^^

http://estaticos.marca.com/imagenes/2012/01/13/futbol/equipos/valencia/1326459166_extras_mosaico_noticia_1_g_0.jpg

What's the plan for this huge area?

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/11/75654472.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/75654472.jpg/)

That is where Velencia fans will jump to their death after loosing to who ever they play. A bulldozer will then come along and push away the dead fans where they will be ground up for hot dogs and hamburgers for the stadium.


Just kidding. It will be filled in.

in that corner they are planning to build up a hotel

where are the cranes?

they removed the cranes when they stopped the construction

That is where Velencia fans will jump to their death after loosing to who ever they play. A bulldozer will then come along and push away the dead fans where they will be ground up for hot dogs and hamburgers for the stadium.


Just kidding. It will be filled in.

Oh, thank god. I believed you for a minute there..

There is much debate about the current state of the stadium. Some say it has been damaged; others that it is fine. Does anyone know - definitively - whether or not parts will have to be redone when construction begins again? Or will Valencia discover in ten years that it's falling down?

What's the plan for this huge area?

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/11/75654472.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/75654472.jpg/)

The hotel that I told you...

http://www.lasprovincias.es/noticias/201106/23/Media/mestalla--647x320.jpg

This is just ann approx. of the volume, we do not know yet the design of the building.

Qual a previsão de conclusão das obras?
Sou torcedor do Grêmio, espero q nosso ex-atleta Jonas traga muitas alegrias ao Valencia, abraço!

Nice design.

Qual a previsão de conclusão das obras?
Sou torcedor do Grêmio, espero q nosso ex-atleta Jonas traga muitas alegrias ao Valencia, abraço!

Dezembro 2013 - Janeiro 2014.

December 2013 - January 2014.

Gracias! Lindo projeto, realmente fantástico, parabéns.

^^ Anyone try to translate it meanwhile it's world forum?

He is asking when will be the stadium completed... December 2013 - January 2014.

Anyone know the costs with all of the delays etc? Looks like a real pretty stadium.

Looks very nice. For how long has the construction been paused ?

I don't like it. It seems the death star.

Looks very nice. For how long has the construction been paused ?

2 years

Muchas gracias !

2 years paused !!

I don't understand the club. It has the money to buy a few players (with no return on investment guarantee) while it can't finish the stadium even if it looks almost done. IMHO, the ROI is safer with a stadium Vs a player (injuries, adaptation difficulties...)

Muchas gracias !

2 years paused !!

I don't understand the club. It has the money to buy a few players (with no return on investment guarantee) while it can't finish the stadium even if it looks almost done. IMHO, the ROI is safer with a stadium Vs a player (injuries, adaptation difficulties...)

It's just the opposite. The club has sold its best players in recent years: Villa, Silva, Albiol, Mata, etc, and lowered the cost of the team.

Right,

In fact, I just had in mind they wanted to buy Gameiro 10M.

How much do they need to resume the construction ?

Right,

In fact, I just had in mind they wanted to buy Gameiro 10M.

How much do they need to resume the construction ?

€ 162.774.242

!!

I was totally wrong. Since the building seems almost done, I thought it was almost completly paid.

Cheers !

When do they start finishing the stadium?

VCF's president said that the construction will resume before summer... so it will start before the 21st June :)

VCF's president said that the construction will resume before summer... so it will start before the 21st June :)

Did he say what year also, or just before the summer?

before summer 2012 :)

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/PQAAAC5GWf7I4IIV-s47i-TuMLaeE51VzbDN8DVtAkK_Etk7RWmc0Gpbez2pCBJ4azR0gThfoyOjjEOT8-w5xz9RKNMAm1T1UGAjx34AvB1_GZqQOVgvNmzAcK1c.jpg

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/PQAAAFmackAr7IVUZoFT1wq4HauHtoWJpaVMB4xCtzn9hu0SZsuhkScofpNlaOwwkUNMLzM62cU_RdnF4i_eFbYAZkUAm1T1UKouCbkwHtRyJ-xha1E1Y5Fago4d.jpg

http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/RAAAAL6N_EG4TSviVRH2jlCw82vDiyizK-IqIj2iqEkxxMTtq2n2D5awWmyV0ROoFjbrR5DPYt-hxl7PeOesNHlQEjxJGbEr5NedrfBHM7JKBgfHAJtU9VADug4jz0UZRLLG9kSTN66QsTSfYA.jpg

^^^ Good update pics^^^
Hopefully it gets completed.

^^
Last pic is before stoppage of works, see stands still unfinished, so it`s not update pic, with newly mounted cranes.

i still doubt about this project when you know that spanish government has to insure financial markets that they will reduce the expenses etc...
Even in the private economic sphere it 'll affect the demand.

If spain is downgraded again the interest rates will rise and this stadium cost will rise again.

When you know that Liga has a loss of 4 billions € i wonder if some people realize those things.

Sure, but it would be worse to give up definitly this project, considering what is already done (and paid).

If no solution is found, I won't be surprised to see Valencia FC being bought by rich investors...

perhaps!

I think it's a good target for investors if the stadium project goes to the final stone.

A anti barcelaona/real paradigm is possible to built here with financial fair play coming.

I think valencia could see a bright future if they are took over like malaga.

Malaga? Get informed about what is going on there now... ;))

I dont see the relation between the spanish goverment and the construction of this stadium (???)

Great photos and I also agree that it is the fastest construction in modern times.

I find this comment from 2008 a little funny.

I dont see the relation between the spanish goverment and the construction of this stadium (???)

the link?

i don't have time to make a lesson on economic but you have to know that when a government is expected to take major decisions, it affects global demand. The banks which are a major economic actor
will release less credits to domestic agents . The demand is affected because you can't produce the same level of credits when you have less people and firms to meet standards to get them.

Then you have a slowdown (it is the case) of your economy and the relevance of doing certain projetcs is not accurated.

To summarize : spain has another things to do right now than building stadiums ;)

Plus a lot of clubs are in danger with unpaid wages. in 2 years this liga could seriously collapse if the country continues to looks like the future "Giant greece"

And you know that if spain collapse it's all euro zone which is dead this time because Europe gave so much money for greece that it's impossible to make it for spain.

then i would be very cautious about the future of valencia project.

U keep on being cautious about this project... The rest will enjoy the construction in less than 3 months ;)

Man, u get people so bored with ur comments...

U keep on being cautious about this project... The rest will enjoy the construction in less than 3 months ;)

Man, u get people so bored with ur comments...

Axel has demonstrated that he has no understanding of how economies actually work on more than one occasion. I wouldn't take too much notice

I sincerely hope for you in 3 months they will restart

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/19119369.jpg

Is it a picture took today ?

No.

sad story :(

...still too slow for me....

don't worry! works will restart this summer they say ;)

Axel, if you stop posting in this thread, I will send you an invitation for the opening of the stadium :) I understand you like the project very much because you are continuosly visiting this thread so you would love to be present in the Big Opening :D

why to stop posting? We ALL love this project no? :D

I stop if you also pay me the plane ticket :)

How is Rami? He was among us.Lille quality is good no? ;)

Rami is very hot ;)

I can only get tickets... I only pay flight tickets to my friends :)

then i continue to post :lol:

U will miss then the opening of one of the best stadiums in Europe ;)

i hope sincerely for you

With the economic climate in Spain and the fact their banks are up to their eyes in toxic debt, do we really think this will be started up again any time soon?

Sorry just read Axel's posts. Please ignore me.

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/70472856.jpg

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/70472876.jpg

^ nice

it looks like a huge bowl. what is the expected completion date?

S&P has downgraded again spain.

Then i highly doubt banks will afford to finance such type of projects.

Valencia CF felt to reach the final of Europa League, that's too bad, because such trophy can help to bring investors and funds to finish the stadium.

We've heard of 'ghost ships' and 'ghost towns', but now we can add 'ghost stadium' to describe this dead construction site. It is such a surreal sight considering that the stadium is surrounded by a modern, well-populated city in one of the greatest countries in the world. Then again, going by what I've read in this thread, Valencia took a huge gamble with this project and the recession never did anyone any favours either (aside from investment bankers, of course).

I won't be popular for saying this, but I quite like it without the roof shown in the renders. Does anyone know how many more years/ months were needed to finish the stadium when they stopped? Also, are there any proposals to postpone the original plans and just get the bare essentials done so they can open the stadium and put punters in seats ASAP? Or when construction restarts are they just going to finish it as per the initial specification?

This stadium has no future until spain is in crisis.
All financial specialists know that spain is high chances to be the new Greece sorry for our dear spanish friends :| . I love spain but the reality is i read that even some guaranty due to the social position of Royal family member is not enough to get a credit.

I sincerely doubt of this project . I was optimistic due to anacleta comments and others memebers but the downgrading change everything now.

I'm sure that this stadium won't restart this year.

Is there an official date when they restart the works?

It looks like Bankia have huge troubles themself, wonder how this will affect the financing?

i don't stop to say it ... :|

It looks like Bankia have huge troubles themself, wonder how this will affect the financing?

Bankia, fusion of Caja Madrid and Bancaja and some smaller caixas, is the house bank of Valencia... and they need 7.000 to 10 000 million. If there´s no Oilking interested in this club then forget about it in the coming years...
Too bad because it looks very very good.

finally my predictions meet reality

finally my predictions meet reality

Congratualations, I hope you´re happy.
See who´s next, France maybe?

Too bad the Spanish crisis is having such an impact on this project.

Well it is a great shame not to finish this stadium! The only thing that will happen now is that when will read the bottom line will are likely to see some astronomic number! One thing though, if they finish it and by finish it I mean manage to make functional enough to be used - with or without the glorious cladding and all the fancy amenities. Then this stadium could start paying for itself... I don't think people will pack it every second week end but it could start generating a few jobs and a little money... Both things will be needed I believe!

From the club they say this will not affect the agreement VCF-Bankia.

By the way SkaP187, why do u say that Bankia is the house of the Bank of Valencia? that is not true.

the club says?

do you take their words seriously? Here analysts say that the chaos is coming.
The end of euro is believed and you continue to think that valencia cf has their financial destiny in their hands?

@skaP187-> sorry but if france is hit by crisis it is also the fault of greece, Spain,portugal which make rubbish in their economy.

If spain collapse it is the end of euro.
French clubs are ruled by good financial principles. Your clubs cumulate 2 billion € of debts! This is the reason europe goes so bad :bash:

I hope the collapse of economy because people of certain countries will realize that their football economy is irrational when the country has 25% rate of unemployment

French clubs are ruled by good financial principles. Your clubs cumulate 2 billion € of debts! This is the reason europe goes so bad :bash:



Can u demonstrate this, please? :nuts:

you want to compare total debts?

http://www.cotesetmatch.com/2011/06/4-milliard-deuros-voila-la-dette-abyssale-du-football-espagnol/

it mentions a total debt of 4 billion € for division 1 & 2 cumulated :nuts:

http://www.liberation.fr/sports/01012395957-le-football-espagnol-face-a-ses-dettes

Uli hoeness from bayern munich:

" For me, it is the heights, it is unthinkable. We paid millions euro to go out of some shit, and now the Spanish clubs do not pay their debt. It is not really possible "

http://www.sofoot.com/hoeness-critique-la-dette-de-la-liga-154597.html

the amount of taxes non paid by clubs to spanish government is 752 million € :uh:

Even in spain people start to cope with this irrealistic problem.

Can u demonstrate this, please? :nuts:

Other articles for non-French readers:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/economic-ruin-threatens-spanish-football/article2406408/

thanks for the link :)

i retain this sentence:

"We have to adapt to the new reality, that the crisis is affecting everybody in life, including now in football,” Mallorca President Jaume Cladera said.

Can u demonstrate this, please? :nuts:

gabriel marcotti, the football journalist, posted a great article on twitter a while back about debt in football. it was EXTREMELY in depth and was actually a great, if not tough, read. the levels of debt in spain are out of hand.. and they will continue to get worse as real madrid and barcelona continue to pull away from the pack. ill have a look for the article and post it if i manage to come across it again :)

Since a while ago I don't trust the french press when they talk about spanish sports... They seem like they r a bit jelous of their neughbours :)

Of course that there are debts, but less than 1000 millions euros... Nothing lile 2 billions

Since a while ago I don't trust the french press when they talk about spanish sports... They seem like they r a bit jelous of their neughbours :)

Of course that there are debts, but less than 1000 millions euros... Nothing lile 2 billions

The problem isn't the current amount of those debts. The bigger problem is, that this debts don't get lower. Instead of paying their debts, the teams make even more debts!

Since a while ago I don't trust the french press when they talk about spanish sports... They seem like they r a bit jelous of their neughbours :)

Of course that there are debts, but less than 1000 millions euros... Nothing lile 2 billions

are you serious? french papers haven't invented this story.
Ask in spain yourself and you 'll understand the truth.

zaragoza is a lie?

Why don't you want to look at the reality?

Since a while ago I don't trust the french press when they talk about spanish sports... They seem like they r a bit jelous of their neughbours :)

Of course that there are debts, but less than 1000 millions euros... Nothing lile 2 billions

the debts of valencia, barcelona and atletico madrid total nearly 700m on their own. its not a french issue- its common knowledge.

Can u demonstrate this, please? :nuts:

Noooo, why did you get him started for 96,487,547th time?
I'd give so much for visiting this thread and not seing Axel's "I told you so"s and "I don't believe in"s.

the debts of valencia, barcelona and atletico madrid total nearly 700m on their own. its not a french issue- its common knowledge.

That is what I said... Look at my last post.

So are u telling my now that the rest of the clubs increase the debt up to 2 billions of euros as Mr I-already-told-u said? :ohno:

ok here's a link to the website insidespanishfootball.com
http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/spain-to-present-debt-elimination-plan/

and here is the text featured in the link:

Newly appointed Secretary of State, Miguel Cardenal, stated the plan would be officially be presented next Wednesday: “It is not possible to say all the professional teams have outstanding debts with the tax authorities,” Cardenal said at a Europa Press event in Madrid.

“Those that do, for the most part, have their debts sorted out into payment plans with conditions, just like any other Spanish business might do,” he added.

“Over the last few weeks the (government) and the LFP have had meetings and they have reached their conclusion. We hope (the plan) will put a break on the growth of this debt and that it will disappear in a few years. Probably by 2020 this problem will have been effectively resolved.”

Cardenal went on to say that as of last month, clubs owed around an addition €600 million to the social security system. The government is desperate to eliminate the looming tax debts due to tightening fiscal policies from the European Union.

“This wasn’t a negotiation, because there was absolutely no resistance on the part of the LFP and they want to correct the situation as well, the league aren’t happy with this situation because it affects the fairness of the competition and their reputation and image,” he added.

It is Spain’s worst kept secret that many clubs have slipped further into debt as the operating costs, transfer dues, and player wages continue to increase in one of the worst financial crisis to date.

A University of Barcelona account professor recently showed that the 20 clubs in Spain’s Primera Division have seen their combined debts reach €3.53 billion Euros at the end of last season, a €3.43 billion increase from last season. Combined with the €550 million owed by the 22 teams in the second tier, Spanish professional football’s debt as swelled to an astronomical €4 billion.

Even the richest clubs have been effected as both Real Madrid and Barcelona, have debts of €600 million, Atletico Madrid €500 million, and Valencia almost € 400 million.

The good thing about the spanish football debt story is that because Spanish football is so dominant, it is very highly documented... Actually if one uses google, he will find pieces on the topic on asian, australian, american and african news websites and there's no need to go into the sports section! The numbers shown above appear to be pretty accurate that's why I picked this article....

I am really tired of talking about economy in different threads. I am here to follow the construction of the Nou Mestalla, the rest, do what u want ;)

but economic situation is linked to the construction of this project no?

The economic situation of VCF, not of the spanish clubs.

Is there any button to ignore the comments of an user? ;)

The economic situation of VCF, not of the spanish clubs.

Is there any button to ignore the comments of an user? ;)

um.... you're the one who chose to keep arguing! ;)

No worries, I am not gonna reply to him... I will only participate in this thread to update with pictures and infornation but I won't talk about the spanish economy and other football clubs ;)

No worries, I am gonna reply to him... I will only participate in this thread to update with pictures and infornation but I won't talk about the spanish economy and other football clubs ;)

Well I'm looking forward to your pics! I can't wait to see the bowl completed and the amazing clad in place!