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jasiozary
November 22nd, 2011, 10:52 AM
I don't know what to say! This stadium is worth the final of EURO2012! They think forward and made an athletic track, not like in Warsaw...

adeaide
November 23rd, 2011, 09:59 AM
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2517/kiev680.jpg

MS20
November 23rd, 2011, 12:21 PM
I don't know what to say! This stadium is worth the final of EURO2012! They think forward and made an athletic track, not like in Warsaw...

This stadium is renovated and not a new build. The athletics track was there to begin with.

jasiozary
November 23rd, 2011, 12:32 PM
This stadium is renovated and not a new build. The athletics track was there to begin with.

Yes, but it could just as well build in grandstand. Warsaw stadium is also not created from nothing.

For exemple in Zabrze track is being replaced by grandstands...

michał_
November 23rd, 2011, 03:10 PM
Yes, but it could just as well build in grandstand. Warsaw stadium is also not created from nothing.

For exemple in Zabrze track is being replaced by grandstands...

Warsaw and Zabrze are created from nothing - these are completely new structures. Kyiv used majority of its old structures, so we are talking about completely different things here...

Harisson
November 24th, 2011, 12:47 PM
by Tushkan (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=204160)

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Harisson
November 29th, 2011, 06:45 PM
Conference hall

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Jim856796
November 30th, 2011, 03:46 AM
The use of the new 13-floor structure to the west of the Olimpiysky Stadium has been revealed. And it is...

The Sheraton Kiev Olympiysky Hotel. A five-star hotel with 172 standard rooms and 18 suites, including three elite suites and a presidential suite of 150 square meters. It will also have a restaurant, a lobby-bar, and a bar on the roof.

One last question about the 13-floor building: How did it get conceived in the first place?

FredPerry
November 30th, 2011, 04:56 PM
Great stadium, I like it. Reminds me of olympics stadium in London, but this one in Kiev is much nicer.

Axelferis
November 30th, 2011, 05:26 PM
much more better than London olympic stadium for sure :)

But it wasn't designed with the same mentality.

London is a temporary structure that can evolve in the future and perhaps become the same than Kyiv

hugenholz
November 30th, 2011, 10:16 PM
Normally I don't like stadiums with athletic tracks but this stadium is a work of art. Knowing that this is a renovated stadium I really think that this venue is the right choice and really deserves the Euro 2012 finales.

Triple A stadium

diz
December 1st, 2011, 02:35 AM
so gorgeous!

Annaezett
December 1st, 2011, 05:21 AM
Its really annoying to watch football match in the athletic stadium. If You want to watch football then build a football stadium. Stadium like this only suitable for the stupid sport like athletic.

Andy-i
December 1st, 2011, 12:00 PM
Its really annoying to watch football match in the athletic stadium. If You want to watch football then build a football stadium. Stadium like this only suitable for the stupid sport like athletic.

Try reading the whole of the thread :bash:

It's not a new build, it's a renovation of an existing stadium.
Most of the stands are original. Only the VIP section is new
The track was already there. Would you just leave a big gap between the pitch and stands.
It's not a club ground and will only host a few games a year.
At least there isn't a massive space between the edge of the track and the stands like the London 2012 stadium.


I'm no fan of Athletic tracks in footy stadiums but in this case it's perfectly justifiable.

oxo
December 1st, 2011, 01:39 PM
^^
Compared to that incredibly awful London Olympic Stadium
the Kiev Olympic stadium really is an architectural masterpiece.

Kiev should have been hosting the 2012 Olympics instead.

gluten
December 3rd, 2011, 02:48 PM
Nice stadium for being a track and field stadium. Love the blue tracks and the colorur combination. As a swede I feel like home.

I understand that this is the stadium King Zlatan will dominate in June 2012 :cheers:

Looking forward to going to Kiev!

Annaezett
December 3rd, 2011, 03:59 PM
This stadium not deserve to host final world cup. The track stadium for football match extremely unacceptable. Bayern, juve, stutgart, m.city, bremen already moved or developed their stupid athletic stadium. I can't see why ukraine didnt realize it.

michał_
December 3rd, 2011, 04:18 PM
This stadium not deserve to host final world cup. The track stadium for football match extremely unacceptable. Bayern, juve, stutgart, m.city, bremen already moved or developed their stupid athletic stadium. I can't see why ukraine didnt realize it.
It won't host the World Cup final ;)

And you answered your own question. In Munich, Stuttgart, Torino and Manchester there are strong football clubs that either own or are primary tenants of their stadiums. This stadium hasn't got a club that would fill it. So football isn't the only day-to-day operation mode...

will101
December 3rd, 2011, 04:25 PM
I'm impressed. This is a superior design. Spectacular, really. It's too bad I'm 7,000 miles away. Normally I don't like track stadiums, but this is easily the best that I've seen.

andriy1988
December 3rd, 2011, 05:43 PM
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andriy1988
December 3rd, 2011, 05:44 PM
http://radikal.ua/data/upload/ba193/4efc3/8ad5dd4526.jpg (http://radikal.ua)

andriy1988
December 3rd, 2011, 05:50 PM
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Xtreminal
December 3rd, 2011, 09:17 PM
Wow, this stadium is better than in render. I guess sometimes it is opposite

IAmTheSuperI
December 4th, 2011, 12:45 AM
Very original and beauty. I like this fantastic stadium.

Laurence2011
December 4th, 2011, 11:56 AM
England shall play Sweden here :)

gluten
December 4th, 2011, 03:23 PM
for everyday games in a league, running tracks is terrible for the experience. But when it comes to championships as Euro and WC it's something extra with this kind of stadium.
Big and round, it just feels so epic.

Like Olympiastadion in Berlin, Maracanć in Rio, Ernst Happel in Wien.
Stadiums worthy a final.

Galandar
December 4th, 2011, 04:20 PM
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:drool:

andriy1988
December 7th, 2011, 02:38 PM
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andriy1988
December 9th, 2011, 07:06 PM
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b5254
December 9th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Sweden will beat Ukraine here. ;)

Just kidding. But the whole arena will be yellow and blue, that's for sure. :)

repin
December 12th, 2011, 04:18 PM
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/12/06/200915-a-view-shows-the-olympic-stadium-in-kiev.jpg


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Kiev Stadium ② (http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5Ay7/877)

Kiev Stadium ① (http://cafe.daum.net/stade/5Ay7/633)


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andriy1988
December 17th, 2011, 08:17 PM
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VitLen
December 21st, 2011, 10:49 AM
Skyline :cheers:

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http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/ua/gallery/photo_gallery/25539/

pyvovarcyk
December 23rd, 2011, 04:36 PM
September 2011

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http://www.tvis.com.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=167:mupkyiv2011&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=182

T3amgeist
December 24th, 2011, 01:24 AM
Sorry but this stadium is really ugly, especially the roof. :ohno:

SpicyMcHaggis
December 24th, 2011, 01:48 AM
Not really.. together with Berlin stadium its easily the best stadium with track in Europe..

masterpaul
December 25th, 2011, 05:45 AM
you mean together with Athens Olympic Stadium and Berlins :P

Nikola10
December 25th, 2011, 09:35 AM
i hate it even the roof it ugly

MrChavcore
December 25th, 2011, 08:48 PM
anyone who says this stadium is ugly needs their heads checked. absolutely stunning stadium.

Harisson
December 25th, 2011, 09:33 PM
The best Olympic Stadium in Europe :cheers:
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Jim856796
December 26th, 2011, 02:13 AM
If this National Stadium had a warmup track beside it, where would it be placed at, to the east of the stadium, or somewhere else in the district due to space constraints?

michał_
December 26th, 2011, 07:22 PM
If this National Stadium had a warmup track beside it, where would it be placed at, to the east of the stadium, or somewhere else in the district due to space constraints?
Isn't there a warm-up track underneath the stands?

Andy-i
December 27th, 2011, 08:57 PM
If this National Stadium had a warmup track beside it, where would it be placed at, to the east of the stadium, or somewhere else in the district due to space constraints?

Looks like there is one nearby already (top of picture, next to the football pitch). There is certainly no space to build one any nearer.

http://cfile273.uf.daum.net/image/136991214CC6251767ED05
Pic, courtesy of cafe.naum.net

Also, no plan or need to do so. I don't think Kiev has any intention of bidding for the Olympics does it?

potiz81
December 28th, 2011, 10:28 PM
The best Olympic Stadium in Europe :cheers:


Eeehm..:nono:

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RMB2007
December 28th, 2011, 10:34 PM
^^ Nah. Granted, the roof really is stunning, but the rest of the stadium in Athens is crap! As for the one in Kiev, well, GMP did good. The stadium certainly has a degree of class that it once lacked. :)

potiz81
December 28th, 2011, 10:45 PM
Why you consider the rest of the Athens stadium crap? Because it lacks of mall or shopping center? Once entering the Athens stadium, you get immediately the wow factor just being inside the stadium, under the cable roof.

masterpaul
December 29th, 2011, 01:39 AM
^^ Nah. Granted, the roof really is stunning, but the rest of the stadium in Athens is crap! As for the one in Kiev, well, GMP did good. The stadium certainly has a degree of class that it once lacked. :)

Has class but it doesnt come close to the Athens Olympic stadium. The bowl design is really good. Go see for yourself, book a ticket to Athens.

michał_
December 29th, 2011, 12:15 PM
Has class but it doesnt come close to the Athens Olympic stadium. The bowl design is really good. Go see for yourself, book a ticket to Athens.
Says a Greek odf Polish descent who has not been to Kyiv :) Really, why is that so much of a fuss that someone thinks this stadium is better than Athens? I actually can sympathise with that, despite respecting the Athens stadium as something remarkable.

Why you consider the rest of the Athens stadium crap? Because it lacks of mall or shopping center? Once entering the Athens stadium, you get immediately the wow factor just being inside the stadium, under the cable roof.
Have you got comparison with Kyiv to say that the Olympic Stadium doesn't give visitors the exact same 'wow factor' or even better?

NMAISTER007
January 10th, 2012, 06:02 PM
:cheers:

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.01.09.NSK.360/IMG_5913_SM_Wide.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.01.09.NSK.360/IMG_5980_SM.jpg

Elektraua
January 10th, 2012, 06:04 PM
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.01.09.NSK.360/IMG_5913_SM_Wide.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.01.09.NSK.360/IMG_5980_SM.jpg

360x180 Panorama here:
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.01.09.NSK.360/360/NSK360.swf

petrosnatevara
January 11th, 2012, 02:24 PM
It's really gorgeous!!! Regular form, but very stylish at the same time. Hope you feel comfortable while being inside.

Nikola10
January 13th, 2012, 06:07 AM
the rain can go through those little holes and people would be pissed

Andy-i
January 13th, 2012, 11:53 AM
^^^^

What a stupid post:bash:

Picture below clearly shows the covers over the "holes" you are so worried about!

:cheers:
http://pics.livejournal.com/karpovigorok/pic/000wwh64
http://karpovigorok.livejournal.com/68736.html

Nikola10
January 13th, 2012, 01:27 PM
ohhh now someone say it

WorldCupWatcher
January 14th, 2012, 09:54 PM
great renovation of a great stadium!

Perfect venue for the final.

Igor L.
January 16th, 2012, 08:49 PM
January 14, 2012



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passat1717
January 16th, 2012, 08:57 PM
Congrats Ukraine... great stadium. :master:
I hope, Croatia will play on them this year ;)

:cheers2:

WorldCupWatcher
January 16th, 2012, 10:36 PM
I'm amazed by that roof structure. Very cool!

Nikola10
January 17th, 2012, 12:44 AM
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GYEvanEFR
January 17th, 2012, 05:27 AM
I'm amazed by that roof structure. Very cool!

Me too...!!! :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

Elektraua
January 17th, 2012, 08:59 AM
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2011.11.13.NSK.Olymp/IMG_1576_SM.jpg

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WesTexas
January 18th, 2012, 05:34 PM
The roof looks cooler from the inside than the outside. Very nice Stadium.

robbery4774
January 19th, 2012, 12:45 PM
I love this stadium and the roof is awesome.
Kyiev and Berlin have the best european athletic stadium.

both own London, Athen, Istanbul, Roma, SDF :banana:

LubiePiwo
January 19th, 2012, 04:20 PM
The roof looks cooler from the inside than the outside. Very nice Stadium.
I agree :)

romaz
January 19th, 2012, 05:45 PM
Great stadium for Athletics, pity it won't meet the needs of Dynamo or Arsernal in the future. Don't understand why in this day and age, football has to be watch in an athetic stadium especially a UEFA sanction final. Does the NBA or Super BOWL final venues have a running track around them???? Great roof, pity its not a Football stadium!!!

WorldCupWatcher
January 20th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Great stadium for Athletics, pity it won't meet the needs of Dynamo or Arsernal in the future. Don't understand why in this day and age, football has to be watch in an athetic stadium especially a UEFA sanction final. Does the NBA or Super BOWL final venues have a running track around them???? Great roof, pity its not a Football stadium!!!

^^ Amen to that!

michał_
January 22nd, 2012, 09:59 PM
Don't understand why in this day and age, football has to be watch in an athetic stadium especially a UEFA sanction final.
Because it just so happens that Ukraine or any country for that matter would be really stupid to build two different stadiums if none of them had a permanent tenant just to satisfy comments like these. If a country decides to build a representative stadium, they have the right to build a multi-discipline venue, not a football-specific one.

romaz
January 23rd, 2012, 07:21 AM
Because it just so happens that Ukraine or any country for that matter would be really stupid to build two different stadiums if none of them had a permanent tenant just to satisfy comments like these. If a country decides to build a representative stadium, they have the right to build a multi-discipline venue, not a football-specific one.



True, but doesn't it make more sense that they build a small athletic venue (25,000) that can be expanded and have a Football-specific for Dynamo and Arsernal??? I don't understand apart from World championships or Olympic games is athletics going to be able to fill it up??? Its a waste of resources to me like the the London Olympic stadium!!!

oxo
January 23rd, 2012, 12:04 PM
True, but doesn't it make more sense that they build a small athletic venue (25,000) that can be expanded and have a Football-specific for Dynamo and Arsernal??? I don't understand apart from World championships or Olympic games is athletics going to be able to fill it up??? Its a waste of resources to me like the the London Olympic stadium!!!

That's right. It would make much more sense for a seperate additional venue to be built that would have a 30-40k capacity and cater for athletics along with other sports as well as hosting concert events.

The Ukranian authorities made a mistake by including an athletics track in this 70,000 seater venue and are probably beginning to quietly regret it.

ophizer
January 23rd, 2012, 06:17 PM
these comments are utterly ridiculous...the stadium was built 90 years ago, nobody decided to include a track just to waste resources because it was already there...

whether the decision to do a reconstruction vs. building a football only stadium instead is a different question...if dynamo or arsenal want a new stadium they should build one

Igor L.
January 23rd, 2012, 07:22 PM
Guys, I was at the stadium. For me... this stadium is simply magnificent. :cheers2:

romaz
January 24th, 2012, 10:47 AM
these comments are utterly ridiculous...the stadium was built 90 years ago, nobody decided to include a track just to waste resources because it was already there...

whether the decision to do a reconstruction vs. building a football only stadium instead is a different question...if dynamo or arsenal want a new stadium they should build one


The only ridiculous thing is that they didn't resolve the mistake that happened 90yrs ago. Kyiv Olympic stadium, common when is the IOC coming to town????

Dynamo and Arsenal are planning stadiums redevelopments, when it happens this stadium will become another white elephant!!!

ophizer
January 24th, 2012, 04:16 PM
The only ridiculous thing is that they didn't resolve the mistake that happened 90yrs ago. Kyiv Olympic stadium, common when is the IOC coming to town????

Dynamo and Arsenal are planning stadiums redevelopments, when it happens this stadium will become another white elephant!!!


Correct a problem?? Some people see problems where there are none. This is an athletics stadium and was always meant to stay as such. You see, football is not the only sport out there. Furthermore, as a country, how do you expect to compete in international competition (i.e. Olympics, World and European Championships in NON FOOTBALL related events) when you don't have the infrastructure? And I am not even referring to hosting any of these evens (although Ukraine has already stated it would bid for the right to host the next World Championships in athletics http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/athletics/14615-bubka-expects-ukraine-world-athletics-championships-bid-within-few-years). But on a national level, how do you expect to develop and inspire your future generation of athletes if this is your attitude towards them? I hope it will be unnecessary for me to mention that given the history and size of this complex, Kyiv has always been the hub of such activity.

As to your white elephant comment: 1) Dynamo Kyiv will be playing all of its league matches for the next 5 years here, 2) the Ukrainian national team will be playing it's international matches here, 3) the stadium will likely become the go to destination for major concerts and non-sporting events

Finally, the stadium is government owed and the reconstruction was fully paid for by the tax payers. So, I could never understand the argumentation that some people have provided in the past when referencing Kyiv's football teams. That is, the government should "correct" a stadium which clearly is intended for wider use, just so an oligarch club owner can indulge his vanity. As I have mentioned previously, do not worry about the owners of DK or Arsenal. They have more money than any member on this forum would know what to do with in five life times. And all this talk about building or reconstructing their own stadiums, well, I'll believe it when I see it. There's absolutely nothing that's prevented DK from reconstructing the Lobanovsky Stadium in the last 20 years or Arsenal from building that much hyped arena for 50K.

michał_
January 24th, 2012, 07:11 PM
The only ridiculous thing is that they didn't resolve the mistake that happened 90yrs ago. Kyiv Olympic stadium, common when is the IOC coming to town????
A history lesson: It already came to town when Moscow was the host city.

Dynamo and Arsenal are planning stadiums redevelopments, when it happens this stadium will become another white elephant!!!
Yeah, Arsenal with their astonishing 1,500 crowd avarage and Dynamo with their 8,500 would be a dream come true for a stadium this big...

romaz
January 25th, 2012, 08:02 AM
A history lesson: It already came to town when Moscow was the host city.

What for athletics or football???

Yeah, Arsenal with their astonishing 1,500 crowd avarage and Dynamo with their 8,500 would be a dream come true for a stadium this big...



"If you build it, he will comė" not taken from the film "Field of Dreams" but Juventus Della Empty stadio". Amazing what a football specific stadium does for attendences!!! Ask Juventus, Donesk, Bayern Muchen, all the Polska clubs etc etc.

romaz
January 25th, 2012, 08:36 AM
[QUOTE=michał_;87869029]A history lesson: It already came to town when Moscow was the host city

A history lesson: Exactly they came for football, didn't see any Kenyans running around the Kiev Olympic stadium???

I like the Sydney olympics. The main stadium becomes football mode and the outside former warm-up track stadium becomes a legacy feel good 25000 stadium for athletics.

In short every1 wins. Athetics gets their stadium, football gets the bigger stadium because sadly Michal they are the only ones capable in filling them. Granted marketing, football culture, sidelines etc etc must be all counted

oxo
January 26th, 2012, 05:08 PM
^^

It's very difficult to try and explain these matters to people such as Ophizer and Michal. They are still under some strange illusion that athletics will put bums on most of the seats at the Kiev Olympic stadium.

Neverthless Romaz, I admire your tenacity in trying to make them see sense.

ophizer
January 26th, 2012, 08:53 PM
^^

It's very difficult to try and explain these matters to people such as Ophizer and Michal. They are still under some strange illusion that athletics will put bums on most of the seats at the Kiev Olympic stadium.

Neverthless Romaz, I admire your tenacity in trying to make them see sense.

nobody is arguing with you that a stadium without the athletic tracks is much more enjoyable to watch a game....though I would encourage you to reread the last two pages and try to grasp the point being made....perhaps then we could have a useful discussion :cheers:

michał_
January 27th, 2012, 03:44 AM
A history lesson: Exactly they came for football, didn't see any Kenyans running around the Kiev Olympic stadium???
I was talking about the Olympics as an event explaining the name. It was there. PERIOD.

I like the Sydney olympics. The main stadium becomes football mode and the outside former warm-up track stadium becomes a legacy feel good 25000 stadium for athletics.

In short every1 wins. Athetics gets their stadium, football gets the bigger stadium because sadly Michal they are the only ones capable in filling them. Granted marketing, football culture, sidelines etc etc must be all counted.

Everyone wins only on one condition. That you live in Sydney. And Kyiv is not located anywhere near there. In case you don't recall, let me remind you that the redevelopment of Stadium Australia took place for the simple reason of accomodating an oval field for Australian football and cricket.
Newsflash: it's still NOT a football-specific stadium and offers views similar to an olympic one despite retractable seating. Not mentioning the maintenance cost of these. The hell of a win-win for football...

"If you build it, he will comė" not taken from the film "Field of Dreams" but Juventus Della Empty stadio". Amazing what a football specific stadium does for attendences!!! Ask Juventus, Donesk, Bayern Muchen, all the Polska clubs etc etc.
Haha, yeah, ask all the Polska clubs. You mean Lech Poznan struggling for attendances just under 20,000 at a 43,000 stadium? Or maybe Lechia Gdansk with even lower crowds? Or maybe Wisla Krakow with not even 15,000 on a 33,000 stadium? If you build it, you have to fill it. And not having a track around the pitch is no solution to the problem in itself. There are clubs that have the potential and others that don't. The sole fact that you even compare Juventus or Man U to Arsenal Kyiv gives a good insight into how much you know about this.

nobody is arguing with you that a stadium without the athletic tracks is much more enjoyable to watch a game....though I would encourage you to reread the last two pages and try to grasp the point being made....perhaps then we could have a useful discussion :cheers:
no need to try, he wasn't interested in any discussion at all. Apparently just goes personal when not having anything interesting to say.

oxo
January 27th, 2012, 10:38 AM
The point being made was that it was a mistake to retain the athletics track in a 70k capacity stadium. The stadium could have been redeveloped without the track.
Why no track?
The reason is that athletic events will not fill most of the seats in such a stadium and is therefore a waste of resources.
Understand a little beter now?

Anyway, I'm sure the vast majority of Ukrainians would much rather see Madonna perform at the stadium for example, rather than athletes running around a track.

ophizer
January 27th, 2012, 11:51 AM
The point being made was that it was a mistake to retain the athletics track in a 70k capacity stadium. The stadium could have been redeveloped without the track.
Why no track?
The reason is that athletic events will not fill most of the seats in such a stadium and is therefore a waste of resources.
Understand a little beter now?

nah, you're not a reader ONLY a writer :ohno:

I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself yet again: if one of the clubs had partnered with the government to redevelop the stadium and removed the tracks (and make it team specific etc) I would be 100% in agreement and defending that decision right now. But you see, unlike you, they don't seem to be losing much sleep over the tracks/no tracks debate. DK will be quite happy to be playing in a world class arena practically for nothing. I'm glad the tax payers didn't have to foot the additional costs associated with the conversion and, in fact, that would have been the "waste of resources" you speak of. Finally, and this is my personal opinion (but it was probably part of the overall decision making process by the authorities) every country needs a proper athletics/multi-use arena. Period.

Anyway, I'm sure the vast majority of Ukrainians would much rather see Madonna perform at the stadium for example, rather than athletes running around a track.

Unfortunately, you're quite right here. Ukrainians would much rather see a concert than watch a sporting event. Except that, it is also the case with football matches.

michał_
January 27th, 2012, 02:14 PM
The point being made was that it was a mistake to retain the athletics track in a 70k capacity stadium. The stadium could have been redeveloped without the track.
Why no track?
The reason is that athletic events will not fill most of the seats in such a stadium and is therefore a waste of resources.
Understand a little beter now?
Talking about waste of resources - you know how much this redevelopment cost the Ukrainian people? And keep in mind, it was a cost that didn't include changing the stands, only the main one was built from scratch and lower tier had prefabs renewed. Now can you imagine building a football-specific stadium of this size from scratch at that location? And without having ANY tenant to play there afterwards? Now that would be a waste of resources.


Anyway, I'm sure the vast majority of Ukrainians would much rather see Madonna perform at the stadium for example, rather than athletes running around a track.
That said, concerts hosted by 'olympic' stadiums are not one bit worse than those at football-specific stadiums.

oxo
January 28th, 2012, 11:58 AM
Every country needs a proper athletics/multi-use arena

Yes, and I will need a pair of binoculars to get "close to the action" when watching a match at the Kiev Olympic stadium.

Athletics and football in one venue make very awkward partners.

...without having ANY tenant to play there afterwards

Unless I've been misinformed, the main tenant would be the Ukraine national football team at the Kiev Olympic stadium. Would it not?

Concerts do not need tracks. In any case, the distance fom the back of the stands to the stage is too long for those sitting at or near the back of the stands in a stadium with tracks.
Its time to take those binoculars out again if your sitting there - this time to be able to see Madonna or whoever.

michał_
January 28th, 2012, 02:58 PM
Unless I've been misinformed, the main tenant would be the Ukraine national football team at the Kiev Olympic stadium. Would it not?
National teams play less than 10 home game a year at home, of which only the most important would be able to fill this stadium. That cannot be a major tenant for any large stadium. Only one of the possible uses.

Concerts do not need tracks. In any case, the distance fom the back of the stands to the stage is too long for those sitting at or near the back of the stands in a stadium with tracks.
Its time to take those binoculars out again if your sitting there - this time to be able to see Madonna or whoever.
Of course concerts don't need tracks, just as they don't need a football field- that's pretty obvious. But honestly, if you complain about the visibility from the further stands in Kyiv then I assume you despise all open air festivals where people sometimes stand 200-300 meters from the stage without the advantage of having seated covered auditorium for their sake.


Does any of our Ukrainian colleagues at the SSC know details of the deal signed by Dynamo about the lease of this stadium? "Kyiv Post" wrote about them taking a 5-year lease over the venue, but would not give any details whether this concerns all games and/or all available seating...

ophizer
January 28th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Yes, and I will need a pair of binoculars to get "close to the action" when watching a match at the Kiev Olympic stadium.

Athletics and football in one venue make very awkward partners.

something tells me that you will never watch a match in your lifetime in this stadium....you're only here for a good time ;)

but hey, i hope i'm wrong, and i'll see you at the first euro game at the Olympic between Ukraine and Sweeden :cheers:

ophizer
January 28th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Does any of our Ukrainian colleagues at the SSC know details of the deal signed by Dynamo about the lease of this stadium? "Kyiv Post" wrote about them taking a 5-year lease over the venue, but would not give any details whether this concerns all games and/or all available seating...

Here's an interview with the managing director of NSC Olympic, it's in Ukrainian though, http://www.ukraine2012.gov.ua/news/182/51033/

quick synopsis:

1) the contract is for five years
2) DK will play all it's matches here, ie league matches, cup matches (including with teams from lower leagues), Champions and Europa League matches
3) interestingly, the management of the stadium wanted to ink a deal with a third team (read Arsenal) as well, but DK was insistent that they are the only tenant and were ready to walk away from the deal if this condition was not met. Their reasoning was that the pitch would not be able to handle three teams (DK, national team, Arsenal)
4) DK is responsible for all expenses associated with the matches; the revenue sharing is as follows: 50:50 for UPL games, 20:80 with the lager share going to the club for CL and EL
5) DK gets 7% from fast food take by the stadium

One point of concern, reading between the lines it seems that the deal does not even have an up front rental fee but is based on a game by game model. Obviously this is great for the club considering that they will be playing in a world class arena without having spent a penny on renovation. They have minimized their risks completely, especially if you take into account their miniscule attendance (~8K) and the capital intensive nature of building your own stadium. If you ask me, the club made out like a bandit here, and the fans should have no moral right to complain about the tracks because this will be reflected in the club's ticket pricing policies (tickets start at 10 hrynya, 1.25 dollars) for league matches.

oxo
January 28th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Here's an interview with the managing director of NSC Olympic, it's in Ukrainian though, http://www.ukraine2012.gov.ua/news/182/51033/

quick synopsis:

1) the contract is for five years
2) DK will play all it's matches here, ie league matches, cup matches (including with teams from lower leagues), Champions and Europa League matches
3) interestingly, the management of the stadium wanted to ink a deal with a third team (read Arsenal) as well, but DK was insistent that they are the only tenant and were ready to walk away from the deal if this condition was not met. Their reasoning was that the pitch would not be able to handle three teams (DK, national team, Arsenal)
4) DK is responsible for all expenses associated with the matches; the revenue sharing is as follows: 50:50 for UPL games, 20:80 with
the lager share going to the club for CL and EL
5) DK gets 7% from fast food take by the stadium

One point of concern, reading between the lines it seems that the deal does not even have an up front rental fee but is based on a game by game model. Obviously this is great for the club considering that they will be playing in a world class arena without having spent a penny on renovation. They have minimized their risks completely, especially if you take into account their miniscule attendance (~8K) and the capital intensive nature of building your own stadium. If you ask me, the club made out like a bandit here, and the fans should have no moral right to complain about the tracks because this will be reflected in the club's ticket pricing policies (tickets start at 10 hrynya, 1.25 dollars) for league matches.

Don't want to make a big deal about the track - its there so it will just have to be tolerated.

The rest of the stadium is impressive (especially the roof) and deserves to be holding the final match of the tournament.

At least the track will help in giving the final match of the tournament an epic feel - gargantuan and larger-than-life.

ophizer
January 28th, 2012, 08:36 PM
At least the track will help in giving the final match of the tournament an epic feel - gargantuan and larger-than-life.

here's to every game being epic
:cheers:

oxo
January 28th, 2012, 08:47 PM
Michal: Where people sometimes stand 200-300 meters from the stage without the advantage of having seated covered auditorium for their sake.

When I go to a concert at a stadium I do not expect a Jarocin (Polish Woodstock/Glastonbury type festival).
These types of field events are fine for tent-life, making love, smoking dope, lying about on the grass – things you would generally not be doing in a stadium.

If I am unlucky enough to be sitting near the back of the stands in a stadium I want to see the performers on stage resonably clearly without the use of binoculars.

oxo
January 28th, 2012, 08:52 PM
here's to every game being epic
:cheers:

And here''s to Poland and Ukraine reaching the final match of Euro 2012.

:cheers:

Ha!
Maybe in the next world.

ophizer
January 28th, 2012, 09:08 PM
And here''s to Poland and Ukraine reaching the final match of Euro 2012.

:cheers:

Ha!
Maybe in the next world.

hey, thought is creative!!! if enough people believe in it, it will surely happen :)

romaz
January 29th, 2012, 10:46 AM
[QUOTE=michał_;87952518]I was talking about the Olympics as an event explaining the name. It was there. PERIOD.

Well I was explaining about the main olympic event at the main stadium not the proxy smaller events such as sailings located at other cities. Period!!!!!

romaz
January 29th, 2012, 11:08 AM
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Everyone wins only on one condition. That you live in Sydney. And Kyiv is not located anywhere near there. In case you don't recall, let me remind you that the redevelopment of Stadium Australia took place for the simple reason of accomodating an oval field for Australian football and cricket.
Newsflash: it's still NOT a football-specific stadium and offers views similar to an olympic one despite retractable seating. Not mentioning the maintenance cost of these. The hell of a win-win for football...

michał_
January 29th, 2012, 06:16 PM
One point of concern, reading between the lines it seems that the deal does not even have an up front rental fee but is based on a game by game model. Obviously this is great for the club considering that they will be playing in a world class arena without having spent a penny on renovation. They have minimized their risks completely, especially if you take into account their miniscule attendance (~8K) and the capital intensive nature of building your own stadium. If you ask me, the club made out like a bandit here, and the fans should have no moral right to complain about the tracks because this will be reflected in the club's ticket pricing policies (tickets start at 10 hrynya, 1.25 dollars) for league matches.
That indeed sounds like a huge deal for Dynamo. At the same time - NSC were pretty much forced to get Dynamo to play there, without them this stadium would stand empty most of the time. Thus the grateful lease conditions. Or wasn't that the reason?

ophizer
January 29th, 2012, 11:20 PM
That indeed sounds like a huge deal for Dynamo. At the same time - NSC were pretty much forced to get Dynamo to play there, without them this stadium would stand empty most of the time. Thus the grateful lease conditions. Or wasn't that the reason?

I agree. They had to make the deal and both are better off with the team playing here. I'm a DK fan; hopefully they can improve their play and do some damage in CL. That is probably the only way to sell out the stadium and ensure a higher revenue stream.

Having said that, it's hard to get the bitter taste out of your mouth when there's so much sense of entitlement and arrogance. This has a trickle down effect too: from the team's management, to the disregard of it's fan base, to its malaise on the field this past decade. This is especially evident when you are competing with a team like Shakhtar that is emulating the best practices from the western teams. A practice that includes, among others, investment in infrastructure and owning your own state of the art stadium.

michał_
January 30th, 2012, 03:03 AM
Having said that, it's hard to get the bitter taste out of your mouth when there's so much sense of entitlement and arrogance. This has a trickle down effect too: from the team's management, to the disregard of it's fan base, to its malaise on the field this past decade. This is especially evident when you are competing with a team like Shakhtar that is emulating the best practices from the western teams. A practice that includes, among others, investment in infrastructure and owning your own state of the art stadium.
So what happened to the idea of having a private stadium in Kyiv? I read about it just a few months ago and for what I understood a 25k (?) stadium was still a plan for Dynamo's long term future.

romaz
January 30th, 2012, 02:18 PM
So what happened to the idea of having a private stadium in Kyiv? I read about it just a few months ago and for what I understood a 25k (?) stadium was still a plan for Dynamo's long term future.





It got blown out of the water by guys like you thinking an Olympic track stadium was a solution. Now you have a government funded stadium hostage to a club, a bit like the London Olympic stadium begging for a viable tenant to share along with athletics. Its like putting a round peg in a square hole, never works.

romaz
January 30th, 2012, 02:29 PM
Everyone wins only on one condition. That you live in Sydney. And Kyiv is not located anywhere near there. In case you don't recall, let me remind you that the redevelopment of Stadium Australia took place for the simple reason of accomodating an oval field for Australian football and cricket.
Newsflash: it's still NOT a football-specific stadium and offers views similar to an olympic one despite retractable seating. Not mentioning the maintenance cost of these. The hell of a win-win for football...



Didn't understand your rambling of the first paragraph, everyone knows Sydney is not near Kiev. Great you know your geography. Lived in Sydney for 10 yrs and if you did your research properly you would have known that the retratable seating was done for Rugby League, the other sports were mere afterthoughts. Its not a football specific but comparing its views to an Olympic stadium is ridiculous. Just pointed out how Rugby League got their stadium by kicking out Athletics!!!!

romaz
January 30th, 2012, 02:42 PM
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Haha, yeah, ask all the Polska clubs. You mean Lech Poznan struggling for attendances just under 20,000 at a 43,000 stadium? Or maybe Lechia Gdansk with even lower crowds? Or maybe Wisla Krakow with not even 15,000 on a 33,000 stadium? If you build it, you have to fill it. And not having a track around the pitch is no solution to the problem in itself. There are clubs that have the potential and others that don't. The sole fact that you even compare Juventus or Man U to Arsenal Kyiv gives a good insight into how much you know about this.



Thats a big improvement for the Polish League isn't it???? Its about building for the future and marketing to have a football culture. Its about having the right infustructure in place and stopping a Seria A malaise of having a host of Italia 90 track stadiums that are wrong for clubs. It may work or blow up in their faces, but no one can say nowadays that those stadiums are counter productive for football. By the way I've never compared Arsenal Kiev to Man U or Juventus, you made that one up!!!!


no need to try, he wasn't interested in any discussion at all. Apparently just goes personal when not having anything interesting to say.[/QUOTE]


Trust me only interested in discussion, nothing personal!!!!:)

Harisson
February 3rd, 2012, 12:39 AM
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February 13th, 2012, 07:21 PM
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TarasUA
February 13th, 2012, 08:10 PM
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PaulFCB
February 13th, 2012, 09:22 PM
The stadium is nice, I like the facade and the roof, but I simply can't like it overall because of it's big athletics track, maybe the upper tier can offer a good view of the field, for example, when I was in Barcelona, I had a good view from the top seats at Montjuic, but those "good view" seats were limited in number, top tier, center positioning...etc.

Rohatynets
February 14th, 2012, 03:26 AM
it's big athletics track

aren't athletic tracks dimenions fairly a standard ? Or are there any "small" athletic tracks :lol: ?

upd yep, a standard (http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Competitions/TechnicalArea/04/63/95/20081202044225_httppostedfile_Fig_2.2.1.6a_Marking_Outdoor_7462.pdf)

PaulFCB
February 14th, 2012, 05:04 PM
Yes, there are non-Olympic athletics track or other things, this one is a Olympic big ass athletics track, making the stadium very unpractical for football.

Of course, it's still much better than Luzhniki, thanks to it's stands, but it still cannot compete with any other stadium without track from the Euro.

Axelferis
February 14th, 2012, 08:16 PM
beautiful

oxo
February 15th, 2012, 11:17 AM
^^
Yes, compared to Wembley the Kiev Olympic stadium is an architectural masterpiece.

Much more simpler, lighter and elegant.

hseugut
February 15th, 2012, 12:29 PM
Superbe stade !

Skysteel
February 16th, 2012, 11:59 AM
!!
andron, я добавлю еще несколько хороших:

http://www.gmp-architekten.de/typo3temp/pics/10066c30a2.jpg

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Axelferis
February 16th, 2012, 12:19 PM
the track color has been changed? It was red the match vs germany no?

Akasuna
February 16th, 2012, 12:48 PM
I like this colour, it's Ukrainia drap !

Skysteel
February 16th, 2012, 01:31 PM
the track color has been changed?
changed in graphic redactor

GYEvanEFR
February 17th, 2012, 06:12 AM
del

andriy1988
February 17th, 2012, 08:01 AM
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http://i42.tinypic.com/15nsxfb.jpg

ramanujann
February 17th, 2012, 09:56 AM
changed in graphic redactor

Do you know when they are going to change it? The blue color is much nicer!

Harisson
February 17th, 2012, 10:59 AM
Do you know when they are going to change it? The blue color is much nicer!
when the weather permits ;)

FredPerry
February 17th, 2012, 05:15 PM
It's beautiful, it's like a monument.

DimitriB
February 19th, 2012, 09:40 PM
I'm not a fan of blue track, but in this stadium, it has to be blue. Colours of Ukraine !!!

eagle in sky
February 19th, 2012, 10:20 PM
I'm not a fan of blue track, but in this stadium, it has to be blue. Colours of Ukraine !!!

Also Dinamo Kiev

NMAISTER007
February 23rd, 2012, 10:13 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/15nsxfb.jpg

Gotta love this angle :)

MrChavcore
February 23rd, 2012, 01:35 PM
^^ gotta love this stadium. its stunning.

DimitriB
February 23rd, 2012, 04:15 PM
Also Dinamo Kiev

True !

NMAISTER007
February 23rd, 2012, 08:22 PM
Im gonna go to the Dynamo vs Arsenal (Kyiv) match that will be on this stadium (This will also be Dynamo Kyiv's first game on their new arena), and I will surely take some photos and upload them on here :)

MrChavcore
February 24th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Im gonna go to the Dynamo vs Arsenal (Kyiv) match that will be on this stadium (This will also be Dynamo Kyiv's first game on their new arena), and I will surely take some photos and upload them on here :)

please do! when is it? cant wait to see this beauty in the summer with all the euro fans in the stadium bringing color and atmosphere. stadium wise i think these euro's will actually trump portugal '04.

NMAISTER007
February 24th, 2012, 02:57 PM
please do! when is it? cant wait to see this beauty in the summer with all the euro fans in the stadium bringing color and atmosphere. stadium wise i think these euro's will actually trump portugal '04.

The match is on the 4th of March. The only thing that sucks is that I will be sitting in the 73rd sector, so I won't have the best view of the stadium it self, but still I will take as much photos as I can :)

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/imglib/.thumbs/e43b656f0c3a0a1373c18af60bb89791_500_0_0.jpg

NMAISTER007
February 25th, 2012, 02:05 AM
I heard that approximately 37 thousand tickets were sold for the Dynamo Kyiv vs Arsenal Kyiv match. A lot of Ukrainian football fans tend to buy tickets right before the match so I reckon there will be about 45-60 thousands fans :)

NMAISTER007
February 26th, 2012, 08:14 PM
They are already preparing the arena for Dynamo's first game on their new stadium :)

http://s017.radikal.ru/i444/1202/91/3a743fd89db8.jpg

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MrChavcore
February 26th, 2012, 11:04 PM
i wonder what the chances are of kyiv bidding to host an olympics in the near future? to me this stadium could host an olympics in a heartbeat although i know that a lot more infrastructure would need to be built to make it feasible.

mrsashko
February 27th, 2012, 12:09 AM
i wonder what the chances are of kyiv bidding to host an olympics in the near future? to me this stadium could host an olympics in a heartbeat although i know that a lot more infrastructure would need to be built to make it feasible.

As of right now, there are plans for a different Ukrainian city to host winter olympics - Lviv. As for Kiev, a bit more work needs to be done.... but it definitely got a head start.

Elektraua
February 29th, 2012, 08:39 PM
today

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Igor L.
March 1st, 2012, 08:08 AM
today

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Great shot! :cheers2:

andriy1988
March 1st, 2012, 12:06 PM
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Andy-i
March 2nd, 2012, 03:01 PM
i wonder what the chances are of kyiv bidding to host an olympics in the near future? to me this stadium could host an olympics in a heartbeat although i know that a lot more infrastructure would need to be built to make it feasible.

They should bid for the World Athletics championships. It would be far easier to host than the Olympics, which is stupidly bloated with unnecessary sports and would bankrupt most countires to put on nowadays!

NMAISTER007
March 2nd, 2012, 10:17 PM
Dynamo's first training on their new stadium before their first game this sunday :) (I will upload some photos of the stadium during the match and maybe even a video)

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5607/126296702.e/0_8717b_864b499b_XXL.jpg

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GYEvanEFR
March 3rd, 2012, 03:00 AM
^^ The running track still radish red???
I Think it will better if it's blue as Ukrainian Flag.

NMAISTER007
March 4th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Dynamo's first match on their new stadium was successful, winning 1-0 against Arsenal Kyiv :) I was on the match and took photos and video clips and il upload them asap.

NMAISTER007
March 4th, 2012, 07:33 PM
Here are all the photos (That I took) as promised from the match: Dynamo Kyiv 1-0 Arsenal Kyiv on this stadium :) Il try and get the video finished by tomorrow.

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http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417538_10150637190964765_754769764_9000216_448373048_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/64747_10150637191434765_754769764_9000220_761829914_n.jpg

pawel19-87
March 4th, 2012, 10:02 PM
Attendance: 51,283 :okay:

Andre_idol
March 4th, 2012, 11:26 PM
The pics of the full stadium give the feeling of a great atmosphere on the stadium!

Will the stairs get another colour? Or some kind of "treatment"? Maybe it“s just me but I don“t like the way they look.

NMAISTER007
March 4th, 2012, 11:45 PM
Qfiu-04LzdM

hhhhh
March 5th, 2012, 03:19 AM
This stadium is very CooL.

MrChavcore
March 5th, 2012, 02:13 PM
this stadium is going to look so much better in the summer when its warm and people can wear their teams colours in the stands. i love it.

Igor L.
March 5th, 2012, 05:29 PM
March 4, 2012



http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6101/156290140.0/0_896ae_af03cf65_XXL.jpg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5608/156290140.0/0_896b4_c2d2de82_XXL.jpg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6200/156290140.0/0_896b7_ffbff5cd_XXL.jpg

NMAISTER007
March 5th, 2012, 09:12 PM
I finally finished the video, as promised :)

4UsmUJtD9HA

BOSDAN
March 5th, 2012, 09:59 PM
I wonder if this stadium will get to host a UEFA Champions League Final at some point in the future.

ManoWar99
March 5th, 2012, 10:31 PM
I finally finished the video, as promised :)

4UsmUJtD9HA

I am going to vent a bit, and i want to let you know that i don't have anything personally against you.
First, great editing skills and nice video, you are obviously very gifted at editing and compiling videos.

But.... your video is horrible for what it is supposed to show. It is supposed to show the stadium, the atmosphere and game. The music you've put doesn't help us hear the atmosphere, hear that roar that we all love at football grounds. The effects u used doesn't allow us to see the stadium properly, or understand the game that was played. The colour and shaky effect don't help at all.

This is a problem that i constantly see with most soccer game highlight videos. I don't understand why people don't leave it in its original form, makes for a much better video and experience.

But i appreciate the effort in making that video

NMAISTER007
March 5th, 2012, 11:27 PM
I am going to vent a bit, and i want to let you know that i don't have anything personally against you.
First, great editing skills and nice video, you are obviously very gifted at editing and compiling videos.

But.... your video is horrible for what it is supposed to show. It is supposed to show the stadium, the atmosphere and game. The music you've put doesn't help us hear the atmosphere, hear that roar that we all love at football grounds. The effects u used doesn't allow us to see the stadium properly, or understand the game that was played. The colour and shaky effect don't help at all.

This is a problem that i constantly see with most soccer game highlight videos. I don't understand why people don't leave it in its original form, makes for a much better video and experience.

But i appreciate the effort in making that video

Thanks for your honest opinion. I know that I should have filmed a bit more of the stadium and that is something that I will keep in mind next time Il film a match. This video wasn't really meant to be a highlight video, I wanted to make it more of a trailer which is why I added some effects. The best highlights videos are the one's that are recorded on television.

andriy1988
March 13th, 2012, 05:20 PM
http://radikal.ua/data/upload/6895e/05615/661c5d3771.jpg

http://radikal.ua/data/upload/fb1a9/fb1a9/590cd049a1.jpg

http://radikal.ua/data/upload/05615/0fccf/ebac5c69be.jpg

Igor L.
March 14th, 2012, 01:21 AM
A good arena :cheers2:

master_klon
March 14th, 2012, 10:00 AM
Thanks for your honest opinion. I know that I should have filmed a bit more of the stadium and that is something that I will keep in mind next time Il film a match. This video wasn't really meant to be a highlight video, I wanted to make it more of a trailer which is why I added some effects. The best highlights videos are the one's that are recorded on television.

Its a matter of personal opinion. I loved your video. :cheers:
Maybe two videos to please everyone?

MrChavcore
March 14th, 2012, 01:15 PM
I am going to vent a bit, and i want to let you know that i don't have anything personally against you.
First, great editing skills and nice video, you are obviously very gifted at editing and compiling videos.

But.... your video is horrible for what it is supposed to show. It is supposed to show the stadium, the atmosphere and game. The music you've put doesn't help us hear the atmosphere, hear that roar that we all love at football grounds. The effects u used doesn't allow us to see the stadium properly, or understand the game that was played. The colour and shaky effect don't help at all.

This is a problem that i constantly see with most soccer game highlight videos. I don't understand why people don't leave it in its original form, makes for a much better video and experience.

But i appreciate the effort in making that video

completely unnecessary. :ohno:

Elektraua
March 18th, 2012, 09:34 PM
http://elektraua.info/content/Photos/Night/IMG_9058_SM.jpg

opMAX
March 18th, 2012, 10:21 PM
^^just amazing:bow:

Igor L.
March 19th, 2012, 10:43 PM
http://elektraua.info/content/Photos/Night/IMG_9058_SM.jpg

:cheers2:

Rohatynets
March 20th, 2012, 12:06 AM
del

mrsashko
March 20th, 2012, 12:12 AM
the owner posted this photo 2 posts above yours

LOL, he did everything correctly. He was quoting the owner!

Elektraua
March 20th, 2012, 12:30 AM
http://i.piccy.info/i7/f1878378645c7e509dabd1883360f481/1-5-5901/50811761/IMG_9141_SM.jpg

Rohatynets
March 20th, 2012, 01:59 AM
LOL, he did everything correctly. He was quoting the owner!

sorry, my bad :lol: long working day :nuts:

Elektraua
March 20th, 2012, 03:31 PM
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9019_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9058_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9064_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9073_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9092_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9096_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9099_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9105_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9112_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9117_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9141_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9144_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.03.18.NSK/IMG_9150_SM.jpg

http://elektraua.livejournal.com/68315.html (http://elektraua.livejournal.com/68315.html)

Palych
March 20th, 2012, 03:52 PM
^^
Thanks for amazing photos!

The match was on Sunday (18.03.2012)
Ukrainian premier league
Dynamo Kyiv - Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk

Attendance - 68 014
:cheers:

zt-gregori
March 21st, 2012, 09:51 PM
18.03.2012
Dynamo - Dnipro

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6102/38534933.17/0_7b924_5dcca891_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/gregori-15/view/506148/)
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alexandru.mircea
March 24th, 2012, 06:45 PM
^ interesting, it looks like a 50k at best in those pics.

sky diver 29
March 24th, 2012, 06:53 PM
lol,on those pict. i guess its before the game,thats why it looks like not full...look at the night pict...im sure it was 68k

alexandru.mircea
March 24th, 2012, 07:06 PM
^ capacity, not attendance

VitLen
March 30th, 2012, 09:07 AM
^ interesting, it looks like a 50k at best in those pics.

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/ua/gallery/photo_gallery/27232/

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/imglib/_newimage/gallery/photo_gallery/27232/27264/869.jpg

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/imglib/_newimage/gallery/photo_gallery/27232/27263/869.jpg

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/imglib/_newimage/gallery/photo_gallery/27232/27261/869.jpg

a little

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/imglib/_newimage/gallery/photo_gallery/27232/28288/869.jpg

http://www.nsc-olimpiyskiy.com.ua/imglib/_newimage/gallery/photo_gallery/27232/27262/869.jpg

alexandru.mircea
March 30th, 2012, 01:50 PM
^ amazing how different can look pics of the same thing

Deo
March 30th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Cool photos from Kiev! Greetings from Poland!

Igor L.
April 10th, 2012, 12:25 AM
the last week



http://s019.radikal.ru/i612/1204/95/387842f4aa9a.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i602/1204/ef/3a04a06744bf.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i628/1204/e7/3dd0f291cd0a.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i629/1204/f3/d044e9ee58a1.jpg

http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/1204/c1/46e199d7bac0.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i633/1204/94/9b8ee4429bcd.jpg

http://i044.radikal.ru/1204/31/a8891fc5c29f.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i636/1204/91/d5ea3f8c6f3d.jpg

http://s017.radikal.ru/i417/1204/e2/15b9989a74f0.jpg

krnboy1009
April 10th, 2012, 05:56 AM
Great looking stadium. Who usually plays here?

Goalez
April 10th, 2012, 06:48 AM
Great looking stadium. Who usually plays here?

FC Dynamo Kyiv and Ukraine national football team.

Kriativus
April 10th, 2012, 08:51 AM
:drool:

undertaker89
April 10th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Fantastic stadium! Is this building on the 5. photo stadium's hotel or what?

Igor L.
April 10th, 2012, 11:39 PM
^^ This is Sheraton Hotel



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7KLlCIospPA/TpKrsVkZlRI/AAAAAAAAJqk/j_sww6Vpnx0/s900/IMG_0705.jpg
http://holy-mozart.livejournal.com/



http://pics.livejournal.com/tov_tob/pic/005hqgrc
http://tov-tob.livejournal.com/



http://radikal.ua/data/upload/4efc3/69fda/1f4666e661.jpg
http://big-bana-bu.io.ua/album482394

NMAISTER007
April 11th, 2012, 11:04 AM
The Euro 2012 banners/ads have been tried on before the tournament

http://ukraine2012.gov.ua/upload/medialibrary/a4e/a4ed3e6b7f10b5d7089f59499cb847c5.jpg

http://ukraine2012.gov.ua/upload/medialibrary/911/911394fcee16901414420f3bf568d988.jpg


P.S- After Dynamo Kyiv's match against Vorskla this saturday, they should start placing the blue tracks.

Igor L.
April 13th, 2012, 11:55 AM
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6206/35621073.241/0_98aff_79aa5514_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/hawk5555/view/625407/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/hawk5555/view/625407/

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6106/35621073.241/0_98b01_cb5e3fc_XXL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/hawk5555/view/625409/)
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/hawk5555/view/625409/

Harisson
May 5th, 2012, 10:26 PM
Almost done ​​the blue running track:

http://shakhtar.com/data/imgdata/galeries/2859/123354__max_gal.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/ru/news/21837

orland
May 5th, 2012, 11:17 PM
^^Just to make it clear, they have already done it blue. This is real photo. The only thing to be done are markings.

GYEvanEFR
May 7th, 2012, 03:54 PM
Almost done ​​the blue running track:

http://shakhtar.com/data/imgdata/galeries/2859/123354__max_gal.jpg
http://shakhtar.com/ru/news/21837

^^ a little reminds me with Daegu stadium's pitch. :angel1::angel1::angel1::angel1:

T.Dream
May 8th, 2012, 12:39 AM
The Euro 2012 banners/ads have been tried on before the tournament

http://ukraine2012.gov.ua/upload/medialibrary/a4e/a4ed3e6b7f10b5d7089f59499cb847c5.jpg

http://ukraine2012.gov.ua/upload/medialibrary/911/911394fcee16901414420f3bf568d988.jpg


P.S- After Dynamo Kyiv's match against Vorskla this saturday, they should start placing the blue tracks.

Are you sure it's a LED Display for the EURO 2012 and what is the Black banners on the Low level ?

master_klon
May 8th, 2012, 01:10 AM
Are you sure it's a LED Display for the EURO 2012 and what is the Black banners on the Low level ?

The signage next to the pitch is not LED, but the signage just in front of the stand is.

T.Dream
May 8th, 2012, 11:16 AM
The signage next to the pitch is not LED, but the signage just in front of the stand is.

The signage next to the pitch is for me LED similar to the World Cup 2010
But I prefer No-Led Ad because with the sun it's dificult to see the ads !

www.sercan.de
May 8th, 2012, 11:57 AM
Roof looks "arabic" to me or is an ukranian element?

MrChavcore
May 8th, 2012, 06:31 PM
The signage next to the pitch is for me LED similar to the World Cup 2010
But I prefer No-Led Ad because with the sun it's dificult to see the ads !

you are aware you're meant to be watching the game and not the ad's right?

b5254
May 8th, 2012, 11:32 PM
you are aware you're meant to be watching the game and not the ad's right?
I was thinking the same. You look at the game, not the ads. At least me. :lol:

Ngiks
May 9th, 2012, 09:41 AM
The seats is so addorable

undertaker89
May 9th, 2012, 11:14 AM
you are aware you're meant to be watching the game and not the ad's right?

:rofl:

Marbur66
May 10th, 2012, 12:05 AM
you are aware you're meant to be watching the game and not the ad's right?

Lol, exactly. Screw the ads, I say. The less of them I see, the better. Anyway, the stadium is really magnificent, and I can't wait for the tournament! :cheers:

GYEvanEFR
May 10th, 2012, 04:39 AM
Roof looks "arabic" to me or is an ukranian element?

Actually, It isn't new idea. The first one can be found in Kuwait city's largest stadium. I always think it will be useful for strong windy place (not sandstorm).

Igor L.
May 10th, 2012, 04:45 PM
Roof looks "arabic" to me or is an ukranian element?

This is a "international element"=) ;)

Igor L.
May 10th, 2012, 05:06 PM
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_3173_SM.jpg
http://elektraua.livejournal.com/

Igor L.
May 10th, 2012, 05:08 PM
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_2916_SM.jpg
http://elektraua.livejournal.com/

undertaker89
May 10th, 2012, 06:03 PM
Just fantastic!

Elektraua
May 10th, 2012, 07:07 PM
http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_2926_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_2940_IMG_2996-24-images_CROPPED_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_3064_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_3128_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_3138_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/IMG_3168_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/Pano2_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/Pano3_SM.jpg

http://photoe.kiev.ua/Photos/2012.05.08.NSK/Pano1_SM.jpg

http://elektraua.livejournal.com

Marbur66
May 10th, 2012, 08:00 PM
I am surprised that Ukraine will only be playing 1 group game at this stadium, considering the huge capacity.

ramanujann
May 10th, 2012, 09:13 PM
Amazing stadium! I like the blue running tracks very much.

karnilla
May 10th, 2012, 09:20 PM
:omg::drool: stunning!

MrChavcore
May 10th, 2012, 10:36 PM
better than berlin? its a close one!

MS20
May 12th, 2012, 06:30 AM
Wow! Amazing as the national stadium. Dynamo still need their own proper place.

alexandru.mircea
May 12th, 2012, 12:17 PM
I love the mosaic style colour scheme of the seating so much! Easily my favourite recent trend in stadium architecture.

Huskies
May 15th, 2012, 01:23 AM
better than berlin? its a close one!

Nope. There is no such thing ;)

andriy1988
May 15th, 2012, 08:24 AM
better than berlin? its a close one!

This stadium is better than in Berlin. He is more new and more modern and more beautiful.

master_klon
May 15th, 2012, 09:42 AM
This stadium is better than in Berlin. He is more new and more modern and more beautiful.

Yes, much more modern. But the view is better in Berlin because the stands are steeper. And not many can say their stadium was built for Hitler. ;)

Huskies
May 15th, 2012, 02:24 PM
This stadium is better than in Berlin. He is more new and more modern and more beautiful.

Newer? yes. More modern? Yes. I am very plesantly surpriced with this stadium, blue tracks kan make any stadium look a billion times better. But in terms of epic cinematicness and symmetry, there is and probably never will be a more elegant and breathtaking stadium than Berlin

MrChavcore
May 15th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Newer? yes. More modern? Yes. I am very plesantly surpriced with this stadium, blue tracks kan make any stadium look a billion times better. But in terms of epic cinematicness and symmetry, there is and probably never will be a more elegant and breathtaking stadium than Berlin

true. they're both amazing stadiums but berlin still maintains that nazi era history that cannot be ignored. i shouldn't have asked such a stupid question anyways... lets just celebrate both :banana:

SoroushPersepolisi
May 15th, 2012, 03:41 PM
true. they're both amazing stadiums but berlin still maintains that nazi era history that cannot be ignored. i shouldn't have asked such a stupid question anyways... lets just celebrate both :banana:

so what? you cant judge the design or the existence of a structure based on what era and by who it was built

many of moscows metro stations were built during the communist era, you cant deny their beauty though!

orland
May 15th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Yes, much more modern. But the view is better in Berlin because the stands are steeper. And not many can say their stadium was built for Hitler. ;)

But there are lots of places with obstructed view by pillars, supporting the roof.

MrChavcore
May 15th, 2012, 11:55 PM
many of moscows metro stations were built during the communist era, you cant deny their beauty though!

well you just basically reiterated my point? berlin might not be as state of the art as kyiv but its beauty is in the fact that it is a modernized relic.

Edvin
May 17th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Really beautiful stadium, which is surely great for athletics and concerts, BUT is it any good for football? With the running tracks, isn't the spectators getting too far from the action?

vanbasten88
May 18th, 2012, 12:02 AM
Yes, much more modern. But the view is better in Berlin because the stands are steeper. And not many can say their stadium was built for Hitler. ;)

I think this is the important point. The Kiev Stadium is incredibly beautiful, but the rake of the seating in the lower tier appears very shallow and combined with the extra distance an athletics track puts between the spectators and the pitch I feel the viewing experience will be reduced. This is a significant negative point for me.

Kampflamm
May 18th, 2012, 12:08 AM
This stadium is better than in Berlin. He is more new and more modern and more beautiful.

I'm not sure about how much more modern it is. When the Olympiastadion was renovated they didn't just add a couple of new seats after all.

They also put much more emphasis on architectural details. It's just so much more than a stadium. Still, I prefer Kiev's roof.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4055/4692845622_5cf53b859f_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/aviller/4692845622/)
Olympiastadion Berlin (http://www.flickr.com/photos/aviller/4692845622/)

alexandru.mircea
May 18th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Really beautiful stadium, which is surely great for athletics and concerts, BUT is it any good for football? With the running tracks, isn't the spectators getting too far from the action?

Well it's an olympic stadium so the question is kinda rhetorical, isn't it...

_Hawk_
May 25th, 2012, 11:27 PM
By Dima_Korol (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dimakorol/page3/)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7237/7252289138_953debdf4c_o.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7091/7252281334_15b3471557_o.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8003/7252282884_d2d39130ee_o.jpg

ophizer
May 26th, 2012, 12:17 AM
epic

Леонид
May 26th, 2012, 08:34 PM
wow beautiful city!