sapmi
December 5th, 2007, 04:51 AM
Man, I wish I owned that apartment! ^^^^
But I don't :cry:
But I don't :cry:
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View Full Version : VALENCIA - Nou Mestalla (73,200) sapmi December 5th, 2007, 04:51 AM Man, I wish I owned that apartment! ^^^^ But I don't :cry: aCidMinD81 December 7th, 2007, 06:33 PM December 7, 2007 http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5333/dsc00224dr5.jpg http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7483/dsc00225ap1.jpg http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8154/dsc00226cu1.jpg http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5368/dsc00227zr1.jpg Lately I've had some problems with my camera, so this time I post mobile quality photos (the last three using the zoom). Want to make me a Christmas present? :D Genç December 7th, 2007, 07:53 PM Thanks so much for the updates! Keep them coming and perhaps you'll get that present... :laugh: aCidMinD81 December 10th, 2007, 10:40 PM Pics posted in the Spanish forum by Grau December 10, 2007 http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6431/10122007299fa2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8969/10122007300yy4.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6421/10122007302aw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2655/10122007307ai2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8163/10122007309pb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/200/10122007313vh3.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/163/10122007316ol1.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6678/10122007328sd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2213/10122007329jo6.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/8417/10122007330iw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5571/10122007331dg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) aCidMinD81 December 13th, 2007, 02:04 AM December 12, 2007 http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9025/dscn5539fu8.jpg http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1183/dscn5543pi8.jpg http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7871/dscn5540ds5.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2391/dscn5541gk2.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1746/dscn5542oz2.jpg GNU December 13th, 2007, 10:59 AM Great progress. I have the feeling that they are building things faster in Spain these days than they do in Germany. renco December 13th, 2007, 07:02 PM Great pace,I'm really lookin forward for that stadium :okay: Tomas05 December 14th, 2007, 10:38 AM awesome photos! thanks so much (: HAL9000 December 21st, 2007, 09:33 AM Two fantastic photos posted at the spanish forum: ¡¡Mirad lo que he conseguido de un amigo de un amigo de un amigo de un amigo de un amigo...que trabaja en una constructora que todos conocemos!!! http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2797/aerea1fx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) y tambien http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9441/aerea2qc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us) con lo que os deseo una ¡¡muy feliz navidad chalaos de los estadios!!! :eek2::eek2::eek2: PopolVuh! December 21st, 2007, 12:46 PM It looks expensive... HAL9000 December 25th, 2007, 02:10 PM New photos: 22 Diciembre http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4569/dscf0895cj1.jpg http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7361/dscf0886mz9.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/952/dscf0887av1.jpg Omaro December 26th, 2007, 05:18 AM One bloody amazing stadium, really like its exterior and interior... Hope to be able to visit it one day! Omaro December 26th, 2007, 05:19 AM But on another note, it's a pity that such a large-scale project has gone from the drawing board to the actual construction so quickly, while the new Anfield has been (and still is) in limbo for the past decade :S lpioe December 26th, 2007, 12:07 PM Great shots HAL9000. They are indeed very fast. I also like the setting of the stadium. In a dense area, not in the suburbs like most new stadiums. masterpaul December 26th, 2007, 05:46 PM thats fast Genç December 27th, 2007, 03:26 PM I also like the setting of the stadium. In a dense area, not in the suburbs like most new stadiums. :yes: HAL9000 December 31st, 2007, 08:01 PM New photos for a good year ending :) Os dejo algunas fotos más de las obras... 30 Diciembre http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6431/dscf0941ac5.jpg http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3858/dscf0928bp1.jpg http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6914/dscf0927xz8.jpg http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8096/dscf0926kt2.jpg Intentaré añadir fotos de vez en cuando..:soon: :banana2:FELIZ AÑO NUEVO A TODOS!!!!:banana2: aCidMinD81 January 4th, 2008, 04:55 PM New Year's Present January 4, 2008 http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/558/panorama2zd3.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7126/img0838qp1.jpg http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2285/img0839wm6.jpg http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7275/img0841hs6.jpg EADGBE January 4th, 2008, 09:59 PM I'm very impressed with the pace of the project - especially over Christmas. This being Spain, is it possible that the height of summer may be more likely to slow down the progress? I presume the digging down is to provide a few levels of underground parking - which an urban location would require more than if the ground had been located on the edge of town. Like many projects featured on SSC before, the regular and frequent photo updates of this build make it an interesting and fascinating thread. I look forward to the next set of pictures! Thanks, guys... TEKKEN January 5th, 2008, 02:13 AM this is the best stadium design of new stadiums in Europe which will be built. Also the redesign of the Camp Nou by Foster is not bad. carlspannoosh January 5th, 2008, 02:40 AM Originally Posted by lpioe I also like the setting of the stadium. In a dense area, not in the suburbs like most new stadiums. Agreed. It looks spot on for location. lukus January 5th, 2008, 01:46 PM Great stadium Mordaunt-S January 10th, 2008, 06:05 PM :master::master::master: amazing, good for you guys. I didn't know they started building it i thought it was still just planned , when was the decision made ? . Keep posting can't wait to see progress , i'm gonna save all the pictures and make slide movie :lol: Mordaunt-S January 11th, 2008, 02:42 PM by the way , who was the architect ? SkyLerm January 11th, 2008, 02:54 PM Mark Fenwick if i'm not wrong^ aCidMinD81 January 12th, 2008, 03:35 AM I've updated post#112 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=17481927&postcount=112) with more photos taken that day I promise to post more pics on Sunday. They have speed up the construction a lot this week GNU January 12th, 2008, 02:10 PM http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2797/aerea1fx2.jpg Great shot this aCidMinD81 January 15th, 2008, 03:12 AM January 14, 2008 http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7484/img0001pq8.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6924/img0002bh2.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/42/img0004pz5.jpg http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9118/panorama3retzu3.jpg larsul January 15th, 2008, 06:23 AM Simplemente increibles las ultimas fotos.. Que lindo estadio sera este.. saludos lpioe January 15th, 2008, 08:05 PM Very impressive progress. Will this be underground parking? the wembley wizard January 16th, 2008, 03:09 PM These guys are not pissing around with this construction are they !!!1 Mordaunt-S January 16th, 2008, 06:11 PM unbeliveable :okay: keep up with the good work guys :righton: Mordaunt-S January 23rd, 2008, 11:47 PM any update ?? :) Dallasbrink January 23rd, 2008, 11:58 PM Best stadium in Europe once completed. Neda Say January 24th, 2008, 12:28 AM Wow this is coming up quick real quick! This is one of Europe coolest city and they're getting the Coolest stadium! aCidMinD81 January 24th, 2008, 01:18 AM January 23, 2008 http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/169/dsc00204dq6hi9.jpg http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3461/dsc00205jw7kr2.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5205/dsc00206ck3gm8.jpg http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/521/dsc00207ny2xq1.jpg http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6171/dsc00208lm0iz0.jpg http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8277/dsc00211tk0dy2.jpg http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8861/dsc00212vg8qz0.jpg http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/97/dsc00213iv8rm4.jpg http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4651/dsc00214jq7wi5.jpg Extras http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1725/0001048jw3.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0001048jw3.jpg) http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/650/0001049qb2.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0001049qb2.jpg) rwe0ymweWOA Rzp-LW4DUBs Genç January 24th, 2008, 01:52 PM Superb progress. :okay: aCidMinD81 January 25th, 2008, 12:34 AM January 24, 2008 http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9031/img0009dx1.jpg http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/6626/img0010eu8.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5986/img0011qz5.jpg http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5947/img0012rp4.jpg http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4849/img0013yh1.jpg Good Will January 26th, 2008, 11:45 PM I just can't wait for this to be finished, I'm going to go in the first season it opens. It's a wonderful stadium design. bing222 January 27th, 2008, 02:55 AM I agree G.C. January 27th, 2008, 04:31 AM So much done in a short amnount of time. If only all stadium constructs were done at this pace. Axelferis January 28th, 2008, 11:28 PM People of valencia-> congratulations because your stadium is for real :okay: (Friday pics of Lille stadium [france] will be revealed!!!!!) kazetuner January 28th, 2008, 11:39 PM hola, me acabo de registrar en el foro pero vengo siguiendo los avances desde hace largo rato. Antes que que nada, lesdigo que estan haciendo un gran trabajo de seguimiento, los felicito!! que suerte tienen ustedes alla en europa de poder tener ese tipo de estadios, aqui en el tercer mundo los estadios estan viejisimos (por ejemplo el estadio de ferro, que todavia tiene gradas de madera.....). en fin muchas gracias por estas increibles fotos:D GunnerJacket January 29th, 2008, 10:34 PM Very nice! I can't match the accolade of "best" or "coolest" as others have, but it is certainly top tier and arguably among the best for the money and, likely, among the fastest completed. It'll be nice to see La Liga have another large, high-quality facility. Congrats! BTW, has this helped the team with their attendance figures this year? I wonder if people are buying season tickets to be in line for orders when the new digs open, and to say goodbye to the old stadium. aCidMinD81 February 6th, 2008, 07:04 PM February 6, 2008 http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/41692/2005904685511820220_rs.jpg http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/44412/2005921398336354958_rs.jpg http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/42731/2005970192275295160_rs.jpg http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/41732/2005933227035509581_rs.jpg -- > Click here to see the panorama in real size < -- (http://acidmind.iespana.es/Panorama4.JPG) (Once open the new window, you must click ENTER in the address toolbar) bing222 February 7th, 2008, 08:43 AM they are fast workers :) Mordaunt-S February 10th, 2008, 01:41 AM :okay: sx1 February 11th, 2008, 09:35 AM Thanks for the updates!! And having looked at the Camp Nou & new Anfied pics,i fall in love with the new stadium even more. Awesome!!! AvFenix February 13th, 2008, 01:51 PM Some pictures: http://foto-cache.lasprovincias.es/jpg/0/9/1202841063290.jpghttp://foto-cache.lasprovincias.es/jpg/8/4/1202840808248.jpg http://foto-cache.lasprovincias.es/jpg/8/2/1202840813728.jpghttp://foto-cache.lasprovincias.es/jpg/3/0/1202840810603.jpg The images are of the local team locker rooms, and a room located a few meters away, which will serve as a waiting room for family members of players and technicians. http://foto-cache.lasprovincias.es/jpg/0/8/1202841063780.jpg Source: Las Provincias ('http://www.lasprovincias.es/valencia/multimedia/fotos/10415.html') Vilak February 13th, 2008, 01:57 PM Great info! Reaper-strain February 15th, 2008, 12:38 PM Stunning, a beautiful design and excellent work rate on top of that. Will be incredible when it is done. This stadium will make the Allianz, New Liverpool Stadium and even Wembley look like shit. Well done to the Valencianos for this amazing project. artoor February 15th, 2008, 03:40 PM This stadium will make the Allianz, New Liverpool Stadium and even Wembley look like shit. What a lovely expression! That's why I don't value Spanish or Catalunha football fans very high. Quick to offend others and feel offended if the home club is a bit down. Pathetic. kennyrouge February 15th, 2008, 04:33 PM The new liverpool stadium will never be built, not by the yanks anyway.:) Reaper-strain February 15th, 2008, 08:47 PM What a lovely expression! That's why I don't value Spanish or Catalunha football fans very high. Quick to offend others and feel offended if the home club is a bit down. Pathetic. I am neither, only interested in aesthetics and this stadium is superior in beauty than Wembley the Allianz and the drawings for the new Liverpool stadium. It might be hard for you to accept this coming from someone with no natural bias accept that of aesthetics but at the end of the day, who cares. If you can't accept that basic fact, life becomes very complicated. Again, Well done to the Valencianos showing us their true style. :):) aCidMinD81 February 16th, 2008, 04:58 AM February 15, 2008 http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2703/img0366ja9.jpg http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4420/img0362hv8.jpg http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7745/img0363nu7.jpg http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/528/img0364bf7.jpg http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/982/img0365kn1.jpg http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8168/img0372oh5.jpg http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8526/panorama6retkl3.jpg Link to download the panorama (5'7 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/92228560/Panorama6.JPG.html) kazetuner February 17th, 2008, 10:35 PM no puedo esperar a ver como el estadio supera el nivel de la calle...... lastima que despues ya no se vera tanto la construccion del interior.................excepto que algiuen se escabulla o se haga pasar por operario:P todo sea por el bien de este thread aCidMinD81 February 21st, 2008, 12:03 AM February 20, 2008 Let's count cranes! http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7316/img0397rw8.jpg http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8819/img0402rn5.jpg http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6326/img0403yt5.jpg http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9540/img0404sf0.jpg http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1783/img0400yo5.jpg http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3651/img0401bv6.jpg http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8954/panorama7retju6.jpg Link to the not scaled panorama (3,62 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/93419298/Panorama7.JPG.html) marrio415 February 21st, 2008, 09:55 PM it will be a very nice stadium when finished,valencia fans i bet you guys can't wait aCidMinD81 February 22nd, 2008, 07:58 PM Today has been announced that Valencia C.F. will build a 20-storey 5 stars hotel in the same plot, the project is being studied by Mark Fenwick, the architect od the stadium. Here is a render of the volume of the hotel. http://media.epi.es/www.levante-emv.es/media/fotos/noticias/646x260/2008-02-29_IMG_2008-02-22_01:17:55_vcf.jpg And here, some renders of Mark Fenwick's design for Hercules Stadium in Alicante (it is not Valencia's one although they are quite similar)... with a hotel too. http://www.landmadrid.es/index_archivos/image006.jpg http://www.landmadrid.es/index_archivos/image008.jpg bixa louca February 22nd, 2008, 08:32 PM Oh. Oh. You posted something in, gasp, Spanish. Hope your post doesn't disappear! lpioe February 22nd, 2008, 09:15 PM I don't like the tower so close to the stadium. Btw is the Hercules project approved? What's the cap? GunnerJacket February 22nd, 2008, 11:24 PM Stunning, a beautiful design and excellent work rate on top of that. Will be incredible when it is done. This stadium will make the Allianz, New Liverpool Stadium and even Wembley look like shit.Given the angle you take in your post that follows, I'm curious as to how you're reaching this opinion. What do you find about this design that is so superior to Allianz, etc.? Especially if you're talking about aesthetics then I find it hard for you to call something bad. Either you like it or don't, but you can't measure personal aesthetic appeal as either good or bad, let alone "like shit." Genç February 22nd, 2008, 11:25 PM I don't like the tower so close to the stadium. Same... lukus February 23rd, 2008, 01:46 PM Great stadium. From the renders, reminds me a bit of upgraded FNB stadium in South Africa. Reaper-strain February 23rd, 2008, 04:27 PM Given the angle you take in your post that follows, I'm curious as to how you're reaching this opinion. What do you find about this design that is so superior to Allianz, etc.? Especially if you're talking about aesthetics then I find it hard for you to call something bad. Either you like it or don't, but you can't measure personal aesthetic appeal as either good or bad, let alone "like shit." You can, perhaps it is the 'like shit' comment that offends your political correctness, but either way you sound like a computer crashing. For me, this stadium is superior aesthetically to the three other stadiums I mentioned. I am allowed to do this and believe passionately in it. What exactly is your malfunction with my statement? You want me to explain why the new Wembley was so bland they had to add a crane like structure in the shape of an arch to at least add some sort of character? Would you like to know why the Allianz which looks like someone has broken a lava lamp over a tire is not beautiful to me? The Liverpool stadium I will not even start on as there is so much unattractive about it imo. Now this Valencia stadium IMO is a beautiful piece of design. Original, modern, sleek, I love its name across the side - very Catalan/Valenciano to advertise like this, it is more than a stadium for football. It is a beautiful structure that reminds us of firstly the huge architectural heritage of Valencia and indeed all the Costa Brava, the love of football of this community, the attention to detail and finally the natural beauty of the actual design. Now a politically correct person would simply say - 'I think, the new Liverpool stadium ect perhaps got it wrong when you compare it to the new Valencia stadium.' Me, considering the money, boastful nature of these previous stadium - plus how ugly they all look, I myself, not politically correct - not at a dinner party with ambassadors, but on an internet forum can simply say - 'they will be made to look like shit when the new Valencia stadium is finished.' And I stand by that. http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2852/estadioup0.jpg GunnerJacket February 23rd, 2008, 04:54 PM You can, perhaps it is the 'like shit' comment that offends your political correctness, but either way you sound like a computer crashing. For me, this stadium is superior aesthetically to the three other stadiums I mentioned. I am allowed to do this and believe passionately in it. What exactly is your malfunction with my statement? You want me to explain why the new Wembley was so bland they had to add a crane like structure in the shape of an arch to at least add some sort of character? Would you like to know why the Allianz which looks like someone has broken a lava lamp over a tire is not beautiful to me? The Liverpool stadium I will not even start on as there is so much unattractive about it imo. Now this Valencia stadium IMO is a beautiful piece of design. Original, modern, sleek, I love its name across the side - very Catalan/Valenciano to advertise like this, it is more than a stadium for football. It is a beautiful structure that reminds us of firstly the huge architectural heritage of Valencia and indeed all the Costa Brava, the love of football of this community, the attention to detail and finally the natural beauty of the actual design. Now a politically correct person would simply say - 'I think, the new Liverpool stadium ect perhaps got it wrong when you compare it to the new Valencia stadium.' Me, considering the money, boastful nature of these previous stadium - plus how ugly they all look, I myself, not politically correct - not at a dinner party with ambassadors, but on an internet forum can simply say - 'they will be made to look like shit when the new Valencia stadium is finished.' And I stand by that. Pardon me for trying to figure out what you're basing your opinion on. :ohno: I was simply looking for a qualifier as to what you saw in this stadium that not only was to your liking but in turn put the others to shame. Such reasoning sounds like inherent bias rather than architectural criticism. I agree the arch at Wembley is contrite, but my opinion of Wembley is based on Wembley, not the Mastella. And seeing as I find the Mastella less than original or dynamic I wanted to learn if there was something more that I was missing. I guess on one level I didn't get the response I'd hoped for, but on another I found what I was looking for. Thanks for, um, discussing. Reaper-strain February 23rd, 2008, 09:24 PM but my opinion of Wembley is based on Wembley, not the Mastella. Good for you, I however am able to compare stadia. I compared you to a computer as a joke, now I see I was actually skirting around the reality of your binary mind. I am also able to compare stadiums, I did. You first told me I cannot compare them on Aesthetics (:nuts:) - I proved I could. I stated - only briefly why I do not like these stadia as I already sensed your mind was in overload when telling me I could not compare the aesthetics in the first place. Now you come back with bias? :) I don't like arguing with broken Macs - man - reboot and then perhaps download a programme that explains that humans are capable of making choices on aesthetics and then - even comparing the results without being bias, in a swimming pool or any other stupid excuse your corrupted binary tries to resolve the obvious with. If none of this works, you may have caught a virus, try this (http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/premium_services/premium_virus.jsp). Only when I am sure your harddrive is clean will I engage you with more details about how unimaginative 'The Home of Football' is if you wish to discuss further. MoreOrLess February 23rd, 2008, 10:58 PM I am neither, only interested in aesthetics and this stadium is superior in beauty than Wembley the Allianz and the drawings for the new Liverpool stadium. It might be hard for you to accept this coming from someone with no natural bias accept that of aesthetics but at the end of the day, who cares. If you can't accept that basic fact, life becomes very complicated. Again, Well done to the Valencianos showing us their true style. :):) Your one of the most nationalistic posters on this forum in my expereince so excuse me if I ignore the "no bias" comment. Reaper-strain February 23rd, 2008, 11:30 PM Your one of the most nationalistic posters on this forum in my expereince so excuse me if I ignore the "no bias" comment. Nationalistic? That is the love of one country. Which country am I nationalistic for? Please show me and feel free to quote my past posts. i think you will find it is more than one unfortunately for your nationalist argument. But feel free to ignore my 'bias' post on aesthetics of stadia - its only fair, whenever i smell someone politically correct like yourself, i throw up in my mouth a little. :) Reaper-strain February 23rd, 2008, 11:35 PM Link to the not scaled panorama (3,62 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/93419298/Panorama7.JPG.html) great pic Sagaris February 24th, 2008, 06:47 AM Btw is the Hercules project approved? What's the cap?Im curious of this as well. aCidMinD81 February 25th, 2008, 01:46 AM I don't like the tower so close to the stadium. Btw is the Hercules project approved? What's the cap? Finally the new Hercules stadium has been designed by Estudio Lamela. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1792/lamelalaie0.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7292/lamela6hw4xi1.jpg http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7195/32wj8sj0.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7990/93751475lj7ga5.jpg http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4034/lamela0js8jd6.jpg http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8414/lamela1xb3zu5.jpg The capacity won't be increased, 30.000 seats. GunnerJacket February 25th, 2008, 05:22 AM Good for you, I however am able to compare stadia. I compared you to a computer as a joke, now I see I was actually skirting around the reality of your binary mind. I am also able to compare stadiums, I did. You first told me I cannot compare them on Aesthetics (:nuts:) - I proved I could. I stated - only briefly why I do not like these stadia as I already sensed your mind was in overload when telling me I could not compare the aesthetics in the first place. Now you come back with bias? :) I never said you couldn't compare aesthetics. I simply wanted to better understand how the aesthetics of one stadium made the other look bad. Didn't mean for it to be a painful exercise and the bias comment was simply a guess based on what was left me. Surely if my mind was as binary as you're presuming I wouldn't have bothered trying to learn about another random human's opinions on aesthetics, now would I? You should stick with more stuff like this: I love its name across the side - very Catalan/Valenciano to advertise like this, it is more than a stadium for football. It is a beautiful structure that reminds us of firstly the huge architectural heritage of Valencia and indeed all the Costa BravaThanks at least for this constructive reference as it made me research such cultural aspects. May the end result bring you as much joy as the renderings. Meanwhile, I'll go "reboot." :cheers: AvFenix March 1st, 2008, 01:31 AM My harvest: Feb 29, 2008 13:00-14:00. Works: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1280/obras01ly7.jpg http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3784/obras02eu5.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4918/obras03ty7.jpg http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/701/obras04zg4.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5546/obras05nz1.jpg http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4088/obras06al6.jpg http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5936/obras07lo4.jpg http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/873/obras08mw7.jpg http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8027/obras10gd3.jpg http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7920/obras11uj9.jpg http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2682/obras12xg0.jpg http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3306/obras13it3.jpg Surrounding area: http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6027/entorno02aq6.jpg http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7115/entorno03vs5.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6027/entorno02aq6.jpg http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7115/entorno03vs5.jpg http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2808/haciaelestadio02pb2.jpg http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9995/haciaelestadio03tp4.jpg http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4227/haciaelestadio04bc8.jpg bing222 March 1st, 2008, 07:33 AM WOW cool photos lpioe March 1st, 2008, 12:25 PM Nice shots. I like the dense sourroundings of the stadium. aCidMinD81 March 4th, 2008, 03:16 AM February 29, 2008 http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7443/img0423vg9.jpg In the picture below is being built the dressing rooms of this model (Click here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18386765&postcount=143)) http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7656/img0426hx5.jpg http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5351/img0427ps5.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/998/img0428bl8.jpg http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1553/img0429du7.jpg http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2700/img0431jr3.jpg bing222 March 4th, 2008, 06:41 AM great photos aCiDMinD81 marrio415 March 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM wow i gotta say it's really moving at a pace and this will be one nice stadium marrio415 March 6th, 2008, 06:01 PM Stunning, a beautiful design and excellent work rate on top of that. Will be incredible when it is done. This stadium will make the Allianz, New Liverpool Stadium and even Wembley look like shit. Well done to the Valencianos for this amazing project. while i respect your opinion.I too like this stadium very nice design,But i must disagree with the like Sh** comment i'm english yes and i've been to new wembley and i have to say pics do not do it justice it is an amazing place the sheer scale is mind blowing the facillities are absolutly top notch and the atmosphere inside when full is amazing plus i imagine the allianz would be the same to a point but can't say more as i haven't been as for the new liverpool fc stadium design i wouldn't say it's sh** but i certainly don't think it fits in with english stadia it's too american.Back to the nou mestalla yes maybe the design looks nicer from an outside view perspective that i agree but to judge anything you actually have to be there to judge it better.Just my opinion. skaP187 March 8th, 2008, 09:03 PM I saw the stadium from the sky today coming back from the Netherlands flying to Alicante. It was clearly visable, Massive thing. Also saw the estadio de la communidad Valencia from Levante (nice colours...) en El Madrigal from Villarreal. cool... (more or less) Demetrius March 11th, 2008, 03:14 PM The pace of the construction works on this stadium, as depicted in this thread with all these photos, is constantly impressing me! I mean you have a world-class stadium that is being built astonishingly fast! I mean you can feel the passion of the people that are making it happen! Valencianos are realy to be respected for this! Vilak March 18th, 2008, 06:10 PM Thank you for the pix. g$X.n1 March 18th, 2008, 10:16 PM I could cry when I see how fast your stadium grows.. compared to our stadium... :ohno: respect bumdingo March 19th, 2008, 12:14 AM it doesn't look finished Flogging Molly March 19th, 2008, 12:20 PM Cant wait for this to be finished. When I visited the old Mestalla, it was such a huge dissappointment. Even the club shop was tiny. This though is going to be truly amazing. AvFenix March 19th, 2008, 02:45 PM New pictures. March 18, 2008. http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/504/noumestalla18320081vv1.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9396/noumestalla18320082gb1.jpg http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9295/noumestalla18320089wb9.jpg http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/668/noumestalla18320083wa8.jpg http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1586/noumestalla18320084ey4.jpg http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9660/noumestalla18320085vw0.jpg http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4789/noumestalla18320086rg0.jpg http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3856/noumestalla18320087vf9.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1834/noumestalla18320088lm2.jpg Carrerra March 19th, 2008, 02:52 PM AvFenix, thanks for the pics. www.sercan.de March 19th, 2008, 03:41 PM GS fans compare this cocntruction with our own construction. They say "look, in some months our stadium will look look like tis" :D How many car lots will it have? Stifler March 19th, 2008, 04:04 PM How many car lots will it have? 3,100 (2,600 of them for general supporters, the rest for VIPS and players). However they were studying to build 1,400 aditional ones. www.sercan.de March 19th, 2008, 04:26 PM Damn, our architects said 10% of the capacity is minumum. Therefore we changed our project and now we have a delay of 40 days :( Thanks a lot Details March 20th, 2008, 01:54 AM Have a look at this great link (http://www.futuromestalla.com) with construction pictures update (http://www.futuromestalla.com/galeria/index.php?level=album&id=6&plog_page=8) and some vids (http://www.futuromestalla.com/videos.php) ...surprised nobody has posted this yet! www.sercan.de March 20th, 2008, 01:27 PM thanks a lot 3rd tier hamburg stadium :D http://www.futuromestalla.com/Images/campo1.jpg bumdingo March 20th, 2008, 02:15 PM Is it me or is the outside fantastic but the inside all so familiar. Fair play for the speed it's being erected, in the UK we would still be arguing about planning www.sercan.de March 20th, 2008, 02:49 PM Nowadays all new stadiums have a similiar interior because of the sightlines You can just add a ovel last tier like da luz, or a soft oval last tier like Allianz Valencia has got this special 3rd tier Mordaunt-S March 29th, 2008, 01:15 AM this is awesome , the stadium willl be finished in 2 months :D :D trmather March 29th, 2008, 05:04 AM I somehow doubt that... Mordaunt-S March 31st, 2008, 04:47 AM just a joke my friend , c'mon :D Carrerra March 31st, 2008, 04:52 AM Anyway it's true Nuevo Mestalla is being builit at an incredible speed that makes people think it will be finished in 2 months. Details April 1st, 2008, 08:28 PM Going up... http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2905/mestallawhn9.jpg http://www.superdeporte.es/servicios/camaraMestalla/camaraMestalla.jsp aCidMinD81 April 16th, 2008, 01:32 AM April 15, 2008 http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3993/1142008fw8.jpg http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6418/img0435ni3.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8378/img0436qw7.jpg http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8869/img0437ba4.jpg http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/718/img0438wy5.jpg http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9577/img0439gn8.jpg http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2632/img0461oi4.jpg Look at that reinforcement cages!!! :banana: http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1470/img0457retum1.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5466/img0459retff3.jpg http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7364/panorama8peqei4.jpg Link to the not scaled pano (3,73 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/107676356/Panorama8ret.jpg.html) lpioe April 16th, 2008, 08:34 PM ^^ Great Pano aCidMinD81! Reaper-strain April 16th, 2008, 08:38 PM Why has the title of this thread changed? Is this new stadium not going to be called the new mestalla? www.sercan.de April 16th, 2008, 09:30 PM I thought they are searching for a sponsor bing222 April 17th, 2008, 09:46 AM I was confused as well!! doesn't matter now i found the thread now! aCidMinD81 April 18th, 2008, 04:24 PM There we go!! http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/382/img0469nn7.jpg http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/4193/img0480th1.jpg Details April 23rd, 2008, 02:13 AM Week 38... http://www.futuromestalla.com/galeria/thumbs/lrg-485-semana38_1.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/galeria/thumbs/lrg-486-semana38_2.JPG http://www.futuromestalla.com/galeria/thumbs/lrg-487-semana38_3.JPG http://www.futuromestalla.com/galeria/thumbs/lrg-488-semana38_4.JPG bing222 April 23rd, 2008, 02:21 AM They are relly getting started on the stadium. If anyone knows when it will be completed can someone tell me please ? thanx aCidMinD81 April 23rd, 2008, 02:27 AM The date of completion will be aproximately July 2009 Carrerra April 23rd, 2008, 09:20 AM Thank you for the pics, aCidMinD81 bing222 April 23rd, 2008, 10:22 AM Thank you aCidMinD81 ! ! titou April 23rd, 2008, 01:01 PM Should be a hell of a stadium when finished, congratulation to the city! www.sercan.de April 23rd, 2008, 01:16 PM how many workers are there? BeestonLad April 23rd, 2008, 02:19 PM Looks brilliant and such quick progress, they dont mess about not like Liverpool Morsue April 24th, 2008, 02:25 PM Sorry to say, but it looks like it will be the finest stadium in the Segunda... Carrerra April 24th, 2008, 02:34 PM Sorry to say, but it looks like it will be the finest stadium in the Segunda... Not the finest stadium in the Segunda but the finest one in all 2nd division leagues on earth if Valencia is relegated. Berris April 24th, 2008, 02:50 PM Sorry to say, but it looks like it will be the finest stadium in the Segunda... lol :D I don't think Valencia is going to Segunda :D They are 15/20, yes, also 2 points ahead of the 18th (first place to go to Segunda), but I wish they don't go, they are a historical club in Spain's football! Even they just won the Copa del Rey. Carrerra April 24th, 2008, 02:59 PM lol :D I don't think Valencia is going to Segunda :D They are 15/20, yes, also 2 points ahead of the 18th (first place to go to Segunda), but I wish they don't go, they are a historical club in Spain's football! Even they just won the Copa del Rey. Valencia made us realize the truth that a good coach can not make a bad team into a good team but a bad coach can make a good team into a bad team. Carrerra April 24th, 2008, 03:08 PM lol :D I don't think Valencia is going to Segunda :D They are 15/20, yes, also 2 points ahead of the 18th (first place to go to Segunda), but I wish they don't go, they are a historical club in Spain's football! Even they just won the Copa del Rey. How many points are they behind the UEFA cup zone and Champions league zone? VLC08 April 24th, 2008, 04:02 PM How many points are they behind the UEFA cup zone and Champions league zone? VCF will play next season UEFA cup. They won the King's Cup aCidMinD81 April 24th, 2008, 10:56 PM April 24, 2008 http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1782/img0484tt4.jpg http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4986/img0498ke0.jpg http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6757/img0490ab1.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8831/img0491ms7.jpg http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5028/img0499wn0.jpg http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9420/img0500ji8.jpg http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4049/img0501sn7.jpg http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4726/panorama9retbp4.jpg Link to the not scaled pano (3 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/110133031/Panorama9.jpg.html) Carrerra April 25th, 2008, 12:19 AM Thank you for the pics, aCidMinD81. These photos are really awesome. I truly respect the persons who took them. The angle and the resolution are fantastic indeed. Morsue April 25th, 2008, 01:10 AM Thank you for the pics, aCidMinD81. These photos are really awesome. I truly respect the persons who took them. The angle and the resolution are fantastic indeed. As he said earlier in this topic, aCidMinD81 took these pictures from his bedroom window. Front row seats to say the least. Carrerra April 25th, 2008, 01:20 AM As he said earlier in this topic, aCidMinD81 took these pictures from his bedroom window. Front row seats to say the least. This forum is so lucky to have a member who lives right in front of Nou Mestalla and has a fantastic carmera and photo shooting techniques as well. What a coincidence! www.sercan.de April 25th, 2008, 01:12 PM how many hours per day they work at the stadium? aCidMinD81 April 25th, 2008, 01:26 PM how many hours per day they work at the stadium? From Monday to Friday they work 14 hours from 8 AM until 10 PM. On Saturdays, from 8 AM to 15 PM. how many workers are there? I really don't know but at least 200 workers just in the plot www.sercan.de April 25th, 2008, 01:28 PM thanks a lot You should sell your pics to Valencia CF :D aCidMinD81 April 25th, 2008, 01:39 PM Thank you for the pics, aCidMinD81. These photos are really awesome. I truly respect the persons who took them. The angle and the resolution are fantastic indeed. Thanks. I took the pics personally. My flat has two balconies looking to that way, and of course the panoramic window in my bedroom :D This has been taken over my bed (just awaken from siesta time :D) http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3588/dscn5534ta9.jpg Carrerra April 25th, 2008, 02:05 PM Thanks. I took the pics personally. My flat has two balconys looking to that way, and of course the panoramic window in my bedroom :D Your flat is a dream place to football fans in the world where you can see the historic masterpiece get into shape day by day with your own eyes. You couldn't be more fortunate. Maybe you had done a lot of good things in your previous life from Buddhism's point of view :lol::lol::lol: Mordaunt-S April 28th, 2008, 01:34 AM progress is really amazing :okay: raynsity April 29th, 2008, 05:35 AM if you only think about the stadium then it is a dream place for a football fan, but if you think about the noise created by the construction then you'll maybe think u r not supposed to be there. bing222 April 29th, 2008, 08:49 AM Cool photos and nice location where you live:):) aCidMinD81 April 29th, 2008, 12:27 PM if you only think about the stadium then it is a dream place for a football fan, but if you think about the noise created by the construction then you'll maybe think u r not supposed to be there. I can assure you that in this 9 months of works I've never felt uncomfortable with the noise aCidMinD81 April 30th, 2008, 12:26 AM April 29, 2008 http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8340/nm2904082tx8.jpg http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7722/nm2904081ro3.jpg http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/6551/nm2904083kg4.jpg http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4415/nm2904084ja8.jpg http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6664/nm2904085uf4.jpg http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/585/detnm2904081no0.jpg http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/2056/detnm2904082tu3.jpg http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8232/detnm2904083gy9.jpg http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8896/detnm2904084dl8.jpg http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8618/nm2904086tr0.jpg Bonus pics. The sorroundings http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/713/nm2904087by6.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3933/nm2904088dm5.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/91/panorama10retcz3.jpg Link to the not scaled pano (3,2 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/111312144/Panorama10.JPG.html) Carrerra April 30th, 2008, 01:01 AM Valencia is a really beautiful ciy! Reaper-strain April 30th, 2008, 02:37 PM They build so quickly in Spain. kazetuner April 30th, 2008, 10:30 PM this is gonna be a nice one... Details May 8th, 2008, 01:34 AM Great pictures posted by JuToSe in the spanish thread... http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3350/dscf1154qp5.jpg http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6258/dscf1160tq0.jpg http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2103/dscf1163ez2.jpg http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7038/dscf1156bd4.jpg G.C. May 8th, 2008, 04:13 AM Now thats progress! Hint-hintety-hint-hint South Africa. ben77 May 8th, 2008, 06:52 PM This is going to be a disgustingly good stadium. And the cost put the London Olympic stadium to shame. Carrerra May 9th, 2008, 12:23 AM Bonus pics. The sorroundings http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/713/nm2904087by6.jpg The surroundings are as fantastic as the arena itself :okay: Republica May 9th, 2008, 08:15 PM I stayed in that Novotel in 2004 i think, and remember thinking what the hell is all that space over the road. Has this site been palnned for years? Come to think of it there was a lot of empty space in Valencia - are they planning to build over all the grassy fields around this area? Are they upgrading the metro station there cos from what i remember it was pretty small. Also done up that roundabout too! aCidMinD81 May 13th, 2008, 06:48 PM I stayed in that Novotel in 2004 i think, and remember thinking what the hell is all that space over the road. Has this site been palnned for years? Come to think of it there was a lot of empty space in Valencia - are they planning to build over all the grassy fields around this area? Are they upgrading the metro station there cos from what i remember it was pretty small. Also done up that roundabout too! Yes, of course this has been planned. There was projected to build a sport facility in that area since 1987. All the neighbourhood is being built since 1999, there was just weeds until then and the main road, nowadays a fantastic boulevard. The sculpture in the roundabout was finished in January 2007. Thera are not grassy fields already, all of them have finished buildings or in progress. May 13, 2008 First tiers http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9724/img0547dc7.jpg Gran Kanarya May 14th, 2008, 12:13 AM will be one of the best stadia in Europe memoboy May 14th, 2008, 02:16 AM looks like a 200,000 people stadium!.......its a big nice monster.... bing222 May 14th, 2008, 08:34 AM That looks massive i agree with memoboy loks like a 200,000 seat stadium AvFenix May 15th, 2008, 07:46 PM New Pictures. May 15 2008: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000671.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000672.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000673.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000674.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000676.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000677.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000678.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000679.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000680.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000681.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000682.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000683.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000684.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000685.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000686.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000687.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000688.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/P1000689.jpg Carrerra May 15th, 2008, 08:02 PM Thank you for the pics! bing222 May 16th, 2008, 08:08 AM WOW it is realy coming along vardar May 16th, 2008, 02:32 PM Thanks for the updates its going up really fast :cheers: IMO the best looking stadium around, unless the renders turn out to be a lot better than the real life version :D miguelon May 18th, 2008, 01:33 AM is that a big construction site or what?? by he way, thanks to all the valencia forumers, for having maybe the best photo coverage, of any stadium forum thread. you are as efective as those workers that work so fast. keep it coming aCidMinD81 May 20th, 2008, 03:56 AM May 19 2008 http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5143/img0582dd3.jpg http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7797/img0583gy8.jpg http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/654/img0584bi1.jpg http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7497/img0595wc0.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4552/img0590mg2.jpg Chaan!! http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/555/img0587dr8.jpg http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1896/img0597tu4.jpg Chaanchaaan!! http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6753/img0594ea4.jpg Chanchanchaaaaaaaaaan!! http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6447/img0591ve9.jpg Pano. May 16 2008 http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/3665/panorama11retdc8.jpg Link to the not scaled pano (6,62 Mb!!!) (http://rapidshare.com/files/116167052/Panorama_11.JPG.html) bing222 May 20th, 2008, 04:32 AM Great Photos aCidMinD81 keeping 'em coming Carrerra May 20th, 2008, 05:47 AM Congratulations to Valencia for staying at Primera Liga! I was really nervous that we might see this gorgeous stadium in Segunda. I'm not joking :ohno: Elensar77 May 20th, 2008, 10:09 AM I think normal quick, but ı ask a question... When will be finish outside front... bing222 May 20th, 2008, 10:21 AM They are really fast on constrcution. :) skaP187 May 20th, 2008, 11:27 AM And in the middle of the city. Very nice! Carrerra May 20th, 2008, 12:00 PM What is it going on in selling out the site for the current stadium? I heard in Korean football commuity that they are having troubles with it because of the recent bubble burst of real estate in Spain... Stifler May 20th, 2008, 04:31 PM What is it going on in selling out the site for the current stadium? I heard in Korean football commuity that they are having troubles with it because of the recent bubble burst of real estate in Spain...Yeah, it's not the best moment at all for selling a site since the real state boom is over and prices are starting to fall. Many real state companies are having hard times amd not many people dare to make such a big investments. Valencia planned to sell the 5 plots in the old Mestalla for €400 million and erase his current debt of nearly €270 million. However, Valencia's largest shareholder had to buy the first plot by himself because no company accepted to pay the €90 million the club wanted. It seems nobody will pay that price for the other 4 pots and Valencia need money to pay the new stadium. Hope everything get solved asap, cause I can't wait to see Nou Mestalla finished. Puto May 22nd, 2008, 08:52 PM It's growing fast, nice. I really want to see it finnished.. i love the design of this stadium. :okay: Elensar77 May 22nd, 2008, 09:27 PM Yeah, it's not the best moment at all for selling a site since the real state boom is over and prices are starting to fall. Many real state companies are having hard times amd not many people dare to make such a big investments. Valencia planned to sell the 5 plots in the old Mestalla for €400 million and erase his current debt of nearly €270 million. However, Valencia's largest shareholder had to buy the first plot by himself because no company accepted to pay the €90 million the club wanted. It seems nobody will pay that price for the other 4 pots and Valencia need money to pay the new stadium. Hope everything get solved asap, cause I can't wait to see Nou Mestalla finished. My friends,you know we waiting finished new stadium same yours. Our president planing to sale vip for 5 years,we will wait 250m€ this sale... bing222 May 23rd, 2008, 01:08 AM Is there a webcam of the construction site, I hope their is aCidMinD81 May 23rd, 2008, 02:15 AM ^^ http://www.superdeporte.es/servicios/camaraMestalla/camaraMestalla.jsp kazetuner May 23rd, 2008, 04:01 AM i can see in the webcam that the first sections of stands have been put already... JuToSe May 25th, 2008, 10:10 PM New pictures. May 25. http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5880/imagen002kt9.jpg http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/388/imagen003kb8.jpg http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4646/imagen009dv0.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1937/imagen025ub6.jpg http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1305/imagen019om7.jpg http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5431/imagen023uj4.jpg Enjoy it!!! EPA001 May 25th, 2008, 10:33 PM ^^ Beautiful progress on one of the most beautiful new stadiums which are under construction in the world right now. This one is really going to be fantastic! Hope Valencia can solve their debts problems soon. They should always be in the Primera Division! bing222 May 26th, 2008, 09:33 AM thanks for the webcam its soo cool aCidMinD81 May 26th, 2008, 03:51 PM Two killed in Valencia stadium construction collapse Both the fatalities are South American workers. Two workers have been killed and two more injured in an accident at the construction of the new Mestalla stadium for Valencia football club. Part of a scaffolding around one of the new pillars for the stadium collapsed leading one man to fall a distance of 12 metres. The other fatality was underneath the collapsing structure which had an estimated weight of 3000 kilos, and firemen rescued a third worker who had become trapped in the collapse. Emergency services were called to the scene at 11am this morning. Around 50 of the other workers at the site helped out in the rescue operation. The two dead are both South American workers, named as 38 year old Luis Medano Sinchuguano Toapanda and 24 year old Nelso Rocha. The most seriously hurt man is Spanish, Enrique Pradas Franco. A statement from the architect of the stadium, Alejandro Escribano, is expected later. Work on the new stadium started on August 1 and the 75,000 seater was to have been completed for the 2009-10 season. http://www.typicallyspanish.com/spain/uploads/2/stadiumfatalityvalencia.jpg aCidMinD81 May 26th, 2008, 03:55 PM They have fallen from here: http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6729/img0601zz1.jpg All the four workers have died. Elensar77 May 26th, 2008, 04:36 PM :ohno: :ohno: kazetuner May 26th, 2008, 08:52 PM :uh::( larsul May 26th, 2008, 10:01 PM such a bad news... constructions are dangerous areas to work and unfortunately this happened... hopefully nobody will get hurt from now on.. en1044 May 27th, 2008, 06:16 AM wow that really is unfortunate...my condolences bing222 May 27th, 2008, 08:42 AM I am deepy sorry for the familes Durbsboi May 27th, 2008, 09:56 AM Safety is & always the number one priority, :ohno: Its sad, but things like this do happen. VLC08 May 27th, 2008, 01:56 PM Aquí un gráfico de la secuencia del trágico accidente: http://canales.lasprovincias.es/documentos/imag/mestalla_tragedia.jpg Fuente: Las Provincias (http://www.lasprovincias.es) Descansen en paz www.sercan.de May 27th, 2008, 02:00 PM RIP :( Carrerra May 27th, 2008, 02:57 PM Deep condolences for the two deceased. www.sercan.de May 27th, 2008, 03:01 PM 4 people died vardar May 27th, 2008, 04:58 PM Thats very sad, these things i guess happen from time to time i just hope it was a freak accident and not negligence, also I hope they do something at the stadium in their memory. Mordaunt-S May 28th, 2008, 05:28 AM bad news , :( bing222 May 28th, 2008, 08:20 AM They should either: Name a stand after one of them or put a statue outside the stadium post replies what you think Irish Blood English Heart May 28th, 2008, 03:20 PM I guess a plaque at least. AvFenix June 5th, 2008, 07:55 PM A Yesterday I spent in the area to make some pictures of how the system works. For the moment being slowed by what the investigation into the fatal accident: Slightly more than half a kilometre further north, next to Conference Center, there is the Sorolla Center: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000772.jpg Overview, which highlights the Hilton Valencia hotel: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000768b.jpg The Hilton Valencia in the foreground: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000774.jpg Already in sight of the Solar new stadium, stressing the cranes and towers: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000776.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000777.jpg Arriving to works: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000778.jpg That is the crux of the matter: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000779.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000780.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000781.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000782.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000783.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000785.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000786.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000788.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000789.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000790.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000792.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000793.jpg The tower where the fateful accident happened, a closer view. You can see that it lacks a section of scaffolding: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000794.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000795.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000796.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000797.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000799.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000800.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000802.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000803.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/04-06-2008/P1000804.jpg bing222 June 6th, 2008, 08:38 AM great images EPA001 June 7th, 2008, 01:08 AM The speed of construction on this fantastic stadium is astonishing. They are only constructing about 1 year now? AvFenix June 7th, 2008, 02:05 AM Works began in August 2007 and should be completed in June 2009. Carrerra June 7th, 2008, 02:53 AM I hope this terrible accident makes people there realize that speed is not the only thing that matters. Safety comes first! AvFenix June 7th, 2008, 09:44 PM The accident has nothing to do with the speed of the works. The investigations point to a defective part. AvFenix June 11th, 2008, 08:05 PM June 11, 2008 http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000868.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000869.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000870.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000872.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000873.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000875.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000876.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/Nou%20Mestalla/11-06-2008/P1000874.jpg Big Texan June 11th, 2008, 10:14 PM its crane city here. Genç June 13th, 2008, 05:56 PM So much progress since I last checked! Great stuff :okay: Mordaunt-S June 17th, 2008, 01:54 PM :okay: aCidMinD81 June 17th, 2008, 04:09 PM June 17, 2008 http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/783/img0632nu0.jpg http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6030/img0623re8.jpg http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3559/img0633ql5.jpg http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9748/img0634xu7.jpg http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5011/img0616xp9.jpg http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2909/img0622am0.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/710/img0617cv4.jpg http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/621/img0619qs7.jpg http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/7961/img0624yf5.jpg http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3861/img0618ai9.jpg http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5073/img0615jp9.jpg http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3155/panorama12retct7.jpg Link to the not scaled pano (CAUTION! 8 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/123073780/Panorama12.JPG.html) Elensar77 June 17th, 2008, 05:42 PM Woww amazing... berkshire royal June 18th, 2008, 03:23 AM im jus wondering are valencia planning to do anything interesting with the seating any patterns or faces in the seats for example? aCidMinD81 June 18th, 2008, 03:59 AM ^^ A bat Naz June 18th, 2008, 08:20 AM Looks like a toilet seat lol. Big Texan June 18th, 2008, 08:23 AM a bat? Toilet seat? theespecialone June 18th, 2008, 08:27 AM imagine if valencia got relegated bing222 June 18th, 2008, 08:29 AM construction is very fast Great pitcures kazetuner June 19th, 2008, 06:07 AM a bat? http://www.hertzio.com/escudo.valencia.JPG Big Texan June 19th, 2008, 07:41 AM o, ooo, a bat would be cool, doubt they do it though. Carrerra June 19th, 2008, 07:54 AM Didn't you know that a bat is symbol of Valencia CF? www.sercan.de June 19th, 2008, 11:13 AM Actually its the symbol of the city Levante UD (another sports club in Valencia) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Levante_ud.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Escudo_de_Valencia_2.svg/589px-Escudo_de_Valencia_2.svg.png Carrerra June 19th, 2008, 11:14 AM Thanks for the info, sercan theespecialone June 19th, 2008, 12:39 PM i didn't know AvFenix June 19th, 2008, 02:01 PM The bat ("Lo Rat Penat" in Valencian) is the emblem of the city, and is present in various buildings, and is also the emblem of various sports associations of the city: http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/RecuerdosInfancia/P1000564.jpg http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/AvFenix55/Fotos%20Urbanas/Valencia/RecuerdosInfancia/P1000565.jpg http://www.pamesabasket.com/cas/moviles/gifs/archivos/imagenes/escudo_agua.jpg Carrerra June 19th, 2008, 02:12 PM Levante has gone down to Segunda, so it's a great pity that we cannot see a bat derby for sometime... Mo Rush June 19th, 2008, 06:06 PM amazing progress. aCidMinD81 June 19th, 2008, 07:03 PM Which design do you prefer? http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/murcielago1.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/murcielago2.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/amunt.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/vcf.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Tricolor_BNJ.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Tricolor_MBJ.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Tricolor_NBJ.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/blancinegras.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_BJ.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_BN.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_JB.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_JN.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_NB.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_NJ.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/negras.jpg http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/blancas.jpg Images: Futuromestalla.com trmather June 19th, 2008, 07:07 PM Black with the orange ring is nice. dudu24 June 19th, 2008, 07:17 PM agree http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_NJ.jpg second choice would be http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_NB.jpg lpioe June 19th, 2008, 07:42 PM Are these the official options or just made by some fans? 1) http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_BN.jpg 2) http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_NB.jpg 3) http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Tricolor_BNJ.jpg Btw: Isn't it called Nou Mestalla anymore? aCidMinD81 June 20th, 2008, 04:27 AM ^^ They're made by some fans in another website. bing222 June 20th, 2008, 09:17 AM Great stadiums designs Big Texan June 20th, 2008, 10:23 AM I like this one http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/murcielago1.jpg But thats because i love when colors like Orange are used allot to stand out. berkshire royal June 20th, 2008, 02:58 PM http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/murcielago1.jpg this one is definately the best for me good colors, good seating designs and not over the top either. does any one know when it will be known for sure what the seating design is going to be? www.sercan.de June 20th, 2008, 04:37 PM this one is like Valencias kit http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_BN.jpg white jersey black short white socks AvFenix June 21st, 2008, 01:16 PM Curiosity: http://www.valenciacf.es/images/noticias/Equipacion2009-07.jpg = http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_NJ.jpg http://www.valenciacf.es/images/noticias/Equipacion2009-02.jpg = http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/Bicolor_BN.jpg skytrax June 21st, 2008, 01:20 PM one of the best stadium renders I have ever seen. :banana: kazetuner June 21st, 2008, 08:23 PM i think they definetly have to put a bat, but the orange is too bright, i think white, black and grey would be better masterpaul June 22nd, 2008, 04:10 AM Thet cant put black and grey, the stadium would look too dull. Big Texan June 22nd, 2008, 02:01 PM it needs orange, it might be to bright but it adds to the Home field advantage, i love it! berkshire royal June 22nd, 2008, 02:38 PM i cant believe valencia nearly got relegated last season a club that size would never finish outside the top 10 in england i guess thats why the spanish league is more exciting. i read that valencia has a debt value of something like £100+ million how is the money situation at valencia i can imagine missing out on the champions league will have a big effect and with this new stadium being built im guessing money is tight will valencia have to sell some of their star players to level the books? Indiana Jones June 22nd, 2008, 08:26 PM Brilliant stadium. I hope Valencia does well so I can catch them (and this venue) on television. The bat is great, outlining one in the seats is very cool. :cheers: Carrerra June 23rd, 2008, 04:43 AM Brilliant stadium. I hope Valencia does well so I can catch them (and this venue) on television. The bat is great, outlining one in the seats is very cool. :cheers: What picture are you talking about? Indiana Jones June 23rd, 2008, 06:08 AM Previous page, all the seat color possibilities. Something like this if the club chooses to do so. http://www.futuromestalla.com/votar/gradas/murcielago1.jpg Carrerra June 23rd, 2008, 06:24 AM Isn't it roof? theespecialone June 23rd, 2008, 02:17 PM i think the seats will be white just like their shirt SkyLerm June 23rd, 2008, 02:30 PM I'd like orange-black-orange combination. White seats make stadia look ugly Indiana Jones June 23rd, 2008, 08:47 PM I think those are seat colors. White looks good if they can keep it clean. Orange looks great. berkshire royal June 23rd, 2008, 11:22 PM i like orange stand out and it has been proven that it spreads better to so it would make the stands look bigger but hopefully you wont see the seats as the stands will be full. im trying to think of a stadium that has mainly white seats and i cant think of anything can anyone think of one ? canarywondergod June 24th, 2008, 12:57 AM athens olympic stadium for one, all white seats! theespecialone June 24th, 2008, 06:16 AM think valencia can sell all their seats? they've been struggling and they'll probably lose villa and silva berkshire royal June 24th, 2008, 02:22 PM ^^^ well they averaged 40,711 last season which was an increase of 0.8% on the previous season. In Spain teams dont fill up their stadiums every game there are a number of reasons for this but im not quite sure were to start. My guess would be that their attendances would fall a little but nothing major just probably to something between 36-40,000 and that when they move into nou mestalla that attendances will rise to around 55-60,000 but thats a guess from someone who lives in england so dont take that for sure. lpioe June 24th, 2008, 03:24 PM A big reason is also that in Spain the average season ticket holder doesn't attend every game. Season tickets are much cheaper than buying a single ticket in every game. Valencia for example has far more than 40'000 ST-holders and a long waiting list. VLC08 June 25th, 2008, 02:26 AM 45.000 ST-holders, and 15.000 in waiting list lpioe June 25th, 2008, 02:08 PM Considering new stadiums attracts more people (especially if its as spectacular as this one) they could probably sell 70k+ tickets to season ticket holders alone. oirek June 26th, 2008, 01:51 PM 2 possibles combinations of colours. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3145/todonaranjafe7.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8282/negroblanconaranjahh4.jpg Extra GIF: 24-05-08 --> 25-06-08 (thanks to Catadau and Jutose for the pics) http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9822/99961490wv8.gif berkshire royal June 26th, 2008, 02:00 PM ^^ Both of those two colour combinations are great i didn't expect to like a multi coloured stadium. Dunno if any of you see this but with the change in colours and correct me if I’m wrong but the stadium is Allianz Arena right? For me with those two colour combinations instead of the dull boring grey it looks bigger to me. cocteau June 26th, 2008, 02:48 PM From Spanish thread: Updated pictures taken yesterday by JuToSe and Catadau Aqui os dejo nuevas fotos que hicimos ayer catadau y yo de las obras.... http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9449/img3332cl6.jpg http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8923/img3336za1.jpg http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1001/img3337go2.jpg http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/710/img3341sb1.jpg http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1905/img3355cv4.jpg http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1367/img3351mt5.jpg http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/720/img3356co7.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/83/img3340ll1.jpg AlBerTowEr June 26th, 2008, 03:48 PM Hi guys, i think about the attendance, that there are many points to think that with new stadium we will get an acceptable attendance average. I think too, probably this stadium will be bigger than we need for 5/10 years, but cant forget that this is a project for the next 100 years at least. Valencia is growing very fast, and is necessary to think about the future. And now, thers a waiting list about 15.000 people, and with future capacity the club will can do many promotions for example at schools etc.. More and more, last year we'd have a bad season, but new coach has get an extraordinay motivation for players and suporters, so i think we can get about 60.000/65.000 holders for the next two years, wich allows "only" 10.000/15.000 seats to sell each game. Carrerra June 26th, 2008, 05:46 PM Whether or not for you to see a stadum filled with spectators in Spain is not a matter of whether or not for tickets to be sold out but a matter of whether or not for all ST holders to show up in the stadium. EPA001 June 26th, 2008, 06:38 PM @Cocteau: Fantastic update of this magnificant stadium. Architecturally it is the best football stadium (or for our American friends: soccer stadium) in Europe for me, and probably also in the world! There are many very nice and very good other venues around, but sofar this one looks to me to be the best stadium. It will be hard to beat this, though not impossible. It will be even harder to match the speed of the constructing process. Unbelievable! Elensar77 June 26th, 2008, 06:52 PM When will sale planing the new stadium all season ticket? AlBerTowEr June 30th, 2008, 08:04 PM Now they're repositioning the actual holders. I think will wait next summer to begin the sells.. bing222 July 1st, 2008, 10:13 AM Great photos aCidMinD81 July 11th, 2008, 06:37 PM July 10, 2008 http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/7029/img0635jb7.jpg http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8689/img0639pc7.jpg http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/474/img0640vi7.jpg http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8089/img0641ee2.jpg http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2397/img0642kf7.jpg http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9827/img0643sn4.jpg http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6081/img0644hb5.jpg http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9346/img06462jz2.jpg http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7924/img0648hv8.jpg http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4170/panorama13retps1.jpg Link to the not scaled pano (5 Mb) (http://rapidshare.com/files/128909758/Panorama13.JPG.html) Kuvvaci July 12th, 2008, 05:31 AM with this stadium, Valencia will be a bigger club. |