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FloridaFuture
July 22nd, 2007, 04:55 PM
Malls Want Teens To Act More Adult
By MICHAEL SASSO, The Tampa Tribune

Published: July 21, 2007

LARGO - Robin Elder, who manages a bookstore at Largo Mall, knows how to spot a teenager on the lam.

Especially on busy Friday evenings, a few teens - skateboarders, Goth types or the hip-hop set - will duck into her store, scamper to the back and peer over their shoulders to see who's following them.

With the long arm of the law on their tail, youngsters have a funny way of becoming bookworms.

'You can tell,' said Elder, who's worked at Book Bank USA for three years. 'If they come in real quick and run to the back, they're ducking security.'

Here at Largo Mall and across the Tampa Bay area, merchants sound a similar tune. So many teens are swarming in front of mall movie theaters, especially on Friday nights, older customers are staying away and retailers and restaurants are losing business.

The situation may be most severe at this outdoor mall on Ulmerton Road, where one merchant reports teens setting fires behind his store and slamming their skateboards into his glass storefront.

Largo police say they're getting the problem under control. It appears, though, to be at least an irritant at other malls and strip plazas, too.

Locally, malls are trying to fight back by beefing up their internal security staffs and hiring off-duty police officers and sheriff's deputies. For now, though, no Bay area mall has joined the national trend requiring teens to have an adult present after a certain time of night.

Spokeswomen for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office and Tampa police say teen loitering hasn't been a huge problem demanding law enforcement's attention. During the past six weeks, however, the Largo Police Department has had to send officers toLargo Mall, an outdoor center featuring a Regal Cinemas complex.

Fire And Glass

A few merchants with stores near the theater were piping mad on a recent Friday afternoon.

At the Largo Golf Emporium, which sits next to the Largo Mall's theaters, skateboarders have plowed into the shop's storefront and nearly broken the glass, said store manager David Dorman. He also can point to a black splotch on his shop's back door, where teens have set fires.

The golf shop recently started closing an hour early on weekend nights to avoid the mayhem.

'You've got kids screaming obscenities, running up and down,' said Dorman, who has complained numerous times to the mall's management, the large real estate holding company Weingarten Realty Investors. 'High-class customers won't come here.'

Largo police Sgt. George Edmiston said as many as 300 young people used to hang outside the theater before police started cracking down.

Often, parents would drop off children, thinking they were going to the movies. Instead, the youngsters would never buy a ticket and loiter for four hours, Edmiston said.

About six weeks ago, the police department started sending up to 15 on-duty, off-duty and special operations officers to the mall on some busy nights. They issued citations for trespassing, traffic violations and body 'surfing' on the hoods of cars. The crowds have died down dramatically, he said Friday.

A representative for mall owner Weingarten Realty did not return calls from the Tribune.

Teen loitering is hardly a new problem, and other malls in the area have faced the same issue for years.

At University Mall in Tampa, mall manager Tom Locke has tried to divert teens into other activities. The mall has worked with a few faith-based youth groups, and it has invited youngsters from the nearby University Area Community Development Corp. to survey teens at the mall about what events they would attend.

Crowd control, though, is an ongoing struggle, he lets on.

'It's a constant program,' Locke said. 'It's not something you can just walk out and say, 'OK, we've provided a place for kids to go and that's done.''

Even Other Teens Aren't Safe

At the sprawling Regency Square plaza in Brandon, which houses an AMC 20 theater complex, youngsters occasionally spray-paint graffiti on the walls along Chicago's Maxwell Street Grill, a small restaurant near the theater.

At Westfield Citrus Park in Tampa, Chris Joy tries to focus on selling high-end bed sets for the Dormia retail chain. Every weekend evening, however, a few youngsters will bolt into his store, jump around on the beds - which run $799 to $4,500 - and scurry off giggling.

Overall, merchants at Westfield Citrus Park said the mall is relatively tame. However, Adam Lopez, a clean-cut 17-year-old with a faint moustache, said he and his girlfriend avoid the mall on weekend nights. Twice, children have tried to pick a fight with him for no apparent reason, he said.

Taylor Clifton, a marketing representative for Westfield Citrus Park, said mall security and local sheriff's deputies work hand-in-hand to keep the mall safe.

Several area malls in the area have taken to hiring off-duty sheriff's deputies to help keep the peace. Last weekend, 12 off-duty Hillsborough County sheriff's deputies worked at three area malls: Westfield Brandon, Westfield Citrus Park and University Mall.

The malls paid the sheriff's office about $2,800 for their service, most of which goes to the deputies, said spokeswoman Debbie Carter.

For now, no mall in the Bay area is adopting a parental escort policy.

Across the country, at least 50 malls and shopping centers have begun requiring teenagers to be accompanied by an adult after a certain point in the evening, often 5 or 6 p.m. The huge Mall of America near Minneapolis has such a policy, as do several malls in upstate New York and the St. Louis area.

While some malls fear they will lose all their teen business, most malls find that bigger-spending adults return to the mall at night, said Malachy Kavanagh, a spokesman for the International Council of Shopping Centers.

'Sales often actually rebound after one of these policies is put in place,' Kavanagh said. 'If the people do come back, your sales will increase.'

Reporter Mary Shedden contributed to this report. Reporter Michael Sasso can be reached at (813) 259-7865 or msasso @tampatrib.com.

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JBrisco
July 22nd, 2007, 05:55 PM
Is this a joke?
This type of stuff wouldn't happen if downtown still had retail and lots of things to do.
But I guess people just don't think about that type of stuff.

I-275westcoastfl
July 22nd, 2007, 08:31 PM
^^Ive been to largo mall quite a few times trust me its true! I always see alot of cops there, and i always see a lot of fools there too. I go there with my girl to see movies and you do see people running around, etc. Hell last time i was there i saw 3 cop cars and a small group of people being "talked" to. The solution isnt some stupid parent escort policy, that ruins it for anyone who does act normal.

No, they should taze, arrest, give tickets, etc... basically scare the fools. Thats the best way to do it if they arent scared off then arrest them, take them away. Largo Mall is probably the worst with this problem, that ive seen away but i dont see many upscale people going to largo mall.

Its not exactly an upscale mall or area, but its probably affecting business to a certain degree. The police should give one warning and if they keep doing the same things they should be able to take action against whatever somebody is doing wrong. The fools know what they are doing and know its wrong, but no action is taken, so they'll keep doing it. For those that dont know im 17 so this is coming from the age group in the article.

jonknee
July 22nd, 2007, 09:36 PM
Taze?! Yea that's all we need, a couple of dead kids and then we'll have no problems. Stick with the trespassing charges please.

randommichael
July 23rd, 2007, 06:50 PM
I didn't even know Largo had a mall...

JBrisco
July 24th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Whatever happend to millitary school?

Jasonhouse
July 25th, 2007, 12:50 AM
I didn't even know Largo had a mall...

It's hardly a mall.

tampamobster21
July 26th, 2007, 06:27 AM
That is like the Clearwater Mall on Gulf to Bay.

I-275westcoastfl
July 26th, 2007, 06:30 AM
^^not even its a shitty mall that should be torn down and re-done, the movie theater aint even that great. Its outdated and Id say its more like seminole mall except it actually has people and decent stores.

HARTride 2012
July 26th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Its sad that here in Tampa Bay, teens don't have much to do, places to go. That's how they end up getting in trouble. The municipalities should have social clubs and what not (and no alcohol would be served) that would have music, games, etc. and give teens a chance to meet new people of thier age and just hang out and have fun without getting in trouble. I understand they have such places in several European cities, but I guess Tampa Bay hasn't throught that one up yet, or maybe they just don't give a s***.

Maxim98
July 26th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Well, it's usually too hot to use our recreational facilities, or there simply aren't enough. As this is a rather selfish community (in the sense that the majority doesn't seem to care about paying their fair share of taxes to fund the system and the government is so corrupt that they've conceived a system of taxation that's completely inadequate and unfair) that is based upon a car culture, does it come as a surprise that teens have little or nothing to do? Of course, the burden is placed on them to "grow up."

--They probably should do some "growing up," but come on... what else do you expect them to do?

Jahi98
July 26th, 2007, 08:18 PM
The problem as I see it is that there are very few places for teens to hang out for FREE, and be in a safe, secure environment to just socialize. There are the movies, skating rinks, bowling allies, etc., but very few FREE places to hang out without being hassled. Community organizations, churches, etc. need to step it back up, especially with reduced public funding.

I-275westcoastfl
July 27th, 2007, 04:43 AM
For the most part everything said above is true but it all depends where you live which gives you how much to do. For example in my suburb there is nothing here except celebration station(gets boring), the movies in oldsmar(full of idiot rich kids mostly who cant shut up during movies), and Countryside Mall(i never go there anyways). Luckily i have a car but i still remember back before i could drive how insanely bored i was thats one reason i ended up on this site lol.

HARTride 2012
July 27th, 2007, 02:28 PM
Another problem is when certain places shutter up. For example, Tampa Bay Center was a good place to shop and probably would have been a good place for teens to hang out. The problem was, was the mall was too outdated and I guess the management gave up on trying to rack in new tenants and update the mall. That and increased competition from WestShore and International Plaza probably killed off Tampa Bay Center for good. It's always sad when places like TB Center close because such closings create one less place for people to hang out, especially teens.

Jasonhouse
July 27th, 2007, 11:43 PM
Well, it's usually too hot to use our recreational facilities, or there simply aren't enough. As this is a rather selfish community (in the sense that the majority doesn't seem to care about paying their fair share of taxes to fund the system and the government is so corrupt that they've conceived a system of taxation that's completely inadequate and unfair) that is based upon a car culture, does it come as a surprise that teens have little or nothing to do? Of course, the burden is placed on them to "grow up."

--They probably should do some "growing up," but come on... what else do you expect them to do?

Fully agreed.

ChuckScraperMiami#1
July 28th, 2007, 12:09 AM
Well, it's usually too hot to use our recreational facilities, or there simply aren't enough. As this is a rather selfish community (in the sense that the majority doesn't seem to care about paying their fair share of taxes to fund the system and the government is so corrupt that they've conceived a system of taxation that's completely inadequate and unfair) that is based upon a car culture, does it come as a surprise that teens have little or nothing to do? Of course, the burden is placed on them to "grow up."

--They probably should do some "growing up," but come on... what else do you expect them to do?

Maxim:) , my friend,
Play sports and go camping with the high school campouts:banana: ,
that's how we get the teens to get out and stay out of trouble in the Malls here in Miami,
Malls are for shoppers , not teens hanging around looking for trouble.
that was the past here in Miami, but now, it's more sport activities and outdoor campouts at high schools for the summer vacation,
It works, and the Crime is down in Miami this year partly because of doing this for the teens to stay out of trouble in areas they don't belong.

By the way ,
JASON:) < Our MasterChief and Forums friend,
Happy 5th Anniversary here in the
SkyscraperCity Forums Website,
Congrats to you !!!:cheers: