^^ I am with Mr Branson yes and since he took over NTL the service has been awful.
It's also bloody expensive. In our student house with 4 of us it costs £7 a month each. Split between 4 people is £28 a month just for the internet.
Does that sound expensive?

That comment must make me sound like a right tight arse. We used to have a secure network aswell until we got cut off. Since we've been reconnected it's unsecure now and our connection is alot slower than it used to be.
I don't know how to secure it. Does anyone on here know how to do it?

That comment must make me sound like a right tight arse. We used to have a secure network aswell until we got cut off. Since we've been reconnected it's unsecure now and our connection is alot slower than it used to be.
I don't know how to secure it. Does anyone on here know how to do it?Tight arse definitely not, especially as we are not getting what we are paying for .. an "always on" service :mad:

As for securing your network, what router are you using? I might be able to help there :)


BG

From BBC:

Call for Indian embassy in region
An Indian community centre in Nottingham is calling for an embassy to be set up in the city to serve the East Midlands and South Yorkshire.
Over the last year the number of visa applications for holidays to India have doubled and centre managers say growth in demand calls for a permanent base.

People in the East Midlands currently apply to Birmingham or London or attend a mobile surgery visiting Nottingham.

Many believe a regional centre would be far more convenient.

Surinder Kaur Samra of the Indian Community Centre in New Basford said: "If we have them locally then people don't necessarily have to take the time off work. They can come here, get a number, get their passport checked, hand it in, go off, have a walk round and come back again and pick up the passports."

The mobile service currently issues up to 500 visas a day, in a process which can take up to two hours,

Aranpreet Kaur Purewal, one of the volunteers said: "It just opens it up, because one thing that puts people off is actually the whole procedure - visas, and this money and those forms. So it's just one way easier for people to see India."

Leicester has been wanting an Indian visa office for ages, considering the Indian community in the city is the largest in the region. We also have a regular 'mobile' visa surgery too.

It seems the Indian High Commission or whoever are not really intereseted? :dunno: There are places outside of London and Birmingham too.

Tight arse definitely not, especially as we are not getting what we are paying for .. an "always on" service :mad:

As for securing your network, what router are you using? I might be able to help there :)


BG

Im not sure what type of router it is :dunno:
It's black and fairly small.

:lol: ^^ Thats helpful.

Im not sure what type of router it is :dunno:
It's black and fairly small.If it's got Virgin on it then that's your modem lol :D there will be a sticker on it somewhere identifying it. Are you using wireless? If it's not (and connected via network cables) you are as secure as you can be secure anyway :) people can only piggyback off an unsecured wireless connection. Secured wireless can be hacked into but it's not as easy (or likely)



BG

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the regional Indian and Pakistani High Commissions for the East Midlands in a city that actually, you know, has an Asian population that can't all fit in the City Ground?.

I think you know where I mean ;)

We've got about 4 or 5 major Indian Banks in Leicester (inc. in the city centre), so why not a small Visa office too? It would be much easier for Nottingham/Derby folks too.

A branch of the Indian HC in the city with porportionally the highest Indian population outside of India itself would make perfect sense :)



BG

It wouldn't be just benefitial to people of Indian origin, but for other business travellers and tourists, etc alike.

Especially as you used to be able to apply for a visa by post, you cant do this anymore. There have been tales of people having to queue up outside the high commission in london at 5 in the morning to ensure that you get your vusa on time.

I've heard that when you do go to the Indian HC in Birmingham it's are not the most reliable of services and is not very often open.

From guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/feb/22/britishidentity.nottingham):

"In praise of ... Nottingham

Leader

The Guardian, Friday February 22 2008

The capital of the east Midlands has been in the news for the wrong reason more often than the right one in the past couple of years. But Nottingham's history is mightier than its more recent reputation as the heartland of youthful binge drinkers. The city that brought us the genius of Lord Byron and DH Lawrence, the legend of Robin Hood and the wit of Brian Clough ("I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business, but I was in the top one"), not to mention the immortal Raleigh Chopper, has fittingly been chosen to pilot a brave adventure in free speech. Today - in a space in the market square almost at the feet of a new statue of the late, great Nottingham Forest manager - work will start on a new Speakers' Corner, the first in Britain since the original in Hyde Park, London. An eclectic lineup in the first "day for debate" teams Eddie Izzard with the Zimbabwean human rights campaigner Adrian Lunga in what the promoters, the newly formed Speakers' Corner Trust, hope will lead to a national revival of public debate. And by debate, they promise, they mean debate in person. They also say it will be non-adversarial, although the home of HP Sauce surely suggests otherwise. Recently voted the best British city to live in, one of its many famous literary sons (not Robert Harris but Alan Sillitoe) wrote once that Nottingham was "the magnet of the east Midlands", with "a self-confidence no one could fault". No Saturday Night, Sunday Morning flash in the pan, then, this latest honour."

Nice one:)

that wernt written by a nottingham person was it

I thought Cloughie came from Middlesbrough? Robin Hood (if he existed) most probably came from Yorkshire. Lord Byron was born in London. Though not born in the city of Nottingham, Lawrence is a Notts lad. Saturday Night, Sunday Morning is a great book though...

An interesting article from last year

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/28/britishidentity.society?gusrc=rss&feed=fromtheobserver

An interesting article from last year

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/28/britishidentity.society?gusrc=rss&feed=fromtheobserver

Yes, it is interesting, and perceptive. I think the real geographical divide is between the south-east of England (which probably extends as far west as Swindon and and Bournemouth, and as far north as Oxford, Milton Keynes and Norwich) and everywhere else. Nottingham and Leicester are very similar, whatever our tribal bickering on here. And I'm sure life on the shittiest council estates in Liverpool, Hull, Nottingham or Plymouth is pretty much the same, just as life in the pleasant middle class suburbs of those cities is much the same.

Both our cities are very northern-like really. I agree with what you say above - and all we have to get excited about is some new shops, small theatres, offices and meagre hand-outs from Whitehall...

..and we get several less years than the southerners, to get excited about it all...

I think dividing this map by cities is too simplistic. I think if you were to look further at villages and towns you might explain that survey better. For example it is very evident that places like Market Harborough (and surrounding villages) and Oakham have a very home counties feel about them. You venture further 'north' and towns such as Coalville, Shepshed and Loughborough have a much more gritty northern feel about them. I know even this analogy is simplistic but I think you can and do see it!!!!

I don't know Nottinghamshire very well but places like Mansfield, etc strike me as having a more northern tinge, could be wrong though!

I think you're right to a great extent - but you get examples of both sorts of place in all parts of the ocuntry - just more "southern" towns in the south, and vice versa.

So, in Notts, Southwell is more of a "southern" town, Mansfield is definitely of the north (what we really mean is, Mansfield is a working class town, and Southwell is a middle-class town, I guess). Rutland could be a relocated part of the Cotswolds, whereas Coalville is like a relocated part of South Yorkshire.

Meanwhile, somewhere like Portsmouth seems quite Northern (grim, industrial etc) whereas York is more like Oxford or Cambridge!

Route 84/84A doesn't even leave the bloody bus station until 20 minutes late. I got the sack from one job because the first bus in the morning never turned up on time (always 20 minutes late) making me late for work every day :bash: I thought it got held up between the station and Aylestone Road where I caught it, but one day I waited at Charles Street instead and it was 20 minutes late there as well :mad:

And it is about time they scrapped the stupid pay on entry setup, it holds EVERYONE up, the passengers who have to queue for bloody ages while people who aren't in any hurry whatsoever faff about looking for change AFTER they have boarded the bus (having stood in the queue for 15 minutes) and also holds up all the traffic stuck behind the bus while it has to wait longer than necessary at EVERY stop :bash:



BG

Has this problem you've been having with the 84/84a happened recently becuase i have been using the service regularly since september and have not had a problem.
Though i do agree with you about the pay on entry, it is really irritating when im late (though by my own fault for not getting up early enough) waiting for people paying this way, especially those who need a large amount of change.

I was using that service a couple of years ago. Hopefully (by your post anyway) they have sorted it out now.

The Narborough Road services are still sh!te though not that I use buses much these days, it's quicker and cheaper by car .. I never thought I would ever say that as I was anti-car for many years. Suppose you can blame the wife for converting me .. and being able to get to work and straight from there to my other jobs without the inconvenience of going into town first before heading out to Netherhall (twice the distance) and then home again afterwards, on an hourly service, which would have made it impossible for me to work evenings :|



BG

I've always perceived Leicester as being more associated with the south then the North to be honest, though I am going by pictures so cannot judge until I visit in a few weeks (its my personal mission for the Easter holiday).

Nottingham is basically a large northern city without the mass of hi-rises, though I find people in Manchester/Leeds/Sheffield to be much more polite and friendly. I guess Nottingham folk have a genetic thing for sensing Derby people and automatically wanting to mug them or look down their noses at them.

How come its called the East Midlands Forum when its mostly just Leicester folk? In fact how come there's nobody from Derby apart from myself and curves man? I guess I need to rouse some civic pride among my comrades...

Why do I fear Derby City Council will approve the plans to increase the height of a proposed 8 storey building clad in glass and curved to 12 storey, clad in stone and remove its curved feel? Their track record goes against them....

How come its called the East Midlands Forum when its mostly just Leicester folk? In fact how come there's nobody from Derby apart from myself and curves man? I guess I need to rouse some civic pride among my comrades...

Why do I fear Derby City Council will approve the plans to increase the height of a proposed 8 storey building clad in glass and curved to 12 storey, clad in stone and remove its curved feel? Their track record goes against them....

I'm from Derby, that makes 3 of us. Did you see the article in the DET, even Derby Cityscape are concerned about the look of the proposed Riverlights apartments. This project is cursed.

Nottingham is basically a large northern city without the mass of hi-rises, though I find people in Manchester/Leeds/Sheffield to be much more polite and friendly. I guess Nottingham folk have a genetic thing for sensing Derby people and automatically wanting to mug them or look down their noses at them.

How come its called the East Midlands Forum when its mostly just Leicester folk? In fact how come there's nobody from Derby apart from myself and curves man? I guess I need to rouse some civic pride among my comrades...


I wouldn't agree that people in Nottingham are less friendly than people further North infact I think it's the opposite.
People in Leeds whilst still being friendly and helpful are alot more abrupt and dismissive than people from Nottingham.
There are plenty of Nottingham forumers aswell btw it's just it's been dead for the past few days, as has the whole of the UK forum in general.

Dont know if this has been posted but Inside Out on the BBC friday 19.30 is having an item on which city Nottingham Derby or Leicester is going to win out on the shopping stakes. I think they will be comparing westfield derby, highcross and the yet to be started broadmarsh.

Yes should be an interesting programme.

Anyone watch the varsity ice hockey match (Trent Uni V Nottingham Uni) last night at the national ice arena? There was over 5,000 people there - I think its the biggest crowd for a similar match outside of North America! Good win for Trent and a great atmoshphere!

There was research published last year that examined where the north/south divide is. Here is a link (http://sasi.group.shef.ac.uk/maps/nsdivide/index.html).

Leicester is just in the South and Nottingham is in the North.

http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/content/images/2007_4624.jpg

Dont know if this has been posted but Inside Out on the BBC friday 19.30 is having an item on which city Nottingham Derby or Leicester is going to win out on the shopping stakes. I think they will be comparing westfield derby, highcross and the yet to be started broadmarsh.

There was a whole thing on regeneration in the Derby Telegraph, and some retail report is suggesting Nottingham has slipped in retail spending and is set to worsen with the opening of Highcross in Leicester. Alot of hope is put on Broadmarsh though.

Ideally I'd like to see three perfectly self sufficient cities and none of this "oh well Nottingham's just up the road, we'll shop there instead".

I agree with The Rams - Riverlights is certainly odd, I don't know what to think of the development but I liked the drawing of the office block and anything beats Aslin's bus station.

Does anybody think we need a thread for our views of the best and worst buildings in the East Midlands (old and new)? I could list a fair few.

^^ Seems like a good idea to me regarding the thread. Could be a laugh.

I think we just had a tremor in Leicester.

man that was a friggin earthquake!!!

I felt it in Leeds aswell.
London, Lincoln, Manchester even Cardiff felt it. Scary shit.

it was centred on lincolnshire so v nearby. BBC is saying that Nottingham was particulary badly shaken. 4.7 on the scale they say

Hmmmm. I wonder if the quake has magically demolished Broadmarsh :evil:

^^ we can only hope!

What the fuck!! That shook the shit out of me. I was on the phone at the time, asked my friend "what the fuck was that"!!... he then repeated the same thing to me lol.... I thought Iran was starting a war or something lol!!

Really strong here. Apparently the epicentre is 30 miles south of Kingston upon Hull. Felt from Scotland to London. The whole house shook violently, second shock a lot stronger. I'm up in the loft and the lights were swinging, sure I saw the roof itself move from side to side. Floor jerked violently back and forth and the TV which weighs half a ton moved about on its stand.


Bloody scary .. first time I've felt anything like this. Amazingly no cracks in the plaster up here in fact no apparent damage whatsoever. Thank fuck these houses were built with lime mortar which is flexible.


4.7 on the Richter scale


BG

:lol:

Was it bad in Notts?
I heard the rumble in Leeds before I felt it. A bottle of aftershave on my desk fell over. I've had a drink and thought I was hallucinating for a minute.

its weird I was half asleep and I swear i felt a bit of movement then went back to sleep then an unknown amount of time later i felt and heard the shake?

I heard a rumble and thought it was the wind (I was in town earlier and the wind was terrible so thought nothing of it) and then the whole house shook quite violently but only for about 6-7 seconds.
Still scared the shit out of me. Im wide awake now.

same thing happened to me in headingley

^^You'll know what the houses in Headingley are like then. I thought mine was going to collapse!
Where about in Headingley are you? Im right near the stadium.

so am i!near the co-op

Cardigan Road then. Im on Headingley Avenue near One Stop.

no, newport view

Whoops. Should of said near Cardigan Road :doh:

that was exciting!

i was watching underwold on tv, and then everything wobbled and rumbled - which was far more exciting than underworld was.

The other two I experienced were when I was in Nottingham but they were pretty small.
The house shook a little bit in 2003 I think it was.
This one was worse though. Pretty exciting.

it was less exciting closer to the epicentre. when your remote control vibrates off your bed and your books start to fall over then it gets a bit worrying! it was worrying enought o get out of bed and decide to leave the house to see what was happening (wearing only a towel), and then it stopped.

i panicked and ran outside after about 5 seconds of shaking, nobody else was about but the air was filled with the chorus of a thousand awakened alarms

that earthquake was well funny, my door sticks and u have to give it a kick to open (i think it was kicking it in the first place that made it stick) a m8 had just had a barney wiv his misses and went out to see her, then the earthquake happened but i thought it was my m8 kicking the door down so i shouted to take it easy a bit cos i thought hed kicked it harder cos he was in a mardy. i felt a rite twat wen he came back and said did u feel that earthquake, i thought he was taking the piss at first

great central railway in loughborogh are definately still going ahead wiv 6 million pound plans to run a line for steam trains from nottingham thru to leicester, according to the mercury, should be gud

derbys got a jurys inn, u fuckers

I thought that my house was shaking due to my neighbour having hard sex again, exactly the same thing happened 2 weeks ago. Though the last time it was 3am and I heard groans.

Not just yet, the revised design has been approved by nothings happening on site yet.

Not one Nottingham post all day?

Well done for keeping this forum active you Leicester lot.

theres only about seven leicester people in total, i reckon theres only about 30 or 33 people in the whole world using this website

Here's Leicester's Jury's Inn....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/HalfLife2_Citadel.jpg

Looks like a Ian Simpson tower.

Cool. A rocket port in Leicester :D

We've got the Borg Cube in Derby, we just need Nottingham to build a death star!

We've got the TARDIS.

We've reached 200 threads :)

and none of em are any good

Except this one...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505775&highlight=braunstone+geezer

oh yeah, except this one

and that other one, but the rest are shit

Traveller sites get £5.9m grants
A series of permanent sites for Gypsies and travellers will be built after £5.9m was approved by the government.
Nottingham gets the largest amount, £2.1m, towards new facilities and Derby will receive £1.4m for a 25 caravan site on Russell Street in Osmaston.

South Holland District Council has secured grants totalling more than £1.7m for three new sites.

Officials said the work would give travellers decent places to live and make illegal sites less of a problem.

Communities Minister Iain Wright said: "This funding is vital in delivering both new and better sites to ensure that Gypsies and travellers have authorised, decent places to live and to help reduce the £18 million annual enforcement bill.

"It is important that councils ensure there are enough authorised sites for the Gypsy and traveller communities.

"A good supply of legal sites can break the vicious cycle of evictions that is costly in terms of both local tensions and taxpayers' cash."

Refurbishment project

Amar Nath, from Derby City Council's housing department, said: "It puts our proposal on a very concrete footing.

"And we are now that much closer to a permanent site for travellers in Derby.

"We have to accept these people as part of the community and provide for them."

South Holland District Council is to build new sites at Spalding Marsh, Holbeach and Centenary Way.

Gedling Borough Council also received £646,675 towards a new site as part of the Nottingham Gypsy and Traveller Site Development Project.

A site at Meynells Gorse in Leicester is to be refurbished with a grant of £40,766.

We had a bit of a fuss kicked up in Derby about the 12 options for a permanent site, they were all in the southern side of the city - predominately working class areas rather then the north which is nearly entirely upper middle class.

In 1987 some folks from my area stormed the council meeting as they were going to put a site across the road from me. Direct action.... Derby does it!

leicesters already got a permanent site for 40,000 gypos, its called braunstone

and the other 450,000 people who live around leicester are just tramps

I'm liking the cluster of urban areas going on here...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/koife/Picture3.png

I'd love to see how this will look in 100 years...

Definately, I posted that map somewhere else, theres another one with Leicester somewhere. This new RSS Strategy has opened up the boundarys outside of Nottingham allowing us to spread out. The few gaps inbetween Derby and Nottinghm have been protected from further development though I think.

Yes we are prevented from expanding West and merging with Derby.
Alot of the spread will go North and North East I think filling in the gaps. The strip of land between Nottingham and Radcliffe will also be filled in

Time to stop filling in the gaps time to think about spreading upwards !

rendall munroe the 'boxing binman' from leicester won the european super bantamweight belt on points in nottingham. ive only just realised that since grandby halls fell down there isnt a suitable venue in leicester to hold decent bouts. so im resurecting the leicester arena idea.

leicester has a great history of boxing, and its a crime that we havent got a venue for it. me and my brothers were taught from an early age, i cud throw a decent punch before i cud walk, my old man nade sure of that, but i wernt the only one, most of my mates i grew up wiv were taught by dads and older brothers, and there wernt that many fat kids on my street, which is why i believe it should be taught at schools too. me and my brothers used to sit in the nags head and star pub in leicester and listen to the great tony sibson talk about his career, he hadnt long hung up the gloves either, and we used to run alongside chris pyatt wen he trained, well, we used to try and keep up. if it hadnt have been for drugs, drink and generally a fucked up childhood, i like to think that i would have hit the pads hard. im 31 now, and have regularly trained for the last 6 months, although i keep fucking it up wiv drugs, but im getting there, and there is no better feeling than running the streets at 5am wiv no one around and the rain in ur hair, more people should give it a go. after the initial 10 or 12 weeks it really is the best thing in the world

leicester needs an arena, and im going to go round the boxing clubs of leicester and get some support, carl gunns two clubs alone have over a thousand kids on the books, its time leicester got back to being a force in the boxing world,

Good man BG. The more support you can drum up, the better. We have had large venues for such events in the past. The City Council have knocked them down though. In asking for an arena, all we are doing is asking for something to replace what we have lost - and hopefully slightly bigger too...

yeah great, i got mistaken for a polish rentboy last nite on narbourough road. im not bovered about the rent boy bit, 20 quid is 20 quid, but im bovvered about being mistaken for being polish, its happened quite a few times now

rendall munroe the 'boxing binman' from leicester won the european super bantamweight belt on points in nottingham. ive only just realised that since grandby halls fell down there isnt a suitable venue in leicester to hold decent bouts. so im resurecting the leicester arena idea.

leicester has a great history of boxing, and its a crime that we havent got a venue for it. me and my brothers were taught from an early age, i cud throw a decent punch before i cud walk, my old man nade sure of that, but i wernt the only one, most of my mates i grew up wiv were taught by dads and older brothers, and there wernt that many fat kids on my street, which is why i believe it should be taught at schools too. me and my brothers used to sit in the nags head and star pub in leicester and listen to the great tony sibson talk about his career, he hadnt long hung up the gloves either, and we used to run alongside chris pyatt wen he trained, well, we used to try and keep up. if it hadnt have been for drugs, drink and generally a fucked up childhood, i like to think that i would have hit the pads hard. im 31 now, and have regularly trained for the last 6 months, although i keep fucking it up wiv drugs, but im getting there, and there is no better feeling than running the streets at 5am wiv no one around and the rain in ur hair, more people should give it a go. after the initial 10 or 12 weeks it really is the best thing in the world

leicester needs an arena, and im going to go round the boxing clubs of leicester and get some support, carl gunns two clubs alone have over a thousand kids on the books, its time leicester got back to being a force in the boxing world,

I know Rendell his boy is at DCFC academy with my lad top bloke dead confident

COUNTY BYPASSED IN HIGH-SPEED RAIL PLANS
BY MARTIN ROBINSON
POLITICAL REPORTER

10:30 - 17 March 2008





Plans for a high-speed rail link from the East Midlands to London have been drawn up - but no trains would stop in Leicestershire.

The £31 billion electrified route would run from Sheffield and Nottingham but would be diverted to Peterborough instead of calling at Leicester, even though it would cut through parts of the county and Rutland.



Transport giant Atkins has put together a report on the high-speed link for the Government, which it said has been "been positive about the proposals". Atkins says that although Leicestershire would miss out on trains, it would enjoy a cut of £60 billion in new investment kick-started by the improvements to rail services.

Coun Nicholas Rushton, county council cabinet member for transport, said Leicestershire was being handed a bad deal.

He said the Midland mainline, which runs from Sheffield through Leicestershire to the capital, was "full to capacity" and in need of improvement.

Coun Rushton said: "Therefore you would have thought it would have been the smart thing to try to improve a railway line that needs it.

"Instead you have a new line planned which doesn't stop anywhere in the county."

The project has been drawn up to improve the country's rail infrastructure so it will run at similar speeds to the new Eurostar route from St Pancras station, in London, to the continent.

Atkins said even though the line might not stop in the county, it would get a slice of about £60 billion of investment the project would pull in through new business and tourism spurred on by faster trains to the East Midlands.

The link would cut the journey time from Nottingham to the capital to an hour - up to 30 minutes less than the current Leicester to London service.

If the line passed through Leicester, journey times for commuters could be cut to as little as 40 to 45 minutes. Report author Michael Hayes said Leicestershire was left out because it would be quicker and cheaper to go via Peterborough.

He said: "Only a certain number of places can be served by high speed rail, in order to keep overall journey times down."

Pressure group Campaign for Better Transport condemned the move to leave Leicestershire out of the service.

County spokesman Terry Kirby said: "I see no reason at all why these trains could not pick up in Leicestershire. It would be a disaster for us if it did not.

"Leicester is bigger than Nottingham, but is left out.

"They are trying to do it on the cheap by running trains via Peterborough because the line is electrified to there.

"Trains from Leicester, Loughborough and Market Harborough would be effectively downgraded to a slow line."



It feels like a snub but would it seriously disadvantage Leicestershire ? And what about Derbyshire passengers ? will they prefer to go to London via Nottingham ?

Sheffield and Nottingham do need a better service to the capital and avoiding Leicester makes sense. But it would seem this decision would mean the line through to Leicester will have the feel of an A road rather than a motorway !

It may disadvantage Leicester's relationship with the north. Sheffield, Leeds and Manchester for example.
People from Derby could realisticly get a train to Nottingham quite easily as there are regular services to and from each city.

Seems strange that they would take this route as there is an already established rail line with electrification from bedford down to london and it passes through a huge commuter belt. Surely it would make more sense to improve the exhisting line and electrify up to sheffield

A high speed rail link would be a MASSIVE draw for potential investors in Nottingham!

To me this is more desirable than any of the projects currently going off/planned in our city.

This is the planned route.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2391/2342214931_e805fe0ff1.jpg?v=0

Yes investment like this clearly puts Nottingham as a "Primary City" leaving Leicester as an important but never the less "Secondary City" (my terms)

This is not to start a Nottingham - Leicester argument. I just want to demonstrate that the two cities are of a similar size but attract different flows of investment.

Nottingham has evolved into a so called "core city" and understandably Leicester business people feel this is unfair, but size alone is not enough to attract investment. It's about politics, winners and losers. Leicester politically has lost to Nottingham but it can still compete economically, albeit at a disadvantage. It's harder for Leicester to compete "FACT" due to the this two tier system.

Leicester is a big secondary city like Coventry, Hull, Bradford, Stoke. Nottingham is a small primary city and compares to Birmingham, Leeds, Newcastle so will always gain over Leicester when it comes to infrastructure investment. It sucks but that's life !

^^ Fair comment.

Here's some clarification:

Cheers lads. That answered my question. So these new lines... will they simply run alongside the existing slower lines?

The argument for high speed rail generally focuses on new build lines, as this offers much better value for money than upgrading existing lines.

With conventional high speed rail the trains can continue on the classic network to reach a wide range of destinations, and this is the model that many of the french TGV routes use.

In the case of Nottingham being on an eastern North-South alignment as suggested by Greengauge21 and Atkins I can imagine a number of possible scenarios. The HSL could run to the east of Nottingham with a feeder line into Nottingham Midland from the east. The HSL could run through Nottingham Midland from east to west and then continue north west to follow the M1 to Sheffield. A crazier idea, assuming capacity constraints at Midland station, would be that a new Nottingham Victoria station could be built in the place of the Victoria centre, although designing the southern approaches to the station could prove challenging given recent developments. In all these cases I expect trains from Derby would connect to the HSL by running via trent junction and Nottingham Midland.

Leicester doesn't look to benefit much from a high speed line, but would from electrification of the MML, which I see as being more likely than a HSL anyway, at least short term. It is already much closer to London than Derby and Nottingham anyway.

http://www.atkinsglobal.com/Images/Because%20Transport%20Matters%20Report_tcm12-2962.pdf

^^ Link to the actual report.

I just want more services from the East Midlands to Manchester and Leeds then I'd be happy! I think Nottingham seems awfully inferior from a rail travel perspective and ideally it should be on the East Coast Line - obviously out of the question. I did see a plan a few years ago and they suggested sticking a high speed through the middle of Derby and Nottingham with a station at Ilkeston!

To be fair I can't see the East Midlands benefiting from a high speed service, if anything it'll go London - Birmingham - Manchester - Leeds - Newcastle - Edinburgh - Glasgow dodging us and Sheffield, if anything we'll be a spur line.

Where's the Leicester lot today? There hasn't been any posts by them all day, which is unusual.

its good trains run from nottingham and sheffield wont pass thru leicester anymore, it will mean more seats availablefor leicester people on the fucking train.

and u can get from leicester to london in an hour anyway (it took 1 hour seven minutes last time i went, so everyones a winner

Where's the Leicester lot today? There hasn't been any posts by them all day, which is unusual.

I haven't been able to access the East Midland thread for days now. Can access all others, which is a bit odd?

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Had to get in through a cached version...

Using Firefox?

No Internet Explorer. Like I say, every forum works except the EM one for me?

If Firefox is the problem then I shouldn't be here, since I'm using a fork.

So I'm guessing it's IE that's the problem :D

Corby only gets trains back in December so I cant complain about being overlooked for an electrified line.... not yet anyway ;)

:lol:

Hit the refresh button a few (hundred) times. I felt a bit panicky with the forum :S

Re. high speed trains missing out Leicester in favour of Nottingham .. we might as well pull the bloody plug on a lot of our development proposals, as businesses won't have any bloody incentive to choose Leicester over Nottingham. Our one major advantage was a faster commute to London and now it looks like it will be quicker to get to Nottingham instead :mad:


BG

I couldn't care less about mag-lev trains to be fair, divert the ECML by Nottingham instead of Grantham and Newark. Electrify the Midland Mainline through the Derwent Valley, put more direct services from the East Midlands to Leeds and Manchester and I would be happy. The railway is fast enough for me to be fair, maybe strive for a 'true' high speed railway instead of 125mph British High Speed if we really need to be ambitious.

^^ I agree that an electrified fast service to Leeds and Manchester from the East Midlands would be a huge benefit for the region economically.
The current services to both of those cities isn't currently that good so it would definately encourage businesses to settle here due to the lower rental costs here compared to Leeds and Manchester but still within easy reach to the companies headquarters if they were in either city for example.
I think that makes sense :shifty:

Oh dear!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7311529.stm

On a brighter note East Midlands Trains are investing £90 million to revamp stations and trains. More carriages I believe, I travelled off peak in the week down to London last month and the trains were packed.

Oh dear!

tut terrible. Needs sorting.

Oh dear!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7311529.stm

Oh well its just another thing that we are above Leicester in :lol:

I know - it must be difficult for you to be top in so many things!

It's because our homes are packed with all sorts of desirable things from all our lovely shops. Leicester houses have nothing worth nicking.

It would be really easy to steal from us too, as we all live in mud huts.

It's because our homes are packed with all sorts of desirable things from all our lovely shops. Leicester houses have nothing worth nicking.

At least that proves that we don't shop in your "lovely shops" - unless we are getting mugged before we leave Nottingham?

At least that proves that we don't shop in your "lovely shops"

On your wages?

I thought the average wage in Nottingham (the city) is lower than Leicester?

At least Nottingham is getting a bit safer in the city centre, I was deterred from going for several years following a couple of unpleasant incidents, though my recent visits i've had less trouble from the 'friendly locals'.

Nottingham feels alot safer than it did 3 or 4 years ago. There are still a fair few dickheads though that think there bad.
There was a lad riding his moped in the square today showing off to some little rudegirls that looked like they'd glued their hair to the side of their face.
There should always be one of those community officers in the square during the day to stop things like that happening.

The average wage for Leicester is £21,429. Nottingham is £22,541.
The position is reversed for the respective counties
And the average wage in Derby is £27,533 :lol:

Houses are £10,000 more expensive on average in Leicester than Nottingham and £14,000 more expensive in Derby than in Leicester.

TUC Report (http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:9b-5syS5G_kJ:www.tuc.org.uk/extras/EM.pdf+average+wage+in+Nottingham&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)

Average (mean) wage figures are very disceptive, you get a better idea from the median figure.

It'd be interesting to see the average house prices of each city if the whole conurbation was included.
Nottingham City - 270,000 ish people
Whole urban aread - 670,000 ish

Nottingham City includes alot of run down areas. If the whole urban area was included in the survey that included Gegling, Rushcliffe and Broxtowe the average house price would be significantly higher.

The average house price would also go up if Leicester included it's suburbs - as they are usually bigger houses in leafier areas. However, this isn't how it workd and to work out the average price of a city house, you only include the houses that are in the city.

This is how the east midlands look at the moment

NAME AV PRICE (£)
Rutland £266,750
Leicestershire £198,954
Northamptonshire £185,691
Derbyshire £171,941
Lincolnshire £168,543
Nottinghamshire £159,451
City Of Derby £153,549
Leicester £145,875
City Of Nottingham £131,178

No wonder you Nottinghamites have so much money to spend on luxury brands :lol:

Lower house prices = higher standard of living.

Would you like another straw? :tongue2:

Would you like an arena?

I wouldn't say that living in an ex-council house, and surrounded by crime is equal to a higher standard of living.

I love these little Notts vs. Leic outbursts!!!

Would you like an arena?

lol owned!

*Takes another look at comparative house prices in Nottinghamshire and the rest of the East Midlands*

I believe the correct term is pwned :tongue2:

Paupers.

stef wot is this courbation bollocks u keep going on about? and by the way why do the numbers go up so much every time u mention it? is nottingham growing that fast, fuck in hell, london should watch out.

talking of london, do u know how big the city of london is?

ill put u out of ur misery, the city of london is one square mile mate, 1 square mile

are u seriously trying to say that the city of nottingham should be bigger than london? youve lost it mate. ur figures dont add up, wot wud the population of nottingham be if it was in line wiv our capital city? one square mile

ur conurbation of nottingham would be about 10 square miles by the look of ur silly maps, and linking up wiv derby wud create one large mega city? no it wouldnt, it be a few crappy little towns and villages under one name.

all my days mate, u havent got a scooby

nottm urban area is bigger than leicesters. simple as that. look at each city on a map and the city boundary for each. no brainer.

It's got nothing to do with growth it's just about the urban area of Nottingham has far more people in it than the city of Nottingham.

Rushcliffe, Gedling and Broxtowe aren't included in the population figures for the city which is around 270,000.

I we include them it raises the population of the whole of Nottingham to 668,000 people.
Because there are different authorities they aren't included. Leicester suffers from the same problem.

And when did London come into it? Now you've confused me.

I believe the correct term is pwned :tongue2:



Thought I might confuse you old gits on here if I put that...obviously not!

You can have you're higher house prices! But at the moment id say Nottingham currently has better: Universities, Sports Facilities, Transport Infracstructure, Nightlife, Shopping, International recognition... any more? discuss lol

^^ That comment will cause an uproar amongst the Leicester lot.

Universities - Loughborough (9th), Nottingham (19th), Leicester (21st). Trent and De Montfort are also-rans.

http://browse.guardian.co.uk/education?SearchBySubject=&FirstRow=40&SortOrderDirection=&SortOrderColumn=GuardianTeachingScore&Subject=University+ranking&Institution=

Sports Facilities - Leicester City (32,500), F****t (30,602), Notts County (21,300), Leicester Tigers (16,811), Nottingham Racecourse (30,000), Leicester Racecourse (50,000), Trent Bridge (15,350), Grace Road (12,000). I've left out future plans, because they don't exist yet.

Transport Infrastructure - Yeah ours is crap!

Nightlife - depends on your own preferences I guess. I hate dance and pop nightclubs. Rock City is good though. Both cities have decent nightlife really.

Shopping - Nottingham 5th, Leicester 8th.

International Recognition - I'm sure Nottingham is better known, because of Robin Hood (from Yorkshire)

No uproar, but neither of us is that special really...

^^ That comment will cause an uproar amongst the Leicester lot.

Trying to liven this place up abit!

Come on now you can't include Loughborough university! Basically our best uni is higher up than yours and our 2nd best uni is higher up then your second best (by quite some distance). Didnt realise Nottingham Uni is only 19th wasnt it in the top 10 some time ago?

Not this shite again. Reminds me of Nintendo v Sega when I was 10. :lol:

^^ :lol: Forreal.

Not this shite again. Reminds me of Nintendo v Sega when I was 10. :lol:

Sonic roolz.

Sonic roolz.

BUMP that :P

Sonic would bust marios moustached assss!

That bolox about "average" wages though .. it should be the average WORKING wage for fuck's sake. And that in my view does NOT include the likes of footballers on £1000 a day. £20k per year equates to around £10.40 per hour. Try and find a job paying that amount and you will be hard pressed, even anything paying over £7.50 is not easy to find. I'm in a skilled job and get less than that. My wife is in a job which requires a degree background, works nights and yet she is also on less than that ...:ohno: or are we completely missing the point and there is a jobs market we don't know about?

A survey of the average NUMBER of workers on any given wage will show that up :nuts:

I would love to be on a tenner an hour



And by the way, mine's a Commodore 64 :D:D



BG

leicester is more populated than nottingham

leicestershire is more populated than nottinghamshire

get over it

Pride Park is 33,000, but it's name isn't very good, though better then 'The Monster Munch Stadium' .

:lol:

Pride Park is 33,000, but it's name isn't very good, though better then 'The Monster Munch Stadium' .

Sheep Shagger :)

fucking hell getting ripped by someone from derby

^^ :lol:

I still think they should have called Leicester's new stadium the "Raw Dykes Bowl". Good local name that and would have brought in punters from all over the world.

That bolox about "average" wages though .. it should be the average WORKING wage for fuck's sake. And that in my view does NOT include the likes of footballers on £1000 a day. £20k per year equates to around £10.40 per hour. Try and find a job paying that amount and you will be hard pressed, even anything paying over £7.50 is not easy to find. I'm in a skilled job and get less than that. My wife is in a job which requires a degree background, works nights and yet she is also on less than that ...:ohno: or are we completely missing the point and there is a jobs market we don't know about?

A survey of the average NUMBER of workers on any given wage will show that up :nuts:

I would love to be on a tenner an hour



And by the way, mine's a Commodore 64 :D:D



BG

Come on, team leaders in distribution factories get about 9-10 quid an hour, which is almost as much as I do as a planning officer - and you barely need any qualifications to be a team leader in a factory. So long as you can manage people and whatever else they want you to manage then you can achieve that kind of money quite easily.

Although i'd go with Local Government simply for the better employee benefits - flexitime/paid time off sick etc

i want a job where i can work from 1pm to 2pm and i get an hour for lunch

Anyone watch the apprentice last night? Some interesting dynamics developing between the geezers vs ponces!!! Well more importantly it turns out 3 of the remaining contestants are leicesterians.....which means none of them will win!

Sara Dhada (seems a bit of a cow - tre's sister?)
Jenny Celerier (i think she is next week's team leader)
Ian Stringer (according to mercury born n bred beaumont leys lad now moved to luton or bedford or summat)

Kilo of fresh lobster for £4.90 anyone? Best bargain in town!!!

I think that Raef will be one to watch - he could be this season's Tre in terms of pure personality!

looks like stringy celery for daddy

Come on, team leaders in distribution factories get about 9-10 quid an hour, which is almost as much as I do as a planning officer - and you barely need any qualifications to be a team leader in a factory.Exactly. Still less than the £10.40 I quoted as an AVERAGE wage and this is for the top 5 to ten percent of employees in said factory/warehouse. Obviously the office staff will be on a similar wage to the team leaders (but also have sick pay and all the benefits) and management get more than this, but AVERAGE ...?

Plus, you normally have to work for years on the lower end of the scale before having a chance at a team leader position.

Our agency workers get the minimum wage :bash: there are plenty of Polish workers who are happy to work for this money :ohno:


BG

Hmmmm

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132384&command=displayContent&sourceNode=232710&home=yes&more_nodeId1=132393&contentPK=20282753

Rememebr when the De Mont's lead was taken too. :ohno:

wots de monts lead got to do wiv average wage? or have i not read this thread thru properly

wots de monts lead got to do wiv average wage? or have i not read this thread thru properly

See Lears last post in this thread.

i give up. is it something to do wiv the thieving polish bastards?

I found this (http://www.roymorgan.com/news/press-releases/2006/490/) list of the twenty most popular footie clubs in the UK in another thread.

See if you can find Forest :D

Footballs irrelevant unless they build a f**king huge stadium, then i'm interested (as long as they put on some decent concerts).

that list is hillarious more apparently people support Leicester than the entire population of the Leicester connurbation. You can understand that for the likes of Man Utd etc who've actually had some success and picked up plenty of gloryhunters but Leicester :dunno:

Here (http://www.sportingchronicle.com/championsleague/europeancuppastwinners.html) is another list for you, see if you can spot Leicester ;)

Why are you guys going on about football? It's really dull. I'm from Leicester and don't give two hoots if they go down. In fact I think I would benefit from them going down. There'll be less traffic and less assholes on the streets of Leicester on a match day for starters. To bring up a list that refers back to the 70's - now that's f'ng desperate!

that list is hillarious more apparently people support Leicester than the entire population of the Leicester connurbation. You can understand that for the likes of Man Utd etc who've actually had some success and picked up plenty of gloryhunters but Leicester :dunno:

Here (http://www.sportingchronicle.com/championsleague/europeancuppastwinners.html) is another list for you, see if you can spot Leicester ;)

Why would Leicester's support be dependent on the size of its inaccurate conurbation?

Can you spot Nottingham in this list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heineken_Cup

Why are you guys going on about football? It's really dull. I'm from Leicester and don't give two hoots if they go down. In fact I think I would benefit from them going down. There'll be less traffic and less assholes on the streets of Leicester on a match day for starters. To bring up a list that refers back to the 70's - now that's f'ng desperate!

Leicester City staying up means everything to me!

Come on Candida...why would our football club going down to the third tier of football for the first time in its 125 year history - be in anyway good for the city? Whether you like football or not - if we get relegated it will be truly awful. We must not sink to the level that Nottingham has...

Why are you guys going on about football? It's really dull. I'm from Leicester and don't give two hoots if they go down. In fact I think I would benefit from them going down. There'll be less traffic and less assholes on the streets of Leicester on a match day for starters. To bring up a list that refers back to the 70's - now that's f'ng desperate!

:cheer:
what a pansy

why would Leicester's support be dependent on the size of its inaccurate conurbation?

Well surely the vast majority of support is going to come from the connurbation. Why on earth would anyone living outside Leicester chose to support them? Thats like the opposite of gloryhunting. You could say that there are alot of expat fans around the country but these are likely negated by people living in Leicester that dont support them, so to have a fanbase bigger than the actual connurbation of Leicester seems bollocks

C'mon you Plymouth!!!

Forest.....not even in the biggest team in league one. Infact at the rate your going you won't be the biggest team in Notts much longer. :lol:

1979/80 Nottm Forest 1 – 0 Hamburg - European Cup Winners

2007/08 Nottm Forest 2 - 3 Peterborough United - Johnstone Paint Trophy (Southern East Section) Round 1

Ain't so good now. :)

No one from Leicester can even slag off Forest... you guys have won nowt but a Carling cup!!

Furthermore, Leicester is only 6 places above Forest in the league - what's the difference between us and you?!

This is not the place to argue that though... :)

what's the difference between us and you?!
A league

:lol:Just getting it now....we may only have a fortnight of gloating left...

Yes, I'm a pansy. BG can confirm that now. Football is for pansies, Rugby is for MEN!

why would Leicester's support be dependent on the size of its inaccurate conurbation?

Well surely the vast majority of support is going to come from the connurbation. Why on earth would anyone living outside Leicester chose to support them? Thats like the opposite of gloryhunting. You could say that there are alot of expat fans around the country but these are likely negated by people living in Leicester that dont support them, so to have a fanbase bigger than the actual connurbation of Leicester seems bollocks

Leicester City is the only football club in Leicestershire. Population just short of 1 million...

No one from Leicester can even slag off Forest... you guys have won nowt but a Carling cup!!

Furthermore, Leicester is only 6 places above Forest in the league - what's the difference between us and you?!

This is not the place to argue that though... :)

Can if we want...

Yes, I'm a pansy. BG can confirm that now. Football is for pansies, Rugby is for MEN!

Lol I agree in terms of playing them!

Well... if you really want to feel inferior to us Leicester folk then, sure, let's talk rugby :D

Nottingham RFC are up and coming theyre 3rd in the league below the premiership so who knows in a couple of years we could be playing you lot! Im sure a few years ago they were a feeder club for Leicester?

Actually you do them a disservice. They're in National League 1; which is just below the Prem.

Unfortunately for them it seems that the relegated Premiership team is the one that (nearly) always gets promoted. So they're going to have a very long wait.

^^ thats what I said, or meant to say!

I know what you mean though, Leeds will be down this year but will romp that league and come straight back up

The only way a NL1 team that wasn't a former GPL team could get promoted is if they had massive financial backing to, basically, go out and buy the best players and coaches available.

The quality gap between the GPL and the NL makes the one between the EPL and the EFL look trivial.

Wahay i am the 999,999 visitor to this forum and have won an audi car all i have to do is click the website. Shan't bother my norton anti virus has run out and i'll be sheiding of unwanted pop ups for months. :ohno:

Wendigo Wendigo from the Sheffield Forum had 3 of those pop up on her when she came on.
Where's my bloody Audi :evil:

You guys get pop ups? :uh:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (pauses for breath) HA HA HA HA HA :lol:

*Mark76 doesn't use Inertnet Exploder*

Wendigo Wendigo from the Sheffield Forum had 3 of those pop up on her when she came on.
Where's my bloody Audi :evil:


You meen she didn't give her sort code or bank account number :lol:

Phonejacker avatar is good i had a John Shuttleworth one not so long back

I like my comedy just a shame i'm not funny :ohno:

Anyways.... does anybody think we need some non-development threads? It just seems full of Leicester and Nottingham threads about shops, shops and more shops. I'm sure we all have our own ideas for city developments, lets showcase them! Maybe even some illustrations from the 1960s of proposed developments which never happened.

^^ Sounds like a good idea to me.

Anyways.... does anybody think we need some non-development threads? It just seems full of Leicester and Nottingham threads about shops, shops and more shops. I'm sure we all have our own ideas for city developments, lets showcase them! Maybe even some illustrations from the 1960s of proposed developments which never happened.

I agree. I've done something similar for new tower visions for Leicester. Perhaps we could have one for each city?

Time to get your votes in for Leicester - even though Manchester should be the hands-down winner in this...

http://www.mostmusicalcity.co.uk/

Engelbert Humperdinck LMAO! Kasabian are all good though and didnt cornershop come from Leicester or go to the Uni?

Oh look. No Nottingham :D

^^ Even when they get praise they act twats :D

Nottingham could enter Least Musical City.

Although we have a decent range of venues for gigs (everything from the Social/Bodega/Rescue Rooms level, through Rock City and the unis, up to the Concert Hall and Arena), the number of decent bands that have come from Nottingham is pathetic - astonishingly low compared with, say, Sheffield or Leicester, or anywhere, really!

Think this (www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpaJjVvGvA)got to number one, mind.

EDIT: No! Only got to number two!

Incidently I was on ticketmaster the other day and found that there was 9 venues in Nottingham were you could buy tickets to watch live music in the next 3 months compared to 2 in Leicester one of which was the Students Union at Leicester Uni :lol:

:lol:

Bloody hell! LUSU are putting on gigs again :eek:

For the record, most of our venues are tiny little places that wouldn't bother with ticket master (or tickets, for that matter). There's only really the DeMontfort, Charlotte, Shed (if that's still going) and the two unis that have the capacity to justify the cost (I'd imagine TM charge a commission).

Leicester Bands

http://www.leicestermusicscene.co.uk/artists.htm

John Deacon (the bassist with Queen)
John Illsley (musician with Dire Straits)
Laurel Aitken (the Godfather of Ska)
Graham Chapman (for credits on the Monthy Python records)
Cornershop
Crazyhead
Family
Gaye Bykers on Acid
John Lord (organist for Deep Purple)
Mark Morrison
The Young Knives

...and many more!

Is that the same Mark Morrison that was born in Hamburg? You can add in Kasabian though

Well he grew up in beautiful Highfields...Kasabian are already in the list I provided

Well he grew up in beautiful Highfields...

As did The Hump ;)

Did you know that Englebert is in the top 5 richest UK musicians?


Here are the 40 richest British rock stars [Except for the Irish U2 -
Paddy O'Ed.] according to net worth, estimated by Business Age:

1. Paul McCartney, $750 million

2. Elton John, $500 million

3. Mick Jagger, $225 million

4. Keith Richards, $220 million

5. Tom Jones, $149 million

5 (tie). Engelbert Humperdinck, $149 million

7. David Bowie, $145 million

8. Sting, $143 million

8 (tie). Phil Collins, $143 million

10. George Harrison, $128 million

11. Ringo Starr, $111 million

12. Eric Clapton, $108 million

13. U2, $105 million each

13 (tie). George Michael, $105 million

15. Rod Stewart, $101 million

16. Charlie Watts (Rolling Stones), $96 million

17. Cliff Richard, $89 million

18. David Gilmour (Pink Floyd), $86 million

19. Robert Plant and Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin), $85 million each

20. Ronnie Wood (Rolling Stones), $82 million

20 (tie). Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits), $82 million

22. Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), $74 million

23. John Deacon, Brian May, and Roger Taylor (Queen), $67 million
each

24. Nick Mason (Pink Floyd), $64 million

25. Rick Wright (Pink Floyd), $61 million

26. Jim Kerr (Simple Minds), $60 million

27. Mick Hucknall (Simply Red), $57 million

28. Van Morrison, $52 million

29. The Bee Gees, $49 million each

30. Chris de Burgh, $45 million

31. Victoria Beckham (Spice Girls), $37 million

32. Noel Gallagher (Oasis), $36 million

33. Dave Stewart (Eurythmics), $34 million

34. Melanie Chisholm and Melanie Brown (Spice Girls), $33 million
each

35. Emma Bunton (Spice Girls), $31 million

36. Liam Gallagher (Oasis), $28 million

37. Geri Halliwell (ex-Spice Girl), $25 million

38. Annie Lennox (Eurythmics), $22 million

39. Fatboy Slim, $21 million

40. Robbie Williams, $16 million

Seeing as King Lear ruled our nation as early as 800BC, from Leicester and that we are the traditional ruling city of the East Midlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corieltauvi) - and that the English language was invented here - isn't it about time that our city was officially crowned the capital of the East Midlands?

err yeah nice try :stupid:

OK I guess you're right - Su Pollard and all that...

It gets boring me having to remind you of the different sectors etc that Nottingham is above Leicester in...

Congratulations on being the undisputed administrative capital of the East Midlands between three thousand and two thousand years ago. I guess you may even have had a (Roman) arena back then..?

(What is this rubbish, by the way, about Leicester having "invented" the English language? Languages aren't invented.)

And the capital of the East Midlands today is...?

Melton Mowbray.

The only people who think Nottingham is, or has ever been, the capital of anywhere are people from Nottingham.

Damn... They must have some great drugs there :lol:

Congratulations on being the undisputed administrative capital of the East Midlands between three thousand and two thousand years ago. I guess you may even have had a (Roman) arena back then..?

(What is this rubbish, by the way, about Leicester having "invented" the English language? Languages aren't invented.)

Well I'd say we have been the capital for three thousand years...I'm just saying it should be made official.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1055772.stm

There is no need for a regional capital, official or unofficial.

Now, I wonder where the the following regional organisations have independently sited their headquarters?

GOEM
Emda
BBC
Arts Council East Midlands
Regeneration East Midlands
The two East Midlands regional commercial radio stations
etc
etc

Some Quangos and a few little offices...I'm talking about the traditional, historic heart of the region - going back over centuries. Isn't the BBC moving to Manchester? Does that mean London is no longer the capital?

^^ Just give up!

Never!

Some Quangos and a few little offices...I'm talking about the traditional, historic heart of the region - going back over centuries. Isn't the BBC moving to Manchester? Does that mean London is no longer the capital?

London's still the capital?

Judging by your sense of chronology, I'd have thought you'd be campaigning for Winchester? (http://www.winchester.gov.uk/news/NewsArticle.asp?id=SX9452-A77F5262)

Well I'd say we have been the capital for three thousand years...I'm just saying it should be made official.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1055772.stm

I don't want to start an argument here but do people in general when visiting a place really give a fuck if it was the capital for two or three thousand years? The only true capital that people will visit in this country is London.
Are there any buildings in Leicester from that time that people will want to see?
The only reason most people will visit a place is based on it's appearance and the facilities it offers.

I think Leicester could promote itself in a much better way. My dad used to work in Leicester at the Cable & Wireless Office and he say's that he has never had a better curry anywhere else in the country except Leicester and him and his work mates always used to go out for a curry when they got the chance.

You should promote the fact that you offer traditional Asian cuisine. Maybe hold more international festivals along the Golden Mile to celebrate Leicester's multiculturalism(if that's a real word).
That is the kind of thing that will attract people as the English are huge fans of Asian food. It'll also increase the amount of money spent in the local area because people will spend money in other areas (shopping and drinking etc)

Leicester has a huge potential to promote itself and I think it should promote it more in that way.

Does anyone have any pictures of "The Golden Mile" btw I've not seen any.

The "Golden Mile" doesn't look very golden. Lots of shops selling gold jewellery in mainly converted terraced houses, with traffic lights every few yards. Should be called the "Amber Mile"...

In my opinion, the best curry house on Belgrave/Melton Road is Curry Fever. Several of the others are quite good down there too.

Leicester is more than just curries and being multi-cultural. There's a whole plethora of history as well. The buildings that are laying empty (i.e the castle great hall) need to be used and promoted more. The powers that be are letting the city down by not even opening museums for a long time and leaving historically important buildings to crumble.

We should have something like the Jorvik Centre. But based around telling the story of life in a Romano-British civitas.

Yes that's a good idea. With soo much history associated with the city, this would be ideal and could go right up to date.

Blimey...

How big do you want it to be!? :eek:

Obviously it won't include every single aspect of the city's history. :nuts: :lol:

Leicester is more than just curries and being multi-cultural. There's a whole plethora of history as well. The buildings that are laying empty (i.e the castle great hall) need to be used and promoted more. The powers that be are letting the city down by not even opening museums for a long time and leaving historically important buildings to crumble.

Yeh, of course that's just not what it's about but it has a huge advantage over other cities in that respect.
I just think it could be advertised better. I've never seen any advertising for that sort of thing for Leicester. Smarten "The Golden Mile" up abit if that's what's needed and start pulling the crowds in.
Have street carnivals and festivals with Asian music etc etc. That'd bring loads of money into Leicester.

There was talk of an 'Asia Town' type thing for there; which wasn't taken to well. If it works with China Towns then why not? It doesn't have to be seen as some kind of a ghetto.

I agree more needs to be done accross the board.

:dance: Forest Promoted! That was a nailbiter to listen to :nuts:

So we will be playing Derby in the league next year, but question is will we be playing Leicester??? :lol:

Answer is......not bloody likely :ohno:

And we'll be seeing you tight wearing tree lovers at the third gasometer (pride park)!

:dance: Forest Promoted! That was a nailbiter to listen to :nuts:

So we will be playing Derby in the league next year, but question is will we be playing Leicester??? :lol:

Through gritted teeth well done Forest!

C'mon Leicester we gotta stay and make it a competitive East Midlands next season. I will have mixed emotions though as my son has just signed for the Sheep......:lol:

:dance: Forest Promoted! That was a nailbiter to listen to :nuts:

So we will be playing Derby in the league next year, but question is will we be playing Leicester??? :lol:

Through gritted teeth well done Forest!

C'mon Leicester we gotta stay up and make it a compelling and competitive East Midlands next season. I will have mixed emotions though as my son has just signed for the Sheep......:lol:

:dance: Forest Promoted! That was a nailbiter to listen to :nuts:

It was a nailbiter being there!

COME ON, YOU REDS!!!

Fantastic atmosphere, great game, bring on the Derby!

Derbies.

Hopefully

Chuffed to bits with Forest's promotion. Just wished I was there! Hope a DVD of the game gets released or something!

^^ Absolutely delighted..

premiership in 1 years time maybe? lol... yeah right.

It took you three goes to get out of League 1. :tongue2:

God only knows how many it'll take us if things go pear shaped tomorrow :(

Enjoy your derby with Northampton next season...:)

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Leicester, deserved to lose, they have played absolutely awfully this season, to many player changes and management changes. The other smaller clubs have deserved to be where they are because they have wanted it more then us. We werent unlucky Leicester were overly inconsistent.

I dont see us getting out of of the third teir of footy very quickly either. It gets harder the lower you go

You're right - it's grim in League One. It's not the other teams particularly - Hull, Bristol City and Scunthorpe haven't exactly been glamour opposition for you this season. You might be playing other teams who have fallen from the Premiership - Bradford, Leeds, Swindon etc.

It's things like, starting the FA Cup in about November. Playing in the Johnson's Paint Trophy. Never seeing a report of your games in the national press (and, on that rare occasion when it appears, it will always start the same way: "Fallen Leicester City won the league cup, under Martin O Neill. Less than ten years later they are struggling to compete..." etc etc.)

You will expect to win most of your games as a "big" club, but teams won't just turn up to get beaten. They'll raise their game, and be uplifted, not intimidated by your smart stadium and recent history.

You will find it very hard to get good players. The sort of players you would like to come to Leicester are exactly the sort of players that will be interesting Championship clubs as well, and so, however much money you have, it's really hard to improve your squad.

Good luck!

All in all it's been a pretty rubbish season all round for the majority of clubs in our region. Derby relegated with the worst points total in Premier League history; Leicester dropping into the third tier for the first time in our history and Mansfield Town dropping out of the league altogether.

Add to that Notts County's slow decline (I wouldn't want to wager against them not joining the Stags sooner rather than later) and the consistent failure of teams like Northampton, Lincoln and Chesterfield to achieve anything more than mid-table mediocrity, and the only people left with anything to celebrate are the trees.

You're right - it's grim in League One. It's not the other teams particularly - Hull, Bristol City and Scunthorpe haven't exactly been glamour opposition for you this season. You might be playing other teams who have fallen from the Premiership - Bradford, Leeds, Swindon etc.

It's things like, starting the FA Cup in about November. Playing in the Johnson's Paint Trophy. Never seeing a report of your games in the national press (and, on that rare occasion when it appears, it will always start the same way: "Fallen Leicester City won the league cup, under Martin O Neill. Less than ten years later they are struggling to compete..." etc etc.)

You will expect to win most of your games as a "big" club, but teams won't just turn up to get beaten. They'll raise their game, and be uplifted, not intimidated by your smart stadium and recent history.

You will find it very hard to get good players. The sort of players you would like to come to Leicester are exactly the sort of players that will be interesting Championship clubs as well, and so, however much money you have, it's really hard to improve your squad.

Good luck!

I agree with all the above really - every team plays against you like its their cup final and your big support can really work against you if things start going pear shaped. Nevertheless, Leicester will return sooner rather than later.

It seems that one big side falls into league one every year now - Man City did it, Wednesday, Forest, Leeds and now Leicester. If I were a foxes fan I would want Leeds to get promoted in the play-offs, they will be very hard to stop in that league next season.

Thought of another mpment of grim realisation - when you look at the league tables on Teletext and you have to keep scrolling through the pages...

Shit football teams, but who really cares? Lets get back to building cracking buildings and seeing this region become better.

All in all it's been a pretty rubbish season all round for the majority of clubs in our region. Derby relegated with the worst points total in Premier League history; Leicester dropping into the third tier for the first time in our history and Mansfield Town dropping out of the league altogether.

Add to that Notts County's slow decline (I wouldn't want to wager against them not joining the Stags sooner rather than later) and the consistent failure of teams like Northampton, Lincoln and Chesterfield to achieve anything more than mid-table mediocrity, and the only people left with anything to celebrate are the trees.

I``m sure ur teams will taste success again, might take a while though!!teams in south yorks haven`t been doing that well either!good win for my team Sheff Wed today though and hopefully we will finally get this takeover thats been on the cards for ages!!by the way i would say that Chesterfield is more part of the Sheffield area that it is the east midlands!! radio Sheffield covers their games after all!anyway good luck Leicester in league one, its a tough league.

^^ It's technically in the East Midlands but it has more ties with Sheffield (most people commute to Sheff to work etc) that's why it's in the Sheffield forum.

Absolutely perfect weekend... couldn't be more happy about the promotion for our reds yesterday... give it 2 years and we will have a prem team back in nottm!!

It was a nailbiter being there!

COME ON, YOU REDS!!!

Fantastic atmosphere, great game, bring on the Derby!

Congrats on the promotion.

As for Derby...:ohno:

There really is no justice in football, shitty little teams like Wigan, Middlesbourogh, Bolton, Blackburn who play in half empty stadiums most of the time get to keep Premier league football, and teams like Derby who fill out the stadium week in week out go down.

Yes but the derby fans know what they're getting each week - mauled. With the likes of Middlesbrough, Bolton etc, you never know which side is going to turn up...

man i was properly lifted, buzzed, and generally grinny all through the weekend after the promotion. plus, that was all before the Detonate festival happened. all in all, a pretty satisfying weekend. nice weather as well.

Does anybody else think East Midlands Train's have a really crap livery on their trains?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/EMT_HST_43058_Leicester_AB1.JPG/800px-EMT_HST_43058_Leicester_AB1.JPG

Congrats on the promotion.

As for Derby...:ohno:

There really is no justice in football, shitty little teams like Wigan, Middlesbourogh, Bolton, Blackburn who play in half empty stadiums most of the time get to keep Premier league football, and teams like Derby who fill out the stadium week in week out go down.

I agree, I cant stand teams like Blackburn and Wigan, the sooner both the Sheffield clubs, Forest, Derby, Leeds etc get back in the premiership the better . Then we can have the most supported league in Europe again

Does anybody else think East Midlands Train's have a really crap livery on their trains?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/EMT_HST_43058_Leicester_AB1.JPG/800px-EMT_HST_43058_Leicester_AB1.JPG

Lol nice picture its almost camoflauged by that building!