How did Quebec end up with the triangle of land that is now Soulanges and Vaudréuil Counties, located between the Ottawa and St. Lawrence Rivers? How come Ontario doesn't have that land? On a map, those counties seem a little bit cut off from the rest of the province.

Maybe the triangle you're referring to was Upper Canada's buffer zone for the then-perceived (some might say still- ) rabble residing in Lower Canada. Montreal lost its capitalhood to Q Vic's choice of Ottawa about a dozen years before confederation, because of some raucous rebellion its residents had back then.

It would appear to me that Quebec doesn't think along line of counties; if it were to, then the focus'd probably be parishes (for the sake of some jurisdiction-like term).

If there were any part of near-Quebec that were considered isolated, then I'd say it's its area of charming villages and farmland sandwiched between its western border to NYS, le Fleuve Saint-Laurent, and the regional industrial town near-riverside town (sort of like a US county-seat town) of Valleyfield. With its near side being barely 50Km away from Montreal's city centre, this region's wonderful for quiet pic-nics and genuine decompression (from the nearby urban island). I wish I knew! what the province calls this region, which lies beyond the opposite bank from the area you mention. It's so quiet, très tranquil.

Because that's how Quebec rolls. Seriously, they're the only hardcore-french speaking region in the continent. You can expect them to hold on to every single piece of land that they have, and claim anything that threatens this as a threat to Quebec's french heritgage. :banana:

^^ lazy explanation -- ain't the author hoping for some non-Yankeefied rationale to his query?

"Seriously"? SVP (please) . . .

wtf are these replies?

its because Quebec extended way down in the mississipi back then and included most of current Ontario.

It was cut off between lower and upper canada.

Hey, one could make the argument that if you follow the Québec-New-York Border, technically, cornwall should be part of Québec. The Ontario Québec border could go north from there! Up util the Outaouais river!

wtf are these replies?
Mine? 85WPM!

wtf are these replies?

its because Quebec extended way down in the mississipi back then and included most of current Ontario.

It was cut off between lower and upper canada.

I think few people realize that New France once extended over much of the continent...

Why isn't Detroit part of Quebec? Or New Orleans?

It's still not a bad question though... the Ottawa river makes sense as a border, but what made that area special? I mean, there are other parts of Ontario that could have easily been a part of Quebec...

its because Quebec extended way down in the mississipi back then and included most of current Ontario.
Wrong. Try swapping Quebec with La Nouvelle France -- wasn't LNF sold before to the yanks before the British ousted the French from ruling?

Read closer to recognize the author's question regarding provincial boundaries, not then-international ones.

Moreover, be gentle with my casting the beauty of our province as we know it today.

LNF wasn't sold, the Mississippi watershed was sold.

http://www.jmu.edu/madison/center/images/lpmapbig.gif

It included a small part of Canada. Northwestern Ontario at the time was also part of New France, and was not included in the sale. We were one of the most important parts of the Northwest Company (French counterpart of HBC). After the British won the war, it was split into Quebec and Ontario. Why that small land is included is as obvious as why Kenora and Patricia are part of Ontario.

why Kenora and Patricia are part of Ontario.
Right, of course: They (Ontario) needed a buffer zone for the Métis 'rabble' west of those communities . . . nobody need take me that seriously, alright? :)

The Métis rabble is located in that area. I am one of them. :hi:

Be nice next time. :)

You shouldn't have brought this up. The Russians are now going to go exploring and will find out that the little triangle of land actually is an extension of their continental shelf. They will then unilaterally declare it as theirs. For the motherland and whatnot!

Wrong. Try swapping Quebec with La Nouvelle France -- wasn't LNF sold before to the yanks before the British ousted the French from ruling?

Read closer to recognize the author's question regarding provincial boundaries, not then-international ones.

Moreover, be gentle with my casting the beauty of our province as we know it today.


no you're wrong:

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The Métis rabble is located in that area. I am one of them. :hi:

Be nice next time. :)

Are you Metis?

I knew you were 'rabble' to begin with Vid, but that had nothing to do with race. :)

no you're wrong:

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Uhn-uhnh -- there was no federation within which provinces could be established . . . I'd sure like to see somebody try scanning a 2.25-century-old map to appear upon my screen ! :ohno: You keep muddling interprovincial boundaries with international ones -- they ain't one-and-the-same.

And as for my 'rabble' bit -- you needn't look at me for history not being "nice". Besides, education's a provincial mandate, not a federal one in Canada, right? I do remember, however, a whole high-school term of history class dealing with nothing other than how the federal government became 'responsible' ("Responsible Governance" was the never-ending topic) prior to confederation. I don't feel bad when I single-quote what I'm trying to relate -- reveal to me some two-digit percentage of Canadians that knows its history well . . . :ohno:

Back to the original question, it does seem strange that it's not a natural boundary.

Hey, i would've made the boundary between both provinces route 34 down from hawksbury all the weay to Akwesasne!

it does seem strange that it's not a natural boundary.
Precisely, hence my bizarre replies . . .

They stole our jur....errr, land.

They stole our jur....errr, land.

If memory serves me correctly the boundary between Quebec and Ontario was defined when the Province of Quebec was divided into Upper and Lower Canada in 1791 under the Constitutional Act or Canada Bill if I'm not mistaken. I believe there was a question of where to run the boundary and whether to include Montreal into Upper Canada or not. My understanding is that the decision was based on where land had been settled or not based on French civil law vs British common law. As French Canadians were in the majority and there was a strong desire not to alienate their support of British North America hence the generous interpretation of where, effectively, French civil land law would apply, or not. Presumably this is why Montreal and a portion of the south side of the Ottawa river remained in Lower Canada (Quebec).

the Constitutional Act or Canada Bill
The British North America Act? Then again, what do I know . . . :runaway:

Are you Metis?

I knew you were 'rabble' to begin with Vid, but that had nothing to do with race. :)

One fourth Métis. :D

If Quebec stayed that way, Thunder Bay would be a border town. I wonder which side would be larger?

The British North America Act? Then again, what do I know . . . :runaway:

BNA act was 1866.

I think he's refering to the Treaty of Paris of 1763.

One fourth Métis. :D



Well, thats something to be proud of certainly. You've got all the Canadian bases covered, assuming some other portion of you is anglo. But of course, there's a million places we all came from.

1/4th Métis (1/8th French, not sure exactly where in France though, and 1/8th Ojibwe of Koochiching, the area around Fort Frances and International Falls. They were originally from what is now Northern Minnesota.)

1/4th English (With some Huguenot mixed in)

1/2 Scandinavian (From the borderland between Norway (dad's side) and Sweden (mom's side), mostly from Jamptland.)

All I need is some Asian and I'm set. :P

^^ 1/4+1/8+1/8+1/4+1/2= 5/4 :?

1/4+1/4+1/2=1

1/8+1/8=1/4

Métis is 1/2 French, 1/2 native. When those two halves form a quarter, they form eighths.

Aah, I see, you were elaborating on one of the 1/4.

My bad. :nuts:

It was the constitutional act of 1791 that divided the Québec colony into lower and upper Canada.

All I need is some Asian and I'm set. :P

It's abit late to get some Asian in you, or African, for that matter. Well, on second thoughts, you're still young.

hehehe! you are devilishly funny, mr ashok! :lol:

I am ? :?

What is so damned funny anyhow about St. Louis de Ha! Ha! ?

1/4+1/4+1/2=1

1/8+1/8=1/4

Métis is 1/2 French, 1/2 native. When those two halves form a quarter, they form eighths.

You've combined Canadian history with grade 8 math. My brain just exploded!

You've combined Canadian history with grade 8 math. My brain just exploded!

Je suis que bon. :)

You shouldn't have brought this up. The Russians are now going to go exploring and will find out that the little triangle of land actually is an extension of their continental shelf. They will then unilaterally declare it as theirs. For the motherland and whatnot!


:lol:

^^:lol::lol:

I am ? :?



You are! However, I think I meant to say Mr Isaidso at that
particular time! ;)

If memory serves me correctly the boundary between Quebec and Ontario was defined when the Province of Quebec was divided into Upper and Lower Canada in 1791 under the Constitutional Act or Canada Bill if I'm not mistaken. I believe there was a question of where to run the boundary and whether to include Montreal into Upper Canada or not. My understanding is that the decision was based on where land had been settled or not based on French civil law vs British common law. As French Canadians were in the majority and there was a strong desire not to alienate their support of British North America hence the generous interpretation of where, effectively, French civil land law would apply, or not. Presumably this is why Montreal and a portion of the south side of the Ottawa river remained in Lower Canada (Quebec).


Detroit and the Windsor side got screwed out of that deal... we are the last southern vestage of New France (Quebec) in Canada.
And the people in Quebec cry for their culture? You should see it down here! My girlfriend is Franco-Ontarian and the government barely recognizes her 'peoples.' lol be thankful you live in a culturally protected area!

The history of New France is extremly interesting and I've studied local and national history very indepth. I love it.