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Peel Plan Liverpool Whopper

Published on 2007-07-27

Only weeks after Liverpool set a new height record with a proposal for a tall building, it looks like being broken again, this time by developer Peel.

Located literally in the Princes Dock near the likes of the under construction Alexandra Tower and the finished City Lofts Tower, the proposal will be built on an island surrounded by water in the middle of the dock and connected to the dockside by a pathway.

The tower on an island has been on the plans for the area since they first surfaced but with the specifications of sixty floors of the project has been put to four architects practises - AFL, Broadway Malyan, Chapman Taylor and Benoy who will be all competing to deliver a landmark scheme that Peel like the look of. If built, it is set to be the tallest tower in the United Kingdom outside of London, trumping Manchester's 188 metre tall Inacity Tower.

Called the Shanghai Tower in recognition of the links between Liverpool and Shanghai including their similar historical waterfronts, it will have 93,000 square metres of space including Liverpool's first five star hotel not to mention a helipad on the roof and basement parking underwater in the dock. Yellow submarines will be optional.

Despite big ideas Peel do however have a poor record of delivering skyscraper projects with all their previous proposals including the Quay Point Towers in Manchester having failed to shape up to the initial big announcements.

As to whether this one hits the same problems as Quay Point or continues the momentum that Liverpool's waterfront is now getting, only time will tell.

This is an exciting time for Liverpool. Here's the other tower, proposed just a couple of weeks ago -

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=497926

2 new tallest buildings in 2 weeks... nice going Liverpool! :cheers:

As it contains offices, this could very well turn out to be the UK's first 200m+ tower outside London. And all this just a week after a 170m tower was announced for the city. I think we know which city in the UK will have the best skyline after London then:)

To give an idea of height:

What the tower could look like along with the other planned towers (impression by JDN21)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3684/liverpool2012ps3.jpg

Thats a photoshopped jinmao :)

As it contains offices, this could very well turn out to be the UK's first 200m+ tower outside London. And all this just a week after a 170m tower was announced for the city. I think we know which city in the UK will have the best skyline after London then:)


I beg to differ. Liverpool's had huge hurdles just to get a 140m tower. It's going to take a while for this to get approval but it should if they are persistant and dont give up like alot of other things Peel do.

They are'nt the most reliable but 50% of thier projects to break ground and I hope this is one of them. However on the skyline front. I would watch out for Manchester within the next 3/4 weeks.

Something without 'candy shop' cladding this time please.

Thats a photoshopped jinmao :)

No, really? Your kidding me.

;)

All but the 170m and 200m+ towers are either built, U/C or approved so it's already good

good news for Liverpool, the competition is only just starting with Liverpool/Leeds/Manchester/Birmingham. Equally good news that Brum's also got a 200m observation tower down the pipeline too.

That is going to be a nice skyline!

That city needs some hight, fingers crossed

nice to see that, but unfortunately nothing is finished when i move to liverpool in September

Can't see Liverpool's authorities approving this, but if they do, fantastic news... would be amazing to have a 200m+ up here.

Something without 'candy shop' cladding this time please.

I hope so too. I'm not a big fan of the cladding on Beetham West.

However on the skyline front. I would watch out for Manchester within the next 3/4 weeks.

Would you like to enlighten us on this theory Molly ? :) Sounds interesting

Its not really going to be called 'shanghai tower' is it?
say it aint so!

edit-just read the article....
so just because they have similar waterfronts, they name it after shanghai? incredible.

^^ http://www.l-s-p.org.uk/default.htm

Its not really going to be called 'shanghai tower' is it?
say it aint so!

I agree - sister city or otherwise - I reckon the name's bloody ridiculous.

wooww

I agree - sister city or otherwise - I reckon the name's bloody ridiculous.

Twinned cities who's trade goes back a long time. The Bund in Shanghai actually has buildings which are basically replicas of Liverpool buildings, the least we can do is name a tower (which was inspired by shanghai) after them..

Liverpool:
http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/1876/2559026380099842945S425x425Q85.jpg

Shanghai:
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/mar2005/8/9/0009D493-C9D4-1231-BA7D80BFB6FA0000.jpg
http://www.djcdesign.co.uk/portfolio/liverpool/images/Port_of_liverpool_at_night.JPG

;)

I've long recognised the similarity between the Liver Building and the Bund - or Waitan - in Shanghai. Nevertheless, naming the proposed tallest building in Liverpool, 'Shanghai Tower', still strikes me as being over the top. Perhaps the city on the Huangpu will reciprocate?

What would you lot suggest for a name then? There's an India Buildings, a Kingston House etc. What is so wrong with Shanghai?

For the city's tallest - what about the Liverpool Tower or Mersey Building?

A bit bland though don't you think? Don't say anything about the cultural and commercial links of this city. For an example, please look up Pueto de Liverpool, Mexico. That's recognition of history, right there. :)

Those were just a couple of names off the cuff. I guess the point I was making is that the city's highest structure would be better off named with something unequivocally Liverpudlian. Anyway, is it essential that the building has an historical moniker?

I think so. Otherwise it could just be another off the shelf anywheresville tower. I know they were off the cuff suggestions, but the sad thing is a lot of new developments have bland names chosen by committee. The Marine Way Bridge in Southport; One Park West, Liverpool. I'd hope that by naming it Shanghai Tower it'd maybe make people think about what was in the dock before it. :cheers:

Besides, who says that it'll stay the citys tallest for long?? ;)

anyone have a render? maybe it will be a scraper based on jin mao;
a new 400m+ scraper for liverpool wouldnt be out of the question here

Jin Mao is very unique to China, as is the Petronas in Kuala Lumpur, B Dubai in Dubai etc

we need something that is liverpool

a huge liver bird:)

wow quite a suprise for liverpool!

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/1968/515591165nz.jpg

very liverpool

Twinned cities who's trade goes back a long time. The Bund in Shanghai actually has buildings which are basically replicas of Liverpool buildings, the least we can do is name a tower (which was inspired by shanghai) after them..

Liverpool:
http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/1876/2559026380099842945S425x425Q85.jpg

Shanghai:
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/icliverpool/mar2005/8/9/0009D493-C9D4-1231-BA7D80BFB6FA0000.jpg
http://www.djcdesign.co.uk/portfolio/liverpool/images/Port_of_liverpool_at_night.JPG

;)


A few more images:

Shanghai Custom House, 1925-1927.
http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/shanghai/shabundindex.htm
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7030/shanghaucustomhouse1925ct8.jpg




The former Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Building, 1921-1923. It now is the Pudong Devlopment Bank.
http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/shanghai/shabundindex.htm
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4788/theformerhongkongandshauu3.jpg


Both together:


http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/5097/shanghaibundqg0.jpg

:)

Shanghai tower is still very much an outline proposal at the moment and it will probably be two months before we see any renders. Then, we should have four sets to choose from as it will be an architectural competition. Whether the citizens of Liverpool have a say in which is finally chosen remains to be seen however.

As for the name - sounds great to me. Better than just naming it after the developer a la Beetham Tower or plumping for John Lennon Tower. We want to celebrate our global connections and what better way than the first sight of Liverpool that people sailing down the Mersey will see?

i think shanghai tower sounds quite cool. better than the generic names given to most towers.

Liverpool skyline is beautiful!and it would be more..

Just a bit of news on this project, thanks to philly

Hi guys, l joined the forum months ago, made a couple of posts but have been a serial lurker since! Anyway, I just thought I'd draw your attention to some snippets of interesting and positive bits of information I came across today in the new LDP Business magazine. If anyone has a copy, there is a double page spread (pp. 66-67) on progress with the Shanghai Towers scheme. It mentions that Peel has been in talks with a Chinese business about financing and occupying its proposed tower, adding, "The North West property group wants to form a joint venture deal with China Container Shipping Line, a multi-national group based in Shanghai. Its a state controlled enterprise that operates 440 vessels and has 260 branch offices around the world... Peel has been flagging up the scheme to interest groups and says it has received positive feedback so far. It currently has teams of designers and traffic consultants drawing up a mini masterplan which should be published later this year. It's possible a full planning application could be lodged later next year."

I've tried searching on the new LDP website for a link to the article, but to no avail! It's quite extensive so, I'm just quoting the main bits!

There are two further Liverpool Waters related articles in the mag. One, on page 10, reports that Peel could have a planning application for a "proper cruise terminal" ready within 3 months. By proper, it goes on to explain that, in contrast to the berth which opened last September, this one would be complete with passenger facilites and baggage handling, enabling it to be a point of departure, rather than just a port of call.

On page 6 of the magazine, there is an article on Peel's attempts to clear the King Edward Industrial Estate of tenants. Apparently, they face opposition from some of the tenants, most notably Printfine, which is described as Liverpool's fastest growing company. The article also makes reference to Peel's objection to the King Edward Tower on the grounds that it would detract from its own scheme.

Anyway, just thought I'd let you know about these snippets of information. News like this plays down the notion that Liverpool Waters is a pie in the sky development and makes me more confident that the plans will come to fruition!

On a wider point, for those of you who can get hold of it, the magazine is really informative and great for Liverpool regeneration nerds like me! There's a section looking at the economic impact of Capital of Culture and another highlighting the potential trade links between Liverpool and China. All in all, a great read!

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5458/shanghaiarticlescanjv7fw5.jpg

I think there will be many years we could even hope for a start on this by the looks of it.

i think shanghai tower sounds quite cool. better than the generic names given to most towers.

Well at least its not one of those stupid names,the likes of barret choose for there developments.Like Manyo in Salford.

:lol::lol:

Well at least its not one of those stupid names,the likes of barret choose for there developments.Like Manyo in Salford.

:lol::lol:

Congratulations.....you win this months 'Most Pointless Ressurection Of A Dead Thread' award.

WOW this is great news for Liverpool! :) It's about time Liverpool gets another tally!

Congratulations.....you win this months 'Most Pointless Ressurection Of A Dead Thread' award.

I don't want this thread to dead though.
And besides the designs will be released soon.
we hope.

http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/editors/2008/10/06/liverpools-shanghai-tower/

This has been written today, I'm not sure whether this is good news in terms of the tower going ahead or at least the planning alive. The artists impression is a bit out considering from what I've heard the King Edward Tower is dead and buried... so this might be an old artists impression?

Myself given the collapse of the few tall tower initiatives beforehand, I think there's a very small chance of this actually getting past the planning phase.

To give an idea of height:

What the tower could look like along with the other planned towers (impression by JDN21)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3684/liverpool2012ps3.jpg

Oh wow can't think of anything to say, top best skyline any day.

http://www.chinaeconomicreview.com/editors/2008/10/06/liverpools-shanghai-tower/

This has been written today, I'm not sure whether this is good news in terms of the tower going ahead or at least the planning alive. The artists impression is a bit out considering from what I've heard the King Edward Tower is dead and buried... so this might be an old artists impression?



That artist impression comes from this thread in the skyscrapercity forum. :D
Nice to see it appear in the press.

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o.o another shanghai tower? haha but this one is in uk

So when will the second jin mao tower be build in liverpool:lol::lol: ( there is one in the render)
I cant believe the press used that "render".

The press didn't, it was made by a forumer as a massing render. This isn't Dubai:ohno:

couldnt they think of a .... more original name?

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Any further news on whether this has been approved or not?

enit lol it will be well good if liverpool get a tower of this height :)

The developer has confirmed it is still commited to the project and is seeking a partner to help finance the tower. They say when built, it will be 67 storeys.

Will Birmingham or Liverpool win the race to build the UKs first 200m + skyscraper outside London???????? And no Manchester in this race at the moment, lol