On a serious note, if there are elevators how will they work??
Perhaps the inner ring has a ferris wheel ? It would be particularly cool (mint ;-) if the cabins were glass, not to mention some effective lighting....

well, lets see...

commencement of piling works for Icon ~ Dec. 2008 and the completion of piling works for Channel towers ~ end of Jan. 2009

Sorry but not going to happen.

Piling for the icon hotel? There should already be a lot of work going on if piling is to start in december. At least some soil tests would have been done if piling is to start any time within the next 5 or 6 months.

Piling completed for channel towers in january 2009? Add a few months there too :)

Redesign and delay... :(

15/10/08
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Redesign and delay... :(

What kind of redesign? Just for the hotel? I hope it will not become a square with a hole instead.

^^

I've heard from one of designers that there wont be major changes for Icon but the rest of development. They may change side wings but not the Icon. Icon = priority.

All other towers closely associated with the podium, retail and plaza area. Now in crisis time Nakheel is seeking more independence for each tower...

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The next payment is due on the Channel towers Dec 08. As a result of the current market conditions there are a load of them appearing on the market now at low or no premiums.

If there is a high number of defaults on the payments, Nakheel may have to reconsider the viability of this development. There are still many apartments to launch and at 3000AED/ft2 I can't see where the buyers will come from now.

Have Nakheel been too greedy with the launch price here?

^^^Sure they have. But they were in a position to do so when they launched the channel towers...Its a matter of wait and see as to what they do now. I cant really see them selling at very low prices here. The location is very good.

3000/Sft is a very good price for this location! It will be one of the most sought after places to live in and expect prices here to touch 5000/Sft in long term.

Beach....luxury.....great views....iconic hotel....what more can one want?!

^^^So Doc you think i can get 5000 one day for my apartment at jbr..see Dubai steves post 507 the building on the left of the pic ?

Don't worry, prices will drop much further. 3000/sft is still too much - by far. I was at Nakheel today and they have tremendous difficulties in getting rid of the appartments which has an impact of the construction progress as well. They are considering to decrease the numbers of appartments... as they do on the waterfront and on the Palm Jebel Ali. So wait, you will get them at a bargain price soon.

^^^So Doc you think i can get 5000 one day for my apartment at jbr..see Dubai steves post 507 the building on the left of the pic ?

Not for JBR, you won't. You will however get more than the others thanks to the wonderful views you will have of the sea as well as The Dubai Promenade :)

Dubai Promenade is an exclusive address and the apartments are extremely high end. For instance, in Downtown Burj Dubai, you can purchase a 1 BR apartment in The Residences for AED 2-3 Million, while a 1 BR apartment in say The Mansion or Burj Park will cost around AED 5-9 Million.

Reason? Quality, location, prestige etc etc. Apply the same analogy to Dubai Promenade vs the rest of the beachfront property. Infact, don't Al Fattan towers demand a considerably higher price than the rest of JBR already? Same reason again....;)

Don't worry, prices will drop much further. 3000/sft is still too much - by far. I was at Nakheel today and they have tremendous difficulties in getting rid of the appartments which has an impact of the construction progress as well. They are considering to decrease the numbers of appartments... as they do on the waterfront and on the Palm Jebel Ali. So wait, you will get them at a bargain price soon.

Not going to happen my friend. Nakheel would rather delay the project than sell cheaper. That parcel of land is GOLD and there is no way that they are going to let the apartments in that precinct go cheap due to short-term problems. If things were to go downhill, they would rather just refund the money to the investors and ask them to come back when they relaunch during a more favorable economic climate.

The only bargains you might see are those on the secondary market with flippers trying to get rid of their stock ;)

^^I have to disagree with you here Docc.

There were questions at the time about the release price for this development as many people on this forum went to the launch with the intention of buying and came away empty handed. This was more down to their knowledge of the prices in the marina.

Al fattan resales are below 3000aed/ft and off plans should be at a discount to market values of completed units. This is the correction we are seeing crystalise now in the market, the prices for OFF PLANS.

I agree you generally expect anywhere else in the World, off plan sales to be around 40% cheaper than complete properties. And given the huge timescales in Dubai to build most projects perhaps this should be more. I think we will see a more realistic off plan market now, not a bad thing really with still good profits of say 40% to be made on completion. Also we should definitely see payments linked to stages of construction as happens in most other countries, now that the froth of speculation has truly been blown off.

docc, forget about the "unique" location and the views, tenants are not living on their balconies... investors and final users consider besides the location mainly the price, and with all the thousands of appartments in the Marina and on the Palm Jumeirah to be completed within 2009 and 2010 - long before Promenade - prices of Promenade have to drop further, no doubt. If they deliver the same lousy quality as they did on the Palm prices should be lowered by minimum 50% :-)

Maybe, but i don't see Nakheel dropping prices. Location always demands a premium but i'd be a happy camper if i were to be proven wrong. I'd LOVE to be able to afford a place here.

Prices to be lowered by 50%? So you think these prime beachfront ultra-luxury apartments should be sold at 1500/Sft? I like you already :)

^^I have to disagree with you here Docc.

There were questions at the time about the release price for this development as many people on this forum went to the launch with the intention of buying and came away empty handed. This was more down to their knowledge of the prices in the marina.

Al fattan resales are below 3000aed/ft and off plans should be at a discount to market values of completed units. This is the correction we are seeing crystalise now in the market, the prices for OFF PLANS.

True, but doesn't it have any bearing that these are extremely high end apartments? These cannot be compared to JBR or most of the Marina since they are positioned as ultra-luxury beachfront apartments. You're right that they should be cheaper since they are off-plan, but somehow i don't see it happening. As i said earlier, i'd be more than happy to purchase these at even 2000/Sft!

Any idea as to who the contractor for these towers are? I had a chat with someone i know at Nakheel and he mentioned that any project that Arabtec is working on is due to complete before the original completion date as they can now allocate more of their resources to ongoing projects due to decreased demand in the off-plan section.

I had a chat with someone i know at Nakheel and he mentioned that any project that Arabtec is working on is due to complete before the original completion date

Somehow I'm having trouble believing this...:lol:

^^I have to disagree with you here Docc.

There were questions at the time about the release price for this development as many people on this forum went to the launch with the intention of buying and came away empty handed. This was more down to their knowledge of the prices in the marina.

Al fattan resales are below 3000aed/ft and off plans should be at a discount to market values of completed units. This is the correction we are seeing crystalise now in the market, the prices for OFF PLANS.

how much is the replacement cost of an real estate asset these days?
this would probably help ppl value properties more properly...at least one method at a time

Ultra-luxury homes is something that is not available in Dubai... maybe from Trident, but for sure not from Nakheel! Don't believe the leaflets, they look always good. And during construction they start saving money as usual.

Somehow I'm having trouble believing this...:lol:

Beleive it!

Arabtec have made lost ground on Infinity and are steaming ahead on Ocean Heights.

Okay, sorry about the Infinity pun, but they are beating the program and gaining every day.

how much is the replacement cost of an real estate asset these days?
this would probably help ppl value properties more properly...at least one method at a time

Construction costs are coming down again and the credit crunch is producing a construction crunch.

Re Docc's point on high end Nakheel, maybe if they build a tower and deliver the quality then everyone will form an orderly queue for the launch of the next ones. Buyers are thin on the ground now and they have plenty of time to decide on what's right for them.

The only buyers left in the market are the ones who want to enjoy the apartments someday or today.

2 Channel Towers instead of 3... Rumours?..

^^^ You never Know. But there will always be space for them to put another tower in the future.

Cancelled.......

Cancelled or delayed 2 years?

^^He/she means……..Post Deleted/removed.

I would not be surprised if it is canceled. Nakheel have too many comitments for the size of their pockets.

I was duly informed that the project was 'shelved' whatever that means. I suspect it means delayed for many years by which time it will be re drawn.

works still going on, didnt cancel just slow, just look the Jumeirah Heights and you can calculate when will be this ready..

Yeah that's because they have no staff to make any decisions on cancellations.......some staff that already left didn't keep their desks tidy! Crazy. Take it from me that project is shelved!

^^ JBR residents will be happy that their views aren't going to get obscured....!

^^ JBR residents will be happy that their views aren't going to get obscured....!

I live in JBR as was quite looking forward to looking at all those nice towers including the iconic hotel. I guess maybe not everyone feels the same!

Personally, i feel the same but a lot of people prefer Palm Views.

^^^ So what happens to those who invested in the channel towers?...Thought that they may been keen in sorting out the "POLO" hotel first! Guess that can't be done without the other towers being sorted out.

I guess they'll either get a refund or be given the option to re-allocate these funds into a different project. All this will only happen once everything becomes official; until then it's all speculation and hearsay really.

8th Dec 08;

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A new flyover road bridge to serve the Dubai Promenade district. Good idea for DP not so much for GH2 or Botanica which will suffer more traffic noise.

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this was a great project, r u sure its canceled, i was gona get nice views of it from my palm island apartment, now i dnt wanna be seeing a dirty construction site every day for the next 10 years.

For sure bloody Nakheel will not complete that project before having sold a big portion of the appartments... and since the Dubai property market is completely finished and since Nakheel is desperately looking for money they might complete half of it, if at all.

13 Oct 2008
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5 Jan 2008
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I Vote On Hold

I was there last week. In fact i walked all along the beach and could not find one worker on this site.

Have a friend at Nakheel, yes, it is "on hold" for an unlimited time, since they have hardly sold anything... and Nakheel is short of money...

Now we have another ugly jobsite in the marina for years!
What a f..k with that bloody Nakheel.

The first prices were too high...:ohno:

Have a friend at Nakheel, yes, it is "on hold" for an unlimited time, since they have hardly sold anything... and Nakheel is short of money...

Now we have another ugly jobsite in the marina for years!
What a f..k with that bloody Nakheel.

Well they thought they would make a bundle on this piece of land after JBR was completed so they left it open for years...the market just ran out of steam and they will start work when the market picks up ...maybe finish this place in another 6/7 years.

Another park for the marina :)

I am going to buy shares in grass seeds.

On Hold looks favourite.

What about soccer 7's pitches or a nice lake, oops we already got one at Botanica site:lol:(Payback for all the torment over Infinity:D)

it's not on hold - there is groundwork going on alongside the Habtoor Grand, as well as work to the escarpment around the new hotel site.

well the mods would have to wait a while before transferring it to the "on hold"section
which would be too bad.... i wonder how they would pay off their bonds if they dont have cash .. .:rant:

it's not on hold - there is groundwork going on alongside the Habtoor Grand, as well as work to the escarpment around the new hotel site.

It's on hold. They dont have the money to go ahead at this time . Its not a small project and will take years to complete.

As far as I know 1 of the 3 planned CHANNEL TOWERS has been sold for 85% so they are proceeding with this. The other 2 are on hold.
I do not know about the other project on Dubai Promenade

imagine having one tower built and waiting a few years for the others to start. This will be a building site for some years.

still workers and security there .

I expect same speed like the Jumeirah Heights, very slow...

What is the road circled in red? And where is it going? Dubai Promenade?

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^^
access road of Dubai Promenade

^^^^ Kinda like Sarah Palin's road to nowhere??? :ohno:

Since Nakheel is almost finished, since there is no demand for another empty towers and since the tourists stay away from this country there is no chance to go on with that funny project.

Make it nice a public beach, that's all.

^^
access road of Dubai Promenade

They carried out a traffic study of Palm Jumeirah and found out the roads could not cope even with the monorail. This gives them an option to link to the crescent on the palm via a causeway.

A similar system is already planned for PJA.

access road of Dubai Promenade

Shukran.

Great project. Great concept.

One of my favourite projects in Dubai.

Still hope will move forward in 2-3 years.. :wtf:

They carried out a traffic study of Palm Jumeirah and found out the roads could not cope even with the monorail. This gives them an option to link to the crescent on the palm via a causeway.

A similar system is already planned for PJA.

Did they even needed a study for that? :lol:

Dubai Parks and Authority will be set up I guess......to fill in all those gaps and make them look better than just empty construction sites.....

INFACT can u guys with your amazing technology do a thing on your pc.

Fill in all the gaps with trees, grass and gardens etc....and see how it looks.

Then we can show it to the councils. Each area is going to have a council. The council will handle the parks etc. Marina Council, Jumeira Council, JBR council, Emirates Hills / JLT council etc.

The following gaps should be filled:

The Promenade that Nakheel was to do
MST site in Marina
The empty sites in Marina
JBR beach walks except the pvt clubs
Downtown / Business Bay
Satwa gaps
etc

^^ nice idea :)

25/February/2009

Dubai Promenade

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I wonder if we will eventually get the big donut hotel here. I hope so.

I wonder if we will eventually get the big donut hotel here. I hope so.

Looks like the owner of this boat likes the design too. :)

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it will be a free parking area for the Boat Show :)

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Is there a plan posted anywhere showing the proposed water taxi stations?

Site during the boat show: a parking lot

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08/March/2009

Dubai Promenade

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Project status

- Jumeirah Heights: Will commence handover of first apartment in 2009

- Jumeirah Park: 70 per cent of the project sold with 900 villas to be handed over by end of 2009

- Jumeirah Village: 2008 handover of first 300 villas has commenced and continued through January. 2,000 villas to be handed over by end-2009

- Jumeirah Islands Mansions: 24 mansions to be handed over mid 2009

- Nakheel will begin handover of 500 berths at Anchor Marina in 2009

- Handover of the first properties in Badrah will be delivered in 2010

- Handover of the first properties in Veneto will be delivered in 2010

- More than 900 homes at Marina Residences, Palm Jumeirah will be handed over this year.

- Handover of the first properties in Al Furjan are on schedule for late 2010

- Homes in the Emirates precinct in International City will be available for occupancy in Q1 2010

- Construction in Lake District is progressing and homes will be available for occupancy starting 2011

- Reclamation on The World islands was complete in January 2008, and some islands have been handed over already and early works have begun

- Trump Tower: Due to the market conditions, Trump Tower has been deferred for 12 months

- Forbidden City: Due to the current conditions, Forbidden City has been deferred for 12 months

- Dubai Promenade: Due to the current market conditions, Dubai Promenade has been deferred for 12 months

- Nakheel Harbour & Tower: Due to current market conditions, Nakheel Harbour & Tower has been deferred for 12 months

- QE2: On Hold

- Palm Jebel Ali: Work is progressing in stages

- Mina Rashid: Work is progressing in stages

- Palm Deira: Work is on hold

Source: Emirates Business 24-7, May 11, 2009

Deferring for 12 months, just a strategy for avoiding refunds when bank account is empty?:dunno:

Deferring for 12 months, just a strategy for avoiding refunds when bank account is empty?:dunno:

Thanks for the tip TB i'll try that one myself :cheers:

("Squeeky bum" time for Rangers eh ?but in driving seat now )

Hello

Any news about the progress of Dubai promenade?

Nops...

Thi site will be good events in the future , like this : :)

08/Januray/2010

Dubai Marina

Sheikh Khalifa,Sheikh Mohammed and Sheikh Hamdan with the Burj Khalifa ( Burj Dubai )

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Any update?

the last one was psted seven hours before your post. To answer your question no there is no construction going on they are using the site for some events as Imre already pointed out.

Any news about Dubai promenade!?:(

Full blown construction work is going to start at 11am tomorrow. Or, it's joined all the others in the "After Hell Freezes Over Club". Take a guess.

Since it seems Nakheel is responsible for this it will be at least 5 years before construction even starts.

I pick 5 years because it will take 8 years for them to fully repay the debts they own. in 5 years the debt will be much lower.

Ha, this will never be built. What for...

It's now an airstrip.

Pity for the investors as Nakheel is technically insolvent and has no way of refunding them. They will not cancel for this reason so will string things out indefinately. Nakheel know that if they try to proceed with construction that most will default in this market.

Not sure many contractors would sign contracts with Nakheel with their current trade history.

admins please mo to never built

:cry: I wanted to see the big shiny donut.

I prefer the skydiving than another hotel.

Nakheel won't cancel this project anyway because they can't afford to refund investors. Suspended for another 5 years minimum would be my guess.

04/February/2011

Dubai Promenade site

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this project was announced in 2007... 4 years ago and nothing has been done here.. I dont think this project falls under the short term project section of Nakheel restructuring plan which means this plot will potentially sit for several more years before anything is done, besides this fact the major players in Dubai have come to the conclusion that building apartment buildings in Dubai for now and the future is a big mistake. Who is going to occupy these buildings with a ridiculous visa entry system... who is going to buy units ? no one, I am confident this plot of land will sit for years to come... property prices are already 60% below their level in 2008 and forcasted to fall another 10% by years end!


Furthermore we do not need another hotel in Dubai, ever 1 km I drive I see a hotel... the funny thing this year is the hotels are so empty that the hotel management for many of the new hotels in Dubai have started turning off all the lights in the entrance and hallways of the front lobby of hotels... I have seen 6 hotels like this already...

Now for the swapping problem it sounds like a great idea its a win win for both Nakheel and investors but the problem is that Nakheel like every other developer in the UAE is sneaky as Fu** which means when they offer swapping option, the price they offer you is not current market pricing, I have contacted Nakheel, UKCIG, Gowealthy, SmithandKen,Emarr,Khuyool Emar etc etc,.. all of their swaff offers are minimim 15% higher to maximum 45% higher than todays market prices... why would I swap if prices are going to fall another 10%... who is going to buy my swapped unit that I paid 800,000 AED for even 801,000 AED when real prices are 300,000 AED now? it makes no sense. Dubai has no regulation for anything, everything is done without thinking.

Their is not one happy investor in Dubai that invested before 2008 or after 2008.. NOT 1, if you say their is you are lying to your selves. And its not about losing money, Other and I could take losing money , the problem is that the government especially RERA rapes you left and right here . No laws just flash

There are a truck load of happy investors who invested pre 2008 and got them handed over by 2008. It is post 2008 that is the problem, it was all downhill from there.

The problem with Nakheel is that everyone thought they were a safe buy taking into consideration that they are effectively a government owned company.

There are a truck load of happy investors who invested pre 2008 and got them handed over by 2008. It is post 2008 that is the problem, it was all downhill from there.

The problem with Nakheel is that everyone thought they were a safe buy taking into consideration that they are effectively a government owned company.


I dont agree, RERA does nothing to help end users either, the owners association system has more loop holes than swiss cheese.

All in All the government system in Dubai responsible for foreign direct investment is garbage

Every day there are people in the UK who pay builders upfront for work that is either never finished or substandard. We have trading standards which are useless to the point that it takes 3 years to put a stop to a rougue contractor. By which time they know what's happening and start up in another name. None ever go to jail. Is this the fault of the UK government or people who give too much trust to people they know little of? Life is full of risks, it is up to us to minimise them. Trust no one, especially governments.

... the funny thing this year is the hotels are so empty that the hotel management for many of the new hotels in Dubai have started turning off all the lights in the entrance and hallways of the front lobby of hotels... I have seen 6 hotels like this already...

Do NAME them and I will check them out!

Do NAME them and I will check them out!

One that is in the Marina is called Lotus hotel Hotel Apartment and SPA, visited them twice to exchange currency for taxi and all their lobby hallway lights were off but they were still working?

^^It's a boutique style hotel witha few apartments, not really a 5 star 300 bed player.

Nakheel won't cancel this project anyway because they can't afford to refund investors.

Nakheel will do as they are told - the skydiving centre is owned by Fazza (that is Shaikh Hamdan Bin Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai, to all you non locals) :lol:

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^^It's a boutique style hotel witha few apartments, not really a 5 star 300 bed player.

A hotel is a hotel, it doesent matter if it has 2000 rooms or 100 rooms, I never mentioned 5 star hotel or any number of "stars", their are more 3 -4 star hotels in Dubai that 5 stars.

One that is in the Marina is called Lotus hotel Hotel Apartment and SPA, visited them twice to exchange currency for taxi and all their lobby hallway lights were off but they were still working?

I've stayed at the Lotus for three weeks recently. Brand new place and lowest price in the marina I could find. Seemed busy enough for their opening season. A few things were still not even operational at the time, which didn't bother me at all, but could explain why lights were off in the lobby. The air condition in my room was harldy working. They use a contract electrician from outside, which had no clue whatsoever how to fix it. Got another room. He might have "fixed" the lights in the lobby as well!!

Front desk staff and room service were very friendly though.

I've spoken to staff in several hotels, and occupation level in all of them was above global average.

04/February/2011

Dubai Promenade site

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Nakheel will do as they are told - the skydiving centre is owned by Fazza (that is Shaikh Hamdan Bin Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai, to all you non locals) :lol:

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It would probably be more financially lucrative to turn it in to some sort of city airport, like London City, allowing flights only to select regional destinations, using the smallest of aircraft, making it tourist friendly and not too much of a problem for residents in the area.

An idea worth thinking about, Nakheel!!!! :cheers:

A hotel is a hotel, it doesent matter if it has 2000 rooms or 100 rooms, I never mentioned 5 star hotel or any number of "stars", their are more 3 -4 star hotels in Dubai that 5 stars.

"A hotel is a hotel", just like a car is a car? You basically get what you pay for. I have stayed in hotels where you are given a key to let yourself in after 11pm and yes the place is in darkness. Obviously when I stayed at the Atlantis or Habtoor Grand the place never sleeps. The Lotus is a hotel where I would not be surprised if I returned at 2am and found a night watchman sitting in a dimly lit foyer.

If anyone can remember Dubai Dreams filmed for BBC in 2005, the opening sequence was shot from a helicopter which comes in off the sea and flies over an hotel on the old open beach. I stayed at that hotel a long time ago and it was in darkness when we arrived at 2am. I think we were checked in by a cleaner:lol: It was only a 3 star hotel and a big dissapointment.

"A hotel is a hotel", just like a car is a car? You basically get what you pay for. I have stayed in hotels where you are given a key to let yourself in after 11pm and yes the place is in darkness. Obviously when I stayed at the Atlantis or Habtoor Grand the place never sleeps. The Lotus is a hotel where I would not be surprised if I returned at 2am and found a night watchman sitting in a dimly lit foyer.

If anyone can remember Dubai Dreams filmed for BBC in 2005, the opening sequence was shot from a helicopter which comes in off the sea and flies over an hotel on the old open beach. I stayed at that hotel a long time ago and it was in darkness when we arrived at 2am. I think we were checked in by a cleaner:lol: It was only a 3 star hotel and a big dissapointment.


I know what your saying lol, Iam usually at the Address hotel or Grosvenor house once I am in Dubai and Ive stayed in 7-10 other hotels in the past 15 years in Dubai so I know everything that their is to know,

I dident want to go off topic but regardless we can all agree that the Dubai Legal system for protecting investors is much much worse than one you would find in major European countries or North America.

Dubai Promenade site

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Did they forget the spaces between the words?

Did they forget the spaces between the words?

Try to see if you can figure this out.... HAIRONMAKEESTER,:nuts:

Project: Dubai Promenade
Developer: Nakheel
Construction Start: 2007
Phase 1 completion: February 2008

Phase 1 consists of the removal of two existing breakwaters and construction of two new breakwaters, construction of an underwater reef and beach reclamation for the development of a new 7-star hotel. In total some 750,000 tons of rock will be placed and 650,000 m3 of sand will be reclaimed.


Project video promo:

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Area being worked on:

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Possible designs:


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Work on site:

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amazing...:applause: I love you Dubai...

Construction end 2011 LOOOOL, if they start today they will be finished in 3 to 5 years

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Ever noticed in these artists impressions how green everything is.

meanwhile the reality is somewhat different.....:lol:

You just picked the wrong end of the marina mate:lol:

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^^The only public manicured lawn still surviving and thriving in the marina:)

I noticed down at Park Island the road is 3 times wider and absolutely no landscaping as you rightly point out.

Note to agents; you have my permission to use these images in any marketing material:okay:

You just picked the wrong end of the marina mate:lol:


nah - I'd rather walk to a 5 star hotel for a beer than sit on the balcony looking at the power station.

Funny how all the 5 Star hotels are clustered away from the power station isn't it - I wonder why? :nuts:

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Maybe the agents would like to use this one also :dunno:

So we don't have any 5 star hotels at the chic end, You don't know your arse from your elbow and it shows:lol:

BTW love it Steve, shows your mentality:okay:

So we don't have any 5 star hotels at the chic end, You don't know your arse from your elbow and it shows:lol:


Well the Sheraton might be considered 5 Star to somebody from Scotland...:nuts:


Oh I forgot - you also have that 'boutique' hotel, the Lotus - do they still turn out the lights at night to save money?

2 in JBR at the fountain roundabout, one next to Waves(just opening looks brill), The hub bar, The yacht club......plenty more drinking options most with great promotions running throughout the week:) All within 10 minutes walk or for 10AED taxi fare Barasti is within reach:)

As it's a minimum 10AED to travel in the marina it's better to be further away from the rowdy noisy areas. It's not rocket science you know:D

I am all with you TB - but then again - I am involved in that area :-). The other end is too dense for me

03/May/2011

Dubai Promenade

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07/November/2011

Dubai Promenade site

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^^ Definitely a dredging operation. Thanks Imre.

Tallest block Towers need a good Sewage LOL

^^ Definitely a dredging operation. Thanks Imre.

Yes, it seems this project going to be ON HOLD for a long, new road and car park almost done for Skydive Dubai .

I am pretty sure this project is cancelled.I did a skydive here 2 weeks ago and was told that Skydive Dubai is permanent and is the baby of the Crown Prince who is a very keen skydiver.The runway is currently being extended right out into the sea and should be quite spectacular when taking off and landing.

Skydive Dubai will have 2 runways, 1 existing and 1 on the new new land reclamation

Any word on a Dubai Duty Free for the marina? :lol:

Skydive Dubai will have 2 runways, 1 existing and 1 on the new new land reclamation

Perhaps they will rename it to JBR International and have scheduled flights around the region. :lol:

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This is just a joke IMO.

The original runway is now being scrapped, another waste of money. Yet investors who have given money to a company in control of the government, can not get their money back.

there will be 2 runways

New skydive airplane

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Old runway

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We are in the process of redefining the skydiving experience. From scratch we have been hard at work in creating the single most incredible dropzone in the world, located in the heart of the amazing city of Dubai, on it's very own peninsula, right at the base of the iconic Palm Jumeirah! The works of gargantuan proportions have been outlined in phases, We are currently in the second phase of the ongoing metamorphose. The final phase will be completed end of 2012 delivering to the world the most anticipated event since the invention of the three ring system!

If they are really going to build another run way it won't be because of increased air traffic, that's for sure. Most likely because of cross wind landings, especially with the tight airspace around marina. Actually could be dangerous when windy, but then I doubt they sky dive on windy days either.

Expect the second runway to be set up in totally different directions. The two runways should be cross shaped from a birds eye view when finished if I'm correct.

I am pretty sure it is only going to be a single runway and the first runway will be scrapped. The direction of the current runway takes advantage of the landmass and onshore winds. However landing aircraft have to turn close to the tallest block to line up on a very short final. The international law says you cannot come within 500ft of any building at any time so the approach is a difficult operation. The new alignment means that aircraft approach can be parallel with Al Sufouh road and maintain 500ft clearance without any difficulty, small turn to align and land.

The problem with this becoming more permanent is the total lack of consultation with the residents of the marina and the hotel operators. Believe me, the previous aircraft made a lot of noise during the climb out and that is not good for hotels with residents looking for peace and quiet. I also have concerns for safety as there is very little space or options for the pilot should he experience an engine failure. Ditching at sea is a very tricky operation that you can not practice and is very often fatal.

The problem with this becoming more permanent is the total lack of consultation with the residents of the marina and the hotel operators. Believe me, the previous aircraft made a lot of noise during the climb out and that is not good for hotels with residents looking for peace and quiet.

From the skydive Dubai website:

This new season welcomes a slick new addition to our fleet of jump ships, both SD444 and 333 are now boasting powerful PT6 (dash) 34 turbines and 4 bladed props giving them a much faster climb rate and making them at the same time much quieter... Be ready for significantly faster rides to altitude & less time between loads adding to a much better day for any skydiver!

Don't know what difference turbo props will make over conventional piston engines. The aircraft is almost certainly a Twin Otter, the same type of aircraft operated by Logan Air to ferry people to the highlands and islands of Scotland, so it is a plane I am familiar with. The props are noisey on take off as they grip and chop their way through the air. The steeper the angle of attack, the noisier the props are.

Faster climb rate = faster cycle times = more aircraft activity and disturbance.

Went onto youtube to see if I could find anything with a twin otter taking off so we could hear how quiet they are.

This take off goes badly wrong possibly due to the plane being heavily loaded with only a short take off run. Wind probably from the side gives windward wing lift, while the other wing (leaward) does not have enough air to generate lift and the plane rolls over trailing the other wing along the ground. Not a thing the pilot can do!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DEb0M6wt4

You can see now why, as a qualified pilot myself, I have concerns about STOL aircraft operating on short airstrips in such a densely populated area and near busy beaches.

Notice also how the pilot needs to apply the brakes, and give the engine full throttle before take off. That's also the only way to reach enough speed for V2 on a short runway like we have at Marina. Now how quite can that really be ???

We can easily find out what the noise pollution is on this aircraft.

The positive side to this is the Otter can easily have floats added/installed so in reality it doesn't need a runway.

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So no chance they will build the bridge to the crescent or they are doing both the bridge and the runway?

No bridge to the cresent in the near future.
Confirmed there will be 2 runways. The existing one will remain, and the new one in the location shown above! The landing zone (and pool) will remain. 2 new wind tunnels, and lots more to come. Skydive Dubai is here to stay, it will only get better and is a great attraction for Dubai.
The skydive championship starts in just over 2 weeks, its gonna be a good one.

So is it now time to move Dubai Promenade to the "never built" section?

For now yes, but it can't be ruled out, it could go ahead someday.

So is it now time to move Dubai Promenade to the "never built" section?

Yes, NEVER BUILT!

This is the end of this one,old board just gone, fence removing just begun , it seems they will fill up the holes as well!

11/November/2011

Dubai Promenade site

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admins please move to never built

admins please move to never built

or

change the name to "marina airport and skdive dubai"?

or

change the name to "marina airport and skdive dubai"?

doesn't really fall under buildings

Now, let's not get carried away, it isn't exactly an airport, more an airfield or an airdrome.

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Nestled along the sandy coast of Dubai, UAE, the impressive Marina + Beach Towers will be a mixed used development that will feature restaurants, retail shops, and residential spaces.

If nothing else, the Middle East is known for its ambitious architecture. Home to palm tree shaped islands, the world’s tallest building, and a long list of others, the Middle East has not been left wanting when it comes to buildings that inspire, awe, and amaze. And as the world’s thirst for oil continues and the regions reserves dwindle, many countries in the Middle East have turned to tourism and other forms of commerce to prepare and supplement their coffers.

One such architectural addition, the Marina + Beach Towers comes by way of Miami-based firm Oppenheimer Achitecture + Design and is slated to serve as a mixed use development. Set along the sand riddled coast of Dubai, United Arab Emirates, the Marina + Beach Towers features two large structural forms jetting from the sand and gently arcing upwards towards the sky. Between the spaces visitors are treated to a lush oasis and can continue towards the planned promenade that will host a bazaar as well as retail and dining locations.

The Marina + Beach Towers will also house residential units within the facades and can be accessed via pedestrian bridges within the vertical chasm that connects both the interior and exterior of each building. The twin structure will also attempt to isolate natural sources of energy and provide a level of self sustaining power through wind arrays, solar paneling, and a reusable water system for resource conservation.

^^This looks pretty cool! Wonder if it's something Nakheel is seriously considering? :dunno:

^^This looks pretty cool! Wonder if it's something Nakheel is seriously considering? :dunno:

another scam is more like it.

^^Almost! It looks like it is just an Architects concept design. The type of thing they put together to try and generate work. Nakheel have been know to contact firms recently and asking them to look at ideas for sites. It doesn't mean it will happen.

The thing that sickens me slightly is that this is the type of thing that was flying around Dubai in 2004-5. As an engineer I knew they would never be built as it is plainly obvious to anyone with the ability to visually analys a frame, that they are not stable. The picture above is not structurally viable for many reasons, so it will never be built in that form. Anyone remember the Ipod building (business bay I believe) which they changed the name due to copyright. When they got the structural engineers on board, they found out that it was impossible to build. The developer then dissapeared with everyones money.

Now that I have explained that it is structurally unviable, take another look at the base size and offset (load ecentricity of the building weight on the foundations). Where the load is going to go and what the structure will want to do. Can it really be supported by that silly little link bridge between the 2 structures? Some architects should be shot!

Even I can tell that the proposal is structurally un-build-able :D


PS: I AM an Engineer graduate, just not a construction one

^^As an engineer you will deal in reality and not the fantasy that architects deal with :)

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Maybe a peer, like the ones in various English coastal towns, with amusement arcade and stations for fishing.
:)

Maybe a peer, like the ones in various English coastal towns, with amusement arcade and stations for fishing.
:)

^^No, it will be an extension to the Dubai Sky Dive air field. There's more aerial entertainment to come for those who like this kind of thing.
The speed of this extension just shows, how fast things are being done, when the ruler's family is involved. Al Habtoor Grand will have no real ocean beach anymore, it'll be like a lake, just as it is in front of the Royal Mirage.

...Al Habtoor Grand will have no real ocean beach anymore, it'll be like a lake, just as it is in front of the Royal Mirage.


that "lake" will attract water ski boats and jetski (if still around by then) because of the breakwater.

^^No, it will be an extension to the Dubai Sky Dive air field. There's more aerial entertainment to come for those who like this kind of thing.
The speed of this extension just shows, how fast things are being done, when the ruler's family is involved. Al Habtoor Grand will have no real ocean beach anymore, it'll be like a lake, just as it is in front of the Royal Mirage.

^^ evidence of your claim? :dunno:

I wonder what effect it will have on coastal errosion along the beach. The beach in front of Sheraton has been badly affected by coastal errosion over the years and this may make it worse.

^^As an engineer you will deal in reality and not the fantasy that architects deal with :)

Without architects buildings would look like soviet union commie blocks if engineers were left to fully design them. Fantasy is necessary to contribute to inspiration found within architecture.

^^ evidence of your claim? :dunno:
It is not just my "claim", this has been discussed on this forum for 3 months now.

It is not just my "claim", this has been discussed on this forum for 3 months now.

Ok.... but why would they need piles to extend the airstrip?

Ok.... but why would they need piles to extend the airstrip?

Try landing a plane on sand and you'll know.

Ok.... but why would they need piles to extend the airstrip?

They are not piling, they are vibro compacting the sand with vibro flots that look like piling hammers. Same system was used on the palm islands prior to construction works taking place.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6642482541_d1014c5c6a_b.jpg
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Looks like a hand gun.:lol:

They are not piling, they are vibro compacting the sand with vibro flots that look like piling hammers. Same system was used on the palm islands prior to construction works taking place.

Thanks for sharing :)

So are they planning a third runway? Seems like a waste of prime land!

^^my understanding is they are replacing the current one runway. it really is a bit short for their twin engine, which is a safety issue during takeoff.

the underlying plan is to build the biggest and best dropzone in the world.

The current runway is right on the limit for take off and landing with no margin for error or engine failure. Far too short even for a novice pilot to practise circuits.

That overhead shot above is excellent as it gives me lots more information. The new runway is on the exact same bearing, so it is not an alternate runway. The original runway will certainly be removed. Also, we can see that extending the original runway would have involved altering the horse shoe shaped foreshore revetment. That fact that they have not disturbed the revetment tells me that they still have longterm plans for this area and work could conceivably go ahead on the Doughnut Hotel while the Skydive business continues to trade.

who is paying for all this reclaimation, surely skydubai dont have the finances after all its only a parachute centre and this must be costing a fortune.

who is paying for all this reclaimation, surely skydubai dont have the finances after all its only a parachute centre and this must be costing a fortune.

I think fazza.:)

who is paying for all this reclaimation, surely skydubai dont have the finances after all its only a parachute centre and this must be costing a fortune.

Nakheel investors already paid for it :lol:

Not funny Imre :(

Nakheel investors everywhere have been screwed over badly. Everyone used to advise sticking with the government backed developers and you would not lose your money. Tell that to anyone who bought a water home or Dubai Promenade apartment at 3000AED/ft. Investors in Dubai Promenade should be receiving rent money from Fazza for the use of the site they have invested in.

I think this is just a hobby for them , not a good business and the balance is probably minus of million dollars..

The current runway is right on the limit for take off and landing with no margin for error or engine failure. Far too short even for a novice pilot to practise circuits.

That overhead shot above is excellent as it gives me lots more information. The new runway is on the exact same bearing, so it is not an alternate runway. The original runway will certainly be removed. Also, we can see that extending the original runway would have involved altering the horse shoe shaped foreshore revetment. That fact that they have not disturbed the revetment tells me that they still have longterm plans for this area and work could conceivably go ahead on the Doughnut Hotel while the Skydive business continues to trade.

Wheel-shaped hotel, here we come! :banana: :D

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HH Sheikh Hamdan is the Pilot :)

The passenger is Chris Colwell who was paralysed in a tragic skydiving accident when he was a sky diving instructor. I think he works with Sheikh Hamdan now as a consultant.

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A youtube screen grab from early 2011. Did not realise how massive this penninsula was! DEFINITELY room for a runway AND the donut hotel. Bring it on! :D

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21/January/2012

Skydive Dubai extension

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shall we change the title of this thread to skydive?

30/January/2012

Skydive Dubai site

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21/January/2012

Skydive Dubai extension

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The pillars are very big. Maybe they will build the runaway as a bridge above the water and then remove the fill, so the water will still circulate underneath it.

There is no chance a runway can be there by looking at those pilars. Second of all they don't need another runway, there's next to no traffic to justify an addition runway, doesn't make sense. The land extension is also paralel with the existing runway which means it won't obstruct aircraft movements.

Some sort of building for sure, who knows maybe a skydive hotel in the pipelines ?

Additional question to the people who have a view. Do they leave the Twin Otters there over night, or do they leave to another airport/airfield after business, and fly in the next morning for business ? Maybe it could be a hanger, maintenance, fuel storage, training center, etc, etc, especially if they have more than one aircraft now, and DXB airspace is getting congested, and too valuable for this type of aircraft movement. If I'm correct, and this is the case, then the skydive club could be totally independant from out side logistics, and it would make sense then.

^^as said before, it will be a new longer runway for sure.

no night trafic expected.

Those pillars are definitelly not for a building. They are too thick and too far away from each-other. The current runway is a amakeshift one anyway, and build on Nakheel's land. Yeah, I know is Fazza, but still...

It is an offshore structure designed to look like an aircraft carrier.


I'm only kidding, but wouldn't that look cool? Might keep the Iranians at bay also:lol:

Talking about runways on bridges, look what they did in Madeira Airport, Portugal.

http://www.google.ca/search?pq=scary+airports+portugal&hl=en&cp=25&gs_id=s&xhr=t&q=madeira+airport+portugal&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=996&bih=492&wrapid=tljp1328088516827016&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=zgUpT5bTKsPZtAbqoOxz

Funny to see it referred to as Portugal. A bit like saying Falklands Airport, UK :lol:

Here's a good pic;

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^^as said before, it will be a new longer runway for sure.

no night trafic expected.

Hi PT, I was refering to the aircraft being parked there over night, or do they fly them out to another airport at the end of the day ?

I didn't mean night flights.

Maybe a bigger runway for a DC-3 in the future, the standard tourist attraction for skydivers ? Now that would be cool.

^^^^ Maybe it's a new causeway to the resort Island Fazza/Zabeel Investments had planned for the other signature island?? It was called Dubawi, if I remember correctly?

^^ Nope, it goes on the opposite direction.

^^ Nope, it goes on the opposite direction.

Hmmmm..... maybe it's just piles to support the extended land reclaimation and raise the whole penninsula a bit?

On a side note, these fly-overs seems to end nowhere.... where are they meant to go?
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Hi PT, I was refering to the aircraft being parked there over night, or do they fly them out to another airport at the end of the day ?

I didn't mean night flights.



ah, ok. have never checked to be honest but i would assume aircraft stay over night.

DC-3 would be cool. but then i'm not sure how much more noise would come with it. well, got a plane myself and don't mind propeller sound.

Hmmmm..... maybe it's just piles to support the extended land reclaimation and raise the whole penninsula a bit?

No, piles don't support reclaimed land ... but they do support bridges-like structures build on top of them.


On a side note, these fly-overs seems to end nowhere.... where are they meant to go?
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They are (were) meant to provide access to the project, this thread is about ;)

They are (were) meant to provide access to the project, this thread is about ;)

Or on to Dubawi as well someday ;)

:?:

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maybe its Dubai Pier...:dunno:

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^^ Good idea! That would be nice :)

09-feb

sorry for the shitty quality, only quick snaps, have not paid attention to camera setting (at least with the first grainy image you will be able to make out a Loch Ness monster in the water somewhere).

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