be utilized.”

What is certain, according to him, is that Cosco had definitely decided on the Philippines.

[Alo]

the true reasons why the chinese are still looking for other sites than sangley, the article in the tribune is just a rumor and a story fabricated by some irresponsible journalists.

http://www.tribune.net.ph/business/20070724bus2.html


read below:


Cosco eyes Subic, Sangley as possible invest sites

By MA. ELISA P. OSORIO
The Philippine Star

Chinese shipping giant China Ocean Shipping Co. is seriously eyeing the 93-kilometer strip between Subic and Clark as a possible location of their multi-billion dollar investment in the country.

“Cosco officials are here on a two-day visit to look at Subic and Sangley Point,” Francis Chua, special Philippine envoy on China trade and investments, said in an interview Tuesday.

According to Chua, Cosco vice-president LiJian Xiong and executive vice-president Li Jianhong went to Sangley Point in Cavite Tuesday and is scheduled to visit Subic Wednesday.

“They want to evaluate the two areas. They want to see if the areas can accommodate the facilities they want to build,” Chua said.

Chua said Cosco’s initial plans include the development of a land where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors. There will be a repairing ships and building ships.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

The move of the Chinese investor is contrary to earlier statements made by Trade Secretary Peter Favila who claimed Cosco has finally decided to pluck in their $3-billion to $5-billion investment in the naval base in Cavite.

“The Chinese liked Sangley Point. They considered other locations but they chose to develop Sangley into a fully operational commercial port,” Favila said last week.

However, Chua said the Chinese are concerned if there is enough space for them in the Sangley Point naval base. “They need a lot of space. They are not certain if the Cavite property will be enough.”

According to Chua, the Philippine Reclamation Authority has told him that Philippine Airlines (PAL) is moving in the naval base to extend the runway of the international airport in order to accommodate the flag carrier’s 747 planes.

Currently, the runway is two kilometers. Chua said the 747 requires seven kilometers so the new runway would eat up five kilometers.

In spite of the confusion as to where the investment is going to be located, Chua said he is confident that the Chinese will not move their business to another country like Vietnam.

“We will not allow that to happen. One thing is sure, Cosco will locate in the Philippines,” Chua stressed.

Founded in 1961 as the pioneer international shipping carrier in China, Cosco has grown into a $17-billion global company. It owns and operates 600 various types of ships operating in 1,300 ports in more than 160 countries and regions worldwide.

[kalbongdad]

you are making so much ado about nothing....its plane and simple economics...the philippines needs investments...it will welcome any country ..it just so happens now that the chinese economy is doing very well and it has lots of surplus money to invest with...if you have noticed chinese investments is everywhere nowadays...in africa...asia..in the u.s. and europe even...it is just filling the void left by the u.s. ...china has already upstage russia...it is the center of envy now by the u.s. let us face it..it's china's time
china has now overtaken u.s. as the most visited country in the world...and it has increased its influence in asia and africa...

if i may comment on the VFA thing....the U.S. needs it more than the philippines....we have survived rather well without the american bases....sbma and clark has created more jobs than the u.s. bases can possibly provide...the philippines is admittedly militarily weak but it is not helpless in dealing with the insurgents...remember that since the closing of the bases we did not get any military assistance from the u.s. but we survived...the VFA is a tool for america to handle its fear... that the muslim rebels in the south...will export their terrorist activities to the u.s. after 9/11...and it is a way they could train their soldier in an environment of actual conflict...

the world very well know that the american military is the most powerful in the world because of it's weapon's technological superiority ...but when it comes to personnel warfare and man to man combat...it continues to suffer humiliating defeats from inferiorly armed military of other countries....a good example...the bay of pigs in cuba...the vietnam war...and now the iraq war...the u.s. may have bombed iraq into the middle ages but it has not broken its will to fight and that... my friend...cannot be defeated by any technologically advanced military weapons.....america has lost its bearing and confidence since these series of defeats....it has not regained it since....the wars entered into by the americans are waged miles away...and is only good for a week or two...in a prolonged war they always end up packing their bags and going home defeated.....leaving the devastation they have created ......and that my friend is being repeated again in iraq ...again a technologically advance super power is on the verge of going home once again humiliated.......

going back to the chinese in sangley .... if the chinese can beautifully develop that area...well and good it is a good help to the philippines...the philippines needs all the investments it can get...that area was occupied by the americans but nothing happened to it....

[cruizer333444]

the americans are going broke. if we wait for american investments, its like watching paint dry.

[wheel of steel]

^^ LET'S BE PROUD TO HAVE AN ASIAN INVESTORS led by Japan, South Korea and China.....:banana:

[wheel of steel]

the americans are going broke. if we wait for american investments, its like watching paint dry.

the americans are going broke. if we wait for american investments, its like waiting for war to happen...he he he he.....:lol: JOKE!!!

[Arkdriver]

wait, the man said 747 needs 7-kilometer runway? does he really know anything about aviation? Do PAL plans to park their plane in a long line tail to head? absurd....

[Alo]

@ ssangyongs

yes i was also wondering about that, but i think he meant both runways together will be 7 kilometers. which means two runways with a lenghts of 3.5 kilometers. but i assume , the guy messed up something or the journalist did not hear the exact number.:ohno: :ohno:

[midwestguy1]

@midwestguy

exactly, the US is our ally, and thats exactly the reason why there is some concern on this!!!!

as i mentioned earlier, the chinese are setting up a logistics hub in a very critical area, means, this area in sangley point could easily be used by the us-naval forces if tensions in the south china sea erupt anew.

Okay, I guess I misread "us-naval forces" for the Chinese because the "US"-part was typed in a small case so, i'm sorry for that. But anyway,How can the US would use the chinese established sea port in Sangley Point? They won't just move in that area without the Philippine government's approval as well as UN Council considering the Philippines would be a 3rd party hath there would be a US-China Tension. The US do not need to set up a naval base in Sangley primarily because of the bases in Korea and Japan, as well as in Guam and Hawaii. US can easy send a stealth bomber either for attack or simple reconaisance mission. Technology these days are far more advanced since world war 2 so don't get yourself all worked up or panicked on this aspect. Besides, why would the US government be worried about the Chinese helping the Philippines to build a civilian port and airport in Sangley??? That is far far threat to the US interest that they would even pay much attention to these developments between china and the Philippines.

[midwestguy1]

ALO ==you really missed my point on this, about the cosco thing. setting up a BUSINESS, whatever it is, WHETER a LOGISTICS HUB or a THEME park, or even a huge CALL center or whatever, in areas that are critical to national security, or with other words, in AREAS THAT COULD BE used for letting the US forces set up a naval base, or military base in the future, could be what the chinese got in mind.

setting up a business in those areas will make the chances a lot smaller for the usa- forces and the philippine government to let the americans set up a base there. nothing elst. <<<<


----ME: Who would encourage the US to set up a naval base in sangley?
Who is going to let the US to set up a naval base in Sangley?? For what purpose?? Is there already a tension between china and america? Will there be one in future?? Why Are you having all these negative thoughts or ideas?? Is the Philippines under threat from the Chinese???

[midwestguy1]

the americans are going broke. if we wait for american investments, its like waiting for war to happen...he he he he.....:lol: JOKE!!!

Wait, I know there are already alot of US investments in the Philippines. One of them is timex. That movie or something in cebu that is supposed to set the Philippines to be the hollywood of asia. Let's see, Marriott Hotel chain is a US hotel base what else. MCI call centers, IT help for different US computer corporations such as Hewitt-packard, intel and Dell are all american companies set up in the Philippines. Ofcourse there are alot Koreans and Japanese investors as well because of the close proximity of the two contries to the Philippines because it is cheaper for these companies to set up their business in the Philippines.

[NOVO ECIJANO]

Latest Cosco update...

Cosco picks two sites for $3-B project


CHINESE shipping giant China Ocean Shipping Co. is splitting between Sangley Point and Subic its planned investment in an Asian cargo hub worth at least $3 billion, having seen both sites during a visit here last month.

Francis Chua, presidential adviser on China trade and investments, said in an interview that a team of experts from Cosco's diverse operations in the region had seen the advantages of both locations and that the group did not want to pass up on either.

In a week-long sortie last month, half of the team visited Sangley Point--the subject of an executive order mandating its development into an international logistics hub--while another went to Subic, which is fast becoming a maritime center in East Asia.

"[They] want Sangley Point because of its nearness to Manila, and Subic, because it offers the best options for eventual expansion of operations," Chua said. "They found the two areas really attractive."

He said the team would meet up with Cosco top brass in Beijing to consolidate and assess their findings, and to figure out their next steps.

"Part of what they would decide on would be a second visit and how to go into a more detailed approach to realize their shipping hub," he said.

Chua, who is also president of the Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said everything was still subject to a comprehensive assessment and feasibility analysis.

Still, he said that while Cosco was focusing on Sangley and Subic, local government executives in other provinces across the country was offering alternative sites for the project.

In an earlier interview, he said Cosco was prepared to foot the entire bill for the development of whichever site would be chosen, including land reclamation and port construction.

He said Cosco was fully committed to have a cargo hub in the Philippines, which would be a gathering point for shipments from all over the region on the way to the United States.

Cosco needs enough land area that could accommodate a pier and a container yard or about 50 hectares to 100 hectares.

Founded in 1961 as a pioneering international shipping carrier in China, Cosco is a $17-billion corporation that provides services in freight forwarding, shipbuilding, shiprepairing, terminal operation, trade, financing, real estate and information technology industry.

Cosco owns and operates a variety of merchant fleet of some 600 vessels with total carrying capacity of up to 35 million dead weight tons, which help accommodate a yearly traffic volume of at least 300 million tons.

The group has subsidiaries spread in Guangzhou, Shanghai, Tianjin, Qingdao, Dalian, Xiamen and Hong Kong, and owns and operates various types of ocean shipping fleets for the shipment of containerships, bulk carriers, oil tankers as well as specialized carriers.

Cosco's ships and containers call on some 1,300 ports in at least 160 countries and regions worldwide.

[Raven83]

Few weeks ago I was just mooting the Idea of building an alternative airport for Southern Manila being built in Sangley as opposed to the one in Clark, Now mukhang reality na!

[kiretoce]

Few weeks ago I was just mooting the Idea of building an alternative airport for Southern Manila being built in Sangley as opposed to the one in Clark, Now mukhang reality na!

Hmm....while you're at it, why not cover all bases and build another airport on the eastern fringes of the Metro too? :lol:

NAIA for those within the Metro.
Clark for those north of the Metro.
Sangley for those south of the Metro.
???? for those east of the Metro.

:okay:

[TheAvenger]

Few weeks ago I was just mooting the Idea of building an alternative airport for Southern Manila being built in Sangley as opposed to the one in Clark, Now mukhang reality na!

actually NAIA should be converted to domestic airport.

Clark to be expanded to accomodate more heavy aircrafts... to be full fledged international airport.

another international airport can be built either in Batangas, Tagaytay, or
Sangley.

there is no point to built an airport east of Manila since it is already Sierra Madre mountain range. can build another international airport east of Sierra Madre mountain range.... that would be in Aurora province ( Infanta maybe )

an airport in Aurora should be convertible for military use ......

[Alo]

@midwestguy

to clarify this, i want the philippines to trade with china. on every level, i welcome every investment done in the philippines. i am very excited about the Cosco-investment.

BUT, in the same time, i see, they COULD become a security threat, nobody knows. thats why, i want the philippines to do everything to prevent china to become a negative force.

i posted a link about a new article about this problem below, if you read it, you will see they mention a defence pact between usa-japan-australia. the reason is they want to be prepared if china would choose the path to become a negative force in the region, while working hard to integrate china and become a positive force, one that contributes to the development of the whole region.

for the philippines this means, support the security cooperation between the united states and it allies in the region, increase secuirty cooperation with like minded democratic states such as japan, australia and india. work hard within ASEAN to increase defence cooperation among south east asian states.
if this happens, china will not become a bully in the region.

the chinese know, that if they push around one state, all of them will gang up on china, this message has to be clear, and the philippines has done a great job so far. being the main driving force to have the asean south china sea declaration signed, still working hard to have a binding code of conduct. pushing for an ASEAN Union. signing of the just concluded defence pact with australia. i think these are the right things to do. to be prepared, but not to close door for working together and prosper together.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=news3_aug3_2007

[dancethingy]

@gellox, boy you got a lot pent up inside!



This is a very good thread guys, keep it up. It really explores the evolving relationship the Philippines is experiencing with China and The United States. Its amazing because we are smack dab in between China and the United States. In the future, if anything happens between the two, we are going to be a major strategic area.

I hope nothing does happen between China and the US cause i don't want us getting caught in between. REMEMBER INTRAMUROS EVERYBODY, we lost priceless cultural artifacts and landmarks because of world war 2. We were a fucking battleground between Japan and America.

From the look of things, it seems that America is losing influence over ASEAN and that is a big mistake. To me, the Philippines is America's most important Asian Ally if you consider our location and cultural ties. China's growing influence however shows how America has lost focus since Iraq and China has been taking advantage of this. China knows how important we are strategically and that is why they have gone all out in investing on infrastructure here.

[dancethingy]

@ alo and midwesternguys, i think you guys have the same idea that's just being expressed differently.

China is a dragon right now and we cannot fight this dragon, the only way to play it right now is to maintain diplomatic relationships in order to avoid conflict. We can make China's rise positive for us if we play things right. While China rises, ASEAN must form a tight union in order to balance things out. No doubt, Japan and South Korea will be close allies for us. We cannot fight China's rise by seeming combative, i think we can do more good with diplomacy in that we can influence China's policies to make China's rise something positive, not negative.

We in Asia; ASEAN, Japan, and Korea are doing our part to counterbalance the rise of China. We are certainly living up to that challenge, but its America that is failing right now. America should've invested in sangley because it would've left China with little strategic option in the country. America's presence in Clark and Subic are still strong, especially with texas instruments investing 1billion in Clark. Sangley, which is just as prime a location as Clark should have been sealed by the United States in order to prevent greater Chinese presence in the country.

I hope the next American president can sense the shift in power over asia, because if SHE DOESN'T (wink, wink) it may be too late.

[Alo]

COSCO to develop Sangley Point as int’l airport, seaport, logistics hub



By BERNIE CAHILES–MAGKILAT

China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO), the world’s second biggest shipping company in terms of cardo carrying capacity, is now finalizing land development and engineering plans to convert Sangley Point in Cavite City into an international logistics hub with modern seaport and airport at a cost of $ 4 billion to $ 5 billion.


This has been made possible after President Gloria Macapagal Aroyo issued Executive Order No 629 last month allowing COSCO to proceed with the project after scouting several other sites in the counry.

Senator Ramon Revilla Jr. sought for Arroyo’s issuance of an EO to allow the conversion of Sangley Point into a fully operational international logistics hub.

Under EO 629, an executive committee was created to oversee the development of Sangley Point.

It also directed the Philippine Reclamation Authority (PRA) to develop the Sangley Point into an international logistic hubs with container port and airport complex and an economic processing zone with cyberparks through a private sector joint venture under a build-operate-transfer scheme. An interagency technical committee was also created to assist the PRA.

COSCO will reclaim 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point, mostly near in Baccor, because the COSCO project is not supposed to displace the Philippine Navy, which is headquartered in Sangley Point.

Based on the EO, provision of an international container port complex that would include an airport and seaport in Sangley Point is necessary to maximize the use of the R-I Expressway Extension now under construction.

The viability of the project would be enhanced by undertaking reclamation work in the portions of Bacoor and Canaco Bays as this would provide a significant expansion district to the limited land area of Cavite City.

Sangley Point, is a former US, Naval Base Port located on the northernmost tip of Cavite City Peninsula, is presently being used by the Philippine Navy for ship repair and dry docking purposes. It is just 6 kilometers into the sea.

This facility has the following comparative advantages and potentials for growth: A bay location that provides potential for sea transport, existing air and port facilities which could be upgraded and improved, it has a military airport which has a concrete runway of 229 x 22 meters, and road links, which provide access to Manila and CALABARZON growth corridors.

Aside from Sangley Point terminal, no other terminal in Cavite was developed particularly for the purpose of commercial ferry services. The commercial ferry services from Cavite City to Roxas Boulevard in Manila and from Cavite City to Corregidor Island which had been using Sangley Point terminal since 1967 had been stopped in September 2001 for security reasons.

COSCO officials led by its CEO Capt. Jiafu Wei began looking for a project site in the Philippies few months ago considering that the rapid economic growth in Southeast Asia today has brought about transportation bottlenecks in the region.

"I believe we need to find an area where the transshipment would be reasonable, convenient and efficient. We are now in the process of re-identifying this area," Wei told a press conference.

"We want to look into the terminal, logistics, shipbuilding and repair and maintenance facilities," Wei he said. Wei further urged the Philippines to stay competitive with other countries, which are also offering the same transshipment hub concept.

"We are hopeful, in line with the National Economic and Development Authority’s vision of developing the domestic logistics system, that the Philippines will become another logistics center in Asia," Wei added.

With a fleet of 770 ships and a combined tonnage of more than 47 million deadweight tons, Wei said that COSCO is now in the best position to make investments in the region. Its vessels call on 1,300 ports in 160 countries.

Among countries in the region, Wei cited the rapid growth of trade between the Philippines and China from only $ 5.2-billion in 2002 to $ 10 billion in 2004. Last year, two-way trade reached $ 23.41 billion making the Philippines China’s fourth largest trading partner in Southeast Asia.

Aside from the logistics and shipping business, COSCO is also engaged in financing, real estate, information technology and soon in the mining business.

The COSCO group owns almost 1,000 companies all over the world employing a total of 80,000 people.

[ryanr]

Thread is open again. I removed the off-topic posts and relocated it (users cannot see it however). They are NOT deleted, fyi.

Please refrain from going off topic. I decided to keep some of Alo and Midwestguy's early debate on the topic as it was a good, clean debate. From this point on, please stay on the topic of COSCO's development plans on Sangley Point. Thanks.

[Alo]

Cosco firms up plans for $3-B hub


By Ronnel Domingo
Inquirer
Last updated 06:20pm (Mla time) 09/02/2007


A TEAM of experts from Chinese shipping giant China Ocean Shipping Co. will be making a third visit to the country to figure out how to split a $3-billion regional cargo hub between Sangley Point and Subic.

Francis Chua, presidential adviser on China trade and investments, said in an interview that the team had visited twice in July to look over the former US naval bases.

Cosco originally considered building a base at Sangley Point in Cavite, where it would collect shipments from various points in the region, before sending these out to the United States and other destinations in the Pacific.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has issued an executive order mandating the development of Sangley Point into an international logistics hub.

But Chua said the Cosco team, comprising experts from the group's diverse operations in the region, had seen the advantages of locating in Subic as well. He added Cosco did not want to pass up on either site.

"(My office and Cosco) are working to have this project started promptly," Chua said. "I have reason to believe it could be within the year ... this is a very crucial investment (for both sides)."

In an earlier interview, Chua, who is also honorary president of the Federation of Filipino-Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry, said Cosco wanted to build a shipping hub at Sangley Point, because of its nearness to Manila, as well as in Subic, because it offers the best option for eventual expansion of operations.

Chua said that while Cosco was studying Sangley and Subic, local government executives in other provinces across the country also offered alternative sites for the project.

He also said that Cosco was prepared to foot the entire bill for the development of whichever site was chosen, including land reclamation and port construction.

Cosco needs about 50 to 100 hectares on which to build a pier and container yard.

Founded in 1961 as an international shipping carrier in China, Cosco is now a $17-billion corporation that provides services in freight forwarding, shipbuilding, ship repair, terminal operation, trade, financing, real estate and information technology.

Cosco owns and operates a merchant fleet of some 600 vessels, with total carrying capacity of up to 35 million dead-weight tons.

[pinas4real]

This could be our chance to be the next Singapore and Hong Kong.... I hope politics will not be blocking this chance. With NBN and not North Rail Transit issues, maybe the Chinese investors are thinking twice on this project...

[AH-7Raja]

I brought up this issue before, & now i made a sketch based to what ive seen and partly remember from an engineer's plan a couple of years ago (it may not be the exact drawing):

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447373_7904.jpg

Ideally, there would supposed to be a new proposal of building a huge airport at sangley point by reclaiming part of manila bay. Its huge because the AFP will be sharing part of the airport and seaport with a naval base. The chinese were not really part of the original planners to build this ambitious project, it was actually us, not unless if some of those "filipino chinese" businessmen who were part of original planners 10 or 15 yrs ago, are somehow connected with those present chinese who wanted to be part of building this airport.

The new highways, tunnels, and railway system proposals were also part of the original plans including the transformation of the NAIA into a new progressive and business hub downtown manila city. Unfortunately we might not gonna see all of these to be materialized because of the too much corruptions going on in the government.

Anyway, to me this plan is excellent, with those runways facing away from crowded highrise buildings even with the seaport and naval base located just right beside the new airport. Again, there are no official blueprints or renderings on this one.

We'll see... Slowly they are revealing this rumor bit by bits. You people will believe me one day.

:cheers:

[AH-7Raja]

planned highways, rail system, airport, naval base and bridges:

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447464_9664.jpg

[mygz14]

I brought up this issue before, & now i made a sketch based to what ive seen and partly remember from an engineer's plan a couple of years ago (it may not be the exact drawing):

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447373_7904.jpg

Ideally, there would supposed to be a new proposal of building a huge airport at sangley point by reclaiming part of manila bay. Its huge because the AFP will be sharing part of the airport and seaport with a naval base. The chinese were not really part of the original planners to build this ambitious project, it was actually us, not unless if some of those "filipino chinese" businessmen who were part of original planners 10 or 15 yrs ago, are somehow connected with those present chinese who wanted to be part of building this airport.

The new highways, tunnels, and railway system proposals were also part of the original plans including the transformation of the NAIA into a new progressive and business hub downtown manila city. Unfortunately we might not gonna see all of these to be materialized because of the too much corruptions going on in the government.

Anyway, to me this plan is excellent, with those runways facing away from crowded highrise buildings even with the seaport and naval base located just right beside the new airport. Again, there are no official blueprints or renderings on this one.

We'll see... Slowly they are revealing this rumor bit by bits. You people will believe me one day.

:cheers:

I can see that the rumored BCRMeX (C-6) is illustrated in your sketch. Also, the reclamation plans for the airport/seaport is also illustrated. If this plan would push through, it would put Cavite back in the World Map, again as a Ship Building facility just like before when Spanish Galleons were made at Fort San Felipe. Awesome and superb! Cheers! :cheers:

[AH-7Raja]

I can see that the rumored BCRMeX (C-6) is illustrated in your sketch. Also, the reclamation plans for the airport/seaport is also illustrated. If this plan would push through, it would put Cavite back in the World Map, again as a Ship Building facility just like before when Spanish Galleons were made at Fort San Felipe. Awesome and superb! Cheers! :cheers:

If that happened the government might take the new airport area within metro manila too like what some countries does including canada's pearson intl airport in mississauga now under metro toronto area.

Yup. The underground tunnels itself is amazing and very ambitious as it crosses the manila bay under water. I was thinking that what if they can extend the EDSA highway westward upto the new airport in the future and build it underground as well with a light rail system on it? Nice eh? I hope mrs glo will do something to push through this huge infrastructure project and put not only the cavite city but the whole philippines back to the map and be the next tiger economy in asia! I suggest while their building and upgrading the macapagal intl airport, start building the new sangley point airport with an expandable design so in the future the philippines can simply upgrade it and reactivate that shelved plans to make that sketch come true. :cheers:

[AH-7Raja]

Any latest developments here? Because some says the chinese backed off!

As you know there are conflicting reports that some kuwaiti companies wanted to build an airport somewhere 20 km away from manila, plus these chinese who also wanted to develop sangley point.


http://www.travelsmart.net/article/104820/

http://en.portnews.ru/digest/523/


Full dev’t of Sangley Point in the works

As it was during the Spanish and American colonial period, Sangley Point in Cavite will soon be the Philippines’ newest, biggest and most modern shipping and air transport support facility.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has directed an inter-agency group to look into the viability of converting some 4,000 hectares in Sangley Point into a major sea and air hub of global standards.

“The development of Sangley Point is a very ambitious program being sponsored by the Department of National Defense (DND),’’ said Presidential spokesman Rigoberto Tiglao.

“The President has tasked Defense Secretary Angelo Reyes and some of her advisers to look closely into the proposal,’’ Tiglao said.

In last week’s cabinet meeting, Reyes presented to President Macapagal-Arroyo an overview of the Sangley Point Development Project (SPDP) that involves the reclamation of some 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point for mixed-use development.

Reyes said the project calls for the establishment of a modern naval air base, which Sangley Point used to be in 1945-following the victory of the Allies in World War II.

He said Sangley Point would also be home to a big seaport that could service giant “super panamax’’ container ships and to an international airport.

Historically, Sangley Point served as a shipyard where the Spanish galleons were built and where American submarines berthed. It also had an airstrip where American bombers took off and landed during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines.

Reyes said the necessary amenities – to include housing and livelihood facilities; commerrcial and industrial areas; schools, hospitals, and other institutions; parks and playgrounds, roads and a rail system and others – would also be put up.

The President’s interest in seeing through the DND-initiated project was further reinforced when Reyes explained that the completion and operationalization of the SPDP would bring about massive employment, foreign exchange earnings and domestic revenues, and the use of local materials.

Besides this, the SPDP would free portions of the 600-hectare Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) complex for conversion to residential, commercial, and industrial uses.

It will also make available the headquarters of the Philippine Navy along Roxas Boulevard, to be transferred to the SPDP on its completion, for similar income-raising potential.

Reyes also stressed that revenue generated from the SPDP could be used for the Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program.

Sangley Point is located on a peninsula jutting into Manila Bay about eight miles southwest of Manila.

The peninsula got its name from Chinese merchants, then known as xiang-li, who were distrusted by the Spanish colonial government that ruled the country since 1527.

The Spanish colonizers restricted the business activities of the Chinese merchants to the narrow strip of land across the bay, which eventually bore their name.

[AH-7Raja]

I also learned that it was our former pres FVR who shut down the plans to build an international airport at sangley point on 1990.

http://hablachabacano.blogspot.com/2007/06/shipping-complex-at-sangley-point.html

Obviously, Sangley is a much sought-after piece of real estate and one strategically located in terms of shipping and transport. In the early 1990s, there were plans by the country's biggest taipans to build the International Airport in Sangley as well, but the plan was shot down by former President Fidel Ramos.

[le Reine]

^^why did he shoot down the proposal?

[Askal82]

^^ They were probably finalizing NAIA 3 for its construction. I just imagine what if the naia 3 plans gets scrapped to give way for a brand new airport at sangley point.

[tigidig14]

^^why did he shoot down the proposal?

walang kotong or less kotong was received

[pi_malejana]

^^ They were probably finalizing NAIA 3 for its construction. I just imagine what if the naia 3 plans gets scrapped to give way for a brand new airport at sangley point.

that'd be worse IMO.. NAIA just needs a new terminal, sangley meanwhile needs better road access, maybe even a rail system.. maybe a new runway too.. that means sangley would be experiencing the same, if not worse, controversy NAIA T3 is having today...:):cheers:

[tisoycuba]

yes ,need another runway, only one runway in sangley point kaya!maiksi pa

[AH-7Raja]

kung gagawa ng hi-end int'l airport sa sangley, kelengan ding gawan ng super highways doon to connect the surrounding cities. syempre kasama na yung modernong rail system!

[manchowyin]

Cosco still keen on RP – Favila
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Saturday, December 29, 2007
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Business&p=49&type=2&sec=27&aid=200712286

The China Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO) has not lost interest in investing billions of dollars in the Philippines, Trade Secretary Peter B. Favila said.

“COSCO is still interested to make the Philippines as its logistics hub in the region,” Favila said.

Favila was reacting to earlier reports that Cosco, which earlier proposed to invest $5 billion for a port in Sangley Point, will no longer invest their money in the country.

In November, Ambassador Francis, Chua special envoy on China trade and investments, said the project, which is expected to make the country a maritime power in the region, has been delayed as a result of the cancellation of the controversial broadband deal between the Philippine government and Chinese firm ZTE Corp.

Favila himself admitted that COSCO has not been in contact with him for months.

When asked if this is enough indication that COSCO has lost interest in investing in the country, Favila said “let me put it this way, all businessmen who would like to invest here talk to me constantly.”

The COSCO investment was first made public in May.

Initially, Cosco wanted to construct a modern port at the Navy headquarters in Cavite. Its initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

He added that Cosco’s facility is expected to generate about 100,000 jobs, particularly for the country’s seafarers.

Founded in 1961 as the pioneer international shipping carrier in China, Cosco has grown into a $17-billion global company. It owns and operates 600 various types of ships operating in 1,300 ports in more than 160 countries and regions worldwide.

[AH-7Raja]

Cosco still keen on RP – Favila
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Saturday, December 29, 2007
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Business&p=49&type=2&sec=27&aid=200712286

The China Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO) has not lost interest in investing billions of dollars in the Philippines, Trade Secretary Peter B. Favila said.

“COSCO is still interested to make the Philippines as its logistics hub in the region,” Favila said.

Favila was reacting to earlier reports that Cosco, which earlier proposed to invest $5 billion for a port in Sangley Point, will no longer invest their money in the country.

In November, Ambassador Francis, Chua special envoy on China trade and investments, said the project, which is expected to make the country a maritime power in the region, has been delayed as a result of the cancellation of the controversial broadband deal between the Philippine government and Chinese firm ZTE Corp.

Favila himself admitted that COSCO has not been in contact with him for months.

When asked if this is enough indication that COSCO has lost interest in investing in the country, Favila said “let me put it this way, all businessmen who would like to invest here talk to me constantly.”

The COSCO investment was first made public in May.

Initially, Cosco wanted to construct a modern port at the Navy headquarters in Cavite. Its initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

He added that Cosco’s facility is expected to generate about 100,000 jobs, particularly for the country’s seafarers.

Founded in 1961 as the pioneer international shipping carrier in China, Cosco has grown into a $17-billion global company. It owns and operates 600 various types of ships operating in 1,300 ports in more than 160 countries and regions worldwide.


I wonder if they did some renderings already, i know its still early though, because i made my own illustration again of how it may look.

Both Cosco, the Sangley Naval Base, and the added proposal of new Manila Int'l Airport are shown below.

http://a401.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_06316966fa060cd0d321fb5763a7f708.jpg

That is my ambitious plan. :)

[AH-7Raja]

This is what we gonna do to NAIA, once we build a new replacement.

NAIA will become a new commercial district, residential, and some industrial complex.

http://a658.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_8761ddc69eedd85e00e375a7827217e9.jpg

:cheers:

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ what a great plan and vision, but unfortunately, sorry AH-7Raja, your vision will not materialize as in the first place, the Ramos gov't already designated DMIA as the future premier airport of Manila and of the country and Pres. GMA wants that vision of the Ramos gov't to materialize during her term. as what i understand of COSCO on their plans for Sangley Point, they want Sangley Point to be a seaport hub with a supporting cargo airport

[Raven83]

^^ Even with government designation of premier airport hub, the law of supply and demand will still prevail. Investment in Sangley point of Cosco does include an airport and will surely be worth it if indeed constructed. The proximity to Manila CBD's and affluent Southern Suburbs of Manila will surely make it as a traveller's choice airport....

[kiretoce]

This is what we gonna do to NAIA, once we build a new replacement.

NAIA will become a new commercial district, residential, and some industrial complex.

http://a658.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_8761ddc69eedd85e00e375a7827217e9.jpg

:cheers:

:sly: Hmm....now is this a cold hard fact, or someone's illusion of grandeur?

[mwg12a]

^^ That's delusion of Grandeur more or less...

^^ what a great plan and vision, but unfortunately, sorry AH-7Raja, your vision will not materialize as in the first place, the Ramos gov't already designated DMIA as the future premier airport of Manila and of the country and Pres. GMA wants that vision of the Ramos gov't to materialize during her term. as what i understand of COSCO on their plans for Sangley Point, they want Sangley Point to be a seaport hub with a supporting cargo airport


Hell NO!!! This is arroyo's second term, even if she wins 3rd in a transitional federal government, she won't see DMIA as the major gateway in Luzon. For one thing, the highway and rail system isn't in place yet and even if they are, before all these projects could materialize? It will take 20 years to finish all in all, they have to do plan and construct it almost all together, from a new airport terminal, connecting highway and rail system, who among the people from the souther luzon would travel more than 3 hours to Clark to catch their 6 am flights ? They should push through with developing DMIA but having Sangley development is also beneficial to the filipino people....

[le Reine]

^^I agree.

[AH-7Raja]

relax people i never said its gonna happen :bash:

i said that is my ambitious plan, and i meant it as my dream, or more like a wish list. that is only a big IF we built a new replacement for naia then we will see this conversion thingies...

:cheers:

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ That's delusion of Grandeur more or less...




Hell NO!!! This is arroyo's second term, even if she wins 3rd in a transitional federal government, she won't see DMIA as the major gateway in Luzon. For one thing, the highway and rail system isn't in place yet and even if they are, before all these projects could materialize? It will take 20 years to finish all in all, they have to do plan and construct it almost all together, from a new airport terminal, connecting highway and rail system, who among the people from the souther luzon would travel more than 3 hours to Clark to catch their 6 am flights ? They should push through with developing DMIA but having Sangley development is also beneficial to the filipino people....

i did not say that it will be finish during GMA's term. what i mean is that she wants the DMIA dev't to jumpstart during her term so she can leave a legacy to her fellow cabalens...

[mwg12a]

^^^^ I see, good to know. Looks like she is still not gonna see any headstart on that development in her remaining two years in the office except the add on in the current terminal building. Surely, there is nothing yet with the highway and rail system to Clark from the Nation's capital. The Philippine government is still eyeballing on who would finance the construction of all the infrastructure leading to the materialization of dream gateway to the Philippines, I can see why? The Frapports mishap can cause investors to shy away in engaging business with the Phil gov.

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ actually the highway from Manila to DMIA is almost done. Phase 1 (NLEx rehabilitation) is complete while Phase 2 (SCTEx) is almost done and will be opening in March..

[RhapsodyBrat]

Any latest developments here? Because some says the chinese backed off!

As you know there are conflicting reports that some kuwaiti companies wanted to build an airport somewhere 20 km away from manila, plus these chinese who also wanted to develop sangley point.


my mom teaches at Sangley Elementary School, inside the base, and so far no development has taken place. noong una may pumupunta pa raw na mga truck ng COSCO pero ngayon wala na. the talk now is that COSCO has backed out and has chosen to concentrate on Subic instead.

[AH-7Raja]

finally... thanks rhapsodybrat!

[benchjade]

okay, close the thread hehehehe!!! JOKE

[anonymous_filipino]

just change the thread title coz its really misleading...

[AH-7Raja]

lets wait for few more months

[tisoycuba]

^^^^ I see, good to know. Looks like she is still not gonna see any headstart on that development in her remaining two years in the office except the add on in the current terminal building. Surely, there is nothing yet with the highway and rail system to Clark from the Nation's capital. The Philippine government is still eyeballing on who would finance the construction of all the infrastructure leading to the materialization of dream gateway to the Philippines, I can see why? The Frapports mishap can cause investors to shy away in engaging business with the Phil gov.

meron na po highway from Manila to Clark:lol:taga saan kaba:cheers::lol:

[RhapsodyBrat]

just change the thread title coz its really misleading...

tama ka diyan. the plan has always been to develop an international container port, never an international airport. dyosme, kung nag-international airport sila e di pati Noveleta gigibain nila para magkaroon ng sapat na espasyo. :lol:

another thing that's being talked about is hintayin daw na matapos ang term ni GMA. kasi nga si GMA lang naman ang nagpu-push niyan; di pa rin nila alam kung susuportahan ba ng sunod na gobyerno at ganitong plano.

[mwg12a]

meron na po highway from Manila to Clark:lol:taga saan kaba:cheers::lol:

Well, it still would take you more than 2 hours to get there. I have only visited the Philippines 4 times 15 days each time since i've moved back permanently in the US and I don't really go upnorth, actually never except once to go to Baguio which is really a painstakingly 5 hours with 1 hour stop over somewhere for lunch in our tour bus. Geographically, southern Luzon is greater than the North and populationwise, the central and southern part of Luzon is still more than those of the southern part of Luzon. Who would enjoy a land trip of more than 2 to 3 hours to DMIA using all these highways currently connecting the Capital Region, this doesn't include other cities beyond it in the southern border.... You guys really do need true superhighways that will connect directly to Clark from Manila but I think that is almost impossible now because of the already existing build up in towns, cities and municipalities leading to clark.

[Arkdriver]

i dont really sure about travelling time from manila to clark but i took bus from SM megamall to clark it only took 1 hour-ish only. Morning around 730am

[pi_malejana]

^^ take the same route at around 12nn and you'll probably get a different result..:)

[AH-7Raja]

Kuwait firms plan $10-B in RP investments


A group of Kuwaiti firms, including logistics provider Agility, plans to invest more than $10 billion in infrastructure projects in the Philippines, the company leading the group said on Tuesday.

The companies plan to develop airports, ports, railway lines, power stations and telecommunications in the Southeast Asian state, investment firm Al-Abraj Holding Co. said in a statement on the Kuwait bourse Web site.

The firms would carry out the projects through a holding company to be based in Europe, of which the Kuwaiti partners would own 75 percent and Argon, the only non-Kuwaiti company in the group, 25 percent, the statement said.

The consortium includes Kuwaiti investment firms International Leasing & Investment and al-Mal Investment Co., it said.

[mambo]

heres another news story.......

Agility to invest $10bn in the Philippines

by Ulf Laessing on Wednesday, 16 January 2008

BOOMING ECONOMIES: A shot of the Philippines' capital Manila. Gulf companies are looking to invest more and more in Asian countries. Kuwaiti firms including logistics provider Agility plan to invest more than $10 billion in infrastructure projects in the Philippines, the company leading the group said on Tuesday.

The firms and one non-Kuwaiti company plan to develop airports, ports, railways, power stations and telecommunications, Kuwait investment firm Al-Abraj Holding Company said in a statement.

The deal is pending a signing with the Philippine government expected at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, later this month, Al-Abraj Deputy chairman Sameer Nasser Ali Hussein told newswire Reuters.

The Philippines government has said it wants to invest 1.7 trillion pesos ($41 billion) in its power, water, telecommunications and transport industries by 2010. Last year, it offered 10 infrastructure projects worth $2 billion to foreign investors.

Gulf Arab states and companies, buoyed by record oil prices, have been looking to invest more in Asia, where economies are growing faster than in Europe and the US, traditional destinations for their surplus funds.

Qatar's $60 billion sovereign wealth fund, the Qatar Investment Authority (QIA), said last month it plans to spend at least $850 million in Indonesia, its biggest commitment to the country.

Kuwait's Al-Abraj said the group would set up a holding company in Europe, of which the Kuwaiti partners would own 75% and British firm Argon, acting on behalf of Philippine authorities, 25%. This could change a little, Hussein said.

He said Al-Abraj wanted to raise the money possibly through an initial public offering, while Philippine institutions would also contribute to the project.

Kuwaiti partners include International Leasing & Investment and Al-Mal Investment Company, Al-Abraj said.

Agility said negotiations were continuing. "A big part of this project would come to Agility," Hussein said.

The biggest investment from the Middle East in the Philippines is a 40% stake held by state-owned Saudi Aramco in Petron Corporation, the largest oil refiner in the country. (Reuters)

[AH-7Raja]

heres another news story.......

Agility to invest $10bn in the Philippines

by Ulf Laessing on Wednesday, 16 January 2008

BOOMING ECONOMIES: A shot of the Philippines' capital Manila. Gulf companies are looking to invest more and more in Asian countries. Kuwaiti firms including logistics provider Agility plan to invest more than $10 billion in infrastructure projects in the Philippines, the company leading the group said on Tuesday.

The firms and one non-Kuwaiti company plan to develop airports, ports, railways, power stations and telecommunications, Kuwait investment firm Al-Abraj Holding Company said in a statement.

The deal is pending a signing with the Philippine government expected at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, later this month, Al-Abraj Deputy chairman Sameer Nasser Ali Hussein told newswire Reuters.

The Philippines government has said it wants to invest 1.7 trillion pesos ($41 billion) in its power, water, telecommunications and transport industries by 2010. Last year, it offered 10 infrastructure projects worth $2 billion to foreign investors.

Gulf Arab states and companies, buoyed by record oil prices, have been looking to invest more in Asia, where economies are growing faster than in Europe and the US, traditional destinations for their surplus funds.

Qatar's $60 billion sovereign wealth fund, the Qatar Investment Authority (QIA), said last month it plans to spend at least $850 million in Indonesia, its biggest commitment to the country.

Kuwait's Al-Abraj said the group would set up a holding company in Europe, of which the Kuwaiti partners would own 75% and British firm Argon, acting on behalf of Philippine authorities, 25%. This could change a little, Hussein said.

He said Al-Abraj wanted to raise the money possibly through an initial public offering, while Philippine institutions would also contribute to the project.

Kuwaiti partners include International Leasing & Investment and Al-Mal Investment Company, Al-Abraj said.

Agility said negotiations were continuing. "A big part of this project would come to Agility," Hussein said.

The biggest investment from the Middle East in the Philippines is a 40% stake held by state-owned Saudi Aramco in Petron Corporation, the largest oil refiner in the country. (Reuters)


yeahhhh baby!!! wooohooo!!!! i cant wait for this!!! :banana:

[manchowyin]

Posted this also in "Airports and Airplanes"

Kuwait Cos To Build In Philippines; Set Up $10B Fund-Report
Original report at Zawya
http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZW20080115000004

BEIRUT, 15 January (Zawya Dow Jones)--A consortium of Kuwaiti companies led by Al Abraj Holding CoAl Abraj Holding Co, Al Abraj Holding Company has signed a contract for mega development projects in the Philippines and for setting up a $10 billion investment portfolio to fund these projects, Kuwait-based al Qabas daily reported Tuesday.

The consortium, which includes Agility, Al Mal Investment Co and International Leasing & Investment Co, will develop projects in Philippine's Batangas Province in partnership with the U.K.-based firm Aragon, the paper reported.

The projects include the construction of an international airport, an international port, railways, oil storage facilities, and an electric power station in addition to residential areas.

To implement these projects the developers will set up a joint venture which will be 75%-owned by the Kuwaiti side and 25% by Aragon, the paper reported.

President to meet with Aragon group in Davos
Original report at Gov.Ph News
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 23, 2008 | FOREIGN RELATIONS
http://www.gov.ph/news/?i=19944

ZURICH, Switzerland (via PLDT)—In a move to advance the country's energy independence program, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo will meet with the officials of the Aragon Financial Group (AFG) Wednesday afternoon in Davos, her first activity in the ski resort city after arriving Tuesday night at the Zurich International Airport from Manila.

The President is scheduled to meet with the Aragon Group executives at 5:15 p.m. Wednesday (Swiss time, 12:15 a.m. Thursday in Manila) at the Casa Bracke in Klosters, Davos.

The financial group is assisting oil and natural gas companies that need funding from financial partners such as private investors, venture capital, equity and institutional and banking sources.

The AFG has available funding for natural gas projects in the United States and is currently looking for clients with existing operations that require funding through build-operate-transfer (BOT) scheme, debt finance, equity refinance and even merger.

The financial group could help the government in its policy to ensure continuous and adequate supply of energy through integrated and intensive exploration, production, management and development of the country's indigenous energy resources such as oil and natural gas.

The natural gas industry in the Philippines began with the operation of the Malampaya gas-to-power project in offshore Palawan that now has three gas-fired power plants with a capacity of some 2,760 megawatts.

However, this output is insufficient to advance the government's program to utilize natural gas for cheaper public transport operation costs.

Also, the country still needs to explore and develop more energy sources to lessen its dependence on imported and expensive fossil fuel.

Under Executive Order No. 473 that was signed by the President in November 2005, the Department of Energy (DOE) has been tasked to pursue the immediate exploration, development and production of crude oil from the Camago-Malampaya reservoir.

Under E.O. 473, the Philippine National Oil Company (PNOC) that manages the Malampaya operations, or its designated subsidiary, was likewise directed to engage the participation of third parties, if necessary, in the exploration, development and production of crude oil in the country.

After her meeting with the Aragon Group officials, the President will also entertain a courtesy call of the executives of the Dredging International NV, a Dutch-based company that has more than 100 years of experience in river dredging, building ports and reclamation projects in Europe, South America, Australia, Singapore and Africa.

Under Executive Order No. 380 signed by the President in October 2004, reclamation has been identified as one of the primary sources of government revenue generation under the Medium Term Philippine Development Program (MTPDP) from 2004 to 2010.

[xoelts]

Kuwait Cos To Build In Philippines; Set Up $10B Fund-Report

is that for real?

[manchowyin]

This has been reported several times in international financial news.
See, for example, a Reuter report (http://in.reuters.com/article/asiaCompanyAndMarkets/idINL1655635420071216) quoted in The Guardian of UK: http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7226502.

Latest update here: http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSL1562255720080115?sp=true

[AH-7Raja]

Its for real! Its just a matter of signing and finalizing the deal at Davos.

The report is also indicating that they are building some infrastructure around batangas. Hmm no more sangley?

[manchowyin]

A former Batangas governor was campaigning for the upgrading of Fernando Air Base into an international airport. Could this be the international airport the Kuwaitis are involved in? A Batangas port-Lipa airport corridor would mimic the Subic-Clark zone.

[NOVO ECIJANO]

I am based here in Kuwait,AGILITY is a big logistic company here in Kuwait formerly known as PWC.its serving the US forces in Iraq.

[mambo]

itong ba yong isa sa mga iaanounce ni gma pag uwi nya bukas sa pinas, sana meron ding syang nakuhang investments sa dubai....and daming talagang pera ang mga taga middle east...

[manchowyin]

Kuwait's Abraj in final talks on $3.5bn Philippines deal
http://www.tradearabia.com/news/REAL_137877.html
Kuwait City: 5 hours and 8 minutes ago
27 January 2007

Kuwait-based investment firm Abraj Holding Co said on Sunday it was in final talks on a $3.5 billion services contract in the Philippines, but gave no details.

A group led Abraj had agreed to build an economic city in the Philippines, including a $1.3 billion airport, Al-Qabas daily reported on Sunday, without giving a source.

Abraj gave no further details of the investment in a statement on the bourse Web site.

Kuwaiti firms including logistics provider Agility plan to invest more than $10 billion in infrastructure projects in the Philippines, Abraj said on January 15.

The firms would build airports, ports, railways, power stations and telecommunications, it had said. -Reuters

[manchowyin]

Al-Abraj signs $10b investment deal with UK’s Argon
By Thaher Al-Zayyat
Special to the Arab Times
http://www.arabtimesonline.com/client/pagesdetails.asp?nid=10830&ccid=9

KUWAIT : The Al-Abraj Holding Company recently signed an investment agreement with the Argon Industrial Group of England to execute a number of infrastructure developing projects in the Philippines which is believed to be worth $10 billion. The Vice-Chairman and Managing Director of Al-Abraj Sameer Nasser said the agreement was signed after Argon carried out several studies on the performance of the Al-Abraj Holding Company over the past few years and discovered the company has vast experience in executing huge projects in sectors such as the logistics, services, ports management, transportation and investment. Nasser added the projects will cover development of the infrastructure in the two main governorates of the Philippines in addition to developing one of the biggest ports in the country.

He added Al-Abraj will execute the projects through a Kuwaiti consortium which includes the Agility company, Al-Mal Investment Company, the International Leasing and Investment Company in addition to the Al-Abraj Holding Company which will lead the consortium. Nasser also pointed out the projects in the Philippines will be executed through another holding company which will be established in one of the important European capitals. The Al-Abraj Holding company will contribute 75 percent of the capital and the rest the Argon Industrial Group. He added both these companies will establish a new fund to create the capital of the new company. He said the capital of this fund will be between $10 billion and $15 billion. Nasser also pointed out the projects in the Philippines are ‘build-operate-transfer (BOT). The term of these projects will be around 40 years.

[leechtat]

^^ omg.. so exciting... andaming rumoured investors sa pinas... again, i would literally jump for joy if i would see some digging happening..

[wheel of steel]

^^ For Me, I like Batangas City to be developed by Aragon...:banana:

[NOVO ECIJANO]

there's picture of GMA with Kuwaiti investors in Arab Times newspaper.the news said, the Kuwaiti companies agreed to build an economic city in Batangas,Philippines.a 1.3 billion dollars airport,ports,railways,power stations and telecommunications.this is part of a vision to transform Batangas into a commercial center in the Philippines.

[benchjade]

^^so, new airport again?

[manchowyin]

‘Abraj’ in final talks with Philippines on $3.5b deal
http://www.arabtimesonline.com/kuwaitnews/pagesdetails.asp?nid=11465&ccid=9
By Thaher Al-Zayyat
Special to the Arab Times

KUWAIT : Kuwait-based investment firm Abraj Holding Company (Abraj) said on Sunday it was in final talks on a $3.5 billion services contract in the Philippines.

Under the leadership of Abraj, a consortium of Kuwaiti companies, which includes Agility, Al-Mal Investment Company and International Leasing and Investment Company (ILIC), has reached an agreement with the Philippine government and the English company Argon to invest more than $10 billion in infrastructure projects in the Philippines. The Kuwaiti companies agreed to build an economic city in Batangas, Philippines, a $1.3 billion airport, ports, railways, power stations and telecommunications. This is part of a vision to transform Batangas into a commercial center in the Philippines.

ILIC was chosen as the financial consultant for the project and for the establishment of a holding company in Europe. The Kuwaiti group also won three seats in the founding committee for the company.

Deputy Chairman and Managing Director of Al-Abraj Sameer Nasser disclosed Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has invited the Kuwaiti group to visit the Philippines to finalize the deal.

Nasser added the agreement was signed during the Davos Conference in Switzerland, in cooperation with Development Bank of the Philippines (DBP) and Argon. He also clarified the agreement is a continuation of an accord signed in Kuwait on Jan 14 indicating the Kuwaiti party will have a 60 per cent share in the capital and the rest of the shares will be given to the Philippines.

Confirming the Kuwaiti group took three seats in the founding committee of the new holding company, Nasser explained the company will be established in one of the European countries and will be in charge for the acquisition of the required equipment and distribution of infrastructure development contracts to subcontractors.

Meanwhile, ILIC General Manager Fuad Al-Hmoud confirmed the company is currently preparing a comprehensive plan on the establishment of an investment fund for financing the projects.

=====

So it seems that the port-and-airport project is in Batangas. It probably means, as I mentioned earlier, Batangas City Port and Fernando Air Base (not Sangley)?!

[flymordecai]

Interesting if this is all true. Another big airport in Luzon? Why not put that billion toward the development of DMIA? :) But this is great news anyway, I'm just wondering because this came out of nowhere.

[richard24]

so now, its batangas vs. subic-clark? wow. i hope the 2 goes well together. :)

[manchowyin]

Interesting if this is all true. Another big airport in Luzon? Why not put that billion toward the development of DMIA? :) But this is great news anyway, I'm just wondering because this came out of nowhere.

Exactly. Just from out of the blue. Note that only ABS-CBN reported it once in a very brief article. On the other hand, it's been appearing in Reuters and in this Arab paper. That's why I thought it worth following because eventually all the work that came before it should come to light. But whoever has arranged it has done lots of work.

[NOVO ECIJANO]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2228549938_bab7d32d3f_b.jpg


GMA with the Kuwaiti investors in Dubai.

[leechtat]

^^ way to go pgma! :cheers:

[manchowyin]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/2228549938_bab7d32d3f_b.jpg


GMA with the Kuwaiti investors in Dubai.

Thank you so much for the post. This picture says it all and clears up the mystery. Behind PGMA is former Batangas governor, then congressman Mandanas. To my knowledge, he has done a lot for his province, being a businessman himself, and he once spoke about converting Fernando Air Base to an international airport. He seems to be making good on his promise...and more. Here's a little background on him: http://www.lpp.gov.ph/govs/mandanas.html; http://i-site.ph/Databases/Congress/13thHouse/personal/mandanas-personal.html

[manchowyin]

VOLUME 13 | NO. 115 | June 08, 2006
Fernando Air Base eyed for joint civilian-military use
Committee Source: GOVERNMENT ENTERPRISES AND PRIVATIZATION
http://www.congress.gov.ph/committees/commnews/index.php?pg=commnews_det&newsid=641

A LEGISLATIVE proposal seeking to redevelop the Fernando Airbase (FAB) in the province of Batangas as an international airport and an economic zone is now under consideration by the Committee on Government Enterprises and Privatization under Representative Eladio Jala (3rd District, Bohol).

Embodied in House Bill 5469 authored by Rep. Hermilando Mandanas (2nd District, Batangas), the proposal specifically seeks to convert the FAB into the CALABARZON (Calamba, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal and Quezon) International Airport to serve the Southern Tagalog Region and act as a subsidiary airport to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA).

The bill also seeks to establish a free trade and economic zone within the area to attract more investors and accelerate the socio-economic development in the region.

In filing HB 5469, the author explained that the Southern Tagalog Region, being one of the most dynamic regions in the Philippines handling no less than 60 percent of the total foreign trade of the country, needs to enhance its transportation network, particularly air transportation.

He pointed out that the FAB, which is strategically situated in the heart of the region, can fill in the gap through its conversion into a dual-use international airport serving both commercial and military air transportation needs.

With an area of over 20,000 hectares, Rep. Mandanas said the FAB can easily accommodate an airport 1,500 hectares in area, without the Philippine Air Force (PAF) losing any portion of it.

He stressed that the development of an airport in the airbase shall increase the region's competitiveness and also contribute to the perennial decongestion of NAIA.

To give impetus for such development, Rep. Mandanas' bill also creates a body corporate to be known as the CALABARZON International Airport Corporation (CIAC) which shall undertake the economical, efficient and effective development, control, management and supervision of the airport and the CALABARZON Free Trade Zone.

The CIAC shall encourage the active participation of the private sector in the development of the airport and free trade zone through joint ventures, build-operate-transfer (BOT) and such other arrangements allowed by law.

It shall coordinate with the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the PAF for the smooth, efficient, viable and safe operations of the airport and its joint civilian, commercial and military use.

In a meeting held before Congress adjourned, the author emphasized that the proposed airport will be a vital instument in the development of the CALABARZON region. He said the establishment of a free trade or economic zone will help government in creating millions of jobs per year and thus neutralize unemployment.

[manchowyin]

Batangas air base opened to civil use
By Macon Ramos Araneta
Manila Standard Today
June 9, 2006
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=regions03_june09_2006

PRESIDENT Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has ordered the opening of Fernando Air Base in Lipa City in Batangas for joint military and civilian use.

Batangas Rep. Hermilando Mandanas said this was revealed by Philippine Economic Zone Authority director general Lilia de Lima during a recent hearing of the House committee on government enterprises and privatization.

She said the President has directed Trade Secretary Peter Favila and Defense Secretary Avelino Cruz to immediately facilitate the signing of an agreement with the Philippine Air Force for the civilian use of airstrip at night when not in use by the military.

She said the President’s order came in the wake of the traffic problem that is being anticipated because of the repairs that will be done on the Southern Luzon Expressway.

“Thousands of container vans from the industrial locators in the region will be affected by the Alabang viaduct repair in SLEX,” said De Lima.

Mandanas said the President’s directive is in line with House Bill 5469 which he filed for the redevelopment of the air base for joint civilian and military use. According to the bill, the redevelopment will be at no expense to the government via the creation of the Calabarzon International Airport Corp. and a free trade zone.

He said the bill aims to convert Fernando Air Base into a dual-use airport serving the Southern Tagalog Region and functioning as a subsidiary airport to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport. It also aims to develop the area contiguous around the air base into a dynamic zone through private-sector initiative.

The Air Force is expected to be a direct beneficiary of the redevelopment and the military reservation will not be diminished by even one square meter, said Mandanas.

[manchowyin]

BATANGAS RAIL, AIRPORT AND PORT
What the Kuwaitis are spending $10B on
By Sol Jose Vanzi
http://www.newsflash.org/2002/04/hl/hl015533.htm

Batangas City, April 17, 2002 – President Gloria Macapal-Arroyo today said she wants the separation of Region 4 into two distinct regions – the Calabarzon region and the Mimaropa region.

...

The President, Afable said, has expressed her desire to divide Region 4 into two after hearing out the discussions of the local officials of the region on this issue.

According to Afable, the President and the Cabinet likewise received an extensive briefing on projects for Region 4, particularly in the province of Batangas, from Governor Hermilando Mandanas who chairs the Regional Development Council (RDC).

Afable pointed out that three big ticket items that are now being worked on by the RDC and agencies of the national government are the (1) revival of the 201-kilometer railroad system linking Southern Tagalog provinces to Metro Manila, (2) the opening of the airport in Lipa City to both military and commercial traffic, and (3) the continuing improvement of the Batangas Port.

The Fernando Air Base (FAB) in Lipa City, which is being converted for dual military and civil use, is currently being used as a training facility by the Philippine Air Force.

According to Governor Mandanas, the conversion of FAB into the Calabarzon Airport will greatly relieve the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) of heavy traffic.

The rehabilitation of the proposed railway will contribute significantly to the reduction of traffic congestion by providing a convenient transport alternative. The project, estimated to cost $1.7 billion, runs from Batangas Port all the way to Fort Bonifacio, and will also serve as a mass transport system for commuters and cargoes.

The development of the Port of Batangas (Phases I and II) was conceived to complement the Port of Manila, whose capacity is nearing saturation.

Transportation and Communications Secretary Pantaleon Alvarez, during a presentation in the Regional Cabinet Meeting, said that the project is envisioned to respond to the demands arising from regional development, which include the Calabarzon, expanded Metro Manila areas and Southern Tagalog as well as the economic range of ro-ro (roll on-roll off) ferry serving Mindoro and other islands.

[Jety]

NOW THIS IS WHAT A GOOD PRESIDENT CAN DELIVER!!!!!!

[xoelts]

arab people really loves filipino ehy... C:

[diz]

^^ We definately love them back!

[AH-7Raja]

SINASABI KO NA NGA EH KUNG DI SA SANGLEY, cavite, gagawin yung alternative int'l airport na papalit sa naia, dyan na sa batangas! GOOD NEWS! so tapos na yung mga rumors na talim island int'l airport, sangley, at bulacan int'l airport! batangas na and this is the final piece we were waiting! go kuwaitis!!!

[AH-7Raja]

but the said airport is only about $1.3 billion! its gonan be a small airport... hopefully it will be expanded in the future once they finished it! so that we can now close tha naia and turn it into a new manila commercial district better than makati!!

[xoelts]

well that $10b that they gonna pour on our country is not free we're all gonna pay for it...in the future.

[le Reine]

^^pay? how? I thought it is a private enterprise?

[AH-7Raja]

well that $10b that they gonna pour on our country is not free we're all gonna pay for it...in the future.

who said that? the report said we are not paying any single centavo. its a pure investment by the kuwaitis through BOT for 40 yrs before they hand it over to our government ...

[manchowyin]

Yes, it is build-operate-transfer. That's why even the Air Force in Fernando Air Base will benefit, without spending anything.

[xoelts]

oh sorry i thought its being loaned to our government..eheh lol

[spearhead]

This is what they could have done to Sangley Point.

http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/aboutus/photo/large/hkia_lar_20000515CLK12.jpg

[lochinvar]

Gusto ko ring madevelop ang Sangley. Pero mas safe ang offer ng mga Arabe kaysa sa mga intsik. Malayo ang mga Arabe para magkaroon ng malalim na balak sa Pilipinas. Ang Pulahang Tsina ay malapit at hindi maaalis na mayroon silang iniisip sa Pilipinas. Huwag tayong tatanga-tanga.

[mwg12a]

Easy ka lang, wala naman ang pilipinas masyadong choice di ba? Maramin din namang investements and China sa Pinas kahit nuong una pa. We won't really be able to tell if and what their hidden agendas are.... Distance isn't a factor.. US is far from the Philippines yet we always welcome their presence...

[spearhead]

i think the chinese people are great and peace lovers. truly, they must have clean and honest intentions to develop our country, beside, they needed us too specially for their baby boomers and retirees...

[lochinvar]

Naivete is the root of some misfortunes. That's is why there is this word, Caveat Emptor. It happened to the Sultan of Sulu, Rajah Humabon, Emilio Aguinaldo, Neville Chamberlain, etc.

[spearhead]

In the other hand, the arabs don't really do all the works and designings, as they mostly hire foreign consultants and experts to do the job for them. And generally speaking, the arabs can better understand the muslim filipinos, more than the chinese can figure out. Meanwhile, the chinese are indeed mostly self-reliants, though still quite new when it comes to quality issues, and they still have a bad record in some cases. The Chinese infrastructure quality issues have yet penetrated the world's elite. But, i dont see any reasons why we should doubt our chinese friends, and its about our trust, as to chinese we trust when it comes to developing our country's infrastructures. Only a paranoid person will ever think that chinese will invade the islands of the philippines. Im sure they are fully aware of our history and how hard was it for the spaniards, americans, and the japanese to invade us. For there is no such thing now for a superpower country that can invade another nation even if they have one mass land, and no matter how helpless they were, without spending more than $ 200 billion US dollars.

[lochinvar]

They have already occupied some isles in the Kalayaan island that the Philippines used to hold. They also occupied some isles which are nearer to Zambales than to Guandong. Hindi ako laban sa infrastructure na itatayo ng Pulahang Tsina. Maari nilang itayo ang mga riles. Pero airport o port na kalapit ng capitolyo may problema riyan. Puede silang magtago ng gadgetry para gamitin sa ispiya.

My dad told me of a likeable Japanese guy who resided in our town ten years before WWII. He befriended the townpeople. The townpeople liked him. But underneath that facade, he was actually doing subterfuge the townpeople was later sorry to have discovered. He emerged during the war as a Major of the Japanese Imperial Army.

[mwg12a]

In the other hand, the arabs don't really do all the works and designings, as they mostly hire foreign consultants and experts to do the job for them. And generally speaking, the arabs can better understand the muslim filipinos, more than the chinese can figure out. Meanwhile, the chinese are indeed mostly self-reliants, though still quite new when it comes to quality issues, and they still have a bad record in some cases. The Chinese infrastructure quality issues have yet penetrated the world's elite. But, i dont see any reasons why we should doubt our chinese friends, and its about our trust, as to chinese we trust when it comes to developing our country's infrastructures. Only a paranoid person will ever think that chinese will invade the islands of the philippines. Im sure they are fully aware of our history and how hard was it for the spaniards, americans, and the japanese to invade us. For there is no such thing now for a superpower country that can invade another nation even if they have one mass land, and no matter how helpless they were, without spending more than $ 200 billion US dollars.


And to add to all these, other nations would be watching. We have United Nation council who would address an invasion without any provocation. US alone would make sure that the Philippines will not be invaded because they want keep the military presence in the Philippines.

Naivete is the root of some misfortunes. That's is why there is this word, Caveat Emptor. It happened to the Sultan of Sulu, Rajah Humabon, Emilio Aguinaldo, Neville Chamberlain, etc.


They have already occupied some isles in the Kalayaan island that the Philippines used to hold. They also occupied some isles which are nearer to Zambales than to Guandong. Hindi ako laban sa infrastructure na itatayo ng Pulahang Tsina. Maari nilang itayo ang mga riles. Pero airport o port na kalapit ng capitolyo may problema riyan. Puede silang magtago ng gadgetry para gamitin sa ispiya.

My dad told me of a likeable Japanese guy who resided in our town ten years before WWII. He befriended the townpeople. The townpeople liked him. But underneath that facade, he was actually doing subterfuge the townpeople was later sorry to have discovered. He emerged during the war as a Major of the Japanese Imperial Army.

Don't dwell too much on the past. As far as Spratley Islands is concern, China is not the only country who is claiming ownership of the said chain of islands in that area, everybody has interests to it , they all see it as a "gold mine" because there is a big possibility that there is oil ithere otherwise, the Philippines would probably drop it's claim to it if it is just an island with no benefit to our country.

As for China's interest in the Philippines, I don't think they can really conceal any weapons they wanted to keep in a supposedly civilian international airport and shipyard where alot of civilians would be manning the area, it would take alot of secrecy to do that and requires full chinese military presence to hide their internal dealings which will be against the Philippine constitution. I dont think the Philippine government is that naive, heck every little things in the Philippine politics are being noticed by the politicians and the mass. What more if there is something big like China's secret operations in the Philippines? And why would China want to invade the Philippines? If they are targetting to match the power of the US, it would be hard for them because the US military is operating in the Philippines under the guise of anti-terrorism campaign it's easy for the US to send help because they have military bases in Japan and Korea. If China wanted to wage war with the US, sophisticated long range missile isn't impossible in this day in age to hit the mainland US with one... but that's just me two cents on this matter.

[spearhead]

They have already occupied some isles in the Kalayaan island that the Philippines used to hold. They also occupied some isles which are nearer to Zambales than to Guandong. Hindi ako laban sa infrastructure na itatayo ng Pulahang Tsina. Maari nilang itayo ang mga riles. Pero airport o port na kalapit ng capitolyo may problema riyan. Puede silang magtago ng gadgetry para gamitin sa ispiya.

My dad told me of a likeable Japanese guy who resided in our town ten years before WWII. He befriended the townpeople. The townpeople liked him. But underneath that facade, he was actually doing subterfuge the townpeople was later sorry to have discovered. He emerged during the war as a Major of the Japanese Imperial Army.

Holy.... You're really into it........

Well first of all, the japanese are totally different people from the chinese.

If china gonna invade us, they will never touch the islands of mindanao.

In fairness of your argument, the only thing that we should really think about our chinese friends are their past history of supporting the communist armed struggle. Although upto this date, its possible that some chinese can still smuggle firearms and bring it over there (pinas), but by invading us is next to impossible. And i wouldn't believe that China will ever risk their reputation and their economy to wage war against the people of the philippines. Im telling you, they will need hundred's of billions of dollars to do that, plus they gonna have to be prepared for a possible World War IV, or they have to be prepared to face the UN council with legitimate reason why invading our islands. Afterall, why would chinese will ever be interested in our coals and for what, when our ASEAN neighbors are even richer with their more abundant minerals?

I think you should listen to mwg12a.

Anyway this is way off topic and its no longer a legitimate reason why we should be talking about that chinese invasion here. You should start your own thread you know. Peace. :)

[NOVO ECIJANO]

mukhang may pag asa pa ang COSCO

RP can attract another big Chinese investor – Favila
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Monday, March 24, 2008
The government is confident of securing another multi-billion dollar Chinese investment in April, a ranking official said.

“I will be meeting with big players in the region and there is a possibility I can secure another investment as big as COSCO (China Ocean Shipping Co),” Trade Secretary Peter B. Favila said in an interview.

Favila said he is confident of securing another investments for the Philippines during the Boao Forum for Asia (BFA) on April 11 to 13.

“I will be pushing for the businessmen to invest in our infrastructure because that is where we need private sector participation,” Favila said.

Favila said Chinese investors are eyeing the country’s mining and energy sector.

Favila said he was invited to speak during the three-day conference in China to discuss the ongoing negotiations for free trade within the region.

Initially, Cosco wanted to construct a modern port at the Navy headquarters in Cavite. Its initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors. There will be a repairing ships and building ships.”

Founded in 1961 as the pioneer international shipping carrier in China, Cosco has grown into a $17-billion global company. It owns and operates 600 various types of ships operating in 1,300 ports in more than 160 countries and regions worldwide.

It is one of the world’s argest shipping enterprises with China Ocean Shipping (Group) Co. as its core, operating three main units: China Ocean Shipping Agency, the biggest shipping agency in China; China Marine Bundier Supply Co; and China Road Transportation Co, the biggest trucking company in China.

[xoelts]

chinese wants to invest here coz they want to invade us...

[The Wolfman]

unlikely,but not impossible. They may want to invade us in the future but at this point NO given the current political situation in the world. (US' Hegemony though it is slowly falling, Interconnected world Economies, ) and If China is going to invade a country is not going to be us since we have no oil. Oil might be pretty b ig issue one the supply dwindles in the future.

Anyways china's invasion is improbable and any sort of consipary with their investments here is impossible.

[mygz14]

Participants for the Sangley Point Development Project will have it's first meeting on May 10, 2008, New Cheefoo Restaurant, San Roque, Cavite City

[mwg12a]

What's the topic of discussion in that meeting? Any idea?

[spearhead]

cge na nga ok na sakin na mainvade tayo ng mga intsik para lang magkaroon na tayo ng mga modern fighters, warships, missiles, radars, and tanks. kung aatakihin nila tayo, wag na rin tayo lumaban! jokelang para sa mga natatakot lagi na mainvade tayo ng china.... :lol:

Its a welcome news anyway to hear that the chinese investors are back. :okay:

[WANCH]

For Christ's sakes the mentality of countries invading other countries are a thing of the past :eek:

In today's world, world wars are fought through business and economy not military :D

[mwg12a]

Not really wanch, US invaded Iraq and afghanistan and if we remember back less than a couple of months ago, venezuela together with dominican republic almost invaded Columbia....(I might have mixed up the last two countries, anybody is welcome to correct me) then you have China threatening taiwan and still trying to take over Tibet.... then you have Israeli and Palestians constantly at war and attempting to invade the disputed territory so, INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES are not reallY A THING OF THE PAST...

[diz]

venezuela and ecuador.

[mwg12a]

Thanks man!!!

[WANCH]

Not really wanch, US invaded Iraq and afghanistan and if we remember back less than a couple of months ago, venezuela together with dominican republic almost invaded Columbia....(I might have mixed up the last two countries, anybody is welcome to correct me) then you have China threatening taiwan and still trying to take over Tibet.... then you have Israeli and Palestians constantly at war and attempting to invade the disputed territory so, INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES are not reallY A THING OF THE PAST...

Yes but these conflicts don't draw to major world wars unlike the 20th century and before.

[pinas4real]

I was wondering did anyone tell what was the meeting about or does it even involve China?

[pinas4real]

Participants for the Sangley Point Development Project will have it's first meeting on May 10, 2008, New Cheefoo Restaurant, San Roque, Cavite City

what happened to this meeting... Any news?

[pinas4real]

sounds like old news but there is still hope


http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Business&p=49&type=2&sec=27&aid=2008051328

Business
RP courts COSCO anew
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
The Philippines is courting Chinese shipping firm China Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO) anew to invest in the Philippines and make the country its logistics hub in the region.

“I will invite them for another visit,” Ambassador Francis Chua, special envoy on China trade and investments told reporters yesterday.

The investment of COSCO is expected to make the Philippines a maritime power in the region. The project has been delayed as a result of the cancellation of the controversial broadband deal between the Philippine government and Chinese firm ZTE Corp. last year.

The COSCO investment was first made public in May last year.

COSCO is looking at locating either in Sangley Point or in Subic Bay Freeport Zone beside Korean investor Hanjin.

Chua surmised that COSCO may be partial to investing in Subic because “Cavite is too congested.”

However, Chua said should the Chinese insist on investing in Cavite, he said it is still possible because the area is good for reclamation.

Initially, Cosco wanted to construct a modern port at the Navy headquarters in Cavite. Its initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors. There will be a repairing ships and building ships.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

He added that Cosco’s facility is expected to generate about 100,000 jobs, particularly for the country’s seafarers.

[kratos1211]

$3-B COSCO hub still in the pipeline

By Ronnel Domingo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:31:00 05/13/2008

The plan of Chinese giant China Ocean Shipping (Group) Co. (COSCO) for a $3-billion regional cargo hub in the Philippines is still on but the facility will “take time” to complete, a presidential adviser said.

Although the volumes of investment flow and trade remain robust, the number of big projects appears to have dwindled following the controversy around the government’s aborted national broadband network (NBN) deal with China’s ZTE Corp., said Francis Chua, presidential adviser on China trade and investments.

“COSCO is still interested, but the project would have to be given time,” Chua said in an interview. “Communication with the COSCO group remains open and meetings are being arranged as usual.”

He added that COSCO officials were supposed to meet with Philippine trade officials last month but this did not push through due to some “miscommunication on the Chinese side.”

Chua said the Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry, in which he also holds a position, had lined up at least five business missions this year in an effort to step up trade with mainland China.

“Most of these missions would go to China, but there would also be sorties to the United States and Europe,” he said. “The focus would be on food products, especially those derived from marine resources.”

In an earlier interview, Chua said COSCO Philippine project would be delayed and the company’s top officials had decided to let a Singapore-based subsidiary handle it. He said he was working to have the project, which is crucial for both COSCO and the Philippines, started promptly.

The project was supposed to start last year. COSCO had sent a team of experts to look over prospective sites for shipping hubs at Sangley Point in Cavite City, outside Manila, and at the Subic Bay Freeport, northwest of Manila.

COSCO originally considered building a base at Sangley Point through which it could aggregate shipments from various points in the region for more efficient hauling to the United States and other destinations across the Pacific, Chua said.

However, the COSCO team saw the advantages of locating in Subic as well and did not want to pass up on either site, he added.

Chua said COSCO was prepared to foot the bill for site development, including the cost of land reclamation and port construction. Edited by INQUIRER.net

[bartstrife99]

Blaita ko 2loy na nga yan kc sabi d2 sa amin aalisin na ung mga squatter sa tabi ng dagat ehh saka malapit nar in matapos ung Cavite-Manila coastal road na mag dudugtong mula manila to cavite city... bumisita na c Arroyo d2 last week... about sa mga recent development d2 sa Cavite City

[mwg12a]

^^^ para kang nag-tetext sa cell phone a! LOL ayusin mo yan, masamang habit and nakaka bopol sabi ng mga experts. Peace!

[Waldenstrom]

Blaita ko 2loy na nga yan kc sabi d2 sa amin aalisin na ung mga squatter sa tabi ng dagat ehh saka malapit nar in matapos ung Cavite-Manila coastal road na mag dudugtong mula manila to cavite city... bumisita na c Arroyo d2 last week... about sa mga recent development d2 sa Cavite City

Hopefully, paalisin sila. But I doubt if magagawa nila yun kasi most of them are fishing villages incorporated into a baranggay. I'm not really sure though.

[mygz14]

Aside from the Airport and Seaport that they are planning, I wish that they would include a railway system to the project, one that would link Cavite to the other municipalities in Cavite as well as Metro Manila. As my grandparents tell me, there was once a train system that linked Cavite City and Manila although I have really no factual basis on it.

[kratos1211]

originally posted by X_MD

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2271/spdr9.jpg

Sangley Point, Cavite City: International Transport Hub of the Future

[benchjade]

^^may place palang ganyan sa cavite, puwede nga siyang gawiong airport, pero mukhang maliit.

[Askal82]

^^ Parang katakot takot na reclamation ang dapat gawin para gawin syang international airport.

[anonymous_filipino]

Bakit ang dami pa rin nagsasabi na gagawa ng international airport ang COSCO sa Sangley Point? They only want to build a seaport with an international cargo airport as one of its component. And mas malaki gagastusin ng GRP kung dito gagawin yung international airport compared to DMIA na meron ng basic infrastructure (runways, taxiways, expressways going to Manila) na kailangan na lang ng high speed railway, another parallel runway and supporting taxiways, at yung main terminal

[mwg12a]

Kasama sa plano nuong una (atleast sa news reports nabangit) International airport and seaport. Hindi na naman siguro sigurado at exacto ang news reporting . Siguro nga ibig sabihin pang air cargo. Nuong panahon daw ni Ramos, Sangley at Clark ang pinagaaralan na paglipatan ng NAIA terminal...

Sa picture na nasa taas, hindi naman gaano kalaki ang pagtatabunan para makagawa ng airport. Coastal higway lang ang magiging malaking challenge para ma-connect and Manila sa Sangley Point. Reclamaition nga sa Roxas Blvd nagawa, yuong pa sa Sangley? Parang parehas na landmass area yang sa Sangley ng Kota Kinabulo kung saan may tinatayong Airport ngayon.

[mygz14]

There are rumors that allegedly, shanties along the coastline near Sangley Point has been demolished to make way for reclamation. And I think they would be reclaming around 4,000 hectares of land which is comparable to that at Parañaque-Pasay.

[bartstrife99]

Hopefully, paalisin sila. But I doubt if magagawa nila yun kasi most of them are fishing villages incorporated into a baranggay. I'm not really sure though.

Actually ang News dito ehh they will relocate to other city like Trece Martires,Bacoor or somehwere in the near city or they will pay to some of money ( $/ P)... not sure and Also the Road Widening Project...

@mygz14
Aside from the Airport and Seaport that they are planning, I wish that they would include a railway system to the project, one that would link Cavite to the other municipalities in Cavite as well as Metro Manila. As my grandparents tell me, there was once a train system that linked Cavite City and Manila although I have really no factual basis on it

Actually yan ang mga recent development na ginagwa ngayun, after the contruction Manila-Cavite coastal they will reconnect the
(1) Kawit-Cavite City (at the Reclaimed Land at the back of Cavite public Market) to Manila expressway
(2) Relocation of Squatter around the seaside and reclamation for the expansion of (Road, Airport and rehabilitation of the Old sea harbor and dock)
(3) The Cavite City LRT connection to the rest of Cavite Provinces to Rosario,Noveleta,Kawit,Bacoor back to Manila base LRT and they will ajacent to Cavite LRT to Batanggas LRT Station
thats the rumor they planning after the visit of her excellency Pres. Gloria Arroyo! :rock:
http://web2.airmail.net/lrs/aerial.gif pic from 1940
http://web2.airmail.net/lrs/aerial.gif Pic from 1960
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=500190&page=8

[Waldenstrom]

Actually ang News dito ehh they will relocate to other city like Trece Martires,Bacoor or somehwere in the near city or they will pay to some of money ( $/ P)... not sure and Also the Road Widening Project...

@mygz14
Aside from the Airport and Seaport that they are planning, I wish that they would include a railway system to the project, one that would link Cavite to the other municipalities in Cavite as well as Metro Manila. As my grandparents tell me, there was once a train system that linked Cavite City and Manila although I have really no factual basis on it

Actually yan ang mga recent development na ginagwa ngayun, after the contruction Manila-Cavite coastal they will reconnect the
(1) Kawit-Cavite City (at the Reclaimed Land at the back of Cavite public Market) to Manila expressway
(2) Relocation of Squatter around the seaside and reclamation for the expansion of (Road, Airport and rehabilitation of the Old sea harbor and dock)
(3) The Cavite City LRT connection to the rest of Cavite Provinces to Rosario,Noveleta,Kawit,Bacoor back to Manila base LRT and they will ajacent to Cavite LRT to Batanggas LRT Station
thats the rumor they planning after the visit of her excellency Pres. Gloria Arroyo! :rock:
http://web2.airmail.net/lrs/aerial.gif pic from 1940
http://web2.airmail.net/lrs/aerial.gif Pic from 1960
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=500190&page=8

What about the LRT Extension to Dasmariñas?

[mygz14]

Actually ang News dito ehh they will relocate to other city like Trece Martires,Bacoor or somehwere in the near city or they will pay to some of money ( $/ P)... not sure and Also the Road Widening Project...

@mygz14
Aside from the Airport and Seaport that they are planning, I wish that they would include a railway system to the project, one that would link Cavite to the other municipalities in Cavite as well as Metro Manila. As my grandparents tell me, there was once a train system that linked Cavite City and Manila although I have really no factual basis on it

Actually yan ang mga recent development na ginagwa ngayun, after the contruction Manila-Cavite coastal they will reconnect the
(1) Kawit-Cavite City (at the Reclaimed Land at the back of Cavite public Market) to Manila expressway
(2) Relocation of Squatter around the seaside and reclamation for the expansion of (Road, Airport and rehabilitation of the Old sea harbor and dock)
(3) The Cavite City LRT connection to the rest of Cavite Provinces to Rosario,Noveleta,Kawit,Bacoor back to Manila base LRT and they will ajacent to Cavite LRT to Batanggas LRT Station
thats the rumor they planning after the visit of her excellency Pres. Gloria Arroyo! :rock:
http://web2.airmail.net/lrs/aerial.gif pic from 1940
http://web2.airmail.net/lrs/aerial.gif Pic from 1960
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=500190&page=8

Number 1, the Cavite City-Kawit link to Manila-Cavite Coastal Road is part of the Ten Priority Projects of the current government under Mayor Totie Paredes.

Number 2, I have heard also that informal settlers living along the coastline are now being relocated, I just don't know where.

Number 3, This would be great news. However, under LRTA plans, they would first have to construct the LRT South Extension going to Bacoor, then Imus and Dasmariñas before they could proceed to this proposed extension. But in my opinion, I would rather have a rail system like the bullet train in Japan or even the proposed North/South Rail that would link Cavite City, the other municipalities and other provinces located in Urban Belt Super Region, than a Light Rail Transit similar to that found in Metro Manila.

[bartstrife99]

What about the LRT Extension to Dasmariñas?

malamang kasama yan kc yan ang isa sa mga major national highway dito sa cavite eh.. kasama connection yan sa Emilio Aguinaldo Highway papuntang batanggas..

@mygs
Number 1, the Cavite City-Kawit link to Manila-Cavite Coastal Road is part of the Ten Priority Projects of the current government under Mayor Totie Paredes.

Number 2, I have heard also that informal settlers living along the coastline are now being relocated, I just don't know where.

Number 3, This would be great news. However, under LRTA plans, they would first have to construct the LRT South Extension going to Bacoor, then Imus and Dasmariñas before they could proceed to this proposed extension. But in my opinion, I would rather have a rail system like the bullet train in Japan or even the proposed North/South Rail that would link Cavite City, the other municipalities and other provinces located in Urban Belt Super Region, than a Light Rail Transit similar to that found in Metro Manila.

That's sounds good to hear.. hoping this development matapos kaagad.. about sa rail system tulad sa japan na bullet train maganda rin at yan nga rin ang iniisip ko eh parang ganito National Railway Sytem that connect Luzon-viz-mindanao including sub station sa ilalim ng dagat at maviview mo ung under the sea..

[NOVO ECIJANO]

http://http://www.mb.com.ph/BSNS20080523125363.html

COSCO prefers JV for $ 5-B project



By BERNIE CAHILES–MAGKILAT

China Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO), the world’s second largest shipping company, now prefers to pursue its $ 5-billion integrated shipbuilding and international logistics project in the country via joint venture with a local partner shying away from its original investment strategy of directly investing in a wholly-owned local subsidiary.


Getting a local partner that is familiar with the local environment would shield a foreign investor and help facilitate their entry.COSCO’s entry has delayed for almost a year already.

Malacañang special envoy for trade and investments Francis Chua told reporters that company chairman Capt. Wei Jaifu is seriously evaluating possible local partners for the project."

Capt. Wei is looking for a good local partner with strong capability and they are evaluating several interests," Chua said noting there are several local companies engaged in similar activities that could be tapped by COSCO as its local joint venture partner.

The decision of COSCO to go into joint venture with a local partner instead of directly investing in a wholly-owned local subsidiary may have been influenced by the controversies encountered by Hanjin Heavy Industries Corp. for its two huge shipbuilding facilities in Subic and in Misamis Oriental, each costing $ 2 billion.

Aside from being familiar with the local environment, the local entity would be responsible for all its deals in the country. It also reduces political risks on the part of COSCO. Chua said there are lots of local firms that are engaged in shipbuilding, shiprepair and shipyard operations in the country that COSCO can choose from.

In December last year, Chua already urged Capt. Wei to strengthen its local operations by putting up a Philippine office to pave the way for its planned huge investments in the shipping and related projects in the country.

Chua said that COSCO has been operating in the country since the 80s but are merely port calls for its cargo ships.

By beefing up its small local operations, Chua said that COSCO will be sending a positive signal that it is seriously pursuing its interest in the country.

According to Chua, there was a suggestion from a COSCO official to put the planned Philippine operations under its Singapore office.

But Chua noted that placing its Philippine operations under Singapore may not send a good signal for COSCO because this could mean lesser role for the country in its regional operations.

At time, Chua said that COSCO was firming up its plan of splitting up its supposedly integrated international logistics project in the country in two separate areas —one in Subic for its logistics, shipbuilding and industrial zone components and another in Sangley Point in Cavite City for ship repair and maintenance facilities plus a maritime school.

The decision to split the investments into two locations came after determining the viability of having the huge investments located in a single location.

"Wei was also impressed by Subic freeport’s ready port facilities. On the other hand, the Sangley Point in Cavite City still needs a lot of work to be done including the reclamation of some areas," Chua said.

The Chinese shipping company has already received several offers from different local government units including Bataan, Subic, Quezon and a small island in the south."COSCO needs a few hundred hectares because of the industrial zone component," Chua said. Under the Sangley Point plan, COSCO would have to reclaim 4,000 hectares around Cavite because the project is not supposed to displace the Philippine Navy, which is headquartered in Sangley Point.

With the constraint in available space, Chua said Sangley Point could easily accommodate the planned maritime school only and the planned shipbuilding facility and industrial zone in another site.

Chua said that COSCO is taking time for its planned investment and this seemingly slow decision-making process has nothing to do with the controversial National Broadband Network contract with ZTE Corp. of China, which the Philippine government has ordered cancelled.

"The Chinese are not the kind who would back out nor pull out from a project. They would rather proceed on their own time," Chua said.

Wei visited the country in June last year and met with President Gloria Arroyo on the planned investments in the country.(BCM)

[anonymous_filipino]

Mods, I propose to change the title of this thread to "COSCO plans to build ship repair and maintenance facilities in Sangley Point". The article above confirms what COSCO really plans for Sangley Point

[spearhead]

No need man. Wala namang kasiguraduhan pa eh.

Maganda dito sa sangley gawan na kasi ng international airport narin, convert the whole area into a joint military and commercial operation and expand it. But first, finish the work in DMIA, while developing the sangley point with the planned COSCO fascilities and hopefully next time develop that joint military/commercial international airport. Tapos isara na ang NAIA after all this done! We need more foreign investors to do my suggestions though.

[bartstrife99]

With the constraint in available space, Chua said Sangley Point could easily accommodate the planned maritime school only and the planned shipbuilding facility and industrial zone in another site.

Parang masama eto ah!! tranfer to another location! sana yung unang pla maganda!

At time, Chua said that COSCO was firming up its plan of splitting up its supposedly integrated international logistics project in the country in two separate areas —one in Subic for its logistics, shipbuilding and industrial zone components and another in Sangley Point in Cavite City for ship repair and maintenance facilities plus a maritime school.

[garzland]

$5 Billion is such a huge investment. Yon nga lang it's not yet sure.

[mygz14]

By Jerome Aning
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:15:00 05/27/2008

MANILA, Philippines -- A militant fisherfolk group Tuesday asked former senator and current Philippine Reclamation Authority chair Ramon Revilla Sr., and his sons, Bacoor Mayor Strike Revilla and Senator Ramon” Bong” Revilla Jr. to stop an P8-billion reclamation project along the coastal shores of Cavite province.

The Pambansang Lakas ng Kilusang Mamamalakaya ng Pilipinas (Pamalakaya) said the reclamation of about 7,500 hectares of Cavite's foreshore land off Bacoor, Kawi, Rosario, Binakayan, Noveleta and Cavite City would affect 26,000 fishing families.

"This project is nothing but a roaring cyclone that would practically destroy everything. The people's livelihood and the environment are being sacrificed at the altar of corporate takeover and interest. We strongly urge the Revilla clan to put an end to this reclamation frenzy and let the coastal families continue with their day-to-day life,” Pamalakaya chair Fernando Hicap told reporters.

According to Hicap, the connection of the Revillas was “well established” in the reclamation activities along Cavite’s coastal areas, adding that the reclamation was a “pet project” of the Revilla clan and approved by Malacañang.

“First the senior Revilla is the chair of PRA, the government agency in-charge of reclaiming and selling these reclaimed portions of Manila Bay to developers. Second, Strike Revilla is the mayor of Bacoor, where the project would start; and third, Senator Revilla is the chair of the Senate committee on public works and highways. This leads to a logical conclusion that the Revillas are solidly behind this project,” he said.

Pamalakaya said there were reports that the PRA, formerly the Public Estates Authority, was offering P20,000 per family whose tahungan (mussel growing) enterprises along Manila Bay were first cleared to give way to the reclamation project. Most of the fisherfolk along Cavite coastal towns are mussel growers.

"We would like to tell the Revillas that the compensation for destroyed tahungan is not really main concern of the fisherfolk. What they need is the rehabilitation and protection of their main source of livelihood main source of livelihood and assurance they would be no future reclamation activities along coastal areas” the group said.

Pamalakaya said the reclamation of 4,000 hectares of Bacoor's coastal areas is part of the government's plan to revive the Sangley Point as a major modern logistical hub with seaport and airport that would be provided by reclaimed areas from Bacoor to Cavite City.

The reclamation is also intended to extend the Cavite-Manila Coastal Road project from Bacoor to Kawit, Cavite. Pamalakaya said the seven-kilometer stretch of new road will also affect other nearby towns such as Naic and Tanza.

“[There is a] robbery in broad daylight with Malacañang, PRA and the powerful clans of Cavite engaged in conspiracy to deprive the fishers and urban poor of Bacoor their basic socio-economic and human rights in the name of corporate agenda and promising huge kickbacks," the group added.

SOURCE: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20080527-139177/Revillas-urged-to-stop-P8-B-reclamation-project-in-Cavite

[bartstrife99]

By Jerome Aning
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 20:15:00 05/27/2008

MANILA, Philippines -- A militant fisherfolk group Tuesday asked former senator and current Philippine Reclamation Authority chair Ramon Revilla Sr., and his sons, Bacoor Mayor Strike Revilla and Senator Ramon” Bong” Revilla Jr. to stop an P8-billion reclamation project along the coastal shores of Cavite province.

The Pambansang Lakas ng Kilusang Mamamalakaya ng Pilipinas (Pamalakaya) said the reclamation of about 7,500 hectares of Cavite's foreshore land off Bacoor, Kawi, Rosario, Binakayan, Noveleta and Cavite City would affect 26,000 fishing families.

"This project is nothing but a roaring cyclone that would practically destroy everything. The people's livelihood and the environment are being sacrificed at the altar of corporate takeover and interest. We strongly urge the Revilla clan to put an end to this reclamation frenzy and let the coastal families continue with their day-to-day life,” Pamalakaya chair Fernando Hicap told reporters.

According to Hicap, the connection of the Revillas was “well established” in the reclamation activities along Cavite’s coastal areas, adding that the reclamation was a “pet project” of the Revilla clan and approved by Malacañang.

“First the senior Revilla is the chair of PRA, the government agency in-charge of reclaiming and selling these reclaimed portions of Manila Bay to developers. Second, Strike Revilla is the mayor of Bacoor, where the project would start; and third, Senator Revilla is the chair of the Senate committee on public works and highways. This leads to a logical conclusion that the Revillas are solidly behind this project,” he said.

Pamalakaya said there were reports that the PRA, formerly the Public Estates Authority, was offering P20,000 per family whose tahungan (mussel growing) enterprises along Manila Bay were first cleared to give way to the reclamation project. Most of the fisherfolk along Cavite coastal towns are mussel growers.

"We would like to tell the Revillas that the compensation for destroyed tahungan is not really main concern of the fisherfolk. What they need is the rehabilitation and protection of their main source of livelihood main source of livelihood and assurance they would be no future reclamation activities along coastal areas” the group said.

Pamalakaya said the reclamation of 4,000 hectares of Bacoor's coastal areas is part of the government's plan to revive the Sangley Point as a major modern logistical hub with seaport and airport that would be provided by reclaimed areas from Bacoor to Cavite City.

The reclamation is also intended to extend the Cavite-Manila Coastal Road project from Bacoor to Kawit, Cavite. Pamalakaya said the seven-kilometer stretch of new road will also affect other nearby towns such as Naic and Tanza.

“[There is a] robbery in broad daylight with Malacañang, PRA and the powerful clans of Cavite engaged in conspiracy to deprive the fishers and urban poor of Bacoor their basic socio-economic and human rights in the name of corporate agenda and promising huge kickbacks," the group added.

SOURCE: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20080527-139177/Revillas-urged-to-stop-P8-B-reclamation-project-in-Cavite

I think these affected people are those behind the sea and commonly the illegeal settler in the shore! of the cavite bay, wala naman cla dyan dati ehh simula lang yan nang dyan ni relocate ung mga nasa manila! dapat i erlocate na alng sila sa ibang lugar and if see in your own eyes sa tabi yan ehh too much congested illegeal settler! pag dumaan ka! di naman ako anti poor ahh kasi poor din naman ako!

[Waldenstrom]

^^ They may be illegal settlers in the past but they're now considered fishing villages and most are incorporated to the barangays. These are the same people that pollutes the Cavite shores. I hope they'll just be absorbed as workers in the Sangley Point development projects and some get relocated to other parts of Cavite shores.

[FerrariLover]

^^ They may be illegal settlers in the past but they're now considered fishing villages and most are incorporated to the barangays. These are the same people that pollutes the Cavite shores. I hope they'll just be absorbed as workers in the Sangley Point development projects and some get relocated to other parts of Cavite shores.

TAMA PO AT SUMASANG-AYON AKO SA SINABI DITO NA ANG MGA NAKATIRA PO KARAMIHAN SA MGA DALAMPASIGAN NA YAN MULA BACOOR, TANZA, AT
NAIC AY MGA SQUATTER AT YUN MGA DATI NA NANINIRAHAN SA LUGAR AY
ANG PINAGMUMULAN NG POLUSYON SA MANILA BAY. AKO MISMO ANG NAGPAPATUNAY DAHIL MALIMIT AKO SA LUGAR NA YAN. ANG MGA BABUYAN AT KAHIT MG DUMI NG TAO AY ITINATAPON NA LANG SA DAGAT AT MGA TAGAS O DUMI NG BABUYAN DIRETSO SA DAGAT, MGA PLASTIC AT MGA BASURA HALOS SA DAGAT NA NAITATAPON. ISAMA PA DOON YUNG MGA NAAANOD GALING MANILA BAY NA BASURA. SA TINGIN KO, KUNG MATUTULOY ANG RECLAMATION NA YAN, MALILINIS ANG COASTAL AREA SUBALIT DAPAT DING BIGYAN NG MATITIRHAN ANG MGA NANINIRAHAN NA MAAPEKTUHAN DYAN.

MGA KABABAYAN KO SA BACOOR, TANZA AT NAIC, MAKIISA NA TAYO SA
ISANG MALINIS NA PROYEKTO NA TAOY NA RIN ANG MAKIKINABANG.

SA MGA REVILLA'S, SANA NAMAN HUWAG PABAYAAN ANG MGA KA-PROBINSYA NYO DAHIL ITO AY PARA SA IKABUBUTI NG LAHAT.
...SALAMAT PO.....

[bartstrife99]

^^ They may be illegal settlers in the past but they're now considered fishing villages and most are incorporated to the barangays. These are the same people that pollutes the Cavite shores. I hope they'll just be absorbed as workers in the Sangley Point development projects and some get relocated to other parts of Cavite shores.

Indeed, siguro maganda i relocate sila sa Tawi-Tawi magand mag fishing duon since palibot talaga ng dagat un or somewhere else aside from cavite i balik na lang sila kung san sila galing sa probinsya

[Waldenstrom]

^^ anlayo masyado ng Tawi-Tawi. :D But I get your point. But also think that the fishes and seafoods that we are eating here around the Metro Manila area came from these fishermen. Without them, we won't be eating any of those. ;) Another option would be to teach them other sources of livelihood or teach them how to care of nature and make them guardians of the sea in other places.

[bartstrife99]

^^ anlayo masyado ng Tawi-Tawi. :D But I get your point. But also think that the fishes and seafoods that we are eating here around the Metro Manila area came from these fishermen. Without them, we won't be eating any of those. ;) Another option would be to teach them other sources of livelihood or teach them how to care of nature and make them guardians of the sea in other places. I agree with you :lol:

[bartstrife99]

COSCO looks for island as hub

By GENIVI FACTAO

China Ocean Shipping Co.,(COSCO) the world’s second-largest shipping firm, is reported to be considering looking at another island to set up its logistics hub after finding Sangley Point in Cavite, too small.

Liang Wentao, economic commercial counselor of the Chinese embassy said COSCO while still considering putting up a logistics center in the country.can’t find a good location.

"They want to work in a very big island, since COSCO is really a big shipping company," Liang said.

He said COSCO officials have visited Sangley Point and found it "quite small".

"The lands here are privately owned and its difficult to look for a piece of land and develop a logistic hub," he added.

He commended the Philippines’ effort in enticing investors to come in.

"The Philippine government is doing a good job," he claimed.

Other than Sangley point, COSCO has reportedly been eyeing the Subic Freeport.

"We view Subic and even Clark as a destination for investment. Infrastructure there are in place and we promote these areas in China," he said.

He claimed that its up to the company to find the best place to invest here in the Philippines.

COSCO has been looking for joint venture with a local firm for the various components of its shipping and logistics hub in the country.

COSCO is now in the stage of working out local partnerships for the shipping hub, shipbuilding, industrial estate and maritime school, which are components of the integrated shipping and logistics hub it proposed to undertake in the country,"Francis Chua, the Philippines’ Special Envoy to China for Trade and Investments earlier said.

COSCO has presented its proposal to build an integrated shipping and logistics hub as early as June last year.

The Philippines hub will be for shipment bound to Europe and America. The cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa.

The COSCO facility when put up is expected to generate employment of about 100,000 .

[Juan Pilgrim]

^^
IF COSCO THINKS SANGLEY POINT IS TOO SMALL,
I RECOMMEND THE PORT OF DAVAO IN THE ISLAND OF MINDANAO.


http://www.mindanao.com/images/atfdavao.gif

:horse:

J.P.

[bartstrife99]

actuallya parang gusto nila yung katulad sa spratlys isaland natin may paliparan ang ganda ng view!

[Waldenstrom]

COSCO looks for island as hub

By GENIVI FACTAO

China Ocean Shipping Co.,(COSCO) the world’s second-largest shipping firm, is reported to be considering looking at another island to set up its logistics hub after finding Sangley Point in Cavite, too small.

Liang Wentao, economic commercial counselor of the Chinese embassy said COSCO while still considering putting up a logistics center in the country.can’t find a good location.

"They want to work in a very big island, since COSCO is really a big shipping company," Liang said.

He said COSCO officials have visited Sangley Point and found it "quite small".

"The lands here are privately owned and its difficult to look for a piece of land and develop a logistic hub," he added.

He commended the Philippines’ effort in enticing investors to come in.

"The Philippine government is doing a good job," he claimed.

Other than Sangley point, COSCO has reportedly been eyeing the Subic Freeport.

"We view Subic and even Clark as a destination for investment. Infrastructure there are in place and we promote these areas in China," he said.

He claimed that its up to the company to find the best place to invest here in the Philippines.

COSCO has been looking for joint venture with a local firm for the various components of its shipping and logistics hub in the country.

COSCO is now in the stage of working out local partnerships for the shipping hub, shipbuilding, industrial estate and maritime school, which are components of the integrated shipping and logistics hub it proposed to undertake in the country,"Francis Chua, the Philippines’ Special Envoy to China for Trade and Investments earlier said.

COSCO has presented its proposal to build an integrated shipping and logistics hub as early as June last year.

The Philippines hub will be for shipment bound to Europe and America. The cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa.

The COSCO facility when put up is expected to generate employment of about 100,000 .

how about reclaim more lands?

[Juan Pilgrim]

MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!!!

http://anton.blogs.com/flag/large.jpg


MABUHAY ANG PILIPINO!!

MABUHAY ANG ARAW NG KALAYAAN!!

:horse:

J.P.

[Goku_25]

Sangley Point should be developed as a 2nd premiere airport after DMIA. It should also serve flights bound for Manila and much of CALABARZON.

NAIA in the future should use only domestic flights and city-to-city flights from the nearest Asian city to Manila.

[Goku_25]

Sangley Point should be developed as a 2nd premiere airport after DMIA. It should also serve flights bound for Manila and much of CALABARZON.

NAIA in the future should use only domestic flights and city-to-city flights from the nearest Asian city to Manila.

[bartstrife99]

Sangley Point should be developed as a 2nd premiere airport after DMIA. It should also serve flights bound for Manila and much of CALABARZON.

NAIA in the future should use only domestic flights and city-to-city flights from the nearest Asian city to Manila.

I agree with you but the problem is Sangley Point is too much small to be the next DMIA and also the city is too much congested and one rail system. i am living here in cavite city.

[tisoycuba]

maliit naman talaga ang sangley point,kaya nga inalis nang kano nila ang naval base nila dyan,nilipat sa subic eh...kaya ayaw na nang cosco dyan mga bosing..

[Juan Pilgrim]

maliit naman talaga ang sangley point,kaya nga inalis nang kano nila ang naval base nila dyan,nilipat sa subic eh...kaya ayaw na nang cosco dyan mga bosing..

^^
IF COSCO THINKS SANGLEY POINT IS TOO SMALL,
I RECOMMEND THE PORT OF DAVAO IN THE ISLAND OF MINDANAO.


http://www.mindanao.com/images/atfdavao.gif

.

Sayang maliit nga ang Sangley Point.

Kung ayaw ng COSCO sa Sangley Point or the Port of Davao.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/angeleslew/CDOBanner2.jpg

Why not the Port of Cagayan de Oro, Mindanao Island.

:horse:

J.P.

[spearhead]

GAano ba kalaki ang Portof Davao? Hindi ba masyadong malayo yan from mainland china? I think they prefer somewhere in the middle of the philippines, atleast.

If only they are willing to conduct reclamations at Sangley then that would be great.

[Juan Pilgrim]

GAano ba kalaki ang Portof Davao? Hindi ba masyadong malayo yan from mainland china? I think they prefer somewhere in the middle of the philippines, atleast.

If only they are willing to conduct reclamations at Sangley then that would be great.

http://www.unitedworld-usa.com/forum/img/pic/asian_map.jpg

The PORTS OF DAVAO AND CAGAYAN DE ORO in the ISLAND OF MINDANAO are both huge.

http://www.brunet.bn/org/bimpeabc/sealinks_g.gif

DAVAO'S PORT is more STRATEGICALLY LOCATED.

http://www.evergreen-marine.com/tbn1/images/051124.jpg

CAGAYAN DE ORO has the DEEPER PORT that can accomodate TANKERS and GIANT CARGO SHIPS.

http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/TRB1772.jpg

I envision SANGLEY POINT as the choicest PORT OF CALL for INTERNATIONAL CRUISE SHIPS.

MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS.
:horse:

J.P.

[wheel of steel]

Would it be nice to start another thread as Planned COSCO International Port and Logistic Center. Some of the forumers here is quiet confused since Sangley was just one of the several ecozones that was chosen by COSCO.

[bartstrife99]

Actually malayo talaga ang davao sa china, ang plan kasi nila ay maging port hub papuntang U.S at Europe pero kung plan nila ay mag export through S.E. Asia maganda ang Davao kc malapit eto.

[mwg12a]

Parang malayong malayo pa yatang pangarap ang PORT OF CALL for international cruise liners, especially sa Sangley. Siguro sa Cebu medyo possible ito dahilan sa mga beach resorts duon. Pero kung yumaman ang Pilipinas possible siguro dahil maraming filipino ang makakaafford ng cruise trip tulad sa Miami at Tampa FL. Pero para sa mga import at export malaking chance mang yari ito.

[Potchot69]

planned highways, rail system, airport, naval base and bridges:

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447464_9664.jpg
Dapat simulan na ‘tong Cavite-Bataan suspension bridge para madali nang puntahan ang Cosco pag full blast na ang operation nito. This will make Mega Manila, Calabarzon, Sangley Point, Clark and Subic all the way to Luisita industrial park a super economic corridor lalo na kung makukumpleto din ang Alabang-Balintawag Skyway, Northrail at Southrail. Metro Luzon Urban Beltway will then be the undisputed economic superpower not only in the Philippines but potentially in Southeast Asia as well.:banana:

[flymordecai]

^^ Wow, first time I've heard of a bridge connecting Bataan and Cavite. I hope they go "all out" in the construction of this bridge, meaning 4-6 lanes minimum. This bridge should have a direct highway links to major expressways such as SLEX and SCTEX. This would really spur the development of Bataan and the expansion of Metro Manila. It could become the Greater Manila Bay Area. :D

I just checked Google Earth and the distance from Bataan to Cavite on that path is about 21 kilometers, about the same as the Incheon Bridge. That bridge is expected to cost $1.4 billion. I hope the Bat-Cave Bridge (:D) will be of this scope. I think the Incheon Bridge's cable stayed form would be a better choice.

http://i32.tinypic.com/whz5l1.jpg

[Juan Pilgrim]

...undisputed economic superpower not only in the Philippines but potentially in Southeast Asia as well.:banana:


I can get use to this.
The bridge to becoming an:
ECONOMIC SUPERPOWER!!

:horse:

J.P.

[mygz14]

^^ Wow, first time I've heard of a bridge connecting Bataan and Cavite. I hope they go "all out" in the construction of this bridge, meaning 4-6 lanes minimum. This bridge should have a direct highway links to major expressways such as SLEX and SCTEX. This would really spur the development of Bataan and the expansion of Metro Manila. It could become the Greater Manila Bay Area. :D

I just checked Google Earth and the distance from Bataan to Cavite on that path is about 21 kilometers, about the same as the Incheon Bridge. That bridge is expected to cost $1.4 billion. I hope the Bat-Cave Bridge (:D) will be of this scope. I think the Incheon Bridge's cable stayed form would be a better choice.

http://i32.tinypic.com/whz5l1.jpg

Manila Bay Area would be similar to the San Francisco Bay Area. Hahaha. It's nice.

[diz]

^^ that's incheon. :)

Hahaha!! Bat-Cave Bridge. Good one! :okay:

[WANCH]

Dapat simulan na ‘tong Cavite-Bataan suspension bridge para madali nang puntahan ang Cosco pag full blast na ang operation nito. This will make Mega Manila, Calabarzon, Sangley Point, Clark and Subic all the way to Luisita industrial park a super economic corridor lalo na kung makukumpleto din ang Alabang-Balintawag Skyway, Northrail at Southrail. Metro Luzon Urban Beltway will then be the undisputed economic superpower not only in the Philippines but potentially in Southeast Asia as well.:banana:

I was reading this book and the Bataan-Cavite bridge would not just include road but rail as well

[Juan Pilgrim]

Road and Rail is even better!

:horse:

J.P.

[Waldenstrom]

Dapat simulan na ‘tong Cavite-Bataan suspension bridge para madali nang puntahan ang Cosco pag full blast na ang operation nito. This will make Mega Manila, Calabarzon, Sangley Point, Clark and Subic all the way to Luisita industrial park a super economic corridor lalo na kung makukumpleto din ang Alabang-Balintawag Skyway, Northrail at Southrail. Metro Luzon Urban Beltway will then be the undisputed economic superpower not only in the Philippines but potentially in Southeast Asia as well.:banana:
This will be a megacity!!!

[bustero]

I wouldn't hold my breath for this bridge, it's been shot down by NEDA before, let's concentrate on building the roads and traffic to it first!

On the other hand if Cosco is not pushing through I hope they still push through with the manila cavite expressway, airport seaport development. This is still very worthwhile IMO. Having an airport in the south would compliment Manila and Clark.

[anonymous_filipino]

If the Skyway is completely finish from Alabang to Balintawak and also the C-6 Tollway and also the Northrail up to Clark/DMIA, the Sangley Point airport will be rendered useless because people from the south will not experience the horrible Manila traffic going to NLEx and DMIA and the travel time by road from Alabang going to Balintawak Toll Barrier of NLEx will be reduced to almost an hour, compared today when using EDSA and the Quirino Avenue-Lacson Avenue-Dimasalang St.-Bonifacio Avenue route. Thus the people from the south will not use Sangley Point Airport as traveling to DMIA will be fast

[Potchot69]

Good point pero kailangan pa rin i-develop for Calabarzon and the southern provinces. DMIA will cater to people from the north while Sangley Point airport will be for the southerners.

[Goku_25]

Good point pero kailangan pa rin i-develop for Calabarzon and the southern provinces. DMIA will cater to people from the north while Sangley Point airport will be for the southerners.

Sangley Point should be renamed as either Benigno Aquino International Airport, Fidel Ramos International Airport or any other name once if the airport is expanded as the 2nd Premiere Airport after DMIA.

[WANCH]

Sangley Point should be renamed as either Benigno Aquino International Airport, Fidel Ramos International Airport or any other name once if the airport is expanded as the 2nd Premiere Airport after DMIA.

When I see it, this area is better off as a container port since the current one in Manila doesn't not much justice

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ yes it can be the new container port of Manila with some reclamation. What if we close present container terminal and the south harbor then relocate them to Sangley Point? It would be a good location. Then I suggest that the Port of Batangas and the Port of Subic be merge with the Port of Manila, thus the Port of Manila will have a shallow water port and 2 deepwater ports.

[Potchot69]

Sangley Point should be renamed as either Benigno Aquino International Airport, Fidel Ramos International Airport or any other name once if the airport is expanded as the 2nd Premiere Airport after DMIA.
Di ba may NAIA na (for Benigno Aquino)? Hindi rin puwedeng ipangalan kay Ramos dahil buhay pa siya. Maganda rin naman sa pandinig ang Sangley Int'l Airport.:)

[Waldenstrom]

^^ Maganda pakinggang ang Sangley International Airport pero malamang Aguinaldo International Airport 'to. :D

[spearhead]

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447464_9664.jpg

The planned bridge to connect cavite and bataan can go through the islands of corrigidor where they didn' have to dig deeper for its supporting pillars for the bridge. Anyway whatever happened to this plan? Nawala nanaman....

[anonymous_filipino]

^^ as what i see at the map above, one of the proposed expressway will cut through the dormant mt. mariveles, which is not good. the proposed Bataan-Cavite bridge can have an exit ramp going to Corregidor, the design should be like that of the Hangzhou Bay Bridge.

[spearhead]

^^ as what i see at the map above, one of the proposed expressway will cut through the dormant mt. mariveles, which is not good. the proposed Bataan-Cavite bridge can have an exit ramp going to Corregidor, the design should be like that of the Hangzhou Bay Bridge.

I know it doesn't make any sense, but since raja who originally posted that photo and according to him that was all he could remember seeing his friend's photos or blueprint/renderings, so possibly he's also making some mistakes here. If there were really plans to build those bridges and highways then it make a lot of sense to just build it around the mariveles mountains where the real population is residing, hopefully at the eastern part i would say, its closer to manila too. Beside building a tunnel that long is way expensive and no much access to the residents living around the mountanous part of bataan.

I was reading this book and the Bataan-Cavite bridge would not just include road but rail as well

Wht book? Any internet links about that plans? I wanna read and see any renderings about this bridge. Too bad they banned AH-7Raja cuz according to him he knew a person who had those blueprint of that planned cavite-bataan bridge that was shelved by Ramos administration including that laguna de bay bridges or whatever infrastructure it was.

[spearhead]

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/jibrael865/cavite1.jpg





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I remembered that a couple of years ago a chinese corporation also wants to
manage Panama Canal and a pier in Los Angeles, CA. But many peoples in those places objected to that plans for reasons of national security.

If a mainland Chinese company will take over Sangley Points which is a former
U.S. Naval and Air Station and now a base of the Philippine Navy and the Philippine Air Force, don't you think it will be bad for our national security especially if in the future China flexes it's military muscle. I reckoned COSCO is owned by Peoples Republic of China.

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Ignatius1
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Re: Chicoms want Sangley Point
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2007, 09:17:17 pm »

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I have to say that I am suspicious of this deal as well. What possible benefit is China looking at as far as establishing a shipping hub at Sangley Point? Is the port of Manila over crowded and unsuitable for their purposes? China has thousands of miles of coastline. Why not find a nice spot somewhere along that coast? Looking at a map, it makes no sense economically. A hub is usually designed as an intermediate point where goods will go to different directions (think FedEx). The sea lanes from China to ports all over asia are not that long and a hub going to the Americas and Europe can just as easily be constructed in China providing shorter distance for goods to reach such a hub (as opposed to transporting all that stuff to a port only to tranfer them on another port).

Will the project benefit the Philippines? I am sure it will. Having someone else pay for such a massive infrastructure project is certainly beneficial. It will create jobs along the way, which will certainly benefit local economies and possibly increase the tax base. What we do not have a clear understanding of is the accompanying adverse impact - usually not readily apparent (especially in light of the fact that the company in question already has baggage associated with it).

As far as Chinese intelligence ops; I think they are already well settled in various parts of Filipino society (government, business, and the military). It is to PRC's advantage that the Philippines remains barely viable. I would not be surprised that in its view having a weak Philippines prevents encirclement from the sea via Japan, Korea, and Tiawan. It is worth noting that the PLAN has been working on its blue water capability for some time now. A country develops such capabilities if it feels threatened, has intentions to expand, or both.

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brev
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Re: Sangley port project OK'd
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 03:37:04 pm »

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COSCO the same company caught by US authorities redhanded distributing firearms to gangs in the US?

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philippinestoday
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Re: Sangley port project OK'd
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 03:44:57 pm »

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Quote from: brev on July 20, 2007, 03:37:04 pm
COSCO the same company caught by US authorities redhanded distributing firearms to gangs in the US?


with this and so many other info's regarding the true nature of cosco's business here and elsewhere..the government should and always check them out..I was against this but since only a part of the base will be use for this development, so its ok..But, the facility should be run,much like the way they run subic..filipinos overlooking on every aspect of the port - (just assuming,anyone here have any info to suport my assumptions? )

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I think there is still a chance to build another international airport at sangley point whether or not if COSCO decided to build a subic-style air/seaports there, but it will take us another 20 yrs o so to see this happening and only if DMIA became the next gateway. Because i cannot just really imagine if DMIA become our main gateway int'l airport PERMANENTLY for long whenever they finish the works there. Because it simply too faraway from the capital city of manila.

I brought up this issue before, & now i made a sketch based to what ive seen and partly remember from an engineer's plan a couple of years ago (it may not be the exact drawing):

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447373_7904.jpg

Ideally, there would supposed to be a new proposal of building a huge airport at sangley point by reclaiming part of manila bay. Its huge because the AFP will be sharing part of the airport and seaport with a naval base. The chinese were not really part of the original planners to build this ambitious project, it was actually us, not unless if some of those "filipino chinese" businessmen who were part of original planners 10 or 15 yrs ago, are somehow connected with those present chinese who wanted to be part of building this airport.

The new highways, tunnels, and railway system proposals were also part of the original plans including the transformation of the NAIA into a new progressive and business hub downtown manila city. Unfortunately we might not gonna see all of these to be materialized because of the too much corruptions going on in the government.

Anyway, to me this plan is excellent, with those runways facing away from crowded highrise buildings even with the seaport and naval base located just right beside the new airport. Again, there are no official blueprints or renderings on this one.

We'll see... Slowly they are revealing this rumor bit by bits. You people will believe me one day.

:cheers:


I think its not only the corruption that affected that plan if it is really true which i hardly believe right now, unless if i see any reports from that old plan during the ramos administration. The 97 asian flu have surely hit that infrastructure plans and the lack of foreign or local investors. Ngayon pa ngalang din hirap na silang gumawa ng SLEX at NLEX pati yang mga north/south rail project nayan, paano pa kaya ang isang mahabang bridge to connect bataan and cavite. If they can afford it then why not.

[spearhead]

BTW, i think it's really a great idea to have an international airport built at sangley point and close the whole NAIA, but its gonna be very expensive because a lot of reclamation will be involved too. Because the Sangley Pt is faraway from the residents and the urbanized manila, less air polution too. Only in the perfect world....

[spearhead]

I FINALLY found some truth and leads about what some forumers here (specially to raja) initially posted regarding that planned bridge to be built at manila bay to connect cavite and bataan:




Longest Bridge in the Philippines
The country's longest bridge is the San Juanico Bridge, a steel structure connecting the islands of Samar and Leyte. Built in 1973 under the Marcos administration, the 2.16-kilometer bridge crosses over the picturesque San Juanico Strait as a part of the Maharlika Highway. Also known as Marcos Bridge, San Juanico Bridge has 43 spans rising 41 meters above the sea. Bunton Bridge in Cagayan province is said to be the country's second longest bridge.

The title of the longest bridge, however, may soon belong to a bridge, which will be built in the Manila Bay. This cable suspension bridge will link Metro Manila to the provinces of Bataan and Cavite. It will be patterned after the Tokyo Bay Aqualine, which connects Kawasaki City in Kanagawa Prefecture to Kisarazu City in Japan.

http://www.txtmania.com/trivia/longest.php


Sorry its OT but since there are no concrete renderings yet about this project, its not worthy to start a new thread, not unless if kiretoce think otherwise.

[bartstrife99]

Is that true on well Planned for the Connecting Bridge of cavite to Bataan? i want to see those bridge stand in the said project, nice to hear but who is really man behind on this proposed project? actually the Mayor of Korea (just forget the name) will visit this coming week in cavite City and for sure some possible Big investment from Korea is await? let us wait for more info....

[flymordecai]

Mayor of Korea? :tongue2:

Do you mean the Mayor of Seoul?

[spearhead]

Mayor of Korea??? :lol:

Baka nga gusto nilang gumawa ng ganitong bridge sa manila bay:
http://i32.tinypic.com/whz5l1.jpg

Yup let's cross our fingers.... Hopefully this means some big investment!

[Waldenstrom]

di kaya ma-block ang view ng Manila Bay sunset?

[galore]

^^^ exactly what i had in mind. we can't have a bridge to block the serenity of the sunset.

[flymordecai]

If the bridge was ever approved, then the designer should take consideration of that.

[crappypants]

I wonder if we add all the monies corrupted by all the politicians and their business cronies ,we can build a bridge like this on our own.

[mygz14]

Is that true on well Planned for the Connecting Bridge of cavite to Bataan? i want to see those bridge stand in the said project, nice to hear but who is really man behind on this proposed project? actually the Mayor of Korea (just forget the name) will visit this coming week in cavite City and for sure some possible Big investment from Korea is await? let us wait for more info....

Is it true that a mayor from Korea will be visiting Cavite City? I just drove along Muralla going to the Cavite City Hall and I was surprised to see Philippine and Korean Flags side by side, the one's you commonly would find along Roxas Boulevard when a Foreign Dignitary arrives. By the way, to the moderator, if it's possible, let's rename this they Sangley Point Development Project to be more specific to the project. Peace:goodbye:

[Juan Pilgrim]

I concur with pareng mygz14
SANGLEY POINT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS
is a more apropos title to this thread.

It will be more inclusive of other
DEV. PROJs.


:horse:

JP

[bartstrife99]

yup mayor of Korea is visiting cavite City, Mayor Ding jang Gee (not for sure the name) of Dangjin City ,Korea i dont any have camera to take a picture of the said announcement posted in the entrance of Cavite City. those caviteno's who will participate in the Regada festival this coming June 24,08 can see the said poster. as far as i know even the Queen Elizabeth of England already visited the Cavite City in the 90's so this is not new for other respected people around the world to visit the historical City.