INDIANAPOLIS | One Indiana Square Reclad | U/C

[mobyhead]

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Property management: http://www.mcknightdevelopment.com/port_ind_1indsq.html

Owner: http://www.halakar.com/

Construction: http://www.fawilhelm.com/

Emporis: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=1indianasquare-indianapolis-in-usa

Before:
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After:
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[mobyhead]

Starting July 23rd pedestrian traffic will be affected somewhat on the Pennsylvania Street sidewalk. Protection from overhead work.

[IndyYeah]

What do you think that the bottom part is not getting done? Is the old part glass and all going to clash? I know that the newer part has been done to other buildings, but is their anything different at all in this redesign?

[unvrsty07]

I wish we could all see a night time rendering. I think this will be my fav in indy... that is really sad too!

[mobyhead]

What do you think that the bottom part is not getting done? Is the old part glass and all going to clash? I know that the newer part has been done to other buildings, but is their anything different at all in this redesign?

Todd Mauer mentioned that they would re-visit that idea down the road. I believe the building's base and garage should be done to reflect the tower's remodel. But these aren't areas of concern. It's floors 6-36 that need a strengthened curtain as seen by last years wind storm. I do know there are a few attorney offices that are still off-limits due to internal damage.

*from last April*
http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/SiteImages/Article/26225a.jpg

[ablerock]

I'm hoping Mr. Mauer's ego will get the best of him post-remodeling. The architectural conflict should be fairly obvious to everyone after it's done and the ensuing choir of critical voices should prove too strong to ignore. I think he'll cave to the pressure and end up with much more marketable building. :-)

[MilwaukeeMark]

MUCH better. I never liked that building. Good news... I'm excited to see this project progress!

[NaptownBoy]

Oh God, would it kill them to do the base too?

[IndyYeah]

Oh God, would it kill them to do the base too?

Exactly! The base is part of the building! The important part is from 6 stories, however for a skyscraper in Indianapolis, this is not the backwoods. This project is not a quick fix shantytown repair, do the whole thing...

[moochie]

We've only seen a couple old renders of this thing. I'm not convinced they aren't doing the base.. Perhaps they hadn't decided what to do to it exactly before it went to press.

[mobyhead]

Wilhelm is accepting delivery of the new curtain wall this morning. They are in wooden crates with the glass already installed. With the early morning sun it was hard to tell what color the tint on them was. I'll bring my digital camera tomorrow and post a few pictures tomorrow night of the progress thus far.

[mobyhead]

^^ The glass is tinted green (DUH). The crates are marked, such as 7 North Mock. Apparently they are going to construct a section on the NE corner to see how it looks?

[moochie]

^^ The glass is tinted green (DUH). The crates are marked, such as 7 North Mock. Apparently they are going to construct a section on the NE corner to see how it looks?

You mean the tower won't be that anemic blue color? If so... Thank God.

[mobyhead]

It's almost like a light wintergreen color. Obviously it will look different when it secured to the building.

[ablerock]

It's almost like a light wintergreen color. Obviously it will look different when it secured to the building.

That's what I'm most excited about with this project... the addition of some color to Indy's skyline. It's also going to change the feel of Mass. Ave quite a bit, as Indiana Square is visible right down the middle of it when looking south.

[IndyYeah]

That's what I'm most excited about with this project... the addition of some color to Indy's skyline. It's also going to change the feel of Mass. Ave quite a bit, as Indiana Square is visible right down the middle of it when looking south.

How thick is that glass compared to the other glass? Have the backhoes started with 3 mass yet? I think a backhoe was delivered last week. That area is really going to look nice in a year or so.

[moochie]

It's almost like a light wintergreen color. Obviously it will look different when it secured to the building.

Wait.. what you're describing is similar to one of the facade pieces I saw on the old test display on Ohio.. do you think they may have ditched the blue on favor of that color scheme? It's actually be a lot easier to blend the base in if that's the case..

[mobyhead]

Wait.. what you're describing is similar to one of the facade pieces I saw on the old test display on Ohio.. do you think they may have ditched the blue on favor of that color scheme? It's actually be a lot easier to blend the base in if that's the case..

I think so. The display on the 5th floor terrace was put up so the owners could get an idea of their "vision".

IndyYeah I don't know about the thickness. Need a hard hat to get into that area. It's still crated. I do see that Mass and New York streets have lane restrictions around the 3 Mass project. However as of this morning nothing is being done. Also now the sidewalk on Penn is fenced off in front of Indiana Square. I see people walking in the street.

[ablerock]

I'll bring my digital camera tomorrow and post a few pictures tomorrow night of the progress thus far.

By the way, this is much appreciated. :-)


I've also just realized how freaky this building is going to look in the 20-60% complete range. :-)

Should be quite entertaining! :-)

[CorrND]

By the way, this is much appreciated. :-)


I've also just realized how freaky this building is going to look in the 20-60% complete range. :-)

Should be quite entertaining! :-)
HA! I hadn't considered that! You're absolutely right.

And again, thanks for the updates mobyhead. I was thinking a link to One Indiana Square's emporis page might be useful in your first post, for people that aren't very familiar with the tower. Here it is for convenience:

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=1indianasquare-indianapolis-in-usa

[mobyhead]

HA! I hadn't considered that! You're absolutely right.

And again, thanks for the updates mobyhead. I was thinking a link to One Indiana Square's emporis page might be useful in your first post, for people that aren't very familiar with the tower. Here it is for convenience:

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=1indianasquare-indianapolis-in-usa

Done, Thanks! Left the camera at home. Forgot. I have a friend who is the office manager for Tabbert Hahn on the 19th floor. Her office faces north. She said I was free to take pics from her window of the crane/construction staging area.

I found this at www.skyscrapernews.com. It's a rendering of a tower that is being built in London. It was designed by the same firm that's doing this building. Gensler has quite an impressive resume.
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/ropemaker_place1.jpg

[mobyhead]

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[unvrsty07]

Moby, what color are the new panels? Cause you mentioned a green in an earlier post, however, those panels look blue to me?.... also, the blue colums replacing the white ones, are those permanent, or are they simply stripping the exterior?

[mobyhead]

I swear to god, buddha, etc. the glass looked green when they were delivered yesterday. They did start mounting some of those this afternoon. I'll have a better idea in the next few days. It probably is a blue but not the dark smokey blue that the bldg has now. My wife says it's turquoise.

[moochie]

You know Moby, we've actually probably met... I've been banking at that branch since I opened up a savings account at age 10 there. (I grew up downtown) Of course, it was INB and the branch was on the other side of the building back then. I've been by those desks and talked to you people countless times over the past 25 years or so.

[cwilson758]

WHAT WILL THIS LOOK LIKE AT NIGHT????????????

[mobyhead]

I asked the assistant building manager the other day if she could tell me exactly what color this building was going to be. She hummed and hawed and said blue. That doesn't help me. WHAT COLOR IS THE BUILDING GOING TO BE?!?! :bash: I see the Wilhelm project manager running around all the time. Perhaps I need to get in good with him.

[mobyhead]

You know Moby, we've actually probably met... I've been banking at that branch since I opened up a savings account at age 10 there. (I grew up downtown) Of course, it was INB and the branch was on the other side of the building back then. I've been by those desks and talked to you people countless times over the past 25 years or so.

I was the armed guard in here for about 5 years. Even if we haven't met I certainly have seen you on camera. :)

[mobyhead]

I was just on the 5th floor. Workers are tearing out all the planters on the terrace. They even have a Bobcat up there.

[IndyYeah]

I asked the assistant building manager the other day if she could tell me exactly what color this building was going to be. She hummed and hawed and said blue. That doesn't help me. WHAT COLOR IS THE BUILDING GOING TO BE?!?! :bash: I see the Wilhelm project manager running around all the time. Perhaps I need to get in good with him.

Todd Mauer around? Hey anything else going on at 3 Mass?

[mobyhead]

Todd Mauer around? Hey anything else going on at 3 Mass?

Nothing on 3 Mass yet even though the area is fenced off and the North lane adjacent on New York is closed. There is also a construction trailer on site. Todd always seems to have a posse (sp?) around him. His father Mickey would seem more approachable than him. :)

[mobyhead]

I'll be brief. As of this afternoon they have installed new curtain wall 5 windows across and on two floors, 6 and 7. Hard to make it out as the covered scaffolding blocks much of the view (as seen in photo above).

[mobyhead]

Workers are boarding up the windows along the offices on the 5th floor. The Indiana State Bar has a suite up there above the parking garage.

[cityfan]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but, are they putting up new windows over old ones, then removing the old ones?

[moochie]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but, are they putting up new windows over old ones, then removing the old ones?

Basically, yes. This also extends the floor space 18 inches in every direction, necessitating an upgrade of the sprinkler system. At least I think Moby said that once.

[mobyhead]

Basically, yes. This also extends the floor space 18 inches in every direction, necessitating an upgrade of the sprinkler system. At least I think Moby said that once.

Not sure about how many inches exactly but yes they will need to extend the sprinkler pipes. While we are on the subject of fire. They aren't advertising this but there have been a couple of small fires so far. The fire department was here a few weeks ago in the very early morning. Workers extinguished it. This was due to the welding being done. I suppose this is to be expected to a degree. I was told one day there was a haze in the air in IKON's suite on the 6th floor. Most of the lower floors are still vacant but as you get up higher near the law firms you will hear some complaints I am sure. How the tenants aren't going to be impacted? I doubt this will be the case. How do you go into a tenant space after hours and not disrupt these offices? Many attorneys work some long crazy hours.

However they are doing a great job of communicating with the tenants as things progress.

[ablerock]

Stopped by on my lunch break yesterday to get a closer look. Actually, I do this practically everyday, but I decided to take some pictures this time. :-)

Images are a little blue. Some of that is due to the sky reflecting...


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[cwilson758]

I was downtown yesterday and stopped to look at the new windows...I am impressed. This is going to look great and will certainly enhance teh City's skyline for the better. Too bad this wasn't a new tower :)

[mobyhead]

Thanks for posting those Ablerock. I too brought the camera yesterday. However every time I went outside the scaffolding was in the way. Had a call at the switchboard from a construction foreman asking where his people could park. They are starting next week building cabinets for the tenants. I can only assume it's for storing items aways from the windows when workers come inside to take out the old curtain wall. Man this is such a huge undertaking.

[mobyhead]

The planters and trees have been removed from the 5th floor terrace (as seen on the bottom left). Makes for a great staging area for the remodel. You can see the Indiana Bar office on the right above the garage.
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[Babbage08]

I'm digging that glass...Can't wait to see how the redesign will impact and make our skyline seem more modern as a whole. Thanks for the updates Moby.

At first I didn't like the whole idea but it's all grown on me.

[CorrND]

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WOW. That glass looks fantastic. Can't wait to see it in person (and also to see a larger section of it).

[NaptownBoy]

That's a much better facade.

Now if we could do this for all of our bland towers we'd be in business!

[cwilson758]

I'm digging that glass...


It really modernizes the tower and will breathe new life into the skyline. I am really liking this and can't wait to see it finished.

My one complaint is that the current design with the small squared wqindows, makes the tower seem much taller than it really is.

[mobyhead]

Looks like they'll start to move a bit faster now. The have pretty much cleared off the 5th floor terrace and have several beams up there. Also they have expanded the staging area in the North surface lot. No longer can people park there.

[mobyhead]

I wrote Kevinfromtexas at SSP concerning the remodel of the Fort Worth Tower. He was nice enough to send me this reply...


Hi there,

I'm not sure exactly how long it took to redo The Tower, but it took at least that long. Of course that building sustained a lot of water damage because after the tornado hit, it rained in. Just about every single window on 2 sides of the building was blown out. It also set vacant for about 4 years, and even with the plywood up in place of the windows, mold started to grow. The interior was also damaged because of the wind. So the building basically had to be gutted because of this. There was also the issue of asbestos, the building was full of it. The actual renovation of the building replaced all the windows, added limestone accents and updated the roof and base. The base actually required new steel to be added.

The building was completed sometime early last year I believe.

John R is the best person to ask about this. He's an architect and lives in Fort Worth.

Check out one of this threads here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=135156

The tower on the right.
http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/carnegie-const3.jpg

Here's the base.
http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/thetower-07-21-07-base.jpg

John R's website, fortwortharchitecture.com with the page on the building.
http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/bankone.htm

-Kevin[/QUOTE]

[mobyhead]

Progress seems so slow. They delivered 16 more beams this morning. No new glass yet but they are systematically tearing out the old framing. It's so hot too. They delivered 4 huge fans this morning as well. Most likely to keep the workers cool on the scaffolding.

Also I spoke with building security. They are talking about beefing up security for when workers need to come inside to tear out the old curtain wall. When the bldg was damaged last year a lot of stuff was stolen while the place was vacant for all those weeks. :dunno:

[IndiexInxIndy]

WE NEED MORE PICS! GRRR :cheers:

[mobyhead]

WE NEED MORE PICS! GRRR :cheers:

Nothing appears all that obvious in regards to what's already been posted. I do know they are now working on the south side of the building. I would need to be above it at the Chase Tower to take any photos.

[mobyhead]

Nothing appears all that obvious in regards to what's already been posted. I do know they are now working on the south side of the building. I would need to be above it at the Chase Tower to take any photos.

*edit Looks like they are about up to the 12th floor with the new beams on the SW corner of the building.

[mobyhead]

They are starting to remove the old curtain wall from the inside of floors 6,7, and 8 on the NE corner.

[Indyman]

Im so excited for this fresh makeover!

[cwilson758]

I was DT yesterday and noticed that they are now going up above the new windows. This should really make the make-over more apparent. I know it has been said over and over, but this new "skin" is going to really make the skyline look more modern.

[mobyhead]

I will post more pictures when it's worth the time and effort. Things are progressing slowly. At any given time I might see about 15 -20 workers. Eventually they will speed things up. It's been so freaking hot. TTFN (ta ta for now) :dj:

[ablerock]

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I'm looking forward to seeing the variations in glass treatment. It's hard to tell what exactly makes them different in the rendering above. The photos I posted weeks ago were of the NE corner. The rendering above shows the south facade.

It looks like the NE corner will mirror the SE corner with the very narrow strip of accent glass on the edge, and the NW corner will mirror the SW corner with the wider accent strip. It's very hard to tell what the top accent stip will look like. We'll have to wait the longest for that!

[mobyhead]

If you look at the very top banner. That is where there was discussion to install LED lighting. This morning I saw with the lift that they were up to floor 14 on the NE corner. I'll check the SW corner today. Perhaps they are going to do the accented corners first that you reference Ablerock.

*edit* Just found out that they are just about as high up as they will go with these lifts. Next they will start from the roof and work their way down. I guess we"ll have to see what that looks like when it happens.

[mobyhead]

One of my "you didn't hear it from me" sources said there was smoke filling a suite on the 16th floor the other day. I think this is the 4th occurance of fire/smoke due to welding. At least they are halfway up on two sides now. :banana:

[IndiexInxIndy]

One of my "you didn't hear it from me" sources said there was smoke filling a suite on the 16th floor the other day. I think this is the 4th occurance of fire/smoke due to welding. At least they are halfway up on two sides now. :banana:

Please may you? I'm back to school in Michigan now... Meh. :ohno:

[mobyhead]

Please may you? I'm back to school in Michigan now... Meh. :ohno:
I'll try to bring my camera next week to work. What school you attending? Major?

[IndiexInxIndy]

I'll try to bring my camera next week to work. What school you attending? Major?

Oh dude, i go to CMU for right now & am majoring in real estate & music! I'll probably end up transfering to Ball State tho... But yes, a few new pics would be pretty sweet! :cheers:

[cityfan]

Moby, you should see if there's anything worth taking photos of at the 3Mass site. It'd be much appreciated. I'd do it myself but i'm out of town for the next two weeks.

[mobyhead]

Found some information on an old tri-fold card that they handed out when Indiana Square was first built (and actually by looking at the dates provided this card was printed before the building was done). Some of the facts...

Important Dates:
Building announcement: 9/15/66
Demolition begun: 6/9/67
Ground breaking: 8/10/67
First Steel Erected: 12/15/67
Topping out: Sept 1968 (est.)
Completion: Late 1969 (est.)

Cost: Excess of 20 million
Structural Steel: 7,400 tons
Wiring: 265 miles
Tower dimensions: Width 100 feet, length 170 feet
Base Dimension: 200 X 400 feet
Glass for Exterior Walls: 350,000 Square Feet

17 elevators:
Low-rise 500 feet per minute
Mid-rise 700 feet per minute
High-rise 1,000 feet per minute

Exterior Finish of Building:
Duranodic aluminum
Solargray glass
White Italian marble

Rentable space: 677,590 Square Feet

Building Height:
1,221 above sea level
504 feet above ground level.

Heliport: 38th level (roof)
Observation Terrace: 36th floor

[mobyhead]

Just noticed that they have 3 more renderings posted in our West lobby. Unable to find them on-line as of yet. I'll keep looking.

[IndiexInxIndy]

Just noticed that they have 3 more renderings posted in our West lobby. Unable to find them on-line as of yet. I'll keep looking.

I would LUST to see them! :cheers2:

[mobyhead]

I would LUST to see them! :cheers2:

I e-mailed Cory over at IBJ Property Lines the other day. He might have some luck getting them on-line somewhere.

[IndiexInxIndy]

I e-mailed Cory over at IBJ Property Lines the other day. He might have some luck getting them on-line somewhere.

Thank you very much! (Elvis Accent) :)

[ablerock]

Just noticed that they have 3 more renderings posted in our West lobby. Unable to find them on-line as of yet. I'll keep looking.

Would that be a lobby that's open to the public?

[mobyhead]

Yes, It's the West Lobby entrance right off of Penn. You will see fencing up everywhere but it's still accessible. Lobby hours are Mon-Fri 6am to 7pm. If you are here at lunchtime there is a nice Bistro downstairs. Just take the escalators.

[ablerock]

Yes, It's the West Lobby entrance right off of Penn. You will see fencing up everywhere but it's still accessible. Lobby hours are Mon-Fri 6am to 7pm. If you are here at lunchtime there is a nice Bistro downstairs. Just take the escalators.

Cool! Thanks. I'm checking it out at lunch tomorrow. :-)

[IndiexInxIndy]

I am just ITCHING for some updates! :)

[mobyhead]

They delivered a shitload of glass panels this morning. The crates are labeled floor 6,7,8, etc. The scaffolding is at the 22nd floor today and they have the beams installed up to the 16th floor. Looks like they are ready to go balls out on this project.

[ablerock]

Here are some shots of the renderings Mobyhead discovered in the lobby. Disregard all colors, as these are photos of prints. A better idea of the final color can be gleaned from the images I posted in this thread a few weeks ago.

Looking at NW corner:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/ablerock/OneIndiana06.jpg

Closeup of NW corner:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/ablerock/OneIndiana01.jpg

Looking at SW corner:

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Closeup of SW corner 1:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/ablerock/OneIndiana05.jpg

Closeup of SW corner 2:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/ablerock/OneIndiana02.jpg

Looking at SE corner:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/ablerock/OneIndiana03.jpg

[mobyhead]

^^ Thanks Ablerock. Helps put the remodel in a better perspective I think.
Had another delivery of glass this morning. They're cruising right along.

[cwilson758]

OOOH...I love the new images! This is really going to breathe new life into a boring box. This will definitely update the skyline and give the city a "neweer" look, since most of our talls date from the late '80's.

It appears that the top of the north and south sides are infact going to have LCD lighting. This will be great for the night skyline. Now if we could just get some night renderings!

[IndiexInxIndy]

Not only that but... it appears the top is larger than the bottom (like it shrinks as it gets towards the bottom) perhaps that's an optical illiusion? But yes... I also like the current glass (the spearmint green color) they have going up better than that blue! :cheers2:

[NaptownBoy]

This brings us one step closer to having a skyline that we can be proud of when watching it on Monday Night Football.

I can't wait to see the various messages that will be flashed across the top of that thing during the night, like Go Colts or Ditch Mitch...

[Indywatch]

I guess it's just an optical illusion but I swear in each of the pictures it looks as though the building is getting wider as you go up (cone shaped). Also.... anyone notice the section of glass panals (with the possible LED display above) on the north and south sides, that is different from the corners are not centered on or symetrical but offset to the east. That seems a bit peculiar. Its very noticable in the last pic. I guess we'll have to see the finished effect will be.

[IndiexInxIndy]

This brings us one step closer to having a skyline that we can be proud of when watching it on Monday Night Football.

I can't wait to see the various messages that will be flashed across the top of that thing during the night, like Go Colts or Ditch Mitch...

I happen to pride myself in our skyline! Like i've said once before "it's subtle yet striking" :cheers:

[mobyhead]

Just spoke with one of my sources. They are in fact going to add some height to the building to accommodate the LED along the roof line. Currently there is about a 4 foot wall extending up from the base of the roof. Also he informed me that Long Electric is doing some preliminary work over at the Chase Tower. They are going to install some type of computerized lighting on that building, perhaps on that ledge about 1/4th of the way up. It will allow the tower there to bask in a glow that they can change colors.

[IndiexInxIndy]

Just spoke with one of my sources. They are in fact going to add some height to the building to accommodate the LED along the roof line. Currently there is about a 4 foot wall extending up from the base of the roof. Also he informed me that Long Electric is doing some preliminary work over at the Chase Tower. They are going to install some type of computerized lighting on that building, perhaps on that ledge about 1/4th of the way up. It will allow the tower there to bask in a glow that they can change colors.

So the Chase Tower is supposed to get some LED lighting too? That would be freaking sweet! :banana:

[cwilson758]

Also he informed me that Long Electric is doing some preliminary work over at the Chase Tower. They are going to install some type of computerized lighting on that building, perhaps on that ledge about 1/4th of the way up. It will allow the tower there to bask in a glow that they can change colors.


I have been saying this for YEARS!!!!!!!! Now, if they would do some lighting work inside of the crown too, they could make Chase Tower very dramatic at night. I mean, it is 811' tall for christ sake!

Also, I read that the AUL building is getting new signage "to show better" at night.

[mobyhead]

So the Chase Tower is supposed to get some LED lighting too? That would be freaking sweet! :banana:

No no no. I'm assuming they will be like floodlights that shine upwards at the tower. The Indiana War Memorial has kind of the same thing. It glows blue right now but they can change the color to meet their needs.

[mobyhead]

I have been saying this for YEARS!!!!!!!! Now, if they would do some lighting work inside of the crown too, they could make Chase Tower very dramatic at night. I mean, it is 811' tall for christ sake!

Also, I read that the AUL building is getting new signage "to show better" at night.

Maybe they can do what some of the towers in Hong Kong do. They really like to show it off....

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[Unionstation13]

Wow. The new renderings look fantastic(for this tower)!
The colors arent thrilling, but they are refreshing from just dark blue glass.
It does seem like it gets bigger as it goes up, but I think this is just an optical illusion.
I wish they would do something with the base(and repair those old statues!).
It would make a fantastic outdoor cafe!

[mobyhead]

I wish they would do something with the base(and repair those old statues!).
It would make a fantastic outdoor cafe!

Our Bistro downstairs is through Crystal Foods. They had a food cart thing out on that plaza a few years back. It didn't go over very well. Also there used to be a fountain over there but it was leaking into the kitchen downstairs. So they filled it with dirt and planted some greenery.

[Unionstation13]

Our Bistro downstairs is through Crystal Foods. They had a food cart thing out on that plaza a few years back. It didn't go over very well. Also there used to be a fountain over there but it was leaking into the kitchen downstairs. So they filled it with dirt and planted some greenery.

I heard about that, but why dident they just fix the leaks? 0_o
I mean an actual outdoor cafe that is done correctly and warmly! That corner is very pleasent to eat on(I'v eaten my lunch there like 67 times). Its a very busy intersection and the mood of the area is very nice and alive.

[mobyhead]

I heard about that, but why dident they just fix the leaks? 0_o
I mean an actual outdoor cafe that is done correctly and warmly! That corner is very pleasent to eat on(I'v eaten my lunch there like 67 times). Its a very busy intersection and the mood of the area is very nice and alive.

They couldn't find the source of the leak. Plus they have those 4 flagpoles out there. INB used to maintain the flags. Now just the US flag is there. You are right though. I guess they couldn't compete with the hot dog vendor set up next to the bus stop???

[Unionstation13]

They couldn't find the source of the leak. Plus they have those 4 flagpoles out there. INB used to maintain the flags. Now just the US flag is there. You are right though. I guess they couldn't compete with the hot dog vendor set up next to the bus stop???

That sucks.
Maybe, I mean those hotdogs are pretty good. :bash:
I think maybe a sort pastry shop or something with coffee would be good.
Then all the donut addicts(like me) would be there 24'7. :lol:

[mobyhead]

This

[mobyhead]

I heard about that, but why dident they just fix the leaks? 0_o
I mean an actual outdoor cafe that is done correctly and warmly! That corner is very pleasent to eat on(I'v eaten my lunch there like 67 times). Its a very busy intersection and the mood of the area is very nice and alive.
Helena you aren't one of those kids that skateboard out there are you? Security had to run them off all the time. :bash:

[IndiexInxIndy]

This thread wouldn't be complete without posting a pic of the man making the decisions on this project. :applause:
http://cms.ibj.com/UploadedFiles/UploadedAds/84/Slide.gif

I thought Todd Maurer was some 50 something strictly businessman. But yea, he looks much more progressive & young than i thought! :nuts:

Cheers to 3 Mass! :cheers2:

[ablerock]

Not only that but... it appears the top is larger than the bottom (like it shrinks as it gets towards the bottom) perhaps that's an optical illiusion?

It is indeed an optical illusion. There were two problematic angles in effect when I took the pictures: 1. Where my camera was in relation to the center of the print. If the camera lens was completely parallel to the print but I was above center at all, the building tapered 2. If I was centered on the print, but the camera lens itself was tilted, you would also see false perspective. I hope that makes sense. Just thought I'd try to explain. I tried to center the camera and get the right angle, but nobody's perfect. They're straight as an arrow in reality. :-)

Helena you aren't one of those kids that skateboard out there are you? Security had to run them off all the time. :bash:

I was one of those kids just a few years ago! :baeh3:

[mobyhead]

I was one of those kids just a few years ago! :baeh3:

Damn kids! :ohno:

[Unionstation13]

Helena you aren't one of those kids that skateboard out there are you? Security had to run them off all the time. :bash:

HELL NO! I never knew there were alot. But I have seen them out there!
Well, one day my lunch break was delayed till 4pm and that time I saw them.
Thats the day I had to tell three kids to fuck off. They offered me cash to have sex and their like what? 10? 0_o

[Unionstation13]

I was one of those kids just a few years ago! :baeh3:

That would make you like 12 now? :nuts:

[mobyhead]

^^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ablerock]

That would make you like 12 now? :nuts:

As a matter of fact, I skated well into my 20s, thank you very much. :angel:

[Unionstation13]

As a matter of fact, I skated well into my 20s, thank you very much. :angel:

were you the really tall one? :)
Cuz I might have seen you.

[hoosier]

Thats the day I had to tell three kids to fuck off. They offered me cash to have sex and their like what? 10? 0_o

How recent was this? That is pretty brazen of adolsecent children to solicit sex from a stranger. They must have thought you were pretty.:lol:

[Unionstation13]

How recent was this? That is pretty brazen of adolsecent children to solicit sex from a stranger. They must have thought you were pretty.:lol:

It was early last summer.
I have no clue. I was just eaten my healthy meal of a starbucks frappo and a little box of chinese take out with my co-worker Allison, and these two boys on skateboards come up to us(one with radical hair) and go "hey. " then Allison goes "um. hey" then the other one goes "I'll pay you $3 to have sex, you up for it?" and I'm like "get lost." and then they go "I like em' rough" then I told them to fuck off, they left after that.

[Hanshin-Tigress]

It was early last summer.
I have no clue. I was just eaten my healthy meal of a starbucks frappo and a little box of chinese take out with my co-worker Allison, and these two boys on skateboards come up to us(one with radical hair) and go "hey. " then Allison goes "um. hey" then the other one goes "I'll pay you $3 to have sex, you up for it?" and I'm like "get lost." and then they go "I like em' rough" then I told them to fuck off, they left after that.

:rofl:

that's crazy

[Unionstation13]

:rofl:

that's crazy

tell me about it! And their like 10!!!! :nuts:

[mobyhead]

OK ladies we're going off-topic here. :ohno:

[Unionstation13]

^^ true.
Any more crates arrive mobyhead?

[mobyhead]

A truckload was delivered yesterday and again this morning. If they don't start putting it up they'll run out of room on the staging area.

[Unionstation13]

wow this project is going fast! :cheer:

[mobyhead]

Yes, however they still only are using a handful of workers. Maybe 15-20 people at any given time. It's going to start getting cold soon. They certainly earn whatever they are paid! I wouldn't do that type of work for any money in the world. Just like those window washers they are adrenaline junkies.

[hello345]

The reclad wil make this building look more modern and european:banana:

[mobyhead]

They are delivering yet another truckload of glass panels this morning. The 3rd in a week. :dance2:

[mobyhead]

^^ Again another load of windows being delivered today. OK. That will be the last delivery update. :-) Bottom line is they are really moving along. Wish I had my camera with me this morning. The crane was lifting a porta-potty up to the 5th floor terrace. It was quite the sight.

[altfelix]

Do you know who the new facade supplier is?

[mobyhead]

The semis are owner-operated. The one that delivered this morning was from Ohio. I'll try to find out and reply later.

***edit, Jones and Brown out of Addison, IL. http://www.jonesandbrowncompany.com/company_profile.asp

[altfelix]

The semis are owner-operated. The one that delivered this morning was from Ohio. I'll try to find out and reply later.

***edit, Jones and Brown out of Addison, IL. http://www.jonesandbrowncompany.com/company_profile.asp

Thanks, isn't that the same firm responsible for the reclad in the 1990's?

[IndiexInxIndy]

Thanks, isn't that the same firm responsible for the reclad in the 1990's?

I just went to their site & indeed it was the same people! And one thing, is it weird that i liked the orignal facade before the one we have right now? I'm talking about the FIRST one over the SECOND one... Obviously the glass one going up right now will be MUCH better than either of them! :cheers2:

[mobyhead]

The semis are owner-operated. The one that delivered this morning was from Ohio. I'll try to find out and reply later.

***edit, Jones and Brown out of Addison, IL. http://www.jonesandbrowncompany.com/company_profile.asp

Not so fast. I need to clarify. The truck unloading today was out of Cleveland, Ohio. :bash:

[IndiexInxIndy]

I'm CRAVING some updated pictures! Please? :cheers:

[mobyhead]

Erich there really isn't anything to see. They have the scaffolding up to roughly the 25th floor, however no new glass has been installed. From what I understand they (SSI) are working on the inside as well doing some abatement. (asbestos?)

[pig]

There was a blurb in the Star today (that of course I can't find right now) that indicated that we should start to see the new panels going up a lot faster now that testing is complete.

[mobyhead]

There was a blurb in the Star today (that of course I can't find right now) that indicated that we should start to see the new panels going up a lot faster now that testing is complete.

I do know that someone has to come in and inspect each and every weld.

[IndiexInxIndy]

Is it me OR would a massive green roof on the pedestal base of this building work wonders? :cheers:

[IndiexInxIndy]

It wasn't exactly a "green roof" in the literal sense but the 5th floor terrace had several trees, shrubs, bushes, etc before the work started. It's quite possible that it would be worked in later. Seeing how Mauer is involved in 3Mass too and that is a green roof project. I did a Google map of 151 N Delaware street. You can kind of see the planters on the terrace over here when you zoom in....

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=151+N+Delaware+St,+Indianapolis,+Marion,+Indiana+46204,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.587666,59.238281&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=0,39.769320,-86.154354&t=k&om=1&ll=39.770222,-86.15537&spn=0.001025,0.001808&z=19&iwloc=addr

I'm also speaking of the massive roof due to the east of that. All that concrete sure could use some greenery! Also, are there any updates if the JWub will infact have a green roof too? :cheers2:

[mobyhead]

I'm also speaking of the massive roof due to the east of that. All that concrete sure could use some greenery! Also, are there any updates if the JWub will infact have a green roof too? :cheers2:

That would be a great idea. They have had problems in the past with that tar/gravel roof leaking over the 5th floor conference center. You oughta e-mail Todd.... maurer@halakar.com

[IndiexInxIndy]

That would be a great idea. They have had problems in the past with that tar/gravel roof leaking over the 5th floor conference center. You oughta e-mail Todd.... maurer@halakar.com

So you seriously think that this may work? :)

[mobyhead]

From Building Management....

Work Update

We are now several months into the new curtain wall project and the work is progressing on schedule in the first phase or “Sequence A”. This area is the first two vertical window sections on the North and South sides of the building. The installation of supports and mounting tubes in these two areas is scheduled to be completed from top to bottom by the end of the month. In the next few days additional scaffolding will be erected in the next two vertical window sections moving counterclockwise on both sides of the building or “Sequence B”. Work will start in “Sequence B” immediately after “Sequence A” is complete. Also at that time, the installation of new curtain wall panels will start in “Sequence A”.

To clarify what some of you have experienced and what all of you at some time during the project may experience, the following is a description of the work currently being performed:

The exterior metal column panels are removed. The only way to remove the panels is to cut them off with a power saw. Unfortunately, this process is very noisy. As the work is on your floor or immediately above or below your floor, the noise is very prominent. After the panels are removed, at every column on every floor, supports are welded to the vertical steel column that is exposed when the exterior panels are removed. The area around the column is insulated but not completely sealed due to HVAC pipes running along the columns. Before welding, additional insulation is stuffed into the opening and a welding shield is put in place. As the welding is being done a “smoke eater” is held next to the welding torch in an effort to contain the smoke from the welding. Unfortunately, even with all this precautionary work, at times, some welding smoke does get into the column and into the building. If at any time you smell or experience smoke in your immediate area or suite, please call the management office. We will notify the workers, the work will be stopped and additional efforts will be made to contain the smoke before work continues.

[mobyhead]

Absolutely nothing new to report. My son will be potty-trained and speaking in complete sentences by the time this job is finished.

[ablerock]

From Building Management....

Work Update

We are now several months into the new curtain wall project and the work is progressing on schedule in the first phase or “Sequence A”. This area is the first two vertical window sections on the North and South sides of the building. The installation of supports and mounting tubes in these two areas is scheduled to be completed from top to bottom by the end of the month. In the next few days additional scaffolding will be erected in the next two vertical window sections moving counterclockwise on both sides of the building or “Sequence B”. Work will start in “Sequence B” immediately after “Sequence A” is complete. Also at that time, the installation of new curtain wall panels will start in “Sequence A”.

Interesting. Thanks for the post.

[hoosier]

Absolutely nothing new to report. My son will be potty-trained and speaking in complete sentences by the time this job is finished.

This sucks.

[mobyhead]

They are up to the tippy top on the northeast corner of the building. Yet another truckload of glass was delivered this morning. I hear they are about 4weeks behind schedule.

[cityfan]

I don't think I've ever seen a slower progressing project. (Besides MSA redevelopment of course)

[IndyYeah]

I don't think I've ever seen a slower progressing project. (Besides MSA redevelopment of course)

I was there yestereday, and was shocked at the lack of progress. I guess that it is a complicated process, from what I am gathering. I think that my past observations on the bottom 4 floors and roof area will seem even more real than I thought. Wow, what a clash it will be. I spent alot of time looking around that building, however the top 32 floors will look so nice.

[mobyhead]

On the Northeast corner they have taken off the white border along the roof line. You can clearly make out the word Indiana, from when Indiana National Bank adorned the top. Interesting to say the least.

[IndyYeah]

On the Northeast corner they have taken off the white border along the roof line. You can clearly make out the word Indiana, from when Indiana National Bank adorned the top. Interesting to say the least.

Wish the lower border was taken off as well. My children and I walked by the Mass area which is my kind of area, and my beloved 3 Mass looks ready to get some things started. Indiana Plaza will at least look great the upper 32 floors. Much better than the past 36 years.

[mobyhead]

Courtesy of IBJ's Property Lines....

http://blog.ibj.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/inb0001.JPG

[mobyhead]

Building another motorized scaffold on the North side. Starting to install more glass as of yesterday (northeast corner).

[SpiderMonkey]

They hung 5 new pains of glass today on the northeast corner. 3 Mass is coming along nicely too. They have a big smooth dirth bottom hole now.

[Jim856796]

The light blue curtain wall is being installed oner the existing black-coloured facade. Is that because of the 2006 facade damage and the light blue glass panel that was put on one side? The building was last reclad in the mid-1990s. Wouldn't renovations like that require removal of the old facade?

[ablerock]

The light blue curtain wall is being installed oner the existing black-coloured facade. Is that because of the 2006 facade damage and the light blue glass panel that was put on one side? The building was last reclad in the mid-1990s. Wouldn't renovations like that require removal of the old facade?

The old facade will be removed once the new facade is in place. I have no idea how, but that's the plan. The building is actually gaining a tiny bit of floor space.

I'm sure Mobyhead will take some pictures for us once that begins.

[mobyhead]

The old facade will be removed once the new facade is in place. I have no idea how, but that's the plan. The building is actually gaining a tiny bit of floor space.

I'm sure Mobyhead will take some pictures for us once that begins.

Yeppers. They are removing the old from the inside. Yes it will add a bit to the floor space. Therefor the need to extend the existing sprinkler pipes. I will take photos once more substantial progress is noticed.

[mobyhead]

Rode an elevator with one of the workers with Wilhelm Construction. He mentioned that they will start moving at a faster clip when the "other" tower gets finished and they have a larger crew to work with. As of this afternoon they were installing glass on the 12th floor, Northeast. Also another semi delivered panels this morning. The crates were marked 27,28,and 29th floors.

[araman0]

I would love to see some recent pictures of the building, if anyone has them. Don't get to go to Indy anymore now that I'm in Wisconsin.

I think this project will do wonders for giving downtown a more modern look overall.

[cwilson758]

the north facade is really coming along. You can definitely tell that there are changes being made and they look great! This tower with the new JW Marriott is really going to add some much needed "life" to the City's skyline!

[mobyhead]

I would love to see some recent pictures of the building, if anyone has them. Don't get to go to Indy anymore now that I'm in Wisconsin.

I think this project will do wonders for giving downtown a more modern look overall.

We close at Noon next Monday. I'll bring my camera.

[SpiderMonkey]

They are finally making progress. Looks they have ten floors down on the NE corner. They are going at about a floor and half a day pace it seems. Of course today, I haven't seen anything going on because of the rain. They are also making progress on removing the old and placing support beams accross on the next section.

Still not quite enough to visualize how it will look finished, but at least there are some very visible changes now.

[IndyIndependent]

Pictures? Please.

[IndyYeah]

They are finally making progress. Looks they have ten floors down on the NE corner. They are going at about a floor and half a day pace it seems. Of course today, I haven't seen anything going on because of the rain. They are also making progress on removing the old and placing support beams accross on the next section.

Still not quite enough to visualize how it will look finished, but at least there are some very visible changes now.

That is quite abit compared to progress a couple months ago. Do you think that there are more workers now like someone said was going to happen. Moby? Also, If that lower part does not get done, I wonder if a cheaper paint- cleanup-whatever, will be done to somehow blend the lower quarter with the upper 32 floors.

[ablerock]

Pictures? Please.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2159235256_4b4076dbf8.jpg?v=1199300456

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2247/2158437021_faefb99d72.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2259/2159238270_b317dc35c3.jpg?v=0

[mobyhead]

^ Thanks Ablerock. They let the workers go home early today. Too cold.

[ablerock]

^ Thanks Ablerock. They let the workers go home early today. Too cold.

No prob, I grabbed those on my lunch break today.

I was hoping to get a bit closer and more angles, but it was freezing! We'll have to save that for another day. :-)

[IndyIndependent]

Great pics bro... Thanks! And yea, is it me or does the glass scheme look awfully familiar to the Market Tower?

I like it!

[ablerock]

Flip the image below (south side) to envision the glass pattern for the pictures I took yesterday (northside).

http://chicago.ibj.com/repository/ibj/2007/04/02/1/Img/Pc0010400.jpg

[cityfan]

Why are they recladding it in strips, rather than doing all four sides of the building simultaneously as they work their way up?

[IndyIndependent]

A few months ago i posted under a different name & alias but brought up an interesting point... Wouldn't it make perfect sense for Mauer or whatever his name is to build a green roof upon the top of the parking structure east of the main tower? I mean this really seems like a perfect oppurtunity for him to do so. Not only will it give him some more positives press but it'll also bring to light his 3 Mass Ave. project which is also having a green roof!

Shall we e-mail and/or write to him?

[mobyhead]

Last week when it got really cold we were having birds get into the building. They think they were getting through where the openings were at after a weld for new supports.

[mobyhead]

If you squint you can see them on the NE corner of the building. :-)
http://www.theindychannel.com/wxcam/1718858/detail.html

[MilwaukeeMark]

^^ That webcam is pretty badass.

[ablerock]

So whaddaya say, Mobyhead... think they're just about at the halfway point of the first section? Looks like it to me, give or take a row.

[mobyhead]

So whaddaya say, Mobyhead... think they're just about at the halfway point of the first section? Looks like it to me, give or take a row.

They are hauling ass now. Seems to be a lot more workers on site now as well. They still have much to do on the inside of the building now to remove the old curtain wall. My understanding is that they do that at night. Also SSI has been working like crazy to remove the asbestos.

[mobyhead]

They are up to the 26th floor NE and 8th floor SW with the new glass this afternoon. Also found out today that they have a March deadline to get the North and South facades completed. Then they will sit down with city officals concerning the Penn Street side. They'll have to close some lanes. The crane has quite the swing when lifting materials up to the 5th floor terrace.

[CorrND]

They are up to the 26th floor NE and 8th floor SW with the new glass this afternoon. Also found out today that they have a March deadline to get the North and South facades completed. Then they will sit down with city officals concerning the Penn Street side. They'll have to close some lanes. The crane has quite the swing when lifting materials up to the 5th floor terrace.
A March deadline? Is that realistic?

[mobyhead]

A March deadline? Is that realistic?
When the workers clocked out yesterday there were dozens who left. When they first started last summer there was a crew of maybe 10 or 12. They have installed 6 floors of windows today alone on the NE corner. I think a lot of what will come into play time-wise is removing the old curtain wall from the inside.

[ablerock]

I just noticed on my lunch break today that they've installed a few panes on the north facade. Did that start today Mobyhead? Also, it seems that there is a film on some of the north side panes. They looked black. Perhaps just a protective cover I haven't had the privilege of seeing before? Can't wait to see this whole baby redone.

[mobyhead]

I just noticed on my lunch break today that they've installed a few panes on the north facade. Did that start today Mobyhead? Also, it seems that there is a film on some of the north side panes. They looked black. Perhaps just a protective cover I haven't had the privilege of seeing before? Can't wait to see this whole baby redone.

I don't know. Maybe it's on there for transport from wherever they put it together. One of the guards told me last week the crane was hoisting up a panel. When it got to about the 4th floor a gust of wind caused the panel to start spinning. They brough it back down to the ground and quit for the day. They won't work when the wind is a certain speed or higher. You can only imagine how windy it can be 300 feet off the ground. Right now I think weather might be the only thing that will impact the progress.

[SpiderMonkey]

Here are some pics I took while walking past One Indiana Square on Friday. I hadn't noticed before the black (darker) glass on the edge of the northeast corner of the new glass curtain wall. It is very thin on the northeast corner, however if you notice in the pics of the south side it is a much wider strip. Hope you enjoy.

P.S. Notice anything different about the First Indiana Bank Building at 135 N. Pennsylvania?

Northeastside side.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180001.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180002.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180004.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180007.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180008.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180009.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180010.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180012.jpg


These next couple of shots are of the southside.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180013.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1180014.jpg

[mobyhead]

^^^Thanks Man!

[Wu-Gambino]

Nice pics, looks like it is coming along quite nicely!

[ablerock]

Ha! You beat me to it Mr. SpiderMonkey! I also grabbed a shot at lunch today to show the new black glass:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2383/2210028960_a3432e73c8_b.jpg

[SpiderMonkey]

In the renderings, it never really looked black, just a shade or two darker in the blue. I think it will be an interesting contrast. I'm looking forward to seeing the southside make some progress to get a better idea of how it will look.

[benjaminooo]

wow, this is going to be a huge improvement.

[ablerock]

In the renderings, it never really looked black, just a shade or two darker in the blue. I think it will be an interesting contrast.

And depending on time of day and viewing angle, the light blue glass can look almost white. You can really get a sense for this on 65 near the 65/70 split on the near-northside, right above Meridian St. It will be a striking addition to the skyline and really lighten her up. The rest of our buildings can be so dreary-looking at times.

[IndyYeah]

Looks like the sign for 1st Indiana is off

[IndyYeah]

Looks like the sign for 1st Indiana is off

It is M@I Bank now.

[SpiderMonkey]

Looks like the sign for 1st Indiana is off

Yeah, I was suprised when I looked out the window last week and something just didn't look right. It took me a minute to figure out what it was.

[mobyhead]

And depending on time of day and viewing angle, the light blue glass can look almost white. You can really get a sense for this on 65 near the 65/70 split on the near-northside, right above Meridian St. It will be a striking addition to the skyline and really lighten her up. The rest of our buildings can be so dreary-looking at times.

From my understanding that was the intent. As the sun angles change the look is supposed to change. Something to that effect.

[mobyhead]

I was wondering how the workers can bear this cold while up on the scaffolds. Turns out they have space heaters with them something like this...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/312m2YrTfPL._AA280_.jpg

[MilwaukeeMark]

It is M@I Bank now.

I think you mean M&I. :)

Looks great, btw. Can't wait to see the finished deal.

[IndyYeah]

I think you mean M&I. :)

Looks great, btw. Can't wait to see the finished deal.

Yeah, I am at the library, and they were closing, so my tired garbageman self looked and said this looks good,@.:nuts:

[Jim856796]

Please answer this: If One Indiana Square is getting a reclad, why is the new light blue facade being plastered onto the old one instead of the old facade being removed to make way for the new one?

[mobyhead]

Please answer this: If One Indiana Square is getting a reclad, why is the new light blue facade being plastered onto the old one instead of the old facade being removed to make way for the new one?
There is a team of workers that are going to remove the old from the inside. That work will take place at night to not impact the tenants as much.

[mobyhead]

new damage pics on page one

[billionbucks]

new damage pics on page one

thanks for posting

[mobyhead]

Spoke with the job foreman this afternoon. He said they would not be shooting the fireworks off the roof this 4th of July. I mentioned how slow those scaffolds move. He said they were surprisingly fast at 24 feet a minute. They will start working on Saturdays again when the weather warms up. Also he has anenometers on each lift that report into his office. Whenever the winds are sustained at 20 mph or more he calls the workers down.

[mobyhead]

Story page has a video link...

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7889001

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) - The look of downtown Indianapolis is changing. That's because the city's third tallest building is getting a face lift.

Looking south along Meridian Street you can see the old and the new. Huge glass panels stretch skyward on the north facade of the Regions Bank building. The plan is to wrap the new glass around the entire building.

While this winter's cold temperatures haven't slowed progress, the recent high winds have.

"We've only lost a couple of days. They can move from one side of the building to another depending on wind direction. That's why it's nice to be working on both sides," said building manager, Dick Hardin.

The reason for the facelift is more practical than cosmetic. A windstorm in April of 2006 heavily damaged the building. Windows on one corner of the building were blown out. Entire offices were exposed to the elements.

The powerful straight line winds even twisted metal beams.

Engineers later patched up the damaged corner with a metal curtain. That was the temporary fix. The new window facade is the permanent fix.

While crews work on the outside, the building's tenants continue their work on the inside.

"Our main concern is not interrupting out tenants. So we are very concerned about how we proceed with our construction to make sure people are able to conduct their business," said Todd Maurer of Halakar Properties.

Once done, the building's owner says the new look will enhance the city's skyline.

"We're going to have a gorgeous building that will stand the test of time. We think it will be the most beautiful building in downtown Indianapolis," said Maurer.

Once the new windows are up, crews will head inside and begin pulling out the old windows. All the windows should be up by May of 2009 and the project finished by the end of 2009.

By Jay Hermacinski
WISH-TV

[ablerock]

...said building manager, Dick Hardin.


:eek:

[mobyhead]

:eek:

You couldn't meet a nicer guy. Why not go by Richard at least???

[ablerock]

You couldn't meet a nicer guy. Why not go by Richard at least???

...and as building manager, I'm sure he makes way more $ than I do.

How old is he? It seems like all the blokes with unfortunate names are over 50, at least.

I would probably choke if the guy ever introduced himself to me. ;)

[mobyhead]

...and as building manager, I'm sure he makes way more $ than I do.

How old is he? It seems like all the blokes with unfortunate names are over 50, at least.

I would probably choke if the guy ever introduced himself to me. ;)

Not sure how old he is. He used to work for Indiana National Bank too. My understanding is that he will retire when the building gets finished. That weekend that the storm hit he was preparing to fly out of Indy for a spring break vacation. Then the damage, etc. He never could get a refund on his tickets.

[ablerock]

Not sure how old he is. He used to work for Indiana National Bank too. My understanding is that he will retire when the building gets finished. That weekend that the storm hit he was preparing to fly out of Indy for a spring break vacation. Then the damage, etc. He never could get a refund on his tickets.

That sucks.

I'll hop us back on topic! :)

Um, looks like they've got about five rows to go on the north facade. I also just realized I'll have some nice views of the east facade out of an office window once they get started on that side.

[moochie]

Spoke with the job foreman this afternoon. He said they would not be shooting the fireworks off the roof this 4th of July. I mentioned how slow those scaffolds move. He said they were surprisingly fast at 24 feet a minute. They will start working on Saturdays again when the weather warms up. Also he has anenometers on each lift that report into his office. Whenever the winds are sustained at 20 mph or more he calls the workers down.

Any idea where the fireworks will be this year?

[CorrND]

They are up to the 26th floor NE and 8th floor SW with the new glass this afternoon. Also found out today that they have a March deadline to get the North and South facades completed. Then they will sit down with city officals concerning the Penn Street side. They'll have to close some lanes. The crane has quite the swing when lifting materials up to the 5th floor terrace.
Are they still on schedule for the March deadline?

[mobyhead]

Are they still on schedule for the March deadline?

I got that initial info from the security site supervisor. There is no way they can finish that section by then. As for the fireworks I need to find that out. As I am the bank switchboard operator I need to know for all the calls I will soon recieve. I am told that in 92 or 93 when they removed Indiana National Bank off the top they did the fireworks off the top of a parking garage on Illinois Street.

Moochie, where you been?

[ablerock]

Photo I took Saturday afternoon:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2121/2311927609_a83d9c9006_b.jpg

[unvrsty07]

oh wow! Now that looks very sharp! I have said it time and time again, this tower is going to drastically modernize our skyline...

[ablerock]

Here's another one:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/2313534616_aed918ebd7_b.jpg

[jkramb]

Will they put glass over the top where the Indiana sign used to be?

[ablerock]

Will they put glass over the top where the Indiana sign used to be?

Yup.

The photograph below illustrates what it will look like. It's a picture of a print, so disregard the colors, they're way off. In all actuality, the glass is a cold steel blue that changes colors depending on one's sight angle. At some angles, it looks practically white, at others, deep blue. The accent strip is practically black.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t206/ablerock/OneIndiana06.jpg

[Unionstation13]

its going to look so sleek and new! I can't wait! :cheer:

[mobyhead]

its going to look so sleek and new! I can't wait! :cheer:
Neither can I. :)

[billionbucks]

i like the quality of those pics

[Sunday_Bloody_Sundae]

I think this reclad and the gold building will compliment each other very well. Those two buildings being that close together will make that side of downtown look very crisp, clean, and shiney.

[Unionstation13]

they should reclad the CCB with something crip but more modern like this.

[moochie]

they should reclad the CCB with something crip but more modern like this.

Naw, that would destroy Indy's only good example of "International style" design. The only thing wrong with the CCB is that it doesn't mix with it's surroundings. A couple more well placed postmodern high rises, and the CCB will shine.

But let's not have this discussion again...

[IndyYeah]

they should reclad the CCB with something crip but more modern like this.

They will not want to spend the money.

[Indianakid]

It looks shiny!!!! :D
What's the CCB? -_-

[IndyYeah]

It looks shiny!!!! :D
What's the CCB? -_-

The City County Building.

[Indianakid]

Oh. Isn't that next to the Market Place?
It's got dark glass. I think it looks cool. Like something out of Resident Evil 2! X]
I was looking at it through the windows when we were eating at the Market Place.

[Unionstation13]

Naw, that would destroy Indy's only good example of "International style" design. The only thing wrong with the CCB is that it doesn't mix with it's surroundings. A couple more well placed postmodern high rises, and the CCB will shine.

But let's not have this discussion again...

That's true. If the Kosene design is chosen for the market square arena it would mix well with the CCB. I love how the market clashes with its sort of German 19th century and the 1960's buildings around it.

[mobyhead]

I'm glad the myth is broken (just in case people still believe it). As we saw from Atlanta this past Saturday. Dowtowns are not immune from a tornado or damaging straight line winds.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/weather/03/17/atlanta.tornado/art.atl.tornado.jpg

[MilwaukeeMark]

I drove through Indianapolis a couple days ago and saw the re-clad in action. Looks fantastic... HUGE improvement, that's for sure.

[Babbage08]

I'm glad the myth is broken (just in case people still believe it). As we saw from Atlanta this past Saturday. Dowtowns are not immune from a tornado or damaging straight line winds.

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/US/weather/03/17/atlanta.tornado/art.atl.tornado.jpg

Do you guys remember the Nashville tornado of 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_tornado_outbreak_of_1998)? Also, the 2000 tornado in Fort Worth also was pretty bad. I'd hate to see a downtown area hit by an F5 tornado. Due to the rarity of these powerful tornadoes, and the rather small geographic areas of American downtowns though, this is unlikely.

Fort Worth:
http://www.esri.com/news/arcnews/spring01articles/spring01gifs/p20p2.jpg

http://www.cse.polyu.edu.hk/rcuhm/graphic/cl1.jpg

[Jim856796]

Should the CNN Centre and Omni Hotel extension get an exterior renovation?

[hoosier]

Should the CNN Centre and Omni Hotel extension get an exterior renovation?

The only damage appears to be broken glass, so I would say no, but that decision is up to the owners of the buildings.

One Indiana Square was much more heavily damaged than the CNN Centre or Omni Hotel.

[mobyhead]

I don’t think this has been reported by the media. At 9:07 this morning an ambulance was called to Indiana Square. A worker fell off a scaffold from about the 7th floor down to the 5th floor terrace. Roughly 25 feet. He was conscious when he was loaded onto the ambulance. Work pretty much ended for the day after that. Building management and Todd Mauer were there when they all drove off. Now I’m no safety expert but I’m sure an agency like OSHA will be on site soon to investigate. What’s really good is that these guys are at the very top of the building right now. So falling from floor 7 isn’t that bad if you can describe it that way. It could have been worse. People have died from falling off their house roof.

[Unionstation13]

Wow that must have been scary, at least it wasn't like the 20th floor or something. The fact that hes alive is good. Hopefully they can fix this all up so work can continue. Was this due to poor safety measurments? Or was it due to the victim's actions?

[mobyhead]

Right now I don't know. It's scarey though.

[arenn]

Not sure what they are doing, but I see workers out there this morning. Perhaps construction resumes?

[SpiderMonkey]

Yep, looks like they are working as normal today.

[mobyhead]

More renderings here....
http://www.gensler.com/#projects/158

[jkramb]

i like the building, but what is with the side where it doesn't match. It looks like someone attached a couple of offices to the side of the building.

[SpiderMonkey]

Sorry for the poor quality of some of them. Digital Zoom used through a dirty window sometimes doesn't wrok really well. Not a whole lot has been going on the past few weeks, but they have finally got the support and framing up to the top of the North East side and have started making progress on the supports on the next section over.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/New%20Images/P1010033.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/New%20Images/P1010039.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/New%20Images/P1010035.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/New%20Images/P1010036.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/New%20Images/P1010037.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/New%20Images/P1010038.jpg

[mobyhead]

I like how you show they are "raising the roof". :)

[cwilson758]

I still can't wait to see what this will look like at night. The LCD at the top shoulkd be very cool looking.

[mobyhead]

I'm thinking the same thing Cory. It will be slick.

I spoke with our media guy for the fireworks last week. He said it is still a go for them to be shot off the roof July 4th. 7/4/08 @9:47pm (WFBQ 94.7 FM is a sponsor).

[jkramb]

I still can't wait to see what this will look like at night. The LCD at the top shoulkd be very cool looking.

LCD at the top?

[speedblue47]

i have to second that question. Are the panels on the north and south facades at the top both LCDs? Otherwise I don't see where one could be.

[mobyhead]

if you remeber the way the top used to be. There was a blue light that lined the roof. Now in it's wake the top will be crowned with LED lighting. There is a building in Minneapolis that has this I remeber a member at SSP mentioning this). The sides of the roof are being raised to accomodate this.

[mobyhead]

Tower dispute erupts
One Indiana Square owner sues insurer over storm-damage repairs
Sat. April 12 - 2008

Cory Schouten - cschouten@ibj.com
IBJ staff

The owners of a downtown skyscraper badly damaged in a 2006 storm are suing their insurance company after it halted payments on a façade-replacement project.

The suit, filed April 1, accuses the insurance company of a “bad faith” attempt to avoid paying for repairs to the 36-story One Indiana Square building at the northeast corner of Pennsylvania and Ohio streets.

The building owner, One Indiana Square Associates LLC, is facing off with locally based Federal Insurance Co., which is part of Chubb Group of Warren, N.J. The insurance policy was sold by locally based Gregory & Appel Inc., and included quarterly premium payments of roughly $36,000 and “replacement cost” coverage up to $120 million.

The lawsuit does not provide a price estimate for the repairs, but an outside expert says the cost likely will exceed $30 million.

Large property claims often end up in litigation that is later settled outside of court, said Joe Belth, professor emeritus of insurance at Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business and editor of The Insurance Forum, a monthly newsletter.

“These are complex insurance contracts,” Belth said. “There’s plenty of room for dispute.”

One of Belth’s recent newsletters included an article co-written by Richard E. Stewart, a former superintendent of insurance in New York and former chief financial officer of Chubb Group, the defendant in the One Indiana Square lawsuit.

Stewart’s article says insurers have developed a habit of delaying claims and resisting payment—moves that disrupt the sense of confidence buyers of property liability insurance used to have in their policies.

“From an insurer’s point of view, denying coverage for large claims has become an effective, perhaps even necessary, competitive strategy,” Stewart wrote. “From a policy-holder’s point of view, the cost of collection has gone way up and reliability has gone way down.”

A settlement is likely in the One Indiana Square case since both parties are “reasonable,” said Charlie Vaught, a claims advocate with Gregory & Appel Inc. who has been working to resolve the dispute.

“There’s plenty of coverage and it’s the appropriate coverage,” Vaught said of the policy his firm sold to the building owners. “The dispute over what’s covered is between the owners and the carrier.”

Todd Maurer, president of Indianapolis-based Halakar Real Estate, which manages the tower, declined to comment on the litigation. Chubb had not filed a response to the lawsuit and a spokesman did not return a phone message by IBJ’s deadline.

Maurer and his father, Michael S. Maurer, co-own the tower with local businessman Robert Schloss and Pittsburgh-based McKnight Group. Michael Maurer and Schloss also own IBJ Media, publisher of IBJ.

The lawsuit shows a dispute over the insurance claim began before the owners launched the renovation project last summer, after an April 2, 2006, storm blew out dozens of windows and forced the city to close nearby streets to protect motorists from falling debris. No one was injured, but the storm displaced more than 1,000 employees working in the building.

Two engineering firms, Cincinnati-based Façade Forensics and New York-based Thornton Tomasetti, recommended in a May 2006 report that “overcladding”— replacing the building’s damaged façade with a new glass-covered curtain wall — was the best and safest option for repair. The suit claims that at the time, Chubb had no objection to the plan.

But over the following months, the insurance company took a variety of new positions. The suit alleges that Chubb adjuster Steve Mortensen claimed at one point that “overcladding” wasn’t covered by the policy. A few months later he came back with an “outrageously low” repair estimate, then a few months later claimed Chubb had the option to do the repairs itself.

In January 2007, Chubb put forward a new plan by engineer Jim Weithorn—a consultant the insurance industry “had been using to avoid paying claims submitted by victims of Hurricane Katrina” by claiming the hurricane itself didn’t cause the damage, the lawsuit says.

The state’s building commissioner determined that Weithorn’s plan—which called for retrofitting non-matching pieces of wall—would be in violation of the building code.

Despite the lawsuit, work continues on the skyscraper’s new façade. Completion of the project is expected in about a year. •
http://chicago.ibj.com/repository/ibj/2008/04/14/1/Img/Pc0010600.jpg

[jkramb]

if you remeber the way the top used to be. There was a blue light that lined the roof. Now in it's wake the top will be crowned with LED lighting. There is a building in Minneapolis that has this I remeber a member at SSP mentioning this). The sides of the roof are being raised to accomodate this.

oh, LED. that is a lot different than LCD. I thought maybe they were gonna put some kind of screen on the top of the building...

[speedblue47]

Me too, but saying LED makes a whole lot more sense.

[mobyhead]

Out on a break this afternoon. Saw several pallets of glass pains in the work zone. Perhaps 8 by 2 feet? They were colored a deep blue. I suspect these are going along the roof line?

[SpiderMonkey]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010012-2.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010013-1.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010017-1.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010016-1.jpg

[cwilson758]

This reclad is going to make such an impact. I was downtown this past weekend and this will look like Indy got a brand new tower!

[Jim856796]

I hope the new facade doesn't get damaged in a major storm or tornado.

[IndyYeah]

Is the top going to be raised a couple feet above the roof? The photo looks like it, and so did the sketches.

[SpiderMonkey]

Yeah, it is raised higher. They have been doing alot of work to the Northside roof line the past few days. I will take a few pics and post up this afternoon.

[MilwaukeeMark]

When is this supposed to be finished? It seems to be taking quite a long time.

[arenn]

Mark, there is currently a legal dispute with the insurance carrier - this is likely holding up construction.

[SpiderMonkey]

They have been maintaining a pretty constant pace the past 2-3 months when the weather has allowed. They just don't have the slave labor pool that they have cladding the Burj Dubai.

They are pretty much complete with the first section on the northside and have installed 4 floors so far on the second section. They are still taking off material from the 3rd section and installing support beams. They seem to install 1 floor per day in a section. Not fast, but consistent.

[SpiderMonkey]

Photos taken from my parking space off of Mass Ave behind the Marrott building.

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010021.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010020.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010015-2.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010019.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010018-1.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010017-2.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/Spidermonkey317/P1010016-2.jpg

[speedblue47]

Is it bad of me to say that I hope the next wind storms hits First Indiana and Chase Tower?

[ablerock]

Is it bad of me to say that I hope the next wind storms hits First Indiana and Chase Tower?

Not at all. I'll second that.

When we had the earthquakes a couple of weeks ago, I hoped the Villagio would fall down.

[mobyhead]

Is it bad of me to say that I hope the next wind storms hits First Indiana and Chase Tower?

Ironically it was those two buildings which caused an increase of wind during that 2005 storm which tore up my building. As for the pace? They have about 2 dozen workers going at it on both sides. I would rather they go slow and do it right. Keep in mind each weld has to be inspected before they can proceed to the next level. I like how the top has those blue fins. It's gonna be sharp when it's done.

[cwilson758]

I can't wait to see what the new lighting scheme looks like. I hope they have multi-colors on that LED sign and not just "blue." The ligting should make for a much more dominant tower.

[ablerock]

I like how the top has those blue fins. It's gonna be sharp when it's done.

Yup. It's looking even better than the renderings. I love how it looks driving down Mass. Ave. It really improves the skyline.

When you stand at the intersection of Vermont, Alambama, and Mass, where the Cultural trail hits, it's awesome. You see the beautiful new trail, brand new pavement, landscaping, bright shiny new tower, hot girls getting Starbucks or drinking at the Old Point, Omalia's getting cleaned up, 3 Mass going up in the distance, the little pocket park, lots of public art, etc. I love that part of the city!

[IndyYeah]

I just wish something, just something would be done with the lower portion. Oh well, I do like the upper part that is being redone, cannot have it all.

[CorrND]

The small completed portion of the roofline was lit up tonight. It's interesting, but I'll reserve final judgement until I see the completed product.

[cwilson758]

oooh...gonna have to check that out!

[mobyhead]

Work halted June 6th due to worker's strike.

[Sunday_Bloody_Sundae]

Not at all. I'll second that.

When we had the earthquakes a couple of weeks ago, I hoped the Villagio would fall down.

That's horrible, and would've hurt a lot of people. Villagio isn't that horrible and I don't know why everyone thinks so. Even though it disrespects the southeast side, it is a lot better than the run-down homes that were there before, plus it adds height in an area that wouldn't have had height otherwise. Maybe it will spark more development in that area in the near future.

[IndyYeah]

That's horrible, and would've hurt a lot of people. Villagio isn't that horrible and I don't know why everyone thinks so. Even though it disrespects the southeast side, it is a lot better than the run-down homes that were there before, plus it adds height in an area that wouldn't have had height otherwise. Maybe it will spark more development in that area in the near future.

Believe it or not, I am sure that he was not referring to people getting hurt. I am sure he was being sarcastic, because the non likes of the building. The building has alot of cheap measures about it. They took a good concept and took the easy road on it. I am also sure that if we took just about every post on here, we could find something to slam someone about. Why This and that, Why would you talk about that building or the canal, or that area that way???:ohno:

[ablerock]

That's horrible, and would've hurt a lot of people. Villagio isn't that horrible and I don't know why everyone thinks so. Even though it disrespects the southeast side, it is a lot better than the run-down homes that were there before, plus it adds height in an area that wouldn't have had height otherwise. Maybe it will spark more development in that area in the near future.

Dude, I was kidding. :bash: (or was I?) :nuts:

And I happen to live in one of those "run-down homes" ...so watch your mouth! ;)

The Cultural Trail will spark new development in that area. The Villagio, aka The Fellatio, because it sucks so bad, will always be a dent in Fountain Square's future crown.

The Villagio sucks for so many reasons. It's fun to list new ones!

1. It's a square peg in a triangular hole
2. Completely one-sided, one-direction design
3. The parking garage is about as tacked-on and incongruous as it gets
4. They went to the trouble of building a parking garage, but still felt the need to put a strip-mall style parking lot in front of the building (see reason no.1)
5. Complete disregard for the mixed-use potential/history along Virginia Avenue.
6. The south facade is the worst looking facade I have ever seen in my life, no exaggeration. It's a big beige square with 16 or so itty-bitty little windows in the middle. I have to look at it every day. It sucks. Trust me.
7. Brick that got tired half-way up and called his little brother Beige Drivet to finish the job.
8. No setbacks, no consideration for the buildings behind The Villagio, just a big beige box with balconies on the front
9. It's constructed out of the most generic, cheap-looking Home Depot sale materials ever. Look at it up close, you've seen those railings before. Davis Homes used to order it by the ton for their subdivisions. I'm not even going to start on the big black metal tubes that hold all the balconies up.
10. Did I mention the parking garage? It's FUGLY! Planting a couple of trees in front of a big concrete box isn't fooling anyone!

Anyone care to add to the list? I gotta go. :)