EDIT FROM 2010: Link to the webcam http://video.untc.net/euro-2012/en/


This is the arena where the final of Euro-2012 will take place. The stadium itself is very old, it was opened on August 12, 1923 and was reconstructed several times in its long history (by football standards).

While Donetsk, Lviv and Dnipro fresh stadiums will bring a modern atmosphere to the championship, this stadium will exert a historic touch. Although it will only be historic to a certain extend, as it will undergo a massive reconstruction, practically replacing 80% of the arena.

Current capacity 83,450
Dimensions 104m by 72m

I'll start off with some history

1936 project with capacity of 50,000. The stadium was completed, however, on the very day of the opening ceremony in 1941, it was bombed by the nazi Luftwaffe.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Kiev_Stadium_project36.jpg

Second tier were added in 1967, raising the capacity to 100,000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Kiev_stadium_1967.jpg

http://www.nsc-olympic.com/photo/80_7.jpg

It was again reconstructed to accomodate for the 1980 Summer Olympics, the football games of which took place here, and is the reason why it's called the Olympic Stadium now.
http://www.nsc-olympic.com/photo/80_2.jpg

http://www.nsc-olympic.com/photo/80_4.jpg

Symbol of the Olympics
http://www.nsc-olympic.com/photo/80_9.jpg

Even had a trampaline
http://www.nsc-olympic.com/photo/70_1.jpg

The stadium received a convenient subway station named in its honour
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/uk/5/53/Resp_Stadion.jpg



The stadium in 2012
This section was updated on the 15th of November, 2008 when the final selection of the new renovation projected was selected.



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ALL EURO 2012 STADIUMS

Poland, Warsaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552599)
Poland, Gdansk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552658)
Poland, Poznan
Poland, Wroclaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=537376)
Poland, Chorzow (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=598146)
Poland, Krakow

Ukraine, Dnipropetrovsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438751)
Ukraine, Donetsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=437698)
Ukraine, Lviv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=613728)
Ukraine, Kyiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505872)
Ukraine, Odesa (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=513034)
Ukraine, Kharkiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=472943)

Month ago this rendering of the interior was presented
http://i7.tinypic.com/67689w3.jpg

As well as some of the previous renderings that don't show the new additional highrise project and are pretty much totally different, but worth to take a look at
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/nskolimpiyskyi05md1.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/nskolimpiyskyi04un7.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/nskolimpiyskyi03lp7.jpg

The initial budget will be over 100 million EUROs and is expected to expand significantly as new problems and ideas to improve arise in the process.

So the first one above is the final project while the other one will definitely not happen? :)
And why do the renderings show the light-masts still standing???

Hi Dr Mesofius, I would assume that due to such an elaborate reconstruction that the stadium will have to close completely for a period of time. If this is the case I would also assume that Donetsk will for a time become the 'national stadium' of Ukraine. Do you think this will be the case?

michal, as far as I know, yes, I just posted the second version as a comparison. Concerning the light-masts, I also thought about it :) maybe they will remain as historical reminder? But actually as you can see they only appear on photographs with renderings, maybe they were just too lazy to erase them.

plasticterminator, I heard that Kharkis stadium will be used as the main arena while everything else is constructing.

Architecturally, it looks very impressive. I have two reservations though:

1) The renders suggest a strong intertwined support design with translucent panels. Wouldn't that throw a lot of troublesome shadows onto the pitch?

2) Aesthetically, I'd say it begins to look very similar to the Luzhniki Stadium in Moscow. Given the proximity and history between Russia and the Ukraine, is that a good or a bad thing? Wouldn't a more distinct design be better for Ukranians than something that could be construed as an imitation?

1. I don't know.
2. I don't see any similarity apart from being big stadiums and not looking especially modern, but that's because they're both old stadiums.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Luzhniki_Stadium_Moscow.jpg/800px-Luzhniki_Stadium_Moscow.jpg

It's not like one came after the other, they evolved simultaneously as two most important arenas of the Soviet Union. Actually the Olympic Stadium in Kyiv has slightly older history, it was even named the Stalin Stadium at one time.

michal, as far as I know, yes, I just posted the second version as a comparison. Concerning the light-masts, I also thought about it :) maybe they will remain as historical reminder? But actually as you can see they only appear on photographs with renderings, maybe they were just too lazy to erase them.

plasticterminator, I heard that Kharkis stadium will be used as the main arena while everything else is constructing.

The new version does seem to have a transperent roof so I spose the old floodlights could actually shine though it.

The new version does seem to have a transperent roof so I spose the old floodlights could actually shine though it.
Actually, they're (as Dr. Mesofius said) only on some of the images, so it might have been only a mistake by the model-makers.
Shining through the roof would highly ineffective here, I doubt it could happen at all. Do you know any stadium that has a solution like this in use? It would be very interesting to see.

Does this mean that the Kiev sides will not get a new stadium or will Dynamo and Arsenal make a seperate venture regardless of new Olympic renovations?

Regarding new Olympic stadium if they plan to gut it completely like at Athens Olympic stadium just leaving concrete bowl then refurbish with new roof, new facilities, new running track, new high standard pitch and infrastructure it will be a good job.

Regarding Shakhtar becoming new National stadium, I can see it would be difficult to be venue for cup finals as Shakhtar are very likely to be a participant and thus have unfair advantage but I would be surprised if the Ukraine National team does not play some games at Shakhtar as not only will they have the best Stadium and facilities they will also have the best playing surface in Eastern Europe.

The roof looks nice. Too bad the interiour (which is very bland en commie like) more or less stays the same.

There are no renders of the interior yet, the shown picture is just an older suggestion for a roof.

Does this mean that the Kiev sides will not get a new stadium or will Dynamo and Arsenal make a seperate venture regardless of new Olympic renovations?

Regarding new Olympic stadium if they plan to gut it completely like at Athens Olympic stadium just leaving concrete bowl then refurbish with new roof, new facilities, new running track, new high standard pitch and infrastructure it will be a good job.

Regarding Shakhtar becoming new National stadium, I can see it would be difficult to be venue for cup finals as Shakhtar are very likely to be a participant and thus have unfair advantage but I would be surprised if the Ukraine National team does not play some games at Shakhtar as not only will they have the best Stadium and facilities they will also have the best playing surface in Eastern Europe.

They will build another brand new stadium of 60 000, which might also be a 5 star arena, meaning that Kyiv would have two by the time of the championship.

You can see how enormous the stadium is on this recent pic, now imagine it after the reconstruction, with the roof and all :eek:
http://www.bass-attack.com.ua/image/DSC04179.JPG

Does this mean that the Kiev sides will not get a new stadium or will Dynamo and Arsenal make a seperate venture regardless of new Olympic renovations?

Before the renovations started Arsenal played at the stadium permanently and Dynamo rented it for some major games, Dynamo's main stadium is too small and old, it was due to be renovated, however due to it's central location expansion is not really possible, so the club has been looking for a land to construct the new one (before Euro was given to Pland/Ukraine) so now they are likely to invest in construction of Kyiv's new 60, 000 staduim, however Arsenal was recently purchased by a very wealthy Ukrainian oligarkh (who is already planing "world's best training facility" for the club) so both clubs are capable of investing in a venue as they both need one.

Who bought Arsenal?

Who bought Arsenal?

Vadym Rabynovich

The new design is goofy. Why combine the classic columns at the bottom with the weird modern building above it and the roof behind it? The prior design that was scrapped would look way better.

tats an halo! haha
i liked it

The construction is quick :banana: pictures by Max

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/11-08-2007/IMG_3457.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/11-08-2007/IMG_3463.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c226/max_budyonny/11-08-2007/IMG_3462.jpg

Classic stadium, the classic process. . .

Incidentally introduced a number of exciting video to everyone

http://www.shareaflick.net/34078-JETSET-live,-comic-con-2007:-the-indies!.html

http://www.shareaflick.net/34073-Paperissima-gatti.html

http://www.shareaflick.net/34075-Movie-Executive-Dad.html

The new design is goofy. Why combine the classic columns at the bottom with the weird modern building above it and the roof behind it? The prior design that was scrapped would look way better.

The new roof looks good but I'd have preffered the neo classical enterance to be left alone.

Its good to see some really big stadiums like this and the new Shaktar one being used for the european championships. No offenece to Switzerland and Austria, there great places to visit and I'm sure all the other infrastructure will be top notch but the stadiums there using are just too small for an event of this scale IMHO. I managed to get six tickets to euro 2004 yet only got one for euro 2008 and ended up cancilling the entire trip as a result.

You hit the nail on the head. A championship is not just about getting in the stadium. In fact thats just 30-80,000 people out of millions who will watch the football. Euro 2008 will be a great atmosphere, Switz and Austria are clean and safe with great transport infrastructure and at that time of year the climate should be excellent. Time and time again on Skyscrapercity I see posters who think every championship should be played in a country with ten 80,000 seater stadiums. Then they post about white elephant stadiums that are too big with no crowds! I have been to games where 500 away supporters generated more atmosphere than 70,000 home fans! At such important finals believe me that 30,000 fans can generate an amazing atmoshpere. Also 80,000 seaters usually come with running tracks. I would hope all posters on this site have realised by now that a stadium can be great if its capacity is 1500 or 150000! It depends on location, history atmosphere who plays there all sorts of things not just size!

You hit the nail on the head. A championship is not just about getting in the stadium. In fact thats just 30-80,000 people out of millions who will watch the football. Euro 2008 will be a great atmosphere, Switz and Austria are clean and safe with great transport infrastructure and at that time of year the climate should be excellent. Time and time again on Skyscrapercity I see posters who think every championship should be played in a country with ten 80,000 seater stadiums. Then they post about white elephant stadiums that are too big with no crowds! I have been to games where 500 away supporters generated more atmosphere than 70,000 home fans! At such important finals believe me that 30,000 fans can generate an amazing atmoshpere. Also 80,000 seaters usually come with running tracks. I would hope all posters on this site have realised by now that a stadium can be great if its capacity is 1500 or 150000! It depends on location, history atmosphere who plays there all sorts of things not just size!

Personally my own feeling is that the #1 factor in any event should be the fans and if they can't even get tickets everything else is irrelevant. If you can't provide good high capacity stadiums without building white elphants then perhaps you shouldnt be bidding at all?

Unfortunately the number one thing is fans but not those attending the stadiums. Its the armchair fans-the number one thing for any event in our time is tv and sponsorship. It is of little importance to tv and sponsors how big a stadium is. It is of importance as to what country and time zone an event will be held to allow for global tv scheduling.

Unfortunately the number one thing is fans but not those attending the stadiums. Its the armchair fans-the number one thing for any event in our time is tv and sponsorship. It is of little importance to tv and sponsors how big a stadium is. It is of importance as to what country and time zone an event will be held to allow for global tv scheduling.

Add to that politics and you've got the cocktail thats slowely killing international football.

I saw this story on bbc.co.uk (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6938922.stm) and thought it was worth sharing on this thread. It seems from this that the Kiev stadium may be hindered by the neighbouring retail development. I'd heard that there was one but understood that the developments were joint, not that one may threaten the other.

What's the real story?


Euro 2012 sets Ukraine tough test
By Helen Fawkes, BBC correspondent in Kiev

Communist-era stadiums need to be upgraded for Euro 2012
The industrial heart of eastern Ukraine was glowing in a beautiful sunset as local heroes Shakhtar Donetsk took on their arch-rivals Dinamo Kiev.

Yet the Soviet-era stadium looked small and a bit too old-fashioned for Shakhtar Donetsk, one of the country's top teams.

There are concerns that Ukraine may not be ready in time for the Uefa European Football Championships in 2012, which it will co-host with Poland.

It will be the most prestigious project that Ukraine has ever co-hosted, and it is expected to attract thousands of fans.

But there are fears that the politicians here do not have their eye on the ball.

Donetsk is one of four host cities in Ukraine. All of the venues were built by the communists, and they are well past their best, needing to be replaced or renovated.

Ukraine has faced one political crisis after another and now the country is preparing for a general election.

"The most difficult thing will be to change the attitude, to make the authorities look in the direction of football and start paying attention to the country's infrastructure," says Dmitriy Chigrinsky, a player for Shakhtar Donetsk and Ukraine.

"It's no secret that our country needs serious modernisation," Dmitriy adds.

Ukraine is one of the poorest places in Europe. Now it has to spend billions of dollars preparing for the championships.

With vast distances between the Euro 2012 venues, transport is a top priority. Ukraine's trains are cheap but not exactly fast, as the network has not changed much since Soviet times.

A journey from Gdansk, one of the Polish venues, to Donetsk can take more than 40 hours.

And the alternatives are not much better. Ukraine only has one motorway and many roads are in desperate need of repair. The country's airports are all due to be modernised, and there is also a real shortage of hotels.

As if all that was not bad enough, there is a row over the venue for the final.

It is supposed to be held in the centre of Kiev, but a half-built shopping centre looms right next to the stadium gates - and the developers are refusing to knock it down. If it stays, the final will have to be played elsewhere.

Despite all these problems there is a confident mood at the headquarters of Ukraine's Football Federation in the capital.

Hryhoriy Surkis is optimistic Euro 2012 will be a success

"If I wasn't an optimist I would never have dared to start such a project.

"Some people called it naive, they were sure it would be impossible for us to win the right to co-host the event. But we did win," says Hryhoriy Surkis, the president of Ukraine's Football Federation.

"We are now working hard to turn the fairy tale into reality," he says.

There are some positive signs. Two brand-new stadiums are starting to take shape in eastern Ukraine. One of the venues is being funded by Ukraine's richest man, the football-mad billionaire Rinat Akhmetov, for his team Shakhtar Donetsk.

Designed by a British architect, it will have a glass roof and promises to be one of the best stadiums in Europe.

The Ukrainian President, Viktor Yushchenko, has said that a co-ordination council will be set up with Poland.

It is due to meet in September to discuss a range of issues including joint infrastructure projects, and it will apply for support from the European Union.

Even so this former Soviet republic still faces a massive task to prepare for Euro 2012. It will be a race against time to complete all the work needed.

"Ukrainians are very proud to be co-hosting the championships. I am certain we can do it and we can do it well.

"This is about more than just football. If the tournament goes well then it could well boost our chances of becoming part of the EU," says a Ukrainian football fan, Maxim Simoroz.

With so much at stake the country cannot afford to fail.

^^ Well a French company conducted an expertise and declared that that shopping centre (or whatever it is) is not going to be in the way of evacuation of people from the stadium, so problem solved.

Yes, the whole article is written by an amateur craving sensationalism, we discussed it in the other thread.

Yes, the whole article is written by an amateur craving sensationalism, we discussed it in the other thread.

Indeed you see the samereporting before almost every major event with every little rumour blown up into a "crisis!".

I read this article today:

Football federation decided that the territory of Expocentre Ukraine is the most suitable place for building a stadium for the European championship, but the Expocentre staff is against it.

According to the president of Ukrainian Football Federation (UFF) Hrihoriy Surkis, the Expocentre Ukraine option is the only one, reports Delo newspaper.

The territory of Expocentre is on the balance sheet of State Administration of Affairs which needs to give its consent to city administration about using the land for stadium construction.

However, the opposing staff of the centre can disrupt the construction on the territory of Expocentre Ukraine. Moreover, the stadium construction contradicts the complex program of Expocentre Ukraine development approved by the Cabinet of Ministers in 2004.

According to the information of Expocentre Ukraine investment projects and construction organization department head Nina Kalibanska, Ukrainian State Institute of City Planning (USCP) never received an order on the revision of construction on the territory of Expocentre.

Moreover, USCP denies the opportunity of building a sport facility in the abovementioned place. “Just as with the Olimpiysky National Sport Complex (NSC), the access to the stadium will be limited,” cites Ms. Kalibanska the institute specialists.

On Thursday a German company Hochtief presented its project on reconstruction of Olimpiysky NSC. According to the project, the capacity of main sport arena of the country will increase up to 87 thousand people: 73 thousand seats for spectators and 14 thousand more for the stadium personnel.

The project also envisages covering Olimpiysky with a huge glass dome. According to the Minister of Family, Youth and Sport Affairs Viktor Korzh, Hochtief company reconstructed stadiums in Berlin and Köln before the world football championship.

At the same time, the threat of reconstructed Olimpiysky not hosting the final match of Euro 2012 remains. The reason lies in construction of a mall in front of the stadium. The UEFA specialists stipulated that such neighborhood contradicts the football arena safety requirements.

At the session of coordination council on preparation and holding final part of Euro 2012 the proposal of Mr. Surkis on disassembling the unfinished construction was supported by the president. He addressed Kyiv mayor with a demand to solve this disassembling issue.

At the same time, Leonyd Chernovetsky claimed that UFF representatives didn’t discuss the destiny of Olimpiysky with him: “UFF is somewhat nervous about it [construction] but I didn’t have the honor to meet its representatives for discussing this issue. Otherwise I would have made a decision long ago.”

According to the information of the publication, another construction except mall is also planned near the stadium. When told about it Mr. Chernovetsky replied that he doesn’t track every object in the city.

However, he noted that there are some “unclear issues” around the stadium. “I was told that there are some interests. But I can’t say anything in detail,” stated the mayor.

Source: Ukrayinska Pravda


My question now: Is it likely that Euro 2012 will be played in a brandnew football stadium, not in Olympiysky? What's new about Olympiysky and that shopping mall that is being built close to it?

Approved Project

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_001.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_002.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

Its the London Olympic stadium! It seems to be popping up everywhere! Oh well another standard uninspiring but functional design! Good news is at lest noe Donetsk will still be by far the best stadium in Eastern Europe both in design inspiration and functionality!

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg



:ohno: Is it for real? Are we gonna see another Luz-Emirates "who came first" debate with this one?

Its the London Olympic stadium! It seems to be popping up everywhere! Oh well another standard uninspiring but functional design! Good news is at lest noe Donetsk will still be by far the best stadium in Eastern Europe both in design inspiration and functionality!

Only this one is 85 years older. :)

I repeat my question: is it likely that Euro 2012 will be played in a new Dynamo Kiew Stadium instead of Olympiyski?

I repeat my question: is it likely that Euro 2012 will be played in a new Dynamo Kiew Stadium instead of Olympiyski?

Both stadium's will have games played on them, however Olympiyskyi will host the final as it is going to be a 5-star venue seating 70 000 people, when all that is known about new stadium is that it is going to be from 50 to 60k and the place it's going to be situated at. It is not necesary that the new arena is going to be Dynamo's, Kyiv's other major club Arsenal Kyiv is looking to build a new arena too.

I can't imagine the UEFA to allow two stadiums in Kiew which means five altogether in the Ukraine.
Is it sure that this new stadium will be built? What are the latest news about Olympiyskyi and this shopping-mall?

I can't imagine the UEFA to allow two stadiums in Kiew which means five altogether in the Ukraine.
Is it sure that this new stadium will be built? What are the latest news about Olympiyskyi and this shopping-mall?

UEFA does allow more than one stadium per city, however the number of matches per city will not increase in Kyiv, the matches will be shared between two stadiums.

Mall will be demolished, and it's underground section will be adjusted into a car park of the arena. Both Prime-minister and the president have signed documents to demolish it, the only question now is the sum of compensation given to the investor of the mall.

So capacity will be 87.000?

So capacity will be 87.000?

No this project is going to have about 70-75k. :)

Where will it lose +7000 seats?
I can only see suits at the main stand
And which one was 87.000?

I think some will be lost to build VIP and press seats and also some of the top tier will be cut down... Visibility on the very edge is pretty bad. Difficult to see the player numbers.

But with the roof the stadium will look more compact
I really like this one :cheers:
Seems like Turkey has got the shitiest "Olympic" stadium :ohno:
F... French architects :bash:

80 m euros for 80000 seats , any architect would give " the shitiest stadium " at the end .

Actually it cost 95 mil euro :D
But do nor forget concrete and workers are very cheap in Turkey, especially in 2000
The problem is that the architects never visited Istanbul or the site

Capacity of the stadium was 80.597, but it was reduced later to 75.486, because you had not a 100% of the field from 5.000 seats :bash:
Even i could have done it better
Thank god nobody likes the current stadium, so it looks like they will built a nre one or will built 3 new stands for possible Olympics 20xy :D

New Project

37 Flours

1 672 000 sq metres

World’s largest Structure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/27335.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/klh.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/klhg.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/oigu.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/ouy.jpg

Video
http://moemisto.com.ua/1200

Oh my, that's horrible!

Why again a new proposal?
as i said in the Eurosection
ugly and kitsch

It's a joke, yes?

Its so different for stadium!!! looks almost like the colloseum in rome, jus tin modern colors!!! are they really gonna build that???

It's a joke, yes?

Nope, world's largest structure might be in Europe, and it might be a stadium.

Its so different for stadium!!! looks almost like the colloseum in rome, jus tin modern colors!!! are they really gonna build that???

Colliseum is a base for the project, and i would give it a 50/50 chance to be built.

New Project

37 Flours

1 672 000 sq metres

World’s largest Structure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/27335.jpg



My god, that's the ugliest stadium design I have ever seen! I thought this was the final design though:

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

Noooo! As I wrote in another thread, if that thing is built, another country should host the Euro along with Poland. Disgusting EEurope kitsch.

Sorry, but it's really ugly. This is a nightmare

Kitsch design is one thing, but other one is how the hell they want to finish this huge structure since 2012?:nuts:

Good juke, dude :lol:
And if it's not a joke... well, it makes it even more funny :lol:

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

this one looks great, hope they will proceed with this one.

I suggest everyone to watch this video, it makes it look a bit better.... :)

http://moemisto.com.ua/1200

I suggest everyone to watch this video, it makes it look a bit better.... :)

http://moemisto.com.ua/1200

That's the first time a stadium design has actually made me feel sick, the video makes it even worde! :puke:

But this isn't the official design right, because you posted on the 7th of november another design that was according to your post official?

Kick them out of the EU!!!!

Oh, wait...

Do Ukrainians realize that they're gonna be the laughing stock of Europe if this thing's actually built?

Ah, wonderful!! I hope they'll feed the losing side to the lions.

I like it!

http://doesitallmatter.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/i-lold.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_017.jpg

and I thought this was bad.....:puke:

What a...

I like it I know the design is not the greatest but I think the fact that because it so massive it will work with the design and make it awww inspiring. I say build it :)

Can someone tell those architects (?) to stick to Age of Empires?

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

has this design been scrapped?

please, can anyone answer?

imagine that "Coliseum" in the skyline of Kiev :ohno::nuts::ohno::bash:

can´t help it. it´s too ugly to believe this will come true.

has this design been scrapped?

please, can anyone answer?

No, that is still the current project, the "colliseum" one is just a possible concept to solve the problem of a shopping centre in front of the arena...

No, that is still the current project, the "colliseum" one is just a possible concept to solve the problem of a shopping centre in front of the arena...

So it's just some crap architect's wet dream really?

That's the first time a stadium design has actually made me feel sick, the video makes it even worde! :puke:Yes, I feel exaclly the same :puke: What an awful 'stadium'.

So it's just some crap architect's wet dream really?

Kind of... :nuts:

No, that is still the current project, the "colliseum" one is just a possible concept to solve the problem of a shopping centre in front of the arena...

thanks, I'll hold my thumbs for this project!

So they finally wanna expand the current 84,000 capacity, IMO it'll be a bit unnecesary. Moreover, that "colosseum" sucks, I don't get the point of it...

Can someone tell those architects (?) to stick to Age of Empires?

:lol:

any new news about the stadium?
will be really build a second stadium in kyiv????

any new news about the stadium?
will be really build a second stadium in kyiv????

Actually, there is not much time till the end of 2011 when the stadiums have to be finished.
Designing and building it from scratch, takes a lot....
So I think, that the only logical solution is to build a roof over current stadium.

Yes, we have some news... The unfinished mall in front of the stadium that is blocking evacuation passages was decided to be removed. The needed documentadion was gigned by the president and it has to be demoted by 1 June 2008. :banana:

This means that the stadium will 100% be used for EURO.

Do You have any information about stadium in L'viv??

Hochteif, Germany got the contract for construction of Kiev stadium, everything is decided including design but for whatever reasons they are not yet making it public knowledge. As for 'Livov' (eng spelling sorry) construction starts this year.

Do You have any information about stadium in L'viv??

33+ k, more info on the 14th of February.

will arsenal kiev build a second stadium???
and how will the new olympic stadium look like?

will arsenal kiev build a second stadium???
and how will the new olympic stadium look like?

Arsenal has a plan for a different 45k, retractable roof stadium, while new Kyiv stadium will be around 60k and is more likely to be either municipal or Dynamo's new home...

About the look of Olimpitskyi i have no idea... There were like 10 proposals so far... All i can say it will be 5-star (UEFA requirement for a final Venue) will have 75-85k, with a new roof, unfortunately the running tracks will still be present. :)

Arsenal has a plan for a different 45k, retractable roof stadium, while new Kyiv stadium will be around 60k and is more likely to be either municipal or Dynamo's new home...

About the look of Olimpitskyi i have no idea... There were like 10 proposals so far... All i can say it will be 5-star (UEFA requirement for a final Venue) will have 75-85k, with a new roof, unfortunately the running tracks will still be present. :)

have i unterstood you right: dynamo and arsenal want to build an new stadium?then there are 3 big stadiums in kiev. are there concrete plans? and what about the olympic stadium? who will play there?

sorry,i do not unterstand english well...
i am from germany!

have i unterstood you right: dynamo and arsenal want to build an new stadium?then there are 3 big stadiums in kiev. are there concrete plans? and what about the olympic stadium? who will play there?

sorry,i do not unterstand english well...
i am from germany!

Exactly, 3 stadiums, two club ones, and Olympiyskyi will be the home of National Team, and will be used for various athletic competitions, concerts... ect.:)

Even had a trampaline
http://www.nsc-olympic.com/photo/70_1.jpg

That's no trampoline. That was a ski jump.

I can advise that the only concrete plans for a new upgraded stadium in Kiev are Olympisky old stadium and by concrete I specifically mean, funding is available, approved and site and design are approved. There was mentioned about 10 proposals infact the proposal has already been chosen and approved but as mentioned they will not yet release design.
This is the stadium that will host final match of Euro 2012.
Regarding Arsenal and Dinamo it is all talk and if any work has started on these two 'dream' stadiums by 2010 I will be surprised.

Regarding Arsenal and Dinamo it is all talk and if any work has started on these two 'dream' stadiums by 2010 I will be surprised.

Well Dynamo officials have mentioned that the reconstruction of Lobanovskyi stadium is impossible, and so they have requested for a land in a city to construct the new arena (now i presume that the new kyiv stadium will be funded and later owned by the club). Arsenal has recently been taken over and so presently they are constructing a new training facility and are looking into construction of their own arena.

So design is still unclear?

So design is still unclear?

Well, this seems to be the approved project, however as the cotractor for the reconstruction is still in shadow (Hochtief?) new pojects and "visions" seem to pop up all the time..

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_001.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_002.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

nothing of revoluitonnary...

nothing of revoluitonnary...

I have to agree, however it's difficult to make it into a mega arena just by reconstructing it... It's still an Olympic stadium so such features as running tracks have to be present..

I have to agree, however it's difficult to make it into a mega arena just by reconstructing it... It's still an Olympic stadium so such features as running tracks have to be present..


Finally we agree on this subject!!! :okay:

Well, this seems to be the approved project, however as the cotractor for the reconstruction is still in shadow (Hochtief?) new pojects and "visions" seem to pop up all the time..

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_001.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_002.jpg

http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/11/s_11_003.jpg

maybe nothing revolutionary, but I like it - modern, elegant and simple.

It is even better than the boring 2012 London stadium.

Reconstruction begins tomorrow!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://football.ua/euro2012/news/32538/page3.html

and how will the stadium look like?
it will be a 5 star,or?

and how will the stadium look like?
it will be a 5 star,or?

Of course... beeing five star is a requirement for final venues of Euro, or WC in Europe... Stade de France, Amsterdam Arena, Olimpiastadion, Da Luz, and Olimpiyskyi... that is actually the reason why the mall in front of the stadium is beeing demolished, so the stadium can be evacuated in a certain amount of time.:)

Is this design what's now hot in the street, replacing the giant truss and roof saddles?

I liked this! Awesome project of renovation. Go Kyiv!

What is that structure they're building west of the stadium? I hope that doesn't interfere with the final design of the rebuilt stadium. By the way, it is unknown what the final design is.

What is that structure they're building west of the stadium? I hope that doesn't interfere with the final design of the rebuilt stadium. By the way, it is unknown what the final design is.

whisc structure do u mean? The mall or the administrative complex? Mall is in the way so it will be demolished, administrative structure will be incorporated as a part of the Stadium, and final design is the last one shown (i think).:)

Are there any news about this stadium? Or about a new stadium for Arsenal or Dynamo Kiev?

Ok, some news... Currently 19 projects have been proposed for this stadium, all of them are exhibited in the FFU (football federation of Ukraine) office.

Some projects even incorporate demolidhing the old stadium and constructing a completely new one in it's place.

Here some of the projects.


Austria
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d071ad54d13273167ebb1c7ef4c51e41.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5fb6a30777ee78b267de11cf349ecddb.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4ff68530731e4e2bddbe7cb2baec7861.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/fe457d622734f4c2faca4497b5300279.jpg

???? (Saudi Arabia?)
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5c65b461e9a838ea214545dd04d4c171.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/c961ca1f7b2a3f311df4e66c6e9fe512.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/01a4eceaf52803cbf56f6482b08374b7.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/c65584957d0d591ba44cf7c1ab8d813d.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d2bb74b0c8cc62fd6ea5e262f6ce1215.jpg


China
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/0878cddea8fab10e986e0260cfa49a9f.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/6f482331975eccdb5350ebd572691c1b.jpg


Taiwan
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4a50787bc2f6860d57916df185bf641f.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/59eb353aa03568ed1a6b773d77ef96bd.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/f2769a3f91766c54bfd15941bc346da9.jpg


Ukraine?
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d64ab9d8d8451e57e7d5fdabd1104d00.jpg

????
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/773074c6f4e4d1fbe0900959c2dbee18.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/b4bb42bddcc0225a165d82118f682fb3.jpg

???
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/b98e5dc39ef6e346021a3c59baa3d598.jpg

Winner will be chosen by the end of the month.

^^ Of all these projects, Austria's project for this stadium sucks because theirs is a rectangular stadium and I prefer the current stadium is an oval ove which I like the best. I like Ukraine's project the best. The Taiwan one is more suited for Taipei than Kiev. I do not want the stadium itself demolished. All these projects need to be cancelled.

Ok, some news... Currently 19 projects have been proposed for this stadium, all of them are exhibited in the FFU (football federation of Ukraine) office.

Some projects even incorporate demolidhing the old stadium and constructing a completely new one in it's place.

Here some of the projects.


Austria
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d071ad54d13273167ebb1c7ef4c51e41.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5fb6a30777ee78b267de11cf349ecddb.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4ff68530731e4e2bddbe7cb2baec7861.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/fe457d622734f4c2faca4497b5300279.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/2mhv52x.jpg


???? (Saudi Arabia?)
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5c65b461e9a838ea214545dd04d4c171.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/c961ca1f7b2a3f311df4e66c6e9fe512.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/01a4eceaf52803cbf56f6482b08374b7.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/c65584957d0d591ba44cf7c1ab8d813d.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d2bb74b0c8cc62fd6ea5e262f6ce1215.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/23ru6it.jpg

Taiwan
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4a50787bc2f6860d57916df185bf641f.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/59eb353aa03568ed1a6b773d77ef96bd.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/f2769a3f91766c54bfd15941bc346da9.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/hx0y0p.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/swsh7k.jpg


Ukraine
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d64ab9d8d8451e57e7d5fdabd1104d00.jpg


http://www.rendertaxi.de/img/projekte/full/suk_01.jpg

And a new one, also Ukrainian, i think:)

http://i26.tinypic.com/2wgrhp0.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_022.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_019.jpg

Edit: My personal favourite is Austrian, i love the idea of a retractable roof.:)

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4a50787bc2f6860d57916df185bf641f.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/59eb353aa03568ed1a6b773d77ef96bd.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/f2769a3f91766c54bfd15941bc346da9.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/hx0y0p.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/swsh7k.jpg

Ok, this is the winner project!!! Not my favourite, but i like it!:)

more proposals
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/konkurs_001.shtml

this one is my fav
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/009.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/010.jpg
http://www.archunion.com.ua/konkurs/stadion/reportag/008.jpg

We have a winner! :banana::cheers:

http://ffu.org.ua/img/forall/a/13/9.jpg

http://football.ua/i/news/36709.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s16/MaksKhomenko/002.jpg

At the Euro section somebody wrote 85k?
If the old stand will stay than its IMO +100k

Austria and Taiwan for the short list!!! :okay:

:applause: masterpieces!!!!!

On stadionwelt.de they wrote today, that Taiwan is building the new stadium in Kiew.

Cool stadium, IMHO

Yes, as Burislav already said.
This one is the winner
http://football.ua/i/news/36709.jpg

RIght now it's unclear what the capacity will be, it may be anywhere from 85k to 125k.

125k is IMO impossible (Maybe with a full 3rd tier :) )

I say 100k

The best one won imo :yes:

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5c65b461e9a838ea214545dd04d4c171.jpg

Don't hurt Ukraine!
Austria, China or Taiwan are the best of course.

125k is IMO impossible (Maybe with a full 3rd tier :) )

I say 100k

I say 85-90 :)
There isn't much left in the design of the current 2nd tier, so the capacity shouldn't really rise too much. imho.

IMO the number of rows at the 2nd tier is the same
They just added suites at the main stand
So only at the main stand 2nd tier we will lose rows (seats)
http://ffu.org.ua/img/forall/a/13/9.jpg

IMO the number of rows at the 2nd tier is the same
They just added suites at the main stand
So only at the main stand 2nd tier we will lose rows (seats)
http://ffu.org.ua/img/forall/a/13/9.jpg

I don't think number of rows of the 2nd tier is the same. If so, then only opposite to the main stand. Behind both goals and the main stands it's significantly smaller. To me it looks that currently both tiers are of equal height, while in the renderings the 2nd one is visually a lot smaller.

Oy yeah. You are right
Only the east stand 2nd tier looks like the current one.
the curves are like the main stand
and look at te stands
East stand is paralel to the pitch (like current one, Atatürk Olimpiyat or Beijing)
The main stand is curved (like Berlin or Athens)

Ok, the final capacity is 85k, this is due to a shortening of two existins stands and construction of VIP area.

It could have been 100k, but there is a hill on another side so 3rd tier could not be added.

So it won't have the 3rd tier at the main stand?
Or did i misunderstood you?

Will the stadium be playable,while it is rebuild?

So it won't have the 3rd tier at the main stand?
Or did i misunderstood you?

3rd will be built as shown on renders, but only on one side...

Will the stadium be playable,while it is rebuild?

Most likely not. Renovation is expected to start in mid may, and Arsenal will have to play on Obolon's stadium or on Dynamo's.

Damn
So they will reduce the number of rows at the 2nd tier?
I was so sure that it would be over 90k :(

But lookng at the other ones, this one was the biggest?!

Damn
So they will reduce the number of rows at the 2nd tier?
I was so sure that it would be over 90k :(

But lookng at the other ones, this one was the biggest?!

To be honest i don't know the capacities of other proposals, but most of them proposed to keep the stands the way they were, and oriented capacity was 75k. Thus i believe this one was the largest one proposed.

Also Olympiyskyi will be the largest stadium to host Euro final EVER! :banana:

3rd will be built as shown on renders, but only on one side...



Most likely not. Renovation is expected to start in mid may, and Arsenal will have to play on Obolon's stadium or on Dynamo's.

i thought that arsenal want to build an another studium!?

i thought that arsenal want to build an another studium!?

They do, but currently as i know they do not have a ready project, there is a speculation that they will build a stadium with Dynamo, and will be sharing it.

Also there is a posibility that they will move to Dynamo's old Lobanovskyi stadium, while Dynamo builds a new one. But all this are roumors. Nothing is for certain.

Also Olympiyskyi will be the largest stadium to host Euro final EVER! :banana:

If its finished on time, donetsk made promises and they are highly organised and look at the state of that project:ohno:

If its finished on time, donetsk made promises and they are highly organised and look at the state of that project:ohno:

Well, i'm not a specialist, however i believe that reconstruction will not take as long as construction of a new arena and also those 2010 deadlines are a joke! I mean Austian Hyppo Arena in Klagenfurt was finished in summer 2007, a year before Euro in Austria & Switzerland.

By the way, just recently during presidents visit to Donetsk, Akhmetov said that the stadium will be finished by August...

Well, i'm not a specialist, however i believe that reconstruction will not take as long as construction of a new arena and also those 2010 deadlines are a joke! I mean Austian Hyppo Arena in Klagenfurt was finished in summer 2007, a year before Euro in Austria & Switzerland.

By the way, just recently during presidents visit to Donetsk, Akhmetov said that the stadium will be finished by August...

How will it be finished by August?
They didnt finish roof yet 2 months
They didnt install scoreboards yet -has to be done after roof complete
They didnt install pitch yet 2 months
They didnt install seats yet-2 months
They didnt start roof panneling yet-will take 2 months at least
they didnt complete even one quarter of external panels yet
they didnt do anything yet regarding interior fittings-3 months
They didnt even get one tenth of underground car park completed yet 5 months
They didnt start on 8 hectares of quite sophisticated landscaping yet which can only start after everything else is finished 4 months

How will it be finished by August?
They didnt finish roof yet 2 months
They didnt install scoreboards yet -has to be done after roof complete
They didnt install pitch yet 2 months
They didnt install seats yet-2 months
They didnt start roof panneling yet-will take 2 months at least
they didnt complete even one quarter of external panels yet
they didnt do anything yet regarding interior fittings-3 months
They didnt even get one tenth of underground car park completed yet 5 months
They didnt start on 8 hectares of quite sophisticated landscaping yet which can only start after everything else is finished 4 months

But all those things can be done at the same time, so 4-5 months can be realistic, while parking and adjasent area can be finished after the stadium is opened.

What does it matter by August or by November? The Euro is in 2012 :lol: there's plenty of time to finish everything.

But all those things can be done at the same time, so 4-5 months can be realistic, while parking and adjasent area can be finished after the stadium is opened.

Maybe you should take charge of construction company then and also football club who only interest in a summer opening.
In 5 months it will be october not august.

What does it matter by August or by November? The Euro is in 2012 :lol: there's plenty of time to finish everything.

They didnt make stadium for euro 2012.

So it's a couple of months behind, that's ENKA's fault and not a big deal.

So it's a couple of months behind, that's ENKA's fault and not a big deal.

The stadium was originally planned to open in summer of 2007, then 2008 and now 2009, i think that is a big deal in every respect. It has gone through two stadium construction companies and one false start. It also took on enka because i quote 'we always delivered our projects on time and within budget'

The truth is behind all the media spin as is usual to save face this project has been in crisis since January when it became apparent timing and budget were way off the mark.

By the way, do you know what pattern will the seats form inside the stadium?

Girls and guys, let's move the Donbas Arena discussions back to its appropriate thread, this one is for Kyiv ;)

http://www.rendertaxi.de/img/projekte/full/suk_01.jpg


http://i26.tinypic.com/2wgrhp0.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_022.jpg

http://www.archunion.com.ua/img/2007/08/s_08_019.jpg

There is no winner in this competition other than these designs. all the other designs smell. This plan requires little or no alteration of the seating bowl (which needs cleanup, though).

The problem with this design is that currently the first 5-6 rows of the lower stand are not steep enough (you can see it in the first render), and thus view is not that good. So some alteration is needed.

Ok, some news... Currently 19 projects have been proposed for this stadium, all of them are exhibited in the FFU (football federation of Ukraine) office.

Some projects even incorporate demolidhing the old stadium and constructing a completely new one in it's place.

Here some of the projects.


Austria
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d071ad54d13273167ebb1c7ef4c51e41.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5fb6a30777ee78b267de11cf349ecddb.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4ff68530731e4e2bddbe7cb2baec7861.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/fe457d622734f4c2faca4497b5300279.jpg

???? (Saudi Arabia?)
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5c65b461e9a838ea214545dd04d4c171.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/c961ca1f7b2a3f311df4e66c6e9fe512.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/01a4eceaf52803cbf56f6482b08374b7.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/c65584957d0d591ba44cf7c1ab8d813d.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d2bb74b0c8cc62fd6ea5e262f6ce1215.jpg


China
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/0878cddea8fab10e986e0260cfa49a9f.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/6f482331975eccdb5350ebd572691c1b.jpg


Taiwan
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/4a50787bc2f6860d57916df185bf641f.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/59eb353aa03568ed1a6b773d77ef96bd.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/f2769a3f91766c54bfd15941bc346da9.jpg


Ukraine?
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/d64ab9d8d8451e57e7d5fdabd1104d00.jpg

????
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/773074c6f4e4d1fbe0900959c2dbee18.jpg

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/b4bb42bddcc0225a165d82118f682fb3.jpg

???
http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/b98e5dc39ef6e346021a3c59baa3d598.jpg

Winner will be chosen by the end of the month.

China won right?

China won right?
Not exactly, it was Archasia Group, but the Taiwan office, not Shanghai, and Taiwanese people will tell you they're not Chinese :)
So, out of all the images you've shown above- it's Taiwan that's won.

Not exactly, it was Archasia Group, but the Taiwan office, not Shanghai, and Taiwanese people will tell you they're not Chinese :)
So, out of all the images you've shown above- it's Taiwan that's won.

Ahh thats horrible, you guys actually like the Taiwan design?
I thought the China design was by far the best, by far.


The Taiwan project wont have a retractable roof right? I mean is it going too look exactly like in the pictures, with the see through glass and all. With all that metal being visible when its finished being constructed?

Ahh thats horrible, you guys actually like the Taiwan design?
I thought the China design was by far the best, by far.


The Taiwan project wont have a retractable roof right? I mean is it going too look exactly like in the pictures, with the see through glass and all. With all that metal being visible when its finished being constructed?

If I'm to answer this question- jest, I think the best design won. Chinese one, to me, looks pretty much liek what they used to design for Asia a decade back, and these don't really get my applause. Especially that this wouldn't fit Kiev, if I were to choose, I'd take "Taiwan" or "Austria".

The stadium won't have a retractable roof, but I don't think it will look exactly like in the renders, I guess this was more a conceptual competition, so the final design might differ a bit...

All The Euro 2012 Venues:

Poland, Warsaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552599)
Poland, Gdansk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552658)
Poland, Poznan
Poland, Wroclaw (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=537376)
Poland, Chorzow (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=598146)
Poland, Krakow

Ukraine, Dnipropetrovsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=438751)
Ukraine, Donetsk (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=437698)
Ukraine, Lviv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=613728)
Ukraine, Kyiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505872)
Ukraine, Odesa (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=513034)
Ukraine, Kharkiv (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=472943)

Thought i would do a quick index for all the euro 2012 venues. Post this in the first post if u want.

so scary stadiums, it's bad idea organize euro in ukraine , they are so stupid.

Great job, masterpaul, I think this list should be added to the beginning of every EURO 2012 stadium thread. It will make it very convenient. I'll do it later today.

so scary stadiums, it's bad idea organize euro in ukraine , they are so stupid.

Thank you. Russian kindness towards Ukraine has always been relentless but lately has become unprecedented, a couple more of these posts and we will drop our NATO aspirations. Amazing international relations skills, now it's clear where russian leadership gets its wisdom from - the ordinary population :applause:

Good luck with that Sochi event.

http://novynar.img.com.ua/img/gallery/337/5fb6a30777ee78b267de11cf349ecddb.jpg

Austria's one seems to have no running tracks... hmmm...

An Olympic stadium has to have running tracks.

Look at that closely. Definately it has no running tracks... It's a football-only stadium.

Yes... maybe that's why it didn't win.

Great job, masterpaul, I think this list should be added to the beginning of every EURO 2012 stadium thread. It will make it very convenient. I'll do it later today.



Thank you. Russian kindness towards Ukraine has always been relentless but lately has become unprecedented, a couple more of these posts and we will drop our NATO aspirations. Amazing international relations skills, now it's clear where russian leadership gets its wisdom from - the ordinary population :applause:

Good luck with that Sochi event.

Да просто в стране с нестабильной политической обстановкой, где нет не то что полной, а хоть какой-либо уверенности в будущем, мягко говоря опрометчиво устраивать Евро. Это вам не сало жрать. Я на 100% уверен, что повторится Афинская история и часть обьектов просто не успеют сдать к сроку.

Да просто в стране с нестабильной политической обстановкой, где нет не то что полной, а хоть какой-либо уверенности в будущем, мягко говоря опрометчиво устраивать Евро. Это вам не сало жрать. Я на 100% уверен, что повторится Афинская история и часть обьектов просто не успеют сдать к сроку.
Yeehaa! You showed real class pal :ohno: Why don't you stick to russian--only threads where you can shine?

They're just jealous that will never host an event of this magnitude :)

:cry: we also want to host EURO :cry: we hate you :cry: :cry: we wish you fail in everything :cry: :cry: stop winning and developing :cry: :cry:

:laugh:

They're just jealous that will never host an event of this magnitude :)

haha :lol: Champions League final, Olympic Games in Sochi, Universiade in Kazan. Euro in Ukraine will be the first and unique action of such level. You are threatened in general with country disorder.

You forgot to list the Vladivostok Female Chess Championship, it's in the equal category with others listed :)

Russians should learn to hate less and at least be neutral to others success.

haha :lol: Champions League final, Olympic Games in Sochi, Universiade in Kazan.
Burislav's right. Two days ago I could ask: When will be the champions League final? today I can ask- when was it?! It's just one game, with 50 000 people coming for a night's stay. Yes- one billion watching. Euro in Portugal was watched by some 7,9 billion. See the difference mister "such level"?

Winter Olympics? :) Even the main stadium there cannot be compared in terms of size with 4 out of 12 Euro stadiums, being over twice smaller than the stadium you comment on.

Universiade? Don't scare me- someone actually cares about it? (with all due respect to the athletes and enthusiasts- it cannot by any means be compared to biggest events in sports). I actually found out only now that my country hosted it twice already...

you should just face the facts- we are hosting this tournament whether you like it or not. Thankfully it's not your call to decide on stuff like that. Otherwise i'm pretty sure that other "stupid nations" wouldn't get anything.

You forgot to list the Vladivostok Female Chess Championship, it's in the equal category with others listed :)

Russians should learn to hate less and at least be neutral to others success.

I'm really happy to Ukraine, but it seems to me that this championship will expose ukraine in negative light for at carrying out of the championship you will have very serious problems. You should pray on Poland if only they are help to Ukraine ( sorry with my english )

Your propaganda TV misinformed you. Ukraine is building all stadiums, 3 are almost done, highways are under construction, hotels, including skyscraper-hotels in several cities are starting construction and entire subway system will open, also under construction.

I'm sorry that you still have to endure the state propaganda which we don't have since 1991.

aidar89 is fucking moron jerk :bash:

P.S.: Excuse me for emotions.

Your propaganda TV misinformed you. Ukraine is building all stadiums, 3 are almost done, highways are under construction, hotels, including skyscraper-hotels in several cities are starting construction and entire subway system will open, also under construction.

I'm sorry that you still have to endure the state propaganda which we don't have since 1991.

mb it's true, but now economical and political situation in Ukraine is very bad.

а теперь по русски..
Моё такое отношение к Украине вызвано дибилизмом верховной власти вашей страны. У вас периодически происходят самозахваты, ( татнефть подала иск на 4млрд.долларов. ). Ситуация с газом из года в год повторяется ( даже грузины нормально платят ), в Крыму у вас черт знает что творится, какие то новые поселения, белеберда со флотом ( Вы просто не понимаете, умрет без России Севастополь ), про НАТО я вообще молчу, хотите под прицел попасть - пожалуйста. Знаешь, посмотри на Казахстан, и посмотри на Украину, и поймешь, к кому надо стремиться. Ющенко вообще клоун, сидит в кресле с 12% доверия граждан - где есть такое в Мире. Как придет Тимошенко, ситуация еще ухудшится, только вы уже сделали свой выбор, и мне вас жаль, вы стали страной марионеткой, хотя потенциал все еще есть. Вас в ЕС еще лет 12-15 брать не будут, а Россия к 2020 году по уровню жизни начнет обгонять Францию того же периода. Вы уже просто стали для нас чем-то вроде Мексики для США, рабочая сила и не более. Татарстан, где я живу, с населением 5млн. человек, получил в прошлом году столько же иностранных инвестиций, сколько вся Украина. Это о чем то говорит. Я лишь повторюсь, вы свой выбор сделали, и мне вас жаль.

aidar89, пацанчик, а не пошел бы ты накуй и не начал бы заниматься своей страной? а? как тебе мое предложение?

aidar89, пацанчик, а не пошел бы ты накуй и не начал бы заниматься своей страной? а? как тебе мое предложение?

ну зачем же грубить? с моей стороны грубости не было :) По поводу тебя остается заметить: какая страна, такие люди.

Метать бисер перед быдлом (тобой) не буду. Ты мразь и заслуживаешь соответствующего отношения.
И еще раз повторяю предложение: обсуждай архитектуру данного конкретного стадиона или вали нах в ваш подфорум и звизди там, сколько мочи в голове хватит.

Метать бисер перед быдлом (тобой) не буду. Ты мразь и заслуживаешь соответствующего отношения.
И еще раз повторяю предложение: обсуждай архитектуру данного конкретного стадиона или вали нах в ваш подфорум и звизди там, сколько мочи в голове хватит.

видно задел тебя, если так, то извини :) А стадиончик ничего так, ток не успеете все работы провести. Удачи!

You should worry about your country that exists only thanks to oil in the ground. Ukraine has no oil and is growing as rapidly as Russia despite all the friendly obstacles from our eastern neighbor. Enjoy your artificial country while you have oil.

Nationalism and hate for all your neighbors and everyone in the world will not get you a bright future, russian boy. It's time you joined the civilized world, we welcome you :)

You should worry about your country that exists only thanks to oil in the ground. Ukraine has no oil and is growing as rapidly as Russia despite all the friendly obstacles from our eastern neighbor. Enjoy your artificial country while you have oil.

Нефть? Не смеши :) сырье занимает 24% нашей экономики, а остальное потребительский рынок и другие отрасли. Не спорю нефть стала базисом начала развития, но не более.

Nationalism and hate for all your neighbors and everyone in the world will not get you a bright future, russian boy. It's time you joined the civilized world, we welcome you :)

Вот именно Россия уже давно интегрировалась в мировую экономику, в отличии от вас. Отвергая Россию, вы отвергаете свое будущее. В период глобализации надо искать друзей, а не ссориться с ними..

Then if you understand this, why are you only seeking enemies in the world? Let it go, everyone wants to forget your atrocities and occupations, liberal capitalism & democracy are the way to go. Not protectionism, not artificial history making (justifications of your past) and not nationalism. Look at Germany as an example.

By creating a buffer of enemy states around your borders you're not increasing your happiness or security. Although, maybe you are happy living in hate, no matter how close we were, we could never understand your strange mentality.

Think about it and leave this thread alone, enough of russian nationalism here

Then if you understand this, why are you only seeking enemies in the world? Let it go, everyone wants to forget your atrocities and occupations, liberal capitalism & democracy are the way to go. Not protectionism, not artificial history making (justifications of your past) and not nationalism. Look at Germany as an example.

By creating a buffer of enemy states around your borders you're not increasing your happiness or security. Although, maybe you are happy living in hate, no matter how close we were, we could never understand your strange mentality.

Think about it and leave this thread alone, enough of russian nationalism here

После войны германия потеряла всё, она вынуждена была развиваться по капиталистическому пути. Посмотри на неё сейчас, экономика в порядке, но страна не является мировой державой, коей была до Войны. И к России ваше высказывание не относится, возможно мы потеряли многое, но не чувство собственного достоинства, и мы так же, как и Германия смогли встать на ноги, но в отличии от неё, не стали игрушкой для штатов на протяжении десятков лет. А самое главное мир зависит от нас теперь так же, как и мы от него. Не это ли есть показатель правильного пути? А врагов мы не ищем, если вы хотите играть по правилам запада вам надо для начала начать соблюдать их, но вы даже этого не можете сделать..

Do you have something to say about the design of this stadium? No? Good bye.

P.S. россия никогда не была супердержавой, она была супертюрьмой умудряясь угнитать не только захватывшие народы но и свой собственный. Сейчас россия это крикливая девочка проститутка, которая предлогает свои нефтянные услуги которые всем нужны как-бы не противно было с ней это делать но без них никуда не деться, а потом плюется по сторонам и бесится, почему её никто не уважает.

Как ты относишься к людям, так и они к тебе.

Do you have something to say about the design of this stadium? No? Good bye.

P.S. россия никогда не была супердержавой, она была супертюрьмой умудряясь угнитать не только захватывшие народы но и свой собственный. Сейчас россия это крикливая девочка проститутка, которая предлогает свои нефтянные услуги которые всем нужны как-бы не противно было с ней это делать но без них никуда не деться, а потом плюется по сторонам и бесится, почему её никто не уважает.

Как ты относишься к людям, так и они к тебе.

Ну АОЭ тогда подружка России? и все страны ОПЕК тоже девочки легкого поведения? Так? По поводу Советов я согласен, это был ад на земле, но сейчас все по другому. И в третьих, посмотри мюнхенскую конференцию 07 года, там и про Украину было сказано, серьезно говорю, посмотри, не поленись. И по поводу никто не уважает. Грузия и Украина, ну и частично страны прибалтики, и кто они для нас, совокупно эти страны не набирают даже 5% всего товарообарота России.

по поводу стадиона, пластиковые кресла будут менять?

so scary stadiums, it's bad idea organize euro in ukraine , they are so stupid.

Are you mad that Ukraine is getting a chance to host EURO 2012?:cry:

haha :lol: Champions League final, Olympic Games in Sochi, Universiade in Kazan. Euro in Ukraine will be the first and unique action of such level. You are threatened in general with country disorder.

Any of those that you have listed hardly compares to the magnitude of EURO 2012.

Ignore the troll, Im very impressed with Ukraines proposals and can't wait to visit.

Any of those that you have listed hardly compares to the magnitude of EURO 2012.

u think olympic games so easy organized? :ohno:

Are you mad that Ukraine is getting a chance to host EURO 2012?:cry:

yes, im very mad :bash:

u think olympic games so easy organized? :ohno:

It doesn't matter at all how hard it is to organize it. It just won't have half of the viewers and media attention that Euro has. Simple as that. So live with it.

Jesus, I just hope Russia gets a Euro soon, just to have some peace...

It doesn't matter at all how hard it is to organize it. It just won't have half of the viewers and media attention that Euro has. Simple as that. So live with it.

Jesus, I just hope Russia gets a Euro soon, just to have some peace...

Poland for all hundred percent has deserved to receive euro, but ukraine is no, there only one corruption and anything more. I doubt that they in general will have time to solve all questions with organization.

Poland for all hundred percent has deserved to receive euro, but ukraine is no, there only one corruption and anything more. I doubt that they in general will have time to solve all questions with organization.

FYI, Poland wouldn't even bid if it wasn't for Ukraine, who initiated it and had a lot more influence on UEFA. One without the other wouldn't go. So you either say both countries are prepared, or both aren't- there are no in-betweens.

Plus, it really sounds absurd when a Russian is accusing Ukrainians of being corrupted and at the same time claims Poland isn't. All 3 countries have the same problem, so I smell hipocrisy.

They probably won't solve all questions, I haven't heard of a country that ever did. It's always a compromise between what should be done and what can be done.

It's not about preparedness, but Russian hate for Poland is slightly less intense than their hate for Ukraine. That's all :cheers:

P.S. Interesting that Russian complaints about corruption when their own president is simultaneously the businessman who owns Gazprom :hilarious wschodni barbarzyńcy

But Poland football is corrupted.

Over could be said for Russia, "Russia's Goverement is corrupted and it uses illigal means to acheive their goals"

same argument and other arguments could be used for nearly every single country.

peace

An Olympic stadium has to have running tracks.

My idea of Street Football started last April 2000 while walking around Bras Basah Road in Singapore.

I saw guys playing street football right there on the park near the Asian Civilisation Museum in Armenian Street and Singapore Art Museum.
The player doesnt need stadium or running tracks at all.
Players were friendly and seems practicing ASEANese spirit :grouphug: after making in an imaginary goal.

I predicted that place would be the next center for cultural exchange.
It was now the site of SMU - Singapore Management University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Management_University)

so scary stadiums, it's bad idea organize euro in ukraine , they are so stupid.

My friend, Russia has also applied for Euro 2012, however has failed to meet test requirements and was rejected as a candidate at a very first stage.

Good luck with Sochi! I sure hope that people organising it will do a good job and will not listen to jealous "people" like you. :)

FYI, Poland wouldn't even bid if it wasn't for Ukraine, who initiated it and had a lot more influence on UEFA. One without the other wouldn't go. So you either say both countries are prepared, or both aren't- there are no in-betweens.

Plus, it really sounds absurd when a Russian is accusing Ukrainians of being corrupted and at the same time claims Poland isn't. All 3 countries have the same problem, so I smell hipocrisy.

They probably won't solve all questions, I haven't heard of a country that ever did. It's always a compromise between what should be done and what can be done.

Nicely said! Respect! :cheers:

Burislav, which type do you think this project is close to? Renovation(Old stands in existence) or reconstruction(Old stands demolished or some demolished/some exist)?

Probably total reconstruction

u think olympic games so easy organized? :ohno:

And what Olympic games are you referring too? The ones that are going to be held in China or Britain? Or perhaps you forgot that Russia got rejected for the bid of Euro 2012? And now you are suggesting that they are going to organize the Olympics?

It's not about preparedness, but Russian hate for Poland is slightly less intense than their hate for Ukraine. That's all :cheers:

P.S. Interesting that Russian complaints about corruption when their own president is simultaneously the businessman who owns Gazprom :hilarious wschodni barbarzyńcy

The hate is less for Poland than Ukraine, because Poland did not stem from Kiev like the present Muscovy country which incorrectly obtains the name RUSsia, Instead of Muscovy.

The hate is less for Poland than Ukraine, because Poland did not stem from Kiev like the present Muscovy country which incorrectly obtains the name RUSsia, Instead of Muscovy.

:applause:

Polish & Ukraininian Unity!

But, back to the stadium from what i have heard the reconstruction starts in early june.:)

Russia's hate for Poland will be probably greater when, we pull out the countries round russia out of ur union, into Polands and Swedens mini union.

Final project (cap: 85k):
http://images33.fotosik.pl/288/e90a9700ede2acc0med.jpg
http://images33.fotosik.pl/288/c3b21b565f7cb4aamed.jpg
http://images28.fotosik.pl/231/e72c0dfb3f898f62med.jpg
http://images25.fotosik.pl/229/3605f7eb642f0fd0med.jpg
http://images26.fotosik.pl/231/b2d17db2ffda297emed.jpg
construction start: Q4 2008
end: 12.2011
:cheers:

Final project (cap: 85k):
http://images33.fotosik.pl/288/e90a9700ede2acc0med.jpg
http://images33.fotosik.pl/288/c3b21b565f7cb4aamed.jpg
http://images28.fotosik.pl/231/e72c0dfb3f898f62med.jpg
http://images25.fotosik.pl/229/3605f7eb642f0fd0med.jpg
http://images26.fotosik.pl/231/b2d17db2ffda297emed.jpg
construction start: Q4 2008
end: 12.2011
:cheers:

Great stadium! But why it is called Olympic??

Great stadium! But why it is called Olympic??

not sure about the general genesis of that name (there are many smaller stadiums also called olympic in Poland for sure thoguh they never had anything to do with Olympics),but the Kiev stadium has all the infrastructure needed for an olympic stadium and host football games during Moscow Olympics in 1980...

but I just checked and it turns out they've named it Olympic only after regaining independence in 1991, so that's the best I ould give you. Maybe Vampiro or Burislav have something more...

Final project (cap: 85k):
http://images33.fotosik.pl/288/e90a9700ede2acc0med.jpg
construction start: Q4 2008
end: 12.2011
:cheers:

It takes more than 3 years! I don't understand why the renovaion takes so much time. Do they tear the entire old stands down and rebuild the stadium? If not it can't take so long!

They will leave only part of the 1st tier, app. 28 000 seats. So there's quite a lot of work, as Burislav said, it's not only a modernisation, it's rebuilding.

85,000!!!!

attendance of EURO Finals
1960: 17,966
1964: 105,000
1968: 80,000 and 55,000
1972: 40,000
1976: 35,000
1980: 47,800
1984: 47,368
1988: 72,308
1992: 37,725
1996: 73,611
2000: 48,200
2004: 64,000

Could be the 2nd highest attendance in a EURO Final

^^
Actually, I haven't seen any official number for the capacity, seems architects and authorities mind telling it at this very moment. But to me it seems that it might be more. Of course not enough to compete with 1964, but still.

Maybe it will be 106,000 :D

according to wiki it was 1964 79,115!!!!!!!!!

^^ Where do you have the 105,000 figure from?
In general Wiki is not a very riable source.
Btw: For the 3rd place playoff: 3,869 in Camp Nou :D

This stadium will not be finished till Euro 2012 and Ukraine will lose the championchip!:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

According to many sources!

^^ Where do you have the 105,000 figure from?
In general Wiki is not a very riable source.
Btw: For the 3rd place playoff: 3,869 in Camp Nou :D

105k from my Kicker EURo magazine
wiki has got it from here
http://euro2008.football-shirts.co.uk/euro1964.html

It is an official project, changes in the project won't take place. Building works will begin right after knocking down a shopping centre which was being built by the stadium.

The first stage of building works will consist in taking the upper level of podiums off, then the capacity of the stadium will amount to 28k. Next modernization, being aimed at a reconstruction in order to exploit the possibility places will move works beneath podiums for requirements UEFA. At the same time an addition of two levels of modern podiums will last. Roofing over and installing the new elevation will be the last stage of works.
It will be almost complete reconstruction of the present stadium, therefore works will last for almost 3 years. Works delayed on account of a lawsuit about knocking a shopping centre down and for very process of demolishing this centre. Almost immediately building works will start, so he isn't for every to worry.

Why starts construction so late? Every week is important now!

Do you think it will be finished till 2012? Some people say "no"....

not sure about the general genesis of that name (there are many smaller stadiums also called olympic in Poland for sure thoguh they never had anything to do with Olympics),but the Kiev stadium has all the infrastructure needed for an olympic stadium and host football games during Moscow Olympics in 1980...

but I just checked and it turns out they've named it Olympic only after regaining independence in 1991, so that's the best I ould give you. Maybe Vampiro or Burislav have something more...

Yes, because football games during the 1980 Olympics were played here. However, it used to be called "Republican" before Independence, which was an unacceptable name after 1991 because Ukraine was no longer called "Ukrainian Soviet Socialistic Republic". Olympic was the most logical name for the arena.

This stadium will not be finished till Euro 2012 and Ukraine will lose the championchip!:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

According to many sources!

Name sources :) (And source does not equal a newspaper-they use sources as well ;) )

Great stadium I love it

This stadium will not be finished till Euro 2012 and Ukraine will lose the championchip!:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

According to many sources!According to many sources: Summer Olympics 2004 in Greece, Euro 2004 in Portugal and many more should not happend but some how...it were a great tournaments. Here we have quite similar situation tho...Also it will be much more important tournament for everybody, not only for countrys but for sponsors, tv's etc..

This stadium will not be finished till Euro 2012 and Ukraine will lose the championchip!:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

According to many sources!

1. Do you know a single competition that has not been "doomed" by the media? Euro 2004? Athens 2004? Beijin 2008? London 2012?:)

2. Name the sources please.:) (Reliable sources)

(Reliable sources)
There are probably no such sources, a whole is speculations of media. The ready project, the executor are also confirming the readiness to start works. Instead of to believe media and speculations better to look for the verified information and the ones threats to construction of this stadium are pointing out to the lack

Trouble around Kiev, acording to Reuters:

Soccer-Taiwanese company denies delaying Euro 2012 stadium

KIEV, June 17 (Reuters) - A Taiwanese company hired to renovate the stadium scheduled to host the final of Euro 2012 denied on Tuesday it was delaying the upgrade of the 80,000-seat Olympic stadium.

Eric Hsu, the president of the Archasia Design Group, told Reuters by telephone from Taipei that Ukranian officials had failed to provide key documents.

"They are supposed to give us the survey of the existing site, but they have not," he said.

A statement from Ukraine's sport ministry earlier said Archasia had produced no evidence it had proper legal status and could complete the renovations.

"The company has still to produce documents confirming it is entitled to operate in Ukraine and offered no plans to complete reconstruction work," the statement said.

It said independent experts in Ukraine this month "confirmed the conclusions of UEFA experts voicing doubts over whether Archasia Design Group's renovation proposals can be completed.

"The company's position in correcting technical errors and settling legal issues is threatening to torpedo negotiations."

Last Thursday an official from the Ukrainian soccer federation said the country could lose the right to co-host the tournament with Poland because of the delays.

Two days ago UEFA officials denied Spain had been approached as a possible replacement host if Ukraine failed to resolve infrastructure problems.

In January, UEFA President Michel Platini criticised slow preparations in Ukraine. He is due to make another visit on July 1.

Hsu said his company, which was awarded the contract in March, would have no difficulty meeting UEFA demands.

"They are delaying the contract, I don't know why. They are supposed to give us a survey of the existing site and supposed to demolish the building in front of the stadium and provide us with a drawing. They haven't done that," he said.

Hsu said efforts were being made to secure proper legal status in Ukraine and added he had met with UEFA twice last month.

President Viktor Yushchenko has urged government officials to come up with concrete solutions ahead of Platini's new visit to overcome the huge challenges in upgrading rail and road links, modernising airports and building hotels. (Editing by John Mehaffey).

1. Do you know a single competition that has not been "doomed" by the media? Euro 2004? Athens 2004? Beijin 2008? London 2012?:)

2. Name the sources please.:) (Reliable sources)

Germany 2006 :)

Germany 2006 :)

Sorry Sercan, but I remember the apocalyptic sound when it came to everyone's attention that Frankfurt's roof is leaking, some concrete construction of the stand fell off at Allianz and something other happened in Berlin...

Thast true
But nobody said, as i remember, that Germany 2006 is in danger.
It was just about some stadia.

Mediterranean, Eastern European or African cannot organize those events according to some arrogant western journalist :ohno:

Its one of my biggest concern if Turkey gets the EURO 2016.

Mediterranean and Muslim and Turks. Impossble that this lazy nation can build stadiums. And why Europe etc etc :D

Does somebody know the schedule of works of the reconstruction of this stadium?
Works are reportedly supposed to begin in 2008 and to last till end 2011 but the schedule to find I can't.

Does somebody know the schedule of works of the reconstruction of this stadium?
Works are reportedly supposed to begin in 2008 and to last till end 2011 but the schedule to find I can't.

Tommorow, demolition of the mall begins
October, reconstruction starts.
January 2011, reconstruction completed.

Wow Vampiro, thanks for that! And did they solve the missunderstanding with Archasia Group? And finally given the capacity? :) And... the mall demolition begins tomorrow, what about demolition of the upper tier of the stadium?

There will be a new stadium project because the taiwanese company cannot built the stadium in time.:ohno::ohno::ohno:

http://www.sport1.de/de/apps/news/news-meldung/news_2282105.html

Can someone rename the city name back to Kyiv?
Also I don't see the point of using transliterated name of the stadium, just leave it "Olympic". And capacity is going to be more than 85,000. It's in the range from 90,000 and up, but it hasn't been announced it (theoretically it could be only 85k. but there's no information supporting it).

Kyiv is the official English name of the city and that's what we use on the forum.

Thanks.

So, Archasia kicked out of the tender deal. A shame from my perspective, the best design lost.
http://www.topnews.in/sports/ukraine-government-cancels-taiwan-overhaul-troubled-stadium-22191

According to Topnews, the Kyiv stadium will now be refurbished according to a different project, one of those sent to the competition, on Thursday. I recon the main criteria will be time as it is already slightly off schedule (is it? it tends to be from what I read), not the quality of the design. In the short run (saving Euro 2012 for Kyiv) I think it might do good, but in the long run quality should be decisive.

Yep, sucks. I loved this design... but the good thing is that most proposals were of decent quality

Even if Ukraine lost Euro 2012. Germany wouldn't get a peice of it. Aparantly by 2012, poland would be able to host Euro (by it self) on these stadiums:

50+

- National football stadium (Warsaw)

- Stadium Śląsk (chorzow)


40000-50000:

- Poznan Stadium
- Baltic Arena
- Wrocław Stadium


30 000 - 40 000

- Górnika Stadium
- Legja Stadium (Warsaw)
- Stadionie Wisły (Krakow)


And maybe also Lodz and Sczecin Stadium.




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So no country can get excited about Ukraine loosing euro. Which will not happen, because euro may always take place on a reserve venue instead of the olympic one in Kiev.

If Poland decides that it doesn't want to host Euro with Ukraine, it's going to be Ukraine alone.

^ Riiiiiiight...But as far as I know Uefa? and many many other people/organizations/newspapers are giving a clear signal that its almost impossible build/modernize ...hm..everything? in Ukraine...I mean raiilways, motorways, hotels etc... Ukraine is waaaay behind w.europe and c-e europe...But, it's a typical situation before big/biggest tournament, (look Greece)...In my very personal opinion, E2012 (in Pol and Ukr for sure) will be exaclly the same like E2008/04, or...even much more exciting/entertaining...

hopefully the football is as exciting as 08....

@ masterpaul:

that's a simple calculation. if the problems were only about the stadia, they could rather easily be solved. It's the (lack of) infrastructure that makes the officials really ponder..
by the way: i think we are beyond the point of poland and ukraine deciding if to host euro 2012 or not. It's up to the UEFA now and i reckon the tournament in those two countries is in direct jeopardy.

Even if Ukraine lost Euro 2012. Germany wouldn't get a peice of it. Aparantly by 2012, poland would be able to host Euro (by it self) on these stadiums:
You like to get mocked, don't you? It's obvious we wouldn't be able to host it alone, stadiums don't even have to be the case.

If Poland decides that it doesn't want to host Euro with Ukraine, it's going to be Ukraine alone.
don't get carried away, there is no question of that kind here, only some... seperated individuals have their theories, like everywhere.

^ Riiiiiiight...But as far as I know Uefa? and many many other people/organizations/newspapers are giving a clear signal that its almost impossible build/modernize ...hm..everything? in Ukraine
Oh, Platini called you last night? what organizations (apart from those that would benefit from it and have interest in taking Euro away) and people (apart from daydreamers like Masterpaul, etc.) do you mean?

Why don't we all just wait? Last thing we need is a struggle between the host nations...

Real shame the winning project won't get build.

The hotels ARE being built in every host and reserve city, they won't be the problem, the airports ARE being upgraded, but even if they are not up to western European standards, what's the worst that can happen, western Europeans are going to suffer by looking at not so modern airports? :D

The roads, same thing, some roads are of decent quality, some are being upgraded, if not everything can be converted to western European standards in time, big deal, it'll be an adventure for westerners to drive on our roads without all the EU standard extra shiny lines :D it's not like they won't be able to get somewhere because the exit from a highway is not up to standards of Switzerland.

The two large reserve stadiums are UNDER CONSTRUCTION, Odesa and Kharkiv, so there's absolutely nothing to worry about in Ukraine regarding the stadiums. The Olympic stadium in Kyiv will probably be way behind schedule but still ready by 2012, the whole delay is due to a fucking mall in front of it and incompetence of the winning Taiwanese team. So the whole problem is clearing the mall (starts today) and choosing one of the other READY projects.

Now I hate the rebuilding project of the Kiev Stadium because the seating bowl has to be drastically altered.

Where is the new project?

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Really this project was chosen? I found the information about it on the Ukrainian part of this forum, but not being good at language of the Ukrainian I cannot confirm whether it is an official decision.

Its not the chosen project. They still havent decided which one is. On Ukrainian forum we were only talking about this stadium and how bad it will be if it gets chosen.

Thanks for the information ;)

Bandera- whose design is it?! I cannot believe it's of either Foster or GMP...

^^ No its not. Its the design from one of the leading architects in Kyiv. When they were voting on the project for Kyiv "olimpiysky" stadium this design got zero votes. So we are hoping the same thing is going to happen this week.

Thanks for the information ;)

Youre Welcome! :)

I also hope that this project won't be chosen... He remains to wait for adjudicating the competition. How many projects stayed proposed?

^^ They say its either going to be the Brits or the Germans, but in Ukraine you never know the Taiwanis still might have a chance.

Ongoing demolition of the large mall in front of the stadium that is required for the reconstruction of the arena.

http://i28.tinypic.com/300vatv.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/35dcgut.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2008d94.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2446ryd.jp

^^
Yeah at last started the ones knocking down a shopping centre. Good news :)
When are reconstructions of the stadium supposed to choose the new plan?

^^
Yeah at last started the ones knocking down a shopping centre. Good news :)
When are reconstructions of the stadium supposed to choose the new plan?

I think yesterday :lol: but nothing in the news, they're being secretive about it and probably don't want the situation to repeat itself, as with the Taiwanese company that said they couldn't do it in 3 years.