What do you reckon to this, fellow mancs?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=1029

Good news if it goes ahead, eh!?

Flippin' eck! 200m?!

Fair play to them - I hope it goes ahead. But where's our 200m+ tower going to come from? I want one now! *stomps feet like petulant child* :)

Until any tower is on site ,, its not going to happen . :)

We'll see :)

Knowing the authorities in Liverpool, I'd have to agree it is unlikely, but we can cross our fingers for them, eh?

In you're heart you knnoowww it's going to happen, Risey.

Knowing the authorities in Liverpool, I'd have to agree it is unlikely, but we can cross our fingers for them, eh?

Things seem to have changed in that respect, Jonty. The leader of the council, young Warren, has been quoted as being very impressed by and enthusiastic about the plans.

I think it could be really great if the design is good and it will show up that awful Beetham Tower for what it is an ugly bloody thing with nothing going for it.

And it will be bigger (I think) than that Inacity or Eastgate or whatever it's called this week - although that's a virtual building existing only in cyberspace and likely to remain so. :lol:

As ive just said on the scouse forum - Liverpool has much better development opportunities in terms of brownfield and great locations.

Unless a couple of biggies are announced in Manchester soon i would say Liverpool will start to outshine us.

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It could be 800m tall for all I care, I'd rather see a skyline like this than a cluster of skyscrapers at one end of town.

In you're heart you knnoowww it's going to happen, Risey.

I really hope it does fella ,, but me and you live in the real world , so i never say anything until i see proof . ( you know what i mean )

I really hope it does fella ,, but me and you live in the real world , so i never say anything until i see proof . ( you know what i mean )

Agree 100%

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It could be 800m tall for all I care, I'd rather see a skyline like this than a cluster of skyscrapers at one end of town.


Couldn`t they have built them any closer ? :lol: like this..............

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Isaac, ( tad bitter:ohno: ) both superb waterfronts, but gives us a chance we are just getting started on this Skyscraper lark. So come back in 5 years :ohno:

Not an attack on Liverpool, I don't like clusters surrounded by flatness. I like density. I apply the same logic to Manchester, (an 800m tower in Manchester would look ridiculous by the way, as does Singapore)

I hope they don't get to attached to it I really can't see it happening. Peel don't stick to anything they plan.

I hope they don't get to attached to it I really can't see it happening. Peel don't stick to anything they plan.

That'll be why they are so unsuccesful (worth £2bn) and John Whitaker isnt one of the richest men in the country! :ohno:

That'll be why they are so unsuccesful (worth £2bn) and John Whitaker isnt one of the richest men in the country! :ohno:

Longy your no vegetable.(and if you are, your an intelligent one :) ) It's one thing building a 200 metre tower, but it's another thing filling it. Considering the King Edward tower is also moving forward, where are all these residents/businesses/workers going to come from to sustain both of these proposals?

Just a couple of thoughts. Peel have a guaranteed 10-15,000 residents/workers at Mediacity, yet none of the residential proposals(towers) as far as we know come anywhere near the magic 200 metre mark. Why? Surly, if there ever was a case or a location for the first 200 metre tower outside of London, this (site) would be it.

No1 Hardman Square(office tower) has been on the drawing board for years. At 30 stories it's tiddler compared to Peel's 200 metre proposal, yet Allied have stated they won't build it until they have a significant prelet.(understandable) Again, this proposal/site is situated in the middle of Manchester/Spinningfields surrounded by other numerous financial and law companies.

Like I said, it's one thing talking this baby up, but it's another thing building it and filling it.

Just a couple of thoughts. Peel have a guaranteed 10-15,000 residents/workers at Mediacity, yet none of the residential proposals(towers) as far as we know come anywhere near the magic 200 metre mark. Why? Surly, if there ever was a case or a location for the first 200 metre tower outside of London, this (site) would be it.


The type of people who will work at Media City, especially those transferred from London will have the finances to live in a house.

Most people I know only live in a flat (including myself) because we cannot afford a house.

Even Europeans who are used to living in blocks tend to crave a house, and those who can afford it have weekend homes outside the city.

A 200m tower will look great in Liverpool but there is a danger it could do to parts of Liverpool the same thing the Arndale centre did to Oldham St.

Manchester needs a 200+ meter tower for sure (good luck to the L'pool one and any others outside London) and it's a real shame that so many low rise, all rather similar, dull looking things....have flooded the Manc market with mediocrity.

I for one would be more than happy to live in tall tower and as a European flat dweller I don't think I've ever heard of anyone "craving to live in a house" (though I'm sure it must be some peoples ambition).

I've also got a friend who has moved into the Beetham in Manchester and it is so absolutely stunning to see the views from there that I requested a brochure for Eastgate/Inacity....which incidently hasn't arrived yet!

So while pre-filling the buildings is obviously wise, can't help but stand by the feeling that super(ish)talls would be a real landmark that occupants would be happy to come flocking to.....

That'll be why they are so unsuccesful (worth £2bn) and John Whitaker isnt one of the richest men in the country! :ohno:

Well they have planned a number of things and nothing has happened with them. The only thing I can think of that is big that they have built is the Trafford Centre. I cannot think of anything else. They own some airports and ports but that's different to building a skyscraper and they haven't built one yet. That is a fact!

Well considering the fact the Trafford Centre was built at a cost of nearly £1 BILLION, then it's a drop in the Ocean for Peel to build one Skyscraper.

Well they have planned a number of things and nothing has happened with them. The only thing I can think of that is big that they have built is the Trafford Centre. I cannot think of anything else. They own some airports and ports but that's different to building a skyscraper and they haven't built one yet. That is a fact!

Do you actually know anything about Peel and what they do?
There is much more to Peel than Dumplington Precinct - hence them being worth £2bn.
Peel have the ability to build several skyscrapers should they wish too. They just choose not to.
You seem to dismiss 'only' building the Trafford Centre as though they had put a conservatory on the back of their house. Think of it a skyscraper lay on its side.....only bigger!
Peel are serious operators and i must admit that even I have drawn attention to their lack of action on some of their ideas but that isnt to say they arent capable of doing all the things they want to.
Do not underestimate Peel.

Do you actually know anything about Peel and what they do?
There is much more to Peel than Dumplington Precinct - hence them being worth £2bn.
Peel have the ability to build several skyscrapers should they wish too. They just choose not to.
You seem to dismiss 'only' building the Trafford Centre as though they had put a conservatory on the back of their house. Think of it a skyscraper lay on its side.....only bigger!
Peel are serious operators and i must admit that even I have drawn attention to their lack of action on some of their ideas but that isnt to say they arent capable of doing all the things they want to.
Do not underestimate Peel.

I know alot about Peel, they own alot of land, a number of airports and number of ports. Seems you don't because they are infact worth more like £5.5 Billion. If Peel don't want to build skyscrapers please explain why they keep planning them? Seems abit weird to me and it also seems like a waste of money!

Also don't forget little Beetham are not massive infrastructure and asset owners like Peel, but seem well capable of building tall buildings all over the U.K.

So if Beetham can do it, then it must be even easier for Peel to raise the money to build big, maybe they don't have the know how of Beetham.

As far as I know the tower will be submitted to the council after a design has been chosen. I'm sure I read somewhere that Peel have never had a proposal which wasn't approved. Don't forget they've increased Liverpool airport's passenger numbers/routes/profits by a large amount in a small time. They've done the Trafford center, they own the £1bn Glasgow Harbour scheme, the Port of Liverpool..

What could stop them from building a skyscraper? I don't see any logic behind that claim. They've got the attitude, the land, the respect, the support from the authorities and most deffinitely the dosh..

A 200m tower will look great in Liverpool but there is a danger it could do to parts of Liverpool the same thing the Arndale centre did to Oldham St. Say again? Isn't the proposed Shanghai Tower located in a designated highrise zone and isn't Princes Dock an extension to the business district and isn't the proposed tower to be a multi functional building? A couple of hundred yards south will be the Grosvenor Henderson Liverpool 1 development linked by the Strand and bookcased by the new Cesar Pelli building with nary a shopping mall to be found. The existing Liverpool Met and St Johns Precinct, shopping malls, are slightly more distant and neither have impacted, adversely, on Liverpool's main shopping area. I think your fears are groundless, or is it wishful thinking.;)

tall buildings does not a great city make, its the people between the buildings who make a city great.


and liverpool will always be full of scousers, unlucky.

^^ youre right, and that what makes it great :lol:

Say again? Isn't the proposed Shanghai Tower located in a designated highrise zone and isn't Princes Dock an extension to the business district and isn't the proposed tower to be a multi functional building? A couple of hundred yards south will be the Grosvenor Henderson Liverpool 1 development linked by the Strand and bookcased by the new Cesar Pelli building with nary a shopping mall to be found. The existing Liverpool Met and St Johns Precinct, shopping malls, are slightly more distant and neither have impacted, adversely, on Liverpool's main shopping area. I think your fears are groundless, or is it wishful thinking.;)

from a commercial property point of view, or maybe not, there's never any harm in competition.

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It could be 800m tall for all I care, I'd rather see a skyline like this than a cluster of skyscrapers at one end of town. But I doubt whether your home town will aspire to either.:lol:

Oldham? For once you might be correct, Sloyne.

(an 800m tower in Manchester would look ridiculous by the way, as does Singapore) But Singapore's skyline is an ongoing work in progress and other talls are planned so that the Raffles Place building won't stand out as much. Anyway, when viewed approaching Singapore from the Malacca Strait, the skyline is stunning. And if seen when the sun is setting over Sumatra the reflection of the sun off the building is nothing short of magic.

Perhaps Peel are saving their 210m Manchester tower for Pomona? :wink2: Then again they've sat on Pomona for decades and done f*** all with it. Even their one proposal that we've seen never made it past the planning/ render stage.

A company from over here, that's doing rather well over there. (bitter:lol:)

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A company from over here, that's doing rather well over there. (bitter:lol:)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/7-1.jpg

Picture by Blue Dress Devoted to Mode's photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluedressdevotedtomode/420350574/

Theres a point. If Shanghai tower is built before King Edward Tower then Liverpool would have had it's first skyscraper built by a manc company, and Manchester would have had it's first skyscraper built by a scouse company :nuts:

I always seem to notice this trend in the Police aswell, when a Gtr Manchester Police officer is on tele they are usually scouse, while the Merseyside Police officers seem to be mancs.. It's a sick world where mancs and scousers can intertwine. :D

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My god that waterfront NEEDS to be sorted out. So much potential. Throw them warehouses into the feckin water and let em sink.

Well I'm happy for them (Liverpool not Peel, who as a former Trafford Centre wage slave can in my opinion fuck off and die) but I'm not going to say any more until we can see what it'll look like.

isn't there a 225m tower rumored for Manchester? Sure there was...

Oldham? For once you might be correct, Sloyne.

It's only missing the man made portion, the hills in the background are already in place. Stranger things have happened and it's immune to rising sea levels.

Remember, Oldham's only 200 miles from London and 400 miles from Paris.

I won't be going back though.

And Singapore still looks ridiculous, a high rise industrial estate.

Unless I marry a southern girl, I will go back to Formby. If they allow us to work from home I'll do it in the next year or so. But they probably won't, yet.

Formby eh, very posh too.

And Singapore still looks ridiculous, a high rise industrial estate. A matter of personal taste I guess. Most of Singapore's industry is located in places like Jurong and along the Bukit Temor Road. Singapore is, if not the safest and cleanest city on earth then, among the top two. The downtown area along the old docks is the business section and a very vibrant commercial area. They have even maintained the old money changing bazaar and created a new 'Change Alley' between two skyscrapers. I bet there are more stores in the Orchard and Scott Road area of the city than in any English provincial city. Strolling around the Raffles Hotel and St Andrews cathedral area, only for the heat and palm trees, is just like strolling around downtown Christchurch in New Zealand. Singapore has Hindu temples to rival anything in the homeland and mosques with architecture as magnificent as can be found anywhere in Arabia and Buddhist shrines in abundance and all complemented by Christian churches. The old Chinese community around the market, bus terminal and Pitt Street area has been lovingly preserved and, although the buildings are ancient and weather beaten, are immaculately clean. Public transit is efficient, safe and clean and anyone who has transited Changi Airport and doesn't acclaim it as one of the best in the world is either a drunk or a liar. The Singapore highway overpasses are covered with a forest of foliage with nary a piece of grey concrete to be seen. Sentosa Island is a fantastic vantage point to view the city's skyline and you are the only person I know of who dislikes it. But then that is quite understandable, knowing just what a fantastic skyline you view every day.:)

you are the only person I know of who dislikes it. But then that is quite understandable, knowing just what a fantastic skyline you view every day.:)

You're proably right, Canary Wharf is one of the dullest skylines ever built and seems peek over every roof top in Muswell Hill.

You're proably right, Canary Wharf is one of the dullest skylines ever built and seems peek over every roof top in Muswell Hill. But like I said, It's a matter of personal taste and reiterate, you are the only person I know of who dislikes Singapore's skyline. Might I suggest you visit the attached link, it might just change your mind. The first album is of the business district and skyline of Singapore. Enjoy.:)
http://www.molon.de/galleries/Singapore/

PS: The spectacular views of the skyline are taken from the vantage of Sentosa Island. I'm at a loss as to how someone would not like this city and it's skyline or other built environment.

To clustered for me (the skyline that is) reminds me of Toronto and I don't like clusters I prefer spread outs.

Like Montreal here.

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To clustered for me (the skyline that is) reminds me of Toronto and I don't like clusters I prefer spread outs.

Like Montreal here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6nhKBl5Grs&mode=related&search= So it is a matter of your personal taste. OK, I have no problem with that, it's just you who doesn't like clusters and not the fault of Singapore's brilliant skyline and architecture. By the way, Montreal skyline looks better from behind viewed from the top of Mount Royal. Montreal skyline is divorced from the river. It did have the opportunity to develop along the St Lawrence shoreline, both for Expo and the Olympics, but failed to do so. Toronto, Sydney, Shanghai, Baltimore and now Liverpool are all using their waterside location to enhance their skylines.

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Montreal doesn't need to develop along it's river bank, there are already some nice buildings there such as the Marche Bonsecours and some good public space. The skyscrapers are in the right place, away from the river and on the lower slopes of the mountain away from Vieux Montreal.

Here's one of my pics taken about 3 and a half years ago at minus 22 degrees.

Montreal doesn't need to develop along it's river bank It should, really. When I lived in Ville St Laurent I would ride into "town" to St Antoine terminal, walking a couple of blocks to Commune was similar to walking from Great Howard Street in Liverpool to the Dock road. It was ripe for development, and not just with highrises, but similar to Liverpool's Rope Walks area. I haven't been down that way for a number of years but I believe a start has been made on the "promised" park on the old port facilities at the foot of St Laurent Bvld.

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Why ruin a perfectly good area with boring highrises?

Why ruin a perfectly good area with boring highrises? I wasn't suggesting that. But getting back to the original statement; Not an attack on Liverpool, I don't like clusters surrounded by flatness. I like density. I apply the same logic to Manchester, (an 800m tower in Manchester would look ridiculous by the way, as does Singapore) How do you define flatness? Singapore maybe, it occupies an island off the tip of Malaysia, but Liverpool is built on a river plane with hills as a backdrop and the city centre is overlooked by some magnificent buildings, the cathedrals and university building are some of them. Although the proposed Shanghai Tower will soar head and shoulders over even the proposed King Eddy, Peels plans are to extend the development up the river shoreline to the Liverpool/Bootle border. This will give Liverpool an effect ala Chicago, which is built along the lakeshore. And this is another place that has a building which towers over everything else on the skyline. Another by the way, the Beetham Manchester fits the description of looking "ridiculous", sticking up as it does above everything on the skyline, it is also a very ugly building.

By the way, Toronto's plans are for the waterfront development to move along the west lakeshore towards Mississauga. To the east is the Beaches community so I think that area will be safe from the developers.

An 800 meter building would make a 200 meter building look low. Liverpool like Manchester has a tiny centre and a cluster of tall buildings at one end of it would detract from that centre.

Chicago also has a tiny centre but the whole of that centre is highrise and it's northside is full of midrise condominiums.

I don't think Beetham is a bad building, it's narrowness means it doesn't overwhelm it's surroundings and although it's the tallest building outside London it's not so tall as to be disconnected from the rest of the city. And hopefully a few buldings half it's height will bulk up the sky and spread outwards.

I like spread out highrises, they shouldn't be concentrated in one point, that's what makes New York's skyline so iconic.

Every North American city has it's cluster from Indianapolis to Denver to Philadelphia to Toronto and they all look exactly the same.

I don't think Beetham is a bad building, it's narrowness means it doesn't overwhelm it's surroundings and although it's the tallest building outside London it's not so tall as to be disconnected from the rest of the city. You might want to take a look at the picture in post #32 of this thread. If that building doesn't look out of place then I don't know what does.

Getting back to clusters though, it would seem as though Liverpool will have the best of both worlds. The highrises will cluster along the river front north of Pier Head (if you can call a mile or two a cluster) and the medium talls (15 to 30 stories) southwards along the river to Dingle. Also to remember, the Lime Street Gateway and Central Village developments will add depth to the whole panoply. The University and Royal hospital developments will also contribute, in a positive way, to the whole cityscape canvass. And I doubt very much that Shanghai Tower would remain the tallest in Liverpool for very long.

Personally, I would prefer to see Liverpool development continue back away from the river as far as Vauxhall Road and as far north as Bramley Moor Dock. But then that area is definitely a flat river plane.