KIRKBY | New Everton FC Stadium | 50,000+ | Proposed [Archive]

Schmeek

July 21st, 2007, 09:35 PM

Best league in the world for fans of the big franchises!

Give it 10 years and every other fan will be pissed off that the top 4 are in stasis and nobody else gets a look in. Everton may get a new ground, but they'll never be able to spend 70mill in a close season like your mob

Perhaps a dip to mid 80s attendances won't happen, but I could see a time when early 90s attendances are repeated, in which case Man U would have 40,000 spare seats most weeks, Everton a good 15-20,000, Man City 20,000 and so on.

You know it COULD happen (although I doubt the top 4 would be affected, they'd probably welcome it)

I think there's no doubt the premiership will suffer a drop in fashion at some time, and the money will dissapear to some other european league. It's swings and roundabouts, the only questions are when and on what scale. I personally hope this happens soon, so that we can boot all the prawn sandwich brigade/corruption/agents/sky sports/disloyalty(in no particular order)out of the game. And also so I can buy a ticket to watch top flight football without the customary internet scramble and at half the price.

It might be a hard pill to swallow for some, but I'd prefer the old Division 1 anyday compared with the glitzy showbiz circus that is the Prem. Ok you have a feast of world class performers from all nationalities(like the one on my avatar:)), but sometimes I wish my hero was a homegrown legend with 500apps for his club, who would not entertain the idea of jumping ship just because we were in the relegation zone. We need more Stevie G's is what I'm trying to say.

I think those who believe we are riding a never ending fairground ride will have a cold wet slap in the face one day, just like the Italians did a decade or so ago(and still are to a degree). Vast empty stadiums, tickets costing 5euros, etc.

Anyway, sorry:bash: back to Everton. I think it looks fairly smart from the inside. Large, and with the corner screens, quite cosy as well.

LDN_EUROPE

July 21st, 2007, 10:05 PM

Nothing wrong with glitz.

Schmeek

July 21st, 2007, 10:23 PM

No nothing, that is, apart from pretty much everything.

Cabman

July 22nd, 2007, 11:56 AM

A good practical design with half an eye on the future. It looks like Everton are taking the sensible route except for the bit about Kirkby.

Mo Rush

July 22nd, 2007, 03:49 PM

its nice..looks like something id design

eyeam

July 26th, 2007, 09:21 PM

With four times the amount of corporate boxes, and 4000 less obstructed views. Plus, it won't cost Everton a penny and is easily expandable into the corners. Everton won't accrue stupid amounts of debt like certain other clubs.

The renders look much better quality in the Echo though...

It's not free at all.

PLEASE read up on the fine details of this move instead of believing the catchy headline in the Echo :ohno:

Anyway, regardless of the politics and finances I personally think it's a bad design. The wide open corners are a terrible design that will sap the atmosphere. It looks like West Brom's ground from inside. Just not good enough.

Scarecrow

July 26th, 2007, 09:50 PM

I don't read the Echo, yeh patronising git. Maybe I was exaggerating slightly with the 'free' bit, but it is certainly more viable than anything else on the table. Tesco are purchasing the land etc, Everton will have to make a small payment towards it (not the whole lot), and the rest will be paid for by naming rights etc. I just hope they sort that bit out before they commit to anything.

As for the corners, have a closer look: They are not wide open. There isn't seating there yet, but it is enclosed in glass/perspex. this will help retain the atmosphere until expansion is required. I bet you're gushing with praise over the wide open corners at New Anfield though. :)

JDN21

July 26th, 2007, 09:55 PM

It's not free at all.

PLEASE read up on the fine details of this move instead of believing the catchy headline in the Echo :ohno:

Anyway, regardless of the politics and finances I personally think it's a bad design. The wide open corners are a terrible design that will sap the atmosphere. It looks like West Brom's ground from inside. Just not good enough.

Except it has 22,000 extra seats and nice steep stands, while the corners are enclosed, unlike Goodison. All of which would generate a quality atmosphere.

Paul D

July 27th, 2007, 06:42 PM

It's not free at all.

PLEASE read up on the fine details of this move instead of believing the catchy headline in the Echo :ohno:

Anyway, regardless of the politics and finances I personally think it's a bad design. The wide open corners are a terrible design that will sap the atmosphere. It looks like West Brom's ground from inside. Just not good enough.

It's virtually free,it's only going to cost Everton about 10 million.The sale of the current ground will easily cover that.The best part of this deal is the fact that Everton will not inherit a huge debt.

Lostboy

July 28th, 2007, 07:18 PM

It's handsome enough, certainly no Rooney when it comes to looks. However I feel the whole King's Dock Stadium thing was a bit of a lost opportunity, Everton and Liverpool (the city not the club) missed out on a great ambassador to the city to have a communal structure located right next to the Dockside. Looked absolutely stunning, just like those American Baseball Stadiums that they place within the centre of their cities. Fantastic Location.

However all things considering not so very bad. And as for empty stadiums, if clubs were decent enough to put the price of tickets to that only slightly above what the Bundesleague or La Liga sells them as, they would get guaranteed sell outs. It's their greed that is responsible for half empty stadiums.

clarky

July 29th, 2007, 03:24 PM

Kobo

August 24th, 2007, 03:24 PM

Everton fans vote for Kirkby move.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/e/everton/6961678.stm

Scarecrow

November 5th, 2007, 01:17 PM

Merseytram poised for resurrection?

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From www.transportbriefing.com:

Quote:
Plans to return trams to Merseyside could be resurrected within months following comments from local transport chiefs and government ministers that a new funding package is within grasp.

The Merseytram project was abandoned in 2005 after then-transport secretary Alistair Darling withdrew £180m of promised government funding, following concerns about rising costs and disagreements between local authorities about how to progress the scheme.

However, following last month's announcement of a 2.25% real-term increase in funding for local transport schemes by Darling in his role of Chancellor of the Exchequer, promoters of trams for Liverpool have indicated that if passenger transport executive Merseytravel, Liverpool City Council and other interested parties produce realistic new costings for a line from Kirkby to the city centre then money will be forthcoming.

Treasury financial secretary Jane Kennedy said: “Under the comprehensive spending review, there is scope for such local transport schemes, with the proviso that all Merseyside councils and the local communities demonstrate that they really want to take this route.” The Wavertree Labour MP added: “I believe that there is a coherent and cogent argument for the new Merseytram route, and that is on the record.” Whitehall sources have suggested that the Chancellor “will not need much persuading” to agree funding for the a city tram line.

The abandoned Merseytram project was developed to allow construction of a tram line in time for next year's Liverpool European Capital of Culture celebrations. However, as a 2008 completion date looked increasingly unrealistic, city leaders sought to postpone construction of the scheme to avoid disruption for tourists and visitors during 2008. However, Merseytravel retains legal powers to build a tram system until 11 February 2010.

Merseytravel chair Mark Dowd, who is also chair of the all-party Merseytram committee said: "We remain fully committed to Merseytram and have the powers to begin work on the project until February 2010."

Last month transport secretary Ruth Kelly was reported to be ready to green light the project if Merseytram could come up with a “convincing” case that it was necessary for Merseyside's long-term regeneration. A key component of the rethink was the proposal to relocate Everton Football Club's stadium to Kirkby, alongside a Tesco retail park. The case for improved public transport links has also been strengthened by the Arena development on Kings Dock and Grosvenor’s £1bn Liverpool One retail scheme.

With Merseytram back on the cards and set to run past the New Goodison, who is to say that Stanley Park (R/S) stadium will be the automatic choice to host WC matches in 2018? New Goodison is designed to expand to 60,000 minimum with the corner space, plus the tram links, with Merseyrail and motorway links might make this more likely to be expanded beyond 60,000 than Stanley Park.

50,000 is the bare minimum needed (and ever proposed by EFC) for a new ground, so in-filling of the corners within five years of the ground opening seems more than likely IMO.

Accura4Matalan

November 5th, 2007, 02:44 PM

Where is the location for this one?

Tesco!

Scarecrow

November 5th, 2007, 02:57 PM

Kirkby About half a mile from the Liverpool City Boundary, in Liverpool suburbia. The Prestonalan Rat is a bit retarded. Ignore it.

johnnypd

November 5th, 2007, 07:15 PM

Terry Leahy is a Toffee, as is Phillip Green (M&S) and Sir Paul McCartney (Beatles/Wings/Sir Paul & Pegleg)

Hitler was an Evertonian too, according to rumours...

philip green is spurs fan.

Scarecrow

November 5th, 2007, 09:51 PM

You're quite right. He is an advisor to the Everton board though.

Scarecrow

November 22nd, 2007, 11:06 AM

Everton stadium could grow to 75,000 Nov 22 2007

EXCLUSIVE by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post

EVERTON FC holds long-term aims to expand its proposed new stadium in Kirkby to a capacity of 75,000.

The club is currently in detailed negotiations to relocate from its current home at Goodison Park to a 50,000-to-55,000-seater ground in Kirkby town centre.

But, in a recent confidential meeting with Liverpool council officials, Everton chief executive Keith Wyness said the club wanted a site which was capable of expansion to 75,000 seats in the longer term if success on the pitch allows it.

Mr Wyness told the meeting the desire for that expansion – albeit some years hence – was one of the reasons why an alternative site at the tunnel “Loop”, off Scotland Road, was not acceptable as a potential new home for the club.

The Loop site, owned by Bestway, was seen by Liverpool council and leader Warren Bradley as the best option to try to keep Everton within the city boundaries.

Last night the club would not comment, but has always said the site was too small for their own ambitions.

A spokesman for Knowsley Council said as far as the authority was concerned the Kirkby stadium would have between 50,000 and 55,000 seats and no more.

There is no suggestion Everton have any imminent plans to expand the proposals, and indeed could not afford such a move currently.

But Mr Wyness was criticised for “moving the goalposts” by Bestway’s head of property, Malcolm Carter.

He said: “At no stage has 75,000 ever been mentioned publicly, why has he moved the goalposts? Our own work by specialists HoK shows our site could hold a 55,000-60,000 stadium which is what we were asked to work towards.

“I am frustrated and fed up. We’re passionate about the regeneration of the area around our site. We’re doing this for the right reasons but Everton have not returned my calls or agreed to meet me. By all means dismiss the site, but at least consider it.

“I have remained loyal to the project and we’re still putting money into it. The council are grateful we’re still there. But I’m reaching the point where we will look at other options for the site.”

Everton also believe the need for extensive engineering work around the tunnel site, including building a plinth, would make it prohibitively expensive, though this view is not shared by Bestway.

Liverpool FC already harbours ambitions to expand its proposed new 60,000 stadium on Stanley Park, which recently received planning permission, to beyond 75,000.

A majority of Everton fans voted in favour of the move to Kirkby in August and extensive consultation is already under way in the Kirkby area.

Sparks

November 22nd, 2007, 06:36 PM

I seriously doubt Everton will ever need a 75k stadium.

adman

December 5th, 2007, 09:28 AM

[ref (http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i5fuV-EWXpWPEA32Pxf7B3H-TmeQ)]
"..murdered the soul of Everton"
"you will be the death of the club":ohno:

Ingrates.
Must be galling to be accused of such things. If I was Kenwright, I'd take my money out of the club. Sod them.

Kenwright under the cosh

Everton owner Bill Kenwright faced a barrage of criticism at the club's annual general meeting on Tuesday night over the plans to leave Goodison Park and move to a new stadium in nearby Kirkby.

Kenwright, also club chairman, walked into a hail of objections from a packed meeting, and was accused by one shareholder of "being the man who murdered the soul of Everton". He was also told by another shareholder "you will be the death of the club".

Kenwright told shareholders: "I do listen to the fans, I don't want to leave Goodison either. But we have had no confirmation of the cost of the Scotland Road site, and we have also been told that it is not big enough for a 50,000 seater stadium."

Feelings have been running high for months as Everton have entered into discussions with Tesco and the authorities in Kirkby - significantly outside the city boundaries - over a new home for the Toffees.

And Kenwright was forced to concede that if the Kirkby plan does not happen, then Everton will have a plan B of reconsidering a redevelopment plan for Goodison.

The problem for Everton is that Liverpool City Council have suggested an alternative site close to the city centre on Scotland Road. However, it is believed that any rebuilding of Goodison will cost around £250million, while the Kirkby project will cost around £150million.

The board also had Chris Potts, their planning consultant, on hand to answer complaints, and he said: "I believe the site is too small and will be a complicated construction involving building over road.

"The cost of that, although we have had no figures, will be hugely more than the Kirkby project."

But Kenwright said: "If the Kirkby project does not happen, then the plan B will be to look again at Goodison Park. And I suppose that the Scotland Road site would have to become a plan C."

Scarecrow

January 4th, 2008, 12:32 PM

Sir Terry Leahy reveals his hopes for new Everton stadium
Jan 4 2008 David Bartlett

Terry Leahy

THE strength of the feeling of the two main men behind plans to build a new stadium for Everton FC and Tesco supermarket in Kirkby was revealed last night.

Letters from Bill Kenwright, chairman of Everton FC, and Sir Terry Leahy, chief executive of Tesco, in support of the application for planning permission submitted for the scheme this week have been obtained by the Daily Post.

The plans for the £400m 50,000- seat stadium and 24-hour Tesco Extra store could come before Knowsley Council’s planning committee as soon as spring.

The proposal will also include a hotel, offices, commercial and community uses, petrol filling station, more than 3,500 car parking spaces, bus and coach parks, residential development together with new accesses, infrastructure and landscaping.

There will also be an unnamed leisure scheme and a six-figure investment in the hugely popular Kirkby market.

In support of the application, Mr Kenwright wrote: “Goodison Park has been the home of Everton Football Club for more than a century – a period of sustained growth and achievement which has seen the club establish itself as one of sport’s most successful, revered and respected institutions.

“A close-knit local community actually grew up around the stadium – something which made all the more apt David Moyes’ description of us as “The People’s Club” upon his appointment as manager back in 2002.

“But, tradition is one thing, ambition another and as we seek to re-establish ourselves amongst the vanguard of English football’s elite grouping we have concluded that only by leaving our much- loved current home for a new, modern stadium boasting a larger capacity and vastly superior facilities can we achieve our long- term objectives.

“We have been in discussions with both Tesco and Knowsley Borough Council for some time now about us being an integral part of a larger, mixed-use scheme which would not only serve to provide us with a new home but also help to regenerate Kirkby, just four miles away.

“Whilst we do fully intend to continue – indeed, to expand – our current healthy relationship with the people of Walton, we now look forward to developing an equally mutually-rewarding partnership with the people of Kirkby.

“For these reasons, I, along with the other members of the Everton board of directors, fully endorse and support this planning application.” In another letter, Sir Terry Leahy wrote: “These proposals have the potential to deliver a substantial range of regeneration benefits for the town centre and wider area of Kirkby.

“The combined effects of the stadium, and the new retail developments that enable it, will result in new facilities for the local community, increase the profile of Kirkby and attract additional investment to the town.

“I am confident that our proposals and further investment in the near future will assist in bringing the speedy but lasting regeneration of Kirkby. Tesco remains firmly committed to working alongside Everton Football Club and the council to deliver this project, which will enable the club to move to a new high profile, state of the art stadium in Kirkby.

“The new stadium will do much to assist the club achieve its footballing ambitions, which, as I know you appreciate, will bring a range of benefits to the whole of the Merseyside area.”

Scarecrow

January 4th, 2008, 12:40 PM

Everton FC submit stadium plans for approval
Jan 2 2008

Artist's impression of Everton's new stadium & shops in Kirkby _320

EVERTON FC today presented their plans for a Kirkby stadium to Knowsley council.

The club and supermarket giant Tesco formally submitted their £400m proposal to build a new home for the Blues and a shopping district south of the existing town centre.

Town hall planners will now start scrutinising the Destination Kirkby scheme before councillors decide whether to approve it – possibly as soon as the spring.

Tesco, which would bring in developer Barr to build the stadium and shops, would then want to start work later this year.

The proposal focuses on a 50,000-seater replacement for Goodison Park, a 24-hour Tesco Extra store and about 50 high street shops south of Cherryfield Drive.

It also includes “development opportunities” for the existing town centre, including an unnamed leisure scheme and a six-figure investment in Kirkby market.

Significantly, the scheme features about £10m of road improvements and work designed to reduce the impact of the huge development on surrounding areas.

The possible negative effect of Everton moving to Kirkby on traffic and anti-social behaviour have been the main point raised by residents and Knowsley North Labour MP George Howarth so far.

The club and Tesco will hope the details contained in the planning application will ease their concerns.

Otherwise, the prospect of the government “calling in” the scheme for closer scrutiny could raise its head, delaying work by months.

Everton chief executive Keith Wyness said: “This represents the next key stage in what has been a complex and demanding process.

“We continue to work closely with our partners, Tesco and Knowsley council, and we remain very optimistic about what is a hugely ambitious and significant project.”

Tesco’s public affairs manager Tony Fletcher said: “We have been working on the planning application for the past 10 months and believe this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to create a development of truly international significance in the heart of Kirkby.

“We have consulted widely on our suggestions and received valuable feedback, not least from the people of Kirkby, who have attended exhibitions and meetings with us.

“We will now enter an extended period of consultation with the council and continue to seek feedback from residents.

“We hope that the planning committee will consider the application in the late spring and, depending the outcome and subsequent feedback from the government office of the North West, we hope to be in a position to start construction work in 2008.”

The application says exact designs for Tesco’s proposed revamp of Kirkby market would be agreed before a more detailed plan is submitted to the council.

The firm says it would hold talks with the council and market stallholders before drawing up a “modern and attractive trading environment”.

The document also includes a basic application for new commercial and leisure developments in the existing town centre, possibly including a hotel, bars, restaurant and family leisure facilities.

Although a majority of Everton season-ticket and shareholders voted in favour of the move outside the city boundaries last summer, some fans and Kirkby residents oppose the idea.

Scarecrow

January 4th, 2008, 05:07 PM

Plans online now:
http://www.knowsley.gov.uk/consultation/kirkby/kirkby_tesco4.html

Chris H

January 7th, 2008, 11:32 PM

eyeam

January 16th, 2008, 09:11 PM

I like the way the stadium's corner's are semi-filled in. It allows more natural light to enter the stadium at each end, and is less monotonous than the typical 'Blandbowl' designs we see up and down the country now.

You're joking aren't you?! It's the epitome of bland design :ohno:

Not good enough for our club and will be a massive mistake if it goes ahead imo

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/159/kirkbyelevationbi0.jpg

Fluff

January 17th, 2008, 09:45 AM

I have to agree with you here, and for a club like Everton it's not good enough. Sadly from the exterior it does look like a big Tescos (then again maybe that's what Terry wants).

When you compare it to the design of the Kings Dock proposal its miles behind.

(I say this with no bias to or against Everton, I'm a Man City fan)

Blue Lou

January 17th, 2008, 12:08 PM

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/nov2007/7/9/3DE90886-A2AE-AA4A-A977F9519EC0E5C7.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n149/officepal/imposingkirkby.jpg

http://www.destinationkirkby.com/assets/img/vibe/cgi-4.jpg

Fluff

January 17th, 2008, 02:05 PM

Enough said!

Bland bland bland

ben77

January 17th, 2008, 04:08 PM

An extra couple of blands for me..

Paul D

January 17th, 2008, 04:21 PM

That's what you end up with when you're only putting about 14 million to the cost of building it.

1878EFC

January 17th, 2008, 05:15 PM

That's what you end up with when you're only putting about 14 million to the cost of building it.

not true

Paul D

January 17th, 2008, 05:27 PM

not true

How much then elaborate.

StiffUpper

January 18th, 2008, 01:52 AM

eyeam

January 21st, 2008, 12:42 PM

How much then elaborate.

Over £100m. Source: Robert Earl

All that propaganda rubbish in the Echo before the vote about how it will be "effectively free" and "minimal cost for EFC" was just a con to push the move through. Sadly, some people STILL haven't cottoned on.:bash:

Paul D

January 21st, 2008, 05:08 PM

Well if that's the case why do they even need Tesco? Surely you could build a stadium for that? Let's face it this is nothing special.

1878EFC

January 21st, 2008, 09:51 PM

yes before the AGM and voting we were paying £40m and after the voting all of a sudden we are paying at least £140m depending on the naming rights.

1878EFC

January 21st, 2008, 09:52 PM

From those few pictures the ground looks pretty good and traditional.

I imagine Everton fans will be gutted to be moving to an out of town site in a retail park (even if the retail park is ok looking as retail parks go).

too say the least mate, the gullible ones aren't arsed though it seems.

the whole deal stinks mate!

Scarecrow

June 10th, 2008, 01:13 PM

Everton's Kirkby stadium: All eyes now on public inquiry callsJun 10 2008

by Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo

EVERTON FC today urged the government to let the club complete its controversial move to Kirkby.

The Blues cleared their penultimate hurdle yesterday when Knowsley council’s planning committee backed the £400m plan, which includes a Tesco superstore and other high street shops.

Despite objectors’ arguments against the scheme, councillors said its regeneration benefits were too strong to ignore ,and voted 20-1 in favour. (The one against was Lib Dem Cllr Fred Fricker.)

The planning committee’s verdict will be sent to the Government Office of the North West (GONW), which will decide, probably within 21 days, if a public inquiry should be held.

Councillors were told the entire scheme could collapse if that happens because it would add millions of pounds to the cost, which Everton FC cannot afford.

Knowsley council leader Ron Round also called on the government to “trust” the right decision was made yesterday.

But the scheme’s opponents said they were looking forward to a public inquiry, claiming there was overwhelming evidence it was required.

After the meeting in Huyton, Everton chief executive Keith Wyness said: “The council’s decision was one major step in the process, but there is still one hurdle to go.

“The financial future of this project and this club depend on it.

“The project is balanced very finely at the tipping point. A long delay would lead to cost inflation and stop it from proceeding.

“I have been working in Westminster. All we can carry on doing is explain the situation clearly, so they have the best information possible.

“We are involved in the world of politics, so anything can happen.”

Brilliant

June 10th, 2008, 08:45 PM

Will the FA be able to claim New Anfield and the new Everton stadium are in two different cities/towns for the England world cup bid 2018?

Link.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ef7b492-3679-11dd-8bb8-0000779fd2ac.html

berkshire royal

June 12th, 2008, 01:53 PM

good news for everton but i also feel its a great shame if goodison goes seeing as it realy is the last truly traditional stadium in england that is of a good size
when is construction planned to start ?

Gherkin

June 12th, 2008, 04:10 PM

Chogmook

June 12th, 2008, 04:13 PM

COMS is in the City Of Manchester, Old Trafford is in Trafford Met Borough.

Same situation really! ;)

tom85

June 12th, 2008, 11:36 PM

BunchUk

June 13th, 2008, 12:49 AM

Brilliant, technically they are in different cities but I doubt that both will be used. It's more likely that Old Trafford and COMS will be used, as COMS has already proved itself with the Uefa Cup final. High fives to Tesco for funding so much of the scheme :)

Tesco aren't contributing anything.

Knowsley Corrupt Council are literally giving the land away to Tesco who in turn are allowing Everton to build the stadium there, they are only doing this as it is the only way they (Tesco) will be allowed to build the store they want. Without the stadium, the size of the retail element cannot be justified. Even with the stadium, it is hard to justify it, as it contravenes all local and national planning guidelines and policies. It remains to be seen how corrupt the Labour government is, as although all of the surrounding Local Authorities have unanimously objected to Knowsley's outrageous plans, only Knowsley are under Labour control.

Brilliant

June 13th, 2008, 10:00 AM

Gherkin

June 13th, 2008, 10:58 AM

Yes London will have two stadia, but also another city is allowed to have two stadia IF there are quite a few other venues around the country. It's unlikely that London, Manchester AND Liverpool will be allowed 2 stadia each because this would mean a great deal of stadiums would need to be constructed elsewhere.

markmcd1976

June 13th, 2008, 07:58 PM

With the amount of quality stadiums in England I doubt any city will have two stadiums hosting games in 2018.

RobH

June 13th, 2008, 09:44 PM

London will.

Blue Lou

July 1st, 2008, 05:53 PM

Interesting to see shareholders petitioning for an EGM raising questions about the new stadium.

Scarecrow

August 6th, 2008, 07:53 PM

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/stadium-called-in.html

Steveandthewife

August 9th, 2008, 07:26 PM

Good lets hope it doesnt happen goodison is one of only a handful of real football stadiums.

Gherkin

February 7th, 2009, 10:09 PM

Can anyone tell me what this is!? http://www.blackwidowinternet.com/everton/ Old proposal?

The interior of the stadium looks excellent but why's One Canada Square been stuck onto Goodison!?

Immunda Leodis

February 8th, 2009, 05:20 PM

^^Very eloquent presentation. I really hope the board see sense and redevelop Goodison. I'm far from a fan of the club, but it would be a travesty to lose such a stadium! :bash:

Tobylvp

August 6th, 2009, 03:22 PM

^^Very eloquent presentation. I really hope the board see sense and redevelop Goodison. I'm far from a fan of the club, but it would be a travesty to lose such a stadium! :bash:

Goodison Park is one of the most landlocked stadium's in the country. Expansion is expensive with CPOs being very expensive. The surround terraced houses give a poor image.

Transport access is not good and there is no adjacent rapid-transit rail station - the city has Merseyrail and countless redundant lines awaiting recommission. Walton Hall Park is near and ideal with a redundant mothballed line running next to it. It could shift 40,000 per hour and directly into a stadium.

See this thread:
Stadia Thread (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16295&page=14)

The poor Kirkby stadium design. The corners are not even used.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/07_02/EvertonNewStadium2_468x351.jpg

Schmeek

August 7th, 2009, 11:47 AM

Scarecrow

August 7th, 2009, 11:54 AM

As previously stated, the corners will be filled in long term to increase capacity when required. Much cheaper than building on the top of an existing stand.

Indian Forever

August 7th, 2009, 12:02 PM

Nice stadium.:cheers:

Tobylvp

August 7th, 2009, 12:31 PM

Poor in your opinion. Ok, it's not gonna set the world alight, but the corners are used. Just not for the upper tier, which would possibly see the stadium become too big capacity-wise for the club. Also chopping the corners creates a distinct character for the ground (similar to Ibrox). Do we really want all new stadia to be generic continuous bowl formula? I for one am sick to death of this trend where only the colour of/the pattern in the seats distinguishes one club from another..

It is poor for a club like Everton who for most of their existence had the best club ground in the UK, so much it was automatic choice for a world cup semi-final. The corners are not fully used, only a small part. Filled corners adds atmosphere and

Unfortunately there isn't many ways a stadium can be designed to maximise atmosphere and capacity. Too big for Everton FC? They used to have amongst the highest average gates in the country. When they do well you can't get near the ground. The club has had more seasons in the top-flight than any other. 50,000 is way too short for a club like Everton - most people in Liverpool support Everton. The club said it can expand to 73,000, yet the council will not allow expansion so I believe.

The design is a cheap dog. In the wrong place with no adjacent high throughput rapid-transit rail station. Liverpool has a metro system that has been ignored, as is the case with Liverpool FC. What planet are these people on.

It will flop and the club will decline.

Tobylvp

August 7th, 2009, 12:33 PM

As previously stated, the corners will be filled in long term to increase capacity when required. Much cheaper than building on the top of an existing stand.

Well why don't they do it now. If reports are right they can't go over 50,000 that is why the corners are not filled in.

The transport to the stadium is appalling.

Scarecrow

August 7th, 2009, 12:37 PM

I agree with the transport situation, and would take your WHP suggestion over this, although I can't see the transport there being much of an improvement.

Tobylvp

August 7th, 2009, 12:47 PM

I agree with the transport situation, and would take your WHP suggestion over this, although I can't see the transport there being much of an improvement.

Look at this post. All is there and follow the links for more info. Walton Hall Park has a disused mothballed track and tunnel adjacent.
click here for post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=40882034&postcount=1027)

lifted from the World Cup thread:

Maybe this should be on the Everton thread. If you had read the previous post on this thread by me and followed and read the link you would not have written what you did. The tunnel at Rice Lane is still there and can be diverted a matter of yards into Walton Hall Park. The curve trackbed is mainly still in place running to the main disused Outer Loop line which even has the bridges intact.

Again. Below: The Everton ground can be seen. Liverpool are just south off picture. The red line is the disused tunnel from Kirkdale station (bottom left) to the Queens Drive/Rice Lane Flyover. An Everton/Liverpool stadium can be just over the junction in Walton Hall Park. The white dotted lines are the old trackbeds and lead off to bottom right is the outer loop line that goes to West Derby and then onto South Parkway and mainline connections to London and Manchester.
http://i29.tinypic.com/2ij6u83.jpg
from multimap and YoLiverpool

The map below

The red line is the proposed recommissioned Outer-Loop line - still with trackbed and bridges intact. This brings on-line: Walton Hall Park, Norris Green, Clubmoor, West Derby, Knotty Ash, Broad Green, Childwall, Gateacre, Woolton & Halewood - eventually. The catchment area of the line is substantial and great boost to these districts getting them on rapid-transit rail.
The red star at the top at the end of the red line is Kirkdale station.
The red star at the bottom of the red line is Hunts X station.
The red/blue line is the Kirkdale-Rice Lane tunnel.
The red/blue star at the top is Walton Hall Park where an Everton FC or Liverpool FC or a shared stadium could be built with a high throughput station. Trains leave the stadium both ways.
The green dotted line is the existing Northern line that creates a full city loop with the Outer-Loop - trains can just go around the loop. Or just around the loop on matchdays to shift fans, so no shunting trains at a terminus to get them back to the stadium to get more fans.
The pink lines are existing Northern Lines to: Southport, Ormskirk and Kirkby.
The light blue line is Edge Hill to the west and where it meets the red line is Broad Green. This could be made into a junction, as was planned to be so in the 1970's. That means the north and southern sections of the Outer-Loop can be two separate loops and will run right into Edge Hill junction and onto Lime St, or into Central if the Wapping tunnel is branched into Central. Or down the Waterloo tunnel and onto the Northern
Line at Waterloo Dock. All in the future, but would make the loop quickly accessible to the city centre. The basic loop can be got onto Merseyrail very quickly and cheaply.
The light blue star at the bottom is Liverpool South Parkway station with connections to London and Manchester and beyond.
The rails already bought for the collapsed Merseytram scheme are stored in Hull and can be used for the loop offsetting some costs.

The setup covers much of what trams were to cover and shifts people fast with connections all over Merseyside. If a shared stadium, then Walton Hall Park is the ideal choice as the fans can be shifted in and out very fast and en-mass. It is cheap to implement as well. It is cheap to implement as most is actually in place. This gives a big bang-for-buck.

http://i32.tinypic.com/209leo1.jpg

Extending Goodison Park is a no, no. The club have wanted out for valid reasons for 12 years now. If you think that old crock is viable then you are in dreamworld. The ground is a crock and two stands have wood content. In 5 years it may have its safety certificate revoked for the upper tiers or the whole stands. The surrounds are dire being run down terraced houses - same for Liverpool FC. A very poor image for the city. A city puts its best foot forward. Look at Manchester with OT near Salford Quays and the COM stadium.

Liverpool city council, and Knowsley council, should have insisted that as a precursor a high throughput rapid-transit station shifting at least 30,000 an hour being a part of the design. Why? Because the city has one and it just make bloody common sense where very large crowds are. It is a win, win all around for the clubs, fans, residents, city image, ease of gaining planning permission, etc, etc.

So a stadium has to be where the lines are, or where a mothballed line is. Walton Hall Park is near to the existing ground, being in the same district, Walton, and has a line that is easily re-commissioned.

Walton Hall Park is rather run down and it is stretching it to call it a proper park, more an open piece of green land - brownfield. If Liverpool FC and Everton setup on the park, in separate stadia or shared, then this releases a true grade 2 listed Victorian park, leaving Stanley Park alone.

Link for you again, which goes into it more:
Link (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16295&highlight=stadia&page=14)

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Blue Lou

November 20th, 2009, 02:34 PM

Decision due next week... on or before the 27th...

Arguably the most important decision for Everton in the past 116 years.

steveedster

November 26th, 2009, 12:16 AM

REJECTED.

Gherkin

November 26th, 2009, 01:22 AM

^lol

From http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-stadium/2009/11/25/everton-fc-plan-for-kirkby-stadium-rejected-by-secretary-of-state-100252-25254989/

THE Government has rejected the plan to create a new Everton stadium as part of a Tesco development in Kirkby.

Communities secretary John Denham decided that the projects would breach shopping policy to discourage major supermarket chains sucking business away from town and city centres.

But he was only convinced of that today, two days before he was legally obliged to make up his mind.

A major factor behind his alleged dithering was the potential to regenerate Kirkby, provide the football club with a brand spanking new stadium, pour over £400 million into the region, and create up to 7,000 short-term, long-term and supply jobs.

The decision, which will be spelt out later tomorrow took regional MPs and ministers by surprise. Most had assumed that the jobs and investment potential would, when it came to the crunch, outweigh shopping policy.

Knowsley North and Sefton East MP George Howarth said: "I deeply regret this decision in a time of significant economic challenge to the whole of Merseyside during a recession."

a better story in the guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/25/everton-stadium-plan-rejected

Everton's future direction under the ownership of Bill Kenwright was thrown into turmoil last night when the government rejected the club's controversial plan to construct a 50,000-seat stadium in Kirkby. The decision means Everton have now failed with three attempts to leave their historic Goodison Park home in the Premier League era.

The communities secretary, John Denham, had been expected to announce his decision by Friday and the reasons for the rejection, which came as a major surprise to local MPs and Everton officials, will be outlined in full this morning. George Howarth, the MP for the Knowsley North and Sefton East constituency, where the stadium was to be built, confirmed: "I deeply regret this decision in a time of significant economic challenge to the whole of Merseyside during a recession."

Everton's proposed £150m stadium was to be the centrepiece of a huge retail development in Kirkby, a scheme driven by the supermarket company Tesco whose chief executive, Sir Terry Leahy, is an Everton supporter and occasional adviser to the club. Denham is believed to have decided the negative impact of the retail development on surrounding areas, with neighbouring authorities Liverpool, St Helens and Sefton all objecting, outweighed the regeneration benefits for Kirkby.

The Destination Kirkby project has had a divisive effect since it was first announced and Kenwright, the chairman and majority shareholder, opened the decision to a vote of 36,662 Everton fans. The outcome in August 2007 was 15,230 in favour of the move, with 10,468 against and a further 10,901 abstaining.

Asked about the decision last night, Everton's manager, David Moyes, said: "I have nothing to say."

That vote followed claims from Everton's then chief executive, Keith Wyness, that Kirkby represented "the deal of the century" for a club that cannot currently afford a new stadium without an enabling project. It was also before details of the stadium where revealed and which, when published, prompted the leader of Liverpool City Council Warren Bradley to describe it as "A glorified cow shed built in a small town outside Liverpool." Ironically, Liverpool City Council are today due to submit their application to be considered a host city for the 2018 or 2022 World Cup, with the Kirkby stadium included in that proposal.

Wyness' claim in 2007 that Everton would be left with debt "that could be as low as £10m" for the £150m stadium - a calculation based on assistance from Tesco, the sale of Goodison Park and the sale of naming rights for Kirkby - has since been discredited. Everton were expecting to contribute around £75m should Kirkby have received the go-ahead and have nowhere near that figure at their disposal.

Club officials will not comment on the government's decision until details have been released but it is a major setback for Kenwright and the board of directors, who will now be under immensepressure to show they have a Plan B. The project to relocate outside the city of Liverpool boundary to Kirkby prompted the formation of the 'Keep Everton In Our City Campaign', whose reservations appear to be shared by the government.

A spokesman for KEIOC said: "This was never a boundary issue, it was a location issue. This stadium would have been nine miles outside the city centre, further from a city centre than any other Premier League ground. While we are pleased the stadium has been rejected, and we have been saying for three years that it goes against planning policy, we are not pleased that Everton have been left in a hole. The club has needed a new ground for over ten years and has been badly advised by so-called experts who, we believe, have been paid over £4m for this advice."

eyeam

November 26th, 2009, 01:38 AM

Brilliant news for the club and the fans.

Not so good for the board memebers hoping to make a few quid out of it. :)

John Williams

November 26th, 2009, 01:45 AM

Brilliant news for the club and the fans.

Not so good for the board memebers hoping to make a few quid out of it. :)

Most of the fans voted to go to Kirkby.

The best site for EFC is the Long Lane industrial estate suggested by Liverpool council. It is adjacent to the mothballed Outer Loop line which can be on the Merseyrail metro network. This will give a stadium station that can shift 30-40,000 per hour. This will ensure success. Get em in and out fast and easy. Then they will come.

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199740&postcount=2

Tarting up Goodison Park will ensure relegation.

eyeam

November 26th, 2009, 02:02 AM

The best site for EFC is the Long Lane industrial estate suggested by Liverpool council. It is adjacent to the mothballed Outer Loop line which can be on the Merseyrail metro network. This will give a stadium station that can shift 30-40,000 per hour. This will ensure success. Get em in and out fast and easy. Then they will come.

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199740&postcount=2

Tarting up Goodison Park will ensure relegation.

Central Docks, The Loop on Scotty and re-development would all be preferable imo.

I don't see money being provided for a new train station and new/refurbished line in a suburban area, there's a slight chance that cash would be provided at Central Docks for a new Vauxhall station with an eye on Liverpool Waters.

I would forsee traffic being a problem on Long Ln too. It would be gridlocked in no time.

John Williams

November 26th, 2009, 02:21 AM

Central Docks, The Loop on Scotty and re-development would all be preferable imo.

I don't see money being provided for a new train station and new/refurbished line in a suburban area, there's a slight chance that cash would be provided at Central Docks for a new Vauxhall station with an eye on Liverpool Waters.

I would forsee traffic being a problem on Long Ln too. It would be gridlocked in no time.

Staying at Goodison Park will mean relegation and permanent 2nd or 3rd rate club status. Long Lane is ideal. Money will be available for a new rail station, and the club being right on the line is the impetus to open it.

Common sense says the club needs to get fans in and out quick and easy as a priority to succeed. A stadium that is difficult to get and slow because transport is poor will be a handicap.

The Loop on Scotland road is poor for transport. A sure fire route to decline even further.

John Williams

November 26th, 2009, 11:09 AM

Everton announced:

Redeveloping Goodison Park is out, as the cost is way too high and the site is landlocked.
They would consider a shared stadium if it is affordable.

TonyYeboah

November 26th, 2009, 06:39 PM

Everton announced:

They would consider a shared stadium if it is affordable.

I can't see how it would be anything other than a massive benefit for both clubs and the city. I appreciate the opposition to the idea, but there's a bit of biting noses off faces going on

TommyMogan

November 28th, 2009, 03:51 PM

I can't see how it would be anything other than a massive benefit for both clubs and the city. I appreciate the opposition to the idea, but there's a bit of biting noses off faces going on

Liverpool FC have not outright rejected the idea.

Toadboy

November 28th, 2009, 03:55 PM

They have John. Many times.

John Williams

December 1st, 2009, 06:28 PM

Mandlesohn says he is behinds a redesigned Kirkby project. Top man support so should be a goer if the Merseyrail station if widened to 6 platforms with a large concourse.

Great news.

Evertonian

December 3rd, 2009, 06:26 PM

Chairman Stadium Thoughts

by Paul Dargan | Friday 27 November 2009, Official Everton FC Site.

Everton chairman Bill Kenwright has spoken for the first time since the Club's ground plans were rejected by the Government.

And he reiterated the fact that although the Kirkby scheme would not be going ahead, the football club is still in need of investment to move forward.

"The first thing to say in terms of Kirkby, is that the chapter is over and the book is closed.

"The motivation has only ever been to improve the finances of the football club.

"They need to be stabilised, improved and expanded.

"As everyone knows, the club doesn't currently have a chairman or a board in a position to do those things.

"We have had some of the best financial experts helping us with our search for investment for some considerable time now – and that will continue."

"Inevitably the search will throw up questions about where the club will play its football in years to come.

"And the response will be: 'We are happy to be at Goodison Park while we regroup, reassess and consider all options available to us there and possibly elsewhere’.

"At the end of the day, the club's finances will be key to everything."

Kenwright has repeatedly said that he would immediately step aside if the right investor came along as the search continues for a major cash injection.

tommygunn

December 3rd, 2009, 07:38 PM

Everton really need a rich investor too come along and revive the club and build a proper football stadium.

matthemod

December 6th, 2009, 03:56 PM

Ironic considering I would have said Goodison was one of the most proper football stadium's in the country.

John Williams

December 7th, 2009, 12:05 PM

Mandleson and Gordon Brown have interjected in the Kirkby project. Expect to see it start up again and EFC move to Kirkby.

Paul D

December 7th, 2009, 03:20 PM

Mandleson and Gordon Brown have interjected in the Kirkby project. Expect to see it start up again and EFC move to Kirkby.

How many politicians have interjected in Merseytram and nothing's happened,face it,it's never going to happen,even Bill Kenwright has said that.

Dream on.

John Williams

December 7th, 2009, 05:32 PM

How many politicians have interjected in Merseytram and nothing's happened,face it,it's never going to happen,even Bill Kenwright has said that.

Dream on.

When Mandy and Gordon get involved, the two most powerful politicos in our land, you bet they can move things. Mandy and Gordon get involved in trams? They knew better. Only Joe Anderson got involved in trams and he is a councillor not in power.

Evertonian

December 7th, 2009, 05:50 PM

Gordon and Mandy won't be in power in 6 months time.

....and if you think Gideon Osbourne is going to give the scousers a stadium and rail station you must be joking.

£20 billion of spending cuts under the Tories were planned BEFORE the current crisis.

John Williams

December 7th, 2009, 05:59 PM

Gordon and Mandy won't be in power in 6 months time.

Gordon will win. Their record over 12 years is fantastic.

Blackcatfan

December 7th, 2009, 10:36 PM

John Williams

December 7th, 2009, 11:15 PM

Goodison is a great stadium and I will be very sad if it finally goes, but I understand the clubs needs to try and keep up with the Jones'.

Moving out of Liverpool however should be a big no-no, and would be a big mistake as well in my opinion.

Whichever way it pans out, I hope Everton continue to compete at the top level as they are one of England's most famous clubs.

Kirkby is essential a part of Liverpool as its in the same conurbation. You do not cross rolling fields as you go from one to the other the same transport, etc, etc.

Yep, EFC are full of history and one of the oldest. They have top move on or decline further.

John Williams

December 7th, 2009, 11:25 PM

http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/local-news/127143-gordon-brown-set-to-revive-everton-fcs-destination-kirby-dream.html

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-new-stadium//tm_headline=gordon-brown-8216-i-will-revive-everton-fc-stadium-shops-dream-8217%26method=full%26objectid=25335807%26siteid=100252-name_page.html

Gordon Brown has personally intervened in a bid to rescue Everton's doomed Destination Kirkby project.

The Prime Minister has sent North West Minister Phil Woolas MP to reach a compromise with Knowsley Council officials and representatives from supermarket giant Tesco in a bid to secure the Blues' new 50,000-seater stadium in the borough.

Government officials rejected the proposal less than a fortnight ago due to fears that it would reduce business in Kirkby town centre however Brown believes that the scheme to build a new stadium for Everton is viable.

Woolas said: "This issue is far from over and the needs of Everton Football Club are still real.

"The government is committed to the regeneration of both Kirby and Skelmersdale and we will be working behind the scenes with all parties to see if we can take forward a Plan B.

"We are not going to leave this to the free market. I will be meeting with local civic leaders to use government power to intervene in this."

George Howarth, MP for Knowsley, added: "There are high-level talks and it's very encouraging that Phil Woolas, with the blessing of the prime minister, is engaging with Knowsley Council, Tesco and others to see what can be done."

"The main objection against the previous one was the amount of retail, and he's looking at whether or not a new plan with less retail - presumably including the new stadium - is possible.

"At this stage there are still an awful lot of bridges to cross before we can say that's definitely going to happen."

"If we were to win the bid there wouldn't be any of the matches played on Merseyside because there isn't a suitable stadium. It's very early days but there is a glimmer of hope."

Councillor Ron Round, leader of Knowsley Council, confirmed that today's meeting with Mr Woolas MP was productive but that he would be acting within the best interest of the people of Kirkby rather than the Government or Everton FC.

He said: "We discussed options for how we are going to regenerate Kirkby and I felt as if we made significant progress.

"We all agreed that we need to maintain the momentum to ensure that the people of Kirkby have a town centre that they can be proud of.

"At this stage we are not ruling a stadium in or out of the plans but our main emphasis is on regeneration."

Blue Lou

December 8th, 2009, 12:03 PM

The free market comment refers to the stores. The stadium is dead. Think about this logically, how can local civic leaders intervene when the Government's Secretary of State has knocked it back? It's about downscaling the retail offering, finding an alternative leisure use for land and attempting to come out with a semblance of credit for Howarth, Round and Ramsey.

John Williams

December 8th, 2009, 12:17 PM

That is YOUR view, which is based on what you would like to see. It is not dead. Rumours of its demise are greatly exaggerated. Talks are ongoing with Mandelson and Brown interjecting to force a solution. When the two most powerful politicos in the land are on the case matters can be forced through.

The hangup over the stadium is the transport provision. Uprating the Kirkby Merseyrail station to handle quickly the large volumes of people a stadium would attract will solve that. If public money is forwarded for that then matters are very different.

I personally think Kirkby town centre should be gradually moved towards the Merseyrail station. Common sense dictates that the rail station is in the centre of any district or town.

It is not over until the fat lady sings

Blue Lou

December 9th, 2009, 11:18 AM

"The first thing to say in terms of Kirkby, is that the chapter is over and the book is closed." - Bill Kenwright, Everton chairman

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/chairman-stadium-thoughts.html

"I would say as well that Kirkby for a long, long time has divided the club and divided the fans. And who knows really the proportion of fans who were for or against it - we don't know that.

"I think now is the time for the club to be reunited, because for 130 years we have been united. Fans, partners, all of us really need to get behind the next steps for Everon whatever they might be." - Robert Elstone, Everton CEO

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/11/26/1648944/everton-would-consider-sharing-with-liverpool-after-stadium

John Williams

December 9th, 2009, 10:44 PM

Nothing like that on the BBC web site which is usually up to date.

It says:
Aborted plans for Everton's new stadium in Kirkby could still be included in revised plans to regenerate the town.

England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup could also be a factor in returning to the plans.

At this stage we are not ruling a stadium in or out of the plans

From latest BBC report!!!!

It is not over until the fat lady sings.

Evertonian

January 3rd, 2010, 08:08 PM

Everton now in talks with Liverpool City Council regarding sites within the city.

A date of January 11 has been set aside for the two sides to meet following the Government rejection of a planning application for a new stadium in nearby Kirkby.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1239415/Everton-Liverpool-City-Council-hold-new-stadium-talks-January.html#ixzz0bZtEUqQ2

tommygunn

January 3rd, 2010, 11:00 PM

ccfc-4-life

January 5th, 2010, 03:52 PM

Too be honest i would be very suprised if this stadium is built at all now.

No, this design is being shunned, a new design will have to be thought up for another location.

tommygunn

January 7th, 2010, 10:16 PM

No, this design is being shunned, a new design will have to be thought up for another location.

Another location of this size in liverpool is going too be hard too find cant see it happeing full stop.

ccfc-4-life

January 8th, 2010, 03:09 AM

Another location of this size in liverpool is going too be hard too find cant see it happeing full stop.

They said that before land was found for coventry's new stadium, but eventually a location was found (of course, they did have to demolish a few bits and bobs to make room mind you:))

A location will be found i think, the site of an old building maybe? Theyll make room if they have to i am sure.

tommygunn

January 8th, 2010, 03:35 AM

They said that before land was found for coventry's new stadium, but eventually a location was found (of course, they did have to demolish a few bits and bobs to make room mind you:))

A location will be found i think, the site of an old building maybe? Theyll make room if they have to i am sure.

Can Everton even fill a fifty thousand seat stadium i doubt it.

CorliCorso

January 8th, 2010, 01:13 PM

Can Everton even fill a fifty thousand seat stadium i doubt it.

Even though they average 37,000 in their current ramshackle home?

Everton are one of the few teams to have averaged 50,000+ in a season since the war - not even Liverpool have done that.

ccfc-4-life

January 8th, 2010, 03:30 PM

Can Everton even fill a fifty thousand seat stadium i doubt it.

absolutely.

Everton may have a reletively small stadium but they have a massive following not just in Liverpool but in many places in the UK. To average at 95+% full in an absolutely awful stadium (in terms of structure, facilties, obstructions to views etc. - the atmosphere however is incredible) is really amazing.

Arsenal were the same before moving from their 38,000-seater highbury stadium, people were doubting whether or not they could fill the 60,000-seater Emirates - and I dont think the emirates has ever been less than 97%full for an arsenal game. Who's to say it would be any different for a club as big as Everton?

RobH

January 8th, 2010, 07:25 PM

Everton, Villa and Spurs are three clubs who should be in 50,000+ stadiums. Villa Park has pulled out from the 2012 Olympic football tournament to expand their stadium ready for 2018. Spurs will have a new 56,000+ seat stadium in three or four years. Everton need to get their stadium sorted soon too. If they don't they won't just fall behind the so-called big 4 plus Man City, but Spurs and Villa as well.

coren

January 12th, 2010, 04:39 PM

Article in the Guardian today:

Everton have held "positive" talks with Liverpool City Council over plans for a new stadium within the city.

The two sides met yesterday following the Government's decision last year to reject a planning application for a controversial new stadium in nearby Kirkby.

The £400m development for a 50,000-seater stadium, in partnership with Tesco, collapsed in November with Liverpool City Council one of the opponents to Destination Kirkby.

A joint statement read: "A positive meeting took place between Everton FC and Liverpool City Council about future stadium options within the city boundary, and more discussions have been scheduled for the near future."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/12/everton-stadium-liverpool-council-kirkby

CityGent

May 11th, 2010, 01:38 AM

The Siamese Stadium (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2010/05/10/new-siamese-stadium-plan-for-liverpool-and-everton-football-clubs-unveiled-92534-26411613/). As ludicrous as it sounds. How would this be in any way better than a ground share?

Gherkin

May 11th, 2010, 02:48 AM

Ooh that's interesting, although both halves look like they were designed 20 years ago. It's a nice idea but I'm really fond of Liverpool's existing stadium plans and wouldn't want to see them replaced with such an unexciting design. Nice idea. Awful end result.

Curious Orange

May 11th, 2010, 04:31 PM

Some chancer has pitched in with an idea... that is frankly ridiculous. You could get a much larger capacity shared stadium in that footprint.

Immunda Leodis

May 11th, 2010, 10:58 PM

Ridiculous idea. :bash:

RMB2007

December 8th, 2012, 04:42 PM

Recent interview with Robert Elstone (I've quoted the stadium part):

Q: Any news at all on the possibility of a new stadium? Really, we can't progress substantially until we get a new one.

A: Nobody is more aware of that than I!

We are in regular dialogue with the City Council. And it's fair to say over the last few months we have had positive moves on a couple of sites including analysing one site in more depth. We also have continued to work on developing our new stadium brief, defining what we need in a new stadium. As always, the greatest challenge isn't sites or designs, it is money. As we've said in the past, like all new stadia developed over the past 20 years or so, it will require third party support. It will need an external boost of one sort or another from the private or public purse.

Q: Is a shared stadium completely dead?

A: There appears to be no life left in that debate. Our standpoint hasn't changed. Everybody can see the economic sense of it - if it is adopted by both sets of fans. However, for it to have any chance of working, it has to be a truly equal partnership and a location and design that works for us.

Q: Well, the new stadium affect speaks for itself. For instance, take Brighton. About six or seven years ago they were flat broke and on their backs. Now they have a new stadium that attracts an average of 26,000, after many seasons of less than 10,000. I have no doubt whatever that a new stadium would hugely increase our average. It wouldn't fill every week but we wouldn't fail to do much better.

A: Every time I go to a new stadium and compare it to our potential and possibilities I get excited. It's a hugely significant project for us but one that is tough to fix.

Q: Is the development at the corner of Goodison Road completely dead now?

A: We still have the same challenges and needs. We need a better club shop and office facilities. It would be great to have space for the Everton Collection. We have a couple of projects that we're working hard on to bring to fruition. Like a stuck record, I'm afraid. All these needs start with creative ways to find the money.

Full interview:

http://www.bluekipper.com/fans/mickey_blue_eyes-41/b5576-interview_with_robert_elstone.html#