200.000.000 euro worth power/heating plant, recently went under construction in Skopje.

It is a joint project of Macedonian company Toplifikacija and Russian company Sintez.

The gas turbine will have 200MW electricity producing capacity and 400MW heat producing capacity.

The Macedonian company Beton is the main contractor

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2735/207737183373f315fe16ova9.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=207737183373f315fe16ova9.jpg)

:cheers:

^^Nice, very nice:)!

But aren't you guys gonna say something about those wonderful time machine looking towers proposed for your neighbourhood Realek:tongue2:

But here it is anyway heh
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Copyofaerodrom.jpg

It's crazy yes but i think it looks cool...the municipality of Aerodrom proposed this, i guess just their random fantasy dreams. Anyway not gonna be built within our life times, they should probably consider it for when we colonise Mars and want to make a futuristic looking planet.

It's crazy yes but i think it looks cool...the municipality of Aerodrom proposed this, i guess just their random fantasy dreams. Anyway not gonna be built within our life times


Not gonna be built ever.

No wonder the municipality is falling apart. Those assholes are having childish dreams instead of doing their job.

:gaah:

Yeah i should have said not gonna be built ever heh, coz it really is...out of this world i guess, what investor would actually want to build it. At least the stadium looks great!

what investor would actually want to build it


Didn't you hear? They want it to be built by the municipality... with donations :nuts:

That's what people get when they elect lunatics :banana:

never say NEVER

construction kicks off in March. Demolition of the current northern stand starts in January :cheers:

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/FC6E4D9BC81E904F8AAFB62E0E49BFD9.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/F9EC33AD78D0B545BAFAA9C1E5A298DD.jpg

Israeli investors will invest E 100 mln. in mall, hotel and office building in Skopie

Израелци ще инвестират 100 млн. евро в мол, хотел и офис сграда в Скопие


Gazit Israel, дъщерно дружество на израелската Gazit-Globe Ltd., е купило парцел с размер 42 хил. кв. м в Скопие за 19 млн. евро, съобщи Globes.

Компанията е финансирала покупката със собствени средства.

Върху терена в македонската столица тя планира да построи мол с площ 60 хил. кв. м, както и офис кула и хотелска сграда с обща площ 90 хил. кв. м.

Предвижданата инвестиция е в размер на 100 млн. евро.

Gazit-Globe притежава 75% от Gazit Israel. По-рано тази година компанията съобщи, че смята да инвестира 200 млн. евро в България през следващите пет години в придобиването и развитието на търговски центрове. Тя притежава офис сграда в София, както и два парцела в близост до столицата и два терена в Пловдив.

http://www.investor.bg/?cat=122&id=58195

:)

^^

It was posted in the Macedonia development thread, but yes it does actually belong here



@ NB :bash: :D

@ NB :bash: :D

it was bgrs that posted it :D

Shit, I'm too late with the news. For once I was going to post something valuable in this thread and Beinsa beat me to it! :ohno::cheers:

Isn't that plant that Toplifikacija's building going to pollute the downtown area? It looks like they've buit it very close to the TV, Kontinental, and Saemot.

Isn't that plant that Toplifikacija's building going to pollute the downtown area? It looks like they've buit it very close to the TV, Kontinental, and Saemot.


It's natural gas, doesn't pollute much locally.

Isn't that plant that Toplifikacija's building going to pollute the downtown area? It looks like they've buit it very close to the TV, Kontinental, and Saemot.

in addition to what Realek said Skopje has a weird longitudinal form. On many places the outskirts are near the inner parts. The plant does seem to be near the center by air distance but it's actually closer to the industrial zone on the eastern exit of the city. Plus the TV, Kontinental and the fair are on the outer bounds of the wider central area.

Oh ok, I didn't catch the part about it using natural gas. Skopje's industrial zone doesn't seem to have any major polluters, except OKTA.

Oh ok, I didn't catch the part about it using natural gas. Skopje's industrial zone doesn't seem to have any major polluters, except OKTA.

OKTA is ~20km away from the city. It is not really a big problem for the city, more for the nearby villages.

In the city there are some medium polluters, but that's nothing compared to the communist days when the industrial activity was on a much higher level.

Oh ok, I didn't catch the part about it using natural gas. Skopje's industrial zone doesn't seem to have any major polluters, except OKTA.

the steel and cement industry would be the ones... the chemical sector hasn't recovered yet that was a polluter too. But nothing like in some other ex-commie cities... biggest polluter is the traffic

When is Skopje going to get a tram-line? :D

http://galerija.vmacedonia.net/albums/userpics/10001/ramstore_shopping_center.jpg
Svidja mi se ovaj Mall. Kakve Shopove ima????

A Direct Airline Sofia- Skopje is Opened


http://images.ibox.bg/2006/10/12/12134/256x135.jpg


Today Transport Minister Peter Mutafchiev cut off the ribbon of first direct flight Sofia- Skopje.

The ticket price for direct flight is 39 EUR. Passengers, which will like to continue traveling to Skopje or other destinations, will pay 49 EUR, said Bulgaria Air Executive director Dimitar Pavlov.

Another 2 new airlines will be opened through the new 2008 year - to Belgrade and to Valencia.

This is a new success for Bulgarian Aviation, said Minister Mutafchiev. Bulgaria had realized an old dream-to be connected with all Balkan capitals, which is a serious sigh for future good relations, added the Minister

What comes forward is also railway and port connection with Macedonia. This is important for the Balkans stability and economical development between the Balkan countries.

^^

:cheers:

@sandes. According to the mayor construction should kick of by next year. But I'd hold my breath our current mayor is not the most reliable person

@paral0c0

Of the top of my mind. La Coste, Timberland, Springfield, Nike, Mothercare, Germanos (Greek electronic gadgets franchise), Chevignon, Bata...... I don't know many others too... there is the food court and the hypermarket.... a typical mall.

Some renders for the proposal's for Skopje's philharmonic hall, and the one that's actually going to be built

So this was one of the proposals
http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9884/1542638540.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9884/1735257670.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9884/1983718362.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9884/1587008794.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9884/42629825.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9827/1956765363.jpg

Another, which i wouldn't have minded to win
http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9829/1518478966.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9829/296826012.jpg

This looks really cool!
http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9829/1369059279.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9829/827120898.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9829/911570701.jpg

http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/images/9829/1473339083.jpg

^^That one looks really cool, the dome like shaper, like a ball and design looks awesome.

Another
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/Filharmonija4.jpg

And the winner
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/Filharmonija3.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/Filharmonija2.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/Filharmonija1.jpg

i find that winner solution is maybe the less appealing

Yeah? I like the look of it...wouldn't have mind the globe object, but it should look nice.

i like it as well, but some other solutions i like better. Like 1st, 2nd and the 4th, the globe (3rd one) i don´t like at all it looks like mosque and it shouldn´t.

http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/jerusalem.jpg

lol you're right, it does look like a mosque, similar to that picture heh guess that's where the inspiration came from.

i like it as well, but some other solutions i like better. Like 1st, 2nd and the 4th, the globe (3rd one) i don´t like at all it looks like mosque and it shouldn´t.

http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/jerusalem.jpg


I like the winner the most and I'm diveded for number 2 between proposal No 1 and 4 (4 is the preference probably between those two)

However the dome like structure (Proposal No 3 here) has by far the most superior entierior I just love the concert hall...

Proposal No 2 is pure crap IMO

I like the winner too

and some more renderings of the stadium. Official presentation of the project was today. Apparently the demolition of the current northern stand starts next week. :cheers:

1
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/bscap0007.jpg
2
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/bscap0006.jpg
3
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/bscap0005.jpg
4
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/bscap0004.jpg
5
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/bscap0003.jpg
6
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/bscap0000.jpg

^^ How many seats are there?

^^ How many seats are there?

well the new wing will have additional a little above 10k seats (that's the other large wing, the nothern wing).

the whole stadium will be 30-35k when completed I guess. I think the existing southern wing has 12-15k ( not sure but it's >10k for sure).

Well done! it will be a pretty stadium when finished :cheers:

:dance:

well the new wing will have additional a little above 10k seats (that's the other large wing, the nothern wing).

the whole stadium will be 30-35k when completed I guess. I think the existing southern wing has 12-15k ( not sure but it's >10k for sure).

Yes, i red that they are moving the VIP and journalists to the north stand also and those seats are not accounted in the total seat count, so that's why the lower number I guess.

a short animation clip, ripped from the news :cheers:

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KM, I remember once you specifically asked about future development along Boulevard Serbia.

Here's a nice project for which I just found out thanks to dewrob :)

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Untitled-5.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Untitled-6.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Untitled-7.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Untitled-8.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Untitled-9.jpg

Interesting name.

Interesting name.

The biggest ring within the city limits is comprised of boulevards named after all the ex-yu republics. It is not completed yet though...

Why do you say? You have a problem with it? :sly:

J/K :D


Or you meant the world trade center thing? :lol:

Much appreciated:okay:

Btw, today i was checking out some magazines at a bookstore here, and i noticed in one called "Today's Railways" for December 2007, there's a small bit of news + map about the plans by Macedonian Railways to build a rail link to Skopje airport, cutting current travel time of 30 minutes down to 15.

It would only involve construction of a few kilometers of rail as there already is a station close to the airport.

Has anyone heard more about this?

I havent heard anything so far... But building it is a non brainer. I dont know why they didnt do it all these years. Only 2km of new track is needed.

The biggest ring within the city limits is comprised of boulevards named after all the ex-yu republics. It is not completed yet though...

Why do you say? You have a problem with it? :sly:

J/K :D


Or you meant the world trade center thing? :lol:

I don't have a problem with it. Just thought it was interesting. That's all. :)

Don't be so defensive. One of Sofia's main squares is called Macedonia.

One of Sofia's main squares is called Macedonia.

I'm sure the Greeks don't like that :lol: ;)

^^
Well, in most of the bulgarian cities there is a street, blvd, square or even residential district called Macedonia or Skopie, or Ohrid, or Struga.
Which is nice of course.

However, I think that the stadium is awsome and it will be one of the best stadiums on the Balkans.

...More sokol pie voda na vardarot :-) Skopje developes fast, and nice. Just keep it go! :-)

Морен сокол пие, вода на Вардаро...

Nice song! :)

Do you know the difference between Vardaro and Vardarot? :)

Do you know the difference between Vardaro and Vardarot? :)
It's a dialect difference from what i know, some dialects in Macedonia drop the t on -ot. Like saying Makedonskio jazik.

In Bulgaria, the shoppes (Sofia, Dupnica, Kyustendil, Botevgrad region) omit the "t" and say "o" and they are famous for that. Most Bulgarians say "at" instead of "ot", but in Macedonia they say "ot" and it's the same for some villages near Petrich too.

In Bulgaria, the shoppes (Sofia, Dupnica, Kyustendil, Botevgrad region) omit the "t" and say "o" and they are famous for that. Most Bulgarians say "at" instead of "ot", but in Macedonia they say "ot" and it's the same for some villages near Petrich too.
Is this 'normal' for that region, or were there a lot of Macedonian people settling there during the years who influenced the dialect?

these discussions have a tendency to turn out not so well

guys, stick to development please

Only for people who want them to end up that way and it's easy to ignore those.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Untitled-6.jpg

interesting project..even more interesting that both Skopje and Prishtina is getting world trade centers at the same time :)
i have a couple of questions though:

- is this project lisenced from world trade center association, or the project just bears the name "wtc"? .... Skopje doesnt appear on the list from world trade center associations (http://world.wtca.org/portal/site/wtcaonline/) lisenced world trade centers..

- who is constructing the project?


Thanks

^^

I doubt the Skopje building is a licenced World Trade Center. I think it's just something the designer put on the render. Or if it's an announcement of something yet to come perhaps we will have to wait and see.

BTW Skopje was supposed to get a WTC some 12 years ago. This is the building which was supposed to be it

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1923/picture035resizeaz8.jpg

Than the investor company which got the franchise bankrupted and the building sat idle unfinished for almost a decade. A year and a half ago Austrian Soravia Gruppe bought it and it's now in final stages of reconstruction. Official opening should be in early spring 2008.

^^ interesting story... thanks..

Hello, I am new to this forum. I just got some questions. Any knowledge of when the old theatre, officer's house, Holocaust memorial, VMRO Museum, and city stadium in Skopje start construction? And projected dates of when they are all to be finished?

Interesuje me da li i u Macedoniji isto kao u Srbiji, vreme od ideje i projekta do realizacije ide brzinom puza....to jest,kakva je sansa da se taj stadion zavrsi i kada?Znam da projekti za zvezdin i partizanov stadion postoje i leze u fioci godinama.

Hello, I am new to this forum. I just got some questions. Any knowledge of when the old theatre, officer's house, Holocaust memorial, VMRO Museum, and city stadium in Skopje start construction? And projected dates of when they are all to be finished?

Hello, I am new to this forum. I just got some questions. Any knowledge of when the old theatre, officer's house, Holocaust memorial, VMRO Museum, and city stadium in Skopje start construction? And projected dates of when they are all to be finished?

First of all welcome :)


The old theater is already under construction for some time. It should be finished in 2009.

The Officer's House should kick off this year, but I don't know when it should be finished.

VMRO & victims of communism museum :dunno:

The stadium - They are already dismantling some stuff, and the real demolition should start these days. Construction of the northern platform starts in February, and the contractor has a legal obligation to finish it within 18 months. The contractor (Beton Skopje) promises ahead of schedule completion :cheers:


Make sure you cast your vote in this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=442728&page=10

...just so we can piss off Verso :D

Interesuje me da li i u Macedoniji isto kao u Srbiji, vreme od ideje i projekta do realizacije ide brzinom puza....to jest,kakva je sansa da se taj stadion zavrsi i kada?Znam da projekti za zvezdin i partizanov stadion postoje i leze u fioci godinama.

Usualy it goes like that, but it looks like some things are starting to change (at least it looks that way). For the stadium there was a public tender and the winner already signed the contract. As I mentioned, there is a deadline for the contractor, so if they are late, there will be penalties for them.

@Macedonia welcome :cheers:

Please check out this link (www.build.com.mk/forum) where we have a more active discussions about all the questions you asked in Macedonian language. Of course you are more then welcome to join us there :cheers:

First of all welcome :)


The old theater is already under construction for some time. It should be finished in 2009.

The Officer's House should kick off this year, but I don't know when it should be finished.

VMRO & victims of communism museum :dunno:

The stadium - They are already dismantling some stuff, and the real demolition should start these days. Construction of the northern platform starts in February, and the contractor has a legal obligation to finish it within 18 months. The contractor (Beton Skopje) promises ahead of schedule completion :cheers:


Make sure you cast your vote in this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=442728&page=10

...just so we can piss off Verso :D
haha:D yes go there now;)

Welcome Macedonia!

What about the Holocaust Memorial Center, will it be finished in 2009?

^^

Yes, it should be

Anything happening with the Alexander the Great statue in Macedonia Square?

Anything happening with the Alexander the Great statue in Macedonia Square?

Nothing except rare & confusing articles aimed at naive nationalistic people.

Anyway, just how high on the priority list do you think this should be?

not as high on the list as a statue of Skenderbeg...

not as high on the list as a statue of Skenderbeg...
Oooh:tongue2: that's why we're gonna build one 5 times taller!

not as high on the list as a statue of Skenderbeg...

Yes, we should make sure we don't fail to behave just as stupid and immature as some others do :|

But doesn't it bother you just a bit that the Greeks have a statue of our leader in every city of their country. Then you here that they're puting up a statue is Macedonia's capital, not of Alexander but of Albania's national hero. WTF!?

But doesn't it bother you just a bit that the Greeks have a statue of our leader in every city of their country. Then you here that they're puting up a statue is Macedonia's capital, not of Alexander but of Albania's national hero. WTF!?

Our leader? Please... How can a person that has been dead for more than 2000 years be our leader??? And no, it doesn't bother me. If the Greeks want to act as idiots, that doesn't mean that we should do the same.

And what is the connection between our sell-off politicians allowing an illegal statue to be built and building this Alexander statue in the worst possible moment for Macedonia? Will the Alexander statue somehow compensate for the Skenderbeg statue? :nuts:

I said what I had to say about this. If you want to continue on this subject, don't expect my replies.

Do not worry my friend, Greeks are no idiots. They secured their place in the EU and Nato along time ago. We should learn a thing or two from them! It doesn't matter whose leader Alexander is, the point is that we have to play their game, its the only way.

Alright guys:|
Just to note Macedonia, we don't really discuss politics in this forum because it always turns out ugly so don't say something unless you really have to;) hehe but it's cool to see you're from Lerin, just watch out for some 'members' ;)

I can already see Turnovec and Macedonia making love here.:);)

Good advice Dejan.

^^ Hahaha... No way! Too many MC's , not enough mics :lol::lol::lol: ;)

I can already see Turnovec and Macedonia making love here.:);)

Good advice Dejan.
hehe:tongue2: well when i said some members, i was mainly meaning the other members:p

What are those two other buildings that I see in some of the future plans for Macedonia Square, the two buildings right beside the Officerski's Dom (on the left side). Are they confirmed projects and what purpose will they have?

What are those two other buildings that I see in some of the future plans for Macedonia Square, the two buildings right beside the Officerski's Dom (on the left side). Are they confirmed projects and what purpose will they have?

Not yet. The bigger one was supposed to be a Sheraton Hotel way back in the late 80's, but since then nothing... But with the obvious construction boom just starting in Skopje, I think it will not be long before investors get seriously interested in those two locations. The main problem will probably be the land ownership issue, since because of the denationalization, there are several owners of smaller pieces of land comprising the area.

^^

Yes thanks :)

The demolition of the old northern platform started two days ago. The construction of the new one should start in the second half of February :cheers:

What's going on with the majka Tereza building? I heard that the people of Skopje are trying to cancel the project because its so ugly.

What's going on with the majka Tereza building? I heard that the people of Skopje are trying to cancel the project because its so ugly.

Something like that, yes. Fortunately nothing has been heard about this project lately (they were supposed to lay the foundation late last year). Hopefully, the project will be really canceled (the current chosen project that is).

^^ Do you understand that Vladimir?

Whats not to understand?:? Its only Macedonian, not Chinese;)
I personally read it like my own language. Of course, I can't speak it.

Thanks for posting that Vladimir;) i hope they finally do something about bit pazar and the airport, always so much talk about it.

Куполи на Собранието мора да никнат, мисли власта



http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2921/aa9fec51921c5f4db63ab78gs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Паско Кузман сам се предложил за член на Комисијата за реконструкција на парламентот

Директорот на Управата за заштита на културното наследство, Паско Кузман, сам се предложил за член на Комисијата за реализација на надградбата на собраниската зграда. Покрај Кузман, за нови членови на оваа Комисија се предлагаат Јован Стефановски-Жан од Здружението на архитектите на Скопје, како и пратеникот Иван Анастасовски, кој треба да го замени потпретседателот на Собранието, Благој Зашов. Нивниот избор треба да се случи на денешната седница на собраниската Комисија за избори и именување.

Во Собранието вчера се коментираше дека со доаѓањето на Кузман и на Стефановски во Комисијата за реконструкција на парламентот, владејачката „ВМРО-ДПМНЕ ќе ја истурка идејата за изградба на трите куполи на Собранието под параванот дека се решава просторниот проблем со канцеларии за пратениците“.

Токму поради стравувањето дека на зградата на Собранието со реконструкцијата што и' претстои може да никнат три куполи - една централна и две странични, оставки си поднесоа петмина од вкупно деветмина членови на Комисијата за реализација на надградбата. Не сакајќи да учествуваат во нарушувањето на автентичниот лик на парламентот, кој е изграден во 1938 година и претставува споменик на културата од прва категорија, од Комисијата си заминаа: Снежана Герасимовска-Матевска од Управата за заштита на културното наследство, Кокан Грчев од Асоцијацијата на архитектите на Македонија, и тројцата пратеници од опозицијата: Влатко Серафимовски, Роза Топузова-Каревска и Агрон Буџаку.

Бидејќи ниту еден од архитектите во ААМ не сакаше да учествува во „Комисија која има цел комплетно да го смени изгледот на парламентот“, парламентарното мнозинство пред новогодишните празници изгласа промена на одлуката за состав на Комисијата. Со споменатата корекција на одлуката се овозможи во Комисијата да учествува и претставник на Здружението на архитектите на Скопје, чиј претседател е Вангел Божиновски. Божиновски, исто така, е член на Комисијата за реализација на реконструкцијата на собраниската зграда, каде што членуваат и пратениците Горан Петров од ВМРО-ДПМНЕ и Бесим Догани од ДПА.

Управата за заштита на културното наследство во почетокот имаше негативно мислење во однос на реконструкцијата на собраниската зграда. Потоа нејзиниот директор Кузман ретерираше и излезе со мислење дека Собранието може да се надградува со уште еден кат и рамен покрив, кој не треба да го зафати надворешниот габарит на зградата и да биде вовлечен во внатрешноста на објектот. За изградбата, пак, на трите куполи на Собранието, сепак, неопходно ќе биде согласност да даде Управата за заштита на културното наследство. (О.В.)

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/

Аларова ќе гради Мост на цвеќето


Пешачката врска меѓу ГТЦ и МНТ преку Вардар ќе биде главна спојка меѓу два центра - трговскиот и културниот, а со него и неискористениот простор на платото пред театарот ќе добие нови содржини

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Скопје ќе добие "Мост на цвеќето". Оваа иницијатива на градоначалничката на Општина Центар, Виолета Аларова, која беше најавена пред две години, ќе почне да се реализира годинава. Идејното решение е готово, а во моментов се изработува проектот и се комплетира потребната документација. Новиот пешачки мост преку Вардар ќе ги поврзува Градскиот трговски центар и Македонскиот народен театар.

- Нашиот сон за улицата "Македонија" се оствари, па нема причина да не се надеваме дека и "Мостот на цвеќето" ќе стане стварност. Ова нема да биде скап проект, туку едноставен, но ексклузивен и необичен. Од едниот до другиот крај ќе биде преполн со сезонски цвеќиња. Тоа ќе биде уште еден несекојдневен украс и заштитен знак на центарот на градов -рече градоначалничката Виолета Аларова по седницата на Советот на Општина Центар, кога беше усвоен Деталниот урбанистички план "Пресвета Богородица", во која што е вцртан и мостот. "Мостот на цвеќето" освен својата функционална намена ќе има и големо влијание за заживување на кејот од другата страна на Вардар. Ќе биде главна врска меѓу два центра-трговскиот и културниот, а со него и неискористен простор на платото пред МНТ ќе добие нови содржини.

Идејата за изградба на пешачки мост помеѓу ГТЦ и МНТ е многу стара, а реализацијата досега ја најавувале неколку градоначалници. "Мостот на цвеќето" беше заедничко предизборно ветување на Аларова и на Трифун Костовски. Крајниот рок за негова изградба не е дефиниран, но сигурно е дека тој ќе биде готов до крајот на мандатот на Аларова.
Со измените на ДУП за Пресвета Богородица, кој опфаќа простор од околу 10 хектари меѓу црквата "Пресвета Богородица" и НУБ "Климент Охридски", е извршена пренамена на приватните парцели во 30 отсто за домување, со што според урбанистите, ќе заживее просторот кој во вечерните часови е сосема пуст. Покрај црковниот комплекс на новиот храм "Пресвета Богородица" се предвидува истакнување на темелните остатоци од старата црква "Света Мина".

http://www.vecer.com.mk/

^^Noo don't post the parliament upgrade one here:tongue2: it's bad news;)

What's going on with the parliament construction anyway?

Da Sobranje liči na Rajhstag

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Skoplje – Ni makedonski političari nisu imuni na iskonsku boljku vlastodržaca da svoju vladavinu ovekoveče kakvom monumentalnom građevinom. Premijer Nikola Gruevski forsira izgradnju sportskih hala i plivačkih bazena, a nosilac je ideje o ulepšavanju zgrade Sobranja Makedonije. Priznaje da bi voleo da makedonski parlament liči na nemački Rajhstag. Premijer je zadužio predsednika parlamenta Ljubišu Georgievskog da rukovodi rekonstrukcijom zgrade Sobranja kako bi ova dobila evropski izgled. Njegov predlog o nadgradnji zgrade parlamenta je usvojen, pa će već na proleće započeti radovi.

U parlamentu je oko predloženog projekta vođena burna debata, posebno oko premijerovog insistiranja da zgrada liči na Rajhstag, odnosno da na ćoškovima ima kupole koje bi joj davale monumentalniji izgled. Poslanici opozicije su insistirali na tome da se sačuva autentičnost postojeće zgrade, odnosno da se ona nadgradi za jedan sprat, ali u istom stilu. Bez obzira na to što se najavljena nadgradnja vezuje za nedostatak prostora u sadašnjoj zgradi, ali i za njen „evropskiji” izgled, javna je tajna da je jedan od ključnih razloga brisanje dela prošlosti na koju ta zgrada asocira. U njoj je pre Drugog svetskog rata bila smeštena administracija Vardarske banovine, što se ovde nerado pominje. Na to je u skupštinskoj raspravi ukazala i Roza Karovska Topuzovska iz opozicione Liberalno-demokratske partije, rekavši da su tokom istorije mnogi osvajači gradili monumentalne građevine, ali da one i danas stoje netaknute.

Zgrada makedonskog parlamenta je izgrađena 1938. godine, po projektu češkog arhitekte Viktora J. Hudaka, a već naredne godine je postala sedište administracije Vardarske banovine. Posle oslobođenja zgradu su naselile nove makedonske vlasti, u njoj je bio kabinet predsednika, Narodno sobranje i Ustavni sud. U katastrofalnom zemljotresu 1963. godine nije pretrpela ozbiljna oštećenja, ali je tada prvi put renovirana.

Poslanici su dali zeleno svetlo za rekonstrukciju zgrade parlamenta, ali još nije obelodanjen projekat, tako da se ne zna da li će biti prihvaćen predlog premijera Gruevskog, koji ima podršku poslanika vladajuće koalicije.
Mile Radenković

http://www.politika.co.yu/

Паско ќе го води проектот за куполите на Собранието


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Директорот на Управата за заштита на културното наследство Паско Кузман Ќе биде идниот претседател на Комисијата за реализирање на постапката за изведување на реконструкцијата, доградбата и надградбата на зградата на Собранието на Македонија. Вака вчера одлучи собраниската комисија за прашањата на изборите и именувањата.

Во Комисијата ќе членуваат и архитектот Јован Стефановски Жан предложен од Здружението на архитекти на град Скопје, а од НСДП пратеникот Иван Анастасовски.

измените во составот на комисијата помина без расправа, но пратениците од опозицијата се побунија што претседателот на Комисијата Трајко Велјановски ја затворил расправата пред време. Роза Топузова Каревска забележа дека брзото завршување на седницата е резултат на желбата на владејачкото мнозинство да ја изигра Комисијата и јасна интенција на мала врата да се протурка идејата за реконструкцијата на Собранието и изградбата на куполите.

"Господинот Паско Кузман не можел да убеди никој од колегите да се нафати на оваа нечесна работа па се предложил сам. Исто така Асоцијацијата на архитекти се иззема бидејќи не сака да биде дел од матните зделки. А вие ја прифаќате одлуката без присуство на ниту еден член на Комисијата од опозицијата. Тоа не смее да функционира така, рече Топузова.

На ова реплицираше Ружди Матоши од ДПА кој истакна дека на седницата присуствувал Рафиз Алити од ДУИ, кој е пратеник од редовите на опозициските партии, и оти и тој гласал за. Тој како и другите присутни членови на опозицијата и забележаа дека не би требало да реагира на ваков начин, со оглед на тоа што чекале да се обезбеди кворум и оти таа за тоа време не се појавила на седницата. Н.С.

http://www.vest.com.mk/

Нова идеја: во Скопје ќе се граделе три облакодери со по 160 ката!

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ДЕСПИНА ТРАЈКОВСКА

Општина Аеродром планира да гради три сто и шеесеткатници! Оваа футуристичка идеја на општинарите,на која и' нема рамна во светот, веќе се наоѓа во процедура, а за неа е информиран и скопскиот градоначалник. Според Детаљниот урбанистички план, кој се наоѓа во почетна фаза, облакодерите кои ќе можат да достигнат максимална висина до 500 метри, е предвидено да никнат на просторот помеѓу бензинската пумпа „Макоил“ и комплексот на касарната „Гоце Делчев“. Висококатниците би имале комерцијално-станбена намена, а во нив би инвестирала странска компанија.

Градоначалникот на Аеродром, Кирил Тодоровски, вели дека сто и шеесеткатниците се заедничка идеја на повеќе субјекти на повисоко ниво. „Можеби овој проект за некого изгледа утопистички, но е голем предизвик и сметам дека е реално изводлив. Општина Аеродром е урбана општина, европски ориентирана и се стремиме и на таков урбанистички развој“, вели Тодоровски, кој не открива дали изградбата на облакодерите во Аеродром е евентуална компензација на оспоруваниот владин проект за изградба на стокатници, кој почна да се турка преку Општина Центар, а за што од Градот неодамна се спротивставија, или пак, државата планира да изгради два скопски Менхетна.

За најавите од Аеродром градските власти се' уште немаат изграден став, иако неодамна се запознаени со идејата. Таа на скопскиот градоначалник Трифун Костовски му била пренесена на неодамнешната средба на општинарите и градските власти, којашто ја иницирал градоначалникот на Аеродром. „Градоначалникот Костовски со својот тим одржа средба со Кирил Тодоровски на која најмногу се разговараше за урбанистичкото планирање во Аеродром, со оглед на тоа дека општината за кусо време донесе повеќе планови, а голем дел веќе се во процедура на усвојување. Идејата за изградба на облакодерите ни беше пренесена усно. Официјално немаме став по тоа прашање, бидејќи урбанистичкиот план со кој се планирани висококатниците се' уште не ни е доставен на мислење“, велат од кабинетот на градскиот татко и посочуваат дека облакодерите не се предвидени ниту во Генералниот план на Скопје. Во случај Градот и да не даде позитивно мислење по планот, односно ќе има забелешки како за стокатниците во Центар, тоа за градоначалникот на Аеродром нема да претставува пречка. „Иако не сум експерт за процедурата на носење на плановите и нивна реализација, сепак, знам дека мислењата од Градот не се релевантни. Пресудна е согласноста што ја дава Министерството за транспорт и врски. Сакам да кажам и дека, бидејќи висококатниците не се предвидени со постојниот ГУП, ние ќе побараме тој да се смени во полза на нашата идеја“, вели Тодоровски ,кој ги споменува облакодерите и во својот уводник во општинскиот весник „Аеродром“, каде што тие се напомнати како дел од проектите со кои во 2008 година ќе се направи економски бум во општината.

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/

He stopped writing columns since became the spokesman of the government. I'm not following the lustration closely. I have no clue how soon will it happen. I just know there was something about it in the newspapers a week ago or so, but as usual I skipped the article.

btw, Bocevski seems to be not the only good columnist out there. today i read this (http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=0927BCCDD7322B469645AD15F4D5F902) . People who can dare to ask such questions or think on such level are the good future of Macedonia :okay:

p.s. ... 2 days ago i was asking about the lustration ... and here (http://www.utrinski.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=AA4669DFE504374195D9AC0A5BA343FA) we have some news already :okay: Go Macedonia !

I read heard that Skopje is building a church "Sts. Constantine & Helen" at its central square. The church was originally destroyed in the 1963 earthquake. Is this confirmed? And if it is, will the church be based on its original design or will it have a new design?

I read heard that Skopje is building a church "Sts. Constantine & Helen" at its central square. The church was originally destroyed in the 1963 earthquake. Is this confirmed? And if it is, will the church be based on its original design or will it have a new design?

the idea is completely crazy. It's against the DUP, it's against the aesthetics of the neighborhood and it's against common sense. I don't know why are they talking about rebuilding when the location is not the same but offset for some 50-100m. The design won't be the same that's for sure...

I kinda understand the Albanians now bitching about that new Orthodox church on such central location.... it's just :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

Mabey its an attempt by the government to give Skopje a more Christian-like image? Mabey trying to balance off with all the ottoman mosques? I dunno...

However, many other cities do have some sort of religious building at their square, like the Nevsky Church in Sofia, or the mosque in Tirana's square.

Mabey its an attempt by the government to give Skopje a more Christian-like image? Mabey trying to balance off with all the ottoman mosques? I dunno...
Like they haven't done that already with the huge cross on Vodno mountain;)

Anyway it's not like we're an extremely religious people to have all these churches. The Bogorodica one being re-built across the river, which has more importance to the city of Skopje is enough.

However, many other cities do have some sort of religious building at their square, like the Nevsky Church in Sofia, or the mosque in Tirana's square.

Err...Sofia does not actually have a central square.

the idea is completely crazy. It's against the DUP, it's against the aesthetics of the neighborhood and it's against common sense. I don't know why are they talking about rebuilding when the location is not the same but offset for some 50-100m. The design won't be the same that's for sure...

I kinda understand the Albanians now bitching about that new Orthodox church on such central location.... it's just :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:
why is it insane if there was a church before the earthquake on the same place?

the idea is completely crazy. It's against the DUP, it's against the aesthetics of the neighborhood and it's against common sense. I don't know why are they talking about rebuilding when the location is not the same but offset for some 50-100m. The design won't be the same that's for sure...

I kinda understand the Albanians now bitching about that new Orthodox church on such central location.... it's just :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:


Why should the albanians bitch? They want to live in Macedonia, don't they? If they are offended by our culture then they should leave Macedonia!

Mabey its an attempt by the government to give Skopje a more Christian-like image? Mabey trying to balance off with all the ottoman mosques? I dunno...

However, many other cities do have some sort of religious building at their square, like the Nevsky Church in Sofia, or the mosque in Tirana's square.


I don't think it's for balance, Skopje has mosques in the Turkish quarter where they belong not all around the city.... Plus we have more than enough churches. However the two other arguments U put are definitely part of their motives.... It's all wrong for so many reasons

1. Time aspect... Such large cathedrals were erected (especially around main squares) in completely different times. Definitely not in the 21st century.
2. Contextual aspect... The location is surrounded by contemporary architecture. Under no circumstances can a sacral object fit in such surroundings especially if it's planned to have a traditional look which I have no doubts it will (it's just their mentality).
3. Legal aspect... The government promotes illegal construction. There is no designated parcel on that location for any kind of object including a church. The governments puts itself above the DUP (which is not just a pretty drawing but a legal document) with a single decision bypassing completely the opinion of architects and urbanists.
4. Religious aspect... We are a secular country. The government should not/can not fund churches from the budget. Plus we are multi confessional.
5. This list can be endless. It's pointless I think these 4 aspects are just enough.

why is it insane if there was a church before the earthquake on the same place?

it's not on the original location. It doesn't fit the surrounding nowadays. Period

Why should the albanians bitch? They want to live in Macedonia, don't they? If they are offended by our culture then they should leave Macedonia!

1. No need for aggressive tones, they didn't come to Macedonia from somewhere so they can't leave, they are indigenous as well. Plus for the record this new project is blessed by the Albanian partner in the government.
2. I was talking about the Albanians in Tirana and their new orthodox church (in Tirana again). It has nothing to do with Macedonia or this project.

Why should the albanians bitch? They want to live in Macedonia, don't they? If they are offended by our culture then they should leave Macedonia!

Watch your mouth! Dont give your fellow forumers a bad name cause they are good people. If you have a problem maybe you need to leave.

Aren't a lot of Albanians in Macedonia Kosovo refugees?

^^^^

Arent new forumers called Macedonia really former forumers called Canadianin?

and you got reported for that stupid statement!

sorry dewi, i dont wanna mess this thread up, but man..

I was just asking a question since you know that Macedonia recieved 350,000 Albanian refugees from Kosovo a couple of years ago. And what's "Canadianin"?

come on guys... let it go... Macedonian I'd like to hear your opinion about the church taking my arguments into consideration.

I have no problem with churches being erected, it's the methods and the location for this particular one that bother me.

^^what it is the alternative?

^^what it is the alternative?

alternative is anything else... this came out of the blue... there is actually no need for an alternative... they should for once recognize a wrong decision and step back..

Firstly, I don't think Macedonia should be wasting their money on building churches, and I also think this project is ridiculous. I would personally use that money to get rid of the old train station, because right now its making the area look really old and its sitting on a very hot location.

BTW is the Church project officially approved or not? Because if its not they'll probably end up canceling it.

Glad to hear that Macedonia we definitely have better priorities than a new church with state budget money.

Apparently they say it's only a suggestion/concept now... but they have obviously planned this in the background as too many details leaked in public all of the sudden... They will even open a competition for the design as early as Monday... I don't know what to say I guess we will know if this project holds any ground very soon...

alternative is anything else... this came out of the blue... there is actually no need for an alternative... they should for once recognize a wrong decision and step back..
maybe i wasn´t clear enough. what do you think that there should be build?

Glad to hear that Macedonia we definitely have better priorities than a new church with state budget money.

Apparently they say it's only a suggestion/concept now... but they have obviously planned this in the background as too many details leaked in public all of the sudden... They will even open a competition for the design as early as Monday... I don't know what to say I guess we will know if this project holds any ground very soon...

Finance a church with state budget money?
Is your gov nuts?

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Is your gov nuts?

obviously.. theoretically they are resurrecting an old church which is legal to do as maintenance of cultural heritage and it's done through the Ministry of Culture...

However... it's all so transparent...

maybe i wasn´t clear enough. what do you think that there should be build?

nothing... that part of the square is shaped... there are no new planned objects according to the DUP as well... that place is suitable with some modern sculpture which would fit in nicely...

i think that square is maybe too big. there is still enough place for new things.

i think that square is maybe too big. there is still enough place for new things.

yes there is on the grass area on the other side... 3 new objects are planned there...

however on the side of GTC where they want to stick in the church.... no way..

and what do you think about rebuilding mother teresa house? and about that location? if i can recall it is even worse location for buildng a house

Is it going to be on the square where the christmas tree was? That square is missing something but not a church they coulve made a neat designed park there with sculpures in it and turn it into an ice skating ring in the winter or something.

then it wouldn´t be square it would be park.

I saw some old plan for Skopje's square, the one with the new hotel, Officer Dom and national bank, its really nice, will it ever be used?

I saw some old plan for Skopje's square, the one with the new hotel, Officer Dom and national bank, its really nice, will it ever be used?

Oficerski dom will get rebuilt this year as a city hall probably. National bank will also probably get rebuilt as some private bank HQ. Construction for the latter is announced for April/May.

and what do you think about rebuilding mother teresa house? and about that location? if i can recall it is even worse location for buildng a house

It's not worse... it's bad but not worse.. it's next to Mother Theresa monument. I would prefer a real building there instead of a memorial house but even with it it's not the end of the world... However the controversy there is the fugly design being adopted for it.

BTW it's not a reconstruction of her house it's just a memorial house...

Is it going to be on the square where the christmas tree was? That square is missing something but not a church they coulve made a neat designed park there with sculpures in it and turn it into an ice skating ring in the winter or something.

yeap that's the square... it's missing definition Tetovari... it still lacks 3 major objects to define one of it's boundaries. Here is the masterplan for the area

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg177/lbocvarov89/DSC00195.jpg

We are talking about the square on the bottom of the picture.... the 3 dark red objects on its left side are yet to be constructed... Now that's just empty grasland

So they're using this plan for the centar?

Gotcha. It's quite a big area right now but if they build those three objects on the side it would be a shame to build a church in the middle cause then the square would be perfect size.

why don´t they build church instead one of those red object and than everyone is happy?

So they're using this plan for the centar?

yeap that's the plan... the buildings in red are yet to be constructed... some of them are already constructed some are U/C.... the plan dates to the late 90s... It had some minor changes now but it's basically it

Gotcha. It's quite a big area right now but if they build those three objects on the side it would be a shame to build a church in the middle cause then the square would be perfect size.

yeap it's gonna be really nice... plus I really love the symmetric square on the other side of the stone bridge.... it's gonna be really nice...

BTW this is the fountain that was supposed to be built on the square. Now the new establishment is pushing for a horseman statue instead of it which is pure crap. I hope we go back to the fountain.

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why don´t they build church instead one of those red object and than everyone is happy?

a church doesn't belong there, anywhere there. Can you build a school, a prison, whatever by simple altering of a location in the DUP? Those locations were specifically assigned for various purposes when the plan was created. A location for a sacral object was not assigned at all for a reason. The plan can't be messed up just like that because a certain someone (the prime minister) wants to play messiah.

Skopje already has a cathedral. And there is an existing church only on the other side of the stone bridge. There is no need for such reckless pissing away of budget money.

I just wanted to underline that this is budget money we're talking about.

This is what Skopje needs in its square, :banana:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Thessaloniki_-_Paralia_-_Alexander_statue_-_4.JPG/800px-Thessaloniki_-_Paralia_-_Alexander_statue_-_4.JPG

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

yeap... that will solve all our problems... it's the one thing missing in our lives :ohno:

a church doesn't belong there, anywhere there. Can you build a school, a prison, whatever by simple altering of a location in the DUP? Those locations were specifically assigned for various purposes when the plan was created. A location for a sacral object was not assigned at all for a reason. The plan can't be messed up just like that because a certain someone (the prime minister) wants to play messiah.

Skopje already has a cathedral. And there is an existing church only on the other side of the stone bridge. There is no need for such reckless pissing away of budget money.
you are building churches with budget money or? it is not like that in RS.
How many churches there are in skoplje?

But seriously, the fountain is a really good idea

you are building churches with budget money or? it is not like that in RS.
How many churches there are in skoplje?

nope, budget money are used in special cases through the ministry of culture to resurrect some churches (or mosques too) which are considered to be part of the architectural/cultural heritage. For new churches it's the MPC which is in charge.

This just makes this case even more controversial. They are trying to cover the story with a alleged resurrection of an older existing church while this new project doesn't have anything to do with it. We are in fact talking about a completely new church.

BTW guys this is a completely Skopje related discussion... Let's continue in the Skopje thread if U want, this thread is wrong for this topic... I'll ask some mod to move the last 20 posts there as well.

thnx

do u have a photo of old church how it used to look and the proposed one?

ps
answer on SK thread

there is still no proposal for the new one BL, just megalomanic announcements.

As for the old one....

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1177/1741/400/Sv-Konst-I-elena%20-%20podobra.jpg

nothing special really

^^it is sweet.

Projects in Skopje takes much long time than the officials says. Anyway that tram network will get mess in the city.
And what about Juzen Boulevard and Krusevska Republica. These two projects are very important for Skopje road infrastructure.

Projects in Skopje takes much long time than the officials says. Anyway that tram network will get mess in the city.
And what about Juzen Boulevard and Krusevska Republica. These two projects are very important for Skopje road infrastructure.


hey mate welcome. I agree with you although there are some exceptions for sure. Anyways as U are already aware the authorities have been brainwashing us for years now that Juzen Boulevard & Krusevska republika are SF projects. Until there is a change in the mentality nothing willl be done about those projects.

We've been discussing this issue in details here (http://www.build.com.mk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33). You are more than welcome to join us :cheers:

Inaku denes oficijalnite lica se so izgovor deka tamu kade sto pominuva Krusevska Republica ke treba da bidat sruseni starite maala. Ili koga ke cueme od zitelite - ne gi davame kukite da ni gi rusat, a tamu kade sto ziveat e isto kako vo 19 vek bez voda i kanalizacija. A inaku se naogaat vo opstina Centar vo metropolata kako sto ja narekuvaat Skopje. Govoram za maaloto karsi stara zeleznicka odnosno do Komleks banki. Postojat mnogu neurbanizirani delovi od krajot koi sto krajno vreme e da se sredat i da prerasnat vo ubavi delovi na gradot Skopje. Sto e so Keramidnica dali tamu ima nekoj namera da gi sredi rabotite, so toa i da se prodolzi bulevarot Goce Delcev se do bulevarot Srbija kako i so most preku Vardar kon Aerodorm. Mislam fakt e deka postojat mnogu klucni proekti vo gradot pred se mislam na patnata infrastruktura koja 'blagodarenie na zemojotresot' kolku tolku bese izgradena vo minatoto. So delot pokraj Holiday Inn isto taka vreme e da se urbanizira mestoto, koe e vo sred centar. Krusevska Republika e mnogu vazen proekt i treba da se realizira. So toa i ke se urbaniziraat i sredat delovite niz koi ke pominuva, a sekako i najvazno ke se olesni soobrakajot vo gradot. Sto se odnesuva do predvideniot tramvaj mislam deka samo ke ni napravi pogolemi problemi i haos bidejki seuste ja nemame potrebnata patna infrastruktura. Zamislete denes kako e na Partizanska, i zamislete kako ke bide so tramvajot koj dopolnitelno ke go zakoci soobrakajot. Mozebi spored mene najrealno e da se donesat ekoloski avtobusi i da se moderniziraat startie odnosno da se zamenat so novi, pa mozebi po 5-6 godini da se realizira lesno metro koe ke bide od golema korist. Tramvaj za Skopje e krajno losa varijanta. Soobrakajot e problem vo site golemi metropoli i mislam deka na Skopje vo idnina ke mu pretstavuva se pogolem problem. Tokmu poradi ovie pricini treba da se odi so Vistinsko resenie, koe tramvajot definitivno ne e toa sto mu treba na Skopje. Znaeme deka problem za nesto po konkretno bi bile paricnite sredstva, no so vreme gradskite vlasti bi trebalo da napravat plan i izgradbata da odi vo nekolku fazi. Za kraj smetam deka vo skoro vreme treba da se donesat ekoloski avtobusi, posebno vo centarot za da se namali zagadenosta na vozduhot, i da se realiziraat klucni soobrakajni proekti -Krusevska republica, Juzen Bulevar, Kliment Ohridski, Ilindenska, Srbija i Nikola Karev. Potoa vo idnina da se odi so izgradba na lesno metro za koe ke bidat odvojuvani sredstva uste od sega.

daleku sme nie od tramvaj ,ili pak metro, nikoj ne e budala da vlozhi 200 milioni evra, i da se gradi za 10 godini :)) i koga ke si gi vrati parite?? posle 20 godini taka ! ?
mislam deka ne e realno osven ako vladata ne finansira ;) ( a ako navleze sigurno ke gi vlecat rabotive od 10 na 30 godini ) hehe

^^ Не е така, трамваят няма да струва 200 милиона. Ако не се мисли за това сега, трафикът ви ще е убийствен след 10 години и тогава ке биде много късно да се прави каквото и да е. Тогава ще е още по-трудно да се гради, защото трафикът ще е много по-интензивен и затварянето на един булевард за ремонт и поставяне на релси ще е голям проблем. Не правете грешката на София, тук метрото го почнаха много късно и сега трафикът тук е убийствен!

^^ Не е така, трамваят няма да струва 200 милиона. Ако не се мисли за това сега, трафикът ви ще е убийствен след 10 години и тогава ке биде много късно да се прави каквото и да е. Тогава ще е още по-трудно да се гради, защото трафикът ще е много по-интензивен и затварянето на един булевард за ремонт и поставяне на релси ще е голям проблем. Не правете грешката на София, тук метрото го почнаха много късно и сега трафикът тук е убийствен!


A kolku ke kosta spored tebe TRAMVAJ , a kolku bi kostalo METRO ? ama realno kazi :)

daleku sme nie od tramvaj ,ili pak metro, nikoj ne e budala da vlozhi 200 milioni evra, i da se gradi za 10 godini :)) i koga ke si gi vrati parite?? posle 20 godini taka ! ?
mislam deka ne e realno osven ako vladata ne finansira ;) ( a ako navleze sigurno ke gi vlecat rabotive od 10 na 30 godini ) hehe

e da taka e deka ke gi vlecat rabotite 30 godini ali pa eve neka zemat nesto pari od EU, na Sofija primerot neka go sledat

Fakt e deka covek uci od tugi greski , ama moze da nauci i od sopstvenite greski :D

^^ Не е така, трамваят няма да струва 200 милиона. Ако не се мисли за това сега, трафикът ви ще е убийствен след 10 години и тогава ке биде много късно да се прави каквото и да е. Тогава ще е още по-трудно да се гради, защото трафикът ще е много по-интензивен и затварянето на един булевард за ремонт и поставяне на релси ще е голям проблем. Не правете грешката на София, тук метрото го почнаха много късно и сега трафикът тук е убийствен!

da tocno, jas istoto go kazav sega so tramvaj ke opsta katastrofa

A kolku ke kosta spored tebe TRAMVAJ , a kolku bi kostalo METRO ? ama realno kazi :)

Вторият метродиаметър (2nd metro line) струва само 180 милиона евро. Той е къс (само 7.3 км) и нема много метростанции (9, от които 2 са построени през комунизма, значи общо 7).

Обаче това е метро. Трамваят е много по-евтин защото не се копае под земята. Копаенето е много скъпо. Отделно сигнализацията и самите мотриси са по-скъпи отколкото на метрото. Има и вентилация и т.н.

People, you're missing the point.

Not a classic tram, but a LRT. There are subtle but very important differences.

da Znaci LRT razlika so tramvaj e toa sto LRT vozovite se pobrzi, posiroki i pogolemi, vleguvaat na delovi pod zemja i najbitno mozat da se koristat vo mrezata na zeleznicata pri sto se zgolemuva mrezata koja veke postoi. Za Skopje LRT e dobra varijanta no ne klasicen TRAMVAJ! Inaku vistinski LRT se gradi vo Belgrad so tri linii pocnuvajki od ovaa godina
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/bel/beograd.htm

I was just looking at some other european cities, some of them have such beautiful fountains at their squares. A fountain like one of these would really look good in the circle on Skopje's square.


http://www.ferieguru.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/august/IMG_0360_copy.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Fontaine-place-de-la-concorde-paris.jpg/800px-Fontaine-place-de-la-concorde-paris.jpg

But as for the proposed symetrical square on the other side of the vardar, some sort of tall monument in the center will fit in nicely, mabe not as tall as these but you get the idea...

http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/nelsons_column_looking_towards_westminster_trafalgar_square_london.jpghttp://www.rome30.com/photo_gallery/photo_gallery_582bd367fcec0a5d38ea848a9828d4b8.jpg

yeap it's gonna be really nice... plus I really love the symmetric square on the other side of the stone bridge.... it's gonna be really nice...

BTW this is the fountain that was supposed to be built on the square. Now the new establishment is pushing for a horseman statue instead of it which is pure crap. I hope we go back to the fountain.

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Damn! I hope they build that fountain, its amazing! :shocked:

yea its really crazy stuff but the time will show now there is no activity to build this project

Hahahahaha sorry for the offtopic but I just noticed Realek's avatar.. Hahahaha

I'm not sure about the Skopje Metro though, does Skopje really need a metro system that bad? Is traffic such a big problem in Skopje right now?

No one is saying that Skopje needs a metro. I'm sure everyone is actually opposed to the idea. What Skopje needs, and will need in the future is a LRT. What that is, has been explained a couple of times here, including Junkie's explanation a few posts above mine.

This was the kind of monument I was talking about just earlier that would look good in Skopje's new symetrical square on the other side of the Vardar. After when the project is done, Skopje's new square will probably look very similiar to this one.

http://www.milnefamilytree.co.uk/photogallery/photo5610/minsk%20victory%20square.jpg

This was the kind of monument I was talking about just earlier that would look good in Skopje's new symetrical square on the other side of the Vardar. After when the project is done, Skopje's new square will probably look very similiar to this one.

http://www.milnefamilytree.co.uk/photogallery/photo5610/minsk%20victory%20square.jpg

yea like this should look Karpos square, so we hoop that in the near future see construction out there

it's a good proposal Macedonia... it would fit in great there :okay:

Hey guys dont misunderstand my post. But i read that the new church going to be built would cover the spot where the memorial is for the house that Mother Theresa was born in, is that true?

Hey guys dont misunderstand my post. But i read that the new church going to be built would cover the spot where the memorial is for the house that Mother Theresa was born in, is that true?

If it is true than wouldn't have Mother Theresa wanted that?

@ tetovari

It is not true and that's the least of our worries right now

If it is true than wouldn't have Mother Theresa wanted that?
lol i guess we'll never find out :p

Hey guys dont misunderstand my post. But i read that the new church going to be built would cover the spot where the memorial is for the house that Mother Theresa was born in, is that true?

it's gonna get built on the spot where her house used to be. However that's not a memorial it's just a metal panel on the sidewalk marking that. A real memorial is to be erected this year as well next to her statute and on the spot of the old catholic church where she started her work. Unfortunately the memorial is not very architecturally appealing. It stands almost in the same category as the horrific church they are trying to push through.

Too bad.. Nobody even builds new churches in Europe nowadays only in Albania and Macedonia. Its a dumb idea that they are building it on the square and even worse on that exact spot where her house was. It will just create more tensions.

Anyway do you have any pics of that statue they are making?

Со новата црква нема да се урне плочата на Мајка Тереза

Емилија Јовановска

Новата црква што ќе се гради на плоштадот Македонија нема да го узурпира местото каде што се наоѓала куќата на семејството Бојаџиу, вели Стојан Тренчевски, претседател на фондацијата „Мајка Тереза“. Тој вели дека домот во кој живеела славната скопјанка, пред да се посвети на својата мисија низ светото, е на аголот меѓу објектот на Лумикс и зградата на ЕВН - ЕСМ, поточно до сендвичарницата „Кај чичко Стоилко“. - За да се изгради црквата нема да се урне спомен-плочата на Мајка Тереза затоа што точната локацијата е на просторот пред Лумикс, а не до него. Ја поддржувам идејата да се изгради новиот верски објект затоа што треба да се обнови се што е духовно, но секој камен треба да ја зачува својата автентичност и да се стави таму каде што бил - вели Тренчевски. За жал, според него, куќата на Мајка Тереза не може да се изгради на истиот простор каде што била затоа што најголемиот дел од тоа место, го зафаќа Лумикс. Сепак, добиена е нова локација, во близина на домот на АРМ. Како што вели Тренчевски, спомен-куќата, за која веќе е изработен и проект, треба да почне да се гради на 22 март годинава. Проектот за православниот храм допрва треба да се подготвува и да го добие вистинскиот лик. Министерството за култура треба да распише меѓународен тендер за идејно решение, а Министерството за транспорт и врски треба да издаде дозвола за градба. Од Македонската православна црква велат дека при изградбата на храмот мора да се зачува изгледот на македонските православни цркви. Старата црква „Св. Консантин и Елена“ била урната во земјотресот во 1963 година.

@ dewrob - According to this, the house used to be on a slightly different location than today's "memorial plate" and they say that even the plate will remain intact (not that it matters really)


@ tetovari - The original house of mother theresa is long gone, so that isn't the real issue - like I said there are a million other things which are wrong with this church... But as much as I'm opposed to it, it is interesting to see all the Albanians suddenly becoming constructive in criticizing these kinds of pushy populist measures. I didn't hear any Albanian protesting against the way that the skenderbeg statue was erected. Instead you guys are constantly throwing it in the face of Macedonians as something that should prove that you can do whatever you want. Hypocrisy is easy to spot my friend. And I bet the skenderbeg statue is now causing at least some kind of increased support for this church among Macedonians.

Too bad.. Nobody even builds new churches in Europe nowadays only in Albania and Macedonia. Its a dumb idea that they are building it on the square and even worse on that exact spot where her house was. It will just create more tensions.

Anyway do you have any pics of that statue they are making?

the article realek posted proves me otherwise. The location of her old house wont be used.

And yes I agree building a new church on the square is plain stupid. There are lots of reactions here against it and I hope they will result in stopping it

@ dewrob - According to this, the house used to be on a slightly different location than today's "memorial plate" and they say that even the plate will remain intact (not that it matters really)


@ tetovari - The original house of mother theresa is long gone, so that isn't the real issue - like I said there are a million other things which are wrong with this church... But as much as I'm opposed to it, it is interesting to see all the Albanians suddenly becoming constructive in criticizing these kinds of pushy populist measures. I didn't hear any Albanian protesting against the way that the skenderbeg statue was erected. Instead you guys are constantly throwing it in the face of Macedonians as something that should prove that you can do whatever you want. Hypocrisy is easy to spot my friend. And I bet the skenderbeg statue is now causing at least some kind of increased support for this church among Macedonians.

That skenderberg statue is unconstitutional!!! My question is how on earth did it get erected in the first place?

That skenderberg statue is unconstitutional!!! My question is how on earth did it get erected in the first place?

why is it unconstitutional? :dunno: It was erected while breaking some urbanistic procedures (which should have been sanctioned at the time) but nothing more than that. Skenderbeg was part of the city programme for raising new statues.

That skenderberg statue is unconstitutional!!! My question is how on earth did it get erected in the first place?

Unconstitutional is quite a strong word for a simple statue...

But it is true that it was erected breaking the procedures and out of political motives. The same applies to this crazy church they are proposing though.

Try to look at it as a reasonable man, not through macedonian "patriotic" glasses. Like I said to tetovari, double standards are never good.

But it is true that it was erected breaking the procedures and out of political motives. The same applies to this crazy church they are proposing though.


I don't think the motives are quite the same for this church. For the cross on Vodno yes, but not for the church.

I see the church more as a bid of DPMNE to define itself as a demochristian, 'going-back-to-the-roots-and-all-that-crap' party and for the high leadership of the country to leave a historic mark of their rule (in a way they think it's important). Did U read the column in Utrinski today describing Gruevski as a wanna be emperor? She was spot on.

The church should probably present the benevolence of our great great leader :ohno:

Hm, your politicians are interesting. Ours are just carierists trying to profit on widespread corruption, etc. Yours seem to be more conceited - that's interesting :) I guess if our dumb assholes decide to erect statues reminding us of their great mandate and benevolent personalities, we will vandalize them in a couple of days. We're experts in destroying public property for fun anyway :)

@Realek - I havent thrown anything in anybodies face. The Skenderbeg statue was a response to the cross on the mountain.
I just misunderstood and thought that the new church was going to be put in place of Mother Teresa's plack/memorial, then it would have been a real pity because the motives would have been immoral.

@Realek - I havent thrown anything in anybodies face. The Skenderbeg statue was a response to the cross on the mountain.


O RLY???

Ok then, the new church is a response to skenderbeg statue.

:nuts:


And we're not throwing anything in anybodies face

:nuts:



Seriously though, concerning this church, I recently said on a Macedonian forum that we Macedonians should take one good look at the mirror as a nation.

But I'm positive that Albanians in general need such a look in the mirror much more desperately.

I'm yet to hear someone from you guys genuinely criticizing some Albanian nationalistic bullshit. By looking for excuses such as "it was a response" and "i personally didn't throw anything in anybodies face", you're just continuing the hypocrisy. All I hear from Albanians is "excuses" and pointing fingers, not real constructive criticism when something nasty comes from your side...

I was against this church long before I had the time to consider whether it will be on the spot where mother theresa's house used to be. I didn't look for excuses my friend.


BTW, where did you get the idea that Macedonians don't respect mother theresa? She was born and raised here and she is much revered amongst Macedonians, regardless of her nationality. By your logic, most Albanians should also disrespect her because she was a christian.


But enough about this damn church! I'm gonna post some construction pics to get this discussion back on track.

Residential developments in Kisela Voda and Rasadnik

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New private university FON in final stages of construction.

I don't really like it. It looks cheap... But it is a big project worth posting nevertheless

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Construction of Reonski Centar, yet another residential cluster in commieblock area Aerodrom. The surroundings need to be taken care of ASAP. We don't need to wait for the whole cluster to be finished to clean the place up and plant some grass and trees!

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Wow, these residential clusters are desperately in need of some green grass and trees.

Why don't you like the university? I love the glass facade. Looks nice! :cheers:

Wow, these residential clusters are desperately in need of some green grass and trees.

Like I said, they will surely be very neat in the end, like the rest of Aerodrom. But why do they need to wait until they finish all the buildings, to finally start working on the surroundings?

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ic ne ja razbirate politikata, crkvata se gradi za da se izgradi posle dzamijata :)
a ne demek radi skenderbeg sega ovie ke pravele crkva , gluposti , toa se dlaboki politiki ja se cudam zs mora da go pokazete " drugiot vo sebe " dodavajki takvi u stilom OMRAZUVACKI citati za albancite, demek nie sme pokazale celo vreme prst kon vas, abe ti se molam da ne navleguvam vo politika otvori nekogas Sobraniski kanal i vidi koj na kogo pokazuva prst, i od samite tvoi sliki mozes jasno da napravis edna sporedba kolku e desniot breg od vardar urbaniziran za razlika od leviot , ja ziveam vo cair, veke 60 godini sme vo urbanistickiot plan , da da uste 50 drugi ke bideme, posle EJ YOU POINT AT US FINGER pa na koj drug ?A
kako i da e ne sakam da navleguvam vo detalji , kakvi sve drugi raboti imaat nekoi napraveno vo koi sto imam mnogu fakti ,dokazi , no edno ke kazam vo ova nasa drzava site se lopovi , zboram za tie sto se na vlast , od uvek kradele i sekogas ke kradat ni EVROPSKA unija ne moze da gi spasi nitu pak nekoja si perfektna unija , takva im e prirodata,ako ne se drzime nie megu sebe oni si go sredile gazot meko im e ,a nie sme zrtvata ..

aj mitatos te molam...

dzamija na plostad nema da docekas, a da se nadevame deka ovie sto pobrzo ke ja napustat i idiotskata ideja za crkva

a za pokazuvanje na prsti nemoj sega sobraniski kanali da mi kazuvas, eve jas uste cekam nekoj albanec da go osudi nacinot na koj sto bese napravena statuata na skenderbeg (koja megudrugoto mozese sosema legalno da se podigne zatoa sto bese predvidena vo programata za spomen obelezja na grad skopje... ama nekoi "komandanti" sakaa da izigravaat nacionalni heroi :nuts:)

a za megu makedoncite mozes da vidis i tuka na SSC i tamu na build deka poveketo se realni i konstruktivni.


i ne znam zosto pak ja pocnuvas diskusijava... dosta veke od politika vo tredov... da zborime za izgradba poveke


PS: zaboraviv da ti odgovoram za kradenjeto... tuka mozam da se slozam i tuka nema etnicka pripadnost. toj sto krade e lopov, bez razlika dali e makedonec ili albanec. isto taka ne go interesira od kogo krade, dali od makedonci ili od albanci, on ke ukrade od kogo ke stigne. e barem za vakvi raboti da se slozime kako sto vikas, pa ke bide kolku tolku podobro.

WTF is the meaning of this video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R45F89jWJ84 from iLiR's post above? What's wrong with RoM's government? Are they on pot?! Why not just give Skopje to Albania! there're fully asking for it! And to the Albanians who made the video, MACEDONIA GAVE YOU SO MANY RIGHTS, WOULD IT KILL YOU TO HAVE A FLAG OF THE COUNTRY THAT GAVE YOU ALL THESE RIGHTS, THE SAME COUNTRY THAT YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED IN? How many Macedonian flags do you see in the video? You guys even had the nerve to stick an Albanian flag on the Kale (at 2:17). This is not Albania, its Macedonia! But I don't blame you Albanians, I only blame the people who are running the country. I'm sorry if I seem a little harsh, but this totally outrageous!

aj mitatos te molam...

dzamija na plostad nema da docekas, a da se nadevame deka ovie sto pobrzo ke ja napustat i idiotskata ideja za crkva

a za pokazuvanje na prsti nemoj sega sobraniski kanali da mi kazuvas, eve jas uste cekam nekoj albanec da go osudi nacinot na koj sto bese napravena statuata na skenderbeg (koja megudrugoto mozese sosema legalno da se podigne zatoa sto bese predvidena vo programata za spomen obelezja na grad skopje... ama nekoi "komandanti" sakaa da izigravaat nacionalni heroi :nuts:)

a za megu makedoncite mozes da vidis i tuka na SSC i tamu na build deka poveketo se realni i konstruktivni.


i ne znam zosto pak ja pocnuvas diskusijava... dosta veke od politika vo tredov... da zborime za izgradba poveke

Да ти кажам право и мене ми смета скендербег ,со тие пари ке направеа нешто поубаво , скопје имало 128 џамии , нив некој ги рушел претходно а не земјотресот , ивз има тапии за сите до една, ако владата се соочи со ова црква, тогаш биди сигурен дека ивз ке добие место во строгиот центар ако не на истото место сепак во центар ке се гради една џамија, а со денационализацијава мора целото земјиште што го поседува ивз да се врати ,го сметам за погрешен овој потег од владата , убаво кажа некој дека ќе се отвори пандорината кутија , пошто владата не е надлежна за градење објекти , нема никаква правна за такво нешто како и да е ,понастрана од политика и од лопови , сепак ние сме жртва, убаво ти кажав во претходниот пост, неправдата секогаш искача ,ако не денес утре, ако не утре после 100 години , после 1000 но сепак на крај вистината искача ,затоа ти реков не го покажувај ,, другиот во тебе ,, нема потреба од такви искази , ако сум ја жртва и ти си , истиот леб го јадеме , истата вода ја пиеме , ама во никој случај не е праведно да бидеш за некој мајка а за друг маќеа, неправдата секогаш искача , толку за темава .

Lmao I think your on pot. :nuts:

@ macedonia

For god's sake man, let's not ruin the thread even further...


Leave Ilir alone. He is a famous @#%@%%. I feel sorry for his kind. I genuinely do.

He also gives bad image to other Albanians here on SSC unfortunately.

Realek - Your babbling, read my post nr368 i didnt say anything about mother teresa! I read afterwards about them building it on top of her memorial and then learned that it wasnt true and left it at that. Whats crawled up your ass?

And by your reasoning they should build a huge statue of Adem Jashari in the middle of Shkup. Its not your country buddy it our country, as in macedonians and albanians, deal with it.

Albanians have different religions we marry mulim with christian and vice versa its normal. Your have no tolerance or respect for other people.

i in the middle of Shkup.

Now you really hurt my feelings :okay:


Your have no tolerance or respect for other people.

I have no tolerance or respect for your kind of hypocrisy, that's all.


Now if you have something to contribute to this thread about construction and development in Skopje, please do. Otherwise, kindly, get the fuck out of the thread already.

No No, I am not picking on Ilir, I am critisizing the RoM government. But danielmaco, why do you seem so confused on how the statue got erected? Albanians are 40% of the country

Why do you have to write in a different language say it like a man. Macedonia didnt give Albanians shit they had to fight for their rights. Until people learn that the country belongs to both its always going to go wrong.

Please, the word "rights" lost all meaning.

No No, I am not picking on Ilir, I am critisizing the RoM government. But danielmaco, why do you seem so confused on how the statue got erected? Albanians are 40% of the country


What does that post of yours have to do with the topic of this thread???


Anyway I'm finished with my attempts to get the thread back on track. Go ahead ruin it. I'm sure Ilir will be happy.

:goodbye:

The only thing left to give Albanians is Skopje itself.

Go ahead, delete all these posts, and change the name of this thread to [SHKUP] - Development & Construction V

:lol:

Shkup/Skopje dont have an identity crisis on me now, it all means the same thing. And i have every right to post here, this aint the 90's. Cant you see that the more extreme your posts get the more extreme Ilirs posts get? He's just making fun of you cause your a joke man, that all you are is a joke!

A while back you started trolling albanian threads to pay back for Ilirs posts, didnt you get smarter since then? Didnt you learn anything? Take the high road try to be a better person or be bitter all your life the only that its hurting is yourself... Good nite!

Some nice construction going on there, dam.

Shkup/Skopje dont have an identity crisis on me now, it all means the same thing. And i have every right to post here, this aint the 90's. Cant you see that the more extreme your posts get the more extreme Ilirs posts get? He's just making fun of you cause your a joke man, that all you are is a joke!

I didn't even say a damn thing. I commented on the university and asked Realek why he didn't like the glass facade. Then this nutcase bugged out over a music video. Then Realek insults me. And I get blamed? :lol:

Realek - Your babbling, read my post nr368 i didnt say anything about mother teresa! I read afterwards about them building it on top of her memorial and then learned that it wasnt true and left it at that. Whats crawled up your ass?

And by your reasoning they should build a huge statue of Adem Jashari in the middle of Shkup. Its not your country buddy it our country, as in macedonians and albanians, deal with it.

Albanians have different religions we marry mulim with christian and vice versa its normal. Your have no tolerance or respect for other people.



Uhhh... ovo podseca na nesto sto se vec dogodilo, malo severnije... uzas... :ohno:

Calm down, no one is blaming you. So I am a nutcase because I spoke about the video...Then waht are you for including it in every post?

Some great residential developments in Skoplje!:yes:
Thanks for the photos,Realek!:okay:

Those kids on the video desperately need fake toy AK-47s!!! This is neither nationalistic, neither hip-hop video, so the producers must have missed the point!

Work on the surroundings of the residentials should begin immediately. They look too dark and gloomy at the moment. Some nice pine trees and gardens would make a great impact.

Nice update Realek!!!!

Skopje is nice!

Work on the surroundings of the residentials should begin immediately. They look too dark and gloomy at the moment. Some nice pine trees and gardens would make a great impact.

yes I agree that buildings look too gloomy and reconstruction is needed

Ke се гради првата зграда од „Ера сити“

Денеска во Скопски саем ќе биде поставен камен-темелникот на првата зграда од комплексот „Ера сити“ - Скопје. На настанот ќе присуствуваат премиерот Никола Груевски, министерот за надворешни работи на Словенија Димитриј Рупел и претседателот на групацијата Ера Гвидо Омладич. Првиот објект од „Ера сити“ е најсовремена деловна зграда на десет ката со површина од 33.600 квадратни метри. Објектот ќе биде наменет за домашни и странски претпријатија и организации кои влегуваат на македонскиот пазар. Во иднина во комплексот ќе биде изграден и трговски центар со подземен паркинг на површина од 85.000 квадратни метри и мегамаркет за непрехранбени стоки. Инвестицијата на групацијата „Ера“ во комплексот „Ера сити“ - Скопје во следните пет години ќе изнесува близу 150 милиони евра и ќе отвори околу 800 работни места. (С.Н.)

Any more info on this project?

^^

U got a damn short memory KM :). No 3 goes U/C today and No 6 should go U/C this year if ERA respects its own deadlines

Urban plan:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3966/era3757urbanplanyq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Building No 3:
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4755/era3956eracity003rw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t294/dewrob/4424_eracity005.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t294/dewrob/1198_eracity006.jpg

What part of Shkup is the project located?

Some photos of the Era City beginning construction phase

http://i31.tinypic.com/9vazja.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/348ha9k.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/15nwoyh.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/2whqwjn.jpg

heh i can't see any priests;)

Are there some renders of that project?

Are there some renders of that project?

Ur really feeling lazy aren't U :D. It's only on the previous page

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18114308&postcount=460

^^ It's only about building 3 and the overall plan :(

^^ It's only about building 3 and the overall plan :(

that's what they've revealed so far :(. Bulding 3 is going U/C for now anyways so I'd wait a bit more to get excited about the rest of the project. The question is not IF it's gonna happen but WHEN.

If we're to beleive them No. 6 will go U/C this year as well.

1, 4 and 5 already exist BTW

I see..I hope there will be more info soon :)

Hej guys, im reading this forum for sometime and i decide to join. To give my comments and reviews about future projects and development of Skopje. Hi to everyone!!!

Welcome :)

Who is the major investor for the Era city project?

Who is the major investor for the Era city project?

^^ Btw , Happy aniversary of the birth of that great guy who's on your avatar. :cheers:

@blejdsk welcome :cheers:

@Macedonia Slovenian ERA group is pushing the whole project. In parts they are the sole investors and in parts they go with partherships with others (the mall should be a partnership)

What part of Shkup is the project located?


.....?

^^

oh U know already why noone replied :)

Anyways it's towards the eastern exit of the city on that boulevard which turns into a highway later on

^^

oh U know already why noone replied :)

Anyways it's towards the eastern exit of the city on that boulevard which turns into a highway later on

Why wouldn't they reply?

Because nobody here knows what the heck this "Shkup" is:?

Every macedonian knows what it is, trust me. ;) Its the capital. Shkup/Skopje same thing. :cheers:

Битка за центарот на Скопје

Планот за Мал ринг е донесен по 15 години замрена градежна активност во срцето на Македонија

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/79E4B8B7E3CC9347BCF3BF87FB6A8241.jpg

Последните измени и дополнувања на ДУП за Малиот ринг плоштадот „Македонија“, кој до скоро беше празен, го исполнуваат со повеќе големи објекти: 1. Градска куќа; 2. Музеи на ВМРО и на жртвите од комунизмот; 3. Хотел; 4. Црква; 5. Катна гаража; 6. Деловна зграда на шест ката; 7. Скулптура на Александар Македонски; 8. Скулптура на Никола Карев; 9. Скулптура на Даме Груев

Деспина Трајковска
Билјана Ангеловска

Идејата за изградба на црква на просторот помеѓу „Дал мет фу“ и Стоковна куќа на плоштадот повторно го актуализираше прашањето за урбанистичкото планирање на центарот на Скопје. Одлуката особено ја разбранува стручната јавност со оглед на тоа дека Деталниот план за Мал ринг ќе треба повторно да се менува и тоа само три месеци откако Советот на Центар ги усвои последните измени и дополнувања.

Се поставува прашањето - што треба навистина да се гради во срцето на државава, плоштадот „Македонија“ и дали актуелниот ДУП е доволно модерен да ги следи современите текови на архитектонското творештво.

„Малиот ринг има опфат само на најцентралното подрачје на Скопје, кое порано се градеше според разработката на Генералниот план од 1965 година во детални планови донесени во Градско собрание во 1967 година. Планот за Мал ринг дојде како ДУП по 30 години, во 1997 година, што значи имаше прекин цели 30 години. Поради тоа, откако се изградија големите потези како ГТЦ, Поштата, новиот мост ’Гоце Делчев‘, во 1970-тите години се запре, бидејќи другите градби беа преголеми за тогашното општество. Додека да се направи конкурсот за нов план во 1991 година, имаше 15 години градежна неактивност во центарот, што беше индикатор дека дотогашниот план не може да генерира развој, зашто не е приспособен на новите услови“, вели еден од авторите на ДУП за Мал ринг професор Мирослав Грчев.

Тој појаснува дека во ДУП од 1997 година воопшто не било предвидено во центарот да се градат стокатници. Најголемата висина на објектите била проектирана според постојните „Метропол“ и Стоковната куќа.

„Горниот венец на објектите е одреден на 22,5 метри, со што се направи нивелација на сите објекти што треба да се градат. Само на површините за градба планирани на место на Офицерскиот дом и Народна банка се дозволува висина со 25 проценти кулно надвишување. Со тоа се дава можност за идните проектанти да прават реплика, односно историски омаж на зградите кои до земјотресот формираа архитектонска капија на Камениот мост. Таа висина е дозволена само на тие два објекта за да се формира архитектонска вертикала“, појаснува Грчев.

За сегашниот изглед на плоштадот надлежните од Општина Центар го обвинуваат Грчев. Оттаму велат дека тој, како автор на ДУП за Мал ринг, предвидел изградба на големи објекти и драстично го нарушил концептот на Кензо Танге од 1966 година. Од планот произлегле недоследности во решавање на сообраќајот во однос на примарната градска улична мрежа и на просторот кој гравитира од двете страни на Вардар.

Општинарите тврдат дека ДУП-от бил донесен без позитивно мислење од тогашниот Завод за заштита на спомениците на културата на Град Скопје, а подоцна, како градоначалник на Општина Центар и ревидент на ГУП за Град Скопје, Грчев успеал на незаконски начин да обезбеди целосна вграденост на донесениот ДУП Мал ринг во ГУП.

„Со тоа Општина Центар се обврза во идните планерски активности да не може да отстапи од концептот на планот од 1997 година“, објаснуваат од Центар, посочувајќи дека врз основа на обврските што произлегуваат од законската регулатива, изменетиот и дополнет ДУП од пред три месеци ги има преземено сите објекти од претходно испланираните површини за градба.

Архитектот Грчев тврди дека ДУП за Мал ринг е работен на ниво на архитектонска и урбанистичка мисла до 1994 година, при што поминал неколку нивоа на стручна и јавна расправа, преработка, доработка, и тоа се' во органите на Град Скопје. Планот бил подготвуван и дотеруван според сите забелешки се' до 1996 година, кога дошол на усвојување во тогашното Градско собрание. Но, процесот бил стопиран, бидејќи тогаш биле донесени законски измени со кои усвојувањето на урбанистичките планови го преземаат општините. Во меѓувреме, Грчев станал градоначалник на Општина Центар, а потоа планот бил изгласан од општинските советници.

Што се однесува до пропадната идеја за изградба на хотел „Шератон“ на местото на некогашниот Офицерски дом, што како иницијатива произлезе од македонскиот архитект Ото Ташковиќ, Грчев вели дека Ташковиќ почнал да лобира во 1991 година, за набрзо му биде доделено земјиште од страна на тогашниот министер за урбанизам Александар Лепавцов.

„Ташковиќ ја доби цела локацијата каде што треба да биде Градската куќа за да изгради хотел ’Шератон‘. Но, во тоа време во сила беше Планот од 1967 година и министерот Лепавцов потпиша за локација што ја нацрта онака како што сонил, не по план, туку од ракав. Тоа решение го обжалив и Уставниот суд го поништи. Тогаш целата идеја беше спроведена незаконски, инаку никој, па ни јас немам против ’Шератон‘ да се гради во центарот на Скопје“, тврди Грчев.



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Hej guys, im reading this forum for sometime and i decide to join. To give my comments and reviews about future projects and development of Skopje. Hi to everyone!!!
Welcome:D

Thanks for the article CrazySerb.

Can someone please translate the article above about Macedonia Square? (We Macedonians from Greece are not fortunate like everyone else when it comes to reading Macedonian, we're all illiterate :) )

^^

it's in the context of the new church being build. They are basically discussing the evolution of the current DUP from the area and the stalemate that existed in the construction of that area since the late 70s to the late 90s (because the state of the country of that time obviously couldn't handle what was approved by the original Tange plan).

The creator of the current DUP, Miroslav Grcev defends his work (I'd say with arguments).

So it's really no news, just analysis of the whole area and the evolution of the urban unit.

:cheers:

Битка за центарот на Скопје

Планот за Мал ринг е донесен по 15 години замрена градежна активност во срцето на Македонија

http://www.utrinski.com.mk/WBStorage/Articles/79E4B8B7E3CC9347BCF3BF87FB6A8241.jpg

Neznam dali nekoj gledase vecerva na A1 , emisija KOD se zborese za urbnata mafija. BTW sakam da kazam bese pokazan proektot za deloven centar (na mapata br. 6) i zgleda stvarno dobro, barem mene mi se dopaga. Do samiot objekt ke ima podzemna ulica pokreaj kejot. No da ne zboram mnogu eve ja statijata od VEST.



ЗА НОВАТА ЗГРАДА НА ПЛОШТАД
Подземната улица ќе почнува кај "Холидеј ин"
Инвеститорите "Дивелоп" и "Латис", кои ќе ја градат и новата зграда на плоштад Македонија, во договорот со Градот се обврзале да ја изградат подземната улица, која според пресметките ќе чини меѓу 2 и 3 милиони евра

Влезот во подземната улица под кеј 13 Ноември ќе биде од улицата Васил Аџиларски кај хотелот "Холидеј ин" и таа ќе биде 4,5 метри под земја. Оваа подземна улица ќе ја градат фирмите "Дивелоп" и "Латис", кои се инвеститори и на новата зграда која ќе се гради на местото на некогашна Народна банка на плоштад Македонија.
Александар Ивановски, управител на "Дивелоп", вели дека во договорот за надоместокот за добивање одобрение за градба кој му го платиле на Градот, се обврзале дека ќе ја изградат и подземната пристапна улица под Кејот и дека таа ќе биде завршена најдоцна за две години. Улицата ќе биде широка седум метри.
"Планираме во горниот дел од улицата, поточно под шеталиштето да поставивме бетонска подлога. Обврзани сме шест месеци по добивање на градежната дозвола за објектот да почнеме со изградба на подземната пристапна улица, која ќе оди под Кејот од 'Холидеј ин' до нашиот објект. Рокот за завршување на улицата е 1,5 година, така што максимум за две години таа ќе биде завршена. Во моментов се работи главниот проект, кој потоа ќе треба да оди на одобрување во Градот. За да ја изградиме улицата, според некои груби пресметки, ќе ни требаат 2-3 милиони евра", вели Ивановски.
Јован Христовски, раководител на секторот за сообраќај во Градот, вели дека согласно деталниот урбанистички план "Мал ринг", пристапната подземна улица под Кејот ќе биде на првото подземно ниво за сообраќајница, а дека под неа Градот треба да ја изгради магистралната подземна улица која ќе понира од завршетокот на булевар Партизански одреди, кај зградата "Тифани", ќе минува под Плоштадот, под Кејот, и ќе излезе кај Комплекс банки.
На инвеститорите на новата зграда на Плоштад им било понудено да изберат дали ќе ја градат пристапната подземна улица под Кејот или онаа што минува под Плоштадот. Ивановски вели дека една од паричните поради која одбрале да ја градат подземната пристапна улица под Кејот е тоа што таму нема подземни инсталации како под Плоштадот.
(Е.А.)

Any projected dates on when the square will be completed according to Grcev's plan?

Any projected dates on when the square will be completed according to Grcev's plan?

none.. it's of the projects is individual... it's just a maste plan

Can someone please translate the article above about Macedonia Square? (We Macedonians from Greece are not fortunate like everyone else when it comes to reading Macedonian, we're all illiterate :) )
Don't say that, you're not illiterate:p It's juts the Cyrillic letters...

Btw i'm not sure about a date, coz everything always takes longer than expected.

@blejd odlicna informacija. Kje se potrudam da iskopam screenshot od emisijata KOD da go vidime objektot.

Ako e stvarno dobar proektot jas sum definitivno za. So markicata nemam nekoj problem.

Any projected dates on when the square will be completed according to Grcev's plan?

My opinion 2010-2011 the squre fill be fit and nice, i hope....:ohno:

@dejan: Its not just the cyrillic, its the language too, we speak a broken dialect of Macedonian that originates from 100 years ago, its quite different from the present language taught in Macedonian schools (which is more up-to-date). Our dialect also has many Greek words mixed into it.

@blejd odlicna informacija. Kje se potrudam da iskopam screenshot od emisijata KOD da go vidime objektot.

Ako e stvarno dobar proektot jas sum definitivno za. So markicata nemam nekoj problem.

da da.. objektot e odlicen celiot e zastaklen odlicen futuristicki dizajn. Vnatre ke bide trgovski i deloven centar so svetski brendovi,,, nekolku pati ja go dadoa objektot kako ke izgleda taman go zemav mobilniot da slikam od Tv ,ama toklu zafrsi. Sega se obiduvam da najdam odredeni Sliki no tesko mi odi ...:banana:

Ja imas emisijata na A1.com ...

Ja imas emisijata na A1.com ...


da, vekje gleam

„Горниот венец на објектите е одреден на 22,5 метри, со што се направи нивелација на сите објекти што треба да се градат. Само на површините за градба планирани на место на Офицерскиот дом и Народна банка се дозволува висина со 25 проценти кулно надвишување. Со тоа се дава можност за идните проектанти да прават реплика, односно историски омаж на зградите кои до земјотресот формираа архитектонска капија на Камениот мост. Таа висина е дозволена само на тие два објекта за да се формира архитектонска вертикала“, појаснува Грчев.


Неће реконструисати зграде Официрског дома и Народне банке? Ееее, а басш сам се понадао... И не разумем зашто цква на главном тргу, поред трговинског центра, а већ има једна на 30м одатле преко реке... О Великом Алекси нећу сада, али мислим да има и заслужнијих имена која би се нашла на том тргу.

Eve nesto sto mozev da storam da se vidi nesto , so digitalen slikav. Ne se dobri
ama kolku da se ima pretstava ok se..

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc298/blejdsk/3.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc298/blejdsk/2.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc298/blejdsk/1.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc298/blejdsk/1.jpg

Неће реконструисати зграде Официрског дома и Народне банке? Ееее, а басш сам се понадао...

Oficerski dom will be built for sure almost identical. The Narodna banka building will just resemble the old project.

И не разумем зашто цква на главном тргу, поред трговинског центра, а већ има једна на 30м одатле преко реке...

I agree. No sane person supports the project anyway. There is still hope.

О Великом Алекси нећу сада, али мислим да има и заслужнијих имена која би се нашла на том тргу.

Again I agree and again I believe there is hope to change that project.

@blade

I extracted 2 pictures with the same methodology :)

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Copyof05022008003.jpg

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee251/djurob_bucket/Copyof05022008005.jpg

What is your opinion about this project? Do you like it....