^^ that's good then.

I believe in the coming years, specially because Indonesia is gearing up to be one of the most important countries in the world. Australia's stance on some issues between 2 countries will soften a bit.

^^ that's good then.

I believe in the coming years, specially because Indonesia is gearing up to be one of the most important countries in the world. Australia's stance on some issues between 2 countries will soften a bit.

yeah i wish so :D

time for me to get some sleep. happy weekend for all you guys :hi:

^^ thanks! you have a good weekend as well!

I was browsing BBC's FOOD INGREDIENTS and saw this..

FISH SAUCE!! haha my whole life, I thought that only Filipinos use this. until just a few recent years.. :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/images/food_16x9_608/foods/f/fish_sauce_16x9.jpg
(image from http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/fish_sauce )
A powerful thin brown sauce used in numerous Asian cuisines. It is made by fermenting small whole fish in brine and drawing off the liquid, which is then bottled. It smells pungent and tastes very salty, although cooking greatly reduces its ‘fishiness’ and simply adds a richness and a layer of flavour to cooked dishes. It's frequently used in Thailand, where it is known as nam pla. In the Philippines it’s known as patis, in Vietnam it's called nuoc nam, and it's known as shottsuru in Japan.


anybody knows from which country this humble fish sauce really originated from??

but your story a lil bit different with what my grandma's told me. she was a nurse in west sumatera that time. she said japanese is more cruel than the dutch. remember romusha?
do you know about lobang jepang in bukittinggi? you can take a visit there. it is a massive barrack that people with technology that time seems impossible to bulid it in only 3 years. hundreds of locals were being forced to build the shit, and if there're people die, japanese army just throwed the body to Ngarai Sianok (Sianok Canyon)

that's why i said it depends on which part of japanese force? navy or army? and of course it depends on officers in each region...

we need to read history books as well...if we depend on personal account (grandma, grandpa, etc), they're surely different from one another...

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^^ I'm just happy relations between Philippines and Indonesia are not that complicated. or is it?? :)

^^ I'm just happy relations between Philippines and Indonesia are not that complicated. or is it?? :)

Indonesia and the Philippines are always cool to each other I suppose :cheers:

^^ I'm just happy relations between Philippines and Indonesia are not that complicated. or is it?? :)

I think there is still very little communication, very little inter-nation trade between the two nations. That's why they are "cool" to each other.


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Since Philippines have a new tourism slogan - "Come Visit My Philippines"...

Malaysia has got a new sub-slogan - "Best Time of Your Life - Malaysia, Truly Asia" indicating a more personalised touch in promoting tourism to quality tourists.

I think there is still very little communication, very little inter-nation trade between the two nations. That's why they are "cool" to each other.


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Since Philippines have a new tourism slogan - "Come Visit My Philippines"...

Malaysia has got a new sub-slogan - "Best Time of Your Life - Malaysia, Truly Asia" indicating a more personalised touch in promoting tourism to quality tourists.

no, i think it's because we have a mutual enemy :D


:jk:

no, i think it's because we have a mutual enemy :D


:jk:

nyahaha :lol::lol:

I was browsing BBC's FOOD INGREDIENTS and saw this..

FISH SAUCE!! haha my whole life, I thought that only Filipinos use this. until just a few recent years.. :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/images/food_16x9_608/foods/f/fish_sauce_16x9.jpg
(image from http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/fish_sauce )
A powerful thin brown sauce used in numerous Asian cuisines. It is made by fermenting small whole fish in brine and drawing off the liquid, which is then bottled. It smells pungent and tastes very salty, although cooking greatly reduces its ‘fishiness’ and simply adds a richness and a layer of flavour to cooked dishes. It's frequently used in Thailand, where it is known as nam pla. In the Philippines it’s known as patis, in Vietnam it's called nuoc nam, and it's known as shottsuru in Japan.


anybody knows from which country this humble fish sauce really originated from??

Patis? Sounds like Petis
http://bisnisukm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/petis.jpg
It made from sweet soya sauce and fermented prawn paste :D

Taken from the pages of His Majesty's site, the Sultan of Sulu himself. Let us hear what he has to say. :) He also presents The Deed of Sabah Lease of 1878

http://royalsulu.com/issues.html

Sabah or North Borneo and the island of Palawan were bestowed as gifts to the Sultan of Sulu by the Sultan of Brunei in 1658 in gratitude for the assistance of the Sultan of Sulu to avert a civil war in Borneo. Thus, since that time, Sabah became a property of the Sultan of Sulu and the Sultanate of Sulu. Sabah's problem is that Tenant (Malaysia) is not paying the right amount of rent to the Lessor Landlord (Sultan of Sulu).

In 1878, HM Sultan Jamalul Ahlam Kiram (The Sultan of Sulu and The Sultan of Sabah), as the legitimate owner, leased Sabah to a British company of Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and Alfred Dent for their use and their heirs but the Lease prohibits the transfer of Sabah to any nation, company or individual without the consent of His Majesty's Government (“Government of the Sultan of Sulu”). The transfer of Sabah by Great Britain to Malaysia in 1963 constituted a breach of the provisions of the 1878 Lease as the Government of the Sultan of Sulu did not consent to the transfer to Malaysia. As a point in law, Sabah must and should be returned to the Lessor as owners (the Sultan of Sulu and the Sultanate of Sulu).

In 1906 and 1920, the United States formally reminded Great Britain that Sabah did not belong to Great Britain and was still part of the Sultanate of Sulu but Great Britain ignored and did not listen to the reminder of the USA and transferred Sabah to Malaysia in 1963. This transfer is prohibited under the Sabah Lease of 1878.

The continued occupation of Sabah by Malaysia is illegal and it must end. Malaysia pays the heirs of the Sultan of Sulu very small annual rent of PhP77,442.36 or US$1,500 for Sabah a real estate property with land area of 73,711 square kilometers. This very small yearly rent is unjust and unfair and it is unacceptable and indefensible how Malaysia can stay in Sabah by paying so little amount of rent per year.

Sabah contributes US$30 billion GDP to the Malaysian economy annually and looking at fair commercial rental property transactions the Lessor can expect to receive rental payment of at least 10% to 12% or US$3 billion to US$3.6 billion per year from the Tenant. But the Lessor only received a measly US$1,500 per year so the Malaysian payment needs to be discussed and re-negotiated to the satisfaction of everybody concerned.

Due to the unfair and unjust treatment of Malaysia of the Sabah owners regarded as Un-Islamic and Haram and the lack of economic developments in the Sultanate of Sulu and also in Sabah many pro independence groups advocate independence of Sulu and Sabah. Malaysia is a Muslim nation that grabs Sabah the land owned by Muslims from the Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia's land-grabbing of Sabah is betrayal of Islam - - and of the norms of civilized society !


http://royalsulu.com/images/deed1878b.gif

Remember --> Singapore, Brunei, Sabah and Sarawak were separate colonies under the British Empire, and each of them have their own history. Sabah is unique as it was under a "company" before it was transferred to the British Empire.



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Sabah wasn't transferred' but summarily annexed after the war. It was never returned. Just a correction.


As for Philippine-Indonesian relationships- we need closer ties with each other.

I was browsing BBC's FOOD INGREDIENTS and saw this..

FISH SAUCE!! haha my whole life, I thought that only Filipinos use this. until just a few recent years.. :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/images/food_16x9_608/foods/f/fish_sauce_16x9.jpg
(image from http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/fish_sauce )
A powerful thin brown sauce used in numerous Asian cuisines. It is made by fermenting small whole fish in brine and drawing off the liquid, which is then bottled. It smells pungent and tastes very salty, although cooking greatly reduces its ‘fishiness’ and simply adds a richness and a layer of flavour to cooked dishes. It's frequently used in Thailand, where it is known as nam pla. In the Philippines it’s known as patis, in Vietnam it's called nuoc nam, and it's known as shottsuru in Japan.


Fish sauce is one of the most important ingredient in Thai food.
Thai fish sauce mostly made from this fish.
http://www.pichaifishsauce.com/oldweb/thai/images/fs-1.jpg

Fish sauce is one of the most important ingredient in Thai food.
Thai fish sauce mostly made from this fish.
http://www.pichaifishsauce.com/oldweb/thai/images/fs-1.jpg

Jufran, a Philippine company manufactures 'Patis' or Philippine Fish Sauce in Thailand and selling it back in the Philippines.

Btw it's nuoc mam in VN not nuoc nam.

Sabah wasn't transferred' but summarily annexed after the war. It was never returned. Just a correction.


As for Philippine-Indonesian relationships- we need closer ties with each other.


Don't get me wrong. I was saying way after the annexed of Sabah by British East India Company (note: its a company, not British Government).

Modern times history as whole of Sabah (except the west coast part) was only formally transferred to the British Government in 1888. You can view in Wikipedia for very brief history of Sabah.



from >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sabah

In 1883 the capital was moved to Sandakan to capitalise on its potential of vast timber resources. In 1885, United Kingdom, Spain and Germany signed the Madrid Protocol of 1885. The purpose of the protocol was to recognise the sovereignty of Spain in the Sulu Archipelago and also for Spain to relinquish all claims it may have over North Borneo.

In 1888 North Borneo became a protectorate of the United Kingdom. Administration and control over North Borneo remained in the hands of the Company despite being a protectorate and they effectively ruled until 1942.

(Sabah was then known as North Borneo)


For those accountants, under convention IASB and commercial law, you'll know that the lessor (British East India) has the right to pursuit the lease (Sabah) after a certain period. Ownership of the asset (Sabah) is transferred to the lessee (British East India) at the end of the lease term. Read: Finance Lease under IAS 17, "Leases".

Since Spain has ceded control over North Borneo since 1885, and that the earlier transaction between Royal Sulu and British East India Company was deemed comemrcial.

^^ British East India Company also represents the British Empire and has very close ties with the British government. Does 'Opium War' sounds familiar?

Pretty much most of British colonies became so due to this company.

I remembered an article in Asiaweek 15 years ago (my father was once a subscriber of the said magazine) about the life of Sukarno (is my spelling correct?). What makes me surprising that there's a picture of Indonesian children with Japanese solders celebrating the liberation. After reading the article, I wondered myself why the Indonesians welcomed the Japanese, while Filipinos are not.

@wawawa's post is the answer I am looking for. And yes, I agree that we thank US as a colonizer, at least (but then the CPP are bunch of ingrates, but it's irrelevant to the topic).

Fun fact, there was a US federal law called Tydings-McDuffie Act that granted Philippines an independence in ten years time. But then, the Second World War came in.

I guess that hate really depends on the level/length of atrocities/destruction committed in one's country. For example, Taiwan, was also occupied by the Japanese but the Taiwanese don't really hate/distrust them that much.

I think the Philippines just have a more welcoming culture- we tend to have good relationships with a lot of countries even those who oppressed us.

exactly! which sometimes i think is not good also:| :weird:

malaysia should return sabah to the sultan of jolo sulu,malaysia is a number one supplier of arms to the muslims in the southern philippines,the create trouble and brainwash the uneducate muslims to fight the philippine government so that we ca not reclaim that pieces of the philippine teretory to the malaysian who rented the whole state since the occupations of the british slave master to malaysia.they should pay more trillions of dollars to the sultan of jolo,what is 70 thousand ringgit as a monthly payments?truly malaysia is not friend but enemy of the muslims pilipinos because they are land grabber.:bash::ohno:

^^ British East India Company also represents the British Empire and has very close ties with the British government. Does 'Opium War' sounds familiar?

Pretty much most of British colonies became so due to this company.

In laymen term, yes, British East India is a proxy to British Government.

But in reality, at that point of time, British East India lands are not part of British imperialism/politics and the Charter of colonies. It was essentially a trade company that has close ties to British Government just like modern-day "government-linked companies".

But then of course, in the later part, politics intervened and somehow it began to involve British imperialism and military.

Just like how the British stole lands in other places around the world, undeniably, you cannot change that history and have to learn to live with it. If the Sabah issue would be debated, then I think many more places that used to be British colonies would start to do the same.

Sabah got its independence from the British and chosen to join Malaya and British Straits Settlement States, Sarawak and Singapore to form the Federation of Malaysia in 1963. At that time, Philippines protested and the issue went up to the United Nations, but was not successful.

Today, you want to protest again? I think Philippines have "millions" more important issues to handle first.

Just like how we gave away Singapore, and how Indonesia gave away Timor Leste, I think our nations have compromised well and generous enough to do so, in accordance to our Asian culture of giving and in respect of the wishes of the people of Sabah and our "beloved" ASEAN Charter of respecting sovereignty. I asked the same from the Philippines. I also asked the same from China to respect the sovereignty of the Philippines over Spratly and South China Sea.

Today as we become more integrated as 1 Community, I think we should put aside geo-political issues as ECONOMIC MUTUAL BENEFITS should be our biggest focus.

Cheers :cheers:

Hi guys any update on Asean nations?

Don't get me wrong. I was saying way after the annexed of Sabah by British East India Company (note: its a company, not British Government).

Modern times history as whole of Sabah (except the west coast part) was only formally transferred to the British Government in 1888. You can view in Wikipedia for very brief history of Sabah.





For those accountants, under convention IASB and commercial law, you'll know that the lessor (British East India) has the right to pursuit the lease (Sabah) after a certain period. Ownership of the asset (Sabah) is transferred to the lessee (British East India) at the end of the lease term. Read: Finance Lease under IAS 17, "Leases".

Since Spain has ceded control over North Borneo since 1885, and that the earlier transaction between Royal Sulu and British East India Company was deemed comemrcial.

WIKIPEDIA is the m0st stupid source to be posted, that's n0t realiable...WIKIPEDIA can be edited by someone else. Understood? Find a realiable source ok?--JHt

Don't get me wrong. I was saying way after the annexed of Sabah by British East India Company (note: its a company, not British Government).

Modern times history as whole of Sabah (except the west coast part) was only formally transferred to the British Government in 1888. You can view in Wikipedia for very brief history of Sabah.





For those accountants, under convention IASB and commercial law, you'll know that the lessor (British East India) has the right to pursuit the lease (Sabah) after a certain period. Ownership of the asset (Sabah) is transferred to the lessee (British East India) at the end of the lease term. Read: Finance Lease under IAS 17, "Leases".

Since Spain has ceded control over North Borneo since 1885, and that the earlier transaction between Royal Sulu and British East India Company was deemed comemrcial.

WIKIPEDIA is the m0st stupid source to be posted, that's n0t realiable...WIKIPEDIA can be edited by someone else. Understood? Find a realiable source ok?--JHt

^^ I'm just happy relations between Philippines and Indonesia are not that complicated. or is it?? :)


Indonesia is a friendly country for the philippines,they are n0t self-centered country n0t like *bleep* in ASEAN...they were n0t rude n0t like *bleep* in ASEAN,,,THier country is n0t a kind of a country to discriminate the people and the c0untry ,their country is N0T arrogant even they are the largest ec0nomy in ASEAN'...ra.e c

WIKIPEDIA is the m0st stupid source to be posted, that's n0t realiable...WIKIPEDIA can be edited by someone else. Understood? Find a realiable source ok?--JHt

It's alrite if you don't believe Wikipedia because there might be mistakes, but certainly not in those few lines. You can read more in this book: A history of modern Sabah (North Borneo, 1881-1963) K. G Tregonning (Author)

Btw I was wondering what is the tourist movement between Indonesia and the Philippines?



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Anyway, let's move on... two things I'm really happy today:
- my sis's son is getting into Raffles Institution Singapore, probably the most prestigious high school in ASEAN
- I really like Indonesia Government's upmost focus on the economy. Almost on daily basis we hear very positive stories about Indonesia and its economy. Congrats!

Today's news:



Indonesia govt hopes foreign arrivals will exceed 7.7m this year
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Sat, 12/03/2011 1:17 PM
http://www.thejakartapost.com/files/images2/tabel-bisnis.main%20story.jpg

The government is optimistic that foreign tourist arrivals will exceed expectations, even though arrivals as of October were so far only 80 percent of the proposed target.

Tourism and Creative Economy Ministry spokesman I Gusti Ngurah Putra said that the government was optimistic that the target could be reached because November and December were among the peak holiday months.

In addition, he said that the ministry is expecting 9.5 million arrivals in 2014 with tourist expenditures reaching $10.93 billion. Based on 2010 World Travel and Tourism Council (WTTC) data, Indonesia’s tourism sector contributed 9.1 percent to gross domestic product (GDP) and employed 8.9 million people.

Read More >>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/12/03/govt-hopes-foreign-arrivals-will-exceed-77m-year.html




In fact I would think Singapore is the closest ASEAN nation to the US because essentially the US needs Singapore more than other ASEAN nation.

S'pore counts most in region, says US envoy
By Reico Wong | my paper | Friday, Dec 02, 2011

THE United States is set to intensify diplomatic efforts to produce even more favourable conditions for trade with Singapore, as the world's largest economy's foreign policy pivots towards Asia, US ambassador to Singapore David Adelman said yesterday.

Noting the strong growth prospects of the region against a backdrop of gloom in the developed countries, he pointed out that US exports to Asia in the first quarter of last year surpassed its exports to Europe for the first time.

Read More >>> http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20111202-313931.html




Western Digital Restarts Thailand Operations
The Wall Street Journal | Dec 2, 2011
By MATT JARZEMSKY And BEN FOX RUBIN

NEW YORK—Western Digital Corp. restarted production at a Thailand facility a week ahead of schedule and sharply raised its revenue outlook for the current quarter, showing progress in recovering from devastating floods in the country.

The announcement suggests the hard-disk-drive maker, which typically makes about 60% of its products in Thailand, may stem market-share losses to rivals such as Seagate Technology Inc. Western Digital has suspended operations as it works to clean up buildings and equipment that had been under as much as six feet of water since October.

Read More >>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204826704577074241528673350.html




Philippine Soap Opera Is a Downer: The Ticker
Bloomberg
By William Pesek Dec 3, 2011 7:31 AM GMT+0800

Give it up for Benigno Aquino. The Philippine president isn't averse to taking risks that could leave his $200 billion economy and 102 million people better off.

Start with his bold stance against the powerful Catholic Church, which impedes access to contraception and family planning in a decidedly overpopulated nation. Aquino is going after the billions watchdog groups say Ferdinand Marcos looted during his 21 years in power. Now he's holding his predecessor, Gloria Arroyo, to account for alleged corruption.

...even more important as Europe's crisis zooms Asia's way: The Philippines may be too distracted by domestic soap operas to modernize its rickety economy.

Read More >>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-02/philippine-soap-opera-is-a-downer-the-ticker.html




Malaysia continues with its economic reforms.

It has been announced that Malaysia will abolish import duty on luxury goods effective Jan 1, 2012

Luxury brands coming to Malaysia: YTL MD
Business Times | Dec 2, 2011

Luxury brands are coming to Malaysia to invest following the government's announcement on the abolition of import duty on about 300 luxury items with effect from January next year, YTL Corp Bhd managing director Tan Sri Dr Francis Yeo said.

He said watch makers and artisans are already capitalising on this duty-free status as they are greatly impressed by the new potential of Malaysia as a luxury shopping haven.

"We now house the world's first stand-alone Hermes Horloger boutique, a French icon".

Read More >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111202214452/Article/index_html


Amongst recent openings of uncommon luxury brands in KL are: Michael Kors, Victoria's Secret, Versace Jeans, Pepe Jeans, etc and many many more are opening soon...

http://www.moodiereport.com/images2/victorias_secret_KLIA_dec11.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5733/amouage.jpg

[img]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2243/gaultierj.jpg

I agree that Singapore is very important to the United States. :D :D Therefore as a reward for that important partnership and for the continued growth of Majulah Singapura, I would pro'lley advocate for the annexation and transfer to Singapore of Johore Bahru and Johor, by a quick referendum amongst the local JB & Johor populace (& under the protection of the US Armed Forces) ... :D :D I am pretty sure majority of them JB folk would vote for union with the Lion City... and likewise, Singapore needs the lands of JB for further HDB estates and industrial parks and watersheds. SG would then have to build a Great Wall of Singapore to seal off JB from the rest of Truly Asia.

http://go2travelmalaysia.com/maps/images/johor_mp1.jpg

:jk:
Sabah wasn't transferred' but summarily annexed after the war. It was never returned. Just a correction.The most irrefutable piece of evidence is the Deed of Lease still held by the Sultan. It was clever manipulation, hoodwinking and treachery done by the British against the Sultanate. Ironic that one of the British signatories is named Treacher... :shifty:
As for Philippine-Indonesian relationships- we need closer ties with each other.Yes, indeed. We need to revive the Konfrontasi! C'mon guys, :lol: let's make Truly Asia a reality. Lets cut the pizza pie. :nocrook:

I agree that Singapore is very important to the United States. :D :D Therefore as a reward for that important partnership and for the continued growth of Majulah Singapura, I would pro'lley advocate for the annexation and transfer to Singapore of Johore Bahru, by a quick referendum amongst the local JB populace (& under the protection of the US Armed Forces) ... :D :D I am pretty sure majority of them JB folk would vote for union with the Lion City... and likewise, Singapore needs the lands of JB for further HDB estates and industrial parks and watersheds. SG would then have to build a Great Wall of Singapore to seal off JB from the rest of Truly Asia.

Frankly I agree with you Johor Bharu should join Singapore!! :banana:

I will be joining my sis soon to join Singapore :)

Seems filipinos has forget about the jabidah massacre..:|

Btw from the record, the territory that has been leased by Sultan Sulu to the British Company only the north eastern part of Sabah, not the whole state :troll:

Seems filipinos has forget about the jabidah massacre..:|

Btw from the record, the territory that has been leased by Sultan Sulu to the British Company only the north eastern part of Sabah, not the whole state :troll:

Yes, you're correct... as I said earlier excluding parts like the west coast which was previously under the Sultanate of Brunei.

I am from Johor, regarding to JB should be annexed to SG that wont happen as Johor still has it's sovereign Sultan unlike the Sulu Sultan that have no power anymore (btw why pnoy government do not give back the ancestral land to bangsamoro people eg. Palawan?) and furthermore JB is the royal city of Johor :lol:

the new interloper apparently has comprehension difficulties. The Sultanate owns all of Sabah, not just parts of it. The deed is pretty clearly worded, I trust even in the original Arabic. Even if he says only parts of Sabah were leased (which isn't so), the fact that the British East India Company and the British Empire sequestered everything belies a treacherous act.

The intent of the commandos was an invasion of Sabah. Approx near the time of the Konfrontasi... :lol: :lol:

Seems some filipinos are funny,they obviously can't read...:nuts:

Based on the agreements all the mentions place are around the north eastern part along the coastal of Sabah, not even the interior part :lol:

Jabidah massacre is a proof that bangsamoro prefer Malaysian rather than filipinos :lol: and even up until today bangsamoro don't want to be call as filipinos as they believe they never part of Spanish colony...:)

The British doublecrossed and that's all he has to say. Pity. The Sultanate still owns all of Sabah.

Some Malaysians are like cocoanuts. They put on an Asian brown facade but underneath is still British white. :lol: :lol:

But they obviously can't even read British English much less speak it.

Posted by PatchayIn fact I would think Singapore
is the closest ASEAN nation to
the US because essentially the
US needs Singapore more than
other ASEAN nation. closest in financial and important in business, n0t 0n friendship...philippines is the m0st closest friend in US in ASEAN and the m0st closest ally,even filipino in U.S they we're happy to see us b'coz we are the m0st hospitable and friendly and family orriented e.g. Charice,pacquiao,arnel penida,lea sal0nga etc. This people is 0ne of the example when they see this people they alm0st g0ne crazy...the World kn0w that...hmmm -k

Just to educate filipinos here because this information will never been told by their government...Large part of Sabah was under Sultanate of Brunei, the British Company made two agreement: one with the Sulu Sultan for the small part of Sabah, and another one with Brunei Sultan for the rest of Sabah :lol:

The Original Deed of Lease of 1878 vis-a-vis wikipedia and the prevarications of the anonymous Brit wannabes. It's a no brainer really. :lol:

why d0nt we try to ask brunei regarding this issue, that which part of n0rthern borneo they had given???


As of n0w as i live here in mindanao, muslims in mindanao are getting m0re educated,getting richer and having a stable business...well, in fact i have many muslim friends there, even im n0t a muslim, they were n0w happy t0day b'c0z they have n0w a stable jobs...they felt m0re happy that christians and muslim here is n0w having peace...

closest in financial and important in business, n0t 0n friendship...philippines is the m0st closest friend in US in ASEAN and the m0st closest ally,even filipino in U.S they we're happy to see us b'coz we are the m0st hospitable and friendly and family orriented e.g. Charice,pacquiao,arnel penida,lea sal0nga etc. This people is 0ne of the example when they see this people they alm0st g0ne crazy...the World kn0w that...hmmm -k

Yes I agree Philippines is close to the US.

But I hope you understand that geopolitical friendship is not a popularity contest like how Filipinos are obssessed with celebrities or overseas population, no offence. :lol:

The story of Lee Kuan Yew is something that has been studied and talked about in all major political schools in the West. He is indeed an icon not only for Singapore but for all of Asia (specifically East Asians).

Normally, I wouldn't take media headlines that praises one nation whenever some VIPs visit that nation, because c'mon they said the same wherever they go, including China and Burma. Agree?

Under President Obama, things have changed alot since its focus is now towards Asia, towards those nations that they have never cared before and also Muslim nations.

Clinton in KL on Nov 2, 2010
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/asia/southeast/Clinton-Praises-Moderation-in-Muslim-Majority-Malaysia-106509038.html




why d0nt we try to ask brunei regarding this issue, that which part of n0rthern borneo they had given???


Do you guys know that the Sultan of Brunei is an unofficial member of the Malaysian Conference of Rulers?

If I'm President Aquino, frankly, I wouldn't put my entire trust on Sultan of Brunei. :lol: :lol:

hope we get back to the thread its getting hot in here.... whahaha... ONE ASEAN anyone? hehe

^^Isn't it obvious from the lease agreement they not mentions any place of west part of Sabah? :lol:

Just to educate filipinos here because this information will never been told by their government...Large part of Sabah was under Sultanate of Brunei, the British Company made two agreement: one with the Sulu Sultan for the small part of Sabah, and another one with Brunei Sultan for the rest of Sabah :lol:

have you any reliable source for what you were saying? In that post???

Haha this thread is really funny. I really wonder why almost everybody hates Malaysia even in this thread.

I have travelled a lot and have gained a lot of friends particularly in southeast asia and literrally all of them (except for malaysians of course) hate Malaysia. The most vocal are my friends from Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand. :lol::lol::lol:

Actually my Malaysian friends also hate Singapore. I understand why Singaporeans hate Malaysia and its because of the abandonment the latter experienced long before. But I just dont understand why Malaysians hate them back. Is it because Singapore is a lot more developed than Malaysia? :lol:

Honestly, as compared to Indonesians, Singaporeans and Thais, I think Filipinos are more friendlier to Malaysia even with the Sabah issue. Just my observation tho :cheers:

I just wanna add this one experience with my Malaysian and Singaporean friends when we were in Singapore. We went into this restaurant and we ordered Chilly Crabs and some "Singaporean Cuisine". My Malaysian friend asked me, "How is the food? Delicious right?" then I said "Yeah its very good, I love it", then he said, "Of course its delicious, because its Malaysian". And my Singaporean friends just smirked and went speechless. :lol:

ASEAN REGIONAL NEWS THREAD. not asean fighting thread.. ayooo!

Haha this thread is really funny. I really wonder why almost everybody hates Malaysia even in this thread.

I have travelled a lot and have gained a lot of friends particularly in southeast asia and literrally all of them (except for malaysians of course) hate Malaysia. The most vocal are my friends from Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand. :lol::lol::lol:

Actually my Malaysian friends also hate Singapore. I understand why Singaporeans hate Malaysia and its because of the abandonment the latter experienced long before. But I just dont understand why Malaysians hate them back. Is it because Singapore is a lot more developed than Malaysia? :lol:

Honestly, as compared to Indonesians, Singaporeans and Thais, I think Filipinos are more friendlier to Malaysia. Just my observation tho :cheers:

Mabuhay! I hope everyone here debate "intellectually" :lol: with sources, though.

We really need more entertainment here, so hereby I present an old-fashioned clip from Singapore on Youtube:

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patchay wanted to ask where is KL city walk wanted to go there sometime this month..

patchay wanted to ask where is KL city walk wanted to go there sometime this month..

Click on Location at http://www.klcitywalk.com/

I'm not sure what's in there as I've not been in the City for many weeks (i live and work in kl suburbs), but feel free to share with us here. :)

Haha this thread is really funny. I really wonder why almost everybody hates Malaysia even in this thread.

I have travelled a lot and have gained a lot of friends particularly in southeast asia and literrally all of them (except for malaysians of course) hate Malaysia. The most vocal are my friends from Indonesia, Singapore and Thailand. :lol::lol::lol:

Actually my Malaysian friends also hate Singapore. I understand why Singaporeans hate Malaysia and its because of the abandonment the latter experienced long before. But I just dont understand why Malaysians hate them back. Is it because Singapore is a lot more developed than Malaysia? :lol:

Honestly, as compared to Indonesians, Singaporeans and Thais, I think Filipinos are more friendlier to Malaysia even with the Sabah issue. Just my observation tho :cheers:

I REALLY D0NT KN0W. :D even in Philippine forum Topix,ind0nesian forum Topix at Topix.com the Malaysians in that site are BIG HEAD, you kn0w, Arrogant,they felt that they were the richest country in ASEAN, but even Singap0re didn't do that thing, singaporeanm are n0t arrogant. , if you visit the topix about Justine Bieber greets Malaysian in Kuala Lumpur ''HELLO MANILA'' 0h my God ind0nesians laugh,b0oo0ing. i d0nt kn0w whats the reas0n that ind0nesians really really hate malaysians in that site, even in Malaysian forum topix, ind0nesia always menti0n there,and when i translate it into english at google translat0r, 0h my God...it really burns my b0dy as a ind0nesians. Its hurt you kn0w....r..., hr.ea.ad

Somebody still read TOPIX.COM :lol:

s0rry for my idiotic english :D

I REALLY D0NT KN0W. :D even in Philippine forum Topix,ind0nesian forum Topix at Topix.com the Malaysians in that site are BIG HEAD, you kn0w, Arrogant,they felt that they were the richest country in ASEAN, but even Singap0re didn't do that thing, singaporeanm are n0t arrogant. , if you visit the topix about Justine Bieber greets Malaysian in Kuala Lumpur ''HELLO MANILA'' 0h my God ind0nesians laugh,b0oo0ing. i d0nt kn0w whats the reas0n that ind0nesians really really hate malaysians in that site, even in Malaysian forum topix, ind0nesia always menti0n there,and when i translate it into english at google translat0r, 0h my God...it really burns my b0dy as a ind0nesians. Its hurt you kn0w....r..., hr.ea.ad


Actually many ordinary Malaysians are quite lame, stupid and ignorant but definitely not me and most of our forumers here. Many here studied and exposed overseas and more importantly belong to the "Affluent" society. :lol: :lol: If not we won't be stepping our foot here. HAHA.

Topix is not really a forum. Try Lowyat and you'll see more smarter posts, but in the midst of troll-ing posts. :lol:

ASEAN REGIONAL NEWS THREAD. not asean fighting thread.. ayooo!

fighting? Excuse me, we're just clarifying regarding the sabah issue.

guys please stop.. getting worried about this thread....
@patchay sure ill try to post some pics..

Actually many ordinary Malaysians are quite lame, stupid and ignorant but definitely not me and most of our forumers here. Many here studied and exposed overseas and more importantly belong to the "Affluent" society. :lol: :lol: If not we won't be stepping our foot here. HAHA.

Topix is not really a forum. Try Lowyat and you'll see more smarter posts, but in the midst of troll-ing posts. :lol:

lol,..of course n0t you,but im just w0ndering why ind0nesians really hates malaysians in that forum..n0t 1 n0t 2 but thousand of ind0nesians in that forum...ga.G0od night my friend it's alm0st 1AM here ...ce

How many of you have been to Phnom Penh?

I've not, but I think it's worth every penny to visit... Go PP!


Monivong Blvd
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Photo by Chea Phal


Phnompenh are very beautiful and clean city :)

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The Malaysian-owned NagaWorld Casino Complex in Phnom Penh

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Somebody still read TOPIX.COM :lol:
haha, :D i was member of asianfinest bef0re,and until myself throw me here. :D when i was n0t yet a member of SSC when i get b0red se i always reading their topic, i keep 0n laughing but i've never been p0st in that stupid forum...
XHit..

Regarding to the source about agreement between Brunei and British Company I could not find the original letter, but below is the excerpt of article from Department of History of Universiti Brunei Darussalam titled Treaty of 1888: A Hope and Disappointment

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The translation:

British North Borneo Company

The relations between Brunei Darussalam to the United States could not offset the political situation between Brunei, Sarawak and Great Britain. However, a further consequence, this relations give adverse impact to Brunei. When the first U.S. consul that is CL Moses come to Brunei in 1865. Sultan Abdul Momin has granted a concession of North Borneo to Moses with the payment of $ 4,200 and $ 4,000 per year respectively to the Sultan Abdul Momin and Pangiran Temenggong [LR Wright, 1970: 16 and 49]. In that year also (1865), C.L. Moses has sold the lease rights to the J.W. Torrey, a businessman in Hong Kong, which together with its partners have formed the American Trading Company of Borneo. In 1875, JW Torrey is selling the lease to the Baron de Overbeck (Austrian consul in Hong Kong) and Alfred Dent (Dent brothers of London's business) who is a partner Baron de Overbeck [LR Wright, 1970: 107].

Most of Brunei territory in Sabah has been leased to foreign persons with the payment of money to the owner. For example, in 1877, Sultan Abdul Momin Brunei leased from the Tanjung Gaya to Tanjung Lutut. Including Pulau Gaya, Pulau Sepanggar up to Papar and Benoni cost $ 4,000 annually to the Sultan Abdul Momin.

Similarly, the pengiran-pengiran that have 'tulin' has leased them to the Baron de Overbeck and Alfred Dent, for example, Pangiran Temenggong Sahibul Bahar leased Kimanis territories and Benoni cost $ 3000 per year [see Hj. Abdul Karim, Journal Darussalam in 1995: 131]. Apart from giving the lease, the Sultan Abdul Momin consented to appoint Alfred Dent as Emperor of Sabah and King of Gaya and Sandakan [see Hj. Abdul Karim, Journal Darussalam in 1995: 131]. The appointment is likely to exaggerate the position of Alfred Dent as the Sultan Abdul Momin has lack of faith to James Brooke who want to take all the territories of Brunei, no matter it is 'kuripan', 'tulin' and 'government' of Brunei.

To the people that ask about ingenuity of this article, please download them in here http://www.google.com.my/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=perjanjian%201888%3A%20suatu%20harapan%20dan%20kekecewaan&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bruneiresources.com%2Fpdf%2Fnd06_ismail.pdf&ei=TYPbTtKiOY60rAeU-8gB&usg=AFQjCNH3dZGsBwkOBKdYIkQ88OWxDDG11A&cad=rja

Its in malay so you have to translate them..

The Spaniards did not teach Spanish either to the population (only the Ilustrados spoke the language, although a few thousand words trickled down to the masses). The Americans changed that and introduced universal education. The French did not exactly teach their language either- only the elites and the educated learned French in the Indochina - it's a myth more than anything else. There are more Spanish loan words in Filipino than there are French loan words in VN.

It's probably because universal education was not implemented before the industrial revolution. It was the same in Latin America where the natives didn't fully speak Spanish until they gained independence. We would have been speaking Spanish + Native languages by now instead of English + Native languages without the US occupation.

When did public education begin in Spain? As in most of the West, only in the 19th century, to be exact, in 1857, thanks to Moyano's educational decree. Shortly after, public education began in the Philippines in 1863.

But there problems in both the Philippines and in Spain:

1) Public funding was not enough
2) There were not enough trained teachers
3) There was a big fight between Church and State over who would form the teachers. The clergy feared a purely LAY type of education. Inevitably, Catholic teachings that seemed irrational would be questioned.

Rizal's Noli Me Tangere dramatizes the 3rd conflict in the fight between the parish priest, Salvi, and Ibarra who opened a school in the town of San Diego. One thing that a lot of Filipinos don't understand is that it is not easy to understand many aspects of Philippine history without knowing the hispanic context of that period. One has to read on Spanish history and culture as well in SPANISH.

http://personal.us.es/alporu/historia/ley_moyano.htm

http://madalen.wordpress.com/category/siglo-xix/

La enseñanza obligatoria que así se establece desde la Constitución de Cadiz en 1812, tiene en este texto legal tiene la consideración de mera declaración de principios con poco apoyo legal y financiero que permita que éste sea una realidad inmediata. En los años que van desde la Constitución hasta la Ley Moyano en 1857, se suceden varias normas de importancia como son el Informe Quintana en 1813, el reglamento de Instrucción Pública de 1821 y el Plan del Duque de Rivas de 1836, pero ninguno de ellos incide en las medidas a tomar para asegurar la obligatoriedad de la enseñanza como lo hizo La Ley de Instrucción Primaria de 21 de julio de 1838.

Este texto centra entre sus puntos clave además de la formación de los maestros, y la dotación de medios de enseñanza, la obligación de los padres respecto de la asistencia de los hijos a la escuela. Así en su art. 26 recomienda implantar los medios para “estimular a los padres y tutores al cumplimiento de este deber importante (procurar a a sus hijos o pupilos la instrucción elemental), que en todos los supuestos puede cumplirse bien asegurando la asistencia de los menores a una escuela pública, o bien ocupándose personalmente de desarrollar esa función en el hogar o establecimiento particular. En este mismo sentido el art. 7 de la Ley Moyano que exige que “los padres o tutores se encarguen de enviar a las escuelas públicas a sus hijos y pupilos desde la de edad de 6 años hasta la de nueve, a no ser que les proporcionen suficientemente esta clase de instrucción en sus casa o en establecimiento particular.”

Para asegurarse del cumplimiento de la obligación se establecía un sistema de sanciones que comenzaba por la propia Ley Moyano en su art. 8º a cuyo tenor:“Los que no cumplieren con este deber habiendo escuela en el pueblo o a distancia tal que puedan los niños concurrir a ella cómodamente, serán amonestados y compelidos por la autoridad, y castigados en su caso con la multa de 2 hasta 20 reales”.

The continuing problem is that some people do not want to read enough on the 19th century in Europe and the US. Nor do they care to go to sources other than Rizal (Yes, I know his the national hero but he is not the only educated person with an opinion during that time!) on the state of education. Jean Mallat who lived in the Philippines for 8 years and came out with a classic 2 vol. book (in French) (http://books.google.com/books?id=kZJklMETUyYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Jean+Mallat%22&hl=en&ei=_4DaToDDOIWFiALil4X4CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false) on the different aspects of the Philippines. Let me repeat what he said plus add 2 more citations.

He said that:

Mallat: “The College of San Juan de Letran (was) founded in 1630 at the expense of a charitable man…this college maintains 25 orphans free of charge; it also accepts an unlimited number of boarders, Indios as well as mestizos, who pay 50 piastres a year.”

(Comment: in the 1880s, one of the poor students Letran educated was Emilio Jacinto, "Brains of the Katipunan". the Dominican influence is evident in his many allusions to the Bible in his classic piece in "Ang Kalayaan "(Liberty) on why a revolution was needed).

Mallat: “Rather well furnished libraries exist in all convents and those of the university and colleges offer resources to pupils receiving education in these establishments.”

(Comment: For sure, there was censorship. For sure, these libraries could not compare with those of the great libraries of Europe. But at least they existed and were of quality).

“In the Philippines, the education of sons of the country as well as of mestizos and Indios of BOTH sexes is not as neglected as certain persons claim. On the contrary, the colony has from the start made the greatest effort for the education of the people. Even in the smallest villages, Indios find facilities for learning to read and write; everywhere there are primary schools paid by the pueblo…the education of the Indios is far from backward, if compared to that of the lower classes in Europe.”

(Comment: Mallat wrote this in 1842. Public education would begin in Spain under Moyano in 1857 (or 1859?). It would begin in the Philippines in 1863. When did it begin in France which, more than Spain, was at the very heart of the West? In 1833!

And note: Public schooling throughout 19th century France was only for boys, not for girls! That would change in the early 20th century. And when DID PUBLIC SCHOOLING BEGIN IN THE US?)

There are 2 articles by Frederick Fox and Juan Mercader in Ateneo's Philippine Studies of 1961 and 1963 that examine 19th century education in the Philippines in general, and the island of Cebu in particular during the 19th century. The findings shows that education during the Spanish era was more advance during its time.

What a lot of Filipinos don't know (even the Academia) is that the Philippines during the Spanish Era was only SECOND to Japan in terms of educated population. The propaganda of the US bringing education and liberated the Filipinos isn't exactly true.

Here are data on 1) the beginnings of public education in Spain during the 19th century; 2) the conflict between clergy and lay teachers that created obstacles; and 3) the slow spread of literacy in Spain itself. All of these place in context Spanish efforts to promote public education in the Philippines -- starting in 1863. This was well ahead of efforts elsewhere in Asia, outside Japan. But there were undeniable problems as can be seen.

Excerpts from "Human Capital in Spain"
Javier Alonso and Simon Sosvilla Rivero
Documento de trabajo 2004-2008 (http://www.fedea.es/pub/Papers/2004/dt2004ENG-08.pdf)

We thus obtain, for each cohort of the working-age population, the probability of attainment of a given level of education.

The number of years actually studied for each level of education in equation (1) is hard to ascertain, given the rather turbulent history of the Spanish education system

,,aetNe1. Following the Moyano Law of 1856 the system was organised into the current levels of primary, secondary and tertiary education. However, education was a constant political battleground between the Church-backed conservatives and the liberals, and the political instability that characterised the second half of the 19th century and first half of the 20th meant that a new programme was put in place virtually every 4 years between 1836 and 1936. In an attempt to homogenise matters, we have estimated the average duration of studies per level of education as follows: ‘illiterate’2 = 1 year, ‘lower than compulsory education’ = 4 years, ‘primary or compulsory education’ = 8 years, ‘secondary education’ = 12 years and ‘tertiary education’ = 17 years.

3. Empirical results

The aggregated results given in Figure 3 show the evolution of the population of working age according to the level of academic attainment. The corresponding annual data can be consulted in the Appendix. The period up to 1976 saw a parallel process featuring a dramatic increase in the size of the working-age population with lower than compulsory education and a gradual fall in the number of illiterate people. The passing of the General Education Law, which introduced compulsory primary education, marked the beginning of sustained growth in the working-age population with schooling - initially primary, then secondary and, lastly, tertiary education.

1

A comprehensive review of the history of Spain’s education system can be found in Delgado (1994).

2

In line with Delgado (1994), the reason for including 1 year for illiteracy is that there is broad evidence suggesting that a substantial number of people stated they were illiterate when entering military service or in the population census, despite the fact that they had attended school, albeit not regularly, and had learned to read and write, skills they had then forgotten through lack of daily use. FEDEA – DT 2004-08 (english version) 11

Figure 3:

Evolution of working-age population by level of academic attainment.
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IlliteateLower than compulsoryeducationPrimary or compulsoryeducationSecundary educationTertiary education

Source: Authors’ calculation

Figure 4 shows the percentage composition of the level of attainment of the Spanish population during the period studied. As can be seen, there are two clearly distinct phases. From 1910 until 1970, there is a continued fall in the number and percentage of illiterates, in favour both of literates and of people who have completed at least some years of schooling. This process is directly related to the gradual improvements introduced in the education system and, above all, the progressive migration from rural to urban areas. In the second phase, which begins with the General Education Law of 1970, we see that the different population cohorts increasingly access secondary and tertiary education.

OK, I will now end my rantings! Go back to ASEAN topics! :lol:


not really Anglo-Saxon, seems more Hispanic than we admit. ;)

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Dude, awesome video. Can you post it to this thread in the Latin American section? Its called: Filipinas, la hermana hispana menos conocida por los latinos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1461408). I'll probably make one here with a topic Philippines: More Hispanic than we admit (when I'm not busy). Just to show the similarities between our cultures and to foster an international friendship between Filipinos and Latin Americans. :)

lol,..of course n0t you,but im just w0ndering why ind0nesians really hates malaysians in that forum..n0t 1 n0t 2 but thousand of ind0nesians in that forum...ga.G0od night my friend it's alm0st 1AM here ...ce
i tell you, most of indonesians (malaysians too) in topix are unemployments, smart-wannabe highschool's kids, anti-socials, racists, etc :lol:
from their words, i can make sure most of them are uneducated :lol:

^^
Lol :lol: . . .
Topix is where the stupids could shout their sh*t without proper moderation from the admin. What do you expect from that kind of forum then?

Stupids are everywhere, really, but stupidity in that forum is just beyond imagination :lol:.

Just for the continued education of Filipinos and indeed some Malaysians who had been brainwashed by their government that stealing from another fellow Muslim is okay as long as it is beneficiary for the greater good of Truly Asia.

Some Malaysians indeed are like coconuts. Seemingly Asian Brown on the outside but inside is still British white, which in large part explains the superior attitudes displayed and, of course, observed by many in the other forums they visit.

The document presented by the other side is obscure and not clear. :lol:
The timelines are skewed and important world events are blithely ignored, to wit...

1. I seriously doubt why that purported “document” put great care to emphasize the role of the Americans. In the year 1865, the United States of America was not even wholly United yet. :lol: For the simple reason that it had just ended the American Civil War, North versus South which terminated with a defeat and collapse of the American Confederacy against the Unionists. 1865 was the interregnum period in between the Civil War and Reconstruction. Nowhere in any history books does it say that the USA was already embarking on foreign adventures, certainly not in that year 1865.

It just shows how ignorant the fairy tale author of it was of World History.

The United States only embarked on American Imperialism in the late 1800s, with the annexation of Hawaii sometime 1899 and the Spanish American War with the annexation of the Philippines, Cuba and Puerto Rico in 1898. But for someone to say 1865 is not being Truly Asian credible, it is being Truly Unbelievable.

2. The Brown British coconut says Brunei owns a large part of Sabah whilst Sulu owns a small part of Sabah. Nowhere in the fairy tale document was it even mentioned about the extent of territories. Nevertheless, even in Brunei’s Sabah history, it acknowledges the giving of Sabah as a gift by the Sultan of Brunei to the Sultan of Sulu. Whichever it was, whether Brunei or Sulu owns whichever parts of Sabah, Truly Asia just ensnared itself with a gross admission it does not legally own any single piece of land in Sabah. The lands in Sabah should by rights of historicity be owned by either Brunei or Sulu, but certainly not peninsular Malaya. :lol: Again, our interloper skirts and ignores this issue.

3. Was the interloper trying to get into technicalities to sidestep the real issue here? The real issue of which is Malaysian ownership, which is by and large fictitious anyway. Whichever way they put it, East or West Sabah, they still do NOT own Sabah.

Behold from another forum where they outlined the territories generally around the mentioned Sibuku River. Although I suspect the forumers there are also Malaysian immigrants to New Zealand, (oh how they just love anything about the British Commonwealth, don’t they?), the forumers there still outlined a huge part of Sabah as belonging to Sulu. Roughly 2/3 of Sabah would belong to Sulu and perhaps the Western part indeed belonged to Brunei, but not a single piece of land, and I repeat none, rightfully belongs to Malaysia, what Indonesian President Sukarno called a mere fabrication by the British. :lol:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?503233-User-made-tweaks/page5

According to this map, all areas east of the red line belong to Sulu. ;)
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5926/sabahsulu.jpg

4. Malaysians are not taught by their government this simple truth. That by the mere act alone of the continued paying rent to the Sultan of Sulu, Malaysia already acknowledges the Deed of Lease of 1878. All other deeds or treaties after 1878 are fictitious or obvious manipulations by the scheming conniving British to wrest control of Sabah away from its rightful owners. All other treaties can be considered null and void without the participation of the owner, the Sultan.

5. Isn’t it obvious from the Lease Agreement that Malaysia Truly Asia still do not own any part of Sabah? Whether East or West, they still do not own it. Sabah can only be partitioned between Brunei and Sulu.

6. To date, it is a fact the government of Truly Asia refuses to come before the International Court of Justice for arbitration. For the simple reason that they have nothing to show for.

7. Since many foristas here do not speak Bahasa Melayu, we can only surmise that the document came from some archives in Kuala Lumpur. :lol: And that the translation was certainly suited to the Malaysian agenda.

OK, I will now end my rantings! Go back to ASEAN topics! :lol:




Dude, awesome video. Can you post it to this thread in the Latin American section? Its called: Filipinas, la hermana hispana menos conocida por los latinos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1461408). I'll probably make one here with a topic Philippines: More Hispanic than we admit (when I'm not busy). Just to show the similarities between our cultures and to foster an international friendship between Filipinos and Latin Americans. :)Por supuesto, Señor Bossing :cool: ahora mismo... :D

5. Isn’t it obvious from the Lease Agreement that Malaysia Truly Asia still do not own any part of Sabah? Whether East or West, they still do not own it. Sabah can only be partitioned between Brunei and Sulu.



But I seriously don't believe Brunei would like to take over Sabah, especially after the discovery of oil. There is a fear in Brunei on its future after oil is depleting, so why would they take over Sabah, with 10X more its population mostly concentrated on the West coast, limited oil resources and the highest poverty rate in malaysia ?

On the Eastern half of Sabah- that region has the highest poverty rate in the country with very little natural resources. It's hard to believe that any foreigners are interested to take over that land, I mean come'on, it's not like an oil-rich Spratly

^^That map is ambiguous as it only the interpretations of someone that is not acknowledged by any intellectual institutions while the article/journal that I attached is from Universiti Brunei Darussalam (higher institution) that has reference..:|

Btw the Brunei government has never bring up the issue of possession of Sabah which mean they have no problem Sabah being part of Malaysia :troll:

Pardon with my english as it is not my first language, I am proud with my mother tongue and my country unlike some people that want to become a perfectionist in english and USA wannabe..:lol:

How many of you have been to Phnom Penh?

I've not, but I think it's worth every penny to visit... Go PP!


Havent been to but from photos I saw in Cambodian forum , PP looks relatively orderly compared to say, almost all major cities I went to in South Asia ( India, Srilanka, Bangladesh )

It is hard to believe that Cambodia has less income percapita than India while Philippines just sligthly above India and under Sri Lanka - I've been to both India and Philippines and they are totally worlds apart ! In South Asian countries I've been to, almost all public toilets I went to are horribly dirty without any flushing system ( !! ), cities full of open garbage , vast majority of drivers don't respect traffic rules, roads are bad, honking is a MUST for most drivers even its unnesccessary at all, and people throwing their cups and food packs ( even SPITTING eww :eek:) out from buses and trains freely !!!! There is a serious lack of quality & international chains of fastfood and restaurants.

You dont see these "Third-world" sights in Philippines with its pleasantly clean toilets ( same level as Malaysia ), good drivers ( again, I found driving standrad in PHL almost similar to malaysia ) very few ppl honking around , far better road quality & network than South Asia, great variety of international food chain & restaurants, clean streets, orderly cities, relatively peaceful atmosphere etc. :cheers:

^^ That's almost downright too kind @skyprince :D Perhaps the qualities hold true in provincial cities but here in Metro Manila... hmmm... no quite...

I'd like to visit Phnom Penh as an urban enthusiast though i'd reckon it'll be expensive.

But I seriously don't believe Brunei would like to take over Sabah, especially after the discovery of oil. There is a fear in Brunei on its future after oil is depleting, so why would they take over Sabah, with 10X more its population mostly concentrated on the West coast, limited oil resources and the highest poverty rate in malaysia ?

On the Eastern half of Sabah- that region has the highest poverty rate in the country with very little natural resources. It's hard to believe that any foreigners are interested to take over that land, I mean come'on, it's not like an oil-rich SpratlyWe really must remain focused on the real issue here. The real issue here is the ownership of Sabah. :)

It is clearly beside the point whether there is oil in Sabah, or whether the Western portion of Sabah has the highest population, or of the highest poverty rate in Malaysia or the eastern part of Sabah having very little natural resources, the Spratlys was even mentioned just to divert issues ... all these things thrown around are all beside the point.

The point is who really owns Sabah? It is that simple really. ;) To date, your countryman the British Brown Western has not and can not refute any of the points I raised but just be himself, and that is being rambunctious. :lol: :lol: We cannot speak Bahasa Melayu and thus cast serious aspersions to the document presented (without any links whatsoever mind you; it could come from any KL university for all we care) + the so called English translation. Why did the document put the United States as having significant importance when the United States hadn't even recovered from the US Civil War yet, wasnt even a major world power yet and hadn't embarked on colonialism yet? That was just one of the dead giveaways :lol: :lol:

^^ Great comment about Phnom Penh there.

Btw how far is Siem Reap to PP and can be travelled by road?


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It's funny some people are still talking about Sabah. Anyway, I believed the present government under PNoy and the wannabe sultan of Sulu is not really interested in pursuing this Sabah issue for now. Spratly and MILF is still the bigger geo-boundary political issues.

Don't waste time debating on issues that have no relevance to your lives. As I said before, it doesn't really matter who Sabah belongs to in ancient times, because now we are becoming a seemingly borderless nations - 1Asean Community, unless you don't believe in Asean then don't spend time in this thread. :lol:

Here in Truly Asia including Sabah, we now offer 100% foreign ownership of land, real estate and companies. We definitely welcome investors from our beloved neighbor - the Philippines! NO kidding! :lol:

1Asean Community, unless you don't believe in Asean then don't spend time in this thread. :lol:

Here in Truly Asia including Sabah, we now offer 100% foreign ownership of land, real estate and companies. Welcome investors! :lol:Funny for you to twist words around, yes indeed this is the ASEAN thread and most certainly not the Malaysian Business Forum Thread. If that is the only raison d'etre for your loitereing around here, thence it would be more useful for your posts to be posted in the Malaysian Forums, right? Aaah, but you never even go to your own forums... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Funny for you to twist words around, yes indeed this is the ASEAN thread and most certainly not the Malaysian Business Forum Thread. If that is the only raison d'etre for your loitereing around here, thence it would be more useful for your posts to be posted in the Malaysian Forums, right? Aaah, but you never even go to your own forums... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Don't worry about that, I would make sure important news from all ASEAN nations are covered here as well. C'mon.. trust Patchay!

I would think business news from your immediate neighbors are very important so that you guys can peek at what other nations are doing and talking about. Isn't it? HAHA :lol: :lol:

Btw I heard Indonesians now owned vast plantation lands in Sabah. Can anyone verify this?

I do know many Indonesians are rich and they even own the iconic Wisma Atria right in the heart of Orchard Road, Singapore. That plus many other business enterprises and condominium projects in Singapore.

I tend to agree with Patchay here on Sabah issue.

I do know many Indonesians are rich and they even own the iconic Wisma Atria right in the heart of Orchard Road, Singapore. That plus many other business enterprises and condominium projects in Singapore.

According to many friends, almost all of them are Indonesians of Chinese descent. Is that true ? And I believe that Singapore is their first choice due to ease of doing business, minimal red tape, cultural/lifestyle similarity ( Singapore is majority ethnic Chinese ) plus the "prestige" of SIngapore itself as shopping and global financial destination.

I do know many Indonesians are rich and they even own the iconic Wisma Atria right in the heart of Orchard Road, Singapore. That plus many other business enterprises and condominium projects in Singapore.


I agree with you Indonesians are rich, very rich. Just look at Singapore since many decades ago, you'll see all the rich and oligarch Indonesians.

But just to correct your statement.

Wisma Atria on Orchard Road is owned by the public listed Starhill Global REIT, which has YTL Starhill Global Property as its major shareholder. The other complex it owned on Orchard Road is Ngee Ann City.

YTL Starhill Global Property is a member of the YTL Corporation Group based in Malaysia.

For more info:
- http://www.starhillglobalreit.com
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisma_Atria
- http://www.starhillglobalreit.com/meag_profile.aspx
- http://www.ytl.com.my

@ Mercato- who owns Sabah ? My first answer would be GOD, but since there are many atheists and agnostics etc here then the next possible answer is : Sabahans themselves.

And I know that Sabahans prefer to stay with Malaysia than to be ruled by another country which means to be ruled by totally different system ( education system, road markings, signages, official procedures, immigration etc. )

@ Mercato- who owns Sabah ? My first answer would be GOD, but since there are many atheists and agnostics etc here then the next possible answer is : Sabahans themselves.

And I know that Sabahans prefer to stay with Malaysia than to be ruled by another country which means to be ruled by totally different system ( education system, road markings, signages, official procedures, immigration etc. )

i think mercato pointed out very well the reasons as to why who should have rightful sovereign claims over the Sabah. place God into the equation and you would be no different than those 16th century colonizers who used that as a propaganda machine to bring sword to the colonies.

regarding the highlighted sentence, that would still not suffice for malaysia to annex sabah. would this then be the reason why your country is adamant in having strong unilateral actions regarding this issue? perhaps, also the reason your country want to limit it to a bilateral issue between PH and Malaysia so you can operate from a position of strength. that could also explain your country's reluctance to have the ICJ mediate on the Sabah question itself.

Wish I could here some news or updates about ASEAN nations instead of this territorial dispute and who owns this and that.. seriously guys the goal of the ASEAN nation is to become one borderless nation by 2015, to become a regional bloc in the world something like an economic powerhouse, how could that be achieved if their are still issues like this , even our government doesn't talk about this much... Lets solve the problems that our countries are facing today like economic problems at the west which is affecting our exports the debt crisis of the EU thats making investors worried, I do think that our nations should stick together in times like this for who can help you but your neighbour ....

^^
wow phnom phen is growing ( always have a hard time spelling phnom phen even saying it) wohohohoh...

I tend to agree with Patchay here on Sabah issue.



According to many friends, almost all of them are Indonesians of Chinese descent. Is that true ? And I believe that Singapore is their first choice due to ease of doing business, minimal red tape, cultural/lifestyle similarity ( Singapore is majority ethnic Chinese ) plus the "prestige" of SIngapore itself as shopping and global financial destination.

these are top richest people in Indonesia 2011 (according to FORBES)
R. Budi Hartono & Michael Hartanto
Low Tuck Kwong
Martua Sitorus
Sri Prakash Lohia
Kiki Barki
Sukanto Tanoto
Edwin Soeryadjaya
Garibaldi Thohir
Theodore Rachmat
Chairul Tanjung
Murdaya Poo
Benny Subianto

the bolded ones have no chinese descent. it is not really a big matter anyway

@patchay Anyone knows what's the rental fees for at least a fully furnished 1 bedroom flat in a decent neighbourhood in Kuala Lumpur? Would you have any idea? Cheapest-mid range-high end?

@riain would you want somewhere near by the CBD area?

^^
wow phnom phen is growing ( always have a hard time spelling phnom phen even saying it) wohohohoh...

Phnom Penh.

@riain would you want somewhere near by the CBD area?

I guess, I want something reasonably near to a supermarket, shops. I am thinking of moving to KL after a couple of years to do 6-12 month internship before I move to another country..

@riain usually the flats here have 2-3 rooms so better if you just look for a room for rent.. one of the rooms in my place was being least before but now someone will move in aldy .. usually if it's just a flat can get it for around 300 and below.. for mid range a room would be 400 . and for high end condo i tried inquiring before and its 550-600 for a room ..

@riain usually the flats here have 2-3 rooms so better if you just look for a room for rent.. one of the rooms in my place was being least before but now someone will move in aldy .. usually if it's just a flat can get it for around 300 and below.. for mid range a room would be 400 . and for high end condo i tried inquiring before and its 550-600 for a room ..

wow. That's cheap!

Right now for a lower mid range apartment (1-2 bedrooms) here in HN is about 500-1000USD!

I cant just rent a room, I have two cats so I cant do that. Apartments are better...

^^ Ampunin mo na lang ako... miyao....

^^ Ampunin mo na lang ako... miyao....

Marami akong gustong ampuning pusa, pero masyadong mahal mag-alaga- kelangan munang manalo sa lotto! :lol:

^^ Nah, may 2 kaming pusa sa bahay. Both palamunin.

Mahilig ka pala sa pussy....cat xxxriainxxx.

Anyway, Jingluck meets Wangchuck! News byte lang.

Yingluck meets King of Bhutan at Emporium for lunch

The King of Bhutan and his new bride met Prime Minister Yingluck and her common-law husband Anusorn Amornchat in Bangkok recently for a luncheon party and photo op at Emporium Suites Hotel.

Yingluck congratulated King Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck, an extremely popular 31-year-old Oxford University graduate, and his new queen Jetsun Pema on their October marriage.

http://www.coconutsbangkok.com/news-1/yingluck-meets-king-of-bhutan-at-emporium-for-lunch

@patchay Anyone knows what's the rental fees for at least a fully furnished 1 bedroom flat in a decent neighbourhood in Kuala Lumpur? Would you have any idea? Cheapest-mid range-high end?

1. Location/locality is very important. Different locality, different preferences, different expectation and different prices.

2. As most of people know, KL is very car-dependent city. The public transportation network is quite a failure as of now, except for within the City itself. I suggest get somewhere near your working place (you don't be surprised that most MNCs are actually not in the city, thus I've to say this)

3. In terms of pricing for a fully furnished decent unit of a 1-room studio or 2-room apartment in a block with facilities such as swimming pool, the monthly rental expectation should range between 900 ringgit (low end) to 4,000 ringgit (high end), or US$280 to US$1,300. Plus or minus you can cover your monthly utility bills and apartment maintenance fees.

4. Full-furnished units are normally at the higher end of prices. Partially-furnished can be cheaper. Short term rentals of less than 12 months can be more expensive. Remember at signing of lease, advance deposits are taken, legal and commission/brokerage fees are taken as well.

5. Petaling Jaya, Selangor State is the best suburban city to live and most affordable, and closest to KL downtown.

6. Expatriate areas such as Mont'Kiara and Bangsar and with much larger unit sizes could cost up to US$3,000 a month.

7. Self-research is important. Some websites I would suggest:
- http://www.iproperty.com.my ---> largest property site

- http://classifieds.thestar.com.my ---> one of the most preferred online classifieds

- http://www.propwall.my ---> independent resources with unit photos

@patchay Anyone knows what's the rental fees for at least a fully furnished 1 bedroom flat in a decent neighbourhood in Kuala Lumpur? Would you have any idea? Cheapest-mid range-high end?

I have never heard of "1-bedroom flat" in KL.. all flats/condos are minumum 2 bedrooms. There are studos though but I knew no one living in such 1-bedroom studios.

I live in Shah Alam city a very modern neighborhood and 2-bedroom upper-middle-income apartment can be rented around USD 300-400/month.

I have never heard of "1-bedroom flat" in KL.. all flats/condos are minumum 2 bedrooms. There are studos though but I knew no one living in such 1-bedroom studios.

I live in Shah Alam city a very modern neighborhood and 2-bedroom upper-middle-income apartment can be rented around USD 300-400/month.

Wow, that's really cheap! Do most of the places accept cats too? I am not familiar with Shah Alam, how's the public transport to KL?

@xxxxriainxxxx- Forgot to add- that I strongly reccommend my city ( Shah Alam ) for living - its hyper-modern neighborhood, has great facility and traffic is relatively smooth, plus apartment rent is quite cheap compared to central KL or PJ. And during your stay, u can rent a car ( by monthly ) to move around the city or getting to your workplace.

Shah Alam is a great place to see/experience a really typical Malaysian lifestyle :cheers:


the bolded ones have no chinese descent. it is not really a big matter anyway

I see. Thanks for clarification.

Wow, that's really cheap! Do most of the places accept cats too? I am not familiar with Shah Alam, how's the public transport to KL?

House price in Malaysia is extremely cheap and highly affordable when considering local salary level . And Shah Alam is one of the CHEAPEST neighborhoods in KL/Klang Valley.. Of course, cats are always accepted

If u can drive , u can always rent a car , I know some companies have cars for rent at USD 150-250/mo depending on car types.

From Shah Alam u can take bus ( RapidKL U80 ) which runs every 20 mins to downtown KL. Or u can take train too ( every 30 mins, journey time around 40 mins ) but Shah Alam train station is abit far from city centre..

Againit depends on the location of ur company. Most MNCs are based outside KL city centre itself IMO.z

I have never heard of "1-bedroom flat" in KL.. all flats/condos are minumum 2 bedrooms. There are studos though but I knew no one living in such 1-bedroom studios.

I live in Shah Alam city a very modern neighborhood and 2-bedroom upper-middle-income apartment can be rented around USD 300-400/month.


^^ There are many 1-room units in KL City, but becareful as some of the branded ones are very expensive. For example, Ascott Serviced Residences, Parkview Serviced Apartments, Park Regency Serviced Apartments are VERY EXPENSIVE.

PJ's Amcorp Serviced Suites 1-room apartments are quite worth the money.


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But why rent a 1-room apartment when you can actually get a 1+1, 2+1, or even 3-rooms for the price within your budget and still cheaper than in Hanoi?

I know Shah Alam City is good for living, but somehow due to its large Muslim population I would recommend Riain places where entertainment and non-halal food is much more easily available.

Also it would be preferred in places where its locality is closer to KL City, closer to lifestyle convenience, more vibrant and more diverse in terms of communities including presence of many from around Asean and the world. Before the opening of a recent mall, there is no cinema in Shah Alam.

My Filipino colleagues live around Bandar Utama Damansara as it is very near to our office. And some of them rented 2-storey terrace house with 4 rooms and they can share the entire house of 2,000 sqft.

Note: You can also subrent your rooms and carparks that you don't need. =)


Example:
>>> http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/291339/metropolitan-square-damansara-perdana-condominium-for-rent-by-simon-kow

Type: Serviced Apartment with full facilities

Metropolitan Sq, at Damansara Perdana in Petaling Jaya
Location: One of the most vibrant areas in PJ, near KL
Convenience: Near to 7 shopping malls, including Tesco and Carrefour hypermarkets, and Malaysia's only IKEA store. Also near to your banking and mobility needs.

Asking monthly rental: 2,400 ringgit (US$750)

http://dsc.propwall.com/photos/1405848/P1040833__Medium__small_view.JPG
http://dsc.propwall.com/photos/1405847/P1040832__Medium__small_view.JPG
http://dsc.propwall.com/photos/1405859/P1040849__Medium__small_view.JPG

Built-up 1,096 sf Fully Furnished Condominium For Rent! + High floor, nice view, 3r2b, intermediate.

+ Fully furnished with water heaters, aircons, Sofa, TV, Dining set, bedroom set, fridge, washing machine, curtains, built-in kitchen cabinet, cooker and etc.

+ 2 car parks.

these are top richest people in Indonesia 2011 (according to FORBES)
R. Budi Hartono & Michael Hartanto
Low Tuck Kwong
Martua Sitorus
Sri Prakash Lohia
Kiki Barki
Sukanto Tanoto
Edwin Soeryadjaya
Garibaldi Thohir
Theodore Rachmat
Chairul Tanjung
Murdaya Poo
Benny Subianto

the bolded ones have no chinese descent. it is not really a big matter anyway

Kiki barki is he/she any relation with Aburizal bakrie ex-richest Indonesian which's his name suddenly disapeared from Forbes rich list after his company lapindo brantas caused mud flow when drilling for natural gas which's makes thousand of peoples lost their houses.

btw Garibaldi Thohir is the brother of Erick Thohir chairman of SEABA (South East asian basketball Association) also part owner of NBA klub Philladhepia 76ers

I know Shah Alam City is good for living, but somehow due to its large Muslim population I would recommend Riain places where entertainment and non-halal food is much more easily available.

Also it would be preferred in places where its locality is closer to KL City, closer to lifestyle convenience, more vibrant and more diverse in terms of communities including presence of many from around Asean and the world. Before the opening of a recent mall, there is no cinema in Shah Alam.

:lol: indeed.

For Arabs/Muslim foreigners I'd definitely say Shah Alam is one of the greatest and peaceful places to live in.

But for most Filipinos I believe they prefer more vibrant places :cheers: Maybe they'd feel Shah Alam or Putrajaya too quiet.. But again , 1 great advantage of Shah Alam is very low cost of housing

House price in Malaysia is extremely cheap and highly affordable when considering local salary level . And Shah Alam is one of the CHEAPEST neighborhoods in KL/Klang Valley.. Of course, cats are always accepted

If u can drive , u can always rent a car , I know some companies have cars for rent at USD 150-250/mo depending on car types.

From Shah Alam u can take bus ( RapidKL U80 ) which runs every 20 mins to downtown KL. Or u can take train too ( every 30 mins, journey time around 40 mins ) but Shah Alam train station is abit far from city centre..

Againit depends on the location of ur company. Most MNCs are based outside KL city centre itself IMO.z


Thanks, will ask you more about this sometime next year... :)

^^ There are many 1-room units in KL City, but becareful as some of the branded ones are very expensive. For example, Ascott Serviced Residences, Parkview Serviced Apartments, Park Regency Serviced Apartments are VERY EXPENSIVE.

PJ's Amcorp Serviced Suites 1-room apartments are quite worth the money.


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But why rent a 1-room apartment when you can actually get a 1+1, 2+1, or even 3-rooms for the price within your budget and still cheaper than in Hanoi?

I know Shah Alam City is good for living, but somehow due to its large Muslim population I would recommend Riain places where entertainment and non-halal food is much more easily available.

Also it would be preferred in places where its locality is closer to KL City, closer to lifestyle convenience, more vibrant and more diverse in terms of communities including presence of many from around Asean and the world. Before the opening of a recent mall, there is no cinema in Shah Alam.

My Filipino colleagues live around Bandar Utama Damansara as it is very near to our office. And some of them rented 2-storey terrace house with 4 rooms and they can share the entire house of 2,000 sqft.


I really don't like sharing with other people, I value my privacy a lot- and it's best to walk around naked around the house. :lol: Just kidding.

What are the terms normally like? How many months upfront?

Actually I am starting to look for 1 year internships in KL preferably in the tourism sector. Not really looking for 'work' and after I finished a year, I am moving to another country.

I really don't like sharing with other people, I value my privacy a lot- and it's best to walk around naked around the house. :lol: Just kidding.

What are the terms normally like? How many months upfront?


Normally for local is 1-3 months.

For foreigners it can between between 1-6 months.

Best is you engage a local friend for information advantage, before engaging a broker as some brokers will think you are highly affluent expatriate, thus units shown and prices will be more towards high end. :nuts:

Another thing is PJ has many large Catholic churches for your spiritual needs, I mean for some Filipinos that I know.

:cheers:


(FYI 1-room apartment that is well-managed can be more expensive than middle-class 3-room apartments or a whole terrace house in the suburbs)

Normally for local is 1-3 months.

For foreigners it can between between 1-6 months.

Best is you engage a local friend for information advantage, before engaging a broker as some brokers will think you are highly affluent expatriate, thus units shown and prices will be more towards high end. :nuts:

Another thing is PJ has many large Catholic churches for your spiritual needs, I mean for some Filipinos that I know.

:cheers:


(FYI 1-room apartment that is well-managed can be more expensive than middle-class 3-room apartments or a whole terrace house in the suburbs)

2 bedrooms might be better. I am not religious, in fact I dont practice any religion... I am just more concerned about:

Accessibility to work, entertainment, supermarkets

Maybe you can haggle a good apartment for me! :D

:lol: indeed.

For Arabs/Muslim foreigners I'd definitely say Shah Alam is one of the greatest and peaceful places to live in.

But for most Filipinos I believe they prefer more vibrant places :cheers: Maybe they'd feel Shah Alam or Putrajaya too quiet.. But again , 1 great advantage of Shah Alam is very low cost of housing

Yes I agree but somehow the reality I heard is really not as expected.

Apparently the suburban area of Seri Kembangan is now the Arab/Iranian hotspot. When I was there at Country Heights, someone was telling me the surrounding apartments are all mostly rented out to Middle Eastern youth/couples or those who just arrive in Malaysia. A quick look at the commercial areas you'll find more Iranian restaurants and those shiiishaa shisha things than anywhere in KL.

And this is the place that has been associated with Chinese-Chinaman-style Chinatown. What a contrast! :nuts:

I don't mind eating different cuisines in a day. I actually like Middle Eastern food. :) And I can eat Nasi Lemak everyday :drool:

:nuts: nasi lemak everyday? haha.. i think better stay somewhere in Pj, bandar utama will be a good place as their are a number of filipinos their and lots of good resto. oh almost forgot 1utama shopping mall is their. :)

I agree with you Indonesians are rich, very rich. Just look at Singapore since many decades ago, you'll see all the rich and oligarch Indonesians.



Actually many ordinary Malaysians are quite lame, stupid and ignorant but definitely not me and most of our forumers here. Many here studied and exposed overseas and more importantly belong to the "Affluent" society. If not we won't be stepping our foot here. HAHA.

Topix is not really a forum. Try Lowyat and you'll see more smarter posts, but in the midst of troll-ing posts.


Why do people suddenly praise Indonesians as rich people? :)

in lowyat forum people say that indons and pilaks (is that the word you use for filipinos?) children in sabah will become rapists, thieves, killers... and those indons and pilaks are tree people (living in tree...wow so those people think that indons and pilaks in sabah are kind of monkey?)...

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2130792/+20?hl=poverty%20sabah

and that's from a forum which you suggest having smarter posts...:)

Patchay, I don't mean to attack you for what those Lowyat forumers say...I know that you and other Malaysian forumers here are not like them...
And I know that you want to befriended with Indonesian forumers here, that's why you have kind words on us...thanks buddy...:)

^^ Great comment about Phnom Penh there.

Btw how far is Siem Reap to PP and can be travelled by road?


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It's funny some people are still talking about Sabah. Anyway, I believed the present government under PNoy and the wannabe sultan of Sulu is not really interested in pursuing this Sabah issue for now. Spratly and MILF is still the bigger geo-boundary political issues.

Don't waste time debating on issues that have no relevance to your lives. As I said before, it doesn't really matter who Sabah belongs to in ancient times, because now we are becoming a seemingly borderless nations - 1Asean Community, unless you don't believe in Asean then don't spend time in this thread. :lol:

Here in Truly Asia including Sabah, we now offer 100% foreign ownership of land, real estate and companies. We definitely welcome investors from our beloved neighbor - the Philippines! NO kidding! :lol:

Sorry for opposing. But ONE ASEAN? Which idiot would even believe that? If you'll look at how Southeast Asia has been since the creation of ASEAN, only economics and diplomatic relations improved but still, cultural and psychological factors still obstruct UNITY. And mind you, these things do not change overnight, much more even in the next decade it won't change.

ASEAN keeps displaying an image of unity, prosperity and solidarity and yet on the individual level, southeast asians tend to dispute almost everything. Some have superiority complex and others don't even give a damn about their neighbors. In the Spratly's dispute where many ASEAN nations are involved and not just PHL, why can't it stand up and tell China; "You'll have to settle it with us."? If ASEAN is indeed concerned about the good of SEA, why is it letting MANY southeast asian nations get broiled in conflict with China? Another point is that its 'non-interventionist policy' has proven to give more dilemmas than provide stability in the region. Myanmar's chairmanship of ASEAN gain so much uproar from Europe and North America because of its militaristic regime and violations of human rights. The border dispute of Thailand and Cambodia would not escalate if ASEAN intervened and initiated settlement between the two countries. Now, PHL has been asking ASEAN to give a strong stance against China's conduct on the Spratly's dispute and what happened? And now you blame the Philippines from asking assistance from the United States? That plain bull crap! ASEAN's image of UNITY is 'superficial' because behind every headline is an individual story to tell. And what the leaders are chanting are different from what we are doing. Sorry but I don't think there anything good in store for ASEAN in the unless it reforms itself.

IMO. :)

Why do people suddenly praise Indonesians as rich people? :)

in lowyat forum people say that indons and pilaks (is that the word you use for filipinos?) children in sabah will become rapists, thieves, killers... and those indons and pilaks are tree people (living in tree...wow so those people think that indons and pilaks in sabah are kind of monkey?)...

Patchay, I don't mean to attack you for what those Lowyat forumers say...I know that you and other Malaysian forumers here are not like them...
And I know that you want to befriended with Indonesian forumers here, that's why you have kind words on us...thanks buddy...:)

Pilaks ? I don't even know that word :crazy:

Lowyat is just slightly better than Topix, but of course faaar below the level of our Skyscrapercity . Pardon some spoiled kids in such forums.

:nuts: nasi lemak everyday? haha.. i think better stay somewhere in Pj, bandar utama will be a good place as their are a number of filipinos their and lots of good resto. oh almost forgot 1utama shopping mall is their. :)

Sometimes I found pleasantly surprised that Filipinos in malaysia love our food alot. There is huge difference between Filipino cuisine and ours. In contrary, almost all my Arab and South Asian friends have serious trouble with Malay food.

Pilaks ? I don't even know that word :crazy:

Lowyat is just slightly better than Topix, but of course faaar below the level of our Skyscrapercity . Pardon some spoiled kids in such forums.
lowyat is in the same level with kaskus's lounge :lol:

Sometimes I found pleasantly surprised that Filipinos in malaysia love our food alot. There is huge difference between Filipino cuisine and ours. In contrary, almost all my Arab and South Asian friends have serious trouble with Malay food.

It shows that we Southeast Asians are afterall much closer and adaptable to one another compared to elsewhere in Asia/ME. :lol: :lol:


Patchay, I don't mean to attack you for what those Lowyat forumers say...I know that you and other Malaysian forumers here are not like them... And I know that you want to befriended with Indonesian forumers here, that's why you have kind words on us...thanks buddy...:)

Actually I'm quite surprised people outside my nation actually reads Lowyat. A very typical Malaysia conversation is like that with our broken languages and ignorant, "facepalm" statements.

Lowyat is a place to read, laugh and finally troll together. Too many troll-ers there.

As I was surfing there, somehow stumbled upon a new thread about "Indonesian Maids" http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2135202. :ohno: :lol:

lowyat is in the same level with kaskus's lounge :lol:

Indeed hahahahahha. At least in Lowyat and Kaskus there are some good friendly discussion, but Topix is full of fightings :runaway:

It shows that we Southeast Asians are afterall much closer and adaptable to one another compared to elsewhere in Asia/ME. :lol: :lol:




Actually I'm quite surprised people outside my nation actually reads Lowyat. A very typical Malaysia conversation is like that with our broken languages and ignorant, "facepalm" statements.

Lowyat is a place to read, laugh and finally troll together. Too many troll-ers there.

As I was surfing there, somehow stumbled upon a new thread about "Indonesian Maids" http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2135202. :ohno: :lol:

i read the thread and somehow, it's true :lol:
when lebaran day years ago (when i still live with my family), my maid got some days off, then my family came to her home. and you know what? she was wearing my mom's cloth that never been given (stolen) :lol:

because it's lebaran, my mom was just pretending nothing happen :lol:

:nuts: nasi lemak everyday? haha.. i think better stay somewhere in Pj, bandar utama will be a good place as their are a number of filipinos their and lots of good resto. oh almost forgot 1utama shopping mall is their. :)

I LOOOOOVEEE NASI LEMAK. I even tried making it myself (of course I cheated, bought bottled sambal belacan).

I can cook Thai Green Curry, Nasi Goreng and I can say I can make Nasi Lemak. Anyone here knows how to make Filipino food? :D


Sometimes I found pleasantly surprised that Filipinos in malaysia love our food alot. There is huge difference between Filipino cuisine and ours. In contrary, almost all my Arab and South Asian friends have serious trouble with Malay food.


Malay cuisine isn't that world's apart from Filipino cuisine which is an amalgamation of so many cultures and influences. :)

The only food I cant really stand eating would be Burmese and Cambodian cuisines. For VN food- I can only eat a few dishes..


RE: shit talk Pinoy style- PEX or Pinoyexchange. :D

Ito gusto kong thread sa lahat ka so di naman ako sanay mag english buti nalang nakakaintindi ko ng english kahit papano kaya naiintihan ko pinaguusapan nyo hehe :)

I LOOOOOVEEE NASI LEMAK. I even tried making it myself (of course I cheated, bought bottled sambal belacan).

I can cook Thai Green Curry, Nasi Goreng and I can say I can make Nasi Lemak. Anyone here knows how to make Filipino food? :D



Hahahah, well the best way to eat Nasi Lemak is to eat it with Fried Chicken ( Malay style ) . That's super yummy !

I don't know how to cook at all ( except for making spaghetti plus eggs ) I wish Filipino restaurants to flourish in the rest of ASEAn. I think that preparing Filipino food requires some specific ingredietns of which many aren't available outside Philippines, is that ?

And.. Fried Bangus isn't difficult at all to make :P


The only food I cant really stand eating would be Burmese and Cambodian cuisines. For VN food- I can only eat a few dishes..



I like Vietnamese cuisine , especially because it is very healthy compared to Malay food . The taste is much lighter than Thai/Malaysian/Indonesian cuisine, but the perfect balance of its health benefits and diverse taste make me like it alot.

Burmese cuisine is pretty far from our ( Maly ) cuisine I believe, I haven't seen any single Burmese restaurant in Malaysia . Am not sure about Khmer cuisine too.

Hahahah, well the best way to eat Nasi Lemak is to eat it with Fried Chicken ( Malay style ) . That's super yummy !


ayam goreng? sedap sedap sedap :lol:
i love ones with serundeng

http://arcawinangun.blogsome.com/images/ayamgrgserundeng_hf.JPG

btw, thing that i think better than ayam goreng serundeng is ayam bakar manis (my favourite food all over the time!) :drool:

http://perjalanankulinerku.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ayam-bakar.jpg

Pilaks ? I don't even know that word :crazy:

Lowyat is just slightly better than Topix, but of course faaar below the level of our Skyscrapercity . Pardon some spoiled kids in such forums.


No problem, Skyprince, I know that we can't take those lowyat forumers seriously...
I only wanted to tease Patchay, he was the one who recommended lowyat as a better forum than topix....:)

They're just like Bendera... no need to take Bendera seriously... :)

Actually I'm quite surprised people outside my nation actually reads Lowyat. A very typical Malaysia conversation is like that with our broken languages and ignorant, "facepalm" statements.

Lowyat is a place to read, laugh and finally troll together. Too many troll-ers there.

As I was surfing there, somehow stumbled upon a new thread about "Indonesian Maids" http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2135202. :ohno: :lol:

you're the one who recommended us to look at lowyat which have smarter comments than topix :)

actually I wanted to tease you, why do you all of a sudden praise indonesia so much? hahaha no need to answer, we know that you're trying to be kind to us...:)

Hahahah, well the best way to eat Nasi Lemak is to eat it with Fried Chicken ( Malay style ) . That's super yummy !

I don't know how to cook at all ( except for making spaghetti plus eggs ) I wish Filipino restaurants to flourish in the rest of ASEAn. I think that preparing Filipino food requires some specific ingredietns of which many aren't available outside Philippines, is that ?

And.. Fried Bangus isn't difficult at all to make :P




I like Vietnamese cuisine , especially because it is very healthy compared to Malay food . The taste is much lighter than Thai/Malaysian/Indonesian cuisine, but the perfect balance of its health benefits and diverse taste make me like it alot.

Burmese cuisine is pretty far from our ( Maly ) cuisine I believe, I haven't seen any single Burmese restaurant in Malaysia . Am not sure about Khmer cuisine too.

I think if you can find dried laurel/bay leaves around your area, you can make adobo. :) Very easy to make! :)

Yeah I prefer eating chicken with nasi lemak- I dont like beef or other things with it.



ayam goreng? sedap sedap sedap :lol:
i love ones with serundeng

http://arcawinangun.blogsome.com/images/ayamgrgserundeng_hf.JPG

btw, thing that i think better than ayam goreng serundeng is ayam bakar manis (my favourite food all over the time!) :drool:

http://perjalanankulinerku.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ayam-bakar.jpg


:drool:

But manis is sweet right?

Let's move on to other topics. No country and forumer bashings. Everybody is welcome here :okay:

I think if you can find dried laurel/bay leaves around your area, you can make adobo. :) Very easy to make! :)

Yeah I prefer eating chicken with nasi lemak- I dont like beef or other things with it.






:drool:

But manis is sweet right?
yes, manis is sweet
it is roasted with soy sauce.
ayam bakar also match eaten with terasi (belacan, in malaysia)
sweet and spicy. that's the best part :D

Today is the significant day for Thai people,the king's 7 cycle(84th) birthday anniversary.
There are many event held for the king.
King will appear on the.bacalny of Chakri throne hall in Grand palace,this morning.
Many people wear pink shirt for king. It's not neccesory to describe how Thai love the king,I think all of you already known that.
There are many great song for H.M king, for me I like this song.It's meaningful.
( Thais often refer king as 'Father of big family(Thailand).Thai call informally king,NAI LUANG.

1Xt56WV6JZQ


The birthday celebrations for the monarch include this fabulous display of light at Wat Phra Kaew (The Grand Palace) near the river.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/media/content/20111205/336256.jpg

More news,credit : http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/269266/joy-as-his-majesty-is-84-today

Jabidah massacre is a proof that bangsamoro prefer Malaysian rather than filipinos :lol: and even up until today bangsamoro don't want to be call as filipinos as they believe they never part of Spanish colony...:)

That perception is changing. Moslem Filipinos acknowledged their Filipino citizenship. As PH grows, many Moslem Filipinos go to universities, get jobs, drive their cars and there are so many of them ventured into business. I've met few Moslem Filipinos on holiday in Malaysia before. You can also see the increasing number of Filipinos who go to Haj pilgrimage, which is a good indicator since it is expensive to go to Mecca.

In mainstream society esp. here in Metro Manila, there is no conflict between Moslems and Christians for decades. Since the declaration of Ramadhan as a national holiday, it provides more understanding to the Christian majority as to the importance of fellow Moslem Filipinos. In the mainstream media, there is one talk show hosted by a lawyer Moslem Filipino. In so many malls here, you will meet a lot of Moslem enterpreneurs selling from pearls, cell phones, clothes, jewelry, DVD etc. I know of at least three malls with places of worship for Moslems (one in Makati, another is in San Juan and the third is in BGC). I have few Moslem Filipino friends here. :)

^

Pardon with my english as it is not my first language, I am proud with my mother tongue and my country unlike some people that want to become a perfectionist in english and USA wannabe..:lol:

It's not the desire to be perfectionist but to be grammatically correct in speaking and writing in English, being an official language per our Constitution. It is taught in school and other learning centers. On the other hand, it cannot be denied that in PH, people tend to look down at fellow Filipinos who do not know how to speak English. Just imagine the stigma.

It's not the desire to be perfectionist but to be grammatically correct in speaking and writing in English, being an official language per our Constitution. It is taught in school and other learning centers. On the other hand, it cannot be denied that in PH, people tend to look down at fellow Filipinos who do not know how to speak English. Just imagine the stigma.

Also, there are even Pinoys who look down on some Fil-Ams or Fil-Foreigners for being unable to speak our native language.

I have encountered a lots of filipinos that love to complaints about others people grammar more than any people from other countries :nuts:

Maybe all filipinos should be an english teacher and exported around the globe :lol:

I have encountered a lots of filipinos that love to complaints about others people grammar more than any people from other countries :nuts:

Maybe all filipinos should be an english teacher and exported around the globe :lol:

Hehehe. I am not surprised. Maybe these Filipinos would like to get back on their experiences at school, the ridicule they got from their classmates and teachers. So, when they saw some grammatical errors in forum discussions specifically written by foreigners, they immediately poke fun or criticize them. I heard that until this time, there are still schools that impose penalty in peso if the student speaks in native language inside the classroom. That is actually an issue here. Some parents are protesting.

The government has done that but not that big in number. Would you believe that even the US recruited Filipino teachers? Yes, that's a reality.

Today is the significant day for Thai people,the king's 7 cycle(84th) birthday anniversary.
There are many event held for the king.
King will appear on the.bacalny of Chakri throne hall in Grand palace,this morning.
Many people wear pink shirt for king. It's not neccesory to describe how Thai love the king,I think all of you already known that.
There are many great song for H.M king, for me I like this song.It's meaningful.
( Thais often refer king as 'Father of big family(Thailand).Thai call informally king,NAI LUANG.

1Xt56WV6JZQ

84th Birthday! Love Live the King of Thailand.

Sorry guys can't resist from posting this here:

KL's Newest Attraction Over the Weekend - World's First 360Degrees Projection Venue - wat ya think?



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^^ :) the place really looks nice it has a bit of futuristic appeal , I felt dizzy when looking at the pictures .. :nuts:

^^ patchay: brilliant! cool

I have encountered a lots of filipinos that love to complaints about others people grammar more than any people from other countries :nuts:

That's true. I posted the picture below on another internet forum that had Europeans, Americans, Aussies as frequent posters and they didn't see anything funny with it (or at least they wanted to know its context). Filipinos on the other hand had a field day poking fun at the picture.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xa18UgBpJ2g/TZAs7Xd3LiI/AAAAAAAABSI/Z_pMfw5Z5i4/s1600/posser.jpg



Maybe all filipinos should be an english teacher and exported around the globe :lol:

Well, ESL or English as Second Language services has been outsourced to the Philippines already and is one of the leading services of the BPO/KPO industry. Koreans actually go to the Philippines and study and learn how to speak/write English. So probably the next step is to deploy our people overseas. Oops, our president won't like that as he has stated that our economy no longer relies on our OFW remittances. :nuts:

To these people:

ardimusica, CrazyForID, FlashCollider, going-higher, hackmanjkk, ll P ll u ll T ll, manila_eye, Mehome, radnelac2010, rawr, urban Iegend


1. Why Papua should not join ASEAN?

2. Then should Timor Leste join ASEAN?


To all others:

- ASEAN Community achievable in 2015?

Well, ESL or English as Second Language services has been outsourced to the Philippines already and is one of the leading services of the BPO/KPO industry. Koreans actually go to the Philippines and study and learn how to speak/write English. So probably the next step is to deploy our people overseas. Oops, our president won't like that as he has stated that our economy no longer relies on our OFW remittances. :nuts:

The word deploy made it sound like an army. A pnoy english guru that covertly try to dominate the world..:lol:

To these people:


1. Why Papua should not join ASEAN?

2. Then should Timor Leste join ASEAN?


To all others:

- ASEAN Community achievable in 2015?

1. maybe riain was right. i dont think PNG will join ASEAN, at least until our Papua being developed. besides, i don't see any advantages from PNG to join in
I think Jakarta will veto PNG's inclusion to ASEAN. The government might see it as a way to capacitate the independence movement in Irian Jaya.

2. yes, timor should. since we're no longer hating them :lol: on the contrary we're helping them boosting their infrastructure. maybe with timor joining ASEAN they can accelerate their economy's growing some more

about ASEAN community.. i don't know, it depends on you guys
but i'm 100% supporting the idea and concept of asean community :D

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MANILA presents...


TRAIN, LIVE IN MANILA, DEC. 7, 2011 @ SMART ARANETA CENTER COLISEUM
http://www.philippineconcerts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/train-live-in-manila.jpg

RICHARD MARX, LIVE IN MANILA @ December 9, 2011, SMART Araneta Coliseum
http://www.philippineconcerts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/richard-marx-live-in-manila.jpg

PARKWAY DRIVE, LIVE IN MANILA, December 9, 2011 @ Amoranto Theater, Quezon City
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KUALA LUMPUR presents...


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KL is fast becoming a hub for All-Asian artistes. It has almost a dozen Asian artistes event per month.

Indonesia:

http://redtix.airasia.com/Events/Maliq/images/event_banner_maliq.jpg


S.Korea:

http://redtix.airasia.com/Events/Alexander/images/event_banner_alexander.jpg

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Hong Kong:

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In early Jan 2012:
- Foster The People Live in KL
- Simple Plan Live in KL
- Dashboard Confessional Live in KL

yes, manis is sweet
it is roasted with soy sauce.
ayam bakar also match eaten with terasi (belacan, in malaysia)
sweet and spicy. that's the best part :D

Sounds awesome... I am getting hungry now..

Thai king leaves hospital for birthday speech
(AFP) – 7 hours ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5hR_KPV3Dh9axeVtTMpK02JaN268A?docId=photo_1323066657729-1-0&size=l

BANGKOK — Thailand's frail king, the world's longest reigning monarch, left the hospital where he has been staying for more than two years on Monday and addressed his subjects to mark his 84th birthday.

Bhumibol Adulyadej, who is widely revered across the kingdom, was greeted by thousands of chanting and flag-waving Thais as he left the hospital in a wheelchair and was taken by motorcade to Bangkok's Grand Palace.

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hNBKzWpLk7ehyE70LIoSe1uk3ckg?docId=CNG.46bd8c51853f3cf68ffd4a374c9a2033.351




Indonesia releases Australian drug teen
By Didik Dwi (AFP) – 1 day ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5iO7MN5diuIFI4UPlsrqzTj-DNijQ?docId=photo_1322968330476-1-0&size=l

DENPASAR, Indonesia — Indonesia on Sunday released a 14-year-old Australian boy convicted of drug possession on the resort island of Bali after two months in detention.

A high school student from a coastal area north of Sydney, the teen has been the focus of intense negotiations involving Canberra's Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd and other Australian officials lobbying for his release.

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hCcpsS4w4Fl-fxvSTu5lAVZAc4vg?docId=CNG.126a6febef710775419a5cbac1e11300.91




6 Chinese charged for turtle catch in Philippines
By Teresa Cerojano, Associated Press – 4 hours ago

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — A court in the Philippines charged six Chinese fisherman with poaching endangered sea turtles in proceedings Monday aimed at protecting threatened wildlife along the country's coastline.

Authorities discovered a batch of giant green turtles after intercepting the fishermen's speedboat in waters off the western province of Palawan on Friday, said military spokesman Maj. Niel Estrella. A joint team from the Philippine navy, coast guard and the Environment Department made the seizure.

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hCD4DYA05h_c5iHE9rFz4SGYMokg?docId=d0f8b60c342d4f3e8b058f02c03d6607




Vietnam building second terminal at Hanoi airport
(AFP) – 9 hours ago

HANOI — Vietnam has begun construction of a second terminal to ease overcrowding at the only airport in the nation's capital, the government said.

Officials held a ceremony at the Noi Bai airport on Sunday to break ground on the four-storey facility which is being funded by more than 75 billion yen ($961 million) in Japanese aid, the Vietnamese government said.

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jEVWEvhmQr1LpeoaCxwcD-7zy-1g?docId=CNG.46bd8c51853f3cf68ffd4a374c9a2033.1f1




Singapore scientists develop system to accurately reconstruct DNA
Monday, Dec 05, 2011 | AsiaOne

SINGAPORE - Researchers at the Genome Institute of Singapore (GIS) have developed a first-of-its-kind computational tool that accurately reconstructs DNA sequences.

The genomic study of life relies on a process called genome assembly, the piecing together of DNA sequences using computational tools.

Read More >>> http://health.asiaone.com/Health/News/Story/A1Story20111205-314464.html




Malaysia, Qatar set up US$2bil investment fund for ASEAN region
TheStar | Updated: Monday December 5, 2011 MYT 2:26:09 PM

PUTRAJAYA: Malaysia and Qatar have agreed to set up a US$2bil (RM6.2bil) investment fund to boost trade in this region.

The areas of investments and locations to invest were being finalised, said Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak Monday.

Read More >>> http://www.thestar.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/5/nation/20111205142614&sec=nation




Bangkok Bank, Thailand's largest to expand in Malaysia
Business Times | Dec 5, 2012

Bangkok Bank Bhd aims to strengthen its presence in Malaysia by opening another four branches in the country by 2016, says chief executive officer Robert Loke.

He said the new branches will cost about RM1 million to RM2 million each, depending on location and size. "We currently have four branches outside Kuala Lumpur, including two in Johor, one in Penang and the latest one in Klang, Selangor.

Read More >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111205160743/Article/index_html

1. Why Papua should not join ASEAN?

What will we, as ASEAN benefit from them? Besides, I believe that they are leaning more towards Australia.

2. Then should Timor Leste join ASEAN?

Yes, it's a small country, very manageable compared to Papua. They could be the next Singapore if they want to.


To all others:

- ASEAN Community achievable in 2015?

No. Not in that year.

Commercial break - Posters of Upcoming/Recent Events

In early Jan 2012:
- Foster The People Live in KL
- Simple Plan Live in KL
- Dashboard Confessional Live in KL

Pitbull visited Manila last Nov. 30.

We have this lineup for early 2012 too:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvcwq53BtR1qf3e20o1_500.jpg
http://www.dealies.ph/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/katy-perry-live-in-Manila-2012.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvknvz9KZj1qd4jzdo1_500.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QLdyJeSLHXM/Tspo2oY-1FI/AAAAAAAAGaM/PeetP65zysg/s640/hanson%2Blive%2Bin%2Bmanila%2B2012.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv61kv9cYY1qatx0z.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luwfncmyT91qatx0z.jpg

Coldplay is rumored.

And also:

http://hoopla.ph/style/main_1b.jpg

Pitbull visited Manila last Nov. 30.

We have this lineup for early 2012 too:


Thanks! We have similar lineups too but I posted for early Jan 2012 first.

What about other ASEAN cities? Would be interesting to see what's going on in secondary cities like Penang, Pattaya, Cebu and Surabaya?

I didn't know that there was a stampede at Blackberry store in Jakarta until I've come across this news article.

RIM - Blackberry must be very grateful to Indonesia as their products are widely accepted there.

The photos on that day - the launching of Bold 9790.

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01345/raised_fist_bb_1345658a.jpg

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01345/lineup_bb_1345657a.jpg

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01345/crowd_wideshot_bb_1345656a.jpg

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01345/shopping_bag_bb_1345659a.jpg

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01345/jak_1345676cl-8.jpg

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01349/rimindo_jpg_1349653cl-8.jpg


Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/blackberry-sale-creates-havoc-in-jakarta/article2249002/

Fog in Manila yesterday:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2570/fogmet3hires.jpg


Fog blankets several buildings at the Bonifacio Global City in Taguig yesterday. Poor visibility forced the cancellation of several small-aircraft flights. JOVEN CAGANDE


Source (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=65&articleid=755389)

Thanks! We have similar lineups too but I posted for early Jan 2012 first.

What about other ASEAN cities? Would be interesting to see what's going on in secondary cities like Penang, Pattaya, Cebu and Surabaya?
beside Jakarta, international events or concerts are usually in Bali, not Surabaya

Papua New Guinea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_Association_of_Southeast_Asian_Nations), or PNG, a Commonwealth Realm, has been an observer of the regional bloc since 1976, earlier than any other non-original members of ASEAN. The fact that Papua New Guinea, a country outside Southeast Asia had been granted the observer status is because Papua New Guinea's admission was carried out before the enactment of 1983 decision of limiting only Southeast Asian countries becoming a part of the regional bloc.

Sri Lanka's ASEAN membership bid was blocked in 1967 by Singapore.

Bangladesh now plans to bid as ASEAN observer, Vietnam and Laos fully supporting it.

Fog in Manila yesterday:


Fog blankets several buildings at the Bonifacio Global City in Taguig yesterday. Poor visibility forced the cancellation of several small-aircraft flights. JOVEN CAGANDE

Source (http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=65&articleid=755389)


Uuuhh...is it fog or smog? Normally in MM it would be smog but if its just fog then its a welcome development as it means MM air is getting cleaner..

Uuuhh...is it fog or smog? Normally in MM it would be smog but if its just fog then its a welcome development as it means MM air is getting cleaner..

Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical and Astronomical Services Administration’s (PAGASA) weather services assistant chief Rene Paciente said the fog, a low-lying cloud, observed Monday was due to the passing of warm and moist air over the cold landmass of Metro Manila.

“The sunshine rarely reached the landmass because of cloudy skies and rains during the past few days causing the cooling of the landmass in Metro Manila. The warm and moist air spanned the cold landmass causing the condensation of moisture that formed the fog,” Paciente said.

The foggy condition caused cooler weather in the metropolis but triggered poor visibility among motorists. Metro Manila recorded a slightly lower temperature Monday at 22.9 degrees Celsius.

Paciente said a fog persists until the sun rises, and afterwards it begins to dissipate.

“The fog observed in Metro Manila was formed overnight and dissipated at past 8 a.m. on Monday,” he said.

“If cloudy skies and rains will persist in the next 24 hours, we could expect another fog formation,” he said.

http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/343752/thick-fog-blankets-metro-manila



Smog is pollution + fog. With a modern metropolis like Manila, it's inevitable. Although, according to recent surveys, while a lot still needs to be done to make Metro Manila air cleaner and healthier, air quality has improved in Manila (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/metro-manila/04/13/11/metro-manila-air-quality-has-improved-denr).

Sri Lanka's ASEAN membership bid was blocked in 1967 by Singapore.

Bangladesh now plans to bid as ASEAN observer, Vietnam and Laos fully supporting it.

I would say no to Observer Status for Bangladesh.

^^Little by little, Bangladesh is moving forward into ASEAN integration.

It is now a member of the ASEAN Regional Forum. ASEAN enlargement in the future also focuses in the inclusion of three states such as Papua New Guinea, East Timor and Bangladesh. Currently, East Timor is the only candidate state to become the next member of ASEAN.

^^Little by little, Bangladesh is moving forward into ASEAN integration.

It is now a member of the ASEAN Regional Forum. ASEAN enlargement in the future also focuses in the inclusion of three states such as Papua New Guinea, East Timor and Bangladesh. Currently, East Timor is the only candidate state to become the next member of ASEAN.

Bangladesh is South Asia. I wont support it. Timor is geographically okay.

^^ That's right. Because some are frustrated with South Asia Regional Cooperation (or Community?).

^^ Any thoughts why we'd have to exclude Bangladesh? I guess the reason is more geographic than relational. PNG is generally OK for me to be in ASEAN.

^^ Also, if we are going to have an integrated ASEAN economy- Bangladeshi economy is way too bad.

^^ Also, if we are going to have an integrated ASEAN economy- Bangladeshi economy is way too bad.

Admittedly, I don't know much about Bangladesh except that they are one of top exporters in the world for garments and textiles. They also have overseas workers mostly in Middle East.

However, looking at economic performance of the country, they are growing fast, too. Their total GDP at present is quiet close to Vietnam. They also have a large population so for businessmen, this is a potential market.

recent news related to Dhaka, Bangladesh.

Initiatives underway to have direct flights from Bangladesh to Manila
October 22, 2011 3:55pm

Initiatives are now being taken to have direct flights from Dhaka (Bangladesh) to Manila to boost tourism in the Philippines, the Department of Foreign Affairs said.

Bangladesh Minister of Civil Aviation and Tourism Ghulam Muhammed Qader disclosed this at a recently concluded tourism fair in Dhaka.

"Responding to the remarks of (Philippine Ambassador Bahnarim Guinomla) on the need for enhanced connectivity, (Qader said) initiatives are being taken by quarters concerned for a foreign airline servicing Dhaka to extend its operation to the Philippines on a direct flight basis," the DFA said.

During the tourist fair, Guinomla had announced the Aquino administration's efforts to further promote tourism in the country by liberalizing the aviation sector and developing tourism infrastructure.

The Philippine officials managed to mount a successful exhibit at the recent Asian Tourism Fair 2011 at the Bangabandhu International Conference Center in Dhaka.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/236234/economy/initiatives-underway-to-have-direct-flights-from-bangladesh-to-manila

I meant to drop by Dhaka next May en route to Paro (Bhutan), pero naisip ko wag na.

Dhaka?
Chaka na lang:lol:

I meant to drop by Dhaka next May en route to Paro (Bhutan), pero naisip ko wag na.

I've been 3 times to Bangladesh, and this is my 1st trip report ( 200+ photos ) ---> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=570677

Feeling ashamed looking at my face 3 years ago :doh:

I don't think BD can even join ASEAN- the migrants issue is one big reason not to allow it to happen. Papua New Guinea ? Even though it is right at our doorstep I've never met any PNG nationals in my life... anyone here been to Port Moresby ?

I've been 3 times to Bangladesh, and this is my 1st trip report ( 200+ photos ) ---> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=570677

Feeling ashamed looking at my face 3 years ago :doh:

I don't think BD can even join ASEAN- the migrants issue is one big reason not to allow it to happen. Papua New Guinea ? Even though it is right at our doorstep I've never met any PNG nationals in my life... anyone here been to Port Moresby ?

One of my friends and another coworker has been to Pt Moresby - where everyone can come inside a supermarket with their spears. :lol:

Big no-no I agree- when it comes to migrant workers. They will literally flood ASEAN. (Although they will flood Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore first!).

@SkyPrince, saw some of the photos- interesting city- kinda reminds me of the rundown parts of Manila, and then with a mix of Rangoon and Colombo.

RIM Indonesia chief named suspect in BlackBerry chaos
By Shirley Wibisono (AFP) – 1 day ago

JAKARTA — Indonesian police named Research In Motion's country director a suspect for negligence Monday after a BlackBerry promotion turned chaotic and left dozens injured and others knocked unconscious.

Andrew Cobham, president director for Research in Motion (RIM) in Indonesia, and British security consultant Terry Burkey were named as two of four suspects in the incident at a Jakarta mall and could face five years' imprisonment.

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gMzByY_jj9EgFtcmqFik04iv0zmA?docId=CNG.8924fe8836bf86af3c47bc380f13f496.81




US troubled by court rulings in Thailand
(AP) – 13 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States said Monday it is troubled by recent court rulings in Thailand inconsistent with international standards of freedom of expression.

On Nov. 23, a Thai court sentenced 61-year-old grandfather Amphon Tangnoppakul to 20 years in prison for sending four text messages deemed offensive to the Thai queen. Amphon was punished under tough laws aimed at protecting the monarchy and combating computer crimes

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iyKEMcWDblegTcmYW0_VYNt8C_LQ?docId=cf5bc6339f6c422fa153a6e96f7d88eb




Despite Floods, Thailand Poised for Tourism Record
The Wall Street Journal Blog | December 6, 2011, 11:10 AM SGT

BANGKOK — Thailand’s vital tourism industry has suffered terribly from the massive floods that continue to drain slowly from Bangkok’s suburbs. Remarkably, however, the country is poised to set a record for the most yearly international arrivals, underscoring the tourism sector’s resilience despite a string of recent crises.

The floods, which began in July and have killed more than 600 people, may mean that Thailand welcomes up to 750,000 fewer foreign visitors this year, the government says. That could lead to as much as $600 million in lost tourism revenue.

But arrivals were so high in the months leading up to the inundation that the country is still expected to welcome more than 16 million international travelers this year — a new record. That’s good news, since Thailand’s tourism industry employs more than 2 million people and comprises 6 percent of the country’s gross domestic product.

Read More >>> http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2011/12/06/despite-floods-thailand-poised-for-tourism-record/




Philippine forces hunt for kidnapped Australian
(AFP) – 8 hours ago

ZAMBOANGA, Philippines — Philippine security forces scoured forested mountains on Tuesday in search of an Australian man who was abducted by suspected Islamic militants in the lawless south of the country.

Warren Rodwell became the 10th foreigner to have been abducted in the south this year when gunmen broke into his home in the small coastal town of Ipil on Monday evening, according to police.

Read More >>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJj6ElFIPYbuvWKNopb4nHoXr0jQ?docId=CNG.6a0aaf9cebae03c322a220e5b45c10c6.481




Indonesia brings global nuclear test ban one step closer
Sin Chew Jit Poh | Reuters | 2011-12-06 17:40

VIENNA, December 6, 2011 (AFP) - The nuclear test ban treaty CTBT is one step closer to being implemented, following its ratification by key signatory Indonesia, the commission overseeing the treaty announced Tuesday.

"I welcome today's outcome of the vote in the Indonesian Parliament to ratify the treaty," Tibor Toth, head of the CTBT's preparatory commission, said in a statement, describing it as a "historic decision."

Jakarta's move brings the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty "a significant step closer to becoming global law," he added.

Read More >>> http://www.mysinchew.com/node/67417




Vietnam: 100,000 Killed, Hurt by Abandoned Weapons Since War
By Associated Press | FOXNews | Dec 5, 2011

HANOI, Vietnam – More than 100,000 Vietnamese have been killed or injured by land mines or other abandoned explosives since the Vietnam War ended nearly 40 years ago, and clearing all of the country will take decades more, officials said Monday.

"The war's painful legacy, which includes hundreds of thousands of tons of bombs and unexploded ordnance, continues to cause painful casualties every day," Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung told a U.N.-sponsored conference on ways to deal with the problem.

Read More >>> http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/05/vietnam-100000-killed-hurt-by-abandoned-weapons/




Malaysia Unveils Plans to Boost Shipbuilding Industry, Also to Develop Jet Fuel from Algae, Create 55,000 Jobs
By Barry Porter | Bloomberg News | Dec 6, 2011 3:00 PM GMT+0800

Malaysia plans to boost its shipbuilding and repair industry through regulatory intervention and incentive packages for investment and human capital development, Prime Minister Najib Razak said.

Malaysia has also launched a centre for aerospace innovation, setting its sight on technology to develop jet fuel from algae. The Aerospace Malaysia Innovation Centre (AMIC) would also innovate new standards in aero structure manufacturing and sustainable green aeronautic materials as well as improved technologies for systems integration.

Read More (Part 1):
>>> http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsbusiness.php?id=632272
>>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-06/malaysia-unveils-plan-to-boost-shipbuilding-create-55-000-jobs.html

Read More (Part 2):
>>> http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/6/nation/20111206123411&sec=nation




Asia has fastest growing defense expenditure
TheStar | Tuesday December 6, 2011 MYT 11:53:00 AM

LANGKAWI: Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak opened the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition 2011 (LIMA '11), underscoring that defence and security are of paramount importance to regional and national strategic interests.

The Prime Minister pointed out that defence and security ensured not only territorial integrity but also the sovereignty that all countries hold dear.

More than 400 companies from 35 countries at taking part in the 11th edition of LIMA. Over half of the world's top 100 maritime and aerospace suppliers are present for the show.

Najib said the government would provide the best tools for the men and women in uniform as "there can be no doubting (their) bravery and heroism."

Read More >>> http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/6/nation/20111206120551&sec=nation





Say bye2 to the Greens in a Penang suburban :bash: :bash: :ohno:


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Malaysia's Parkson Group eyes Philippines, Thailand and Myanmar; plans to open 24 stores in 2012
Bloomberg | Business Times | Dec 6, 2011


KUALA LUMPUR: Parkson Holdings Bhd, a Kuala Lumpur-based department-store operator that makes most of its revenue in China, plans to enter new markets in Southeast Asia to tap the region’s growing affluence.

The retailer that has 102 outlets in China, Malaysia, Vietnam and Indonesia, sees Myanmar, Thailand and the Philippines as potential markets, said Alfred Cheng, managing director of the units listed in Hong Kong and Singapore.

Parkson plans to open 24 more stores in Asia by the end of next year, followed by its first in Cambodia in the first half of 2013, Cheng said.

It currently operates 49 outlets in China, 37 in Malaysia, 8 each in Vietnam and Indonesia.

The holding company owns 51.5 percent of Hong Kong-listed Parkson Retail Group Ltd., which is based in Beijing, and 67.6 percent of Singapore-listed Parkson Retail Asia Ltd., which runs all stores outside China, according to stock exchange filings.

Parkson Holdings, the Malaysian parent, had RM3.2 billion (US$1 billion) in cash in September, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Its position is “strong enough” for acquisitions and opening stores in new markets as opportunities arise, Cheng said. Parkson Retail Group signed an agreement last month to expand a loan, completed last year, by 60 percent to US$400 million, giving it additional working capital to expand in China.

Read More
>>> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-06/parkson-turns-to-southeast-asia-for-growth-outside-of-china.html
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111206121815/Article/index_html




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http://www.bloomberg.co.jp/apps/data?pid=avimage&iid=iD6HhaomiSQI
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2655188444_dc03d42881.jpg

Malaysia's Parkson is China's largest foreign-owned departmental store operator with 49 outlets nationwide. It plans to expand aggressively in ASEAN countries including Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and new markets.


Parkson and Lion Group helping Vietnam grow
Parkson is the retail arm of The Lion Group, an international conglomerate which has its beginnings in manufacturing and trading operations in the 1930s. The Lion Group has since ventured beyond the shores of Malaysia and established international operations in diversified business areas in China, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Mexico, Singapore and USA.

http://www.parkson.com.vn/sites/default/files/16-17success1.jpg
http://www.parkson.com.vn/en


Parkson's ultimate parent - Lion Group is already a major investor in Vietnam's tyre manufacturing and steel manufacturing industry. Early this year, a proposed project was cancelled.

Vietnam cancels US$9.8b steel venture :ohno:
http://www.thanhniennews.com/2010/Pages/20110225165731.aspx

HANOI: The Vietnamese government has decided to revoke the investment license of a US$9.8 billion joint venture between state-owned shipbuilder Vinashin and Malaysia’s Lion Group to build a steel plant.

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung approved a plan to cancel the Ca Na project in the Central Province of Ninh Thuan, local officials confirmed Thursday.

indonesian super rich is now eye-ing africa

Indonesia Bakrie Group to invest $1 bln in Nigeria resources JV
Indonesia Bakrie Group to invest $1 bln in Nigeria resources JV

JAKARTA Dec 6 (Reuters) - Indonesian conglomerate the Bakrie Group said on Tuesday it has set up a joint venture vehicle to invest $1 billion over five years into the resources sector in Nigeria.

The venture with British Nigerian entrepreneur Ladi Delano, forming Bakrie Delano Africa, plans to invest $1 billion in mining, gas and agriculture, the Bakrie Group said in a statement.

"With this venture we wish to reiterate not only that Indonesian companies are increasingly more active in shaping the world's investment landscape, but also that Africa, especially Nigeria, is indeed an attractive investment destination," said Indra Bakrie of the Bakrie Group.

Delano will be the chief executive of the venture, the statement said.

The Bakrie Group owns stakes in PT Bumi Resources, Asia's largest thermal coal exporter, diversified miner PT Bumi Resources Minerals and other Indonesian firms in sectors such as palm oil, property and telecoms. ...readmore (http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL3E7N61LX20111206)

FG, Indonesian group sign MOU on mining, palm oil, others
December 6, 2011 12:34PM

The Federal Government on Monday in Abuja, signed a Memoranda of Understanding (MoU) with an Indonesia Business Group, mandating the Indonesian company to invest one billion dollars in mining, palm oil and rubber development.

Dr Olusegun Aganga, the Minister of Trade and Investment, signed on behalf of the Federal Government while Mr Indra Bakrie, signed on behalf of the Indonesia business group.

Aganga stated that part of the fund which would also be invested in palm oil and rubber plantations, would be spread over a period of five years.

According to him, the programme will be executed in seven states starting with Ogun and Cross River as pilot states.

``This is the product of the series of meetings we had been having with foreign investors outside the country, particularly our last meeting at the Commonwealth Heads of Government (CHOGM) meeting in Australia.

``The signing of the MOU is to make your job easier and to ensure you settle down to business quickly. This is the beginning of a long symbolic partnership between Nigeria and your group,'' the minister said.

Aganga assured the group that every information and logistics would be made available to them to facilitate the registration of their company. ...readmore (http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Money/Business/5749059-146/story.csp)

^^Little by little, Bangladesh is moving forward into ASEAN integration.

It is now a member of the ASEAN Regional Forum. ASEAN enlargement in the future also focuses in the inclusion of three states such as Papua New Guinea, East Timor and Bangladesh. Currently, East Timor is the only candidate state to become the next member of ASEAN.

IF ASEAN continues to enlarge like this. Wouldn't it become necessary for the grouping to become more than just a regional entity but soon become a 'continental' one? I mean the South Asian Association is quite problematic.

But still, this 'non-interventionist policy' will destroy both ASEAN's reputation and it's superficial unity. I mean, being already pessimistic enough for the region's future, there's still that very little optimism that even at perhaps, these problems could be resolved.

sorry, not that I don't appreciate your effort in bringing this news, but I think it's supposed to be put in Indonesian or African section...

This thread is more appropriate for news on Indonesian companies investing in other ASEAN countries, IMHO... :)


indonesian super rich is now eye-ing africa

Indonesia Bakrie Group to invest $1 bln in Nigeria resources JV
Indonesia Bakrie Group to invest $1 bln in Nigeria resources JV



FG, Indonesian group sign MOU on mining, palm oil, others
December 6, 2011 12:34PM

^^imo it's ok at least it can give us the readers here idea on how asean countries are doing especially on investments. It's interesting to know that Indonesia is also eyeing Africa.

The more the merrier they say. So PNG , Bangladesh inclusion in ASEAN is ok for me. I even want Australia to be in ASEAN well that is of course if Australia wanted to be so:lol: ASEAN should be a stronger force to balance that of giant China.

sorry, not that I don't appreciate your effort in bringing this news, but I think it's supposed to be put in Indonesian or African section...

This thread is more appropriate for news on Indonesian companies investing in other ASEAN countries, IMHO... :)
sorry, i wish i was not annoyed you guys :lol:
i just found news that i thought interesting

i dont need any appreciation, anyway :cheers:

sooooooo, some of the more materialistic foristas want membership based on wealth. Alright, :lol: :lol: :lol: some wealthy candidates for you :

1. Hong Kong Special Administrative Region

2. Macau Special Administrative Region

3. Taiwan

Malaysia's Wijaya Group gets 80,000ha logging concession in Papua, Indonesia
The SUN Daily | 6 December 2011 - 09:39pm

SHAH ALAM (Dec 6, 2011): Wijaya Baru Global Bhd, which won shareholders' approval today to acquire a 80,000ha timber concession in Papua province, Indonesia for US$80 million (RM252.6 million), hopes to start extracting logs from the area by April next year.

The target is to harvest RM727 million worth of timber in the first year of operation.

Group CEO and executive director Datuk Faizal Abdullah said the company will need another RM40 million to build up the necessary infrastructure at the site, including a RM10 million sawmill.

Read More
>>> http://www.thesundaily.my/news/230970

An earlier reporting:
>>> http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=193920&Itemid=2

indonesian super rich is now eye-ing africa

Indonesia Bakrie Group to invest $1 bln in Nigeria resources JV
Indonesia Bakrie Group to invest $1 bln in Nigeria resources JV



FG, Indonesian group sign MOU on mining, palm oil, others
December 6, 2011 12:34PM

Aburizal Bakrie is controversial figure in Indonesian and probably the richest Indonesian at the moment though some of his bussines and his activities on Indonesia economy full of controversy.

before The Sidoarjo mud flow tragedy in 2006 his wealth was around US$ 8 Billion in Forbes,but his name sudenly dissapeared from the list of 10 Indonesia richest in Forbes after that accident.

^^ Aburizal Bakrie is still a force to reckon with considering that he is the Chairman of GOLKAR party.

Indonesia becomes 156th country to ratify nuclear test ban treaty

JAKARTA, INDONESIA : The Indonesian parliament on Tuesday ratified a treaty which will ban all nuclear explosions in all environments and for all purposes, officials said, making it the 156th country to do so.

House Deputy Speaker Priyo Budi Santoso, who chaired the plenary session, confirmed that Indonesia's House of Representatives ratified the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty (CTBT). Support for the Treaty was unanimous across its nine parties.

http://www.newkerala.com/news/2011/worldnews-121313.html

The more the merrier they say. So PNG , Bangladesh inclusion in ASEAN is ok for me. I even want Australia to be in ASEAN well that is of course if Australia wanted to be so:lol: ASEAN should be a stronger force to balance that of giant China.

For Australia, they actually wanted to join ASEAN but AFAIK, Indonesia and Malaysia blocked it. I want Australia to be part of ASEAN, although...... when that happens, that would mean millions of current ASEAN Citizens will suddenly flood Australia as illegals. And I dont want that to happen!


^^imo it's ok at least it can give us the readers here idea on how asean countries are doing especially on investments. It's interesting to know that Indonesia is also eyeing Africa.


We have presence in Africa too, one such example is in Madagascar. I believe there were Filipino companies who are interested in investing in West Africa.



Malaysia's Parkson Group eyes Philippines, Thailand and Myanmar; plans to open 24 stores in 2012
Bloomberg | Business Times | Dec 6, 2011


There's a Parkson's which just opened across the road from my apartment. I am not sure how they are doing here since the locals and neither do most expats I know don't really like Parkson's.

If they open in the Philippines, I think they should open in second tier cities, or perhaps in Davao, Cebu, Angeles, even Iloilo.

For Australia, they actually wanted to join ASEAN but AFAIK, Indonesia and Malaysia blocked it. I want Australia to be part of ASEAN, although...... when that happens, that would mean millions of current ASEAN Citizens will suddenly flood Australia as illegals. And I dont want that to happen!


I never expect Australia to be part of ASEAN, forever. Good job for the members who refused it.

Aburizal Bakrie is controversial figure in Indonesian and probably the richest Indonesian at the moment though some of his bussines and his activities on Indonesia economy full of controversy.

before The Sidoarjo mud flow tragedy in 2006 his wealth was around US$ 8 Billion in Forbes,but his name sudenly dissapeared from the list of 10 Indonesia richest in Forbes after that accident.

:ohno: He pretends to be "poor" now. I'm sure he's still the richest man in Indonesia. I don't know much bout economy and business, but I suspect him for his suspicious business maneuvers, "playing" with statistics of his wealth.

I never expect Australia to be part of ASEAN, forever. Good job for the members who refused it.

:lol: You just gave yourself a pat in the back! :lol::lol::lol::nuts::nuts::nuts:

Indonesian Product
Beng Beng Chocolate only 5 pesos in sari sari store in manila

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E7NJnEGFzrE/TjeamlKeH3I/AAAAAAAAAFc/sO1pxMxa-Zs/s1600/beng-beng.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E7NJnEGFzrE/TjeamlKeH3I/AAAAAAAAAFc/sO1pxMxa-Zs/s1600/beng-beng.jpg)

masarap!!

Indonesian Product
Beng Beng Chocolate only 5 pesos in sari sari store in manila

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E7NJnEGFzrE/TjeamlKeH3I/AAAAAAAAAFc/sO1pxMxa-Zs/s1600/beng-beng.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E7NJnEGFzrE/TjeamlKeH3I/AAAAAAAAAFc/sO1pxMxa-Zs/s1600/beng-beng.jpg)

masarap!!

Speaking of Indonesian products, I know few. To start with:

1. Ekstra Aktif soap
2. Kopiko
3. Extra Joss

Indonesian Product
Beng Beng Chocolate only 5 pesos in sari sari store in manila

masarap!!

5 Pesos is equal to? How much in USD?
It costs Rp1000 each here in Indonesia (0.11USD / 11cents)

You just gave yourself a pat in the back!

:lol:
I just don't want Southeast Asian countries to be "objects only" in ASEAN, our own homelands and playgrounds, when Aussie successfully penetrates her power and her allies' here.

I don't know why you like worshiping that country so much :lol:

5 Pesos is equal to? How much in USD?
It costs Rp1000 each here in Indonesia (0.11USD / 11cents)



:lol:
I just don't want Southeast Asian countries to be "objects only" in ASEAN, our own homelands and playgrounds, when Aussie successfully penetrates her power and her allies' here.

I don't know why you like worshiping that country so much :lol:

5 Pesos = US$0.11, so same price in Indonesia?

Kopiko is going strong here in PH. For Exra Joss, you can buy them in plastic bottles to compete with the popular brands like Cobra from Asia Brewery and Sting from Pepsi Cola.

5 Pesos = US$0.11, so same price in Indonesia?

Kopiko is going strong here in PH. For Exra Joss, you can buy them in plastic bottles to compete with the popular brands like Cobra from Asia Brewery and Sting from Pepsi Cola.

Here in Indonesia, we also can find many Philippines products, mainly are foods and snacks.

Here is an article (tho' not new, but worth to read) about the successful story of PT URC, but sorry it's written in Bahasa Indonesia (you can use Google translate :lol:)
Fantastis. Kata inilah yang agaknya paling pas menggambarkan kiprah PT United Robina Corporation (URC) Indonesia dalam menggarap pasar permen dan cokelat di Tanah Air. Hanya dalam hitungan dua tahun, kinerja URC di sini bak roket melesat pesat. Produk-produk yang dipasarkannya cepat digemari target pasarnya. Sebut saja, permen Dynamite, Alush, cokelat Cloud 9 Classic, Chooey Choco, Sea Crunch, Piatos, Lush, serta snack Roller Coater, makin akrab saja di kalangan anak-anak dan remaja. Produk-produk tersebut pun telah tersedia merata di seantero Indonesia. Lebih dari itu, yang membuat prestasinya bernilai luar biasa, meskipun debutnya masih tergolong baru, setahun terakhir omsetnya sekitar Rp 250 miliar.
source (http://202.59.162.82/cetak.php?cid=1&id=1556&url=http%3A%2F%2F202.59.162.82%2Fswamajalah%2Ftren%2Fdetails.php%3Fcid%3D1%26id%3D1556)

Note : PT URC is subsidiary of JG Summit, Philippines.

Here in Indonesia, we also can find many Philippines products, mainly are foods and snacks.

Here is an article (tho' not new, but worth to read) about the successful story of PT URC, but sorry it's written in Bahasa Indonesia (you can use Google translate :lol:)


Note : PT URC is subsidiary of JG Summit, Philippines.
thai and malaysian snacks as well

thai and malaysian snacks as well

Yep, coz there are more than 230 million stomachs need to be fed everyday :lol::lol:

Such a huge potential for foods, beverages, snacks industries.

5 Pesos is equal to? How much in USD?
It costs Rp1000 each here in Indonesia (0.11USD / 11cents)



:lol:
I just don't want Southeast Asian countries to be "objects only" in ASEAN, our own homelands and playgrounds, when Aussie successfully penetrates her power and her allies' here.

I don't know why you like worshiping that country so much :lol:

Worship is a strong word, but I like Australia. I'd rather have Aussie friendship than China's.

Here in Indonesia, we also can find many Philippines products, mainly are foods and snacks.

Here is an article (tho' not new, but worth to read) about the successful story of PT URC, but sorry it's written in Bahasa Indonesia (you can use Google translate :lol:)


Note : PT URC is subsidiary of JG Summit, Philippines.

Oh, glad to hear that. I checked their profile, they established a manufacturing plant in Cibitung, Bekasi. JG Summit owns Cebu Pacific (Low Cost Carrier).

I wish that Indonesian companies put up also their factories here. :) Big Indonesian investors here are into telecommunication, toll roads, electricity or power, hospitals, TV network by Salim group and Citra.

Worship is a strong word, but I like Australia. I'd rather have Aussie friendship than China's.

I will choose both, or neither of them.
I do hope ASEAN can be neutral. Falling under one power will be automatically an "enemy" for the other one. If we have to "fall", let us fall under both powers.

You (Philippines) may find Aussie and the West as angelic-faced guy, but other countries like Indonesia finds the other dark ugly side of the face. But still, I won't consider China as angel either. Just be neutral, focus on us, ASEAN, not the external powers.

just my 2 cents . . .
(P.S. I don't hate Aussie, My grandma's from Australia, and I never hate her :lol:)

I will choose both, or neither of them.
I do hope ASEAN can be neutral. Falling under one power will be automatically an "enemy" for the other one. If we have to "fall", let us fall under both powers.

You (Philippines) may find Aussie and the West as angelic-faced guy, but other countries like Indonesia finds the other dark ugly side of the face. But still, I won't consider China as angel either. Just be neutral, focus on us, ASEAN, not the external powers.

just my 2 cents . . .
(P.S. I don't hate Aussie, My grandma's from Australia, and I never hate her :lol:)

I think ASEAN neutrality had already been compromised when China decided to invade and occupy Philippine and Vietnamese territories.

J co donuts of indonesia will open in sm megamall soon. :okay: A lot of my indonesian friends in the office are sooo excited for its opening :D

^^ Are there lots of Indonesians working in Manila? I've never met one in my life yet...

Here in Canada, I've met almost all nationalities of the world...
Germans, British, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Australians, Taiwanese, Japanese, Jordanian.. name it!
except for Indonesians and Malaysians.. I find them to be rare species here.. heheheh :D

^^ not sure, but i have around 10 indonesian friends in the country and most of them can speak Filipino fluently you may actually think they're Pinoys too :lol:

hoy, wag naman ganyan, baka mainsulto sila,lol

lot's of indonesian in la salle-manila, i think almost 50 or more, and thais,viets,and cambodians also got a few numbers

but filipino's in indonesia?,man, almost 50,000 professionals

lot's of indonesian in la salle-manila, i think almost 50 or more, and thais,viets,and cambodians also got a few numbers

but filipino's in indonesia?,man, almost 50,000 professionals

50,000 is excessive. I still have my contacts in Jakarta. In 2010, Filipino expats in Indonesia totaled 7,000++ , mostly professionals.

J co donuts of indonesia will open in sm megamall soon. :okay: A lot of my indonesian friends in the office are sooo excited for its opening :D

Nice. I like J. Co. donuts. :cheers:

^^ Are there lots of Indonesians working in Manila? I've never met one in my life yet...

Here in Canada, I've met almost all nationalities of the world...
Germans, British, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Australians, Taiwanese, Japanese, Jordanian.. name it!
except for Indonesians and Malaysians.. I find them to be rare species here.. heheheh :D

It's not easy to distinguish the Indonesians among the Filipinos unless they talk and you know Bahasa Indonesia. Besides, most Indonesian women don't wear the Moslem veil, so in Manila, it's harder to differentiate. I met some of them in malls, supermarket, Greeenbelt area because some of them study at AIM. I know that they are Indonesians because I heard them talking the Bahasa Indonesia.

You can also meet them if you know the Indonesian restaurants here. They usually talk calmly among themselves unlike the overly expressive Pinoys during "chit chat". :) There is a Martabak Cafe at Mall of Asia, they sell that martabak delicacy and I saw some of them, a family of 4 Indonesians.

^^ Would love to meet one in the future. I guess they're just as good as Filipinos when it comes to blending in. :)

hoy, wag naman ganyan, baka mainsulto sila,lol

Nothing is wrong with his comment. It's true. If you also go to Indonesia, you can be mistaken as one them unless you tell them you are a Filipino for obvious reason that you would speak to them in English :) . Exceptions would be if you are a Caucasian or half Filipino or mestizo/mestiza. If you're a Chinese Filipino, you can also be mistaken as Indonesian because there are millions of Chinese Indonesians, too.

^^ not sure, but i have around 10 indonesian friends in the country and most of them can speak Filipino fluently you may actually think they're Pinoys too :lol:
i find indonesian and pinoy have the same way of pronounce (though we speak different languange)
i know it after heard christian bautista sang in bahasa. his pronouncation is almost perfect :lol:

^^ Would love to meet one in the future. I guess they're just as good as Filipinos when it comes to blending in. :)

I assure you, big YES. They can be fiercely loyal friends, too. I have two Indonesian friends who are visiting Manila in two weeks. Actually, 4 but I don't know their two other friends. :)

Our first order of the day: visit Resorts World Manila and that's their request (not from me). I don't know if RWM is advertised in Indonesia. They are not SSC members.

^^ i love making friends with different nationalities. :)
here at my work, everyday is a delight. It feels like all nations have a representative here. :D



I hope they'll have an awesome time there!

Thai king leaves hospital for birthday speech




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Some part of The King and glorious of Bangkok multimedia on Grand palace wall
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^^ happy birthday thai king :D

malaysia, thailand, and brunei have such a big royal families

not so long ago, there're many sultanates, kingdoms in indonesia. beside sultanate of Yogyakarta and Surakarta since independence, most of them now are now just a culturary simbolical. some of locals still admire the king even those kings have lost their palaces, but most don't really care

Some good news from Malaysia:

Foreign direct investments continue to go up with defense-related companies announcing their plans to set up offices in Kuala Lumpur in conjunction with LIMA 2011. Amongst them are BAE Systems, Dassault Systemes, AgustaWestland, Eurocopter Group and SAAB Technologies.

Boeing already have their regional headquarters in KL, being at the Petronas Twin Towers.


FDI Inflow News for Nov 2011
>>> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=86345572&postcount=2733
FDI Inflow News for Oct 2011
>>> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=85307427&postcount=2681
FDI Inflow News for Sep 2011
>>> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=84399466&postcount=2586





Malaysia Airlines plans ASEAN regional premium airline by 2012
The Malaysian Insider | Bloomberg | Reuters | Business Times | The Edge Malaysia | Dec 7, 2012

PETALING JAYA, Dec 7 — Malaysia Airlines (MAS) confirmed today it will launch a new regional premium airline by mid-2012 as part of its turnaround plan to ensure the ailing flag carrier’s long-term sustainability.

Newly-appointed MAS group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the airline will connect Asean destinations and key cities in South Asia, as well as greater China, using a fleet of Boeing 737-800. The airline, he added, would also serve as a point-to-point commuter for regional and domestic travel, as well as a feeder service for MAS’s long-haul airline.

Earlier last month, AirAsia chief Tan Sri Tony Fernandes announced that the low-cost carrier would set up a new premium regional airline that would compete head-on with Qantas’ upcoming Red full-service carrier.

A report in The Sun newspaper said Fernandes’ new full-service-carrier would likely be called Caterham Jet and had yet to be granted an operating licence by the Malaysian government although it had secured Bombardier CRJ aircraft.

Read More:
>>> http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/mas-to-launch-new-premium-airline-next-year/
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207192800/Article/index_html




Malaysia's Weststar and AgustaWestland in helicopter deal, eyes Vietnam, Indonesia and Myanmar
Business Times | Dec 7, 2012

Weststar Aviation Services, the largest offshore helicopter services provider in Southeast Asia, is eyeing more regional oil and gas (O&G) contracts with its latest purchase of 10 new helicopters worth RM470 million (US$150 million) from AgustaWestland.

"Most of the helicopters operating in this industry in the region come from Europe and the United States. "So, what we'll do now is go to Vietnam, Indonesia and Myanmar and start to win contracts there," he told reporters after signing the purchase agreement with the Italy-based helicopter company in Langkawi today. It was held on the sidelines of the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace 2011 (LIMA '11) exhibiton.

Read More >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207150142/Article/index_html




Malaysia's Toyo Ink gets nod for Vietnamese thermo power plant
Business Times | Dec 7, 2012

Toyo Ink Group Bhd received approval from the Vietnamese government to research and develop the Song Hau 2 thermo power plant project in the province of Hau Giang, the Malaysian company said in a statement to the stock exchange.

Toyo Ink will negotiate with a few unnamed parties to set up a joint venture to start the investment project which will cost an estimated US$2.5 billion, it said. -- Bloomberg

Source >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207151400/Article/index_html




Airbus-parts maker CTRM Aero, Indonesia-based NSB inks marine vessel deal
Business Times | Dec 7, 2012

Malaysia-based CTRM Aero Composites Sdn Bhd got the thumbs up today as an internationally recognised expert in composites research and technology by Indonesia-based North Sea Boats (NSB). Their track record landed them in a synergy with NSB to develop, produce, market, sell and service advanced technology composites marine vessels.

In a statement here, NSB managing director John Ivar Allan Lundin said the
vessels would be for the defence and security market in the Asean region in
particular as well as the international market.

Read More >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207211908/Article/index_html




Bank Islam Malaysia to expand in Indonesia and Bangladesh
Business Times | Dec 7, 2012

Bank Islam Malaysia Bhd is eyeing opportunities for expansion in Indonesia and Bangladesh, which have sizeable Muslim populations and adequate Islamic banking regulatory policy and supporting infrastructure in place to facilitate Shariah-based financing and banking operations.

Managing Director Datuk Seri Zukri Samat said that as mergers and
acquisitions are on Bank Islam’s agenda for inorganic growth and corporate
expansion, the bank is on the lookout for suitable candidates but has not
initiated any discussions on mergers or acquisitions.

Read More >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207160417/Article/index_html






Malaysian companies going abroad in a big way:


Asia's largest private hospital operator, Integrated Healthcare buys stake in Turkey hospital operator
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207135212/Article/index_html

Pasdec buys 30.8% stake in Johnson Controls Inc’s CRH Africa
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207133235/Article/index_html

Petronas invested US$5.6b in Turkmenistan, plans to double production
http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111207133104/Article/index_html

Malaysia's S P Setia still has chance to develop £5.5 billion London's Battersea Power Station-report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/01/battersea-idUSL5E7N101U20111201

I like how Thais use gold in their architecture.

^^ i love making friends with different nationalities. :)
here at my work, everyday is a delight. It feels like all nations have a representative here. :D



I hope they'll have an awesome time there!
live as an expat is one of my target in future. but not in 1-3 years, because i have to finish my study first :D
and it seems canada is the best place for expats (number 2 is dubai). since there're many there

^^ I strongly recommend Canada. :D

Dubai, not so much IMO.. you'd be considered as a second class citizen only...

AirAsia offers 10 sen fare around ASEAN in conjunction with 10th Anniversary

Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!

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i forgot to greet..


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MR.THAI KING :D

^^ I strongly recommend Canada. :D

Dubai, not so much IMO.. you'd be considered as a second class citizen only...


^^
yeah. indeed
as far as i seen, living in dubai like we're not mingle with the community around. but it seems you can make a lot of money there :lol:

bytheway, my favorite stand up comedian is a indian canadian, Rusell Peters
i dont know him until a forumer posted this in our forum.

take a look :D
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^^ I know him. He's very popular here. :D

He's very funny, i like his humour.


(You can make more money else where. Dubai's career advancement are based on race, I heard... It's a very discriminating place)

yeah he's good. one of my favorite standup comedians together with jeff dunham. i wasn't able to watch his show in manila, i think that was two years ago :(

^^ it'd be great if i can watch his comedy in live :D

@crossboneka

did he really go to Manila????? wow..
There was a video of him in youtube imitating Filipino's hard core accent. haha (it was really funny)

yes he did come here. me and my friends planned to watch him in his show here but for some reason it didn't push through.

0.10 Malaysian Ringgit to Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Hanoi, Bali, Phuket, Penang, Kuching, Kota Kinabalu :banana:

Millions of people are jamming up the website again.... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

AirAsia announced it will be moving to Terminal 3 Jakarta. Its affiliate AirAsia X is currently offering 199 Malaysian Ringgit to Osaka for travels now until Mar 2012.

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AirAsia now flies to 78 destinations in 142 routes with over 400 daily flights. It currently operates 97 short-haul Airbuses and 11 long-haul Airbuses.



AirAsia offers 10 sen fare around ASEAN in conjunction with 10th Anniversary

Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.airasia.com/nl/images/2011/awe-en.jpg

0.10 Malaysian Ringgit to Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Hanoi, Bali, Phuket, Penang, Kuching, Kota Kinabalu :banana:

Millions of people are jamming up the website again.... :ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

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air asia is going crazy! :okay:
my friend once get palembang-KL flight cost only 35000 rupiah (around 3 US dollars)

^^ it'd be great if i can watch his comedy in live :D

i think i've watched all his comedy acts posted on youtube. but yeah watching him live especially with a big crowd is totally a different experience.

i think i've watched all his comedy acts posted on youtube. but yeah watching him live especially with a big crowd is totally a different experience.
same here :lol:
i often check his site, wondering if he have a tour to jakarta

maybe he's waiting for you guys over there to invite him

Children's tablets to come in 4 grades; Apple will bid

Published: 7/12/2011 at 12:00 AM

A major promise of the Yingluck Shinawatra administration _ one tablet per child _ is moving forward with the establishment by the Education Ministry of a product specification committee to outline guidelines for bidders, with bidding expected next June.

The 1.2-billion-baht project will entail four grades of tablets ranging from 2,500 to 20,000 baht to match individual schools' demand and budgets, Chinnapat Bhumirat, secretary-general of the Office of the Basic Education Commission (Obec) under the ministry, said recently.

He said Obec had invited representatives from the Education, ICT and Science and Technology ministries as committee members.

The committee will define minimum product specifications for the four grades, valued at 20,000 baht, 7,000 baht, 4,000 baht and 2,500 baht.

"We've set an average price of 3,100 baht per tablet, but a financing scheme will be available for schools wanting higher-quality devices for their students. Schools under Obec will be allowed to choose which product suits their financial capabilities," said Dr Chinnapat.

The 1.2-billion-baht budget will provide tablets to 500,000 Prathom 1 students out of 800,000 under Obec.

Dr Chinnapat said public hearings are expected next month with bidding expected in June.

Apple Inc, the world's No.1 tablet maker, has confirmed it will next week submit its proposal featuring content specifically aimed at secondary school students.

In the first round of discussions last month, Apple said it could offer comprehensive educational content, including training apps and data backup.

Dr Chinnapat said the company's App Store could serve as an application source for students.

"Apple has to prove the efficiency of its content, as we'll need to show a proven record in order to seek budget approval for fiscal 2013 if we want to equip these secondary school students with Apple devices," he said.

Lenovo, the China-based computer maker, has agreed to provide 600 tablets for free preliminary testing.

The devices will be distributed to five pilot schools _ Rachawinit School and Srinakharinwirot University's Prasarnmit Demonstration School, both in Bangkok; Anuban Lampang School in Lampang; Anuban Phangnga School in Phangnga; and Sanambin School in Khon Kaen _ this month.

The one-year pilot project gauges the impact of tablets on children and evaluate the devices' effectiveness, with Obec and Srinakharinwirot University in charge of the assessment.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/telecom/269596/children-tablets-to-come-in-4-grades-apple-will-bid

I wanna be a kid again.:bash:

^^ haha wow! that is affordable; i just wonder what will be included in that price package considering apple material is expensive.
Lenovo might come up with a better offer IMO.

i will never go back to school! but lucky kids if apple wins the bid. for sure downloading apps/games will be blocked.

for sure!! but kids nowadays are smart enough to configure it out.. :lol:

I wanna be a kid again.:bash:

Arhhl.. me too!! This is similar to one of a Malaysian states policy suggestions for each schoolchildren to get an iPad or Galaxy Tab.

They say this move can add 1-2% to the GDP and another 10% to corruption,.. hahaha :lol: but overall its a dumb policy. :ohno: :ohno:

for sure!! but kids nowadays are smart enough to configure it out.. :lol:

^^ true! and cheating can be very easy with a tablet :lol:

Philippines has similar program.. only, Apple is not involved, instead it will be developed and sourced locally.

PHILIPPINE PROVINCE TESTS TABLET DEVICES IN CLASSROOMS (http://www.futuregov.asia/articles/2011/may/27/philippine-province-tests-tablet-devices-classroom/)
....
In the demo of the prototype device to teachers during the writeshop-workshop, Val Carandang of Ionics EMS Inc. (http://www.ionics-ems.com/)., the company tapped to develop and manufacture the tablets, explained that the tablet will be available in two sizes — the 7-inch and 10-inch devices. Each classroom will have its own mini server and the teacher will be able to upload and download new content in the servers for students to download. They can also upload lectures, PowerPoint presentations, videos and even exams on the device.

The long-term vision is that every public school kid in the province to have one but since a gradual roll out is the practical route, Nocon said it would probably be pilot-tested in the first 1,000 students hopefully this school year.

^^ if you think about it it would cost less for the government to provide these kids each with one tablet than give them a set of books. when i was in grade school i had at least10 books to carry with me everyday :nuts: that's why i hate school :lol:

^^ True! electronics are a lot cheaper nowadays.

it will be the end for the printing industry. i worked for a publishing company before. they will not like this idea.

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ASEAN Para games 2011 - Solo, Central Java

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AirAsia announced it will be moving to Terminal 3 Jakarta.



what do you mean? do you mean that the previous announcement that AirAsia considers to move its operation to Jakarta is true?

It's not easy to distinguish the Indonesians among the Filipinos unless they talk and you know Bahasa Indonesia. Besides, most Indonesian women don't wear the Moslem veil, so in Manila, it's harder to differentiate. I met some of them in malls, supermarket, Greeenbelt area because some of them study at AIM. I know that they are Indonesians because I heard them talking the Bahasa Indonesia.

You can also meet them if you know the Indonesian restaurants here. They usually talk calmly among themselves unlike the overly expressive Pinoys during "chit chat". :) There is a Martabak Cafe at Mall of Asia, they sell that martabak delicacy and I saw some of them, a family of 4 Indonesians.

My friends and I went to a famous ski resort in Europe (just passing by since the lodges are very expensive to our standard)...and we met the only Asian couple there...they saw us and naturally approached us...they smiled and asked us: "Filipinos?"..... :)

Arhhl.. me too!! This is similar to one of a Malaysian states policy suggestions for each schoolchildren to get an iPad or Galaxy Tab.

They say this move can add 1-2% to the GDP and another 10% to corruption,.. hahaha :lol: but overall its a dumb policy. :ohno: :ohno:

I read a news on how IT CEOs in Silicon Valley prefer their kids to go to a school which has no computers...

what do you mean? do you mean that the previous announcement that AirAsia considers to move its operation to Jakarta is true?

my friend.. airport parking...

AirAsia has opened its newly-set-up "Asean rep" office in Jakarta though but KL will remain the hq for the Malaysian entity because the parent company is listed here. Essentially, not moving, but expanding.

Many Indonesian large companies do the same in Singapore.

^^ Are there lots of Indonesians working in Manila? I've never met one in my life yet...

Here in Canada, I've met almost all nationalities of the world...
Germans, British, Cambodians, Vietnamese, Australians, Taiwanese, Japanese, Jordanian.. name it!
except for Indonesians and Malaysians.. I find them to be rare species here.. heheheh :D

i find indonesian and pinoy have the same way of pronounce (though we speak different languange)
i know it after heard christian bautista sang in bahasa. his pronouncation is almost perfect :lol:

I have met an Indonesian here in Bicol. He is an officer of Muslim Aid based in Yogyakarta. He contacted our local Muslim organization to help those affected by Typhoon Reming in Albay and Camarines Sur. He is very surprised when I have spoken few Bahasa words to him :D

I have met Indonesians as well here in our province when they have study tour about good governance in the city of Naga and the province of Camarines Sur. One of them is from Makassar, Sulawesi Selatan :okay:

Here in Bicol, I have met other nationalities such as Iraqi, Iranian, Palestinian, Turkish, Malaysian and Maltese. All of them are Muslims :cheers:

ASEAN ROARS! but becareful not to rely too much on FDI...


Predicted FDI pledges for ASEAN (self-estimate):
Singapore: US$18-35b
Indonesia: US$13-14b
Thailand: US$11-13b
Vietnam: US$10-12b
Malaysia: US$10-12b




Foreign investment pledges jump 77% in Thailand to US$11.5b
Reuters | The Nation | TheStar Dec 8, 2011

BANGKOK: Foreign investment pledges in Thailand jumped 77% in value in the first 11 months of 2011 from a year earlier, reflecting investor confidence in the country despite recent flooding, the Board of Investment (BOI) said.

The value of investment pledges rose to 354.5 billion baht (US$11.5bil) and Japan remained the biggest source with 168 billion baht, up 90% from a year before, the agency said in a statement.

Read More >>> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/8/business/10053794&sec=business




Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia climbs up FDI ladder
Business Times | Dec 8, 2011

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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia is among the world’s top 10 most attractive destinations for foreign direct investment (FDI), according to global management consultant A.T. Kearney

A.T. Kearney noted that Malaysia had experienced a significant jump up the index to 10th from 21st position, thanks to inflows which soared 537 per cent to US$9.18 billion (RM28 billion) in 2010 from 2009.

Singapore, as a global financial centre and a regional hub for many multinationals, has benefited considerably from increasing investments in Southeast Asia. It moved to 7th in the index from 24th place in 2010.

Indonesia also made significant gains, moving from 20th to 9th place.

Two other Southeast Asian countries in the top 25 are Vietnam (14th) and Thailand (16th).

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Singapore, Malaysia among most vulnerable to euro crisis, says Nomura :ohno: :ohno:
UPDATED @ 06:37:32 PM 07-12-2011
The Malaysian Insider | By Lee Wei Lian | December 07, 2011

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia will be hit harder than its Asian peers by the economic crisis in Europe due to its relatively weak public finances and dependence on commodities, said Nomura International today.

Malaysia ranked third in Asia ex-Japan in terms of exposure to European bank claims, after Hong Kong and Singapore, which could mean a drying up of liquidity should European banks start to cut their exposure to the region.

Figures provided showed that European bank exposure to Malaysia amounted to US$50 billion (RM155 billion), or about 19 per cent of GDP, double that of the Asia ex-Japan average of nine per cent.

Read More >>> http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/malaysia-among-most-vulnerable-to-euro-crisis-says-nomura/

my friend.. airport parking...

AirAsia has opened its newly-set-up "Asean rep" office in Jakarta though but KL will remain the hq for the Malaysian entity because the parent company is listed here. Essentially, not moving, but expanding.

Many Indonesian large companies do the same in Singapore.

so the largest AirAsia fleets will be based in Jakarta? Sorry I haven't read that news...

If that's true, why? Is it only for temporary? I mean Malaysia is building a new terminal for low cost carriers, right?

^^
Air Asia usually depart from T2 for international flights.. Now they are moving to T3 so all of Air Asia flights - domestic and international - will depart from the same terminal, not separated like before...

so the largest AirAsia fleets will be based in Jakarta? Sorry I haven't read that news...

If that's true, why? Is it only for temporary? I mean Malaysia is building a new terminal for low cost carriers, right?


Your answer:

^^
Air Asia usually depart from T2 for international flights.. Now they are moving to T3 so all of Air Asia flights - domestic and international - will depart from the same terminal, not separated like before...


Just to add:
This discussion is about AirAsia routes to Jakarta and the operations of AirAsia Indonesia from Jakarta only.

Being one of Indonesia's national carrier, AirAsia Indonesia currently operates about 20 planes in its fleet and is deemed separate from other AirAsia entities.

a really good article (in my opinion) on how Indonesian people are open minded and liberal (in a good sense) from a Malaysian perspective (we can also see some of nice picts in the link below).... as someone who spent some times growing up in Bandung, I agree with much of the writer's opinion on Bandung...


In Bandung, life is a bit more liberal
By Jonathan Fun

December 06, 2011


Besides being a popular weekend destination for the residents of Jakarta, international tourists and a top shopping destination for cheap textiles and fashion products, Bandung happens to be a cultural melting pot that allows a fusion of western and Islamic culture. One such place that you could clearly see this unfold in front of your eyes is a street known as Jalan Dago. Every Saturday morning, teenagers and hip youngsters hang out at this street to express themselves.

Crowded with modified cars with beefed-up sound systems, one gets to hear loud music ranging from Pop, Hip-Hop to Reggae genres while getting spoilt for choices on which group of performances by these youngsters to watch. There are also some nice, cozy cafes and chic restaurants along the street where you can sit in and watch these performances. Some of the stuff you could witness along this street include:

Football juggling performances.
Local bands jamming sessions.
Charlie Chaplin-like performances.
Undergraduate activists protesting against the government
And Capoeira dances.

However, nothing interests and surprises me more than another group of youngsters, who used Jalan Dago as their weekly meeting point for, well, another kind of activity never seen in Malaysian Muslim societies — A gathering of pet lovers.

Initially, it did not strike me that the group were non-Muslims as throughout my upbringing in Malaysia, it appears that the Muslims were discouraged to rear dogs. Hence, it is difficult to see anything similar to this in Malaysia.
To my surprise, however, some of them were in their tudungs (veil) and were walking their pets around happily, without the fear of being reprimanded or questioned by the local religious authorities. At that point, I was dumbfounded and it was indeed a mind-boggling experience.

What is more interesting is when I saw a Muslim girl getting excited with a Golden Retriever and proceeded to pat that gorgeous creature, openly in the public, with her bare hands, and without wearing any glove to separate her skin from the golden coat of the dog.

complete story is here
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/features/article/in-bandung-life-is-a-bit-more-liberal/

a really good article (in my opinion) on how Indonesian people are open minded and liberal (in a good sense) from a Malaysian perspective (we can also see some of nice picts in the link below).... as someone who spent some times growing up in Bandung, I agree with much of the writer's opinion...

Depends on region. The lifestyle say , in Aceh is much closer & can be easily adapted by majority of Malaysian Muslims ( including myself :P ) . Haven't been to Aceh but that\s what I heard from news and by many.

I found that Indonesia ( Java ) is more "liberal" than Malaysia as a whole- it's nothing good or bad.

As for me, I feel more like home when I was in Oman, Yemen etc than when I was in Indonesia, despite the proximity

Finally, I disagree with that writer's note in the end of his blog , that the more "liberal" we get, the more united we become. I don't want to elaborate further, but its just my opinion. And a Muslim supposed to be a "fundamentalists" - following the fundemantals of his/her faith .

Wind or No Wind Jam 2011 [Camarines Sur, Philippines]
by Cam Sur (http://www.facebook.com/camsur)

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Depends on region. The lifestyle say , in Aceh is much closer & can be easily adapted by majority of Malaysian Muslims ( including myself :P ) . Haven't been to Aceh but that\s what I heard from news and by many.

I found that Indonesia ( Java ) is more "liberal" than Malaysia as a whole- it's nothing good or bad.

As for me, I feel more like home when I was in Oman, Yemen etc than when I was in Indonesia, despite the proximity

Finally, I disagree with that writer's note in the end of his blog , that the more "liberal" we get, the more united we become. I don't want to elaborate further, but its just my opinion. And a Muslim supposed to be a "fundamentalists" - following the fundemantals of his/her faith .

you're right, it depends on the region, though Aceh is the only region in Indonesia which implements sharia law...

when you feel at home in those countries, does it mean that Malaysia is more and more like middle eastern countries?... (nothing wrong with it, it actually can be interesting having a middle eastern like country in ASEAN, and it will strengthen Malaysia's position as Truly Asia since it consists of Malays, Chinese, Indians with middle eastern culture)... :)

I actually don't really care about the writer's Indonesia-Malaysia comparison... I care more on his description on Bandung and people dynamic activities there, which remind me of my happy years living there as teenagers...

you're right, it depends on the region, though Aceh is the only region in Indonesia which implements sharia law...

when you feel at home in those countries, does it mean that Malaysia is more and more like middle eastern countries?... (nothing wrong with it, it actually can be interesting having a middle eastern like country in ASEAN, and it will strengthen Malaysia's position as Truly Asia since it consists of Malays, Chinese, Indians with middle eastern culture)... :)

I actually don't really care about the writer's Indonesia-Malaysia comparison... I care more on his description on Bandung and people dynamic activities there, which remind me of my happy years living there as teenagers...

Middle East is a vast region, of course Malaysia is not close to Saudi Arabia standard but it's more into what I saw in Oman, Yemen and the UAE.

Of course Oman, UAE are more conservative than Malaysia, but still I feel like home during my stay there- the people are very decent like majority of Malays. I somewhat like it this way :) Also, many Malays are obsessed about anything Arab -I am such great example :P

I also found that majority of Muslims in Thailand and in Philippines ( met in Palawan ) are quite conservative as in Malaysia.

Also, many Malays are obsessed about anything Arab

this, I didn't know it before :)

a really good article (in my opinion) on how Indonesian people are open minded and liberal (in a good sense) from a Malaysian perspective (we can also see some of nice picts in the link below).... as someone who spent some times growing up in Bandung, I agree with much of the writer's opinion on Bandung...

is it forbidden having pets in malaysia??

I also found that majority of Muslims in Thailand and in Philippines ( met in Palawan ) are quite conservative as in Malaysia.
Agree but there are also not so conservative Filipino Moslems especially those who reside in the capital and major cities like Cebu.




I found that Indonesia ( Java ) is more "liberal" than Malaysia as a whole- it's nothing good or bad.

As for me, I feel more like home when I was in Oman, Yemen etc than when I was in Indonesia, despite the proximity.



Really, you are more at home in Middle East than in Indonesia? I hope it has nothing to do with the negative comments that come from Indonesians and their press.

Honestly, I feel comfortable in KL and Jakarta but with the liberal views of Indonesian Moslems, I feel at home in Jakarta. Their entertainment side is patronized not only by expats or foreigners but also by Indonesians.

I have been to clubs, bars and cafes in Jakarta and KL. I found more locals in Jakarta visiting the entertainment spots and they stay until the wee hours than in KL. They really know how to party! The same scenes in Jakarta are so similar in Manila although to a bigger and wider areas here.

This is not to incite negative comments from our Malaysian friends but I emphasized a point.

^^ If that's the case xxxriainxxx, what will happen to your cats?