Guys having read about the fact that the Sharks and Province "may" take up residence in the 2010 stadiums after 2010, i wonder what about the other stadiums and if in order to make sure say the sharks are happy there, that the sharks ops teams are actually involved in the planning and facilities etc of the stadium based on the years of operating and running rugby tests and events in Durban.

Surely the client paying for the stadium would not be that short sighted as to not make use of the massive knowlage base and not soley rely on a german architects vision of how things are run there etc.

In order for these stadiums to have a good life after 2010 the following needs to be incorportaed and addressed to make them have a soul and feekl like a home to teams such as the sharks instead of a temple to a german designer.

King Senz issues-
if this is the sharks new home it will have to cater to 8 months of rugby with sharks, natal , wilberbeste ,U19, U21 , Sharks acadamy and Natal schools using facilities,
1 test a year
at least 2 concerts a year
big soccer matches (amount to be determined by co-tennat)

NRU headoffice

on top of that there needs to be many bars and toilets (Suncorp stadium in Brissie is the best I have ever been to as far as this is concerned).

Corporate boxes (over 200in KP) and this generates massive revenue for the union.

As you can see there are loads of "Rugby" issues that are unique to this sort of game and the way its run etc

Now for stadiums you have Durban Kindg Senz-Sharks demolish KP stadium
CT Stadium-Province demolish old newlands stadium
PE- EP rugby?? demolish old boet errasmus stadium
What of the others????

Here what you saying mate, you cant custom build a soccer stadium & force a rugby franchise to occupy it after the WC, it just aint kosher, in order for the Sharks & NRU to move into Moses, they would have to have a say in certain aspects of the design. Now there are a few major draw backs in the new stadium that will affect the Sharks:

1.The lack of private suites for the supporter's, currently Im not sure how many the new stadium has, but ABSA stadium has quite few & long serving tenants as well.

2. The running track will make the fans seating much futher from the game, at ABSA, the fans are used to close up action, even with upper tiers, the gradients are much steeper to give the spectator the feel that they are much closer to the field than they actually are ( I know, I sat virtualy on every stand in the stadium)


Those are just some of the issues they will face, they are plenty of others.

With regards to the other stadiums, it wont be hard to find tenants, but whether or not the teams will want to occupy the venue will be another case.

There will definitely be issues surrounding all of the world cup stadia.

I have not been able to see the tenders for the private operation of the green point stadium but I have heard that the City might request that two operators merge. One the one hand, Investec and WP rugby, to ensure that the venue is used for rugby and managed well in terms of the finances.

On the other hand, a group of companies forming a second bid would need to bring major concerts and events to the stadium, basically replacing the velodrome as the main concert venue. This second bid would also need to ensure that the podium is used well in terms of space allocated to sports activites, restaurants etc...

Either way there wont be any shortage of demand for offfice/conference space on the third tier of the stadium which has panoramic views of table mountain, the waterfront, robben island, ocean sea point etc etc.

I can't say im ecstatic to see Newlands go, but it lacks the potential to move the city ahead in terms of the future.

The new stadium would save Western Problems financially(even on the field if we lucky), and ensure the sustainability of the stadium.

Perhaps a win-win if the operator is successful in generating the income to maintain the stadium, and urban park.

any news on the other stadiums like soccer city? nelspruit? PE? etc

any news on the other stadiums like soccer city? nelspruit? PE? etc

not really, PE stadium will removed 10,000 seats but prob be city owned, rugby will prob move into the stadium

Soccer city will become the country's national soccer stadium ala "wembley", .
Where by Bafana will play home games there & finals for major cup competitions will be played there as well.

at least durban Cape Town and to a lesse extent PE will have a rugby team based there which we allow usage of the stadium regularly but what about Nelspriut?

where did this thread go?

the smaller stadiums will struggle alot and i dont think most of them will live fruitful lives after 2010

even Durban and CT will strucgglke to make ends meet as even if the sharks and provice lease the grounds for their unions, they will have to share with a soccer club(co branding now an issue), will have to have some concerts a year but lets say it gets used 40days a year, there is still alot of down time and these stadiums are going to cost a shit load to maintain and operate.

The Homebush stadium in Sydney really balttles to have a post olympic life despite being in a sports mad city (AFL,cricket, leage and union) all played there as well as some massive concerts (hamebake etc)so these cathedrals will really take strain on someones pocket- THE TAXPAYER for years to come

well if Sharks are moving here then Im sure Thanda Royals will make this their home as well

even Durban and CT will strucgglke to make ends meet as even if the sharks and provice lease the grounds for their unions, they will have to share with a soccer club(co branding now an issue), will have to have some concerts a year but lets say it gets used 40days a year, there is still alot of down time and these stadiums are going to cost a shit load to maintain and operate.

The Homebush stadium in Sydney really balttles to have a post olympic life despite being in a sports mad city (AFL,cricket, leage and union) all played there as well as some massive concerts (hamebake etc)so these cathedrals will really take strain on someones pocket- THE TAXPAYER for years to come

True. We can't be too optimistic about the future of a newly built stadium regardless of its location. I think the City of Cape Town realizes this and requires the successful private operator to provide an in depth business plan for the stadium for the next 25-30 years, and prove that they will be able to produce the income to maintain the urban park and stadium.

Being pro-active has to be the first step. A private operator with a marketing budget and the "pull" to attract events is very important. This removes the risk of having to use taxpayers money to maintain the park and stadium.

I hope Durban follows the private operator route...and soon.

As GMP(the architects) have said. Essentially, Durban and Cape Town are getting world class stadia for free.

What, besides picking up litter after each event and mowing the grass, does one have to do to maintain a stadium?

for example Stadium australia has an annual budget of like $45million, staff full time ranging from engineers, claners , groundsmen etc preventative manitenence budget (painting every 5 years every surface, annual maintenece and inspections of all electromechanical items such as lifts, escelators , A/C units, all fire and life saftey equipment to be checked and certified every 6 months. maintenece and repair of all eqipment such as mowers, tractors etc. weekly cleaning of areas, window washing, cleaning afetr a storm and high winds, checking all structual ellemnets continuasly

I mean Kings park has a massive annual budget for all of the abouve and much more

oh my greatness

oh my greatness

luckily green point stadium is wrapped in ETFE.
A stadium in the desert was built with ETFE some 25 years ago and they simply give it a wipe with a wet cloth once a year.

it seems like im the dumbass in the forum but whats ETFE?

tho stadiums in deserts dont have to worry about rain and bacteria and damp so they preserved like mummy's

it seems like im the dumbass in the forum but whats ETFE?

tho stadiums in deserts dont have to worry about rain and bacteria and damp so they preserved like mummy's

The stadium membrane/material used with Allianz Arena, Beijing Water Cube, Beijing Olympic Stadium...and wrapped around the entire Green Point Stadium.

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ETFE (Ethylene TetrafluoroEthylene) is a fluorocarbon-based polymer (a fluoropolymer): a kind of plastic.

It was designed to be a material with high corrosion resistance and strength over a wide temperature range.

An example of its use is as pneumatic panels to cover the outside of the football stadium Allianz Arena or the Beijing National Aquatics Centre - the world's largest structure made of ETFE film (laminate). The panels of the Eden Project are also made of ETFE and the Tropical Islands have a 20.000 m² window made of this translucent material.

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FOR UK architects Arup, who were part of the winning team that designed the lead stadiums for China's Olympic games, ethylene tetrafluoroethylene (ETFE) gave the flexibility to make daring designs, including what will be the world's largest building made of the product.

This plastic weighs less than 1% of an equivalent-sized glass panel and covers an area of 100,000m2 (9,300ft2) at the National Aquatics Center (the Water Cube) as well as providing the roof cladding for the Bird's Nest, the main athletics stadium.

ETFE is strong, lets in more light than glass and is self-cleaning with every rain shower. It is also a better insulator than glass and resistant to ultraviolet light damage.

This plastic will also help cut energy use at the Water Cube. The building will trap 20% of the solar energy falling onto it to be used to heat the pools and interior. Arup says this is equivalent to covering the entire roof in photovoltaic panels.

ETFE was used for the UK's Eden Project environmental education center, the world's largest user of the product. Around 20,000m2 is also found at the Tropical Island, Brandenburg, Germany.

Vector Foiltec manufactures ETFE as Texlon, which is being used in the Water Cube. DuPont manufactures the product under its Tefzel brand, while Asahi Glass Company makes Fluon.

it seems like im the dumbass in the forum but whats ETFE?

tho stadiums in deserts dont have to worry about rain and bacteria and damp so they preserved like mummy's

but they do have to worry about sand.

facilities that use ETFE:

http://www.smart-travel-germany.com/image-files/munichstadium_large.jpg
http://www.core77.com/blog/images/etfe.jpg
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/04/0423_efte/image/8-beijing-national-stadium.jpg
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/swimming_centre/images/Watercube04.jpg

the obvious question-is cape town the only stadium to use this?

the obvious question-is cape town the only stadium to use this?

As far as I know ...yes..since it had to meet all the noise, wind, environmental etc. requirements of the EIA.
Its a large part of the cost...double membrane roof and the stadium facade...so reducing the stadium height by 2m and the stadium radius by 4m did help a bit in reducing the cost.( but negotiation had more to do with the reduction in the cost..not so much the "value engineering" which the city put forward as the reason.)

cool thanks

Sand isint the only isue with stadiums in the "desert" , we have worse humidity than Durban in Feb and colder at night in winter than the cape

Sand isint the only isue with stadiums in the "desert" , we have worse humidity than Durban in Feb and colder at night in winter than the cape

and ETFE.... It was designed to be a material with high corrosion resistance and strength over a wide temperature range

i know it well and its great but farking expensive

^^ so if so, how was it deemed essential with the greenpoint stadium?

^^ so if so, how was it deemed essential with the greenpoint stadium?

apparently the noise levels just outside the stadium had to be comparable to a library.

ETFE was chosen by the design team based on the EIA and the need for a sustainable, environmentally friendly, noise reducing, non-reflective, etc. etc. stadium.

apparently the noise levels just outside the stadium had to be comparable to a library.

ETFE was chosen by the design team based on the EIA and the need for a sustainable, environmentally friendly, noise reducing, non-reflective, etc. etc. stadium.
greenpoint is not the only one cover in etfe so is the fnb staduim

greenpoint is not the only one cover in etfe so is the fnb staduim

thanks for the info. please provide a source.

south african architects 2006"tis a annually i think" only given out to people in the construction/civils industrial :-( ill scan it when i can find it ,they've got some good shots of the fnb
and how its going to be built piece by piece in glorious 3d

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watched the latest fifa magazine program this weekend. most of the show was about soccer city and how it will be run etc. the project manager mentioned that rugby is part of the long term plans. someone from Intelligent Venue Solutions said it would function as a 7 days a week business location so they 'll probably rent out function, conference and office facilities.

With all these great stadiums, RWC 2019 should be given to SA, but it will be Japan, maybe RWC 2023 will be for SA.