I asked Uncle Sam and here's the answer:



Oil production, bbl/day
51 Timor-Leste
87,500
2010 est.

Oil: Proved Reserves (bbl)
48 Timor-Leste
553,800,000
1 January 2011 est.

Natural gas - proved reserves:
200 billion cu m (1 January 2006 est.)

Agriculture - products:

coffee, rice, corn, cassava, sweet potatoes, soybeans, cabbage, mangoes, bananas, vanilla

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tt.html

if we knew they have this oil reserve, we would have exploited it already... the fact is that Indonesia only pour money to ET and didn't take any natural resource....please provide us with information when and how much Indonesia took ET oil... please, I'm waiting...

I'm actually glad that they're free now since they became a pain in the ass, especially when I compare them to West Timor... West Timor received peanuts while we built ET infrastructure... though I don't agree with TNI behavior in destroying ET infrastructure, I can understand it since I know so well how much money Indonesian gov't spent in that region...perhaps TNI thought if you don't want to become part of us, don't use our built infrastructure....

Before EU was formed, they also had so many differences and some of them were bolder or bigger than the ASEAN member states.

Diplomacy, tactfulness, negotiations, flexibility and most of all friendship brought them as one - EU.
ASEAN can do it, too, moreso that we are Asians. We know that Asians value interpersonal relationships, more sensitive, sympathetic and emphatic as well.

Hmmm... EU would not be EU today if they did weren't forceful then with integrating countries- The idea of a Pan-European community started right after the last world war dating back to pre-1945. 5 years after WW2 ended- that was when the Treaty of Paris created the Coal and Steel Community (which lifted some sanctions on Germany), 6 years after the Treaty of Rome created the Economic Community (which I think ASEAN is currently at this stage).Fast forward to 1992 when the Maastricht Treaty created what we call the European Union now.

As for diplomacy, of course, every thing goes through diplomatic means - but if you have been reading or watching the news recently with relation to the debt crisis- I think pretty much you know what France and Germany did which left UK isolated.

As a solid economic bloc that can leverage itself against other major global players, ASEAN is not any of that - sadly we have countries who are willing to sell out for short term benefits than long term stability. EU can leverage itself- heck it can even impose sanctions! ASEAN? Fat, friggin chance.

However if you read through page 23 - number 6 - it details the massive casualties inflicted by Indonesian forces on the Timorese where about 100,000-200,000 Timorese were killed due to, quoting the ICJ- "indiscriminate Indonesian bombings, to famine and to disease". Also you may want to note that on that report - it minced no words in mentioning Indonesia's "genocidal policy against the East Timorese people with total and systemic disregard of the most elementary human rights."

Thanks for the links tho, the only link that worked was the one from ICJ which is basically Portugal erroneously blaming Australia because Australia did not do anything to stop the genocide in Timor.

Riain, what do you want? do you want us to believe your perspective and refuse the facts that your innocent Aussie stab us in the back in many ways? Do you want us to refuse the facts that your beloved Aussie is the one who very passionate about oil reserves in the Timor sea???

And about human rights, do you really think that Indonesia is that cruel? Do you really want to know who was sending money, and weapons to Indonesia in assisting Indonesia on that annexation??? :nuts:

if we knew they have this oil reserve, we would have exploited it already... the fact is that Indonesia only pour money to ET and didn't take any natural resource....please provide me with information when and how much Indonesia took ET oil... please, I'm waiting... (getting impatience, I'm)...

I'm actually glad that they're free now since they became a pain in the ass, especially when I compare them to West Timor... West Timor received peanuts while we built ET infrastructure... though I don't agree with TNI behavior in destroying ET infrastructure, I can understand it still I know so well how much money Indonesian gov't spent in that region...perhaps TNI thought if you don't want to become part of us, don't use our built infrastructure....

First I posted the natural resources as a response to Erran's message answer to my post, this is what he said -

TL never really attracted to Indonesia IMO, that area was/is not "rich" (both Natural and Human resources).

Whether, Indonesia siphoned off its natural resources isn't relevant to the earlier statements.

Secondly, if Timor Leste isn't that important then why invade it? I don't get the logic behind that.

Thirdly, please tell me that the genocide in Timor Leste from the invasion through the occupation and at during the referendum for independence did not happen because no matter where I look, the staggering numbers of deaths from massacres, rapes, bombings are all there.

I am getting impatient too- this is similar to our problems with Japan who would never publicly acknowledge the atrocities they committed in the Philippines during the last war.

The Timorese may have forgiven the Indonesian military and government, but I just cant accept that history needs to be rewritten and horrible things just consigned to the dustbin. They say, history is written by victors, I think I just expect fairness from everyone. To gloss over (worse, deny) something appalling is just very disrespectful.

You still remember the atrocities committed by the Dutch to Indonesians- now the shoe is on the other foot- should atrocities against Timorese be forgotten too? It's not right, right?

While other ASEAN nations "may" become undecisive and un-united, I hope Truly Asia (Malaysia) can be "best friend forever" with Truly Tiger (Singapore). :lol: :lol:

Truly Boring (Brunei) also included. :lol:

No, we are not forming any economic/investment cartel, or whatever you called it, just complimenting each other as friends/cultural cousins for our mutual benefits and the greater Asean.

Speaking of Singapore-

Didn't Tunku Abdul Rahman basically severed Singapore from the Federation of Malaya? With friends like these, who needs.... :lol::lol::lol:

oo sa singapore yan, heto pa
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I am still waiting on information how much Indonesia took East Timor oil... while waiting, I spend my time reading these news (mind you xxxriainxxx, those articles weren't written by Indonesians):

Australia bullies East Timor over oil and gas
By John Ward and Peter Symonds
7 February 2003

The Australian government is deliberately delaying the signing of an agreement with East Timor, known as the Timor Sea Treaty, as a means of blackmailing the small, newly independent country into conceding a greater share of off-shore oil and gas reserves to Canberra.
The treaty, which was agreed last May, was due to be ratified by both sides by the end of last year. The East Timorese parliament carried out its side of the bargain and formally approved the document in December. Australia still has not. As a result, contracts potentially worth billions of dollars are being placed in jeopardy, threatening the main source of revenue for the impoverished half-island.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/timo-f07.shtml


Australia - Peacekeeper or Petroleum Predator?
Analysis by Kalinga Seneviratne

SYDNEY, Jun 22, 2006 (IPS) - A two month old rebellion by sacked army officials and police deserters in East Timor, one of the world's newest and poorest countries, has resulted in an Australian-led "peacekeeping" force arrival in its capital Dili, and a media-supported push for ‘regime change'.

Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, a Muslim leading a predominantly Catholic country, is the leader of the Fretilin Party which fought for independence from Indonesia for over two decades, and which won a landslide victory in the first legislative elections in 2001.

In Australian media reports, which in turn influence regional and international reporting of the issue, the crisis in East Timor is painted as an internal power struggle where an "unpopular" Prime Minister is opposed by a peoples' movement. The words "oil" and "gas" are hardly mentioned in these reports, even though this is at the heart of the Australian intervention.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33714


How much oil money has Australia stolen from East Timor already?
A look at Laminaria-Corallina

Osan hira mak Australia nauk ona husi Timor-Leste?
Hare ba Laminaria-Corallina

Calculations by La’o Hamutuk, January 2011.
The Laminaria-Corallina oil field in the Timor Sea is just outside the Joint Petroleum Development Area, twice as close to East Timor as it is to Australia. It belongs to East Timor under current international legal principles (UNCLOS). Laminaria-Corallina has produced 197 million barrels of oil since starting production in late 1999, and is now about 95% depleted. Australia has made billions of dollars from this field, but East Timor has not received one cent.

http://www.laohamutuk.org/Oil/Boundary/laminaria_revenues.htm



East Timorese aren't fool, they know they can't depend on Australia, that's why they increase cooperation with China and TNI... they even bought military weapons from Indonesia....

Riain, what do you want? do you want us to believe your perspective and refuse the facts that your innocent Aussie stab us in the back in many ways? Do you want us to refuse the facts that your beloved Aussie is the one who very passionate about oil reserves in the Timor sea???

And about human rights, do you really think that Indonesia is that cruel? Do you really want to know who was sending money, and weapons to Indonesia in assisting Indonesia on that annexation??? :nuts:

What I want is for Indonesia to acknowledge the atrocities committed in Timor Leste.The invasion and the policy of silence from the western powers were due to the Cold War. While the deafening silence from the rest of the world was deplorable especially from Western countries whose leaders basically supported it- 1974- (The Philippines was under martial law then)- the campaign of repression, rape and murder weren't carried out by other troops.

I am still waiting on information how much Indonesia took East Timor oil... while waiting, I spend my time reading these news (mind you xxxriainxxx, those articles weren't written by Indonesians):

Australia bullies East Timor over oil and gas
By John Ward and Peter Symonds
7 February 2003

The Australian government is deliberately delaying the signing of an agreement with East Timor, known as the Timor Sea Treaty, as a means of blackmailing the small, newly independent country into conceding a greater share of off-shore oil and gas reserves to Canberra.
The treaty, which was agreed last May, was due to be ratified by both sides by the end of last year. The East Timorese parliament carried out its side of the bargain and formally approved the document in December. Australia still has not. As a result, contracts potentially worth billions of dollars are being placed in jeopardy, threatening the main source of revenue for the impoverished half-island.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/timo-f07.shtml


Australia - Peacekeeper or Petroleum Predator?
Analysis by Kalinga Seneviratne

SYDNEY, Jun 22, 2006 (IPS) - A two month old rebellion by sacked army officials and police deserters in East Timor, one of the world's newest and poorest countries, has resulted in an Australian-led "peacekeeping" force arrival in its capital Dili, and a media-supported push for ‘regime change'.

Prime Minister Mari Alkatiri, a Muslim leading a predominantly Catholic country, is the leader of the Fretilin Party which fought for independence from Indonesia for over two decades, and which won a landslide victory in the first legislative elections in 2001.

In Australian media reports, which in turn influence regional and international reporting of the issue, the crisis in East Timor is painted as an internal power struggle where an "unpopular" Prime Minister is opposed by a peoples' movement. The words "oil" and "gas" are hardly mentioned in these reports, even though this is at the heart of the Australian intervention.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=33714


How much oil money has Australia stolen from East Timor already?
A look at Laminaria-Corallina

Osan hira mak Australia nauk ona husi Timor-Leste?
Hare ba Laminaria-Corallina

Calculations by La’o Hamutuk, January 2011.
The Laminaria-Corallina oil field in the Timor Sea is just outside the Joint Petroleum Development Area, twice as close to East Timor as it is to Australia. It belongs to East Timor under current international legal principles (UNCLOS). Laminaria-Corallina has produced 197 million barrels of oil since starting production in late 1999, and is now about 95% depleted. Australia has made billions of dollars from this field, but East Timor has not received one cent.

http://www.laohamutuk.org/Oil/Boundary/laminaria_revenues.htm



East Timorese aren't fool, they know they can't depend on Australia, that's why they increase cooperation with China and TNI... they even bought military weapons from Indonesia....

By the way, why do I need to prove to you how much natural resources Indonesia took from Timor Leste? :nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:

Erran said there were no natural resources in Timor anyway so I posted that- :lol::lol::lol:


As for mining companies, oil companies- whether they are Australian or not- I do not have a single ounce of respect for any of them. Australian mining companies pretty much raped Nauru which is nothing but a barren wasteland now. They tried doing that in the Philippines and they had limited success. Heck, even Australians oppose big mining companies - Gillard just introduced the carbon tax to the chagrin of these companies.

Guys, I suggest we move on and leave the discussion about East Timor.

This will be my first and last post about East Timor.

It cannot be denied that Indonesia pumped significant amount of money to that province before ET became independent.

The hardships and difficulties that ET is facing right now are just natural "birth pains" for a new nation.

I sincerely hope that ET won't become a "failed state".

By the way, I have a colleague who is working right now in ET. They are into export of coffee. US Dollar and Indonesian Rupiah are accepted currencies there. :)

second this

Thirdly, please tell me that the genocide in Timor Leste from the invasion through the occupation and at during the referendum for independence did not happen because no matter where I look, the staggering numbers of deaths from massacres, rapes, bombings are all there.

Genocide? No, the real historical truth is that there was no East Timorese genocide, but most of them were killed are the rebels/ separatist, just like the MILF in the Philippines

At least 100,000 people are estimated to have died in the conflict in Mindanao, with some estimates exceeding 150,000 deaths. Two million people are estimated to have been displaced by the four decade-long conflict in the South.
http://www.ploughshares.ca/content/philippines-mindanao-1971-first-combat-deaths#Deaths

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Goodnight!


Singapore, Parang Pinas
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Genocide? No, the real historical truth is that there was no East Timorean genocide, but most of them were killed are the rebels/ separatist, just like the MILF in the Philippines


http://www.ploughshares.ca/content/philippines-mindanao-1971-first-combat-deaths#Deaths

100,000-200,000 deaths happened just during the years of the invasion. Please check ICJ link you gave me earlier.

Cheers!

What I want is for Indonesia to acknowledge the atrocities committed in Timor Leste.The invasion and the policy of silence from the western powers were due to the Cold War. While the deafening silence from the rest of the world was deplorable especially from Western countries whose leaders basically supported it- 1974- (The Philippines was under martial law then)- the campaign of repression, rape and murder weren't carried out by other troops.

xxxriainxxx, I don't understand what do you want actually?

Indonesia says it accepts blame for bloodbath in East Timor
VIOLENCE

April 18, 1999

DILI, Indonesia CNN Indonesia accepted blame on Sunday for bloody violence that killed dozens of people in East Timor, a senioraide to President B.J. Habibie said.

Its true, its our responsibility because we are the onlyones here, Dewi Fortuna Anwar told Reuters. He said Indonesia remains committed to a U.N.brokered peace process.

A dozen people were reported killed Saturday in a renewed bout of violence over whether East Timor should break away at least in part from Indonesia.

http://articles.cnn.com/1999-04-18/world/9904_18_indonesia.violence.01_1_portuguese-colony-xanana-gusmao-east-timorese?_s=PM:WORLD

Secondly, if Timor Leste isn't that important then why invade it? I don't get the logic behind that.


Hints: 1975 - Communism - US - Soviet :cheers:

because you just gave us an impression that Indonesia is a devil and Australia is an angel....

so if Indonesia is that bad, provide us information on how much and when Indonesia took East Timor oil as what Australia does...

mining companies? why only blame them? oil robbery is related to the problem of borders between ET and Australia... it's about Australian government! read those articles carefully please...

By the way, why do I need to prove to you how much natural resources Indonesia took from Timor Leste? :nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:

Erran said there were no natural resources in Timor anyway so I posted that- :lol::lol::lol:


As for mining companies, oil companies- whether they are Australian or not- I do not have a single ounce of respect for any of them. Australian mining companies pretty much raped Nauru which is nothing but a barren wasteland now. They tried doing that in the Philippines and they had limited success. Heck, even Australians oppose big mining companies - Gillard just introduced the carbon tax to the chagrin of these companies.

100,000-200,000 deaths happened just during the years of the invasion. Please check ICJ link you gave me earlier.

Cheers!

no matter what ICJ say, they were the rebels from our perspective. Problem? :smug:

and lately... Indonesia cards... Indonesia cards... in the name of Asean integration and "brotherhood" - similar blood/race, culture, religion, language, passion for football, passion to tease and insult, etc.

Sarcasm.


230 million and no one give a damn about this "brotherhood" its only the malays who keeps yelling this thing, while the indonesian is the other way around.... lol...

^^ By showing those "pics" from Singapore, I really don't know what Riain wants? Singapore poorer than the Philippines? :lol: :lol:

Anyway if you follow Malaysia-Singapore news, the bilateral relationship is undergoing a new chapter. Forget Mahathir and Kuan Yew, as both of these veterans are about to see their Makers in let's say few years from now.

In KL property fairs over this year, many Singaporean families on vacation here have dropped by to enquire about investing in Truly Asia. I strongly believe the recently signed POA between Malaysia and Singapore governments have been a very good "litmus test" for future collaborations. According to an insider, POA even mentioned about future collaborations on the High Speed Rail on former Malaysian-owned land in Singapore.

Anyway, I think Malaysia supports Indonesia's goodwill in Timor Leste, and other Big Powers should not interfere in Indonesia's internal affairs.

230 million and no one give a damn about this "brotherhood" its only the malays who keeps yelling this thing, while the indonesian is the other way around.... lol...

brotherhood? What brotherhood?? Hahaha sorry j/k :laugh:

230 million and no one give a damn about this "brotherhood" its only the malays who keeps yelling this thing, while the indonesian is the other way around.... lol...

that's why he said 'sarcasm'...:lol:

no, sorry for disagreeing with you, i believe there are many indonesians who still think malaysians are brothers/sisters... especially malays in eastern coast of sumatra and traders in pasar tanah abang jakarta and pasar baru bandung...:lol::lol:

230 million and no one give a damn about this "brotherhood" its only the malays who keeps yelling this thing, while the indonesian is the other way around.... lol...

brotherhood? What brotherhood?? Hahaha sorry j/k :laugh:

Why not put it this way... Islam preaches "brotherhood" and since both sides are Muslims, thus Muslim brotherhood.

Sorry I'm not Muslim, but Malaysian Chinese yet I can see the positive, mutual benefits coming from this nation-to-nation friendship. Do you?

^^ By showing those "pics" from Singapore, I really don't know what Riain wants? Singapore poorer than the Philippines? :lol: :lol:

Anyway if you follow Malaysia-Singapore news, the bilateral relationship is undergoing a new chapter. Forget Mahathir and Kuan Yew, as both of these veterans are about to see their Makers in let's say few years from now.

In KL property fairs over this year, many Singaporean families on vacation here have dropped by to enquire about investing in Truly Asia. I strongly believe the recently signed POA between Malaysia and Singapore governments have been a very good "litmus test" for future collaborations. According to an insider, POA even mentioned about future collaborations on the High Speed Rail on former Malaysian-owned land in Singapore.

Anyway, I think Malaysia supports Indonesia's goodwill in Timor Leste, and other Big Powers should not interfere in Indonesia's internal affairs.

if i'm not mistaken, malaysia was part of peace keeping force in ET, and it was a demand from indonesia and also to support indonesia, that it's not only western powers which was present in ET...

Why not put it this way... Islam preaches "brotherhood" and since both sides are Muslims, thus Muslim brotherhood.

Sorry I'm not Muslim, but Malaysian Chinese yet I can see the positive, mutual benefits coming from this nation-to-nation friendship. Do you?

No, I cannot see the mutual benefits :hahano:

230 million and no one give a damn about this "brotherhood" its only the malays who keeps yelling this thing, while the indonesian is the other way around.... lol...
maybe it's only you and another malaysia-haters along with stupid BENDERA

i can't deny the fact that we have much commons with malaysia

No, I cannot see the mutual benefits :hahano:

don't be so harsh, despite my criticism on malaysia which can be seen in this thread, i can see that there are mutual benefits from our relationships with malaysia... we should always search ways to improve our relationships with them... :)

i honestly can stand malaysia much more than countries which poke their noses into our relationships with east timor...

that's why he said 'sarcasm'...:lol:

no, sorry for disagreeing with you, i believe there are many indonesians who still think malaysians are brothers/sisters... especially malays in eastern coast of sumatra and traders in pasar tanah abang jakarta and pasar baru bandung...:lol::lol:


Oh them.... well no comment on them LOL....

No, I cannot see the mutual benefits :hahano:

no wonder, you're never care about this region at all
sorry. but i think you're a lil bit facist. dream about the strongest country on the world

in the end, i have nothing to do. it's all your prespectives

Oh them.... well no comment on them LOL....

no, that was a joke pak, i'm not indonesian malay, but i don't hate malaysians and there's nothing wrong if malaysians (the people) think of us as brothers/sisters and vice versa... actually not all of them hate indonesians... as far as i know, some called ultra malays who don't like indonesians...

Oh them.... well no comment on them LOL....
Y U NO say 'hate malays where ever they are' instead?
pretty racist :lol:

no, that was a joke pak, i'm not indonesian malay, but i don't hate malaysians and there's nothing wrong if malaysians (the people) think of us as brothers/sisters and vice versa... actually not all of them hate indonesians... as far as i know, some called ultra malays who don't like indonesians...


Who says anything about hate? I dont hate them, I just dont see this brotherhood spirits in Indonesian community.... lets see the next 10 years when Kaskus generation take over Indonesian Leadership, we'll see how "warm" Indonesian and Malaysian relationship is LOL....

i love to see how we, indonesians, have disagreements in this thread...it gives impression to our ASEAN brothers/sisters that each opinion of us doesn't reflect general opinions of our country...we have our own opinion, such a diversity of 230 millions strong country...:)

I find this Thai thread about Manila,it make me want to visit Manila.
Part 1
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11384018/E11384018.html

Part 2
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11389059/E11389059.html

Do u beleive that the this thread stater visit Philippines in only 1 day?
He went from Bangkok to Manila on 20 November 00.40 am
and then came back to BKK on 20 November 21.35 pm
Thais know little about Phillipines,Not many Thais(very few Thais) ever visit Manila eventhough it's not far away because they often concern about the safety in Phillipines.

I hope Filipino promote your country to Thai peoples more.
Your country is beautiful.

i love to see how we, indonesians, have disagreements in this thread...it gives impression to our ASEAN brothers/sisters that each opinion of us doesn't reflect general opinions of our country...we have our own opinion, such a diversity of 230 millions strong country...:)
+1
having opinion is a different thing with 'brotherhood' :lol:
i can be friendly to anyone, but noone and nothing (brotherhood, nationalism, religiouism, etc) can limit my sights

if somebody's mind still limited to such things, i pity him/her. he/she should learn more on freedom of speech :lol:

no wonder, you're never care about this region at all
sorry. but i think you're a lil bit facist. dream about the strongest country on the world

in the end, i have nothing to do. it's all your prespectives

Because my perspective is backed up by logic and scientific evidence, with the arguments that has a political and historical base. And I am not facist, I dont dream about the strongest country, but a full independent sovereign country :)

Lesson from the Korean War of the early 50's.
Talagang tinulungan, inaruga at hindi pinabayaan ng US at Western powers itong Korean Peninsula. Kaya kita nyo naman ang naging ekonomiya(industriyalisado) nito na masasabing economic powerhouse.
Kung inyong matatandaan sa balita dyan sa karagatan malapit sa Somalia, hindi ba't naging bida ito sa paglaban sa mga namimirata sa nasabing lugar? Isang pagpapatunay na kaya nitong makipagsagupaan na walang tulong mula sa Amerika. Kayang tumayo sa sarili nitong mga pata na walang pagtulong na mula sa Amerika.

Ganon din sa Indonesia. Iba nga lang ng sangkap kung may patungkol sa COLD WAR.
Flashback Afghanistan, Olympic Boycott 1980. Anu ba ang isyu dito???
Mujahideens o mga student rebels sabi ng western media na gamit ang mga pickup trucks.
Pero ang isyu nuon ay laban ng Capitalism versus Communism. Geopolitical equation : Indonesia as a founding member of NAM, na ngayon ay largest islamic democrazy. Saan susugal ang MOTHER AMERICA ni Juan Dela Cruz??? Syempre eh din na sa paramihan ng tao o sa numbers game!
Interpretasyon ng democracy ng Pinas at Indonesia, kanino naka-pattern?
Kung ako papipiliin, George Washington and the rest of the guys, dun ako!

Korea & Afghanistan campaign ng West particular na itong America Inc., aba'y sana may natutunan na tayo.
Kanino ba talaga ang saya' ko na tataguan?

Sana ay magsilbing basehan ito o frame ng mga policy maker kung saan ang direksyon ng tinatahak ng Pilipinas at ASEAN way. ;)

ASEAN Nation is a really huge market ika nga :)

You're statement is classic. Mahilig iblame na di tayo "tinulungan" pero sila tinulungan when in fact, when the Cold War started the Philippines was second to Japan in being a "rich country" (let us not forget that despite the Atomic bomb, Japan has industrialized in the late 1800s so it's easier for them to recover) and during those years, we even felt "superior" to our ASEAN neighbors. Their nationals used to come to the Philippines to study. Thais and Viets came to the Philippines to study agriculture so they can improve on theirs, now ironically, we import from them

Most of what happened in the Philippines are INTERNAL since Filipinos keep on voting for oligarchs and war lords. Say, the western nations gave more to the Philippines, but if it still went to the oligarchs?

I guess rather than facing the problem, we have na national attitude of trying to blame others for our economic woes.

The problem with Filipinos is we keep telling foreigners "we don't need you!" but when we're caught in something not good, we blame them "for not giving enough or not being there". A prime example is the expulsion of the US bases and now the same people are the ones accusing of Uncle Sam of not sticking to its responsibility to defend "our" border. Hey didn't we withdraw from Iraq, a violation of the Mutual Defense Treaty? How I wish that along with the expulsion of the bases, the Senatongs abrogated the MDT, too because it is so damn nationalistic.

Kaya walang nangyayari sa Pilipinas, we are expecting other countries to do the job for us. Classic, naghihintay si Juan na mahulog yung mangga mula sa puno

I find this Thai thread about Manila,it make me want to visit Manila.
Part 1
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11389059/E11389059.html
Part 2
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11384018/E11384018.html

Do u beleive that the this thread stater visit Manila in only 1 day?
He went from Bangkok to Manila on 20 November 00.40 am
and then came back to BKK on 20 November 21.35 pm
Thais know little about Phillipines,Not much Thais(very few Thais) ever visit Manila eventhough it's not far away because they often concern about the safety in Phillipines and heard some bad story about tourists.

I hope Filipino will promote your beautiful country more to Thai peoples.
Your country is beautiful.
can't read, but can see the photos.
makati is my favorite CBD in the region anyway

Because my perspective is backed up by logic and scientific evidence, with the arguments that has a political and historical base. And I am not facist, I dont dream about the strongest country, but a full independent sovereign country :)
and i'm pretty sure you're gladly sacrificing neighbors to realize it
what about friendship and unity among regional countries? it may sounds bullshit to you. but i do care of it

and i'm pretty sure you're gladly sacrificing neighbors to realize it
what about friendship and unity among regional countries? it may sounds bullshit to you. but i do care of it

Hah? What sacrificing?? To become a country that can stand on its own feet, we dont need to sacrifice anyone in the region :nuts:

Because my perspective is backed up by logic and scientific evidence, with the arguments that has a political and historical base. And I am not facist, I dont dream about the strongest country, but a full independent sovereign country :)

when immature person is running out of words than they will try to abuse and involve the ad hominem :lol:

Hah? Scarificing? What sacrificing?? To become a country that can stand on its own feet, we dont need to sacrifice anyone in the region :nuts:
sorry, 'sacrifice' might not the correct word. but forget it

yeah. stand in our own feet, let this country be ansos :lol:
what's next? quit from asean or another organizations that 'bothering' us at stand on our feet?

when immature person is running out of words than they will try to abuse and involve the ad hominem :lol:
hey, i dont see any personal attack so far :lol:
my discussion with mehome just fine. sharing point of views

nevertheless, i can see a few sarcasm words :lol:

Guys, I suggest we move on and leave the discussion about East Timor.

This will be my first and last post about East Timor.

It cannot be denied that Indonesia pumped significant amount of money to that province before ET became independent.

The hardships and difficulties that ET is facing right now are just natural "birth pains" for a new nation.

I sincerely hope that ET won't become a "failed state".

By the way, I have a colleague who is working right now in ET. They are into export of coffee. US Dollar and Indonesian Rupiah are accepted currencies there. :)

Thanks for your suggestion, I also think the same...

ET was part of Indonesia... talking about ET during that time is similar to talk about Moro and other rebellions in other countries and blame the gov't of those countries...

To put it into perspective. The politics behind these actions must also be taken into consideration. Indonesia is a potential regional hegemony in Asia. It has a fast growing economy, a very large population and a huge area. The US and AUS if I am right are just pumping up Indonesia military for it to soon become a heavy counterbalance to China adding to Japan, India, Russia and South Korea. China is flexing its muscles, it claims South China Sea just because it has the name 'CHINA' on it. The West are weary of another arms race, they've had a huge does of this centuries before and their economies are not in the mood to challenge China. It must be a way if directly or indirectly supporting a possible counterweight to a suspicious global power. And this benefits Indonesia most, but the responsibility of counter-weighing of China would be the challenge for RI. PHL will have its turn, its just that the US ' interest must come first over anything and this move is probably a part of such. This is a lesson for PNoy who's an avid US supporter, that not at all times will Uncle Same stay in our backs, good if we are like the British Commonwealth but we are not, we are the only American raised country in Asia as far as I know. Instead of blaming his officials and officials of the past administration, it would pay to focus on more pressing issues like military modernization, economic growth and infrastructure deficiency.

interesting opinion, Kenken... but why should it be the challenge of RI to counter-weight China?

First, to be honest China and RI are of different classes. RI will never be a counter balance for China, at least in the near future..
Second, we're not directly offended by China's move in South China sea..
Third, since we're not in a position to challenge or to be threatened by China, why wouldn't RI strengthen its economic and military relations with China? It's good for both countries..and we're doing that...
Fourth, we're not traditional ally of US and AUS, remember US weapons embargo and East Timor? Though we're also not their enemy...

US and AUS know very well this fact, that's why they try to make us keep neutral... can you imagine if we take side with China? Our country can be a China based to attack US allies...though it unlikely happens, I guess Indonesia and most Indonesians never love both parties so much)...
For China, though as an individual country Indonesia is no match militarily, but when it takes US side, it will be disadvantages for China...

Indonesia knows this, and keep balancing the influences from both sides for their own advantages...

I am not sure why some Filipino are dragging Indonesia but won't drag Malaysia and Brunei when it comes to cointering China

^^ I guess, it's because Indonesia is the most powerful country in SEA. :)



i saw this mini-documentary about Cambodian dance.

Their culture is FASCINATING and BEAUTIFUL!! Cambodians are very artistic!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/fast_track/9560981.stm

I am not sure why some Filipino are dragging Indonesia but won't drag Malaysia and Brunei when it comes to cointering China

i'm also wondering... aren't malaysia and brunei involved in this southeast china sea case? i mean they're directly affected, so it's more logical to make military cooperation with those countries (and with vietnam as well) than with indonesia

I am not sure why some Filipino are dragging Indonesia but won't drag Malaysia and Brunei when it comes to cointering China
perhaps, it is because recent SBY's statement about indonesia's dislike on US armybase at Darwin

come on :lol:
that's not offensing word
wanna see ad hominem's example?
like this,
"Hey fucking stupid sarcast right there! you'd better shut the fuck up!" :lol:


if it means we'll see ASEAN as a disturber. i wish we're not winning the lottery
it'd be better if we are as a bigbrother in region make ASEAN countries become much prosper

ok whatever, its your opinion :wink2:

Anyway.... Yogyakarta is the Indonesian city that has the highest level of HDI, due to its high life expectancy and literacy rate :cheers:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380001_10150444912764627_735609626_8322453_1840194537_n.jpg

i'm also wondering... aren't malaysia and brunei involved in this southeast china sea case? i mean they're directly affected, so it's more logical to make military cooperation with those countries (and with vietnam as well) than with indonesia

Exactly. That is why i do not understand the indonesia picking here. My and br are not as vocal as expected from a claimant as regards to spratly issue. So Far its only ph and vn that are trying to do something to get into multilateral talks which the big red giant doesnt want

^^ I guess, it's because Indonesia is the most powerful country in SEA. :)



i saw this mini-documentary about Cambodian dance.

Their culture is FASCINATING and BEAUTIFUL!! Cambodians are very artistic!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/fast_track/9560981.stm

no wonder they could build angkor :)

Exactly. That is why i do not understand the indonesia picking here. My and br are not as vocal as expected from a claimant as regards to spratly issue. So Far its only ph and vn that are trying to do something to get into multilateral talks which the big red giant doesnt want

perhaps because brunei is a small country so they just wait...

my, on the other hand, is as smart as always :D they're also waiting since they don't want to lose economic opportunities from both sides...perhaps, they already calculate that their territory isn't as worthy as economic opportunities offered by china... and they want to see whether ph, viet, and us can push china out of ph territory... if it happens, my territory is also secured without losing its good relationship with china...:)

perhaps because brunei is a small country so they just wait...

my, on the other hand, is as smart as always :D they're also waiting since they don't want to lose economic opportunities from both sides...perhaps, they already calculate that their territory isn't as worthy as economic opportunities offered by china... and they want to see whether ph, viet, and us can push china out of ph territory... if it happens, my territory is also secured without losing its good relationship with china...:)

sometimes a bit slicky. i admire truly asia's smartness (seriously tho) :lol:

^^ slick and slitherin' ... :lol:


ASEAN should make bigger efforts in protecting our natural environment and animals.

the Philippine tarsiers are stressed!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/fast_track/8663395.stm

Close encounters with Indonesia's orangutans
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/fast_track/8487982.stm

perhaps because brunei is a small country so they just wait...

my, on the other hand, is as smart as always :D they're also waiting since they don't want to lose economic opportunities from both sides...perhaps, they already calculate that their territory isn't as worthy as economic opportunities offered by china... and they want to see whether ph, viet, and us can push china out of ph territory... if it happens, my territory is also secured without losing its good relationship with china...:)

You have a point, br and my are not as likely to lose their maritime territory like the philippines and vietnam. Plus vn and ph has past experience of island grabbing by china. I cant blame my and br though i hope they are more vocal on pushing multilateral talks but cant blame ph and vn for their past experiences with china

From Thai Forum:)
Budget increase approved for One Tablet programme

Published: 10/12/2011 at 12:00 AM

The government has approved a request to increase the budget for the One Tablet Per Child scheme by 44% to 2.68 billion baht for a total of 600,000 units for fiscal 2012.

The increase from an earlier estimated budget of 1.18 billion baht is meant to cover a higher median price of 6,000 baht a unit from 3,100 baht estimated earlier.

The move will not only give all 600,000 Prathom 1 students nationwide a higher-quality device but also cover the cost of training courses for teachers and content development, according to Chinnapat Bhumirat, secretary-general of the Office of the Basic Education Commission (Obec).

"We decided to raise the median price to 6,000 baht so that the students can have a better-quality, more durable device. Schools can also have some units available for other students to borrow," Dr Chinnapat said.

The Obec will also seek more budget to distribute more tablets to students of other levels in this fiscal year. It is now in the process of selecting pilot schools with 10,000-20,000 students.

Dr Chinnapat said this is a transitional period for Thailand to transform from textbook to e-book learning.

The Obec has also pledged to widen tablet specifications to cover operating systems other than Android. By doing so, Windows-based tablets and Apple's iPad could join the scheme.

The specifications come in four classes based on educational levels: junior primary school, senior primary school, junior secondary school and senior secondary school.

The minimum specifications for each class are used as a guideline for participating schools in selecting bidders that matches their requirements and budgets.

"In each product class, we are confident that we will see at least three vendors offering quality devices at competitive prices. And I expect the device to be in students' hands by May," said Dr Chinnapat. "Currently, the Obec has 2,500 content apps, to be put in its data centre."

Dr Chinnapat also said that Apple Inc had proposed 1,375 units of iPad including content, apps and training for five schools to test.

The Cupertino-based Apple Inc early this week proposed a learning solution called "Victoria Australia" based on the state's successful tablet e-learning.

Apple also suggested the government prepare teachers' readiness for the advanced device to be provided.

"Teachers should improve their skills and prepare for e-learning content development as they, rather than the device itself, are the key to the success of the scheme," said a government official who attended the meeting with Apple.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/economics/270142/budget-increase-approved-for-one-tablet-programme

^^Sounds similar to Dick Gordon's plan to equip our students with e-books/ tablets.
I wonder what he is doing now?





:horse:

Speaking of Singapore-

Didn't Tunku Abdul Rahman basically severed Singapore from the Federation of Malaya? With friends like these, who needs.... :lol::lol::lol:


What's the point of posting those photos of Singapore? Our slums would be a shame compared to those few structures.

We don't know if those shanties are inhabited by Singaporeans or migrant workers but the fact is: the shanties in the Philippines are inhabited by poor Filipinos.

Miriam is first Southeast Asian to be elected ICC judge
MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines' Sen. Miriam Santiago has been elected as a judge in the International Criminal Court, the independent body that prosecutes individuals for crimes against humanity and war crimes.

Santiago said, "I am the first Filipino and Asian to be judge in ICC because it is only new, just 10 years old." The ICC is based in The Hague, Netherlands.

Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said Santiago won the seat with 79 votes, radio dzBB reported. The Coalition for the ICC confirmed the development on its Twitter account. Read more (http://www.facebook.com/notes/moveph/update-miriam-is-first-asian-to-be-elected-icc-judge/193226420769001)

i'm also wondering... aren't malaysia and brunei involved in this southeast china sea case? i mean they're directly affected, so it's more logical to make military cooperation with those countries (and with vietnam as well) than with indonesia

Exactly. That is why i do not understand the indonesia picking here. My and br are not as vocal as expected from a claimant as regards to spratly issue. So Far its only ph and vn that are trying to do something to get into multilateral talks which the big red giant doesnt want


Many months ago, Truly Asia has asked China to respect the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. China seems to be less proactive militarily for now, except for some "mouth" arrogance and press releases.

Above all, I think we played our "China Cards" well, and I think China has "respected" us more than other neighbors like Phi and Vn. But of course, we are a small nation, that does not make any threat to China, or any treat to China's uprising reputation, in any ways.



**************

Some good news...


Malaysia’s Exports Up 15.8% in October, Rise More Than Estimated
Read More >>> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-09/malaysia-s-exports-rise-more-than-estimated.html

Overseas shipments climbed 15.8 percent to a record 63.6 billion ringgit ($20 billion) from a year earlier after gaining 16.6 percent in September, according to a trade ministry statement today. The median estimate of 18 economists in a Bloomberg News survey was for a 7.3 percent gain.



Thai Oct exports up just 0.3 pct y/y as floods hit
Read More >>> http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/thailand-economy-trade-idINB7E7LC02P20111122

The Commerce Ministry expects exports to fall 13 percent in the fourth quarter from a year earlier.




Indonesia's Oct exports up 16.17%
Read More >>> http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?storyid=1093460437

Anyway.... Yogyakarta is the Indonesian city that has the highest level of HDI, due to its high life expectancy and literacy rate :cheers:


Always thought Balikpapan or Samarinda top the list.. but then HDI is following certain formula .

HDI's critierias are too simplistic - just compare a country in South Asia ( I don't want to name it ) with higher HDI than Morocco - I went to Morocco early this year and found its cities incredibly clean, infrastructure is really good , public toilets superbly clean and functioning well , there are so many middle-class shops & restaurants in Casablanca, Rabat, Marrakesh , Tangier etc , people live in solid houses and people drive very well :cheers: whereas in that South Asian country the cities are very dirty, poverty is crazy high , infrastructure is too old and too terrible , driving standard is bad, almost ALL public toilets are SUPER DIRTY with foul smell ( !! ) and it's extremely difficult to find quality shops and restaurants.

So, in what way *that South Asian country * has better Human Development than Morocco its hard to understand this :nuts:

I'd personally give a bigger weightage to Income rather than life expectancy & literacy rate . Then how about cleanliness of cities, the discipline of local population , quality of infrastructure, quality of shops/restaurants, internet penetration rate, for me all these are vital towards Human Development but not considered in HDI calculation ? :dunno:

Hints: 1975 - Communism - US - Soviet :cheers:

I know and I mentioned that earlier- but no matter what killing people isn't justified, hope that we can all agree on that.


xxxriainxxx, I don't understand what do you want actually?

Indonesia says it accepts blame for bloodbath in East Timor
VIOLENCE

April 18, 1999

DILI, Indonesia CNN Indonesia accepted blame on Sunday for bloody violence that killed dozens of people in East Timor, a senioraide to President B.J. Habibie said.

Its true, its our responsibility because we are the onlyones here, Dewi Fortuna Anwar told Reuters. He said Indonesia remains committed to a U.N.brokered peace process.

A dozen people were reported killed Saturday in a renewed bout of violence over whether East Timor should break away at least in part from Indonesia.

http://articles.cnn.com/1999-04-18/world/9904_18_indonesia.violence.01_1_portuguese-colony-xanana-gusmao-east-timorese?_s=PM:WORLD



no matter what ICJ say, they were the rebels from our perspective. Problem? :smug:


First you posted the ICJ link to justify your position and then... if it's no longer convenient you'd disregard it? :|

because you just gave us an impression that Indonesia is a devil and Australia is an angel....

so if Indonesia is that bad, provide us information on how much and when Indonesia took East Timor oil as what Australia does...

mining companies? why only blame them? oil robbery is related to the problem of borders between ET and Australia... it's about Australian government! read those articles carefully please...



I've been given the impression by you guys that the atrocities never happened in Timor. Btw what is with this whole angel/devil thing? :lol:


^^ By showing those "pics" from Singapore, I really don't know what Riain wants? Singapore poorer than the Philippines? :lol: :lol:

Anyway if you follow Malaysia-Singapore news, the bilateral relationship is undergoing a new chapter. Forget Mahathir and Kuan Yew, as both of these veterans are about to see their Makers in let's say few years from now.

...

Anyway, I think Malaysia supports Indonesia's goodwill in Timor Leste, and other Big Powers should not interfere in Indonesia's internal affairs.


I wanted to show what Singapore looks like aside from the shiny buildings. I reckon, since TAR himself kicked out Singapore from the Federation of Malaya - I find your analogy about Malaysian-Singaporean 'brotherhood' (whatever that meant) altogether hilarious. :lol:


Indonesia is by itself is unarguably a regional power now, whether other countries realise it or not. It is a major player and ultimately it will influence regional politics and economy. The bulk and heft of its fast growing economy and population, Indonesia is nothing to sneeze at. How Indonesia will handle this new position is of course still debatable at this point as it figures how to handle its overall foreign policy. It's relationship with Timor Leste now is getting better and that is for sure a welcome sign, but since you are dealing with another country, it's quite foolish to say that it's all internal affairs.

i love to see how we, indonesians, have disagreements in this thread...it gives impression to our ASEAN brothers/sisters that each opinion of us doesn't reflect general opinions of our country...we have our own opinion, such a diversity of 230 millions strong country...:)


:cheers::cheers::cheers:

if i'm not mistaken, malaysia was part of peace keeping force in ET, and it was a demand from indonesia and also to support indonesia, that it's not only western powers which was present in ET...

Philippines involvement in Timor Leste:

International Force East Timor (INTERFET), 1999
Philippine Humanitarian Support for East Timor (PhilHSMET)
UN Transitional Administration in East Timor (UNTAET), 1999
Philippine Battalion (PhilBatt)
UNTAET Force Headquarters Support Unit (FHSU)/Philippine Contingent to East Timor (PhilCET)
UNTAET Peacekeeping Force Staff
UNTAET Military Observers
UN Mission of Support in East Timor (UNMISET), 2004–05
UNMISET Force Headquarters Support Unit (FHSU)/Philippine Contingent to East Timor (PhilCET)
UNMISET Peacekeeping Force Staff
UNMISET Military Observers
UN Office in Timor-Leste (UNOTIL), 2005–06
UNOTIL Military Observers
UN Integrated Mission in Timor-Leste (UNMIT), 2006–present
UNMIT Military Observers

*At one point however, Fretilin wasn't very happy with one of the Philippine commanders after that commander commented that the Fretilin "was involved in organizing violence in East Timor following the announcement of former resistance fighter Xanana Gusmao as prime minister late July (2007)." Nevertheless, Philippine peacekeeping in Timor Leste was probably the biggest peacekeeping mission we've had then followed by Golan Heights.

We were also in Aceh:

European Union Aceh Monitoring Mission, 2005–06
AMM Peace Monitors
Henri Dunant Centre for Humanitarian Dialogue Aceh Monitoring Movement (HAMM), 2002–03
AFP Contingent to the HAMM International Monitoring Team


I find this Thai thread about Manila,it make me want to visit Manila.
Part 1
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11384018/E11384018.html

Part 2
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11389059/E11389059.html

Do u beleive that the this thread stater visit Philippines in only 1 day?
He went from Bangkok to Manila on 20 November 00.40 am
and then came back to BKK on 20 November 21.35 pm
Thais know little about Phillipines,Not many Thais(very few Thais) ever visit Manila eventhough it's not far away because they often concern about the safety in Phillipines.

I hope Filipino promote your country to Thai peoples more.
Your country is beautiful.

In general the Philippines is a safe place to visit- Thailand and the Philippines have the same concerns overall - you have problems in the south, we do too. You had bombings in Bangkok as the same in Manila, same with protests, crime etc. To tell you honestly, we aren't very good with PR and our tourism department do not know what they are doing - Philippine spends very little in tourism promotion compared with other ASEAN countries- Malaysia spends the same amount of money promoting Malaysia to HK travelers as the Philippines entire tourism budget. :lol::lol::lol::lol::nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts:

can't read, but can see the photos.
makati is my favorite CBD in the region anyway

I have yet to visit Jakarta. Shame on me. So far only Vientiane and Jakarta are the only two ASEAN capitals that I haven't been to despite the fact that I have been on all 10 member countries.


I am not sure why some Filipino are dragging Indonesia but won't drag Malaysia and Brunei when it comes to cointering China

Malaysia also has a claim on the disputed islands, and so is Brunei. But like wino said- Indonesia is ASEAN's biggest power. Plus we don't have border disputes with them. :okay:

Also Indonesia is the chair of the ASEAN now.


Anyway.... Yogyakarta is the Indonesian city that has the highest level of HDI, due to its high life expectancy and literacy rate :cheers:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380001_10150444912764627_735609626_8322453_1840194537_n.jpg


:cheers: Yogya is nice. :)

It's a university city right?

What's the point of posting those photos of Singapore? Our slums would be a shame compared to those few structures.

We don't know if those shanties are inhabited by Singaporeans or migrant workers but the fact is: the shanties in the Philippines are inhabited by poor Filipinos.

Perspective? People needs to get some. If everyone is hellbent on putting up one side of the issue then, ahem, we are perpetuating false impressions. Politeness for politeness sake? Sorry, I find that rather annoying. This is a forum and the fact that people are talking then it's a great way to learn from one another. Not just what media shoves down our throats.

i love to see how we, indonesians, have disagreements in this thread...it gives impression to our ASEAN brothers/sisters that each opinion of us doesn't reflect general opinions of our country...we have our own opinion, such a diversity of 230 millions strong country...:)

:cheers::cheers::cheers:


perhaps because brunei is a small country so they just wait...

my, on the other hand, is as smart as always :D they're also waiting since they don't want to lose economic opportunities from both sides...perhaps, they already calculate that their territory isn't as worthy as economic opportunities offered by china... and they want to see whether ph, viet, and us can push china out of ph territory... if it happens, my territory is also secured without losing its good relationship with china...:)

+1


Many months ago, Truly Asia has asked China to respect the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. China seems to be less proactive militarily for now, except for some "mouth" arrogance and press releases.

Above all, I think we played our "China Cards" well, and I think China has "respected" us more than other neighbors like Phi and Vn. But of course, we are a small nation, that does not make any threat to China, or any treat to China's uprising reputation, in any ways.





LOL. UNCLOS. That international law violated by so many claimant countries- if we follow that law only the Philippines has an over riding right and sovereignty over the Kalayaan Islands.

I'd also like to point out that Malaysia's claim on the islands are weak especially if we follow the UNCLOS; since Malaysia seems disinterested (which is good) to enter into a spitting match with the PH, CN and VN - obviously, relationship with the Middle Kingdom is more benign - a result of the weakness of the Malaysian claim and not a result of some elaborate diplomatic machinations.

As far as the West Philippine Sea is concerned- Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia's role is to make sure that freedom of navigation is respected and that cannot be ensured when the Middle Kingdom summarily appropriated the entire area through its ridiculous 9-dash line.

It is in the best interest of the countries I mentioned that the Red Giant do not control those important sea lanes as most of your exports passes through the West Philippine Sea. A virtual choke of the WPS and your economies will be severely affected especially the port city of Singapore.

LOL. UNCLOS. That international law violated by so many claimant countries- if we follow that law only the Philippines has an over riding right and sovereignty over the Kalayaan Islands.

I'd also like to point out that Malaysia's claim on the islands are weak especially if we follow the UNCLOS; since Malaysia seems disinterested (which is good) to enter into a spitting match with the PH, CN and VN - obviously, relationship with the Middle Kingdom is more benign - a result of the weakness of the Malaysian claim and not a result of some elaborate diplomatic machinations.

As far as the West Philippine Sea is concerned- Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia's role is to make sure that freedom of navigation is respected and that cannot be ensured when the Middle Kingdom summarily appropriated the entire area through its ridiculous 9-dash line.

It is in the best interest of the countries I mentioned that the Red Giant do not control those important sea lanes as most of your exports passes through the West Philippine Sea. A virtual choke of the WPS and your economies will be severely affected especially the port city of Singapore.


OK I've to agree that our role is to ensure "freedom of navigation" is respected by the Red Giant.

OK I've to agree that our role is to ensure "freedom of navigation" is respected by the Red Giant.

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

:cheers: Yogya is nice. :)

It's a university city right?

yeah, it's 'kota pelajar'. 'student city' in english
maybe it's because living costs there are extremely cheap

Imo the whole asean must speak up againt china claiming the wp sea unless if they like to see a collision of un le sam and uncle hu. A vocal asean may shake china and let her slow down in her territorial and military ambition

I find this Thai thread about Manila,it make me want to visit Manila.
Part 1
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11384018/E11384018.html

Part 2
http://www.pantip.com/cafe/blueplanet/topic/E11389059/E11389059.html

Do u beleive that the this thread stater visit Philippines in only 1 day?
He went from Bangkok to Manila on 20 November 00.40 am
and then came back to BKK on 20 November 21.35 pm
Thais know little about Phillipines,Not many Thais(very few Thais) ever visit Manila eventhough it's not far away because they often concern about the safety in Phillipines.

I hope Filipino promote your country to Thai peoples more.
Your country is beautiful.

Thanks for the link. I think it's possible that he visited only for one day. Judging from the photos, he visited Intramuros - Fort Santiago, he rode the LRT and visited Makati. The Thai tourist should have stayed for at least 2 days so he could explore the city. :)

Hint: Metro Manila and other tourist areas are generally safe. South Koreans are the top tourists who visit the county and you would see them roaming the streets. :)

How I wish I understand what he/she wrote in the blog. The wedding was nice. :)

yeah, it's 'kota pelajar'. 'student city' in english
maybe it's because living costs there are extremely cheap

People were quite nice too. I enjoyed my trip there.... Have you been? :)

@bansatorn

Do you have any links for a quick guide to BKK? I will be there in about 5 weeks after HK so I wanna check out rooftop restaurants for lunch or something like that...

People were quite nice too. I enjoyed my trip there.... Have you been? :)
yeah. i've been :D but in 2003
it's so loong ago :lol:

wanting to visit Yogya again :D

yeah. i've been :D but in 2003
it's so loong ago :lol:

wanting to visit Yogya again :D

You should- and if you do- stay at the Phoenix Hotel... One of the most beautiful hotels I'v ever stayed at.:okay:

You should- and if you do- stay at the Phoenix Hotel... One of the most beautiful hotels I'v ever stayed at.:okay:
thanks for your recommend. but if i do, maybe i'll stay at my friend's house :D

Jakarta MRT, soon!

Feasibility Study of East-West MRT Completed

BERITAJAKARTA.COM — 12/12/2011 10:08:42 PM

Japan International Corperating Agency (JICA) as also the lender in the project of Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) has completed the feasibility study of MRT for east-west corridor II. This time, the final draft has been made and predicted its result will be reported in the end of this year.

Besides, tender prequalification for MRT at South-North Corridor I of phase I (Lebak Bulus-HI Roundabout) has also been completed. Likewise with Environmental Impact Assessment (Amdal) for corridor I of phase II with extension line in HI Roundabout-Kampung Bandan has also completed.

Jakarta Governor Fauzi Bowo stated that feasibility study of east-west MRT has completed by JICA in this December. Recently, the construction program of MRT for east-west corridor II has been listed in blueprint book which is plan book of central government development.

Besides, because east-west line through three provincials, so the deepening regarding institution planning from three provincials are Jakarta Provincial, West Java Provincial and Banten Provincial. “We will do cooperation with another two provincial. Feasibility study has completed, now we will continue to deepening planning phase,” he said at Jakarta City Hall, Monday (12/12).

He had also explained the progress in construction project of MRT for east-north corridor I (Lebakbulus-HI Roundabout) on December 12, 2012. Among them is prequalification process which has completed and will be announced by contractor who is the right to follow MRT physic auction in January 2012. Thereby, in October, construction is able to be conducted. There are six packages of physical construction and three packages of consultant project will be auctioned.

He ensured that the project of construction support will be conducted in April 2012. The projects are including the widening of Jl Fatmawati, Utilization relocation, temporary terminal displacement at stadium location, displacement in several Transjakarta bus shelters and depots construction

Certainty, by the acceleration of land acquisition is expected able to accelerate the implementation of Jakarta MRT construction. Thus, the target of MRT operation for Lebak Bulus-HI Roundabout routes in 2016 can be realized.

http://www.beritajakarta.com/2008/en/newsview.aspx?idwil=0&id=21509

sorry, my email notifications only give me english news on the project :S

thanks for your recommend. but if i do, maybe i'll stay at my friend's house :D

Then stay for at least a night there. LOOOVE that hotel. :)

My photo of Phoenix Hotel Yogya:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230164_10150239246441282_530586281_9130434_8231780_n.jpg

There is this rumor I read that China proposed a military base in Timor Leste

Then stay for at least a night there. LOOOVE that hotel. :)

My photo of Phoenix Hotel Yogya:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230164_10150239246441282_530586281_9130434_8231780_n.jpg

looks like a small hotel. but yeah. it's very nice! :D

looks like a small hotel. but yeah. it's very nice! :D

Managed by Accor Hotels/M Gallery- it's a heritage hotel as well dating back to at least 100 years. :)

There is this rumor I read that China proposed a military base in Timor Leste

Not a military base but a spy base:

Timor rejected Chinese spy offer
Philip Dorling
May 10, 2011
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CHINA recently tried to establish a spy base in East Timor, according to leaked US diplomatic cables.

The Chinese proposal to build and operate a surveillance radar facility on East Timor's north coast was made in December 2007, but was viewed with suspicion by senior East Timorese officials who consulted with the US and Australia before rejecting the project.

The Chinese initiative, described as ''a strategic threat'', is revealed for the first time in US embassy cables leaked to WikiLeaks and provided exclusively to The Age.

While Chinese diplomats insisted to their American counterparts that East Timor was ''strategically unimportant'' to Beijing, the US embassy in Dili reported to Washington in February 2008 that Deputy Prime Minister Jose Guterres had called in then US ambassador Hans Klemm to advise that Chinese defence firms had approached East Timor's government with an offer to establish a radar array to monitor shipping in the strategic Wetar Strait.

Although anxious to secure assistance to crack down on illegal fishing in East Timorese waters, Mr Guterres was suspicious of the Chinese offer to build and operate the radar facility free of charge.

''The only catch was the facilities were manned by Chinese technicians,'' Mr Guterres told the US embassy. He was concerned ''the radars could be used for purposes other than those touted by the Chinese. They could instead be used to extend China's radar-based intelligence perimeter deep into South East Asia.''

The Wetar Strait separates East Timor's north-eastern coast from Indonesia's Pulua Wetar Island and is reportedly used by US Navy vessels including nuclear submarines moving between the Pacific and Indian oceans.

An Australian defence intelligence source told The Age that Australian officials were aware of the Chinese proposal, which was ''just another part of China's growing intelligence activity through Asia and beyond''.

Other leaked US embassy cables contain references to expanding Chinese intelligence activities in south-east Asia including Philippines intelligence concerns that Chinese proposals to establish new consulates in the Philippines were intended to provide cover ''to conduct SIGINT [signals intelligence] and other collection activities targeting US and Taiwanese military activities''.

US diplomats in Dili reported that President Jose Ramos-Horta, Mr Guterres and Secretary of State for Defence Julio Pinto had ''repeatedly and explicitly'' affirmed that ''Timor-Leste's strong preference is to co-operate with its democratic partners - Australia, Portugal, the US and Japan - on defence and security matters''.

Chinese defence assistance to East Timor has been confined to construction projects, modest offers of training assistance and the supply of two, 40-year-old Shanghai-class patrol boats, a procurement decision that attracted some media attention in Australia last year.

Professor Hugh White, a former deputy secretary in the Defence Department, suggested that China's supply of the vessels to East Timor was an intrusion into Australia's sphere of strategic interest.

Prime Minister Xanana Gusmao told US diplomats in October 2008 that the acquisition of the patrol boats, to be manned by East Timorese, had been initiated during the government of former prime minister Mari Alkatiri, and that ''Gusmao only went forward with it after he had been presented with clear evidence regarding the activities of fishing boats operating illegally in Timorese waters''.

Canberra has said that the purchase of the two patrol boats is a bilateral issue for East Timor and China and that their contribution to fisheries surveillance is welcome.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/timor-rejected-chinese-spy-offer-20110509-1efv1.html#ixzz1gNvuYKEV

Speaking of illegal fishing in Timorese waters- I'd be wary of Philippine fishing companies. Seriously.

Jakarta MRT, soon!

Finally....it's long overdue. Jakarta should have one, the remaining major capital in ASEAN that has no MRT/LRT.
I'm happy for Jakarta. :cheers:

I stayed in this hotel in Yogyakarta, Grand Quality Hotel (used to be Aquila Prambanan Hotel), nice one, too.

I rode the train from Yogyakarta to Jakarta, that long! hehehe

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qw92iM_HPIQ/TbeUuzZyktI/AAAAAAAAAA4/FEt-vcU1Bm8/s1600/grand-quality-hotel.jpg

Finally....it's long overdue. Jakarta should have one, the remaining major capital in ASEAN that has no MRT/LRT.
I'm happy for Jakarta. :cheers:

Oh yea, Hanoy isn't a major capital yet.No MRT/LRT here too.

Oh yea, Hanoy isn't a major capital yet.No MRT/LRT here too.

Ho Chin Minh has MRT u/c. Hanoi is next.

Not a military base but a spy base:

Wow, it's more serious than I thought. No wonder US and Aussie governments thought of setting up a military base in Darwin

I thought the spy base was different from the military base. Thank you for the reference

Wow, it's more serious than I thought. No wonder US and Aussie governments thought of setting up a military base in Darwin

I thought the spy base was different from the military base. Thank you for the reference

Technically - they proposed something like a radar station to be built for free but the major catch is it will be manned by ahem..... the Red Army. :D

Not sure about any mention about a military base- otherwise it will be a whole different ball game because pretty much it will make TL look like a Red Army satellite.

I

I have yet to visit Jakarta. Shame on me. So far only Vientiane and Jakarta are the only two ASEAN capitals that I haven't been to despite the fact that I have been on all 10 member countries.



If you visit Jakarta, don't forget to have a side trip to Bandung. There is an express train Executive class to Bandung. Comfortable ride. Bandung culinary, the cool weather, export overruns (if you're into it), would be worth a visit.

Ho Chin Minh has MRT u/c. Hanoi is next.

Nope, looking at plans here, I dont see any- looks like speculative na naman, as always- although apparently Germany will loan money to them for an MRT.

Building it first in HCMC makes sense as it is business capital.

If you visit Jakarta, don't forget to have a side trip to Bandung. There is an express train Executive class to Bandung. Comfortable ride.

Pardon my ignorance but what is it there to see in Bandung?

Pardon my ignorance but what is it there to see in Bandung?

Well, it's like our Baguio City although Baguio is colder in temperature as it drops to 8 degrees during December to January.

Bandung is like a respite from Jakarta's hot weather. It's nice to eat in a restaurant overlooking the tea plantation. They have a famous Dutch restaurant (forgot the name) and it is a "must" in Bandung. There is also a street there that sells "export overruns" of branded goods such as Nike, Adidas and the like at very low price (bargaining is a must).

Anyway, if you want a nearer place from Jakarta, then there is Puncak (pronounced as Punchak). It's a semblance of Tagaytay City! You will see corn vendors along the streets hehehe. It's nice to go to their huge botanical garden (earlier discussed in this thread), nice restaurants overlooking the huge tea plantation. It's cooler also in Puncak than in Jakarta.

Indonesia to Be Next Home of the Original Hamburger With Signing of Johnny Rockets Franchise Agreement
All-American Restaurant Chain to Open Five Restaurants in Next Five Years
ALISO VIEJO, Calif., Dec. 12, 2011 -- /PRNewswire/ -- Johnny Rockets today signed a franchising agreement to open their brand of high-energy, all-American restaurants in the country of Indonesia. New franchise owner, Wiryantii Sukamdani, who is also the President of the Indonesian Tourism Board, plans to open the first Indonesian Johnny Rockets restaurant at the new Beach Walk Center, on the beautiful beach of Kuta Bali, in the first half of 2012. The agreement also calls for four additional restaurants within the next five years.Read more (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/12/4117403/indonesia-to-be-next-home-of-the.html)

84-year-old sultan becomes Malaysia's oldest king
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Malaysia's new king, an 84-year-old state sultan, ascended the throne Tuesday, becoming the oldest constitutional monarch in the Southeast Asian nation's history.

Sultan Abdul Halim Mu'adzam Shah took his oath of office in a nationally televised ceremony attended by hundreds of dignitaries at a glittering yellow hall in Malaysia's new federal palace. Read more (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hqC7AK7xsoQM9Jiq0uaEdNZWsQiQ?docId=22927609376b4bf9b2f84abebea6c491)

Vietnam’s 2012 rice export seen steady, to ship to Malaysia
HANOI, Dec 13 — Vietnam has secured a contract to export 300,000 tonnes of rice to Malaysia in 2012, part of its plan to keep export volumes steady and retain its market share amid competition from cheaper Indian and Pakistani grain. Read more (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/business/article/vietnams-2012-rice-export-seen-steady-to-ship-to-malaysia/)

Thailand approves $645 mln for initial post-flood recovery
The Thai cabinet on Monday approved a plan to disburse 20 billion baht rapidly for initial post-flood rebuilding and to stimulate the economy, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said.Read more (http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/12/12/thailand-economy-idINDEE7BB07Y20111212)

Indophil gets Philippine backing
MELBOURNE'S Indophil Resources has strengthened its ability to keep pace with Xstrata in their planned $US5.9 billion Tampakan copper-gold joint venture in the Philippines by pulling in $97.7 million from a private placement of shares.

The placement has also served to increase Filipino involvement in the project as the new shares have gone to Alsons Group, with the financial backing of BDO Unibank. Increased Filipino participation is considered crucial in helping Tampakan secure all the required development approvals.Read more (http://www.smh.com.au/business/indophil-gets-philippine-backing-20111212-1orf9.html)

^^ I wonder why Sabah is hotly discussed here. PH government since Estrada, Ramos, GMA, Aquino have not been pushing the issue. I didn't see any news about Sabah. Although I know that PH claim is still there but it is not being raised nor asked. :)

Anyway, I'm more happy with this....

Indonesia to Be Next Home of the Original Hamburger With Signing of Johnny Rockets Franchise Agreement
All-American Restaurant Chain to Open Five Restaurants in Next Five Years
Read more (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/12/4117403/indonesia-to-be-next-home-of-the.html)


Cool. Manila has 3 Johnny Rockets restaurants: Eastwood, Tomas Morato and Robinson's Galleria.

I love the ambiance inside the restaurant. Their servers do the dancing, too.
PH Johnny Rockets oulet
http://www.johnnyrockets.com.ph/images/thestore.png

Fourth Johnny Rockets Restaurant Opens in the Philippines
http://johnnyrockets.com.ph/Upload/News/20102/1611270988_1.jpg

Home of the All-American Food and Fun Comes to Metro Manila's Newest Dining Hot Spot
JOHNNY ROCKETS LOGO Johnny Rockets logo 2011. (PRNewsFoto/Johnny Rockets) ALISO VIEJO, CA UNITED STATES

ALISO VIEJO, Calif., Dec. 14, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Franchise Owner, Camamiq Foods, Inc., today opened its newest Johnny Rockets restaurant at Burgos Circle dining complex, located in Forbes Town Center in Taguig City, Philippines in Metro Manila. Joining three other Johnny Rockets they own, in nearby Quezon City, the Company's American cuisine and atmosphere have become local favorites since opening, two years ago. By the end of January, they plan to open their fifth Johnny Rockets restaurant at Alabang Town Center, in southern Metro Manila.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fourth-johnny-rockets-restaurant-opens-in-the-philippines-135625908.html

^^Just like TGIF's dancing servers :okay:

Jakarta MRT, soon!

JKT must be the largest city in the world without rapid transit if not Mumbai.

With MRT, it is lessen the people's dependance on automobiles plus improve commuter and pedestrian activity.

Since JKT is spread out, its future metro system will function more like a commuter metro similar to SF's BART or The Gautrain in Metro Johannesburg.

JKT must be the largest city in the world without rapid transit if not Mumbai.

With MRT, it is lessen the people's dependance on automobiles plus improve commuter and pedestrian activity.

Since JKT is spread out, its future metro system will function more like a commuter metro similar to SF's BART or The Gautrain in Metro Johannesburg.

Mumbai Metro is u/c.

Andheri sport complex

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1228/20111211115921.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/37/20111211115921.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

It is good Mumbai is having rapid transit.

On the other hand, Manila still pioneered rapid transit in ASEAN, the only thing is, it was a light rail system.

:)More Singapore photos:

Goodnight!

actually these kampongs or villages are commercialised. They might be owned by small businesses (kelongs where the sea bank is owned by a group of fishermen) and serve as a getaway for some locals for weekend homestay, maybe some older generations still prefer to stay there (there's definitely some older generation people though they can afford to live in proper houses still prefer to live by the sea, they like such a carefree lifestyle and fish for food), but i think they are mainly for leisure. Pulau Ubin is actually a popular island for Singaporeans to get away from the hectic city life to experience countryside living for awhile. These villages are actually preserved traditions and I am quite happy to know such places still exist even though they are commercialised. Good to know they are not demolished and still remain for us younger gen to see :)

For homeless folks, or those earning an income of less than 2k or some amount, the government actually provides subsidised quality rental flats at less than 100 SGD a month, maybe around $30-60 a month. These rental flats are as good as normal HDB flats.

Some colorful pictures out from Kuala Lumpur today:


http://thestar.com.my/archives/editorspick/images/photo320111213132836.jpg
http://www.statesman.com/multimedia/dynamic/01236/XVT103_1236204e.jpg



Traditional sending off of the previous King yesterday...

http://www2.2space.net/images/upl_news/111212/1323682204.jpg

For more pics, visit >>> http://images.bernama.com/foto/pages/search.php?search=%21last1000&order_by=resourceid&archive=0&k=&per_page=44&sort=DESC


The arrival of the former King back to his home state...


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The new King will be the first King to sit in the New National Palace. Here's a glimpse:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6488155185_2583bd19b9_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/balkis/6488155185/
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http://upislam.com/images/19961482924084590932.jpg http://upislam.com/images/29328432035762813477.jpg
http://siasahkini.blogspot.com/2011/11/kemegahan-istana-negara-baru.html

http://upislam.com/images/05969329609007110159.jpg http://upislam.com/images/86589451424624247123.jpg

So clear ni bukan arkitek melayu but Islamic...
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/balkis/6488116169/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/balkis/6488148465/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/balkis/6488122183/

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7024/6488124119_99e6ee91bb_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/balkis/6488124119/
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7157/6488118033_5e68b366f3_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/balkis/6488118033/

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6057/6358832741_66552d3d13_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41103937@N03/6358832741/)
Istana Negara (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41103937@N03/6358832741/) by Palladion (http://www.flickr.com/people/41103937@N03/), on Flickr
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6233/6358843673_5bf2755e5e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41103937@N03/6358843673/)
Istana Negara (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41103937@N03/6358843673/) by Palladion (http://www.flickr.com/people/41103937@N03/), on Flickr

read my edited comment above... Indonesia is always a non aligned country (well it was between US and USSR, now US vs China)... I don't see that our gov't will change that neutral position... our decisiveness is that we remain neutral...:)



not as always,in reality we lean toward red states during Sukarno era (poros Jakarta-Peking-Pyongyang remember?)

and during Suharo era, He too much licked western ass till he got amnesia that our military weakened during his leadership and our economy basicly stand in the bubbles,

anyway here Indonesian student (probably from animation school) doing in his spare time..
fX2NYsn3L8w

Finally....it's long overdue. Jakarta should have one, the remaining major capital in ASEAN that has no MRT/LRT.
I'm happy for Jakarta. :cheers:

yeah. Jakarta only has Transjakarta and commuter train for overcoming public transporation problem in near future. their network is pretty wide though

TransJakarta BRT Network
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/TransJakarta_Network_2011.gif/778px-TransJakarta_Network_2011.gif

Greater Jakarta Commuter Train Network
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/KRL_Jabotabek_Route_Map_%28new%29.png/440px-KRL_Jabotabek_Route_Map_%28new%29.png

Some colorful pictures out from Kuala Lumpur today:




Traditional sending off of the previous King yesterday...

http://www2.2space.net/images/upl_news/111212/1323682204.jpg

For more pics, visit >>> http://images.bernama.com/foto/pages/search.php?search=%21last1000&order_by=resourceid&archive=0&k=&per_page=44&sort=DESC


The arrival of the former King back to his home state...





The new King will be the first King to sit in the New National Palace. Here's a glimpse:

:drool:
does malaysian king has a daughter? :drool:

:lol: just kidding

Pardon my ignorance but what is it there to see in Bandung?
SHOPS! :D
hundreds malaysians come here for shopping each week!
you can find many factory outlets along bandung's main roads (Jalan Dago, Jalan Riau, Jalan Cihampelas, Jalan Setiabudi, etc)

beside, Bandung also has largest indoor park on the world. Trans Studio Bandung.
another tourist attractions are Mt. Tangkuban Perahu, Green Canyon (not far from bandung), Kawah Putih, Saung Angklung udjo (for Angklung's show) or maybe Bosscha. Indonesia's biggest space observatorium

:)

actually these kampongs or villages are commercialised. They might be owned by small businesses (kelongs where the sea bank is owned by a group of fishermen) and serve as a getaway for some locals for weekend homestay, maybe some older generations still prefer to stay there (there's definitely some older generation people though they can afford to live in proper houses still prefer to live by the sea, they like such a carefree lifestyle and fish for food), but i think they are mainly for leisure. Pulau Ubin is actually a popular island for Singaporeans to get away from the hectic city life to experience countryside living for awhile. These villages are actually preserved traditions and I am quite happy to know such places still exist even though they are commercialised. Good to know they are not demolished and still remain for us younger gen to see :)

For homeless folks, or those earning an income of less than 2k or some amount, the government actually provides subsidised quality rental flats at less than 100 SGD a month, maybe around $30-60 a month. These rental flats are as good as normal HDB flats.

That's the side of Singapore not normally seen by the rest of the world. Honestly, it doesn't look that bad but it provides a very stark contrast to the rest of the city state. SG is too sterile.

Is Mediacorp controlled by the govt? Or at least regulated (read: censored)?

Well, it's like our Baguio City although Baguio is colder in temperature as it drops to 8 degrees during December to January.

Bandung is like a respite from Jakarta's hot weather. It's nice to eat in a restaurant overlooking the tea plantation. They have a famous Dutch restaurant (forgot the name) and it is a "must" in Bandung. There is also a street there that sells "export overruns" of branded goods such as Nike, Adidas and the like at very low price (bargaining is a must).

Anyway, if you want a nearer place from Jakarta, then there is Puncak (pronounced as Punchak). It's a semblance of Tagaytay City! You will see corn vendors along the streets hehehe. It's nice to go to their huge botanical garden (earlier discussed in this thread), nice restaurants overlooking the huge tea plantation. It's cooler also in Puncak than in Jakarta.

Hmm... my experience in Nuwara Eliya in Sri Lanka is very hard to top.... maybe I'd try Puncak and Jakarta..Unfortunately, no ASEAN travel for me next year save for Thailand- will be in EU, JPN, India/Nepal.


not as always,in reality we lean toward red states during Sukarno era (poros Jakarta-Peking-Pyongyang remember?)



:cheers:

SHOPS! :D
hundreds malaysians come here for shopping each week!
you can find many factory outlets along bandung's main roads (Jalan Dago, Jalan Riau, Jalan Cihampelas, Jalan Setiabudi, etc)

beside, Bandung also has largest indoor park on the world. Trans Studio Bandung.
another tourist attractions are Mt. Tangkuban Perahu, Green Canyon (not far from bandung), Kawah Putih, Saung Angklung udjo (for Angklung's show) or maybe Bosscha. Indonesia's biggest space observatorium



Now that may interests me (ones I highlighted)- we have anklung in Philippines too..

not as always,in reality we lean toward red states during Sukarno era (poros Jakarta-Peking-Pyongyang remember?)




at that time we didn't lean, but we're both members of Non Aligned Movement...it wasn't US vs China, but US vs USSR, REMEMBER?

at that time we didn't lean, but we're both members of Non Aligned Movement...it wasn't US vs China, but US vs USSR, REMEMBER?

+1
Our best friends at that time were North Korea, China and Cambodia :cheers:

That's the side of Singapore not normally seen by the rest of the world. Honestly, it doesn't look that bad but it provides a very stark contrast to the rest of the city state. SG is too sterile.

Is Mediacorp controlled by the govt? Or at least regulated (read: censored)?

The fact is Singapore Government can make those so-called "poor" immigrants in Pulau Ubin become "billionaire" within 1 day. (but of course, nobody is damm free to do that)

The so-called "poverty", if exist, in Singapore, which I believe is definitely different than in any other Asean country.

To my very own ignorance, in fact, I've not really met or seen any "extremely poor" people here in Malaysia, except maybe in Sabah and the Islamic state of Kelantan, but I've not been to both of these states.

All I saw was rural areas covered with palm oil with shanty-built "kampung" houses made of 50% wood and 50% wood, where the condition looked soo unfortunate and dirty, but with a Mercedes S Class parked at the porch. How ironic for those Felda settlers and also non-settlers!

I think many of the "poorest" people are immigrants from elsewhere. But here, many who lives with income of less than 20 ringgit per day would self-consider themselves poor. I consider myself "poor" too, as I could not better myself (in terms of pay) against the inflation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sarcasm.

Always thought Balikpapan or Samarinda top the list.. but then HDI is following certain formula .

HDI's critierias are too simplistic - just compare a country in South Asia ( I don't want to name it ) with higher HDI than Morocco - I went to Morocco early this year and found its cities incredibly clean, infrastructure is really good , public toilets superbly clean and functioning well , there are so many middle-class shops & restaurants in Casablanca, Rabat, Marrakesh , Tangier etc , people live in solid houses and people drive very well :cheers: whereas in that South Asian country the cities are very dirty, poverty is crazy high , infrastructure is too old and too terrible , driving standard is bad, almost ALL public toilets are SUPER DIRTY with foul smell ( !! ) and it's extremely difficult to find quality shops and restaurants.

So, in what way *that South Asian country * has better Human Development than Morocco its hard to understand this :nuts:

I'd personally give a bigger weightage to Income rather than life expectancy & literacy rate . Then how about cleanliness of cities, the discipline of local population , quality of infrastructure, quality of shops/restaurants, internet penetration rate, for me all these are vital towards Human Development but not considered in HDI calculation ? :dunno:

which South Asian countries did you visit? perhaps the inequality between urban and rural in Marrocco is so high and that low HDI is influenced a lot by the condition of rural population..

The fact is Singapore Government can make those so-called "poor" immigrants in Pulau Ubin become "billionaire" within 1 day. (but of course, nobody is damm free to do that)

The so-called "poverty", if exist, in Singapore, which I believe is definitely different than in any other Asean country.

To my very own ignorance, in fact, I've not really met or seen any "extremely poor" people here in Malaysia, except maybe in Sabah, but I've not been to Sabah.

All I saw was rural areas covered with palm oil with shanty-built "kampung" houses made of 50% wood and 50% wood, where the condition looked soo unfortunate and dirty, but with a Mercedes S Class parked at the porch. How ironic for those Felda settlers in Pahang!

I think many of the "poorest" people are immigrants from elsewhere. But here, many who lives with income of less than 20 ringgit per day would self-consider themselves poor. I consider myself "poor" too, as I could not better myself (in terms of pay) against the inflation. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ask anyone in the Philippines if they are rich and they would always say they are 'poor' even when they have 3BR houses, 1 car etc. :lol:

Ask anyone in the Philippines if they went hungry once in the last 6 months, and they will say yes even when most Filipinos eat 6 times a day. :lol:

Even the shanties living under some of the bridges in Manila have TV sets and fridges. :D

Now that may interests me (ones I highlighted)- we have anklung in Philippines too..

oiya, i forgot food. sundanese food is the best food i've ever tasted in my life. like ayam bakar (don't know if this sundanese or javanese) gurame bakar, gurame asam manis, gurame saus tiram, ikan goreng cianjur, batagor, kupat tahu, colenak, and many more!

and bandung is famous place for brownies cake

Wow, it's more serious than I thought. No wonder US and Aussie governments thought of setting up a military base in Darwin

I thought the spy base was different from the military base. Thank you for the reference

you should be careful of PNG as well... China might pour its money to that country and set up a base there..

oiya, i forgot food. sundanese food is the best food i've ever tasted in my life. like ayam bakar (don't know if this sundanese or javanese) gurame bakar, gurame asam manis, gurame saus tiram, ikan goreng cianjur, batagor, kupat tahu, colenak, and many more!

and bandung is famous place for brownies cake

That's right. Bandung should be the culinary center in Java, right? While Padang food is unique, I prefer the Javanese food over Padang. :)

The fact is Singapore Government can make those so-called "poor" immigrants in Pulau Ubin become "billionaire" within 1 day. (but of course, nobody is damm free to do that)

The so-called "poverty", if exist, in Singapore, which I believe is definitely different than in any other Asean country.

To my very own ignorance, in fact, I've not really met or seen any "extremely poor" people here in Malaysia, except maybe in Sabah and the Islamic state of Kelantan, but I've not been to both of these states.

All I saw was rural areas covered with palm oil with shanty-built "kampung" houses made of 50% wood and 50% wood, where the condition looked soo unfortunate and dirty, but with a Mercedes S Class parked at the porch. How ironic for those Felda settlers and also non-settlers!

I think many of the "poorest" people are immigrants from elsewhere. But here, many who lives with income of less than 20 ringgit per day would self-consider themselves poor. I consider myself "poor" too, as I could not better myself (in terms of pay) against the inflation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sarcasm.

On poverty, I've seen poor people here in the country. When Skyprince was here, he saw those vendors in the streets selling to the motorists at stop lights! I told him, "you can't find that in Malaysia", and he smiled.

Ask anyone in the Philippines if they are rich and they would always say they are 'poor' even when they have 3BR houses, 1 car etc. :lol:

Ask anyone in the Philippines if they went hungry once in the last 6 months, and they will say yes even when most Filipinos eat 6 times a day. :lol:

Even the shanties living under some of the bridges in Manila have TV sets and fridges. :D


To me, families living in low-cost apartments of about 600 sqft provided on loan by City Hall and other Govt agencies are considered "poor", given the cost of living today. Sometimes, these neighborhoods can be soo filthy and un-equipped, and this is, in fact, the true picture of KL.

I remember I went once to the low-cost apartments in Section 16 and 4, Shah Alam. Supposedly many urban poor living there. True enough, many families of 5 kids and seniors/retirees living with less than 650 ringgit per month.

There's an uncountable number of NGOs and "Shelter Homes" in Malaysia. For example, one that I visited a few years back is called "Pusat Makan Pertubuhan Bela Miskin" that provide FREE meals to those poor families on a daily basis to ease their burden.

Corporate organisations are encouraged to donate and support these initiatives, and my former employer whom I went with, actually went to adopt some of these families and their children.

>>> http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_MY/my/mypressroom/MYpressreleases/53660c1173aac210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm

:)

actually these kampongs or villages are commercialised. They might be owned by small businesses (kelongs where the sea bank is owned by a group of fishermen) and serve as a getaway for some locals for weekend homestay, maybe some older generations still prefer to stay there (there's definitely some older generation people though they can afford to live in proper houses still prefer to live by the sea, they like such a carefree lifestyle and fish for food), but i think they are mainly for leisure. Pulau Ubin is actually a popular island for Singaporeans to get away from the hectic city life to experience countryside living for awhile. These villages are actually preserved traditions and I am quite happy to know such places still exist even though they are commercialised. Good to know they are not demolished and still remain for us younger gen to see :)

For homeless folks, or those earning an income of less than 2k or some amount, the government actually provides subsidised quality rental flats at less than 100 SGD a month, maybe around $30-60 a month. These rental flats are as good as normal HDB flats.

I haven't seen poor or homeless people in SG. I've seen few homeless in HK.
I know that SG's GDP per capita is so high, US$43K++ and continues to grow, 16% of population have net worth of at least US$ 1million, so many BMWs and other premium cars in the streets, etc., etc., etc., :cheers: SG is very successful in this aspect.

Ronnier, i met many Filipino just now in my hometown, semarang. They went to pizza hut for weekly gathering before going for groceries in carrefour every tuesday. I know about the weekly gathering because i asked one of the Filipina who is a teacher here in the international school about it. Shes very nice and pretty. :)

Cheers

Yes. We owe this to the Sultan of Brunei. He is a a true friend of the Philippines. There are also thousands of Filipinos who work in his palace, in the government and private sector of Brunei Darussalam.

Many of the Pinoys there are professionals and skilled workers.

Yes, agree. Tho' I don't really know bout the relationship between Phil-Bru, But from what I've seen so far both country are quite close each other, esp with the Southern region (Mindanao), due to the same religion identity (Islam) and history (Sulu - Brunei Darussalam Sultanate). CMIIW . . .

Ronnier, i met many Filipino just now in my hometown, semarang. They went to pizza hut for weekly gathering before going for groceries in carrefour every tuesday. I know about the weekly gathering because i asked one of the Filipina who is a teacher here in the international school about it. Shes very nice and pretty. :)

Cheers

Hi David. That's great to know. I didn't know that Filipinos also work in Semarang :) I haven't been to that city in Central Java. I've been to Surabaya, Yogyakarta, Malang (another beautiful city!), Bandung and that place near Krakatau volcano (I forgot the name of the beach). So, you befriend that pretty Filipina teacher :) :). You should visit Manila....

Yes, agree. Tho' I don't really know bout the relationship between Phil-Bru, But from what I've seen so far both country are quite close each other, esp with the Southern region (Mindanao), due to the same religion identity (Islam) and history (Sulu - Brunei Darussalam Sultanate). CMIIW . . .

Yes, even that famous Prince Jeffri came to Manila few times. :)

The fact is Singapore Government can make those so-called "poor" immigrants in Pulau Ubin become "billionaire" within 1 day. (but of course, nobody is damm free to do that)

The so-called "poverty", if exist, in Singapore, which I believe is definitely different than in any other Asean country.

To my very own ignorance, in fact, I've not really met or seen any "extremely poor" people here in Malaysia, except maybe in Sabah and the Islamic state of Kelantan, but I've not been to both of these states.

All I saw was rural areas covered with palm oil with shanty-built "kampung" houses made of 50% wood and 50% wood, where the condition looked soo unfortunate and dirty, but with a Mercedes S Class parked at the porch. How ironic for those Felda settlers and also non-settlers!

I think many of the "poorest" people are immigrants from elsewhere. But here, many who lives with income of less than 20 ringgit per day would self-consider themselves poor. I consider myself "poor" too, as I could not better myself (in terms of pay) against the inflation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sarcasm.

there's no poverty in Malaysia...if there is, they are all foreigners... it's highly advanced country and people...

by contrast, you'll see homeless people (homeless = extremely poor) in Osaka train station and some parts of Japan...many of them are Japanese, and they don't have mercedes s class...

you can also see homeless people in some parts of Paris, Amsterdam, etc... just go outside Nord train station of Paris during the night, you'll see homeless people... or to urban forest around the city...some of them are French...

such poor countries and people... :D

Hi David. That's great to know. I didn't know that Filipinos also work in Semarang :) I haven't been to that city in Central Java. I've been to Surabaya, Yogyakarta, Malang (another beautiful city!), Bandung and that place near Krakatau volcano (I forgot the name of the beach).



:)

Ronnie, all of them are professional or teachers, they seems very connected and happy to live in this boredom city (i can only stand 3 days here, industrial city with poor entertainment)

Cheets

Ronnie, all of them are professional or teachers, they seems very connected and happy to live in this boredom city (i can only stand 3 days here, industrial city with poor entertainment)

Cheets

Hi David, I guess they find enjoyment in serenity. :) If you come to Manila, please feel free to PM me, be my guest. :)

Intermezo . . .

You know AKB48, a girl group from Japan, don't you . . .
Now they "adopt" several Indonesian Girls to be their new sisters called JKT48 (JKT stands for Jakarta? :nuts::lol:)

Here they are, the JKT 48, so Asian faces . . .
http://moeyume.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/jkt48.jpg

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First TVC starring JKT 48

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^^ i can't believe some of them are 12 and 13 years old :nuts:

oiya, i forgot food. sundanese food is the best food i've ever tasted in my life. like ayam bakar (don't know if this sundanese or javanese) gurame bakar, gurame asam manis, gurame saus tiram, ikan goreng cianjur, batagor, kupat tahu, colenak, and many more!

and bandung is famous place for brownies cake

Thanks, now that's interesting. :D

Thanks, now that's interesting. :D

there are reasons why Jakartans and Malaysians go to Bandung for holidays :)

I haven't seen poor or homeless people in SG. I've seen few homeless in HK.
I know that SG's GDP per capita is so high, US$43K++ and continues to grow, 16% of population have net worth of at least US$ 1million, so many BMWs and other premium cars in the streets, etc., etc., etc., :cheers: SG is very successful in this aspect.

I have seen at least 1-2 homeless in SG. :D I think they have their mercedes parked in Johor. :D



there's no poverty in Malaysia...if there is, they are all foreigners... it's highly advanced country and people...

by contrast, you'll see homeless people (homeless = extremely poor) in Osaka train station and some parts of Japan...many of them are Japanese, and they don't have mercedes s class...

you can also see homeless people in some parts of Paris, Amsterdam, etc... just go outside Nord train station of Paris during the night, you'll see homeless people... or to urban forest around the city...some of them are French...

such poor countries and people... :D


A friend of mine is a bum magnet every time she goes to US. Panhandlers seem to always bother her for change. :D US is such a poor country. :D

There are no slums in ASEAN at all except in the Philippines- in the Philippines we call them iskwater (squatter) in other parts of ASEAN, they call them Kampung Ayer. :lol: :lol: :poke: :lol:

Yes, agree. Tho' I don't really know bout the relationship between Phil-Bru, But from what I've seen so far both country are quite close each other, esp with the Southern region (Mindanao), due to the same religion identity (Islam) and history (Sulu - Brunei Darussalam Sultanate). CMIIW . . .


Andddd Sabah wc basically was given by the Sultan of Brunei to the Sultan of Sulu and which the Brits stole. :D

I wish we can share ASEAN recipes here. :D

there's no poverty in Malaysia...if there is, they are all foreigners... it's highly advanced country and people...

by contrast, you'll see homeless people (homeless = extremely poor) in Osaka train station and some parts of Japan...many of them are Japanese, and they don't have mercedes s class...

you can also see homeless people in some parts of Paris, Amsterdam, etc... just go outside Nord train station of Paris during the night, you'll see homeless people... or to urban forest around the city...some of them are French...

such poor countries and people... :D

In Malaysia and Indonesia, poverty doesn't look that "extreme" as their real income level, because , 1 big reason is, that people love to live in sprawling outskirts and some in rural area. They may earn low $$$ but price of residentials & goods are almost equally low in outskirts and in rural area, thus many people escape "extreme poverty" had they opt to live in urban centres .

Also, living in outskirts and rural areas means they can build their homes better than if they lived in CBD or nearby city centre. 1 big surprise when I first landed in Indonesia was the huge home size seen along the whole 30-km stretch between Minangkabau Airport and Padang city :cheers:

I've been to EGypt and despite its higher income level than Indonesia , I found Egypt has the worst poverty among all countries I;ve been- worse than whatever I saw in India and Bangladesh.. I think 1 big reason is the serious overcrowding - vast majority of Egyptians live along the Nile River thus quality of housing is extremely poor and houses are too small to live and too expensive to rent/buy, due to serious lack of land .

Here they are, the JKT 48, so Asian faces . . .
http://moeyume.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/jkt48.jpg


Frankly, I seriously do not know which girl is the prettiest... all of them looks quite OK.

Btw which one you guys picked? :colgate:

In Malaysia and Indonesia, poverty doesn't look that "extreme" as their real income level, because , 1 big reason is, that people love to live in sprawling outskirts and some in rural area. They may earn low $$$ but price of residentials & goods are almost equally low in outskirts and in rural area, thus many people escape "extreme poverty" had they opt to live in urban centres .

Also, living in outskirts and rural areas means they can build their homes better than if they lived in CBD or nearby city centre. 1 big surprise when I first landed in Indonesia was the huge home size seen along the whole 30-km stretch between Minangkabau Airport and Padang city :cheers:

That's very smart thinking. :yes:

Though I saw a 'kampung ayer' in Kota Kinabalu. Looked like a Manila slum. It was fenced off from view but caught a glimpse through one of the cracks.

In Malaysia and Indonesia, poverty doesn't look that "extreme" as their real income level, because , 1 big reason is, that people love to live in sprawling outskirts and some in rural area. They may earn low $$$ but price of residentials & goods are almost equally low in outskirts and in rural area, thus many people escape "extreme poverty" had they opt to live in urban centres .

Also, living in outskirts and rural areas means they can build their homes better than if they lived in CBD or nearby city centre. 1 big surprise when I first landed in Indonesia was the huge home size seen along the whole 30-km stretch between Minangkabau Airport and Padang city :cheers:

I've been to EGypt and despite its higher income level than Indonesia , I found Egypt has the worst poverty among all countries I;ve been- worse than whatever I saw in India and Bangladesh.. I think 1 big reason is the serious overcrowding - vast majority of Egyptians live along the Nile River thus quality of housing is extremely poor and houses are too small to live and too expensive to rent/buy, due to serious lack of land .

In Indonesia poverty can be easily found in Java's big cities, some Java's rural areas (both mainly are a result of unfertile land for agriculture in few parts of Java and high population density of Java) and poor regions like West and East Nusa Tenggara and Papua...

but yes, we're lucky living in a tropical country... there are cases where homeless people die in Europe during winter, until right now...

Egypt income per capita (nominal) is below Indonesia...

I have seen at least 1-2 homeless in SG. :D I think they have their mercedes parked in Johor. :D


Many Singaporeans and Singapore PRs including my family have weekend homes in Johor. There are upmarket suburbs in Johor with 80% SG income earning residents and we enjoy the weekend road trips. Some travel up weekly for shopping trips. This is becoming more common as Iskandar Malaysia opens up to foreign investors. :)

Many Singaporeans and Singapore PRs including my family have weekend homes in Johor. There are upmarket suburbs in Johor with 80% SG income earning residents and we enjoy the weekend road trips. Some travel up weekly for shopping trips. This is becoming more common as Iskandar Malaysia opens up to foreign investors. :)

Malaysia is pretty smart by opening up Iskandar for foreign (Singaporean) investors... actually if MM didn't have a thought to always pick a fight with LKY this type of dev't can be implemented since long time ago

Xie Xie China. :cheers:

China donates law enforcement equipment to Philippines
(Xinhua)
16:10, December 13, 2011

MANILA, Dec. 13 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese government donated two million yuan (314,200 U.S. dollars) worth of law enforcement equipment to the Philippine government to help in its effort to combat crime and improve security.

In a turnover ceremony held Tuesday, China's Ambassador to the Philippines Liu Jianchao said the equipment, which was donated to the Philippine justice department, is in line with the existing bilateral cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of two countries.

"We should have every reason to believe that the future cooperation between our two countries on combating transnational crimes will continue with strength and depth and reap even more rich fruits in the days to come," he said.

Philippine Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said the donated equipment will not only enhance the country's law enforcement efforts but also improve the security provided to state witnesses.

"I am glad to note that our common aspiration for peace and order and the attainment of progress in our region has resulted in cooperative efforts that had made significant progress," she said.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90883/7675232.html

Malaysia is pretty smart by opening up Iskandar for foreign (Singaporean) investors... actually if MM didn't have a thought to always pick a fight with LKY this type of dev't can be implemented since long time ago

Hey, what's Iskandar? I'm lost.....

Report from China.

Xie Xie China. :cheers: Welcome to the Philippines.

Shanghai opens charter flights to Philippines:cheers::banana:

By Tao Jian (Jiefang Daily)
16:23, December 13, 2011

Edited and translated by People's Daily Online

A new overseas leisure destination has opened for Shanghai residents.

On Dec. 11, Shanghai Foreign Airlines together with the Philippines Tourism Bureau and Cebu Pacific Airlines launched non-stop charter flights from Shanghai to the Clark Resort in the Philippines.

The flight is scheduled on every Monday and Friday, and the whole journey takes three hours.

The Clark Resort, located 80 kilometers away from the Philippine capital Manila, was once the largest U.S. Air Force base in Asia.

It has well-known international brand hotels, golf courses and a 200-square-meter Fontana resort town. In addition to checking out the Fontana resort town, tourists can also visit Subic Bay and the Piya Na Volcanic Hot Springs.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90778/7675291.html

Xie Xie China. :cheers:

China donates law enforcement equipment to Philippines
(Xinhua)
16:10, December 13, 2011

MANILA, Dec. 13 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese government donated two million yuan (314,200 U.S. dollars) worth of law enforcement equipment to the Philippine government to help in its effort to combat crime and improve security.

In a turnover ceremony held Tuesday, China's Ambassador to the Philippines Liu Jianchao said the equipment, which was donated to the Philippine justice department, is in line with the existing bilateral cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of two countries.

"We should have every reason to believe that the future cooperation between our two countries on combating transnational crimes will continue with strength and depth and reap even more rich fruits in the days to come," he said.

Philippine Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said the donated equipment will not only enhance the country's law enforcement efforts but also improve the security provided to state witnesses.

"I am glad to note that our common aspiration for peace and order and the attainment of progress in our region has resulted in cooperative efforts that had made significant progress," she said.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90883/7675232.html



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Many Singaporeans and Singapore PRs including my family have weekend homes in Johor. There are upmarket suburbs in Johor with 80% SG income earning residents and we enjoy the weekend road trips. Some travel up weekly for shopping trips. This is becoming more common as Iskandar Malaysia opens up to foreign investors. :)

Well it makes sense considering real estate in SG is extremely expensive and you have a cheaper option across the strait. I liked Johor for being quiet. :)

Speaking of weekend drives to Johor, just make sure you stop at the immigration. Or else you'd be doing naked squats. :nuts:

Hey, what's Iskandar? I'm lost.....

I've posted many articles on Iskandar here.

Iskandar Malaysia is a Special Economic Zone that covers 45% of Johor State and 3 times the size of Singapore, that was established to mimic Shenzhen in attracting new investments (and providing land, relying on connectivity and less costly alternative) from its richer neighbor, i.e. Hong Kong.

The new region including Singapore, if successful, will one day become one of the largest economic centers in Asia-Pac and our region. It will also be the single largest catalyst to Malaysia in our ambition to become a developed nation by 2020.

One of the seaport in Iskandar called Port of Tanjung Pelepas is already Asia's fastest growing container port and is today the 16th busiest in the world by volume as per FY2010. In May 2011, Petronas alone announced a US$20 billion petroleum and petrochemicals trading and storage hub.

I believe it could well challenge Greater Kuala Lumpur to be our single largest economic conurbation.

VIDEO
>>> http://www.iskandarmalaysia.com.my/iskandar-malaysia-introduction-video




Take a look at some renderings designed by GENSLER for one of the many economic centers within Iskandar Malaysia.

>>> http://www.gensler.com/#projects/229

Looks very nice!

@bansatorn

Do you have any links for a quick guide to BKK? I will be there in about 5 weeks after HK so I wanna check out rooftop restaurants for lunch or something like that...
http://www.thaizer.com/food/bangkok-rooftop-bars-and-restaurants/
http://www.bangkok.com/rooftop-bars.htm
http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/eat/rooftop-bars-and-restaurants-998213

For your convenience,if you go shopping near Siam square or rajchaprasong area ,you can go to 7th floor of Siam discovery center or 7th floor of Central world plaza.There are many new chic restaurant open there.
Now there is new mall open at Asoke mrt station,TERMINAL 21.
This mall is very poppular mall for Bangkokians now.

If you want to try new experience about mall+restaurant+ghost house+amusement ,you should go MANSION 7.It's easy to go by taking MRT to Huay Kuang station.There are the scariest ghost house and many delicious restaurant there.


http://www.bloggang.com/data/noouhu/picture/1294741161.jpg
http://ed.files-media.com/ud/review/1/2/5111/Mansion03.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2342/cats2r.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9792/cats8n.jpg


More info about Mansion 7: http://thairetail.blogspot.com/2010/11/mansion-7-bangkoks-most-bizarre-new.html
More pic
http://review.edtguide.com/5111_mansion-7-%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%81
http://ladysquare.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=114158&title=mansion-7-nana
http://www.bloggang.com/mainblog.php?id=life24&month=27-06-2011&group=1&gblog=4

wow MaiSON 7 is sooo COOOL!!


********************


A new project revealed today for KL: :applause:


IB TOWER, Kuala Lumpur - 274m
Source: http://pr.hankyung.com/newsRead.php?no=589445


http://file.newswire.co.kr/data/datafile2/thumb_480/2011/12/20111208110011_1058079850.jpg
http://pr.hankyung.com/newsRead.php?no=589445



Construction site revealed:


http://payload.cargocollective.com/1/2/76384/2299342/PNNA_IBT01_020_905.jpg



With more than 530 projects in Greater KL and still counting day by day, will it be sustainable or the market becomes bubble????

nice building

http://www.thaizer.com/food/bangkok-rooftop-bars-and-restaurants/
http://www.bangkok.com/rooftop-bars.htm
http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/eat/rooftop-bars-and-restaurants-998213

For your convenience,if you go shopping near Siam square or rajchaprasong area ,you can go to 7th floor of Siam discovery center or 7th floor of Central world plaza.There are many new chic restaurant open there.
Now there is new mall open at Asoke mrt station,TERMINAL 21.
This mall is very poppular mall for Bangkokians now.

If you want to try new experience about mall+restaurant+ghost house+amusement ,you should go MANSION 7.It's easy to go by taking MRT to Huay Kuang station.There are the scariest ghost house and many delicious restaurant there.


http://www.bloggang.com/data/noouhu/picture/1294741161.jpg
http://ed.files-media.com/ud/review/1/2/5111/Mansion03.jpg
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2342/cats2r.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9792/cats8n.jpg


More info about Mansion 7: http://thairetail.blogspot.com/2010/11/mansion-7-bangkoks-most-bizarre-new.html
More pic
http://review.edtguide.com/5111_mansion-7-%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B4%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%81
http://ladysquare.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=114158&title=mansion-7-nana
http://www.bloggang.com/mainblog.php?id=life24&month=27-06-2011&group=1&gblog=4



THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! :) :) :) :banana::banana::banana::banana:

These are extremely helpful!! :cheers::cheers::cheers:

Pardon my ignorance but what is it there to see in Bandung?

Girls,
Sundanese girls famous for their beauty and they are also very modis and trendy, thats why this city called Paris van Java, infact since colonialist era.

'but kawah putih (white cauldrone) also nice,
http://i.pbase.com/g5/76/410576/2/67403458.lwqKfwsC.jpg

at that time we didn't lean, but we're both members of Non Aligned Movement...it wasn't US vs China, but US vs USSR, REMEMBER?

Then why Uni Sovyet gave us Top of the notch their bomber jet at that time which's TU-16 badger,if you dont know only US, UK and Uni sovyet have strategic bomber aircraft like that in early 60s,

'beside 25 Bomber jet TU-16, Sovyet give us 30 mig-15, 49 mig-17,10 mig-19 and 24 mig-21 , at that time we could eat Aussie for breakfast if we want to..:lol:

Girls,
Sundanese girls famous for their beauty and they arealso very modis and trendy, thats why this city called Paris van Java, infact since colonialist era.

'but kawah putih also nice
http://i.pbase.com/g5/76/410576/2/67403458.lwqKfwsC.jpg



I think Indonesian girls are cute, kinda like Pinoys. I was told that there's heaps of beautiful ladies in Jakarta. ;)

wow MaiSON 7 is sooo COOOL!!


********************


A new project revealed today for KL: :applause:


IB TOWER, Kuala Lumpur - 274m
Source: http://pr.hankyung.com/newsRead.php?no=589445




Construction site revealed:




With more than 530 projects in Greater KL and still counting day by day, will it be sustainable or the market becomes bubble????

Many Malaysia's project now remind me of Thailand in 15 years ago when real estate in Thailand was very boom like Malaysia now. It's become over supply and then become the economics crisis which effected the world.
just hope It will not happen again.:)

Many Malaysia's project now remind me of Thailand in 15 years ago when real estate in Thailand was very boom like Malaysia now. It's become over supply and then become the economics crisis which effected the world.
just hope It will not happen again.:)


I'm seriously getting worried about real estate in KL, Penang and Iskandar (JB).

It's getting crazy.... and just a minute ago our local SSC Forum just posted this advertisement from the newspaper. Notice a new project consisting of "80-storey". We already have two projects of more than 100-storey and a dozen more between heights of 50 to 80 floors.




Hi guys,

I stumbled a notice by DBKL in New Straits Times today. It listed down several applications received by DBKL for development and I saw a project consist of a 80 storey office tower.

Anyone have any idea on this project? :banana:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/hetfield85/IMG_09651024x768.jpg

^^ i like how malaysia is building iconic skyscrapers :)

here in manila, we're not only building buildings, real estate companies are developing cities or city-like communities. we often hear from our local developers their marketing pitch "get a chance to live in a city within a city where you may go shopping, play, dine, work and blah blah blah" :lol:

anyway from the maker of Eastwood City

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5058/5534189946_73a7bc1543_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/manilaxperience/5534189946/)
Eastwood City Diorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/manilaxperience/5534189946/) by manilaxperience (http://www.flickr.com/people/manilaxperience/), on Flickr
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/1680828323/1/tumblr_lcg5abN6pQ1qf6q8b?.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5628220586_c51c9ef22a_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6505696505_7560d3f326_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48406527@N03/6505696505/)
libis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48406527@N03/6505696505/) by crossboneka (http://www.flickr.com/people/48406527@N03/), on Flickr






here's another city in the drawing board...

The McKinley West
http://globalcityproperties.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/mckinley-west-scale-model.jpg?w=1024
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6505624899_5fcd5e36e9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48406527@N03/6505624899/)
mckinley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48406527@N03/6505624899/) by crossboneka (http://www.flickr.com/people/48406527@N03/), on Flickr

there's no poverty in Malaysia...if there is, they are all foreigners... it's highly advanced country and people...

by contrast, you'll see homeless people (homeless = extremely poor) in Osaka train station and some parts of Japan...many of them are Japanese, and they don't have mercedes s class...

you can also see homeless people in some parts of Paris, Amsterdam, etc... just go outside Nord train station of Paris during the night, you'll see homeless people... or to urban forest around the city...some of them are French...

such poor countries and people... :D

haha that was funny :lol: :lol:

now that's what you call sarcastic humor. (the other guy here doesn't know how to be sarcastic.. tries so hard, and fails miserably :lol: :lol: :lol: )

@crossboneka

Where is this? Is this the Venice at the Fort???

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5628220586_c51c9ef22a_b.jpg

^^ Nope, that's in EAST WOOD in Quezon City.

haha that was funny :lol: :lol:

now that's what you call sarcastic humor. (the other guy here doesn't know how to be sarcastic.. tries so hard, and fails miserably :lol: :lol: :lol: )

you two are the best :lol:

These new project renderings released on SSC just today.

Two new projects within Greater KL, that I picked to be shared here involve elements of SUSTAINABILITY & GREEN, HEALTHCARE & WELLNESS and hopefully these would attract not just locals, but also tourists, especially those who have high expectations on lifestyle and service.

I just can't believe "garden for every patient"??? WOW

Take a look and do share with us if your ASEAN City has similar development with similar propositions:




HEALTH METROPOLIS UNIVERSITI OF MALAYA
(An initiative under Malaysia Economic Transformation Programme)

FIRM Perkins+Will, Chicago, USA

PROGRAM 300 Beds Hospital, Specialty Clinic, Research Labs, Bioseum, Medtrade and Hotel – 2,000,000 Sqft

YEAR 2011/2012

LOCATION Kuala Lumpur – Malaysia

http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2_small1-640x640.jpg
http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/CONCEPT-1024x724.jpg
http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/LANDSCAPE-1024x724.jpg
http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/INTERIOR-02_small-1024x577.jpg

http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/1_small-1024x601.jpg
http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2_small-1024x614.jpg



KELANA SPORTS CITY, Petaling Jaya
>>> http://www.melatiehsan.com.my/project-ss7-kelana-jaya.php

http://www.melatiehsan.com.my/img_projects/ss7-kelana-jaya_ongoing/02.jpg

http://www.melatiehsan.com.my/img_projects/ss7-kelana-jaya_ongoing/01.jpg

for a second i thought i was at the Southeast Asia|New proposals and U/C projects (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1138871&page=59) thread...

for a second i thought i was at the Southeast Asia|New proposals and U/C projects (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1138871&page=59) thread...

To all active members here:

Folks can we lessen the project proposals or even don't post it here. It's just annoying and most Philippine members don't really care about that in our "news" section.

Thank you.

These new project renderings released on SSC just today.

Two new projects within Greater KL, that I picked to be shared here involve elements of SUSTAINABILITY & GREEN, HEALTHCARE & WELLNESS and hopefully these would attract not just locals, but also tourists, especially those who have high expectations on lifestyle and service.

I just can't believe "garden for every patient"??? WOW

Take a look and do share with us if your ASEAN City has similar development with similar propositions:
And that should also include garden snakes for them! Hahahaha. Maybe they can make use of snake oil to have them get well faster.

BTW, why can't people just follow the proverb: "A place for everything and everything in its place." Why mix things up? I must be crazy!

To all active members here:

Folks can we lessen the project proposals or even don't post it here. It's just annoying and most Philippine members don't really care about that in our "news" section.

Thank you.


OK no more project sharing in here for now.

Btw I feel Southeast Asia New Projects Thread's coverage is merely a few selected ones and many cities like Singapore and Bangkok are under-represented. Lately, Greater KL SSC threads get an average of 1 to 5 new project renderings per working day, but I guess many more ASEAN cities are like that but no news in that thread.

If any person/readers here interested in investing in real estate in Malaysia and Singapore, kindly feel free to consult me. :lol:


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This news hits me...


Hello ASEAN+3, good-bye Europe :applause:
The Jakarta Post | Fithra Faisal Hastiadi, Tokyo | Tue, 12/13/2011 9:28 PM

A Distinguished Speakers Seminar (DSS) held by the Asian Development Bank Institute (ADBI) in Tokyo in November came to the powerful conclusion that the European mess was getting messier.

As stated by Wyplosz (2011), since late 2009 the European debt crisis has not shown any sign of recovery.

For several reasons, apparently, the policy responses have been wrong. Wyplosz argues that the mother of all mistakes may lie in the policy options to provide ¤110 billion to save Greece through its tough austerity program.

There were two major flaws in this policy. First, it violates the no-bailout clause in the European Central Bank (ECB) system; and second, austerity in the midst of recession cannot act as a remedy.

Meanwhile, ASEAN is fueled by a youthful spirit that could bring new hope during the current global imbalances. ASEAN members are becoming increasingly connected. The ASEAN region has experienced sustainable growth of intra-regional trade share. In 1990, the intra-regional trade share was only 17 percent but in 2010 the figure swelled to 25.2 percent.

Read More >>> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/12/13/hello-asean3-good-bye-europe.html

i think it's relevant to post interesting projects here as well. we don't talk about details of engineering or architectural stuff here but we're only sharing what's new and what's going on around ASEAN from politics to real estate.

like what patchay posted...
http://www.jcportuese.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/2_small1-640x640.jpg

^^ isn't it a nice new concept? something all other cities in ASEAN should emulate. nice render btw.


meanwhile... :lol:

CENTURIA MEDICAL MAKATI by Century Properties Group is a 30-story building, a one-stop, outpatient techno-medical center located at Century City, Makati, Philippines

update from batang genio
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6506021833_c1ca4a38b9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48406527@N03/6506021833/)
centuria (http://www.flickr.com/photos/48406527@N03/6506021833/) by crossboneka (http://www.flickr.com/people/48406527@N03/), on Flickr
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2100/5750190956_a2f82f2ca4_b.jpg

i think it's relevant to post interesting projects here as well. we don't talk about details of engineering or architectural stuff here but we're only sharing what's new and what's going on around ASEAN from politics to real estate.


Just go at the correct forums.

follow the link I provided previously. I'm pretty sure people there would really love discussing those.

^^ haha cge po i'll stop na :lol:

Wow that's a very nice highrise hospital!!


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2100/5750190956_a2f82f2ca4_b.jpg



Just go at the correct forums.

follow the link I provided previously. I'm pretty sure people there would really love discussing those.


I would agree with you but in reality the thread there is just pics one after another.

The reason I posted here is this thread is more LIVELY! :lol:

^^ haha cge po i'll stop na :lol:

thank you.

I often visit that thread myself.

There's also a few Asian threads that are interesting and active. I'm sure they'd be happy to welcome you there as well. Some of them with good discussions as well.. :)
(Just stay away from some of the spam threads.. where people post pictures like there's no tomorrow.. unless you only came to browse for pictures.. :lol: )

Then why Uni Sovyet gave us Top of the notch their bomber jet at that time which's TU-16 badger,if you dont know only US, UK and Uni sovyet have strategic bomber aircraft like that in early 60s,

'beside 25 Bomber jet TU-16, Sovyet give us 30 mig-15, 49 mig-17,10 mig-19 and 24 mig-21 , at that time we could eat Aussie for breakfast if we want to..:lol:

that's exactly like today's situation brother...does our approval to receive 24 F16 and AUS flights mean we're leaning towards US block? NO....:)

haha that was funny :lol: :lol:

now that's what you call sarcastic humor. (the other guy here doesn't know how to be sarcastic.. tries so hard, and fails miserably :lol: :lol: :lol: )

my joke wasn't directed to a particular person (Patchay to be blunt haha)... No, I was suddely a kind of remembering some Malaysian Forums I visited and my chit chat with some Malaysians years ago... some of them insisted that there's no poverty in Malaysia... if there's, there would be foreigners...:)

I was naturally amazed, because I've travelled half the world and saw poverty even in the most developed countries having HDI higher and income double or triple that of Malaysia... :)

IMHO, there's nothing wrong in admitting that to certain extent our countries have poverty... even in the much richer and smaller countries like Singapore... here for example the poverty in Spore:

Poverty in Singapore

THERE IS THIS MYTH that Singapore is a rich country and its citizens are well-taken care of. Nothing could be further from the truth. The 1998 United Nations Human Development Index showed that Singapore ranked 28 on the list behind countries like Barbados and Malta.

In fact many households earn so little that they cannot afford to give their children pocket-money for school, resulting in the students going hungry for the day. The following is a snapshot of some of the more recent cases uncovered:

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/truth-about/106-poverty-in-singapore

Hmm... my experience in Nuwara Eliya in Sri Lanka is very hard to top.... maybe I'd try Puncak and Jakarta..Unfortunately, no ASEAN travel for me next year save for Thailand- will be in EU, JPN, India/Nepal.
:cheers:


train from jakarta to bandung is great, especially during daylight... it offers the best view of java's rural areas...

there's a safari zoo in puncak, from many comments i read (mostly from indonesians and malaysians), it's perhaps the best in asean, much better than safari night in spore...

don't lose hope with declining EU and US economy, your neighbors also have enterprises :)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=66&articleId=758075


Citra to invest add'l $1.5B in Phl
By Zinnia B. Dela Peña (The Philippine Star) Updated December 14, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - The Citra Group of Indonesia is ready to invest an additional $1.5 billion for tollroad projects in the Philippines, including Stages 3 and 4 of the Metro Manila Skyway project as well as planned acquisitions.

In a briefing yesterday, PT Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada Tbk president Shadik Wahono said the group formed a new holding company, AAI, to own the shares of four Indonesian firms – Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada, Citra Lamtoro Gung Persada, Bhaskara Duniajaya and Matra Sarana Arsitama in Skyway concessionare Citra Metro Manila Tollways Corp. (CMMTC).

Wahono said the group has submitted to the government a proposal to undertake Stage 3 of the Skyway project, reaffirming its confidence in the Philippine economy. It just completed Skyway Stage 2 ahead of schedule in March this year in partnership with the Philippine National Construction Corp.

The third stage, which will extend from Buendia Ave in Makati to Balin-tawak, connecting North Luzon Expressway ((NLEX) to the South Luzon Expressway (SLEX), covers about 13 kilometers. The project is estimated to cost around P24 billion.

Wahono said the group, which has built its presence in the Philippines since 1995, has already raised the necessary funding to support the third and fourth phases of the Skyway project and new tollroad projects.

The fourth phase called Metro Manila Expressway, a component of the C6 Road, is a 57-km at-grade expressway that will link the Skyway System at FTI in the south with the north at San Jose del Monte. Passing through C6 in Taguig, Ortigas Ave. Extension, Marcos Highway, San Mateo and Montalban.

Poverty in Singapore

THERE IS THIS MYTH that Singapore is a rich country and its citizens are well-taken care of. Nothing could be further from the truth. The 1998 United Nations Human Development Index showed that Singapore ranked 28 on the list behind countries like Barbados and Malta.

In fact many households earn so little that they cannot afford to give their children pocket-money for school, resulting in the students going hungry for the day. The following is a snapshot of some of the more recent cases uncovered:

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/truth-about/106-poverty-in-singapore

That is because, International rankings measure Poverty as people earning less than 2$ a day. :lol:
I was reading the article, and saw that the average income of these "POOR Singaporeans" are in the range of 400$ a month. Which for other countries is already a MIDDLE INCOME salary!!

The measure should vary depending on which city/country they live in.

Some people in REMOTE Philippine provinces lives on less than 2$ a day, but they are still able to eat normally(most of them are fishermen and farmers who produces their own food), and their children sent to public schools.

The measure should vary depending on which city/country they live in.

Some people in REMOTE Philippine provinces lives on less than 2$ a day, but they are still able to eat normally(most of them are fishermen and farmers who produces their own food), and their children sent to public schools.

you're right, the same thing also happens in some indonesia's provinces... they grow their own foods and have decent houses, but no cash, since money usually circulate in big cities... i read in indonesia ssc forum that it's even difficult to find poor families in some districts which have relatively low gdp/capita...

you're right, the same thing also happens in some indonesia's provinces... they grow their own foods and have decent houses, but no cash, since money usually circulate in big cities... i read in indonesia ssc forum that it's even difficult to find poor families in some districts which have relatively low gdp/capita...

Yes, sometimes it's quite unfair to just measure poverty based on only salary/income (2USD/day, 1.5USD/day, etc). Since not all parts of the world have the standardized price of goods (some goods in European countries can much more expensive even tens times compared to ones in Asia, big income vs big expenditure), plus the anomaly of some agricultural countries which in reality poor in cash, but actually can live well with their self-producing-consuming habit (people in remote and rural area), which are rarely can be found in industrialized countries.

That is because, International rankings measure Poverty as people earning less than 2$ a day. :lol:
I was reading the article, and saw that the average income of these "POOR Singaporeans" are in the range of 400$ a month. Which for other countries is already a MIDDLE INCOME salary!!

The measure should vary depending on which city/country they live in.

Some people in REMOTE Philippine provinces lives on less than 2$ a day, but they are still able to eat normally(most of them are fishermen and farmers who produces their own food), and their children sent to public schools.

if you can eat normally with that 2 dollars doesn't mean you should not be in the poor bracket already. remember aside from tuition fee there are other fees which needs money. that 2 dollar income might have several members in the family also so it h as to be divided amongts them which would render that money too little to feed the entire family. I agree that current poverty index should be revised as it is not really reflective of the real situation of each country.

^^ Nope, that's in EAST WOOD in Quezon City.

Wow, it's been way too long since I've been to Eastwood- looked like there's more buildings now, also that fountain wasn't there before..

That is because, International rankings measure Poverty as people earning less than 2$ a day. :lol:
I was reading the article, and saw that the average income of these "POOR Singaporeans" are in the range of 400$ a month. Which for other countries is already a MIDDLE INCOME salary!!

The measure should vary depending on which city/country they live in.

Some people in REMOTE Philippine provinces lives on less than 2$ a day, but they are still able to eat normally(most of them are fishermen and farmers who produces their own food), and their children sent to public schools.

400USD a month?? That's really low considering that you have to pay for rent, utilities, food especially in an expensive city like SG- of course you will be considered poor..

Seems like SSC is being blocked here in VN. Since this morning, I can only access this website using a VPN. :ohno:

my joke wasn't directed to a particular person (Patchay to be blunt haha)... No, I was suddely a kind of remembering some Malaysian Forums I visited and my chit chat with some Malaysians years ago... some of them insisted that there's no poverty in Malaysia... if there's, there would be foreigners...:)

I was naturally amazed, because I've travelled half the world and saw poverty even in the most developed countries having HDI higher and income double or triple that of Malaysia... :)

Besides the normal urban poverty like those who can't cope with Cost of Living, there's still hardcore and rural poverty in Malaysia. Our national poverty rate is around 2-3%. And apparently the poverty rate in Sabah is as high as 34%, according to sources.

Anyway let the shocking truth reveals itself... a small part of KL was submerged by flash floods yesterday. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:


Parts of Kuala Lumpur Flooded Yesterday - once or twice annual affair :lol:

http://news.asiaone.com/A1MEDIA/news/12Dec11/others/20111213.231406_flood_kl.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/376501_10151051841020788_535075787_22187894_1686703993_n.jpg

Seems like SSC is being blocked here in VN. Since this morning, I can only access this website using a VPN. :ohno:

Be careful sir bakaminamanmanankananila...

Translation: Blocking is a beautiful thing I reckon!

Port of Singapore crosses 2-billion-gross-tons milestone
http://news.asiaone.com/A1MEDIA/news/12Dec11/20111214.093004_st_portsing.jpg

The Port of Singapore celebrated a new milestone yesterday when it crossed the 2-billion- gross-tons mark in annual vessel-arrival tonnage.

This is the first time that the port has seen the gross tons of all ships that arrived in the year add up to 2 billion.Read more (http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Singapore/Story/A1Story20111214-316067.html)

Be careful sir bakaminamanmanankananila...

Translation: Blocking is a beautiful thing I reckon!

Hindibakatalagayunkayalangwalanamansilangmasabikasi walanamanakongginagawanglabagsabatas nila.

Translation: That's true!

Besides the normal urban poverty like those who can't cope with Cost of Living, there's still hardcore and rural poverty in Malaysia. Our national poverty rate is around 2-3%. And apparently the poverty rate in Sabah is as high as 34%, according to sources.

I don't wanna bother, coz it's ur country's internal affair. But . . .
:ohno: If that's true, there must be something that isn't going right (the gap is too hugeee).
And it's quite funny, since Sabah's closest neighbor, Kaltim, is undeniably the richest province in Indonesia, richer than the provinces in Java, where the capital is located.

^^ that's because the Indonesian government takes great care at wealth distribution which is most probably why Kaltim retains much of its generated income. On the other hand, Truly Asia is behaving like a Colonial Power of the 19th century (the only difference is the brown skin and asian face) :lol: which is why the natural resources of next door Sabah are being siphoned off for the benefit of the Peninsular West; much to the detriment of the locals of course.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D So when do we invade? :pepper:

^^ that's because the Indonesian government takes great care at wealth distribution which is most probably why Kaltim retains much of its generated income. On the other hand, Truly Asia is behaving like a Colonial Power of the 19th century (the only difference is the brown skin and asian face) :lol: which is why the natural resources of next door Sabah are being siphoned off for the benefit of the Peninsular West; much to the detriment of the locals of course.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D So when do we invade? :pepper:


Anytime Sir!

To your convenience, about 35% of Sabah population today are former Filipinos or Filipino immigrants.

Sabah has been neglected for many decades, but I guess things about to change judging from the projects announced this year and that their property prices have surged above national average due to COMMODITY BOOOOOMM!!



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Fernandes: KL is best Asian hub for Qantas
AFP | The Australian Financial Review | The Sydney Morning Herald | Business Times Malaysia | Dec 14, 2011

SYDNEY: Australian airline Qantas should base its Asian operations in Malaysia rather than Singapore if it is serious about expanding in the region, AirAsia chief Tony Fernandes said today.

Fernandes, who is in talks with Qantas and Malaysia Airlines on a three-way alliance, told The Australian Financial Review that a Qantas operation based in Kuala Lumpur would be the stronger option.

“Singapore is the better business hub for sure, but the majority of Singapore traffic is transit traffic — just like Dubai,” he said.

“The main thing is cost saving, avoiding wasteful competition,” he said.

Read More >>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/20111214112131/Article/index_html




AirAsia: Thai, Indonesian IPOs on schedule for Q1 2012
TheStar Biz | Business Times Malaysia | Dec 14, 2011

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2011/12/14/business/p5-airasiaqtchtp1.JPG

AIRASIA Group, Asia's biggest budget carrier, has clarified that the proposed initial public offerings (IPOs) of its Indonesian and Thailand affiliates are on schedule, and have not been delayed.

AirAsia said in a statement yesterday that its public relations team had been been misquoted in a recent interview.

AirAsia group chief executive officer Tan Sri Tony Fernandes said both IPOs were on schedule with regard to the due diligence process and obtaining regulatory approval.

Read More
>>> http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIMES/articles/aa2-2/Article/
>>> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/14/business/10089027&sec=business




A new island-styled Monaco development is coming to Langkawi:

M'sian conglomerate DRB-HICOM unveils world-class luxury holiday paradise plan for Langkawi
TheStar Biz | Dec 14, 2011

http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2011/12/14/business/p1-rebak.JPG

KUALA LUMPUR: DRB-HICOM Bhd, via its wholly-owned subsidiary, Rebak Island Marina Bhd, intends to launch a world-class luxury holiday concept property development project on Pulau Rebak in Langkawi for domestic and foreign markets.

DRB-HICOM said Pulau Rebak's strategic location and the Government's plan to upgrade the holiday haven to be on par with the world's top holiday islands would serve as a catalyst to the company's aspirations.

Read More >>> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/12/14/business/10091844&sec=business


Several new foreign multinationals would announce their investment plans in Malaysia this week.

Anytime Sir!

To your convenience, about 35% of Sabah population today are former Filipinos or Filipino immigrants.

Sabah has been neglected for many decades, but I guess things about to change judging from the projects announced this year and that their property prices have surged above national average due to COMMODITY BOOOOOMM!!



isn't that telling? your beloved truly asia began claiming sabah in 1963. since then, it is only now after many decades (your own words) that it is improving. how many decades had this island been neglected? and by whom, if i may ask?

Enjoy the Holidays. :lol: :lol: :lol: Season's Greetings from Las Filipinas, Truly Hispanic. :cool:

Here's a traditional Villancico, a Christmas Carol, from our Hispanic Heritage. :lol: :lol: :lol:
^^may collection ako nang mga christmas tree sa fb ko :D

pwede na ba itong parol na to? :D

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/391104_2565739834261_1577112731_32366235_114230546_n.jpg

Traditional Filipino Christmas Carol.

-FPqg_rQZQ4

Uploaded by philclassic on Nov 21, 2008

A traditional Filipino version of the "Villancico de Navidad" (Christmas carol) "Nacio, Nacio Pastores" in Spanish as interpreted by the Mabuhay Singers under the music supervision of Prof. Danny Holmsen.



:dj:

http://www.myparol.com/myparol/images/modern/Altair.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Parols_For_Sale.png


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tJpb58WOZjo/TsnC-lzXZjI/AAAAAAAABIs/FQ_-EbxViNM/s1600/parol+1.jpg


http://www.bacontunamelt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/temp.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Qru4Nai7Zi0/SxUyZ_QlwzI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/8Brh8AVoacA/s1600/parol4.jpg


http://pinoystaronline.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/parols1.png


http://www.reflectionsofasia.com/images/parol_capiz_--bougainvilla_2.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_a8b7S0mN5bM/TOe6QrpqyqI/AAAAAAAAAKo/Hq6uXgY9bs4/s1600/symphony+of+parols+main.png


http://216.92.187.150/Images/whats_new/2004_2005/electric_parol_012005.jpg


http://callezaragosa.com/gerryruizphotoblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/2-101203ParolsW-7470.jpg

:dance: :dance:

:dj:

isn't that telling? your beloved truly asia began claiming sabah in 1963. since then, it is only now after many decades (your own words) that it is improving. how many decades had this island been neglected? and by whom, if i may ask?

Since the beginning I've always said Sabah is neglected, but in a relative comparison with West Malaysia.

However, the neglection does not mean that KL did nothing in Sabah. There is alot of "politics", "corruption" and "disunity" there in Sabah and I guess PNoy will be even more troubled if he decides to take over Sabah.

Dealing with Sabah is probably worst than dealing with Mindanao. You heard of the political parties in Sabah?

I don't wanna bother, coz it's ur country's internal affair. But . . .
:ohno: If that's true, there must be something that isn't going right (the gap is too hugeee).
And it's quite funny, since Sabah's closest neighbor, Kaltim, is undeniably the richest province in Indonesia, richer than the provinces in Java, where the capital is located.

2-3% poverty is probably only considering the local citizens.

25-34% poverty rate estimates for Sabah could be including foreign residents in Sabah ( quite many of them ) .

Report says almost 40% of poverty ( of local citizens ) in Malaysia is in 1 single state- Sabah ,while the rest 60% of the poor are shared by 12 other states + 3 Federal territories. Quite shocking, isn't it ?

^^ that's because the Indonesian government takes great care at wealth distribution which is most probably why Kaltim retains much of its generated income. On the other hand, Truly Asia is behaving like a Colonial Power of the 19th century (the only difference is the brown skin and asian face) :lol: which is why the natural resources of next door Sabah are being siphoned off for the benefit of the Peninsular West; much to the detriment of the locals of course.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D So when do we invade? :pepper:

The problem is that ,though am not sure exactly, there are many tribal areas in Sabah. Urban Sabah has good to excellent living standards. Kota Kinabalu is 1st world amazingly-developed city I'd say, with impressive living standardsl; when I landed in KK I couldn't believe this is the capital city of the Poorest State in Malaysia :eek: :eek: Also, I believe that Kaltim produces more barrels of oil than Sabah, right ?

Sabah feels like many Latin American countries- there is huge gap between urban and rural, rich and poor. U don't see such gap in almost all other states in Malaysia . I don't know why :dunno:

Since the beginning I've always said Sabah is neglected, but in a relative comparison with West Malaysia.



However, the neglection does not mean that KL did nothing in Sabah. There is alot of "politics", "corruption" and "disunity" there in Sabah and I guess PNoy will be even more troubled if he decides to take over Sabah.


so now, are we changing the gears of our stand, is that it? it's now sabah's politics where before, it was about neglect. if the neglect was brought about by Manila instead of KL, methinks the neglect factor would take precedence over sabah's own internal issue of corrption. etc. but beyond economics, the issue of rightful sovereignty over that territory should be held as the highest consideration.


Dealing with Sabah is probably worst than dealing with Mindanao. You heard of the political parties in Sabah?

of course, it could be worse that mindanao. the issues surrounding some parts of mindanao are not a misunderstanding between to co-equal sovereigns. what we have in sabah are issues surrounding claimant countries that are internationally recognized as member states in the community of nations.

dinagdaganpangisangporsyento :D

Besides the normal urban poverty like those who can't cope with Cost of Living, there's still hardcore and rural poverty in Malaysia. Our national poverty rate is around 2-3%. And apparently the poverty rate in Sabah is as high as 34%, according to sources.



Anytime Sir!

To your convenience, about 35% of Sabah population today are former Filipinos or Filipino immigrants.

Truly Asia meets Truly Hispanic... :lol: :lol: :jk:
^^may collection ako nang mga christmas tree sa fb ko :D

pwede na ba itong parol na to? :D

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Sabah feels like many Latin American countriesWhy, thank you, sir. ;) The pleasure is all mine. I had encountered many hispanic names amongst the locals in Sabah. For indeed, Sabah is Truly Hispanic, just like the rest of Las Filipinas. :D :D :D
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Since the beginning I've always said Sabah is neglected, but in a relative comparison with West Malaysia.

However, the neglection does not mean that KL did nothing in Sabah. There is alot of "politics", "corruption" and "disunity" there in Sabah and I guess PNoy will be even more troubled if he decides to take over Sabah.

Dealing with Sabah is probably worst than dealing with Mindanao. You heard of the political parties in Sabah?Of course, KL did something in Sabah. :lol: It siphoned off all the wealth of that state for the benefit of the Peninsular West. Hadn't you yourself posted the environmental destruction of the Sabah rainforest here before? ;)

The political parties in Sabah will undergo a drastic change in the future and will no longer be based on race and religion.
so now, are we changing the gears of our stand, is that it? it's now sabah's politics where before, it was about neglect. if the neglect was brought about by Manila instead of KL, methinks the neglect factor would take precedence over the corruption issue. but beyond economics, the issue of rightful sovereignty over that territory should be held as the highest consideration.



of course, it could be worse that mindanao. the issues surrounding some parts of mindanao are not a misunderstanding between to co-equal sovereigns. what we have in sabah are issues surrounding claimant countries that are internationally recognized as member states in the community of nations. methinks a lot of backpedalling is in the works for some, old boy. :lol: :lol: :lol: Indeed, we had caught a big fish by its own mouth with some good ol' traditional hooks, if I may say so.

^^ My comments are always frank and objective. Minus some sarcasm.





Anyway, let's take a look at:

DILI, capital of Timor Leste, a future member of ASEAN

Informação/Information
Population:151.000(2004)
Language:Tetun,Português
Settled: 1520
District: Dili District
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%ADli
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dili

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Aerials view
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Panoramio Ian Stehbens

Ministry of Internal and Foreign Affairs Building constructed by China as a gift to Timor-Leste
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Panoramio Ian Stehbens

Port Of Dilí
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Panoramio lucianaomshanti

Government House
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Embassy of Portugal
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Airport of Dilí
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Panoramio Ian Stehbens

Outdoor in Dilí
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Writing on the wall in Portuguese, celebrating the indepence of Timor-Leste
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Home of José Ramos-Horta, President of Timor Leste
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Panoramio Ian Stehbens

Catholic Church
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Santa Cruz Cemetery
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I think in the future, there should be frank talks about Sabah between the Philippine and the Malaysian governments.

Anyway- missing PHL for Christmas....

that's exactly like today's situation brother...does our approval to receive 24 F16 and AUS flights mean we're leaning towards US block? NO....:)

C'mon bro we cannt compared "barang bekas" F-16 early series with TU-16 badger, the beast in its era and Mig-21 not to mention they give us in big number.

The USSR also give us GOR bung Karno, which's still the largest stadium in South East Asia

C'mon bro we cannt compared "barang bekas" F-16 early series with TU-16 badger, the beast in its era and Mig-21 not to mention they give us in big number.

The USSR also give us GOR bung Karno, which's still the largest stadium in South East Asia


They GAVE us??? those toys and GOR were NOT FREE....they were loans (though Sukarno hardly paid before he fell from power)...while F16 and AUS airplanes are supposed to be free...why can't we compare them?.. Indonesia was a neutral country where both US and USSR blocks tried to attract it...

For example, though Indonesia used USSR toys during Indonesia-Dutch war over Papua, US and AUS actually were on our side, they also forced the Dutch to leave Papua...

Indonesia was ever close to both US and USSR block sometimes in its history, but it never became one of those blocks or lean too much...from my perspective, it only tries to take advantages from the competition between two blocks, during US vs USSR and now US vs China...

according to the news, some parts of sumatra might get flooded as well soon due to heavy rain... :(

btw, what about the smart tunnel in KL? it's supposed to deal with flood right?


Besides the normal urban poverty like those who can't cope with Cost of Living, there's still hardcore and rural poverty in Malaysia. Our national poverty rate is around 2-3%. And apparently the poverty rate in Sabah is as high as 34%, according to sources.

Anyway let the shocking truth reveals itself... a small part of KL was submerged by flash floods yesterday. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:


Parts of Kuala Lumpur Flooded Yesterday - once or twice annual affair :lol:

http://news.asiaone.com/A1MEDIA/news/12Dec11/others/20111213.231406_flood_kl.jpg
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It's weird that South East Asia is getting more rains in December.....
or is that normal in December?

weather is really f***ed up this year.. Our temperature here is 15 degrees above average - giving us warmer winters (which is really unusual, but I'm not really complaining! actually i like it :D)

maybe that's why Canada is withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol.. global warming is actually an advantage for the country :lol: (just kidding!!)

From Jakarta Post

http://www.thejakartapost.com/files/images2/marty1.jpg

Friend first: Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario, right, shows the way to Indonesian counterpart Marty Natalegawa after making their joint statement on the Joint Commission for Bilateral Cooperation Wednesday, Dec in suburban Pasay City, south of Manila, Philippines. The two countries agreed to continuously energize and invigorate bilateral relations through a broad-ranging review and updating of old agreements and the structured implementation of various areas of cooperation.(AP /Pat Roque)

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/12/14/friend-first.html

This is a huge amount! Terima kasih Indonesia .

Citra to invest add'l $1.5B in Phl (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=66&articleId=758075)



Citra to invest add'l $1.5B in Phl
By Zinnia B. Dela Peña (The Philippine Star) Updated December 14, 2011 12:00 AM Comments (0) View comments

MANILA, Philippines - The Citra Group of Indonesia is ready to invest an additional $1.5 billion for tollroad projects in the Philippines, including Stages 3 and 4 of the Metro Manila Skyway project as well as planned acquisitions.

In a briefing yesterday, PT Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada Tbk president Shadik Wahono said the group formed a new holding company, AAI, to own the shares of four Indonesian firms – Citra Marga Nusaphala Persada, Citra Lamtoro Gung Persada, Bhaskara Duniajaya and Matra Sarana Arsitama in Skyway concessionare Citra Metro Manila Tollways Corp. (CMMTC).

Wahono said the group has submitted to the government a proposal to undertake Stage 3 of the Skyway project, reaffirming its confidence in the Philippine economy. It just completed Skyway Stage 2 ahead of schedule in March this year in partnership with the Philippine National Construction Corp.

My brother in law is sabahan and we have a lot of relatives in sabah..no offence to my filipino friend..sabah will never agree to join Philippine..if it have chance to be free from malaysia the only choice it want is to form a republic country and sabah is rather to stay inside Malaysia than be part of Philippines..ironically almost 40% of sabah resident now are immigrant from Mindanao..to prove it may be the poorest state in Malaysia but it still attracting place for some people from neighboring country...

I know sabah mean a lot to Philippines...but it mean a lot to Malaysian too..half of my relative is there and i cant imagine if we lost sabah...Please respect the sabahan choice and if you still think sabah is part of Philippines and it want be part of Philippines ask your government to push UN do referendum there...and i will respect the sabahan choice :)

My brother in law is sabahan and we have a lot of relatives in sabah..no offence to my filipino friend..sabah will never agree to join Philippine..if it have chance to be free from malaysia the only choice it want is to form a republic country and sabah is rather to stay inside Malaysia than be part of Philippines..ironically almost 40% of sabah resident now are immigrant from Mindanao..to prove it may be the poorest state in Malaysia but it still attracting place for some people from neighboring country...

I know sabah mean a lot to Philippines...but it mean a lot to Malaysian too..half of my relative is there and i cant imagine if we lost sabah...Please respect the sabahan choice and if you still think sabah is part of Philippines and it want be part of Philippines ask your government to push PBB do referendum there...and i will respect the sabahan choice :)

Well, this is the case, obviously we don't own the people there- that would be silly right?- but the territory is ours, so please respect our historical and legal right on our own territory. ;)

respect DATUISM and MUSLIM CULTURE, sabah is truly owned by the philippines as a gift to datu of jolo, if muslim law applies, sabah is on the philippine territory, but if legality speaks, sabah is in malaysia according to UN

Well, this is the case, obviously we don't own the people there- that would be silly right?- but the territory is ours, so please respect our historical and legal right on our own territory. ;)

very very well said...we were n0t claiming the people there but claiming the land of Sultinate of sulu..

My brother in law is sabahan and we have a lot of relatives in sabah..no offence to my filipino friend..sabah will never agree to join Philippine..if it have chance to be free from malaysia the only choice it want is to form a republic country and sabah is rather to stay inside Malaysia than be part of Philippines..ironically almost 40% of sabah resident now are immigrant from Mindanao..to prove it may be the poorest state in Malaysia but it still attracting place for some people from neighboring country...

I know sabah mean a lot to Philippines...but it mean a lot to Malaysian too..half of my relative is there and i cant imagine if we lost sabah...Please respect the sabahan choice and if you still think sabah is part of Philippines and it want be part of Philippines ask your government to push UN do referendum there...and i will respect the sabahan choice :)

wether you agree or not you cannot change the fact the sabah is part of the philippines. Sabah's fate/ownership is not for you or your relatives to decide there's historical/territorial laws to tackle it.

^^ As I already said, like modern accounting laws/standards, if applied by legality, the lessee gets the right and obligation for Sabah, which means in this case Sabah has been transferred to the British hands, thus Sulu has no claim for it. The so-called current "Sultan of Sulu" is not a constituted monarchy or royalty or whatever, thus his ability to lay claim on Sabah is quite ambiguous.

And by other laws and means, Sabah will still be rightfully belonged to Malaysia.

And in a modern democracy and in accordance with the international charter, the rights of the people to choose (for example via referendum) takes precedence over other ambiguous historical links.

Just like the custody of a child between divorced parents, the Court may see whichever party (Malaysia or Philippines) that is best to provide for the son (in this case Sabah) has a clear advantage than the other.

my 2 cents :cheers:

mabuhay indonesia

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/241674/news/nation/indonesia-supports-phl-stand-on-spratlys

A phoney referendum held under duress and the watchful eyes of the rattan cane . In case my paisanos are not familiar with it since we do not practice it, the rattan cane is a powerful tool used by some southeast asian cultures to punish, subjugate and beat people.

He refuses to honour a signed document which is still there as a tangible piece of evidence and merely shrugs it off as "ambiguous". As for that other character who claims to be from Sabah, FYI you are not the only citizen there. :lol: The indigenous Tausugs were there long before your parents migrated to the place from the peninsular west. ;)

when the time is ripe and our government gets itself organized, we wish to see the Respondent hauled before the International Court of Justice. :) That is the final arbiter, not some people who know nothing of the Law and the honouring of Lease documents. ;) However, we do expect the Respondent (as always) to refuse to submit to the International Court of Justice... hehehe
wether you agree or not you cannot change the fact the sabah is part of the philippines. Sabah's fate/ownership is not for you or your relatives to decide there's historical/territorial laws to tackle it.

very very well said...we were n0t claiming the people there but claiming the land of Sultinate of sulu..

respect DATUISM and MUSLIM CULTURE, sabah is truly owned by the philippines as a gift to datu of jolo, if muslim law applies, sabah is on the philippine territory, but if legality speaks, sabah is in malaysia according to UN

Well, this is the case, obviously we don't own the people there- that would be silly right?- but the territory is ours, so please respect our historical and legal right on our own territory. ;)

This is taken from a rebel site, but still they complain of brutality. :lol: ... from their benefactor. :lol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XXb_fyxgiWg/Sj0K4S_o95I/AAAAAAAAAXI/gKLiuWGNeJ0/S220/whipiiiii.jpg

“...whipping is not the antidote of the problem...By whipping thousands of Sulus each year, the government is in effect potentially creating thousands of enemies. And of those who were whipped, half of them had been used to handling weapons.” Asreemoro or Asreesulu, Tausug and the Sulu Sultanate Pg. 205

"Urges the Malaysian government to rid the country of this cruel punishment...Whipping someone with a cane is cruel, inhuman and degrading, and international standards make clear that such treatment constitutes torture...The practice is humiliating, and causes such pain that people have reportedly fainted. Those caned often carry scars, psychological as well as physical, for years,"Amnesty International, London-based Human Rights Group.

"The punishment of whipping is defined as torture and hence we should not in any way condone it." Nora Murat, Malaysia Executive Director, Amnesty International, Sunday, July 26, 2009

mabuhay indonesia

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/241674/news/nation/indonesia-supports-phl-stand-on-spratlys

Indonesia supports PHL stand on Spratlys
December 14, 2011 6:07pm
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Indonesia is keeping its support for the Philippine proposal to delineate and segregate the disputed parts of the West Philippine Sea from the undisputed areas in drafting the Code of Conduct that will bind countries with territorial claims in the Spratlys group of islands.

Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said the guidance from the ASEAN Summits is how to link the Philippine proposal for a Zone of Peace, Freedom and Cooperation to the drafting of the Code of Conduct in 2012.

“We don’t move out of the script from what has already been (agreed upon)," Natalegawa said at the conclusion on Wednesday of the 5th Joint Commission for Bilateral Cooperation between Indonesia and the Philippines.

:cheers: That's right. Good move Jakarta.

^^ I wonder why Sabah is hotly discussed here. PH government since Estrada, Ramos, GMA, Aquino have not been pushing the issue. I didn't see any news about Sabah. Although I know that PH claim is still there but it is not being raised nor asked. :)

Anyway, I'm more happy with this....

Indonesia to Be Next Home of the Original Hamburger With Signing of Johnny Rockets Franchise Agreement
All-American Restaurant Chain to Open Five Restaurants in Next Five Years
Read more (http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/12/4117403/indonesia-to-be-next-home-of-the.html)


Cool. Manila has 3 Johnny Rockets restaurants: Eastwood, Tomas Morato and Robinson's Galleria.

I love the ambiance inside the restaurant. Their servers do the dancing, too.
PH Johnny Rockets oulet
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Fourth Johnny Rockets Restaurant Opens in the Philippines
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Home of the All-American Food and Fun Comes to Metro Manila's Newest Dining Hot Spot
JOHNNY ROCKETS LOGO Johnny Rockets logo 2011. (PRNewsFoto/Johnny Rockets) ALISO VIEJO, CA UNITED STATES

ALISO VIEJO, Calif., Dec. 14, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Franchise Owner, Camamiq Foods, Inc., today opened its newest Johnny Rockets restaurant at Burgos Circle dining complex, located in Forbes Town Center in Taguig City, Philippines in Metro Manila. Joining three other Johnny Rockets they own, in nearby Quezon City, the Company's American cuisine and atmosphere have become local favorites since opening, two years ago. By the end of January, they plan to open their fifth Johnny Rockets restaurant at Alabang Town Center, in southern Metro Manila.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/fourth-johnny-rockets-restaurant-opens-in-the-philippines-135625908.html

The Philippines is more Americanized unlike our ASEAN neighbours. So we are more used to its culture especially those working in Johnny Rockets.

^^ I love it when the crew would do their "dancing". The price of burger is expensive though, P250++ (US$6)

I like their mini jukebox, you can put your coins and play old songs. :)


Here's a video of their dance
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^^ I love it when the crew would do their "dancing". The price of burger is expensive though, P250++ (US$6)

I like their mini jukebox, you can put your coins and play old songs. :)


Here's a video of their dance

But the quality is still good! And it is much cheaper compared to P450 at Hard Rock Cafe.

^^ I wonder why Sabah is hotly discussed here. PH government since Estrada, Ramos, GMA, Aquino have not been pushing the issue. I didn't see any news about Sabah. Although I know that PH claim is still there but it is not being raised nor asked. :)



Because PHL govt doesnt want to offend Malaysian govt. But just because it isn't discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. ;)

Because PHL govt doesnt want to offend Malaysian govt. But just because it isn't discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. ;)

So, that's the premise. What would be our reasons here in SSC of raising the issue of Sabah? To offend our Malaysian friends?

I think it's enough that they know that the Sabah claim is still there....no need to push the issue, right?

So, that's the premise. What would be our reasons here in SSC of raising the issue of Sabah? To offend our Malaysian friends?

I think it's enough that they know that the Sabah claim is still there....no need to push the issue, right?

To offend? Being offended is an offshoot of not being able to understand what we feel and think. True friends understand. This is a forum after all right? In forums, people discuss issues and not just give each other a pat in the back and give compliments with each other. Otherwise, this would wind up a boring thread and no one will come here.

On business side, I think with the entry of Air Asia into PH market, the opening of Tune Hotels, the success of Resorts World and the construction of more REsorts World in PH, the successful Shang-rila Mall, hotels, apartments, St. Giles of Malaysia, more Malaysian tourists would take a look at the Philippines in the NEAR FUTURE. The middle class and rich Malaysians are big spenders, too.

WE would want them to our shores......:cheers:

To offend? Being offended is an offshoot of not being able to understand what we feel and think. True friends understand. This is a forum after all right? In forums, people discuss issues and not just give each other a pat in the back and give compliments with each other. Otherwise, this would wind up a boring thread and no one will come here.

The Sabah issue has no end. So, one side is pushing this while another side is pushing that argument. It will only lead to conflict.

What's the objective? Isn't it enough that both sides know about one's position, I mean this has been known for SO LONG. Since Marcos, no government dared to raise the issue of Sabah to date. That's a fact and I hope all Filipinos are aware of that Sabah claim, too.

^^ But I don't want them to become to accustomed here in the future. Well, lately, foreigners have been caught doing crimes in the country. Drunk driving, credit card cloning and such. More headache for the police now that they don't just have to deal with Filipino criminals but a new batch of foreign law breakers. We need to improve law enforcement here as tourism booms.

But the quality is still good! And it is much cheaper compared to P450 at Hard Rock Cafe.

I had a dinner at Hard Rock Cafe 3 weeks ago. They still sell Nasi Goreng and Satay Chicken and Beef :)

The Sabah issue has no end. So, one side is pushing this while another side is pushing that argument. It will only lead to conflict.

What's the objective? Isn't it enough that both sides know about one's position, I mean this has been known for SO LONG. Since Marcos, no government dared to raise the issue of Sabah to date. That's a fact and I hope all Filipinos are aware of that Sabah claim, too.

Still, we come to forums to articulate our opinion in the issue. Everyone has to have their piece to say. The issue may be dormant but I don't there is anything wrong with discussing it here. Being offended is not our fault, it's a statement, take it or go away.

^^ But I don't want them to become to accustomed here in the future. Well, lately, foreigners have been caught doing crimes in the country. Drunk driving, credit card cloning and such. More headache for the police now that they don't just have to deal with Filipino criminals but a new batch of foreign law breakers. We need to improve law enforcement here as tourism booms.

Well, those Taiwanese/Chinese credit card scammers were caught. Drunk drivers were mostly the Koreans. Koreans love to drink. They are the exceptions to over a million Koreans and Chinese (combined) who visit the country. Let's not highlight the exceptions but the good things that these tourists do to our country's economy.

:cheers:

Sabah is belong to Malaysia, the whole world recognize that Sabah is legally part of Malaysian Federation and not a dispute territory. Even International Court of Justice acknowledged this by giving Sipadan and Ligitan to Malaysia :)

Btw the essential factor that made Malaysia won those islands in ICJ is because the people live in those islands said they want to be part of Malaysia..

So the decision to whom is Sabah belong to depend on Sabahan :cheers:

^^ point of order, the case has not been brought before the ICJ yet because Malaysia refuses. The referendum mentioned was under the UN, which was a different matter.

Since you admitted you barely speak English, it would be wise to refrain yourself from discussions such as these. We do not provide free English lessons here. :lol: :lol:
Because PHL govt doesnt want to offend Malaysian govt. But just because it isn't discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. ;) Unfortunately, successive governments on our side had relegated it to the archives. "Bilateral relations" are more important these days than either national patrimony and historical accuracy. For more reading, please have a closer look at the last 3 paragraphs to this link, it explains the choices made by several administrations. :) Whilst we patiently await for the return of our other compatriots, the Archangel @bukid and the Archangel @The Avenger ... ;)

http://www.jpenrile.com/advocacies/article.asp?advocacy=reforms&folder=speech&article=007

Sabah is belong to Malaysia, the whole world recognize that Sabah is legally part of Malaysian Federation and not a dispute territory. Even International Court of Justice acknowledged this by giving Sipadan and Ligitan to Malaysia :)

Btw the essential factor that made Malaysia won those islands in ICJ is because the people live in those islands said they want to be part of Malaysia..

So the decision to whom is Sabah belong to depend on Sabahan :cheers:

As I said, it's a never ending debate. You will claim Sabah as part of Malaysia and PH would assert its right over Sabah. There's no end in sight, but you should remember that until now, PH has not been active in their claim of Sabah....we don't know the end of this silence and inactivity.
I don't want ASEAN to be marred again by dispute....

^^ point of order, the case has not been brought before the ICJ yet because Malaysia refuses. The referendum mentioned was under the UN, which was a different matter.

Unfortunately, successive governments on our side had relegated it to the archives. "Bilateral relations" are more important these days than either national patrimony and historical accuracy. For more reading, please have a closer look at the last 3 paragraphs to this link, it explains the choices made by several administrations. :) Whilst we patiently await for the return of our other compatriots, the Archangel @bukid and the Archangel @The Avenger ... ;)


http://www.jpenrile.com/advocacies/article.asp?advocacy=reforms&folder=speech&article=007

Thanks for the link. A good reference. Yes, you're right. ICJ or International Court of Justice is yet to handle the case.

The Sabah issue has no end. So, one side is pushing this while another side is pushing that argument. It will only lead to conflict.

What's the objective? Isn't it enough that both sides know about one's position, I mean this has been known for SO LONG. Since Marcos, no government dared to raise the issue of Sabah to date. That's a fact and I hope all Filipinos are aware of that Sabah claim, too.

I don't think the younger Malaysians know. It is important to keep talking about it otherwise it will be consigned to the dustbin of history- and we know what happens to those who forget their history...

Still, we come to forums to articulate our opinion in the issue. Everyone has to have their piece to say. The issue may be dormant but I don't there is anything wrong with discussing it here. Being offended is not our fault, it's a statement, take it or go away.



Right. :cheers:

Well, those Taiwanese/Chinese credit card scammers were caught. Drunk drivers were mostly the Koreans. Koreans love to drink. They are the exceptions to over a million Koreans and Chinese (combined) who visit the country. Let's not highlight the exceptions but the good things that these tourists do to our country's economy.

:cheers:



Kidnap gangs happen in Manila- Koreans targeting Koreans, Indians targeting Indians, Chinese targeting Chinese. And Philippines gets the blame.:ohno:

Sabah is belong to Malaysia, the whole world recognize that Sabah is legally part of Malaysian Federation and not a dispute territory. Even International Court of Justice acknowledged this by giving Sipadan and Ligitan to Malaysia :)

Btw the essential factor that made Malaysia won those islands in ICJ is because the people live in those islands said they want to be part of Malaysia..

So the decision to whom is Sabah belong to depend on Sabahan :cheers:


Where's the ICJ ruling saying Sabah belongs to Malaysia? Please post the link please. Territory is under dispute. To say that Sabah belongs to whoever Sabahans wants is like saying California belongs to Mexico because there are a lot of Mexicans there.

Since you admitted you barely speak English, it would be wise to refrain yourself from discussions such as these. We do not provide free English lessons here. :lol: :lol:

All fellow Malaysian should defend Sabah so I will voice out my opinion even though my English is not perfect like you :)

@ xxxriainxxx: Majority of Sabahan are native Sabahan (some of their ancestors has lived in there way long before Sultanate Sulu existed) and immigrant from Philippines. The people from peninsular that migrate and live in Sabah is at most only 10% of the population. I don't know about California, it is not my country. I believe majority of Californian do not want to be part of Mexico.

All fellow Malaysian should defend Sabah so I will voice out my opinion even though my English is not perfect like you :)



It's nice that you can express in relatively correct/good English bro.

^^ The man who moves a mountain begins by carrying small stones - Chinese proverb

You wont be perfect in English overnight....:)

Fishery Exports: Amazing Thailand..... they earned so big for fishery exports, US$6.89 Billion!

1. Thailand at $6.89 billion
2. India at $2.84 billion
3. Indonesia at $2.55 billion
4. Philippines, US$630 Million

Phl 4th in fishery exports in Asia as markets shift
By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated December 15, 2011 12:00 AM Comments

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga, Philippines – The Philippines ranks fourth in Asia in fishery product exports in an international fishery trade now shifting to “non-traditional” markets.

In the First Congress of the Integrated Services for the Development of Aguaculture (ISDA) held here yesterday, Remedios Ontangco of the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR) noted that “in international fisheries trade, the positive trend continued in 2010 , but has now changed direction along global financial status.”

She cited a recent projection made by of international fisheries trade analysts showing that by 2020, the top five fisheries retail markets would be the US, China, Japan, India and Russia.

“During the first quarter of this year, imports increased in traditional developed markets. But by mid 2011, the growth rates slowed down particularly in Europe and in the US markets,” she said.

Ontangco noted, however, an increase of fishery product exports from China, Norway, Thailand, Vietnam, India, and Malaysia “through market diversification where aquaculture played an important role.”

She said these emerging markets are in Asia, Latin America, and Africa.

But Ontangco reported that while Asia now supplies 91 percent of the world’s demand for fishery products, the Philippines is outranked by three Asian neighbors in the value of their exports.



http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=66&articleId=758428

@ xxxriainxxx: Majority of Sabahan are native Sabahan (some of their ancestors has lived in there way long before Sultanate Sulu existed) and immigrant from Philippines. The people from peninsular that migrate and live in Sabah is at most only 10% of the population. I don't know about California, it is not my country. I believe majority of Californian do not want to be part of Mexico.

I think you missed the point here- like a squatter on someone else's land, it doesn't matter how long you have stayed there, but who the land rightfully belong and its resources exploited.

You haven't been able to produce a single link about an ICJ ruling. I am waiting.

RonnieR, as long as this dispute's never settled with acceptable conditions- this will remain a major irritant between Malaysia and the Philippines. Malaysia uses Sabah as the basis for their claim on the Kalayaan Islands.

The landgrab just would not stop.

Fishery Exports:

1. Thailand at $6.89 billion
2. India at $2.84 billion
3. Indonesia at $2.55 billion
4. Philippines, US$630 Million

Phl 4th in fishery exports in Asia as markets shift
By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated December 15, 2011 12:00 AM Comments

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga, Philippines – The Philippines ranks fourth in Asia in fishery product exports in an international fishery trade now shifting to “non-traditional” markets.





http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?publicationSubCategoryId=66&articleId=758428

Fish catches are dwindling. Our oceans are overfished. But then I am sure you are not worried about it. To think of we are at the apex of the Coral Triangle.

The USSR also give us GOR bung Karno, which's still the largest stadium in South East Asia

Didn't know that this Jakarta stadium was donated by USSR....this thread is educational in a way. Thanks.

I was just thinking of The Badjaus. The Badjaus here are better off fishing rather than begging in Manila's streets. They more belong in the sea.

On the other hand, the Badjaus native to Malaysia are better off.

@ xxxriainxxx: In the Malaysian and worlds eyes, the squatters ARE the filipinos..:)

Regarding to ICJ, there is no direct ruling on Sabah. But if Sabah is a dispute territory why Malaysia able to win the Sipadan and Ligitan case since the party that brought up the case is between Malaysian government and Indonesia government not between Sabah government and Indonesia government. And we know Malaysia government use Sabah as the basis to claim those islands :cheers:

I think you missed the point here- like a squatter on someone else's land, it doesn't matter how long you have stayed there, but who the land rightfully belong and its resources exploited.

You haven't been able to produce a single link about an ICJ ruling. I am waiting.

RonnieR, as long as this dispute's never settled with acceptable conditions- this will remain a major irritant between Malaysia and the Philippines. Malaysia uses Sabah as the basis for their claim on the Kalayaan Islands.

The landgrab just would not stop.

So much discussion about Sabah, but the mainstream media never talked about it. The government, as I said, never raised the issue. They have other problems to attend to: Supreme Court Chief Justice was impeached by the Lower House, GMA house arrest, former Comelec Chairman Abalas is IN JAIL! Can't imagine these things are happening in PH now. Soon, the corrupt Generals will be put in jail, hundreds of tax evaders were charged in court. Cheers.

^^In the Malaysian and worlds eyes, the squatters is the filipinos..:)

Regarding to ICJ, there is no direct ruling on Sabah. But if Sabah is a dispute territory why Malaysia able to win the Sipadan and Ligitan case since the party that brought up the case is between Malaysian government and Indonesia government not between Sabah government and Indonesia government. And we know Malaysia use Sabah as the basis to claim those islands :cheers:

squatters are (not is).:)

Yeah, obviously but in the eyes of PH, Malaysia is the land grabber, unauthorized occupant of Sabah.

^^Thank you for your kind help :)

As much as possible, let us avoid The Sabah issue of any issues that can cause conflicts of interests.

@ xxxriainxxx: In the Malaysian and worlds eyes, the squatters ARE the filipinos..:)

Regarding to ICJ, there is no direct ruling on Sabah. But if Sabah is a dispute territory why Malaysia able to win the Sipadan and Ligitan case since the party that brought up the case is between Malaysian government and Indonesia government not between Sabah government and Indonesia government. And we know Malaysia government use Sabah as the basis to claim those islands :cheers:

Only a few of us are.

My brother in law is sabahan and we have a lot of relatives in sabah..no offence to my filipino friend..sabah will never agree to join Philippine..if it have chance to be free from malaysia the only choice it want is to form a republic country and sabah is rather to stay inside Malaysia than be part of Philippines..ironically almost 40% of sabah resident now are immigrant from Mindanao..to prove it may be the poorest state in Malaysia but it still attracting place for some people from neighboring country...

I know sabah mean a lot to Philippines...but it mean a lot to Malaysian too..half of my relative is there and i cant imagine if we lost sabah...Please respect the sabahan choice and if you still think sabah is part of Philippines and it want be part of Philippines ask your government to push UN do referendum there...and i will respect the sabahan choice :)

Taking a territorial dispute to the World Court should be mutually agreed upon by both parties, in this case Malaysia and the Philippines. The Philippines have always wanted this matter to be brought in the ICJ but Malaysia does not want. The Philippines can do nothing about this because unilateral filing in the ICJ is not accepted in the ICJ with regards to resolving territorial disputes.

^^ Census in 2010 found that there are more than 800k of immigrants in Sabah where the majority of them are filipinos..:)

this case is really easy to solve.. take it to the ICJ...
(which Malaysia perpetually refuses.. )

As much as possible, let us avoid The Sabah issue of any issues that can cause conflicts of interests.

^^ Census in 2010 found that there are more than 800k of immigrants in Sabah where the majority of them are filipinos..:)

The Mod has spoken....avoid Sabah...move on lah....Malaysia Boleh, Filipina Boleh, semua boleh. :cheers:

^^ Census in 2010 found that there are more than 800k of immigrants in Sabah where the majority of them are filipinos..:)

On a lighter note, I met a worker at KLCC's Aquaria. He knew that we're Filipinos and he suddenly talked to us in Tagalog (heavy accent). I asked him (Zaiful) if he's from the PH, he said he is from Sabah and his parents are from Mindanao. :) He can still speak Tagalog. I was surprised.

^^ The problem is Malaysian do not see Sabah as a dispute territory...only Philippines see it that way :)

Even in Sabah state assembly the people representative refuse to discuss about the position of Sabah as they feel that is absurd :)

Honestly I am not against Filipino or hate you guys, in fact I have a filipino friend in my office :)....It just that I see Sabah position as a fellow Malaysian.

^^ The problem is Malaysian do not see Sabah as a dispute territory...only Philippines see it that way :)

Even in Sabah state assembly the people representative refuse to discuss about the position of Sabah as they feel that is absurd :)

Didn't you get it? why PH sees that way? or you don't wanna stop discussing about Sabah?

^^ All this hoo haa is started by your own fellow countryman..Even though this thread in filipinos section but still it is open to all SSC member including Malaysian. So better to discuss Sabah issue in your language only where only filipinos could understand and wont offend people from other country

squatters are (not is).:)

Yeah, obviously but in the eyes of PH, Malaysia is the land grabber, unauthorized occupant of Sabah.

Land grabbing seems to be an issue amongst the Indonesians as well. :D

@ xxxriainxxx: In the Malaysian and worlds eyes, the squatters ARE the filipinos..:)

Regarding to ICJ, there is no direct ruling on Sabah. But if Sabah is a dispute territory why Malaysia able to win the Sipadan and Ligitan case since the party that brought up the case is between Malaysian government and Indonesia government not between Sabah government and Indonesia government. And we know Malaysia government use Sabah as the basis to claim those islands :cheers:

LOL. How can we be squatters in our own land? That's absurd. :lol::lol::lol:

World's eyes? Don't stretch the truth. :lol::lol::lol:


Taking a territorial dispute to the World Court should be mutually agreed upon by both parties, in this case Malaysia and the Philippines. The Philippines have always wanted this matter to be brought in the ICJ but Malaysia does not want. The Philippines can do nothing about this because unilateral filing in the ICJ is not accepted in the ICJ with regards to resolving territorial disputes.


Miriam Santiago is going to be in ICJ yes? Or was it ICC? :dunno: :lol::lol:


^^ All this hoo haa is started by your own fellow countryman..Even though this thread in filipinos section but still it is open to all SSC member including Malaysian. So better to discuss Sabah issue in your language only where only filipinos could understand and wont offend people from other country


Offend other country? Uhm, you are telling us now not to discuss it in whatever language we wanted to because it goes against your opinion? It's like inviting yourself into somebody's house and telling the house owner not to offend you. I don't know where you came from, and I don't know how your parents raised you but in my book, that's very RUDE.

Sorry if you think I am rude, I don't mean that :)

Anyway here is good trailer movie made by Filipinos that won screen award in Australia :cheers:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/239282/pinoyabroad/pinoy-film-halaw-wins-screen-award-in-australia

Pinoy film 'Halaw' wins screen award in Australia

Filipino filmmaker Sheron Dayoc's movie "Halaw" won the 2011 Asia Pacific Screen Awards' (APSA) Network for the Promotion of Asian Cinema (NETPAC) award in Australia last November 17.

A news release of the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said the film represents the multi-cultural groupings of Mindanao, bound by an opportunity to earn a living.

"Written, produced and directed by Dayoc, 'Halaw' follows the journey of a kaleidoscope of characters hoping for a better life in Sabah, Malaysia, despite the dangers of illegal immigration and the uncertainty of a true job in Malaysia," the DFA said.

The trailer:

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Opinions on foreign relations reflect the complexity of ties between different countries- it's not black and white, there are a lot of grey areas. To hastily summarise PHL relations with its 'wealthier' neighbours in such simplistic manner is absolutely preposterous.

Malaysia and Philippine relations for one is very complex, it's stupid to bring it down to the level of 'Oh I got a Filipino friend at work' - well, I am friends with the Malaysian Ambassador and his family BUT that does not mean that I would have to agree with their positions all the time. Friends disagree and it's fine - we are all adults with enough knowledge to present and defend our opinions.

Sorry if you think I am rude, I don't mean that :)

To set the record straight I don't hate your country, or your countrymen - but there are obviously things we cannot see eye to eye.(I cannot hate a country whose food I am absolutely crazy about. :yes:) And it's okay. Reason why this thread is becoming popular is because of the spirited discussions here from different points of views.

So :cheers:

Miriam Santiago is going to be in ICJ yes? Or was it ICC? :dunno: :lol::lol:

She has been elected as judge in the International Criminal Court. We will be seeing her mostly in CNN, Al-Jazeera and other news channels because this is the court that handles cases like war crimes, crimes against humanity and etc. These cases are headlines in cable news channels. On trial there is the deposed ex-president of Ivory Coast Laurent Gbagbo and several others :cheers:

She has been elected as judge in the International Criminal Court. We will be seeing her mostly in CNN, Al-Jazeera and other news channels because this is the court that handles cases like war crimes, crimes against humanity and etc. On trial there is the deposed ex-president of Ivory Coast Laurent Gbagbo and several others :cheers:

Dang it. Wrong court. Dapat sa ICJ sya. HEHEHE.

As a judge she wont necessarily be interviewed though because she needs to be impartial.

^^The trial of Laurent Gbagbo was shown live in Al-Jazeera. I will definitely miss Miriam and the Senate will be boring without her.