Russia's Putin calls on government to improve roads
17 April 2006

MOSCOW, April 17 (Prime-Tass) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on the government to work on improving the state of Russia’s roads, ITAR-TASS reported Monday.

With Russia's proverbial bad state of auto roads and the world's vastest territory, improving roads is a task of leviathan proportions.

At a meeting with Putin, Zhukov focused on road development.

In particular, the 10,000-kilometer road - the world’s longest - that links Moscow, Vladivostok and the Baltic Sea ports, will be completed soon, Deputy Prime Minister Alexander Zhukov said at a meeting with Putin at the Kremlin.

Private investors are expected to finance the construction of many highways, Zhukov said. The government plans to conclude concession agreements with investors financing the construction of toll roads, Zhukov added.

Speaking on air transportation, Zhukov said that a network of federal airports and international interchange hubs are expected to be built.

Putin also called on the ministers to amend legislation as soon as possible to stop the misuse of land allocated for the construction of roads and other infrastructure.

"It is perfectly evident to us that it is not ordinary people who buy land. If the Transportation Ministry and the Economic Development and Trade Ministry have a common position on this issue, then try to do it (amend the legislation) as soon as possible," Putin said.

At the present time the government is examining a bill on the reservation of land plots for the construction of roads and other federal infrastructure facilities in the future, Economic Development and Trade Minister German Gref said at the meeting with Putin.

The government will discuss transport strategy at one of its meetings in the near future, Putin said.

It's about time.

I've heard the Moscow ring road motorway is a superb road - D5 all the way? Cant find much information on it. Anyone an authority on it?

Go Russia! It's by way of projects like this that they will recover their lost glory, now in a slick capitalist form.

I've heard the Moscow ring road motorway is a superb road - D5 all the way? Cant find much information on it. Anyone an authority on it?

The Moscow ring road called Московская Кольцевая Автомобильная Дорога (МКАД) has a minimum of 5 lanes on each way to 8 it's about 109km long.

http://www.vesti.ru/p/m_95731.jpg

Thanks bud.

Beautiful road , and lots of cars too. Would love to visit moscow sometime in near future.

Some photos of MKAD special for Boards

http://img-2006-01.photosight.ru/05/1209981.jpg
http://www.interwave.ru/gallery/data/media/110/fly_over_moscow_0013.jpg
http://photo.kamforum.ru/data/media/25/post-30-1123596478.jpg
http://kimovsk2005.narod.ru/vmk/S2500009.jpg
http://img-2006-03.photosight.ru/04/1305374.jpg

The Moscow ring road called Московская Кольцевая Автомобильная Дорога (МКАД) has a minimum of 5 lanes on each way to 8 it's about 109km long.

http://www.vesti.ru/p/m_95731.jpg
What does it mean, that you wrote "to 8"?

Konoval thanks alot much appreciated :) Wow that is heavy traffic in the top picture.

What does it mean, that you wrote "to 8"?

From 5 lanes to 8 lanes.

What does it mean, that you wrote "to 8"?

I guess he is trying to say that each side has minimum of 5 lanes and in some places upto 8 lanes. Not sure? :dunno:

I guess he is trying to say that each side has minimum of 5 lanes and in some places upto 8 lanes. Not sure? :dunno:
As I now MKAD has maximum 5 lanes each side 10 lanes both side. It can't be so wide. Because last renovation as I was in 92-94. After when it wasn't expanding. Maybe it only can be that i some places is only 4 lanes each way.

From 5 lanes to 8 lanes.
You wanna say 8 lanes one side or both? If both, so it's from 8 to 10 probably. :)

someone knows if this is MKAD these guys are caring on ? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/42142/russian_style_driving/

someone knows if this is MKAD these guys are caring on ? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/42142/russian_style_driving/
I think it is this motorway outside Moscow, It's a motorway connecting Sheremetyevo Airport with Moscow airport.


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/pulkovo/Sherem_r.jpg

there are tones of freeways in moscow and province, but on video it is MKAD, most popular place for street racers. but those two are just children. prof racing on nights with much higher speed. 300kmph is easy to reach there on good car. road is almost narrow and wide with long turns.

here is one more video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8323864492797781568&q=mkad&pl=true

^those guys are crazy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...&q=mkad&pl=true

LOL at that speed you get the most painless way of ending your life.

I think it is this motorway outside Moscow, It's a motorway connecting Sheremetyevo Airport with Moscow airport.




that's unlikely. why would so many trucks be going to the airport.

that's unlikely. why would so many trucks be going to the airport.
cargo transport from the airport to the city centre :)

Here's some highways in Russia that are outside Moscow

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/12_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/13_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/15_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/28_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/8_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/47_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/014.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/064.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/305.jpg

Building highways
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/191.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/456.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/499.jpg

Are these pictures from the Moscow - Tula Motorway?

Russian highways!

There aren't so many motorways, but there are some radiating out of Moscow, the longest being the M4. There is also the MKAD, the Moscovian ringroad, it is said to be the busiest in Europe

Some pics;

Around Moscow:
http://foto-moscow.ru/img/fl657234840.jpg

http://foto-moscow.ru/img/fl469142074.jpg

http://foto-moscow.ru/img/fl327487672.jpg

http://foto-moscow.ru/img/fl1175668077.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/033.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/146.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/248.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/291.jpg

http://www.supernova.ru/mkad.jpg

Motorways around Moscow:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2241/moskva6jn.png

More pics;

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/47_b.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/064.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/049.jpg

St. Petersburg:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/pulkovo/Sankt-Peterburg-Ring.jpg

MKAD
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/pulkovo/mkad.jpg

Near Moscow on the M2
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/pulkovo/M2Domvo.jpg

MKAD
http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/moskwa/2005_sept/050927_moskwa_5519.jpg

http://www.michau.se/pics/my_pics/moskwa/2004_sept/moskwa_040920_0325.jpg

Some more pics which are not in Moscow;

M7 in Perm
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/small/images/simg-885358493.jpg

Road to Ufa
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1686974721.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1660192612.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1630639940.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1605704873.jpg

M7 east of Kazan, towards Kazan
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1600163747.jpg

M7:
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1597393184.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-804088645.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-832717796.jpg

M7 Kazan - Nizhny Novgorod:
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg802635228.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg827570295.jpg

2+1
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg854352404.jpg

Svijaga river
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg912534227.jpg

M7 again
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg1571928221.jpg

M7 Nizhny Novgorod heading to Moscow:
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-714380900.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-713457379.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-91004225.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-882916805.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-859828780.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-858905259.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-832123150.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-827505545.jpg

In the Urals:
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg62768699.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg60921657.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg692610021.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg858843801.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg860690843.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg1574572576.jpg

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg1724182978.jpg

Far eastern Russia; between Chita and Khabarovsk;

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/images/history2/135.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/203.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/198.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/172.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/165.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/164.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/092.jpg

Amur river
http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/068.jpg

http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/040.jpg

Avtomagistrala Doroga "Amur" Chita - Khabarovsk
Motor Road "Amur" Chita - Khabarovsk
http://www.amur-trassa.ru/media/gallery/026.jpg

This road was opened by president Putin in 2004.

^^

Great Pics :cheers: where the hell did you get them from??? I've searched too many places for some but couldn't find any. Excellent job, thanks mate.

Russian roads are not something.
some of them reminds me south east american roads (like in Georgia, Florida and Carolina).
Kaltsevaya Daroga of Moscow is ok.
i remember a good road east to Moscow (when i was there in 1999).
also, the russians can't drive. i will not be surprised if the highest percentage of accident in Europe.

Russian roads are not something.
some of them reminds me south east american roads (like in Georgia, Florida and Carolina).
Kaltsevaya Daroga of Moscow is ok.
i remember a good road east to Moscow (when i was there in 1999).
also, the russians can't drive. i will not be surprised if the highest percentage of accident in Europe.

...and many drive under influence.....:)

Chris, Russian highways = Российские автодороги. You might want to correct the title of this thread. People don't typically say магистрали in plural form.

When you refer to landstraße, you should say 'трасса' or 'шоссе' (more rarely). When you refer to autobahn, you say 'автомагистраль'.

I think it's a shame that there is no continuous motorway from Moscow to St Petersburg. Since I myself is from Kaliningrad (Königsberg), I haven't driven a lot in the 'mainland' Russia; however, once I drove from St. Petersburg to Moscow, and it was not a particularly pleasant drive.

I can't change the thread title :(

But i wasn't already sure on the title, my Russian is not that good ;)

I can't change the thread title :(

But i wasn't already sure on the title, my Russian is not that good ;)

Russians highways - Rossiskaja magistrali (Российская магистрали) which means - Russian routes :)

I reckon it's good though :)

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/47_b.jpg
^ Is that an exit ramp at lower right?
MKAD
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b398/pulkovo/mkad.jpg
^ With driveways straight off and on to the road instead of long on and off ramps I don't think this would be considered motorway standard anywhere else!

M7 in Perm
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/small/images/simg-885358493.jpg
M7 east of Kazan, towards Kazan
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1600163747.jpg
M7:
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg-1597393184.jpg
M7 Kazan - Nizhny Novgorod:
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg802635228.jpg
M7 again
http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg1571928221.jpg
M7 - is this considered a motorway in Russia? If it is, it's sure a lot different to other countries, what with no linemarking on some parts, single carriageways, undivided four lane sections, sharp turn-offs and to cap it all off, in the fourth photo above, pedestrian crossings!!! WTF?? LOL!

^ Is that an exit ramp at lower right?

^ With driveways straight off and on to the road instead of long on and off ramps I don't think this would be considered motorway standard anywhere else!

Iranian motorways are like that too.

M7 - is this considered a motorway in Russia? If it is, it's sure a lot different to other countries, what with no linemarking on some parts, single carriageways, undivided four lane sections, sharp turn-offs and to cap it all off, in the fourth photo above, pedestrian crossings!!! WTF?? LOL!

No, i don't think so. I haven't seen maps that show the M7 as a motorway. However, what i've seen from maps and Google Earth, the Russian definition of a motorway is the same as in the rest of Europe (at least 2x2+emergency lanes and no level crossings). However, the state of pavement may be worse considering local harsh winter condition (with temperatures ranging from +35 to -45).
I'm not sure about the MKAD, most maps show them as a motorway, but i think it is more considered as an expressway.

In Russia, there are a lot of threelaned and fourlaned roads, which aren't motorways. In fact, most M1 - M9 roads are generally of a quite good capacity, but the pavement can be extremely bad, and so is safety.

i think MKAD is motorway, it should have 5+1 for each direction (5 driving lanes and 1 SOS). but you know that ringroads are often characterized as expressways (for instance Praha ringroad, Wien's S1 etc.)

http://foto-moscow.ru/img/fl327487672.jpg


the condos are quite Chinese-style.
But chinese builds dense highrises just because they has hell enormous population.

I wonder why Russian build such dull buildings while Russia has the largest area in the world.

^^ Moscow is pretty dense populated. I think most of the population only can afford apartments, since housing in Moscow is extremely expensive.

Do they use special materials for the pavenment roads because of the cold? Do the russians change the pneumatics in winter time too?

No, i don't think so. I haven't seen maps that show the M7 as a motorway. However, what i've seen from maps and Google Earth, the Russian definition of a motorway is the same as in the rest of Europe (at least 2x2+emergency lanes and no level crossings). However, the state of pavement may be worse considering local harsh winter condition (with temperatures ranging from +35 to -45).
I'm not sure about the MKAD, most maps show them as a motorway, but i think it is more considered as an expressway.

In Russia, there are a lot of threelaned and fourlaned roads, which aren't motorways. In fact, most M1 - M9 roads are generally of a quite good capacity, but the pavement can be extremely bad, and so is safety.
C'mon, you can't put the bad road quality on extreme weather. Look Finland for example...They have perfect road pavement everywhere.

Russians highways - Rossiskaja magistrali (Российская магистрали) which means - Russian routes :)

I reckon it's good though :)
You seem to forget that Russian words have different ending depending on gender, quantity, etc. Plural 'Russian' will be Российские (Rossiyskie). As for the word 'magistrali', it doesn't exactly translate as highways. At least, you can trust me as being a Russian native speaker ;)

^^ Moscow is pretty dense populated. I think most of the population only can afford apartments, since housing in Moscow is extremely expensive.
What else besides apartments can be in Moscow? In case you don't know, most people actually own their apartments, unlike in Europe and North America where apartments are usually rented. My family owned a 2-bedroom apartment (flat) in an ugly 16f commieblock on the outskirts of Kaliningrad until we sold it for $30,000. I have never had any regrets about it :ohno: Now, every time I look at these tall commieblocks (whether it be China, Russia or Europe), I fall into depression :lol:

You seem to forget that Russian words have different ending depending on gender, quantity, etc. Plural 'Russian' will be Российские (Rossiyskie). As for the word 'magistrali', it doesn't exactly translate as highways. At least, you can trust me as being a Russian native speaker ;)

In this case I can only trust you :) . I only translated the title of the thread, which seems to be incorrect (Rossiyskaja) anyway as it should be plural as you had mantioned. Our grammars are pretty similar.

the condos are quite Chinese-style.
But chinese builds dense highrises just because they has hell enormous population.


Heck, you should rather say, Chinese condos are quite Russian style. :lol:

Or rather: Welcome to communist block architecture.:cheers:
You should see such condos almost everywhere in eastern Europe. Ugly and uniform, but cheap and plentiful.

What else besides apartments can be in Moscow? In case you don't know, most people actually own their apartments, unlike in Europe and North America where apartments are usually rented. My family owned a 2-bedroom apartment (flat) in an ugly 16f commieblock on the outskirts of Kaliningrad until we sold it for $30,000. I have never had any regrets about it :ohno: Now, every time I look at these tall commieblocks (whether it be China, Russia or Europe), I fall into depression :lol:Where did you get this information?
The reality is, that in US most people actually own their apartments, or houses.

National homeownership trends The United States has now reached an all*time homeownership high of 70 percent; however, all ethnicities are not equally represented. Nationally, 76 percent of non* Hispanic white Americans own a home, but less than half of black and Hispanic Americans and only 55 percent of Asians are homeowners. Homeownership nationally increases with age with those 55 years and older having an ownership rate of more than 80 percent. Clearly, the problem is homeownership for those in the prime family*formation stage. The national homeownership rate for those under 35 years of age is just 43.1 percent. AGE GROUP % OWNERSHIP UNDER 35 YEARS 43.1% 35 TO 44 YEARS 68.6% 45 T0 54 YEARS 77.4% 55 TO 64 YEARS 81.2% 65 AND OVER 81.8% SOURCE: U.S. CENSUS BUREAU HOMEOWNERSHIP BY AGE GROUP UNITED STATES 2005 In his report, the President challenged the nation to dramatically increase its efforts to reduce the barriers to homeownership with particular emphasis on increasing homeownership for minorities. A Home of Your Own is a call to both the public and private sectors to “tear down barriers to homeownership.” The rising national homeownership rates are encouraging, but the situation in California is far less positive.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:R1I453fktrcJ:www.cbia.org/documents/public/FINAL%2520Homeownership%2520Report%2520March%252022.pdf+rate+of+home+ownership+in+usa&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

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As of russian roads, Russia has a lot to do to catch up with W.Europe, in quality and density, and with USA, in total length.

http://www.visualtravelguide.com/medium/images/mimg1574572576.jpg

BTW: what is the dollar to ruble exchange rate?



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BTW: what is the dollar to ruble exchange rate?


1 dollar = 25,4 roubles

^^ That makes - cir. $ 2,59 for 1gallon of gas, when in Philadelphia Pa. average price for 1gallon (3,78L) of premium gas is right now, around $3,00
So, the price for gas in Russia isn't that low, as I thought it would be.
It's the more strange to me, when you consider that Russia is a major producer of oil, and USA import most of the oil, used for production of gas, sold in USA.


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Is it true that private motor vehicle ownership was either greatly restricted or totally banned in Russia under communism? If so, I guess there would have been little need for motorways and other similar roads so have most of Russia's motorways been built since communism's demise?

unlike in Europe and North America where apartments are usually rented.Where did you get this information?
The reality is, that in US most people actually own their apartments, or houses.
I live in the USA for 7 years. The truth is - on the West Coast people rarely own apartments. In California, most of apartments are 3 stories high and made of 'popcorn'. They are almost never for sale.

^^ That makes - cir. $ 2,59 for 1gallon of gas, when in Philadelphia Pa. average price for 1gallon (3,78L) of premium gas is right now, around $3,00
So, the price for gas in Russia isn't that low, as I thought it would be.
It's the more strange to me, when you consider that Russia is a major producer of oil, and USA import most of the oil, used for production of gas, sold in USA.


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Gas prices in the Netherlands are € 5,70 per Gallon or $ 7,70 per gallon. So in Russia and the US, gas is still quite a good deal, however i heard lots of US people complaining about the "high" gas prices, but they really have the luxury of low gas prices, so even when US gas prices doubles, it's still cheaper than in Western Europe.

Gas prices in the Netherlands are € 5,70 per Gallon or $ 7,70 per gallon. So in Russia and the US, gas is still quite a good deal, however i heard lots of US people complaining about the "high" gas prices, but they really have the luxury of low gas prices, so even when US gas prices doubles, it's still cheaper than in Western Europe.Seemingly yes, but what would you say if prices in Holland went up from 7,7/gal. to 15,4/gal. in period of two years? That's what has happend in USA - two years ago we paid 1,5 per gallon.
But that's not the end of story, along with rise of prices of gas, went up prices of everything - food, clothing, services - you name it, and salary stayed the same.


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http://foto-moscow.ru/img/fl327487672.jpg


the condos are quite Chinese-style.
But chinese builds dense highrises just because they has hell enormous population.

I wonder why Russian build such dull buildings while Russia has the largest area in the world.

Carryover of old Soviet building designs.

I wonder why Canadians like this old soviet design so much... :|

I wonder why Canadians like this old soviet design so much... :|
That's what my dad said when on business in Toronto. They drove down Highway 427 from the airport and he said it looked rather depressing to see the Soviet bloc design of apartments. When I saw it for myself some years later, I had to agree.

We don't like that in the USA. Our Apartments are 2-3 levels tall and have entrances on the exterior or in an interior though exposed on each side to the outside, hall. I hope in the future, Western style neighborhoods with houses become more popular in Eastern Europe and Russia as wealth grows.

We don't like that in the USA. Our Apartments are 2-3 levels tall and have entrances on the exterior or in an interior though exposed on each side to the outside, hall. I hope in the future, Western style neighborhoods with houses become more popular in Eastern Europe and Russia as wealth grows.I wouldn't say "we" for the entire USA. What you described is true for the West Coast, but on the East Coast they have their share of ugly commieblocks. Also, I would not relate wealth to the apartment design because like I said people in Russia own their apartments.

I wouldn't say "we" for the entire USA. What you described is true for the West Coast, but on the East Coast they have their share of ugly commieblocks. Also, I would not relate wealth to the apartment design because like I said people in Russia own their apartments.
Not in the South, and that's on the Eastern part of the USA. Come to Alabama and try to get away with having apartments like that. Ditto Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, and the Carolinas.

The only place you'll see apartments like that are College(yes we call University "College" here in the USA for anyone that doesn't know) Dorms or in Public Housing Projects. In both cases, they're being torn down and replaced with apartments that are more conventional like I described above.

I wonder why Canadians like this old soviet design so much... :|

These pictured aren't that bad, maybe massive, but not all detoriated grey or something...

These pictured aren't that bad, maybe massive, but not all detoriated grey or something...
Maybe because they're new. All commieblocks in Estonia looked pretty good when new, but now.....no comments! And for other guys: Parts of Eastern Europe differ greatly from each other so don't think everbody acts and does the same things all over Eastern Europe.

Seemingly yes, but what would you say if prices in Holland went up from 7,7/gal. to 15,4/gal. in period of two years? That's what has happend in USA - two years ago we paid 1,5 per gallon.
But that's not the end of story, along with rise of prices of gas, went up prices of everything - food, clothing, services - you name it, and salary stayed the same.


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We got the lovely Euro instead of our Dutch Guilder in 2002.
The value was fl 2,20 to one Euro.
where a beer in a bar used to be fl 1,75 in 2001 now we pay no less than 2 Euro.(fl 3.85 in other words 120% increase)
So we know what you are talking about

Is it true that private motor vehicle ownership was either greatly restricted or totally banned in Russia under communism? If so, I guess there would have been little need for motorways and other similar roads so have most of Russia's motorways been built since communism's demise?

Restricted? No, but it was out of the reach of most people. Usualy the price was set so that it was hard to afford and there was a long waiting list just to be able to buy a car (5-10 years). I belive that during the 1980s, there were 60 cars per 1000 people. Of course there was no demand to build large motorways, so often simple roads did the job. Right now, real motorways only exist around major cities like Moscow and St petersburg.

The only place you'll see apartments like that are College(yes we call University "College" here in the USA for anyone that doesn't know) Dorms or in Public Housing Projects.
You seem to generalise your neck of the woods to the entire USA. Been to Chicago, Detroit, or New York? Seen those ugly commieblocks? Just for your information - they are not dormitories :cheers:

P.S. We, in California, prefer to use the word "school" instead of college and university.

You seem to generalise your neck of the woods to the entire USA. Been to Chicago, Detroit, or New York? Seen those ugly commieblocks? Just for your information - they are not dormitories :cheers:

P.S. We, in California, prefer to use the word "school" instead of college and university.
That's why I said "or in Public Housing Projects." I've flown into Chicago and seen commieblocks, and I've driven through the Bronx on I-95. 'Nuff said.

I wonder why Canadians like this old soviet design so much... :|

That's only in the poor areas.

The expressways are very massive, but the geometrics and curve angles and space in the exits/onramps seem to be subpar.

But they are still very nice! I'm sure those are just from the Soviet-era, the new ones are probably much better.

But they are still very nice! I'm sure those are just from the Soviet-era, the new ones are probably much better.
The only problem is that the Russian government does not build any new long-distance motorways.

^^ I thought the M4 from Moscow via Tula to Belgorod was extended time by time.

And i heard there were plans to build a motorway to St.Petersburg too.

But funny thing is they don't seem to prioritize Moscow - Smolensk - Belarus. However, most of that road is 2+2 lanes, but no motorway.

how the road between Moscow to St. Petersburg? is it a good road?

Some M2 Moskva - Tula - Orel - Kursk - Belgorod - UA

1. Near Belgorod. Straight on for Belgorod city and Voronezh, which goes to the northeast shortly after this trumpet-shaped interchange. Go right for the Ukrainian city's of Kharkiv (Kharkov) and Sumy.
http://i11.************/6gmhswl.png

2. The Ukrainian Russian border, north of Kharkiv. Here is the Ukrainian M27 merging with the Russian M2
http://i11.************/68jl35c.png

3. The old M2 in Kursk. They build a new bypass around the city now.
http://i10.************/53erfwl.png

4. From Tula, the last 220km northward to Moscow are up to motorway standards. The M2 is quite old, and encounters severe conditions in winter times. It is extended southward from time to time.
http://i19.************/4t5087b.png

5. Some 90km south of Moscow, the M2 widens to 2x3 lanes.
http://i9.************/6hfn0he.png

Maybe they should build more tollroads in Russia, because it's a large country. In France en Spain they do build tollroads, because it's too expensive to build free roads of several hunderd kilometers. I know there will be no enterprise to build a highway in Siberia, but maybe between large cities like Moscow and Sint-Petersburg or between Moscow and the borders of some states like Ukraine, Bielrussia or a Baltic state.

Well, most intercity connections only have a couple of thousand vehicles a day outside the cities. That's way not enough to construct a motorway for.

A lot of roads near cities are already fourlaned, some also for a larger distance.

^^So the connection between Moscow and St.Petersburg has below 10 000 cars a day?

I'm not sure about that, but i saw sections of the M2 outside the motorway section and near cities have only like 2000 AADT, that's really nothing.

I'm not sure about that, but i saw sections of the M2 outside the motorway section and near cities have only like 2000 AADT, that's really nothing.

Yes, they said the same thing in Romania some 10 years ago when construction of motorways came into discussion and look where we are now...:ohno: Still it's true that the Russians had/have much more kms of 4-lane roads than we. Surely it would easier to convert them to express-roads than narrower roads, right?

Some Eastern Russia, Siberia, this is the Altai region, in Southern Siberia, not far from the Mongolian and Chinese border. The Altai mountains rise over 4000m.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Barnaul/Altai/P6260925_resize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Barnaul/Altai/P6260942_resize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Barnaul/Altai/P6260946_resize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Barnaul/Altai/P6260959_resize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Barnaul/Altai/P6260975_resize.jpg

That's what i call driving :cheers:

Construction of the first toll roads in Russia will begin as early as spring 2008. One of the first motorways built will be Moscow-St Petersburg. This road will bypass the cities through which the current road M10 passes.

Approximate route:
http://www.mk.ru/f/b/mk/42/982486/20070712_1.jpg

The initial traffic is estimated at 70 000 cars/day

St Petersburg KAD and ZSD:
http://www.spb-projects.narod.ru/kad/kad_index2.jpg

Green - completed
Blue - partially completed
http://www.spb-projects.narod.ru/kad/kad_full_tp.gif

So is that motorway between Moscow and St. Petersburg going to be a 3+3 lane road?

It will be 6-10 lanes total, so 3 by 3 to 5 by 5

It will be 6-10 lanes total, so 3 by 3 to 5 by 5

Very good, and good thinking about the future.

725km of 2x3 or more, i guess it's the longest section in Europe?

However i heard the Ukrainians are building a 1500km long motorways which is said to be 2x4 lanes all the way, but, first see, then believe ;)

I am sceptical about the Ukrainian plans - it is too high budget for them in the near future

There is another road being brought up to motorway standards and that is the M4. This road is much longer than Moscow-St Petes and it goes from Moscow to the Black Sea.

I am sceptical about the Ukrainian plans - it is too high budget for them in the near future

There is another road being brought up to motorway standards and that is the M4. This road is much longer than Moscow-St Petes and it goes from Moscow to the Black Sea.
One of the major reasons why the highway guys in the USA like to build motorways with wide grassy medians is to allow for easy upgrading in the future - just add the new lanes in the middle. Perhaps that is an idea for these areas, too.

Mike

Some Eastern Russia, Siberia, this is the Altai region, in Southern Siberia, not far from the Mongolian and Chinese border. The Altai mountains rise over 4000m.

[snip]

That's what i call driving :cheers:
Those look like 'two-laners' in the USA from the 1950s and 1960s. I agree, they would be a fun drive.

Mike

^^ That would make a lot of sense, its not like we have a shortage of space in the rural areas :)

Московская Кольцевая Автомобильная Дорога

The МКАД or the Moscow Automobile Ring Road is a circular road around the largest city of Europe; Moscow or better; Moskva.

The road is 109km long and is 2x5 lanes all the way round. It is said to be the busiest road in Europe, with over 300.000 AADT.

Some pictures.

1. The interchange with the M2 motorway.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/2199002/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

2. MKAD in the winter, near the Domededovo Airport exit.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/116952/%D0%97%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

3. MKAD in the southeast of Moscow
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/2443372/%D0%A1%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82.jpg

4. The MKAD in the forests of Moscow.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/2286046/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94%D0%BA%D0%BC-%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%83-%D0%92%D1%8B%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE-mkad-vykhino-side.jpg

5. The MKAD on the east side of Moscow.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/849514/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

6. On the northeastern side.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/2528480/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

7. MKAD on the Northern Side.
http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/2688251/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

8. MKAD, not far from the A104 exit.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/1996690/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82-%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7-%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

9. MKAD on the northwestern side of Moscow
http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/393291/mkad-ring-road-near.jpg

10. MKAD near the M9 exit.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/2751916/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94-%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%81-%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B4.jpg

11. The A105 exit on the West Side of Moscow.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/1346116/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94-%D0%A0%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5.jpg

12. Near the M3 exit.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/862538/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5-%D1%88%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B5.jpg

13. Southwest side.
http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/133173/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94.jpg

14. Sunset at southern MKAD
http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/1019317/sunset-mkad.jpg

M4 Don (in red) will be upgraded to full motorway standard with 2, sometimes 3 lanes in each direction.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/M4_karte_gross1.jpg/800px-M4_karte_gross1.jpg

Loooong road :cheers:

info:

M4 “Don” highway sections.

M4 “Don” federal highway (Moscow – Voronezh – Rostov-on-Don - Novorossiysk) is a major route connecting the Russian capital and the Central Federal District with the southern part of Russia, North Caucasus regions, the Black Sea and the sea of Azov seaports; besides, it provides an access to Transcaucasian and Middle East countries.

At the length of “Don” highway from Moscow to Kashira presently there exists a toll section bypassing Hlevnoe village. Building a section of 10.8 km bypassing Danshino village would create a 1st category bypassing road around Zadonsk, Danshino and Hlevnoe villages with total length of 71 km.

Moscow - Saint-Petersburg speedway project.

New Moscow – Saint-Petersburg speedway is the largest and the most important national project. The speedway crosses the territory of industrially developed regions populated by approximately 25 million people (18% of the population of the country).

The length of the route from Moscow encircling highway to Saint-Petersburg encircling highway is about 650 km. Width of the carriageway is 10 traffic lanes at the border of Moscow, 8 lanes on the territory of Leningrad and Moscow regions and 6 lanes on the territory of Tver and Novgorod regions. All the highway’s proportions are calculated taking into account that the rate of movement will make 150 km/h.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/M10_karte_gross.jpg/800px-M10_karte_gross.jpg

1445km or 900 miles for the Don motorway.

Moscow Outer Ring Road Project

Central encircling highway in Moscow region.

Moscow region road network development concept is concentrated on reconstruction and modernization of the existing roads. Existing projects include building of an encircling highway in Moscow region. The planned length of the highway is 442.7 km. The new encircling highway will be built in accordance with the 1 and 2 category roads standards; it will bypass large cities and will have road interchanges at various levels. The purpose of the highway is to “catch” transit motor transport, to relieve head sections of federal roads entering Moscow, and to develop radial highway connections of the region.

road in blue :)
http://www.realestate.ru/Files/Images/Gallery/CKAD.jpg

Saint Petersburg Ring Motorway project.

Whole project in red. Black motorway is another project running through the city.

http://spb-projects.narod.ru/kad/kad_index2.jpg

pics:

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/newsimages/IMG0WBli2.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/newsimages/IMGmvglha.jpg

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/newsimages/IMGrnY1Zk.jpg

more pics here
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/shownewsn.php?id=5493

That moskovian superring road, it say it will be a Chkad or Tskad, where does that stand for?

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A6%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%94

Russian wikipedia has an article about it.

Центральная кольцевая автомобильная дорога

Central'naja Kol'chevaja Avtomobil'naja Doroga.

Construction should start in 2011.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C4

Russian wikipedia about the M4.

I don't like Russian highways, look those ads in the central light poles, and in some parts its filled with ads to the side of the road.

Old lighting.
Also some don't met highway standards at all.

Those advertising is seen in a lot of eastern European countries, like Czechia, Ukraine, Poland etc. I think it´s their way of capitalism.

In the Netherlands, such huge ad signs are prohibited because of horizon pollution.

Those advertising is seen in a lot of eastern European countries, like Czechia, Ukraine, Poland etc. I think it´s their way of capitalism.

In the Netherlands, such huge ad signs are prohibited because of horizon pollution.
In Estonia, all advertisements are like at least 20m away from highways so there probably is a law against putting them really close to roads.

^^ Yeah, a friend of my visited Latvia and Lithuania, and she said she didn't saw those huge billboards like in Poland. Maybe the Baltic countries have other rules for advertising.

Another nice piece of road in Moscow, is the 3rd transport ring. Located around the Moscow city centre, it's 35 kilometer long, and contains the 4th longest urban tunnel in Europe, the Lefortovo tunnel with a 2,2 km length.

This 3rd ringroad is partially up to expressway standards, but some pieces are just a very wide boulevard, sometimes up to 12 lanes in total. This ringroad can be very congested during the day. Not so weird since Moscow has over 10 million inhabitants and very few expressways for it's city size.

1. The ringroad dives under a large square. The road has 2x4 lanes.
http://i8.************/548v5ll.png

2. The ringroad at night.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/774634/circular-transport-highway.jpg

3. At daytime.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/2723880/andreevsky-road-railway-bridge.jpg

4. The interchange with the Kuznetsovsky highway (from left to right), this avenue is 12 lanes wide.
http://i3.************/6arhevm.jpg

5. A bridge on the ringroad during wintertime.
http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/2133981/%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%87%D1%8C%D1%8E.jpg

6. Traffic jam on the 3rd ringroad in winter.
http://static4.bareka.com/photos/medium/1308835/traffic-third-ring-moscow.jpg

7. Interchange. The 3rd ringroad goes on the lowest level.
http://static3.bareka.com/photos/medium/1337350/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0.jpg

8. 10 lanes of traffic, 5 lanes moving slow...
http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/2278433/night-bridge-sushevsky.jpg

9. The entrance to the Lefortevo tunnel.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/1522048/%D0%9E%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%9B%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8F.jpg

10. On an overpass.
http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/1051781/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%86%D0%BE.jpg

http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/2723880/andreevsky-road-railway-bridge.jpg


Wow, thats amazing :okay:

9. The entrance to the Lefortevo tunnel.
http://static1.bareka.com/photos/medium/1522048/%D0%9E%D1%82%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%9B%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8F.jpg


...better known as this :nuts:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6fLW3OiH8OQ

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/template_0.htm/ - photo gallery of russian roads

I can't see them!:cry: They appear as broken links!

интерессно дороги в россий....хорошо...

''Interesso dorogi v rossiji....'' What you mean ??

Interesting Russian roads i guess. But this is an international forum, so it would be nice if we stick to English as much as possible.

Strictly speaking, his statement means "Interesting, roads in Russia... good...". I'm not sure what he meant by this, but the way this statement can be understood is surprise at the existence of roads in Russia :) While the comma does not exist in his statement, the grammatical inflection of the word "interesting" (interessno) does not refer to "roads" directly, and in fact means "(it) is interesting".

интерессно дороги в россий....хорошо...
The whole sentence just doesn't make sense. Especially, considering that the author is supposedly from Russia himself.

P.S. TheCat, you've got to be a philologist, dude, not an electrical engineer :D

Maybe it's Tatar or something?

Are you joking? A Tatar living in Russia would speak perfect Russian language.

P.S. Never mind, it seems like the dude left Russia (the city of Omsk) when he was too young to learn the proper language. Shame on his parents :lol:

Maybe it's a phrase or expression characterisitic for this dialect or slang in russian language. I don't know. I can only guess what is written because it's similar to polish but not guess the exact meaning

Maybe we should send him a PM and ask how it was meant.:)

P.S. TheCat, you've got to be a philologist, dude, not an electrical engineer :D

It's a hobby :)

Come on, guys. Russian is my native language, and I am pretty confident that his sentence doesn't make sense. He meant to say "Interesting roads in Russia... Good...", but he couldn't put in good words.

nice pics. first time to see russia highway

Come on, guys. Russian is my native language, and I am pretty confident that his sentence doesn't make sense. He meant to say "Interesting roads in Russia... Good...", but he couldn't put in good words.

Well, if we are being precise, then you are right. "в россий" - this is incorrect already :)

Nice roads, you could join the rest of us in EU soon, but not until you're properly democratic. Still a dictatorship. Sorry xx .. I love Russia.

Are there any plans to buil exit lanes to MKAD? Junctions seem to be very unsafe without them.

is all sign in russia written in russian ??
how a foreigner can read a direction ???

On european routes all signs are dubed in latin.

very nice roads...not as western countries but they are good enough.. imean in general..
those in moscow are very good

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/doc/fotogalery/template_0.htm/ - photo gallery of russian roads


I have seen this gallery before, and the photos are very interesting. However, there are no captions which would give someone a location for the photos, nor any link to, say, Google Earth.

The only place you'll see apartments like that are College(yes we call University "College" here in the USA for anyone that doesn't know) Dorms or in Public Housing Projects. In both cases, they're being torn down and replaced with apartments that are more conventional like I described above.

I find this very difficult to believe. What you're saying is that there are no apartment buildings in American cities, only townhouses. Clearly that is not the case.

I find this very difficult to believe. What you're saying is that there are no apartment buildings in American cities, only townhouses. Clearly that is not the case.
Here's what we classify as Apartments in the vast majority of the USA:

http://www.mississippiapartmentguide.com/PropertyImages/PropertyID90381Image109149.jpg
http://www.webster.edu/studlife/reslife/images/apartments.jpg
http://ezlivingapartments.com/graphics/1%20Peoria%20Knoxville%20exterior.JPG
http://www.aptselector.com/lubbock/images/lubb-0.jpg
http://www.lubbockapartments.com/search_directory/communities/lubbock_lakeway_apartments/photos/big_1.jpg
http://images.apartments.com/propimages/140545/002/BL010164.JPG

^^ Ahm these are very low density apartments, if you ask me. I've been to NYC, and they had much larger, plain-looking apartment buildings. In Toronto we have lots of high density apartment buildings that are actually similar to those Russian ones in many ways, although still not the same.

One important difference is that in Russia buildings do not have their own heating systems, but rather use hot water that is brought in pipes from a central steam plant. This system has many problems, as pipes sometimes freeze in the winter.

^^ Ahm these are very low density apartments, if you ask me. I've been to NYC, and they had much larger, plain-looking apartment buildings. In Toronto we have lots of high density apartment buildings that are actually similar to those Russian ones in many ways, although still not the same.

One important difference is that in Russia buildings do not have their own heating systems, but rather use hot water that is brought in pipes from a central steam plant. This system has many problems, as pipes sometimes freeze in the winter.
This is why I said "Here's what we classify as Apartments in the vast majority of the USA"

These apartments are typical of what you'd see in cities like Peoria, Lubbock, Jackson, and elsewhere in the USA. 2-3 stories tall and all rented out.

EDIT: What I showed are apartments. What you're describing are Commie Blocks(yes even in Toronto and NYC, they all looked like something out of the former Soviet Union)

They do look like that, but are referred to as apartments. Anything for rent here is referred to by this term (as opposed to condos). Never really heard the term Commie Blocks being used to describe the buildings here. I only heard this term in the context of ex-USSR.

EDIT: By the way, those buildings you showed look really nice to live in. Some of them look like expensive townhouses in Toronto. If I rented, I'd love to live in something like these :)

They do look like that, but are referred to as apartments. Anything for rent here is referred to by this term (as opposed to condos). Never really heard the term Commie Blocks being used to describe the buildings here. I only heard this term in the context of ex-USSR.
So you admit that you don't have apartments like the majority of the USA(and Canada) around you? Frankly I prefer those "standard" apartments that I posted.

So you admit that you don't have apartments like the majority of the USA(and Canada) around you? Frankly I prefer those "standard" apartments that I posted.

Well, I don't know what they look like in the majority of the USA and Canada. I assumed most large cities look similar in North America. In Toronto almost all apartment buildings look like Commie Blocks (I used to live in one as well). Technically, such Commie Blocks are the only way to support the high density of large cities, in my opinion, even though I agree that they look like crap.

I do prefer those apartments that you posted, as I mentioned in my edit.

Well, I don't know what they look like in the majority of the USA and Canada. I assumed most large cities look similar in North America. In Toronto almost all apartment buildings look like Commie Blocks (I used to live in one as well). Technically, such Commie Blocks are the only way to support the high density of large cities, in my opinion, even though I agree that they look like crap.

I do prefer those apartments that you posted, as I mentioned in my edit.
This is true; most extremely large metros have the tall bland apartment blocks you describe, but even in large Metro areas like Nashville, Atlanta, Louisville, Memphis, and Charlotte, those apartments I showed above are the norm. And they aren't expensive at all, that's the big draw.

These apartments are typical of what you'd see in cities like Peoria, Lubbock, Jackson, and elsewhere in the USA. 2-3 stories tall and all rented out.


These are not metropolitan areas where the majority if Americans live. Cities like Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles will all have high-rise apartments. The lower density apartment/townhouse projects you illustrate will also be present, but would tend to be either in more suburban areas, or else, very high priced. The Greater Vancouver planning types have a generic term to cover the types of buildings your photographs showed. The call it "ground-oriented", a nice sort of phrase that really means nothing over three floors and almost certainly wood frame as opposed to reinforced concrete.

These are not metropolitan areas where the majority if Americans live. Cities like Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles will all have high-rise apartments. The lower density apartment/townhouse projects you illustrate will also be present, but would tend to be either in more suburban areas, or else, very high priced. The Greater Vancouver planning types have a generic term to cover the types of buildings your photographs showed. The call it "ground-oriented", a nice sort of phrase that really means nothing over three floors and almost certainly wood frame as opposed to reinforced concrete.
Please see post #107 that I made on this thread.

http://www.urbanlandscape.org.uk/bflowers/megastructure/beeflowers02.jpg

http://www.urbanlandscape.org.uk/bflowers/megastructure/beeflowers03.jpg

Maybe like that...

Are any plans of construction motorway from Moscow to Sankt Petersburg ? I think it's now road M10

Yep, there are plans for such a connection.

http://www.roads.ru/

Russian site about roads.

Haven't read it yet.

Is there english version ? I can read only single words in russian...

They have a forum

http://www.roads.ru/forum/

But it doesn't look too active... :(

SSC is really active :D

Russian bridge/tunnel projects sets standards

Europe’s highest cable suspension bridge is now open, forming part of a new link into Russia’s capital Moscow. The bridge forms part of a new 7km link with Moscow’s ring road. The Zhivopisny cable suspension footbridge across the Moskva River stands 105m tall making it the highest of its kind in Europe. The bridge is the most visually apparent part of this project. However, perhaps the most innovative part of the project is underground. The newly opened road section starts near the Novorizhskoye Shosse, Moscow’s ring road interchange, which is currently under reconstruction. It then passes through a set of tunnels under the Serebryany Bor forest area and, after crossing the Moskva River, approaches Prospekt Marshala Zhukova, which is also currently undergoing reconstruction. From there, the road leads on to the Garden Ring near Sadovo-Kudrinskaya Square, providing a link between Novaya Riga and Moscow city centre.

The design includes an innovative two-level tunnel structure which was used in the construction of the northwest tunnels. This is innovative as it combines a road and an underground railway within a single space. The two main transport tunnels are each 14m in diameter and divided into three tiers, with an upper level designed to remove exhaust fumes, a middle level for three lanes of car traffic and a lower level for one track of the Strogino metro line. The construction includes a 6m wide service tunnel, situated between the two main tunnels, designed to facilitate evacuation in the event of an emergency and to house cable, ventilation channels and other utilities.

Construction of the new section of road began in 2004. The construction project was managed by PSO Sistema-Hals, a subsidiary of Sistema-Hals. The suspension bridge is 1,460m long, includes a 409.5m section suspended by 72 individual cables from a supporting pylon 30m above the water. The rigid metallic arch of the pylon, which is at 90º to the road on fixed supports mounted in the water, stands 105m above the river.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Jivopisn_bridge-0607.JPG

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/1830786.jpg

^^ I really like this bridge.
You can find lots of pics of the finished bridge in this tread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=381485&page=5).

Some Eastern Russia, Siberia, this is the Altai region, in Southern Siberia, not far from the Mongolian and Chinese border. The Altai mountains rise over 4000m.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v350/Barnaul/Altai/P6260925_resize.jpg


Did you take these pictures yourself, or where did you find them?

Look similar to roads around here (in BC, Canada... with some having a highway standard of the 1970's and earlier).

I would wish i have taken them myself :D

No i found them elsewhere on SSC a long time ago.

Construction of Okhtinsky bridge across Neva river at the ringbelt around St. Petersburg:

http://photopolygon.com/photo/fit/806.700

nice picture, i like the house :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/M10_karte_gross.jpg/800px-M10_karte_gross.jpg

Are the blue lines important routes or highways?

highways, but not motorways. All of them except the Kolyma are paved, if i recall correctly.

i'm not sure for Amur that is paved completely

It has been paved recently, according to some posts in this forum.

Not yet I think

It has been paved recently, according to some posts in this forum.

The M56 (Lena) has been paved since that incident, I think.

Since what incedent?

The M56 (Lena) has been paved since that incident, I think.
You are probably refering to the pictures posted by moscow times? I seriously doubt that it has been paved, the road is just too remote :( However, I remember reading that the trans-Siberian (Amur) will be fully paved by end of 2009

Construction of Okhtinsky bridge across Neva river at the ringbelt around St. Petersburg:

http://photopolygon.com/photo/fit/806.700

This picture is purely symbollic

^^ That is exactly what I thought

Exactly... in one place super modern constructions... in place next to it, an old wooden house...

Exactly... in one place super modern constructions... in place next to it, an old wooden house...

Reminds me of the end of the movie "Brazil."

^isn't that bridge already finished ???

You are probably refering to the pictures posted by moscow times? I seriously doubt that it has been paved, the road is just too remote :(

Oh, I have no idea, someone here said so, that's all I know.

^isn't that bridge already finished ???

Yes it is, althow the whole project is far from completing.

Those advertising is seen in a lot of eastern European countries, like Czechia, Ukraine, Poland etc. I think it´s their way of capitalism.

In the Netherlands, such huge ad signs are prohibited because of horizon pollution.

I think when the Soviet Union fell, former Eastern Bloc countries embraced what they thought was capitalism; pure, unbridled, and unregulated. What's a symbol of that capitalism? Billboards. (Or, as they call them in the UK, hoardings.)

Little did they know that cities and towns in the United States (at least the northern, midwestern and western states) and Canada have been working to alleviate sign clutter, and ban and remove billboards. They've been recognizing that visual pollution is as much a blight as air, water and noise pollution.

As for the southeastern states and Texas ... they LOVE their billboards and tall signs. One man's trash is another's treasure, I guess.

This is pictures of federal highway Lena m-56. This is the only highway that connects Yakutia.

http://basik.ru/images/3172/short.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/1.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/2.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/3.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/4.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/5.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/6.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/7.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/8.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/9.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/10.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/11.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/12.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/13.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/14.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/15.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/16.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/17.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/18.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/19.jpg

^^ Old but still good :D

Yeah, those are ancient :D

I think prefer the Polish A18 over this Russian road :D

^^ It goes without saying :D

Do they have any plans for repaving ? It seems like they should upgrade it to 2X2 standard :D

This is pictures of federal highway Lena m-56. This is the only highway that connects Yakutia.

http://basik.ru/images/3172/short.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/1.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/2.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/3.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/4.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/5.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/6.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/7.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/8.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/9.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/10.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/11.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/12.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/13.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/14.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/15.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/16.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/17.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/18.jpg

http://basik.ru/images/3172/19.jpg



lmfao... wow I'm speechless.

Do they have any plans for repaving ? It seems like they should upgrade it to 2X2 standard :D
Its not economical, the road is too remote and its meant to be used only in winter - i.e. the road was closed and those people shouldnt have been there :)

But still they choose this road :D

is this highway above under construction ??

^^ Its one of the most remote roads in the world and something that is known as a winter road. In winter (in those parts, thats most of the year :)) the road freezes solid and is good to drive on, but as can be seen on the pics above, it can be risky to take the journey in the summer. I believe these roads normally should get closed in such rainy conditions

I heard this kind of roads only turn into mud a few weeks or months a year, in other times, the ground is just frozen (semi-permafrost), so people can drive on it.

^^ Exactly

As you can see on the photo below, when frozen solid (most of the year), the road is good to drive on even for big trucks]

http://basik.ru/images/3172/14.jpg

I never get tired of these pictures. :D Where were all these people going, if this road is so remote? Is this part of it near Yakutsk or some other town perhaps?

Well ok, if this road is closed so do they have any alternative to this road ? I suppose they can take a plane, but what about freight traffic ?

^^ Yakutsk is located on a truly massive river called Lena, river barges is a great transport for freight traffic. Railroad doesnt go all the way to Yakutsk (although it will be built) but there are plenty of raiload access up the Lena river

Do they have any plans for repaving ? It seems like they should upgrade it to 2X2 standard :D

Yes, they do. In fact this mud banking is a first stage of construction. The road is to be paved completely by 2010. Also there is a long story about the bridge across Lena river. Actually this pretty freeway runs at one bank of 4-km wide river, and Yakutsk city is situated at the other. They drive about 300 km at this road and then use a ferry to get the city. The bridge is sheduled to be built by 2014.

That's true that this road and the bridge had to be built al least 30 years ago. But ten years ago there wasn't any road at all - even this one. And, at the other hand, the road isn't that terrible all tha time; that pics were shot at one place in two or three days. There was a terrible rain which washed away all the banking.

But ten years ago there wasn't any road at all - even this one.

My old maps show it, and they are from 70's/80's.

Hey, Verso, would you mind editing your location? If you moved to a new exotic location, then never mind :D

I suppose it is Wales...

^^It is Wales. It is the longest European name for a town/city. Be happy he didn't take the original name of Bangkok:
Krungthepmahanakonbowornratanakosinmahintarayudyayamahadiloponoparatanarajthaniburiromudomrajniwesmahasatarnamornpimarnavatarsatitsakattiyavisanukamphrasit.

As far as he does not move there... :lol:

^^He would at least be able to make some nice pics of Thai highways :D

My old maps show it, and they are from 70's/80's.

Afaik before present road there was so called 'zimnik' - winter road.

^^ But what's the difference then between that screwed up road on the pics and 'zimnik'?

Hey, Verso, would you mind editing your location? If you moved to a new exotic location, then never mind :DI was thinking of a few-day torturing. :D

Be happy he didn't take the original name of Bangkok:
Krungthepmahanakonbowornratanakosinmahintarayudyayamahadiloponoparatanarajthaniburiromudomrajniwesmahasatarnamornpimarnavatarsatitsakattiyavisanukamphrasit.Right, now that's an idea! :colgate: But I don't think entering such a long name is possible. :P There are always limits to sth; for example, you're way exaggerating, whereas my location is perfectly fine. :D

^^ But what's the difference then between that screwed up road on the pics and 'zimnik'?

Zimnik is a road which can be used only in winter period, when ground is frozen. Actually zimnik is just a cart road running for hundreds km:

http://www.sever66.ru/photo/1488.jpg

Here we have a normal banking with all stuff completed - like bridges, sag pipes, drainage and so on. There is no paving so far, that's true.

As I said, that situation was an accident: unprecedent rain washed away the banking for several km. Usually this road is passable even for heavy trucks.

I see now, thanks. :)

Few questions about former Reichsautobahn Elbing - Königsburg, russian part:


When is it going to be finished?
Will it be 1x2 or 2x2?
Will it have grade separated interchanges or not?
Do You have any pictures of it?

M1 in Moscow;

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/985/15714443sd2.jpg

(winning picture of the UPC)

^^ Isn't this TTK?

TTK? It's signed as M1 as seen on the signage above the road.

I think M1 is destination, it's signed as TTK (3-e КОЛЬЦО).

TTK means third ringroad or something?

Yes, Tretye Transportnoe Kol'tso (or sth like that, this is mixed with Slovenian :D), Third Transport Ring. I'm sure you know it, it's shorter than MKAD and not yet completely finished, I think. Also, as we can see on the photo, I doubt you'd have to turn right from M1 for MKAD and the center of Moscow. A road such as M1 can only lead directly into the city-center and to MKAD.

I know the road, i have checked it once on Google Earth. Maybe the signage only gives directions to the M1, and apparantly, this is not the M1 yet.

This is bridge over Moskva (Moscow) River on TTK and interchange between TTK and Komsomolskiy Prospekt / Vernadskogo Prospekt southwest of the city-center, somewhere between M1 and M3.

M1 in Moscow;

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/985/15714443sd2.jpg

(winning picture of the UPC)

WOW! Now this is what I call a GOOD highway in Russia, even though looks a bit packed!
Thanks for posting! I like it a lot!:)

^^ Look at that skyline :):):):):)

Big Obukhovsky Bridge in St Petersburg

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/24/stbibikov.5/0_c082_6e1da0d5_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/23/stbibikov.4/0_b9df_be9f34be_orig
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/18/stbibikov.5/0_c07e_8b549a4d_orig
Photos by Fenol

So ringroad of St. Petersburg will have motorway standard as we can see green signs ^^

M1 in Moscow;

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/985/15714443sd2.jpg

(winning picture of the UPC)

Nice looking highway! Although i don't like the double light poles, they don't look very efficient.

So ringroad of St. Petersburg will have motorway standard as we can see green signs ^^

It sure will

http://www.megajournal.ru/journal/users_data/1173/msg_files/23474/26082006.jpg

More pics of Big Obukhovsky Bridge. All photos by Fenol:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/23/stbibikov.5/0_c081_b94a1c2f_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/23/stbibikov.5/0_c080_ca42bfc9_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/16/stbibikov.5/0_c07f_70ea3355_orig

^^ Are motorway signs in Russia green or white?

^^Impressive bridge! :cheers:

Yeah, the bridge is very beautiful!..but they need to fix some projectors there..probably when out or they dont want to waste a lot of electricity..only on one side in on...but still thanks for posting!:)

^^ Are motorway signs in Russia green or white?

Green. The MKAD signs are white because it is within city limits or something like that.

^^ Is it?

Yes. Officially MKAD is a city road.

The KAD (beltway of St. Petersburg) is also impressive, 8 lanes all the way. It will be 115,3km long.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/1965584.jpg

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/2431885.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Saint_Petersburg_Ring_Road.PNG/650px-Saint_Petersburg_Ring_Road.PNG

I am very intrested about bridges near Kronshtad (sorry if spellt wrong) There is one already.

Yes. Officially MKAD is a city road.

A city expressway actually.

do you have a mapy of existing highways in Russia?

Construction of Okhtinsky bridge across Neva river at the ringbelt around St. Petersburg:

http://photopolygon.com/photo/fit/806.700

I wonder what compensation the people in that house have been offered for loss of amenity. Progress always has its dark side.

Anyone have pics of moscows MKAD?

Plenty of them in the Russian (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=506826) thread.

Yep

http://www.aktuell.ru/russland/news/rund_um_moskau_entstehen_maut-autobahnen_22357.html

source in German.

New tollroads around Moscow. Including a bypass for Minsk Shosse and a toll road to St. Petersburg. They start with the great beltway around Moscow in 2010, the ZKAD will be 500 kilometers in length, dwarfing the current longest beltway; the A10 around Berlin. Toll will be about € 0,1 per km.

Layout of future roads at Sheremetyevo area. New Moscow-SPB tollroad passes along SVO terminals

http://i053.radikal.ru/0806/ff/621097ac1aebt.jpg (http://i053.radikal.ru/0806/ff/621097ac1aeb.jpg)

Some interchanges at new Moscow ring (4 ring).

with Otkrytoe highway (3 levs):
http://www.transmost.ru/pictures/projects/photo_70.jpg

with Schelkovskoe highway (4 levs):
http://kloun.1gb.ru/roads/4tk/4tk_Sch_0704_MK.jpg

with Entuziastov highway (3 levs):
http://kloun.1gb.ru/roads/4tk/1-1/4TK_1-1_0704_MK.jpg

http://kloun.1gb.ru/roads/4tk/1-1/4TK_1-1_0710_Zod.jpg

Section from Entuziastov (north) to Ryazansky avenue (south) - clickable:

http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/map_small.jpg (http://sturman.ometro.net/journ/ssc/map.jpg)

between deep tonnel (red) and new bridge in Nagatino:
http://autoserver.ru/_files/uphoto/news_688/30166_img.gif

http://autoserver.ru/_files/news/photo_688_ph.jpg

Interchange with Krasnopresnensky avenue (u/c):
http://www.roads.ru/kp/img/kp-naropol.gif

New 4-level underground interchange at Leninrgadsky avenue (Moscow):
http://kloun.1gb.ru/roads/BL/BL_Sokol_small.jpg

http://i031.radikal.ru/0710/ab/fa46c9ba6985.jpg

http://i029.radikal.ru/0710/d5/87cf28957249.jpg

http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/82672.gif?0.861685144339816

march 2008:
http://i024.radikal.ru/0803/a9/87cc27734738.jpg

may 2008:
http://i005.radikal.ru/0805/53/1ec3c1227cb2.jpg

july 2008:
http://i008.radikal.ru/0807/d7/566b90d713e5.jpg

september 2008:
http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0809/97/040056817b47.jpg

WoooW amazing!!!

Nice!

Does anyone here know what is happening with the former Reichsautobahn from Kaliningrad to Polish border cause like few days before we finished our section

500 km :omg: that's big! Nice pics anyway.

Does anyone here know what is happening with the former Reichsautobahn from Kaliningrad to Polish border cause like few days before we finished our section

It has been reconstructed too and AFAIK may be already complete.

^^
There are good high-resolution images of that road on Google Earth, although I'm not sure how recent that are.

Also, what are the upgrade plans for it in the Kaliningrad area and possibly beyond?

Mike

well, they'r connecting that Reichsautobahn with a beltway around Kaliningrad. That's all for now AFAIK.

^^
There are good high-resolution images of that road on Google Earth, although I'm not sure how recent that are.

On Polish side they are from 2002 (and some from April 2007) and on Russian side (closer to Kaliningrad) they are mostly from April 2007. Looks like reconstruction is happening on both sides.

(with newest version of Google Earth you can now see the date of hi-res picture taken)

Are they planning on doing something with this? (location: Eastern Beltway, Kaliningrad)
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/4897624.jpg

They can hold ski jumping matches over there :D

^^ :omg:

why this bridge is destroyed? maybe those are remains after WWII? :nuts:

Yes, they are.

It could be good class road if bridge wouls not be dismantled

They could double the present road (don't know AADT, so I don't know if it's necessary), it seems there is another destroyed bridge a bit further down the road (right side of pic)

Didn't the Germans scuttle that bridge during their retreat?

I also wonder why the Russians haven't removed the wreckage and rebuilt that side of the crossing (or are they soon going to get at that?).

Mike

Didn't the Germans scuttle that bridge during their retreat?

I also wonder why the Russians haven't removed the wreckage and rebuilt that side of the crossing (or are they soon going to get at that?).

Mike

There was no Marshall Plan for Russia so it's not surprising.

There was no Marshall Plan for Russia so it's not surprising.


^^

Poland couldn't participate in Marshall Plan but I can't remind myself any wreckage like this in my coutry. I think it is rather inefficiency of system and people's layzines.

Looks really cool tough... =)

^^

Poland couldn't participate in Marshall Plan but I can't remind myself any wreckage like this in my coutry.

And how old are You? ;)

I search some pictures of the streets in Oblast Kaliningrad.
Especially the A194 and A195 from the polish border and the streets in the city of Kaliningrad.

And by the way:
Is there any plan of reconstructing the old Berlinka?
The polish side was reconstructed as 22 or S22.
There is a new modern border but there you can´t pass because the russian road isn´t built so far.:ohno:

New build roards:

Yaroslavl

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/most_iaros_1_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/most_iaros_2_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/most_iaros_4_b.jpg

South Russia & Rostov.

http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/volga_1_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/volga_2_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/volga_3_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/volga_5_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/volga_7_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/volga_8_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_2_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_3_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_4_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_5_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_8_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_10_b.jpg
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/ural_4_b.jpg

Looking good! Which is this road? :)
http://www.rosavtodor.ru/fotogalery2/sev_kav_2_b.jpg

Somewhere in the Caucasus or Altai I guess.

Nice new roads in Russia. Some of these new roads remind me of the new Polish S-roads.

^^ I doubt the have every interchange with flyovers.

That road is in the Caucasus. Nice roads. :)

I doubt the have every interchange with flyovers.
Mostly with major roads.

Traffic volumes in rural Russia also doesn't necessarily needs grade-separated interchanges for every country road. I don't know if Russian rural volumes are the same as in Ukraine, but I've read most Ukrainian roads have only like 2.000 - 10.000 vehicles a day outside urban areas. I think 2x2 is already quite a luxury then.