Torre Bicentenario/64fl/300m/Mexico City/by REM KOOLHAAS

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This one seems a little overweight! :lol:

I really don't wanna destroy your pre-joy about this project... But this tower looks awful to me, like it's gonna be build in Pyongyang or somethin like that. Sry, just my opinion :D

Btw: It has the same shape my mopsy physics teacher at school had... Strange :lol:

I was expecting more about this project.

But.... it's ok

Saludos a regioman quien fue el que saco toda la informacion y los renders, graxz amigo!!!!!!:D:D:D:D

Wooo...Nice!!! :okay:

Nice to see a virtual carbon-copy of London's Beetham Tower...

Incredible height, awful design!!!

Glad to hear DF getting a bit taller! Mabey it could use a redesign, but other than that its good!

What's the status please?

I'm honestly not surprised that it's Koolhaas...:D

Yes, RK does not makes designs to joy people or fans, he is one of the few true architects, and in my opinion his architecture and style can be appreciatted just by some few . . .

Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS MEXICO CITY!!!, I want to be there by 2010 !!

What's the status please?

its a proyect.:D

Right, so it's approved?

I dont know ^^ but this new was published on the most important newspaper of Mexico :cheers:

It looks pregnant.

Ugly.

Why is the sky-lobby at 100 meter instead of 300 meter? That doesn't make sense. :?

because they wanted like that:D

It looks pregnant.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

interesting shape, looks good :)

Ugly.

Why is the sky-lobby at 100 meter instead of 300 meter? That doesn't make sense. :?thats what I was thinking.....makes no sense at all!!!

maybe because in 100m there is the most space

gorgeous!

i suppose the sky lobby isn't so much an observation deck as a second lobby serving the upper floors?

gorgeous!

i suppose the sky lobby isn't so much an observation deck as a second lobby serving the upper floors?yeah you're probably right. I assume there will be an observation deck at the top.

I like it, id like to see more glass in the facade... But the shape is awesome..lol

I LIKE.. BUT NOT A LOT.....

is that the final render?

CONGRATULATIONS MEXICO

I don't like the design :(

I Like, Congratulations Mexico.

It's interesting,but definitely not my style.
It's seems there will be a competition between this one and Costanera Center in Santigo to see who will be the tallest in latin America.

I LIKE.. BUT NOT A LOT.....

is that the final render?

CONGRATULATIONS MEXICO


Well, this is only an un-detailed conceptual rendering. The tower will be a little "different" from what we are used to see, but the project may undergo further re-designs. However, do not expect too much redevelopment. Of course, with glass, steel and some other thigs the tower will look better. I personally don´t like it´s form, but i bet that when built it will look much better.

And it looks like a transition between the old, boxy form of the skyscraper and the 2000+ generation boxes, which is quite suitable for the area the tower will be built in.

Nice to see a virtual carbon-copy of London's Beetham Tower...

Lol, no Rem Koolhaas (which btw I thing is an amazing architect and leagues better then Ian Simpson) only copy's himself... But eversince SOM saw daylight that hasn't been a crime ;)

It's a nice design but IMHO, I think this render is vulnerable to seismic activity.

What's the status please?

Proposed.

By the way, I'm sure there will to be strong opposition fron the neighbours and from some people who consider the building to be demolished in order to give way to this project has artistic value (it's a construction from the 40's).

It's interesting,but definitely not my style.
It's seems there will be a competition between this one and Costanera Center in Santigo to see who will be the tallest in latin America.

Neither of the two towers will be the tallest in Latin America in Panama there are some other projects higher than these !!!

Yes, RK does not makes designs to joy people or fans, he is one of the few true architects, and in my opinion his architecture and style can be appreciatted just by some few . . .

Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS MEXICO CITY!!!, I want to be there by 2010 !!

I completely agree with you. True architecture is is hard to achieve...RK is one of the few architects that does it well.

Looks like one of the projected tower in London.
Don't really like it.

Wen built it suposed to be the tallest in Latin America,Im Mexican and i not a fan,i dont like it!

Chiles Costanera Tower has a more pleasing view.
I hope they change Arquitects and have a Mexican Arquitect instead,i personally dont whant a City full of ugly skyscrapers like in Panamas,yes theres a lot of tall ones but they all look ugly and defenetly not fisrt world.

No way this tower will ever be constructed and surpass Torre Mayor. Aren't there certain height limits in Mexico City?

No way this tower will ever be constructed and surpass Torre Mayor. Aren't there certain height limits in Mexico City?

You're wrong !!! 300 meters are not the limit !!!

This tower looks very nice and original. The design is unique. A nice way to celebrate 200 years of independance.

Wen built it suposed to be the tallest in Latin America,Im Mexican and i not a fan,i dont like it!

Chiles Costanera Tower has a more pleasing view.
I hope they change Arquitects and have a Mexican Arquitect instead,i personally dont whant a City full of ugly skyscrapers like in Panamas,yes theres a lot of tall ones but they all look ugly and defenetly not fisrt world.


Seems like you have no freaking idea of what you're talking about...

Nice to see a virtual carbon-copy of London's Beetham Tower...

:wtf: :weird:


looks like someone wanted to show off the projects of his city to me... but well thanks for your opinion... :fiddle:

No way this tower will ever be constructed and surpass Torre Mayor. Aren't there certain height limits in Mexico City?

Oh no! There are not such limits in Mexico City (there are some in selected neighbourhoods). We're still expecting a new tower higher than Torre Mayor and lower than Torre Bicentenario. ;)

..... I'm speechless!:dunno:

No way this tower will ever be constructed and surpass Torre Mayor. Aren't there certain height limits in Mexico City?

Nope.. i think that just happens in Brasil.

But the main reason why it's not common to see many projects like this one is because of the cost of building 'em in this city so they can resist the hard kind of earthquakes that happen here...


this project will be 600 million dollars, a lot compared to what this tower would be in Panama, Dubai etc.

this is another picture of a news paper "Excelsior" this was posted in the Mexico City room, then again, just quick post from that forum, i don't know if this could be how it would look!!!

Esta es la portada del periodico Excelsior!!
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Bicentenario de altura
Arquitectos y urbanistas denunciaron que se pretende demoler un edificio con valor artístico en Lomas de Chapultepec para sustituirlo por una magna obra que conmemoraría el Bicentenario de la Independencia. Al mismo tiempo, la página de internet skyscraperpage.com presenta propuestas de lo que podría ser la torre más alta de la Ciudad de México. Esta imagen presenta un proyecto de rascacielos, que presuntamente ocuparía el sitio del Superservicio Lomas

^^ nope thats a proposal from SSP.... it's a fantasy made by a forumer.

^^ nope thats a proposal from SSP.... it's a fantasy made by a forumer.


AAAHHH!! ok thanks for the info!!! as i said earlier, i didn't know, just quoted that post, but i do like it better than the original desing

I think that the design by Rem Koolhaas is something we were not expecting. It's just quite too different for what we are used to. Maybe in 2010 when it's completed it'll look amazing!

BTW; isn't this the very first Rem Koolhaas' supertall?

;)

In mexico the forum was very famous at National Tv and also in some important Newspapers like reforma.com and televisa.com

I'm speechless... The design is amazing. It is not the typical skyscraper with nice modern design. It's challenging, complex, efficient... It will be most suitable landmark for a city like Mexico City.

This tower reminds me of Lunatic Pandora in Final Fantasy VIII

The shape of this building is amazing! I can't wait to see it standing in 2010 when we Mexicans celebrate the Bicentennial Anniversary of our Independence from Spain and the 100 years celebration of the Mexican Revolution.

I also can't quite understand why this design has had so much negative opinions for its shape because, personally, when I first saw the renderings, I thought it was incredible. But, of course there's always people who are unable to undestand art and good design.

I also wanted to add that this is a very serious proposed project according to what I have read in the Mexico City forum and other news about this project.. The info. posted previously comes from a very reliable, and one of the most serious, and renown, Mexican newspapers.

I hope it becomes the tallest building in Latin America!

mexico d.f. is such an AMAZING city. such rich history and vibrancy. it's about time it takes it's pace among the top tier cities of the world. hope this tower draws attention to the city and points toward a bright future.

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If you get used to it...it will look great. Interesting shape!!

whats the TRAGALUZ?? that big hole??
the building looks pregnant btw. :D

Yes, "tragaluz" means in english something like "skylight", a hole which "seems" will iluminate the inside of some floors.

Good Building:)

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... ugly design

AP
Mexico to Build Tallest LatAm Building
Monday July 23, 4:50 pm ET
Mexico City Announces Plans to Build New, Tallest Building in Latin America

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexico City will soon be home to the new tallest building in Latin America, replacing the sprawling capital's "Torre Mayor," Mexico City's government said Monday.

Officials will break ground on the 300-meter (984-feet) tall "Torre Bicentenario" later this year, and the collection of offices, restaurants and a convention center are scheduled to be inaugurated in 2010, the same year Mexico celebrates 200 years since the start of its 1810 battle for independence.

The privately funded, 85-floor structure will cost an estimated $600 million and will replace Reforma Avenue's "Torre Mayor," which was inaugurated in 2003 as Latin America's tallest building at 225 meters (738 feet) and 55 floors.

The new building will be located down the road from "Torre Mayor," in Mexico City's exclusive Lomas de Chapultepec neighborhood.

Much of Mexico City is built on a silty, former lake bed, and officials have long shied away from tall buildings, especially after the devastating 1985 earthquake, which killed thousands. But a recent real estate boom and better building codes have sparked a construction frenzy, and skyscrapers are rising across the capital.

If the facade changed, it might look better.

the renders still look kind of conceptual,, we cant see how the actual facade will be, the materials, etc,,,

i think that the wide section should be reduced, so we can have a more elegant and sofisticated form.

btw,, add a spire or some special roof finish, so it can reach another few meters.

I wish they had put more time into the design.
whats up with the hole in the side?

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this might be the XXI century version of the Piramide del Sol, Sun Piramid in Teotihuacan,
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WOW WOW WOW Excellent for Mexico:banana: :banana: :banana:

It's sort of weird looking... but overall not a bad design.

I wish they had put more time into the design.
whats up with the hole in the side?

It´s still a concept, it might change, not much, but it might change.

The hole will be a tunnel running inside the building, which will allows pedestrians to look through the building, as well as the flow of air and natural light in central offices to reduce electrical consumption.

this might be the XXI century version of the Piramide del Sol, Sun Piramid in Teotihuacan,
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WHAT???? that makes no sense at all! :ohno:

I love the design, but i don't like these renders make it seems weird

I'd like a supertall here in Mexico but unfortunately the ground is very sismic. This is why I find the design quite ilogical for this purpuse, It seems quite unstable

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I love it!!!!:D:D:D

The model looks really great.

Its not my favorite design by any chance but still it deserves a lot of credit, its a Rem Koolhas building in a great location, right next to the Chapultepec Park and with that height it certainly will become the next Mexico City landmark, i guess we all have to try to imagine this tower built, behold a Glass Monster!
The shape will make it seem even bigger and because of the location and the elevation of the terrain it would be seen from almost any point of the city and it will look taller. Im hoping to see it already under construction ASAP!

looks like a building from them 90's sci-fi futuristic movies, it looks really fake lol, intresting...

Looks like the building that will change the face of mexico city for me!
the desing is not bad.
moreover, from certain perspectives looks interesting =)

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It´s still a concept, it might change, not much, but it might change.

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true, although even if it doesnt change much, this is still a great proposal for mexico, and its a unique shape. I was thinkin that maybe the design could've been less protruding, know what I mean

Its not my favorite design by any chance but still it deserves a lot of credit, its a Rem Koolhas building in a great location, right next to the Chapultepec Park and with that height it certainly will become the next Mexico City landmark, i guess we all have to try to imagine this tower built, behold a Glass Monster!
The shape will make it seem even bigger and because of the location and the elevation of the terrain it would be seen from almost any point of the city and it will look taller. Im hoping to see it already under construction ASAP!

it will look massive, from everywhere! the perfect landmark to find your way around

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As Mexico approaches the 200th anniversary of its independence, it is emerging as an increasingly important urban center both in Latin America and the world at large. In an architectural age defined by the pursuit of expression at all costs, the Torre Bicentenario is building whose unique form is responsive rather than frivolous. A building whose form facilitates rather than complicates its use. An icon that offers Mexico City and the nation a symbol of the coming bicentennial (the tallest building in Latin America), but also an important new element within the city’s urban life.

In 1810, Mexico gained its independence from Spain. 100 years later the Mexican Revolution began Mexico’s political modernity. A century later Mexico and its capital stand at the brink of another quantum leap: a nation at home in a globalized world, in which economic prosperity and a new cultural flourishing promise to transform the nation and its capital.

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FACT SHEET


Status:
2007 – Commission; Concept Design Completed

Client:
Grupo DANHOS

Site:
Northeast corner of Chapultepec Park, adjacent to the interchange of two major highways

Program:
Total 393,8850 m2: AAA Offices 165,600 m2; Ballroom 4,380 m2; Convention 3,700 m2; Gym 300 m2; Lobbies 1,600 m2; Shops / restuarants 3,430 m2; Loading, Storage, Kitchen 6,860 m2; Mechanical 11,980 m2 = 197,850 m2; Site Museum 200m2 & Parking 195 800m2 = 196,000 m2
300m Tall; 40m wide at base and top; 60m & 73m.


COLLABORATORS


Local Architect:
Laboratory of Architecture - Fernando Romero, Dolores Robles-Martinez

Engineers:
Arup - David Scott, Chris Carroll, Ricardo Pittella, Michael Willford, Bruce McKinlay, Julian Sutherland, Alistair Guthrie, Huseyin Darama, Yuvaraj Saravanan, Betsy Price, Keith Frankllin, Matt Clarke, Renee Mackay-Lyons

Elevator Consultants:
Van Deusen & Associates - Ahmet Tanyeri

Model:
Vincent de Rijk

Book:
Irma Boom Design - Irma Boom, Sonja Haller


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Wen built it suposed to be the tallest in Latin America,Im Mexican and i not a fan,i dont like it!

Chiles Costanera Tower has a more pleasing view.
I hope they change Arquitects and have a Mexican Arquitect instead,i personally dont whant a City full of ugly skyscrapers like in Panamas,yes theres a lot of tall ones but they all look ugly and defenetly not fisrt world.

Well that's a pretty nationalistic thing to say. It’s also close-minded. Only a Mexican can design in Mexico. Why is that? I challange you to give me a rational explanation. I wasn't crazy of the design myself at first but it has grown on me already.
Personally I would love to see many of the world's top architects in Mexico City. It's time. Besides this tower by Koolhaas I know Pelli has a pair of residential towers. Who else is in Mexico City already?
I would love to see Foster, Graves, Calatrava, Hadid, Libeskind, Nouvel, Tange, Maki, among others.
Whether you like it or not this design is bold and daring. Yeah it may take some time to get use to it. Specially given the seismic activity in Mexico City. If anything it would take me a while to get over my nervousness.
Oh, I'm Mexican too and I am a fan.

Well that's a pretty nationalistic thing to say. It’s also close-minded. Only a Mexican can design in Mexico. Why is that? I challange you to give me a rational explanation. I wasn't crazy of the design myself at first but it has grown on me already.
Personally I would love to see many of the world's top architects in Mexico City. It's time. Besides this tower by Koolhaas I know Pelli has a pair of residential towers. Who else is in Mexico City already?
I would love to see Foster, Graves, Calatrava, Hadid, Libeskind, Nouvel, Tange, Maki, among others.
Whether you like it or not this design is bold and daring. Yeah it may take some time to get use to it. Specially given the seismic activity in Mexico City. If anything it would take me a while to get over my nervousness.
Oh, I'm Mexican too and I am a fan.


totally agree with you :)


This tower is a new paradigm in Mexico's City Architecture and mentality.

Lets make mexican architecture democratic and not only the work of few ones... lets make mexican architecture globalized and not only a nationalistic banner.


:okay:

Congratulations México!! :cheers2:

Torre Bicentenario México / Rem Koolhaas (http://urbanity.blogsome.com/2007/07/24/torre-bicentenario-mexico-df-rem-koolhaas-oma/)

This building is impressive!!!!! :O

FACT SHEET


Status:
2007 – Commission; Concept Design Completed

Client:
Grupo DANHOS

Site:
Northeast corner of Chapultepec Park, adjacent to the interchange of two major highways

Program:
Total 393,8850 m2: AAA Offices 165,600 m2; Ballroom 4,380 m2; Convention 3,700 m2; Gym 300 m2; Lobbies 1,600 m2; Shops / restuarants 3,430 m2; Loading, Storage, Kitchen 6,860 m2; Mechanical 11,980 m2 = 197,850 m2; Site Museum 200m2 & Parking 195 800m2 = 196,000 m2
300m Tall; 40m wide at base and top; 60m & 73m.


COLLABORATORS


Local Architect:
Laboratory of Architecture - Fernando Romero, Dolores Robles-Martinez

Engineers:
Arup - David Scott, Chris Carroll, Ricardo Pittella, Michael Willford, Bruce McKinlay, Julian Sutherland, Alistair Guthrie, Huseyin Darama, Yuvaraj Saravanan, Betsy Price, Keith Frankllin, Matt Clarke, Renee Mackay-Lyons

Elevator Consultants:
Van Deusen & Associates - Ahmet Tanyeri

Model:
Vincent de Rijk

Book:
Irma Boom Design - Irma Boom, Sonja Haller


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^^ Much better renders! :okay: I start to love it! :hug: :D
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a landmark ;)

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It looks better.

I'm changing my opinion... Maybe is not as ugly as I thought.

nah, the building itself is unique... i love it.

Well that's a pretty nationalistic thing to say. It’s also close-minded. Only a Mexican can design in Mexico. Why is that? I challange you to give me a rational explanation. I wasn't crazy of the design myself at first but it has grown on me already.
Personally I would love to see many of the world's top architects in Mexico City. It's time. Besides this tower by Koolhaas I know Pelli has a pair of residential towers. Who else is in Mexico City already?
I would love to see Foster, Graves, Calatrava, Hadid, Libeskind, Nouvel, Tange, Maki, among others.
Whether you like it or not this design is bold and daring. Yeah it may take some time to get use to it. Specially given the seismic activity in Mexico City. If anything it would take me a while to get over my nervousness.
Oh, I'm Mexican too and I am a fan.

This guy has not connected the brain with the key board :lol: , just forget what he said ! Nouvel and Pelli have already made projects in Guadalajara, I'm sure that " kool-ass " has made this project thinking that Mexico City is settled in a very sismic zone !!!

It looks ok...
What confuses me are the first page renderings where the bldg. doesnt appear to have a glass facade. In these final renders, it looks as if it will. Congradulations guys.

surely the design will be improved.. you know how this things are. :D

With every new render I see I get more convinced and pleased with this tower... ;)

This guy has not connected the brain with the key board :lol: , just forget what he said ! Nouvel and Pelli have already made projects in Guadalajara, I'm sure that " kool-ass " has made this project thinking that Mexico City is settled in a very sismic zone !!!


First of all,
I am aware of the large project Pelli designed in Guadalajara. I even said Pelli had a pair of towers in MC and you still did not see it. I’m unaware of Nouvel’s project. Please enlighten me. I know he lost out in the Guggenheim competition. If other world class architects have built in Mexico City please enlighten us.

Secondly,
If you had understood my post you would have seen that I specifically said IN Mexico City.

Thirdly,
I NEVER questioned the stability of this tower. I simply stated that I personally, would be a little nervous if I had to work there but that that would soon pass. Maybe other people would be too. I don’t know.

My original response was to the call to change to a Mexican architect simply because that poster did not agree with the design. I wish you will read and fully understand a post before responding to it

i got a bigger render

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t226/urbanity_es/02722d39.jpg

The new renderings look awesome. I'm glad I liked this project from the beginning.:D It'll be a great landmark for MXCITY.

First of all,
I am aware of the large project Pelli designed in Guadalajara. I even said Pelli had a pair of towers in MC and you still did not see it. I’m unaware of Nouvel’s project. Please enlighten me. I know he lost out in the Guggenheim competition. If other world class architects have built in Mexico City please enlighten us.


The Chivas Stadium (u/c)


In reference to this tower at first I did not like it much but then as I began finding out more about it I think it's mind blowing. The context of the tower, its inspiration, the height, the location, the design... I think I'm in love! :kiss:

Well, I've looked at it from every angle, and I must say that I think it's not one of the prettier designs Koolhaas (or his studio) has ever made. But it's high alright.

Wow!!! The Building looks really powerfull, massive, i love it! Hope to be in Mexico City in September 2010 to celebrate the bicentennial celebration!!!

Simply amazing, a great skyscraper for such a great country.

Congrats.:cheers:

I think this design was pulled out of a file cabinet marked, "1970s Building Concepts."

With the right façade, the building could look alright.

However, I think Mexico City deserves a better, more modern looking Supertall than this.

Yes, "tragaluz" means in english something like "skylight", a hole which "seems" will iluminate the inside of some floors.

wow. nice feature. :D

:)

The renders look interesting

Interesting... something diffrent, I like it.

It looks better.

I'm changing my opinion... Maybe is not as ugly as I thought.

That's true, and it was because we first saw Reforma's journal renders, ugly and with poor quality, now we saw the conceptual rendering by Koolhaas! awesomely diferent and with that RK stylish touch.

PostData: Some mexican air authorities are trying to scare with that "dangerous flights trajectory" sh*t..

Para seguir generando polémica:

¿Será un complot contra la torre?

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O simplemente su ubicación arbitraria.

Fuente: Nuevo Excelsior.

It seems they don't have "spacial habilities" to understand the diference between 300 meters (900 ft) and 2, 901 meters (9, 700 fit) !!! :bash:

Nunca faltan los que se oponen a estos grandes proyectos. It will be made although opponents don't want

Kind of seems slightly to much of a good design for mexico city, probably would suit a more futurics skyline such as dubai.

it looks strange and interesting the same time..

Kind of seems slightly to much of a good design for mexico city, probably would suit a more futurics skyline such as dubai.
I don't think its that futuristic looking, after all, according to Mr. Koolhass he based the design on piramids from precolumbian cultures in Mexico.

Retro-futurist? :D

Now the INBA (Mexican Ministry of Culture and Arts) is trying to stop the project because they claim that the building site contains a valuable historic building that serves as a crappy old General Motors car dealer. Bastards, I hope this won't affect the project realization

Isn't a gay nightclub?

It definitely looks retro.

Isn't a gay nightclub?

Nope, it's just a closed gas station and a workshop. The building is falling down by itself... Too deteriorated.

wow, i love it!
that bizarre void running through its centre will be incredible!
Its a great example of OMAs banal-exciting, ugly-amazing way of designing...

The new landmark for Mexico City

Koolhaas :master: Great design, at first I didn't loke it, but then, when the renders appears I realize the wonderful building that will stand in Mexico.

Congrats Mexico :cheers:

I completely love it. It will be the new landmark for the city. It will change Mexico City drastically.

Koolhaas did a perfect design. I think you have to be mexican to like the tower. It reminds me our Aztec roots and the strength of the Mexico people.

So I represent Mexico

I hope they can build the tower and solve all these problems that are causing polemic to the project. I think the tower is great constrcution for the city and the country of México. Is a wonderful way to celebrate 200 years of independance and to have one of the tallest building in Latin America. Great project, desing and height. What else can you ask for?

It's a lil chunky, but overall it will give the city some variation, heck, it would give any city some variation.

Wow, the more I look at it the more I love the design ... simple, sophisticated, monumental ... for sure, it'll be an icon of Mexico City.

The skylight on one side and turning inside the building to come out of another side is just amazing !

Looks great. The tower can easily add to Mexico city's already diverse skyline. :) Fancy buildings, cathedrals, Supertalls, big mountains, and pyamids. Sounds nice, eh?

agree, i think it would fit good in the skyline

I like it in the night shots.
with the day light, it defeinetely looks pregnant.

I think that this project gets a big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: ^^^

Any news?...

I think that this project gets a big BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

:lol: :lol:

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5773/killerpreviowp4.jpg
Yetto

Nice pic..

indeed, and the tower looks good in the skyline

indeed, and the tower looks good in the skyline

yeah a little tall for the skyline but still looks good:)

Awesome view, cuncun, i feel that it would be a little bit lonely, she needs a sister, jajaja.

But, its only my point of view, i sincerely hope that the problems could be solved, i think that the law must be change for build it, we hope the best.

Congratulations to Mexico City.

Yes, RK does not makes designs to joy people or fans, he is one of the few true architects, and in my opinion his architecture and style can be appreciatted just by some few . . .

Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS MEXICO CITY!!!, I want to be there by 2010 !!



Architecture is not just for a few, a true architect needs to give "quality products", that are beautiful for "normal" people, not just for architects.

^^ ?
beauty is beauty. It looks like another great boost for Mexico City. Being different is the only way to be remembered.

I like the close-up and night renders

Is this it?

Mexico plans Latin America's tallest skyscraper

MEXICO CITY, July 24 (Reuters) - Real estate investors including Spain's richest man plan to spend $600 million to build an 85-floor office building in Mexico's capital that would be Latin America's tallest skyscraper.

Construction of the 984-foot (300-metre) glass-paneled building overlooking Mexico City's historic Chapultepec Park should be complete by September 2010 to commemorate two centuries since the start of Mexico's war of independence against Spain, the investors said this week.

Mexican firm Grupo Danhos and an investment fund owned by Spanish billionaire Amancio Ortega, who controls trendy clothing retailer Zara, will own the Torre Bicentenario, or Bicentennial Tower.

Not unusually tall by world standards, the building, designed by Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas, will be roughly the same height as the Eiffel Tower in Paris but shorter than the Empire State Building in New York.

One Mexican newspaper cartoonist mimicked the building, tapered at the top and bottom, as being shaped like a coffin.

Mexico City, susceptible to frequent earthquakes and built over a dried out lake bed that causes some building to sink a about an inch (a few centimetres) each year, has only a handful of skyscrapers.

Canadian real estate mogul Paul Reichmann's 55-floor Torre Mayor, which opened in 2003, is one of Mexico City's relatively few skyscrapers and is currently Latin America's tallest.

"Mexico City needs about 200,000 square meters (yards) of office space a year," Grupo Danhos chief executive Jorge Gamboa told Reuters. That would be the equivalent of about seven typical 25-floor office towers.

Gamboa downplayed comments by Mexico City legislator Gabriela Cuevas that the construction plan requires changes to zoning regulations that have yet to be approved.

"At the moment, this building is nothing more than an idea on paper," Cuevas told Reuters on Tuesday.

The owners expect to rent space in the building to high-profile corporate clients for about $30 a square meter (yard) a month, in line with current leases at Mexico City's most exclusive office buildings.

Is this it?



Yes it is. But we can't call it the highest since we don't know its final height and the Costanera in Santiago will be 300 meters too.

^^ Yeah and also Los Faros de Panamá will be 346m and is already under construction in Panama city, but it will sure be on the top 5 in L.A.

I hope they build the tower it looks amazing and impressive. I watched the mexican news and there is a lot of polemic around this tower. I also heard that the senators of the city have to approve the tower to be build.

Costanera Center is designed by César Pelli, and Torre Bicentenario by Rem Koolhaas.

By the way, César Pelli is running out of ideas!!!! You see, Saint Regis Tower in Mexico City is similar to the Seville Proyect in Seville, Spain. Then we have Torre Cristal in Madrid and Torre Repsol in Buenos Aires. Residencial del Bosque Twin Towers in Mexico City and Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Three World Financial Center in New York and One Canada Square in London, A new tall tower in Abu Dhabi, and Q1 (Q1, however, was not designed by Pelli ) and finally, Torre Costanera in Santiago de Chile and San Francisco Supertall proposal in SF, US. So, he is running dry..... so sad. He is a great architect, but all this towers look quite similar.

:bash: Think Pelli, Think!

Looks like it has a "bilge"...kind of gross.

More graphic information...

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http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/cinnamons81/lam6.jpg

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Wow, the view from those office is gonna be amazing..

It took a while for me to get used to it, but now that I´m in taste with the building I can see it has a really clever and functional design.

Saludos!!

Isn't that big hole going to act like a big drain pipe?:) When it rains it's going to look like the building is peeing.:jk:

^^Not funny at all.

^^
HAHAHAHA you're right! hahaha i can just imagine it! :lol:

but it's not the tallest in latin america, remember costanera center

^^
Un extracto de la entrevista realizada por foristas de SSP al representante de Grupo Dahnos (inversora de la torre)

¿La torre medirá 300 metros?

Sí, es la altura mínima que estamos manejando. El tamaño del entrepiso que estamos calculando nos permitiría alcanzar dicha altura. Además habrán pisos que tendrán una altura superior a la normal.

____________

An extract from SSP forumers interview to the representative part of Grupo Dahnos (investing company)

The tower will measure 300 meters?

Yes, it is the minimum altitude that we are handling. The size of the floors that we are calculating would allow us to reach this height. In addition there will be floors that will have a superior height to the normal ones.

but the height of costanera can also increase, but people haven't given official information, according to rumors they only said that the tower could support 500 meters and that it's present height could increase.
i think it's going to be a war between these towers until 2010. anyway both towers are impressive.

i cant understand what they are saying in a picture. :(

^^ Which one?

the shape is futuristic.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/cinnamons81/lam6.jpg



??

That architect must have been smoking a big doobie when he came up with that design.

Strange.

This building looks fucking awful. :down:

??
;)
Is not that hard
Aire = Air
Luz = Light
Vistas = Views
Parques = Parks
Ciudad = City

??

It says this:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/cinnamons81/lam6.jpg

"Skyscrapers tend to commit their characteristics, the vestibules typically create dramatic spaces in the interior, hidden of the city that surrounds them. Here, am empty space cuts through the widest section of the building providing access to natural light and ventilation, creating a relation between the buildings by which it crosses.

A design of reflexing glass panels cover a 50% of the inner surface that minimalices the penetration of light. The empty space twistes in its intermediate point opening itself in its inferior part towards the park and in the superior one towards the city. Beyond of exacerbate the isolation of the skyscraper, it connects it with his surroundings."

OMG did u read that? i cant even see what it says.. haha i thought he was asking for the words airs, light etc... hehe

I like the inside. Congrats to Mex!
Building up the Latin America skyscrapers race...

OMG did u read that? i cant even see what it says.. haha i thought he was asking for the words airs, light etc... hehe

Maybe you need new glasses... ;)

Yoryi, alex. hehe. thx for the info. :D

[QUOTE=PopolVuh!;14401476]
I also can't quite understand why this design has had so much negative opinions for its shape because, personally, when I first saw the renderings, I thought it was incredible. But, of course there's always people who are unable to undestand art and good design.

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:nuts: So says latintrashfreak.

^^^ yea. i agree. i really like the tragaluz.

I hate this project!!

That facade is going to look awful imo.

That architect must have been smoking a big doobie when he came up with that design.

Strange.

yup ^.^
:nuts:
his boss should :bash: him...
it looks so bad

U dont understand, this is ART..

yup ^.^
:nuts:
his boss should :bash: him...
it looks so bad

Rem Koolhaas is the BOSS of architecture...

;)

it seems like a pregnant woman hahaha

U dont understand, this is ART..

I hate to tell you this but many of us are highly educated people and lovers of art.Even a great architect can come up with crap sometimes.I like the building(up to a point) and people are allowed to like what they want but I get the impression that some people are becoming desperate to convince others that they spent a fortune on a dud.

wow, the atrium will look awesome!!

Isn't that big hole going to act like a big drain pipe?:) When it rains it's going to look like the building is peeing.:jk:

It's going to look more as if it's water broke...

FUG! totally should be called "torre de preggas!"

It's going to look more as if it's water broke...



hahahahahahaha :rofl:

I think this whole thread should be deleted it's so stupid:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

wow, i had no idea how that widow like hole was going to be, i would love to see it when is finished

I actually like this tower!

i like the tower... very original!!! :)

but the height of costanera can also increase, but people haven't given official information, according to rumors they only said that the tower could support 500 meters and that it's present height could increase.
i think it's going to be a war between these towers until 2010. anyway both towers are impressive.

You are also forgeting Los Faros de Panamá, already under construction and 346 m tall, and other proposals for Panama City, including Megapolis probably above 400m, Planetarium Tower above 300m also, so I think the war is going to be more than just 2 skyscrapers here in L.A. and I´m sure that more proposals will show up in the next few months and not only from this 3 countries, Dominican Republic is algo constructing big don´t forget that.

i dont know..is like a burrito

^^ So then it looks quite Texan for you...

;)

i like the tower... very original!!! :)

stupid

That's true, and it was because we first saw Reforma's journal renders, ugly and with poor quality, now we saw the conceptual rendering by Koolhaas! awesomely diferent and with that RK stylish touch.

PostData: Some mexican air authorities are trying to scare with that "dangerous flights trajectory" sh*t..



It seems they don't have "spacial habilities" to understand the diference between 300 meters (900 ft) and 2, 901 meters (9, 700 fit) !!! :bash:



Am afraid of this statement as usually people (goverment here) that take the building construction decision in this type of ¨special proyects" are usually the most ignorant in the area...and this can result in a strong obstacle for authorizing the construction of the tower.

Well just remember the 2901 meters mark it is consider above sea level. remember MEX its way high over the ocean, ..anyway, planes over the chapultepec area I had seen them flying at a much higher altitude, I will post a video of a plane flying in that landing pattern

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Boeing_747-400-Airline_Lufthansa_Aviation_Video-7608.html

We can see torre mayor and the other chapultepec buildings way down, if a plane was flying close to bicentenario it means it was in deep bu$%^it problems anyway...

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t226/urbanity_es/02722d39.jpg

BEAUTIFUL!!! :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! :D

stupid

BEAUTIFUL!!! :D

Yes that's a beautiful render of the building:)

sin ofender a nadie , me parece una completa aberración nada mas por el lugar donde esta , ademas que se ve tan cara de construir que me pareceria inutil hacerla.

^^ but of course.I'm sure we all understand what you just said

:okay:

i like the tower... very original!!! :)

sin ofender a nadie , me parece una completa aberración nada mas por el lugar donde esta , ademas que se ve tan cara de construir que me pareceria inutil hacerla.

Ni modo, hay opiniones... iwal a ti no t gusta, pero sí a varios.

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http://www.paulnugent.com/images/Easter_-_Web_5.jpg

:)

i like it

^^ :lol: ............. :sleepy: :ohno:

I hope they approve the tower, because it looks great. A wonderful design and a great height.

I really can't make up my mind.some renders look nice but then that hole really bothers me.Guess I can't say for sure till it's completely built.

I think the hole is the best part of the tower. :D

i like it

stupid

^^Oh yeah! Now we're talkin...

porque esta tan... hay no se ... gordita?

oh dear god:ohno: ^^

porque esta tan... hay no se ... gordita?
Asi es el diseno.

^^Oh yeah! Now we're talkin...

:blahblah:

me gusta mucho el disenio

Please use English when posting the World Development News forum. Thanks.

So much for the "world" part.

I don't like a lot the design of the tower, but is good

I just readed the newest edition of Proceso (Mexican weekly magazine), and they show an excellent render of the Bicentenario Tower!!, actually it is a "maqueta" picture ! ( i don´t know how to say "maqueta" in english) :lol:

I just readed the newest edition of Proceso (Mexican weekly magazine), and they show an excellent render of the Bicentenario Tower!!, actually it is a "maqueta" picture ! ( i don´t know how to say "maqueta" in english) :lol:

Can you post the image (if you have already scanned it)?

Please use English when posting the World Development News forum. Thanks.

I have seen many forumers posting in English on English non speaking local forums (Spain, Latin America, etc) and altough writing in English is a rule of etiquette on world forums, it shouldn't be a most since it excludes the voice and opinions of many forumers of non english speaking countries that haven't had the privilege of having a bilingual education, just as many english native speakers don't speak other language but theirs (since the rest of the world is doing its homework why bother...).

Anyhow most comments on world forums are already in english and some posts that are not written in english should be tolerated.

Cheers,

I have seen many forumers posting in English on English non speaking local forums (Spain, Latin America, etc) and altough writing in English is a rule of etiquette on world forums, it shouldn't be a most since it excludes the voice and opinions of many forumers of non english speaking countries that haven't had the privilege of having a bilingual education, just as many english native speakers don't speak other language but theirs (since the rest of the world is doing its homework why bother...).

Anyhow most comments on world forums are already in english and some posts that are not written in english should be tolerated.

Cheers,

Totally agree

I just readed the newest edition of Proceso (Mexican weekly magazine), and they show an excellent render of the Bicentenario Tower!!, actually it is a "maqueta" picture ! ( i don´t know how to say "maqueta" in english) :lol:


I think this is the one you are talking about . Thanks chitabaca .



http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4255/proceso4rm8.jpg


By the way , you can say " a model" or so

whoo. amazing building.

So much for the "world" part.

:rofl:

if there were no holes and the bottom looked like the base of shell plaza in houston
then I would like it:cheers:

Mexico plans Latin America's tallest skyscraper



Mexico City, susceptible to frequent earthquakes and built over a dried out lake bed that causes some building to sink a about an inch (a few centimetres) each year, has only a handful of skyscrapers.

Canadian real estate mogul Paul Reichmann's 55-floor Torre Mayor, which opened in 2003, is one of Mexico City's relatively few skyscrapers and is currently Latin America's tallest.



wow, obviamente escrito por alguien que nunca a caminado por reforma or visitado polanco, chaultepec o santa fe. en lo personal me encata el diseño y creo que propone tradicion de arquitectura vanguardista de la capital.

for monolinguists:

wow, obviously written by someone who has never walked down reforma or visited polanco, chapultepec or santa fe. i like the design and it maintains mexico city's tradition of avant-garde architecture.

Few Skyscraper?? haha

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4821/mexicoskylinedepolancoag3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/9544/mexicoskylinemexico2007rl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:banana: :banana: :banana:

nice. are they gonna build them all? :D

nice. are they gonna build them all? :D

some skyscrapres are built today... others skyscrapers are under construction now... and some are proposed

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

really don't like its...."tragaluz"....ew

This thing is hideous. I had hoped for more from CdM.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4821/mexicoskylinedepolancoag3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


^^ this image is very good :okay:.....

Congratulations, Mexico city, I hope this project is constructed in the 2010;)

It's a weird building, but new style. I like it!

OMA have a lot of great works , but not this one.
also those two holes r making the building uglier.

Isn't Mexico Central america?? :?

nope, Mexico is north america too....... that's why mexico has the NAFTA

NorthAmerican Free Trade Agreement

Isn't Mexico Central america?? :?
OMG i can't believe it, a South American asking such a question..:nuts:

Looks like the tower got knocked up!

Isn't Mexico Central america?? :?

so ignorant!...just look at an enciclopedia man!

Isn't Mexico Central america?? :?

Central America IS NORTH AMERICA TOO!!! DAMN

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5861/mexicocitybicentenariosn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5295/mexico473144torre20bicebs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2623/mexicobicentenarioimageec4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

haha, Senora Obesa.

Central America IS NORTH AMERICA TOO!!! DAMN

Yap, but North America is not Central America, and that´s why Mexico is not considered a Central American country, but central american countries are considered to be in the north part of the continent limited south from north of course by the panama canal.

Bigger version of some of the images:

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/1384_1_1000%20OMA%20Torre%201.jpg

More.. (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=1384)

Central America = Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama

South of Mexico, north of South America.

Bigger version of some of the images:

http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/1384_1_1000%20OMA%20Torre%201.jpg

More.. (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=1384)

massive

Central America = Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama

South of Mexico, north of South America.

Mexico isn't part of South America. Mexico is North America too.

what was the hightest tower of mexico before this one ?

btw congratulations for this beautiful tower

wat is the tragaluz ? wat is the purpes of that ?

Wow, I really like this design. Somewhat classic, yet very fresh. :)

its ugly, fat and has a black facade! Please, please don't built this!

wat is the tragaluz ? wat is the purpes of that ?

its like a skylight