The sheer size of the internal bowl is the impressive part; other than that it's a complete dump.

Agree, like I mentioned before, there are far better, more visually interesting stadiums in Spain, there's a better "football" one in Barcelona!

It's a corporate-theme park scam experience, those families walking out he megastore with empty pockets have been had, what a waste of money that tour is!

VISCA EL BARCAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:kiss:

Does anyone have picture of skyboxes and other vip facilities?

I think this is what a few posters a referring to when they the place is a dump
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I'm sure I saw a photo before they did the seat upgrades of weeds growing in the stands.....

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wow just beautiful

Agree, like I mentioned before, there are far better, more visually interesting stadiums in Spain, there's a better "football" one in Barcelona!

It's a corporate-theme park scam experience, those families walking out he megastore with empty pockets have been had, what a waste of money that tour is!

A staduim is a stadium, there is nothing interesting about a stadium. If you pay for a tour of a staduim it's your choice but IMO no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday.

Camp Nou is about as interesting as a parking garage, do you go to visit parking garages to?

¡Esto es el templo verdadero del fútbol y pertenece a los que reinventaron el fútbol!
Viva Barca y Messi!

A staduim is a stadium, there is nothing interesting about a stadium. If you pay for a tour of a staduim it's your choice but IMO no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday.

Camp Nou is about as interesting as a parking garage, do you go to visit parking garages to?

Rubbish!

Why do you think there are many websites devoted to football stadiums? Why do you think there are many books devoted to football stadiums? Some people, including myself, love to view them at any time.

I view stadiums whenever and wherever I get the chance, I love them. :)

A staduim is a stadium, there is nothing interesting about a stadium. If you pay for a tour of a staduim it's your choice but IMO no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday.

Camp Nou is about as interesting as a parking garage, do you go to visit parking garages to?

Don't you think that you are on the wrong forum with the opinion like that?

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Futbol Club Barcelona's world....

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1985: a TAF helicopters AS350 ecureuil fliying inside the stadium


Find other FCB Camp Nou images here:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?ss=2&w=68329213@N00&q=camp+nou&m=text

A staduim is a stadium, there is nothing interesting about a stadium. If you pay for a tour of a staduim it's your choice but IMO no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday.

Camp Nou is about as interesting as a parking garage, do you go to visit parking garages to?

Rubbish, enough said.

^^If there is something interesting about the stadium then make a list of it?

Foster proyect is officialy dead. they are now studying the possibility of expanding the stadium's capacity with 10.000 new seats but there's nothing official yet


so it seems no big renovations for the Camp Nou ahead

http://barcaelections2010.blogspot.com/2010/04/rosell-candidacy-rejects-foster-project.html

http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/futbol/noticias/2521883/10/10/Rosell-tumba-el-proyecto-Norman-Foster-para-el-Camp-Nou-de-Joan-Laporta.html

http://deportes.e-noticies.es/el-barca-estudia-ampliar-el-camp-nou-56719.html

I hope that the capacity will grow to at least 105.000 seats !!!!

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^^If there is something interesting about the stadium then make a list of it?

"He said no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday"

That is just wrong. Even a crappy looking stadium like Cap Nou is worth visiting, for the club museum. People will visit it just be inside the because Barcelona plays there.

People visit stadiums for there architecture, e.g Athen's olympic roof, or Beijing stadium.

Also people visit stadiums sometimes because they have also other stuff inside them, e.g, offices, resturants, museum, shops.

The list goes on.

"He said no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday"

That is just wrong. Even a crappy looking stadium like Cap Nou is worth visiting, for the club museum. People will visit it just be inside the because Barcelona plays there.

People visit stadiums for there architecture, e.g Athen's olympic roof, or Beijing stadium.

Also people visit stadiums sometimes because they have also other stuff inside them, e.g, offices, resturants, museum, shops.

The list goes on.

people also visit stadiums because they want to go into the dressing rooms that players use, walk the tunnels that players walk, stand on the pitch and sit on the bench that the players use. there are so many answers to that question that the fact it was asked blows my mind.

Some people even like to have a look round an empty stadium, just to see the stadiums.

Some people, most fans I'd wager, would find seeing inside any stadium interesting even without the organised tours etc.

Some people wouldn't. It's kind of dumb for someone to try and state something is of no interest when clearly a lot of people do find stadiums interesting. This whole forum is abouts stadiums, after all. That's quite a few people who find stadiums interesting.

It appears the fairly new red seats are already starting to lose their colour. :ohno: Camp Nou really does need a refurb sooner rather than later.

"He said no staduim in the world is worth visiting outside of matchday"

That is just wrong. Even a crappy looking stadium like Cap Nou is worth visiting, for the club museum. People will visit it just be inside the because Barcelona plays there.

People visit stadiums for there architecture, e.g Athen's olympic roof, or Beijing stadium.

Also people visit stadiums sometimes because they have also other stuff inside them, e.g, offices, resturants, museum, shops.

The list goes on.

My post was is response to MarkJF that said the tour was a corporate theme-park scam. Which I disagree with, if you are willing to pay for a tour of what is essentially a parking garage structure, then that is your wasted money, not mine.

But don't come here and tell me that you were surprised that there was nothing more to it than concrete upon concrete, that you can tell from just observing the stadium from the outside.

About the museum, as fas as I remember you can visit the museum without doing the "concrete voyeur tour".

As for the stadium itself, it was built in 1957 with the basic concept of a stadium inside a parking garage, originally and for the first 15 years of its existance, you could buy your seson ticket with a car park right next to your seat included, the two walking bridges to the museum was originally the access ramps for the cars to the second tier. Simillary the ramps on the other side of the stadium were also built as access ramps for cars.

Obviously this was when car ownership in Spain was still relatively low and so the odd few thousand car park spaces inside the stadium was sufficient enough to meet the demand. Later the car parking inside the stadium was abolished but the basic parking garage structure is still there.

As for renovating the stadium, the cost has to be weighted against the benefit, just to give the stadium a more modern appearance would cost the club hundreds of millions of euros. How would the club justify that kind of investment for what is essentially a very expensive makeup?

FC Barcelona is a fan owned club, so if they decide to pay of the investment for the renovation by raising the ticket prices then that has to be approved by the general assembly, the likelihood of that is zero to none. Unlike corporate Arsenal or corporate Manchester United, the clubs own fans (the 170 thousand ones who own the club) decide on the ticket price policy and no Camp Nou renovation in the world is going to make them vote for a heavy increase in the ticket price.

Wasn't the previous renovation (the Norman Foster one) going to be financed by the club selling the Mini Estadi to a property developer? The stadium getting a much needed upgrade doesn't mean it has to be financed by raising the ticket prices.

It appears the fairly new red seats are already starting to lose their colour. :ohno: Camp Nou really does need a refurb sooner rather than later.
Was my first thought after seeing the photos as well. They just finished the world's largest seat-swap operation just over 2 years back (2009, right?) and already parts of the ground seem to need repeating it. A roof might come in handy!

Wasn't the previous renovation (the Norman Foster one) going to be financed by the club selling the Mini Estadi to a property developer? The stadium getting a much needed upgrade doesn't mean it has to be financed by raising the ticket prices.

This is very difficult, the mini stadium sits on land classified as recreational, to redevelope it into commercial property the land has to be reclassified. This is a very complicated thing to do in Barcelona as there are several administrations within the city that has to approve of the reclassification.

There have been several atempts by the club in the 1980s, 1990s and the 2000s to do this and non of them have materialized. Also if the club want to construct say a hotel (proposed by Rosell) on its land, it has to go through several administrations and in the end most likely it won't happend.

The local laws in Barcelona makes it next to impossible to redevelope any land owned by the club into any kind of commercial use, be it parking garage, hotel, residential, office buildings etc.

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someone could say the stadium's capacity by level. As you will see with google translator wrote jaja

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My post was is response to MarkJF that said the tour was a corporate theme-park scam. Which I disagree with, if you are willing to pay for a tour of what is essentially a parking garage structure, then that is your wasted money, not mine.

Scam, rip off, whatever, that's my opinion, expensive entry, expensive pics taken with "virtual" players, extortionate merchandise, threadbare carpets, I could have been in Disneyland. I was not "willing" to pay, but had a son wanting to go, his enjoyment was more important. I advise people to go to the RCD ground instead

I advise people to go to the RCD ground instead

Must be a killer museum full of silverware over there :righton:.

Must be a killer museum full of silverware over there :righton:.

Owned! :lol:

You have got to admit though, it's a wonderful modern stadium and one of the few that you could mentally and visually link a team to. I went to Europa in Gracia last month, I liked their ground more than the Nou Camp too. :)

Going to a ground without a game beeing played is a waste of money, if you are paying, anyway. Did it three times, San Siro, ArenA and Old Trafford. eventhough hospatality was allright in all ocasions, you´re better of going to a museum or pub, then a stadium without a game.

The topic of a new or renovatd Camp Nou has come up again in the last couple of weeks in spanish newspapers. A completely new stadium instead of a renovation seems a possibility now. In one article I read the number of 110'000 for capacity.
Nothing is clear now though, and the club-members will have to approve any decision taken by the board.

In a series of meetings in recent weeks Barcelona president Sandro Rosell is said to have responded positively about the possibility to build a new Camp Nou.

The new stadium would be a able to hold a total of 110,000 fans, and might be built at a site close to the current stadium directly on the Avenida Diagonal. This would likely involve a land swap with the University of Barcelona, that in turn would get the site of the current stadium to build a new campus.

The club however has also still not ruled out a major renovation of the Camp Nou, an approach that has also significant backing in the club. However, the state of the stadium that was built in 1957, and new legal requirements in terms of the quality of concrete, may point in favour of building a complete new stadium.

Construction company MCM has presented the club with a plan on how to finance a new arena. MCM has also been responsible for the construction of a new facade on a building at Barcelona’s youth academy Masia. In this, it used a special led-technology with which it will be able to show commercials on the building, a technology that also might get used for a possible new Camp Nou.

According to sources close to the negotiations plans are still in its infancy though, and at the moment all the club takes are small steps.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/more-details-about-a-new-camp-nou/

That would be great.

Going to a ground without a game beeing played is a waste of money, if you are paying, anyway. Did it three times, San Siro, ArenA and Old Trafford. eventhough hospatality was allright in all ocasions, you´re better of going to a museum or pub, then a stadium without a game.

Have you been to the Nou Camp on a match day and in another one to the museum?
Because I have been and it's totally worth it.

I don't know about Meazza, Arena or Etihad, because I've been to other stadiums that were just some structure sand some seats, like the Olimpico and offer nothing, their not even open to visit cause they have nothing to offer. At Highbury I had to book a visit in time, like it was a big deal to visit myself like in Barcelona...
Still, as we live in a free world, I think it's up to everyone to choose what to do, many seem to choose to spend their dough on this 3rd most visited museum in Spain :).

Going to a ground without a game beeing played is a waste of money, if you are paying, anyway. Did it three times, San Siro, ArenA and Old Trafford. eventhough hospatality was allright in all ocasions, you´re better of going to a museum or pub, then a stadium without a game.

Wonder why there are forums like this then? :nuts: Me, I love looking at stadiums (well, football grounds really), small, big, full, empty, old, new, it doesn't matter to me, as soon as I hit a new town I head for the stadium to have a look!

Is a 110,000 seat stadium really necessary? Barca draws well, but they rarely sellout their current stadium.

Why not build a new 75-80,000 seat stadium that way when they have home fixtures in the Champions League against bigger opponents they will sell the stadium out?

Building a new 110,000 seater stadium? WOW, actually they will have problems to reach the new financial fair play rules :) They have to save money but they wanna build such a stadium?

http://www.totalbarca.com/2011/analysis/fc-barcelona-economic-situation-june-8-2011/

FFP does not include stadium expenditure.

FFP does not include stadium expenditure.

I know but their debts are already really big and those have to be paid too. Their last operating profit was luckily low enough for FFP but the year before it was way too high. I think Barca will not have a problem with the FFP but such a nig new stadium will be extremely expensive and their debt is already huge. But maybe the city would build the stadium or they get an investor for the stadium.

Is a 110,000 seat stadium really necessary? Barca draws well, but they rarely sellout their current stadium.

Why not build a new 75-80,000 seat stadium that way when they have home fixtures in the Champions League against bigger opponents they will sell the stadium out?

Barça has 85'000 season-ticket holders and a waiting list of about 10'000.
If they made an 80'000 seat stadium, they would have to withdraw the season-ticket from about 15'000 of their members. That's surely not the idea when building an new stadum.

If they have 85 k st holders why did they have an average attendance of 79 k last season. Thats 20 k under capacity of current ground. Am i right in thinking though that st are much cheaper in spain than in.england and that people buy them to garuntee tickets to the biggest games? Surely barca are losing money doing this

If they have 85 k st holders why did they have an average attendance of 79 k last season. Thats 20 k under capacity of current ground. Am i right in thinking though that st are much cheaper in spain than in.england and that people buy them to garuntee tickets to the biggest games? Surely barca are losing money doing this

They introduced a scheme where season ticket holders can sell their tickets online if they don't attend the game. It's annoying that some people attend only a fraction of the games while others are on a massive waiting list.

Tickets are much cheaper indeed. They used to include all matches as well.

Is a 110,000 seat stadium really necessary? Barca draws well, but they rarely sellout their current stadium.

Why not build a new 75-80,000 seat stadium that way when they have home fixtures in the Champions League against bigger opponents they will sell the stadium out?

Bullshit. You can't expect to sell out at a game with Granada, but important CL games are sold out, building a new stadium which is smaller would be the greatest stupidity I ever heard in my life especially since we're talking about a club that draws more and more attention and doesn't give no sign that in the future it will lay any lower than it is now.
This stadium is a golden advantage for any fan than comes to Barcelona to visit the city can catch a game if it's played then by simply going and buying the ticket without needing reservations or other stresses, not to mention people that don't know when they catch a break from work they don't expect in time and take a road trip or something and simply want to see a game, these things won't happen on a smaller stadium. It would take me hardly ~5 hours to get from home to Camp Nou having money for plane tickets and if there are close flights around the game I could arrive home the same day :cheers:.

A new stadium is almost as stupid,there is no need for a new stadium when you have the biggest one in Europe, you just need to renovate it and eventually add a handful of seats where you can, without much investment for this. The stadium is great for the spectators, it just misses some modern features because when this club has build it, others were still sucking on their momma's tits and didn't even know what a collosus was or didn't even own a stadium.

[QUOTE=BOSDAN;89608816]Is a 110,000 seat stadium really necessary? Barca draws well, but they rarely sellout their current stadium.

Why not build a new 75-80,000 seat stadium that way when they have home fixtures in the Champions League against bigger opponents they will sell the stadium out?[QUOTE]

Because they think of themselves as a holier than thou club. 110k capacity would be an embarrassment, and against every trend taking place in football. It has no logic other than to say look at us we have a big stadium.

Barca need to downgrade to 70,000-80,000.

[QUOTE=BOSDAN;89608816]Is a 110,000 seat stadium really necessary? Barca draws well, but they rarely sellout their current stadium.

Why not build a new 75-80,000 seat stadium that way when they have home fixtures in the Champions League against bigger opponents they will sell the stadium out?[QUOTE]

Because they think of themselves as a holier than thou club. 110k capacity would be an embarrassment, and against every trend taking place in football. It has no logic other than to say look at us we have a big stadium.

Barca need to downgrade to 70,000-80,000.

Tell the season ticket holders that the ticket they hold for decades will be cancelled. Tell the thousands on the waiting list that a downgrade takes place:nuts::lol:.

Bullshit. You can't expect to sell out at a game with Granada...

manchester united sell out games against blackburn, bolton and wigan so why shouldn't barca sell out games against granada?

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Man U has a stadium 25k less in capacity than Barcelona, and Barcelon'a avg occupation in La Liga is higher than Old Trafford's capacity.

Spain and England have very different pricing models.
In Spain single tickets are very expensive (even more expensive than in England despite the lower wages), but you get a big discount for season-tickets. Usually you only pay about half the price for a season ticket compared to buying single tickets for every match. That's the reason why people who only plan to attend half of the games will still buy a season ticket, and leave their seat empty for half of the games. In Spain there are quite a few teams whose average attendance is lower than the number of season-ticket holders.
In England, as far as I know, season-tickets are often the same price as single tickets for every game, you maybe get a 10% discount but certainly not 50%.

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Man U has a stadium 25k less in capacity than Barcelona, and Barcelon'a avg occupation in La Liga is higher than Old Trafford's capacity.

manchester united could pack out a stadium of 120,000 week in, week out without any problems whatsoever. the fact that the season ticket waiting list is somewhere around 8 years is proof of that. my point was that there seems to be a different culture to attending football games in spain. in england people plan their lives around making sure they attend all the games, no matter how small. if they can't they sell/give the ticket to someone else who needs it. in spain it seems like people pick and choose which games they want to attend and it often leaves attendances below capacity. the top 3 teams in spain (real madrid, barcelona and valencia) rarely have sell-out's and when you watch the games on television the stadiums are always scattered with empty seats. you don't see that in england or germany. so back to the original point, what is the point is barca having a bigger stadium if it is going to just end up having more empty seats?

manchester united could pack out a stadium of 120,000 week in, week out without any problems whatsoever. the fact that the season ticket waiting list is somewhere around 8 years is proof of that. my point was that there seems to be a different culture to attending football games in spain. in england people plan their lives around making sure they attend all the games, no matter how small. if they can't they sell/give the ticket to someone else who needs it. in spain it seems like people pick and choose which games they want to attend and it often leaves attendances below capacity. the top 3 teams in spain (real madrid, barcelona and valencia) rarely have sell-out's and when you watch the games on television the stadiums are always scattered with empty seats. you don't see that in england or germany. so back to the original point, what is the point is barca having a bigger stadium if it is going to just end up having more empty seats?

lpioe already explained a bit of it, season tickets are priced at a model which makes individual games dirt cheap in comparison to buying on an ad-hoc basis, so people purchase them just to get access to a few big games without any desire to go to most. For the club there is some financial sense to this as it guarantees them a large portion of matchday income upfront, which makes borrowing and dealing with banks a lot easier. The club could impose penalties for those who don't turn up alongside offering them a chance to re-sell their ticket. It could also base attendance on tickets sold rather than actually bums in the stands, assuming they don't already.

The other thing is TV and history. Many of the games in England against weak/unattractive opponents are not televised, unless it is April and May, so going to the stadium is your only only chance of the match live, unless you fancy playing around with the net. All Barca's matches are on TV, in fact I'm pretty sure you can watch many on free-to-air TV. In the UK you can watch more Barca and RM league games than Man Utd's (or anyone else) PL fixtures. Re. history, after going all-seater many grounds were clearly too small for demand, whilst only a minority of games were on (pay for) TV. The PL slowing expanded the size of grounds and number of matches on TV so as to control supply, demand and prices. In Spain, as in Italy, they flooded matches on TV in the 1990s and already played in huge arenas. Being member based clubs also meant they couldn't jack up prices even if they wanted to, unlike the corporate ruled clubs in the PL. This also explains why Barca would never go down to 75k in order to charge higher prices and get an average closer to capacity.

Does a new stadium have to be built for FC Barcelona? If so, please specify any reasons.

The other thing is TV and history. Many of the games in England against weak/unattractive opponents are not televised, unless it is April and May, so going to the stadium is your only only chance of the match live, unless you fancy playing around with the net.

That's not true. The vast majority of games of Manchester United are broadcasted live on television as well. Still, people flock to the grounds. The support of English football clubs in general and of Manchester United in particular is simply better. Better in quality and quantity.

Does a new stadium have to be built for FC Barcelona? If so, please specify any reasons.

Spaniards seem to have absolutely no sense of saving money, just spend all you have and don't have. I don't know how this reflects their day to day lives, but I have a suspicion a grand majority of them have the same mentality.
I know Barcelona have not been kissed in the ass by the state by deleting their debts like Real Madrid benefited some 10 years ago or something, but you still have to handle your money correctly, especially when it's all hard worked money after some very good years, it's not like Barcelona would make billion if they wouldn't have these great players from the youth system.
I'm not saying do not spend anything, but spend what is needed, like buying Cesc or renovating the stadium, building a new one is like New York decides to take down the Empire State and build a new one, 50m bigger and with a more 21st century look.

Maybe the Camp Nou maintece costs are too high. Otherwise I don't see any reason to built a new stadium with just more 10 000 sits.

That's not true. The vast majority of games of Manchester United are broadcasted live on television as well. Still, people flock to the grounds. The support of English football clubs in general and of Manchester United in particular is simply better. Better in quality and quantity.

The maximum number of live PL games that can be shown for any individual club is 26, meaning a dozen league games at a minimum are not on live TV, close to a third. Plenty of clubs get under 20. Cup games vary from season to season, although in the CL crowds are often good across the big 4 European leagues as it's a premium competition. Most games are pay-TV as well. No more than around 1/6 of Man Utd's games are likely to be on free-to-air television.

You want to look at how crowds varied hugely from game-to-game before the 1990s, how they were well below those in Italy, for example. You'll see how a change in the model of ticket allocation, reduction in capacities due to moving to all-seater and then slow expansion together with a slow increase in the number of live games on TV relative to other European countries led to the boom in demand for crowds and the culture we have today.

With Sandro in charge, one cannot expect too much!!

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Big
Bulky
Unbalanced and
Boring
I have no problem with big stadiums, but the stands don't have to be so steep and it could have at least a little character.

Why at the UEFA Champions League in recent years attracted refferies FC Barcelona behind the ears?

2009 Chelsea
2010 Internazionale
2011 Arsenal, Real
2012 AC Milan

Why at the UEFA Champions League in recent years attracted refferies FC Barcelona behind the ears?

2009 Chelsea
2010 Internazionale
2011 Arsenal, Real
2012 AC Milan

I hate Barcelona with a passion, but at San Siro they had 2 stonewall penalties denied. It evens out in the end. And actually, those 2 pens today were both correct.

I hate Barcelona with a passion, but at San Siro they had 2 stonewall penalties denied. It evens out in the end. And actually, those 2 pens today were both correct.

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I hate Barcelona with a passion, but at San Siro they had 2 stonewall penalties denied. It evens out in the end. And actually, those 2 pens today were both correct.


Do not say rubbish, please. This is not true at all.

In contrast with you, I love watching Barça's games and I have nothing against Messi and his teammates. But we have to face the facts here: Barça got a little help from the referee. It's undeniable, mate. And after all, they didn't need it.

Ok, we can even argue about the possible penalty on Puyol at the end of the first leg. Concerning the second pen denied, well, I watched the whole game and I have no idea what you're talking about. Don't tell me it's the one on Sanchez, because if so, you would make me laugh badly. Alexis should win an academy awards for that theatrical performance.

In the return leg, AC Milan was robbed from the beginning to the right end. On the much discussed pen on Messi, the referee should have stopped it much before, because the argentinian was on offside position.

The second "penalty" was one of the best jokes so far this year. I don't even need to make a comment on it. I would love to see the referee awards that at full Allianz against Bayern. Oh Lord, I just can't wait to see it. Can you really imagine this scenario?

In the second half, the guy wearing black made another wrong decision dening a chance for AC Milan, which had an open goal opportunity after Robinho's mistake.


Done with off topic. :D

If public money is being spent I spose part of the justifcation could be that El Grand Classico is a large tourist draw so theres potential for alot of money to filter down to the local economy with a few thousand extra seats on offer for it.

Done with off topic. :D

Not yet. :) In all this moaning and groaning, let's not forget that AC got exactly what they deserved for their football, imagination, entertainment and ambition over the 2 legs. Nothing.

http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/match-archive/2011-2012/league/round-35/fc-barcelona_real-madrid

On the official site of Barça there is the new official capacity of Camp Nou.

432 new seats?!

Is there that for next season there will be at least other 224 seats to arrive to 100.000 seats ? I think that it should not be very difficult thing .......

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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/buscate-camp-nou.shtml

^I've never seen anything like that before. Amazing, thanks.

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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/buscate-camp-nou.shtml

Fantastic!

http://experience.sap.com/eurofootball/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Camp_Nou_Barcelona.jpg

O no! another U2 Space Craft has landed!!!!

Pep's goodbye
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3601/pep1.png

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3985/pep2.png
Screenshots from my tv record

Big
Bulky
Unbalanced and
Boring
I have no problem with big stadiums, but the stands don't have to be so steep and it could have at least a little character.

I assume you have never been there. The fact it is so big and so steep makes it incredibly intimidating when you are there. Very impressive place to visit. I agree that it is boring though, especially the interior.

The steeper the better! If you´re afraid of hights, buy your ticket lower. It´s the only way to stay close to the field and like you say it´s impressive.

Big
Bulky
Unbalanced and
Boring
I have no problem with big stadiums, but the stands don't have to be so steep and it could have at least a little character.
I have been there with Bayer Leverkusen in the most upper tier in the corner. I have problem with hights, but this stadium isnt really that steep. Its OK but it sucks in it lower tier.

It is old and crappy and doesnt has that south american style like Calderon or Mestalla (which both will sadly be gone soon).

It doesnt has atmosphere. There is no support area and therefore no chant culture. Just the silly hymn an this messimessimessi support.

The pricing is too high.

The crowd filled with tourists, I dont see any Barcelona atmosphere there, better go to Espanol to get the Barcelona feeling.

The food and beer crap.

The food and beer crap.

What non-alcohol beer is not crap FFS? :ohno:
Or you thought it had alcohol? :lol:

And as away fans you have the worse seats on the stadium anyway up there under the floodlights.

Espanol is crap, went there while on Montjuic and there were many more tourists there cause the stadium was prolly under 10k of Espanyol fans and very close to the center for anybody to get there. They were selling caps and stuff with FC Barcelona outside, I felt pity for them and bought an Espanyol cap for a friend who isn't into football and told him it was a city souvenir :lol:.

I have been there with Bayer Leverkusen in the most upper tier in the corner. I have problem with hights, but this stadium isnt really that steep. Its OK but it sucks in it lower tier.

It is old and crappy and doesnt has that south american style like Calderon or Mestalla (which both will sadly be gone soon).

It doesnt has atmosphere. There is no support area and therefore no chant culture. Just the silly hymn an this messimessimessi support.

The pricing is too high.

The crowd filled with tourists, I dont see any Barcelona atmosphere there, better go to Espanol to get the Barcelona feeling.

The food and beer crap.

I totally agree with all!!! especially the "more tourists than supporters"...

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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/buscate-camp-nou.shtml

WOW!!Amazing app, I’ve never seen anything like that and Camp Nou is a huge stadium.

I totally agree with all!!! especially the "more tourists than supporters"...

Haters gonna hate :lol:.

I have been there with Bayer Leverkusen in the most upper tier in the corner. I have problem with hights, but this stadium isnt really that steep. Its OK but it sucks in it lower tier.

It is old and crappy and doesnt has that south american style like Calderon or Mestalla (which both will sadly be gone soon).

It doesnt has atmosphere. There is no support area and therefore no chant culture. Just the silly hymn an this messimessimessi support.

The pricing is too high.

The crowd filled with tourists, I dont see any Barcelona atmosphere there, better go to Espanol to get the Barcelona feeling.

The food and beer crap.

Did you go this year? Perhaps you are just feeling bitter... 7-1 wasn't it? ;)

And if it rains? :lol: